30: Cortexaversary


00:00:00   Myke? Myke, listen, it's going at the end. Cut it now, put it at the end, we'll deal with it later.

00:00:07   Do you do that a lot? Do you talk to yourself a lot like that in the show?

00:00:10   Not always, but just in case I'm coloring.

00:00:12   Yeah, but see that can be the bumper now, where you were just talking to yourself,

00:00:15   giving yourself instructions.

00:00:16   That's not gonna happen.

00:00:18   That can be the beginning of the show, why not? Why won't you put it there?

00:00:20   Myke, future Myke, you need to put this at the start of the show.

00:00:25   Did you ever think this day would come?

00:00:29   What day is this?

00:00:31   It's our Cortex-iversary.

00:00:33   Oh! Happy Cortex-iversary, Myke.

00:00:35   Happy Cortex-iversary to you too, Gray.

00:00:37   Have we been doing this for a year?

00:00:39   A year, a whole year.

00:00:41   Do you remember your very strong commitment for 10?

00:00:43   Uh, yeah. Yeah, sort of.

00:00:45   Yeah, those days are long gone now, my friend.

00:00:49   So what is this? This is episode 30? 30.

00:00:53   Yeah. This is where our very peculiar schedule is always going to ruin the numbering.

00:00:58   in the numbering. What do you mean? Right, because we did the first 10 on a weekly basis.

00:01:02   Right, yeah, yeah. No, I won't forget that. I won't forget that anytime soon. Yeah, that

00:01:07   was horrific. Whose idea was that? It was my idea. Yeah, it was your idea. I had to

00:01:12   be put through the fire to understand, right, like I went through a horrible scenario, I

00:01:17   now know the way to do this show. It's not every week. It's not every week, no. But yeah,

00:01:22   we made it. We made it, and I look forward to our next Cortex adversary. Oh, that's optimistic.

00:01:27   Well, I like to live that way.

00:01:29   [laughs]

00:01:31   Like, in all seriousness, it's great.

00:01:32   I wasn't sure if we would get this far.

00:01:35   As always with podcasts, I just assume that the end of all things to discuss is right around the corner.

00:01:43   Every episode feels like, "Oh, this is probably going to be the last episode of any podcast I ever do."

00:01:47   Like, what else can there possibly be to talk about? But there's always more stuff to talk about.

00:01:50   Mm-hmm.

00:01:51   And yeah, I think this has gone pretty well.

00:01:54   It's gone pretty well.

00:01:55   Happy Cortex-iversary.

00:01:57   to everyone. I did not get you flowers.

00:01:59   Oh no. Don't open that parcel just yet.

00:02:06   So we had a much larger response to our touch typing survey than I expected we would.

00:02:12   I haven't looked at any of this because I wanted to wait for the show because I was

00:02:16   kind of curious to see what you would put together. You did give me a little preview

00:02:21   of some of the data. And whenever that was, 24 hours after the show went up, there were

00:02:28   already what seemed like a huge number of replies. So lots of people, it seemed like,

00:02:33   wanted to share their information about when they learned or did not learn to touch-type.

00:02:39   What is the final number of people who filled out the survey, Myke?

00:02:43   3944 people have given their submissions for the Cortex Touch typing questionnaire.

00:02:51   That is a lot of answers.

00:02:53   It's a lot. And the Reddit thread was a blaze, which ended up not being very useful, like

00:03:00   statistically because you cannot do anything with all of that, right? All you do is you

00:03:04   just see the comments. So I was really pleased that we had the questionnaire because we could

00:03:09   could actually get data which could kind of try and give us some answers. So what I did

00:03:14   was I took 2,000 responses and put them into a second sheet that I made public to the world

00:03:22   so people could take that data and try and help us understand it a little bit better

00:03:28   because the form on its own didn't give me some of the answers that I wanted. So once

00:03:32   we started getting all this data I was like, "Hmm, it would be interesting if we could

00:03:36   break some of it down by age, right? Because we had the age question in there, but I was

00:03:40   wondering like, would it be different for older and younger people as to how they answered

00:03:45   as to whether they were taught to touch type, that kind of thing. We got some fantastic

00:03:50   responses and people doing really interesting things with that data, which I'm going to

00:03:54   put in the show notes. So you can continue to play around with it if you want to and

00:03:57   take a look for yourself. But I think the overall points that I took away from this

00:04:03   is that it seems to indicate from our data, our completely scientific data, that the older

00:04:10   you are, the more likely you are to know how to touch type. And also you're more likely

00:04:16   to have been taught at school. And it also appears that the younger you are, the more

00:04:22   likely you are able to touch type on the touch screen. That was, I guess, everyone's hypothesis,

00:04:27   right?

00:04:28   Yeah, but you never know until you collect data.

00:04:31   And there is a much higher amount of people in the younger age brackets that could touch

00:04:37   type, or at least self-identified as touch typing.

00:04:40   Because I think that's one part that, you know, I learned a few things in this.

00:04:44   Like, if I would have thought we would have had the size of responses that we did, maybe

00:04:49   I would have asked some questions differently, added in some other questions.

00:04:53   Like you know, what is touch typing to you?

00:04:55   Because some people don't look at the keyboard, but that isn't what I think of as touch typing.

00:05:00   I think of that whole method that you learn

00:05:02   in typing classes.

00:05:03   - I disagree with you there.

00:05:04   I totally disagree with you.

00:05:05   If you can type on the keyboard without looking,

00:05:10   that is touch typing as far as I'm concerned.

00:05:11   - Yeah, okay, I get what you mean.

00:05:13   Okay, I'm just thinking as a way to understand

00:05:16   if someone was taught it or if they were self-taught.

00:05:20   I think 'cause when I think of touch typing capitalized,

00:05:24   I think of how you are taught in a typing class

00:05:28   as opposed to like I cannot look at a keyboard and type.

00:05:31   I think they're both completely valid,

00:05:33   but I think they come from different areas

00:05:35   and now I'm interested in learning

00:05:37   of the people that know, did they teach themselves,

00:05:40   you know, that kind of thing.

00:05:42   So we have some of that, like are you learning

00:05:45   and did you learn touch type in school.

00:05:46   So there's still more data that I can dig into,

00:05:49   but overall, this is a very useful exercise

00:05:53   and we all have learned something.

00:05:54   Yeah, like I'm looking at some of the charts that friend of the show _DavidSmith made.

00:06:02   And so for example on the question "Did does your school offer touch typing lessons?"

00:06:09   That peaks for people in the age range of 51 to 60 at almost 80%.

00:06:15   Right there they're saying like yes, touch typing was a thing that their school offers.

00:06:20   And then you get down to essentially 0 to 21, that age bracket is about, looks like

00:06:27   about 45% on the chart.

00:06:29   The slope follows upward in that direction.

00:06:31   So the older you are, the more likely it is that you learn to touch type at school.

00:06:35   But the one that I really like is the question about can you touch type on the glass without

00:06:42   looking?

00:06:44   And that peaks for the 17-21 year old demographic is essentially 60% can type on a glass screen

00:06:52   without looking.

00:06:53   Which is a higher percentage than I would have expected.

00:06:55   Is way higher than I would have guessed.

00:06:58   Slightly younger is slightly less, which is a little bit surprising, but I can kind of

00:07:03   see maybe why in retrospect.

