The Incomparable

275: Comprehensive Tapestry Policy


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00:01:03   be fine [TS]

00:01:04   december 2015 [TS]

00:01:08   what about everybody to be uncomfortable [TS]

00:01:09   i'm your host nation spell we are [TS]

00:01:11   continuing our celebration of holiday [TS]

00:01:14   things in early December before Star [TS]

00:01:16   Wars happens ruins everything [TS]

00:01:20   and in this episode we're going to be [TS]

00:01:21   talking about two old movies this is [TS]

00:01:23   basically in addition of old movie club [TS]

00:01:26   with a holiday spin o war movie can open [TS]

00:01:32   it sold with listen to vast very festive [TS]

00:01:34   that's the that's the christmas-themed [TS]

00:01:37   to old movie club that's nice that must [TS]

00:01:40   have cost us billions of dollars to it [TS]

00:01:42   did together taking out all the stops [TS]

00:01:44   for Christmas we're also going to be [TS]

00:01:45   talking about 1968 the line and winter [TS]

00:01:47   film not usually considered a Christmas [TS]

00:01:50   film but is set says you is set at [TS]

00:01:53   Christmastime so i would like to go [TS]

00:01:55   chronologically but I should check in [TS]

00:01:56   with our old movie sommelier himself mr. [TS]

00:01:59   Philip Michaels hello [TS]

00:02:01   dealer's choice man alright well that's [TS]

00:02:04   what that's what I have to go [TS]

00:02:05   it's thank you for selecting these films [TS]

00:02:07   but let me introduce the people who [TS]

00:02:10   watch them with us [TS]

00:02:11   well not like with us now are you [TS]

00:02:12   getting all gather on a couch together [TS]

00:02:14   no one imagined that we can all shouted [TS]

00:02:17   at peter o'toole simultaneously but [TS]

00:02:18   instead we did in our own homes i would [TS]

00:02:20   have shattered you will be quiet [TS]

00:02:22   shouting Peter O'Toole its glory Lisa [TS]

00:02:24   Schmeisser is here with us you just her [TS]

00:02:26   hello hi [TS]

00:02:28   I will defend a line in winter excellent [TS]

00:02:30   well nobody's I don't think it's on [TS]

00:02:31   trial not like Santa Claus or anything [TS]

00:02:33   dan morgan is also here LOL amity cry [TS]

00:02:36   kitties [TS]

00:02:37   I'm not in the habit of substituting for [TS]

00:02:38   serious panelist Jason thank you [TS]

00:02:41   that's a great line David Laura hello [TS]

00:02:43   hello [TS]

00:02:45   my only question tonight is what shall [TS]

00:02:47   we hang the Holly or each other and of [TS]

00:02:51   course mr. Steve let's Jason how from [TS]

00:02:54   where we started did we ever reach this [TS]

00:02:56   Christmas I'd like to know it's a it's [TS]

00:02:59   it's a good question the district [TS]

00:03:00   attorney's a Republican it's not more [TS]

00:03:03   lion in winter references in the opener [TS]

00:03:05   than I didn't disappear [TS]

00:03:07   yeah I refuse to acknowledge them quite [TS]

00:03:09   frankly I i was gonna go with its cold a [TS]

00:03:11   man's gotta do something to keep your [TS]

00:03:14   favorite guy in the movie that's there [TS]

00:03:16   you go [TS]

00:03:17   it was the movie told from his [TS]

00:03:18   perspective your Philip Michaels is [TS]

00:03:20   intoxicated madam [TS]

00:03:23   shameful to be fair we knew that it's [TS]

00:03:29   harder to make the the references that [TS]

00:03:31   involved a spinning newspaper headline [TS]

00:03:32   there are so many of those Miracle on [TS]

00:03:34   thirty-fourth Street ok Phil Miracle on [TS]

00:03:35   thirty-fourth Street this was the more [TS]

00:03:37   traditional holiday selection that you [TS]

00:03:39   made [TS]

00:03:40   yeah yeah it just as a sort of a [TS]

00:03:42   preamble to the selections here I do not [TS]

00:03:45   like Christmas movies I don't like I [TS]

00:03:48   don't like is that is [TS]

00:03:50   yeah I don't like you're Santa Claus I [TS]

00:03:52   don't like your uh your uh did whatever [TS]

00:03:56   the Christmas move your Christmas shoes [TS]

00:03:58   now oh yeah except increase the world [TS]

00:04:02   that is a brilliant movie our pots [TS]

00:04:05   Miracle on thirty-fourth Street I kind [TS]

00:04:08   of like because it has a certain [TS]

00:04:09   earnestness and and charm to it and some [TS]

00:04:13   good supporting character work and eat [TS]

00:04:16   you could do worse [TS]

00:04:17   basically you are lucky that I took an [TS]

00:04:19   oath as a host to not stab the guests [TS]

00:04:24   for saying I kind of like Miracle on [TS]

00:04:26   thirty-fourth Street when you made me [TS]

00:04:28   watch the line and winter good guy so [TS]

00:04:32   you got your Miracle on thirty-fourth [TS]

00:04:34   Street it is it is thanksgiving morning [TS]

00:04:37   you are having the macy's thanksgiving [TS]

00:04:38   day parade marine O'Hara recently [TS]

00:04:41   deceased rmk marine O'Hara she is the [TS]

00:04:44   lady who puts on the macy's thanksgiving [TS]

00:04:46   day parade on and she has got a problem [TS]

00:04:49   because her Santa is dead drunk its cold [TS]

00:04:53   a man's gotta keep water somehow he is [TS]

00:04:55   he is uh not even able to stand up [TS]

00:04:58   straight on the float [TS]

00:04:59   nope doesn't seem like he has to he just [TS]

00:05:01   has to sit in the slave kids but anyhow [TS]

00:05:03   let's recasting me from his time with [TS]

00:05:06   the whip is the problem not sure he's [TS]

00:05:07   capable of sitting I think he sort of [TS]

00:05:10   like just flat on his back because [TS]

00:05:12   either they will affect the room where [TS]

00:05:14   did they find this and in my experience [TS]

00:05:16   you just sort of wedge Santa Claus into [TS]

00:05:18   the chimney and that keeps him upright [TS]

00:05:20   throughout the Korean to the scene walks [TS]

00:05:22   on Edmund win who you might see it as a [TS]

00:05:24   right jolly old elf because he has a [TS]

00:05:27   beard like Santa and is pleasingly plump [TS]

00:05:30   for 1947 III [TS]

00:05:32   i will now feature i buy today he is he [TS]

00:05:35   is the US citizen have to cut like a [TS]

00:05:37   stake center [TS]

00:05:38   yeah uh huh buddy back 1927 he doesn't [TS]

00:05:41   need any padding [TS]

00:05:42   no she doesn't depression you know and [TS]

00:05:45   he berates drunken Santa for being drunk [TS]

00:05:48   in Santa and marine O'Hara uh the [TS]

00:05:52   presses him into action as the as the [TS]

00:05:56   replacement Santa on the float and it [TS]

00:05:58   turns out he's a big hit and everyone [TS]

00:06:00   loves them didn't know that like just [TS]

00:06:02   driving by on a float people would have [TS]

00:06:05   that relationship with me going to find [TS]

00:06:07   the boys of all kinds of macy's no yes [TS]

00:06:09   but it but in this movie and then Santa [TS]

00:06:11   addresses the crowd will keep in mind [TS]

00:06:13   that most of these people are probably [TS]

00:06:14   traumatized by the fact that they just [TS]

00:06:16   saw them strip drunk Santa down to his [TS]

00:06:18   skivvies while he was still on the float [TS]

00:06:19   those with only the people around the [TS]

00:06:21   the starting point of the float is [TS]

00:06:23   something it was a bunch of clowns that [TS]

00:06:25   did it to make city which explains a lot [TS]

00:06:27   about white people are scared of clowns [TS]

00:06:28   and this was apparently the 1946 Macy's [TS]

00:06:31   parade they actually filmed i rather [TS]

00:06:33   than and Edmund win arm who plays the [TS]

00:06:37   part with did actually delivered Santa [TS]

00:06:39   Sermon on the Mount of the end coming [TS]

00:06:42   the bases and and my toy makers the [TS]

00:06:45   Bible finally makes sense thank you it [TS]

00:06:47   is easier for a rich man to pass through [TS]

00:06:50   the eye of a needle than it is for you [TS]

00:06:52   to fly no values at macys so young so so [TS]

00:06:56   popular proves this this Santa to be [TS]

00:06:59   he's hired with very little interviewing [TS]

00:07:03   process to work at me seized during the [TS]

00:07:05   holiday season we are we then find out [TS]

00:07:08   two things one arm Santa actually thinks [TS]

00:07:11   that he is Santa he goes by the name [TS]

00:07:14   Kris Kringle when he fills out his [TS]

00:07:15   employment card he said that he lives in [TS]

00:07:17   the North Pole and his next of kin are [TS]

00:07:20   the reindeer witches really is mean to [TS]

00:07:23   mrs. Claus I think that cut out of the [TS]

00:07:25   will is a maybe this is before they [TS]

00:07:28   married macy's HR practices should come [TS]

00:07:31   under some intense scrutiny here has a [TS]

00:07:33   reason he's not living at the north pole [TS]

00:07:35   anymore obviously she's got she got the [TS]

00:07:37   igloo and all the elves was falsified [TS]

00:07:39   when they needed to the to fill out the [TS]

00:07:41   card some clerk just put it as a joke [TS]

00:07:44   is there were there were no checks they [TS]

00:07:47   just found the guy on the street and [TS]

00:07:48   gave him the job the old guy was a drunk [TS]

00:07:50   how much worse could it be [TS]

00:07:51   yeah exactly before the onions submarine [TS]

00:07:54   O'Hara and her assistant who is one of [TS]

00:07:57   those 1940s 1950s guys with a [TS]

00:07:59   pencil-thin mustaches demeanor that I [TS]

00:08:02   that I want it's not that Shellhammer [TS]

00:08:04   yeah I got a great name to do and show [TS]

00:08:06   hamburg he's is here he's the head of [TS]

00:08:09   the children's department at macys right [TS]

00:08:11   and she's a choice and Toyota part of [TS]

00:08:12   the toy department and she's like the [TS]

00:08:14   marketing person base exactly and [TS]

00:08:17   they're all 0 ol mr. Mason's gonna have [TS]

00:08:19   our high that we hired this crazy man [TS]

00:08:21   and adding to that fact is Santa is [TS]

00:08:24   telling people when they come to him [TS]

00:08:26   instead of pushing the toys that Macy's [TS]

00:08:28   wants him to push he will say up now [TS]

00:08:30   there's a shop on Lexington that has [TS]

00:08:31   that for a much better price where go to [TS]

00:08:34   Gimbels and that's going to go over well [TS]

00:08:37   except that it does go over well because [TS]

00:08:39   the people who come to Santa are so [TS]

00:08:42   impressed with his forthrightness that [TS]

00:08:44   they bow to welcome back to macys again [TS]

00:08:47   and again brand loyalty [TS]

00:08:49   yeah yeah the customer service so mr. [TS]

00:08:53   Macy rather than being angry at marine [TS]

00:08:55   O'Hara and Julian Shellhammer higher is [TS]

00:08:58   a is quite happy that this whole santa [TS]

00:09:02   thing is is going on and he he [TS]

00:09:05   the end and soon symbols is following [TS]

00:09:07   suit by telling people to to go to [TS]

00:09:09   macy's and other stores and suddenly the [TS]

00:09:12   stores are locked in a nationwide battle [TS]

00:09:14   of of niceness and not tricking the [TS]

00:09:17   customer is the the implication that [TS]

00:09:19   goes on here and there's even a summit [TS]

00:09:21   between mr. Macy and mr. gimble in which [TS]

00:09:24   in which Kris Kringle is I guess the [TS]

00:09:27   mediator and there there's lots of [TS]

00:09:29   handshaking so we we should mention a [TS]

00:09:33   little bit about Maureen O'Hara's uh [TS]

00:09:34   personal life [TS]

00:09:36   she's a divorce a with a kid scandalous [TS]

00:09:39   and the kid is in fact the movie was i [TS]

00:09:43   forget which decency organization like [TS]

00:09:46   railed against akali the Catholic [TS]

00:09:48   decency organization i believe ya can't [TS]

00:09:50   like that decent 15 [TS]

00:09:51   that right yeah graphics because because [TS]

00:09:54   a defensive war game for say oh no no [TS]

00:09:57   divorce say who is thriving and his [TS]

00:09:58   child isn't busy burning things down out [TS]

00:10:00   of anger but they couldn't make her a [TS]

00:10:02   widow because the whole point is that [TS]

00:10:04   she sort of closed off on happy nice [TS]

00:10:08   things and is very serious and [TS]

00:10:10   businesslike now and it's presumably [TS]

00:10:12   because of her near dwell husband [TS]

00:10:14   doesn't believe in fantasy or work or or [TS]

00:10:18   fiction or or telling their child about [TS]

00:10:21   Santa Claus she's passed that John's [TS]

00:10:22   going around the block the kid we should [TS]

00:10:25   mention is played by natalie wood and I [TS]

00:10:27   what I believe is her first role from [TS]

00:10:28   and she actually Lisa and I were talking [TS]

00:10:33   about this as we watch the movie [TS]

00:10:35   together mom normally both of us spies [TS]

00:10:39   child actors and then Natalie Wood is [TS]

00:10:42   actually quite good in this particularly [TS]

00:10:44   when she gives Kris Kringle they all [TS]

00:10:46   stink eye [TS]

00:10:47   yep oh yes he's got the best face in the [TS]

00:10:49   business of a child is delightful she [TS]

00:10:51   pulls on the beard that's pretty good i [TS]

00:10:54   like the moment where I after she does [TS]

00:10:56   the cute kid thing of like oh mama [TS]

00:10:58   please he doesn't have anyplace to have [TS]

00:11:00   Thanksgiving dinner and she's like all [TS]

00:11:02   right and then there's a nice line where [TS]

00:11:03   she says last great you know I didn't [TS]

00:11:06   ask the right that I do that right the [TS]

00:11:07   man you are referring to is john Payne [TS]

00:11:10   mr. Gailey building right nearly as the [TS]

00:11:13   character's name john Payne is the actor [TS]

00:11:15   he stars in one of my favorite [TS]

00:11:17   underrated film Noirs kansas city [TS]

00:11:19   confidential by the way that's a that's [TS]

00:11:21   that's when you should watch maybe [TS]

00:11:23   instead of white in the winter if you [TS]

00:11:24   chase alright thanks Thom haha he really [TS]

