63: Flower Garden


00:00:00   Did you buy an iMac Pro?

00:00:02   Uh, why do you ask Myke?

00:00:03   I just wanna know.

00:00:04   I did buy an iMac Pro.

00:00:06   Are you using it right now?

00:00:07   No. I'm not.

00:00:09   I'm not using it right now.

00:00:11   Do you have it?

00:00:12   I do have it.

00:00:13   Okay.

00:00:14   It's a complicated story Myke.

00:00:15   Have you ever used it?

00:00:19   I can't understand where you would put it.

00:00:21   'Cause I assume you're at home right now.

00:00:23   I mean you never know where I am when I'm recording.

00:00:26   I never really know where you are, that is true.

00:00:29   I am often surprised wherever you are.

00:00:32   We have a topic that will lead into this in some sense, but now I do have an iMac Pro.

00:00:38   I have used the iMac Pro.

00:00:40   I am in London recording with you, but I am not currently using that iMac Pro.

00:00:47   So it is elsewhere at this moment.

00:00:49   Do you like the iMac Pro?

00:00:50   But it's pretty great!

00:00:51   Oh, okay, you really like it.

00:00:52   It's pretty great!

00:00:53   Okay.

00:00:54   It is nice to have a computer that's super fast and it's also nice to, because when we

00:01:03   were in that valley of darkness with Apple for a while, I had this feeling of like, "Oh

00:01:08   Apple, let me just throw some money at you so I can get a faster computer.

00:01:12   You name a number and I'll write you a check, Apple.

00:01:14   I just need a faster computer."

00:01:16   And it is nice that now with the iMac Pro, in a way, Apple has called the bluff on like,

00:01:21   write a check because it's like, "Apple can ask for a check that I am not willing to write."

00:01:26   It's really nice that there exists a computer where you have to make decisions about what is it that you actually want out of this machine

00:01:34   because it means that the theoretical maximum computing threshold is beyond you.

00:01:41   It's not where you currently are right now.

00:01:44   I really hated that feeling of, "I have the fastest computer, there's no faster computer that I can possibly buy,

00:01:50   and it's not fast enough.

00:01:52   So yeah, the iMac Pro is very fast.

00:01:55   There are some crazy configurations out there

00:01:58   that make it super expensive.

00:02:00   I did not go for the super crazy expensive

00:02:03   iMac Pro configurations, but I got a good one

00:02:06   and it is very impressive.

00:02:10   I really like it.

00:02:11   And of course, when you get a new computer,

00:02:15   how do you test it out?

00:02:16   Well, you gotta load up a game and see how the game plays.

00:02:20   And so of course, as soon as the computer was set up,

00:02:24   the very first thing that I put on it

00:02:27   was American Truck Simulator,

00:02:29   so I could get a real sense of how it was.

00:02:31   - And how did it run?

00:02:32   Did it run good?

00:02:33   - It was beautiful, Myke.

00:02:34   - Oh, yeah.

00:02:35   - It was absolutely beautiful.

00:02:37   - So I was just thinking about like,

00:02:39   what do you use it for, right?

00:02:41   Like what is your use for such a powerful machine?

00:02:44   And I was gonna make a joke about like,

00:02:47   what are you, some kind of pro video producer,

00:02:49   having completely forgot that you make YouTube videos,

00:02:52   for a moment was like, what do you need it for?

00:02:56   You just edit podcasts.

00:02:57   What do you, and you don't even do all the editing.

00:03:00   What do you need it for?

00:03:02   Seriously, I was gonna make a joke about you being MKBHD

00:03:05   or something making YouTube videos.

00:03:07   Turns out you do make YouTube videos,

00:03:10   so I understand why you might want it,

00:03:11   because I know that like a lot of the stuff

00:03:15   that you do in video,

00:03:15   you can always throw more power at it, right?

00:03:18   And I would assume that's why one of the reasons you bought the machine was because it can

00:03:22   just make your video process a lot nicer.

00:03:25   Because it turns out you do make those YouTube videos.

00:03:27   Yeah, I do make YouTube videos.

00:03:30   There are a number of... it's easy to forget.

00:03:32   I mean there are so many things that I do, Myke.

00:03:35   Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:03:36   My professional biography is long.

00:03:38   Very long.

00:03:39   And includes very many things.

00:03:40   Full of projects of secret and public nature.

00:03:43   Yeah, many things.

00:03:44   But Faster Computer is great and with YouTube videos and with lots of other stuff.

00:03:51   The increased power makes a real difference.

00:03:55   Even for things just like if I'm making the YouTube videos for podcasts that are being

00:04:00   uploaded, like you're uploading a two and a half hour video, like exporting that kind

00:04:05   of thing takes a long time.

00:04:06   It takes a very long time.

00:04:07   I am always surprised at one, how long it is and two, how big the files are when it's

00:04:13   just like a static image and two hours of audio. It's like oh here's here is a

00:04:20   nine gigabyte file and it's like uh Final Cut what are you doing? But I guess

00:04:25   that's it is what it is right? Yeah it is it is what it is but I've got to say

00:04:32   it's it's really it's a really impressive machine and it does run

00:04:35   American Truck Simulator pretty great on there. I put on the little steam overlay

00:04:40   to see how many frames per second I was getting and it was very impressive but

00:04:43   But on a more practical level, I loaded up one of the files I've made reference to a few times on the show,

00:04:50   like these multi-terabyte Final Cut Pro projects that I have.

00:04:55   And the thing that I wanted to--

00:04:58   So Final Cut has this feature where it does background rendering when you open up a project,

00:05:03   and that is always a thing that takes absolutely forever.

00:05:07   But Final Cut has been updated to take advantage of multi-core machines.

00:05:12   And so I uploaded the biggest Final Cut project I could find on my computer

00:05:17   and I just wanted to see how it handled it.

00:05:19   And it was just astounding to see these multiple cores just tear through the background rendering like it was nothing.

00:05:27   And I was like, "Whoa! This is really impressive!"

00:05:31   And it is one of these cases where the machine makes you very aware of

00:05:36   What programs take advantage of multiple cores and what programs do not take advantage of multiple cores?

00:05:42   Because the things that have been written to take advantage of multiple cores

00:05:45   It's just it's such an incredible increase in speed

00:05:50   That it's it's really just fantastic. So I love the machine. It is great

00:05:55   I'm glad that Apple has made a like a real top-end computer again

00:06:00   So I'm really pleased with it and it comes in space gray. It looks great. Looks looks great

00:06:06   No more stupid aluminum.

00:06:08   Well, it's still aluminum.

00:06:10   Or aluminium.

00:06:12   Yeah, but not the aluminum colour.

00:06:14   Gosh, I can't believe I said that.

00:06:16   Seems like you spend too much time

00:06:18   podcasting with Americans.

00:06:20   Yeah, something like that.

00:06:22   I presume that you are not going to get one of the iMac Pros?

00:06:26   No, no, I don't need it.

00:06:28   I don't need it and I don't particularly want it.

00:06:31   It's more computer than I require

00:06:34   require for what I'm doing.

00:06:37   It would make some things quicker,

00:06:38   but honestly I don't do a lot of that stuff very often.

00:06:41   Like noise removal and they're like some of the most

00:06:46   intensive tasks that you can do in audio editing

00:06:48   is like doing something to improve the quality of the audio.

00:06:51   But by and large, the majority of people that I record with

00:06:56   are in stable environments that don't really require

00:06:58   a lot of work to be done to them.

00:07:00   So honestly, I'm good.

00:07:03   and all of my wait time,

00:07:05   my workflow is pretty optimized at this point,

00:07:08   so that if I'm waiting for something to export,

00:07:11   I'm doing something else, like I'm not twiddling my thumbs.

00:07:14   I've got, you know, I publish so many podcasts now

00:07:17   that I have my routine, and I'm never sitting

00:07:21   and waiting for my iMac to do something.

00:07:24   - Yeah. - So the iMac Pro

00:07:26   doesn't make sense to me.

00:07:26   I am personally holding out to see

00:07:30   whatever the Mac Pro looks like.

00:07:32   the purpose of buying a machine that will last me 10 years.

00:07:37   If the Mac Pro is as modular as I hope it's going to be,

00:07:42   that you will truly be able to replace and upgrade parts

00:07:46   over a long period of time,

00:07:47   if that seems like that is a possibility,

00:07:49   that may be the next machine that I buy.

00:07:52   I'm just less interested in exciting Macs now, right?

00:07:57   Like, a mic of like five years ago

00:08:00   probably would have bought the iMac Pro

00:08:02   because it's the newest and most exciting Mac.

00:08:04   I don't really have that feeling anymore.

00:08:06   Obviously, the iOS is where my excitement is.

00:08:10   So I am keen to own a machine that I can upgrade

00:08:15   over a long period of time for a smaller amount of money

00:08:19   than buying a new computer every three years

00:08:21   to try and keep up with the latest and greatest.

00:08:24   So that's kind of where my attention

00:08:26   is a little bit more now,

00:08:27   is seeing what the Mac Pro looks like.

00:08:30   But I have no desire or need to do anything about my Mac setup right now

00:08:37   because I have a iMac 5K which I've had for like

00:08:40   maybe like 18 months or something like that

00:08:42   and it feels as fast to me as the day I bought it.

