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0:00:00Gray, I need your help.

0:00:01- Yeah?

0:00:02- How do you break a four week sleep cycle?

0:00:04- Oh, Myke, Myke, I need your help with this.

0:00:10(laughing)

0:00:11- Oh no.

0:00:12Where have you been?

0:00:17- We'll get to that.

0:00:18Tell me what's going on with you.

0:00:19- Well, I mean, I've come back from my hurly day.

0:00:22My hurly day is over and I'm suffering

0:00:27from pretty bad jet lag.

0:00:29I thought that I had mostly gotten over jet lag as a problem in my life. Like it takes

0:00:33me a day or two and I adjust.

0:00:36You thought you solved jet lag just as a general problem?

0:00:39I wouldn't say that I feel like I'd solved it, but it's more that like I've gotten used

0:00:45to my pattern that if I just do things in a certain way for like a day or two, just

0:00:50like make sure I stay awake, embrace the fact that I won't sleep the next day, wake up at

0:00:55a normal time and then I'm good. That's usually how I deal with this stuff. No matter where

0:00:59I am. Like even if I'm on the West Coast, it just takes me like two days and I can get back into it.

0:01:03And that's mostly because I tend to live like close to East Coast time in London. You know,

0:01:11like I'm usually like going to bed at 2am and I wake up, you know.

0:01:15Yeah, you stay up pretty late.

0:01:16Yeah. So it helps me adjust relatively well. But this time, this time is not good. Like I've been

0:01:24home for three or four days and I'm just not sleeping and I feel terrible most of the day

0:01:30and then like it comes to about seven o'clock at night and I'm wired and ready to go.

0:01:40You have you have all of my sympathies. Jet lag. Jet lag is the absolute worst.

0:01:46Surely like how has nobody fixed this problem? Why isn't there like a surefire pill to take

0:01:54or some kind of beverage to drink that just fixes it.

0:01:58That is what I want. I feel like there should be some kind of refreshing beverage you could just drink.

0:02:03And it's like, "Oh great!"

0:02:04They just give it to you when you get off the plane.

0:02:05Yeah. Now I'm all set. It turned out all I needed was some electrolytes at the right time.

0:02:11And now I'm set. But no.

0:02:14I've heard that one of those Dreamliner planes changes the oxygen level and apparently that's supposed to help.

0:02:20But I'm not sure if I believe that either.

0:02:22But see, jet lag is one of those things because the symptoms are...

0:02:27Like, they're hard to define symptoms and they're slightly different for everybody.

0:02:32And this then breeds a whole world of home remedies

0:02:38and just superstitions around what works or what doesn't work.

0:02:43Just stand on your head and count backwards from ten.

0:02:45You fixed it!

0:02:48I have tried so many different things.

0:02:52And I've just I have found nothing nothing has any consistent success with trying to minimize it

0:02:58Okay, I guess

0:02:59Asterisk the only thing I have found that successfully works is simply refusing to acknowledge the time zone of the place that you are in

0:03:06That works. Yeah, other than that

0:03:09No, I have I have found no doesn't work for a month though

0:03:13Like I feel like I would have not really gotten anything useful done if I spent four weeks on London time in

0:03:19Various places in the US. I feel like I would have I really should have just not made that trip

0:03:23If that's what I was planning to do, right? Yeah, it's impossible

0:03:26It's not gonna work out for you Myke. So so I

0:03:30Have I have nothing to help you with this you were supposed to be my long-term travel guru

0:03:37Oh, and this is this is the one thing I truly need, you know

0:03:44Oh is this it? This is the one thing that you truly need and I have failed to deliver

0:03:48on this?

0:03:49You didn't help me with laundry really and/or just dealing with emotional trauma. So this

0:03:55was the one thing that I desperately need from you that I was hoping for a real just

0:04:00CGP Grey brand life hack and I have received just deal with it and/or don't change your

0:04:08time which is you know neither of those things neither of those things are

0:04:13helpful to me now right yeah no I I understand the reason why I was also

0:04:18asking like I need your help with this is because one I too would like a

0:04:22solution to jet lag that is simply magical but the other thing is I have I

0:04:29have also since this summer I have not been dealing with jet lag like I've been

0:04:36home long enough that jet lag is not a problem, but what I have been dealing with is clearly

0:04:41my whole sleep cycle is just messed up from an entire summer of strained schedules and

0:04:48frequent travel. And it's not jet lag, but it's kind of a virtual jet lag when you're

0:04:56trying to simply iron out your sleep schedule. And this has been the bane of my last several

0:05:04weeks is just trying to get my brain back into what I know is the optimal schedule for

0:05:10me for work and for happiness and it's just like I cannot do it. I can feel my brain resisting

0:05:18getting put back into a regular schedule after two months, three months without a regular

0:05:24schedule.

0:05:26And as well for me, the irony is not lost upon the fact that I have returned home with

0:05:30this terrible sleep cycle in what is probably the busiest two weeks of my year.

0:05:34These two weeks are the busiest two weeks of your year?

0:05:36iPhone season.

0:05:37Oh, of course! I was thinking, I was thinking, why is Myke so busy in early September? But yes.

0:05:45By the time this episode comes out, the iPhone will have been shown to the world,

0:05:50or will about to be shown to the world. So by the time most people hear this,

0:05:55they're either getting ready for an iPhone keynote or have already seen it.

0:05:58Ooh, that's exciting.

0:06:00So they're living in a future where we have or do not have face unlocking, we have or do not have

0:06:06touch ID and a big screen. The people they know, Gray, they lord that over us right now.

0:06:13We're stuck in the past.

0:06:14We're stuck in the past.

0:06:15Although somehow while we're recording the show, it feels like we're already in that

0:06:21glorious new iPhone future. So while I'm talking to you right now, it feels slightly like time

0:06:26traveling but it isn't but yes of course for you in particular for a man

0:06:33who does so many tech and tech adjacent shows this would be the busiest season

0:06:38and not a good time to have a bunch of jet lag interfering with the rest of

0:06:44your work. No luckily they didn't have the event or announce the event before I

0:06:48came home like or that it just didn't overlap like badly. Luckily when

0:06:54they announced it, they announced it, it was like it's gonna be in two weeks time, so I

0:06:57was able to just come home and then try and deal with myself and then get back to work

0:07:02again. So unfortunately I will just, I will just live with my weird sleep cycle for now

0:07:08and hopefully in October I will have fixed it ready to go back to the US again. So hooray,

0:07:15hooray for jet lag I guess. Oh no. I've just realised by the time that I get this thing

0:07:23fixed I'll have to break it again. This is what happens. This is what happens when you have to do a bunch of

0:07:28travel. It's just it's frustrating and and this kind of thing

0:07:33really does take a while to sort out. Like getting it getting into I find for me anyway personally like

0:07:42maybe the number one predictor of

0:07:45how well a day is going to go is

0:07:49if I got up at the time that I'm supposed to. Like if you had to take a single data point and

0:07:55see if it was

0:07:57most correlated with what I would consider a productive day, that would be by far and away the single data point that would matter the most.

0:08:03And

0:08:05it's, it is very

0:08:07because like unlike so many other things in our working life

0:08:13sleep is a thing that is like you really have

0:08:18no control over it. You can't just knuckle down and get to sleep harder than you're trying to get to sleep at this very moment.

0:08:29And at least for me, if you wake up and your body wasn't ready to wake up, it feels like you have woken up dead.

0:08:37It's just awful and it's so hard to do anything productive.

0:08:41I don't know, it's like a thing that is just interesting that at least I find that as time has gone on, like this matters more and more as a thing that is super important and is a thing that I focus on and try to keep on a regular schedule.

0:08:59But yeah after after the summer it like this is this is a thing that I have personally been

0:09:04Struggling to get back into a regular schedule for a while

0:09:07But it's like I can just I can feel my brain just pulling against against the regular schedule

0:09:13Even though of course like it'd be better for me in the long run

0:09:16But like it doesn't that doesn't help you in the short run if you could choose

0:09:21to not sleep

0:09:23But lose 25% of your productivity

0:09:27Would you take that?

0:09:29Wait, I get an additional third of my life back?

0:09:33Sure, you get all the time back.

0:09:35Okay.

0:09:36But you are 25% less productive.

0:09:38Would you take that deal?

0:09:41Yeah, yeah, that seems like a great deal.

0:09:43I'm getting 33-- I'm getting a third of my life back, and I'm only losing a quarter of productivity?

0:09:50That seems like an amazing deal.

0:09:51Okay, what if you lost a third of your productivity?

0:09:54So it just ended up balancing out.

0:09:56Would you take it then?

0:09:57Okay, so when you say balance out, you mean I get the same amount of stuff done that I

0:10:05get done now, but I'm also, I never have to sleep?

0:10:08Yeah.

0:10:09Yeah, what's the trade-off?

0:10:10Who wouldn't take that?

0:10:11But I feel like people enjoy sleeping, right?

0:10:14This is why I'm assuming.

0:10:15So there are people in the world that just would prefer to sleep, or just ended up working

0:10:19out the same, just take the sleep.