00:11:30   wants to get to know Maureen O'Hara and [TS]

00:11:32   why wouldn't you marine O'Hara is [TS]

00:11:33   stunning but so he uses her child to do [TS]

00:11:37   so it uses your child to church trick [TS]

00:11:40   his way into her heart and he fully [TS]

00:11:43   believes in in fantasy and happiness and [TS]

00:11:47   telling yarns and and even volunteers to [TS]

00:11:51   put up Kris Kringle when it's determine [TS]

00:11:54   the kriss kringle needs a place to live [TS]

00:11:56   since the old folks home that he was [TS]

00:11:58   living in is quite far away in Long [TS]

00:12:00   Island it's very far away although [TS]

00:12:02   admittedly he primarily let's Kris [TS]

00:12:03   Kringle into it [TS]

00:12:04   house as another another means to get [TS]

00:12:06   into marino hairspray yeah sure I well [TS]

00:12:09   most importantly there i love the line [TS]

00:12:11   I'll take care of Suzy if you'll take [TS]

00:12:13   care of her mother which is the Fermi [TS]

00:12:15   the jumping-off point of the strangers [TS]

00:12:16   on a train version of this movie haha [TS]

00:12:18   thanks i just waiting for him to say [TS]

00:12:20   crisscross the skies cost ya know John [TS]

00:12:22   pains game is strong in this movement [TS]

00:12:25   job game is not a man to be the church [TS]

00:12:28   fellas if you want to know how to warm [TS]

00:12:31   your way into a divorce is heart and I [TS]

00:12:34   wanted to share your bedroom yes haven't [TS]

00:12:36   shared your bedroom and talk to children [TS]

00:12:38   but one we haven't even gotten into his [TS]

00:12:40   successes as a as a lawyer because there [TS]

00:12:43   is a moment later in this film where he [TS]

00:12:44   he has a great moment of like front page [TS]

00:12:47   not bad right so he's got he's got it [TS]

00:12:49   all working basically he is the master [TS]

00:12:51   of the universe mr. Bayliss exactly are [TS]

00:12:54   we should also point out that all is not [TS]

00:12:57   well at macys there is at least one [TS]

00:12:58   macys employee who is not happy that [TS]

00:13:01   Kris Kringle is now working there and [TS]

00:13:03   that would be mean old Granville Sawyer [TS]

00:13:06   the the store psychiatrist psychologist [TS]

00:13:09   dr. Sawyer right he he keeps you busy [TS]

00:13:12   riding the actual doctors even though [TS]

00:13:16   he's a total fraud and charlatan and he [TS]

00:13:18   is he's not just your much to mustache [TS]

00:13:20   twirling villain he is your eyebrows [TS]

00:13:22   twirling a villain he freelances as a [TS]

00:13:25   psychiatrist in his off period [TS]

00:13:28   yes please Alfred amateur psychologist [TS]

00:13:31   and that is what brings the controversy [TS]

00:13:34   between granville Sawyer and Kris [TS]

00:13:35   Kringle to a head [TS]

00:13:37   granville sawyer didn't want him working [TS]

00:13:39   there cause he's crazy he can't work [TS]

00:13:41   here when in fact Chris creek bring Kris [TS]

00:13:43   Kringle did was I immediately identify [TS]

00:13:45   all of mr. Sawyer's neuro seas and [TS]

00:13:47   suggest that he was unhappy at home [TS]

00:13:49   which very clearly is cause then he shot [TS]

00:13:51   his wife after he leaves and so as a [TS]

00:13:54   matter of revenge basically he declares [TS]

00:13:56   Kris Kringle to be incompetent right and [TS]

00:14:00   we mentioned the armchair psychiatry [TS]

00:14:03   psychology there's a there's the [TS]

00:14:05   weirdest-looking kid in the world who [TS]

00:14:07   sweeps up at macys what what the hell is [TS]

00:14:11   now Albert all that I'll for that that [TS]

00:14:14   allegedly seventeen-year-old blog who [TS]

00:14:16   enjoy special lady [TS]

00:14:17   Santa Claus so you can make children [TS]

00:14:18   happy yeah that there's a lot of alarm [TS]

00:14:21   bells going off there with that [TS]

00:14:22   well that's you sound like mr. Sawyer [TS]

00:14:24   who tells him very much the same that [TS]

00:14:26   it's a little judgmental there also and [TS]

00:14:28   then poor guy is derided for being [TS]

00:14:29   overweight the whole time when again by [TS]

00:14:31   maybe by 1947 Sanders he doesn't need [TS]

00:14:34   any packages brusky he's a skeez but [TS]

00:14:36   he's I'd say he's reasonably I am NOT [TS]

00:14:38   body shaming him in the slightest I'm [TS]

00:14:40   behavior shaming him because now he's a [TS]

00:14:42   weirdo [TS]

00:14:43   yeah I'm here with me and he and he [TS]

00:14:45   asked the delivery room [TS]

00:14:46   gosh mr. Kringle I should do love given [TS]

00:14:49   making children happy it's always what [TS]

00:14:51   sure to get all the packages i give them [TS]

00:14:54   yeah there's a lot of bad isms floating [TS]

00:14:57   around that way one of the wonderful [TS]

00:14:58   choices sometimes you lose them [TS]

00:15:01   yeah well done Alfred you really made us [TS]

00:15:03   think yeah yeah Kris kringles garbage in [TS]

00:15:06   his pocket aces where should I put this [TS]

00:15:07   you just put it on the floor was on the [TS]

00:15:09   floor I get tired of sweeping up dust [TS]

00:15:12   there it is [TS]

00:15:13   yeah i've only seen this movie 37 times [TS]

00:15:15   he's encouraging people to throw things [TS]

00:15:17   on the floor just to keep him [TS]

00:15:18   entertained as he sweeps so granville [TS]

00:15:21   Sawyer has been doing some freelance [TS]

00:15:24   psychiatry on on poor dumb stupid [TS]

00:15:27   gullible Alfred yep and has planted all [TS]

00:15:29   sorts of ideas about what I made my [TS]

00:15:32   father apparently yes what a Reiki is [TS]

00:15:35   and this this sends a Kris Kringle into [TS]

00:15:38   a blind fury and he goes to confront [TS]

00:15:42   granville Sawyer and in the ensuing [TS]

00:15:43   argument box granville Sawyer on the [TS]

00:15:46   head with this sunbrella we're using a [TS]

00:15:48   comical welt that's a mistake it was a [TS]

00:15:50   it was my weakness [TS]

00:15:51   yes which is at the point that everyone [TS]

00:15:54   decides well turns out he is kind of [TS]

00:15:56   cookie let's send him to Bellevue and [TS]

00:15:58   Kris Kringle who up until that point has [TS]

00:16:02   shown a very good Felicity for uh [TS]

00:16:04   passing mental competency test by [TS]

00:16:08   knowing who the president was and [TS]

00:16:10   underdone Adams know each other before [TS]

00:16:13   it was under john quincy adams that that [TS]

00:16:16   mr saye doesn't know that though [TS]

00:16:18   apparently he's wrong [TS]

00:16:19   yeah you know sure but whatever ya [TS]

00:16:23   believe it was the city like [TS]

00:16:24   opinion-makers didn't have Wikipedia [TS]

00:16:26   that's right in 1947 but this time [TS]

00:16:29   around he sowed [TS]

00:16:30   rest by the whole thing and the fact [TS]

00:16:32   that he blames marino hair off for [TS]

00:16:34   setting him up that he fails the test at [TS]

00:16:38   Bellevue and it looks like he's gonna be [TS]

00:16:39   stuck in the state mental hospital for [TS]

00:16:41   quite a long [TS]

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00:19:01   the incomparable has never really [TS]

00:19:03   explained at least to my satisfaction [TS]

00:19:04   why Chris can't just go right back and [TS]

00:19:07   retake the test that he recently out you [TS]

00:19:10   will want you out of the myth male [TS]

00:19:12   confidence and mental competency tests [TS]

00:19:14   in the SATs Steve yeah he failed his [TS]

00:19:17   verbal but he did great on math now he [TS]

00:19:21   did but Fred Fred gaily john Payne comes [TS]

00:19:25   to visit him and stir and and gives him [TS]

00:19:29   a talking-to and convinces him hey [TS]

00:19:30   marine O'Hara was starting to believe in [TS]

00:19:33   you and you are getting 3 to both her [TS]

00:19:35   and the daughter and that gives edmund [TS]

00:19:37   gwenn hope and they decided to fight [TS]

00:19:39   this this fact that he's going to be [TS]

00:19:42   declared crazy and kept up in the the [TS]

00:19:44   mental institution for the the rest of [TS]

00:19:46   his life and so they challenge it at a [TS]

00:19:49   hearing presided over by the great Dean [TS]

00:19:53   lockhardt as the judge [TS]

00:19:55   oh yeah cart if you ever see his gal [TS]

00:19:58   Friday he he is the incompetent sheriff [TS]

00:20:00   and he made a career out of plane [TS]

00:20:02   basically bumbling bug-eyed officials [TS]

00:20:05   who are in over their head and he is in [TS]

00:20:07   over his head here he and and William [TS]

00:20:10   Frawley are the greatest one-two punch [TS]

00:20:12   that this film has to offer William [TS]

00:20:13   Frawley who you may recognize as good [TS]

00:20:16   old Fred Mertz is the political fixer [TS]

00:20:17   advising judge team Lockhart in this [TS]

00:20:21   case and I really think this that the [TS]

00:20:24   courtroom is going to be like I mean [TS]

00:20:26   having having watched anatomy of a [TS]

00:20:28   murder I always think the courtroom here [TS]

00:20:29   is going to be longer the last maybe [TS]

00:20:31   half hour of the movie a little bit less [TS]

00:20:33   it it and yet there there's nobody [TS]

00:20:35   better in this entire movie then William [TS]

00:20:37   Frawley and he's in like five scenes oh [TS]

00:20:40   yeah he's great and most of his most of [TS]

00:20:42   his moments on screen or just came [TS]

00:20:43   naughty nice shot his first appearance [TS]

00:20:46   he just puts the cigar in his mouth and [TS]

00:20:48   I laugh out loud [TS]

00:20:50   every time ok you got you can't you [TS]

00:20:52   can't discount his great scene where he [TS]

00:20:54   advises the judge about the all the [TS]

00:20:56   people who are going to really love him [TS]

00:20:58   after he declares that this guy that [TS]

00:21:00   Santa Claus doesn't exist then you got [TS]

00:21:02   the afl-cio on you and they're gonna [TS]

00:21:04   love you [TS]

00:21:06   yeah they didn't know his blue probably [TS]

00:21:08   a spectacular and of course the best [TS]

00:21:10   line is where he explains that the only [TS]

00:21:12   the only two votes the judge is going to [TS]

00:21:13   get a few rules that Santa is is insane [TS]

00:21:16   are his own and the district attorney at [TS]

00:21:20   the route to which that the judge says [TS]

00:21:22   the district attorneys and Republican [TS]

00:21:24   said that very satellite so good and [TS]

00:21:27   cured meat Lockhart fashion although he [TS]

00:21:29   does get his one smug line of overruled [TS]

00:21:33   but most most of what William Frawley [TS]

00:21:36   does is sit in the courtroom and nod and [TS]

00:21:38   glare at the judge and it's so great it [TS]

00:21:41   is so great it smells like the odd [TS]

00:21:43   little scene where he walks into the [TS]

00:21:44   courtroom in the bailiff sort of [TS]

00:21:46   gestures to him telling me you can't [TS]

00:21:47   smoke in the courtroom because I got the [TS]

00:21:49   other way when we just he taps the end [TS]

00:21:52   of it to show that it isn't little can [TS]

00:21:53   stick it back in his mouth he's he [TS]

00:21:55   doesn't really need to smoke the cigar [TS]

00:21:56   just as my father used to a badass he's [TS]

00:21:58   like I'll just stick the lid in my mouth [TS]

00:22:00   i'm done some interesting [TS]

00:22:03   interpretability if all you know of [TS]

00:22:06   William Frawley is Fred Mertz or or [TS]

00:22:09   uncle bob from my three sons right or [TS]

00:22:13   even he plays the priest in the Babe [TS]

00:22:15   Ruth story with William Bendix now this [TS]

00:22:17   is this is William Frawley script [TS]

00:22:19   Fraley's greatest role he's outstanding [TS]

00:22:21   down US Armed then we should also point [TS]

00:22:25   out the district attorney is played by [TS]

00:22:26   miles are women from the multi taskin it [TS]

00:22:29   slightly slightly less of a cat in this [TS]

00:22:31   movie you have it still kind of a cab [TS]

00:22:34   104 screentime no yeah [TS]

00:22:36   yes doesn't get shot it also spoiler [TS]

00:22:39   alert mom and the trial proceeds and you [TS]

00:22:44   know we find out that in addition to [TS]

00:22:46   being really good at willing widows john [TS]

00:22:49   Payne is a pretty hard widows divorces [TS]

00:22:51   john Payne is also on a very good [TS]

00:22:54   attorney because he's got he's got the [TS]

00:22:56   courtroom spinning and he's discredited [TS]

00:22:58   granville Sawyer not that takes much he [TS]

00:23:01   gets mr. Macy to provide [TS]

00:23:03   some stand that he believes Kris Kringle [TS]

00:23:06   is actually Santa Claus and i love that [TS]

00:23:08   scene to spinning newspapers a whole [TS]

00:23:11   maybe the beauty of of so much of this [TS]

00:23:13   film is in these moments of it's very [TS]

00:23:17   easy to see two movies that are just [TS]

00:23:18   completely just kind of head in the [TS]

00:23:20   clouds and their movies that are very [TS]

00:23:22   cynical and this movie really walks a [TS]

00:23:24   line where it's got a lot of both and [TS]

00:23:26   and i love how it how it mixes them all [TS]

00:23:28   together and so here you know [TS]

00:23:30   yes this is a shiny happy movie about [TS]

00:23:32   Santa Claus and all that but when mr. [TS]

00:23:34   Macy is on the stand [TS]

00:23:36   I mean he's he's basically lying under [TS]

00:23:39   oath was imagining headlines that Miss [TS]

00:23:41   Maisie declares Santa colossal froggy [TS]

00:23:44   cannot renounce his own Santa Claus in [TS]

00:23:47   the applicants so he goes along with it [TS]

00:23:49   and and and yes but his putting [TS]

00:23:50   headlines appear before him it's just [TS]

00:23:52   great he also sees the smiling [TS]

00:23:54   children's faces true i think in that [TS]

00:23:56   few seconds you realize maybe he really [TS]

00:23:58   does Billy though I really watching this [TS]