00:08:46   Like I have no problem with this machine.

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00:10:49   Okay, Myke, so you want to know where the iMac Pro is.

00:10:54   And this gets us straight to the heart of the first topic that I wanted to talk about,

00:11:01   which is I wanted to give a little bit of an update on the year of order and how that's going.

00:11:09   You need to put more... I feel like I need to add a sound effect every time you say it.

00:11:15   like a thunderclap or like you know like modulate the voice a little bit

00:11:20   no just leave it just leave it on mic there's no need for that i think i think people can hear like

00:11:25   the capital o in order i think that i think that comes across they can hear that in their mind

00:11:29   there's no need for it of course there's no need for it right but you know it might be nice yeah so

00:11:36   um so i i have an i have an idea with the show this year to check in a little bit more regularly

00:11:44   about what's going on with the Year of Order.

00:11:46   And that's partly because I was really aware last year

00:11:51   that we didn't touch in very often on what was going with the Year of Redirection/Chaos.

00:11:57   And that was partly because a lot of the things that were going on there

00:12:00   it didn't make sense to talk about on the podcast.

00:12:02   It was chaos. I mean, how do you check in on chaos?

00:12:04   Yeah, and that was the other thing. It was chaos.

00:12:07   It wouldn't have been very hard at any particular point

00:12:09   to have a meaningful conversation about what was going on during that.

00:12:13   because it was just less structured.

00:12:15   But the year of order lends itself to that.

00:12:17   - Yeah, I think we spent more time

00:12:20   talking about my year theme, right?

00:12:21   Because there was stuff going on,

00:12:24   like hiring people.

00:12:26   - Yeah, it made more sense.

00:12:27   - Handing over tasks, right?

00:12:28   There were things that I could kind of point to

00:12:30   as a thing to make a difference in my year,

00:12:32   where yours was a little bit more ad hoc, I think,

00:12:35   as it was going through. - Yeah, without a doubt.

00:12:38   And so I like the idea of checking in more regularly.

00:12:41   I also like the idea that to go along with the theme itself,

00:12:44   knowing that we'll check in regularly on the podcast

00:12:47   is a kind of structure,

00:12:48   and structures belong in the year of order.

00:12:51   - Would you say a structure is kind of like a schedule?

00:12:53   - (laughs)

00:12:54   It's kind of like a schedule,

00:12:56   but schedules are a different sort of thing, Myke.

00:12:59   I don't like schedules.

00:13:00   - You like structure. - Structure.

00:13:02   Structure I like. - Not schedules.

00:13:03   - Structure, routine, these are good things.

00:13:06   - Wait, routine?

00:13:07   - Schedules, deadlines, no.

00:13:10   - Thumbs down. - Routine, yes, yes.

00:13:12   - It's highly different, like.

00:13:15   - I like due dates, not deadlines.

00:13:19   - Yeah. (laughing)

00:13:21   It's subtle, you know, it's like a subtle difference

00:13:23   of flavor, but it's there, you know,

00:13:25   when you're really highly attuned to these sorts of things.

00:13:29   So here's my idea for this first check-in, which is,

00:13:34   I have this real feeling like the year of order

00:13:37   is going to be a very big, intensive, long project

00:13:41   'cause there's a lot of stuff that I wanna do.

00:13:43   And I'm already sort of breaking it down.

00:13:47   And the first part of this that I realize works out

00:13:52   really well in the beginning of the year

00:13:55   for a bunch of things is the idea of

00:13:59   setting up my physical space.

00:14:04   That there's a lot, when I think about,

00:14:06   how do I work, what are the environments in which I work, that over the last year, again, were sort of thrown into chaos for a variety of reasons.

00:14:15   And because of a bunch of my thoughts about the ways people work or how people can work effectively,

00:14:25   I really think that the environment in which you work is this real foundation upon which everything else rests.

00:14:36   And so here I mean the physical environment that you are in.

00:14:40   So I've decided that this is, as the winter season draws to a close, this is my focus.

00:14:47   Like, before winter ends, I want to have redone the physical spaces in which I work.

00:14:55   So this is like project one for the Year of Order.

00:14:58   And it happens to work out well that this is the first thing that I want to do,

00:15:01   because while ultimately I want to be really back into a solid working routine,

00:15:07   there's still some stuff in my life right now that's like left over from the previous year of Redirection/Chaos

00:15:14   that's going to be with me for a while.

00:15:15   So it's like, I can't start on the really heavy routine stuff just yet, so I'm going

00:15:20   to be working on this foundational part at the beginning.

00:15:24   So, which physical space are we talking about?

00:15:27   Which of your many offices are we talking about here?

00:15:32   Or all of them?

00:15:33   Okay, Myke.

00:15:34   I have a diagram for you.

00:15:35   I'm going to send you a little diagram to take a look at.

00:15:38   Okay.

00:15:39   Okay.

00:15:40   Oh, my.

00:15:41   This is very messy.

00:15:43   Yeah.

00:15:44   Just to be clear.

00:15:45   And I'm happy to put this in the show notes.

00:15:47   Just yesterday, I was having multiple flights in the same day, which is always great.

00:15:55   Many more travel, racking up those airline miles, you know, keep my golden ticket.

00:16:00   [HUMMING]

00:16:02   [LAUGHTER]

00:16:06   Just as fun.

00:16:07   So while I was on the flight, I was trying to use that time well,

00:16:11   because airplane time is a strange time.

00:16:14   And one of the things that I do find is useful to do with that time is

00:16:19   thinking about stuff on a like a higher level or just

00:16:23   brainstorming or doing those sorts of things. So what I did was I brought my iPad with me on the trip and

00:16:28   opened up good old GoodNotes and

00:16:31   what I decided to do was a thing that I had mentioned I think related to one of the Ask Cortex questions last time

00:16:37   which was I started to

00:16:40   draw out

00:16:42   What are the different devices in my life, and what do I want to use them for?

00:16:47   And then this ended up becoming much more along the ideas of, okay, how am I going to

00:16:54   set up the physical spaces in my life? So,

00:16:58   there's two things in this very messy diagram, but I have the idea of, there are some devices.

00:17:06   So it's like, I have my iPhone.

00:17:09   I have the new iMac Pro.

00:17:11   I have a laptop.

00:17:12   I have iPads.

00:17:14   Like, I have machines.

00:17:15   Like, what are each of these machines for?

00:17:19   And then also trying to overlap that with the idea of...

00:17:23   I have different physical spaces in which I can be.

00:17:27   Which devices belong where?

00:17:30   Right, which devices go where?

00:17:32   So the main thing here is, I feel like there's three spaces.

00:17:38   I have a home office, which is where I am right now in my apartment.

00:17:43   I have the glass cube that we have discussed previously,

00:17:48   which is in a separate building from where I am now.

00:17:51   And then I think of... it doesn't quite make sense maybe to people,

00:17:56   But I do think of my phone as a kind of omnipresent space.

00:18:04   That this is a device and a space that is just with me all of the time wherever I am.

00:18:09   So it has like overlap with other areas.

00:18:13   So this is the division.

00:18:15   Like thinking about how is my phone going to work,

00:18:18   and then thinking about what is going to happen in my home office,

00:18:22   what is going to happen in the glass cube,

00:18:26   and then also because I was on a plane thinking about,

00:18:30   since my travel does not seem to be decreasing

00:18:34   over the next year, thinking a little bit about

00:18:37   what does my mobile working space look like

00:18:41   and trying to draw out what devices do what where.

00:18:46   How does this diagram look to you, Myke?

00:18:48   - I have a lot of questions about this diagram.

00:18:51   Okay, why don't you start with some questions because otherwise I will just talk forever in a vague way

00:18:56   So let me know what is confusing to you about this diagram. Yeah, I want to go down from the top

00:19:01   So we have the phone morning and afternoon. Are they the same device? Just want to just double check or is that they're two different devices

00:19:08   Yes, I have one phone one phone using my iPhone X

00:19:12   But I made I made a little division about the device is

00:19:17   different in the morning and it's different in the afternoon about what

00:19:21   what should it do or what should I be doing with the device at these times.

00:19:26   But there isn't anything that you're doing to really restrict what the device does

00:19:30   right because you kind of can't do that this is more of a mental thing.

00:19:35   There's two parts here it is a bit of a mental thing because Apple's notification

00:19:39   system is terrible and is not very good compared to the competition but there is

00:19:44   a physical thing that is happening that I'm still using the system we've

00:19:47   we've discussed before where I have two different Apple watches and this is my way of...

00:19:52   That's what the S2 and the S3 is. That's my next question.

00:19:55   Yeah.

00:19:56   That's Apple Watch Series 2 and Apple Watch Series 3. Okay.

00:19:59   Correct. You can with two watches kind of fake or trick the iPhone into having different

00:20:07   sorts of behaviors.

00:20:08   Because you can turn on different notifications for different applications on each watch independently,

00:20:14   right?

00:20:15   That's correct. So the idea is in the morning with my series to watch the only kinds of

00:20:21   notifications that we'll get through are notifications

00:20:24   from myself to myself.