0:10:21But like I would even take the the option where it balances out because I would just end up playing more video games or whatever

0:10:27yeah, I

0:10:30mean, I mean, I guess I

0:10:32Guess I could say in a minor in a very minor way

0:10:36I enjoy sleep

0:10:37But that's only because sleep is it gets it's the your brain makes you like it because it's the solution to a problem

0:10:43I only ever enjoy after it's happened. I never want to do it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah right now actually

0:10:50Right now

0:10:52Saying that I it's half past four in the afternoon might be pretty I feel like I could do

0:10:57with a good nap right now, but I guess the answer to your question is no like I don't I don't feel like oh

0:11:03Sleep is the best. It's like I would much rather have the hours

0:11:06back I don't I don't see sleep as a

0:11:10recreational activity that is worth a third of my life and I can't imagine anybody would would see it that way

0:11:17I don't know. I think it has a lot to do with how you like to spend your time, right?

0:11:26Like part of it is because I would prefer to be working as much as I can when I'm awake

0:11:32and then spend the rest of the time just playing video games and doing the things that I don't

0:11:37want to do but not everybody wants to work to that amount. So I guess like if all you

0:11:42wanted to do was put in eight hours, six hours, seven hours of work a day or whatever it is

0:11:47that you end up putting in and you're cool with that, like that's the way that you want

0:11:50to be, then maybe you would want the sleep.

0:11:52Yeah, but you could still just spend it as recreation time.

0:11:55Yeah, but I assume that there are some people that enjoy the practice of sleep, right? They

0:12:00just like getting into bed and cosying up and just going away for a bit.

0:12:06I don't think that's Cortex listeners. I think the people who listen to Cortex, they're not

0:12:10people who are big enjoyers of sleep.

0:12:13I want to know. In the Reddit, I just want to know. Sleep on no sleep. So you got to

0:12:18tell me. Sleep on no sleep. I'm interested to know this now. If people would like to

0:12:22sleep or would not like to sleep. I'll tell you what I'll do. I will post in the Reddit

0:12:27just a simple survey. You can click the link. It will take you somewhere. I just want to

0:12:31get an idea now. Sleep on no sleep. It will be in the Reddit thread. You'll find it.

0:12:36And of course, all of the home remedies for how to take care of jet lag. Unsolicited,

0:12:41Doubtless will be there. You need some sleep, Myke. You gonna take a little nap during the

0:12:44show?

0:12:45Yeah, I'll uh, actually I'll see what's next in our document. I'll just get you talking

0:12:50and I'll pop in towards the end, assuming that I figure I know what you're gonna say.

0:12:57So I'll just go away. There's a sofa behind me. I'll just go and sit there for a little

0:13:02bit and then I'll come back when you're done with your frustrations.

0:13:06I've just come back from visiting my parents. They've moved house and of course setting

0:13:11Setting up a new house is a big job.

0:13:13There's lots of things to do.

0:13:15And one of the things you need to do when you're setting up a house is get a mattress

0:13:19for the guest bedroom.

0:13:20Now of course, since my parents listened to Cortex, there was only one choice of mattress

0:13:25that they were going to get.

0:13:26The Casper mattress was delivered before my arrival, but as I had never tried one in person,

0:13:32they saved it for me.

0:13:33So when I got home, on the very first day, there was no mattress set up for me to sleep

0:13:38on.

0:13:39there was a big Casper box in the room.

0:13:42And together, we opened it up.

0:13:44It was a genuinely exciting family event.

0:13:47To open the box, my dad and I arranged the mattress

0:13:50on the bed, we removed the plastic covering,

0:13:53and just like Casper promises, the mattress self-inflates.

0:13:58Within mere moments, it was ready to go.

0:14:01That night, at the end of a day of long travels,

0:14:04I crawled into bed onto the Casper mattress

0:14:07for the first time.

0:14:08How would a mattress be without springs inside?

0:14:11How would a mattress be that came delivered in the mail?

0:14:15Well, I'm here to report that it was good.

0:14:18You could even say that it had just the right sink,

0:14:21just the right bounce.

0:14:23I was very glad that my parents had not carted with them

0:14:25the old guest mattress that I used to sleep on,

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0:14:31The Casper mattress, vastly superior.

0:14:34And that is as it should be.

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0:15:43Thanks to Casper for supporting this show, and thanks to Casper for giving me excellent

0:15:48night's sleep at my parents' house.

0:15:51So of course, with the imminent release of a new iPhone comes a new release of iOS.

0:15:58iOS 11 is just around the corner. It's going to be with us soon.

0:16:03And...

0:16:05We have, because we're the kind of people that we are, Myke, we've been running the betas for a while.

0:16:11I told myself, like I tell myself every year, like, "I'm not going to install the beta. I'm gonna wait a while."

0:16:18But of course I have to give in, so I've been running the beta since the very first public beta that was available.

0:16:25and I was not able to resist.

0:16:27And just before it goes public,

0:16:29I thought this is kind of a good time to talk about

0:16:34a couple of little frustrations

0:16:37and also what's going on with the dock

0:16:42and our home screens.

0:16:44What do you say, Myke?

0:16:46Are you there, Myke?

0:16:46- I mean, anytime you talk about home screens,

0:16:48I'm ready to go.

0:16:49You said the magic word.

0:16:51I'm revitalized, let's do this.

0:16:53(laughing)

0:16:55I think it is worth mentioning for a piece of long-term follow-up that you did not get

0:16:59your wish, right, of the opening of applications via a keyboard shortcut.

0:17:05Maybe people listen to you, but nobody's put it into place.

0:17:09I'm pausing here for a moment to think about how much I can say.

0:17:12I'll put it in vague ways that I can say that I know this has been received and that there

0:17:20maybe reasons that it doesn't happen that maybe I don't necessarily agree with, but

0:17:27I don't know. Who knows? Who knows?

0:17:29Who knows if an email could have been received or sent? No one could know. There is no way

0:17:35of knowing. Yeah, who knows if like a frustrating non-answer

0:17:39was received? Nobody. Nobody could know.

0:17:41Certainly not me. No way.

0:17:42Anyway, so yeah, I was hoping last time that for just barely, just like the tiniest of

0:17:49keyboard shortcuts added and that hasn't happened and I don't think it's going to happen in

0:17:54the next two weeks or week until the final version comes out.

0:17:59So we can assume that that's definitely not the case.

0:18:02I think we can feel pretty sure at the fact that we are currently at beta 10, we're good.

0:18:08This is what it's going to be most likely.

0:18:10Yeah, I think so.

0:18:12So around this, one of the biggest changes with iOS on the iPad is the introduction of

0:18:18dock on the bottom screen. And for someone like me and someone like you who spends a

0:18:23lot of time working on the iPad, I feel like that dock on the bottom totally changes everything.

0:18:31It really makes the iPad a very different feeling device to work with than on the previous

0:18:37version of iOS. And I've been having just some interesting things about how do I arrange

0:18:47my dock now on my iPad? How do I arrange my home screen on my phone?

0:18:54And I feel like I'm slowly going crazy because I can't figure out what it is that I want to do,

0:19:02even though I've been working with this for a long period of time.

0:19:05So I took some screenshots today, Myke. Would you like to see what my current setup looks

0:19:10like on my various devices? You know I want to see. You don't have to

0:19:14ask me. You could send me these messages just on a random day in the middle of the night and I'll be

0:19:19happy to get them, you know, anytime. If you have your iPad around, I am legitimately curious to see

0:19:26what your home screen looks like because I feel like I'm very open to trying to figure out how

0:19:30have people set up things on their iPads and on their various devices. Do you want both or just

0:19:37one? #MultipadLifestyle. I want whatever you will give me. I'm going to give you three home

0:19:42screenshots and you can give me back whatever you want.

0:19:45Okay, so while yours come through to me, I'm going to go and get my iPad from the other

0:19:49room because I only have one of them with me right now and then I can send them both

0:19:52to you.

0:19:53Yeah, you go do that.

0:20:07Okay so screenshots have been exchanged.

0:20:10Screenshots have been exchanged.

0:20:12I have yours, you have mine.

0:20:14Okay, let me talk about what's going on in my mind here, Myke.

0:20:17So, in iOS 11, especially on the iPad, the dock is of paramount importance.

0:20:26It's the way to get to your apps because if you have an app that's on the dock,

0:20:33you can just drag it from the dock right onto the screen

0:20:37and so that you can go into the multi-app mode or you can have it hover over,

0:20:41Whereas apps that are on your home screen,

0:20:45to me the home screen now becomes like a dead space on your iPad.

0:20:50There are apps that you can launch, but only if you are already at the home screen.

0:20:56And there's no way to get to the home screen, to get to an app, to then put it into the multi-view mode.

0:21:03So because of this, I have decided that on my iPads the home screen is dead to me.

0:21:09Like I don't want to put a single app

0:21:14on my iPad home screen because I feel like,

0:21:17what is the point of this?

0:21:19All it is is a worse app launcher.

0:21:23There's no point to this at all.

0:21:26So I have banned all app icons

0:21:30from the home screen on my iPads.

0:21:33It dock or nothing.

0:21:35You took the nuclear approach.

0:21:36Well, I actually don't think this is the nuclear approach because I feel like the architecture

0:21:43of iOS 11 on the iPad so encourages you to use the dock that it feels like a penalty

0:21:53having apps almost anywhere else.

0:21:56But here's where I'm going crazy, Myke.

0:21:59Because the iPhone doesn't work this way.

0:22:01Oh, okay.

0:22:02Right, again, I wanted to say where we are in the world right now

0:22:06Mm-hmm, cuz it might we don't know yet, right?

0:22:09We just as this is as we stand right now, who knows what could happen with the next iPhone?

