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00:00:00 ◼   ► So I have this secret project that has resulted in an enormous file,

00:00:04 ◼   ► a, I think about 300 gigabyte file,

00:00:06 ◼   ► that I want to synchronize between my laptop and my desktop,

00:00:10 ◼   ► but it's taking forever to upload on my house over my Wi-Fi,

00:00:13 ◼   ► so I was thinking I can bring my laptop to your house

00:00:16 ◼   ► to synchronize over your faster Wi-Fi.

00:00:18 ◼   ► I don't think that I've mentioned on this show, but I have, I have gigabit internet now.

00:00:23 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:00:24 ◼   ► There's a company in the UK called Hyperoptic,

00:00:27 ◼   ► which I discovered had cable run through my building.

00:00:31 ◼   ► So I now have super fast Internet.

00:00:34 ◼   ► So yes, by all means, Gray, you can bring your laptop over to my house

00:00:38 ◼   ► when you visit Mega Office this weekend and you can you can upload it.

00:00:43 ◼   ► I mean, you can upload it.

00:00:44 ◼   ► I can download a video game.

00:00:46 ◼   ► We can stream TV shows.

00:00:48 ◼   ► I've got bandwidth for days, my friend.

00:00:50 ◼   ► No problem here at all.

00:00:51 ◼   ► You know, I ran a speed test before we started the show

00:00:54 ◼   ► because I just like to do that now.

00:00:56 ◼   ► I know you do. I know you do.

00:00:57 ◼   ► And over Wi-Fi, I'm getting 500 up and down right now, so...

00:01:02 ◼   ► Whatever you need, buddy. Whatever you need.

00:01:04 ◼   ► I know you like to run speed tests all the time.

00:01:08 ◼   ► I know you like to tell everybody about your super fast internet.

00:01:11 ◼   ► It's...

00:01:12 ◼   ► You can't go an hour without telling someone in casual conversation that you have super fast internet.

00:01:17 ◼   ► I'm sure the barista at your local coffee place knows that you have super fast internet.

00:01:21 ◼   ► You just casually drop it into conversation all the time.

00:01:23 ◼   ► I got a new tattoo of my upload and download speed.

00:01:27 ◼   ► Yeah, that's what's happening.

00:01:30 ◼   ► That's going to be the tattoo on your other arm.

00:01:32 ◼   ► There were days where episodes of Cortex would cost me actual money.

00:01:38 ◼   ► I had to pay to increase my mobile bandwidth cap to download the logic file.

00:01:44 ◼   ► So now I'm able to do this in a flash.

00:01:47 ◼   ► I'm able to upload videos to YouTube, like multiple gigabyte videos, in like a, in like,

00:01:54 ◼   ► it's in the count of seconds rather than minutes, right?

00:01:58 ◼   ► Yeah, I know, I know. I mean look, look, Myke, when you first got your super fast Wi-Fi,

00:02:05 ◼   ► did I not say there was no man in the world who was more deserving of this than you? No

00:02:09 ◼   ► man who had struggled through sadder, slower, flakier internet for years building an internet-based

00:02:16 ◼   ► business who deserve this upgrade than you. Did I not say that?

00:02:20 ◼   ► You did say that. I did say that, right. But now I keep hearing about your great internet,

00:02:26 ◼   ► right? You keep mentioning it, right? You know, you're getting tattoos of it, you're bringing it

00:02:30 ◼   ► up all the time. It's gone too far. And now, now I'm just resentful and envious. And I don't,

00:02:35 ◼   ► and my goodwill is somewhat gone because it's like, oh, Myke's going to tell me about his

00:02:38 ◼   ► internet again. I know, I know Myke. You'll get to experience it. You'll be able to upload your

00:02:45 ◼   ► super secret project and step one for us sharing an office together will be

00:02:51 ◼   ► complete I'm gonna put a second desk inside of mega office I have another corner and we can

00:02:57 ◼   ► share that internet together great me and you it'll be lovely oh it's a trap

00:03:02 ◼   ► I just realized it's a trap I'm not gonna do it I also have a VR headset in here

00:03:06 ◼   ► if we both get VR headsets could we work together no wait no we could just wear

00:03:11 ◼   ► the VR headsets and we're like not even in the same room you could just have a

00:03:16 ◼   ► VR world created of your current office so it's like I'm never there but you

00:03:22 ◼   ► then still get the really fast internet you know you could stream an actual live

00:03:27 ◼   ► stream of the office into the other office because we'll have enough

00:03:30 ◼   ► bandwidth for it it's gonna be great you're making a lot of sense and scary

00:03:34 ◼   ► well so speaking of your office mm-hmm I tell you who I haven't heard about in a

00:03:39 ◼   ► while. Your office mate, how are they doing? He's doing good. Is he still there?

00:03:46 ◼   ► Still making phone calls. Have you seen him yet? I don't know what he looks like,

00:03:51 ◼   ► no. You still don't know what he looks like. I don't want to know what he

00:03:55 ◼   ► looks like. Although I did take a picture for you of his crazy whiteboard

00:04:02 ◼   ► because I know people don't believe me with the like writing big words like

00:04:08 ◼   ► growth and focus and customer service surrounded by nothing but I did happen

00:04:14 ◼   ► to pass the office and I did just want to show you to prove that this is really

00:04:21 ◼   ► really what I'm dealing with. How did you snap the picture? Like did you like hide

00:04:26 ◼   ► your phone under one arm and just like grab it on the move? It's like oh I'm

00:04:30 ◼   ► just checking my phone for a text message maybe in a slightly camera

00:04:34 ◼   ► holding angle. That's what I'm up to. You know, that's how that works.

00:04:38 ◼   ► I think this is an up high text message.

00:04:40 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, sometimes up high, down low, too slow. You know, that's how you take your text

00:04:46 ◼   ► messages sometimes.

00:04:47 ◼   ► All right. Oh, look at this. Revenue growth this year. Four arrows pointing at this year.

00:04:54 ◼   ► That's amazing. Just in case you didn't know it was this year with the word conversion

00:04:59 ◼   ► in the middle. Wow.

00:05:02 ◼   ► But you see what I mean? It's like, it's just buzzwords, but with no...

00:05:07 ◼   ► Like, there's no plans, there's lots of arrows, there's pointing.

00:05:11 ◼   ► Why would someone deal with us? Choose us.

00:05:13 ◼   ► Wow.

00:05:15 ◼   ► This is serious stuff, man.

00:05:16 ◼   ► Because I think sometimes when people hear me tell the stories,

00:05:21 ◼   ► they think, "Oh, surely it must be an exaggeration."

00:05:23 ◼   ► Nobody would write "motivation" on a whiteboard and circle it three times, surrounded by nothing.

00:05:29 ◼   ► It's like, "But someone does. Someone does. My office neighbor does."

00:05:33 ◼   ► Yeah, they really do.

00:05:35 ◼   ► They've got like a four quadrant thing.

00:05:37 ◼   ► One says "potential" on one side.

00:05:40 ◼   ► I can't see what the other one says.

00:05:41 ◼   ► With arrows next to them.

00:05:43 ◼   ► Man, this is incredible.

00:05:45 ◼   ► B-A-U brilliance. Do you know what that means?

00:05:49 ◼   ► No, I don't know what that means.

00:05:50 ◼   ► Business as usual.

00:05:51 ◼   ► Oh, I see. Look at you. You know all the jargon.

00:05:54 ◼   ► Oh yeah, I'm seeing loads of things.

00:05:56 ◼   ► It's been a continual source of frustration.

00:05:58 ◼   ► I do also have a plan that I'm slowly trying to enact over this, which did include looking

00:06:04 ◼   ► for another office.

00:06:05 ◼   ► But so far it has proven unfruitful.

00:06:08 ◼   ► I thought this was a plan to finally get rid of him.

00:06:12 ◼   ► Is that what the 300 gigabyte file is?

00:06:15 ◼   ► I mean look, I just, you know, if my talking like a crazy person with Thunderstorms hasn't

00:06:21 ◼   ► convinced him to go away, like nothing was going to convince him to go away.

00:06:24 ◼   ► That is true.

00:06:25 ◼   ► I'm not going to do anything here.

00:06:26 ◼   ► I looked into moving within the same building and that wasn't going to work out for a couple

00:06:31 ◼   ► of other problems.

00:06:32 ◼   ► I actually did try to find another office in my extraordinarily narrow radius where

00:06:38 ◼   ► I would like to find an office.

00:06:39 ◼   ► And I thought I had found one, but of course, real estate people, you can't trust them.

00:06:44 ◼   ► I don't know if you had that experience, Myke, or not, but...

00:06:47 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:06:48 ◼   ► This is like, they have a reputation in their industry and it is well deserved is my small

00:06:53 ◼   ► experience of trying to find another office.

00:06:56 ◼   ► You know, I'm sure not all real estate brokers, but like vast majority of, yes.

00:07:00 ◼   ► Yeah, it's super fun. It's like, "Hey, I have a bunch of

00:07:05 ◼   ► requirements for an office. Can you tell me if this office has those requirements?"

00:07:12 ◼   ► It's like, "I would like this, I would like this, I would like this, and like this. Here are the four things

00:07:15 ◼   ► that for me are total deal breakers that I would like in an office." And they say, "Oh, we found a great place for you.

00:07:22 ◼   ► Why don't you come on down and take a look at it?"

00:07:25 ◼   ► And I'm like, "Why don't you answer my f*cking question about if the office actually has these properties?"

00:07:31 ◼   ► I'm like, "Ah, just take a look, you'll love it!"

00:07:33 ◼   ► It's like, "That's not an answer!"

00:07:34 ◼   ► Right? That doesn't tell me if I have a thermostat that I can control.

00:07:38 ◼   ► Right? You're just trying to get me in the door. It's very frustrating.

00:07:41 ◼   ► This office definitely has four properties. Yeah, no, it does.

00:07:44 ◼   ► It has four of them. Mm-hmm. 100% has four.

00:07:46 ◼   ► I actually came very close to signing a lease for a new office.

00:07:52 ◼   ► because I like it like a miracle right like manna from heaven I did find an office that met all of

00:07:57 ◼   ► my various picky requirements that's exactly where I want it to be it has everything I could possibly

00:08:02 ◼   ► want in it it was a little bit expensive like a little bit out of a little bit out of the range

00:08:08 ◼   ► that I actually wanted to but it was way too expensive is what it was it's a little expensive

00:08:14 ◼   ► but I was like you know what this is like this is totally worth it like I'm you know if if if it

00:08:19 ◼   ► meets all of these things, it's fine. Like, I can deal with this. And they're like, "Oh,

00:08:22 ◼   ► you just have to sign for a three month lease." I'm like, "Okay, that's fine." It's a reasonable

00:08:26 ◼   ► amount of time, right? But then as negotiations go on, they're like, "Oh, did we say three

00:08:32 ◼   ► months? We meant six months. And you have to put up 25% in advance." And like, six months?

00:08:39 ◼   ► That's a long time to commit if I don't know, if I like the office for sure. Like, it has

00:08:44 ◼   ► all of the properties that I want. But just like this guy who's next door to me in my

00:08:47 ◼   ► current place. Maybe there's some sort of deal breaker that I don't know about." And

00:08:51 ◼   ► signing up for six months without knowing that, like, it's a long time. So it's like,

00:08:56 ◼   ► six months, I hemmed and hawed about it for a little while, and I finally decided, like,

00:09:01 ◼   ► "Okay, six months, I'm willing to take this gamble," because again, I'm picky and it meets

00:09:05 ◼   ► all of my criteria.

00:09:06 ◼   ► What are you gonna do? Like, you have to do this when you buy a home as well, like when

00:09:10 ◼   ► you rent a home. You always have a contract. You never know what it's actually gonna be

00:09:13 ◼   ► like. Sometimes you have to just roll the dice.

00:09:15 ◼   ► Yeah, always. There's always some you have to roll the dice.