00:20:27   So these are things like I have started a timer and I want a notification about when that timer ends or

00:20:33   if there's a calendar event that I put on the calendar previously that I will have forgotten about in that morning

00:20:39   or things like alerts from task managers, right? Those are the only sorts of things

00:20:44   that should get through the device through my phone in the morning and the

00:20:50   only way I can do it is to say that the phone is totally silent, the phone does

00:20:55   no notifications, but the Series 2 watch is configured to just allow notifications

00:21:01   from those three classes of device. Okay and then I can see the afternoon is when

00:21:09   and you allow people to contact you,

00:21:12   you've got iMessage and Slack,

00:21:14   but still no email, outgoing email only,

00:21:18   is, and I get that, I get that, I understand.

00:21:20   I mean, sure, I couldn't work and would never work that way,

00:21:23   but I know that you have in the past,

00:21:24   so I understand, I get that, like I get what's going on here.

00:21:28   - Your business, I think many people's businesses

00:21:30   would totally fall apart

00:21:31   without more frequent contact with email.

00:21:33   - Yeah.

00:21:34   - But yeah, for me, by far and away,

00:21:37   the two biggest things that disrupt my life,

00:21:40   but that I still do need to pay attention to

00:21:43   are iMessage and Slack.

00:21:44   And those are the things where it's like, man,

00:21:47   if I get a Slack message in the morning,

00:21:49   it can really derail the day

00:21:51   where I start thinking about a thing

00:21:52   that doesn't really need to be thought about now.

00:21:55   But so in the afternoon when I swap watches,

00:21:59   then the messages from iMessage and Slack can get through.

00:22:04   And it is just, it is simply,

00:22:07   I did try for a little while to not even have Slack on my phone, but that crosses a line

00:22:13   of like, the convenience of having all of my business-related messaging on the phone

00:22:20   is just too great to remove it from the phone.

00:22:24   Because removing it from the phone then turns me into an incredible bottleneck where lots

00:22:30   of things that just require my approval or like one sentence of input, like then this

00:22:35   suddenly becomes a multi-day process about like, when have I opened up Slack on my computer?

00:22:40   So I have it as this case of like in the afternoons, that's when I'm going to get notifications

00:22:47   from my message and from Slack and I'm managing that by swapping out the watches.

00:22:50   Matt F: Slack is too important. Like you make it that, right? Like I know I have, I know

00:22:56   you have, we spoke about it in the past, right? You end up eventually, cause you think it's

00:23:00   great, right? Like it's great. It's a great system. You end up putting too much stuff

00:23:03   into it and therefore you make it too important and you've just moved the stuff.

00:23:07   Still better than email, but it still just becomes a big bucket of responsibilities.

00:23:13   Yeah, I definitely still have very conflicted feelings about Slack in a way that I didn't

00:23:18   when I first started it, but the big difference there is like for my company's Slack and the

00:23:24   Slacks of other companies that I'm involved with, fundamentally they're still invitation-only

00:23:32   systems.

00:23:33   So unlike email, where anybody in the whole world can be sending messages and stuff can

00:23:38   come in from all over the place, sure, Slack is still kind of an overwhelming mess, but

00:23:44   at least it has a clearly defined perimeter.

00:23:48   It's like people you know you want to hear from before you've heard from them.

00:23:52   Exactly, yeah.

00:23:54   That's what's happening there.

00:23:55   And it is also, again, like a more limited section of people I have frequent work contact

00:24:01   with as well, whereas as email is just it's just too expansive and so yeah as as you can see from

00:24:07   my note there I do have it set up on on my phone I have a special email account that just allows

00:24:12   me to send messages out if for some reason I need to send a message from my phone. It's a Gmail

00:24:17   account that I set up and all that Gmail account has is a single rule that all messages it receives

00:24:24   it forwards on to my real email account so I can deal with them at like a my desktop computer but

00:24:30   but I can still send a message from an email address that's like, "Gray is just using his

00:24:35   phone and won't actually be able to reply from this email address at gmail.com."

00:24:41   Right, like that's the email address.

00:24:42   And I'm assuming that there is a very limited amount of people that get email from that

00:24:46   account, just by the nature of the way it's set up.

00:24:50   Yeah, I use it more than you might think, but it's still not a lot.

00:24:54   It's still not a lot.

00:24:55   I mean, I imagine you're using it a lot, but I can't imagine it is a very large group of

00:24:59   people because if you don't see what's coming in, you don't know why you would need to contact

00:25:04   someone so it's just something that pops into your head, I would assume, most of the time.

00:25:08   Yeah, what usually happens is exactly that. A thing that pops into my head that I want

00:25:12   to tell a person who is not in one of the slacks that I manage, right? Like that's usually

00:25:19   the use case there. And so it's like, okay, now I need to send an outgoing message to

00:25:23   a person that I would not invite into the gray company slack because it doesn't make

00:25:27   any sense because they're not actually involved in the company, but I still need to send them

00:25:30   a message. So that's the way that works. And like I said, what I'm trying to manage here

00:25:36   is this idea that the phone is with me all the time. And so it is a kind of environment.

00:25:43   And what I'm really trying to optimize for here is the phone should be as minimally disruptive

00:25:50   as possible. And I have, part of while I was on my Gray Industries corporate retreat for

00:25:57   one, I was doing some of the pre-work for this, I really went through my phone again

00:26:01   and just uninstalled absolutely everything I could think of that wasn't totally vital.

00:26:08   Oh, interesting. I feel like I want to see that. Maybe we'll get into that.

00:26:15   [Laughter]

00:26:15   AO I find it so interesting just how many apps are still on my phone. When this comes up with

00:26:23   people, I find it interesting that it's like, if we do phone comparisons, I'm often like the weird,

00:26:28   I'm like a weird Luddite with the way I use my phone where it seems like it's so limited.

00:26:33   But then at the same time, there's still something like 100 apps on my phone.

00:26:38   I just think it's an interesting commentary on modern life, how vital and important this piece

00:26:44   of technology is, and that even what most people would regard as crazy bear minimal use still

00:26:51   covers an incredible range of possible activities. So I just find that an interesting commentary on

00:26:59   the modern world. The largest section of this

00:27:04   diagram is contained within the glass cube.

00:27:09   So I am naturally assuming that you're out of home office

00:27:12   is where you're spending the majority of your work time now.

00:27:15   OK, Myke, let's get into this.

00:27:17   OK.

00:27:19   Glass cube.

00:27:20   One of the things that I decided to do

00:27:22   as part of the Year of Order was I have recently

00:27:26   upgraded my glass cube.

00:27:28   So I've gotten a bigger glass cube.

00:27:32   It's still--

00:27:32   That's the way to fix it.

00:27:34   It's still a glass cube. It's still weird. It still feels somehow like I'm working at Facebook during the day, except with glass barriers.

00:27:45   It's very strange. But I got a bigger space because of a bunch of things that I thought I want to do with this space.

00:27:53   And I was trying to think very intentionally about like, okay, what am I going to do here?

00:27:58   And what I have decided is that the thing that makes the most sense is that the glass cube is going to be like a forge of creation.

00:28:12   That this is where the kind of work that I do in this space is going to be the creative work in one way or another.

00:28:22   So there's a bunch of projects that relate to this.

00:28:25   But one of the main things that I've done is I have taken one of my older computers

00:28:32   and I have turned it into a dedicated writing station.

00:28:37   So the reason I got a bigger glass cube is because I wanted to fit not one, but two desks into the space.

00:28:45   Because one of those desks is going to be, or I should say is, because it's already set up now,

00:28:51   It is a standing desk that has a computer that is only used for writing.

00:28:58   And I've set it up sort of like the same idea with the phone,

00:29:01   like I want to pare this down to the minimum number of things required.

00:29:06   That writing computer is only going to have the three or four apps on it

00:29:14   that I need to actually do the writing.

00:29:17   And it's gone so far as like the account that I log in on that computer,

00:29:20   It's not logged into iCloud. I've set up things that I can do everything through Dropbox or separate thinking services.

00:29:26   So it's like that account has nothing on it really, except Evernote and

00:29:33   Ulysses as the two main programs that I need. It's like here's

00:29:37   research notes that I have and then here's the main program that I use for writing. And so when I turn that thing on it's like

00:29:44   these are the only apps that are here. There's nothing else for you when you're standing at this desk,

00:29:50   This is what you're going to do end of story. So that's that's part one of the glass cube. What is that computer?

00:29:56   that computer is a

00:29:59   15 inch MacBook Pro that I've connected to some external monitors so that it's set up

00:30:06   What do you mean of course it is

00:30:11   Did you think it was going to be an iPad is that what you were asking?

00:30:15   Well, it was forever before and I don't know, just like as a machine that is single purpose

00:30:22   with just a couple of applications on that you can attach an external keyboard to. I

00:30:27   don't know. Whatever, man. Whatever floats your boat.

00:30:30   So I'll tell you something. This is sort of gets to a little bit of the things that are

00:30:33   later on. But one of the like the meta themes of the Year of Order when I was trying to

00:30:39   think about like setting up these physical spaces is it's kind of a funny thing that

00:30:45   But a little while ago, I bought myself a new backpack.

00:30:48   I was like, "Ooh, look at this. Look at this great backpack. This thing is fantastic."

00:30:52   And my backpack that I was using previously was a little run-down, and I thought,

00:30:57   "Yeah, this needs a replacement. Let me get a new one."

