73: Clear the Cortex Decks


00:00:00   Evernote changed their icon and plunged me into two weeks of dissatisfactionally rearranging

00:00:07   my home screen icons.

00:00:09   They went from green and white to white and green, right?

00:00:12   They like inverted it or something?

00:00:14   Yeah, they went for this popular aesthetic that I think is garbage.

00:00:17   Okay.

00:00:18   Which is the white icon with the color thing in the center.

00:00:20   I think that looks terrible, but that's what they went for.

00:00:24   Thanks Evernote.

00:00:25   Let me ask you a question, right?

00:00:26   Because I had this in my notes for a different reason, actually.

00:00:29   Do you know that they changed the icon? The actual icon is different?

00:00:33   What do you mean the elephant is different?

00:00:35   The elephant is new, apparently.

00:00:37   Is it? I didn't notice.

00:00:39   It's a new elephant. It is ever so slightly more rounded. There was this big article in

00:00:44   Fast Company about Evernote's new branding, and it brought to me two things that frustrates

00:00:52   me about large Silicon Valley companies.

00:00:55   Point number one is why did they think that anybody cares about their branding?

00:01:01   Like Evernote had an app update, right?

00:01:05   In which the notes were saying like, "Oh, have you noticed anything different?"

00:01:08   Like their whole release notes for their app update was focused around the fact that they

00:01:11   have a new icon with some new coloring inside of the application.

00:01:15   Like I don't think there was any new specific features that came along with this rebranding,

00:01:20   which is meant to have changed their focus.

00:01:23   They wanna reflect on their past

00:01:25   and go forward focusing on the fact

00:01:28   of remembering everything and they change their icon.

00:01:31   - Great, and what I want is markdown support and notes.

00:01:33   - So this is it.

00:01:34   Any big company that is really proud of their new app icon

00:01:39   can't talk about it if they're gonna upset their customers

00:01:43   because they don't have the features that they want.

00:01:46   These things, you do them because you're proud of it.

00:01:49   I understand that, but you need to be aware of the fact

00:01:52   that you're just gonna annoy everyone.

00:01:54   Everyone's just gonna be really annoyed at you.

00:01:57   But the second thing, the thing that annoys me most,

00:01:59   I want you to open this article,

00:02:01   and you scroll down to about halfway through the page.

00:02:03   - Okay.

00:02:04   - And you'll see this picture, it's a photo,

00:02:09   of a lot of pieces of paper stuck to a wall.

00:02:12   - Okay.

00:02:13   - And it's showing all of the different design routes

00:02:16   that this company called Design Studio went through when tasked with recreating...

00:02:21   Jesus, this is a long article. Where the hell is this? Oh, okay, man.

00:02:25   It's very long. It's, yeah, it's very long.

00:02:27   Who wants 10,000 words on Evernote's branding? Jesus.

00:02:32   So if you look at this picture, you'll see, like, this company went through a lot,

00:02:36   a lot of revisions, right? But, like, nothing really changed.

00:02:41   They got a new typeface, slightly different serif typeface, right?

00:02:46   the word mark and the logo is the same elephant just slightly rounded but if you take a look at

00:02:51   the wall you can see they they tried a lot of different things right yeah and this reminds me

00:02:59   of google remember when google redesigned their logo and like google's looks more different

00:03:05   but i remember there were these big articles and these big like photos showing like the design

00:03:12   agency that they employed to look at it, had a bunch of like really drastic changes, but

00:03:18   the company ends up just going with something relatively simple. And it's like, I just

00:03:23   wonder how much money was spent on this.

00:03:26   I mean, all I can think of, this is literally a joke in the Silicon Valley show about, they

00:03:32   spend all of this money to go through all of these different designs and they end up

00:03:35   with just a logo that's a lowercase p like every other company.

00:03:40   Because if you look at this picture, there are some interesting roots here that you can

00:03:46   see.

00:03:47   Right at the very top there's a green line drawing of the logo that I really like.

00:03:56   And I just find this stuff so funny.

00:03:59   So you're really proud of your minuscule change to your branding, then have a fast company

00:04:06   come in and write this huge piece about it.

00:04:09   It's just like, I don't know who this is in service of, and I just find it really strange.

00:04:14   It is really strange. This is extra funny for me because had I known that Fast Company

00:04:22   would give this kind of promotion for subtly changing your logo, I would have gotten in

00:04:28   touch when I changed my logo earlier this year.

00:04:31   Yeah, yeah. I remember the real harsh change that you made. You made an ever-nodesque change

00:04:38   to the CGP Grey logo.

00:04:40   - Oh, it was 100% an Evernote-esque change.

00:04:44   And I published it nowhere.

00:04:46   I commented on it nowhere because my feeling was

00:04:50   nobody is going to care except for me

00:04:54   and the few other people that were bothered

00:04:57   by some very minor design problems in the first logo.

00:05:02   - Because here's the thing,

00:05:02   I assume all of our listeners are saying now,

00:05:04   wait, what logo changed?

00:05:07   - Exactly, right.

00:05:08   Because you would never know, in the same way that,

00:05:10   had Evernote not changed the colors

00:05:13   and had just changed the picture of the elephant,

00:05:15   I don't think I would have ever noticed.

00:05:16   - Or if they never would have had this article go out,

00:05:18   everybody would have just thought that their new branding

00:05:21   was they inverted the colors.

00:05:22   You'd never know that there was a new logo on Workmark.

00:05:25   - Where's my article, Fast Company?

00:05:28   - Exactly.

00:05:28   - It's so, I agree with you completely.

00:05:32   It would never have occurred to me,

00:05:34   I feel like I would have sounded like

00:05:36   some kind of huge a**hole if I wrote a big article on my blog about how I'm changing

00:05:41   my logo.

00:05:42   What you did is you just softened stuff up a little bit and changed some ways that it's

00:05:47   represented. It's still the little beaker and the gear, right? Like nothing really changed,

00:05:52   but it got refined.

00:05:53   There were some very, very slight asymmetries in the original logo that if you blew it up

00:05:59   to a thousand percent its size would become obvious, right? And so that's basically

00:06:04   what it was, like, okay, let's get these things changed and smoothed up. That's all it was.

00:06:09   I mean, it looks very different to me, but when I showed my wife the new logo next to the old one,

00:06:17   her first response was, "What's the difference? What are you showing me?"

00:06:18   Yeah, it's like Evan, though, right? Like, it's the same. You showed it to me, and at first I was like,

00:06:22   "Mmm." It's exactly the same!

00:06:27   This is the thing, right? Like, in my company, we really care about these things. Like, we really

00:06:34   care about visual design and trying to make things look really nice. I don't have a problem

00:06:39   with that. I think what I have a problem with is these really really large companies thinking

00:06:45   that people are going to care in a positive way. I think people care but they care negatively.

00:06:53   I don't think people get a good feeling from this because you see this thing that you probably

00:07:01   have some problems with because it's been around for so long now that Evernote's users,

00:07:05   I reckon they have a large percentage of their user base are in node with the product, like

00:07:09   you, right? And then you see like, is this what they're spending their time and money

00:07:14   on?

00:07:15   Yeah. Even if this is just a Skunk Works project, right, that that involved essentially 0.001%

00:07:23   of the company's time, it's not 0.01% of the article, like the article is the whole

00:07:29   the whole thing.

00:07:30   And I was aware of their description in the release notes

00:07:34   for when the new app came out.

00:07:35   - Notice anything different about us?

00:07:37   We've updated our look to reflect our renewed purpose,

00:07:40   helping you focus on what matters most.

00:07:42   But they didn't have any features that went along with this.

00:07:45   - Yeah, and again, as someone who,

00:07:47   as I'm sure we all remember,

00:07:49   uses Evernote so intensely that he ran up against

00:07:52   the fundamental engineering limits of the app,

00:07:54   is like, I open it up, like, this is no different.

00:07:56   Oh, there's a bit more white space.

00:07:58   Well, they changed the colors, and with that, the original version, they introduced a feature

00:08:03   that collected notes that people share with you, but that's not really got anything to

00:08:08   do with their new overarching vision.

00:08:11   It just seems so strange to me.

00:08:12   I would totally understand making a big song and dance out of this if they'd also made

00:08:17   some huge changes to the service, but they haven't.

00:08:21   This is a company disease.

00:08:22   It's like the time Dropbox changed their logo recently and they wanted to write a whole

00:08:25   big article about the Dropbox logo change, which read like a crazy person had written

00:08:31   it. It was so bizarre.

00:08:32   I have no problem with people taking pride in their branding and like spending time and

00:08:37   money on making it better, but don't assume anybody else cares.

00:08:41   Yeah, and especially for relatively minor changes. Like even the new Dropbox logo is

00:08:47   basically the same thing. The Evernote one is comically the same thing. I will give one

00:08:51   One more example, which to me is the worst way to do this.

00:08:55   So if you are the CEO of a Silicon Valley company, listen close.

00:09:01   Listen close to the tale of caution that was Yahoo's design rollout.

00:09:08   I don't know if you remember this mic, but perhaps this is before your time on the internet.

00:09:14   Yahoo decided to change their logo away from the,

00:09:19   oh boy, it wasn't the 90s internet super embarrassing

00:09:23   to a modern logo.

00:09:24   They did what I thought was the dumbest thing in the world,

00:09:27   which is they talked about this big logo competition.

00:09:30   And then for a week,

00:09:32   they kept showing on the Yahoo homepage,

00:09:37   the logos they weren't going to use

00:09:41   until the grand unveiling on the final day of the week

00:09:45   of the real new logo.

00:09:47   - So over the course of a week,

00:09:49   everyone got to pick their new favorite logo

00:09:51   and it has none of them.

00:09:53   - Yeah, yeah.

00:09:54   But it's also like, hey, you're just opening yourself up

00:09:57   to what exactly happened.

00:09:59   What are the chances that everyone's going to agree

00:10:03   the one on Friday is better

00:10:04   than all the ones they've seen before?

00:10:05   Like, I've never seen a more guaranteed

00:10:09   to set yourself up for failure move from a company.

00:10:13   And it's like, "Oh, I really like the Tuesday logo."

00:10:15   Well, now the Friday logo has to be better than that.

00:10:19   And it can't possibly be because,

00:10:21   "Oh, I've gotten used to the Tuesday logo all day."

00:10:23   And then they change to the Wednesday logo

00:10:24   and go, "Oh, I don't like this at all."

00:10:26   And then by the time Friday rolls around,

00:10:28   I've already idealized in my head

00:10:31   how great that Tuesday logo was.

00:10:33   I don't know who was in charge of that campaign.

00:10:36   That is maybe one of just the most boneheaded

00:10:39   marketing decisions I've ever seen.

00:10:41   Like it was terrible.

00:10:43   - And so what we're trying to say is we're pleased

00:10:46   to announce the Cortex logo redesign contest.