00:07:05   My thinking would be that people in the 0-16 bracket have had less experience.

00:07:12   Yeah, that was my thought afterward as well.

00:07:15   It's a combination of less experience and probably less need to do a lot of typing.

00:07:20   But it's still shockingly high at 55%.

00:07:23   But what I love is when you get to the 60+%, the number who can touch type on a glass screen without looking drops to exactly 0%.

00:07:33   [laughter]

00:07:37   It's not zero rounded off, it's exactly 0% of people 60 or older said that they could

00:07:44   type on Glass without looking.

00:07:46   And the 51 to 60 demographic is at just barely 6%.

00:07:55   Something that I also picked up from looking in the Reddit is it seems like typing classes

00:08:01   do still exist but mainly in America.

00:08:04   Just from looking at people's comments, it seems that not a lot of people in the UK,

00:08:09   if any, or in Europe are taught TouchType, but it seems like there are still parts of

00:08:13   America where it's part of the curriculum, because it wasn't like resounding for everyone.

00:08:18   I had a lot of people saying to me like, "What, your schools don't teach it?" So I will infer

00:08:21   from that, no, they do not, and that yours must do and you are in America, so maybe there's

00:08:26   still some of that going on.

00:08:28   But yeah, I think this was interesting. I'm really glad that you took the time to put

00:08:33   the survey together because yes as you said a large large number of

00:08:37   anecdotal answers in Reddit is interesting to read through but it's hard to pull out

00:08:41   more specific trends. So this was great to

00:08:45   have the data and the links will be in the show notes for

00:08:49   people who want to play around with it and visualise it further

00:08:53   than we have done so far today. I think the only downside from doing this

00:08:57   is that now I am survey hungry.

00:09:01   What do you mean?

00:09:03   Now I want to do surveys for everything.

00:09:05   So I'm gonna have to just try and resist myself from doing that.

00:09:10   Like now I want to know everything about how people manage email, but I won't do it.

00:09:16   Every episode of QuaTeX comes with an appropriate survey now.

00:09:19   I won't do it great, but I want to.

00:09:21   But I won't.

00:09:22   I think if you want to put in the time to construct a well done survey, then I think

00:09:29   you can go survey crazy.

00:09:30   There's nothing wrong with that. I feel it should be tactically deployed. Okay, otherwise we'll have survey fatigue

00:09:36   Okay, all right I can get I can get behind that

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00:11:47   So it's time to check in on the hiring project.

00:11:51   Yes. How's it going? I assume that now

00:11:55   based on our last conversation, you have taken a look

00:11:59   at the submissions. Yes, yes.

00:12:03   I feel like between

00:12:07   last time we spoke and today when we were recording

00:12:11   has been an unusually ridiculously

00:12:15   busy time for me. So I have less progress to report than I might otherwise want. But

00:12:24   I have definitely moved forward on this. I have looked at all of the applications and

00:12:29   I've gone through a little bit of a process trying to whittle them down and select people

00:12:36   to work with in the future. How many submissions did you get?

00:12:40   Alright, what would you guess for submissions?

00:12:44   This is a more fun game.

00:12:45   Take a guess, what do you think?

00:12:48   176.

00:12:49   Wow, look at you, very precise guess there.

00:12:54   Because look, if I'm right, it's the best thing ever.

00:12:57   Right, exactly.

00:12:59   Return on this roll of the dice here, you look like a psychic if you are correct.

00:13:05   And you're almost certainly wrong anyway, so there's no downside to guessing.

00:13:09   So here are the numbers. At the time that we are recording, the video has about 40,000 views.

00:13:18   So we can assume that 40,000 people in some way were exposed to the existence of this application.

00:13:26   And when I took a look to see what was in my Dropbox folder, which was about a week after the supposed deadline where I was going to look,

00:13:37   there were 75 applications waiting for me to take a look at.

00:13:42   - That's a really good number,

00:13:46   because if it would have been a lot higher than that,

00:13:50   one, it would have been super hard to go through,

00:13:53   and the quality would have probably been overall worse.

00:13:57   I would expect that you were able to really whittle it down

00:14:01   to a more manageable number.

00:14:03   - Yeah, and this is a bit of an estimate on my part,

00:14:05   But I think that the number of total submissions that I may have gotten might actually be quite close to your guess, around 150.

00:14:17   Because after the point at which I looked at it, I just had a message to my assistants to anybody who submitted from that point on.

00:14:26   She was only to pass it along if it really struck her as something worth taking a look at.

00:14:31   Right.

00:14:32   And I did see, I did just look and see briefly that there were a bunch more submissions after

00:14:36   that, but none of them made it through her barrier.

00:14:39   Ah, okay.

00:14:40   I wouldn't be surprised if the total number was 150, but the number that I actually looked

00:14:45   at was 75.

00:14:48   And this was, like, like so many moments in life, it is really easy to overestimate how

00:15:00   easy a task is until you try to do it yourself.

00:15:04   And so I just had a lot, a lot of sympathy for hiring managers and HR people in this

00:15:13   moment because I was thinking, "Oh, this is going to be super easy just to go through

00:15:16   a bunch of applications.

00:15:18   How hard can it possibly be?"

00:15:20   And it turns out the answer is it's a lot harder than you think it is going through

00:15:25   this.

00:15:26   So I ended up having to break it into two parts.

00:15:29   I did a first pass where all I was doing was I literally created a folder called "Tolerable"

00:15:39   and so my estimation there was all I want to do on round one is put anything that is

00:15:48   tolerable or better into this folder.

00:15:51   Because simply trying to watch all of the videos, since some of them were very different

00:15:57   in quality, it's like it was surprisingly hard to make comparisons after watching three or four videos.

00:16:02   Like your brain just gets really muddled up with all the details, so I thought, okay,

00:16:07   I just need to do a quick first pass of which ones are definitely out and which ones are definitely in.

00:16:13   So I sorted it that way and then I thought, okay, once I have done that, then I can try again to make

00:16:19   finer distinctions between some of the applications.

00:16:23   But so that was the round one and then I did a round two, which was trying to limit it down a bit further.

00:16:28   But that's how I ended up doing this on my own so far.

00:16:32   Yeah, that makes sense to me because I think if you watch so many things in a row,

00:16:36   you kind of lose track of what's better than another.

00:16:41   Right? So like whittling it down by like, "Can I watch this and it doesn't hurt my eyes?" is a good way of doing things.

00:16:49   Right. Round one was basically identify the instant no's.

00:16:54   Right? That was all I was trying to do. Because I realized very quickly that as you're watching through stuff,

00:16:59   you end up comparing the thing that you're currently watching mentally to the thing that you have just watched.

00:17:04   You're like, "Wait a minute, that's not what this comparison should be at all!"

00:17:07   I can't do this just all in one go in the way I was originally intending.

00:17:12   Yeah.

00:17:13   So it was interesting, just again, since I think the whole purpose of this show is to talk a like about the details of being self-employed

00:17:24   and of course there are some things here that I won't be able to discuss because we're talking about actual people

00:17:28   but of the 75 applications that I had, 50 of them were sorted as instant nos and 25 of them were sorted as tolerable or better.

00:17:41   So that was the round one of the applications.

00:17:46   What happens next was that I had to give my brain a couple of days to

00:17:51   filter that out, to kind of like, "Okay, forget what you've seen,

00:17:57   and I need to come back to this at a later point."