00:24:00   movie with my girlfriend who is a [TS]

00:24:01   business who went to business school [TS]

00:24:02   point out that everybody acts in self [TS]

00:24:04   interest in capitalism basically [TS]

00:24:06   throughout the entire movie [TS]

00:24:08   yeah yeah no this is a very Pro [TS]

00:24:10   capitalism movie yeah the entire movie [TS]

00:24:11   is a love letter to acquiring stuff just [TS]

00:24:14   like it's also love letter to white [TS]

00:24:16   flight [TS]

00:24:16   I'm it's just it's i-i've never feel [TS]

00:24:19   like more of a communist then after [TS]

00:24:21   watching it a lot of isms out there Lisa [TS]

00:24:24   well but I very worse just communist am [TS]

00:24:27   i right senator mccarthy yeah that it's [TS]

00:24:30   it was just you just let me keep working [TS]

00:24:32   in the movies [TS]

00:24:33   oh you know heaven forfend some child [TS]

00:24:35   not not get a toy you get she got a [TS]

00:24:37   house that was the thing i did portal [TS]

00:24:39   had to put up with me sputtering 45 [TS]

00:24:41   minutes because I was like you know in [TS]

00:24:43   20 I was like in 30 years this child's [TS]

00:24:45   gonna regret having your mother out of [TS]

00:24:46   Manhattan real estate prices begin the [TS]

00:24:48   rebound but she's not and the reason is [TS]

00:24:50   that they live in a magical world where [TS]

00:24:52   Santa Claus isn't actually real [TS]

00:24:54   that's the answer here is yeah and so [TS]

00:24:56   that way the real did that in that [TS]

00:24:58   affects real estate markets too because [TS]

00:24:59   Santa can just move people around it [TS]

00:25:01   with is not magic exists anything can [TS]

00:25:03   happen [TS]

00:25:04   the VI is like you lease i struggle and [TS]

00:25:07   and Lauren struggles to i know it and [TS]

00:25:09   this is her favorite movie I actually [TS]

00:25:10   hadn't seen this movie until about ten [TS]

00:25:11   years ago and i love it i love it [TS]

00:25:14   unreservedly but it's [TS]

00:25:16   almost like i love it despite all these [TS]

00:25:19   things that should make me hate it and [TS]

00:25:21   and you you mentioned some of it there [TS]

00:25:24   is a very clear message here that what's [TS]

00:25:27   really important is believing in things [TS]

00:25:28   that aren't real and i know i don't [TS]

00:25:32   agree with that at all i completely [TS]

00:25:34   disagree that in fact yes i am one of [TS]

00:25:36   those people who refuse to tell their [TS]

00:25:37   children that Santa Claus was real well [TS]

00:25:40   because that he's not but I so I'm i [TS]

00:25:43   guess i'm on on lots marino era side yet [TS]

00:25:46   boiler gta4 whoa [TS]

00:25:48   we're gonna take this we're gonna take [TS]

00:25:50   this to court all of our elementary [TS]

00:25:53   school-aged incomparable listeners are [TS]

00:25:55   now sobbing uncontrollably [TS]

00:25:57   yeah right i'm gonna reveal whether [TS]

00:25:59   Santa Claus is real after the sound of [TS]

00:26:02   the spoiler orange I think using your [TS]

00:26:09   point though that this movie really does [TS]

00:26:11   a good job of yet has the well just [TS]

00:26:14   believe in fairytales and everything's [TS]

00:26:16   great but it also has the it look just [TS]

00:26:19   kill you too exact long and be nice or [TS]

00:26:22   and where does it kill you to recommend [TS]

00:26:24   something at Gimbels or in the end is [TS]

00:26:26   that actually better you're like [TS]

00:26:28   reconsidering your you know it is about [TS]

00:26:31   enlightened self-interest but it's also [TS]

00:26:32   like don't be cut don't be such a jerk [TS]

00:26:34   because there are ways to be nice and [TS]

00:26:37   empathetic and still have it be good for [TS]

00:26:40   you watching this movie this time around [TS]

00:26:42   it's very reminiscent of another movie [TS]

00:26:43   that came out like a few years later on [TS]

00:26:46   the original angels in the outfield [TS]

00:26:47   which again it to get you just should [TS]

00:26:51   hate this movie because if there's [TS]

00:26:52   angels helping baseball team won a [TS]

00:26:54   pennant and then it should just be the [TS]

00:26:56   small T there's an orphan and she sees [TS]

00:26:59   the angels and but it really kind of [TS]

00:27:02   straddles the line number between the [TS]

00:27:06   this sort of head in the clouds [TS]

00:27:08   it ate everything wonderful and kinda [TS]

00:27:11   real world not cynicism but a real uh [TS]

00:27:15   realism that and and and the end of it [TS]

00:27:18   is [TS]

00:27:19   hey just be a nice person and also that [TS]

00:27:23   ends with a rush [TS]

00:27:24   I'm trying okay so also do it when [TS]

00:27:28   you're done watching kansas city [TS]

00:27:29   confidential with john Payne we don't [TS]

00:27:31   watch angels in the outfield alright [TS]

00:27:32   Janet Leigh and done thanks for building [TS]

00:27:34   my your building my playlist oh this [TS]

00:27:36   movie's interesting just because it [TS]

00:27:38   shows you with it it's basically a [TS]

00:27:39   forecast the nineteen fifties when you [TS]

00:27:41   look at it though because some it lays [TS]

00:27:44   down a lot of the a lot of the narrative [TS]

00:27:47   for you know consumed by will gratify [TS]

00:27:50   you it will make you a better person you [TS]

00:27:52   will feel like your dreams are coming [TS]

00:27:53   true [TS]

00:27:54   you know and that that the put that the [TS]

00:27:57   post-war cultures is just beginning to [TS]

00:27:58   take off at this point and i feel like [TS]

00:28:00   this movie represents kind of a cultural [TS]

00:28:02   inflection point that took you right [TS]

00:28:03   into the nineteen-fifties and the [TS]

00:28:05   explicit the invention of explicit [TS]

00:28:07   marketing toward children and you know [TS]

00:28:10   again the movement to the suburbs which [TS]

00:28:12   was done for a wide variety of reasons [TS]

00:28:13   both economic and sociological 17 years [TS]

00:28:15   before before Charlie Brown Christmas [TS]

00:28:17   which also decried Christmas [TS]

00:28:21   commercialism and i laughed at that [TS]

00:28:22   because this movie does the exact same [TS]

00:28:23   thing and again charlie brown christmas [TS]

00:28:26   brought to you by coca-cola and here we [TS]

00:28:28   have you know it's the entire story of a [TS]

00:28:29   department store and yet they are [TS]

00:28:31   decrying Christmas commercialism I just [TS]

00:28:33   think it's funny that that was not a new [TS]

00:28:35   thing at and Kris kringles decrying [TS]

00:28:38   Christmas commercialism for the last 50 [TS]

00:28:40   years is this coming up when I was [TS]

00:28:42   watching this was like you know he talks [TS]

00:28:44   about the the meaning of Christmas going [TS]

00:28:46   away and I was sort of like digging [TS]

00:28:48   around a little bit because I was [TS]

00:28:49   curious just how long you know how long [TS]

00:28:51   is this this perception that we still [TS]

00:28:53   hold today right [TS]

00:28:54   the christmas has been diluted has [TS]

00:28:56   become about shopping and toys and all [TS]

00:28:58   of this stuff and not about you know [TS]

00:29:00   being kind your neighbors and reaching [TS]

00:29:02   out to people etc like how long has this [TS]

00:29:04   been going on and the answer is [TS]

00:29:05   according to official 18th century 21 in [TS]

00:29:08   sensory you know wasn't doing that [TS]

00:29:10   during the Depression you think I mean [TS]

00:29:12   all I could just site Santa Claus and [TS]

00:29:14   saying that he's sad about the last 50 [TS]

00:29:16   years this is a delusional man that we [TS]

00:29:17   don't know if he has the graph of [TS]

00:29:18   actions finally I i take away the exact [TS]

00:29:21   opposite from it but maybe that's just [TS]

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00:31:12   hey john Payne hotshot attorney and [TS]

00:31:16   Ladykiller you think that you can get [TS]

00:31:19   someone to categorically prove that this [TS]

00:31:22   crazy old man is Santa Claus and [TS]

00:31:25   champagnes all I don't know and so it's [TS]

00:31:29   not looking good for all Kris Kringle [TS]

00:31:30   that which is when we cut to the the [TS]

00:31:32   mailroom at the US Postal Service we're [TS]

00:31:35   basically of the workers of the world [TS]

00:31:39   are are united in favor of Santa Claus [TS]

00:31:41   they're getting these are letters that [TS]

00:31:43   are addressed to Kris Kringle at the [TS]

00:31:45   courthouse and [TS]

00:31:47   one of the postal worker says hey we get [TS]

00:31:50   all these letters friend to CNN we put [TS]

00:31:52   in the dead letter office [TS]

00:31:53   let's send him to the courthouse so the [TS]

00:31:56   trial is wrapping up it's not looking [TS]

00:31:58   good for Kris Kringle when suddenly and [TS]

00:32:00   if you've never seen Miracle on [TS]

00:32:01   thirty-fourth Street you've doubtlessly [TS]

00:32:04   seen some sort of homage onto the scene [TS]

00:32:08   where john Payne whips up the letter [TS]

00:32:10   that's been sent to the courthouse said [TS]

00:32:12   he says here here's a letter that [TS]

00:32:13   someone sent to Santa and the judge i [TS]

00:32:16   believe it's the judge it might be it [TS]

00:32:18   might be District Attorney miles Archer [TS]

00:32:20   says one letter what does that prove it [TS]

00:32:23   hits bring in boy yeah seven sacks of [TS]

00:32:27   mail from there on my desk and WS and [TS]

00:32:31   young Todd judged gene Lockhart's desk [TS]

00:32:33   which proves because the federal [TS]

00:32:36   government says that this guy's sentence [TS]

00:32:38   should get the mail [TS]

00:32:40   therefore Edmund Quinn AK Kris Kringle [TS]

00:32:43   AKA crazy old man is in fact Santa so [TS]

00:32:47   this movie is really about a strong [TS]

00:32:49   federal government and how important [TS]

00:32:51   that is doing exactly [TS]

00:32:53   now do you like it Lisa it's all about [TS]

00:32:55   government intervention communism I [TS]

00:32:57   commercialism and that's our workers of [TS]

00:32:59   the world saving the day it's about the [TS]

00:33:02   proletariat come on [TS]

00:33:03   so really its many things to all people [TS]

00:33:06   is everything alright it's terrible it's [TS]

00:33:09   a guy in a red suit in a black boys you [TS]

00:33:11   ready yeah is it red though we don't [TS]

00:33:12   even know mostly it's just a very funny [TS]

00:33:14   movie which is there that's right it is [TS]

00:33:16   it's funny and it's charm it holds up to [TS]

00:33:18   it hold up it mean as a you know 68-year [TS]

00:33:22   old movie it's still pretty entertaining [TS]

00:33:25   it it it really is for very funny very [TS]

00:33:28   entertaining [TS]

00:33:29   it's a good family movie i think i was [TS]

00:33:31   actually yeah more to the story [TS]

00:33:34   what because as Lisa mentioned earlier [TS]

00:33:38   in the movie The Skeptical Natalie Wood [TS]

00:33:40   character says okay if you're Santa you [TS]

00:33:43   bring me what I want for Christmas will [TS]

00:33:45   of course little girl what you want [TS]

00:33:46   property real Natalie Wood 16 likely [TS]

00:33:50   yeah Natalie Wood wants to move out on [TS]

00:33:53   out of Manhattan and into the suburbs [TS]

00:33:55   and so she show santa picture of a house [TS]

00:34:00   yes that's all saturday doesn't have [TS]

00:34:03   enough for a down payment all and they [TS]

00:34:07   that that plot line is dropped and [TS]

00:34:09   Natalie would see Santa get out well [TS]

00:34:11   it's great that he's not crazy but he's [TS]

00:34:13   also just a nice guy with a beard [TS]

00:34:14   because he didn't get me what I wanted [TS]

00:34:16   for Christmas and uh they're driving [TS]

00:34:20   home from the party on a roof that Santa [TS]

00:34:22   gave them here drive this way [TS]

00:34:24   san Diego's her roots by the way he's [TS]

00:34:26   very good at now he is the mapquest of [TS]

00:34:28   the nineteen forties and they drive by [TS]

00:34:32   this house that is for sale that [TS]

00:34:35   surprisingly like the house fit Natalie [TS]

00:34:37   Wood was asking for [TS]

00:34:38   oh no I got me up and that is when john [TS]

00:34:43   Payne like closes the deal with Moreno [TS]

00:34:45   era it's me let's buy this house you [TS]

00:34:48   can't say no you'll disappoint your kids [TS]

00:34:50   well as as my girlfriend also pointed [TS]

00:34:52   out they've been dating since maybe [TS]

00:34:53   thanksgiving yeah it's Christmas latest [TS]

00:34:56   a whirlwind romance john Payne is like [TS]

00:34:59   you said he is he's he's a slick [TS]

00:35:01   operator gotta work fast in 1947 you [TS]

00:35:03   don't know whether you're going to get [TS]

00:35:04   the grip and yeah the korean war is [TS]

00:35:06   about to break out in 34 years you might [TS]

00:35:09   get set off to so maybe we should be a [TS]

00:35:12   whip there's a bit of dialogue where he [TS]

00:35:14   says you know let's go have dinner at [TS]

00:35:16   the usual place so there's this you get [TS]

00:35:18   the impression that this is actually we [TS]

00:35:20   just haven't seen it there is a [TS]

00:35:21   whirlwind romance going on behind the [TS]

00:35:23   scenes because they give that piece of [TS]

00:35:25   dialogue we have we see very little [TS]

00:35:26   evidence of it but it's very clearly [TS]

00:35:28   happening there is a scene where I I [TS]

00:35:30   felt like you know in our conversation [TS]

00:35:31   that came to our conversation about the [TS]

00:35:33   empire strikes back I turn to my au turn [TS]

00:35:35   my girlfriend is it do you think they've [TS]

00:35:37   had sex but this point and she looks at [TS]

00:35:39   them in the screen where he like she [TS]

00:35:41   like puts a hand on her shoulder and she [TS]

00:35:42   goes [TS]

00:35:42   yo yeah well she's a divorce a young [TS]

00:35:44   she's known the test of a man's already [TS]

00:35:47   way too i reacting so he's a lawyer what [TS]

00:35:51   yeah so i wanted to mention a while [TS]

00:35:53   sorry Phil you you have that we keep [TS]