00:10:49   It's what we've been building to this entire time.

00:10:52   So we're really excited to see what people put in the Reddit

00:10:55   for their re-imagining of the Cortex logo.

00:10:58   - Yeah, we're gonna pick a winner at the end of the year,

00:11:01   but every episode between now and then

00:11:03   is going to have some other logo on it, right?

00:11:05   (laughing)

00:11:08   How could this go wrong?

00:11:09   - It sounds like only a winning idea.

00:11:11   (laughing)

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00:12:57   I would like you to sum up the USB-C feedback that we've been receiving.

00:13:02   No, no.

00:13:03   My favorite was the amount of times we kept getting told about the fact that USB-C and

00:13:11   Thunderbolt 3 were different, even though we 100% addressed that on the show. But only is there a

00:13:16   symptom of the fact of how confusing it is that even though we spoke about it, people still

00:13:21   thought that we didn't speak about it, because it is a minefield.

00:13:25   - Yeah, I just, Myke is looking at some notes

00:13:29   that Past Gray wrote in the show notes.

00:13:33   A gray of two weeks ago that I don't even want

00:13:36   to think about because I don't want to get

00:13:41   into this minefield, but let me just try to summarize

00:13:44   and say that very helpful listeners in the comments

00:13:49   brought to my attention what turned out to be

00:13:53   one of the fundamental problems with my setup.

00:13:56   And it is that the Blackmagic eGPU

00:14:01   did not come with a 0.5 meter USB-C/Thunderbolt 3

00:14:06   fully powered cable.

00:14:08   - To screw you.

00:14:09   - Right, to screw me out of spite

00:14:12   or as could be understood, mere cheapness.

00:14:16   We could put in a one meter one,

00:14:18   but instead we're going to put in a half meter one.

00:14:21   No, the reason they did it is because to get the speeds required to use something like an eGPU

00:14:29   and an external monitor also plugged into that eGPU, the Thunderbolt 3 spec

00:14:36   only supports full speed at half meter or less long cables.

00:14:41   - Yep.

00:14:41   - Is it- am I right in thinking that it's that or you have to buy an incredibly expensive cable?

00:14:50   Is that right?

00:14:51   -Here's the thing.

00:14:52   If you are Pixar Studios or someone else like that,

00:14:57   you can get these crazy optical Thunderbolt cables.

00:15:02   -Okay. Why can't you get them?

00:15:04   -They are not priced in the realm of mortals.

00:15:07   -Oh.

00:15:08   -When you find a website that does not list the price

00:15:11   of the thing that you would like to purchase --

00:15:13   spoiler alert -- it's gonna be a pain in the ass,

00:15:16   and it's gonna be expensive to get.

00:15:17   -Whoa!

00:15:19   Wow! 10 meter Corning optical Thunderbolt cable on Amazon.

00:15:24   307 pounds for a 10 meter cable?

00:15:30   My word!

00:15:33   Yeah, it's madness.

00:15:35   Oh, they're very expensive.

00:15:38   Yes, they are very expensive.

00:15:40   So my eGPU is now sitting on the desk.

00:15:43   The thing that I found out is the original setup that I was using

00:15:49   had a one meter cable going from my laptop down to the eGPU,

00:15:54   and then the thing that was really killing me, another one meter cable back from the eGPU to the monitor.

00:16:03   So this 5K display was trying to push all the pixels back and forth across two meters,

00:16:11   four times the acceptable length for the necessary data transfer.

00:16:17   And it was like, I wasn't crazy.

00:16:18   I couldn't, I wasn't able to get all the pixels

00:16:21   I thought I was supposed to get on the monitor.

00:16:23   And it turns out like, yes, if I use two half meter cables,

00:16:27   then I can get the full resolution.

00:16:29   Otherwise I was not getting the full resolution

00:16:31   on that screen.

00:16:32   It was maddening.

00:16:33   - You can use, you can daisy chain two half meter cables?

00:16:37   - Yeah, that seemed to be able to be under

00:16:38   whatever the limit was, but having two one meter cables,

00:16:43   obviously there must've been enough degradation

00:16:45   in the data that it wasn't working.

00:16:47   - I did just find out that you can buy these cables

00:16:51   on Apple's Hong Kong website.

00:16:54   - What, the optical cables?

00:16:56   - The Corning one, but you can't buy them on the UK site.

00:17:00   And that doesn't make sense to me.

00:17:03   - Too fast for the UK.

00:17:05   - I guess, it's very strange.

00:17:09   - Yeah, as a final thing, I got a ton of feedback

00:17:12   from people who were pointing out as well,

00:17:14   the thing that, I wish I had said it in the show,

00:17:17   but you never cover everything that you want to.

00:17:19   They go, "Hey, don't you know

00:17:22   "that there's a little lightning bolt on the cable

00:17:25   "that has thunderbolt support?

00:17:27   "Aren't you aware of this?"

00:17:28   The answer is yes.

00:17:29   - Well, this is what I was saying, right?

00:17:31   So this is the thing, I just said this,

00:17:33   and you've just said, this is how confusing it is, right?

00:17:36   I just said that. (laughs)

00:17:38   - I'm trying to make it as clear as possible

00:17:40   to the listeners who sent me all this feedback,

00:17:43   like, look for it.

00:17:44   And what I want to say is, the problem with the cables,

00:17:49   it's not just all the specs, it's the flakiness.

00:17:53   So I found out after that show, that by like, again,

00:17:58   doing this ridiculous A/B testing of hardware,

00:18:02   that I have a bunch of USB 3.0 Lightning cables

00:18:05   that just don't work, right?

00:18:06   Like they're not transferring the data

00:18:08   at the rate that they're supposed to.

00:18:10   - 'Cause this is the problem,

00:18:11   a cable that is broken isn't completely broken.

00:18:14   - That's exactly it.

00:18:15   All of them still support the power,

00:18:18   but I had USB-C Thunderbolt cables

00:18:21   that were clearly not actually able to communicate

00:18:23   with peripherals with Thunderbolt speeds.

00:18:26   So I was like, great, it's great.

00:18:27   Whatever you guys, I don't even know where these cables,

00:18:30   like I'm not, I don't know,

00:18:31   I'm not pointing fingers at any manufacturers.

00:18:33   All I know is like, I got this bucket of expensive cables

00:18:36   and some portion of them don't even work

00:18:38   as advertised by the little lightning bolt on them.

00:18:40   So again, TL;DR, USB-C is f*cking garbage and I hate it.

00:18:47   So, Gray, I thought to myself that it would be fun to do some Ask Cortex today, because

00:18:54   we haven't done it in a while.

00:18:55   So while I was preparing for the episode, I thought I would tweet from the @CortexPodcast

00:19:00   Twitter account, "Hey, why don't we get some #AskCortex questions?"

00:19:04   Oh, we got a lot.

00:19:06   I think people have been waiting for this segment to come back.

00:19:08   We got lots and lots of questions.

00:19:11   - It did seem like there had been a bit of a buildup.

00:19:13   - Yes, I wanna just chip away at some of those

00:19:16   by basically devoting the rest of this entire episode

00:19:19   to #AskCortex.

00:19:21   - We gotta clear the Cortex-dex.

00:19:22   - We're not gonna clear it, I can tell you that.

00:19:25   - No, we can clear it, we can clear it, Myke.

00:19:26   - All right, so buckle up for six hours.

00:19:29   - At least an hour before I really need to go,

00:19:31   so I'm sure we can get all this out.

00:19:33   - Okay, we may get through 2% of the questions I have.

00:19:37   All right, then let's kick off #AskCortac

00:19:40   so this question from John,

00:19:41   which is one that I've actually seen a bunch of times,

00:19:43   so I think it might be a good one to start with.

00:19:46   What, if any, personal budgeting software

00:19:49   or tracking do you use?

00:19:51   - Oh, for personal stuff? - Yeah.

00:19:53   - My wife and I have a system that just uses a spreadsheet,

00:19:58   and it's something that we have done

00:20:00   as long as we've been married.

00:20:04   actually, I guess before we were even married,

00:20:07   to split up bills.

00:20:09   But we just have it, it's not really complicated,

00:20:11   but it's just a basic spreadsheet that tracks

00:20:14   what are all the shared expenses and tallies them up.

00:20:19   The only, I don't know, I guess for listeners,

00:20:22   the only thing about it that's interesting

00:20:24   that I would recommend to couples to do

00:20:29   is that the spreadsheet does a little calculation

00:20:32   about what share of the bills we need to put into the common pot based on what our incomes

00:20:40   are.

00:20:41   So as we have spent a long time together, like our incomes have varied, like sometimes

00:20:45   she earns more than me and sometimes I've earned more than her.

00:20:49   And currently the situation where my income is quite variable, we just have this little

00:20:55   spreadsheet always do the thing where it's like, oh, well, if if she's earned 60% of

00:20:59   income then she pays 60% of the shared bills and if I'm earning 60% of the income this

00:21:04   month then I pay 60% of the shared bills.

00:21:07   I think it's a way that it just feels like a nice fair way to do it and it feels like

00:21:13   we're both contributing and it's worked really well for us over the whole course of our marriage.

00:21:21   So that's, it's pretty simple but that's just what we do.

00:21:24   What do you guys have?

00:21:25   We have the exact same thing.

00:21:27   We have a spreadsheet that Adina mostly manages because she's very good at

00:21:31   putting together spreadsheets, which has all of our bills.

00:21:35   And then we don't we we break it up slightly differently.

00:21:38   We just have a fixed percentage.

00:21:40   Like I pay a percentage and she pays a percentage and it's just the same.

00:21:43   Right. But again, it's like it's based on our income,

00:21:46   but it doesn't fluctuate so differently.

00:21:48   And that's kind of how we manage all of our shared expenses.

00:21:51   It's just through this sheet.

00:21:53   So every month I take a look at the sheet, I see what my total is and I transfer that

00:21:57   to our joint account and that's where all our bills come out of.

00:22:00   And that's just kind of how that works.

00:22:02   For myself, I don't have any budgeting for my own personal money.

00:22:08   I wasn't very good with money when I was younger and got myself into some sticky situations

00:22:15   as a younger man.

00:22:17   So I have gotten a lot better at just frequently checking my bank accounts and just understanding

00:22:24   what I've got and spending responsibly.

00:22:27   I know that there are a lot of tools that exist and especially now there are more and

00:22:31   more of them because of some changes to the way that banking information is shared legally

00:22:37   and at least in the UK.

00:22:40   You may have noticed recently there are a lot more services that exist where you can

00:22:44   sign in with your internet banking information for your bank and it can track your accounts.

00:22:49   This is because there was some legislation changes.

00:22:52   I didn't realize that, yeah, because for years you could never get anything like that in

00:22:55   the UK.

00:22:56   These things do exist and they can be good.

00:22:58   I don't have any that I can personally recommend because I just don't use them.

