0:00:00Gray, I need your help.
0:00:01- Yeah?
0:00:02- How do you break a four week sleep cycle?
0:00:04- Oh, Myke, Myke, I need your help with this.
0:00:10(laughing)
0:00:11- Oh no.
0:00:12Where have you been?
0:00:17- We'll get to that.
0:00:18Tell me what's going on with you.
0:00:19- Well, I mean, I've come back from my hurly day.
0:00:22My hurly day is over and I'm suffering
0:00:27from pretty bad jet lag.
0:00:29I thought that I had mostly gotten over jet lag as a problem in my life. Like it takes
0:00:33me a day or two and I adjust.
0:00:36You thought you solved jet lag just as a general problem?
0:00:39I wouldn't say that I feel like I'd solved it, but it's more that like I've gotten used
0:00:45to my pattern that if I just do things in a certain way for like a day or two, just
0:00:50like make sure I stay awake, embrace the fact that I won't sleep the next day, wake up at
0:00:55a normal time and then I'm good. That's usually how I deal with this stuff. No matter where
0:00:59I am. Like even if I'm on the West Coast, it just takes me like two days and I can get back into it.
0:01:03And that's mostly because I tend to live like close to East Coast time in London. You know,
0:01:11like I'm usually like going to bed at 2am and I wake up, you know.
0:01:15Yeah, you stay up pretty late.
0:01:16Yeah. So it helps me adjust relatively well. But this time, this time is not good. Like I've been
0:01:24home for three or four days and I'm just not sleeping and I feel terrible most of the day
0:01:30and then like it comes to about seven o'clock at night and I'm wired and ready to go.
0:01:40You have you have all of my sympathies. Jet lag. Jet lag is the absolute worst.
0:01:46Surely like how has nobody fixed this problem? Why isn't there like a surefire pill to take
0:01:54or some kind of beverage to drink that just fixes it.
0:01:58That is what I want. I feel like there should be some kind of refreshing beverage you could just drink.
0:02:03And it's like, "Oh great!"
0:02:04They just give it to you when you get off the plane.
0:02:05Yeah. Now I'm all set. It turned out all I needed was some electrolytes at the right time.
0:02:11And now I'm set. But no.
0:02:14I've heard that one of those Dreamliner planes changes the oxygen level and apparently that's supposed to help.
0:02:20But I'm not sure if I believe that either.
0:02:22But see, jet lag is one of those things because the symptoms are...
0:02:27Like, they're hard to define symptoms and they're slightly different for everybody.
0:02:32And this then breeds a whole world of home remedies
0:02:38and just superstitions around what works or what doesn't work.
0:02:43Just stand on your head and count backwards from ten.
0:02:45You fixed it!
0:02:48I have tried so many different things.
0:02:52And I've just I have found nothing nothing has any consistent success with trying to minimize it
0:02:58Okay, I guess
0:02:59Asterisk the only thing I have found that successfully works is simply refusing to acknowledge the time zone of the place that you are in
0:03:06That works. Yeah, other than that
0:03:09No, I have I have found no doesn't work for a month though
0:03:13Like I feel like I would have not really gotten anything useful done if I spent four weeks on London time in
0:03:19Various places in the US. I feel like I would have I really should have just not made that trip
0:03:23If that's what I was planning to do, right? Yeah, it's impossible
0:03:26It's not gonna work out for you Myke. So so I
0:03:30Have I have nothing to help you with this you were supposed to be my long-term travel guru
0:03:37Oh, and this is this is the one thing I truly need, you know
0:03:44Oh is this it? This is the one thing that you truly need and I have failed to deliver
0:03:48on this?
0:03:49You didn't help me with laundry really and/or just dealing with emotional trauma. So this
0:03:55was the one thing that I desperately need from you that I was hoping for a real just
0:04:00CGP Grey brand life hack and I have received just deal with it and/or don't change your
0:04:08time which is you know neither of those things neither of those things are
0:04:13helpful to me now right yeah no I I understand the reason why I was also
0:04:18asking like I need your help with this is because one I too would like a
0:04:22solution to jet lag that is simply magical but the other thing is I have I
0:04:29have also since this summer I have not been dealing with jet lag like I've been
0:04:36home long enough that jet lag is not a problem, but what I have been dealing with is clearly
0:04:41my whole sleep cycle is just messed up from an entire summer of strained schedules and
0:04:48frequent travel. And it's not jet lag, but it's kind of a virtual jet lag when you're
0:04:56trying to simply iron out your sleep schedule. And this has been the bane of my last several
0:05:04weeks is just trying to get my brain back into what I know is the optimal schedule for
0:05:10me for work and for happiness and it's just like I cannot do it. I can feel my brain resisting
0:05:18getting put back into a regular schedule after two months, three months without a regular
0:05:24schedule.
0:05:26And as well for me, the irony is not lost upon the fact that I have returned home with
0:05:30this terrible sleep cycle in what is probably the busiest two weeks of my year.
0:05:34These two weeks are the busiest two weeks of your year?
0:05:36iPhone season.
0:05:37Oh, of course! I was thinking, I was thinking, why is Myke so busy in early September? But yes.
0:05:45By the time this episode comes out, the iPhone will have been shown to the world,
0:05:50or will about to be shown to the world. So by the time most people hear this,
0:05:55they're either getting ready for an iPhone keynote or have already seen it.
0:05:58Ooh, that's exciting.
0:06:00So they're living in a future where we have or do not have face unlocking, we have or do not have
0:06:06touch ID and a big screen. The people they know, Gray, they lord that over us right now.
0:06:13We're stuck in the past.
0:06:14We're stuck in the past.
0:06:15Although somehow while we're recording the show, it feels like we're already in that
0:06:21glorious new iPhone future. So while I'm talking to you right now, it feels slightly like time
0:06:26traveling but it isn't but yes of course for you in particular for a man
0:06:33who does so many tech and tech adjacent shows this would be the busiest season
0:06:38and not a good time to have a bunch of jet lag interfering with the rest of
0:06:44your work. No luckily they didn't have the event or announce the event before I
0:06:48came home like or that it just didn't overlap like badly. Luckily when
0:06:54they announced it, they announced it, it was like it's gonna be in two weeks time, so I
0:06:57was able to just come home and then try and deal with myself and then get back to work
0:07:02again. So unfortunately I will just, I will just live with my weird sleep cycle for now
0:07:08and hopefully in October I will have fixed it ready to go back to the US again. So hooray,
0:07:15hooray for jet lag I guess. Oh no. I've just realised by the time that I get this thing
0:07:23fixed I'll have to break it again. This is what happens. This is what happens when you have to do a bunch of
0:07:28travel. It's just it's frustrating and and this kind of thing
0:07:33really does take a while to sort out. Like getting it getting into I find for me anyway personally like
0:07:42maybe the number one predictor of
0:07:45how well a day is going to go is
0:07:49if I got up at the time that I'm supposed to. Like if you had to take a single data point and
0:07:55see if it was
0:07:57most correlated with what I would consider a productive day, that would be by far and away the single data point that would matter the most.
0:08:03And
0:08:05it's, it is very
0:08:07because like unlike so many other things in our working life
0:08:13sleep is a thing that is like you really have
0:08:18no control over it. You can't just knuckle down and get to sleep harder than you're trying to get to sleep at this very moment.
0:08:29And at least for me, if you wake up and your body wasn't ready to wake up, it feels like you have woken up dead.
0:08:37It's just awful and it's so hard to do anything productive.
0:08:41I don't know, it's like a thing that is just interesting that at least I find that as time has gone on, like this matters more and more as a thing that is super important and is a thing that I focus on and try to keep on a regular schedule.
0:08:59But yeah after after the summer it like this is this is a thing that I have personally been
0:09:04Struggling to get back into a regular schedule for a while
0:09:07But it's like I can just I can feel my brain just pulling against against the regular schedule
0:09:13Even though of course like it'd be better for me in the long run
0:09:16But like it doesn't that doesn't help you in the short run if you could choose
0:09:21to not sleep
0:09:23But lose 25% of your productivity
0:09:27Would you take that?
0:09:29Wait, I get an additional third of my life back?
0:09:33Sure, you get all the time back.
0:09:35Okay.
0:09:36But you are 25% less productive.
0:09:38Would you take that deal?
0:09:41Yeah, yeah, that seems like a great deal.
0:09:43I'm getting 33-- I'm getting a third of my life back, and I'm only losing a quarter of productivity?
0:09:50That seems like an amazing deal.
0:09:51Okay, what if you lost a third of your productivity?
0:09:54So it just ended up balancing out.
0:09:56Would you take it then?
0:09:57Okay, so when you say balance out, you mean I get the same amount of stuff done that I
0:10:05get done now, but I'm also, I never have to sleep?
0:10:08Yeah.
0:10:09Yeah, what's the trade-off?
0:10:10Who wouldn't take that?
0:10:11But I feel like people enjoy sleeping, right?
0:10:14This is why I'm assuming.
0:10:15So there are people in the world that just would prefer to sleep, or just ended up working
0:10:19out the same, just take the sleep.