00:18:00   So I gave it a little while.

00:18:03   This is where we may return to it later, but a whole other thing happened which distracted my attention for a little bit,

00:18:08   for a little bit, so this has gone on a bit longer than I would have wanted to otherwise.

00:18:12   But when I came back, then I was trying to make a decision about...

00:18:19   through these 25 applications, I want to narrow this down as much as I can, again, based solely on the animation.

00:18:30   So I'm still looking at all of these things as files with just single numbers.

00:18:35   I don't know anything about the people, I don't know where they are, I don't know their experience, I'm just looking at the animations.

00:18:40   And the second round of cutting was a much harder thing to do, but I did a round two that took it from 25 down to 10.

00:18:53   So that was the second round of trying to figure out what's happening.

00:18:57   And there I was looking at many more finer details about the animations, like, "Oh, what choices did you make to animate this or that?"

00:19:07   Some of the things that are very hard to articulate is, for example, watching a video is seeing...

00:19:12   Did the person get me to laugh when I'm watching the video? Like, did this person do something that matches up with my sense of humor?

00:19:24   Again, that's not to say that the people that I didn't select weren't funny, but the question is

00:19:29   do they match up with the kind of joke that I might make in a video, right?

00:19:36   Like that's what I'm looking for there.

00:19:38   And so yeah, it was, again, surprisingly hard to do.

00:19:43   But it was down to

00:19:46   10 then. So what's happening now is that my assistant is

00:19:52   reaching out to those 10 and collecting some information that I want to have about the applications at this point

00:20:00   to be able to make some decisions about where to go in the future.

00:20:04   Is it seeming like that this was the worthwhile experiment you were hoping it would be?

00:20:09   I'm feeling pretty good about how

00:20:11   this has been going.

00:20:14   It's especially interesting to me because I am, as we are recording, I am currently in the middle of

00:20:21   animating my next video, which should be out in a few days.

00:20:26   And of course while I am in the process of animating this video

00:20:30   I can't help but have my mind constantly turn to thinking about how will this be different when I'm working with somebody else.

00:20:37   And before the application went out, I was just really nervous and really concerned about the kind of quality of

00:20:45   applications that I was going to get. And now being future me,

00:20:51   who has seen the applications, I have to say that the average quality of application was much higher

00:20:58   than I was expecting, which to me was a big, big relief. Like, okay, I am glad to see that there are

00:21:05   lots of skilled people in here. And even, I just, I do have to say that for lots of the applications

00:21:12   that I rejected, those people could be motion animators. Like, without a doubt. I rejected

00:21:19   people who could do this for a living.

00:21:21   But just the average quality was quite high

00:21:24   and then that's where it starts to come down to

00:21:26   again, just some of the particulars about how would I do something

00:21:29   or what are the particular choices that they made about how to animate.

00:21:32   It's not necessarily about that person's skill

00:21:35   but it's their understanding of your style, which is the point I guess.

00:21:39   Yeah, exactly. But that

00:21:42   that is what made it so hard is because there were definitely some applications where I felt like

00:21:47   I want to reject this, but this person is undoubtedly good.

00:21:51   Like, they're very good, they just made decisions that I don't agree with for my own style.

00:21:57   And it's just a strange position to be in.

00:21:59   But overall, I was very happy to see the quality of the submissions.

00:22:04   And in my experience of animating the video that I'm currently working on,

00:22:10   It's a huge relief to know that in the future I will almost certainly be working with someone to help make this process easier

00:22:19   because I can tell that I am still not fully recovered from some of the RSI problems I had the last video or the video prior to that

00:22:29   Like I am having to work in much shorter bursts and with larger breaks between bursts, like I can just still feel that I am not fully recovered from that before

00:22:39   And so it's just, I think everything has happened at the right time.

00:22:45   Like I was already thinking about bringing people on board.

00:22:48   I had a thing that accelerated this whole process, which I think ultimately is good.

00:22:53   And I'm looking at these applications and I have to say, of the ten people that I'm going to get some more information about,

00:23:01   I think any of them I could imagine working with to produce animations in the future.

00:23:07   I think that there are definitely people here that I can work with and I want to work with in the future.

00:23:15   Presuming that everything works out between us and that it's all okay.

00:23:20   Were you planning on giving feedback to the applicants?

00:23:25   It was a thing that crossed my mind because I remember when I was applying for a job as a teacher

00:23:33   that the schools did give feedback to people if they didn't select you.

00:23:38   One of the very first schools I ever applied to, I didn't realize they were offering me a job

00:23:43   and I sort of talked myself out of the job and then I got some feedback about how like,

00:23:47   "You seemed really uncommitted to the school."

00:23:48   And then I realized like, "Oh, I realized what was happening here."

00:23:51   [laughs]

00:23:55   I had this... okay, I'll have to tell you now, but I applied to this school

00:23:59   which was very high on the list. Like I had a short list of three schools that I really wanted to work at.

00:24:03   and I applied to one of them.

00:24:05   And you do a whole test lesson, and then you talk to the head of department,

00:24:10   and then you talk to the head of the school,

00:24:12   and then presumably they have a little meeting about you,

00:24:14   and then they walk you out to the front and someone's talking to you.

00:24:16   And as the head of department was walking me out of the building,

00:24:19   he was going, "What would you say if we offered you the job right now?"

00:24:25   I said, "Oh, I'd have to think about it,

00:24:29   because I don't like to make decisions on the spot."

00:24:33   He's like, "But what if we were going to offer it to you right now?"

00:24:39   And I was like, "Well, I would just have to think about it."

00:24:42   And like, I was just a total idiot.

00:24:46   Like, I just didn't realize what was occurring there.

00:24:51   And I remember he was like really insistent on this point all the way out to the front door about,

00:24:56   But if we were to tell you at this very moment that you could start work immediately, what would you think about that?

00:25:03   And I was like, I would just have to think about it.

00:25:05   And then it was a couple days later when I got a phone call from the headmistress and she was telling me how it seemed like I was uncommitted to the school.

00:25:12   And then it was like the other penny dropped, I was like, oh, that's what was happening.

00:25:17   That's my experience with feedback for applying to jobs.

00:25:24   No desire to have an impulse.

00:25:26   But I don't know, like when I watch Shark Tank,

00:25:28   I always think when the VCs offer a deal

00:25:30   and they're like, "Oh, here's a deal,

00:25:31   "but you have to say yes or no right now."

00:25:32   It's like, "Oh, I'm sorry, my blanket policy is no.

00:25:34   "If you need me to decide right now, the answer is no."

00:25:36   Right, but this is why you would never go on that show.

00:25:39   No, no, I would never go on that show.

00:25:41   'Cause it's pointless.

00:25:41   But I think that's a reasonable policy.

00:25:43   You spend hours and hours preparing for it.

00:25:46   You go on the show, give your pitch,

00:25:47   they offer you the $100,000 you want

00:25:49   and you tell them you need to go away and think about it.

00:25:52   Yeah, it's not unreasonable.

00:25:54   Anyway.

00:25:55   Going back to the feedback question.

00:25:57   Right.

00:25:58   I did think about it simply because of the large number of applications and also because

00:26:03   of how surprisingly busy my past two weeks were.