00:30:59   I need to save future Myke.

00:31:01   Okay.

00:31:02   Please tell me the name of the backpack.

00:31:04   Oh, I don't know.

00:31:05   You can't just say, like, "I got an amazing backpack," and then not...

00:31:09   And then, like, you know, me, I'm just wondering, fielding the questions, right?

00:31:14   Right like what's the backpack goes it linked to the backpack? I need to see the backpack

00:31:19   It must have a name on it. It must there must be a label

00:31:23   Something something I've got it. I've got it right here

00:31:26   Doesn't look like there's a label. I mean I like it there's got to be something

00:31:33   Where did you get the backpack?

00:31:37   Why would I remember where I got it? What did you buy in a physical suit? Did you buy it online?

00:31:43   It looks like there's a P... there's a P D written on it?

00:31:48   P D? Does that help you, Myke?

00:31:50   No, it doesn't help me.

00:31:52   Does it help if I say it's maybe the best backpack in the world?

00:31:55   But I don't know what it's called.

00:31:58   It has a... there's like a great... you can hear it.

00:32:01   There's like these fancy metal clasps.

00:32:04   You can change the interior volume around.

00:32:06   It's fantastic. Whatever, you know.

00:32:08   No, it's not whatever. If you bought it on Amazon,

00:32:11   you can get the information.

00:32:13   No, I didn't buy it on Amazon. I bought it directly from the website.

00:32:16   Well then you can open your email app and just type "backpack" into the search field.

00:32:21   I'll find it for you later, Myke.

00:32:23   No, you won't though.

00:32:25   Alright, okay. I just need this to be shown as testament to the fact that I tried.

00:32:29   I'm searching "backpack"...

00:32:33   I've got too many emails with the word "backpack" in them.

00:32:37   Not the most recent one though!

00:32:40   No, but you know like

00:32:42   Amazon is showing yeah, there's nothing I type in backpack and I've got like a hundred emails here

00:32:47   I don't see anything that's obviously the receipt from the company. Do you think people will ask you gray about the backpack?

00:32:53   Right. I was going through ask all attacks questions today

00:32:56   And there was somebody asking about our backpacks based upon like episode 3

00:33:02   Right. Yeah, that's that's what I'm thinking of it because at that point you didn't give the name of your backpack

00:33:08   So I am still getting those questions

00:33:10   So

00:33:13   You know, I just you know, I just need people to know that I tried to get the name. I found it. I found it. Okay

00:33:19   Okay

00:33:21   It's on the on the interior cover of the backpack by a company called peak design

00:33:27   That's what it is. Okay, so

00:33:30   It's called the everyday

00:33:34   backpack. Okay. I got it now. I think that's that's the okay. You good? Yeah, this is really good

00:33:40   Somehow I knew you were not gonna relax until I could no because I know when I know my future

00:33:47   I know what my future is, you know, and it was just full of like your future is fielding these questions

00:33:53   Yeah for forever. Yeah

00:33:55   Now I got it. It does look like a really nice bag actually. Oh man. Yeah, I just bought a new bag

00:34:02   I don't need another one, but this looks like a really nice bag. It is a really great bag

00:34:07   I bought a Tom Bihn Synapse backpack by the way, just so people don't ask what backpack I bought. Okay. Yeah, there you go

00:34:13   yeah, it's

00:34:16   It looks like it is ostensibly designed for cameras camera

00:34:19   Yeah

00:34:20   exactly like camera professionals and that

00:34:22   Is like when I bought my original backpack and I made that comment about how I was looking into like what do runners use because I?

00:34:28   I was trying to find the lightest backpack possible and I felt like, oh runners will use

00:34:31   Super light backpacks than I found when I really liked. It was the same thing with this. I was trying to think about

00:34:35   Equipment and I was like surely there must be backpacks that like wedding photographers would use

00:34:41   What is the professional solution to this and that's how I stumbled upon this this bag. Yeah

00:34:47   But so it is great. However, I bring all of this up because

00:34:52   it was an interesting thing to realize that I've got this backpack and I have

00:34:58   hardly used it in the past several months of having it because

00:35:04   I realized it's like, "Wait a minute.

00:35:08   I didn't buy this backpack for me.

00:35:13   I bought this backpack

00:35:16   for the me I used to be."

00:35:18   I used to be the person who spent all day

00:35:21   wandering around the city in different mobile locations and working very mobily.

00:35:27   Like, I haven't been that guy in a long time, and I recognize that some of my habits have changed where

00:35:34   I'm just much more in a smaller number of more permanent locations.

00:35:39   And so it was making me think very deliberately about my workspace, and so

00:35:45   one of the reasons that I did go with a Mac for my writing station is I was thinking about, like, I don't need

00:35:55   to optimize this space for mobility.

00:35:59   I don't need to optimize this space for the situation where

00:36:03   I'm gonna just grab that iPad on my way out the door

00:36:06   and I'm gonna use that one iPad as my writing iPad.

00:36:09   Like, I don't need to do that anymore.

00:36:11   Instead, what I can do

00:36:13   is if you accept that this station is never going to be mobile,

00:36:18   you can optimize it in a different way.

00:36:21   And so, one of the things that I can do is

00:36:24   that laptop is actually powering two of the external 4K monitors from LG,

00:36:32   and I have them both in the vertical setup.

00:36:35   Because one of the things that I really want to be able to do is see as much of the script as possible.

00:36:42   And so rotating a monitor to be in the vertical position is a really big bonus.

00:36:47   Like, it allows me to see so much more of what I'm working on,

00:36:51   And a lot of what I like about Ulysses allows you to like rearrange stuff.

00:36:55   It makes a lot of this way, way easier.

00:36:59   And it just comes down to the case of like, okay,

00:37:02   even if I wanted to use an iPad,

00:37:06   the biggest iPad they make is not as big as two 4K monitors.

00:37:10   So I'm like, I'm just gonna eat this and say,

00:37:13   I'm building this space to be a permanent space.

00:37:16   What is the ideal that I would want?

00:37:19   That's what I would want two monitors one for script one for research and notes and I can just have them next to each other

00:37:25   Super big all the time and standing up and then the other desk has an iMac Pro

00:37:32   That's where the iMac Pro lives. It lives on the second desk in the glass cube and this is like heavy

00:37:37   Project stuff including something called project golem, which is just a great name. It doesn't really matter what it's about that the names rugged

00:37:44   and that's where you edit and

00:37:47   produce stuff?

00:37:49   So yeah, the second half of the cube,

00:37:52   it's also like I'm trying to make spaces different.

00:37:56   So it's like the writing space is a standing up space because I always pace around anyway.

00:37:59   And then the iMac Pro is a sitting down space in the same cube.

00:38:05   And yeah, what I'm thinking of with this is

00:38:09   again, work that falls in some category of

00:38:13   creative in a way. So

00:38:17   So, what I'm trying not to do there is administrative tasks of any kind.

00:38:22   What I'm trying to do is, okay, so like, the podcast editing, I would say, is a kind of creative space that also benefits greatly from having the iMac Pro.

00:38:31   Like, it makes that much easier.

00:38:33   Doing the vlog editing is the same kind of thing.

00:38:36   It's like, this is creative work.

00:38:38   It also benefits from having the much more powerful computer.

00:38:40   Because it's in the same physical location as the writing, I do like to separate out when am I doing research for a script versus when am I actually writing the script.

00:38:53   I try not to do both of those things at the same time.

00:38:55   So the iMac Pro is also for research.

00:38:59   And then, yes, I don't want to talk about what the details of it are, but I do have a new project this year

00:39:06   That is sort of thematically related to the Year of Order, but I'm just going to call it Project Golem for right now.

00:39:15   And we will say that it definitely requires a fast, powerful computer for Project Golem.

00:39:24   So that is a thing that is underway, that is also creative, and is going to happen in this space.

00:39:31   What was that like?

00:39:32   You're the worst.

00:39:33   Why am I the worst?

00:39:35   are.

00:39:36   [laughter]

00:39:37   C.I. I'm trying to describe for you my thinking process here about what's going on with these

00:39:44   different spaces.

00:39:45   M.M.M.M. It's very good. And then obviously the only - you have an outlier, right, which

00:39:49   is the podcast recording because really that should live in the glass cube thematically,

00:39:55   but from an audio sound space perspective cannot be ever recorded in that space.

00:40:01   Yeah, this is where there's a couple of conflicts.

00:40:04   I actually...

00:40:05   The podcasts to me are such a different kind of work.

00:40:09   They don't...

00:40:10   They don't feel creative in the same way.

00:40:13   Like, creative's not the best word for what I'm doing in the glass cube,

00:40:16   but it's just the category that's in my mind.

00:40:18   Um...

00:40:19   Whereas the podcasts are much more like...

00:40:22   You know, they're like going out to a dinner with people.

00:40:26   You know, where it's just intensely draining social work.

00:40:30   It feels like a very different kind of thing, and so there are two good reasons to not have it be in the glass cube.

00:40:37   It feels to me, one, like that work is just very different kind of work from everything else, and secondly, yes,

00:40:43   a glass cube in the middle of like a Facebook-style open office is an acoustically terrible environment.

