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number 207 before november 2015
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welcome back everybody to be
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uncomfortable podcast on your host Jason
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Steele we are here to celebrate the
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holiday season in that period allotted
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to us before the new Star Wars movie
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comes out and talk about Star Wars so to
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talk about classic holiday TV specials
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i'm joined by a fine panel people Steve
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Lutz is not one of them but he's here to
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my studio i'm also present up 5 4 a's
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dog food or raise to you Jason still
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thank you i will test you with my
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two-and-a-half foot pole later David
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lower also there hello
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I i wish you all a holly jolly podcast
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very very nice Glenn Fleischman is out
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hello hello we're talking about woohoo
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serious or is it yahoo Jorge tonight at
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last rack we're celebrating Christmas
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commercially oh yeah even commercially
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even commercial might I was going you
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didn't have your aluminum tree
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I got a festivus pole and i'll show you
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where that's going should have a
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half-foot I hope Shannon others also out
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hello hello silver and gold all this is
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very good and she just wants to be a
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dentist in saline sims hi i hope my
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heart grows two sizes this day
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oh I have some bad news for you wow that
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leads to an enlarged heart and it's a
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fatal convention that i recommend a
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standing desk
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yeah that's how the grinch did it so
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where we're going to talk about three
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classic TV specials that were released i
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did not even realize this when we pick
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them in successive years success of
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Christmases interesting isn't it isn't
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it's it's a so few classic christmas
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specials and they all kind of came in a
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clump in the middle 60 like another done
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what was it in the water that caused
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this i don't know but 1964 'he's Rudolph
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the red-nosed reindeer a rankin/bass
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production in claymation there is a
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Charlie Brown Christmas which is
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celebrating its 50th anniversary this
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Christmas from nineteen sixty-five and
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1966 is how the grinch stole christmas
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with an exclamation point
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those are the the
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three specials that we're going to be
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talking about all classics
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you know you could you could say there's
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sort of an inflection point where the
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way Christmas is celebrated and marketed
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really shifted in the early sixties
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after television really hit and all of
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these kind of have that same theme of
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it's not it's not the toys it's not the
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marketing its here's what Christmas is
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all about right what is what is the true
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yes in fact the plots of at least two of
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these specials are really similar as was
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pointed out to me earlier
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really yeah and you know an overarching
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it turns out well we'll get to it also
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I'm always amused by how how much in
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jeopardy Christmas is Christmas is a is
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a is a holiday that is right on the edge
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of being ruined at all times
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there's always been a war on Christmas
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yea verily it is it's true you could it
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could it could fall apart any minute
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except in Whoville but we'll get there
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because we're going to start with
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Rudolph the red-nosed reindeer we're
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gonna go chronologically 1964 this this
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stop-motion animation rankin/bass they
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did a whole lot of specials but this was
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the one that that is I think the most
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famous in that and then made their made
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their careers actually Jules bass and
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artists such as they were so well you
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know your year without the Santa Claus
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your your frosty the snowman your
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hospitals is coming to town yeah there
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they did a bunch mad monster party this
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one so this one of course chronicles the
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story of of Rudolph the red-nosed
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reindeer as taken from the popular song
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you may not realize the from the book
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written by his brother-in-law and you
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have been 37 huh yeah it's a real threat
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was reading your article not a classic
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song a relatively at the time relatively
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recent kind of holiday novelty song and
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turned within like 25 years yeah yeah
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and turned into this story of what would
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really have been like to flesh out the
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story of that of the origin of the
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red-nosed reindeer and how he came to
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guide Santa's sleigh that night and the
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answer is that the North Pole is a
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terrible place full of all judgmental
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people who will brook no difference and
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everybody must be exactly the same to
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the point where his father Donner up
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on Rudolph being born and showing his
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glowing nose says well he's never gonna
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amount to anything now but he knows
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that's true because he's dealt with all
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the a-holes at the North its energy is
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like it's all the creatures my god i
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mean the elves are judgmental the your
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judgment my sanity is awful
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he knows exactly what Santa is going to
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say about it when he discovers it which
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is daughter you should be ashamed of
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yourself which is exactly what Santa
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said yeah you gotta worry about the big
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hole that's full of all the other
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reindeer with like green noses yellow
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noses infra red noses they load your
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ghost of they're all gone and not