00:09:18 ◼   ► But guess what? When I showed up on the actual day to sign the actual final lease, it was,

00:09:24 ◼   ► "Oh, did we say a six-month lease?"

00:09:27 ◼   ► "We meant a year, and you have to put down 25% and it's also more expensive than we originally thought."

00:09:34 ◼   ► Like, I see what you're doing, right? I'm the fool here. You knew this right from the beginning.

00:09:40 ◼   ► You've just been slowly cranking up. Like once you get me used to six months,

00:09:44 ◼   ► you're trying to see if you can lock me in for a year.

00:09:46 ◼   ► So it's like, "Oh the hell with you. Like I'm walking out of here. I don't want anything to do with this office.

00:09:50 ◼   ► I'm not falling for your tricks. I'm getting out of here." So anyway, I don't have a new office.

00:09:54 ◼   ► What are you gonna do?

00:09:54 ◼   ► Growth.

00:09:55 ◼   ► Growth.

00:09:55 ◼   ► That's what you're gonna do.

00:09:56 ◼   ► Growth is what you're gonna hear.

00:09:57 ◼   ► What I've been doing is spending more time working like I used to at different places around the city,

00:10:02 ◼   ► which has been an interesting change of pace.

00:10:04 ◼   ► This is like something like, "I haven't wanted to go into my regular office.

00:10:07 ◼   ► I'm gonna go somewhere else just like I used to."

00:10:09 ◼   ► and so that's been an interesting thing to do but that's what I've been up to

00:10:13 ◼   ► lately with my office.

00:10:16 ◼   ► Are you not wasting money now on your office?

00:10:18 ◼   ► Look there's a plan there's still a plan in place here Myke.

00:10:20 ◼   ► Okay.

00:10:21 ◼   ► But I'll update you at some point in the future when there's when there's more

00:10:24 ◼   ► but there's a plan.

00:10:24 ◼   ► Okay.

00:10:25 ◼   ► Don't you worry.

00:10:25 ◼   ► Operation something something.

00:10:28 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:10:28 ◼   ► Well I should come up with a good project name for it.

00:10:31 ◼   ► Oh how have you got a project name?

00:10:32 ◼   ► This is the one project that deserves a name out of everything.

00:10:35 ◼   ► Do you know why there's no project name?

00:10:37 ◼   ► It's because I've had nowhere to write a project name

00:10:38 ◼   ► because I've been keeping my projects in my head for the time being.

00:10:41 ◼   ► I haven't had to write anything down.

00:10:43 ◼   ► Still just in your head?

00:10:44 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah. I'm doing fine.

00:10:45 ◼   ► Oh dear.

00:10:46 ◼   ► Don't you worry about me.

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00:12:18 ◼   ► So this makes me think of something.

00:12:20 ◼   ► You know, this person who's making these calls at all hours of the day is lining up with something

00:12:26 ◼   ► that's been in my mind right now, which is time shifting.

00:12:28 ◼   ► Mmm.

00:12:29 ◼   ► And I have a couple of reasons I'm thinking about this.

00:12:32 ◼   ► One is with the assistant stuff,

00:12:34 ◼   ► which we'll get might touch on a little bit later on.

00:12:36 ◼   ► Just thinking about being in the UK,

00:12:39 ◼   ► dealing with the US, obviously your office mate

00:12:42 ◼   ► deals with, where did you think it was?

00:12:43 ◼   ► Hong Kong or something?

00:12:45 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's China and somewhere else.

00:12:48 ◼   ► - Right, so that is a thing.

00:12:49 ◼   ► And the reason it's on my mind as well right now

00:12:52 ◼   ► is because of daylight savings time.

00:12:55 ◼   ► So there's a two week gap between the US changing and the UK changing.

00:13:00 ◼   ► And right now we're in the good one.

00:13:03 ◼   ► This is totally crazy making.

00:13:05 ◼   ► I find this impossible to keep track of every year.

00:13:07 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:13:08 ◼   ► It takes me a surprise every single time.

00:13:10 ◼   ► I don't, I don't have to deal with obviously as many sort of cross ocean

00:13:16 ◼   ► meetings calls as you do, but I still have family and friends in America.

00:13:21 ◼   ► And I can just like this, this time of year, I'm always just vaguely aware

00:13:25 ◼   ► is the crazy time of year because it's like, oh right, around March and then I don't know,

00:13:31 ◼   ► when is it like around October or something? You have to be way more careful when you're planning

00:13:36 ◼   ► with people because you might get caught by a surprise daylight savings change, right?

00:13:40 ◼   ► It's incredibly frustrating. It's incredibly frustrating.

00:13:43 ◼   ► Now that I work for myself, this is the good one because I get two weeks of everyone being an hour

00:13:49 ◼   ► closer to me. But when I was doing this as my side thing, this was the bad one because I had to get

00:13:54 ◼   ► at home from work quicker.

00:13:56 ◼   ► - Ah, of course, right, of course.

00:13:58 ◼   ► - Because shows that were recording at six

00:14:00 ◼   ► were now recording at five,

00:14:01 ◼   ► and then that was just nightmare time for two weeks.

00:14:04 ◼   ► But now it's good

00:14:04 ◼   ► because everything's happening earlier in the day,

00:14:07 ◼   ► so I get more time in the evening, right?

00:14:10 ◼   ► Also, we're closer, everything's just closer.

00:14:12 ◼   ► That one hour actually does make a big difference.

00:14:15 ◼   ► - Oh yeah, yeah, it really does.

00:14:16 ◼   ► - Now, before we kind of,

00:14:17 ◼   ► I wanna kind of ask you about time shifting

00:14:20 ◼   ► and if and when that is a thing for you.

00:14:23 ◼   ► But before we do, I have a tip, a life hack,

00:14:27 ◼   ► you may call it, for Mac and iOS users.

00:14:30 ◼   ► So I use an app called Fantastical.

00:14:34 ◼   ► And I'm sure there are other applications that do this.

00:14:36 ◼   ► I think Apple's calendar allows you to do this,

00:14:38 ◼   ► to set event times in other time zones.

00:14:42 ◼   ► - Oh yeah, yeah.

00:14:43 ◼   ► - So I do this where I'm setting my shows

00:14:47 ◼   ► in the time zones of my host,

00:14:49 ◼   ► so I don't need to change my entire calendar around

00:14:52 ◼   ► from Daylight Savings Time hits, it just does it on its own.

00:14:55 ◼   ► So that is a tip for anybody that does schedule with people

00:14:59 ◼   ► in other time zones in other countries.

00:15:01 ◼   ► When Daylight Savings Time changes, you end up like,

00:15:03 ◼   ► you go, do you move the meeting forward or back?

00:15:07 ◼   ► Like you don't have to do any of that.

00:15:08 ◼   ► - I can never do that math.

00:15:10 ◼   ► I was just looking on my computer because I use Fantastical

00:15:15 ◼   ► and Apple's calendar for different things.

00:15:17 ◼   ► I find them useful in different ways

00:15:19 ◼   ► for looking at my schedule in different manners.

00:15:22 ◼   ► But I have Apple's calendar up right now and for anybody who uses that it's hidden, but it's in preferences under advanced

00:15:30 ◼   ► There's an option to turn on timezone support by default that is not listed there

00:15:36 ◼   ► and when you turn that on it allows you to do the same thing like Fantastic Cal does of

00:15:41 ◼   ► set the meeting in the other person's timezone and I always do that

00:15:47 ◼   ► Like if you're ever coordinating with someone who's remote,

00:15:50 ◼   ► you never do the like, "Oh, a meeting in my time."

00:15:52 ◼   ► It's always like, no, no, no.

00:15:53 ◼   ► You know, it's, you're in New York, right?

00:15:55 ◼   ► We're going to have a meeting at 3 p.m. New York time.

00:15:59 ◼   ► Right, and I enter that into my calendar that way.

00:16:01 ◼   ► And then it just shows up however it is.

00:16:03 ◼   ► It's super helpful to do it that way.

00:16:07 ◼   ► Because it's just so easy to mess up, it really is.

00:16:10 ◼   ► And then of course, I'll always like,

00:16:11 ◼   ► invite the other person to that calendar event as well,

00:16:14 ◼   ► just to try to make sure like,

00:16:15 ◼   ► We're really on the same page about when is this meeting occurring.

00:16:19 ◼   ► You've just reminded me of something,

00:16:20 ◼   ► a pet peeve of mine with inviting people to events.

00:16:23 ◼   ► It really annoys me when somebody invites you to their event,

00:16:27 ◼   ► but it's named for them. So it says meeting with Myke.

00:16:32 ◼   ► So I see meeting with Myke in my calendar. Like that's no good.

00:16:36 ◼   ► You need to like use everyone's names. All right. Everyone's names,

00:16:40 ◼   ► if any names or no names at all.

00:16:44 ◼   ► I think you're complaining about this because I do this.

00:16:46 ◼   ► You do this, everyone does this.

00:16:47 ◼   ► I have meetings next week.

00:16:49 ◼   ► I'm meeting myself like four times next week.

00:16:51 ◼   ► It's gonna be really good fun.

00:16:53 ◼   ► I forget that you can't change the name on the other end.

00:16:59 ◼   ► That it's like, it's sent the way it looks.

00:17:00 ◼   ► It just seems to me like this should be a thing that it's synchronized between both

00:17:04 ◼   ► people but both people should be able to call it whatever they want.

00:17:08 ◼   ► And it seems like, oh obviously it should just work the way it works in my head, which

00:17:11 ◼   ► is like magic.

00:17:13 ◼   ► And so I just forget that it's an annoyance for the other person.

00:17:16 ◼   ► I know what you're saying, but I don't think that would work, right?

00:17:18 ◼   ► Like, because-

00:17:19 ◼   ► Oh no, don't get- no, yeah.

00:17:20 ◼   ► Like, that's why I mean it would have to work by magic, right?

00:17:22 ◼   ► Because it's like, "Computer, I want you to read my goddamn mind, right, about what do

00:17:26 ◼   ► I want in the title of this thing."

00:17:28 ◼   ► I just mean, like, you imagine there's like a meeting with eight different people and

00:17:31 ◼   ► everyone keeps changing the name of it, right?

00:17:33 ◼   ► It's just like, and nobody knows what the meeting is.

00:17:36 ◼   ► Yeah, there's no win situation, there's no proper way to handle this in the way that

00:17:40 ◼   ► I would want.

00:17:41 ◼   ► I totally acknowledge it, but yet every time I set a meeting, some part of my brain just

00:17:47 ◼   ► thinks, "Oh, this works the way you think it should.

00:17:49 ◼   ► Just send the invitation.

00:17:51 ◼   ► Everything's good."

00:17:52 ◼   ► So, time shifting is kind of what I refer to as when you observe somebody else's working

00:18:00 ◼   ► hours and kind of emplace them on your own a little bit.

00:18:04 ◼   ► And it's why, you know, we've spoken about sleeping patterns in the past, and one of

00:18:07 ◼   ► the reasons that I go to bed so late is because I can pick up some stuff in the evening, which

00:18:11 ◼   ► is still for people that are awake in some time zones in the US. And I just wondered

00:18:16 ◼   ► if like, do you do this at all? Like do you ever observe time zones in that way? I don't

00:18:23 ◼   ► know if you work with as many people in the US as I do.

00:18:27 ◼   ► I'm not sure what you mean by observe time zones. Like the primary time zone relationship

00:18:36 ◼   ► that I have is between myself and my assistant and

00:18:39 ◼   ► I am always

00:18:41 ◼   ► hugely aware that it is very helpful to me that she is on

00:18:46 ◼   ► US Central Time. The overlap between her working hours and my working hours and when I am

00:18:52 ◼   ► open to the world versus closed to the world, like it is just the perfect time zone ever

00:18:58 ◼   ► relationally to me. And so if I ever had to get another assistant

00:19:03 ◼   ► It would be like, "Tell me where you are in timezone world."

00:19:05 ◼   ► Like this is hugely important.

00:19:08 ◼   ► - Why do you find Central to be better than Eastern?