0:22:14But yeah, go on the iPhone doesn't work in this way. I understand that

0:22:17Yeah, the iPhone doesn't work like this

0:22:20now

0:22:21there may be

0:22:23If there is a merciful God in the universe

0:22:25Mm-hmm when the next phone comes out

0:22:29The next phone may work more similarly to the way the iPads do.

0:22:34Yeah.

0:22:34There may be a little dock that swipes up from the bottom.

0:22:37You know, it could be better when the next iPhone comes out.

0:22:41One can only hope.

0:22:42One can only hope. But you know what? It's not gonna be.

0:22:45It's not gonna be the same because there's not going to be a universe in which you can put eight

0:22:52icons in the dock on your phone.

0:22:54Yeah, it's only gonna be four, right? And maybe a folder. Still, that's gonna be the same.

0:22:59Yeah. Yeah, and there's not going to be multitasking on the phone presumably.

0:23:05So lots of things

0:23:07lots of things work differently. So I feel like I am trapped and trapped in this universe

0:23:14where

0:23:16consistency is not possible. That there is no solution

0:23:21that works everywhere the same that I want it to work. So I feel like when I'm using my phone

0:23:27I'm losing my mind about how do I launch apps on my phone versus launching apps on my iPad and

0:23:34as a result of this like what you are seeing what you were seeing in these screenshots is just my

0:23:41current state of arranging things

0:23:43Which is not good

0:23:45But what I can't tell you what I got what I I don't even want to know is how how many different ways?

0:23:52I have tried arranging things

0:23:55How many different placements I have tried, like different full-- like, I'm going crazy

0:24:00because there's a lack of consistency. Because as listeners to the show will know,

0:24:04we've talked about home screens a few times,

0:24:07and

0:24:08there's been something that for the entirety of my iOS use has been exactly the same,

0:24:16which is

0:24:18three icons in the dock, and those icons have been incredibly stable.

0:24:23Notes, Launch Center Pro, and OmniFocus.

0:24:27And I felt like that was a real centering location to,

0:24:33here is a thing that is consistent across all of the devices that you use.

0:24:38There's like a little launching station for the things that you want to access quickly and consistently everywhere,

0:24:44and it's the same on all of the devices.

0:24:47And then above that, because I live the multi-pad lifestyle and because I have a phone as well,

0:24:52you can arrange the icons that you use in particular on this device on the home screen.

0:24:58Mm-hmm.

0:24:59Right? But it's like, but all of that is gone now. So I'm just going crazy.

0:25:04I deconstructed my dock, I've put some new stuff in there, and I'm trying to figure out what to do,

0:25:10but I'm just, I'm going crazy, Myke.

0:25:12I can tell.

0:25:13I'm going absolutely crazy, and I don't know what to do.

0:25:15Alright, so, episode to episode, we've switched to crazy.

0:25:19Alright, that's, it's all on you now, buddy.

0:25:22I have, we have a lot I think that we want to get to about this today, but I just, we need to just go over, okay, we're going to come back to the doc, alright, and like kind of what that is, but I just have a bunch of questions first because I'm looking at these images, and it's all

0:25:39And it's all.

0:25:40- Yeah, here's the thing.

0:25:40You ask questions away because I don't even know

0:25:43what's happening in my world anymore.

0:25:44- Right. - Like I don't know.

0:25:46- What I don't understand from a fundamental perspective

0:25:49is you're complaining about consistency,

0:25:51but you have inconsistent apps

0:25:52in both the docks on your iPads.

0:25:54I don't get that, I don't get it.

0:25:56Like you can look at my screenshots

0:25:58and you'll see the docks are the same.

0:26:00The home screens differ in slight ways

0:26:02depending on what I do on those iPads,

0:26:04but the docks are the same,

0:26:06what I'm putting in them and where they go.

0:26:08And you have like all different apps

0:26:11in all different placements.

0:26:12And like some apps are on the dock on one

0:26:15and not on the other.

0:26:16Like there is no consistency

0:26:18and you are making it inconsistent for yourself.

0:26:20- Okay.

0:26:21- Evernote, look at Evernote just sitting there in the dock.

0:26:24My word, where are we in 2017?

0:26:26- Sitting in the dock, laughing at me.

0:26:29- I know, what is that thing it's next to?

0:26:30What is that red Fox arrow thing?

0:26:33What is that?

0:26:35- Oh, that's a Wikipedia viewer.

0:26:37Oh, yeah, I've seen this before.

0:26:39It's really good.

0:26:40It's called V, V for Wiki, I think is what to search for.

0:26:44It's a really great Wikipedia viewer.

0:26:47So here's where I'm trying to focus

0:26:48on consistency in my world, okay.

0:26:49Step one, I decided that it was time

0:26:55to let Launch Center Pro go.

0:26:58Ah, okay.

0:26:59Which may be one of the longest running apps on my phone

0:27:03that has changed the least.

0:27:05It's like that has been around for forever.

0:27:07- We were just talking about it, about the icon.

0:27:10- Well, this is why.

0:27:12On the episode "Out of Time", it comes up as a thing

0:27:16and I didn't want to specify anything at that point in time

0:27:18but I had already, when we recorded that show,

0:27:20gotten rid of Launch Center Prom.

0:27:22- Right, because on an episode "Out of Time",

0:27:23you cannot acknowledge the time.

0:27:26- Yeah, who knows when it occurs.

0:27:28Is that the rule for episodes "Out of Time"?

0:27:30I don't understand how that works.

0:27:31So I got rid of that.

0:27:32Now, I have tried other launchers,

0:27:35and I think other launchers are probably fine

0:27:39for other people.

0:27:40But, right, it's like I don't want to denigrate

0:27:43other launchers that people might use,

0:27:45because they are good, and they do, but like,

0:27:47there's a bunch of things I didn't like,

0:27:48and I'm very picky about this,

0:27:50and there's, like, the reason I had stuck

0:27:51with Launch Center Pro for as long as I had

0:27:53is because it solved a particular need very well.

0:27:56So I was thinking it through and realizing 95%

0:28:00of what I was using Launch Center Pro for in the past year

0:28:05was really as a way to kick off a bunch of workflows.

0:28:09So I had a whole bunch of stuff in the workflow app

0:28:12and Launch Center Pro was just a faster way

0:28:14to launch a workflow than going directly

0:28:17into the workflow app itself.

0:28:19This, what I'm about to say is going to sound crazy

0:28:21to people, but actually is, I think is great

0:28:24and is the part of the system I'm the happiest with,

0:28:27is I replaced Launch Center Pro with a folder

0:28:31that just has shortcuts to workflows.

0:28:36- No, this is better.

0:28:37The way you were doing it was worse.

0:28:39Like opening Launch Center Pro to launch workflows

0:28:44is a, I think, a slower way of doing it

0:28:46than what you're currently doing,

0:28:48which is to save, 'cause you can save workflows

0:28:50to the iPhone home screen

0:28:53with like this weird hack of Safari, basically.

0:28:56and this is quicker having that folder there and then hitting the button.

0:28:59That's one less tap.

0:29:01The reason I stuck with launch center pro

0:29:02is as long as I did is it was lightning fast to do it.

0:29:05It actually is a little bit slower with the folder.

0:29:08OK, because Apple's like, look at our beautiful animation.

0:29:11Yeah, OK, but hit by animation speed.

0:29:13OK. Yeah.

0:29:15Whereas especially if launch center pro was still kept in memory,

0:29:18it was essentially instant.

0:29:19So there's a little bit of a speed trade off here, but it's fine.

0:29:23I still think this is a better way to do it, though.

0:29:25It might not be faster, but I think this is cleaner.

0:29:29Yeah, so this is cleaner. It does have a disadvantage

0:29:33that I have to manually arrange everything so that it's

0:29:37the same on all of the devices. There's no syncing anymore. The state of what

0:29:41the launch center is. But that's fine. That's a fine trade-off.

0:29:45And if someone looks in the screenshots, what they will see is

0:29:49dead center on all of my devices, there is a folder

0:29:53and that folder has nothing but buttons which launch

0:29:57workflow actions.

0:29:58- Yeah, it's dead center but not always relative.

0:30:01- What do you mean not always relative?

0:30:03- It's not relative to the green and red.

0:30:05- Okay, no, we'll get into this in a second.

0:30:07We'll get into this in a second, Myke, right?

0:30:08- There's so many layers.

0:30:09- 'Cause I've thought about this for a long time.

0:30:10- This is like the onion of home screens we're in right now.

0:30:13- No, but listen, okay, listen, listen.

0:30:16Look at those three screens.

0:30:17The workflow folder is dead center.

0:30:20- Yes, it is, it is, it is.

0:30:22Look at those little dots that are supposed to show you the home screen or the widgets.

0:30:26I can see it.

0:30:27That is the center.

0:30:28Right?

0:30:29And the folder is directly below those dots or as close as a person can make it.

0:30:33Yes, it is.

0:30:34It is.

0:30:35I'm sorry.

0:30:36It's not perfectly aligned because of some aesthetic choices that Apple has made, but

0:30:41we'll just let that slide for right now.

0:30:43Yeah, that is weird, isn't it?

0:30:44It would be perfectly aligned, but it isn't.

0:30:45It's fine on the iPhone.

0:30:48Not fine on the big iPad.

0:30:49Yeah, not fine on the iPad.

0:30:52I bet that doesn't bother you at all.

0:30:54It does, very much so.

0:30:57Okay.

0:30:58Alright, so this is the anchor around which we're building everything.

0:31:03I've gotten rid of Launch Center Pro, I have found an adequate solution,

0:31:07it's going to go in the center on all of the devices.