00:23:02   I do think that it is important for people to have some kind of budgeting practice in

00:23:06   mind.

00:23:07   It can just be as simple as just writing what you have and what you're spending.

00:23:11   It can be very simple or you can have an app or you can do what I do.

00:23:15   It's just I look at my bank balances.

00:23:17   That's really interesting to hear about that with the change in the banking laws.

00:23:20   I think I'll be curious to look into that because I've tried on occasion to use a

00:23:27   more formal system from my wife and I and from my own expenses and for her expenses,

00:23:35   but it's always just been too heavyweight.

00:23:38   It's like, oh, this is too much solution,

00:23:40   where it's just like a basic spreadsheet covers 95%

00:23:43   of the things that you care about and expenses.

00:23:46   So, but yeah, if there's more automated solutions available,

00:23:50   I'll be curious to look into that.

00:23:51   - Oh, that stuff's gonna get,

00:23:53   it's getting severely productized right now.

00:23:56   Like there's gonna be more and more of these things.

00:23:58   It's from banks and from startups.

00:24:01   - Great.

00:24:02   - There is like a whole industry that's been created

00:24:04   around this stuff now.

00:24:05   so you're going to get used to seeing these things a lot.

00:24:08   Marut wants to know,

00:24:11   how did you both decide which business ideas to pursue?

00:24:15   Did you love the type of work

00:24:16   that you're doing now beforehand,

00:24:18   or did you just find out that you were good at it?

00:24:21   Funnily enough, Marut's second part of his question,

00:24:25   I think sum up both of our approaches

00:24:27   for our current businesses, right?

00:24:29   I found something I loved,

00:24:31   you found something you were good at.

00:24:33   Yeah, this question makes me feel like a monster because...

00:24:38   I hate what I do and I'm not good at it, but I'm successful and that's it.

00:24:43   Just follow my lead.

00:24:48   When this comes up, this is where you get to be the person that people want to be.

00:24:55   Right?

00:24:56   You have the clearly winning story, right?

00:25:00   Because you had a thing that you loved and you pursued success in that field and you achieved success in that field.

00:25:09   Right.

00:25:10   And that's what people want.

00:25:11   Okay, but now I'm going to argue on your side.

00:25:13   I think that your path is the path that people should actually aim to achieve.

00:25:17   Oh, no, I agree with you there.

00:25:19   People should be more like me.

00:25:21   Yeah, I think the world is filled with fools like you, yes.

00:25:24   Yes, yes.

00:25:25   I believe that people can achieve what they want to achieve.

00:25:30   The problem is a lot of people understandably don't want to do what I did,

00:25:34   which was ruin my life for five years, right?

00:25:37   Until I got to where I am because I hated everything about my job because I just

00:25:43   had a job that I hated and didn't bother to move because all I cared about was

00:25:48   just trying to do what I wanted to do as opposed to actually maybe trying to

00:25:52   find something that was a little bit more comfortable for the work that I had to

00:25:55   do to earn money.

00:25:57   and then just ruined all of my personal relationships

00:26:01   'cause I never had any free time, right?

00:26:03   Like this is stuff that people, by and large, shouldn't do.

00:26:06   But for a lot of people, unfortunately,

00:26:08   is the way that you get to doing the thing you wanna do.

00:26:12   - Yeah, no, no, no, Myke, you don't understand

00:26:14   because most people would have found you

00:26:17   when you were already successful,

00:26:20   like the anthropic principle, right?

00:26:21   Like they found you when you were successful

00:26:23   because that's when they would find you.

00:26:25   - Yeah.

00:26:26   So that is the moment upon which you were just birthed into the universe in the successful

00:26:31   hole that you are.

00:26:34   That's how that works.

00:26:35   But anyway, to get back on track, I think that it is better for people to, and people

00:26:41   will I think overall be happier in their lives if they follow the CGP Grey method of finding

00:26:46   a thing that you're good at and then doing it.

00:26:49   also an additional problem here, which is, you know, you as a successful podcaster, you're

00:26:58   at the example of a thing that I just, I think people don't think about very clearly, which

00:27:05   is the odds of success in fields where everybody wants to go. And so, especially with like

00:27:14   podcasts are booming now.

00:27:15   - Yeah, 10 years ago or eight years ago,

00:27:18   they weren't as popular as they are now.

00:27:20   - Yeah.

00:27:21   - So it was easier for me to get started.

00:27:24   - Yeah, and it's also a thing that,

00:27:26   again, almost definitionally,

00:27:28   I'm less convinced about the easy to get started argument.

00:27:34   I tend to think it actually gets easier

00:27:36   to get started over time,

00:27:39   but what doesn't get easier is the probability of success

00:27:44   compared to everyone else entering the field.

00:27:47   You get more and more people entering this field

00:27:53   and you will have proportionately fewer

00:27:56   and fewer successes.

00:27:57   I worry when people get advice to just keep trying hard

00:28:04   in a field that has that kind of shape to it,

00:28:08   that everybody wants to do this thing.

00:28:11   - I think it's fine to,

00:28:13   and I can clarify my feeling on this a little bit more,

00:28:17   if you love doing a thing, like do it,

00:28:21   but don't necessarily try really hard to make it your job.

00:28:25   If you wanna have a podcast 'cause you like a thing

00:28:29   and you wanna talk about a thing,

00:28:31   by all means, do that thing if it's what you love,

00:28:35   but it can be really hard to then be like,

00:28:38   I love this, this needs to be my job.

00:28:40   - Yeah, yeah, that's the transition.

00:28:43   Because that wasn't how I started either, right?

00:28:45   Like I started him for many years,

00:28:47   just did it because I really loved it.

00:28:49   It seemed like a really fun thing to do.

00:28:52   And then over time became something that as I started

00:28:55   to get like a little traction, right?

00:28:58   Like it seemed like it was something that could maybe build

00:29:00   then I was like, oh, maybe imagine if, right?

00:29:04   And then that was when it then became

00:29:06   like a six year journey.

00:29:09   - Obviously I think the, if you're giving advice,

00:29:12   I think the CGP Grey path is the more universally

00:29:16   applicable advice, which is try to scan the horizon

00:29:20   for things that you're interested in,

00:29:24   that you might want to develop or see what works,

00:29:28   like place a bunch of bets on the table

00:29:30   and then double down on the bets that work.

00:29:33   And you can build up a positive feedback loop

00:29:37   on this thing.

00:29:38   And it also does have the problem of, again,

00:29:41   the perception of the way things work versus the reality of the way things work.

00:29:45   So I will say though, this isn't all I do, right? I also run a business, sell ads. That's

00:29:53   a thing that I'm just good at. It's not necessarily my dream. I didn't dream that I would sell

00:30:02   advertising. But that's actually just a skill that I had, which I built up over years of

00:30:09   of working in a big company and eventually transitioning into a marketing role.

00:30:14   I learned some of the skills of how you talk to people, how you sell something,

00:30:19   how you convince someone that this is a good bet for them to take a chance on you.

00:30:23   Right. Like I learned these skills working for a big corporation in a marketing department.

00:30:28   So then it eventually was like, oh, I shouldn't just do this.

00:30:32   I should also do the business part of this.

00:30:36   Right. And that was when it transitioned for me because I found something I was good at

00:30:42   and was able to couple that with a thing that I loved and then it progressed into something

00:30:48   that was successful. I would not be where I am right now if I didn't do that other part of it.

00:30:53   That's an excellent point and in my own way I can mirror that simply from

00:30:59   recognizing that I had some above average ability to explain things when I was younger,

00:31:05   like people would make remarks like, "Oh, that's a really good comparison."

00:31:09   But that tiny little seed then grows up into,

00:31:14   "Oh, when I'm older and I'm flailing around and I have no idea what to do for money

00:31:17   and like, it's like I'm going to starve to death, like what job am I going to do?"

00:31:21   It's like, well, teaching ticks a lot of boxes.

00:31:24   One of those boxes is, "I think I'm pretty good at explaining things just naturally."

00:31:29   And then like the marketing thing,

00:31:31   "Well, now I'm in a job where I'm doing this all day long,

00:31:33   Like I'm spending all day long talking to people

00:31:35   and having to explain things and getting multiple passes

00:31:38   at trying to explain the same thing

00:31:40   and developing a skill that started out as like,

00:31:45   oh, maybe you were like a little better than average

00:31:47   in the population on this.

00:31:49   But now after several years of teaching,

00:31:51   it's like, oh, you've developed this thing

00:31:52   into a much better than average skill.

00:31:56   And that then, you know,

00:31:59   now that you have a much better than average skill,

00:32:02   maybe there are other ways to apply this into work

00:32:07   that is overall more well-suited to your personality

00:32:10   than teaching is.

00:32:12   But yeah, but you can take things

00:32:15   that you just happen to have a little bit more interest

00:32:17   or skill in and develop them over time

00:32:21   into things that are beneficial to you.

00:32:25   I just wanna say, because I always worry about it,

00:32:30   It's like, you do need to have in mind very strongly the idea of what is useful or interesting to other people.

00:32:41   Like, that is really the key feature when you're trying to build something or build a career or build a company or do anything is,

00:32:50   I just very often come across people who are super interested in the thing that they're super interested in,

00:32:56   and then naturally assume that everybody else

00:32:59   is also going to be interested in seeing them

00:33:01   do the thing that they're working on.

00:33:03   And you've got to have your antenna up for

00:33:06   what is the world interested in?

00:33:09   Or like, or what does the world want?

00:33:12   - Marketable skills.

00:33:14   - Yeah, the world doesn't care about you, spoiler alert.

00:33:17   Like the world cares about what you can do for it.

00:33:21   And like, that's, you gotta follow that easy path.

00:33:24   Like, don't try to make the whole world care about you.

00:33:27   Do something that the world can be interested in or that benefits it.

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00:36:30   Mark wants to know, Grey, and I'm actually interested in this, are there any updates

00:36:34   to your Mac and iPad setup change since episode 63? And are you planning on buying any new

00:36:40   Macs or iPads this fall when hopefully some will be announced?"

00:36:45   This did actually make me think to myself when I saw this question. I feel like I don't

00:36:53   know why you went back to the Mac. I feel like it happened. And we kind of said it happened.

00:37:03   you were very upset at that time. I was very upset. Yeah, I'm not upset anymore. So like,

00:37:08   I have a secondary part of this question, which is, can you sum up a little bit of why you did this?

00:37:15   And then talk about like, if there's been any major changes, and then you feel looking forward

00:37:20   to any potential new hardware. Okay, so many levels in this. The first thing is episode 63.

00:37:28   I'm thinking, like, am I supposed to know what that episode was?

00:37:31   -Yeah, I had an idea. -"Episode 63, Flower Garden"?

00:37:33   I assume this was when you broke the news to me, I think.

00:37:38   Yeah, well, I'm looking in the show notes.

00:37:40   Like, I have a diagram of my office in the show notes or something?