0:10:21But like I would even take the the option where it balances out because I would just end up playing more video games or whatever
0:10:27yeah, I
0:10:30mean, I mean, I guess I
0:10:32Guess I could say in a minor in a very minor way
0:10:36I enjoy sleep
0:10:37But that's only because sleep is it gets it's the your brain makes you like it because it's the solution to a problem
0:10:43I only ever enjoy after it's happened. I never want to do it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah right now actually
0:10:50Right now
0:10:52Saying that I it's half past four in the afternoon might be pretty I feel like I could do
0:10:57with a good nap right now, but I guess the answer to your question is no like I don't I don't feel like oh
0:11:03Sleep is the best. It's like I would much rather have the hours
0:11:06back I don't I don't see sleep as a
0:11:10recreational activity that is worth a third of my life and I can't imagine anybody would would see it that way
0:11:17I don't know. I think it has a lot to do with how you like to spend your time, right?
0:11:26Like part of it is because I would prefer to be working as much as I can when I'm awake
0:11:32and then spend the rest of the time just playing video games and doing the things that I don't
0:11:37want to do but not everybody wants to work to that amount. So I guess like if all you
0:11:42wanted to do was put in eight hours, six hours, seven hours of work a day or whatever it is
0:11:47that you end up putting in and you're cool with that, like that's the way that you want
0:11:50to be, then maybe you would want the sleep.
0:11:52Yeah, but you could still just spend it as recreation time.
0:11:55Yeah, but I assume that there are some people that enjoy the practice of sleep, right? They
0:12:00just like getting into bed and cosying up and just going away for a bit.
0:12:06I don't think that's Cortex listeners. I think the people who listen to Cortex, they're not
0:12:10people who are big enjoyers of sleep.
0:12:13I want to know. In the Reddit, I just want to know. Sleep on no sleep. So you got to
0:12:18tell me. Sleep on no sleep. I'm interested to know this now. If people would like to
0:12:22sleep or would not like to sleep. I'll tell you what I'll do. I will post in the Reddit
0:12:27just a simple survey. You can click the link. It will take you somewhere. I just want to
0:12:31get an idea now. Sleep on no sleep. It will be in the Reddit thread. You'll find it.
0:12:36And of course, all of the home remedies for how to take care of jet lag. Unsolicited,
0:12:41Doubtless will be there. You need some sleep, Myke. You gonna take a little nap during the
0:12:44show?
0:12:45Yeah, I'll uh, actually I'll see what's next in our document. I'll just get you talking
0:12:50and I'll pop in towards the end, assuming that I figure I know what you're gonna say.
0:12:57So I'll just go away. There's a sofa behind me. I'll just go and sit there for a little
0:13:02bit and then I'll come back when you're done with your frustrations.
0:13:06I've just come back from visiting my parents. They've moved house and of course setting
0:13:11Setting up a new house is a big job.
0:13:13There's lots of things to do.
0:13:15And one of the things you need to do when you're setting up a house is get a mattress
0:13:19for the guest bedroom.
0:13:20Now of course, since my parents listened to Cortex, there was only one choice of mattress
0:13:25that they were going to get.
0:13:26The Casper mattress was delivered before my arrival, but as I had never tried one in person,
0:13:32they saved it for me.
0:13:33So when I got home, on the very first day, there was no mattress set up for me to sleep
0:13:38on.
0:13:39there was a big Casper box in the room.
0:13:42And together, we opened it up.
0:13:44It was a genuinely exciting family event.
0:13:47To open the box, my dad and I arranged the mattress
0:13:50on the bed, we removed the plastic covering,
0:13:53and just like Casper promises, the mattress self-inflates.
0:13:58Within mere moments, it was ready to go.
0:14:01That night, at the end of a day of long travels,
0:14:04I crawled into bed onto the Casper mattress
0:14:07for the first time.
0:14:08How would a mattress be without springs inside?
0:14:11How would a mattress be that came delivered in the mail?
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0:14:18You could even say that it had just the right sink,
0:14:21just the right bounce.
0:14:23I was very glad that my parents had not carted with them
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0:15:48night's sleep at my parents' house.
0:15:51So of course, with the imminent release of a new iPhone comes a new release of iOS.
0:15:58iOS 11 is just around the corner. It's going to be with us soon.
0:16:03And...
0:16:05We have, because we're the kind of people that we are, Myke, we've been running the betas for a while.
0:16:11I told myself, like I tell myself every year, like, "I'm not going to install the beta. I'm gonna wait a while."
0:16:18But of course I have to give in, so I've been running the beta since the very first public beta that was available.
0:16:25and I was not able to resist.
0:16:27And just before it goes public,
0:16:29I thought this is kind of a good time to talk about
0:16:34a couple of little frustrations
0:16:37and also what's going on with the dock
0:16:42and our home screens.
0:16:44What do you say, Myke?
0:16:46Are you there, Myke?
0:16:46- I mean, anytime you talk about home screens,
0:16:48I'm ready to go.
0:16:49You said the magic word.
0:16:51I'm revitalized, let's do this.
0:16:53(laughing)
0:16:55I think it is worth mentioning for a piece of long-term follow-up that you did not get
0:16:59your wish, right, of the opening of applications via a keyboard shortcut.
0:17:05Maybe people listen to you, but nobody's put it into place.
0:17:09I'm pausing here for a moment to think about how much I can say.
0:17:12I'll put it in vague ways that I can say that I know this has been received and that there
0:17:20maybe reasons that it doesn't happen that maybe I don't necessarily agree with, but
0:17:27I don't know. Who knows? Who knows?
0:17:29Who knows if an email could have been received or sent? No one could know. There is no way
0:17:35of knowing. Yeah, who knows if like a frustrating non-answer
0:17:39was received? Nobody. Nobody could know.
0:17:41Certainly not me. No way.
0:17:42Anyway, so yeah, I was hoping last time that for just barely, just like the tiniest of
0:17:49keyboard shortcuts added and that hasn't happened and I don't think it's going to happen in
0:17:54the next two weeks or week until the final version comes out.
0:17:59So we can assume that that's definitely not the case.
0:18:02I think we can feel pretty sure at the fact that we are currently at beta 10, we're good.
0:18:08This is what it's going to be most likely.
0:18:10Yeah, I think so.
0:18:12So around this, one of the biggest changes with iOS on the iPad is the introduction of
0:18:18dock on the bottom screen. And for someone like me and someone like you who spends a
0:18:23lot of time working on the iPad, I feel like that dock on the bottom totally changes everything.
0:18:31It really makes the iPad a very different feeling device to work with than on the previous
0:18:37version of iOS. And I've been having just some interesting things about how do I arrange
0:18:47my dock now on my iPad? How do I arrange my home screen on my phone?
0:18:54And I feel like I'm slowly going crazy because I can't figure out what it is that I want to do,
0:19:02even though I've been working with this for a long period of time.
0:19:05So I took some screenshots today, Myke. Would you like to see what my current setup looks
0:19:10like on my various devices? You know I want to see. You don't have to
0:19:14ask me. You could send me these messages just on a random day in the middle of the night and I'll be
0:19:19happy to get them, you know, anytime. If you have your iPad around, I am legitimately curious to see
0:19:26what your home screen looks like because I feel like I'm very open to trying to figure out how
0:19:30have people set up things on their iPads and on their various devices. Do you want both or just
0:19:37one? #MultipadLifestyle. I want whatever you will give me. I'm going to give you three home
0:19:42screenshots and you can give me back whatever you want.
0:19:45Okay, so while yours come through to me, I'm going to go and get my iPad from the other
0:19:49room because I only have one of them with me right now and then I can send them both
0:19:52to you.
0:19:53Yeah, you go do that.
0:20:07Okay so screenshots have been exchanged.
0:20:10Screenshots have been exchanged.
0:20:12I have yours, you have mine.
0:20:14Okay, let me talk about what's going on in my mind here, Myke.
0:20:17So, in iOS 11, especially on the iPad, the dock is of paramount importance.
0:20:26It's the way to get to your apps because if you have an app that's on the dock,
0:20:33you can just drag it from the dock right onto the screen
0:20:37and so that you can go into the multi-app mode or you can have it hover over,
0:20:41Whereas apps that are on your home screen,
0:20:45to me the home screen now becomes like a dead space on your iPad.
0:20:50There are apps that you can launch, but only if you are already at the home screen.
0:20:56And there's no way to get to the home screen, to get to an app, to then put it into the multi-view mode.
0:21:03So because of this, I have decided that on my iPads the home screen is dead to me.
0:21:09Like I don't want to put a single app
0:21:14on my iPad home screen because I feel like,
0:21:17what is the point of this?
0:21:19All it is is a worse app launcher.
0:21:23There's no point to this at all.
0:21:26So I have banned all app icons
0:21:30from the home screen on my iPads.
0:21:33It dock or nothing.
0:21:35You took the nuclear approach.
0:21:36Well, I actually don't think this is the nuclear approach because I feel like the architecture
0:21:43of iOS 11 on the iPad so encourages you to use the dock that it feels like a penalty
0:21:53having apps almost anywhere else.
0:21:56But here's where I'm going crazy, Myke.
0:21:59Because the iPhone doesn't work this way.
0:22:01Oh, okay.
0:22:02Right, again, I wanted to say where we are in the world right now
0:22:06Mm-hmm, cuz it might we don't know yet, right?
0:22:09We just as this is as we stand right now, who knows what could happen with the next iPhone?
0:22:14But yeah, go on the iPhone doesn't work in this way. I understand that
0:22:17Yeah, the iPhone doesn't work like this
0:22:20now
0:22:21there may be
0:22:23If there is a merciful God in the universe
0:22:25Mm-hmm when the next phone comes out
0:22:29The next phone may work more similarly to the way the iPads do.