00:19:11 ◼   ► - Well, it's a combination of when she gets up

00:19:15 ◼   ► because she happens to get up very early, right?

00:19:17 ◼   ► So if she was keeping normal working hours,

00:19:20 ◼   ► Eastern timezone would probably be better,

00:19:22 ◼   ► but her schedule has kind of shifted very early in the day.

00:19:26 ◼   ► And it is also a side effect of,

00:19:28 ◼   ► I think I mentioned this before,

00:19:31 ◼   ► but I really do try to quarantine my mornings like I don't want the external world involved in my mornings at all.

00:19:36 ◼   ► So it's like by the time I

00:19:39 ◼   ► shift to being open to the world, this is around the time that she is starting her day, right?

00:19:46 ◼   ► And so she has like the whole day ahead of her to do stuff

00:19:50 ◼   ► whereas I wouldn't

00:19:52 ◼   ► want or need someone available to me in the mornings because I would never be sending requests or

00:19:59 ◼   ► receiving information from someone during those times. Like that's when I tried to be walled off from everything.

00:20:03 ◼   ► So this is where I had a revelation in the last two weeks.

00:20:06 ◼   ► Mm-hmm. I thought I was this way, right?

00:20:09 ◼   ► That I like my quiet time in the morning and I do like it

00:20:13 ◼   ► but I do also want someone that I'm working with to be available to me and

00:20:19 ◼   ► the difference in our business, right? Like you're walling yourself off for

00:20:23 ◼   ► creative work completely and I'm doing some of that but I'm also

00:20:28 ◼   ► Dealing with paperwork and sponsor copy and stuff in that time in the morning

00:20:33 ◼   ► And I was always thinking to myself that like Oh us Eastern time. That's what I want

00:20:38 ◼   ► I want someone to be awake just in us Eastern time, but then I realized that us Eastern working time. I'm usually recording shows

00:20:44 ◼   ► Mm-hmm, so I can't work with my assistant

00:20:47 ◼   ► It actually became important to me to realize that oh, maybe I need somebody who can overlap for both

00:20:52 ◼   ► So I have somebody who's available during my morning my quiet morning before America wakes up

00:20:58 ◼   ► up, but then also up until like lunchtime in the US in Eastern time.

00:21:05 ◼   ► I am terrible at doing any kind of time zone math, right?

00:21:10 ◼   ► This is why I have to do it all on the calendar and always trust the calendar

00:21:12 ◼   ► to do something like, does that time zone exist?

00:21:14 ◼   ► When would that even be?

00:21:15 ◼   ► I have no idea.

00:21:16 ◼   ► Like, have you worked this out on a piece of paper or are you asking for two

00:21:20 ◼   ► six hour slots that are six hours apart?

00:21:23 ◼   ► Not really.

00:21:23 ◼   ► Is that what you're asking for?

00:21:24 ◼   ► Not really.

00:21:25 ◼   ► Like standard UK working time will do this.

00:21:28 ◼   ► Because, like, yeah.

00:21:30 ◼   ► - Well, that's a really good solution, actually.

00:21:32 ◼   ► - So GMT has ended up, funnily enough,

00:21:36 ◼   ► being the best time zone,

00:21:37 ◼   ► because I get availability in the morning if I need it,

00:21:41 ◼   ► when it's just me, and then kind of six,

00:21:44 ◼   ► that six o'clock is basically lunchtime in the US.

00:21:47 ◼   ► And I feel like if somebody has asked you something

00:21:50 ◼   ► past lunch, tomorrow is fine, in most instances, right?

00:21:54 ◼   ► Tomorrow is fine, it's lunchtime, of course.

00:21:56 ◼   ► We're on the other side of this thing.

00:21:58 ◼   ► So yeah, I didn't really think of that going forward,

00:22:02 ◼   ► like as an option when I started the whole

00:22:05 ◼   ► thinking about an assistant process.

00:22:07 ◼   ► But I started instead of,

00:22:09 ◼   ► 'cause what I was doing before is I was paying attention

00:22:11 ◼   ► to how much time it took for me to do things,

00:22:14 ◼   ► not necessarily when I'm doing them.

00:22:17 ◼   ► When I pay a bit more attention to that, it helped.

00:22:19 ◼   ► And for me personally, I'm still gonna continue doing things

00:22:22 ◼   ► the way that I do things,

00:22:23 ◼   ► where like there's more work happening at midnight.

00:22:26 ◼   ► but I would never ask anyone to do that for me

00:22:29 ◼   ► because that is a silly way to work,

00:22:32 ◼   ► but it's the way that I work.

00:22:34 ◼   ► - That would seem unreasonable to ask someone

00:22:36 ◼   ► to be available during UK working hours.

00:22:38 ◼   ► - Unreasonable is not even a strong enough word for it.

00:22:40 ◼   ► - Also through until midnight.

00:22:42 ◼   ► - Can you be awake 24/7, is that all right?

00:22:44 ◼   ► Yeah, we can do this, right?

00:22:45 ◼   ► We're good together.

00:22:46 ◼   ► - I don't know, Myke,

00:22:47 ◼   ► maybe it sounds like you need two assistants.

00:22:49 ◼   ► One assistant is none assistant.

00:22:50 ◼   ► - How many assistants do you have?

00:22:53 ◼   ► I have none assistance by that logic.

00:22:55 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:22:58 ◼   ► Is there an update on the assistant?

00:23:01 ◼   ► I'm curious.

00:23:02 ◼   ► - There is.

00:23:03 ◼   ► - What's going on?

00:23:04 ◼   ► - We have hired someone.

00:23:05 ◼   ► - Oh wow, it's all done, lock, stock and barrel.

00:23:08 ◼   ► - All done, all taken care of.

00:23:11 ◼   ► - Wow, getting business done, Myke.

00:23:13 ◼   ► That's what you're up to.

00:23:14 ◼   ► - Not yet, about to get training done.

00:23:16 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:23:18 ◼   ► - Okay, so first tell me though,

00:23:19 ◼   ► how did the interviewing process go?

00:23:21 ◼   ► Is there anything that you can say about that?

00:23:22 ◼   ► It was better than I thought it was gonna be.

00:23:26 ◼   ► We booked in the majority of interviews

00:23:28 ◼   ► to occur over two days,

00:23:31 ◼   ► and I thought that was gonna kill me,

00:23:33 ◼   ► but it was absolutely fine,

00:23:35 ◼   ► because we booked them in one hour blocks,

00:23:37 ◼   ► and they were like half an hour each,

00:23:38 ◼   ► so it was 30 minutes on and off.

00:23:40 ◼   ► So I got 30 minutes of interviewing time,

00:23:43 ◼   ► 30 minutes of playing Zelda.

00:23:44 ◼   ► And then just replicate that over two days.

00:23:48 ◼   ► And yeah, it was illuminating.

00:23:51 ◼   ► As I said, I came to my realization about

00:23:56 ◼   ► when my working hours should be during this process,

00:24:00 ◼   ► because it was more in my mind than usual,

00:24:02 ◼   ► of thinking about all of these people

00:24:04 ◼   ► and the times that they would be available,

00:24:06 ◼   ► and I was like, oh, I need to do this thing right now.

00:24:09 ◼   ► That person's not gonna be awake.

00:24:11 ◼   ► That was kind of a big thing that was playing on my mind

00:24:16 ◼   ► a lot as we were going through.

00:24:17 ◼   ► I realized that I wish I had all the money in the world,

00:24:21 ◼   ► because there were like three people

00:24:25 ◼   ► that I would have hired, you know?

00:24:26 ◼   ► So it was very interesting, but a rewarding experience.

00:24:32 ◼   ► And I think that we've ended up in a pretty good place.

00:24:36 ◼   ► And yeah, it's been very interesting

00:24:40 ◼   ► and it's made me feel like a grownup,

00:24:42 ◼   ► which is very strange.

00:24:44 ◼   ► - Yeah, I think when you get to the point

00:24:45 ◼   ► where you're hiring people, you're a proper grownup.

00:24:47 ◼   ► There's no getting around that.

00:24:49 ◼   ► - 'Cause we're setting up accounts now, right?

00:24:51 ◼   ► like email addresses and authentication

00:24:54 ◼   ► for such and such system.

00:24:55 ◼   ► And yeah, I am very excited though

00:24:58 ◼   ► to see where it's gonna go,

00:24:59 ◼   ► especially because I'm traveling a lot in April.

00:25:03 ◼   ► So I'm really pleased that we're able

00:25:04 ◼   ► to get the ball rolling now on this

00:25:07 ◼   ► so I can have some assistance in April

00:25:09 ◼   ► and also so we don't have to wait until May.

00:25:11 ◼   ► Because there's a lot of time

00:25:12 ◼   ► that we're gonna need to spend together

00:25:14 ◼   ► looking at stuff together, right?

00:25:16 ◼   ► So I can show them how this works and how that works.

00:25:19 ◼   ► So yeah, I am actually, I'm interested to see how it goes.

00:25:24 ◼   ► I'm excited to see how somebody tries to interpret my system.

00:25:30 ◼   ► And I wonder what it's gonna look like

00:25:35 ◼   ► on the other end of it, you know?

00:25:38 ◼   ► And I have to try and explain to someone

00:25:40 ◼   ► the way I do things.

00:25:41 ◼   ► How am I gonna feel about that stuff?

00:25:43 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:25:44 ◼   ► - You're gonna feel terrible about it,

00:25:46 ◼   ► is how you're gonna feel.

00:25:48 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:25:48 ◼   ► This is, I find, is part of the whole process, is explaining how you do things to another person.

00:25:57 ◼   ► It's just like when we're having a conversation, talking about anything, right?

00:26:00 ◼   ► Whenever someone's talking out loud their own thoughts, you're thinking about it as well.

00:26:05 ◼   ► And especially when you have to explain it to someone else, all of the flaws become much more obvious, right?

00:26:12 ◼   ► or I know I definitely had the experience of constantly realizing,

00:26:16 ◼   ► "Wow, I'm doing this in a way that was not really the best way to do this,

00:26:21 ◼   ► but I've just been doing it because this is the way I've always done it

00:26:25 ◼   ► and I also haven't thought about this particular part of the process,

00:26:28 ◼   ► you know, very much at all until this moment."

00:26:31 ◼   ► So yeah, I think that's what you're going to find

00:26:33 ◼   ► is that as you go through your own thing,

00:26:35 ◼   ► you're going to realize ways to do it better

00:26:39 ◼   ► and also ways to do it differently

00:26:41 ◼   ► when you're working with somebody else.

00:26:43 ◼   ► - That was honestly, as uncomfortable and difficult

00:26:46 ◼   ► some of that stuff's gonna be for me,

00:26:49 ◼   ► this was part of my motivation

00:26:50 ◼   ► and even beginning this process,

00:26:52 ◼   ► was it's time to get some of this stuff out of my brain

00:26:57 ◼   ► and put it down on paper

00:27:00 ◼   ► and establish systems and processes

00:27:04 ◼   ► because we need that if the business is gonna keep growing.

00:27:08 ◼   ► That's what it has to be, right?

00:27:09 ◼   ► We're kind of meeting, we're kind of hitting that point now

00:27:12 ◼   ► where it's less kind of making it up as we go along

00:27:15 ◼   ► and we kind of have to write some of this stuff down.

00:27:19 ◼   ► - Yeah, and also the, like you said,

00:27:21 ◼   ► getting things out of your head

00:27:22 ◼   ► and getting them into being a process.

00:27:25 ◼   ► I still think for me the most shocking example

00:27:30 ◼   ► of a process that I was originally doing

00:27:35 ◼   ► that I had kept all in my head

00:27:37 ◼   ► was the process of making the Hello Internet podcast go live, right?

00:27:42 ◼   ► Which was a thing that I used to be responsible for the whole of that.