0:31:10This is where we begin.

0:31:11My assumption here is that these are all to launch, most likely, toggle actions.

0:31:19Would be my assumption.

0:31:20Nothing in that center folder is for toggle. We'll get to this.

0:31:23Okay, good, good, good, good.

0:31:24I thought that was gonna be the end of the discussion and I was gonna lose my mind.

0:31:27[laughter]

0:31:31No, actually, most of those launch center things are pre-programmed stuff for OmniFocus and,

0:31:38like, a couple of other things.

0:31:39Okay, the purple ones I assume are OmniFocus and then there's other stuff.

0:31:42Yeah, purple ones are OmniFocus stuff.

0:31:44That's cool. That's all I really need to know. I just needed to know what they did,

0:31:48and that's enough for me.

0:31:49It's all inconsistent now because I haven't quite decided on like what this new setup is going to be so I haven't worried about

0:31:55Making sure it's consistent on every single device, but I'll get there at some point

0:31:59I've just noticed something else that you've done. Okay. What have you noticed in the iPad folders?

0:32:04You've put blank icons in there. So it's always the same. Yes. Okay, so this is

0:32:10This is one way this is one way I am trying to force

0:32:17out of an operating system that is trying to force me into an inconsistent state.

0:32:22Because you want the 3x3 grid everywhere.

0:32:25Because the thing with a launcher is that it's muscle memory, right?

0:32:29You're not scanning and looking for a thing, you're trying to make it muscle memory.

0:32:35So the iPhone only allows a 3x3 grid in the folder,

0:32:40so I am forcing a 3x3 grid in the folder on the iPads.

0:32:46But as you can see, that means the 3x3 grid is not centered, and it can't possibly be centered because the iPads want a 4x4 grid in the folder.

0:32:56So this is a trade-off I'm just going to have to make, that the grid will be off-center, but there's no way to manage that for the LauncherOne, and the muscle memory of where the buttons are is vastly more important.

0:33:08All of these images are in our show notes, so you can play along at home. I just wanted to reinforce that.

0:33:13Yeah, I think you have to look at this.

0:33:15You cannot conceptualize this unless you're seeing it, so you have to see it.

0:33:20If you're driving, just wait till later. We're all good.

0:33:23But you need to see these.

0:33:25Rethink number two.

0:33:26Okay. Can't believe we're just on number two, but okay.

0:33:28I know you can't believe we're just on number two.

0:33:31I feel like I'm barely halfway through whatever's going to happen.

0:33:34I'm still so dissatisfied.

0:33:36I have so many more questions.

0:33:38I keep seeing things that make me laugh.

0:33:41Because I know what you're doing, but I just need to double check.

0:33:44double check.

0:33:45Thing number two that happened is

0:33:48there's a change in iOS 11, which I really like,

0:33:51which is that you can put notes in Control Center.

0:33:55And so I realized I don't need notes on the dock anymore

0:34:00because the way I use notes is probably different

0:34:03from the way almost everybody uses notes

0:34:05in that I use it solely to just write down something

0:34:10and then once a week I kind of go through

0:34:13and cull all these random pieces of text throughout the week.

0:34:17I don't use notes as an organizational system of any kind.

0:34:20- Okay.

0:34:21- Notes is just, I need to write something down

0:34:23and I know future me will do whatever is necessary

0:34:26with this piece of text at a later point in time.

0:34:28- Okay, couple of questions on that.

0:34:29- Yeah.

0:34:30- Are you writing them down with a keyboard

0:34:32or with a pencil?

0:34:33- With a keyboard almost all the time.

0:34:36- Okay.

0:34:37And so I'm assuming that you're taking these things

0:34:41either putting them in a task manager or inside of a project that you're already writing and/or

0:34:47inside of your beloved Evernote would be my assumption.

0:34:50Yeah, it's like it's just anything, right? Like it's like a simple case,

0:34:54like somebody recommends a movie and I'm like, "Oh, okay." And I make a note of the movie title

0:34:57and then later I'll properly sort that into like the place where I keep a list of "here's a bunch

0:35:02of movies to watch or books that have been recommended" or right. It's just like little

0:35:05pieces of text that don't go anywhere in particular and it's not worth the effort of properly

0:35:10sorting them at the time.

0:35:12Right, okay. So it's different to me where like, if it's text, it goes in notes, right?

0:35:18If it's not a task, because tasks never go in notes, it always just like, so I would

0:35:22have my list of movies to see would be in notes, for example.

0:35:27I know that that is the way most people would use it, but it's just it's just not the way

0:35:31that I use it.

0:35:32Sure, I get that.

0:35:33is the app called Drafts.

0:35:35I use Notes the way Drafts is intended to be used.

0:35:39Like that's like a little comparison there.

0:35:41So it's not a storage facility of any point.

0:35:44- As a starting point for text, never the final point.

0:35:47- Yeah, exactly.

0:35:48And I really like this little change in iOS 11,

0:35:51that you can do it from Control Center

0:35:53because it also means that it's much more accessible,

0:35:57much more quickly in a bunch of scenarios.

0:35:59So I love that the phone is locked

0:36:01and I can just swipe up from Control Center

0:36:03and go to Notes and type something

0:36:05and it just goes into the system

0:36:07and I never even need to unlock the phone.

0:36:08- Yeah, that's a great thing that you can do that now

0:36:11if you want to set it up that way.

0:36:13- It is a really nice addition.

0:36:15And so that change meant,

0:36:17okay, well, Notes doesn't need to be on the dock anymore.

0:36:20Notes can just go away.

0:36:22- Yeah, and in an interesting way,

0:36:24that kind of reinforces your use case.

0:36:26- Yeah, it's almost like it's designed exactly for that.

0:36:30Like, oh, someone just said a thing,

0:36:31you want to write something down really quickly and you just want it to go into the system.

0:36:35You're not filing it at that point in time.

0:36:39So, I'm glad about that.

0:36:41But again, I'm all like muscle memory because this is a thing that happens lots.

0:36:46So I just want to know that whatever device I'm using,

0:36:50I've built it into my brain that, oh, the way you now type down a thing

0:36:55is just pull up Control Center, hit New Note, and just type it and done.

0:36:59So this is no longer a dock first activity.

0:37:03OmniFocus has also been removed from the dock, but this is a complicated thing.

0:37:07We'll just have to get to later. For various reasons

0:37:11OmniFocus is not going to be on the dock anymore, but it's like, I can't even articulate it.

0:37:15Of your iPhone, you mean? Yes, it's not on the dock of the iPhone.

0:37:19Because it's on the dock of one of the iPads. I know, I know.

0:37:23Reinforcing the inconsistency, but, you know, whatever. Yes, I know, I know.

0:37:27could be on the dock on the iPhone we'll just we'll get rid of that. Oh I just noticed Todoist

0:37:31is there as well wow look at you. Would you. Look at you Mr. Todoopants you got a wall

0:37:37going on. Would you stop, would you stop jumping ahead? I can't help it you shouldn't have

0:37:42given me the images you know like I can't I can't help it. Okay so there was then a

0:37:47long period of thinking well what the hell goes on my dock now for a while I tried nothing

0:37:53on the dock except that one folder. But that looks really dumb and it makes no sense on

0:38:00the iPads because again you're punished for not using the dock on the iPads and just having

0:38:06the one little launcher folder is ridiculous. What I have eventually settled on for my dock

0:38:13icons is a green plus and there's a red X. And I was trying to think what is the thing

0:38:22that I now do the most in the day.

0:38:24I've replaced my launcher,

0:38:26I've replaced the thing where I'm typing in stuff.

0:38:29What is the next most frequent activity?

0:38:31And of course, that is everybody's favorite topic,

0:38:34time tracking.

0:38:36- Oh no.

0:38:37- Time tracking is the thing that I do the most.

0:38:39- I promise we won't talk about this for too long, listeners.

0:38:41I really, I just want you,

0:38:43we'll get through this as part as quickly as we can.

0:38:46But yes, go on.

0:38:47- I promise you that we will as well

0:38:49because there isn't that much to say about it

0:38:50except what do these two buttons do?

0:38:53They are also workflows.

0:38:55So the green one simply launches a master workflow

0:39:00that allows me to very quickly select

0:39:02what is the activity that I'm doing right now.

0:39:04- This is what I'd assumed they were.

0:39:06And I thought that the middle folder was related

0:39:08to just triggering specific trackers,

0:39:10but that makes sense.

0:39:12Like the green and red, it made perfect sense.

0:39:15One is to start and one is to stop.

0:39:17I mean, and I have these, but they're in,

0:39:20I have them in my widgets in Notification Center.

0:39:23- So this is a thing that I had tried for a long time.

0:39:25Workflow has a fantastic widget.

0:39:28It's really, really great.

0:39:30But basically in iOS 10, there was an option to say,

0:39:34hey, you're in Notification Center.

0:39:36It's dumb, I don't ever use it, I don't care.

0:39:39Remember what the thing I swiped down last time was.

0:39:42So if I've pulled down the widgets,

0:39:45always just have the widgets there.

0:39:47but iOS 11 seems really proud of their notification center

0:39:50and they've removed this option.

0:39:52So in theory, I would want to use the widget

0:39:57to launch and to stop my time tracking,

0:40:02like across all devices, that'd be a way

0:40:03to do it consistently, but that extra swipe

0:40:07really annoys me every time.

0:40:09Doesn't it work if you just swipe to the left?