0:22:34Yeah.
0:22:34There may be a little dock that swipes up from the bottom.
0:22:37You know, it could be better when the next iPhone comes out.
0:22:41One can only hope.
0:22:42One can only hope. But you know what? It's not gonna be.
0:22:45It's not gonna be the same because there's not going to be a universe in which you can put eight
0:22:52icons in the dock on your phone.
0:22:54Yeah, it's only gonna be four, right? And maybe a folder. Still, that's gonna be the same.
0:22:59Yeah. Yeah, and there's not going to be multitasking on the phone presumably.
0:23:05So lots of things
0:23:07lots of things work differently. So I feel like I am trapped and trapped in this universe
0:23:14where
0:23:16consistency is not possible. That there is no solution
0:23:21that works everywhere the same that I want it to work. So I feel like when I'm using my phone
0:23:27I'm losing my mind about how do I launch apps on my phone versus launching apps on my iPad and
0:23:34as a result of this like what you are seeing what you were seeing in these screenshots is just my
0:23:41current state of arranging things
0:23:43Which is not good
0:23:45But what I can't tell you what I got what I I don't even want to know is how how many different ways?
0:23:52I have tried arranging things
0:23:55How many different placements I have tried, like different full-- like, I'm going crazy
0:24:00because there's a lack of consistency. Because as listeners to the show will know,
0:24:04we've talked about home screens a few times,
0:24:07and
0:24:08there's been something that for the entirety of my iOS use has been exactly the same,
0:24:16which is
0:24:18three icons in the dock, and those icons have been incredibly stable.
0:24:23Notes, Launch Center Pro, and OmniFocus.
0:24:27And I felt like that was a real centering location to,
0:24:33here is a thing that is consistent across all of the devices that you use.
0:24:38There's like a little launching station for the things that you want to access quickly and consistently everywhere,
0:24:44and it's the same on all of the devices.
0:24:47And then above that, because I live the multi-pad lifestyle and because I have a phone as well,
0:24:52you can arrange the icons that you use in particular on this device on the home screen.
0:24:58Mm-hmm.
0:24:59Right? But it's like, but all of that is gone now. So I'm just going crazy.
0:25:04I deconstructed my dock, I've put some new stuff in there, and I'm trying to figure out what to do,
0:25:10but I'm just, I'm going crazy, Myke.
0:25:12I can tell.
0:25:13I'm going absolutely crazy, and I don't know what to do.
0:25:15Alright, so, episode to episode, we've switched to crazy.
0:25:19Alright, that's, it's all on you now, buddy.
0:25:22I have, we have a lot I think that we want to get to about this today, but I just, we need to just go over, okay, we're going to come back to the doc, alright, and like kind of what that is, but I just have a bunch of questions first because I'm looking at these images, and it's all
0:25:39And it's all.
0:25:40- Yeah, here's the thing.
0:25:40You ask questions away because I don't even know
0:25:43what's happening in my world anymore.
0:25:44- Right. - Like I don't know.
0:25:46- What I don't understand from a fundamental perspective
0:25:49is you're complaining about consistency,
0:25:51but you have inconsistent apps
0:25:52in both the docks on your iPads.
0:25:54I don't get that, I don't get it.
0:25:56Like you can look at my screenshots
0:25:58and you'll see the docks are the same.
0:26:00The home screens differ in slight ways
0:26:02depending on what I do on those iPads,
0:26:04but the docks are the same,
0:26:06what I'm putting in them and where they go.
0:26:08And you have like all different apps
0:26:11in all different placements.
0:26:12And like some apps are on the dock on one
0:26:15and not on the other.
0:26:16Like there is no consistency
0:26:18and you are making it inconsistent for yourself.
0:26:20- Okay.
0:26:21- Evernote, look at Evernote just sitting there in the dock.
0:26:24My word, where are we in 2017?
0:26:26- Sitting in the dock, laughing at me.
0:26:29- I know, what is that thing it's next to?
0:26:30What is that red Fox arrow thing?
0:26:33What is that?
0:26:35- Oh, that's a Wikipedia viewer.
0:26:37Oh, yeah, I've seen this before.
0:26:39It's really good.
0:26:40It's called V, V for Wiki, I think is what to search for.
0:26:44It's a really great Wikipedia viewer.
0:26:47So here's where I'm trying to focus
0:26:48on consistency in my world, okay.
0:26:49Step one, I decided that it was time
0:26:55to let Launch Center Pro go.
0:26:58Ah, okay.
0:26:59Which may be one of the longest running apps on my phone
0:27:03that has changed the least.
0:27:05It's like that has been around for forever.
0:27:07- We were just talking about it, about the icon.
0:27:10- Well, this is why.
0:27:12On the episode "Out of Time", it comes up as a thing
0:27:16and I didn't want to specify anything at that point in time
0:27:18but I had already, when we recorded that show,
0:27:20gotten rid of Launch Center Prom.
0:27:22- Right, because on an episode "Out of Time",
0:27:23you cannot acknowledge the time.
0:27:26- Yeah, who knows when it occurs.
0:27:28Is that the rule for episodes "Out of Time"?
0:27:30I don't understand how that works.
0:27:31So I got rid of that.
0:27:32Now, I have tried other launchers,
0:27:35and I think other launchers are probably fine
0:27:39for other people.
0:27:40But, right, it's like I don't want to denigrate
0:27:43other launchers that people might use,
0:27:45because they are good, and they do, but like,
0:27:47there's a bunch of things I didn't like,
0:27:48and I'm very picky about this,
0:27:50and there's, like, the reason I had stuck
0:27:51with Launch Center Pro for as long as I had
0:27:53is because it solved a particular need very well.
0:27:56So I was thinking it through and realizing 95%
0:28:00of what I was using Launch Center Pro for in the past year
0:28:05was really as a way to kick off a bunch of workflows.
0:28:09So I had a whole bunch of stuff in the workflow app
0:28:12and Launch Center Pro was just a faster way
0:28:14to launch a workflow than going directly
0:28:17into the workflow app itself.
0:28:19This, what I'm about to say is going to sound crazy
0:28:21to people, but actually is, I think is great
0:28:24and is the part of the system I'm the happiest with,
0:28:27is I replaced Launch Center Pro with a folder
0:28:31that just has shortcuts to workflows.
0:28:36- No, this is better.
0:28:37The way you were doing it was worse.
0:28:39Like opening Launch Center Pro to launch workflows
0:28:44is a, I think, a slower way of doing it
0:28:46than what you're currently doing,
0:28:48which is to save, 'cause you can save workflows
0:28:50to the iPhone home screen
0:28:53with like this weird hack of Safari, basically.
0:28:56and this is quicker having that folder there and then hitting the button.
0:28:59That's one less tap.
0:29:01The reason I stuck with launch center pro
0:29:02is as long as I did is it was lightning fast to do it.
0:29:05It actually is a little bit slower with the folder.
0:29:08OK, because Apple's like, look at our beautiful animation.
0:29:11Yeah, OK, but hit by animation speed.
0:29:13OK. Yeah.
0:29:15Whereas especially if launch center pro was still kept in memory,
0:29:18it was essentially instant.
0:29:19So there's a little bit of a speed trade off here, but it's fine.
0:29:23I still think this is a better way to do it, though.
0:29:25It might not be faster, but I think this is cleaner.
0:29:29Yeah, so this is cleaner. It does have a disadvantage
0:29:33that I have to manually arrange everything so that it's
0:29:37the same on all of the devices. There's no syncing anymore. The state of what
0:29:41the launch center is. But that's fine. That's a fine trade-off.
0:29:45And if someone looks in the screenshots, what they will see is
0:29:49dead center on all of my devices, there is a folder
0:29:53and that folder has nothing but buttons which launch
0:29:57workflow actions.
0:29:58- Yeah, it's dead center but not always relative.
0:30:01- What do you mean not always relative?
0:30:03- It's not relative to the green and red.
0:30:05- Okay, no, we'll get into this in a second.
0:30:07We'll get into this in a second, Myke, right?
0:30:08- There's so many layers.
0:30:09- 'Cause I've thought about this for a long time.
0:30:10- This is like the onion of home screens we're in right now.
0:30:13- No, but listen, okay, listen, listen.
0:30:16Look at those three screens.
0:30:17The workflow folder is dead center.
0:30:20- Yes, it is, it is, it is.
0:30:22Look at those little dots that are supposed to show you the home screen or the widgets.
0:30:26I can see it.
0:30:27That is the center.
0:30:28Right?
0:30:29And the folder is directly below those dots or as close as a person can make it.
0:30:33Yes, it is.
0:30:34It is.
0:30:35I'm sorry.
0:30:36It's not perfectly aligned because of some aesthetic choices that Apple has made, but
0:30:41we'll just let that slide for right now.
0:30:43Yeah, that is weird, isn't it?
0:30:44It would be perfectly aligned, but it isn't.
0:30:45It's fine on the iPhone.
0:30:48Not fine on the big iPad.
0:30:49Yeah, not fine on the iPad.
0:30:52I bet that doesn't bother you at all.
0:30:54It does, very much so.
0:30:57Okay.
0:30:58Alright, so this is the anchor around which we're building everything.
0:31:03I've gotten rid of Launch Center Pro, I have found an adequate solution,
0:31:07it's going to go in the center on all of the devices.
0:31:10This is where we begin.