00:37:44   Like, it's, "Oh, okay."

00:37:46   Yeah, see, I remember that. This was when you broke the news to me.

00:37:50   -Right. -Because we were going through

00:37:52   your new office setup,

00:37:54   and I realized there was no iPad in it anymore, really.

00:37:58   And that was when it all came crashing down around me.

00:38:02   That you'd suckered me in to this multi-pad lifestyle

00:38:06   and then just left me in the dust.

00:38:07   - No, I didn't sucker you in, right?

00:38:09   Look, you make decisions at the time

00:38:11   that are the sensible decisions,

00:38:12   but the world is not static.

00:38:14   Things change in the world.

00:38:16   - They sure do.

00:38:17   - And so you have to be willing to be, as I am,

00:38:21   bendable in the breeze.

00:38:23   You don't wanna be an oak tree.

00:38:25   - Here we go.

00:38:26   - You wanna be...

00:38:27   (laughing)

00:38:28   - Another nonsensical metaphor.

00:38:30   (laughing)

00:38:31   - You wanna be like the grass,

00:38:34   blowing with the wind, bending, adjusting with time,

00:38:38   not an inflexible oak tree.

00:38:39   Not that I'm saying that that's what you are, Myke.

00:38:42   Just slight tangent to this.

00:38:44   There is a phenomenon where when you say something

00:38:47   in a podcast, people expect it to be that way forever

00:38:51   for all time.

00:38:52   So that's actually- - It comes part

00:38:53   of who you are.

00:38:54   - Yeah, I'm not really pushing you back against you.

00:38:56   I'm pushing back against this strange idea that,

00:38:59   like you say a thing,

00:39:01   and then people expect that to be the thing forever.

00:39:03   And it's like, episode 63 of Cortex,

00:39:06   I don't know who that guy was or what he was talking about.

00:39:08   I have nothing to do with him.

00:39:09   Like I'm making decisions for me.

00:39:11   I'm not making decisions for that guy.

00:39:13   Okay, let me try to answer the layers of your questions.

00:39:17   Why did I leave iPad and go to Mac?

00:39:20   Is that what we're asking here?

00:39:22   Is that what you want to know?

00:39:23   - Yeah, I think, I mean, I feel like I understand,

00:39:26   but it still doesn't make sense to me.

00:39:27   So I would, my belief is that you were unhappy

00:39:32   with some of the ways that interaction methods changed

00:39:37   in iOS 12.

00:39:38   - Yes. - iOS 11.

00:39:40   - Yeah, iOS 11, of course.

00:39:41   The most brief version is there were two aggravating factors

00:39:46   and the first was,

00:39:49   and I always feel the need to say this really clearly,

00:39:51   while I 100% agree with the decisions that Apple made

00:39:55   about how to change multitasking in the iPad

00:39:58   for the vast majority of users.

00:40:00   I think it was a great thing for them to do

00:40:04   and the correct decision.

00:40:05   It just didn't work for me.

00:40:07   And I found it extremely clunky

00:40:10   to be moving back and forth between apps.

00:40:13   Like that is the best word to describe it.

00:40:15   I just found it clunky to use.

00:40:19   But I was still sticking with it

00:40:21   until the real stake through the heart of using iOS

00:40:26   as the primary platform was getting my iPhone X

00:40:32   that by the way, I totally love

00:40:35   and is the phone that I've been the most happy with

00:40:38   for years from Apple.

00:40:40   But at that time, there were just enough differences

00:40:44   between how iOS worked on the iPad versus on the phone

00:40:48   that were any of them a big deal?

00:40:51   No, but I found myself constantly frustrated

00:40:55   moving back and forth between the two of them

00:40:57   about what brings up multitasking?

00:41:00   Where is control center?

00:41:02   Now, it seems like some of those things

00:41:05   have been ironed out.

00:41:07   - They have been.

00:41:08   - Yeah, but it doesn't change that that caused me

00:41:11   to really rethink at the time,

00:41:15   like what devices am I going to use?

00:41:17   And it also happened to coincide with me really

00:41:22   doing a separate big rethink about

00:41:25   what do I want my physical spaces to be,

00:41:28   and realizing that one way that I could improve

00:41:30   a bunch of workspaces is by having larger screens

00:41:35   to work on in more dedicated, less mobile spaces.

00:41:41   And so it was a combination of all of these factors

00:41:44   coming together.

00:41:45   And I do have to say that I feel very comfortable

00:41:50   in my decision because it's been a long time now

00:41:54   and Apple still has not changed

00:41:56   the basic multitasking features on the iPad in iOS 12.

00:42:00   So again, it's that situation of,

00:42:02   if you don't like a thing,

00:42:03   you might have to live with it for two years.

00:42:05   And there's been a couple of changes

00:42:08   with the way the pencil works in iWork apps on the iPad,

00:42:12   which drives me crazy.

00:42:14   - They changed that back.

00:42:15   Oh, did they change it back?

00:42:16   Okay.

00:42:17   Yeah, there's now a setting.

00:42:18   Thank God, because I couldn't deal with numbers on the iPad that way, and it felt like, "Oh,

00:42:22   they're trying to do this thing again that I hate."

00:42:24   I think it's right that they have the method that they have, like being able to draw whenever

00:42:28   you want, but they have also added in a setting for you to be able to change it back again.

00:42:32   Great.

00:42:33   I'm gonna change that on my devices.

00:42:35   But yeah, so anyway, that's what it is.

00:42:38   But the big prime killer is the way multitasking work.

00:42:42   just didn't work for me and I found like it was getting in my way and I was doing too

00:42:46   much work with the system as an instead of like on the thing that I wanted to do.

00:42:51   Yeah, I should also say I have grown over time too, uh, in that now I am happy to accept

00:42:57   this as part of my personality as opposed to a shared personality that we need to have.

00:43:03   So I am now fine with the fact that you moved away from the iPad to the Mac because it's

00:43:09   okay for me to stay where I am.

00:43:11   Now you can own the multi-iPad lifestyle wholly and completely.

00:43:15   Yeah, the multi-iPad lifestyle is mine now. Because you don't do it anymore, I don't

00:43:19   think. Or at least not in the way in which it was created, right? Which was the idea

00:43:24   of it's not just you have them, you have them and you use them and you use them all

00:43:28   the time.

00:43:29   Yeah, no. My iPad use has dramatically shrunk to just a couple of particular things.

00:43:35   Like it used to be, really, I think, when we started. I think you are now kind of have

00:43:40   full circle really in that you have iPads and you use them but for specific purposes

00:43:48   and then we both shifted to we use them for all the time everything and then you have

00:43:54   kind of gone back again.

00:43:57   So do you plan to buy new products this year?

00:44:03   For one, do you want any new Macs?

00:44:06   Or the idea of any new Macs excite you?

00:44:09   And all these new potential iPads with Face ID and they're going to have bigger screens

00:44:15   or smaller physical bodies and incredible new technology.

00:44:19   Do you ever hear these product areas excite you?

00:44:21   Now, I think I'm going to be passing on new iPads for the first time in a long time.

00:44:28   Just because my use is so relatively limited.

00:44:32   - I don't feel that this is a purchase

00:44:37   that makes sense right now.

00:44:40   So I think I'm gonna be passing on it,

00:44:42   which is a shock, like it's the first time in a while.

00:44:45   I was really hoping out for what I think of as iPad micro,

00:44:51   which would have been the big phone

00:44:53   with the Apple Pencil support,

00:44:56   but that has been sadly pretty much confirmed

00:44:59   as not gonna happen.

00:45:00   I would have loved that.

00:45:02   And I would have used that as like a little iPad micro,

00:45:05   but no, as far as big iPads go,

00:45:08   I don't think I'm gonna be doing that.

00:45:10   - We'll see.

00:45:12   - Yeah, I never make promises for my future self,

00:45:15   but when I think of purchases,

00:45:16   it's not like the phone, which is a guaranteed,

00:45:19   like when the new phone comes out for sure,

00:45:21   that's what I'll be getting.

00:45:23   - So Shivam wants to know,

00:45:25   what is one piece of technology that you've acquired in 2018

00:45:27   that has made your life easier?

00:45:29   So for me, I've been trying to improve my working posture in different ways,

00:45:34   because I feel like I'm getting some ergonomic impact from the way that I've

00:45:42   been using my devices, especially my iOS devices, both my iPhone and my iPad.

00:45:47   I think I'm spending far too much time with my head looking down and I've been

00:45:52   trying to find some ways to combat that.

00:45:54   And two products have entered my life recently which have been helpful, I think.

00:46:01   One is an iPad stand called the Tabitha stand, which is a stand from this company,

00:46:09   I think called Colbrook Boston Saunders.

00:46:12   They're very much a "we will supply your new office with a bunch of equipment"

00:46:17   company, right?

00:46:18   Right.

00:46:19   But they do sell some products individually to consumers.

00:46:22   And this stand is really nice.

00:46:24   It's adjustable to all different types of tablet size.

00:46:27   It's got a good weighted base and I can bring my iPad up to a pretty high height

00:46:32   to kind of like the eye level height that I would want.

00:46:35   So I've been really happy with this.

00:46:37   Yeah, and I use it with a magic keyboard and my Apple pencil.

00:46:41   So if I'm at any desk with my iPad, I can use it and it's really great.

00:46:45   And I've been really happy with it.

00:46:47   It makes me feel comfortable to use the device.

00:46:50   So I've been happy with that.

00:46:51   And a company called Bridge, they make a keyboard product for the iPad Pro

00:46:57   to turn it into kind of like a laptop.

00:47:00   And they just had a new version came out and they sent me they sent me it

00:47:04   because I had some problems with the first version.

00:47:08   Basically, I couldn't get one to reliably work.

00:47:10   And they said they fixed this and they sent me one.

00:47:12   And I absolutely love it.

00:47:15   So if I don't have my iPad in the tab of the stand, like if I want to work

00:47:20   on the couch, I now have a keyboard that basically turns my iPad Pro into a laptop because it

00:47:28   has an adjustable hinge.

00:47:30   Man, that is very cool looking.

00:47:33   It is really, really good.

00:47:35   So I would say, especially considering you are not thinking about changing your iPad

00:47:39   Pro, because I mean, I worry for a company that debuts a new version of a product like

00:47:46   two weeks before Apple unveils new versions of that product.

00:47:49   Yeah, yeah. There's a bunch of companies that do that. They always feel like, "Ooh, is

00:47:53   now the time to debut your iPhone battery pack case?" Like, this seems like a bad time

00:47:59   to do that.

00:48:00   But nevertheless, they have, and I will say for you, especially because you're not thinking

00:48:04   about upgrading, you should get one of these because it is… the form factor is incredible,

00:48:10   right? Like turning an iPad into a laptop form factor is wonderful. The keyboard's

00:48:14   really good. It has backlighting, very long battery life on Bluetooth.