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humanely
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yeah that's where reindeer meat comes
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from oh the guy i actually got an x-men
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vibe i tweeted about this i said earlier
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right rootin tootin and he's hated it
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for his mutant power and this isn't know
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where there are flying reindeer that's
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fine that's fine but you better not be a
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mutant with a glowing nose because then
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there is no place for you in this it
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just struck me that any obviously the
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message of this is one about like you
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can you know you we want to enjoy the
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fact that people are different and p
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it's okay to be different that is the
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message it's a very almost free to be
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you and me kind of message but while
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sending it also since the message that
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the North Pole is horrible i forgot
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watching this this time I forgotten how
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annoying the noise was too
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it's one thing that is nose closed but
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it also makes an incredibly noising
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annoying piercing noise
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yeah it has to suspect that might be
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part of that yeah it's true yeah because
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mom and I can't be selfie with with that
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noise that's right but they never bring
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that up do they
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the other very annoying those very noisy
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I like that Sam the Snowman actually
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points out how awful all of the going on
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at the North Pole is when you that he
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pointedly early on calls Rudolph's nose
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a nonconformity mmhmm yeah like he's
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pointing out this awful in a sort of
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1984's society where everyone must
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follow suit and have a normal black
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noses and you don't know what the elves
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do in room 101 well you know big brother
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is watching you that's how he knows that
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you've been not even
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good exactly it's all connected big
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Santa yeah yeah I also forgotten that
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Sam as a friend mechanism of the burl
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ives character is a he started talking a
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framing mechanism right but it sounds
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narrator he's completely it's just sort
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of this strange no other talking stuff i
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mean so we've gotta talking
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self-propelled snowman and that's okay
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too yeah we're talking both worlds
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snowman this world always apparently the
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only one of those so there's no one to
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not conform with his kids yeah
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Burl Ives can get away with a lot 3 i'm
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pretty sure the snowman is only an
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excuse to have somebody as good as Burl
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Ives be in the special LOL yeah that's
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no yeah yeah this is my favorite
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christmas special when I was little I
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remember like because it only aired once
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a year we didn't have it like on VHS or
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whatever and it was the thing I had to
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watch and now it's been several years
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since I've seen it and so I sat down to
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watch it tonight in preparation for the
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show and oh what a let you
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oh my lord what a letdown but I kept
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thinking what whatever it off was gay
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like is this yeah that's interact as
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long as his nose isn't great i think
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you're really okay with that they are
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elves different the first thing the
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first thing that he's encouraged to do
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when he meets the adolescent reindeer
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for the first time to go talk to a girl
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and so right but what was happening in
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this world it is awful it is often but
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it was not saying it's okay to be awful
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to route off its expressly pointing out
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that it's okay to be a misfit I mean
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that's the whole point of the special
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it's true they're just throwing all of
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the beloved things about Christmas in
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the North Pole and Santa Claus under the
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bus to do it which is an interesting
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choice for a 21-8 you didn't catch all
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of that you're just like all these
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people are being pretty awful but come
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on it's Santa I know he's good deep down
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he's just mentioned it even as he rolls
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his eyes at the elves he has to deal
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with these damn elves trying to sing
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songs to him and a wife shoving food
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down his throat just as he just as he
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lost all the way he's gonna make weight
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yeah i mean if you want you all the
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later ranked and
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as things are like the year without a
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santa claus the story of Santa Claus he
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starts out as a young thin guy and he
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has been tortured by mrs. Claus all of
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these years clearly just fattening them
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let's talk about the elves because you
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said that the elves I i enjoy Santa's
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again it's like two aliens point kind of
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enjoying it on a level that i did not
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enjoy it before but there is that level
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there which is why for example i enjoy
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States is contempt for the elves i think
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that is fantastic yeah the scene where
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they sing to him
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they're very proud of their songs
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they're doing their best to sing it the
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best possible way and just Santa reacts
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just with utter disdain the holes are
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looking away arms crossed and the whole
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thing ends and they look to him for his
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assessment he says well it needs work
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where will Ferrell is from in l.a yeah
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it's very clear that itself is taking
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this North Pole story from from this
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special as like the most I think it's
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the biggest influence on that movie
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less the adapter is much less awful that
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then this Santa is but you don't spend