00:40:52   But so one of the other parts of like Year of Order is thinking a lot about,

00:40:57   What do I use my home office for? And I'm really aware that in the past year my home office has become a kind of

00:41:04   mess of ambiguity. Like what what happens here? What sort of work is here? What is this space for?

00:41:11   I've done a really bad job with that and so

00:41:14   what I'm in the process of doing is

00:41:17   again deciding very intentionally. This is a if this is like a permanent space

00:41:23   How can you best optimize this space for the kinds of tasks that you want to do in here?

00:41:28   And so yes, I'm turning my home office into

00:41:31   two things, but the primary one is an audio recording studio.

00:41:39   So I will do all of the podcasts in my home office and that also means

00:41:44   finally doing something like I'm going to be upgrading some of the audio equipment that I use.

00:41:49   Finally!

00:41:50   You've been--

00:41:52   Listeners, Myke has been bothering me about this for so long.

00:41:55   But this is a great example though again of my current podcast recording setup.

00:42:02   I mean, you know this. It's optimized for

00:42:05   mobility and flexibility. That's why I choose some of the equipment that I choose.

00:42:10   Like I use the Rode USB NT microphone, which I totally love and it is a great super flexible microphone.

00:42:18   But I'm making this decision of, okay,

00:42:20   if you're starting over and if this space is for this one task and all of

00:42:28   the equipment in here is never going to move would you choose the equipment that

00:42:33   you're currently using and the answer is no I would not choose this microphone

00:42:36   under those circumstances so I feel like I have to have a conversation with our

00:42:41   good friend Marco Arment about what to get because I am very out of my depth

00:42:46   here oh I know what you get like I've already had a conversation with him so

00:42:50   So you're probably going to end up with exactly what I have.

00:42:54   Okay, great.

00:42:55   Do you want to give me a preview?

00:42:56   What do you use, Myke?

00:42:57   No, it's too much.

00:42:58   It's too much.

00:42:59   It's too much.

00:43:00   I will put a link in the show notes to Marco Ammann's guide for podcast microphones because

00:43:07   what I use is not good to tell people to use because it kind of gets into that area of

00:43:14   you end up with small gains for a large cost, right?

00:43:17   Right, yeah.

00:43:18   I've been doing this for eight years and have built up over time.

00:43:22   There's pointless to start at where I am, but, uh, you know,

00:43:26   it's all included in that, in that guide, which you'll find in our show notes.

00:43:29   But that's also part of the, um,

00:43:32   like intentionally thinking about the kind of work that I do and

00:43:37   recognizing that optimizing for mobility is not sensible and that I am in the

00:43:42   same category as you. Like,

00:43:44   obviously I don't do nearly as much audio work as you,

00:43:47   But I do enough that optimizing for small gains is a sensible thing to do.

00:43:53   And it's probably a thing I should have done a year ago.

00:43:56   But like now I'm just doing it now.

00:43:59   And the other thing that I'm going to be looking into is acoustic treatments for the room.

00:44:06   So like getting some of the noise reduction foam and other things put into this office.

00:44:12   Like this office is fine for that but it's not great and I know that I could make it better.

00:44:17   And that's again the same kind of thing of like

00:44:19   Does it make the audio 5% better? Maybe

00:44:22   but I'm gonna spend time on that under this umbrella of the year of order, but

00:44:28   Right now my main focus

00:44:31   My main focus has been setting up the glass cube and I've gotten the glass cube into what I think of as version

00:44:38   1.0 where it's minimally functional, but there's much more that I want to do and I'm really aware of

00:44:45   Like when people try to change, it's very easy to try to change everything all at once and then you do everything terribly.

00:44:52   And I'm taking this like very limited

00:44:56   small

00:44:58   focus and so that's why I feel like right now I'm focusing on my just my physical space.

00:45:03   I'm not even trying to touch my routine or my health or any of these other things that I want to do.

00:45:08   It's like okay, just focus on the physical space and then within that right now I am

00:45:13   just focusing on the glass cube as the main area.

00:45:16   And so I'm gonna get that absolutely the way I want it to be.

00:45:21   It's like, and then I will turn my full attention to the home office. And what's going to happen is

00:45:26   everything that's in the home office is coming out, and then I'm going to just deliberately bring things back in or set up the new equipment.

00:45:33   But so it's like I'm trying to focus on the smallest possible piece

00:45:37   each at a time. But I can tell you, all of my

00:45:42   glass office cube neighbors

00:45:45   They know who the who the weirdo on the floor is really fast

00:45:49   What are you doing now? Two desks doesn't seem that weird. It does seem weird as two desks and it's one person

00:45:56   but it was also just I had just I had a lot of boxes coming in and

00:46:02   coming in under

00:46:06   short periods of time and there was a lot of activity going on and

00:46:11   There's just a few things that make me like the office weirdo that I don't quite want to go into details

00:46:15   But it's like I can see the people looking. They're like that that guy's that guy's the weird guy on the floor in that office

00:46:20   What's he doing?

00:46:21   Eventually, you're gonna have to build that building because you're gonna be kicked out of every office space within the m25

00:46:27   I am aware that some of the stuff that I'm bringing into the

00:46:30   Glass cube like maybe this is not the final resting home of all of this stuff

00:46:33   But I am mentally treating it as though I'm gonna be there for a long time

00:46:37   Even if when I do construct an office building of my own it may it may all be relocated

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00:48:50   Anyway, so those are like the two main things with the computer that I'm going to be using in my home office.

00:48:56   Again, I'm going to deliberately strip everything off of there that is not required for recording a podcast.

00:49:03   So I'm going to have a machine that the only thing it does is I turn it on and I record podcasts on it.

00:49:11   Then I save those files and they get synced to the cloud and that machine is used for

00:49:16   Literally nothing else because if there is one thing I have learned over the years of podcasting is that audio recording is

00:49:23   surprisingly fiddly and stuff just

00:49:26   Somehow changes even when you're doing other things on the machine. That's incredibly frustrating

00:49:31   So it's like I'm gonna have a machine that is untouched except for this one

00:49:35   purpose and and that is going to be in my home office and all other software that is not

00:49:43   necessary on that machine is going to be removed. And it's again, it's the same thing with like the iMac Pro in the glass cube.

00:49:50   It's very deliberate removal of all software that is not necessary for

00:49:57   the vlog or for editing or for Project Golem, like everything is coming off that is not required for those things.

00:50:05   I really like how you refer to the vlog when you've done one.

00:50:09   Well, maybe we can get back to this a little bit later, but

00:50:13   We can say that I'll just say now that on my wheel of wheel of recorded time for last year

00:50:19   Vlog stuff was a surprisingly big chunk of that time

00:50:23   So in for me, it is still a very active project, even though I know two outsiders

00:50:28   It seems like it's crazy right like nothing has happened

00:50:31   So that's that still seems very active

00:50:35   I have a very small update for the year of adulting, one of my two themes.

00:50:39   I am now 30, so I've completed task one, which was to have my birthday, and I've done that.

00:50:46   You've made it.

00:50:47   Yep.

00:50:47   Happy birthday.

00:50:48   Yeah, so that's point one. Thank you very much. And I'm adding something in to the year.

00:50:53   Mm-hmm.

00:50:54   I do not have a driving license.

00:50:57   I live in a big city, so there are two things to this.

00:51:02   I tried to learn to drive when I was like 17

00:51:08   and I would spend 45 minutes once a week stuck in traffic,

00:51:13   which is not the best way to learn how to drive.

00:51:16   And then also I am afforded with fantastic travel

00:51:20   in this city, public transport is wonderful.

00:51:23   But to think about some things that I want to do

00:51:27   in my work and personal life over the next few years,

00:51:31   a car would be a great addition to that

00:51:34   and would help facilitate a bunch of things.

00:51:36   So I am planning to get a driving license

00:51:41   by the end of the year.

00:51:42   Like after we get married,

00:51:43   some point towards the end of the year,

00:51:45   I'm gonna take one of those intensive courses things

00:51:48   and get a driving license and get a little car

00:51:50   that I intend to bump into some stuff.

00:51:52   and then I'm gonna have a car and a driving license.

00:51:55   So that's part of my other thing for my year of adulting.

00:51:59   - That's very exciting.

00:52:00   I have a friend who, she just went through that,

00:52:03   where she's never, never drove,

00:52:05   and as an adult, got her driver's license.

00:52:08   And when you live in a city, your whole life,

00:52:11   it's just like people who live in Manhattan, right?

00:52:13   There's no real need or pressure to get a driver's license,

00:52:17   because public transport is fantastic.

00:52:20   and doubly so in the world of ride sharing services.

00:52:24   It's like, you know, it makes it even less necessary.

00:52:28   But that'll be an interesting

00:52:31   and exciting project for you, Myke.

00:52:33   - Yep, 'cause like one of the things that I wanna do

00:52:35   is eventually, probably within the next couple of years,

00:52:37   I wanna get an office space outside of my home.

00:52:40   And where I am, like in the kind of the area that I'm in,

00:52:46   I don't know where there would be any office spaces,

00:52:49   but I reckon that they would probably be

00:52:51   like a 10 minute drive from home.

00:52:53   - Right.

00:52:54   - And it would just be easier if I have my own car

00:52:56   to deal with that.