00:35:55   interrupting your magical conclusion [TS]

00:35:57   head big and exactly thank you Jason for [TS]

00:36:00   recognizing my magic maybe I'm Santa [TS]

00:36:03   Claus maybe sotelo let's prove it a man [TS]

00:36:05   needs something to keep warm so what [TS]

00:36:07   happens is they're they're saying well [TS]

00:36:10   isn't this a coinkydink that we wound up [TS]

00:36:12   to [TS]

00:36:12   house and then they notice haha by the [TS]

00:36:15   fireplace it's a cane just like the one [TS]

00:36:18   the kriss kringle uses oh no oh my god [TS]

00:36:21   killer leaves a signature that's already [TS]

00:36:23   followed them there it came from inside [TS]

00:36:26   the house is waiting inside the closet [TS]

00:36:28   and the moment that the cameras cut they [TS]

00:36:31   are dead yep [TS]

00:36:32   grandpa's this friday because we hit [TS]

00:36:36   Sawyer with an umbrella though I was [TS]

00:36:38   completed out of brother somebody was [TS]

00:36:40   easy with the cane people back and forth [TS]

00:36:42   between the came in the umbrella it he [TS]

00:36:44   hits him on the head and it then raises [TS]

00:36:46   a bump and developed and the point of [TS]

00:36:48   guys you a question mr. Macy personally [TS]

00:36:50   fires granville Sawyer in the courtroom [TS]

00:36:53   don't be unemployed and I'm happy at [TS]

00:36:55   Christmastime everyone within the early [TS]

00:36:58   part of the film he has the cane with [TS]

00:36:59   him but when he realizes that the [TS]

00:37:01   umbrella is actually better for bringing [TS]

00:37:03   new smart realizes he doesn't need to [TS]

00:37:05   keep your website he discards it that I [TS]

00:37:07   do like mr. Bailey's final wine which is [TS]

00:37:09   that maybe he didn't do such a wonderful [TS]

00:37:11   day after all [TS]

00:37:12   yeah that's great he's crazy too [TS]

00:37:15   although as a kid that line really [TS]

00:37:16   confused me [TS]

00:37:17   it's a you know and then I guess really [TS]

00:37:19   at the end maureen o'hara believes in [TS]

00:37:20   the possibility of magic again because [TS]

00:37:22   she's already been made to believe she [TS]

00:37:24   signs the letter that Susie rights said [TS]

00:37:26   giving you two [TS]

00:37:27   yes but this is the final clincher like [TS]

00:37:28   maybe he was real all along [TS]

00:37:31   what do I care i'm going to bed with [TS]

00:37:32   john Payne tonight he says i love I'd [TS]

00:37:37   like so the moment got me this time and [TS]

00:37:38   it get sometimes it gets mean sometimes [TS]

00:37:40   it doesn't doesn't but this time it did [TS]

00:37:42   is the moment where he's a so he's he's [TS]

00:37:44   listening to all the all the kids who [TS]

00:37:48   are coming into macy's and sit on [TS]

00:37:49   Santa's lap and they asked for it and [TS]

00:37:50   the first is the lady who's the most New [TS]

00:37:52   York lady operator where she's like [TS]

00:37:55   writer we get it [TS]

00:37:56   I don't get you tell me to go to me [TS]

00:37:58   symbols even is our mutual [TS]

00:38:00   I don't get it she just keeps saying [TS]

00:38:02   it's so new york it's so amazing but the [TS]

00:38:05   one that gets me is the the little Dutch [TS]

00:38:07   girl the Dutch girl I mean I mean [TS]

00:38:09   because when you think it's a cute scene [TS]

00:38:11   because he knows he can he just like I [TS]

00:38:13   told her you don't speak Dutch he speaks [TS]

00:38:15   Dutch and they sing the center class [TS]

00:38:16   song was about to class got a boo-boo [TS]

00:38:19   it's so great but think about why she's [TS]

00:38:21   a Dutch orphan in the 1940s her parents [TS]

00:38:24   were killed if not in the Holocaust [TS]

00:38:26   you know in world war two and she has [TS]

00:38:28   been shipped over to the United States [TS]

00:38:30   to find a new family and it is it gets a [TS]

00:38:34   little dusty when I when she's just so [TS]

00:38:36   sad so enjoyed your eyes are so wide and [TS]

00:38:40   just haunted [TS]

00:38:41   oh and then Santa Claus is like he's got [TS]

00:38:43   the Dutch songs and all of that knits [TS]

00:38:45   and when he asks her in Dutch what she [TS]

00:38:47   wants she basically says I don't need [TS]

00:38:49   anything because I have a family now [TS]

00:38:51   Oh gets me every time oh maybe he really [TS]

00:38:55   is Santa Claus you Santa Claus dad I [TS]

00:38:59   would need approved by a competent [TS]

00:39:00   authority federal government little [TS]

00:39:02   Johnny shang let's take you to the judge [TS]

00:39:05   he's crazy too [TS]

00:39:06   so like as i mentioned earlier this is [TS]

00:39:09   my wife's favorite Christmas movie end [TS]

00:39:11   as i said before you know she can't [TS]

00:39:14   explain it either [TS]

00:39:15   she is you know she she's Jewish [TS]

00:39:18   she is not particularly a believer in [TS]

00:39:21   any of the other in anything and yet so [TS]

00:39:24   therefore this movie should have no [TS]

00:39:25   residence hall and yet it is delightful [TS]

00:39:27   and she showed it to me for the first [TS]

00:39:28   time whatever ten years ago it and I [TS]

00:39:30   agree completely this is my favorite [TS]

00:39:31   Christmas movie i love it's strange [TS]

00:39:33   mixture of like never too cynical never [TS]

00:39:38   to glassy-eyed uh funny people out for [TS]

00:39:42   their own self-interest but also [TS]

00:39:43   learning some things along the way very [TS]

00:39:45   new york in a in a forties New York way [TS]

00:39:48   that I kind of love I you know I i think [TS]

00:39:51   that uh that mr. Gailey that john Payne [TS]

00:39:54   does is great i think just just [TS]

00:39:56   spectacular in the way he like he said [TS]

00:39:58   he's got the game he is playing the [TS]

00:40:00   games he's playing the legal games the [TS]

00:40:02   romancing marine O'Hara so good and [TS]

00:40:05   edmund gwenn is fantastic [TS]

00:40:07   I mean you if ever there was a man you [TS]

00:40:09   would believe in Santa Claus is that man [TS]

00:40:11   so I love this movie it is just a [TS]

00:40:13   there's something about it it walks the [TS]

00:40:15   line it doesn't go too far to to you [TS]

00:40:19   know into areas that would make it i [TS]

00:40:20   think not as pleasant a movie twist my [TS]

00:40:22   arm and I guess I kind of like it all [TS]

00:40:24   your heart grew one size [TS]

00:40:27   yeah just my heart's really about the [TS]

00:40:29   same size i agree with you completely [TS]

00:40:31   i'm not sure i put this in my as my [TS]

00:40:34   first favorite but it's definitely in [TS]

00:40:36   the top three I loved it since I was a [TS]

00:40:38   kid my dad and [TS]

00:40:39   reduce me to it and that was back before [TS]

00:40:42   i got the the more adult humor that you [TS]

00:40:46   know the knowing looks being exchanged [TS]

00:40:48   between Fred Mertz and the judge and all [TS]

00:40:49   the other stuff it's just it's it's it's [TS]

00:40:52   really sweet and it's genuinely funny [TS]

00:40:54   and i'm not bothered at all by the fact [TS]

00:40:57   that a Christmas movie suggest that you [TS]

00:41:00   should put faith in something that you [TS]

00:41:01   can't necessarily see so I think it's [TS]

00:41:04   great [TS]

00:41:05   yeah i agree with Steve on that I mean [TS]

00:41:06   I've seen this movie probably I I think [TS]

00:41:08   saying 30 x is probably not unreasonable [TS]

00:41:11   given i think i've watched this movie [TS]

00:41:12   every Christmas for most of my life [TS]

00:41:15   it's one of my mom's favorite movies i [TS]

00:41:16   started watching it when when I was kid [TS]

00:41:19   and like Steve I agree you know even as [TS]

00:41:22   someone who maybe not but may not [TS]

00:41:24   believe in Santa Claus i do you think [TS]

00:41:26   the idea of you know there are [TS]

00:41:27   intangible things to believe in is a [TS]

00:41:29   worthwhile message because there are [TS]

00:41:31   concepts at least if nothing else as [TS]

00:41:33   mister day as mr. Gailey points out that [TS]

00:41:36   are that are worth something in the end [TS]

00:41:37   its start your great performances all [TS]

00:41:41   around it's it's well-written it's a [TS]

00:41:43   funny movie there are a lot of movies [TS]

00:41:45   from this area and from earlier is that [TS]

00:41:46   don't hold up and this one really does [TS]

00:41:49   and it manages to be genuine [TS]

00:41:52   I think about a lot of things so and I i [TS]

00:41:55   never really took away any of the [TS]

00:41:56   commercialism complaints about it i [TS]

00:41:58   guess maybe I store took that as a [TS]

00:41:59   younger kid i internalized that the text [TS]

00:42:02   more than the subtext so yeah this is [TS]

00:42:05   definitely in my top christmas movies [TS]

00:42:08   i'd say it's probably like number two [TS]

00:42:09   like we're behind die hard but hey [TS]

00:42:11   oh no it's perfect Jeff Luc very similar [TS]

00:42:14   it's easily in my top five more but it [TS]

00:42:18   probably number five [TS]

00:42:20   but yeah i love i love the earnestness [TS]

00:42:22   without being square or overly corny [TS]

00:42:26   it's like it has a nice balance between [TS]

00:42:28   the humor and and the just genuineness [TS]

00:42:31   of it for a dissenting opinion we go to [TS]

00:42:33   judge miser she's crazy to read verses [TS]

00:42:41   waving a cigar and her right eye I only [TS]

00:42:44   saw the movie for the first time last [TS]

00:42:45   night so I [TS]

00:42:48   yeah well you know how you're always [TS]

00:42:51   parents introduced me to this movie I [TS]

00:42:53   associate with christmas everyone is [TS]

00:42:55   saying that is very sweet and I like [TS]

00:42:57   thinking about the movies that make up [TS]

00:42:58   your internal holiday traditions i come [TS]

00:43:01   from a family where our family christmas [TS]

00:43:02   was the lion in winter so off it's why [TS]

00:43:06   we do not watch me and why I did not get [TS]

00:43:08   around to Miracle on thirty-fourth [TS]

00:43:09   Street why did a lot [TS]

00:43:10   test about it i will say that my [TS]

00:43:12   grandparents who we lived with when I [TS]

00:43:15   was a child and my mother hated this [TS]

00:43:17   movie so I didn't see it until I was [TS]

00:43:19   growing up either [TS]

00:43:20   there's a lot of terrible people out [TS]

00:43:21   there David that's right some of the [TS]

00:43:23   worst our cover so people blossoms that [TS]

00:43:27   moist I like i said i found the movie to [TS]

00:43:31   be fascinating because I feel like it's [TS]

00:43:32   sort of a snapshot that anticipates a [TS]

00:43:35   lot of the cultural currents of the [TS]

00:43:37   nineteen fifties yeah [TS]

00:43:38   reverberating down it's a fifties movie [TS]

00:43:41   it is the United 47 well that's what is [TS]

00:43:44   it basically is it it basically [TS]

00:43:46   encapsulate suppose for ethos and how [TS]

00:43:49   people are beginning to move on with [TS]

00:43:50   your lives after the war and i find that [TS]

00:43:53   kind of transitional period really [TS]

00:43:55   fascinating so when I was watching the [TS]

00:43:56   movie and thinking about how this movie [TS]

00:43:59   was kind of capturing a society and flex [TS]

00:44:01   for people are still fucking figuring [TS]

00:44:02   out their rules once they return to the [TS]

00:44:03   states like that that's what made the [TS]

00:44:06   movie interesting to me and I like all [TS]

00:44:07   the period details because i'm a sucker [TS]

00:44:10   for vintage decor and Natalie Wood has [TS]

00:44:13   one of the best dirty looks in the [TS]

00:44:16   business i'm looking forward to showing [TS]

00:44:17   this to Trixie um you know it'll be [TS]

00:44:20   interesting to see what her reaction is [TS]

00:44:21   to it [TS]

00:44:22   where another family that doesn't talk [TS]

00:44:23   about Santa on like she'll bring it home [TS]

00:44:25   and say Santa this and that right hmmm [TS]

00:44:27   interesting belief system you got there [TS]

00:44:29   but we don't push it we don't use it as [TS]

00:44:32   like sometimes I regret the decision [TS]

00:44:34   because we can't use them as a threat [TS]

00:44:35   but that's what he's there for now [TS]

00:44:39   yeah but other than that you know we [TS]

00:44:40   don't push it and it'll be interesting [TS]

00:44:43   to see what her take is when you know my [TS]

00:44:45   god there's a child is insurance [TS]

00:44:46   worldview you know it's it's it's [TS]

00:44:49   pleasant enough it's not one of my least [TS]

00:44:51   favorite Christmas oh I in all [TS]

00:44:55   seriousness i would say that on the [TS]

00:44:57   video blur i would [TS]

00:44:58   I'm i would say give it give it give [TS]

00:45:00   another look because I think there are a [TS]

00:45:01   lot of levels to this film and and that [TS]

00:45:03   if what you come away with is about the [TS]

00:45:05   commercialism of it i mean i think the [TS]

00:45:07   point the film is actually to the the [TS]

00:45:09   people who are rising above the [TS]

00:45:10   commercialism it is set at macys so yes [TS]

00:45:13   that's true but that's what Chris is [TS]

00:45:15   more point is you know he's doing things [TS]

00:45:18   like making that little Dutch girl happy [TS]

00:45:20   and you know that it's more important [TS]

00:45:23   things than the commercials which is why [TS]

00:45:25   he sends people to Gimbels I mean it [TS]

00:45:26   happens that forms a perfect synergy [TS]

00:45:28   with macy wanting to get more people [TS]

00:45:30   into his store but that's not the whole [TS]

00:45:31   reason why you did it but still you [TS]

00:45:33   gotta move product and i write those I i [TS]

00:45:36   am impressed with how competent they [TS]

00:45:38   allow Doris Walker to be as the single [TS]

00:45:40   female divorce a.m she's she's doing it [TS]

00:45:43   for herself I mean she's risen up high [TS]

00:45:45   in the in the chain and macy she's in [TS]

00:45:47   charge of the whole parade yeah well at [TS]

00:45:48   least it was quite we're not that far [TS]

