48: Parade of Failures


00:00:00   So I have this secret project that has resulted in an enormous file,

00:00:04   a, I think about 300 gigabyte file,

00:00:06   that I want to synchronize between my laptop and my desktop,

00:00:10   but it's taking forever to upload on my house over my Wi-Fi,

00:00:13   so I was thinking I can bring my laptop to your house

00:00:16   to synchronize over your faster Wi-Fi.

00:00:18   I don't think that I've mentioned on this show, but I have, I have gigabit internet now.

00:00:23   Yeah.

00:00:24   There's a company in the UK called Hyperoptic,

00:00:27   which I discovered had cable run through my building.

00:00:31   So I now have super fast Internet.

00:00:34   So yes, by all means, Gray, you can bring your laptop over to my house

00:00:38   when you visit Mega Office this weekend and you can you can upload it.

00:00:43   I mean, you can upload it.

00:00:44   I can download a video game.

00:00:46   We can stream TV shows.

00:00:48   I've got bandwidth for days, my friend.

00:00:50   No problem here at all.

00:00:51   You know, I ran a speed test before we started the show

00:00:54   because I just like to do that now.

00:00:56   I know you do. I know you do.

00:00:57   And over Wi-Fi, I'm getting 500 up and down right now, so...

00:01:02   Whatever you need, buddy. Whatever you need.

00:01:04   I know you like to run speed tests all the time.

00:01:08   I know you like to tell everybody about your super fast internet.

00:01:11   It's...

00:01:12   You can't go an hour without telling someone in casual conversation that you have super fast internet.

00:01:17   I'm sure the barista at your local coffee place knows that you have super fast internet.

00:01:21   You just casually drop it into conversation all the time.

00:01:23   I got a new tattoo of my upload and download speed.

00:01:27   Yeah, that's what's happening.

00:01:30   That's going to be the tattoo on your other arm.

00:01:32   There were days where episodes of Cortex would cost me actual money.

00:01:38   I had to pay to increase my mobile bandwidth cap to download the logic file.

00:01:44   So now I'm able to do this in a flash.

00:01:47   I'm able to upload videos to YouTube, like multiple gigabyte videos, in like a, in like,

00:01:54   it's in the count of seconds rather than minutes, right?

00:01:58   Yeah, I know, I know. I mean look, look, Myke, when you first got your super fast Wi-Fi,

00:02:05   did I not say there was no man in the world who was more deserving of this than you? No

00:02:09   man who had struggled through sadder, slower, flakier internet for years building an internet-based

00:02:16   business who deserve this upgrade than you. Did I not say that?

00:02:20   You did say that. I did say that, right. But now I keep hearing about your great internet,

00:02:26   right? You keep mentioning it, right? You know, you're getting tattoos of it, you're bringing it

00:02:30   up all the time. It's gone too far. And now, now I'm just resentful and envious. And I don't,

00:02:35   and my goodwill is somewhat gone because it's like, oh, Myke's going to tell me about his

00:02:38   internet again. I know, I know Myke. You'll get to experience it. You'll be able to upload your

00:02:45   super secret project and step one for us sharing an office together will be

00:02:51   complete I'm gonna put a second desk inside of mega office I have another corner and we can

00:02:57   share that internet together great me and you it'll be lovely oh it's a trap

00:03:02   I just realized it's a trap I'm not gonna do it I also have a VR headset in here

00:03:06   if we both get VR headsets could we work together no wait no we could just wear

00:03:11   the VR headsets and we're like not even in the same room you could just have a

00:03:16   VR world created of your current office so it's like I'm never there but you

00:03:22   then still get the really fast internet you know you could stream an actual live

00:03:27   stream of the office into the other office because we'll have enough

00:03:30   bandwidth for it it's gonna be great you're making a lot of sense and scary

00:03:34   well so speaking of your office mm-hmm I tell you who I haven't heard about in a

00:03:39   while. Your office mate, how are they doing? He's doing good. Is he still there?

00:03:46   Still making phone calls. Have you seen him yet? I don't know what he looks like,

00:03:51   no. You still don't know what he looks like. I don't want to know what he

00:03:55   looks like. Although I did take a picture for you of his crazy whiteboard

00:04:02   because I know people don't believe me with the like writing big words like

00:04:08   growth and focus and customer service surrounded by nothing but I did happen

00:04:14   to pass the office and I did just want to show you to prove that this is really

00:04:21   really what I'm dealing with. How did you snap the picture? Like did you like hide

00:04:26   your phone under one arm and just like grab it on the move? It's like oh I'm

00:04:30   just checking my phone for a text message maybe in a slightly camera

00:04:34   holding angle. That's what I'm up to. You know, that's how that works.

00:04:38   I think this is an up high text message.

00:04:40   Yeah, yeah, sometimes up high, down low, too slow. You know, that's how you take your text

00:04:46   messages sometimes.

00:04:47   All right. Oh, look at this. Revenue growth this year. Four arrows pointing at this year.

00:04:54   That's amazing. Just in case you didn't know it was this year with the word conversion

00:04:59   in the middle. Wow.

00:05:02   But you see what I mean? It's like, it's just buzzwords, but with no...

00:05:07   Like, there's no plans, there's lots of arrows, there's pointing.

00:05:11   Why would someone deal with us? Choose us.

00:05:13   Wow.

00:05:15   This is serious stuff, man.

00:05:16   Because I think sometimes when people hear me tell the stories,

00:05:21   they think, "Oh, surely it must be an exaggeration."

00:05:23   Nobody would write "motivation" on a whiteboard and circle it three times, surrounded by nothing.

00:05:29   It's like, "But someone does. Someone does. My office neighbor does."

00:05:33   Yeah, they really do.

00:05:35   They've got like a four quadrant thing.

00:05:37   One says "potential" on one side.

00:05:40   I can't see what the other one says.

00:05:41   With arrows next to them.

00:05:43   Man, this is incredible.

00:05:45   B-A-U brilliance. Do you know what that means?

00:05:49   No, I don't know what that means.

00:05:50   Business as usual.

00:05:51   Oh, I see. Look at you. You know all the jargon.

00:05:54   Oh yeah, I'm seeing loads of things.

00:05:56   It's been a continual source of frustration.

00:05:58   I do also have a plan that I'm slowly trying to enact over this, which did include looking

00:06:04   for another office.

00:06:05   But so far it has proven unfruitful.

00:06:08   I thought this was a plan to finally get rid of him.

00:06:12   Is that what the 300 gigabyte file is?

00:06:15   I mean look, I just, you know, if my talking like a crazy person with Thunderstorms hasn't

00:06:21   convinced him to go away, like nothing was going to convince him to go away.

00:06:24   That is true.

00:06:25   I'm not going to do anything here.

00:06:26   I looked into moving within the same building and that wasn't going to work out for a couple

00:06:31   of other problems.

00:06:32   I actually did try to find another office in my extraordinarily narrow radius where

00:06:38   I would like to find an office.

00:06:39   And I thought I had found one, but of course, real estate people, you can't trust them.

00:06:44   I don't know if you had that experience, Myke, or not, but...

00:06:47   Yeah.

00:06:48   This is like, they have a reputation in their industry and it is well deserved is my small

00:06:53   experience of trying to find another office.

00:06:56   You know, I'm sure not all real estate brokers, but like vast majority of, yes.

00:07:00   Yeah, it's super fun. It's like, "Hey, I have a bunch of

00:07:05   requirements for an office. Can you tell me if this office has those requirements?"

00:07:12   It's like, "I would like this, I would like this, I would like this, and like this. Here are the four things

00:07:15   that for me are total deal breakers that I would like in an office." And they say, "Oh, we found a great place for you.

00:07:22   Why don't you come on down and take a look at it?"

00:07:25   And I'm like, "Why don't you answer my f*cking question about if the office actually has these properties?"

00:07:31   I'm like, "Ah, just take a look, you'll love it!"

00:07:33   It's like, "That's not an answer!"

00:07:34   Right? That doesn't tell me if I have a thermostat that I can control.

00:07:38   Right? You're just trying to get me in the door. It's very frustrating.

00:07:41   This office definitely has four properties. Yeah, no, it does.

00:07:44   It has four of them. Mm-hmm. 100% has four.

00:07:46   I actually came very close to signing a lease for a new office.

00:07:52   because I like it like a miracle right like manna from heaven I did find an office that met all of

00:07:57   my various picky requirements that's exactly where I want it to be it has everything I could possibly

00:08:02   want in it it was a little bit expensive like a little bit out of a little bit out of the range

00:08:08   that I actually wanted to but it was way too expensive is what it was it's a little expensive

00:08:14   but I was like you know what this is like this is totally worth it like I'm you know if if if it

00:08:19   meets all of these things, it's fine. Like, I can deal with this. And they're like, "Oh,

00:08:22   you just have to sign for a three month lease." I'm like, "Okay, that's fine." It's a reasonable

00:08:26   amount of time, right? But then as negotiations go on, they're like, "Oh, did we say three

00:08:32   months? We meant six months. And you have to put up 25% in advance." And like, six months?

00:08:39   That's a long time to commit if I don't know, if I like the office for sure. Like, it has

00:08:44   all of the properties that I want. But just like this guy who's next door to me in my

00:08:47   current place. Maybe there's some sort of deal breaker that I don't know about." And

00:08:51   signing up for six months without knowing that, like, it's a long time. So it's like,

00:08:56   six months, I hemmed and hawed about it for a little while, and I finally decided, like,

00:09:01   "Okay, six months, I'm willing to take this gamble," because again, I'm picky and it meets

00:09:05   all of my criteria.