00:26:06   I realized if I was going to do this I would want to do it right and this was, this would

00:26:11   quite easily be two full days of work to just write back with feedback on the applications.

00:26:19   What about to the final ten?

00:26:20   It's a much smaller number.

00:26:22   people all know that you're kind of interested now. Maybe they would be at least a more manageable

00:26:29   task to give feedback to those 10.

00:26:32   Yeah, it's a possibility. It's a possibility. But I'm not sure how much more specific the

00:26:37   feedback would be at this stage than just some peculiar reasoning on my part.

00:26:43   Sometimes that's all it takes, though. Just to know, so you don't question it.

00:26:47   Yeah, I guess. Again, I think all of the ten, the people who, by the time this goes up, will almost

00:26:54   certainly have replied if they got the email in their inbox. Any of them I could imagine

00:27:00   working with. So it feels like that's... isn't that feedback enough? I don't know.

00:27:06   But yeah, to just reiterate my earlier answer is I am feeling pretty good about this.

00:27:16   It's going slower than I would have otherwise wanted, but I'm feeling pretty good about this.

00:27:21   And at this stage, it's just going to come down to the peculiarities of working with the individuals,

00:27:28   or like when are people available. At this stage, it's just going to be, I think, very

00:27:34   particular and maybe not a whole lot to be gained from talking about those details.

00:27:41   Like, it's just the specifics.

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00:29:58   Of the people that are in the last final ten, this sounds like a reality show now. You give

00:30:03   roses out to the ones that you like and maybe you give them like Wacom styluses or something

00:30:09   you know?

00:30:10   Yeah.

00:30:11   That's how they know.

00:30:12   Yeah that'll work.

00:30:13   Of the ones that are through to the final round, are there any in there or are they

00:30:19   all kind of in a scenario where you could have an all-in-one person?

00:30:22   I know we spoke about that before about like someone who would be animator and illustrator.

00:30:29   Is this something that you think might exist in these people?

00:30:33   Yeah, I would say that all of these people would be totally fine as animator/illustrators.

00:30:40   And what I was kind of thinking from the beginning but didn't quite want to say is work collaboratively on storyboards.

00:30:47   Like, I... If a person is good, my thought is I want their feedback on a storyboard.

00:30:54   If I can give them a script, I think...

00:30:56   I think a good workflow... Again, this is me just speculating, just thinking about it in the future.

00:31:01   But all of these people seem really good.

00:31:03   And so my thought is that if I have scripts, one of the things I might be able to do is say,

00:31:07   look, here is the script.

00:31:09   I'm going to do a rough storyboard.

00:31:11   You separately do a rough storyboard and together, let's see what is the best thing to do.

00:31:18   Right, because those people have already done that.

00:31:20   Right, exactly.

00:31:20   That was the first challenge, right, was take just the audio, not even the script, right,

00:31:28   making it even harder than it would be and make something entertaining out of this and

00:31:33   to get into that position that they're in now, they have done that.

00:31:37   Yeah. So it's again, it's a strong group of people and all of them could be animator,

00:31:44   illustrators, storyboarder people. So I think, I can't remember what I said in the last episode

00:31:49   that I was expecting like a 25% chance that I might be able to find someone who fills

00:31:54   that all-in-one role, and here I am with 10 possibilities of people who could fill that

00:31:59   all-in-one role.

00:32:01   So I think I dramatically, dramatically underestimated last time.

00:32:07   That was my bet, by the way, that you would find lots of people that could do both, because

00:32:10   how else could they have gotten to the point where they made the submission?

00:32:14   Yeah, you are totally right.

00:32:17   You were right on this one.

00:32:18   #mikewasright, I guess, because you like to hear that.

00:32:21   I love to hear that.

00:32:22   I know it's a sweet, sweet sound to your ears, so I'll give it to you.

00:32:26   It is core to my emotional wellness.

00:32:28   So you found these 10 people, is there going to be a fleet of CGP Grey animator illustrators?

00:32:37   Like you have 10 now. It's an abundance.

00:32:41   This is where I have found things a little bit tricky is I'm not 100% sure how to proceed

00:32:50   from this point.

00:32:51   Yeah.

00:32:52   Because...

00:32:53   Again, this is where I...

00:32:56   For the purposes of hiring,

00:33:00   I again wish that I was a bigger entity.

00:33:03   I would love to be able to

00:33:06   do something like bring on three animators

00:33:10   and have them work on stuff.

00:33:12   But the question is, I just don't produce enough

00:33:15   writing at this point to support something like that.

00:33:19   Right? It's just--it is--it is just not practical.

00:33:22   So I don't really know how this is--this is going to proceed.

00:33:26   And this is partly why I am doing this information gathering stage on the people who have applied.

00:33:31   Because...

00:33:32   I could easily see...

00:33:35   you know, one of two...

00:33:37   outcomes for this. I could--I could see either...

00:33:41   having one person who does a large amount of work for me...

00:33:47   or I could see rotating between a few people.

00:33:51   And one of the interesting things about this submission process,

00:33:57   which I did expect but didn't explicitly want to say,

00:34:01   is that a couple of people ignored what was seemingly the most important piece of advice,

00:34:10   which was, "You are to animate this video in my style."

00:34:14   And I anticipated that some people would just totally ignore that,

00:34:19   but still produce very interesting work.

00:34:24   And so I have a couple of submissions which fall into that category of

00:34:29   "This is obviously not a video that I could have ever produced."

00:34:34   No one would watch this and think,

00:34:36   "Boy, CGP Grey got a little bit better at animating!"

00:34:39   It's like, no, no, no, CGP Grey did not get this good at animating.

00:34:42   Like somebody else did this. This does not look like his style at all.

00:34:45   And so those submissions are interesting in a different way.

00:34:50   Maybe there's a way that the future of the CGBGray channel that it has rotating styles.

00:34:56   That, just like in the past I have had Knut do animation for a few of my videos,

00:35:02   Lord of the Rings videos, the Star Trek videos.

00:35:04   Like maybe going forward in the future there might be a couple of different animation styles.

00:35:09   You already do have different styles though.

00:35:11   else though. Like you have the like the slideshow-y type ones, like the Royal Family tree and

00:35:19   the political ones like the voting ones. Then you also have like Great Explains where it's

00:35:24   little stick figure guy talking. Or you go like full on stock footage 15 minute mini

00:35:31   documentary.

00:35:32   Right. So what you are saying right now is the thing that everybody I have spoken to

00:35:38   says right back to me, like, "You know you already do this, right? Like, you don't actually have a single style that every single video looks like. You already do this."

00:35:48   And so, part of me feels like that is quite naturally the solution going forward.

00:35:54   That the people that I am working with might end up just having their own style, so I have a couple of different looking things on the channel.

00:36:04   But now the only thing that's different is that it is other people who have made them, it is not me.

00:36:08   Because from my perspective, since I have made all the videos,

00:36:13   I think I over assume their visual similarity to the viewer.

00:36:19   Because I have made them, if you see what I mean.

00:36:23   And so I was saying like, "Oh, if I have other people doing different things, it'll look just crazy different every single video."

00:36:27   But I imagine that that is largely the experience of the viewer already.

00:36:32   It's like, "Oh, this video looks nothing like the other CGP Grey videos."