00:48:18   And but it's the adjustable hinge that makes it you know, you can you can

00:48:23   basically go from having it at 90 degrees or like 180 degrees, which is

00:48:29   really, really, really nice.

00:48:31   I like it a lot. So there are two things for my kind of iPad home setup that

00:48:36   I've really, really enjoyed.

00:48:37   They made a big impact to my kind of work and comfort over the last couple of

00:48:40   months.

00:48:41   I'm going to go with Roomba.

00:48:42   I'm going to go with Roomba.

00:48:44   little friend. Did you see that the Amazon put Roomba on sale like two days after our

00:48:49   episode went up?

00:48:50   I think they did it because their algorithms picked up that people were buying Roombas.

00:48:54   I think that's probably what happened. A couple of my friends bought Roombas, so it definitely

00:48:58   happened.

00:48:59   I've gotten a number of texts related to Roombas.

00:49:01   There you go, see? Roomba fever sweep in the nation.

00:49:05   Roomba revolution.

00:49:06   And making it very clean.

00:49:09   Andrew wants to know, between the two of us, who would be the most capable in surviving

00:49:14   a few days in the woods with just a knife and matches?

00:49:17   Oh, this is a very different Ask Cortex kind of question.

00:49:20   Yup. We get some of these every now and then, and a lot of them are like who would win in

00:49:24   a fight and stuff like that, but I like this one specifically. I think I know the answer

00:49:29   to this, and I wonder what you think.

00:49:33   Well, we're both really ill-prepared for this challenge, I think.

00:49:38   Yes, both of us are very, very...

00:49:41   I think that's what makes this question specifically very interesting,

00:49:44   because we are both wildly mismatched to survive in the woods.

00:49:48   Like, the woods has a big advantage over the two of us.

00:49:52   Yeah, in this man versus nature conflict, bet on nature.

00:49:56   I think if you were going to make a bet out of the two of us, I would put my money on you.

00:50:01   Because I think you have a stronger "I need to stay alive" instinct than I do.

00:50:08   I feel like I would more quickly give up.

00:50:10   - As with all theoretical questions,

00:50:12   the boundaries really matter on this.

00:50:16   But I would bet on me simply because

00:50:20   I'm in ketosis right now,

00:50:22   which gives you a real big advantage

00:50:24   in not needing to eat and still being able to function.

00:50:29   So I think if we got teleported into the woods right now,

00:50:35   We're both equally unprepared, but I have like a slight, a slight ketosis buff that

00:50:41   might edge it out for me lasting longer than you.

00:50:44   Well, I had a big lunch.

00:50:47   So we'll see on that one, I guess.

00:50:52   John says, "Do you have any advice for people that are trying to put out productivity garbage

00:50:57   fires?

00:50:58   Cortex is very insightful, but often feels like it's targeted at people who are polishing

00:51:03   maybe a well-practiced regiment. What advice do you have for people who are several steps

00:51:09   below that?

00:51:10   Ooh. Okay, you need to start with this one, Myke.

00:51:14   Alright. So, I think one of the things why you may believe, if you're coming to this

00:51:18   show, that we are, like, well-practiced, is that before this show began, we both had the

00:51:25   basics of a system. And I think that that might be what John is missing. If you don't

00:51:31   have the basics of a system, I think a lot of the stuff we talk about might be unhelpful

00:51:35   to you. And I would say if you've not listened to the show from the start and you feel this

00:51:40   way, go back to the beginning. Because I think in the beginning, we focused a lot more on

00:51:44   the very basics, like calendars, just as a general idea, or to-do lists as a general

00:51:51   idea. You need these two things, I think. I think anybody that wants to be productive

00:51:57   needs a calendar and a to do list. And it can be anything. But I think that these two

00:52:01   things like fundamentals of what am I doing today? And what do I need to do today? And

00:52:08   they are two different things. Like, what are the commitments that I have? And what

00:52:13   do I want to get done? And you need these two things. And if even if that still seems

00:52:18   daunting to you, start with taking a pen and paper and writing out every day what you need

00:52:25   to do and what you want to do. And what this will do is help you understand what kind of

00:52:29   things keep popping up, but also help you understand that something that helps me is

00:52:36   I always feel like I have more going on than I actually do. And sometimes sitting down

00:52:40   and writing it down makes me realize I don't have as many things to do as I'm freaking

00:52:46   out about. So go to the very basics, which is like pen and paper, and then build yourself

00:52:51   up to getting a calendar and a to-do app or a reminders app or something and that will

00:52:56   start allowing you I think to get on the first rungs of the ladder.

00:53:02   There is one exception to the everyone needs a calendar and a to-do list app and that exception

00:53:07   is Jason Snell who only needs a calendar.

00:53:10   Uh-uh, no he uses a to-do list now, I broke him down.

00:53:13   Oh did you?

00:53:14   Yeah.

00:53:15   I thought he had abandoned that.

00:53:16   Oh okay.

00:53:17   No he's still using it.

00:53:18   still using Todoist, because again, over time it will get you. The more and more responsibilities

00:53:25   you have, you will end up needing both. I think that this is a thing for both people.

00:53:30   That's fantastic. I'm really glad you finally got the Snellatron on the to-do list,

00:53:35   Manager Train.

00:53:36   It can be anything, right? If you want to use Dew, our favorite app, DUE, which has

00:53:41   got a wonderful update, which I recommend people try out, even that is something, it's

00:53:46   It's just like having, using reminders or Google tasks or anything.

00:53:51   Just having a list of stuff that you do I think is really important, even if it's just

00:53:55   getting it out of your head.

00:53:58   That's point number one.

00:54:00   Yeah.

00:54:01   I mean, so this is a difficult question because productivity garbage fire.

00:54:08   It sounds real bad.

00:54:09   But a garbage fire to me sounds like a time when you just need to write it down.

00:54:15   Because garbage fire to me means you're panicking. And if you're panicking, I think that you

00:54:21   will make -- there is a potential, not always, but there is a potential that you're over

00:54:26   panicking about the situation that you're in.

00:54:28   Yeah, yeah. Well, so I'm interpreting this question a little bit in the way of you aren't

00:54:34   panicking because you have nothing, like nothing to support you here. And, you know, maybe

00:54:42   not a situation like, oh, you know, you had things and it's all fallen apart, but you're

00:54:45   just, you're really starting from ground zero and recognizing it. And I know, and I

00:54:50   think, I think back to, you know, for me that the time when that happened in my life was

00:54:56   doing the teacher training where suddenly there were more things to do than I could

00:55:01   just casually keep track of in an unofficial manner. And it was like, oh, you're really

00:55:07   if you don't do this.

00:55:10   I 100% agree with your assessment about paper.

00:55:13   That's always my big push when I'm talking to people

00:55:15   is if you're overwhelmed, paper is the tool.

00:55:19   Don't fiddle around with the to-do list managers.

00:55:22   Like you don't, especially when you're at the beginning,

00:55:24   like you don't even know what you need

00:55:26   and paper is totally fine.

00:55:28   Yes, it lacks some features,

00:55:30   but that it's lack of features is a feature

00:55:34   when what you need is focus and calmness.

00:55:39   Like, just you, just the paper.

00:55:43   I'm also gonna say that this is going to be hard

00:55:48   for some people, but you think about who do you know

00:55:52   in your life who is a productive person,

00:55:57   who seems to get things done and executed well

00:56:02   and seems to have their life together.

00:56:04   Because if you're really starting from ground zero,

00:56:08   I think it helps tremendously to talk to someone

00:56:11   who is a productive person.

00:56:12   Most productive people are more than happy

00:56:15   to talk about what they do.

00:56:17   But on top of that, what I think is a real underlying thing

00:56:23   about productivity that's hard to recognize

00:56:29   when you're panicking is the 80/20 rule.

00:56:34   that you can be panicking about a million things,

00:56:37   but when you talk them over with somebody else,

00:56:41   it's often very easy for another person to see

00:56:46   that you are focused on a thing that doesn't matter

00:56:48   and you're ignoring a thing that does.

00:56:52   I don't know, when I see people

00:56:53   who are really stuck in their head

00:56:56   talking over what are the things

00:56:58   that they're trying to work on

00:56:59   and how are they trying to get a system together,

00:57:01   I think it's just really helpful

00:57:02   to have a second brain there,

00:57:06   who can sometimes point out to you like,

00:57:07   "Oh, you seem to be really concerned about this project,

00:57:10   but if this project was not successful,

00:57:13   like what's the downside?"

00:57:15   And then you say, "Oh, well, it's this minor thing."

00:57:17   It's like, "Okay, well,

00:57:18   if we're in a productivity dumpster fire,

00:57:20   then drop the thing where the downside doesn't matter

00:57:23   if it doesn't get completed.

00:57:24   And let's talk about like,

00:57:25   what are the things that have real downsides

00:57:27   if they don't get completed?"

00:57:28   And try to clear the decks that way.

00:57:30   But it's a very hard thing to do on your own

00:57:34   when you're panicking about things.

00:57:36   It's easier to do with somebody else.

00:57:38   And at least in my experience, productive people,

00:57:40   they enjoy talking about this kind of stuff

00:57:42   and they're very happy to help.

00:57:44   - You need someone to have a working lunch with, right?

00:57:46   - Yeah, that's really, that's exactly what it is.

00:57:50   It might not be easy to find someone like that,

00:57:53   but when people are acknowledged for like,

00:57:54   "Oh, hey, it seems like you, office mate,

00:57:57   you have your life really together.

00:57:59   Like, do you mind if I pick your brain on that a little bit?

00:58:00   I think people are usually respond positively to something like that.

00:58:03   A lot of reasonable sized corporate structures or large enough companies

00:58:08   would have some kind of mentor mentee type program.

00:58:11   Those types of things can be really helpful for stuff like this too.

00:58:15   Yeah.

00:58:16   Which is like a company way of defining some kind of relationship with somebody

00:58:20   that you deem to be professionally capable.

00:58:25   So that could be a way to find someone like that if you're struggling and such a thing is available to you.

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01:00:35   So talking about paper, to use paper you need a pen. Delano wants to know what is your currently

01:00:42   most used pen.

01:00:43   Look at that transition there, Myke.

01:00:46   I'm a professional.

01:00:49   What is your most currently used pen?

01:00:50   No, I want to know yours because it's too difficult for me. So I want to know what you

01:00:54   use. We're going to start with what you use. What is your most used pen?

01:00:57   I mean, uh...

01:00:58   You won't offend me, it's okay.

01:01:00   I don't know. I've got like a bucket of random pens somewhere in the house that I use maybe once a month and I grab something out of there.

01:01:10   Do they tend to be the same? Like do you buy just like one brand? Like one specific type of pen?

01:01:15   Would you just pick them up from all around the world?

01:01:18   This is where you want to know. Yeah there is. I go into Ryman and there's one pen that I like.