00:09:06   What are you gonna do? Like, you have to do this when you buy a home as well, like when

00:09:10   you rent a home. You always have a contract. You never know what it's actually gonna be

00:09:13   like. Sometimes you have to just roll the dice.

00:09:15   Yeah, always. There's always some you have to roll the dice.

00:09:18   But guess what? When I showed up on the actual day to sign the actual final lease, it was,

00:09:24   "Oh, did we say a six-month lease?"

00:09:27   "We meant a year, and you have to put down 25% and it's also more expensive than we originally thought."

00:09:34   Like, I see what you're doing, right? I'm the fool here. You knew this right from the beginning.

00:09:40   You've just been slowly cranking up. Like once you get me used to six months,

00:09:44   you're trying to see if you can lock me in for a year.

00:09:46   So it's like, "Oh the hell with you. Like I'm walking out of here. I don't want anything to do with this office.

00:09:50   I'm not falling for your tricks. I'm getting out of here." So anyway, I don't have a new office.

00:09:54   What are you gonna do?

00:09:54   Growth.

00:09:55   Growth.

00:09:55   That's what you're gonna do.

00:09:56   Growth is what you're gonna hear.

00:09:57   What I've been doing is spending more time working like I used to at different places around the city,

00:10:02   which has been an interesting change of pace.

00:10:04   This is like something like, "I haven't wanted to go into my regular office.

00:10:07   I'm gonna go somewhere else just like I used to."

00:10:09   and so that's been an interesting thing to do but that's what I've been up to

00:10:13   lately with my office.

00:10:16   Are you not wasting money now on your office?

00:10:18   Look there's a plan there's still a plan in place here Myke.

00:10:20   Okay.

00:10:21   But I'll update you at some point in the future when there's when there's more

00:10:24   but there's a plan.

00:10:24   Okay.

00:10:25   Don't you worry.

00:10:25   Operation something something.

00:10:28   Yeah.

00:10:28   Well I should come up with a good project name for it.

00:10:31   Oh how have you got a project name?

00:10:32   This is the one project that deserves a name out of everything.

00:10:35   Do you know why there's no project name?

00:10:37   It's because I've had nowhere to write a project name

00:10:38   because I've been keeping my projects in my head for the time being.

00:10:41   I haven't had to write anything down.

00:10:43   Still just in your head?

00:10:44   Yeah, yeah. I'm doing fine.

00:10:45   Oh dear.

00:10:46   Don't you worry about me.

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00:12:18   So this makes me think of something.

00:12:20   You know, this person who's making these calls at all hours of the day is lining up with something

00:12:26   that's been in my mind right now, which is time shifting.

00:12:28   Mmm.

00:12:29   And I have a couple of reasons I'm thinking about this.

00:12:32   One is with the assistant stuff,

00:12:34   which we'll get might touch on a little bit later on.

00:12:36   Just thinking about being in the UK,

00:12:39   dealing with the US, obviously your office mate

00:12:42   deals with, where did you think it was?

00:12:43   Hong Kong or something?

00:12:45   - Yeah, it's China and somewhere else.

00:12:48   - Right, so that is a thing.

00:12:49   And the reason it's on my mind as well right now

00:12:52   is because of daylight savings time.

00:12:55   So there's a two week gap between the US changing and the UK changing.

00:13:00   And right now we're in the good one.

00:13:03   This is totally crazy making.

00:13:05   I find this impossible to keep track of every year.

00:13:07   Yeah.

00:13:08   It takes me a surprise every single time.

00:13:10   I don't, I don't have to deal with obviously as many sort of cross ocean

00:13:16   meetings calls as you do, but I still have family and friends in America.

00:13:21   And I can just like this, this time of year, I'm always just vaguely aware

00:13:25   is the crazy time of year because it's like, oh right, around March and then I don't know,

00:13:31   when is it like around October or something? You have to be way more careful when you're planning

00:13:36   with people because you might get caught by a surprise daylight savings change, right?

00:13:40   It's incredibly frustrating. It's incredibly frustrating.

00:13:43   Now that I work for myself, this is the good one because I get two weeks of everyone being an hour

00:13:49   closer to me. But when I was doing this as my side thing, this was the bad one because I had to get

00:13:54   at home from work quicker.

00:13:56   - Ah, of course, right, of course.

00:13:58   - Because shows that were recording at six

00:14:00   were now recording at five,

00:14:01   and then that was just nightmare time for two weeks.

00:14:04   But now it's good

00:14:04   because everything's happening earlier in the day,

00:14:07   so I get more time in the evening, right?

00:14:10   Also, we're closer, everything's just closer.

00:14:12   That one hour actually does make a big difference.

00:14:15   - Oh yeah, yeah, it really does.

00:14:16   - Now, before we kind of,

00:14:17   I wanna kind of ask you about time shifting

00:14:20   and if and when that is a thing for you.

00:14:23   But before we do, I have a tip, a life hack,

00:14:27   you may call it, for Mac and iOS users.

00:14:30   So I use an app called Fantastical.

00:14:34   And I'm sure there are other applications that do this.

00:14:36   I think Apple's calendar allows you to do this,

00:14:38   to set event times in other time zones.

00:14:42   - Oh yeah, yeah.

00:14:43   - So I do this where I'm setting my shows

00:14:47   in the time zones of my host,

00:14:49   so I don't need to change my entire calendar around

00:14:52   from Daylight Savings Time hits, it just does it on its own.

00:14:55   So that is a tip for anybody that does schedule with people

00:14:59   in other time zones in other countries.

00:15:01   When Daylight Savings Time changes, you end up like,

00:15:03   you go, do you move the meeting forward or back?

00:15:07   Like you don't have to do any of that.

00:15:08   - I can never do that math.

00:15:10   I was just looking on my computer because I use Fantastical

00:15:15   and Apple's calendar for different things.

00:15:17   I find them useful in different ways

00:15:19   for looking at my schedule in different manners.

00:15:22   But I have Apple's calendar up right now and for anybody who uses that it's hidden, but it's in preferences under advanced

00:15:30   There's an option to turn on timezone support by default that is not listed there

00:15:36   and when you turn that on it allows you to do the same thing like Fantastic Cal does of

00:15:41   set the meeting in the other person's timezone and I always do that

00:15:47   Like if you're ever coordinating with someone who's remote,

00:15:50   you never do the like, "Oh, a meeting in my time."

00:15:52   It's always like, no, no, no.

00:15:53   You know, it's, you're in New York, right?

00:15:55   We're going to have a meeting at 3 p.m. New York time.

00:15:59   Right, and I enter that into my calendar that way.

00:16:01   And then it just shows up however it is.

00:16:03   It's super helpful to do it that way.

00:16:07   Because it's just so easy to mess up, it really is.

00:16:10   And then of course, I'll always like,

00:16:11   invite the other person to that calendar event as well,

00:16:14   just to try to make sure like,

00:16:15   We're really on the same page about when is this meeting occurring.

00:16:19   You've just reminded me of something,

00:16:20   a pet peeve of mine with inviting people to events.

00:16:23   It really annoys me when somebody invites you to their event,

00:16:27   but it's named for them. So it says meeting with Myke.

00:16:32   So I see meeting with Myke in my calendar. Like that's no good.

00:16:36   You need to like use everyone's names. All right. Everyone's names,

00:16:40   if any names or no names at all.

00:16:44   I think you're complaining about this because I do this.

00:16:46   You do this, everyone does this.

00:16:47   I have meetings next week.

00:16:49   I'm meeting myself like four times next week.

00:16:51   It's gonna be really good fun.

00:16:53   I forget that you can't change the name on the other end.

00:16:59   That it's like, it's sent the way it looks.

00:17:00   It just seems to me like this should be a thing that it's synchronized between both

00:17:04   people but both people should be able to call it whatever they want.

00:17:08   And it seems like, oh obviously it should just work the way it works in my head, which

00:17:11   is like magic.

00:17:13   And so I just forget that it's an annoyance for the other person.

00:17:16   I know what you're saying, but I don't think that would work, right?

00:17:18   Like, because-

00:17:19   Oh no, don't get- no, yeah.

00:17:20   Like, that's why I mean it would have to work by magic, right?

00:17:22   Because it's like, "Computer, I want you to read my goddamn mind, right, about what do

00:17:26   I want in the title of this thing."

00:17:28   I just mean, like, you imagine there's like a meeting with eight different people and

00:17:31   everyone keeps changing the name of it, right?

00:17:33   It's just like, and nobody knows what the meeting is.

00:17:36   Yeah, there's no win situation, there's no proper way to handle this in the way that

00:17:40   I would want.

00:17:41   I totally acknowledge it, but yet every time I set a meeting, some part of my brain just

00:17:47   thinks, "Oh, this works the way you think it should.

00:17:49   Just send the invitation.

00:17:51   Everything's good."

00:17:52   So, time shifting is kind of what I refer to as when you observe somebody else's working

00:18:00   hours and kind of emplace them on your own a little bit.

00:18:04   And it's why, you know, we've spoken about sleeping patterns in the past, and one of

00:18:07   the reasons that I go to bed so late is because I can pick up some stuff in the evening, which

00:18:11   is still for people that are awake in some time zones in the US. And I just wondered

00:18:16   if like, do you do this at all? Like do you ever observe time zones in that way? I don't

00:18:23   know if you work with as many people in the US as I do.

00:18:27   I'm not sure what you mean by observe time zones. Like the primary time zone relationship

00:18:36   that I have is between myself and my assistant and

00:18:39   I am always

00:18:41   hugely aware that it is very helpful to me that she is on

00:18:46   US Central Time. The overlap between her working hours and my working hours and when I am

00:18:52   open to the world versus closed to the world, like it is just the perfect time zone ever

00:18:58   relationally to me. And so if I ever had to get another assistant

00:19:03   It would be like, "Tell me where you are in timezone world."