00:45:50   removed from an area where to world war [TS]

00:45:53   two when women were quite commonly in [TS]

00:45:56   the workplace because no one else was [TS]

00:45:57   was around saying this would not have [TS]

00:46:00   been I I don't think shocking except if [TS]

00:46:03   you're in the the Catholic defense [TS]

00:46:04   league or whatever the hell was that [TS]

00:46:06   protest well I'm heartened that they [TS]

00:46:08   stuck with it for at least a couple [TS]

00:46:09   years at war until until Eisenhower came [TS]

00:46:12   around and set us all street she does [TS]

00:46:14   put clowns on the pirate float in the [TS]

00:46:16   opening scene which I find some horses [TS]

00:46:18   in America yeah yeah yeahs Connor she is [TS]

00:46:22   she's concerned about how crisp has [TS]

00:46:25   latent maniacal tendencies but she [TS]

00:46:27   doesn't seem to have a problem with [TS]

00:46:28   letting him touch her daughter into bed [TS]

00:46:29   with a check find a little strange but [TS]

00:46:32   otherwise very competent well you know [TS]

00:46:34   you went through that those busy single [TS]

00:46:35   working mothers need to need to you that [TS]

00:46:38   utilizes much second party help us take [TS]

00:46:40   a man you got Santa Claus to put your [TS]

00:46:42   kid to bed you make use of that exactly [TS]

00:46:44   I think we would be remiss if we did not [TS]

00:46:45   mention the greatest newspaper headline [TS]

00:46:48   of all time [TS]

00:46:49   oh yes yes please Kris Kringle crazy [TS]

00:46:53   court case coming calamity cry kitties [TS]

00:46:56   ok ok yes also I i do like at some point [TS]

00:47:00   when they when when [TS]

00:47:03   Charlie the political fixer is telling [TS]

00:47:05   the judge you know why you shouldn't say [TS]

00:47:07   there's no Santa Claus and he mentions [TS]

00:47:09   the kids reading the newspaper which i [TS]

00:47:10   kinda liked wasn't supposed to call i [TS]

00:47:12   gagged I guess the kids probably were [TS]

00:47:14   reading the newspaper said that point so [TS]

00:47:18   i think yeah they had to get informed [TS]

00:47:20   somehow there was no twitter for the [TS]

00:47:21   latest on the very next moment where [TS]

00:47:23   where he sees that the case has gotten [TS]

00:47:26   put up on the on the front page and he's [TS]

00:47:28   like oh this is good this is good this [TS]

00:47:30   is good for me it's good for my business [TS]

00:47:31   it's good that we're getting the [TS]

00:47:32   publicity the newspaper is a big part of [TS]

00:47:35   that too and yes [TS]

00:47:36   in addition to the the calamity cry [TS]

00:47:39   kitties i love the the line early on [TS]

00:47:41   about these pirius Santa Clauses that's [TS]

00:47:44   just fantastic [TS]

00:47:46   substituting for experienced Santa [TS]

00:47:47   Clauses also never noticed until this [TS]

00:47:50   viewing that the employee elevator at [TS]

00:47:52   macy's is far too small for this is that [TS]

00:47:55   building apparently she and Shellhammer [TS]

00:47:58   doors walker and Cheryl Shellhammer have [TS]

00:48:00   to wedge themselves out from behind [TS]

00:48:02   about 60 people in order to get to the [TS]

00:48:04   meeting with macy alright let me tell [TS]

00:48:06   you about a sponsor on the uncomfortable [TS]

00:48:07   this is a is a good one [TS]

00:48:09   it's a kickstarter project for max [TS]

00:48:11   Temkin co-creator of cards against [TS]

00:48:12   humanity [TS]

00:48:13   it's got an interesting name are you [TS]

00:48:15   ready here it is it secret [TS]

00:48:17   Hitler that's right now you may be [TS]

00:48:18   saying to yourself why would you put [TS]

00:48:20   Hitler in the name of a product but [TS]

00:48:22   you've got here with this product is and [TS]

00:48:25   it'll make sense and i also subscribe to [TS]

00:48:27   the mel brooks line of thought which is [TS]

00:48:30   the more things we can say to demean or [TS]

00:48:32   mock hitler the better anyway secret [TS]

00:48:37   Hitler is a game it's a inspired by [TS]

00:48:41   classic party games like mafia or [TS]

00:48:43   werewolf or the resistance if you know [TS]

00:48:45   those it introduces some new mechanics [TS]

00:48:46   to the genre anyway if you're familiar [TS]

00:48:49   with any of those sort of social [TS]

00:48:50   deduction games you will get a little [TS]

00:48:52   bit about what secret Hitler is all [TS]

00:48:54   about the liberal team is trying to keep [TS]

00:48:57   control of the government this is [TS]

00:48:58   definitely inspired by the rise of the [TS]

00:49:00   Nazis in World before world war two and [TS]

00:49:04   they are a majority group right but they [TS]

00:49:06   have distrust and they need to learn to [TS]

00:49:08   work together to overcome fascism and [TS]

00:49:11   assassinate Hitler before he can take [TS]

00:49:13   over the government so it's super [TS]

00:49:15   intense [TS]

00:49:16   but it's also really interesting and how [TS]

00:49:18   it tries to take a page out of history [TS]

00:49:20   and understand the dynamics that led to [TS]

00:49:24   the rise of somebody who did not have [TS]

00:49:25   the support of the majority but that [TS]

00:49:28   person ended up taking control of the [TS]

00:49:30   government so it is a little bit of [TS]

00:49:32   history and a little bit of social [TS]

00:49:34   commentary and also it falls into this [TS]

00:49:36   social deduction category for played [TS]

00:49:38   werewolf you know what i'm talking about [TS]

00:49:40   very fun and very cool it's on [TS]

00:49:43   Kickstarter now it's already funded [TS]

00:49:44   3,500 people have already backed it so [TS]

00:49:47   when you back it on Kickstarter which [TS]

00:49:49   you can do through december 23rd you're [TS]

00:49:51   going to get the game you're going to [TS]

00:49:52   get the game and you can learn a lot [TS]

00:49:54   more about it see it in action watch the [TS]

00:49:55   videos at secret Hitler dot-com that's [TS]

00:49:58   where you need to go secret Hitler com [TS]

00:50:00   max Temkin who created co-created cards [TS]

00:50:03   against humanity smart guy funny guy [TS]

00:50:05   this is a great idea for a game he's [TS]

00:50:07   done some other game design in the last [TS]

00:50:09   few years that I've really enjoyed i [TS]

00:50:10   encourage you to check it out especially [TS]

00:50:12   if you played any of those social [TS]

00:50:14   deduction games like mafia or werewolf [TS]

00:50:16   I think you will find secret Hitler a [TS]

00:50:18   really intriguing spin on the concepts [TS]

00:50:21   go to secret Hitler calm and thanks to [TS]

00:50:24   max and everybody else pine secret [TS]

00:50:26   Hitler calm for sponsoring the [TS]

00:50:28   uncomfortable and by the way phil was [TS]

00:50:30   the secret Hitler all along i love the [TS]

00:50:32   drunken mrs. Shellhammer by the way that [TS]

00:50:34   is all made by i could not totally so [TS]

00:50:39   city of me and she's just laughing I [TS]

00:50:42   made them triple string a movie in which [TS]

00:50:45   the drunken Santa Claus from the first [TS]

00:50:47   scene meets drunken mrs. Shellhammer [TS]

00:50:48   would be minus me or my Christmas movie [TS]

00:50:52   it's just drink and laugh together made [TS]

00:50:54   the martinis triple strength and she [TS]

00:50:56   feels wonderful miracle streets of [TS]

00:51:02   street much about their marriage to [TS]

00:51:04   Arkady is away colleges yes this is [TS]

00:51:08   hitter there and there is no empty nest [TS]

00:51:10   syndrome to them at all what's a better [TS]

00:51:12   ya rappin martinis for dinner every [TS]

00:51:14   night mostly off me [TS]

00:51:16   mom dad I'm home from college I'm [TS]

00:51:18   started we have a jar of cocktail one of [TS]

00:51:20   the few ppl unions and that is held in [TS]

00:51:23   another in another world they are Nick [TS]

00:51:25   and Nora Charles yeah we haven't eaten [TS]

00:51:26   since nineteen forty-two [TS]

00:51:28   I did I can enjoy the just every time I [TS]

00:51:31   love that she gets the witch wind the [TS]

00:51:33   telephone is roll that's just the best [TS]

00:51:35   yeah it's the best city of me go and [TS]

00:51:40   there's no no there's no reason that [TS]

00:51:41   that's in that movie there's no reason [TS]

00:51:43   it's there other than its zany hey [TS]

00:51:45   speaking of loveless marriages let's [TS]

00:51:47   talk about life in winter [TS]

00:51:48   alrighty street let's do it alright [TS]

00:51:51   alright so we start with theme music [TS]

00:51:55   straight out of an omen film as I was [TS]

00:51:58   watching I said they're gonna be like [TS]

00:52:00   three panels and then tap out just [TS]

00:52:02   because the opening credits because it [TS]

00:52:04   really so would you care to imitate the [TS]

00:52:06   open you know music hate to put you on [TS]

00:52:08   the spot but you do a very good job [TS]

00:52:11   oh it's all right for people from [TS]

00:52:15   different situation to love my dad used [TS]

00:52:19   to run around that was singing raging [TS]

00:52:21   raging latissimus starside at the [TS]

00:52:24   perfect and that was pretty much always [TS]

00:52:26   saying along to the crowds we watched it [TS]

00:52:28   every year Christmas as a terrorist [TS]

00:52:29   family tradition the first time I [TS]

00:52:31   watched it took me like three tries to [TS]

00:52:34   realize it was a DSS array from a [TS]

00:52:36   Catholic Mass was like oh ok they're not [TS]

00:52:40   an NCAA you know they are not know the [TS]

00:52:43   year each 1183 icing [TS]

00:52:46   yes and this the scene England Henry the [TS]

00:52:50   second is the king and he is he is what [TS]

00:52:54   you might call a lion in winter because [TS]

00:52:58   he's a little bit old he needs to find [TS]

00:53:00   an error because his son Henry you know [TS]

00:53:03   died because he was trying to overthrow [TS]

00:53:05   his father I think additionally it is [TS]

00:53:07   water that this film is said it exactly [TS]

00:53:10   winter and yeah it's Christmas because [TS]

00:53:12   receive but it is not it is not England [TS]

00:53:15   it is not set in England it set in [TS]

00:53:17   France [TS]

00:53:17   yeah answer technically speaking Hindi [TS]

00:53:20   the second was the king of half of [TS]

00:53:21   friends at this point yes and that's [TS]

00:53:22   where the movie set yeah they ship the [TS]

00:53:24   ship it katharine hepburn in from London [TS]

00:53:27   for ya where she's locked up yeah I'm [TS]

00:53:29   and kept up there i think that you have [TS]

00:53:33   to understand about Henry that editing [TS]

00:53:34   second element is there basically one of [TS]

00:53:35   history's fun couples there these their [TS]

00:53:38   couples in history who significantly [TS]

00:53:40   shape culture change [TS]

00:53:42   and statecraft like the Emperor [TS]

00:53:43   Justinian and his wife [TS]

00:53:46   Theodora or um Napoleon and Josephine [TS]

00:53:49   and Henry and Eleanor and this movie is [TS]

00:53:53   is basically about just can't quit each [TS]

00:53:56   other random and they get it and it's [TS]

00:54:00   about a contentious family Christmas [TS]

00:54:02   guess what get what could be more [TS]

00:54:04   Christmassy than getting together [TS]

00:54:06   bringing the family from the far-flung [TS]

00:54:08   corners of your kingdom and no one gets [TS]

00:54:10   a long and dark use all the time and [TS]

00:54:13   tries to kill each other with sorts [TS]

00:54:15   well it does go on about you know the [TS]

00:54:16   tendency to revert to your childhood [TS]

00:54:18   roles in this case technically speaking [TS]

00:54:21   both Richard and John shouldn't even [TS]

00:54:23   facing the succession thing but again [TS]

00:54:25   Henry the younger died when he was [TS]

00:54:27   waging war against his dad and Henry the [TS]

00:54:29   second was so capable of holding a [TS]

00:54:31   grudge that when Henry the younger came [TS]

00:54:33   to like Henry the younger sent [TS]

00:54:35   emissaries to Henry with two deathbed [TS]

00:54:36   requests and the first most i'd like to [TS]

00:54:38   see you before i die father and the [TS]

00:54:40   answer was no and then the second [TS]

00:54:42   request that you please free my mother [TS]

00:54:44   on because by this point like Henry sons [TS]

00:54:46   were beginning to like overthrown was [TS]

00:54:48   like a hottie [TS]

00:54:49   please bring my mother from prison and [TS]

00:54:52   the answer that was also flat know like [TS]

00:54:53   Henry the second is the kind of guy who [TS]

00:54:56   really enjoys disappointing his children [TS]

00:54:59   when they disappointed him and what's [TS]

00:55:01   it's very much a the The Who's Afraid of [TS]

00:55:04   Virginia Woolf kind of paradigm it'sit's [TS]

00:55:07   George and Martha except they're both [TS]

00:55:09   more fun and more deadly and [TS]

00:55:12   bloodthirsty now the reason this is a [TS]

00:55:14   classic christmas movie in our house and [TS]

00:55:16   get my dad really really enjoyed movies [TS]

00:55:19   of a lot of a of back-and-forth [TS]

00:55:21   interplay you know he also enjoyed [TS]

00:55:23   please like that too [TS]

00:55:24   and indeed this was a play before it was [TS]

00:55:26   a movie you'd never know it [TS]

00:55:28   yeah as anyone who watches it wanted to [TS]

00:55:29   tell how could you tell this was a play [TS]

00:55:31   I mean there's a wide establishing shot [TS]

00:55:33   then there's ppl yapping in a room then [TS]

00:55:35   there's a wide establishing shot then [TS]

00:55:36   there's people you have another shot [TS]

00:55:37   goes on for several minutes yeah there's [TS]

00:55:39   a shot with all of them lined up talk it [TS]

00:55:42   follows the same basic rhythm is the [TS]

00:55:43   Star Wars prequels [TS]

00:55:46   except it's it's more popcorn movie than [TS]

00:55:49   me said a king you who do i have to [TS]

00:55:55   separate out my deep sentimental [TS]

00:55:56   fondness and my love for this against [TS]

00:55:58   the fact that visually it is totally not [TS]

00:56:01   a standard like the one thing i do [TS]

00:56:02   appreciate visually is it points out [TS]

00:56:04   that it really is not cool or fun or [TS]