01:01:23   Okay. What does it look like? What brand is it?

01:01:27   Penbrand.

01:01:30   - Penbrand Cove.

01:01:32   - It's silver, it's one millimeter thick, black ink.

01:01:38   It's a ballpoint pen.

01:01:39   - Okay.

01:01:40   - That's as close as I can get at this point.

01:01:43   - Is it like Uniball?

01:01:44   - No.

01:01:46   - Pilot?

01:01:47   - I think Pilot, maybe it's Pilot.

01:01:52   - Okay.

01:01:52   - That sounds familiar.

01:01:54   - It's Rollable, you said?

01:01:55   - Yeah.

01:01:57   you sure about that? I'm just asking, is it rollerball or ballpoint? Do you even know

01:02:01   the difference between the two?

01:02:03   Oh, I thought you were asking me if it's a rollerball or if it's a fountain pen and I

01:02:07   was going to say, well, I know it's not a fountain pen, so it must be a rollerball.

01:02:11   And then I'm out of pen technology.

01:02:13   Right, because it could be ballpoint, which is different.

01:02:15   Ball, maybe ballpoint?

01:02:17   Yeah.

01:02:18   I don't know. I feel very uncomfortable, Myke.

01:02:21   That's fine.

01:02:22   People will never want to know the specific anyway.

01:02:23   I don't really have one pen I use most.

01:02:27   - You're doing your rotation thing, right?

01:02:28   With the journal, right?

01:02:29   - Yeah, 'cause I rotate.

01:02:30   In my journal, I use different pens every day,

01:02:33   and when I write show notes and scribble stuff down,

01:02:35   I'll just grab whatever's around me.

01:02:37   I'm very much into a brand called Sailor right now.

01:02:40   They make very, very, very good fountain pens

01:02:43   at a range of prices,

01:02:44   and I really, really like what they make,

01:02:47   and I really kind of go in deeper than I should

01:02:51   into acquiring Sailor fountain pens.

01:02:53   but as kind of the best pen that I can recommend to people

01:02:57   on an everyday basis is the Retro 51,

01:03:01   which is, it contains my favorite refill,

01:03:05   which is a Schmidt refill, which is really, really good.

01:03:07   And so friends of mine, Studio Neat,

01:03:09   are making a pen based around that refill as well,

01:03:12   called the Mark 1, which is also, I have one of those

01:03:14   and I really like it because I really love the refill.

01:03:17   But I recommend people check out like the Retro 51

01:03:20   as a pen, 'cause you can get them

01:03:22   in a bunch of different styles,

01:03:23   and it's a cool pen, and it has a great refill.

01:03:26   You liked it for a little while.

01:03:28   - Yeah, yeah, I did.

01:03:29   That was the one you had me try.

01:03:31   And when I'm in a mood where I think I'm going to

01:03:35   try to get into carrying a pocket notebook

01:03:37   and inevitably failing, because it's just like,

01:03:39   oh, there's no place in my life for this anymore.

01:03:42   But yeah, I would agree with that one.

01:03:44   I'm curious, can you explain to a layman such as myself,

01:03:48   You said the Sailor fountain pens are super nice.

01:03:51   What makes a fountain pen really nice to you?

01:03:57   What is the thing in the pen that attracts you?

01:04:00   - One is design.

01:04:01   So what is it shaped like and what are the colors?

01:04:07   Does it have any special flair to it?

01:04:09   I have some that have glitter in the plastic,

01:04:12   so they look really cool like that 'cause they're glittery.

01:04:16   I have some that are made with these incredible swirl patterns and stuff like that or they

01:04:20   mix together different materials. So I have some that are made like part acrylic plastic

01:04:25   and part metal, part aluminium or something like that. So there are many different things.

01:04:29   Then you get down to like the writing experience. So like how does the nib feel for you? So

01:04:36   when do you fountain pen nib? Like is it thin? Is it thick? What do you like on that? Does

01:04:40   it feel smooth? Does it feel scratchy? People like scratchy pens, people like smooth pens.

01:04:45   How does that feel? And then there's stuff like how does it feel to hold?

01:04:49   So like how balanced is it?

01:04:50   For example, like if you have a pen made out of a couple of different materials,

01:04:54   if the heavy materials on the end of the pen, it might not feel right to hold.

01:04:58   Right. Because then it's going to feel misbalanced.

01:05:01   You want most of the weight down the bottom because that's where you put in the

01:05:04   majority of pressure.

01:05:05   You know, so some pens that are made completely of metal don't feel right when

01:05:09   you hold them because they're heavy or they're misbalanced.

01:05:13   So those are kind of like the three different things.

01:05:16   So it's like the look, the way it performs and the way it feels to hold.

01:05:20   Like they're the three things.

01:05:21   And currently right now, the brand that knocks us out of the park every single

01:05:26   time for me is Sailor.

01:05:27   And this is why they've been around for hundreds of years.

01:05:31   You know, like they are a very, very, very well established brand in Japan.

01:05:37   So and that's why, because they are incredible.

01:05:42   So.

01:05:43   You have a lot of knowledge on this topic.

01:05:46   It seems like you should spin this off into some sort of pen-related podcast.

01:05:54   Funny you should say.

01:05:55   Do you have a pen podcast, Myke?

01:05:56   Yes, relay.fm/penaddict for the pen addict podcast.

01:06:00   Oh, people should go check that out then.

01:06:03   If you at all find what I've said to be interesting, even if you don't know what

01:06:07   I'm talking about, then yes, you should listen to the pen addict.

01:06:12   comes from James. James says, "I love listening to the Text Adventure episodes each year.

01:06:17   What do you enjoy most about playing those games?" Text Adventure episode you say? Well,

01:06:22   funny you should ask, James! I swear James is a real person. We did put out our Relay

01:06:28   FM membership special. If you're a Relay FM member, you will have gotten our Space Station

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01:06:59   to learn more. But if you would like a taste of what Space Station had to offer, Gray put

01:07:05   together a wonderful video trailer that will be in our show notes as well so you can go

01:07:09   and take a look at that. If you have seen Space Station, even if you think you're not

01:07:14   interested, I implore you to go watch this trailer because it's brilliant. If anything,

01:07:18   just for a visual treat. I absolutely love it. You can go and watch that. So I'll ask

01:07:24   you, Gray, because the text adventure I remember originally was something I really had to sell

01:07:30   you on and it took some time.

01:07:31   I was very resistant to this idea.

01:07:33   But now, it almost feels like you look forward to them.

01:07:37   So I would like to know what you enjoy most about playing those games.

01:07:40   Oh, I totally look forward to them, yeah.

01:07:43   I was deeply resistant. You spent a lot of work getting me to do that first one.

01:07:49   I'll say, this was originally a much bigger idea that I had to bring down

01:07:54   until we got it to a level that Greg was willing to do.

01:07:57   [Laughter]

01:08:00   - This is the hard work of being Myke working with me.

01:08:04   - Everything's a process, it's fine,

01:08:06   it's just how life is.

01:08:07   - I can say I just love doing something

01:08:09   that's different but adjacent.

01:08:14   It hits a real sweet spot for me

01:08:16   that I don't like doing things that are just different

01:08:19   and have nothing to do with anything.

01:08:21   I like that these weird text adventures

01:08:23   are within the Cortex cinematic universe.

01:08:27   - CCU, as it's commonly known.

01:08:29   (laughs)

01:08:31   Yeah, and I like that it's just this weird, different thing.

01:08:36   I love that Jason joins us

01:08:39   and does such an amazing job as the computer.

01:08:41   And like as someone who does these podcasts

01:08:45   where we're like, you and I, we're getting together

01:08:47   and we're talking, it's hard to explain

01:08:50   how much of a different experience it is

01:08:54   to walk into a podcast

01:08:57   where you don't know what's going to happen,

01:09:00   that Myke hasn't prepared fantastic show notes,

01:09:05   as he always does for Cortex,

01:09:06   that I get to look over ahead of time

01:09:08   and have some idea of what is the general structure

01:09:11   of the show, there's none of that.

01:09:12   It's like, oh, I'm gonna sit down

01:09:13   and this mystery is going to be played out before us

01:09:16   and we're going to blindly poke around.

01:09:19   - Literally all we have beforehand that Jason gives us

01:09:23   is the name of the adventure.

01:09:25   So we kind of have an idea of what world we're gonna be in,

01:09:28   whether it's like a Western or like a spooky situation

01:09:32   or a space situation, it's all we know.

01:09:34   - Yeah, it's not very helpful in the actual adventure.

01:09:38   - It doesn't mean anything really.

01:09:40   There was only like, there was one moment

01:09:42   in "Six-Gun Showdown" where understanding the parameters

01:09:46   of a Western situation helped us get through something.

01:09:49   Everything else, it's kind of just, it doesn't matter.

01:09:52   (laughing)

01:09:54   Yeah, so I would say that I enjoy the differentness of it,

01:09:58   and I enjoy, from the perspective of the person

01:10:01   recording a podcast, not having a sense of

01:10:05   where is this going to go, but still feeling secure

01:10:09   that the Snellatron will lead the way.

01:10:12   - I really like that these are pursuits not based in fact.

01:10:17   They are fiction, they're not real,

01:10:21   there's no ramifications of anything,

01:10:23   and we get to play around in a world which is usually full of weird things. I like that.

01:10:30   And I like that it is, I like doing a text adventures because there is only one character

01:10:37   and we have to kind of go through that together and I think that's more fun than for this

01:10:43   if we were playing separate people, maybe. Because we have to agree on something. Or

01:10:49   Or at least that's a good way for us to have started, to understand how to try and negotiate

01:10:53   our way through these situations.

01:10:56   I really, really like it.

01:10:57   Spoiler alert, we don't do very well negotiating.

01:11:01   Yeah.

01:11:02   But I love them.

01:11:05   We get such great feedback that if you are interested, I think you should give it a go,

01:11:11   because they're a lot of fun for us to do, and I think they're a lot of fun to listen

01:11:16   to.

01:11:17   become a Relay FM member and get access to them. And I appreciate James's question,

01:11:21   which allowed me to segue so nicely into talking about the membership. Timothy says, "In a

01:11:27   strictly getting things done way, what is your workflow of your partner when working

01:11:31   on personal projects? Do they have their own GTD system? Do you have a new one? How does

01:11:36   it work?"

01:11:37   Uh, who's, who's going to go first on this question?

01:11:40   I'll go first.

01:11:41   Yes. What is the system between you and now your wife?

01:11:47   So with me and my wife, Adina, we do not share a system because her system conflicts horribly

01:11:54   with my system in that the way that Adina keeps track of projects is wild to me.

01:12:02   What does she do?

01:12:04   Well, she uses reminders but in FantasticOwl.

01:12:11   Which was my recommendation for her because she was using the reminders app and didn't

01:12:15   it but she could keep it all in one place and it works for her.