00:19:05   Like this is hugely important.

00:19:08   - Why do you find Central to be better than Eastern?

00:19:11   - Well, it's a combination of when she gets up

00:19:15   because she happens to get up very early, right?

00:19:17   So if she was keeping normal working hours,

00:19:20   Eastern timezone would probably be better,

00:19:22   but her schedule has kind of shifted very early in the day.

00:19:26   And it is also a side effect of,

00:19:28   I think I mentioned this before,

00:19:31   but I really do try to quarantine my mornings like I don't want the external world involved in my mornings at all.

00:19:36   So it's like by the time I

00:19:39   shift to being open to the world, this is around the time that she is starting her day, right?

00:19:46   And so she has like the whole day ahead of her to do stuff

00:19:50   whereas I wouldn't

00:19:52   want or need someone available to me in the mornings because I would never be sending requests or

00:19:59   receiving information from someone during those times. Like that's when I tried to be walled off from everything.

00:20:03   So this is where I had a revelation in the last two weeks.

00:20:06   Mm-hmm. I thought I was this way, right?

00:20:09   That I like my quiet time in the morning and I do like it

00:20:13   but I do also want someone that I'm working with to be available to me and

00:20:19   the difference in our business, right? Like you're walling yourself off for

00:20:23   creative work completely and I'm doing some of that but I'm also

00:20:28   Dealing with paperwork and sponsor copy and stuff in that time in the morning

00:20:33   And I was always thinking to myself that like Oh us Eastern time. That's what I want

00:20:38   I want someone to be awake just in us Eastern time, but then I realized that us Eastern working time. I'm usually recording shows

00:20:44   Mm-hmm, so I can't work with my assistant

00:20:47   It actually became important to me to realize that oh, maybe I need somebody who can overlap for both

00:20:52   So I have somebody who's available during my morning my quiet morning before America wakes up

00:20:58   up, but then also up until like lunchtime in the US in Eastern time.

00:21:05   I am terrible at doing any kind of time zone math, right?

00:21:10   This is why I have to do it all on the calendar and always trust the calendar

00:21:12   to do something like, does that time zone exist?

00:21:14   When would that even be?

00:21:15   I have no idea.

00:21:16   Like, have you worked this out on a piece of paper or are you asking for two

00:21:20   six hour slots that are six hours apart?

00:21:23   Not really.

00:21:23   Is that what you're asking for?

00:21:24   Not really.

00:21:25   Like standard UK working time will do this.

00:21:28   Because, like, yeah.

00:21:30   - Well, that's a really good solution, actually.

00:21:32   - So GMT has ended up, funnily enough,

00:21:36   being the best time zone,

00:21:37   because I get availability in the morning if I need it,

00:21:41   when it's just me, and then kind of six,

00:21:44   that six o'clock is basically lunchtime in the US.

00:21:47   And I feel like if somebody has asked you something

00:21:50   past lunch, tomorrow is fine, in most instances, right?

00:21:54   Tomorrow is fine, it's lunchtime, of course.

00:21:56   We're on the other side of this thing.

00:21:58   So yeah, I didn't really think of that going forward,

00:22:02   like as an option when I started the whole

00:22:05   thinking about an assistant process.

00:22:07   But I started instead of,

00:22:09   'cause what I was doing before is I was paying attention

00:22:11   to how much time it took for me to do things,

00:22:14   not necessarily when I'm doing them.

00:22:17   When I pay a bit more attention to that, it helped.

00:22:19   And for me personally, I'm still gonna continue doing things

00:22:22   the way that I do things,

00:22:23   where like there's more work happening at midnight.

00:22:26   but I would never ask anyone to do that for me

00:22:29   because that is a silly way to work,

00:22:32   but it's the way that I work.

00:22:34   - That would seem unreasonable to ask someone

00:22:36   to be available during UK working hours.

00:22:38   - Unreasonable is not even a strong enough word for it.

00:22:40   - Also through until midnight.

00:22:42   - Can you be awake 24/7, is that all right?

00:22:44   Yeah, we can do this, right?

00:22:45   We're good together.

00:22:46   - I don't know, Myke,

00:22:47   maybe it sounds like you need two assistants.

00:22:49   One assistant is none assistant.

00:22:50   - How many assistants do you have?

00:22:53   I have none assistance by that logic.

00:22:55   (laughing)

00:22:58   Is there an update on the assistant?

00:23:01   I'm curious.

00:23:02   - There is.

00:23:03   - What's going on?

00:23:04   - We have hired someone.

00:23:05   - Oh wow, it's all done, lock, stock and barrel.

00:23:08   - All done, all taken care of.

00:23:11   - Wow, getting business done, Myke.

00:23:13   That's what you're up to.

00:23:14   - Not yet, about to get training done.

00:23:16   (laughing)

00:23:18   - Okay, so first tell me though,

00:23:19   how did the interviewing process go?

00:23:21   Is there anything that you can say about that?

00:23:22   It was better than I thought it was gonna be.

00:23:26   We booked in the majority of interviews

00:23:28   to occur over two days,

00:23:31   and I thought that was gonna kill me,

00:23:33   but it was absolutely fine,

00:23:35   because we booked them in one hour blocks,

00:23:37   and they were like half an hour each,

00:23:38   so it was 30 minutes on and off.

00:23:40   So I got 30 minutes of interviewing time,

00:23:43   30 minutes of playing Zelda.

00:23:44   And then just replicate that over two days.

00:23:48   And yeah, it was illuminating.

00:23:51   As I said, I came to my realization about

00:23:56   when my working hours should be during this process,

00:24:00   because it was more in my mind than usual,

00:24:02   of thinking about all of these people

00:24:04   and the times that they would be available,

00:24:06   and I was like, oh, I need to do this thing right now.

00:24:09   That person's not gonna be awake.

00:24:11   That was kind of a big thing that was playing on my mind

00:24:16   a lot as we were going through.

00:24:17   I realized that I wish I had all the money in the world,

00:24:21   because there were like three people

00:24:25   that I would have hired, you know?

00:24:26   So it was very interesting, but a rewarding experience.

00:24:32   And I think that we've ended up in a pretty good place.

00:24:36   And yeah, it's been very interesting

00:24:40   and it's made me feel like a grownup,

00:24:42   which is very strange.

00:24:44   - Yeah, I think when you get to the point

00:24:45   where you're hiring people, you're a proper grownup.

00:24:47   There's no getting around that.

00:24:49   - 'Cause we're setting up accounts now, right?

00:24:51   like email addresses and authentication

00:24:54   for such and such system.

00:24:55   And yeah, I am very excited though

00:24:58   to see where it's gonna go,

00:24:59   especially because I'm traveling a lot in April.

00:25:03   So I'm really pleased that we're able

00:25:04   to get the ball rolling now on this

00:25:07   so I can have some assistance in April

00:25:09   and also so we don't have to wait until May.

00:25:11   Because there's a lot of time

00:25:12   that we're gonna need to spend together

00:25:14   looking at stuff together, right?

00:25:16   So I can show them how this works and how that works.

00:25:19   So yeah, I am actually, I'm interested to see how it goes.

00:25:24   I'm excited to see how somebody tries to interpret my system.

00:25:30   And I wonder what it's gonna look like

00:25:35   on the other end of it, you know?

00:25:38   And I have to try and explain to someone

00:25:40   the way I do things.

00:25:41   How am I gonna feel about that stuff?

00:25:43   I don't know.

00:25:44   - You're gonna feel terrible about it,

00:25:46   is how you're gonna feel.

00:25:48   - Yeah.

00:25:48   This is, I find, is part of the whole process, is explaining how you do things to another person.

00:25:57   It's just like when we're having a conversation, talking about anything, right?

00:26:00   Whenever someone's talking out loud their own thoughts, you're thinking about it as well.

00:26:05   And especially when you have to explain it to someone else, all of the flaws become much more obvious, right?

00:26:12   or I know I definitely had the experience of constantly realizing,

00:26:16   "Wow, I'm doing this in a way that was not really the best way to do this,

00:26:21   but I've just been doing it because this is the way I've always done it

00:26:25   and I also haven't thought about this particular part of the process,

00:26:28   you know, very much at all until this moment."

00:26:31   So yeah, I think that's what you're going to find

00:26:33   is that as you go through your own thing,

00:26:35   you're going to realize ways to do it better

00:26:39   and also ways to do it differently

00:26:41   when you're working with somebody else.

00:26:43   - That was honestly, as uncomfortable and difficult

00:26:46   some of that stuff's gonna be for me,

00:26:49   this was part of my motivation

00:26:50   and even beginning this process,

00:26:52   was it's time to get some of this stuff out of my brain

00:26:57   and put it down on paper

00:27:00   and establish systems and processes

00:27:04   because we need that if the business is gonna keep growing.

00:27:08   That's what it has to be, right?

00:27:09   We're kind of meeting, we're kind of hitting that point now

00:27:12   where it's less kind of making it up as we go along

00:27:15   and we kind of have to write some of this stuff down.

00:27:19   - Yeah, and also the, like you said,

00:27:21   getting things out of your head

00:27:22   and getting them into being a process.

00:27:25   I still think for me the most shocking example

00:27:30   of a process that I was originally doing

00:27:35   that I had kept all in my head

00:27:37   was the process of making the Hello Internet podcast go live, right?

00:27:42   Which was a thing that I used to be responsible for the whole of that.

00:27:45   And when I started having my assistant help with that,

00:27:50   we were going through it. Like we did it, we did a, um,

00:27:54   the way we did it was when I was putting an episode up live,

00:27:58   we did a screen sharing chat together. So it's like, I'm going to do this.