00:27:45 ◼   ► And when I started having my assistant help with that,

00:27:50 ◼   ► we were going through it. Like we did it, we did a, um,

00:27:54 ◼   ► the way we did it was when I was putting an episode up live,

00:27:58 ◼   ► we did a screen sharing chat together. So it's like, I'm going to do this.

00:28:02 ◼   ► You're going to watch,

00:28:05 ◼   ► you're going to be writing down the process as you go along.

00:28:07 ◼   ► And then afterwards, like we'll take a look at the checklist and like, we'll,

00:28:11 ◼   ► we'll, we'll build this up,

00:28:12 ◼   ► but I'm going to go through it once and you see,

00:28:14 ◼   ► and then let's figure out how to do this.

00:28:16 ◼   ► I think one difference between me and you though,

00:28:18 ◼   ► is that we won't be doing this in silence.

00:28:20 ◼   ► No, it wasn't in silence. We were talking to each other.

00:28:22 ◼   ► I thought you said you'd only ever exchanged one word.

00:28:25 ◼   ► No, we've, we've,

00:28:26 ◼   ► I think maybe spoken to each other 10 times in three years or

00:28:31 ◼   ► whatever. Right. And this was one of those times. Uh, we've,

00:28:34 ◼   ► We've never done like a FaceTime phone call,

00:28:37 ◼   ► but this was just a screen sharing thing.

00:28:39 ◼   ► And it's useful to do it in voice

00:28:40 ◼   ► because voice is just higher bandwidth.

00:28:41 ◼   ► - Well, you have to if you're gonna do this stuff.

00:28:43 ◼   ► It would be mind boggling to try and do that any other way.

00:28:47 ◼   ► That's a very good question.

00:28:48 ◼   ► - Which is why I wouldn't do it that way.

00:28:50 ◼   ► No, it would be ridiculous.

00:28:51 ◼   ► - Well.

00:28:52 ◼   ► - But, well, yeah, it would be ridiculous.

00:28:55 ◼   ► But I do have to say that was,

00:28:56 ◼   ► the most shocking thing to me was,

00:28:59 ◼   ► and as I've mentioned before,

00:29:01 ◼   ► I had a big checklist that I was using

00:29:02 ◼   ► for here's all the switches that need to be flipped,

00:29:04 ◼   ► putting it up on YouTube, putting it up on Patreon,

00:29:06 ◼   ► for doing all the backend on the system,

00:29:09 ◼   ► like filling in all the metadata,

00:29:11 ◼   ► like all of this, like there's just tons of stuff.

00:29:12 ◼   ► Like I already had a really long checklist,

00:29:15 ◼   ► but when we went through it and it has to be explained

00:29:18 ◼   ► in a way that a person who is totally unfamiliar

00:29:21 ◼   ► with this system can do it, I realized,

00:29:24 ◼   ► oh, this checklist, it ended up exploding

00:29:27 ◼   ► to be like five times the size,

00:29:29 ◼   ► because even when I thought I had written down everything,

00:29:32 ◼   ► You just don't realize all of the little things that you don't even think are part of the process that you're just doing automatically,

00:29:40 ◼   ► but that are not going to be obvious to somebody else who is unfamiliar with it.

00:29:44 ◼   ► And so now we have the result is a document that a competent person could follow through,

00:29:51 ◼   ► because it literally does have "here are all of the steps that are required,"

00:29:56 ◼   ► not just "here are the steps that I want to be reminded of when I'm doing it myself"

00:30:03 ◼   ► and like those are two totally, totally different things

00:30:07 ◼   ► but I'm constantly surprised about how processes expand into multi-level steps

00:30:14 ◼   ► when you start working with other people

00:30:16 ◼   ► Yeah, I'm expecting a bit more of like "why do you do it that way?"

00:30:20 ◼   ► and I'm like "I can't tell you why"

00:30:24 ◼   ► It was the way I did it the first time?

00:30:26 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:30:26 ◼   ► And it just never changed?

00:30:28 ◼   ► Yep, yep, yep. That's the answer to very many things.

00:30:32 ◼   ► Why do you do it this way? It's the way I did it the first time.

00:30:35 ◼   ► And then this groove got well worn over time.

00:30:38 ◼   ► But it is going to be a time-consuming and challenging process, I'm sure, right?

00:30:45 ◼   ► It will be with anybody.

00:30:47 ◼   ► But I'm excited to do it.

00:30:49 ◼   ► Because when it's done, everything gets better.

00:30:53 ◼   ► Mm-hmm. And I'm looking forward to that future.

00:30:57 ◼   ► Yeah, I have yet to meet anybody who's gone through this process who, on the other side of it,

00:31:02 ◼   ► doesn't make a comment like "I should have done this a year ago."

00:31:06 ◼   ► Just like we were talking about last time, right? Hires are always made six months too late.

00:31:10 ◼   ► This is the same kind of thing. By the time you're looking into getting someone to help you with anything,

00:31:15 ◼   ► you are probably way overdue for needing someone to help you with something.

00:31:19 ◼   ► But I'm really happy that you have moved so quickly on this mic and I am really interested

00:31:25 ◼   ► to see how this goes for you over the next few weeks.

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00:33:50 ◼   ► So Myke, you know I'm a subscriber to your vlog.

00:33:56 ◼   ► And I'm always wondering where those episodes are.

00:34:00 ◼   ► On the schedule.

00:34:01 ◼   ► Yes, on the schedule.

00:34:02 ◼   ► Schedules are very important to me as a listener.

00:34:06 ◼   ► And a viewer.

00:34:07 ◼   ► No, I only listen to your videos.

00:34:08 ◼   ► I don't watch them.

00:34:10 ◼   ► And I only watch the podcasts on YouTube.

00:34:13 ◼   ► I put the podcast on and then I put mute on.

00:34:14 ◼   ► That's how that works.

00:34:15 ◼   ► But, okay, so there's no schedule already.

00:34:19 ◼   ► This is a thing.

00:34:20 ◼   ► But then recently, your most recent video that came out, total format change.

00:34:26 ◼   ► Yep.

00:34:27 ◼   ► Total complete format change.

00:34:29 ◼   ► Not a vlog.

00:34:30 ◼   ► Not a vlog.

00:34:31 ◼   ► Not a vlog at all.

00:34:32 ◼   ► You, you sir, were not even on camera for the entire video.

00:34:37 ◼   ► That was a choice.

00:34:38 ◼   ► So I made a video about the Nintendo Switch.

00:34:41 ◼   ► You did?

00:34:42 ◼   ► Which is something that I was very excited about.

00:34:45 ◼   ► And I spent a couple of days when I received the console, obviously playing it and making

00:34:50 ◼   ► a video about it as well.

00:34:52 ◼   ► And a decision that I made from the beginning is that I would not be talking into the camera

00:34:57 ◼   ► during the video.

00:34:59 ◼   ► And that made it way harder because I had to shoot enough footage to fill my audio.

00:35:07 ◼   ► it was a constraint that I set for myself to try and flex my muscles in making a video

00:35:16 ◼   ► in this way. So like a video about a piece of technology. And I figured that the further

00:35:23 ◼   ► away I took it from being a vlog, the better, just to put myself through that exercise.

00:35:29 ◼   ► Like in the future, when I make videos like this, I will probably have sections where

00:35:33 ◼   ► I'm also talking to the camera because honestly it made it harder than it should have been to put this video together

00:35:40 ◼   ► but I'm still pleased about the decision that I made because it forced my hand in a bunch of ways to like be

00:35:47 ◼   ► really heavy handed with cutting the audio down that I'd recorded and

00:35:53 ◼   ► Also into working out ways to stretch out the product footage that I had

00:35:58 ◼   ► To try out some some different ways of recording things

00:36:02 ◼   ► I'm pleased about the way that that went

00:36:04 ◼   ► that I had this idea as a way to push myself and to try and learn some new skills and I think I learned some

00:36:11 ◼   ► new stuff and

00:36:13 ◼   ► Having completed the video. I think I've learned more about what I would want to do next time, right?

00:36:18 ◼   ► Which is normal

00:36:19 ◼   ► so there are a bunch of things that I wasn't happy with and I've since kind of got feedback from

00:36:25 ◼   ► Viewers and from friends who make this sort of stuff about how to make those things smoother or and better for the future

00:36:32 ◼   ► Mm-hmm, but what I wanted to talk about today in regards to this video

00:36:37 ◼   ► is

00:36:39 ◼   ► About when something's good enough

00:36:41 ◼   ► So I had a real clear vision in my mind for how this video would look

00:36:49 ◼   ► Mm-hmm, and it was a vision. I never could have achieved with this video

00:36:54 ◼   ► Right because I watch a lot of these sort of tech

00:36:58 ◼   ► Youtubers right like I have like MKBHD and Austin Evans

00:37:02 ◼   ► They're like who I consider to be the best at this stuff of everybody that I watch and in my mind. I'm like I

00:37:09 ◼   ► Want to make a video it looks like this right? I knew I couldn't do this, right? Mm-hmm

00:37:15 ◼   ► I I wasn't fooling myself

00:37:17 ◼   ► Right. They have a lot of experience

00:37:20 ◼   ► They're very good at what they do. They have all of the knowledge and the technology all built up

00:37:25 ◼   ► But that was in my mind. I'm going for that style

00:37:29 ◼   ► That's the end game if I want to make stuff that's like this now as well

00:37:33 ◼   ► Mm-hmm

00:37:34 ◼   ► I had an idea in my mind for what I wanted it to be and then I had an idea

00:37:38 ◼   ► For what? I felt like I could achieve

00:37:41 ◼   ► So it's like I was being realistic with myself and kind of setting a bar lower

00:37:46 ◼   ► Alright, so you're already saying I'm doing a format switch. Here's a thing that I want to aim for.

00:37:53 ◼   ► I'd love for it to be an 8K resolution, but we're not going to start there.

00:37:58 ◼   ► Nope.

00:37:59 ◼   ► So you're knocking it down and you're saying, alright, here's what I think I can achieve that is in this genre.

00:38:08 ◼   ► That's the actual starting point that you're going for.

00:38:11 ◼   ► for.

00:38:12 ◼   ► Yeah, like this is the bar of quality that I think I could maybe get, right?

00:38:17 ◼   ► Now I think that I probably only got about 60 or 70 percent to that point.

00:38:25 ◼   ► To the revised starting point.

00:38:26 ◼   ► To the revised goal, right?

00:38:30 ◼   ► And it's because it's really difficult to do this sort of stuff.

00:38:34 ◼   ► It's really difficult for me to try and achieve some shots without the right equipment.

00:38:42 ◼   ► Because a lot of the stuff where you see like, you know, like the camera moving around the

00:38:46 ◼   ► device, like I have some little bits that I'd purchased, but they weren't the optimum

00:38:51 ◼   ► solution so they would provide not as good a look, right?

00:38:56 ◼   ► And also the camera that I'm using is like a point and shoot camera, right?

00:39:00 ◼   ► Like it's not a red.

00:39:01 ◼   ► Yeah, exactly.

00:39:02 ◼   ► You know, so like there are things where like I wasn't aware

00:39:05 ◼   ► That there was some stuff that I wouldn't be able to do with the equipment that I had right just at all

00:39:11 ◼   ► Like I thought that maybe I could try and fake some stuff, but that didn't really work out

00:39:15 ◼   ► No, this is this is the thing that I think is just so interesting and is and also is the

00:39:21 ◼   ► put it but like like we're we we're always saying

00:39:24 ◼   ► People should just start like if you want to make a podcast or if you want to make YouTube videos

00:39:29 ◼   ► Like there's no barrier here, like just get started, right? Just try.

00:39:32 ◼   ► But I think this is...

00:39:34 ◼   ► There's this interesting flip side which is that

00:39:37 ◼   ► while that is easy to say,

00:39:39 ◼   ► most of these things that look like they are easy to produce,

00:39:44 ◼   ► you just don't realize how much is involved behind the scenes.

00:39:50 ◼   ► And I think it's because like...