01:12:19   Oh okay so she's using Fantastical as a different interface to Reminders.

01:12:23   Exactly. Got it. Okay that makes sense.

01:12:26   And that system just doesn't work for me. Like I like projects and like tags and all that kind

01:12:31   of stuff. Like I wouldn't be able to have like a shared Reminders list with her because it wouldn't

01:12:35   work for me and Todoist wouldn't work for her, right? Like our systems are just very opposed.

01:12:40   It's like Adina uses a system which is very akin to what we were talking about before.

01:12:45   She uses just a basic system of getting tasks down.

01:12:50   Right. And that works for her great.

01:12:52   Like it doesn't matter what it is.

01:12:54   They're all just in one big list.

01:12:56   But that's not how I work.

01:12:58   Like I like to have things a little bit more segmented and organized in a different way.

01:13:02   So when we work on a project together.

01:13:06   we kind of, and this is actually, funnily enough,

01:13:09   how me and Steven work together as well,

01:13:11   we communicate about what's needed to be done,

01:13:15   and then we take our own action items

01:13:19   and put them into our own systems.

01:13:21   Like they're not shared in any way.

01:13:23   And then we do what needs to be done

01:13:26   and communicate about the project.

01:13:29   So funnily enough, I guess the two partners in my life,

01:13:32   we have a similar-- - I was gonna say, yes,

01:13:33   two partners.

01:13:34   a similar way of working in that we both manage our independent systems and then communicate

01:13:41   about the projects at hand.

01:13:42   B: My wife doesn't have a system. She's just able to keep track of a ton of stuff

01:13:48   in her head in a way that I would never be able to do. And it totally works for her.

01:13:53   It's funny, I never even really thought about it until I saw this question. It has

01:13:59   never come up in our house, even the idea of like, "Oh, we should have some kind of

01:14:03   shared task management.

01:14:05   We just don't.

01:14:08   I think the closest thing to a system is

01:14:12   if there's something that I need to do,

01:14:14   I will tell her and she will remember.

01:14:16   And if there's something that she needs me to do,

01:14:19   she will tell me and I will never remember

01:14:21   unless it goes straight into my system.

01:14:25   And so I think it's kind of sweet because over time,

01:14:28   she has very much come to understand the concept

01:14:32   of me putting tasks and dates and things in my system

01:14:37   that is a demonstration of caring, right?

01:14:40   It's not a demonstration of,

01:14:43   "Oh, I'm not gonna remember, so I have to write it down."

01:14:45   It's like, "No, this is how I remember."

01:14:47   So that's the interaction between the two of us.

01:14:50   She just remembers,

01:14:51   "I don't have a chance of ever remembering,

01:14:55   so it works its way into my system."

01:14:57   - I don't even know if it is a case of just like,

01:14:59   and I think this might be the same for you.

01:15:01   you could remember it, you just don't trust

01:15:02   that you'll remember it.

01:15:04   - That may have been the case years ago.

01:15:07   I think though that the current me is in a situation

01:15:11   where there is just too much to keep track of,

01:15:15   that I've too many projects and too many things going on

01:15:20   that I really don't think I could manage

01:15:22   without a to-do manager at this point,

01:15:24   and keep all of the various worlds together.

01:15:28   I will just say though that the closest thing

01:15:30   to a system that she does sometimes is,

01:15:34   every once in a while, and this is like maybe

01:15:36   once or twice a year, if she's feeling overwhelmed

01:15:41   with her projects, what I'll see her do,

01:15:44   and then I'll know like, oh, it's busy time now,

01:15:46   like we're serious, is she'll just take her iPad Pro

01:15:51   and her Apple Pencil and open up Notes,

01:15:53   and just handwrite out a bunch of stuff

01:15:55   that she needs to do, and then cross it off one by one.

01:15:59   Like that's the closest to a formal system,

01:16:01   but that is really rare,

01:16:03   and she has to be really busy and really overloaded.

01:16:08   But when I see her bust out the iPad and the pencil

01:16:10   and open up notes and start writing things down,

01:16:12   it's like, oh, busy time.

01:16:14   - Brian asks, "Have either of you found

01:16:16   "any new working games like threes or prison architect

01:16:19   "that stimulate your brain while you work or podcast?"

01:16:23   - I mean, Myke, isn't this now officially part of your job

01:16:27   to find games that you can talk about on one of your many podcasts?

01:16:30   Yeah, I just don't know if I necessarily have games that I would put into the working. So

01:16:40   there are games that I play for work at twitch.tv/playingforfunfm, but that's different to I'm editing a podcast

01:16:49   and playing a video game. They're different things, right? Because, so I would say something

01:16:54   like Stardew Valley, which is what me and Tiff have been streaming a lot recently, it's

01:17:01   a perfect game to play whilst working, in my opinion, because it's so chill, that you

01:17:08   can play it while listening to something and you can very easily separate the two, because

01:17:13   a lot of the time it's walking around and picking up... it is a game which is similar

01:17:17   in ilk to something like Factorio for you, but you just didn't like Stardew, but I think

01:17:22   that there are definite links to those types of games.

01:17:26   But I feel like that's one I've spoken about in the past.

01:17:29   I did see a game that has just come out

01:17:32   and I don't know if it would fit,

01:17:33   but it does look interesting.

01:17:35   And it's called Two Point Hospital.

01:17:37   - Oh, is that the one that Steam is really pushing?

01:17:40   - Yes, because I think it's gonna be a big deal.

01:17:43   It came out like within the last few days.

01:17:45   - Oh yeah, yeah.

01:17:46   Every time I log into Steam,

01:17:48   they're like, "This is the one you should play, buddy."

01:17:50   Because this is like a prison architect, right?

01:17:54   Like it is a, you build a thing and manage it.

01:17:56   But this is made by people that wanted to bring back

01:18:01   the joy of Theme Hospital.

01:18:03   Did you ever play those games like Theme Park World

01:18:06   or Theme Hospital or something?

01:18:07   Did you ever play those?

01:18:09   - I never did.

01:18:09   I was aware of them and they were super popular,

01:18:12   but they just never quite crossed my path.

01:18:14   - What about like Rollercoaster Tycoon?

01:18:17   - Oh, Rollercoaster Tycoon.

01:18:18   That's a different story.

01:18:19   there were many roller coasters built.

01:18:21   - All right, 'cause it's the same ilk, right?

01:18:22   Like those games are all like very similar type thing, right?

01:18:26   - Yeah, it's the same idea.

01:18:27   - I plan to check out Two Point Hospital soon,

01:18:29   like 'cause it does feel like something I might enjoy,

01:18:32   'cause I did like all those games,

01:18:34   but I do tend to like easy mode for all that stuff, right?

01:18:38   Like, the prison architect, I like to just build a prison.

01:18:42   I don't wanna have to deal with like the things happening.

01:18:46   - Yeah, you don't wanna deal with when you alt tab out

01:18:48   to make some edits and then you alt tab back and everything's burned to the ground.

01:18:51   Exactly, that's not my thing. I do want to mention a game which I love, which has

01:18:57   just come out for the Switch, called Into the Breach. Have you ever played FTL faster

01:19:03   than light?

01:19:04   Oh yeah.

01:19:05   Right, it's made by the same developer.

01:19:08   Sold. I don't need to know anything else.

01:19:12   It's a turn-based strategy game. It is really difficult.

01:19:17   But really good.

01:19:20   - Okay, yep, sold immediately.

01:19:21   FTL is so good.

01:19:23   - Yeah.

01:19:24   Oh, it's on Mac now too.

01:19:26   Oh, there you go.

01:19:27   - Great, perfect. - It was previously

01:19:28   just on Windows, but it's on Windows, Mac,

01:19:30   and now Nintendo Switch.

01:19:32   And the Switch version is excellent.

01:19:35   Like they've done a very, very good job

01:19:38   with porting the controls.

01:19:40   'Cause it felt very mouse clicky to me as a game.

01:19:44   Like most real-time strategy games, right?

01:19:46   you're clicking here and then clicking where you want to go or attack.

01:19:48   But it works with the switch very, very nicely.

01:19:52   It's one of the better ways that I've seen like a pointer implemented

01:19:57   in a on a console that has analog sticks like control sticks.

01:20:01   The movement is very fluid.

01:20:03   It feels like it works very well. It has it has a

01:20:06   when you push forward on the analog stick, the movement of the cursor

01:20:11   isn't how it would be on a PC. It moves very differently.

01:20:15   It's hard to describe, but it's not like a linear movement.

01:20:19   It feels like there's some weight to the movement.

01:20:22   Yeah, that pointer to analog stick conversion

01:20:26   is always difficult.

01:20:26   I was worried.

01:20:27   I was worried that this wasn't gonna work very well,

01:20:30   but it works excellently.

01:20:32   So I recommend it on both PC and Switch.

01:20:36   So this is such a good game.

01:20:38   It is punishing, but addictive.

01:20:42   (laughing)

01:20:43   Very, very, very, very good.

01:20:45   Have you got anything new?

01:20:46   - Yeah, I have a new game that I've been playing a lot

01:20:48   for podcast editing.

01:20:51   It's called Northgard.

01:20:52   I wouldn't necessarily recommend it as a mic game,

01:20:57   but I've really enjoyed it.

01:20:58   It's technically an RTS.

01:21:01   Like it's a Viking themed real time strategy overhead,

01:21:05   you know, build a village

01:21:06   and send out soldiers kind of game.

01:21:07   But it's done in such a different way

01:21:14   that describing it as an RTS is completely inaccurate

01:21:17   because generally just don't wanna play

01:21:21   those sorts of games anymore

01:21:22   because they're incredible click fests

01:21:23   and you have to do things quickly.

01:21:25   But the whole pace of the game is just super slow.

01:21:30   Like you expand your territory super slow.

01:21:33   There's lots of limits on how much you can build.

01:21:35   I don't know, it's very hard to explain.

01:21:38   It's like a cross between "Starcraft" and "Civilization"

01:21:44   and almost Settlers of Catan,

01:21:46   that there's these limited resources

01:21:49   that you can get just in different spots.

01:21:51   I don't know, I think if you like RTSs,

01:21:56   it's worth giving a try, but just go into it knowing

01:21:59   that it's a very, very different type of game.

01:22:02   And it does a thing that I really appreciate,

01:22:07   which is, unlike all of these kind of war games,

01:22:12   They actually make it incredibly difficult

01:22:15   to field a lot of military units.

01:22:18   So winning through military victory

01:22:20   is like the hardest way to win.

01:22:22   And there's a bunch of other things that you can do instead.

01:22:24   Like, oh, I'm just gonna research enough technology

01:22:26   or do enough trade or whatever.

01:22:28   But yeah, it's been a kind of perfect podcast editing game

01:22:31   for me, it doesn't move too quickly.

01:22:34   It's nice and slow, it's easy enough to switch in and out of

01:22:36   for doing edits.