0:40:12Okay, but this is a thing that then becomes

0:40:15little bit in my mind like it like an inconsistent thing like which device am

0:40:20I using how do I open up that device like am I on the lock screen is the lock

0:40:26screen open or is a lock screen not like I tried it with the widget but it's it's

0:40:32just a little bit of an annoyance I don't feel that it's also but here's

0:40:39here's the use case that here's the use case that I will give you which is I'm

0:40:43I'm on the iPad doing something and I want to trigger the timer.

0:40:48Yeah, okay.

0:40:49Yeah.

0:40:50Where do I go?

0:40:51You have to pull down or go home and yeah, it's the thing.

0:40:53Right, I can't, yeah, there's like, so it's not the same every time.

0:40:57And this, again, is where muscle memory is really important.

0:41:00Like, this is an activity that I'm going to do dozens of times a day.

0:41:05It has to be something that I just don't think about.

0:41:09So that moment of being on the iPad with the apps open is like, I have to think about it

0:41:15for a second and now it's all ruined.

0:41:18So this is what ended up with the most sensible thing to do, was to put the time tracking

0:41:23stuff in the dock.

0:41:25And so I'm thinking of it from the perspective of the most space-constrained device, which

0:41:32is the iPhone, which you can only put three icons in the dock if you want it to look nice.

0:41:38So now I have my three doc icons.

0:41:41And so now we come to the iPads.

0:41:45OK.

0:41:48And so I have given you two screenshots because we

0:41:52live the multi-pad lifestyle.

0:41:53Hashtag.

0:41:54Yes, hashtag multi-pad lifestyle.

0:41:56The one with the standard Apple wallpaper,

0:42:00which is like the exploding paint, this is my Office iPad.

0:42:04So this is the one that I'm primarily using for writing.

0:42:08And then the one with the black sand beach, this is the Everything Else iPad.

0:42:13Okay.

0:42:15So the writing iPad is reasonably okay because the use cases are very constrained.

0:42:23And this is where I feel the happiest because it's like I want to use Ulysses to write,

0:42:29I want to use GoodNotes for the physical writing.

0:42:33I use Bear to organize a bunch of notes,

0:42:37and then of course I have Evernote and a Wikipedia app,

0:42:41and it's like, this is easily 95% of the time

0:42:44I'm going to spend on this iPad.

0:42:47So I can get it all in the doc,

0:42:48and I can get it arranged reasonably nicely.

0:42:50Now the thing that I'm trying to do

0:42:52to preserve my mental muscle memory

0:42:55is because since docs are variable in size,

0:42:57there's three muscle memory points here.

0:43:01Center, left hand side, right hand side.

0:43:05So this is what I want now to be the same

0:43:07across all devices.

0:43:08So the launching folder is in the center,

0:43:11the plus to start the timer is on the left,

0:43:14and the X to stop the timer is on the right.

0:43:17This is what's going to be the same across all devices.

0:43:21And all that means now is I need to

0:43:23put a symmetrical number of apps in between those points.

0:43:28So on my writing iPad, I have three apps

0:43:31between the left and the middle,

0:43:33and on the right-hand side, I have two apps

0:43:37plus a folder that contains everything else

0:43:41that's on the iPad.

0:43:42Since I've decided that there will be no apps

0:43:45on the home screen, that means everything else

0:43:48goes into the Infinity folder that holds

0:43:51all of the other apps that are going to exist on the iPad.

0:43:55So this is the idea of my dock solution,

0:43:59is you have one folder, that's the infinity folder,

0:44:04I have three muscle memory points,

0:44:07and then I fill in the rest.

0:44:08That's the idea of what's going on.

0:44:11- Can I ask you a question about the muscle memory thing?

0:44:14- Please.

0:44:15- Why didn't you put all three in the middle on everything?

0:44:17Because on the big iPad, because you have the recents,

0:44:20it's not on the far right.

0:44:22- In iOS 11, you have this option of,

0:44:25because the doc is so important,

0:44:27iOS will put three suggested apps in your dock on the right side.

0:44:33And these you don't have control over, they just appear, they're the suggestions, they're

0:44:38what Apple thinks you want to have.

0:44:43Now there's like a funny bit of space that's between these apps and the other apps that

0:44:49makes everything kind of off-center.

0:44:52And having the three right in the middle but not exactly in the middle makes it more obvious

0:44:59that things are off-center to me.

0:45:02It just visually bothered me more.

0:45:04Okay, so you tried it?

0:45:06Yeah.

0:45:07I tried it but it just looked weird.

0:45:10And I can, in my mind, sort of mentally place those suggested apps in a different location.

0:45:18And you like the suggested apps enough to keep it on the big iPad because it's not on

0:45:22the small iPad?

0:45:24Well we're trying a few things here.

0:45:28But we'll get to this in a second.

0:45:29It also helps that the red X I press far less than the start button.

0:45:33So it matters less that that one is in the exact right spot.

0:45:37But for me, for my brain, this just works even though it should seem like keeping everything

0:45:43in the center would make more sense.

0:45:46But I don't-- for like, for me, for somehow, this is just what seems to make more sense,

0:45:50is put them at the edges, even though on one of these devices there isn't quite an edge.

0:45:57So this is what I am trying.

0:45:59But this again, like, this world of inconsistency is crazy making, because on the iPad that

0:46:04I use for everything, I do have these suggested apps, because it's really useful to have them

0:46:11But I don't want them on my dedicated sort of writing office iPad because they're often just suggesting apps to me which are in the dock already.

0:46:21Right? Or they're things that I've just used and they're changing is annoying. Like it's not helpful because on that device I'm able to get just about everything that I want in the dock in the dock.

0:46:31This is where I am with the setup of things.

0:46:34I have a couple of observations.

0:46:36One, I enjoy the fact that you have decided that you are unwilling to take the colors

0:46:42of some icons and have recreated icons of your own, books and audiobooks.

0:46:47I'm assuming that they are literally just shortcuts to launch iBooks and Audible?

0:46:55And you have taken matters into your own hands and have gone for a more pleasing to you green

0:47:00color than the yellows.

0:47:03I have taken matters in my own hands. There's another one that you have missed there, which is Flashcards.

0:47:07No, I hadn't missed that. I had assumed that that wasn't real, but the books and audiobooks were more obvious to me.

0:47:14Yeah, Flashcards is a shortcut to the program I've been using for years and years, which is called Anki, which is-- it's great.

0:47:23It's a fantastic flashcard program,

0:47:25but it has a very ugly app that I don't think has been updated in years and years.

0:47:31I can tell how long you've been using it because you keep calling it a program, which is very

0:47:36strange.

0:47:37Yeah, you know what?

0:47:38That's totally, yeah, it is a program because I started using it in college on a computer.

0:47:44That is the program, everything else is an app.

0:47:46I love that your brain made that distinction.

0:47:50This is a computer program.

0:47:53Yeah, I would never have used that.

0:47:55And then because Amazon finally introduced proper text alignment in their app, I was

0:48:00Kindle.

0:48:01--switch back to using Kindles, which is great.

0:48:04But that Kindle app icon is horrifically ugly.

0:48:09Do not buy it.

0:48:11I will not allow that on my screen.

0:48:13I don't want to have to look at that.

0:48:16I hate that the apps have the words beneath the app

0:48:18to begin with.

0:48:20And then any app which also has to write

0:48:22its own name on the app icon in addition to the title

0:48:26underneath-- it's like, I can't deal with that.

0:48:28It's horrible.

0:48:28It's like, Kindle.

0:48:29yeah, I get it Kindle. Like I see the word twice. I hate it. So I just made a much better

0:48:35icon using workflow than they use. So yes, I have some replacement app icons for ones

0:48:42that are unacceptable.

0:48:46Except for the fact that you're running three to-do apps on your iPhone. I think that's

0:48:53most of my general questions.

0:48:57So my phone there, just to be clear, that to-do row, which is four icons that have check

0:49:02marks is--

0:49:03To-do lane, this is Simone.

0:49:04Yeah, it's a to-do lane.

0:49:05Just quickly so people don't think I'm going crazy.

0:49:07It's like the do is for reminders that are related to a particular time or timers that

0:49:10I want to run.

0:49:11As we've discussed in the past but we don't need to go over here again, it is useful to

0:49:17split certain kinds of tasks between to-do and omni-focus.

0:49:23So OmniFocus is generally like big project stuff and to-do is much much smaller things.

0:49:29And then to-do-ist is what I use to communicate with my personal assistant. So that is like

0:49:34shared tasks between the two of us.

0:49:37Oh, Wunderlist is dead.

0:49:39Oh, yes. Yeah. Wunderlist is gone.

0:49:43Maybe I should call this one to-doist. Like I have to give this one a new name now because

0:49:48Wunderlist is gone.

0:49:50No you don't. No, we don't need to do that.

0:49:52- Todoist is actually a pretty funny name, I like that.

0:49:55But I use Todoist and love it,

0:49:57so I wouldn't dare give it a different name.

0:50:00Even though Vunderlist is the way

0:50:01that that app should be pronounced anyway.

0:50:05- Yeah.

0:50:06- Todoist, interesting, okay,

0:50:08what do you think of Todoist?

0:50:09'Cause this is what I use every day,

0:50:10I mean, I extol its virtues, I like the automation.

0:50:13I bet that's pretty good for you

0:50:14if you're using it for shared tasks,

0:50:15to have things automated from it is pretty good.

0:50:19I actually don't use any of the automation features in it.