00:39:53 ◼   ► Like if I'm watching a review of a tech product,

00:39:57 ◼   ► Probably because I'm in this world, but there is a part of my brain that is always

00:40:00 ◼   ► cycling in the back like thinking of all of the shots like look at all of these different locations that they're shooting this product in

00:40:07 ◼   ► Look at all of these different cuts like every single one of these had to be a cut that was or shot that was set

00:40:12 ◼   ► up and for everything that was set up they probably discarded a whole bunch of other stuff and

00:40:16 ◼   ► then there's also the thing that falls into the world of the things you don't realize and

00:40:23 ◼   ► This is like what you're saying like, oh someone has a smooth moving around the product shot and you think how hard can that be?

00:40:29 ◼   ► And the answer is without the right equipment that shot is impossible

00:40:34 ◼   ► like you can't you can't fake it and it will just it will

00:40:37 ◼   ► look all wrong on camera because you don't have the machine that's able to twirl the camera around a

00:40:44 ◼   ► Fixed point in a smooth motion and it turns out like there's no faking that you can't possibly get around it

00:40:49 ◼   ► But like to go back to that original the original point that we made a long time ago that you can make this stuff without the

00:40:56 ◼   ► Technology that's still true, but just don't try and do what I tried to do

00:41:00 ◼   ► Yeah, right don't say I'm not gonna be on camera because it I would have been able to make this video

00:41:05 ◼   ► I think all in all look better like the overall look at the video would have been better if I would have taken out some

00:41:12 ◼   ► Of the stuff that didn't work like it got to a certain point where it's like this is as much as I can give

00:41:17 ◼   ► Right. Yeah, and yeah, and what you were saying I think is also very important is to

00:41:22 ◼   ► understand and

00:41:25 ◼   ► work with the limitations that you have. Like if you're doing a vlog

00:41:31 ◼   ► you shouldn't be aiming for like the thing that I produce is going to look like a Casey Neistat video, right, with

00:41:39 ◼   ► super professional drone footage and

00:41:42 ◼   ► fancy time lapses and all the rest of that, but there's still a whole universe of

00:41:47 ◼   ► of vlog stuff that can be done that can be interesting within different constraints.

00:41:52 ◼   ► And it's just to be aware of what equipment do I have and what is something that can be done within this universe of equipment.

00:42:00 ◼   ► That's a very different thing.

00:42:02 ◼   ► And it's easy to not be aware of how hard it is to get some super professional looking stuff.

00:42:09 ◼   ► Like, I think we've discussed this before, but I'm always amazed by people just not

00:42:13 ◼   ► noticing how much work can go into producing something that's super high quality.

00:42:19 ◼   ► But that doesn't mean that if you can't hit that mark, you shouldn't try,

00:42:25 ◼   ► but just be aware of the limitations of the equipment that you have,

00:42:28 ◼   ► and that maybe some things that are in your mind that you want to do,

00:42:32 ◼   ► you can't do yet, but you can still create something else that just looks different.

00:42:39 ◼   ► So I feel like I ended up getting like 60% of the way there right like that's kind of where I think I got to

00:42:44 ◼   ► and

00:42:46 ◼   ► I

00:42:47 ◼   ► Then started reshoot in some stuff. Mm-hmm perfecting some stuff spending more time on things

00:42:53 ◼   ► Reading about things. I didn't know how to do in final cut so I could try and make this thing look good

00:43:00 ◼   ► Right, and then I would be like, oh but now that shots out of focus because little did I know that turning off

00:43:07 ◼   ► autofocus is good when you're trying to shoot technology. And then it's like, how do you

00:43:11 ◼   ► stop getting screen reflections so you don't see the camera in the screen of the technology

00:43:17 ◼   ► device?

00:43:18 ◼   ► Surprising hard, yeah.

00:43:21 ◼   ► So going back and trying to fix this and trying to fix that. And I got to the point where

00:43:26 ◼   ► I'm like, this product came out X amount of days ago. There were already reviews about

00:43:31 ◼   ► this all over the internet. I'm not trying to make something that's going to get me millions

00:43:36 ◼   ► of views but I don't want to put something out in a month. There has to be a cut off point here

00:43:42 ◼   ► and over the weekend, the weekend has passed, the product came out on Friday, the weekend was gone

00:43:48 ◼   ► and then by Tuesday I'm like I've got to put this thing out because it's going to get to the point

00:43:54 ◼   ► where it's just going to be old and boring because the audio I recorded was after my first day or two

00:44:00 ◼   ► with the device. So all of my thoughts are just like first impression thoughts which is all they

00:44:05 ◼   ► they were ever going to be. That was the plan for the video.

00:44:07 ◼   ► But I can't put that out a week late.

00:44:10 ◼   ► Exactly. You can't do a first impression too long after the device comes out.

00:44:14 ◼   ► You want to hit this for it is relevant for your audience.

00:44:18 ◼   ► Because I mean, yeah, I could have if I wanted to, but the plan was always to

00:44:22 ◼   ► review this thing over a month and then make a video that is like a month in with

00:44:27 ◼   ► the switch. Then that's one thing.

00:44:29 ◼   ► But that wasn't the video that I was making.

00:44:31 ◼   ► It was a here is my initial review of this product after a couple of days of it.

00:44:35 ◼   ► So I had to put it out.

00:44:36 ◼   ► But I didn't think it was good enough.

00:44:39 ◼   ► It wasn't what I wanted it to be.

00:44:42 ◼   ► And that was really difficult for me because I had this idea in my mind, I

00:44:48 ◼   ► didn't feel like I'd made it.

00:44:49 ◼   ► And I was just dreading the thought of people seeing it and seeing what I could

00:44:55 ◼   ► see. All of the faults, because I was trying something new.

00:45:01 ◼   ► I was trying to like break out of my

00:45:04 ◼   ► comfort zone with the videos that I've

00:45:06 ◼   ► been making because this is a type

00:45:08 ◼   ► of video I also want to make.

00:45:10 ◼   ► Like, I want to still make the vlog

00:45:12 ◼   ► style stuff, but I do want to make

00:45:13 ◼   ► these product review videos because

00:45:15 ◼   ► they're the two types of YouTube

00:45:17 ◼   ► videos that I really enjoy watching.

00:45:19 ◼   ► So I want to make them too.

00:45:21 ◼   ► Right.

00:45:22 ◼   ► But I was like, if I put this out and

00:45:24 ◼   ► everyone sees how bad it is,

00:45:26 ◼   ► does that mean I'm never going to do

00:45:28 ◼   ► this again?

00:45:29 ◼   ► Right. And this was this thing that

00:45:31 ◼   ► was just going around and around in my head.

00:45:33 ◼   ► And everyone I was showing it to was being nice about it,

00:45:37 ◼   ► but of course they're gonna be nice about it

00:45:39 ◼   ► because they're my friends.

00:45:40 ◼   ► I showed it to you and you were nice about it,

00:45:43 ◼   ► which made me feel better

00:45:44 ◼   ► because I know you'd tell me if it was bad.

00:45:46 ◼   ► But I--

00:45:47 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:45:49 ◼   ► - I like the way you started that sentence,

00:45:51 ◼   ► it was like I was showing it to you

00:45:53 ◼   ► and you said it was nice and that's good

00:45:55 ◼   ► because you're not my friend and you would be mean

00:45:57 ◼   ► if it was necessary.

00:45:58 ◼   ► Like that's the way it sounded like it was going.

00:46:00 ◼   ► You're just some dude that I work with.

00:46:02 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:46:04 ◼   ► This is actually the only time we ever talk to each other.

00:46:06 ◼   ► Even then, like, I know that you would tell me if it was bad, but you might just still be like not giving me the whole thing, right?

00:46:14 ◼   ► Like you're just saying that this is good, but you can still see what I can see.

00:46:19 ◼   ► And I was really struggling with this, like really struggling with it.

00:46:22 ◼   ► Like, I haven't felt this way about something in a long time because like, if I have a new podcast, like if I'm working on a new show.

00:46:30 ◼   ► there is an element of it that I always know in which it's good, right?

00:46:34 ◼   ► Because there's things that I can judge which are fine, right?

00:46:38 ◼   ► Like audio quality, production value, like all of that stuff,

00:46:42 ◼   ► I've got that stuff. Like I know how to do that,

00:46:46 ◼   ► and then it's the content. But this was everything. Like, is my content

00:46:50 ◼   ► any good? Do people care about the opinion that I have? And then also, is the

00:46:54 ◼   ► quality of this video even worth putting out? And I was

00:46:58 ◼   ► really struggling with it. But I did put it out because it was it was like a do or die

00:47:04 ◼   ► moment. I either put this out now or I don't do it at all. But I've been talking for like

00:47:09 ◼   ► a month about the fact that I'm going to make this video. So I kind of had to do it. So

00:47:14 ◼   ► I put it out and the video has been received very well. People have been very complimentary

00:47:21 ◼   ► about and lots of people said about how good it looks, which has made me feel good. There

00:47:25 ◼   ► There were a couple of people that totally picked out the points that were wrong and

00:47:29 ◼   ► many of those people gave me good feedback, right?

00:47:33 ◼   ► Like feedback that I'm really pleased that I got because I'm still mostly within the

00:47:38 ◼   ► people were nice to me on YouTube phase.

00:47:40 ◼   ► Right, right.

00:47:41 ◼   ► Mostly, which is good.

00:47:43 ◼   ► This video I noticed did get into the… it must have gotten into the recommended for

00:47:47 ◼   ► some people because like some of the comments changed.

00:47:51 ◼   ► there were people that were referring to me as him as opposed to you or Myke.

00:47:57 ◼   ► Right, yeah, like we've said that that's the big difference when you know things are getting very

00:48:01 ◼   ► popular. This tech reviewer dude, right, who must make these things all the time, this video that

00:48:07 ◼   ► I'm watching, yeah. So, you know, it was it was an enlightening experience. I still don't know why

00:48:13 ◼   ► I didn't get completely panned for it because I just in my mind this video just it just isn't what

00:48:20 ◼   ► I wanted it to be. But it got to a certain point where I was like, it just has to go

00:48:24 ◼   ► out there and I've learned a bunch. A lot of the stuff that I've learned, I don't think

00:48:28 ◼   ► I'll still be able to do most of it. You know, like, it's like, okay, I know this thing now,

00:48:33 ◼   ► but I still don't know how to do it. Like, I know how to fix it, but I can't fix it.

00:48:36 ◼   ► Right? Does that make sense? Right? Like, there's a thing that I know will make this

00:48:40 ◼   ► thing better. Someone has told me, I understand what they're saying, but I don't know how

00:48:44 ◼   ► to do it still.

00:48:45 ◼   ► There's several things here, right? It sounds like that part that you're talking about is

00:48:49 ◼   ► is just a pure technical skill.

00:48:52 ◼   ► Alright, like, I think the video is really good.

00:48:55 ◼   ► And I think it is very impressive, especially considering that it is the first kind of video that you have ever done like this.

00:49:01 ◼   ► Right?

00:49:02 ◼   ► There are some shots where I can look at it and say like, "Oh, that shot is overexposed."

00:49:07 ◼   ► But this is the kind of stuff that like, nobody cares.

00:49:10 ◼   ► Right?

00:49:10 ◼   ► It's...

00:49:12 ◼   ► Nobody watching those videos notices or really cares about those things.

00:49:16 ◼   ► But you as the person making it are aware of two things.

00:49:20 ◼   ► You're hyper-aware of any of the little problems,

00:49:24 ◼   ► like an overexposed shot or something out of focus,

00:49:27 ◼   ► in a way that nobody who's watching the thing will ever notice in a thousand years.

00:49:30 ◼   ► And just like you're saying this whole time,

00:49:33 ◼   ► you're also extra sensitive because in your mind you have the idea of what the thing was supposed to be,

00:49:39 ◼   ► and then there's the actual thing that you have created.

00:49:42 ◼   ► Right? And...

00:49:43 ◼   ► I mean, I don't know about you, but I feel like I have never put

00:49:47 ◼   ► anything on the internet that I felt like, yeah, that was that's what I was going for. Right?