00:36:36   And, you know, if you go back earlier in the channel, like, there's tons of videos that

00:36:39   don't even have the notion of stick figure CGP Grey. Like, there's a bunch of videos that don't

00:36:44   even have that what now feels like a constant element, right? But it was totally missing from

00:36:49   probably half of my videos. I've got to say, I tip my hat to those people.

00:36:53   Yeah, what do you mean? It's a ballsy move.

00:36:57   It is a total ballsy move.

00:36:59   And I think that that shows a level of creativity,

00:37:02   which and confidence, which could be beneficial.

00:37:06   Those people were confident enough in their own style and their own ability

00:37:11   that they could create something that was different,

00:37:13   even though you explicitly asked for the same.

00:37:16   Yeah, and this is this is kind of what I was I was getting at last time.

00:37:21   We were talking about talent, but I still want to be a little bit indirect about it

00:37:25   that the people who are going to do that, they're just going to do that anyway.

00:37:29   Yeah. Because they believe in their own ability, which they should.

00:37:33   Right. You know?

00:37:34   Sometimes that goes terribly wrong. Like I did reject very quickly some videos that made that

00:37:41   move, but in a way like, no, this is not going to work. But yeah, it is the daring move and it's an

00:37:48   interesting move and like I said I was anticipating that this would happen but I wasn't going

00:37:56   to bank on it as a 100% certainty.

00:37:59   Hey, so a couple of times you have mentioned that something kept you busy. Like you said

00:38:07   that you had to take some days off because you were busy etc. What's going on over there?

00:38:12   What are you doing?

00:38:14   You know, it's just grey industries.

00:38:16   It's such a massive global venture.

00:38:19   There's always something going on.

00:38:22   - Those wheels just keep on turning, huh?

00:38:24   - Yeah, they do.

00:38:25   I just, I had an experience which was, again,

00:38:28   where having started this process

00:38:33   of trying to get someone as an animator

00:38:37   for the YouTube channel,

00:38:39   and also the thing that happened before with us,

00:38:42   where you helped me get an editor for Hello Internet.

00:38:47   Like having those two experiences

00:38:50   have turned out to be extremely useful

00:38:53   in the past two weeks,

00:38:55   because related to hiring,

00:38:57   I was able to do a thing that I know eight weeks ago

00:39:00   would have seemed like an incredible, difficult task,

00:39:04   but now became a thing that I just did in between shows

00:39:08   without really mentioning it to you,

00:39:10   which was I had a thing that I needed to do for the company.

00:39:15   I'm not gonna specify what that thing is.

00:39:18   I will let people in the Reddit speculate

00:39:19   because people love to speculate on stuff.

00:39:21   But basically I had a project that needed to get done

00:39:24   and sort of unexpectedly needed to get done.

00:39:28   And I thought, okay, this is,

00:39:31   I'm like a person who tries to find freelancers

00:39:33   to work with now.

00:39:34   I can do this.

00:39:35   Let me see if I can just quickly get some people

00:39:38   to do this thing for me.

00:39:39   And so I was really pleased that I had this thing that needed to be done.

00:39:43   I wrote up a basic job description of what needed to occur.

00:39:48   I passed off the relevant information about here are the key characteristics of

00:39:53   what I'm looking for to my personal assistant.

00:39:55   I had her go look out for a list of candidates who matched these various

00:40:01   criteria. She gave me a short list of five people.

00:40:05   I selected it down to a list of three people.

00:40:08   I then had three people work on a thing simultaneously as a test for each of them.

00:40:15   And then two of those three people worked out with doing this thing precisely the way

00:40:20   that I needed to be done.

00:40:21   And so now I have two freelancers to be able to call on for a particular task when I need

00:40:25   to get done.

00:40:27   And I feel like this thing just happened.

00:40:28   It was like boom boom boom boom boom.

00:40:30   Here's another time where I feel like I'm being a CEO.

00:40:33   There's a thing I need done.

00:40:34   Oh, I have people to help me with hiring.

00:40:36   I'm going to make some decisions about the individuals.

00:40:39   I'm going to pay people to do this work.

00:40:41   And then I'm going to be able to see right away

00:40:43   if it was done properly.

00:40:45   And it was just done.

00:40:46   And it was just a thing that was like done, sorted, solved.

00:40:50   And I feel like without Cortex,

00:40:53   that would never have happened.

00:40:54   That would have been a huge disaster and huge time sink,

00:40:59   much more than it was just for a couple of days.

00:41:01   So yeah, it was good.

00:41:03   It was a good experience, Myke.

00:41:04   - Wow, look at you.

00:41:05   - Yeah.

00:41:06   - How long did this process take?

00:41:07   - From start to finish, it was probably three days,

00:41:12   but it was also a relatively small amount

00:41:15   of my time and attention.

00:41:17   It was a bit of a panicky thing

00:41:18   'cause it needed to be done straight away,

00:41:20   which is why it diverted my mental attention.

00:41:22   But in terms of the actual amount of time that I spent,

00:41:25   it was relatively small.

00:41:29   And I just think this was just an interesting thing to occur

00:41:33   and was one of the ways in which,

00:41:35   I don't know, people change over time.

00:41:38   Like again, this would have just been

00:41:39   a much more difficult task a long time ago.

00:41:41   - This would have been horrible for you

00:41:43   a couple of months ago.

00:41:44   You would have done everything you could

00:41:46   to avoid this process.

00:41:48   - Right.

00:41:49   - Right, of like, admitting that you needed help.

00:41:52   - Right.

00:41:53   - And then trying to go out to the open world to find it.

00:41:58   - Right.

00:41:59   - Then judging the work and dealing with people.

00:42:00   Like, it's like everything you hate.

00:42:03   Yeah, it was absolutely terrible.

00:42:05   But it was...

00:42:07   It also just to me falls into this category of

00:42:12   the theme of the year of less, as with so many of these things, of me trying to do less.

00:42:18   And when I was thinking about this, of like, "Okay, I need someone to help with this task."

00:42:25   I was originally thinking, like, "Okay, let me try to find one person, and I'll test one person, and I'll do this."

00:42:31   And like, but no, wait, this needs to be done quickly.

00:42:33   And so this also goes back to the spreadsheet that I still need to help you

00:42:36   make at some point, Myke.

00:42:37   I was able to kind of think about this as this is a thing that I need solved

00:42:42   quickly.

00:42:43   What is like, what is the cost calculation of having three people just do it

00:42:49   if I just pay them to do it and using that essentially as also the job

00:42:53   application?

00:42:54   And I was like, OK, well, the return on investment for this from a business

00:42:57   perspective says just do it like you need this thing done quickly.

00:43:01   and the cost to trying to do it sequentially doesn't make sense.

00:43:05   It was an interesting way to realize of how to try to solve a problem

00:43:09   relatively quickly in a very "I am thinking about this

00:43:14   as a CEO, I am not thinking about this as

00:43:17   me, a person, trying to solve a problem." So yeah,

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00:45:16   Great, what is Colmak?

00:45:22   Are you thinking about switching keyboard layouts, Myke?

00:45:24   No, I've just come across a word I'd never heard of before.

00:45:28   A ton of feedback.

00:45:29   Colmac is better.

00:45:30   You should try Colmac.

00:45:31   That's what I've been told.

00:45:33   Look, the internet is an endless fractal

00:45:37   of opposing wars of things.