0:31:11My assumption here is that these are all to launch, most likely, toggle actions.
0:31:19Would be my assumption.
0:31:20Nothing in that center folder is for toggle. We'll get to this.
0:31:23Okay, good, good, good, good.
0:31:24I thought that was gonna be the end of the discussion and I was gonna lose my mind.
0:31:27[laughter]
0:31:31No, actually, most of those launch center things are pre-programmed stuff for OmniFocus and,
0:31:38like, a couple of other things.
0:31:39Okay, the purple ones I assume are OmniFocus and then there's other stuff.
0:31:42Yeah, purple ones are OmniFocus stuff.
0:31:44That's cool. That's all I really need to know. I just needed to know what they did,
0:31:48and that's enough for me.
0:31:49It's all inconsistent now because I haven't quite decided on like what this new setup is going to be so I haven't worried about
0:31:55Making sure it's consistent on every single device, but I'll get there at some point
0:31:59I've just noticed something else that you've done. Okay. What have you noticed in the iPad folders?
0:32:04You've put blank icons in there. So it's always the same. Yes. Okay, so this is
0:32:10This is one way this is one way I am trying to force
0:32:17out of an operating system that is trying to force me into an inconsistent state.
0:32:22Because you want the 3x3 grid everywhere.
0:32:25Because the thing with a launcher is that it's muscle memory, right?
0:32:29You're not scanning and looking for a thing, you're trying to make it muscle memory.
0:32:35So the iPhone only allows a 3x3 grid in the folder,
0:32:40so I am forcing a 3x3 grid in the folder on the iPads.
0:32:46But as you can see, that means the 3x3 grid is not centered, and it can't possibly be centered because the iPads want a 4x4 grid in the folder.
0:32:56So this is a trade-off I'm just going to have to make, that the grid will be off-center, but there's no way to manage that for the LauncherOne, and the muscle memory of where the buttons are is vastly more important.
0:33:08All of these images are in our show notes, so you can play along at home. I just wanted to reinforce that.
0:33:13Yeah, I think you have to look at this.
0:33:15You cannot conceptualize this unless you're seeing it, so you have to see it.
0:33:20If you're driving, just wait till later. We're all good.
0:33:23But you need to see these.
0:33:25Rethink number two.
0:33:26Okay. Can't believe we're just on number two, but okay.
0:33:28I know you can't believe we're just on number two.
0:33:31I feel like I'm barely halfway through whatever's going to happen.
0:33:34I'm still so dissatisfied.
0:33:36I have so many more questions.
0:33:38I keep seeing things that make me laugh.
0:33:41Because I know what you're doing, but I just need to double check.
0:33:44double check.
0:33:45Thing number two that happened is
0:33:48there's a change in iOS 11, which I really like,
0:33:51which is that you can put notes in Control Center.
0:33:55And so I realized I don't need notes on the dock anymore
0:34:00because the way I use notes is probably different
0:34:03from the way almost everybody uses notes
0:34:05in that I use it solely to just write down something
0:34:10and then once a week I kind of go through
0:34:13and cull all these random pieces of text throughout the week.
0:34:17I don't use notes as an organizational system of any kind.
0:34:20- Okay.
0:34:21- Notes is just, I need to write something down
0:34:23and I know future me will do whatever is necessary
0:34:26with this piece of text at a later point in time.
0:34:28- Okay, couple of questions on that.
0:34:29- Yeah.
0:34:30- Are you writing them down with a keyboard
0:34:32or with a pencil?
0:34:33- With a keyboard almost all the time.
0:34:36- Okay.
0:34:37And so I'm assuming that you're taking these things
0:34:41either putting them in a task manager or inside of a project that you're already writing and/or
0:34:47inside of your beloved Evernote would be my assumption.
0:34:50Yeah, it's like it's just anything, right? Like it's like a simple case,
0:34:54like somebody recommends a movie and I'm like, "Oh, okay." And I make a note of the movie title
0:34:57and then later I'll properly sort that into like the place where I keep a list of "here's a bunch
0:35:02of movies to watch or books that have been recommended" or right. It's just like little
0:35:05pieces of text that don't go anywhere in particular and it's not worth the effort of properly
0:35:10sorting them at the time.
0:35:12Right, okay. So it's different to me where like, if it's text, it goes in notes, right?
0:35:18If it's not a task, because tasks never go in notes, it always just like, so I would
0:35:22have my list of movies to see would be in notes, for example.
0:35:27I know that that is the way most people would use it, but it's just it's just not the way
0:35:31that I use it.
0:35:32Sure, I get that.
0:35:33is the app called Drafts.
0:35:35I use Notes the way Drafts is intended to be used.
0:35:39Like that's like a little comparison there.
0:35:41So it's not a storage facility of any point.
0:35:44- As a starting point for text, never the final point.
0:35:47- Yeah, exactly.
0:35:48And I really like this little change in iOS 11,
0:35:51that you can do it from Control Center
0:35:53because it also means that it's much more accessible,
0:35:57much more quickly in a bunch of scenarios.
0:35:59So I love that the phone is locked
0:36:01and I can just swipe up from Control Center
0:36:03and go to Notes and type something
0:36:05and it just goes into the system
0:36:07and I never even need to unlock the phone.
0:36:08- Yeah, that's a great thing that you can do that now
0:36:11if you want to set it up that way.
0:36:13- It is a really nice addition.
0:36:15And so that change meant,
0:36:17okay, well, Notes doesn't need to be on the dock anymore.
0:36:20Notes can just go away.
0:36:22- Yeah, and in an interesting way,
0:36:24that kind of reinforces your use case.
0:36:26- Yeah, it's almost like it's designed exactly for that.
0:36:30Like, oh, someone just said a thing,
0:36:31you want to write something down really quickly and you just want it to go into the system.
0:36:35You're not filing it at that point in time.
0:36:39So, I'm glad about that.
0:36:41But again, I'm all like muscle memory because this is a thing that happens lots.
0:36:46So I just want to know that whatever device I'm using,
0:36:50I've built it into my brain that, oh, the way you now type down a thing
0:36:55is just pull up Control Center, hit New Note, and just type it and done.
0:36:59So this is no longer a dock first activity.
0:37:03OmniFocus has also been removed from the dock, but this is a complicated thing.
0:37:07We'll just have to get to later. For various reasons
0:37:11OmniFocus is not going to be on the dock anymore, but it's like, I can't even articulate it.
0:37:15Of your iPhone, you mean? Yes, it's not on the dock of the iPhone.
0:37:19Because it's on the dock of one of the iPads. I know, I know.
0:37:23Reinforcing the inconsistency, but, you know, whatever. Yes, I know, I know.
0:37:27could be on the dock on the iPhone we'll just we'll get rid of that. Oh I just noticed Todoist
0:37:31is there as well wow look at you. Would you. Look at you Mr. Todoopants you got a wall
0:37:37going on. Would you stop, would you stop jumping ahead? I can't help it you shouldn't have
0:37:42given me the images you know like I can't I can't help it. Okay so there was then a
0:37:47long period of thinking well what the hell goes on my dock now for a while I tried nothing
0:37:53on the dock except that one folder. But that looks really dumb and it makes no sense on
0:38:00the iPads because again you're punished for not using the dock on the iPads and just having
0:38:06the one little launcher folder is ridiculous. What I have eventually settled on for my dock
0:38:13icons is a green plus and there's a red X. And I was trying to think what is the thing
0:38:22that I now do the most in the day.
0:38:24I've replaced my launcher,
0:38:26I've replaced the thing where I'm typing in stuff.
0:38:29What is the next most frequent activity?
0:38:31And of course, that is everybody's favorite topic,
0:38:34time tracking.
0:38:36- Oh no.
0:38:37- Time tracking is the thing that I do the most.
0:38:39- I promise we won't talk about this for too long, listeners.
0:38:41I really, I just want you,
0:38:43we'll get through this as part as quickly as we can.
0:38:46But yes, go on.
0:38:47- I promise you that we will as well
0:38:49because there isn't that much to say about it
0:38:50except what do these two buttons do?
0:38:53They are also workflows.
0:38:55So the green one simply launches a master workflow
0:39:00that allows me to very quickly select
0:39:02what is the activity that I'm doing right now.
0:39:04- This is what I'd assumed they were.
0:39:06And I thought that the middle folder was related
0:39:08to just triggering specific trackers,
0:39:10but that makes sense.
0:39:12Like the green and red, it made perfect sense.
0:39:15One is to start and one is to stop.
0:39:17I mean, and I have these, but they're in,
0:39:20I have them in my widgets in Notification Center.
0:39:23- So this is a thing that I had tried for a long time.
0:39:25Workflow has a fantastic widget.
0:39:28It's really, really great.
0:39:30But basically in iOS 10, there was an option to say,
0:39:34hey, you're in Notification Center.
0:39:36It's dumb, I don't ever use it, I don't care.
0:39:39Remember what the thing I swiped down last time was.
0:39:42So if I've pulled down the widgets,
0:39:45always just have the widgets there.
0:39:47but iOS 11 seems really proud of their notification center
0:39:50and they've removed this option.
0:39:52So in theory, I would want to use the widget
0:39:57to launch and to stop my time tracking,
0:40:02like across all devices, that'd be a way
0:40:03to do it consistently, but that extra swipe
0:40:07really annoys me every time.
0:40:09Doesn't it work if you just swipe to the left?