0:50:24This is a case where basically my assistant and I

0:50:27were running up against some limitations in Wunderlist.

0:50:30We just ran into some things where like,

0:50:32this isn't working great anymore.

0:50:34And primarily one of the things was like the need

0:50:36to be able to prioritize certain tasks above others.

0:50:39She is the one who is 95% using this.

0:50:42And I am simply like adding tasks and adding comments.

0:50:45So I feel like I can't really give a fair review of Todoist.

0:50:50- Yeah.

0:50:50- Like what I do use of it, I can say like,

0:50:54I'm not a huge fan and it feels like

0:50:57there's some really obvious things that are missing.

0:51:00But I can say that it is definitely

0:51:03a better collaboration solution

0:51:06when your collaboration gets more complicated.

0:51:09Like that's clearly the case.

0:51:10- Goodbye, Wunderlist.

0:51:12Goodbye, it's been a pleasure.

0:51:14I feel a little exhausted from all the explaining I've done

0:51:17of this setup that I have here, Myke.

0:51:20And I feel like I've barely even scratched the surface.

0:51:24- It might be your time for a nap.

0:51:26- Yeah, it might be my time for a nap.

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0:53:13What do you use the two different iPads for?

0:53:17What are the use cases for you of your two devices right now?

0:53:21So primarily, the primary use cases are home and out of home.

0:53:28So at home I use the 12.9 and away from home I use the 10.5.

0:53:33But I do use the 10.5 a lot at home if I'm going to be doing things like reading Twitter

0:53:42and stuff like that.

0:53:43I may just grab the 10.5 because it's just easier to hold and use because it's smaller

0:53:47and lighter.

0:53:49But like the primary is home and away, which is why I take steps to set them up very similarly.

0:53:57They're not exactly the same.

0:53:59So like some of the folders and the placement of some apps on the home screen is different,

0:54:03but that's not a thing that I worry about too much because if it's not in the dock,

0:54:09I'm opening it via Spotlight.

0:54:13And so like for me, the reason I still have apps on my home screen is because they're

0:54:19really just an organization thing, it's just like a place for me to put the apps because

0:54:23I open the majority of apps from Spotlight.

0:54:26Right, okay, so that makes sense. Since you are doing the same kind of things on both

0:54:31devices, it's a simple, it's simply the size factor and convenience factor of moving it

0:54:37or not moving it.

0:54:39Exactly.

0:54:40So that's why you want the dock the same everywhere because otherwise you would be losing your

0:54:43mind.

0:54:44And my steps are like, so I have less, you can have more apps in the dock on the 12.9,

0:54:53But I actually keep less because I like the consistency.

0:54:56I have noticed an inconsistency which I want to rectify that Dropbox on the large iPad

0:55:01is in the dock on its own, but on the small iPad it's in a folder.

0:55:06Although I expect as soon as Dropbox update for the Files app on iOS 11, I won't need

0:55:11it anymore really.

0:55:12I'll just be using the Files app.

0:55:14I'm kind of just waiting for that point.

0:55:17So the dock for me is really like these are the apps that I'm using most on my iPad and

0:55:22And I think it reinforces the fact that I say I use the iPad for work because they are

0:55:27work apps.

0:55:28Like, all of those.

0:55:30That's what they are.

0:55:32And the reason that they are all there is because these are the applications that I'm

0:55:35most frequently using in split views.

0:55:39So I keep them in the dock because it's way easier that way to just flick up and just

0:55:42drag it to where I need it to be.

0:55:44Which just for the record, because there is a lot of a, I think there's a lot of inconsistent

0:55:49opinions about how people feel about this.

0:55:51I love the new multitasking in iOS 11.

0:55:56I think it's fantastic.

0:55:57I think it is superior in almost every way.

0:55:59It just takes time to get used to and learn.

0:56:02But I absolutely love it.

0:56:05I love all the dragging because I'm able to visualize

0:56:08where everything's gonna be.

0:56:09iOS is very visual.

0:56:11I think that that is,

0:56:12I think there is a key to being able to work on iOS

0:56:15in the, if you like things visual.

0:56:18I think that that is a thing that you have to just

0:56:20get used to is that you like to be able to see things, you like to be able to see the

0:56:24movement of things, and being able to physically drag applications to where I want them to

0:56:30be and have them snap into a place and move them all around and the additional flexibility

0:56:35that iOS 11 multitasking has is amazing and I love it.

0:56:39And I've changed some of my workflows and they're changed now and I would never want

0:56:43to change them back.

0:56:44Yeah, I do again just want to make it really clear that I am also in favor of the changes

0:56:52and I think it's a really great the way that they have done it.

0:56:55I've just been advocating for something on top of that.

0:56:58Very minor thing on top of that.

0:56:59But yeah.

0:57:00Yeah, of course.

0:57:01I mean there are things that I would like for it to do that are different.

0:57:06But on the whole I am a real proponent of the changes that Apple has made.

0:57:12So a thing that I found really interesting about using iOS over this long period of time

0:57:19is with my two iPads, one that has this dedicated purpose, which is writing and research, and

0:57:27the other one, which is the everything iPad, all kinds of administrative, all kinds of

0:57:32work, I see both sides of how this works.

0:57:36So on my dedicated iPad, I feel like this is exactly what Apple is really optimizing for.

0:57:43I can put essentially all of the applications that I want to use on the dock,

0:57:48and on my writing iPad, every app does have a consistent buddy that it stays with.

0:57:55Ulysses and Bear, I'm always opening together.

0:57:58One's the main writing app, and then the other one is for auxiliary notes.

0:58:02Workflow and Do are side by side. They're always together.

0:58:07Like, To Do and OmniFocus stay together as a little pair.

0:58:11So, on this device, I have consistent pairs, which is great.

0:58:17It's nice to see the things that I want next to each other, next to each other all the time.

0:58:21And I also have the vast majority of my work is just there on the dock and easily accessible.

0:58:26It's like, this is great! I feel like this is exactly what this was designed for.

0:58:31But I do still feel like on my everything iPad, like I'm just losing my mind and I still find it very clunky and frustrating to work with.

0:58:42Because there I just don't have consistent pairs of apps.

0:58:48And I find myself always wishing it was a bit more like spaces on Mac OS where I could say,

0:58:56I want to define these two apps together and don't break them apart if I happen to go to something else briefly.

0:59:06I feel like I'm building castles out of sand.

0:59:11For example, this morning I was doing storyboarding feedback with the animator.

0:59:16That is a process that has a bunch of apps that I want to use.

0:59:20And I just keep finding it clunky to be constantly setting up pairs,

0:59:26but then I want to break them down because I want to bring in a third app,

0:59:29but I want to go back to the previous thing.

0:59:32I'm still finding it frustrating for intensive use of a large number of varied apps.

0:59:40But on the smaller case, it's great and perfect,

0:59:45but it's more frustrating the larger number of apps you use.

0:59:49I think the fundamental problem of people that feel the way that you do is thinking of apps as pairs.

0:59:55I don't think that Apple ever really asked you to do that. You decided to think of it that way on

1:00:02your own, right? But what I mean about the the pairs though is it's not the thinking of them as

1:00:09pairs. It's the switching like here's the use cases like I have one major

1:00:17So, like, what I was doing this morning is the perfect case.

1:00:20So I'm watching a movie that's a storyboard.

1:00:23So this is, like, the main thing that I want to look at.

1:00:26And then on the side, I want to be able to switch between three different things.

1:00:31Like, I want to have notes that I'm taking in Bear,

1:00:34I need to be able to talk to the animator in Slack,

1:00:38and there's a couple of other things where I need to bring up good notes

1:00:41to be able to make a quick sketch to make something that's clear,

1:00:44and then Dropbox to send a link back to the animator who I'm talking in Slack,

1:00:49but I never want to close the movie that I'm watching, which is the thing that is being commented on.

1:00:54That workflow, which is still very easy to do on a computer, is frustrating because of the

1:01:01the time it takes to switch the app on the side, and it's also frustrating because of the

1:01:08inconsistent steps of

1:01:11How do I summon these apps? Like where is this app that I'm trying to summon? Like let me get it from Spotlight.

1:01:16When I get it from Spotlight, I have to drag it over into just the right spot.

1:01:20I have to wait for the little animation to show me that it's going to go there. Like rapid switching between a few things is

1:01:27noticeably slower than rapid switching between a few things was under the old system. And I want to be really clear.

1:01:33I'm not asking for that old system. That was crazy.

1:01:37In iOS 10 you could use the command tab action to switch out just what was in the left pane.

1:01:43I understand that, I do miss that, but I don't want it back.

1:01:48There's other weird consistency problems that I sort of thought were bugs at first in iOS,

1:01:54but I think are not bugs, which is when you do the command tab switcher, what apps show up in that

1:02:01list? It doesn't show everything, and I don't understand what it's supposed to be showing.

1:02:05That is something that I think is wrong.

1:02:07However, Apple are deciding to make that list is is wrong

1:02:11because it should show everything and it should show pairs.

1:02:16But it doesn't.

1:02:17And it should show things that I've just touched.

1:02:21So it feels like this.

1:02:23The thing that it seems to miss the most is I've summoned an app from Spotlight

1:02:27and dragged it into an overview setting or like a not main view.

1:02:32And like then it doesn't show up in the command switch.

1:02:35It's like, I want that thing-- I was just there.

1:02:37That also adds to this frustration of trying to switch between multiple apps.