00:49:53 ◼   ► Nailed it!

00:49:54 ◼   ► Yeah, right?

00:49:56 ◼   ► It's like even when I reference this, like the video that for me was the easiest and the closest ever was my Netherlands video, like

00:50:02 ◼   ► that is the the closest I've ever come to like having an idea and executing it.

00:50:06 ◼   ► But even that's not not perfect. Like there's mistakes in that thing.

00:50:11 ◼   ► There's shots that I don't like and this is also why I very rarely

00:50:15 ◼   ► very rarely watch stuff after I put it up, right? Or

00:50:20 ◼   ► listen to podcasts after the editing phase because

00:50:24 ◼   ► all I'm aware of is like, "Oh, that conversation didn't go the way it was supposed to in my head."

00:50:30 ◼   ► "I didn't hit any of the points that I wanted to hit." Or you watch a video and you feel like, "Oh, look at this."

00:50:35 ◼   ► "Look at this parade of failures, right? That I had all these things I wanted to do."

00:50:39 ◼   ► And I was only able to do 60% of them. I think that's just naturally part of

00:50:44 ◼   ► It's naturally just part of the creation process

00:50:46 ◼   ► So you still feel that way with your YouTube videos then that was what I wondered like I wondered if if this gets you

00:50:53 ◼   ► - oh, yeah. Oh, yeah without a doubt like it definitely does I feel that way with podcasts

00:50:59 ◼   ► I feel that way with videos, you know like

00:51:01 ◼   ► The rules for rulers video, you know

00:51:04 ◼   ► My last real video that I put out like, you know

00:51:06 ◼   ► I haven't watched that since it went up because I remember even the last couple times when I'm watching it

00:51:11 ◼   ► after it goes live just to make sure everything's fine, you know, looking at it like

00:51:14 ◼   ► Oh, look, look at all of these missed opportunities, right? All over the place. Things

00:51:19 ◼   ► I didn't do, ideas that I wanted to, points that I don't feel like I explained very well. Yeah, of course

00:51:24 ◼   ► I really feel like this is just naturally

00:51:26 ◼   ► Naturally part of the part of the process

00:51:30 ◼   ► This is funny like because usually I think one of the things that we try to do on this show is to talk about something

00:51:36 ◼   ► And then offer some advice right like this is how you can maybe try and make this thing better

00:51:41 ◼   ► But like this is one of those times where I don't think there is any

00:51:44 ◼   ► Right, like there is no advice really like it's just this is I feel like this is just a thing

00:51:49 ◼   ► That people that make stuff no matter what it is

00:51:53 ◼   ► They go through

00:51:55 ◼   ► And that's just kind of it really like we go through it

00:51:59 ◼   ► Yeah, there's no I don't think there's a way to fix it. No it gets easier with time right because you know over time

00:52:07 ◼   ► I will get to 65% of the way because I will get better so there will be things that I'll do which will become easier

00:52:13 ◼   ► I feel like you're very optimistic about the progress of that logarithmic curve. I mean that's gonna be a very long time

00:52:18 ◼   ► Right, but like I'll get the sixty and a half percent. Yeah, that's nice

00:52:23 ◼   ► Yeah

00:52:23 ◼   ► That's kind of what happens because the problem is as your skills increase your vision increases faster, right?

00:52:29 ◼   ► So it's like oh actually I think I could do even more

00:52:31 ◼   ► So maybe it even goes down. I go I've achieved 50% of what I wanted to right like

00:52:36 ◼   ► I think one of the things that has made it easy with me over time with podcast editing

00:52:40 ◼   ► Mm-hmm. I've gotten better at hiding things

00:52:43 ◼   ► Mm-hmm. So like as I've learned how to do stuff more I've worked out some little tricks

00:52:49 ◼   ► You know a way to hide something or a way to move around something or a way to like take attention away from like what?

00:52:56 ◼   ► Is actually occurring right as a way to?

00:52:58 ◼   ► Cover up the thing that was wrong that you can't fix

00:53:02 ◼   ► Right. Mm-hmm

00:53:03 ◼   ► And I think that once you get to that stage you become more comfortable or at least I feel like that

00:53:09 ◼   ► But you know every and so like I think that with most of the stuff that I do which is like business as usual

00:53:15 ◼   ► I'm okay with putting it out there, right? But it's when I do something completely new like this switch video

00:53:22 ◼   ► It's it's trickier

00:53:24 ◼   ► Like I don't feel this way so much with all of the vlog episodes that I do

00:53:28 ◼   ► Like I feel like I maybe feel like about it with like certain segments, you know

00:53:34 ◼   ► Well, I'm like this was a new thing that I tried and it didn't go as well as I wanted

00:53:38 ◼   ► But like I felt that way when I was first doing it as you know

00:53:41 ◼   ► like I spoke about it on the show just like my dread at letting the world see these things

00:53:45 ◼   ► that I've made. But I kind of gotten to the point where I was comfortable enough to turn

00:53:50 ◼   ► the camera on and felt like I could kind of achieve something that I was looking for,

00:53:53 ◼   ► which was another reason why I decided to make this video such a drastic departure,

00:53:59 ◼   ► knowing that there would be a certain element of doubt that I will put on myself. But I

00:54:03 ◼   ► feel like that, yeah, it's part of the creation process. And it gets easier in certain ways.

00:54:09 ◼   ► like very rightly as you said, it also then gets hard again in new ways.

00:54:12 ◼   ► And you also have the problem like with this particular project that

00:54:18 ◼   ► all of this is,

00:54:20 ◼   ► all of these feelings are heightened because it is something new.

00:54:24 ◼   ► And so you have a much greater level of uncertainty about how is it going to be

00:54:28 ◼   ► received, right? That it's like, you know, you, you made whatever it is,

00:54:33 ◼   ► six episodes of a vlog before this thing went out.

00:54:36 ◼   ► And so you had some some sense by episode six of how are people probably going to receive a vlog episode, but then

00:54:43 ◼   ► changing it up

00:54:44 ◼   ► You never know

00:54:45 ◼   ► how people are going to take that and that's that's kind of why I was giving you like a little bit of a pretend hard time

00:54:50 ◼   ► in the opening like oh my god, you did something different in your vlog because I

00:54:54 ◼   ► Feel very strongly about this that there is this real

00:54:59 ◼   ► Tension between the audience and the creator when it comes to new things

00:55:05 ◼   ► Mm-hmm.

00:55:06 ◼   ► That I think it is vitally important for the creators to do and try new things.

00:55:15 ◼   ► Like this is one of the reasons why I'm very, very intent on not having a particular topic for my YouTube channel.

00:55:24 ◼   ► Because it's like, I'm gonna be doing videos on things that interest me, and this isn't...

00:55:29 ◼   ► There isn't an expectation of what is the topic always going to be.

00:55:34 ◼   ► or looking through the back catalogue, like some of my videos are very different from other ones

00:55:38 ◼   ► and I think that's a very...

00:55:40 ◼   ► that's an intentional thing, like I think it is important for creators to do things differently

00:55:48 ◼   ► but if you generate any kind of audience

00:55:53 ◼   ► you have that audience because people like the thing that you do

00:55:57 ◼   ► and so they want more of the same thing always

00:56:01 ◼   ► and for you as a creator that might not be what you want to do.

00:56:06 ◼   ► And I think of course like the most high level public version of this that's happening right now is like PewDiePie.

00:56:14 ◼   ► Like his content has really changed over the past years and it is very obvious that there is like a conflict between people who like the old stuff

00:56:25 ◼   ► and his desire as a creator to make new things that are different.

00:56:31 ◼   ► And everybody goes through this in one form or another, but I think it's...

00:56:36 ◼   ► it really is important to try and do different things as a creator.

00:56:43 ◼   ► But it always puts you on edge because you know, like,

00:56:46 ◼   ► "This might go really poorly with my pre-existing audience!"

00:56:49 ◼   ► But it's like, gotta plow ahead anyway.

00:56:51 ◼   ► And you can see this just...

00:56:53 ◼   ► this pattern of creators doing things that are different from what their audience wants.

00:56:58 ◼   ► Like, you see this repeat over and over again.

00:57:01 ◼   ► Even in the music industry, it's the same thing.

00:57:02 ◼   ► Like, a band will do a thing and they get a huge audience,

00:57:06 ◼   ► and you see, like, that band in their next album wants to do something

00:57:10 ◼   ► that's very different from what they did previously, and their audience might not like it.

00:57:14 ◼   ► It's not what I signed up for.

00:57:15 ◼   ► Yeah, exactly.

00:57:16 ◼   ► Like, you did a thing that I liked.

00:57:18 ◼   ► Do that forever.

00:57:20 ◼   ► Do that until the end of time.

00:57:22 ◼   ► But that's just not how it works if you're in any kind of creative field.

00:57:26 ◼   ► Will Barron Yeah, I was definitely thinking about this.

00:57:30 ◼   ► And the conclusion that I came to is that I was early enough along in the process

00:57:34 ◼   ► that it wouldn't be terrible. And it was also one of the reasons that, for people that are watching

00:57:41 ◼   ► every video, I tried to make it very clear that I was going to do this. So it gave people an

00:57:51 ◼   ► an expectation of it.

00:57:52 ◼   ► And I'm gonna definitely do some of your original stuff.

00:57:58 ◼   ► My next video will probably,

00:58:00 ◼   ► well, my next video will be a more travel-focused vlog again

00:58:04 ◼   ► because I'm traveling a bunch in April.

00:58:07 ◼   ► But my next one after that will probably be,

00:58:11 ◼   ► or if things go the way that I want,

00:58:14 ◼   ► a review of the new iPad.

00:58:16 ◼   ► - We'll keep our fingers crossed.

00:58:17 ◼   ► - Yeah, I know, right?

00:58:19 ◼   ► - Oh, God.

00:58:20 ◼   ► Please, come on.

00:58:21 ◼   ► Unhappy times for everyone in the Apple

00:58:25 ◼   ► world, no matter what you like.

00:58:26 ◼   ► Fingers crossed for iPad, maybe,

00:58:29 ◼   ► ever?

00:58:30 ◼   ► Anything.

00:58:33 ◼   ► And now I'm hoping that like as time

00:58:34 ◼   ► goes on, then that's what people

00:58:35 ◼   ► expect, right?

00:58:36 ◼   ► That they expect a mix of these

00:58:38 ◼   ► things.

00:58:39 ◼   ► But right now, I still feel like

00:58:41 ◼   ► there is an element of me making

00:58:42 ◼   ► these videos for me.

00:58:43 ◼   ► And that people are sharing

00:58:46 ◼   ► in that.

00:58:47 ◼   ► But eventually, if things

00:58:49 ◼   ► go the way that I would like them to, I do lose a bit of that control and I understand

00:58:55 ◼   ► that. You have to respect the audience, you know, and I think that there is a tightrope

00:59:01 ◼   ► to walk through that, of being able to express yourself creatively in the way that you want

00:59:08 ◼   ► to, but also giving the people that are deciding to spend their time with you the thing that

00:59:13 ◼   ► they want as well.

00:59:14 ◼   ► Yeah, it's definitely a delicate balancing act and you are totally right that in the beginning life cycle of your YouTube channel or any creative project,

00:59:24 ◼   ► you are more free to go all over the place and as the audience grows, that feeling of constraint can definitely get stronger.

00:59:34 ◼   ► I also think that it's still important to be able to feel like you can do something different

00:59:40 ◼   ► Instead of feeling like you're you're trapped in the exact same same thing

00:59:44 ◼   ► Well, isn't that what your second channels for right? Like isn't that what they exist, right?

00:59:48 ◼   ► That's part of yeah

00:59:50 ◼   ► The second channel is so I can put up just garbage that took a minute to do but that I just think is funny for some

00:59:56 ◼   ► Reason. Yeah, that's like

00:59:57 ◼   ► But but it definitely is the case that it's kind of like a weird outlet of like I'm just gonna put up

01:00:03 ◼   ► Whatever. Again, it doesn't even matter on the second channel in a way that I would never do on the first channel. Yeah.