0:40:12Okay, but this is a thing that then becomes
0:40:15little bit in my mind like it like an inconsistent thing like which device am
0:40:20I using how do I open up that device like am I on the lock screen is the lock
0:40:26screen open or is a lock screen not like I tried it with the widget but it's it's
0:40:32just a little bit of an annoyance I don't feel that it's also but here's
0:40:39here's the use case that here's the use case that I will give you which is I'm
0:40:43I'm on the iPad doing something and I want to trigger the timer.
0:40:48Yeah, okay.
0:40:49Yeah.
0:40:50Where do I go?
0:40:51You have to pull down or go home and yeah, it's the thing.
0:40:53Right, I can't, yeah, there's like, so it's not the same every time.
0:40:57And this, again, is where muscle memory is really important.
0:41:00Like, this is an activity that I'm going to do dozens of times a day.
0:41:05It has to be something that I just don't think about.
0:41:09So that moment of being on the iPad with the apps open is like, I have to think about it
0:41:15for a second and now it's all ruined.
0:41:18So this is what ended up with the most sensible thing to do, was to put the time tracking
0:41:23stuff in the dock.
0:41:25And so I'm thinking of it from the perspective of the most space-constrained device, which
0:41:32is the iPhone, which you can only put three icons in the dock if you want it to look nice.
0:41:38So now I have my three doc icons.
0:41:41And so now we come to the iPads.
0:41:45OK.
0:41:48And so I have given you two screenshots because we
0:41:52live the multi-pad lifestyle.
0:41:53Hashtag.
0:41:54Yes, hashtag multi-pad lifestyle.
0:41:56The one with the standard Apple wallpaper,
0:42:00which is like the exploding paint, this is my Office iPad.
0:42:04So this is the one that I'm primarily using for writing.
0:42:08And then the one with the black sand beach, this is the Everything Else iPad.
0:42:13Okay.
0:42:15So the writing iPad is reasonably okay because the use cases are very constrained.
0:42:23And this is where I feel the happiest because it's like I want to use Ulysses to write,
0:42:29I want to use GoodNotes for the physical writing.
0:42:33I use Bear to organize a bunch of notes,
0:42:37and then of course I have Evernote and a Wikipedia app,
0:42:41and it's like, this is easily 95% of the time
0:42:44I'm going to spend on this iPad.
0:42:47So I can get it all in the doc,
0:42:48and I can get it arranged reasonably nicely.
0:42:50Now the thing that I'm trying to do
0:42:52to preserve my mental muscle memory
0:42:55is because since docs are variable in size,
0:42:57there's three muscle memory points here.
0:43:01Center, left hand side, right hand side.
0:43:05So this is what I want now to be the same
0:43:07across all devices.
0:43:08So the launching folder is in the center,
0:43:11the plus to start the timer is on the left,
0:43:14and the X to stop the timer is on the right.
0:43:17This is what's going to be the same across all devices.
0:43:21And all that means now is I need to
0:43:23put a symmetrical number of apps in between those points.
0:43:28So on my writing iPad, I have three apps
0:43:31between the left and the middle,
0:43:33and on the right-hand side, I have two apps
0:43:37plus a folder that contains everything else
0:43:41that's on the iPad.
0:43:42Since I've decided that there will be no apps
0:43:45on the home screen, that means everything else
0:43:48goes into the Infinity folder that holds
0:43:51all of the other apps that are going to exist on the iPad.
0:43:55So this is the idea of my dock solution,
0:43:59is you have one folder, that's the infinity folder,
0:44:04I have three muscle memory points,
0:44:07and then I fill in the rest.
0:44:08That's the idea of what's going on.
0:44:11- Can I ask you a question about the muscle memory thing?
0:44:14- Please.
0:44:15- Why didn't you put all three in the middle on everything?
0:44:17Because on the big iPad, because you have the recents,
0:44:20it's not on the far right.
0:44:22- In iOS 11, you have this option of,
0:44:25because the doc is so important,
0:44:27iOS will put three suggested apps in your dock on the right side.
0:44:33And these you don't have control over, they just appear, they're the suggestions, they're
0:44:38what Apple thinks you want to have.
0:44:43Now there's like a funny bit of space that's between these apps and the other apps that
0:44:49makes everything kind of off-center.
0:44:52And having the three right in the middle but not exactly in the middle makes it more obvious
0:44:59that things are off-center to me.
0:45:02It just visually bothered me more.
0:45:04Okay, so you tried it?
0:45:06Yeah.
0:45:07I tried it but it just looked weird.
0:45:10And I can, in my mind, sort of mentally place those suggested apps in a different location.
0:45:18And you like the suggested apps enough to keep it on the big iPad because it's not on
0:45:22the small iPad?
0:45:24Well we're trying a few things here.
0:45:28But we'll get to this in a second.
0:45:29It also helps that the red X I press far less than the start button.
0:45:33So it matters less that that one is in the exact right spot.
0:45:37But for me, for my brain, this just works even though it should seem like keeping everything
0:45:43in the center would make more sense.
0:45:46But I don't-- for like, for me, for somehow, this is just what seems to make more sense,
0:45:50is put them at the edges, even though on one of these devices there isn't quite an edge.
0:45:57So this is what I am trying.
0:45:59But this again, like, this world of inconsistency is crazy making, because on the iPad that
0:46:04I use for everything, I do have these suggested apps, because it's really useful to have them
0:46:11But I don't want them on my dedicated sort of writing office iPad because they're often just suggesting apps to me which are in the dock already.
0:46:21Right? Or they're things that I've just used and they're changing is annoying. Like it's not helpful because on that device I'm able to get just about everything that I want in the dock in the dock.
0:46:31This is where I am with the setup of things.
0:46:34I have a couple of observations.
0:46:36One, I enjoy the fact that you have decided that you are unwilling to take the colors
0:46:42of some icons and have recreated icons of your own, books and audiobooks.
0:46:47I'm assuming that they are literally just shortcuts to launch iBooks and Audible?
0:46:55And you have taken matters into your own hands and have gone for a more pleasing to you green
0:47:00color than the yellows.
0:47:03I have taken matters in my own hands. There's another one that you have missed there, which is Flashcards.
0:47:07No, I hadn't missed that. I had assumed that that wasn't real, but the books and audiobooks were more obvious to me.
0:47:14Yeah, Flashcards is a shortcut to the program I've been using for years and years, which is called Anki, which is-- it's great.
0:47:23It's a fantastic flashcard program,
0:47:25but it has a very ugly app that I don't think has been updated in years and years.
0:47:31I can tell how long you've been using it because you keep calling it a program, which is very
0:47:36strange.
0:47:37Yeah, you know what?
0:47:38That's totally, yeah, it is a program because I started using it in college on a computer.
0:47:44That is the program, everything else is an app.
0:47:46I love that your brain made that distinction.
0:47:50This is a computer program.
0:47:53Yeah, I would never have used that.
0:47:55And then because Amazon finally introduced proper text alignment in their app, I was
0:48:00Kindle.
0:48:01--switch back to using Kindles, which is great.
0:48:04But that Kindle app icon is horrifically ugly.
0:48:09Do not buy it.
0:48:11I will not allow that on my screen.
0:48:13I don't want to have to look at that.
0:48:16I hate that the apps have the words beneath the app
0:48:18to begin with.
0:48:20And then any app which also has to write
0:48:22its own name on the app icon in addition to the title
0:48:26underneath-- it's like, I can't deal with that.
0:48:28It's horrible.
0:48:28It's like, Kindle.
0:48:29yeah, I get it Kindle. Like I see the word twice. I hate it. So I just made a much better
0:48:35icon using workflow than they use. So yes, I have some replacement app icons for ones
0:48:42that are unacceptable.
0:48:46Except for the fact that you're running three to-do apps on your iPhone. I think that's
0:48:53most of my general questions.
0:48:57So my phone there, just to be clear, that to-do row, which is four icons that have check
0:49:02marks is--
0:49:03To-do lane, this is Simone.
0:49:04Yeah, it's a to-do lane.
0:49:05Just quickly so people don't think I'm going crazy.
0:49:07It's like the do is for reminders that are related to a particular time or timers that
0:49:10I want to run.
0:49:11As we've discussed in the past but we don't need to go over here again, it is useful to
0:49:17split certain kinds of tasks between to-do and omni-focus.
0:49:23So OmniFocus is generally like big project stuff and to-do is much much smaller things.
0:49:29And then to-do-ist is what I use to communicate with my personal assistant. So that is like
0:49:34shared tasks between the two of us.
0:49:37Oh, Wunderlist is dead.
0:49:39Oh, yes. Yeah. Wunderlist is gone.
0:49:43Maybe I should call this one to-doist. Like I have to give this one a new name now because
0:49:48Wunderlist is gone.
0:49:50No you don't. No, we don't need to do that.
0:49:52- Todoist is actually a pretty funny name, I like that.
0:49:55But I use Todoist and love it,
0:49:57so I wouldn't dare give it a different name.
0:50:00Even though Vunderlist is the way
0:50:01that that app should be pronounced anyway.
0:50:05- Yeah.
0:50:06- Todoist, interesting, okay,
0:50:08what do you think of Todoist?
0:50:09'Cause this is what I use every day,
0:50:10I mean, I extol its virtues, I like the automation.
0:50:13I bet that's pretty good for you
0:50:14if you're using it for shared tasks,
0:50:15to have things automated from it is pretty good.