00:52:56   - Right, then because I wanna limit--

00:53:01   - I can easily imagine that as the situation

00:53:03   for where you are.

00:53:04   - Yeah.

00:53:05   - If you're going to have an office,

00:53:07   almost certainly it's going to be way easier

00:53:09   to drive to that office.

00:53:11   - Because the other thing is,

00:53:12   there are some places close to me

00:53:14   where I could get a space,

00:53:15   but they're not gonna be ideal.

00:53:18   And I open myself up to many more opportunities if I have a car.

00:53:23   Because I can then, you know, the catchment area for my studio space can grow

00:53:30   significantly if my mobility is increased.

00:53:32   So that's kind of one.

00:53:35   That's one of the things I'm thinking of.

00:53:37   So this is that.

00:53:38   That is like a multi-year project, which doesn't need to start.

00:53:42   But before I can do it, I need to get a driving license and get a car.

00:53:47   - Yeah, and the year of adulting seems like the perfect year

00:53:50   to have that as a target.

00:53:51   - We have a car parking space in our building that we own.

00:53:56   It just came with our apartment.

00:53:59   And it's in like an underground car park type situation.

00:54:03   And I have no idea what the feasibility would be

00:54:05   to try and convince the owners of the building

00:54:07   to put a plug socket in there for me.

00:54:09   But I'm thinking it because like, I've never owned a car.

00:54:13   Why don't I just get an electric car, right?

00:54:15   car and just never own a petrol car.

00:54:18   But if you're going to do that,

00:54:20   I would highly recommend

00:54:23   making that technological leap.

00:54:25   My plan is to try and see

00:54:27   if we can convince someone to allow us

00:54:29   to get that put in because.

00:54:30   I just feel like if I'm going to be

00:54:34   buying a car in 2018,

00:54:36   why even bother with petrol?

00:54:38   Yeah, I would agree with you 100%.

00:54:40   So I mean, I'm not.

00:54:41   We would, you know, there's like

00:54:43   a pretty decent second-hand market for like Nissan Leafs and stuff like that, right?

00:54:48   That we would probably get something like that. But you know, I have my mind that maybe in five

00:54:53   years I buy a Tesla or something, you know, like when I can actually buy a real car because I'm

00:54:57   not just going to bump it into everything. But I just figure why, if it's possible for me to just

00:55:03   go straight to electric, because that's clearly the future, why don't I just start with electric?

00:55:08   So that's like another long, I'm sure very arduous project that I think that Idina would probably take great enjoyment out of trying to win.

00:55:17   That's something that she would enjoy greatly as like a

00:55:21   project for her to try and convince the building owners to allow us to put a plug in the car park.

00:55:28   We'll see how that one goes.

00:55:29   When you get your license, you know, you you're legally required to go on at least one road trip.

00:55:34   So just FYI.

00:55:35   Oh, yeah. Yeah, this is like a whole big thing.

00:55:37   We were talking about it yesterday.

00:55:39   It was like, "Oh, we can go down to the coast."

00:55:41   And then it was like, "Yep."

00:55:43   Think of all the places we can go.

00:55:44   We never go anywhere, but think of all the places we can go.

00:55:46   Well, I wish you luck with that.

00:55:47   Yeah, there's some time on that one, but it did occur to me that that fits quite nicely

00:55:52   in with the theme.

00:55:53   So Myke, speaking of people who don't upload logs, I haven't seen you upload a log in a

00:55:59   very long time.

00:56:00   How's that going?

00:56:02   I've come to a decision about my vlogging experiment, which I'm now calling an experiment

00:56:06   in retrospect.

00:56:07   Okay, I was like, wait a minute, I don't remember this word before.

00:56:10   I'm sure I said it at some point.

00:56:13   Alright, so, okay.

00:56:14   We're retconning this.

00:56:15   I'm not retconning it.

00:56:17   One of the things that I did last year was, in essence, I guess was an introduction to

00:56:25   what it would be like to have a year of branching out, was to try something new and create a

00:56:31   YouTube channel and create vlog content for it.

00:56:34   That was the plan and I wanted to see what it would be like to start a vlog and what

00:56:39   that would take.

00:56:40   And I've come to some conclusions about how I feel about being a vlogger.

00:56:47   I think that it is very clear that to get good and to get popular requires frequent

00:56:52   uploading.

00:56:53   Right?

00:56:54   I think that that is, in vlogging, that seems to be something which helps success is to

00:57:01   upload frequently.

00:57:04   whatever that ends up being like.

00:57:05   - Okay, so what does that mean?

00:57:06   There's a big spectrum here.

00:57:07   - I don't know.

00:57:08   I think at least once a week or a couple of times a week,

00:57:12   it would seem, right?

00:57:13   At least from the people that I follow

00:57:15   that are primarily doing lifestyle-ish vlogging-type stuff,

00:57:21   there is frequent uploading to that.

00:57:23   And I have a couple of issues that have

00:57:28   precluded me from being able to do that.

00:57:32   One is the amount of time that I actually have

00:57:37   to put into another creative project.

00:57:42   And really, I don't have it.

00:57:46   I don't have the time in my life

00:57:49   to create two YouTube videos a week, or one a week even.

00:57:53   It's just not a thing that I can do.

00:57:56   - Well, if I remember, your original goal

00:57:58   was one a month, wasn't it?

00:57:59   Wasn't that sort of roughly what you were aiming for?

00:58:01   - Yep, it was.

00:58:02   - Okay, so you're saying this is the combination of

00:58:05   if this thing is going to be successful,

00:58:07   it probably needs to be at least once a week.

00:58:10   - Yes.

00:58:11   - And that energy is just beyond the amount

00:58:12   that you have to spend in a week.

00:58:14   - Yep.

00:58:15   - Especially with the upcoming big project.

00:58:18   - Exactly.

00:58:18   But the thing is, one of the problems that I had was,

00:58:24   one of the problems that I had with doing stuff

00:58:27   on a more frequent basis.

00:58:29   It's not even just time, it is content.

00:58:33   Like, what do I make, right?

00:58:37   - Well, Myke, the viewers, they wanted to see

00:58:40   what a normal day in Myke's life is like.

00:58:42   That's what people want to see. - No one wants to see that.

00:58:43   You think you want to see it,

00:58:44   but like I'm telling you, you don't.

00:58:46   It's so boring.

00:58:47   - Yeah, everybody thinks they want to see it,

00:58:49   but it's actually super boring.

00:58:51   - You would hate it. - And--

00:58:52   - Just trust me, like, you would hate it.

00:58:55   - How would you describe what a normal day

00:58:57   actually looks like for you, Myke?

00:58:58   - Sitting down.

00:58:59   - Sitting down in front of a computer,

00:59:02   what are you doing, clicking?

00:59:03   - All of the stuff that anybody wants to see

00:59:06   is just different places that I sit down.

00:59:09   - Right. - Right.

00:59:10   - How many of those places even are there?

00:59:12   - Two. - Three.

00:59:13   Yeah, exactly, right? (laughs)

00:59:15   - The thing is, is I don't have enough to give

00:59:20   from a content perspective because I make so much already.

00:59:25   So all of the things I have to say, I've already said them.

00:59:30   Right?

00:59:31   So I was thinking, something that I see from the vloggers

00:59:34   that I like is about half of the content, at least,

00:59:38   that they make tends to be them talking

00:59:40   to the camera about a thing.

00:59:43   Yeah, and in a broad way, a lot of it

00:59:45   could be classified as opinion pieces.

00:59:48   Yeah.

00:59:49   But I have no extra opinions than the ones

00:59:52   that I give on all of the shows that I make.

00:59:55   So that became apparent to me really quickly,

00:59:59   that I burned through my topic ideas

01:00:02   within like three months.

01:00:05   They were just all gone.

01:00:07   And typically, with a creative project that I have,

01:00:10   that is not the case.

01:00:11   That I will hang on to topics for a long time

01:00:15   because the initial list that I create

01:00:19   hasn't foreseen all of the other things

01:00:21   that might come to me, but they didn't.

01:00:24   Nothing really came to me.

01:00:26   And the other big thing is that I realized

01:00:31   that I would lose too much of my private life

01:00:36   if I decided that I wanted to do this more frequently.

01:00:41   Because if I don't have topics to sit in front

01:00:48   the camera to talk about all I can do is show more of my life right and I decided

01:00:57   that I'm comfortable with the amount that I already show and that the things

01:01:05   that I don't talk about and the things that people don't know about is for a

01:01:09   reason and if I vlog more I would lose all of it. Far too frequently something

01:01:18   that I see with the vloggers that I like to watch is that you see in their videos

01:01:23   they spend time with colleagues and friends who are also vloggers and

01:01:29   you see these scenes where it's like five people each talking into a camera

01:01:34   and I don't want to put my friends and family in those types of

01:01:39   situations because my friends and family don't do this and I don't want to subject everything

01:01:48   about my life and all of the people in it to the world like podcasting what I do right

01:01:53   now is fixed like I'm in my studio and I talk about what I want to talk about but vlogging

01:01:58   shows more of everything in a direct way like people and places and like bad hair days like

01:02:04   you see everything.

01:02:06   Yeah, there's a world of difference between you talking about Adina on a podcast and you filming Adina to put in your vlog.