00:45:41   It's like, oh, there's Apple versus IBM, right?

00:45:45   Or like, there's Mac versus PC.

00:45:48   I was like, OK, well, we're all on the Mac side.

00:45:50   "Now it's iOS versus OS X."

00:45:53   Right? And then, "Oh, okay."

00:45:54   And then it's, like, these things go on forever and ever and ever.

00:45:58   And there is nothing that you can mention that there is not going to be some other side for.

00:46:04   No matter how obscure you get.

00:46:06   So the question is, are you in the 0.00001% of the population considering switching to a Dvorak keyboard?

00:46:14   Guess what? You have many options, right?

00:46:16   options, right? And people are going to argue with you about which of the variations is the best one.

00:46:21   So everything, everything devolves into these kind of little wars, but

00:46:26   the answer to your question is that

00:46:29   Colmac is another alternative keyboard.

00:46:33   Just as Dvorak is designed to minimize finger movement,

00:46:37   Colmac is also designed to minimize finger movement, but my understanding of it is that it is also

00:46:45   optimized to be easier to switch to.

00:46:49   So that when it was being designed, the question

00:46:53   was not "let's minimize the amount of finger travel"

00:46:57   the question was "let's minimize the amount of finger travel

00:47:01   and also minimize the amount of keys

00:47:05   that were actually going to move." Yeah, I'm looking at a layout now

00:47:09   and it's very similar, very similar.

00:47:13   So the standard copy-cut-paste keys that everybody in the world uses, those are not moved on purpose

00:47:21   because everybody has that just burned into their brain about cut-copy-paste.

00:47:26   There's a few other frequent keys that are not moved, but that is my understanding,

00:47:30   is Colmac is designed to make switching simpler, which is why--

00:47:34   Yeah, like if you're using OS X, it would be better.

00:47:38   Yeah, sure, that one too.

00:47:40   Because the Q and W are in the same place

00:47:42   for the quit and close windows and stuff like that.

00:47:45   I can see how, especially as a Mac user,

00:47:47   it would maybe be easier to switch to Comac.

00:47:51   - Yeah, my feeling is,

00:47:53   it's been funny, I've been getting a lot of Twitter messages

00:47:58   and messages from people telling me

00:48:01   that they have decided to switch

00:48:02   and that they now understand the feeling

00:48:04   like you've had a stroke.

00:48:05   - Yeah.

00:48:06   It's like, oh God, that was not a joke.

00:48:09   That is legitimately the feeling of trying to type

00:48:11   on a new keyboard layout.

00:48:13   - As a QWERTY user, looking at Dvorak,

00:48:15   it's like a nightmare.

00:48:17   Like everything is-- - It looks alien.

00:48:19   - It just looks horrific.

00:48:20   It's all over the place.

00:48:21   - Yeah.

00:48:22   - I like the people that have also,

00:48:23   I've seen a couple of people that have sent in pictures

00:48:25   of photos or printouts of the Dvorak layout

00:48:29   on the top of their monitor.

00:48:31   - Oh yeah.

00:48:32   - You know like how you did that?

00:48:33   I've seen a few people have taken that on.

00:48:35   Yeah.

00:48:36   Even though I use Dvorak, I feel the need to reemphasize,

00:48:39   although possibly too late for many,

00:48:41   that I don't promote switching just for funsies.

00:48:46   (laughing)

00:48:49   I think you need a really good reason to wanna switch.

00:48:52   And switching because it's the more efficient layout,

00:48:55   I think is not a good decision.

00:48:57   You need to switch to Dvorak

00:49:00   because you have a really good reason to do so.

00:49:04   not for, oh it'll be a little faster

00:49:07   or it's a little bit more efficient.

00:49:08   I think that is not good enough for the transition costs.

00:49:11   - I can't even imagine the minuscule amount

00:49:13   of people in the world that it actually would affect

00:49:16   to have more efficiency with typing.

00:49:18   - Exactly.

00:49:19   - What sort of difference are you looking at here?

00:49:22   If you're gonna double your typing speed, it might be good.

00:49:26   - Right, but you're not.

00:49:27   - No, you're not doing that, buddy.

00:49:29   - Yeah, and so the amount of time you lose

00:49:32   over a couple of months getting back your regular typing speed, you're never going to

00:49:36   recover that over the course of the whole rest of your life because Dvorak may or may

00:49:41   not be slightly faster or more efficient.

00:49:43   One thing that has been kind of rattling around my brain that I'm not sure that I fully understand

00:49:48   from our discussion last week is why changing keyboard layout would have helped your hands.

00:49:54   You're still making the same movements, right, but just in different locations.

00:49:59   Yeah, it's an – like, this is why I'm, like, a reluctant Dvorak promoter, and barely

00:50:07   even a Dvorak promoter, because –

00:50:10   Or last week would have said different.

00:50:13   Like, soliloquy.

00:50:16   I think if you listened back last time, if you didn't cut it, I did say something like,

00:50:20   all I know is that when I switched to Dvorak, I stopped having problems.

00:50:25   That is a very different statement from "Dvorak will solve all of your problems and make all

00:50:30   of your dreams come true."

00:50:31   And I could just cut that section out and just use that part.

00:50:34   Yeah, there you go.

00:50:36   Perfect.

00:50:37   This is the problem with you doing the edit.

00:50:40   I imagine it was a combination of many things at the time.

00:50:44   I think it was certainly a combination of taking a big break from typing when I had

00:50:48   a problem.

00:50:50   I think it was almost certainly being forced to get back into typing very slowly, because

00:50:57   I wasn't able to type very quickly.

00:51:00   And then I think those two things started me down on the right path, and then now that

00:51:07   I type with Dvorak, I think that the amount I am moving my hands is now under the threshold

00:51:17   that would cause me RSI problems.

00:51:20   whereas before with QWERTY, I think it was over the threshold.

00:51:25   But I may not be representative of the general population.

00:51:30   It's very possible that I am right on the edge with that kind of thing.

00:51:34   Whereas everybody with RSI problems, they have some threshold.

00:51:39   Some people's thresholds are naturally higher, some people's thresholds are naturally lower.

00:51:44   And that is going to affect what helps you or what doesn't help you.

00:51:48   And so I suspect that typing-wise, I was right on some threshold where changing to Dvorak

00:51:55   switched.

00:51:56   But if your sensitivity to RSI problems is very high, switching to Dvorak might not help

00:52:01   you at all.

00:52:02   It might just cost you some time and not be beneficial.

00:52:06   So that's why I always try to be really careful when I talk about it.

00:52:10   It helped me, but I'm not sure that I can universally recommend it.

00:52:17   So I would say if you are having RSI problems, it doesn't necessarily hurt to try.

00:52:25   Because what else are you going to do?

00:52:28   You can try different split keyboards, there's a bunch of stuff that you can try, and Dvorak

00:52:32   is one of those tools.

00:52:35   And I've used split keyboards, I've done a bunch of that other stuff, but I think switching

00:52:40   the layout was the thing that worked well for me.

00:52:43   But I am not a doctor, I do not play one on a podcast.

00:52:46   All I will say is, with the Colmac people, I don't know how much easier it is to actually

00:52:52   switch to Colmac.

00:52:54   My suspicion is that if you're going to Dvorak or you're going to Colmac, either way you're

00:53:01   going to feel like you've had a stroke.