0:50:19I actually don't use any of the automation features in it.
0:50:24This is a case where basically my assistant and I
0:50:27were running up against some limitations in Wunderlist.
0:50:30We just ran into some things where like,
0:50:32this isn't working great anymore.
0:50:34And primarily one of the things was like the need
0:50:36to be able to prioritize certain tasks above others.
0:50:39She is the one who is 95% using this.
0:50:42And I am simply like adding tasks and adding comments.
0:50:45So I feel like I can't really give a fair review of Todoist.
0:50:50- Yeah.
0:50:50- Like what I do use of it, I can say like,
0:50:54I'm not a huge fan and it feels like
0:50:57there's some really obvious things that are missing.
0:51:00But I can say that it is definitely
0:51:03a better collaboration solution
0:51:06when your collaboration gets more complicated.
0:51:09Like that's clearly the case.
0:51:10- Goodbye, Wunderlist.
0:51:12Goodbye, it's been a pleasure.
0:51:14I feel a little exhausted from all the explaining I've done
0:51:17of this setup that I have here, Myke.
0:51:20And I feel like I've barely even scratched the surface.
0:51:24- It might be your time for a nap.
0:51:26- Yeah, it might be my time for a nap.
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0:53:13What do you use the two different iPads for?
0:53:17What are the use cases for you of your two devices right now?
0:53:21So primarily, the primary use cases are home and out of home.
0:53:28So at home I use the 12.9 and away from home I use the 10.5.
0:53:33But I do use the 10.5 a lot at home if I'm going to be doing things like reading Twitter
0:53:42and stuff like that.
0:53:43I may just grab the 10.5 because it's just easier to hold and use because it's smaller
0:53:47and lighter.
0:53:49But like the primary is home and away, which is why I take steps to set them up very similarly.
0:53:57They're not exactly the same.
0:53:59So like some of the folders and the placement of some apps on the home screen is different,
0:54:03but that's not a thing that I worry about too much because if it's not in the dock,
0:54:09I'm opening it via Spotlight.
0:54:13And so like for me, the reason I still have apps on my home screen is because they're
0:54:19really just an organization thing, it's just like a place for me to put the apps because
0:54:23I open the majority of apps from Spotlight.
0:54:26Right, okay, so that makes sense. Since you are doing the same kind of things on both
0:54:31devices, it's a simple, it's simply the size factor and convenience factor of moving it
0:54:37or not moving it.
0:54:39Exactly.
0:54:40So that's why you want the dock the same everywhere because otherwise you would be losing your
0:54:43mind.
0:54:44And my steps are like, so I have less, you can have more apps in the dock on the 12.9,
0:54:53But I actually keep less because I like the consistency.
0:54:56I have noticed an inconsistency which I want to rectify that Dropbox on the large iPad
0:55:01is in the dock on its own, but on the small iPad it's in a folder.
0:55:06Although I expect as soon as Dropbox update for the Files app on iOS 11, I won't need
0:55:11it anymore really.
0:55:12I'll just be using the Files app.
0:55:14I'm kind of just waiting for that point.
0:55:17So the dock for me is really like these are the apps that I'm using most on my iPad and
0:55:22And I think it reinforces the fact that I say I use the iPad for work because they are
0:55:27work apps.
0:55:28Like, all of those.
0:55:30That's what they are.
0:55:32And the reason that they are all there is because these are the applications that I'm
0:55:35most frequently using in split views.
0:55:39So I keep them in the dock because it's way easier that way to just flick up and just
0:55:42drag it to where I need it to be.
0:55:44Which just for the record, because there is a lot of a, I think there's a lot of inconsistent
0:55:49opinions about how people feel about this.
0:55:51I love the new multitasking in iOS 11.
0:55:56I think it's fantastic.
0:55:57I think it is superior in almost every way.
0:55:59It just takes time to get used to and learn.
0:56:02But I absolutely love it.
0:56:05I love all the dragging because I'm able to visualize
0:56:08where everything's gonna be.
0:56:09iOS is very visual.
0:56:11I think that that is,
0:56:12I think there is a key to being able to work on iOS
0:56:15in the, if you like things visual.
0:56:18I think that that is a thing that you have to just
0:56:20get used to is that you like to be able to see things, you like to be able to see the
0:56:24movement of things, and being able to physically drag applications to where I want them to
0:56:30be and have them snap into a place and move them all around and the additional flexibility
0:56:35that iOS 11 multitasking has is amazing and I love it.
0:56:39And I've changed some of my workflows and they're changed now and I would never want
0:56:43to change them back.
0:56:44Yeah, I do again just want to make it really clear that I am also in favor of the changes
0:56:52and I think it's a really great the way that they have done it.
0:56:55I've just been advocating for something on top of that.
0:56:58Very minor thing on top of that.
0:56:59But yeah.
0:57:00Yeah, of course.
0:57:01I mean there are things that I would like for it to do that are different.
0:57:06But on the whole I am a real proponent of the changes that Apple has made.
0:57:12So a thing that I found really interesting about using iOS over this long period of time
0:57:19is with my two iPads, one that has this dedicated purpose, which is writing and research, and
0:57:27the other one, which is the everything iPad, all kinds of administrative, all kinds of
0:57:32work, I see both sides of how this works.
0:57:36So on my dedicated iPad, I feel like this is exactly what Apple is really optimizing for.
0:57:43I can put essentially all of the applications that I want to use on the dock,
0:57:48and on my writing iPad, every app does have a consistent buddy that it stays with.
0:57:55Ulysses and Bear, I'm always opening together.
0:57:58One's the main writing app, and then the other one is for auxiliary notes.
0:58:02Workflow and Do are side by side. They're always together.
0:58:07Like, To Do and OmniFocus stay together as a little pair.
0:58:11So, on this device, I have consistent pairs, which is great.
0:58:17It's nice to see the things that I want next to each other, next to each other all the time.
0:58:21And I also have the vast majority of my work is just there on the dock and easily accessible.
0:58:26It's like, this is great! I feel like this is exactly what this was designed for.
0:58:31But I do still feel like on my everything iPad, like I'm just losing my mind and I still find it very clunky and frustrating to work with.
0:58:42Because there I just don't have consistent pairs of apps.
0:58:48And I find myself always wishing it was a bit more like spaces on Mac OS where I could say,
0:58:56I want to define these two apps together and don't break them apart if I happen to go to something else briefly.
0:59:06I feel like I'm building castles out of sand.
0:59:11For example, this morning I was doing storyboarding feedback with the animator.
0:59:16That is a process that has a bunch of apps that I want to use.
0:59:20And I just keep finding it clunky to be constantly setting up pairs,
0:59:26but then I want to break them down because I want to bring in a third app,
0:59:29but I want to go back to the previous thing.
0:59:32I'm still finding it frustrating for intensive use of a large number of varied apps.
0:59:40But on the smaller case, it's great and perfect,
0:59:45but it's more frustrating the larger number of apps you use.
0:59:49I think the fundamental problem of people that feel the way that you do is thinking of apps as pairs.
0:59:55I don't think that Apple ever really asked you to do that. You decided to think of it that way on
1:00:02your own, right? But what I mean about the the pairs though is it's not the thinking of them as
1:00:09pairs. It's the switching like here's the use cases like I have one major
1:00:17So, like, what I was doing this morning is the perfect case.
1:00:20So I'm watching a movie that's a storyboard.
1:00:23So this is, like, the main thing that I want to look at.
1:00:26And then on the side, I want to be able to switch between three different things.
1:00:31Like, I want to have notes that I'm taking in Bear,
1:00:34I need to be able to talk to the animator in Slack,
1:00:38and there's a couple of other things where I need to bring up good notes
1:00:41to be able to make a quick sketch to make something that's clear,
1:00:44and then Dropbox to send a link back to the animator who I'm talking in Slack,
1:00:49but I never want to close the movie that I'm watching, which is the thing that is being commented on.
1:00:54That workflow, which is still very easy to do on a computer, is frustrating because of the
1:01:01the time it takes to switch the app on the side, and it's also frustrating because of the
1:01:08inconsistent steps of
1:01:11How do I summon these apps? Like where is this app that I'm trying to summon? Like let me get it from Spotlight.
1:01:16When I get it from Spotlight, I have to drag it over into just the right spot.
1:01:20I have to wait for the little animation to show me that it's going to go there. Like rapid switching between a few things is
1:01:27noticeably slower than rapid switching between a few things was under the old system. And I want to be really clear.
1:01:33I'm not asking for that old system. That was crazy.
1:01:37In iOS 10 you could use the command tab action to switch out just what was in the left pane.
1:01:43I understand that, I do miss that, but I don't want it back.
1:01:48There's other weird consistency problems that I sort of thought were bugs at first in iOS,
1:01:54but I think are not bugs, which is when you do the command tab switcher, what apps show up in that
1:02:01list? It doesn't show everything, and I don't understand what it's supposed to be showing.
1:02:05That is something that I think is wrong.
1:02:07However, Apple are deciding to make that list is is wrong
1:02:11because it should show everything and it should show pairs.
1:02:16But it doesn't.
1:02:17And it should show things that I've just touched.
1:02:21So it feels like this.
1:02:23The thing that it seems to miss the most is I've summoned an app from Spotlight
1:02:27and dragged it into an overview setting or like a not main view.
1:02:32And like then it doesn't show up in the command switch.
1:02:35It's like, I want that thing-- I was just there.