01:00:09 ◼   ► So just out of curiosity, Myke, do you have any idea how long this vlog took you? Did you do time tracking on this one?

01:00:17 ◼   ► Again, this isn't a vlog! Great. This was a tech product review. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to use the wrong terminology.

01:00:26 ◼   ► For your tech product review, do you have any idea how long it took you? Yeah, I do.

01:00:32 ◼   ► It took me nine and a half hours.

01:00:36 ◼   ► - Oh, that's pretty good.

01:00:38 ◼   ► It's pretty good.

01:00:39 ◼   ► - Well, that was just the time that I tracked.

01:00:41 ◼   ► I know there was some time that I didn't track.

01:00:43 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:00:44 ◼   ► - I still think that's pretty good,

01:00:46 ◼   ► but I also bet for anybody

01:00:47 ◼   ► who has not ever made a YouTube video,

01:00:50 ◼   ► that seems like an astounding amount of time

01:00:53 ◼   ► for a final product that is 10 minutes and 37 seconds long.

01:00:57 ◼   ► What's the multiple on that, right?

01:01:00 ◼   ► Like it takes out twice as long to edit a podcast

01:01:02 ◼   ► it does to record. I was like, okay, well, for producing a video where you're not on

01:01:07 ◼   ► screen, where you have to put something on screen for every minute, you have a ratio

01:01:12 ◼   ► of nine hours to ten minutes. Brutal.

01:01:16 ◼   ► It's tough. It's a lot of time. Worth it, but a lot of time.

01:01:21 ◼   ► Yeah, I think it was worth it. It was interesting to see you do something else. And I look forward

01:01:25 ◼   ► to your future vlogs. I mean, tech product reviews. Tech product reviews. Not vlogs.

01:01:33 ◼   ► Not vlogs at all. I look forward to your future history videos.

01:01:37 ◼   ► Thank you. Have I ever made a history video? I don't think so.

01:01:39 ◼   ► I don't know, but I think that's what people think you make.

01:01:42 ◼   ► That and science videos. That's my other favorite one. People go like, "Oh, he's a science channel."

01:01:45 ◼   ► Like, which video is that? History and science. Isn't that the tagline

01:01:49 ◼   ► for your channel? Yeah.

01:01:50 ◼   ► It's usually going to be great. All history, all science, all the time.

01:01:53 ◼   ► except when there's nothing.

01:01:55 ◼   ► All history, all science, none of the time.

01:01:58 ◼   ► Yes, I like that.

01:02:00 ◼   ► Oh, that's actually quite good.

01:02:03 ◼   ► I should change channel to that.

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01:03:07 ◼   ► The Nintendo Switch is freaking awesome by the way.

01:03:09 ◼   ► I love it so much.

01:03:10 ◼   ► I love it so much.

01:03:12 ◼   ► And all I want to do is play Zelda.

01:03:14 ◼   ► Like 100% of my time always.

01:03:15 ◼   ► When I'm not playing it, I'm thinking about it.

01:03:18 ◼   ► All of it is amazing.

01:03:21 ◼   ► I was thinking it would be the perfect games console

01:03:24 ◼   ► for a great vacation as well, you know?

01:03:26 ◼   ► - Yeah, but see, when I do a great vacation,

01:03:28 ◼   ► there's no computer games.

01:03:30 ◼   ► There's no computer games, there's no social media.

01:03:33 ◼   ► So it is not actually the perfect console for a great vacation

01:03:37 ◼   ► and it would be a nightmare console for a great vacation.

01:03:39 ◼   ► I wouldn't wanna bring it with me.

01:03:41 ◼   ► - Well, it's the perfect console for vacations.

01:03:43 ◼   ► - Right, oh, there we go.

01:03:44 ◼   ► That's different.

01:03:46 ◼   ► Does look cool.

01:03:48 ◼   ► Like I have to say, it looks super cool.

01:03:50 ◼   ► As far as consoles go, it is definitely

01:03:52 ◼   ► the console that has piqued my interest the most of anything

01:03:57 ◼   ► in like, I mean, the last 10 years, really.

01:04:02 ◼   ► Because I've just been a PC master race, brackets,

01:04:07 ◼   ► actually, iMac gamer for essentially all of that time.

01:04:11 ◼   ► But it looks awesome.

01:04:13 ◼   ► And I too have very fond memories of Nintendo from my childhood, so I do feel tempted.

01:04:18 ◼   ► I feel very tempted.

01:04:19 ◼   ► I'll convince you.

01:04:20 ◼   ► Okay.

01:04:21 ◼   ► I'm just gonna show you Zelda.

01:04:23 ◼   ► I just want you to see the majesty that is this Zelda game.

01:04:28 ◼   ► Because I'm not even- I'm not- Zelda was never really one of the properties that I played

01:04:34 ◼   ► very often, but this is just nothing like any Zelda game before.

01:04:39 ◼   ► It's astounding.

01:04:42 ◼   ► It really is just unbelievable.

01:04:44 ◼   ► - So I guess this podcast is just interrupting

01:04:46 ◼   ► your Zelda time, is that what's happening?

01:04:48 ◼   ► - Everything is.

01:04:49 ◼   ► - Poor Myke.

01:04:51 ◼   ► What happens when you get obsessed with the game?

01:04:53 ◼   ► - Mm-hmm.

01:04:54 ◼   ► - Your whole life is just an obstacle in the way

01:04:57 ◼   ► of playing the game.

01:04:58 ◼   ► - Do you know what I'm living in fear of right now though?

01:05:01 ◼   ► - What?

01:05:01 ◼   ► - The moment where I stop.

01:05:03 ◼   ► - You mean when you win?

01:05:04 ◼   ► - No, the moment where I, we both suffer from this.

01:05:08 ◼   ► where you're playing a video game

01:05:10 ◼   ► and then you just immediately lose all interest

01:05:14 ◼   ► in the video game.

01:05:15 ◼   ► - Oh, okay, you have this too?

01:05:16 ◼   ► Okay, I actually don't think we've discussed this,

01:05:18 ◼   ► but I didn't, okay, so you have this fielding too.

01:05:20 ◼   ► People either get this or they don't, all right.

01:05:22 ◼   ► - So like I am like every day playing a game,

01:05:25 ◼   ► thinking about it, like it is consuming me,

01:05:28 ◼   ► and then all of a sudden, stops.

01:05:31 ◼   ► It completely just stops.

01:05:32 ◼   ► Sometimes, especially with iPhone games,

01:05:35 ◼   ► it's like I went on a trip

01:05:37 ◼   ► and didn't play it on the trip and then just decided never to play it again.

01:05:40 ◼   ► It just pops out of my head and I'm just like, "Yeah, I'm not interested anymore."

01:05:44 ◼   ► And for some reason, like I know this is going to happen with Zelda, but I don't want it

01:05:48 ◼   ► to.

01:05:49 ◼   ► I want to finish it.

01:05:51 ◼   ► And I'm concerned I won't finish it.

01:05:54 ◼   ► And I just need to keep plowing ahead.

01:05:57 ◼   ► I feel like I've got to get it done before Mario Kart, right?

01:06:00 ◼   ► So I've got about a month.

01:06:02 ◼   ► Okay.

01:06:03 ◼   ► That's your deadline?

01:06:04 ◼   ► Yeah, before Mario Kart.

01:06:07 ◼   ► Mario Kart on the Switch. It's getting even more tempting.

01:06:09 ◼   ► Yup. Getting even more tempting.

01:06:11 ◼   ► It's gonna be great.

01:06:13 ◼   ► How many hours of my childhood did I pour into Mario Kart? All of them.

01:06:16 ◼   ► Yup, get ready. It's coming.

01:06:19 ◼   ► I want to do something we haven't done in a while, Gray.

01:06:23 ◼   ► Yeah?

01:06:24 ◼   ► Care Techs.

01:06:25 ◼   ► No.

01:06:26 ◼   ► Where we take it-

01:06:27 ◼   ► Care Tech.

01:06:28 ◼   ► No. No.

01:06:29 ◼   ► What?

01:06:30 ◼   ► We're not doing this again.

01:06:31 ◼   ► What are you talking about?

01:06:32 ◼   ► It's Care Techs.

01:06:33 ◼   ► Yeah, Care Tech.

01:06:34 ◼   ► Oh my god.

01:06:35 ◼   ► Andrew asked, this is a question that we received from a bunch of different people written in

01:06:42 ◼   ► a bunch of different ways, but Andrew put it into one sentence.

01:06:47 ◼   ► How long should you make no money on a side project before you know it's time to move

01:06:52 ◼   ► on?

01:06:54 ◼   ► Ooh.

01:06:56 ◼   ► Now, I want to just like straight up say, and just get this out of the way, this is

01:07:03 ◼   ► obviously different for every single type of side project, right? So there is not a

01:07:08 ◼   ► fixed timeline, I think. I don't think the answer to this is actually calendar time.

01:07:17 ◼   ► Okay. I think the answer is something else.

01:07:20 ◼   ► I'm gonna say six months. I'm gonna put a calendar date on it.

01:07:24 ◼   ► Alright, great. How long were you making YouTube videos before you quit your teaching job?

01:07:29 ◼   ► Okay, well, alright Myke, it depends on what you're talking about.

01:07:32 ◼   ► [laughter]

01:07:33 ◼   ► See, that's what I just said!

01:07:34 ◼   ► [laughter]

01:07:35 ◼   ► It's six months asterisk.

01:07:37 ◼   ► Well, yeah, I mean, part of it is that the YouTube videos,

01:07:42 ◼   ► it took me a long time to recognize, like,

01:07:44 ◼   ► "Oh, this is a thing that can even be a career."

01:07:46 ◼   ► As I constantly need to mention, because it's like the forgotten mists of time,

01:07:50 ◼   ► that YouTube was not really a thing that you made money on when I started it.

01:07:55 ◼   ► So I think that's a little bit different.

01:07:57 ◼   ► But that's the thing though, I think so many people's side projects start that way.

01:08:02 ◼   ► Like, here's a thing I want to do.

01:08:04 ◼   ► So you start doing the thing and then all of a sudden you're like, oh, hang on.

01:08:07 ◼   ► I love this more than any other thing.

01:08:10 ◼   ► At first, it was just a thing I wanted to try because I'm interested in it.

01:08:13 ◼   ► Like podcasting or YouTube or writing.

01:08:16 ◼   ► It's like, this is just a thing that I enjoy.

01:08:18 ◼   ► And then it's like, oh, I enjoy this so much.

01:08:22 ◼   ► I can't bear to do anything else.

01:08:24 ◼   ► Right.

01:08:24 ◼   ► And then maybe the clock starts ticking.

01:08:28 ◼   ► - I mean, I guess this is Myke.

01:08:30 ◼   ► Myke talks about how much he loves podcasting

01:08:32 ◼   ► and he's living his dream, right?

01:08:34 ◼   ► But there's like CGP Grey over here

01:08:37 ◼   ► who had a bunch of projects

01:08:39 ◼   ► that were all just cynical projects, right?

01:08:42 ◼   ► To escape from the working life, right?

01:08:44 ◼   ► That's-- - All right.

01:08:45 ◼   ► Let me say in your terms of like,

01:08:48 ◼   ► this is the thing I can bear more than anything else.

01:08:52 ◼   ► All right, does that make you feel better?

01:08:54 ◼   ► - Sure, whatever, whatever.

01:08:55 ◼   ► - But like there is a moment in which you decide,

01:09:00 ◼   ► I wanna do this thing, right?

01:09:02 ◼   ► No matter what reason it is you're deciding,

01:09:04 ◼   ► whether it's like the thing that takes the least time

01:09:07 ◼   ► or it's the thing that you're interested in the most,

01:09:09 ◼   ► whatever your reasons are, right?

01:09:11 ◼   ► But I think that even from that point,

01:09:16 ◼   ► I couldn't say to you,

01:09:19 ◼   ► you should then only take six months on it.