01:02:19   There's a way that that turns it into, "Oh, I'm not just relaying a thing where the original person is not involved."

01:02:28   when, uh, yeah, how to put it, but like when vloggers are filming their family, they are pretty explicitly

01:02:38   requesting a performance of their family.

01:02:41   Exactly.

01:02:42   Like that, that is what is happening and it's the same thing that happens if you're friends with someone who is vlogging.

01:02:50   They are, even if you're just sort of in the background, now there's like an implicit request

01:02:58   that you do a performance for them.

01:03:00   I really have noticed it when I have vlog trips that I've taken, that people are very

01:03:07   aware.

01:03:08   Like if I'm doing anything with my phone, they think that I'm filming.

01:03:13   And like the people make these like jokey comments, but they're really just checking.

01:03:18   When we were in WWDC I saw a bunch of this and I was aware of that with you where people

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01:06:07   Basically I've just come to realize that the life that I have right now doesn't fit this.

01:06:15   If I want to do this I have to make changes to my life and I've come to kind of come to the

01:06:22   conclusion that I don't want to be a vlogger. Like I've just come to I don't want to pursue it

01:06:28   to try and become this thing because I think I might lose too much of what I currently

01:06:33   have and like it would disrupt everything in a way that I'm maybe not comfortable with

01:06:41   and I don't want to never do them because there are vlogs that I know I will be able

01:06:48   to make about travel where it's mostly just me and I still want to make those because

01:06:55   'cause I actually really enjoy that,

01:06:57   but I have no intention of continuing

01:07:02   to make this a serious thing.

01:07:03   There are other types of technology-based videos

01:07:05   that I wanna do, and I still wanna make those.

01:07:09   I wanna do more game streaming as a thing,

01:07:13   because I like doing that.

01:07:14   It's relatively low amount of input for the output.

01:07:17   But yeah, as far as vlogging goes,

01:07:23   I'm not a vlogger and I'm not gonna be one.

01:07:25   Yeah, I mean there is a way in which

01:07:28   from my limited experience with it, but also just from knowing and seeing people who are really in that industry that

01:07:37   How can I put this in a nice way?

01:07:43   But I think for people who are vlogging constantly it is like strip mining their life

01:07:49   where everything they're doing is

01:07:52   seen through the lens of how this can be presented to the outside world.

01:07:57   And there is a long tradition of people who are vloggers on YouTube who do very frequent multi times a week content

01:08:08   who you can just see them burn out.

01:08:12   And so there is no shortage of videos on YouTube where a vlogger who has been very prolific says

01:08:19   "Hey, I need to step away from this for a while because it's just emptied out my entire

01:08:26   life."

01:08:27   Well, there's actually two ways. You would burn out or you flame out, right? It's either

01:08:30   you've had enough or you push it too far and there's an equal amount of videos of people

01:08:37   doing something for the vlog, which was too much, right? And I have no desire to go in

01:08:45   either of those journeys in my life.

01:08:48   Yeah, well and there's also the thing that I think people you know if anybody out there's like like oh

01:08:53   I want to be a vlogger well

01:08:54   There's also that this thing you just probably don't think about very much, but there's a question of

01:08:58   How many how much hmm? I never quite know how to phrase this, but it's like

01:09:03   you know it's like your life is a garden and things in the garden grow slowly and

01:09:09   Vlogging is like you're trying to harvest flowers out of the garden every single day mm-hmm. It's like well

01:09:17   that just can't happen. There's a question of like, what is the frequency of which you can pull flowers out of this garden?

01:09:24   But they don't make flowers every day. Flowers take a while.

01:09:28   And, you know, like we discussed last time, I went through my own little version of this and that was part of what the year of

01:09:34   Redirection was. It was just recognizing like, I'm

01:09:36   I'm doing

01:09:39   podcasts that are

01:09:41   largely about my life in some ways as like the frequency is just a little too high

01:09:47   that it feels like I'm coming back to this garden to pull flowers too often. So I need to pull it back just a little bit

01:09:54   and when people are doing daily vlogs

01:09:56   it's like you are ripping all of the flowers out of this garden and I think it's why when I

01:10:02   think it's why there's two things that happen very frequently with the vlogs is that they become

01:10:08   Or people who do successful vlogs have a disproportionate amount of travel in their life

01:10:12   because

01:10:14   Travel is a way of like getting flowers out of another garden. Like you're going somewhere. You're doing something and then

01:10:22   especially lately what has been a trend on on YouTube I think is

01:10:26   Manufactured stunts for the vlogs. So you're now you're not really vlogging your daily life

01:10:34   It's much more like you're putting together a TV show. Oh you have to yeah, and so now you're artificially

01:10:41   Constructing things nobody's life is interesting enough like yeah, you have to create

01:10:47   situations and that was something that I've realized

01:10:51   Quickly like I started vlogging at a time in my life. That was very interesting

01:10:57   Yeah, we discussed it that you were very aware that there was a bunch of stuff going on in your life at that time

01:11:03   And so if you were going to try this project, that was the fertile time to do it.

01:11:08   MATT: Yep. And it worked for me, but then I realized, "Oh, but now

01:11:12   it's normal daily life." And every couple of months, every six to eight weeks,

01:11:18   I'm going somewhere interesting and they're cool, but what about all the other times?

01:11:23   And that was what I was struggling with. Once I moved into my house and built my office

01:11:29   I did all of that stuff, the really exciting time in my life was done, and I'm moving into

01:11:35   an exciting time now, which is getting married, but I have absolutely no desire to film any

01:11:43   of that process.

01:11:44   AO That's again the conflict of being a private

01:11:48   person who lives in public, in a way.

01:11:52   Do you want to strip mine your marriage?

01:11:53   MATT This was one of the big reasons for me where

01:11:56   I realized that maybe this wasn't for me.

01:11:58   So it was like, if I'm gonna be a vlogger, man, I have a wedding.

01:12:02   Like how great a video type thing is that, right?

01:12:06   To show your wedding to people?

01:12:07   But I realized I didn't want to do that.

01:12:09   Yeah, and there's also a way in which, obviously, I'm not really like a vlogger vlogger, but

01:12:17   my most direct comparison to this of a thing where you realize something is changing the

01:12:22   the way you think is, I mean, now this is several years ago when I decided to take Twitter

01:12:26   off of my phone, but I realized it cleared up all of this mental space where there was

01:12:32   some part of my brain that was constantly thinking, "Oh, is this a funny thing to tweet?

01:12:37   This thought that just came into my brain? Is this a funny thing?" Or I'm at some place

01:12:41   and I'm like, "Oh, is there a picture I could put on Twitter at this place that I am?" And

01:12:46   by removing Twitter from my phone, it just took that away and then I'm just not thinking

01:12:49   about that anymore. But again, it's like if you are going to be a successful vlogger,

01:12:55   you start thinking about everything in your life in those terms of, "Is this for the vlog?"

01:13:01   Right? "Is this for the vlog?"

01:13:03   And I feel like I need to make this super clear. This conversation is not based around

01:13:07   the fact that, "Oh, if I decided to do this, I would become a megastar." That's not what

01:13:12   I'm thinking here. When we talk about being successful, it is me trying to attempt to

01:13:17   get to a place where I might be in that position.

01:13:20   Like, I don't believe that if I made a video every week for six months that I would be

01:13:23   like the next Casey Neistat.

01:13:25   Right, because there's many people who make videos every week who are not Casey Neistat.

01:13:29   But I can't be that unless I put the work in.

01:13:31   I could never get to anywhere unless I put the work in.

01:13:34   And I've just decided that I don't want to put the work in to even try and attempt to

01:13:38   become someone who'd be considered a part of the vlogger as part of their work.

01:13:42   Yeah, no, the conversation here is not that you would be inevitably successful.

01:13:47   There's a lesson here for everyone who might want to be a vlogger, which is that you can

01:13:52   strip mine your life for the public and still be unsuccessful as well.

01:13:57   And you get nothing, right?

01:13:58   So that was part of it.

01:14:00   It was like, I give up everything and maybe get nothing back.

01:14:04   And it's like, do I really want to take that risk?

01:14:06   And then one of the other big things for me, which is a lesson that I will want to impart

01:14:10   to anyone, I was dreading the creation.

01:14:14   That's a bad sign.

01:14:15   That's a really bad sign.

01:14:16   - Exactly, so I would be like, I'd have my task come up

01:14:19   to be like, okay, you've gotta start working on a vlog

01:14:21   like you're approaching the end of the month.

01:14:23   And I'd be like, oh, but I don't wanna do it.

01:14:25   - For a project that's supposed to be a fun side project,

01:14:28   that's terrible, that's a bad idea, that's bad.

01:14:30   - Nothing else that I do do I feel that way.

01:14:33   And if I ever start to feel that way with anything,

01:14:36   one of two things happens.

01:14:37   I either change significantly the project or kill it.

01:14:41   And I've always worked that way.

01:14:43   And when I came to the realization

01:14:46   I was not enjoying thinking about necessarily being forced

01:14:51   to make a video.

01:14:52   That was when I deleted the task, right?

01:14:54   And that happened in the summer.

01:14:55   So the recurring task of Create a Vlog went away.