00:28:02   You're going to watch,

00:28:05   you're going to be writing down the process as you go along.

00:28:07   And then afterwards, like we'll take a look at the checklist and like, we'll,

00:28:11   we'll, we'll build this up,

00:28:12   but I'm going to go through it once and you see,

00:28:14   and then let's figure out how to do this.

00:28:16   I think one difference between me and you though,

00:28:18   is that we won't be doing this in silence.

00:28:20   No, it wasn't in silence. We were talking to each other.

00:28:22   I thought you said you'd only ever exchanged one word.

00:28:25   No, we've, we've,

00:28:26   I think maybe spoken to each other 10 times in three years or

00:28:31   whatever. Right. And this was one of those times. Uh, we've,

00:28:34   We've never done like a FaceTime phone call,

00:28:37   but this was just a screen sharing thing.

00:28:39   And it's useful to do it in voice

00:28:40   because voice is just higher bandwidth.

00:28:41   - Well, you have to if you're gonna do this stuff.

00:28:43   It would be mind boggling to try and do that any other way.

00:28:47   That's a very good question.

00:28:48   - Which is why I wouldn't do it that way.

00:28:50   No, it would be ridiculous.

00:28:51   - Well.

00:28:52   - But, well, yeah, it would be ridiculous.

00:28:55   But I do have to say that was,

00:28:56   the most shocking thing to me was,

00:28:59   and as I've mentioned before,

00:29:01   I had a big checklist that I was using

00:29:02   for here's all the switches that need to be flipped,

00:29:04   putting it up on YouTube, putting it up on Patreon,

00:29:06   for doing all the backend on the system,

00:29:09   like filling in all the metadata,

00:29:11   like all of this, like there's just tons of stuff.

00:29:12   Like I already had a really long checklist,

00:29:15   but when we went through it and it has to be explained

00:29:18   in a way that a person who is totally unfamiliar

00:29:21   with this system can do it, I realized,

00:29:24   oh, this checklist, it ended up exploding

00:29:27   to be like five times the size,

00:29:29   because even when I thought I had written down everything,

00:29:32   You just don't realize all of the little things that you don't even think are part of the process that you're just doing automatically,

00:29:40   but that are not going to be obvious to somebody else who is unfamiliar with it.

00:29:44   And so now we have the result is a document that a competent person could follow through,

00:29:51   because it literally does have "here are all of the steps that are required,"

00:29:56   not just "here are the steps that I want to be reminded of when I'm doing it myself"

00:30:03   and like those are two totally, totally different things

00:30:07   but I'm constantly surprised about how processes expand into multi-level steps

00:30:14   when you start working with other people

00:30:16   Yeah, I'm expecting a bit more of like "why do you do it that way?"

00:30:20   and I'm like "I can't tell you why"

00:30:24   It was the way I did it the first time?

00:30:26   Yeah.

00:30:26   And it just never changed?

00:30:28   Yep, yep, yep. That's the answer to very many things.

00:30:32   Why do you do it this way? It's the way I did it the first time.

00:30:35   And then this groove got well worn over time.

00:30:38   But it is going to be a time-consuming and challenging process, I'm sure, right?

00:30:45   It will be with anybody.

00:30:47   But I'm excited to do it.

00:30:49   Because when it's done, everything gets better.

00:30:53   Mm-hmm. And I'm looking forward to that future.

00:30:57   Yeah, I have yet to meet anybody who's gone through this process who, on the other side of it,

00:31:02   doesn't make a comment like "I should have done this a year ago."

00:31:06   Just like we were talking about last time, right? Hires are always made six months too late.

00:31:10   This is the same kind of thing. By the time you're looking into getting someone to help you with anything,

00:31:15   you are probably way overdue for needing someone to help you with something.

00:31:19   But I'm really happy that you have moved so quickly on this mic and I am really interested

00:31:25   to see how this goes for you over the next few weeks.

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00:33:50   So Myke, you know I'm a subscriber to your vlog.

00:33:56   And I'm always wondering where those episodes are.

00:34:00   On the schedule.

00:34:01   Yes, on the schedule.

00:34:02   Schedules are very important to me as a listener.

00:34:06   And a viewer.

00:34:07   No, I only listen to your videos.

00:34:08   I don't watch them.

00:34:10   And I only watch the podcasts on YouTube.

00:34:13   I put the podcast on and then I put mute on.

00:34:14   That's how that works.

00:34:15   But, okay, so there's no schedule already.

00:34:19   This is a thing.

00:34:20   But then recently, your most recent video that came out, total format change.

00:34:26   Yep.

00:34:27   Total complete format change.

00:34:29   Not a vlog.

00:34:30   Not a vlog.

00:34:31   Not a vlog at all.

00:34:32   You, you sir, were not even on camera for the entire video.

00:34:37   That was a choice.

00:34:38   So I made a video about the Nintendo Switch.

00:34:41   You did?

00:34:42   Which is something that I was very excited about.

00:34:45   And I spent a couple of days when I received the console, obviously playing it and making

00:34:50   a video about it as well.

00:34:52   And a decision that I made from the beginning is that I would not be talking into the camera

00:34:57   during the video.

00:34:59   And that made it way harder because I had to shoot enough footage to fill my audio.

00:35:07   it was a constraint that I set for myself to try and flex my muscles in making a video

00:35:16   in this way. So like a video about a piece of technology. And I figured that the further

00:35:23   away I took it from being a vlog, the better, just to put myself through that exercise.

00:35:29   Like in the future, when I make videos like this, I will probably have sections where

00:35:33   I'm also talking to the camera because honestly it made it harder than it should have been to put this video together

00:35:40   but I'm still pleased about the decision that I made because it forced my hand in a bunch of ways to like be

00:35:47   really heavy handed with cutting the audio down that I'd recorded and

00:35:53   Also into working out ways to stretch out the product footage that I had

00:35:58   To try out some some different ways of recording things

00:36:02   I'm pleased about the way that that went

00:36:04   that I had this idea as a way to push myself and to try and learn some new skills and I think I learned some

00:36:11   new stuff and

00:36:13   Having completed the video. I think I've learned more about what I would want to do next time, right?

00:36:18   Which is normal

00:36:19   so there are a bunch of things that I wasn't happy with and I've since kind of got feedback from

00:36:25   Viewers and from friends who make this sort of stuff about how to make those things smoother or and better for the future

00:36:32   Mm-hmm, but what I wanted to talk about today in regards to this video

00:36:37   is

00:36:39   About when something's good enough

00:36:41   So I had a real clear vision in my mind for how this video would look

00:36:49   Mm-hmm, and it was a vision. I never could have achieved with this video

00:36:54   Right because I watch a lot of these sort of tech

00:36:58   Youtubers right like I have like MKBHD and Austin Evans

00:37:02   They're like who I consider to be the best at this stuff of everybody that I watch and in my mind. I'm like I

00:37:09   Want to make a video it looks like this right? I knew I couldn't do this, right? Mm-hmm

00:37:15   I I wasn't fooling myself

00:37:17   Right. They have a lot of experience

00:37:20   They're very good at what they do. They have all of the knowledge and the technology all built up

00:37:25   But that was in my mind. I'm going for that style

00:37:29   That's the end game if I want to make stuff that's like this now as well

00:37:33   Mm-hmm

00:37:34   I had an idea in my mind for what I wanted it to be and then I had an idea

00:37:38   For what? I felt like I could achieve

00:37:41   So it's like I was being realistic with myself and kind of setting a bar lower

00:37:46   Alright, so you're already saying I'm doing a format switch. Here's a thing that I want to aim for.

00:37:53   I'd love for it to be an 8K resolution, but we're not going to start there.

00:37:58   Nope.

00:37:59   So you're knocking it down and you're saying, alright, here's what I think I can achieve that is in this genre.

00:38:08   That's the actual starting point that you're going for.

00:38:11   for.

00:38:12   Yeah, like this is the bar of quality that I think I could maybe get, right?

00:38:17   Now I think that I probably only got about 60 or 70 percent to that point.

00:38:25   To the revised starting point.

00:38:26   To the revised goal, right?

00:38:30   And it's because it's really difficult to do this sort of stuff.

00:38:34   It's really difficult for me to try and achieve some shots without the right equipment.

00:38:42   Because a lot of the stuff where you see like, you know, like the camera moving around the

00:38:46   device, like I have some little bits that I'd purchased, but they weren't the optimum

00:38:51   solution so they would provide not as good a look, right?

00:38:56   And also the camera that I'm using is like a point and shoot camera, right?

00:39:00   Like it's not a red.

00:39:01   Yeah, exactly.

00:39:02   You know, so like there are things where like I wasn't aware

00:39:05   That there was some stuff that I wouldn't be able to do with the equipment that I had right just at all

00:39:11   Like I thought that maybe I could try and fake some stuff, but that didn't really work out

00:39:15   No, this is this is the thing that I think is just so interesting and is and also is the

00:39:21   put it but like like we're we we're always saying

00:39:24   People should just start like if you want to make a podcast or if you want to make YouTube videos

00:39:29   Like there's no barrier here, like just get started, right? Just try.

00:39:32   But I think this is...

00:39:34   There's this interesting flip side which is that

00:39:37   while that is easy to say,

00:39:39   most of these things that look like they are easy to produce,

00:39:44   you just don't realize how much is involved behind the scenes.

00:39:50   And I think it's because like...