1:02:37That also adds to this frustration of trying to switch between multiple apps.
1:02:42Like, it's--
1:02:43So, I guess this is one of the things that also just doesn't help with, like,
1:02:48what is my dock setup going to be and how am I going to set up these iPads is
1:02:52the use case where I want to have the most number of things,
1:02:57I feel like I really need to cram the dock full of stuff.
1:03:02And this is where you can see on my everything iPad screenshot.
1:03:07Like, I have the Infinity folder, I have the Launcher folder,
1:03:10but I'm also trying to make a little communications folder,
1:03:13which is like, here are the little apps where I'm talking to people,
1:03:17and I find myself switching in and out of very frequently,
1:03:20and trying to put them in a folder on the dock
1:03:23so I can get access to them more quickly
1:03:25for dropping into the workspace that I'm using.
1:03:29like I'm trying to get around this, but I don't have a great solution that feels like,
1:03:36"Wow, I'm really flying through my work on this iPad." It still feels really clunky for me to do that.
1:03:42So I can see in the specific use case that you've posted in that you want to use three apps plus for
1:03:50video, right? And I'm assuming picture-in-picture isn't working for you here for whatever reason
1:03:56that might be. It's not really worth getting into.
1:03:58Yeah, the details don't matter.
1:04:00But picture in pictures is either the view isn't large enough or the app that you use
1:04:03doesn't support it, whatever. I can see for that where it's frustrating, right? But because you're
1:04:09watching a video, I think for basically any other workflow issue, you can just deal with switching
1:04:14into a different app for a moment, right? Like if you need four apps, well, just using three of them
1:04:19because you can use three if you slide over and then you just command tab out to the other app,
1:04:24enter whatever you need to go in there and go back. The specific use case that you're posing
1:04:28is tricky because you want to be watching the video at all times. But you know, just I would
1:04:33just say like it's frustrating but just pause the video right like that that's that's the workflow
1:04:37you will end up getting yourself into I reckon just like well I'll pause for a moment and do
1:04:41what I need to do and go back. I get that there have been some workflows that I have had to change
1:04:48as well but I take this small frustration because the system as a whole is vastly superior to what
1:04:58has come before it and I really think that a lot of people are getting more frustrated about this
1:05:04just because of how close it is to the Mac now which I actually think is a testament to how good
1:05:10iOS 11 is that people are getting more frustrated about how it's different to the Mac because it is
1:05:17so good and it's so powerful it's almost like an uncanny valley thing where people are less
1:05:23comparing it to what ios 10 was and comparing it to what they think it should be because of how
1:05:29the mac works so yeah like i i will agree with that 100 because there was no doubt in my mind
1:05:36that it's a bit of a frustration for me because like on i don't know about you but on the mac i'm
1:05:42a very heavy spaces user.
1:05:44Yeah, I am.
1:05:45I really like the ability to use lots of spaces.
1:05:48I think most heavy iOS users use the Mac that way.
1:05:51Hmm, maybe.
1:05:53And so yes, it does invite that comparison of, on the Mac it's much easier to be fussy
1:05:59about my spaces and which apps go in what spaces, and then it feels like I'm switching
1:06:04between a whole bunch of different virtual desktops that have been left just the way
1:06:10I want them to be.
1:06:11And so like I will completely agree with you on that.
1:06:14That is, it is impressive in a way
1:06:16that the comparison is now,
1:06:18oh why can't I do this as lightning fast
1:06:21as I can do it on a full desktop computer?
1:06:23You and I have always acknowledged
1:06:24that there are many things on the iPad
1:06:26that we have always known it is slower to do,
1:06:30but it doesn't change the fact
1:06:31that we like working on an iPad way better.
1:06:34Like and that has always been a trade off
1:06:37that we're willing to make.
1:06:38- Yeah, like I know that dragging from the dock
1:06:41is slower than however any other system would use it, even the previous system.
1:06:45But I don't care because I enjoy it more.
1:06:47I like the multitasking because I'm multitasking with my hands.
1:06:52Like, I like it. I like the feeling of it.
1:06:54But I understand. I understand the concerns.
1:06:57But like, I think this is the best we could have got
1:07:00because any more than this would have been way too complicated.
1:07:04Like a jump bigger than the jump that Apple have made here
1:07:08would have been too much, especially when at this stage that we're at right now,
1:07:13and we'll still be at for a few weeks as app updates come out, we haven't even
1:07:16realized the full potential of what this system is because
1:07:20we don't really have the opportunity to use drag and drop very heavily
1:07:24because the app support isn't there yet because they're not out yet.
1:07:28So I think that like there are still things that we've yet to fully
1:07:33appreciate for what this system is doing.
1:07:37So I think any more than what Apple has added in 11 would have been way too complicated.
1:07:43Like the idea of having persistent pairs and having apps that can be open with other pairs
1:07:49in multiple instances inside of the multitasking pane, I think that kind of thing might come in the
1:07:55future. But if they would have put that in now, it would have been like a nightmare scenario to
1:08:00try and understand what was going on. I will completely agree with that. My frustration is
1:08:05is simply the thing that I was trying to remedy
1:08:07with the keyboard shortcut is,
1:08:10like I'm very used to just switching stuff fast
1:08:13with the keyboard.
1:08:14And my main frustration is, it's like,
1:08:16I will happily learn complicated keyboard commands
1:08:19if it lets me move between a bunch of,
1:08:21but like there's just no way to do that
1:08:23under the current system.
1:08:24It's like-- - Like command shift alt tab
1:08:27could change the left app or whatever.
1:08:30- I think I had some great suggestions for app shortcuts,
1:08:32but whatever.
1:08:33[laughs]
1:08:35It's-- I think that that's one of the things that also just-- it feels like it slows it-- slows it down.
1:08:40But again, I keep thinking of the--
1:08:43Like I mentioned last time, like for-- for my aunt who uses an iPad Pro is her main computer.
1:08:49This is a hell of an upgrade and she is not a very technical user,
1:08:54but I think the system is
1:08:56brilliantly designed because I know it will take her no time at all to figure out what to do.
1:09:00You just move it with your hands like it's a physical object or ignore it completely, right?
1:09:05You can ignore it completely if you don't notice it and it's fine. Yeah, or yeah, it doesn't even matter
1:09:10That's why like it's it is a great solution to a very difficult thing
1:09:15I just I just wish for pro users. There was like a faster way to do more precise stuff
1:09:20You've got some beautiful wallpapers on your iOS devices here, Myke
1:09:24Thank you two of them are
1:09:28creations of in 5k of old Apple Mac desktops, which I'll put a link in the show notes
1:09:35Stephen Hackett and our amazing designer Frank put those together together
1:09:40the one on my iPhone is actually a
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1:09:57which is the video game show that I do, you have that same black one on your phone that
1:10:02you've had forever, the fractal one, although it's better than whatever that out of time
1:10:07home screen was, that weird dusty thing. And I'm assuming, I didn't, I hate, not good.
1:10:16I assume that the other two are both Apple's ones, right? I think that that's beach one
1:10:22is too? No the beach one's not Apple's one. The paint splash is an Apple one. I feel like in
1:10:31beta season I'm more daring with what wallpapers I might use on different devices.
1:10:36You're wild right now. Yeah so this is Gray Gone Wild with his wallpaper backgrounds. I think
1:10:43after beta season is over we might calm down a little bit and go to something more
1:10:51button-down and business-like.
1:10:53But where is the beach one from?
1:10:55I don't know actually where that beach one is from.
1:10:59I can't remember where I got that originally.
1:11:00Let's hope nobody wants it because if you don't know where it's from, I can't give people
1:11:04the links.
1:11:05This is why we're mentioning the wallpapers because people always want them.
1:11:09This is what reverse image search is for.
1:11:11Yep, that's how people found the original one that you couldn't find.
1:11:15Oh actually I should make a plug
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1:11:35and so it's similar to the old one that I used to have
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1:13:31Oh, Myke. I'm exhausted.
1:13:35Oh, I'm sorry.
1:13:37I really am, because I feel like when we talk about these--
1:13:40I have to mentally go through all of my thoughts for the past many weeks about decisions.
1:13:46We've barely touched this in the depth that I feel is adequate.
1:13:51But I cannot go on any further.
1:13:54We had topics planned for the show, which have all been destroyed by home screen discussion.
1:14:00which always eats everything.
1:14:03- Everything.
1:14:05- And so, what I really wanna know about right now,
1:14:10as we're ending this show,
1:14:11is tell me more about your laundry.
1:14:14(laughing)
1:14:16- I have a lot to say, believe it or not,
1:14:18about my laundry, 'cause I'm back home now,
1:14:20and it was halfway through my trip,
1:14:22so I needed to do more laundry before I got home.
1:14:26- The continuing adventure of Myke's laundry.
1:14:28- Yeah, I did laundry two more times, in fact.
1:14:32- Okay, so when we last checked in with your laundry,
1:14:38you had asked for advice for people
1:14:40about what you were gonna do.
1:14:42- Yep.
1:14:43- So what happened?
1:14:43What happened in America with your laundry?
1:14:46- So, remember last time,
1:14:49I had done expensive hotel laundry
1:14:52and I had done one load of laundry at my co-founder's house
1:14:54using a machine I didn't understand.
1:14:57And that me and you were talking about the idea
1:15:00and how great it will be to use one of those apps,
1:15:03you know, like the laundry app,
1:15:04so they can pick up the laundry for you.