00:56:07   beautiful to be living in an era where [TS]

00:56:09   there's no endure heat or sanitation or [TS]

00:56:12   you know brightly colored clothing or [TS]

00:56:14   anything like that so so I pretty much [TS]

00:56:16   just wondering reason King any dresses [TS]

00:56:18   like a hobo [TS]

00:56:19   well I appreciate that they don't [TS]

00:56:22   glamorize it and that they don't make it [TS]

00:56:25   look like it's you know that all silks [TS]

00:56:28   and linens and in jewels all the time [TS]

00:56:30   it's basically a bunch of super cold [TS]

00:56:33   people in a giant smoky stone structure [TS]

00:56:36   try not to choke and try not to get [TS]

00:56:38   killed by each other at the same time I [TS]

00:56:39   love the play and I really liked the [TS]

00:56:42   movie but i love the play and so i don't [TS]

00:56:45   i don't have the illusion that this is [TS]

00:56:47   the greatest movie on earth it is too [TS]

00:56:50   long [TS]

00:56:51   James Goldman adapted his own script and [TS]

00:56:53   and opening it out doesn't do any favors [TS]

00:56:56   when so much of it is still closed in [TS]

00:56:58   although anthony hopkins I think there's [TS]

00:57:01   just that moment where he says to tell [TS]

00:57:02   you never cold i would have come but you [TS]

00:57:04   never called like the first time I saw [TS]

00:57:07   that I kind of stopped Stockstill [TS]

00:57:09   because that that you know hit the heart [TS]

00:57:11   because it was just so raw [TS]

00:57:13   yes and so visceral so it's interesting [TS]

00:57:16   to watch his performance and you know i [TS]

00:57:18   like the actors who play Jeffrey and [TS]

00:57:20   John have evidently going on to have [TS]

00:57:21   long and distinguished career ever but [TS]

00:57:24   it's really none of those actors can [TS]

00:57:26   keep up with Peter O'Toole and Katharine [TS]

00:57:27   Hepburn oh no sir [TS]

00:57:29   so we're about 10 minutes into this and [TS]

00:57:30   i haven't actually discussed the plot [TS]

00:57:32   which i think is telling we could [TS]

00:57:33   because plot is not actually central to [TS]

00:57:35   this movie I'm not really I i can get I [TS]

00:57:38   can do the plot in about 20 seconds yeah [TS]

00:57:40   uh Peter O'Toole needs to find an heir [TS]

00:57:43   to the throne either going to have a [TS]

00:57:45   Christmas court where the King of France [TS]

00:57:47   is played by timothy dalton in one of [TS]

00:57:49   his his position as you first movie is [TS]

00:57:53   coming over to negotiate a peace treaty [TS]

00:57:55   are so he decides to get the [TS]

00:57:59   Eleanor of Aquitaine out of the deep [TS]

00:58:01   freeze brings her and brings in his [TS]

00:58:03   three sons all of whom to marry degrees [TS]

00:58:06   hatem and then the rest of the movie is [TS]

00:58:08   him fighting without Eleanor and him [TS]

00:58:11   fighting with the sun's as we try and [TS]

00:58:13   determine who the air is but really [TS]

00:58:15   that's not the important part the [TS]

00:58:17   important part is the interactions [TS]

00:58:19   between Henry and Eleanor that's the [TS]

00:58:21   entire of a fulcrum on which the movie [TS]

00:58:25   pivots and for my just to reveal my hand [TS]

00:58:29   i absolutely love the scenes between [TS]

00:58:31   Peter O'Toole and Katharine Hepburn I [TS]

00:58:33   think those make the movie alone with [TS]

00:58:35   watching I'm less inclined anytime that [TS]

00:58:39   the the three sons are on the screen and [TS]

00:58:41   when it's there's no Peter to lure know [TS]

00:58:44   Katherine Hepburn go fix yourself a [TS]

00:58:46   drink because that means it's not much [TS]

00:58:48   of a movie then it's yet it's very slow [TS]

00:58:51   it's very pokey and its stages hell and [TS]

00:58:54   cognac and not in not in that ropeway [TS]

00:58:57   will be all those robbers stages hell [TS]

00:58:59   but Rome actually it works as a state [TS]

00:59:02   movie as theatre boy it it hurts to [TS]

00:59:05   watch this sometimes because of that is [TS]

00:59:07   your specific identity that is any [TS]

00:59:09   theatre boy rogues the streets looking [TS]

00:59:11   for clays lights please [TS]

00:59:14   and yeah it's it's just so aggressively [TS]

00:59:18   not filmic in a lot of scenes and [TS]

00:59:21   especially the wedding sequence where [TS]

00:59:23   they're all lined up in a row and the [TS]

00:59:25   camera doesn't even move it's like that [TS]

00:59:27   all like God to know that is that is [TS]

00:59:29   weird and it's just painful but I do [TS]

00:59:33   that it does let you concentrate the [TS]

00:59:34   language that's true i do love Hopkins [TS]

00:59:37   and I love watching him and especially [TS]

00:59:39   in the scene with with just him and [TS]

00:59:41   Dalton when he when he thinks they're [TS]

00:59:43   alone in Dalton's bedchamber where he is [TS]

00:59:46   again it's a very raw emotion for him [TS]

00:59:50   wherever he is he's trying to not be [TS]

00:59:52   vulnerable and still say dude did you [TS]

00:59:55   love me you know and that is just [TS]

00:59:57   devastating and and so it's [TS]

00:59:57   devastating and and so it's [TS]

01:00:00   fun to watch that of the three sons I [TS]

01:00:02   think John castle as Prince Jeffrey does [TS]

01:00:04   the best job because he yeah he is the [TS]

01:00:06   piteous so that is dear to my heart i [TS]

01:00:08   think difference John looks like bob [TS]

01:00:10   geldof involved and Nigel Terry was [TS]

01:00:12   Prince John he is he has given no [TS]

01:00:14   favourites because it's basically it [TS]

01:00:16   seems like his directions be as worried [TS]

01:00:18   as possible I was just gonna say where [TS]

01:00:20   be because for me and unpleasant and [TS]

01:00:23   just every time the cameras on him i [TS]

01:00:25   cringe and was like you just weed your [TS]

01:00:28   tight we want we want viewers to when [TS]

01:00:30   they when they look at you think what is [TS]

01:00:32   wrong with that guy [TS]

01:00:34   yeah i do that for us yes because at one [TS]

01:00:37   point Peter of tool promises his [TS]

01:00:39   mistress to Prince John but and and [TS]

01:00:43   basically you've got all that poor [TS]

01:00:45   mistress [TS]

01:00:46   oh man when there are more simple and he [TS]

01:00:50   smells like a stock areas of the house [TS]

01:00:53   to go to one of the brothers anyway [TS]

01:00:54   because she came with the Vexin answer [TS]

01:00:57   and they were more interested in holding [TS]

01:00:58   onto the vaccine for strategic purposes [TS]

01:01:00   so and if she doesn't marry one of them [TS]

01:01:03   transfer internet after turn the dowry [TS]

01:01:06   I mean I think this makes that I think [TS]

01:01:07   the line it makes a really good holiday [TS]

01:01:09   movie mostly because um if you've ever [TS]

01:01:12   had a holiday family where somebody [TS]

01:01:14   somewhere is starting up the the the [TS]

01:01:16   poop for no good reason or people come [TS]

01:01:18   back and automatically revert to roles [TS]

01:01:20   they last held in the 1980s or nineteen [TS]

01:01:22   nineties like watching this can be [TS]

01:01:24   weirdly cathartic know i'm [TS]

01:01:26   super-interested to hear why people [TS]

01:01:28   hated it [TS]

01:01:28   well that's Jason snows music exactly my [TS]

01:01:31   god my god it's long the camera is [TS]

01:01:35   static it's not a holiday movie it's [TS]

01:01:36   it's a that's a sham to give us to watch [TS]

01:01:39   a movie that's not actually about the [TS]

01:01:40   holiday [TS]

01:01:41   always know that I will fight about [TS]

01:01:44   families get ready okay if yes it is [TS]

01:01:46   about family if you happen to be the [TS]

01:01:48   king of freaking England and your [TS]

01:01:51   children or or or we'll put it this way [TS]

01:01:53   if you really want to strain the [TS]

01:01:54   metaphor [TS]

01:01:54   yes it is is about a family that hates [TS]

01:01:57   each other but they're all tied together [TS]

01:01:58   and they're all going to go down [TS]

01:01:59   together or at least some of them will [TS]

01:02:01   be stabbed by the by the the the strong [TS]

01:02:05   men who are brought in the middle of the [TS]

01:02:07   night on as it's just very early [TS]

01:02:09   Christmas morning [TS]

01:02:10   you know I found I found it it's very [TS]

01:02:12   talky some of the dialogue is very good [TS]

01:02:15   it goes on forever it's completely [TS]

01:02:17   static it's a very long film some of the [TS]

01:02:20   performances are good some of the [TS]

01:02:21   performances are not good and I after [TS]

01:02:25   about an hour i really wanted to turn it [TS]

01:02:27   off [TS]

01:02:27   so there you go i and i watched the [TS]

01:02:29   whole thing but i found it unpleasant [TS]

01:02:31   it's martin parts there are some good [TS]

01:02:33   performances and i found maybe there was [TS]

01:02:37   30 minutes that I appreciated in the two [TS]

01:02:39   hours and 15 maybe [TS]

01:02:41   yeah so you know I I don't like this [TS]

01:02:44   movie I thought it was crappy I could I [TS]

01:02:47   could totally cut it down by at least 45 [TS]

01:02:49   minutes even even from some of the good [TS]

01:02:51   scenes because because yea its to long [TS]

01:02:55   yeah I could see liking this movie a lot [TS]

01:02:57   more after seeing it three or four times [TS]

01:02:58   where i actually knew what the hell they [TS]

01:03:00   were saying and could actually [TS]

01:03:02   appreciate the diary because I can [TS]

01:03:04   understand half of it but i would not [TS]

01:03:06   watch this a second time because I was [TS]

01:03:08   frankly just kind of bored by what I [TS]

01:03:10   would have said the density of it was [TS]

01:03:12   overwhelming on one level and also made [TS]

01:03:15   me realize there's all probably a lot of [TS]

01:03:17   very good material here but I cannot [TS]

01:03:19   take all of this in at once it's like I [TS]

01:03:21   just couldn't sit there and take it all [TS]

01:03:23   in so it's one of those things like [TS]

01:03:24   should i watch this movie in 10 minutes [TS]

01:03:26   installments because I would probably [TS]

01:03:27   appreciate it a lot more if I just [TS]

01:03:30   focused on it for 10 minutes and then [TS]

01:03:31   walked away but with the actions don't [TS]

01:03:33   help either [TS]

01:03:34   no the accents are also all over the [TS]

01:03:36   place to that's another thing about the [TS]

01:03:38   play versus the movie where is now again [TS]

01:03:40   because he opens it out you have these [TS]

01:03:42   long you know establishing shots and you [TS]

01:03:46   know to look we're on locators a beach [TS]

01:03:48   in Wales and their dogs are dogs in the [TS]

01:03:51   ferry dock great memory dogs [TS]

01:03:54   the stage come on and but because the [TS]

01:03:56   the play has to move and it doesn't have [TS]

01:03:59   time for location shots it doesn't have [TS]

01:04:01   time for you know walking in the long [TS]

01:04:03   procession with the dogs [TS]

01:04:04   lord I was making my old one yeah it is [TS]

01:04:07   much tighter you know and and it allows [TS]

01:04:11   you to focus on the language and it [TS]

01:04:13   tells the it gives you all the setup for [TS]

01:04:15   everything much quicker and much sharper [TS]

01:04:18   so that you're not having to wait 30 [TS]

01:04:20   minutes 44 katharine hepburn to show up [TS]

01:04:23   she's in like the second scene theater [TS]

01:04:25   is static because it's on a stage and [TS]

01:04:27   yet they can move things around on the [TS]

01:04:29   stage but you sit in your seat and you [TS]

01:04:30   are the director essentially and and the [TS]

01:04:32   and the staging can draw your attention [TS]

01:04:34   where it needs to be and and I feel like [TS]

01:04:36   I felt abandoned in the way this movie [TS]

01:04:39   is shot that it's not shot like one shot [TS]

01:04:42   of just a stage right there are these [TS]

01:04:44   long single shots but you you feel you [TS]

01:04:46   have those moments where like wow I I'd [TS]

01:04:48   almost rather you be telling me where to [TS]

01:04:50   look now but instead I felt just kind of [TS]

01:04:52   completely abandoned and in theater i'm [TS]

01:04:54   in the mode where I'm like okay I'm [TS]

01:04:56   going to be surveying the scene and [TS]

01:04:57   looking around and working with the [TS]

01:04:59   actors and the director they're going to [TS]

01:05:00   be trying to draw my attention to places [TS]

01:05:01   and whereas in film it was like yeah [TS]

01:05:03   we're we're not gonna bother [TS]

01:05:05   good luck and I it it really turned me [TS]

01:05:07   off on that to which is the direction he [TS]

01:05:09   reminds me a little bit of 1776 which [TS]

01:05:12   also yeah i mean they basically just [TS]

01:05:13   picked it up from the stage and drop [TS]

01:05:15   down said okay we're gonna set the [TS]

01:05:16   camera over here and maybe once in a [TS]

01:05:17   while have one of those yearbook photo [TS]

01:05:20   shots but otherwise you know we're just [TS]

01:05:24   we're talking about your father's in the [TS]

01:05:26   back short founding fathers in the front [TS]

01:05:28   if this is the play and it looks like a [TS]

01:05:29   play and that's about all the effort [TS]

01:05:31   we're going to put into it and but but [TS]

01:05:32   1776 had the benefit of being somewhat [TS]

01:05:35   likable was fun yeah [TS]

01:05:37   this did not and and so much of the [TS]

01:05:39   direction of this i mean just in terms [TS]

01:05:40   of the acting direction is very much [TS]

01:05:43   oh play it like you're on the stage so [TS]

01:05:45   it's a lot louder and and everyone is [TS]

01:05:47   trying to legislate voices to match [TS]

01:05:49   match show do tool time to get i come [TS]

01:05:53   from a family with shoddy people in it [TS]

01:05:54   so having a two-shot was no big deal [TS]

01:05:56   because so that was actually par for the [TS]

01:05:59   course a lot of family having is growing [TS]

01:06:01   up but still pointed out when we walked [TS]

01:06:03   doing the rewatching like oh my god he [TS]

01:06:05   really does shadow [TS]

01:06:06   lot yeah and and it's so much of it i [TS]