00:53:02   Like, I can't imagine it's going to be that much of a difference.

00:53:06   So I think that the thing that really matters is just knowing that whatever device you are

00:53:12   going to use has software-level support for the keyboard that you are going to use.

00:53:18   That is the primary feature.

00:53:20   Okay, Myke, last week I told you about the One True email app, which is Unibox.

00:53:30   And I would like to know if you have tried it since then.

00:53:33   I have set up Unibox on all of my devices.

00:53:37   Hey!

00:53:38   And I've played with it and I can see a utility for it,

00:53:43   but I don't think I will use it as much as you do.

00:53:48   I know exactly when I will use Unibox.

00:53:51   - When is that?

00:53:52   - When I go on trips.

00:53:53   - Okay, so why on trips versus other times?

00:53:59   What is your thinking here?

00:54:00   - So when I'm on trips,

00:54:02   this can be vacations or work trips,

00:54:04   I have less time to devote to email.

00:54:08   So whenever I do open my email inbox,

00:54:12   I would like to be able to, at a glance,

00:54:15   pick out important things, and that would be by person.

00:54:18   So it's very likely that if I'm not looking email

00:54:22   for a few days, I might have a few emails

00:54:24   from a few important people,

00:54:25   and they'll be grouped together in Unibox.

00:54:27   And it's a better way, I think, to manage a large inbox.

00:54:32   So I will definitely use it then,

00:54:35   which is why I'm keeping it installed,

00:54:37   Because I know that at times where I can only just dip into this and pick out important things

00:54:41   And I know there's gonna be a lot more in there than usual

00:54:44   This would be a really good way at a glance to get a view of what is happening

00:54:49   Hmm, which is why I also think that this app is kind of made for your style

00:54:55   Of email because that's kind of how you I mean, it sounds like I'm making a joke, but I'm being serious

00:55:02   Like it's this is how you kind of always do your email, right?

00:55:06   Is it all you would let it build up then you go in and you chop away at it, but mostly

00:55:11   You need to see email from maybe one person. Yeah, and that's what makes your situation different to most other people

00:55:18   Yeah, this was something which someone in the reddit left a comment along the lines like uni box is the perfect email app

00:55:26   If you only check your email once a week, that is very accurate. I realized in retrospect. I think I had not quite really

00:55:34   But that really got a laugh out of me because I realized as soon as I read that, yes, of course, that is exactly the purpose of this email app.

00:55:42   If you are checking your email all the time, the very feature that it is built around, Sort By Sender, is almost entirely useless to you.

00:55:50   Whereas if you are someone like me who wants to check their email inbox once a week and then for as little time as humanly possible, then this is the email client for you.

00:56:03   - I think it's more than just sort by sender

00:56:06   that makes it useful, it's the grouping.

00:56:09   - Yeah.

00:56:10   - You know, 'cause I think you could have other apps,

00:56:12   I know you've tried and not many do it,

00:56:13   but sort by sender is a new thing to do,

00:56:15   it's just a different way to sort the inbox,

00:56:17   but it goes an extra step to group email

00:56:20   from the same person,

00:56:21   even if it's a different thread together,

00:56:23   that's a whole different scenario.

00:56:26   - Yeah, and that's what I totally love about it.

00:56:29   - I applaud doing it this way, right?

00:56:33   you have a way of wanting to manage email

00:56:37   that is different and going for it.

00:56:39   I wish that more apps would do that in all honesty,

00:56:42   like find a thing that works for you and go for it.

00:56:45   Like it was one of the things

00:56:47   that I loved about mailbox, right?

00:56:48   Like the idea of mailbox was focused around

00:56:52   what they referred to as inbox zero,

00:56:55   which is like a real twist

00:56:57   on what it actually started out as being.

00:57:00   But their idea was, clear the email from your inbox,

00:57:03   whether you are marking it as to do, snoozing it for later,

00:57:07   answering it or archiving it.

00:57:09   But like at the end of the day, have nothing in there.

00:57:12   And I liked it 'cause the whole app was built around

00:57:15   that ideology, whether it's right or wrong,

00:57:18   like that was the way that they built their application.

00:57:20   And that's what I also like about Unibox.

00:57:22   And I wish that more email applications would come

00:57:25   with some kind of overriding like theory to them.

00:57:29   - Right, some design philosophy around

00:57:32   how should you handle messages.

00:57:34   - Yep, and that is exactly what my new email app has,

00:57:37   which is do everything to them,

00:57:40   I think is the overall theory of airmail.

00:57:43   Have you played with airmail on iOS?

00:57:46   - Yes, I have played with airmail.

00:57:48   It is the white icon, right?

00:57:50   It's like the white envelope, is that it?

00:57:52   - Yeah, it has an envelope on it.

00:57:53   Do you know what one I mean?

00:57:55   - Yeah, I do know.

00:57:56   - Okay, good.

00:57:56   But the envelope is thin blue lines, is that airmail?

00:57:59   Do you know what you've done to me? I just said envelope.

00:58:02   Yeah?

00:58:03   Should be envelope.

00:58:04   Okay.

00:58:05   Ugh. Terrible.

00:58:06   This is what happens when you talk to Americans all day, Myke.

00:58:08   Oh, I know. Mobile. Mobile envelopes.

00:58:11   This is just accent drift. There's no way to avoid this.

00:58:15   I know.

00:58:16   You can hear this in my voice if you go back and you listen to my early videos. Like, you

00:58:22   back and you listen to that UK Explained video, the very first one, I sound like a totally

00:58:27   different person because that was the me who spoke to British people all day long. Right,

00:58:33   my accent drifted in the opposite way and then since I left schools and don't talk to

00:58:40   British people all day long, my accent has very naturally just drifted back much more

00:58:46   towards the normal American. I wouldn't have expected that to happen. In schools, I think

00:58:51   it's worse because you're aiming when you're talking in front of children to be non-distracting.

00:58:58   And so I was actually very conscious, particularly when I was teaching, of having a much softened

00:59:05   version of my American accent.

00:59:07   Right, but that's exactly my thinking with my accent.

00:59:10   Yeah.

00:59:11   I soften it down for the Americans.

00:59:14   Exactly, because otherwise the Americans will go, "huh-huh-huh, lol, listen to the way you

00:59:18   said that word!"

00:59:20   Right? That's... so you learn you have to talk in a certain way to not distract your American co-hosts.

00:59:26   Isn't that what happens?

00:59:28   Yep, that's exactly my thinking. Anyway...

00:59:31   So, accent drift. It happens to everybody. There's no way around it. And you are just in the funny

00:59:37   situation that even though you live in the United Kingdom, the vast majority of words you speak at

00:59:43   this point are to non-British people. I mean, that has to be the case, right?

00:59:47   Oh, yeah, well, because I tend to speak to either American people or a Romanian person.

00:59:55   Exactly, well that's what I was thinking, right? It's like you're not even normalizing back at home.

00:59:59   You're being pulled in an entirely other way back at home. So, yeah, it should be no surprise that

01:00:07   you were saying... I don't even know. Envelope? Envelope?

01:00:11   Envelope.

01:00:11   Envelope, okay.

01:00:12   Instead of envelope.

01:00:16   So just after we recorded our last episode, Canvas,

01:00:20   which is another show on relay FM, which is kind of iOS focused.