1:02:42Like, it's--

1:02:43So, I guess this is one of the things that also just doesn't help with, like,

1:02:48what is my dock setup going to be and how am I going to set up these iPads is

1:02:52the use case where I want to have the most number of things,

1:02:57I feel like I really need to cram the dock full of stuff.

1:03:02And this is where you can see on my everything iPad screenshot.

1:03:07Like, I have the Infinity folder, I have the Launcher folder,

1:03:10but I'm also trying to make a little communications folder,

1:03:13which is like, here are the little apps where I'm talking to people,

1:03:17and I find myself switching in and out of very frequently,

1:03:20and trying to put them in a folder on the dock

1:03:23so I can get access to them more quickly

1:03:25for dropping into the workspace that I'm using.

1:03:29like I'm trying to get around this, but I don't have a great solution that feels like,

1:03:36"Wow, I'm really flying through my work on this iPad." It still feels really clunky for me to do that.

1:03:42So I can see in the specific use case that you've posted in that you want to use three apps plus for

1:03:50video, right? And I'm assuming picture-in-picture isn't working for you here for whatever reason

1:03:56that might be. It's not really worth getting into.

1:03:58Yeah, the details don't matter.

1:04:00But picture in pictures is either the view isn't large enough or the app that you use

1:04:03doesn't support it, whatever. I can see for that where it's frustrating, right? But because you're

1:04:09watching a video, I think for basically any other workflow issue, you can just deal with switching

1:04:14into a different app for a moment, right? Like if you need four apps, well, just using three of them

1:04:19because you can use three if you slide over and then you just command tab out to the other app,

1:04:24enter whatever you need to go in there and go back. The specific use case that you're posing

1:04:28is tricky because you want to be watching the video at all times. But you know, just I would

1:04:33just say like it's frustrating but just pause the video right like that that's that's the workflow

1:04:37you will end up getting yourself into I reckon just like well I'll pause for a moment and do

1:04:41what I need to do and go back. I get that there have been some workflows that I have had to change

1:04:48as well but I take this small frustration because the system as a whole is vastly superior to what

1:04:58has come before it and I really think that a lot of people are getting more frustrated about this

1:05:04just because of how close it is to the Mac now which I actually think is a testament to how good

1:05:10iOS 11 is that people are getting more frustrated about how it's different to the Mac because it is

1:05:17so good and it's so powerful it's almost like an uncanny valley thing where people are less

1:05:23comparing it to what ios 10 was and comparing it to what they think it should be because of how

1:05:29the mac works so yeah like i i will agree with that 100 because there was no doubt in my mind

1:05:36that it's a bit of a frustration for me because like on i don't know about you but on the mac i'm

1:05:42a very heavy spaces user.

1:05:44Yeah, I am.

1:05:45I really like the ability to use lots of spaces.

1:05:48I think most heavy iOS users use the Mac that way.

1:05:51Hmm, maybe.

1:05:53And so yes, it does invite that comparison of, on the Mac it's much easier to be fussy

1:05:59about my spaces and which apps go in what spaces, and then it feels like I'm switching

1:06:04between a whole bunch of different virtual desktops that have been left just the way

1:06:10I want them to be.

1:06:11And so like I will completely agree with you on that.

1:06:14That is, it is impressive in a way

1:06:16that the comparison is now,

1:06:18oh why can't I do this as lightning fast

1:06:21as I can do it on a full desktop computer?

1:06:23You and I have always acknowledged

1:06:24that there are many things on the iPad

1:06:26that we have always known it is slower to do,

1:06:30but it doesn't change the fact

1:06:31that we like working on an iPad way better.

1:06:34Like and that has always been a trade off

1:06:37that we're willing to make.

1:06:38- Yeah, like I know that dragging from the dock

1:06:41is slower than however any other system would use it, even the previous system.

1:06:45But I don't care because I enjoy it more.

1:06:47I like the multitasking because I'm multitasking with my hands.

1:06:52Like, I like it. I like the feeling of it.

1:06:54But I understand. I understand the concerns.

1:06:57But like, I think this is the best we could have got

1:07:00because any more than this would have been way too complicated.

1:07:04Like a jump bigger than the jump that Apple have made here

1:07:08would have been too much, especially when at this stage that we're at right now,

1:07:13and we'll still be at for a few weeks as app updates come out, we haven't even

1:07:16realized the full potential of what this system is because

1:07:20we don't really have the opportunity to use drag and drop very heavily

1:07:24because the app support isn't there yet because they're not out yet.

1:07:28So I think that like there are still things that we've yet to fully

1:07:33appreciate for what this system is doing.

1:07:37So I think any more than what Apple has added in 11 would have been way too complicated.

1:07:43Like the idea of having persistent pairs and having apps that can be open with other pairs

1:07:49in multiple instances inside of the multitasking pane, I think that kind of thing might come in the

1:07:55future. But if they would have put that in now, it would have been like a nightmare scenario to

1:08:00try and understand what was going on. I will completely agree with that. My frustration is

1:08:05is simply the thing that I was trying to remedy

1:08:07with the keyboard shortcut is,

1:08:10like I'm very used to just switching stuff fast

1:08:13with the keyboard.

1:08:14And my main frustration is, it's like,

1:08:16I will happily learn complicated keyboard commands

1:08:19if it lets me move between a bunch of,

1:08:21but like there's just no way to do that

1:08:23under the current system.

1:08:24It's like-- - Like command shift alt tab

1:08:27could change the left app or whatever.

1:08:30- I think I had some great suggestions for app shortcuts,

1:08:32but whatever.

1:08:33[laughs]

1:08:35It's-- I think that that's one of the things that also just-- it feels like it slows it-- slows it down.

1:08:40But again, I keep thinking of the--

1:08:43Like I mentioned last time, like for-- for my aunt who uses an iPad Pro is her main computer.

1:08:49This is a hell of an upgrade and she is not a very technical user,

1:08:54but I think the system is

1:08:56brilliantly designed because I know it will take her no time at all to figure out what to do.

1:09:00You just move it with your hands like it's a physical object or ignore it completely, right?

1:09:05You can ignore it completely if you don't notice it and it's fine. Yeah, or yeah, it doesn't even matter

1:09:10That's why like it's it is a great solution to a very difficult thing

1:09:15I just I just wish for pro users. There was like a faster way to do more precise stuff

1:09:20You've got some beautiful wallpapers on your iOS devices here, Myke

1:09:24Thank you two of them are

1:09:28creations of in 5k of old Apple Mac desktops, which I'll put a link in the show notes

1:09:35Stephen Hackett and our amazing designer Frank put those together together

1:09:40the one on my iPhone is actually a

1:09:43Relay FM members exclusive wallpaper. So if you're a relay of a member you get loads of cool wallpapers

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1:09:57which is the video game show that I do, you have that same black one on your phone that

1:10:02you've had forever, the fractal one, although it's better than whatever that out of time

1:10:07home screen was, that weird dusty thing. And I'm assuming, I didn't, I hate, not good.

1:10:16I assume that the other two are both Apple's ones, right? I think that that's beach one

1:10:22is too? No the beach one's not Apple's one. The paint splash is an Apple one. I feel like in

1:10:31beta season I'm more daring with what wallpapers I might use on different devices.

1:10:36You're wild right now. Yeah so this is Gray Gone Wild with his wallpaper backgrounds. I think

1:10:43after beta season is over we might calm down a little bit and go to something more

1:10:51button-down and business-like.

1:10:53But where is the beach one from?

1:10:55I don't know actually where that beach one is from.

1:10:59I can't remember where I got that originally.

1:11:00Let's hope nobody wants it because if you don't know where it's from, I can't give people

1:11:04the links.

1:11:05This is why we're mentioning the wallpapers because people always want them.

1:11:09This is what reverse image search is for.

1:11:11Yep, that's how people found the original one that you couldn't find.

1:11:15Oh actually I should make a plug

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1:11:35and so it's similar to the old one that I used to have

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1:13:31Oh, Myke. I'm exhausted.

1:13:35Oh, I'm sorry.

1:13:37I really am, because I feel like when we talk about these--

1:13:40I have to mentally go through all of my thoughts for the past many weeks about decisions.

1:13:46We've barely touched this in the depth that I feel is adequate.

1:13:51But I cannot go on any further.

1:13:54We had topics planned for the show, which have all been destroyed by home screen discussion.

1:14:00which always eats everything.

1:14:03- Everything.

1:14:05- And so, what I really wanna know about right now,

1:14:10as we're ending this show,

1:14:11is tell me more about your laundry.

1:14:14(laughing)

1:14:16- I have a lot to say, believe it or not,

1:14:18about my laundry, 'cause I'm back home now,

1:14:20and it was halfway through my trip,

1:14:22so I needed to do more laundry before I got home.

1:14:26- The continuing adventure of Myke's laundry.

1:14:28- Yeah, I did laundry two more times, in fact.

1:14:32- Okay, so when we last checked in with your laundry,

1:14:38you had asked for advice for people

1:14:40about what you were gonna do.

1:14:42- Yep.

1:14:43- So what happened?

1:14:43What happened in America with your laundry?

1:14:46- So, remember last time,

1:14:49I had done expensive hotel laundry

1:14:52and I had done one load of laundry at my co-founder's house

1:14:54using a machine I didn't understand.

1:14:57And that me and you were talking about the idea

1:15:00and how great it will be to use one of those apps,

1:15:03you know, like the laundry app,

1:15:04so they can pick up the laundry for you.

1:15:06I have some bad news, Gray.