01:06:09   mean again I really like O'Toole [TS]

01:06:10   generally but he there couple points [TS]

01:06:13   where he goes way overboard and and like [TS]

01:06:16   when when she's taunting him in the bank [TS]

01:06:18   and they had taken Peters I've their [TS]

01:06:21   scars yeah and he just suddenly goes I [TS]

01:06:26   just finishing off and so ya blue dial [TS]

01:06:29   it down he starts to 10 and Gentile 20 [TS]

01:06:33   yes in that peanut away where you just [TS]

01:06:37   keep going like this [TS]

01:06:38   yeah I recognize there are great [TS]

01:06:40   performances in this katherine hepburn [TS]

01:06:42   is fantastic chance yes [TS]

01:06:44   yeah individual lines i think are [TS]

01:06:46   fantastically funny I I I recognize that [TS]

01:06:49   there's some great back-and-forth hear [TS]

01:06:51   some very nice cutting lines and here [TS]

01:06:53   and in the end I just didn't give a damn [TS]

01:06:56   because these are all terrible people [TS]

01:06:58   and I don't like any of the mouth [TS]

01:07:00   they're all bastards i have no rooting [TS]

01:07:01   interest in the end I rooting interest [TS]

01:07:03   was I hope this ends like a Shakespeare [TS]

01:07:05   tragedy [TS]

01:07:06   everybody is dead yeah and everyone's [TS]

01:07:08   lying in a puddle of blood on the floor [TS]

01:07:09   except maybe Timothy Dalton you a lot of [TS]

01:07:11   them do [TS]

01:07:12   Jeffrey is getting the deal in a [TS]

01:07:13   horseback-riding accident but i want to [TS]

01:07:15   buy anything you want to see that [TS]

01:07:18   montage where it's like the unavailable [TS]

01:07:20   housewife little credit see ya said [TS]

01:07:22   everybody started walking journey to [TS]

01:07:24   buyer dead yet now the thing I i never [TS]

01:07:27   understood the thing that vexes me to [TS]

01:07:31   this day is Prince Jeffrey is obviously [TS]

01:07:33   the one of the three of them with the [TS]

01:07:34   best impulse control and the most states [TS]

01:07:37   minecraft like mind and he has [TS]

01:07:39   persistently passed over by both but [TS]

01:07:41   yeah that was interesting is like they [TS]

01:07:43   just straight up hated him from birth [TS]

01:07:45   really happy because he's a dick [TS]

01:07:47   the nice thing about this isn't real [TS]

01:07:49   life prints Geoffrey took his [TS]

01:07:51   magnificent brain and hired himself out [TS]

01:07:52   to the French and worked actively [TS]

01:07:55   against his father's interest for the [TS]

01:07:56   rest of his short life until he was [TS]

01:07:58   kicked in a horseback-riding accident [TS]

01:08:00   Henry actually always loved him and he [TS]

01:08:01   died yesterday I do like how all the [TS]

01:08:04   characters call um although all the sons [TS]

01:08:06   call Katherine Hepburn mommy mommy yes [TS]

01:08:10   mommy [TS]

01:08:12   I thought that was directorial choice [TS]

01:08:13   that she was actually a mummy mental [TS]

01:08:17   energy [TS]

01:08:17   yes [TS]

01:08:18   yeah what's the time difference about [TS]

01:08:20   things like that Dan lots of times the [TS]

01:08:23   second time I've seen this movie by the [TS]

01:08:24   way I I so what I appreciate about the [TS]

01:08:27   about this movie is that it is about [TS]

01:08:28   Henry failing to accept his own morality [TS]

01:08:32   mortality right he tries to control what [TS]

01:08:36   happens after he's gone and he can't he [TS]

01:08:40   just he can't do it and they're there is [TS]

01:08:43   a great moment where he is talking to [TS]

01:08:45   Katharine Hepburn about how he's going [TS]

01:08:48   to get a an annulment and he's going to [TS]

01:08:50   Mary Alice orale sir what is yeah and [TS]

01:08:54   they're gonna have babies and and she's [TS]

01:08:57   just sitting there like she's like wait [TS]

01:08:58   for it he's gonna figure this out you [TS]

01:09:00   know let's walk you through what's gonna [TS]

01:09:01   happen is that your babies the babies [TS]

01:09:04   are going to get killed by your grown [TS]

01:09:06   sons and their the great line is what [TS]

01:09:08   you want to have more sons you have [TS]

01:09:10   plenty of Suns already yes that's just [TS]

01:09:13   that's great game it's great because he [TS]

01:09:15   he is completely misguided and trying as [TS]

01:09:18   he is aging to put off death and control [TS]

01:09:21   his family from beyond the grave and [TS]

01:09:24   it's not gonna happen and that i really [TS]

01:09:26   appreciate it and that he's also got [TS]

01:09:27   he's not focused on I i think one of the [TS]

01:09:30   things I sort of enjoy about him as a [TS]

01:09:31   character is that he is not purely [TS]

01:09:33   focused on the glory of being King right [TS]

01:09:36   he is he a lot of what he talks about is [TS]

01:09:38   looking yeah he is a lot of a talk about [TS]

01:09:41   enthusiastically is like you know [TS]

01:09:43   justice laws that kind of stuff right [TS]

01:09:45   he's trying to maintain a piece [TS]

01:09:47   he's trying to maintain stability right [TS]

01:09:49   like Taiwan and he laid down the [TS]

01:09:52   foundation for english cognac one of the [TS]

01:09:54   greatest Kings they've ever had and so [TS]

01:09:56   the point but it's not just I'm trying [TS]

01:09:58   to ensure sort of my Legacy's like I'm [TS]

01:10:01   trying to ensure the stability and like [TS]

01:10:02   prosperity of my country of all that [TS]

01:10:04   I've done to you know establish all of [TS]

01:10:08   these various you know laws and things [TS]

01:10:09   like that and so I think that you know [TS]

01:10:12   he has a I think he has a noble [TS]

01:10:14   intention [TS]

01:10:15   unfortunately he's not very good at [TS]

01:10:17   exercising that was also his pride [TS]

01:10:19   getting in the way because he does have [TS]

01:10:21   that vision and and clearly Richard or [TS]

01:10:25   Jeffrey would be a better ruler but he [TS]

01:10:27   wants John because Eleanor once Richard [TS]

01:10:30   and it's sort of like [TS]

01:10:32   well i'm going to pick the one I want [TS]

01:10:34   I'm sorry I'm going to pick the one I [TS]

01:10:36   want to tell you know they need to [TS]

01:10:40   practice [TS]

01:10:40   well one of the things that I that this [TS]

01:10:42   movie could have benefited from that the [TS]

01:10:45   plate alludes to from time to time to [TS]

01:10:48   time is that Eleanor and Henry had a [TS]

01:10:51   tremendous falling out when on Eleanor [TS]

01:10:54   what one element when Henry took a [TS]

01:10:56   mistress and he didn't just take Rosen [TS]

01:11:00   Clifford and he didn't just take cookie [TS]

01:11:02   had lots and lots of women but she was [TS]

01:11:04   his mistress for 11 years switches [TS]

01:11:06   serious tenure like in terms of kingly [TS]

01:11:08   mistresses and he made indicated i heard [TS]

01:11:11   from that well he made the mistake of [TS]

01:11:13   moving her into Eleanor's apartments and [TS]

01:11:14   telling Eleanor to stay in the country [TS]

01:11:15   and given whoo Eleanor of Aquitaine was [TS]

01:11:20   she was like she's like I really don't [TS]

01:11:22   give a hoot you sleep with what I give a [TS]

01:11:23   hoot about his he led into state graph [TS]

01:11:25   because that's my that's my jam and that [TS]

01:11:27   was when she was like all right children [TS]

01:11:29   let's go to war against your father and [TS]

01:11:31   so this whole rift comes from Henry not [TS]

01:11:34   recognizing that Eleanor had always seen [TS]

01:11:38   herself as an equal in terms of power [TS]

01:11:40   statecraft and most importantly war like [TS]

01:11:43   this is a dude who forgot that she [TS]

01:11:44   divorced her first husband because he [TS]

01:11:46   was insufficiently warmongering but will [TS]

01:11:49   heat she did ok well yeah because it [TS]

01:11:52   comes down to the crusade she wanted to [TS]

01:11:53   legitimately like terrorizing conquer [TS]

01:11:55   most of the land leading to Jerusalem [TS]

01:11:56   has was like no no we're we're here to [TS]

01:11:58   legitimately convert people just like [TS]

01:11:59   the other hand and he's like a moment [TS]

01:12:01   that's all interesting stuff it's a pity [TS]

01:12:05   none of it was in the movie that we are [TS]

01:12:06   authorised you have to say I think the [TS]

01:12:08   center club this movie is that [TS]

01:12:09   everything Lisa said is interesting and [TS]

01:12:11   not in the movie [TS]

01:12:12   yeah like and this is the things i think [TS]

01:12:14   the movie would have benefited a little [TS]

01:12:15   bit more if you had all that subtext and [TS]

01:12:17   shading and you understood that [TS]

01:12:18   Eleanor's not merely being uppity or [TS]

01:12:20   scored wife Eleanor is a legitimate [TS]

01:12:22   monarch and Henry made a big tactical [TS]

01:12:24   error and has been paying the price ever [TS]

01:12:26   since I was a little irritated that I [TS]

01:12:28   had to spend 20 minutes on wikipedia [TS]

01:12:30   before it could actually watch the show [TS]

01:12:32   and all these people played a very [TS]

01:12:34   clearly from the top when when in the [TS]

01:12:36   first scene [TS]

01:12:37   Peter O'Toole makes a reference to King [TS]

01:12:39   Lear you know this is a this is a family [TS]

01:12:41   drama is a nap not actually really about [TS]

01:12:43   history at all [TS]

01:12:44   I mean it the fact that these people [TS]

01:12:46   share circumstances and character and [TS]

01:12:48   and names with historical figures is [TS]

01:12:50   kind of passing at best [TS]

01:12:52   I don't know i think what is actually I [TS]

01:12:54   think end of this there is a there's a [TS]

01:12:56   coming to peace between Henry and [TS]

01:12:57   Eleanor a little bit you will you you [TS]

01:13:00   get the feeling that's been a game the [TS]

01:13:01   whole time [TS]

01:13:02   yeah I feel like this is their regular [TS]

01:13:03   Christmas Eve thing you know that this [TS]

01:13:06   is a different religion or wait guys see [TS]

01:13:08   you again next Christmas i think what [TS]

01:13:10   this movie shows you is at the beginning [TS]

01:13:12   of Henry's like yeah whatever the [TS]

01:13:14   statecraft this is owner huh [TS]

01:13:15   God and over the course of the movie as [TS]

01:13:18   they play chess with their children and [TS]

01:13:20   with his mistress [TS]

01:13:22   um by the end of it they basically we [TS]

01:13:25   discovered why they love each other but [TS]

01:13:26   circumstances in history as such where [TS]

01:13:29   their books secretly super crazy about [TS]

01:13:31   each other but they can't back down and [TS]

01:13:33   to me that's the answer that's the most [TS]

01:13:35   interesting thing about it is by the end [TS]

01:13:37   of it you can see that they're never [TS]

01:13:39   going to let each other go and they had [TS]

01:13:42   their resigned to it and it's a really [TS]

01:13:44   happy sort of resignation because it's [TS]

01:13:46   like if I had nothing else in this world [TS]

01:13:47   i have been the object of passion and [TS]

01:13:50   intense energy from this person who was [TS]

01:13:53   like this crazy conquering genius you [TS]

01:13:55   know and it gratifies your egos and it [TS]

01:13:58   feeds something in them the next best [TS]

01:13:59   thing to having a spouse is having a [TS]

01:14:01   nemesis whereas I didn't care either way [TS]

01:14:03   because they're both bastard [TS]

01:14:04   yeah well the one thing i do like in [TS]

01:14:07   this is how that there is that [TS]

01:14:08   realization that people did not live [TS]

01:14:11   very long [TS]

01:14:12   no in this period you know he has the [TS]

01:14:14   line i'm 50 now good god I'm the oldest [TS]

01:14:16   High Line only got ten years of the [TS]

01:14:19   problem I could kick and I can rule [TS]

01:14:22   France [TS]

01:14:23   mm I feel like someone should do a [TS]

01:14:25   podcast so sort solely screaming Peter [TS]

01:14:28   O'Toole on it he podcast with o2 [TS]

01:14:32   holberton in your Terrace is so cool so [TS]

01:14:36   I i well I appreciate the theatricality [TS]

01:14:38   of that scene where Katherine Hepburn [TS]

01:14:41   peter o'toole are talking and it goes [TS]

01:14:43   from them being really spatel to each [TS]

01:14:46   other to the tender moment where they [TS]

01:14:49   exchange a kiss to them being totally [TS]

01:14:52   hateful to each other again I appreciate [TS]

01:14:55   the structure of it [TS]

01:14:57   and the theatricality of like i said and [TS]

01:14:59   the performances of it at the same time [TS]

01:15:02   as Steve said uh III didn't really [TS]

01:15:05   appreciate it in terms of uh anything [TS]

01:15:08   remotely resembling what human beings [TS]

01:15:10   would actually do and so I just was like [TS]

01:15:14   yeah whatever [TS]

01:15:15   and again I just had a whole lot of boy [TS]

01:15:17   that must be really tough to be the king [TS]

01:15:18   of many countries [TS]

01:15:21   yeah that's what that's a hard life you [TS]

01:15:23   got there so I i don't know i just i I [TS]

01:15:26   never felt the connection with these [TS]

01:15:27   characters i thought it was a lot of [TS]

01:15:28   clever word play by a writer I felt like [TS]

01:15:30   I was watching writer write not dialogue [TS]

01:15:33   that was being acted by good actors and [TS]

01:15:35   that was it [TS]

01:15:36   in the end there was a scene with beds [TS]

01:15:38   and tapestries and many things got said [TS]

01:15:40   and that was pretty much that's what [TS]

01:15:42   tapestries are forced yeah [TS]

01:15:45   yes everyone's having attacked was the [TS]

01:15:47   original let's make a deal what's behind [TS]

01:15:50   tapestry number one it's your son won't [TS]

01:15:52   miss King James remember to also your [TS]

01:15:55   self your site still your son but part [TS]

01:15:58   of the problem for me i don't i don't [TS]

01:16:00   necessarily have a problem seeing people [TS]

01:16:02   be awful to each other on screen what [TS]

01:16:06   bothered me a little bit was that it [TS]

01:16:09   just seems like what was all the [TS]

01:16:10   back-and-forth was like mine game after [TS]