01:00:24   They did a whole big episode about third party email clients and Federico was

01:00:29   really pushing airmail and he had previously written a big review about it and I

01:00:35   decided to check it out and I like it a lot.

01:00:40   I like it a lot. Um,

01:00:42   It is rough around the edges in places, like it does some weird stuff, like it has some weird bugs.

01:00:48   And there's some UI stuff that I'm not massively keen on, but I feel like and have heard that there's gonna be some changes which would be a bit nicer for my eyes.

01:00:56   But it also does the custom IMAP screwing around thing.

01:01:00   I just realized that's why I know Airmail, because I've been trying to delete their custom IMAP folders from my setup for a while, and they keep coming back, because it must be installed somewhere that I don't know, or it's waking up every once in a while.

01:01:11   'cause it will do snoozing and all that stuff,

01:01:13   but I don't use any of it.

01:01:15   It sets them up, but if you just don't go buy into that,

01:01:18   it will just, they just live there as empty labels.

01:01:22   But what I really like about this application

01:01:26   is it has tons of third-party integrations.

01:01:28   So I'm very easily able to take an email

01:01:33   and send it to OmniFocus.

01:01:35   It will open OmniFocus, attach the whole text

01:01:37   the emails a note, which is so cool for me.

01:01:42   So like say somebody sends me ad copy,

01:01:45   I can add the whole copy that they've sent me

01:01:47   to the OmniFocus note, reminding me to write it up.

01:01:51   - Yeah, yeah, that kind of thing is really nice

01:01:54   to be able to do.

01:01:55   - They can send, there's just so many services

01:01:57   that it plugs into, and it also can do really powerful

01:02:00   things with the email messages, like turn them into PDFs.

01:02:04   It has something that I've never seen any email app do,

01:02:08   in that you can take an email and save it in a folder

01:02:11   in another email account.

01:02:13   - What?

01:02:16   - So say you have multiple email accounts.

01:02:18   - Okay.

01:02:19   - And you get an email to cgpgray1@gmail.com.

01:02:22   - Right.

01:02:23   - But really, you would like to save it in a folder

01:02:25   that you have in cgpgray3@gmail.com.

01:02:29   - Okay.

01:02:29   - It will let you take that email and save it in the folder

01:02:32   in the other email account.

01:02:33   Like it does some crazy stuff of like sending them around.

01:02:36   But it's just like a weird feature that I really like

01:02:40   because this feels like an app that is made by people

01:02:44   who deal with lots of email.

01:02:46   So it has all these crazy little things that you can do.

01:02:49   And they just had a new Mac app update come out

01:02:52   and so this is an all around system

01:02:55   which is on all of my platforms.

01:02:59   And if I want to I can snooze emails

01:03:01   but I'm not getting back into that now.

01:03:03   - Right, right. - Because I've learned

01:03:04   to live without it, and I really like it.

01:03:07   And it has one of my very favorite things,

01:03:10   and it does it so well on all my devices,

01:03:12   and this is my main reason, seriously,

01:03:15   for sticking with this.

01:03:16   - Wait, wait, if I can remember,

01:03:17   it was email notifications, is that right?

01:03:20   - No. - Is that what it was?

01:03:20   Ah. - It has notifications,

01:03:22   which is fine, a notification.

01:03:23   - I remember notifications driving you crazy

01:03:25   that you used to have an email app set up

01:03:27   solely for the notifications.

01:03:29   - That was the one time, yeah.

01:03:30   But the notifications are so good.

01:03:33   You can choose to pull down

01:03:35   and read the entire email message.

01:03:38   - Nice.

01:03:39   - Which I really like.

01:03:40   But no, my favorite feature is, you can choose this,

01:03:43   it does not mark an email as read

01:03:46   until it is opened and acted upon.

01:03:48   - Oh, and acted upon.

01:03:50   - Yes.

01:03:51   - That's nice.

01:03:52   That's a nice touch.

01:03:53   - So, 'cause I am constantly, in all of my email apps,

01:03:56   opening a message and then marking it as unread again.

01:03:59   and that drives me crazy,

01:04:00   'cause I like to leave messages as unread

01:04:04   until I do something with them.

01:04:05   And then sometimes I'll purposely mark them as read,

01:04:09   do something with the email, but leave it in my inbox

01:04:11   'cause it's something I need to catch up on,

01:04:13   but it's not an unread email anymore.

01:04:15   And that's my own weird system,

01:04:17   but I like that it has that feature

01:04:19   and it has a bunch of different things that it will do,

01:04:22   but I, yeah, I really like this application.

01:04:26   There are tons of settings, tons.

01:04:29   every setting so you can really go in and if you're willing to put the time in

01:04:34   and kind of make this the email app that you want it to be. I'm really impressed with this Gray.

01:04:38   So do you think you have found an email home?

01:04:41   I think so. That's very nice.

01:04:44   Plus they charge for the application.

01:04:48   Right. Yeah. I'm with you on this one as well.

01:04:52   I get nervous when apps don't charge. It feels like that if you're important to me

01:04:55   I would like to give you money. I would like to give you more money than you're charging

01:04:59   because I want you to be around.

01:05:00   - Yep.

01:05:01   - Charging is a feature for important apps.

01:05:05   But I think that's good.

01:05:06   You are with Air Mail, you may have found a home there.

01:05:09   And since we did that, the last show

01:05:11   where I was promoting Unibox,

01:05:14   someone pointed out to me an additional feature of Unibox

01:05:17   which has now allowed it to become my only email app.

01:05:22   So last time I mentioned I had this funny workflow

01:05:24   of flipping into mail for VIPs and then flipping back.

01:05:27   But someone sent to me that there's a feature on the message list where you can pull down

01:05:34   and have it only show messages from people who are in your contact book.

01:05:41   And that's not exactly the same as VIPs, but to me it's like a 70% solution.

01:05:49   It's good enough that if I can do this, then I don't have to bother flipping back into

01:05:56   mail.app and using a different interface. So now I can just do my entire workflow in

01:06:01   Unibox in one interface, in one place, and I'm very happy. So I have found an email home

01:06:08   and you have found an email home. For now, anyway, because the wheel always keeps turning.

01:06:13   Oh yeah, it's the great wheel of email.

01:06:15   Yeah, in a week! We'll be complaining about it again.

01:06:19   Well, in Cortex episode 1, like I'm looking at my home screen, it's a completely different

01:06:24   email application to what I'm using now. The email application on my home screen doesn't

01:06:27   even exist anymore.

01:06:31   That ugly, ugly home screen.

01:06:32   Aw, rest in peace little buddy.

01:06:35   Think about how much better your life is after you've met me.

01:06:40   Do you think that was a worthy Cortex-versary episode, Myke?

01:06:47   Well, I mean, we spoke about email.

01:06:54   I guess it's an excellent point.

01:06:56   Email is central to all of the work

01:07:01   that occurs in our lives.

01:07:03   So I think so.

01:07:04   I think maybe right there.

01:07:05   Well, yeah, it is kind of perfect

01:07:07   because the gift for a first anniversary is paper

01:07:10   and emails are just electronic paper.

01:07:14   That's the traditional gift.

01:07:15   Clocks are the modern gift.

01:07:16   What do you want me to do?

01:07:20   (laughter)

01:07:23   (laughs)