01:09:22 ◼   ► because that's not what I did.

01:09:25 ◼   ► I spent like another three years from that point.

01:09:29 ◼   ► But I still got there, right?

01:09:32 ◼   ► And again, I'm not saying like you should do that.

01:09:36 ◼   ► I would actually advise that most people don't do that.

01:09:40 ◼   ► Like take three years on it.

01:09:42 ◼   ► But I think it shouldn't be about time.

01:09:47 ◼   ► And I think that that's for me,

01:09:51 ◼   ► The only thing I can say is don't put it in a sense of pure time, but surrounding factors,

01:10:01 ◼   ► which could be health, which could be I don't have any friends anymore, or could be my spouse

01:10:09 ◼   ► wants to kill me.

01:10:12 ◼   ► And I'm making fun of all of those things, but they are all the things.

01:10:16 ◼   ► And it is a you need to keep going to the point in which you realize the sacrifice isn't

01:10:24 ◼   ► worth it anymore.

01:10:25 ◼   ► And it's like that's the worst advice to give.

01:10:29 ◼   ► Yeah, that's terrible advice.

01:10:31 ◼   ► But it's the only thing that I know because I don't think that there is a time frame.

01:10:36 ◼   ► Like you have to do it until there is another factor.

01:10:42 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:10:45 ◼   ► I like six months.

01:10:46 ◼   ► Right?

01:10:47 ◼   ► Because…

01:10:48 ◼   ► You would.

01:10:49 ◼   ► Alright, so in case anybody hadn't already realized that me and you are very different,

01:10:54 ◼   ► I think this is it, right?

01:10:55 ◼   ► Like I'm like, "until the passion in your belly is distinguished."

01:10:59 ◼   ► Yeah, Myke's all like, "do what you love and the money will follow."

01:11:03 ◼   ► And yeah, and it's look like because I think built into this question is there's an intent

01:11:10 ◼   ► in this question.

01:11:11 ◼   ► How long should you make little to no money with a side project before you know it's

01:11:13 ◼   ► time to move on, right?

01:11:14 ◼   ► There's an intent there, which is, "I have a side project, the purpose of which is to make some money."

01:11:19 ◼   ► Right? That's, I think that's embedded in this question.

01:11:21 ◼   ► If there's a thing that you love to do, right, that it puts rainbows into your brain,

01:11:27 ◼   ► and you love it above everything and it makes no money,

01:11:31 ◼   ► but you still want to keep doing it, like that's fine.

01:11:34 ◼   ► Everybody's got to have hobbies, right? I guess. Except me. I can't maintain any hobbies.

01:11:39 ◼   ► But, like that's what that is. That's a description of a hobby.

01:11:43 ◼   ► But this feels like a thing that's an intent with purpose.

01:11:47 ◼   ► And I guess I feel strongly about this because when I look on past idiot me,

01:11:52 ◼   ► who was trying to spin up his own thing,

01:11:54 ◼   ► I think this by far is one of the costliest mistakes that I made,

01:12:01 ◼   ► which was sticking with projects for way too long.

01:12:06 ◼   ► Right? Way too long.

01:12:09 ◼   ► Like, I think of some of the other stuff that I used to do, and it was like,

01:12:12 ◼   ► So I used to do this time management business thing like forever ago now like in the mists of time

01:12:17 ◼   ► and that was actually a side project that did make money but more importantly it was like

01:12:24 ◼   ► it never quite made enough for me to do it as a self-employed thing right to be on my own 100%

01:12:33 ◼   ► But I like, I just stuck with that for too long.

01:12:38 ◼   ► And it was a kind of mediocre success, like it's earning some money,

01:12:44 ◼   ► but I'm not like I'm not spinning this up into another thing.

01:12:47 ◼   ► And I still remember actually exactly where I was

01:12:53 ◼   ► when I made the decision that like, it's time to drop this.

01:12:57 ◼   ► Even though this project is making some money,

01:12:59 ◼   ► this is not going to be the thing you've been working on it too long.

01:13:03 ◼   ► And that was like one of the best decisions I ever made.

01:13:07 ◼   ► And there's some other projects like that where it's like,

01:13:09 ◼   ► "I worked on this thing for too long and I should have switched projects sooner."

01:13:13 ◼   ► So that's why I think like if your intent with a side project is to actually make money with it,

01:13:23 ◼   ► I think from everyone I know who has successfully transitioned to being like a self-employed on their own person,

01:13:31 ◼   ► their side project that was the thing that actually did it for them

01:13:36 ◼   ► made money relatively quickly and also scaled up relatively quickly.

01:13:44 ◼   ► It's not so much like a, "Oh, I was working on a thing for four years

01:13:49 ◼   ► and then suddenly one day it became the thing."

01:13:52 ◼   ► Like, I just don't really think that that happens.

01:13:54 ◼   ► So that's why I say, like, if this is really your explicit intent,

01:13:58 ◼   ► intense, six months. Six months and if you don't see a really promising trend line, ditch

01:14:03 ◼   ► it, start the next thing.

01:14:05 ◼   ► Do it for a year.

01:14:09 ◼   ► You want to do it a year? That's fine, whatever. But just have something in your mind. Don't

01:14:14 ◼   ► just keep going on with it in a vague way and thinking like, "Oh, someday this thing

01:14:18 ◼   ► is going to pay off." Because it probably won't.

01:14:21 ◼   ► This question comes from Daniel. Daniel says, "I find it fascinating to hear your takes

01:14:26 ◼   ► and employment, particularly two that come to mind are your responses to leaving, employment

01:14:30 ◼   ► for self-employment, and whether the universe is or isn't worth it.

01:14:33 ◼   ► Those are big questions, okay. I guess the reason I find myself writing is

01:14:38 ◼   ► because I don't fully fall into either of those things you guys have answered. So don't

01:14:42 ◼   ► worry, Grey, we don't have to answer those questions today.

01:14:45 ◼   ► Is university worth it? Discuss. Maybe for a later show. I'm currently a student

01:14:50 ◼   ► with an office job that is currently sucking the soul out of me. Don't get me wrong, I

01:14:54 ◼   ► like I'm lucky for having an office job at a young age while most of my friends do not.

01:14:58 ◼   ► However, lately getting dressed for work in the mornings has felt like I'm bracing myself to go

01:15:02 ◼   ► into a battlefield. I find myself drowning in the amount of work I have and also constantly arguing

01:15:07 ◼   ► or putting up with bad attitudes for as little as saying good morning. It also doesn't help that I am

01:15:12 ◼   ► hourly not salary based and being paid a ridiculously smaller amount than the person I

01:15:17 ◼   ► ended up replacing. It feels chaotic and although changes are said to be coming to help with the

01:15:22 ◼   ► chaos, and they always are, and they always are coming. Those changes, they're just

01:15:28 ◼   ► on the horizon.

01:15:30 ◼   ► Any moment now, just stick with it.

01:15:34 ◼   ► So although changes are said to be coming to help with the chaos, I can't help but

01:15:38 ◼   ► feel like it's only downhill from here. The place that once felt like home might as

01:15:42 ◼   ► well be a minefield waiting to explode.

01:15:45 ◼   ► All that said, I don't have another thing to jump to. There is no side hustle. Without

01:15:48 ◼   ► limited education or experience I'm not 100% sure how easy it would be to find another

01:15:53 ◼   ► job. So my question is what would you guys do? Would you try to take more money and stay?

01:15:58 ◼   ► All of these signs that I should be running or am I just being a rebellious young person

01:16:03 ◼   ► who doesn't want to put up with being put down constantly?

01:16:07 ◼   ► It's signs that you should go. Definitely. Yeah that's what I like. My experience with

01:16:13 ◼   ► is when things in a working environment turn for the worse.

01:16:18 ◼   ► You just cannot believe ever any of the promises of future improvement.

01:16:23 ◼   ► Those will not be coming. Those are mollifications to keep you where you are.

01:16:29 ◼   ► If you don't have a side hustle, like there's obviously you don't want it to jump into the void of nothing,

01:16:38 ◼   ► of nothing but I would be very actively looking for another better position to

01:16:45 ◼   ► get into somewhere else that's that's what I would be doing and I know what

01:16:49 ◼   ► Daniel was saying about the fact that they're young and they don't have a lot

01:16:55 ◼   ► of experience and like I get all of that like and it would be tricky to find

01:16:59 ◼   ► another job that might be like on paper is good mm-hmm but if you allow yourself

01:17:04 ◼   ► to get into this mindset for your first job, you will be doing this forever.

01:17:10 ◼   ► If you allow yourself at this point to just stick it out,

01:17:15 ◼   ► you will be sticking it out in every job you ever have.

01:17:18 ◼   ► You're in this position, you know, whatever it is, like this is a bullet point on your resume,

01:17:23 ◼   ► and you use this to stretch into the next job. Because like, here's a pro tip,

01:17:29 ◼   ► When people put out requirements for another job, those are not hard and fast requirements.

01:17:36 ◼   ► Like you can try to stretch it in applications for other things. So like this is a ladder that

01:17:42 ◼   ► you want to try to climb. Like stretch it to a better position if you can. Even if you don't

01:17:48 ◼   ► necessarily think like you're 100% qualified for that other position. But just try it. Just go for

01:17:56 ◼   ► We've already got a job with no experience.

01:17:58 ◼   ► Yeah, exactly.

01:17:59 ◼   ► You now have magnitudes of experience more than you had the last time.

01:18:03 ◼   ► Literally infinitely more than what you had before.

01:18:06 ◼   ► You have all of the experience in the world, you know, if you look at how you were last time.

01:18:11 ◼   ► Yeah, but I think the meta lesson here is just never trust your employer when they tell you,

01:18:18 ◼   ► "Next year, we're going to make things up to you for this year," or there's changes coming.

01:18:24 ◼   ► is coming it's like no yeah never believe that stuff because here's the thing there may be and

01:18:29 ◼   ► they may change the things that are upsetting you now but there'll be new problems that need new

01:18:35 ◼   ► changes right like if you're in a workplace where it feels like there's always changes around the

01:18:41 ◼   ► corner it means that the changes are never coming as quickly as they should be right and and this

01:18:47 ◼   ► is usually the mark of a big machine yeah right trundling its way through the corporate world

01:18:53 ◼   ► I spent too long in a job that I shouldn't have been in feeling all of this and I took

01:19:06 ◼   ► too long before I made a change and I will always regret not doing that because of what

01:19:13 ◼   ► it put me through.

01:19:14 ◼   ► So if you are in this situation, of course, it's never easy to just get a job but there

01:19:20 ◼   ► There are always jobs and the thing is you should, if you're feeling like this, you should

01:19:24 ◼   ► at least be looking elsewhere so you get an idea of what is available and at least so

01:19:29 ◼   ► you feel like you have your future in your hands a little bit.

01:19:35 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:19:36 ◼   ► Your real job when you have a job is to find your next better job.

01:19:40 ◼   ► Yep.

01:19:41 ◼   ► And that can be inside the company or outside the company.

01:19:44 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:19:45 ◼   ► Anywhere.

01:19:46 ◼   ► I was teaching like I switched schools like for the same kind of thing like I like I want to have a

01:19:51 ◼   ► Better position like in terms of what that meant to me of like what is it that I'm looking for?

01:19:55 ◼   ► But even when I was at a school where I was totally 100% happy

01:20:00 ◼   ► I never never did not look at those job listings, right?

01:20:04 ◼   ► I had an automated thing for like job listings that mashed a bunch of criteria that I was looking for

01:20:08 ◼   ► I was like every week I got that little list and it's like I'm perfectly happy in my position right now

01:20:12 ◼   ► But I'm gonna take a look. I'm gonna take a look and just see what's out there

01:20:15 ◼   ► Like this is, if you have a job, I think this is part of it.

01:20:19 ◼   ► It's always keeping an eye on the horizon.

01:20:21 ◼   ► Do it, Daniel.