01:16:12   mine game is turn one way and then the [TS]

01:16:15   other and then the other and I never had [TS]

01:16:17   a clue which one of those was the actual [TS]

01:16:19   point of view or the actual around [TS]

01:16:21   whatever it was that the character was [TS]

01:16:22   trying to get at [TS]

01:16:23   so II did you get it was it was not only [TS]

01:16:27   hard to follow but it was hard to care [TS]

01:16:29   because it just seemed like they were [TS]

01:16:31   screwing with each other for no reason [TS]

01:16:33   yes it's called family see yeah that was [TS]

01:16:36   pretty much it is that for Henry and [TS]

01:16:39   Eleanor sometimes that well actually in [TS]

01:16:42   many cases there was a point there's a [TS]

01:16:44   great scene where Henry basically tells [TS]

01:16:46   Philip you've told me everything I've [TS]

01:16:49   told you nothing this is how it's done [TS]

01:16:50   yeah but I think when it comes to Henry [TS]

01:16:53   and Eleanor screwing with the other [TS]

01:16:54   person is the point like if they if they [TS]

01:16:56   get anything out of it that's a bonus [TS]

01:16:57   but for all of these people it was just [TS]

01:17:00   I'm going to score points because I can [TS]

01:17:02   because I can it's like when your kid [TS]

01:17:03   nick backseat of the car and you you [TS]

01:17:05   know maybe you try to irritate your [TS]

01:17:07   brother as much as possible just to see [TS]

01:17:08   if [TS]

01:17:09   what you can get away with yeah wow yeah [TS]

01:17:11   don't I don't I don't find that [TS]

01:17:13   entertaining at all as a viewer you know [TS]

01:17:15   i-i-i I could see that them attacking [TS]

01:17:18   each other in various ways i wanted to [TS]

01:17:19   know which one was the real character [TS]

01:17:21   today really is this tender moment the [TS]

01:17:24   real Eleanor and Henry or is that just [TS]

01:17:27   another step on their pathway of [TS]

01:17:30   university hanging that Henry scene with [TS]

01:17:33   the Henry scene with Philip actually [TS]

01:17:35   come to think of it as a little bit like [TS]

01:17:36   the Wallace Shawn seen from princess [TS]

01:17:38   bride you've told me everything [TS]

01:17:40   it's sad but I think my favorite scene [TS]

01:17:44   in wide shots of people in livestock [TS]

01:17:46   walking in lyons the movie is haha is [TS]

01:17:51   probably the fight between the two [TS]

01:17:53   guards down in the castle yeah I really [TS]

01:17:56   cares about that one yeah you always see [TS]

01:17:58   these these wonderfully choreographed [TS]

01:18:00   fast-action fights coming guys in chain [TS]

01:18:03   mail and this is probably a heck of a [TS]

01:18:04   lot more like it actually would hold [TS]

01:18:06   down this guys just sort of stumbling [TS]

01:18:08   around and feebly attempting to jab each [TS]

01:18:10   other [TS]

01:18:10   drop your sword and then stabbed a knife [TS]

01:18:13   with your dagger there is so many [TS]

01:18:15   everybody's got a lawyer this like a [TS]

01:18:16   quick cut from close up to close up [TS]

01:18:19   where they don't match in your trunk and [TS]

01:18:21   add when did they move what does a [TS]

01:18:24   gentleman [TS]

01:18:24   yeah how did their faces change [TS]

01:18:26   expression that fast and and some of the [TS]

01:18:28   expressions are are like silent movie [TS]

01:18:31   mugging to the back of the theaters like [TS]

01:18:35   what are you doing man and I say this [TS]

01:18:38   with a movie that I kinda like but man [TS]

01:18:41   oh I would love to know more about the [TS]

01:18:44   direction of like just pretend to play [TS]

01:18:45   like okay will be pleased we know those [TS]

01:18:48   not like your newfangled moving picture [TS]

01:18:50   that's the thing about this is it's not [TS]

01:18:53   like movies were a really new media at [TS]

01:18:55   this point but now because because Lisa [TS]

01:18:57   and I once watched the the lives of [TS]

01:18:59   Henry VIII 80 was a really early movie [TS]

01:19:02   that kinda define the direction British [TS]

01:19:05   cinema took with a man caster hassle [TS]

01:19:08   when caster and charles laughton and and [TS]

01:19:11   you want to talk about movies where [TS]

01:19:13   they're just trying to figure out how [TS]

01:19:14   movies work that is that is that movie [TS]

01:19:16   but is [TS]

01:19:18   and it is so far advanced over the lion [TS]

01:19:22   in winter terms of how to compose a shot [TS]

01:19:24   and how to frame a narrative and tell a [TS]

01:19:27   story on film and it's like he's he was [TS]

01:19:29   an editor the director and yeah he's a [TS]

01:19:31   really great editor to jersey edited dr. [TS]

01:19:34   Strangelove and the spinal it's cold [TS]

01:19:37   do you think there's a possibility that [TS]

01:19:38   the actors just ran roughshod over him [TS]

01:19:40   because I think that's very was a [TS]

01:19:42   possibility because apparently he [TS]

01:19:43   doesn't like Peter O'Toole shout that [TS]

01:19:45   much if you're the same person [TS]

01:19:47   katharine hepburn apparently spent most [TS]

01:19:49   of our time on the set and moshing Peter [TS]

01:19:51   O'Toole and the SME Hopkins showing up [TS]

01:19:53   half in the bag that up that's and it [TS]

01:19:56   shows that is very funny i'm not from [TS]

01:19:58   jaw drop this yeah it's nice having [TS]

01:20:01   Hopkins first roll it was yeah its first [TS]

01:20:04   world a little brash and it's showing [TS]

01:20:06   unloaded that shows now he spent most of [TS]

01:20:09   the it wasn't until about the 77 days [TS]

01:20:12   got got so yeah Phil what else should we [TS]

01:20:15   talk about about the line and winter and [TS]

01:20:17   companies hot talk it out I i think i [TS]

01:20:19   think we are pretty much Lisa loves the [TS]

01:20:24   movie [TS]

01:20:25   David and I kind of like it why are you [TS]

01:20:28   guys [TS]

01:20:28   I mean I'm in the middle of and then and [TS]

01:20:30   then and then Morgan likes bits of it [TS]

01:20:32   and I you and Steve the hated with the [TS]

01:20:37   fire of a thousand suns left and that's [TS]

01:20:40   where we're like a family squabbling on [TS]

01:20:43   Christmas you two in the wine cellar [TS]

01:20:46   right now [TS]

01:20:47   you stink you're a stinker I honestly [TS]

01:20:51   felt like I was um that it was a setup [TS]

01:20:55   because I I was not aware exactly of how [TS]

01:20:58   little this had to do with anything [TS]

01:20:59   regarding regarding the holidays and so [TS]

01:21:01   part of my reaction too was like okay I [TS]

01:21:04   I've been had by phillip michael it's [TS]

01:21:07   just out that Howard that's how it's [TS]

01:21:09   gonna be [TS]

01:21:10   but I place i believe this is in the [TS]

01:21:12   holiday vol.2 yeah well yeah didn't make [TS]

01:21:16   a deal for aqua teen we can overthrow [TS]

01:21:17   Jason is the host of this party is at [TS]

01:21:19   this point I think he would give it over [TS]

01:21:21   all we have to do is ask [TS]

01:21:23   I would have you all stabbed in your [TS]

01:21:25   sleep you throw in the dungeon you could [TS]

01:21:28   just step to sleep it would've been [TS]

01:21:29   faster I'm [TS]

01:21:30   the fighting you for god sakes pay [TS]

01:21:32   attention excuse me I've got to go back [TS]

01:21:33   up onto the roof of the castle and shout [TS]

01:21:36   and jump around you know that I know [TS]

01:21:38   that he knows that we know that we're [TS]

01:21:40   very knowledgeable podcasts and then and [TS]

01:21:43   then curl up into a fetal ball while the [TS]

01:21:44   horns kick in [TS]

01:21:46   I'll collapse into a heap and the camera [TS]

01:21:47   will pan out so Jason your score is both [TS]

01:21:50   devastating and hilarious monk I'm [TS]

01:21:52   really on a parapet did he die [TS]

01:21:55   I was I thought I was worried that this [TS]

01:21:56   is a strange way for the Midwest to [TS]

01:21:58   resolve that Bureau tools just goes on [TS]

01:22:00   the roof goes mad and dies and that's [TS]

01:22:02   the end it later I thought he was going [TS]

01:22:04   to die again and he didn't die then [TS]

01:22:06   either anyway yeah it's a well it's like [TS]

01:22:09   I said like i said earlier i feel like [TS]

01:22:11   the dialogue is is to be appreciated and [TS]

01:22:14   that if i had watched in short bits but [TS]

01:22:16   the way that the film makes no effort to [TS]

01:22:18   drag viewer along with it because it is [TS]

01:22:21   poorly directed from a from a visual [TS]

01:22:23   standpoint perhaps from acting and the [TS]

01:22:28   the rhythm of the dialogue perhaps it's [TS]

01:22:31   a it's a competent directing job but as [TS]

01:22:33   a film direction i think it's a it's [TS]

01:22:36   piss-poor so there you go [TS]

01:22:38   yeah it's a very it's a very poorly [TS]

01:22:40   directed by and that makes it feel like [TS]

01:22:41   it's so proud of itself that didn't even [TS]

01:22:43   have to bother [TS]

01:22:44   yeah well we only got this is a pristine [TS]

01:22:47   people love this dialogue screw the rest [TS]

01:22:50   of it yeah yeah well hold the better to [TS]

01:22:52   read actors it's a Broadway hit toon [TS]

01:22:54   it'll be it'll be fine you know it's [TS]

01:22:57   like no no it's it could've been really [TS]

01:23:00   good so what you're saying is it's [TS]

01:23:01   basically a British kevin smith film [TS]

01:23:03   where it's all about the dialogue there [TS]

01:23:04   is no visual artistry whatsoever [TS]

01:23:07   well you have jay and silent bob hiding [TS]

01:23:09   behind one of the curtains in the French [TS]

01:23:11   exactly this is why you have a [TS]

01:23:13   comprehensive tapestry policy of always [TS]

01:23:15   stabbing wildly every task for your [TS]

01:23:17   running to just obvious hard a lot to us [TS]

01:23:22   about the tapestries you know if [TS]

01:23:23   dungeons and dragons is not taught us [TS]

01:23:24   anything it is that you must search the [TS]

01:23:26   room completely including behind [TS]

01:23:28   hydrogen mysteries yet at least three or [TS]

01:23:30   four times and be afraid of be afraid of [TS]

01:23:32   statues you can really sure what's [TS]

01:23:34   behind the tapestry and tell you that at [TS]

01:23:36   least six or seven times check the [TS]

01:23:38   Polonius doctrine is a really good love [TS]

01:23:40   them [TS]

01:23:40   by the way already I like that one I'm [TS]

01:23:43   hiring people to analyze all your future [TS]

01:23:45   selections before I know haha are you [TS]

01:23:48   stripping me of my powers are you [TS]

01:23:50   sending me off to a castle to live in [TS]

01:23:53   disgrace for 10 years before I allow on [TS]

01:23:56   the show again do you think will another [TS]

01:23:58   will never die I hope so i'd love that [TS]

01:24:01   one [TS]

01:24:02   I never get the ending of them like what [TS]

01:24:05   why are they waving at each other why is [TS]

01:24:07   he laughing because I'm gonna do it [TS]

01:24:09   again next year little business together [TS]

01:24:12   feel alive and young and this gives them [TS]

01:24:14   hope you can be because they're [TS]

01:24:17   basically an unstoppable power couple [TS]

01:24:19   they just let some really unfortunate [TS]

01:24:20   circumstances name roslyn and a couple [TS]

01:24:23   over throw attempts getting away [TS]

01:24:26   the film is over i can go drink or are [TS]

01:24:28   we to assume that the boys escape off [TS]

01:24:30   into the wild somewhere or do they just [TS]

01:24:32   disappear into the castle and everything [TS]

01:24:34   is like that the 30-minute sitcom [TS]

01:24:36   episode is over and we're back to square [TS]

01:24:38   one just hiding behind tapestries all [TS]

01:24:40   the time [TS]

01:24:41   what shall we do tonight Richard the [TS]

01:24:42   same thing we do every night try to [TS]

01:24:44   overthrow the king talents and on that [TS]

01:24:49   note I'm going to thank my guests and [TS]

01:24:52   close up this edition of the old movie [TS]

01:24:54   club / holiday movie club / movies that [TS]

01:24:56   are set at the holidays but not actually [TS]

01:24:57   holiday movie club club doesn't take [TS]

01:25:00   something like that i would like to [TS]

01:25:02   thank my guests stanmore and thank you [TS]

01:25:03   for being here when the fall is all [TS]

01:25:05   there is [TS]

01:25:06   Jason it matters fair enough [TS]

01:25:09   Steve let's thank you for being here I [TS]

01:25:12   you're very welcome Jason obviously the [TS]

01:25:14   people who like the line and winter are [TS]

01:25:15   crazy but maybe they're only a little [TS]

01:25:17   crazy like painters or composers or some [TS]

01:25:19   of those men in Washington rel outside [TS]

01:25:22   David Laura thank you all all i want for [TS]

01:25:24   christmas is to be king of the Pope's so [TS]

01:25:29   yeah crazy Lisa Schmeisser thank you [TS]

01:25:31   very much i know you know I know I know [TS]

01:25:34   you know I know we have girls and Henry [TS]

01:25:37   knows we know where a knowledgeable [TS]

01:25:40   family [TS]

01:25:41   oh and Phillip Michaels thank you very [TS]

01:25:45   much [TS]

01:25:45   I apologize for nothing you [TS]

01:25:47   son-of-a-bitch [TS]

01:25:48   my boys are gone i lost my boys so I am [TS]

01:25:57   not in the habit of substituting [TS]

01:25:58   experience holiday and on that note i [TS]

01:26:02   will thank everybody for listening [TS]

01:26:04   maybe we'll talk about Star Wars next [TS]

01:26:05   week [TS]

01:26:19   this year the incomparable has been [TS]

01:26:24   brought to you by you [TS]

01:26:26   thank you for listening we really [TS]

01:26:28   appreciate it we're putting together our [TS]

01:26:29   best of the year episode and if you have [TS]

01:26:31   any suggestions please send them to [TS]

01:26:33   podcast at the incomparable dot-com your [TS]

01:26:36   favorite stuff we've done this year so [TS]

01:26:38   that we can put it on our special [TS]

01:26:39   end-of-the-year episode thanks [TS]