1:15:06I have some bad news, Gray.
1:15:08All of the apps that I tried
1:15:10required a US telephone number for signup.
1:15:13- Okay.
1:15:15- And I couldn't trick them.
1:15:16- What do you mean by trick them?
1:15:18- Like entering a random number
1:15:20or entering a number that was my number
1:15:22but in some weird US format,
1:15:24because they all want to send you a text message
1:15:27to confirm the phone number to confirm sign up.
1:15:30- Yeah, this is what Skype phone numbers are for.
1:15:32No, I didn't think of that, did you?
1:15:36- No, and you know what's really annoying?
1:15:37Is I actually set up a Skype telephone number two days ago
1:15:41because I needed it for a conference call
1:15:43and I didn't put two and two together.
1:15:47Can Skype numbers receive text messages?
1:15:50- I am fairly sure they can.
1:15:52- Okay.
1:15:53- And if they can't, I know a lot of these services
1:15:56do a fallback where they call and give you the pin.
1:15:59- Mm, yeah, see that would have been it.
1:16:01- I know for a fact I have verified stuff
1:16:04that demands a US phone number
1:16:06with my Skype US phone number.
1:16:09I know I have done this. - Yeah, okay.
1:16:11- You're making me slightly doubt myself
1:16:13about the text message,
1:16:14but I know I have used it to verify something.
1:16:15- Can you use the call fallback?
1:16:17So this is a CGP Grey brand life hack
1:16:20for everybody out there on the world.
1:16:22This is good, 'cause they're not cheap,
1:16:25those Skype numbers, but I do have one now because every now and then someone needs to
1:16:29call me. I need to talk to someone on the phone and it's just like, oh, can we use Skype?
1:16:35And it's just like a whole big deal. But now I have a phone number that people can call
1:16:39and with I think it was with iOS 10. If I'm signed in on Skype, it just rings as if it's
1:16:44not. So yeah, that's good. I have that set up now. I didn't think of that at the time.
1:16:48So there you go. You either need that or you can't do it. So when I was in Brooklyn, which
1:16:54the way, I love Brooklyn, obviously. Love Brooklyn.
1:16:58Wow, what a surprise. What a surprise. Surprise, surprise.
1:17:02Do you like Portland too, Myke? I like Portland, I like Brooklyn. I also
1:17:06stayed in the east, like the Lower East Side, like the East Village. Love that too,
1:17:10obviously. Yeah, all good, all good stuff for Myke. Lots of Mykey things in those places.
1:17:15I took my clothes to a laundromat, like a laundromat that had a wash and fold
1:17:21service. I wasn't 100% sure what that meant, but I assumed what it meant was they would wash and
1:17:27fold my clothes. That's what it sounds like. It's what it sounds like, right? So I was like,
1:17:31I figure that this is what I'm looking for, right? But I'd never used one of these services before,
1:17:37so I just took my, I basically took my clothes in a bag into this place,
1:17:41making an assumption of what would occur, and I put it down and I said, "Can you take care of
1:17:47these?" And they said yes, and they gave me a piece of paper and that was it. And I was like,
1:17:51All right, well, we'll see what happens.
1:17:53That cost me nine dollars, that that load of clothes, and it was great.
1:17:57And I was very happy.
1:17:58And it came back basically exactly the same as the hotel stuff,
1:18:02just not with a blue ribbon.
1:18:04So, you know, you don't feel the need to bleep that number nine dollars.
1:18:08No, I'm fine with nine dollars.
1:18:10So you're going to let that go through.
1:18:11Uh huh.
1:18:12There was an unexpected side effect of the last episode for me.
1:18:16Yeah, something I didn't anticipate was the amount of direct messages
1:18:20I was going to get from friends asking me just one simple question. Can you guess what
1:18:26that question was?
1:18:27How much did you pay for your laundry?
1:18:29Yes.
1:18:31Pretty much everybody that I know.
1:18:33Everybody wanted to know.
1:18:34Everyone wanted to know. And as I assumed would happen, all the listeners wanted to
1:18:42know too.
1:18:43Yeah, that's what you get for bleeping.
1:18:45Yep. I mean, I knew it would happen. I was fine with it. But then something really interesting
1:18:50happened in the reddit thread. Someone with the username "funkyu" put together a google
1:18:58form to employ the wisdom of the crowd, which I found out was like this method of trying
1:19:06to guess something by using multiple people's guesses and you take the averages of the guesses
1:19:11and it gives you something which is expected to be correct. Now this person put together
1:19:18this survey, they weeded out some of the more wild answers, which was probably the right
1:19:25thing to do, and came up with an answer of $153.21 over 183 responses. They then closed
1:19:37it down after that point just because they felt that they had a good sense of the answer
1:19:42from that point. Now, because this number was so close to the actual number, I felt
1:19:51that it was only fair for me to confirm it. So the actual number that I paid for my laundry,
1:19:59dear listeners, was $116.
1:20:04That's pretty good for a wisdom of the crowd estimation.
1:20:07And I didn't want to share the number at the time, or cold, because I still believe if
1:20:11If I would have said $116, I would have been inundated by people saying how ridiculous
1:20:16that is to spend on laundry.
1:20:18It is ridiculous.
1:20:19It is ridiculous.
1:20:20But also all of my friends that asked me, how much did you spend?
1:20:23I said to them, my first answer for everyone was, how much did you think?
1:20:28And everyone went higher.
1:20:30So I still believe that by not giving that number, everyone thought it was worse than
1:20:34it actually ended up being.
1:20:36Because I still think $116 is an embarrassing amount to spend on laundry, especially when
1:20:40and I got the same amount done for $9.
1:20:43But I feel better about my $116
1:20:46because most people thought it was 1,000,
1:20:49which was wild to me.
1:20:50People kept thinking I spent $1,000.
1:20:52I would say keep the clothes, right?
1:20:55Like you can have 'em.
1:20:57I don't want 'em anymore.
1:20:58Take 'em.
1:20:59$1,000, no, that's ludicrous.
1:21:03I spent 116 was the amount.
1:21:05- So you feel like you've done
1:21:07successful expectation management here?
1:21:09I do actually. I feel like I managed this best for my own personal well-being. $116
1:21:20was the amount. Congratulations to everybody for getting so close with $153. So I assume
1:21:27that there was just a lot of people that have probably been through this themselves. I also
1:21:31did hear from a lot of people that have been through this themselves who had a guess of
1:21:34amount because they know how much this stuff costs. So I think this can close out the laundry
1:21:40now because I'm back at home and I'm doing my laundry at home with a machine that I understand.
1:21:46And it's effectively free because our water is paid for by our building so I don't need
1:21:52to pay the water bill. I guess it's just the electric that powers the washing. Anyway,
1:21:59I expect it's less than $9 a load.
1:22:01What do you want? You're walking us into a kilowatt hour cost conversion calculation here?
1:22:07Is that what you're going towards?
1:22:08I really don't need that. We're all good. I'm cool with what it's costing me at home,
1:22:12but there we go. So that's the laundry.
1:22:15I'm glad you're back to your front-loaded washer.
1:22:18It's just so much more easy to understand. I used another one of those top-loading washers
1:22:25with some more friends because we went for a vacation with friends,
1:22:29and I still don't understand it.
1:22:31I just don't get it.
1:22:32It doesn't make sense to me.
1:22:34There's like this big wheel
1:22:35and it has like a million options on it.
1:22:38I just, I don't get it.
1:22:39- I think we're just gonna have to put this aside
1:22:40as cultural differences, my--
1:22:42- It is, oh, 100%.
1:22:43I'm not saying it's wrong.
1:22:44I'm just saying I don't understand it.
1:22:47You know, in the same way that I would imagine
1:22:48people that are used to the top loading machines
1:22:51have to take some time to understand
1:22:52the front loading machines, 'cause they're different.
1:22:54- They're not that different.
1:22:56- I wanna just, before we finish today, Gray,
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1:24:03real thanks to you Myke and to Jason Snell for all of the work that you two
1:24:10put into that episode. I feel like this is a thing where I get to just show up
1:24:17and I have a lot of fun doing those episodes, but I always feel the need to re-emphasize.
1:24:27I am so aware that those member episodes work because Jason does such a fantastic job of being
1:24:38the computer, being the parser. That is a much more imaginative role than it may seem to the listener,
1:24:45like the things that he has to keep track of and all of the work he has to do live while we are recording
1:24:51so I really appreciate that and
1:24:53to you Myke
1:24:55for the
1:24:57I'm going to say
1:24:59insane amount of editing you do to these these member shows all of the
1:25:05special effects that you add all of the
1:25:08atmospheric sound effects which which people might not even notice when they're listening but really add to the feel of the show
1:25:15I am very grateful to the tremendous amount of work that the two of you are putting into these shows.
1:25:23And I think it's what makes them fun to do.
1:25:27And I have to say, it makes them really great to listen to.
1:25:31I have listened to both of our member episodes multiple times, just out of enjoyment.
1:25:38Like, "Oh, is this work? Am I listening for edits?"
1:25:40Like, "Ah, I'm just listening because I like it."
1:25:42Like they're great shows and there's a lot of man hours
1:25:46that have gone into them.
1:25:48So thank you for all the work that you do on that.
1:25:50- It's a pleasure, genuinely it's a pleasure
1:25:52'cause I really, really love doing them.
1:25:55(laughing)