00:39:53   Like if I'm watching a review of a tech product,

00:39:57   Probably because I'm in this world, but there is a part of my brain that is always

00:40:00   cycling in the back like thinking of all of the shots like look at all of these different locations that they're shooting this product in

00:40:07   Look at all of these different cuts like every single one of these had to be a cut that was or shot that was set

00:40:12   up and for everything that was set up they probably discarded a whole bunch of other stuff and

00:40:16   then there's also the thing that falls into the world of the things you don't realize and

00:40:23   This is like what you're saying like, oh someone has a smooth moving around the product shot and you think how hard can that be?

00:40:29   And the answer is without the right equipment that shot is impossible

00:40:34   like you can't you can't fake it and it will just it will

00:40:37   look all wrong on camera because you don't have the machine that's able to twirl the camera around a

00:40:44   Fixed point in a smooth motion and it turns out like there's no faking that you can't possibly get around it

00:40:49   But like to go back to that original the original point that we made a long time ago that you can make this stuff without the

00:40:56   Technology that's still true, but just don't try and do what I tried to do

00:41:00   Yeah, right don't say I'm not gonna be on camera because it I would have been able to make this video

00:41:05   I think all in all look better like the overall look at the video would have been better if I would have taken out some

00:41:12   Of the stuff that didn't work like it got to a certain point where it's like this is as much as I can give

00:41:17   Right. Yeah, and yeah, and what you were saying I think is also very important is to

00:41:22   understand and

00:41:25   work with the limitations that you have. Like if you're doing a vlog

00:41:31   you shouldn't be aiming for like the thing that I produce is going to look like a Casey Neistat video, right, with

00:41:39   super professional drone footage and

00:41:42   fancy time lapses and all the rest of that, but there's still a whole universe of

00:41:47   of vlog stuff that can be done that can be interesting within different constraints.

00:41:52   And it's just to be aware of what equipment do I have and what is something that can be done within this universe of equipment.

00:42:00   That's a very different thing.

00:42:02   And it's easy to not be aware of how hard it is to get some super professional looking stuff.

00:42:09   Like, I think we've discussed this before, but I'm always amazed by people just not

00:42:13   noticing how much work can go into producing something that's super high quality.

00:42:19   But that doesn't mean that if you can't hit that mark, you shouldn't try,

00:42:25   but just be aware of the limitations of the equipment that you have,

00:42:28   and that maybe some things that are in your mind that you want to do,

00:42:32   you can't do yet, but you can still create something else that just looks different.

00:42:39   So I feel like I ended up getting like 60% of the way there right like that's kind of where I think I got to

00:42:44   and

00:42:46   I

00:42:47   Then started reshoot in some stuff. Mm-hmm perfecting some stuff spending more time on things

00:42:53   Reading about things. I didn't know how to do in final cut so I could try and make this thing look good

00:43:00   Right, and then I would be like, oh but now that shots out of focus because little did I know that turning off

00:43:07   autofocus is good when you're trying to shoot technology. And then it's like, how do you

00:43:11   stop getting screen reflections so you don't see the camera in the screen of the technology

00:43:17   device?

00:43:18   Surprising hard, yeah.

00:43:21   So going back and trying to fix this and trying to fix that. And I got to the point where

00:43:26   I'm like, this product came out X amount of days ago. There were already reviews about

00:43:31   this all over the internet. I'm not trying to make something that's going to get me millions

00:43:36   of views but I don't want to put something out in a month. There has to be a cut off point here

00:43:42   and over the weekend, the weekend has passed, the product came out on Friday, the weekend was gone

00:43:48   and then by Tuesday I'm like I've got to put this thing out because it's going to get to the point

00:43:54   where it's just going to be old and boring because the audio I recorded was after my first day or two

00:44:00   with the device. So all of my thoughts are just like first impression thoughts which is all they

00:44:05   they were ever going to be. That was the plan for the video.

00:44:07   But I can't put that out a week late.

00:44:10   Exactly. You can't do a first impression too long after the device comes out.

00:44:14   You want to hit this for it is relevant for your audience.

00:44:18   Because I mean, yeah, I could have if I wanted to, but the plan was always to

00:44:22   review this thing over a month and then make a video that is like a month in with

00:44:27   the switch. Then that's one thing.

00:44:29   But that wasn't the video that I was making.

00:44:31   It was a here is my initial review of this product after a couple of days of it.

00:44:35   So I had to put it out.

00:44:36   But I didn't think it was good enough.

00:44:39   It wasn't what I wanted it to be.

00:44:42   And that was really difficult for me because I had this idea in my mind, I

00:44:48   didn't feel like I'd made it.

00:44:49   And I was just dreading the thought of people seeing it and seeing what I could

00:44:55   see. All of the faults, because I was trying something new.

00:45:01   I was trying to like break out of my

00:45:04   comfort zone with the videos that I've

00:45:06   been making because this is a type

00:45:08   of video I also want to make.

00:45:10   Like, I want to still make the vlog

00:45:12   style stuff, but I do want to make

00:45:13   these product review videos because

00:45:15   they're the two types of YouTube

00:45:17   videos that I really enjoy watching.

00:45:19   So I want to make them too.

00:45:21   Right.

00:45:22   But I was like, if I put this out and

00:45:24   everyone sees how bad it is,

00:45:26   does that mean I'm never going to do

00:45:28   this again?

00:45:29   Right. And this was this thing that

00:45:31   was just going around and around in my head.

00:45:33   And everyone I was showing it to was being nice about it,

00:45:37   but of course they're gonna be nice about it

00:45:39   because they're my friends.

00:45:40   I showed it to you and you were nice about it,

00:45:43   which made me feel better

00:45:44   because I know you'd tell me if it was bad.

00:45:46   But I--

00:45:47   (laughing)

00:45:49   - I like the way you started that sentence,

00:45:51   it was like I was showing it to you

00:45:53   and you said it was nice and that's good

00:45:55   because you're not my friend and you would be mean

00:45:57   if it was necessary.

00:45:58   Like that's the way it sounded like it was going.

00:46:00   You're just some dude that I work with.

00:46:02   Yeah.

00:46:04   This is actually the only time we ever talk to each other.

00:46:06   Even then, like, I know that you would tell me if it was bad, but you might just still be like not giving me the whole thing, right?

00:46:14   Like you're just saying that this is good, but you can still see what I can see.

00:46:19   And I was really struggling with this, like really struggling with it.

00:46:22   Like, I haven't felt this way about something in a long time because like, if I have a new podcast, like if I'm working on a new show.

00:46:30   there is an element of it that I always know in which it's good, right?

00:46:34   Because there's things that I can judge which are fine, right?

00:46:38   Like audio quality, production value, like all of that stuff,

00:46:42   I've got that stuff. Like I know how to do that,

00:46:46   and then it's the content. But this was everything. Like, is my content

00:46:50   any good? Do people care about the opinion that I have? And then also, is the

00:46:54   quality of this video even worth putting out? And I was

00:46:58   really struggling with it. But I did put it out because it was it was like a do or die

00:47:04   moment. I either put this out now or I don't do it at all. But I've been talking for like

00:47:09   a month about the fact that I'm going to make this video. So I kind of had to do it. So

00:47:14   I put it out and the video has been received very well. People have been very complimentary

00:47:21   about and lots of people said about how good it looks, which has made me feel good. There

00:47:25   There were a couple of people that totally picked out the points that were wrong and

00:47:29   many of those people gave me good feedback, right?

00:47:33   Like feedback that I'm really pleased that I got because I'm still mostly within the

00:47:38   people were nice to me on YouTube phase.

00:47:40   Right, right.

00:47:41   Mostly, which is good.

00:47:43   This video I noticed did get into the… it must have gotten into the recommended for

00:47:47   some people because like some of the comments changed.

00:47:51   there were people that were referring to me as him as opposed to you or Myke.

00:47:57   Right, yeah, like we've said that that's the big difference when you know things are getting very

00:48:01   popular. This tech reviewer dude, right, who must make these things all the time, this video that

00:48:07   I'm watching, yeah. So, you know, it was it was an enlightening experience. I still don't know why

00:48:13   I didn't get completely panned for it because I just in my mind this video just it just isn't what

00:48:20   I wanted it to be. But it got to a certain point where I was like, it just has to go

00:48:24   out there and I've learned a bunch. A lot of the stuff that I've learned, I don't think

00:48:28   I'll still be able to do most of it. You know, like, it's like, okay, I know this thing now,

00:48:33   but I still don't know how to do it. Like, I know how to fix it, but I can't fix it.

00:48:36   Right? Does that make sense? Right? Like, there's a thing that I know will make this

00:48:40   thing better. Someone has told me, I understand what they're saying, but I don't know how

00:48:44   to do it still.

00:48:45   There's several things here, right? It sounds like that part that you're talking about is

00:48:49   is just a pure technical skill.

00:48:52   Alright, like, I think the video is really good.

00:48:55   And I think it is very impressive, especially considering that it is the first kind of video that you have ever done like this.

00:49:01   Right?

00:49:02   There are some shots where I can look at it and say like, "Oh, that shot is overexposed."

00:49:07   But this is the kind of stuff that like, nobody cares.

00:49:10   Right?

00:49:10   It's...

00:49:12   Nobody watching those videos notices or really cares about those things.

00:49:16   But you as the person making it are aware of two things.

00:49:20   You're hyper-aware of any of the little problems,

00:49:24   like an overexposed shot or something out of focus,

00:49:27   in a way that nobody who's watching the thing will ever notice in a thousand years.

00:49:30   And just like you're saying this whole time,

00:49:33   you're also extra sensitive because in your mind you have the idea of what the thing was supposed to be,

00:49:39   and then there's the actual thing that you have created.

00:49:42   Right? And...

00:49:43   I mean, I don't know about you, but I feel like I have never put

00:49:47   anything on the internet that I felt like, yeah, that was that's what I was going for. Right?