01:14:59   So then you will notice my frequency went down

01:15:02   because then I only just started making vlogs

01:15:04   about what I wanted to make vlogs about.

01:15:06   And then one of the bigger ones was when I was away

01:15:08   for four weeks over the summer,

01:15:11   I recorded a bunch of vlog footage

01:15:13   to create a huge vlog out of and I got home

01:15:15   and I had so much footage, I didn't know what to do with it,

01:15:20   and then that was when I kinda decided

01:15:22   that this probably isn't a thing for me.

01:15:26   - Well, I mean, it's been an interesting experiment.

01:15:29   Personally, I'm kind of sad

01:15:31   that you're not going to be vlogging frequently.

01:15:33   Like, obviously, the writing was on the wall

01:15:35   a little bit with this as the frequency dropped.

01:15:38   I did really enjoy your vlogs.

01:15:41   But I do think that you have still come out of this

01:15:43   with you learn how to do a new thing,

01:15:47   and you have also established the existence

01:15:50   of the Myke Curley YouTube channel.

01:15:52   - It is there whenever I wanna do something with it.

01:15:54   - Yeah, it's no longer the case of

01:15:56   if you wanted to upload a YouTube video,

01:15:58   you'd be starting from ground zero.

01:16:00   You now have some inbuilt audience over there,

01:16:05   and it's like if you feel like there is a video

01:16:07   that you want to make, that you feel compelled to make,

01:16:09   you have a place to put it,

01:16:11   and it has a place to start on YouTube

01:16:15   with some pre-existing audience that is already there.

01:16:18   - I have ideas for standalone videos

01:16:21   that I will make in the future,

01:16:22   but it's just nothing that I want

01:16:24   to necessarily start on right now.

01:16:27   And every now and then I get something

01:16:28   that pops into my head where I'm like,

01:16:29   that might be a fun thing to make a video about.

01:16:31   And so it just gets locked away

01:16:33   and I'll talk about it later.

01:16:35   I mean, and this maybe sounds weird,

01:16:38   but I'm happy that I have put as much time

01:16:42   into talking about this on this show as I have.

01:16:44   Because I follow a lot of people that are successful

01:16:50   and talk about their successes and the things that they do

01:16:52   and the things that they don't.

01:16:54   This has clearly been a failure

01:16:55   in what I attempted to start with,

01:16:59   like from where I am when I was talking about this,

01:17:01   doing this project to where I am now.

01:17:04   Like I have failed to achieve

01:17:05   what I was hoping to achieve from this

01:17:08   And it was because my feelings towards it changed.

01:17:11   So I'm happy to share that as a thing to say,

01:17:14   like, this is something that happens to everyone.

01:17:17   You start a project and it just doesn't go the way

01:17:20   that you want.

01:17:21   And that is totally fine for you to then

01:17:23   just move away from it.

01:17:24   And I actually feel better having moved away.

01:17:27   'Cause a lot of the time it's like,

01:17:28   oh, but I started this thing and if it doesn't work out

01:17:31   and I stopped doing it, like, how does that look?

01:17:34   Like, I look like I kind of failed

01:17:35   or like I look like I couldn't do it.

01:17:39   But I feel better being comfortable

01:17:41   in saying that it's done.

01:17:42   Like I'm not gonna attempt to try and push this further

01:17:45   than it needs to go,

01:17:47   because otherwise I'm just gonna hate it.

01:17:49   And I don't hate it.

01:17:50   And it means that I can still come back

01:17:52   to making some videos when I want to,

01:17:54   but I didn't suck everything out of it.

01:17:56   And I'm kind of happy to share that.

01:17:58   - Yeah, and killing projects is a vital skill.

01:18:03   - Oh God, if you can't do it,

01:18:04   then you can never do anything, right?

01:18:06   'Cause you're just dragging along these old projects

01:18:10   behind you all the time.

01:18:11   - When I look at my younger self,

01:18:14   I think a skill that he was not so great at

01:18:16   was killing projects.

01:18:19   And yeah, it's like that's one thing

01:18:22   if I was to go back in time and try to advise

01:18:25   my younger self about how to get what he wants

01:18:28   out of the world faster,

01:18:29   one of the things would definitely be,

01:18:32   "Hey buddy, let's go through your list of things

01:18:35   and let's decide that some of these are over sooner."

01:18:38   Let's do that because it frees up your energy

01:18:41   and time for other things.

01:18:42   - Yep.

01:18:43   And like for me talking about it here,

01:18:45   nothing has changed because I'm making the same amount

01:18:50   of videos as I've been making the last few months,

01:18:52   which is none.

01:18:53   But now I am addressing it, right?

01:18:57   Like nothing's different,

01:18:59   like I'm not making more of those videos,

01:19:00   but I am now addressing the fact that don't expect them.

01:19:04   And kind of I feel relief in that.

01:19:07   It's like well now nobody's expecting the vlogs

01:19:09   because I told you never to expect the vlogs.

01:19:11   Expect that there will be YouTube videos

01:19:13   sometime in the future,

01:19:15   but don't expect them to come anytime soon

01:19:17   and/or to be anything that you expect them to be.

01:19:19   (laughing)

01:19:21   - The Myke Hurley channel is just gonna be

01:19:25   your channel of what you want it to be.

01:19:27   - Whatever that ends up being.

01:19:29   I don't know what it's gonna be.

01:19:30   So you can take up the mantle now, you can be the vlogger.

01:19:35   I never put it down, Myke.

01:19:38   If I could give past me some advice that would have saved him some time, which is related

01:19:45   to what you were talking about, it would certainly be, "Hey, shoot less footage."

01:19:49   Oh, that will kill you.

01:19:51   Shoot way less footage.

01:19:53   That will kill you.

01:19:54   When you sit down in front of Final Cut and you've got four weeks' worth of vlog footage,

01:19:58   Like that will kill a vlog, I tell you that right now.

01:20:01   Yeah, yeah, that's one of the many reasons there's been delays.

01:20:05   It's like, boy, don't capture everything.

01:20:09   You will regret it.

01:20:11   So next episode, we're going to do something we've never done before.

01:20:15   We're going to watch a documentary and talk about it in kind of the vein of Cortex Book

01:20:21   Club.

01:20:22   So it's kind of a book club, but a documentary?

01:20:24   It's like a documentary club for work?

01:20:27   Sure, that's the working title. We'll go with that one. The Cortex Documentary Club for Work.

01:20:33   There is a documentary about the team behind South Park called Six Days to Air. This documentary

01:20:40   I've seen a couple of times and I thought it would be interesting to bring to the table

01:20:44   because these are people who create an episode of a TV show within six days every week. So they

01:20:53   create a weekly show and every episode is created in six days. And it is interesting

01:20:58   to watch a team work under this incredible deadline pressure that I thought it could

01:21:03   be interesting to talk about on the show. Now it is worth noting at this point, this

01:21:08   is a documentary about the TV show South Park. So it includes clips of South Park episodes

01:21:14   and lots of South Park humor, which can be very questionable and awkward in some places.

01:21:24   So I say, and I'm like, it's not that the humor is questionable. There's no question

01:21:30   that it can be quite vulgar. There you go. That's a lovely way of putting it. Yes. It

01:21:34   is tasteless and vulgar. It's not like, is this funny or not? Like that's not the question.

01:21:40   Yeah, the question is more, will you want to see it?

01:21:45   So you probably know at this point if this is something you want to watch.

01:21:50   If you don't know South Park, I recommend not watching it.

01:21:53   If you know you don't like South Park, I recommend not watching it.

01:21:57   We're going to take a look at how the team works and just talk about that.

01:22:02   We're not going to talk about the content too much because it's not important for the

01:22:05   overall discussion.

01:22:07   Yeah, this is this is just a thing that has been on our list for a long time when you first

01:22:11   mentioned it and I have wanted to see this for quite a while because I think the the two guys behind South Park are

01:22:18   uniquely prolific and

01:22:22   they also

01:22:24   from what I have have gleamed they work in

01:22:26   very different ways and they have also had careers over

01:22:32   now a

01:22:36   - a fantastically long period of time. - Yeah.

01:22:38   So I think that they are at the intersection of a bunch of things that I'm interested to see a documentary

01:22:45   about how

01:22:47   they're working. So ever since you mentioned to me that this thing existed, I have wanted to see it.

01:22:53   But yeah, so just to be clear, our interest in seeing this is

01:22:56   how do they work?

01:22:59   It's not really a conversation about like, what do we think about South Park?

01:23:03   Because I think people already know what they think about South Park

01:23:06   Yeah, you either like it or you don't like it and there are probably extremely good reasons for both depending on your opinions

01:23:12   I will say that I

01:23:15   Don't really like South Park

01:23:18   and kind of never have

01:23:20   Isn't something that I have been that interested in but the documentary is very good

01:23:25   We are going to talk about it like we talk about the books. So you don't have to watch this to

01:23:32   understand what we're going to talk about. So you don't need to watch it. I want to tell people that

01:23:36   we are watching it in case you do want to watch it. But this comes with all of the warnings we

01:23:41   could possibly give for such an explicit documentary because it's got South Park in it. So there you

01:23:46   go. That's that's what we have to say. Six Days to Air is what it's called. And we'll talk about it

01:23:50   next time. See you next time.