01:22:37   So I've really enjoyed it.

01:22:39   It's a beautiful looking game.

01:22:41   Oh, and of course, for anybody who plays the game,

01:22:45   they'll want to know which clan I prefer

01:22:47   and Raven clan all the way.

01:22:50   They're the best.

01:22:50   - I don't think this game would be for me.

01:22:54   - No, this is not for you, Myke.

01:22:56   I 100% don't recommend this for you.

01:22:58   - Yeah, it doesn't feel like my kind of game.

01:23:00   - No, I give this negative three out of 10

01:23:05   on the should Myke play this game score.

01:23:09   Rosemary asks, "Should I buy a Nintendo Switch? And if yes, which game should I get with it?

01:23:17   Important note, I've had RSI issues before." Okay, so here's the thing. Yes, you should

01:23:21   buy it, but you must buy a Pro Controller.

01:23:25   Yeah, oh yeah. Yes. 100%.

01:23:28   The Switch is an incredible portable machine. And if you've had problems with RSI, yes,

01:23:33   you can play it portably, but for incredibly short periods of time and infrequently.

01:23:39   Don't don't.

01:23:40   But the other great thing about being a portable machine is you can still take it everywhere

01:23:44   with you.

01:23:45   You just got to take a pro controller too.

01:23:46   That's what I do when I travel.

01:23:47   I take the Switch with me and I take a pro controller.

01:23:49   Like easy.

01:23:50   It's still you get all the portability, you know, but you just have to carry a controller

01:23:54   too, which is not really that much more.

01:23:57   So that's how I play it.

01:24:00   Start with Zelda or Super Mario Odyssey.

01:24:02   You're going to love one of those games.

01:24:04   Ignore what Gray says.

01:24:05   He doesn't know what he's talking about.

01:24:07   other human beings in the world love one of those. All get Stardew Valley, all get Into

01:24:11   the Breach. No, no, get Mario Kart. Oh yeah, okay, sorry, I forgot about Mario Kart. Get

01:24:18   Mario Kart, or Zelda, or Super Mario Odyssey. Look at those three games, they're very different

01:24:24   games. They're very different games that should definitely, one of those will appeal to you.

01:24:30   Take a look at all of them and if they don't then I can't help you.

01:24:36   I will also say because we're in cross promo mode today, Rosemary is actually a host on

01:24:42   a Relay FM show called Automators which is about automating things in your life.

01:24:48   They focus on iOS and Mac and I believe they are looking to try and expand out to other

01:24:53   platforms maybe the web and Android and PC in the future.

01:24:55   hosted by Rosemary and David Sparks.

01:24:58   It's all about just making computers work for you.

01:25:02   I think a lot of people that listen to this show

01:25:04   would like that show.

01:25:06   - Yeah, yeah.

01:25:07   I met Rosemary this summer at WWDC,

01:25:12   and she introduced me to, oh God, what's it called?

01:25:16   Keyboard Maestro for the Mac.

01:25:19   And it's an amazing program,

01:25:21   but I'm almost annoyed that I know it exists.

01:25:24   It's like she was showing me all this super cool stuff.

01:25:28   And it was like, oh, I sat down with an automation wizard

01:25:32   for an hour before she had to go fly away

01:25:35   and was able to show me just enough to feel like,

01:25:37   I wanna be able to do all of these things.

01:25:39   And then she had to fly away and left me figuring out

01:25:43   all of this keyboard maestro stuff

01:25:46   to try to do with my computer.

01:25:48   So I'm very glad that Automator is out

01:25:50   so she can finally share the rest of her wizard secrets

01:25:52   with how to make this work, 'cause now I have this feeling

01:25:56   like I should be able to automate literally everything

01:25:59   on my computer.

01:25:59   I saw Rosemary do it, but like, I don't know how to do it.

01:26:02   I don't know how to do all these things.

01:26:04   - She does, relay.fm/automaters.

01:26:07   - She came very close to convincing me to learn like,

01:26:09   oh, you gotta learn JavaScript.

01:26:10   I was like, no, I must resist, I must resist.

01:26:12   She's like, no, it's very simple, you can do it.

01:26:15   - Santi says, last we heard, both of you were using

01:26:19   the Logitech MX Master and Awaycom tablet.

01:26:22   What are you using today?

01:26:24   I don't use the Logitech MX Master.

01:26:27   - No, poor Myke. - I can say that for sure.

01:26:30   I'm using a Magic Trackpad

01:26:33   and the Wacom Intuos Pro Medium.

01:26:37   I last week upgraded to the newer model.

01:26:40   Oh, I love the newer model.

01:26:43   - What do you love about it?

01:26:44   - It is bigger.

01:26:45   It has more buttons.

01:26:47   It has eight buttons instead of six

01:26:49   that were on the other medium.

01:26:51   is a slimmer profile and it's much smoother.

01:26:54   And the pen is way better. The pen is way better.

01:26:57   The reason that I upgraded, I don't know why I left it so long honestly.

01:27:01   My pen was basically falling apart every time I pressed it down with any force.

01:27:07   Like the bottom ring would fall off and the button would fall out.

01:27:11   It's just happening a lot to me and I just never upgraded it.

01:27:14   And I could have replaced the pen, but in logic when I'm editing,

01:27:20   All I needed was one more button and I never need to touch the keyboard.

01:27:26   So now I can edit a show entirely just using programmed buttons with the Wacom tablet.

01:27:37   It is wonderful. I love it.

01:27:40   Very nice.

01:27:42   Yeah, I'm very, very happy. So I used that and I also used a Magic Trackpad.

01:27:46   Sometimes I use both when I'm editing.

01:27:48   I also use both of them just to use my Mac on a daily basis.

01:27:52   Now, I saw you recently actually using

01:27:55   a very weird looking mouse.

01:27:58   - Oh, you saw me with the MX Ergo.

01:28:01   That's what you saw me with.

01:28:02   - Yes, what is that like?

01:28:04   Do you use that still?

01:28:05   - Yeah, so I picked one up.

01:28:08   I've always been a really big fan of trackballs.

01:28:11   So like the mouse where,

01:28:13   like the whole mouse has been turned inside out

01:28:15   inside out and upside down.

01:28:17   And you're moving the ball around with your thumb

01:28:19   instead of moving your hand to roll the ball on the desk,

01:28:22   or as in modern mice, the laser.

01:28:24   I do really, really like those.

01:28:28   I think that the MX Ergo is replacing

01:28:34   like this super duper old trackball that Logitech made

01:28:38   and they just hadn't updated.

01:28:39   I do not think that there is a big market in the world

01:28:42   for trackball mice, but this is a really, really good one

01:28:46   if you like trackballs.

01:28:48   So yeah, I'm using that a lot.

01:28:50   What I've sort of changed is I was taking it out

01:28:53   for a test spin when you saw me using it.

01:28:56   And it's not going to be the thing that I take with me

01:29:01   when traveling because it's kind of great

01:29:06   to be able to sit on a plane and use a pointing device

01:29:09   that you don't have to physically move around,

01:29:11   but it's just a little big as an object

01:29:14   to carry with me in my suitcase.

01:29:17   So I'm using the Logitech little mini mouse,

01:29:22   the one that's like, it's symmetrical,

01:29:24   so you can switch hands, which is super important to me.

01:29:27   But no, I really do like that trackball, it's great.

01:29:30   And just because of my RSI issues,

01:29:32   I rotate between just a bunch of different input devices.

01:29:36   Sometimes I'm using the tablet,

01:29:38   sometimes I'm using a trackball,

01:29:39   sometimes I'm using a mouse,

01:29:40   Sometimes I'm using it with my left hand, sometimes I'm using it with my right hand.

01:29:44   I'm trying to evenly wear all of the articulating equipment to try to minimise RSI issues.

01:29:52   Lamar wants to know, Grey, have there been any updates on the hunt for a "cortility bag"?

01:29:58   Lamar didn't use these words, but that's what we'll call it, because we know how things go around here.

01:30:03   Any updates on finding a "cortility bag" which fits your specific purpose?

01:30:08   I almost feel speechless that you're asking me this question, Myke.

01:30:13   How dare you?

01:30:14   After the tremendous, tremendous rain of shame

01:30:19   that you tried to bring down upon my head

01:30:24   over wanting a little bag in which to carry objects.

01:30:29   What I thought was totally, totally a reasonable thing.

01:30:34   Oh, maybe there's some things that I want to carry.

01:30:36   "Oh, my pockets are very small.

01:30:38   How can I solve this problem in an inconspicuous manner?"

01:30:42   I can't even believe that you are bringing this up again.

01:30:49   - I'll ask you a quick question, actually,

01:30:50   while you're referring to this reign of shame.

01:30:52   Did you ever speak to Mrs. Grey about this?

01:30:56   - Yeah, no, she's a hard veto.

01:30:58   - All right, so great.

01:30:59   I just wanted to just make sure that, like,

01:31:02   you know, you can make it sound like

01:31:04   I had something to do with this decision.

01:31:07   But you would do this whether I agreed with it or not.

01:31:10   If you don't have a fertility bag,

01:31:12   that's nothing to do with me.

01:31:15   - Oh, it's a lot to do with you, buddy.

01:31:16   I'll tell you that.

01:31:18   I'll tell you that.

01:31:19   Yeah, no, because look,

01:31:21   like you started basically like,

01:31:22   there was like a six degrees of separation,

01:31:25   anti-cortility bag campaign that you were waging against me.

01:31:30   And so, uh, my, my wife found out about the very fact that I was interested in a

01:31:36   courtility bag, not from you.

01:31:38   I don't know what you're talking about.

01:31:39   Look, all I know is she got some instant messages from people who weren't you,

01:31:45   but had found out about this, this ruckus that you're kicking up.

01:31:48   And there was a hard veto on a courtility bag being added to my everyday wear.

01:31:56   I'm still putting the blame 100% on you.

01:31:58   I was hugely dispirited after that episode

01:32:03   and sadly just gave up my search for a courtility bag.

01:32:08   But I'm not letting this rest.

01:32:14   This dream is not dying.

01:32:16   I just need to regroup a little bit on this one.

01:32:19   I'll find a solution.

01:32:21   - In the meantime, you became a man of pockets.

01:32:24   - Is this something you really wanna bring up now, Myke?

01:32:28   We've spoken about this!

01:32:29   Is this something that you wanted to?

01:32:30   Because you teased the fact that you were wearing a pocket shirt that you thought I didn't notice

01:32:35   when we recorded in person, but I definitely did notice, but I didn't want to bring attention to.

01:32:40   Well how am I supposed to hold things without pockets?

01:32:43   I don't understand.

01:32:45   Especially during the summer.

01:32:46   There's so many things to hold during the summer.

01:32:49   You gotta put them somewhere, Myke.

01:32:50   Did you take a lot of pictures with that camera you wanted?

01:32:55   I've had enough of this conversation.

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