00:49:53   Nailed it!

00:49:54   Yeah, right?

00:49:56   It's like even when I reference this, like the video that for me was the easiest and the closest ever was my Netherlands video, like

00:50:02   that is the the closest I've ever come to like having an idea and executing it.

00:50:06   But even that's not not perfect. Like there's mistakes in that thing.

00:50:11   There's shots that I don't like and this is also why I very rarely

00:50:15   very rarely watch stuff after I put it up, right? Or

00:50:20   listen to podcasts after the editing phase because

00:50:24   all I'm aware of is like, "Oh, that conversation didn't go the way it was supposed to in my head."

00:50:30   "I didn't hit any of the points that I wanted to hit." Or you watch a video and you feel like, "Oh, look at this."

00:50:35   "Look at this parade of failures, right? That I had all these things I wanted to do."

00:50:39   And I was only able to do 60% of them. I think that's just naturally part of

00:50:44   It's naturally just part of the creation process

00:50:46   So you still feel that way with your YouTube videos then that was what I wondered like I wondered if if this gets you

00:50:53   - oh, yeah. Oh, yeah without a doubt like it definitely does I feel that way with podcasts

00:50:59   I feel that way with videos, you know like

00:51:01   The rules for rulers video, you know

00:51:04   My last real video that I put out like, you know

00:51:06   I haven't watched that since it went up because I remember even the last couple times when I'm watching it

00:51:11   after it goes live just to make sure everything's fine, you know, looking at it like

00:51:14   Oh, look, look at all of these missed opportunities, right? All over the place. Things

00:51:19   I didn't do, ideas that I wanted to, points that I don't feel like I explained very well. Yeah, of course

00:51:24   I really feel like this is just naturally

00:51:26   Naturally part of the part of the process

00:51:30   This is funny like because usually I think one of the things that we try to do on this show is to talk about something

00:51:36   And then offer some advice right like this is how you can maybe try and make this thing better

00:51:41   But like this is one of those times where I don't think there is any

00:51:44   Right, like there is no advice really like it's just this is I feel like this is just a thing

00:51:49   That people that make stuff no matter what it is

00:51:53   They go through

00:51:55   And that's just kind of it really like we go through it

00:51:59   Yeah, there's no I don't think there's a way to fix it. No it gets easier with time right because you know over time

00:52:07   I will get to 65% of the way because I will get better so there will be things that I'll do which will become easier

00:52:13   I feel like you're very optimistic about the progress of that logarithmic curve. I mean that's gonna be a very long time

00:52:18   Right, but like I'll get the sixty and a half percent. Yeah, that's nice

00:52:23   Yeah

00:52:23   That's kind of what happens because the problem is as your skills increase your vision increases faster, right?

00:52:29   So it's like oh actually I think I could do even more

00:52:31   So maybe it even goes down. I go I've achieved 50% of what I wanted to right like

00:52:36   I think one of the things that has made it easy with me over time with podcast editing

00:52:40   Mm-hmm. I've gotten better at hiding things

00:52:43   Mm-hmm. So like as I've learned how to do stuff more I've worked out some little tricks

00:52:49   You know a way to hide something or a way to move around something or a way to like take attention away from like what?

00:52:56   Is actually occurring right as a way to?

00:52:58   Cover up the thing that was wrong that you can't fix

00:53:02   Right. Mm-hmm

00:53:03   And I think that once you get to that stage you become more comfortable or at least I feel like that

00:53:09   But you know every and so like I think that with most of the stuff that I do which is like business as usual

00:53:15   I'm okay with putting it out there, right? But it's when I do something completely new like this switch video

00:53:22   It's it's trickier

00:53:24   Like I don't feel this way so much with all of the vlog episodes that I do

00:53:28   Like I feel like I maybe feel like about it with like certain segments, you know

00:53:34   Well, I'm like this was a new thing that I tried and it didn't go as well as I wanted

00:53:38   But like I felt that way when I was first doing it as you know

00:53:41   like I spoke about it on the show just like my dread at letting the world see these things

00:53:45   that I've made. But I kind of gotten to the point where I was comfortable enough to turn

00:53:50   the camera on and felt like I could kind of achieve something that I was looking for,

00:53:53   which was another reason why I decided to make this video such a drastic departure,

00:53:59   knowing that there would be a certain element of doubt that I will put on myself. But I

00:54:03   feel like that, yeah, it's part of the creation process. And it gets easier in certain ways.

00:54:09   like very rightly as you said, it also then gets hard again in new ways.

00:54:12   And you also have the problem like with this particular project that

00:54:18   all of this is,

00:54:20   all of these feelings are heightened because it is something new.

00:54:24   And so you have a much greater level of uncertainty about how is it going to be

00:54:28   received, right? That it's like, you know, you, you made whatever it is,

00:54:33   six episodes of a vlog before this thing went out.

00:54:36   And so you had some some sense by episode six of how are people probably going to receive a vlog episode, but then

00:54:43   changing it up

00:54:44   You never know

00:54:45   how people are going to take that and that's that's kind of why I was giving you like a little bit of a pretend hard time

00:54:50   in the opening like oh my god, you did something different in your vlog because I

00:54:54   Feel very strongly about this that there is this real

00:54:59   Tension between the audience and the creator when it comes to new things

00:55:05   Mm-hmm.

00:55:06   That I think it is vitally important for the creators to do and try new things.

00:55:15   Like this is one of the reasons why I'm very, very intent on not having a particular topic for my YouTube channel.

00:55:24   Because it's like, I'm gonna be doing videos on things that interest me, and this isn't...

00:55:29   There isn't an expectation of what is the topic always going to be.

00:55:34   or looking through the back catalogue, like some of my videos are very different from other ones

00:55:38   and I think that's a very...

00:55:40   that's an intentional thing, like I think it is important for creators to do things differently

00:55:48   but if you generate any kind of audience

00:55:53   you have that audience because people like the thing that you do

00:55:57   and so they want more of the same thing always

00:56:01   and for you as a creator that might not be what you want to do.

00:56:06   And I think of course like the most high level public version of this that's happening right now is like PewDiePie.

00:56:14   Like his content has really changed over the past years and it is very obvious that there is like a conflict between people who like the old stuff

00:56:25   and his desire as a creator to make new things that are different.

00:56:31   And everybody goes through this in one form or another, but I think it's...

00:56:36   it really is important to try and do different things as a creator.

00:56:43   But it always puts you on edge because you know, like,

00:56:46   "This might go really poorly with my pre-existing audience!"

00:56:49   But it's like, gotta plow ahead anyway.

00:56:51   And you can see this just...

00:56:53   this pattern of creators doing things that are different from what their audience wants.

00:56:58   Like, you see this repeat over and over again.

00:57:01   Even in the music industry, it's the same thing.

00:57:02   Like, a band will do a thing and they get a huge audience,

00:57:06   and you see, like, that band in their next album wants to do something

00:57:10   that's very different from what they did previously, and their audience might not like it.

00:57:14   It's not what I signed up for.

00:57:15   Yeah, exactly.

00:57:16   Like, you did a thing that I liked.

00:57:18   Do that forever.

00:57:20   Do that until the end of time.

00:57:22   But that's just not how it works if you're in any kind of creative field.

00:57:26   Will Barron Yeah, I was definitely thinking about this.

00:57:30   And the conclusion that I came to is that I was early enough along in the process

00:57:34   that it wouldn't be terrible. And it was also one of the reasons that, for people that are watching

00:57:41   every video, I tried to make it very clear that I was going to do this. So it gave people an

00:57:51   an expectation of it.

00:57:52   And I'm gonna definitely do some of your original stuff.

00:57:58   My next video will probably,

00:58:00   well, my next video will be a more travel-focused vlog again

00:58:04   because I'm traveling a bunch in April.

00:58:07   But my next one after that will probably be,

00:58:11   or if things go the way that I want,

00:58:14   a review of the new iPad.

00:58:16   - We'll keep our fingers crossed.

00:58:17   - Yeah, I know, right?

00:58:19   - Oh, God.

00:58:20   Please, come on.

00:58:21   Unhappy times for everyone in the Apple

00:58:25   world, no matter what you like.

00:58:26   Fingers crossed for iPad, maybe,

00:58:29   ever?

00:58:30   Anything.

00:58:33   And now I'm hoping that like as time

00:58:34   goes on, then that's what people

00:58:35   expect, right?

00:58:36   That they expect a mix of these

00:58:38   things.

00:58:39   But right now, I still feel like

00:58:41   there is an element of me making

00:58:42   these videos for me.

00:58:43   And that people are sharing

00:58:46   in that.

00:58:47   But eventually, if things

00:58:49   go the way that I would like them to, I do lose a bit of that control and I understand

00:58:55   that. You have to respect the audience, you know, and I think that there is a tightrope

00:59:01   to walk through that, of being able to express yourself creatively in the way that you want

00:59:08   to, but also giving the people that are deciding to spend their time with you the thing that

00:59:13   they want as well.

00:59:14   Yeah, it's definitely a delicate balancing act and you are totally right that in the beginning life cycle of your YouTube channel or any creative project,

00:59:24   you are more free to go all over the place and as the audience grows, that feeling of constraint can definitely get stronger.

00:59:34   I also think that it's still important to be able to feel like you can do something different

00:59:40   Instead of feeling like you're you're trapped in the exact same same thing

00:59:44   Well, isn't that what your second channels for right? Like isn't that what they exist, right?