1:15:08All of the apps that I tried

1:15:10required a US telephone number for signup.

1:15:13- Okay.

1:15:15- And I couldn't trick them.

1:15:16- What do you mean by trick them?

1:15:18- Like entering a random number

1:15:20or entering a number that was my number

1:15:22but in some weird US format,

1:15:24because they all want to send you a text message

1:15:27to confirm the phone number to confirm sign up.

1:15:30- Yeah, this is what Skype phone numbers are for.

1:15:32No, I didn't think of that, did you?

1:15:36- No, and you know what's really annoying?

1:15:37Is I actually set up a Skype telephone number two days ago

1:15:41because I needed it for a conference call

1:15:43and I didn't put two and two together.

1:15:47Can Skype numbers receive text messages?

1:15:50- I am fairly sure they can.

1:15:52- Okay.

1:15:53- And if they can't, I know a lot of these services

1:15:56do a fallback where they call and give you the pin.

1:15:59- Mm, yeah, see that would have been it.

1:16:01- I know for a fact I have verified stuff

1:16:04that demands a US phone number

1:16:06with my Skype US phone number.

1:16:09I know I have done this. - Yeah, okay.

1:16:11- You're making me slightly doubt myself

1:16:13about the text message,

1:16:14but I know I have used it to verify something.

1:16:15- Can you use the call fallback?

1:16:17So this is a CGP Grey brand life hack

1:16:20for everybody out there on the world.

1:16:22This is good, 'cause they're not cheap,

1:16:25those Skype numbers, but I do have one now because every now and then someone needs to

1:16:29call me. I need to talk to someone on the phone and it's just like, oh, can we use Skype?

1:16:35And it's just like a whole big deal. But now I have a phone number that people can call

1:16:39and with I think it was with iOS 10. If I'm signed in on Skype, it just rings as if it's

1:16:44not. So yeah, that's good. I have that set up now. I didn't think of that at the time.

1:16:48So there you go. You either need that or you can't do it. So when I was in Brooklyn, which

1:16:54the way, I love Brooklyn, obviously. Love Brooklyn.

1:16:58Wow, what a surprise. What a surprise. Surprise, surprise.

1:17:02Do you like Portland too, Myke? I like Portland, I like Brooklyn. I also

1:17:06stayed in the east, like the Lower East Side, like the East Village. Love that too,

1:17:10obviously. Yeah, all good, all good stuff for Myke. Lots of Mykey things in those places.

1:17:15I took my clothes to a laundromat, like a laundromat that had a wash and fold

1:17:21service. I wasn't 100% sure what that meant, but I assumed what it meant was they would wash and

1:17:27fold my clothes. That's what it sounds like. It's what it sounds like, right? So I was like,

1:17:31I figure that this is what I'm looking for, right? But I'd never used one of these services before,

1:17:37so I just took my, I basically took my clothes in a bag into this place,

1:17:41making an assumption of what would occur, and I put it down and I said, "Can you take care of

1:17:47these?" And they said yes, and they gave me a piece of paper and that was it. And I was like,

1:17:51All right, well, we'll see what happens.

1:17:53That cost me nine dollars, that that load of clothes, and it was great.

1:17:57And I was very happy.

1:17:58And it came back basically exactly the same as the hotel stuff,

1:18:02just not with a blue ribbon.

1:18:04So, you know, you don't feel the need to bleep that number nine dollars.

1:18:08No, I'm fine with nine dollars.

1:18:10So you're going to let that go through.

1:18:11Uh huh.

1:18:12There was an unexpected side effect of the last episode for me.

1:18:16Yeah, something I didn't anticipate was the amount of direct messages

1:18:20I was going to get from friends asking me just one simple question. Can you guess what

1:18:26that question was?

1:18:27How much did you pay for your laundry?

1:18:29Yes.

1:18:31Pretty much everybody that I know.

1:18:33Everybody wanted to know.

1:18:34Everyone wanted to know. And as I assumed would happen, all the listeners wanted to

1:18:42know too.

1:18:43Yeah, that's what you get for bleeping.

1:18:45Yep. I mean, I knew it would happen. I was fine with it. But then something really interesting

1:18:50happened in the reddit thread. Someone with the username "funkyu" put together a google

1:18:58form to employ the wisdom of the crowd, which I found out was like this method of trying

1:19:06to guess something by using multiple people's guesses and you take the averages of the guesses

1:19:11and it gives you something which is expected to be correct. Now this person put together

1:19:18this survey, they weeded out some of the more wild answers, which was probably the right

1:19:25thing to do, and came up with an answer of $153.21 over 183 responses. They then closed

1:19:37it down after that point just because they felt that they had a good sense of the answer

1:19:42from that point. Now, because this number was so close to the actual number, I felt

1:19:51that it was only fair for me to confirm it. So the actual number that I paid for my laundry,

1:19:59dear listeners, was $116.

1:20:04That's pretty good for a wisdom of the crowd estimation.

1:20:07And I didn't want to share the number at the time, or cold, because I still believe if

1:20:11If I would have said $116, I would have been inundated by people saying how ridiculous

1:20:16that is to spend on laundry.

1:20:18It is ridiculous.

1:20:19It is ridiculous.

1:20:20But also all of my friends that asked me, how much did you spend?

1:20:23I said to them, my first answer for everyone was, how much did you think?

1:20:28And everyone went higher.

1:20:30So I still believe that by not giving that number, everyone thought it was worse than

1:20:34it actually ended up being.

1:20:36Because I still think $116 is an embarrassing amount to spend on laundry, especially when

1:20:40and I got the same amount done for $9.

1:20:43But I feel better about my $116

1:20:46because most people thought it was 1,000,

1:20:49which was wild to me.

1:20:50People kept thinking I spent $1,000.

1:20:52I would say keep the clothes, right?

1:20:55Like you can have 'em.

1:20:57I don't want 'em anymore.

1:20:58Take 'em.

1:20:59$1,000, no, that's ludicrous.

1:21:03I spent 116 was the amount.

1:21:05- So you feel like you've done

1:21:07successful expectation management here?

1:21:09I do actually. I feel like I managed this best for my own personal well-being. $116

1:21:20was the amount. Congratulations to everybody for getting so close with $153. So I assume

1:21:27that there was just a lot of people that have probably been through this themselves. I also

1:21:31did hear from a lot of people that have been through this themselves who had a guess of

1:21:34amount because they know how much this stuff costs. So I think this can close out the laundry

1:21:40now because I'm back at home and I'm doing my laundry at home with a machine that I understand.

1:21:46And it's effectively free because our water is paid for by our building so I don't need

1:21:52to pay the water bill. I guess it's just the electric that powers the washing. Anyway,

1:21:59I expect it's less than $9 a load.

1:22:01What do you want? You're walking us into a kilowatt hour cost conversion calculation here?

1:22:07Is that what you're going towards?

1:22:08I really don't need that. We're all good. I'm cool with what it's costing me at home,

1:22:12but there we go. So that's the laundry.

1:22:15I'm glad you're back to your front-loaded washer.

1:22:18It's just so much more easy to understand. I used another one of those top-loading washers

1:22:25with some more friends because we went for a vacation with friends,

1:22:29and I still don't understand it.

1:22:31I just don't get it.

1:22:32It doesn't make sense to me.

1:22:34There's like this big wheel

1:22:35and it has like a million options on it.

1:22:38I just, I don't get it.

1:22:39- I think we're just gonna have to put this aside

1:22:40as cultural differences, my--

1:22:42- It is, oh, 100%.

1:22:43I'm not saying it's wrong.

1:22:44I'm just saying I don't understand it.

1:22:47You know, in the same way that I would imagine

1:22:48people that are used to the top loading machines

1:22:51have to take some time to understand

1:22:52the front loading machines, 'cause they're different.

1:22:54- They're not that different.

1:22:56- I wanna just, before we finish today, Gray,

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1:23:53you if you have signed up. I just want to say thank you to everybody who signed up

1:23:57as well. We really appreciate it and I also want to specifically say a

1:24:03real thanks to you Myke and to Jason Snell for all of the work that you two

1:24:10put into that episode. I feel like this is a thing where I get to just show up

1:24:17and I have a lot of fun doing those episodes, but I always feel the need to re-emphasize.

1:24:27I am so aware that those member episodes work because Jason does such a fantastic job of being

1:24:38the computer, being the parser. That is a much more imaginative role than it may seem to the listener,

1:24:45like the things that he has to keep track of and all of the work he has to do live while we are recording

1:24:51so I really appreciate that and

1:24:53to you Myke

1:24:55for the

1:24:57I'm going to say

1:24:59insane amount of editing you do to these these member shows all of the

1:25:05special effects that you add all of the

1:25:08atmospheric sound effects which which people might not even notice when they're listening but really add to the feel of the show

1:25:15I am very grateful to the tremendous amount of work that the two of you are putting into these shows.

1:25:23And I think it's what makes them fun to do.

1:25:27And I have to say, it makes them really great to listen to.

1:25:31I have listened to both of our member episodes multiple times, just out of enjoyment.

1:25:38Like, "Oh, is this work? Am I listening for edits?"

1:25:40Like, "Ah, I'm just listening because I like it."

1:25:42Like they're great shows and there's a lot of man hours

1:25:46that have gone into them.

1:25:48So thank you for all the work that you do on that.

1:25:50- It's a pleasure, genuinely it's a pleasure

1:25:52'cause I really, really love doing them.

1:25:55(laughing)