00:59:48   That's part of yeah

00:59:50   The second channel is so I can put up just garbage that took a minute to do but that I just think is funny for some

00:59:56   Reason. Yeah, that's like

00:59:57   But but it definitely is the case that it's kind of like a weird outlet of like I'm just gonna put up

01:00:03   Whatever. Again, it doesn't even matter on the second channel in a way that I would never do on the first channel. Yeah.

01:00:09   So just out of curiosity, Myke, do you have any idea how long this vlog took you? Did you do time tracking on this one?

01:00:17   Again, this isn't a vlog! Great. This was a tech product review. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to use the wrong terminology.

01:00:26   For your tech product review, do you have any idea how long it took you? Yeah, I do.

01:00:32   It took me nine and a half hours.

01:00:36   - Oh, that's pretty good.

01:00:38   It's pretty good.

01:00:39   - Well, that was just the time that I tracked.

01:00:41   I know there was some time that I didn't track.

01:00:43   (laughing)

01:00:44   - I still think that's pretty good,

01:00:46   but I also bet for anybody

01:00:47   who has not ever made a YouTube video,

01:00:50   that seems like an astounding amount of time

01:00:53   for a final product that is 10 minutes and 37 seconds long.

01:00:57   What's the multiple on that, right?

01:01:00   Like it takes out twice as long to edit a podcast

01:01:02   it does to record. I was like, okay, well, for producing a video where you're not on

01:01:07   screen, where you have to put something on screen for every minute, you have a ratio

01:01:12   of nine hours to ten minutes. Brutal.

01:01:16   It's tough. It's a lot of time. Worth it, but a lot of time.

01:01:21   Yeah, I think it was worth it. It was interesting to see you do something else. And I look forward

01:01:25   to your future vlogs. I mean, tech product reviews. Tech product reviews. Not vlogs.

01:01:33   Not vlogs at all. I look forward to your future history videos.

01:01:37   Thank you. Have I ever made a history video? I don't think so.

01:01:39   I don't know, but I think that's what people think you make.

01:01:42   That and science videos. That's my other favorite one. People go like, "Oh, he's a science channel."

01:01:45   Like, which video is that? History and science. Isn't that the tagline

01:01:49   for your channel? Yeah.

01:01:50   It's usually going to be great. All history, all science, all the time.

01:01:53   except when there's nothing.

01:01:55   All history, all science, none of the time.

01:01:58   Yes, I like that.

01:02:00   Oh, that's actually quite good.

01:02:03   I should change channel to that.

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01:03:07   The Nintendo Switch is freaking awesome by the way.

01:03:09   I love it so much.

01:03:10   I love it so much.

01:03:12   And all I want to do is play Zelda.

01:03:14   Like 100% of my time always.

01:03:15   When I'm not playing it, I'm thinking about it.

01:03:18   All of it is amazing.

01:03:21   I was thinking it would be the perfect games console

01:03:24   for a great vacation as well, you know?

01:03:26   - Yeah, but see, when I do a great vacation,

01:03:28   there's no computer games.

01:03:30   There's no computer games, there's no social media.

01:03:33   So it is not actually the perfect console for a great vacation

01:03:37   and it would be a nightmare console for a great vacation.

01:03:39   I wouldn't wanna bring it with me.

01:03:41   - Well, it's the perfect console for vacations.

01:03:43   - Right, oh, there we go.

01:03:44   That's different.

01:03:46   Does look cool.

01:03:48   Like I have to say, it looks super cool.

01:03:50   As far as consoles go, it is definitely

01:03:52   the console that has piqued my interest the most of anything

01:03:57   in like, I mean, the last 10 years, really.

01:04:02   Because I've just been a PC master race, brackets,

01:04:07   actually, iMac gamer for essentially all of that time.

01:04:11   But it looks awesome.

01:04:13   And I too have very fond memories of Nintendo from my childhood, so I do feel tempted.

01:04:18   I feel very tempted.

01:04:19   I'll convince you.

01:04:20   Okay.

01:04:21   I'm just gonna show you Zelda.

01:04:23   I just want you to see the majesty that is this Zelda game.

01:04:28   Because I'm not even- I'm not- Zelda was never really one of the properties that I played

01:04:34   very often, but this is just nothing like any Zelda game before.

01:04:39   It's astounding.

01:04:42   It really is just unbelievable.

01:04:44   - So I guess this podcast is just interrupting

01:04:46   your Zelda time, is that what's happening?

01:04:48   - Everything is.

01:04:49   - Poor Myke.

01:04:51   What happens when you get obsessed with the game?

01:04:53   - Mm-hmm.

01:04:54   - Your whole life is just an obstacle in the way

01:04:57   of playing the game.

01:04:58   - Do you know what I'm living in fear of right now though?

01:05:01   - What?

01:05:01   - The moment where I stop.

01:05:03   - You mean when you win?

01:05:04   - No, the moment where I, we both suffer from this.

01:05:08   where you're playing a video game

01:05:10   and then you just immediately lose all interest

01:05:14   in the video game.

01:05:15   - Oh, okay, you have this too?

01:05:16   Okay, I actually don't think we've discussed this,

01:05:18   but I didn't, okay, so you have this fielding too.

01:05:20   People either get this or they don't, all right.

01:05:22   - So like I am like every day playing a game,

01:05:25   thinking about it, like it is consuming me,

01:05:28   and then all of a sudden, stops.

01:05:31   It completely just stops.

01:05:32   Sometimes, especially with iPhone games,

01:05:35   it's like I went on a trip

01:05:37   and didn't play it on the trip and then just decided never to play it again.

01:05:40   It just pops out of my head and I'm just like, "Yeah, I'm not interested anymore."

01:05:44   And for some reason, like I know this is going to happen with Zelda, but I don't want it

01:05:48   to.

01:05:49   I want to finish it.

01:05:51   And I'm concerned I won't finish it.

01:05:54   And I just need to keep plowing ahead.

01:05:57   I feel like I've got to get it done before Mario Kart, right?

01:06:00   So I've got about a month.

01:06:02   Okay.

01:06:03   That's your deadline?

01:06:04   Yeah, before Mario Kart.

01:06:07   Mario Kart on the Switch. It's getting even more tempting.

01:06:09   Yup. Getting even more tempting.

01:06:11   It's gonna be great.

01:06:13   How many hours of my childhood did I pour into Mario Kart? All of them.

01:06:16   Yup, get ready. It's coming.

01:06:19   I want to do something we haven't done in a while, Gray.

01:06:23   Yeah?

01:06:24   Care Techs.

01:06:25   No.

01:06:26   Where we take it-

01:06:27   Care Tech.

01:06:28   No. No.

01:06:29   What?

01:06:30   We're not doing this again.

01:06:31   What are you talking about?

01:06:32   It's Care Techs.

01:06:33   Yeah, Care Tech.

01:06:34   Oh my god.

01:06:35   Andrew asked, this is a question that we received from a bunch of different people written in

01:06:42   a bunch of different ways, but Andrew put it into one sentence.

01:06:47   How long should you make no money on a side project before you know it's time to move

01:06:52   on?

01:06:54   Ooh.

01:06:56   Now, I want to just like straight up say, and just get this out of the way, this is

01:07:03   obviously different for every single type of side project, right? So there is not a

01:07:08   fixed timeline, I think. I don't think the answer to this is actually calendar time.

01:07:17   Okay. I think the answer is something else.

01:07:20   I'm gonna say six months. I'm gonna put a calendar date on it.

01:07:24   Alright, great. How long were you making YouTube videos before you quit your teaching job?

01:07:29   Okay, well, alright Myke, it depends on what you're talking about.

01:07:32   [laughter]

01:07:33   See, that's what I just said!

01:07:34   [laughter]

01:07:35   It's six months asterisk.

01:07:37   Well, yeah, I mean, part of it is that the YouTube videos,

01:07:42   it took me a long time to recognize, like,

01:07:44   "Oh, this is a thing that can even be a career."

01:07:46   As I constantly need to mention, because it's like the forgotten mists of time,

01:07:50   that YouTube was not really a thing that you made money on when I started it.

01:07:55   So I think that's a little bit different.

01:07:57   But that's the thing though, I think so many people's side projects start that way.

01:08:02   Like, here's a thing I want to do.

01:08:04   So you start doing the thing and then all of a sudden you're like, oh, hang on.

01:08:07   I love this more than any other thing.

01:08:10   At first, it was just a thing I wanted to try because I'm interested in it.

01:08:13   Like podcasting or YouTube or writing.

01:08:16   It's like, this is just a thing that I enjoy.

01:08:18   And then it's like, oh, I enjoy this so much.

01:08:22   I can't bear to do anything else.

01:08:24   Right.

01:08:24   And then maybe the clock starts ticking.

01:08:28   - I mean, I guess this is Myke.

01:08:30   Myke talks about how much he loves podcasting

01:08:32   and he's living his dream, right?

01:08:34   But there's like CGP Grey over here

01:08:37   who had a bunch of projects

01:08:39   that were all just cynical projects, right?

01:08:42   To escape from the working life, right?

01:08:44   That's-- - All right.

01:08:45   Let me say in your terms of like,

01:08:48   this is the thing I can bear more than anything else.

01:08:52   All right, does that make you feel better?

01:08:54   - Sure, whatever, whatever.

01:08:55   - But like there is a moment in which you decide,

01:09:00   I wanna do this thing, right?

01:09:02   No matter what reason it is you're deciding,

01:09:04   whether it's like the thing that takes the least time

01:09:07   or it's the thing that you're interested in the most,

01:09:09   whatever your reasons are, right?

01:09:11   But I think that even from that point,

01:09:16   I couldn't say to you,

01:09:19   you should then only take six months on it.

01:09:22   because that's not what I did.

01:09:25   I spent like another three years from that point.

01:09:29   But I still got there, right?

01:09:32   And again, I'm not saying like you should do that.

01:09:36   I would actually advise that most people don't do that.

01:09:40   Like take three years on it.

01:09:42   But I think it shouldn't be about time.

01:09:47   And I think that that's for me,

01:09:51   The only thing I can say is don't put it in a sense of pure time, but surrounding factors,

01:10:01   which could be health, which could be I don't have any friends anymore, or could be my spouse

01:10:09   wants to kill me.

01:10:12   And I'm making fun of all of those things, but they are all the things.

01:10:16   And it is a you need to keep going to the point in which you realize the sacrifice isn't

01:10:24   worth it anymore.

01:10:25   And it's like that's the worst advice to give.

01:10:29   Yeah, that's terrible advice.

01:10:31   But it's the only thing that I know because I don't think that there is a time frame.

01:10:36   Like you have to do it until there is another factor.

01:10:42   Yeah.

01:10:45   I like six months.

01:10:46   Right?

01:10:47   Because…

01:10:48   You would.

01:10:49   Alright, so in case anybody hadn't already realized that me and you are very different,

01:10:54   I think this is it, right?

01:10:55   Like I'm like, "until the passion in your belly is distinguished."

01:10:59   Yeah, Myke's all like, "do what you love and the money will follow."

01:11:03   And yeah, and it's look like because I think built into this question is there's an intent

01:11:10   in this question.

01:11:11   How long should you make little to no money with a side project before you know it's

01:11:13   time to move on, right?

01:11:14   There's an intent there, which is, "I have a side project, the purpose of which is to make some money."

01:11:19   Right? That's, I think that's embedded in this question.

01:11:21   If there's a thing that you love to do, right, that it puts rainbows into your brain,

01:11:27   and you love it above everything and it makes no money,

01:11:31   but you still want to keep doing it, like that's fine.

01:11:34   Everybody's got to have hobbies, right? I guess. Except me. I can't maintain any hobbies.

01:11:39   But, like that's what that is. That's a description of a hobby.

01:11:43   But this feels like a thing that's an intent with purpose.

01:11:47   And I guess I feel strongly about this because when I look on past idiot me,

01:11:52   who was trying to spin up his own thing,

01:11:54   I think this by far is one of the costliest mistakes that I made,

01:12:01   which was sticking with projects for way too long.

01:12:06   Right? Way too long.

01:12:09   Like, I think of some of the other stuff that I used to do, and it was like,

01:12:12   So I used to do this time management business thing like forever ago now like in the mists of time

01:12:17   and that was actually a side project that did make money but more importantly it was like

01:12:24   it never quite made enough for me to do it as a self-employed thing right to be on my own 100%

01:12:33   But I like, I just stuck with that for too long.

01:12:38   And it was a kind of mediocre success, like it's earning some money,

01:12:44   but I'm not like I'm not spinning this up into another thing.

01:12:47   And I still remember actually exactly where I was

01:12:53   when I made the decision that like, it's time to drop this.

01:12:57   Even though this project is making some money,

01:12:59   this is not going to be the thing you've been working on it too long.

01:13:03   And that was like one of the best decisions I ever made.

01:13:07   And there's some other projects like that where it's like,

01:13:09   "I worked on this thing for too long and I should have switched projects sooner."

01:13:13   So that's why I think like if your intent with a side project is to actually make money with it,

01:13:23   I think from everyone I know who has successfully transitioned to being like a self-employed on their own person,

01:13:31   their side project that was the thing that actually did it for them

01:13:36   made money relatively quickly and also scaled up relatively quickly.

01:13:44   It's not so much like a, "Oh, I was working on a thing for four years

01:13:49   and then suddenly one day it became the thing."

01:13:52   Like, I just don't really think that that happens.

01:13:54   So that's why I say, like, if this is really your explicit intent,

01:13:58   intense, six months. Six months and if you don't see a really promising trend line, ditch

01:14:03   it, start the next thing.

01:14:05   Do it for a year.

01:14:09   You want to do it a year? That's fine, whatever. But just have something in your mind. Don't

01:14:14   just keep going on with it in a vague way and thinking like, "Oh, someday this thing

01:14:18   is going to pay off." Because it probably won't.

01:14:21   This question comes from Daniel. Daniel says, "I find it fascinating to hear your takes

01:14:26   and employment, particularly two that come to mind are your responses to leaving, employment

01:14:30   for self-employment, and whether the universe is or isn't worth it.

01:14:33   Those are big questions, okay. I guess the reason I find myself writing is

01:14:38   because I don't fully fall into either of those things you guys have answered. So don't

01:14:42   worry, Grey, we don't have to answer those questions today.

01:14:45   Is university worth it? Discuss. Maybe for a later show. I'm currently a student

01:14:50   with an office job that is currently sucking the soul out of me. Don't get me wrong, I

01:14:54   like I'm lucky for having an office job at a young age while most of my friends do not.

01:14:58   However, lately getting dressed for work in the mornings has felt like I'm bracing myself to go

01:15:02   into a battlefield. I find myself drowning in the amount of work I have and also constantly arguing

01:15:07   or putting up with bad attitudes for as little as saying good morning. It also doesn't help that I am

01:15:12   hourly not salary based and being paid a ridiculously smaller amount than the person I

01:15:17   ended up replacing. It feels chaotic and although changes are said to be coming to help with the

01:15:22   chaos, and they always are, and they always are coming. Those changes, they're just

01:15:28   on the horizon.

01:15:30   Any moment now, just stick with it.

01:15:34   So although changes are said to be coming to help with the chaos, I can't help but

01:15:38   feel like it's only downhill from here. The place that once felt like home might as

01:15:42   well be a minefield waiting to explode.

01:15:45   All that said, I don't have another thing to jump to. There is no side hustle. Without

01:15:48   limited education or experience I'm not 100% sure how easy it would be to find another

01:15:53   job. So my question is what would you guys do? Would you try to take more money and stay?

01:15:58   All of these signs that I should be running or am I just being a rebellious young person

01:16:03   who doesn't want to put up with being put down constantly?

01:16:07   It's signs that you should go. Definitely. Yeah that's what I like. My experience with

01:16:13   is when things in a working environment turn for the worse.

01:16:18   You just cannot believe ever any of the promises of future improvement.

01:16:23   Those will not be coming. Those are mollifications to keep you where you are.

01:16:29   If you don't have a side hustle, like there's obviously you don't want it to jump into the void of nothing,

01:16:38   of nothing but I would be very actively looking for another better position to

01:16:45   get into somewhere else that's that's what I would be doing and I know what

01:16:49   Daniel was saying about the fact that they're young and they don't have a lot

01:16:55   of experience and like I get all of that like and it would be tricky to find

01:16:59   another job that might be like on paper is good mm-hmm but if you allow yourself

01:17:04   to get into this mindset for your first job, you will be doing this forever.

01:17:10   If you allow yourself at this point to just stick it out,

01:17:15   you will be sticking it out in every job you ever have.

01:17:18   You're in this position, you know, whatever it is, like this is a bullet point on your resume,

01:17:23   and you use this to stretch into the next job. Because like, here's a pro tip,

01:17:29   When people put out requirements for another job, those are not hard and fast requirements.

01:17:36   Like you can try to stretch it in applications for other things. So like this is a ladder that

01:17:42   you want to try to climb. Like stretch it to a better position if you can. Even if you don't

01:17:48   necessarily think like you're 100% qualified for that other position. But just try it. Just go for

01:17:56   We've already got a job with no experience.

01:17:58   Yeah, exactly.

01:17:59   You now have magnitudes of experience more than you had the last time.

01:18:03   Literally infinitely more than what you had before.

01:18:06   You have all of the experience in the world, you know, if you look at how you were last time.

01:18:11   Yeah, but I think the meta lesson here is just never trust your employer when they tell you,

01:18:18   "Next year, we're going to make things up to you for this year," or there's changes coming.

01:18:24   is coming it's like no yeah never believe that stuff because here's the thing there may be and

01:18:29   they may change the things that are upsetting you now but there'll be new problems that need new

01:18:35   changes right like if you're in a workplace where it feels like there's always changes around the

01:18:41   corner it means that the changes are never coming as quickly as they should be right and and this

01:18:47   is usually the mark of a big machine yeah right trundling its way through the corporate world

01:18:53   I spent too long in a job that I shouldn't have been in feeling all of this and I took

01:19:06   too long before I made a change and I will always regret not doing that because of what

01:19:13   it put me through.

01:19:14   So if you are in this situation, of course, it's never easy to just get a job but there

01:19:20   There are always jobs and the thing is you should, if you're feeling like this, you should

01:19:24   at least be looking elsewhere so you get an idea of what is available and at least so

01:19:29   you feel like you have your future in your hands a little bit.

01:19:35   Yeah.

01:19:36   Your real job when you have a job is to find your next better job.

01:19:40   Yep.

01:19:41   And that can be inside the company or outside the company.

01:19:44   Yeah.

01:19:45   Anywhere.

01:19:46   I was teaching like I switched schools like for the same kind of thing like I like I want to have a

01:19:51   Better position like in terms of what that meant to me of like what is it that I'm looking for?

01:19:55   But even when I was at a school where I was totally 100% happy

01:20:00   I never never did not look at those job listings, right?

01:20:04   I had an automated thing for like job listings that mashed a bunch of criteria that I was looking for

01:20:08   I was like every week I got that little list and it's like I'm perfectly happy in my position right now

01:20:12   But I'm gonna take a look. I'm gonna take a look and just see what's out there

01:20:15   Like this is, if you have a job, I think this is part of it.

01:20:19   It's always keeping an eye on the horizon.

01:20:21   Do it, Daniel.