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much time with that as nurse oh it's
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possible he's just as I'm they make that
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obvious with the opening of elf wear it
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where it's all the stop-motion stuff
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yeah it sounds direct there is no yeah
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an elf they're actually caught their
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kind though it's like actually elves
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really feel bad for a matter their kind
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of him but not here because they're not
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because their way we meet Hermey the elf
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who just wants to be a dentist and and
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he doesn't fit in just like will ferrell
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doesn't fit actually an elf and and this
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leads to our body our buddy comedy are
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mismatched buddy comedy with her me and
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rudolf who did who basically are pushed
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out onto an ice flow they decide to
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leave the north pole in the middle of
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the storm and because they are there's
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no place for them there we gotta get
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back up a second though because we
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missed up miss Clarice
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hello police
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if you made it creepy glen and well yeah
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with a bit where he's she's very
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interested in him and he makes this
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giant leap he's thrust ya there
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there's no symbolism well the reason
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that she's she's into him is at that
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point he's wearing that enormous fake
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black nose yes and you know they say
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about the size of reindeers note now I
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don't want to say it I don't know
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actually was hoping you could tell me no
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this clearly predates self because by
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that point the elves have learned the
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lesson of Rudolph so they're nicer too
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mhm okay all right at least someone
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learned headcanon wonder is is the
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enormous black fake nose and the speech
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impediment really better than the tiny
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glowing red nose is like the jimmy
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durante of reindeer Jimmy Durante
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narrated a different one
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he did well I think they felt bad after
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this of all the things they have a
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single out about his difference but
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that's the point of this right it's just
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it doesn't even matter it's just he's
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different from all the others he stands
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out and then and conformity is the order
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of Sam klutzes cruel northern eugenics
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and conformity daughters self-respect is
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more important than comfort
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yeah it's a I'm gonna I'm gonna throw in
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a sixties cartoon aside here by the way
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I grew up on the classic totally weird
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spiderman cartoon and while I was
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watching this I I turned to my wife and
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I said you know
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Wow rules dad is like Jay jonah Jameson
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from the spidey cartoon and then I went
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on IMDb it is the voice agility and some
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of the spiderman cartoon and in fact her
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me is the voice of spider-man from the
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spiderman cartoon network oh yes there's
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more I looked it up there's actually I
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think there are a bunch of people in it
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who are in the spidermans but next time
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you watch it just think the Donner is
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actually just charge mrs. grant from now
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on make sure Peter Parker place takes no
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part in our reporter game yeah i'm tired
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of these teenagers like Rudolph the same
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hermie senses tingling Oh Glenn no all
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right let me tell you about a sponsor on
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the uncomfortable this is it is a good
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it's a kickstarter project from max
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Temkin co-creator of cards against
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humanity
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it's got an interesting name are you
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ready here it is its secret Hitler
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that's right now you may be saying to
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yourself why would you put Hitler in the
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name of a product but you've got here
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with this product is and it'll make
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sense and i also subscribe to the mel
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brooks line of thought which is the more
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things we can say to demean or mock
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hitler the better anyway secret Hitler
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is a game it's a inspired by classic
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party games like mafia or werewolf or
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the resistance if you know those it
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introduces some new mechanics to the
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genre anyway if you're familiar with any
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of those sort of social deduction games
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you will get a little bit about what
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secret Hitler is all about the liberal
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team is trying to keep control of the
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government this is definitely inspired
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by the rise of the Nazis in World before
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world war two and they are a majority
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group right but they have distrust and
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they need to learn to work together to
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overcome fascism and assassinate Hitler
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before he can take over the government
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so it's super intense but it's also
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really interesting and how it tries to
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take a page out of history and
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understand the dynamics that led to the
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rise for somebody who did not have the
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support of the majority but that person
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ended up taking control of the
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government so it is a little bit of
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history and a little bit of social
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commentary and also it falls into this
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social deduction category for played
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werewolf you know what i'm talking about
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very fun and very cool it's on
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Kickstarter now it's already funded
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3,500 people have already backed it so
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when you back it on Kickstarter which
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you can do through december 23rd you're
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going to get the game you're going to
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get the game and you can learn a lot
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more about it see it in action watch the
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videos at secret Hitler dot-com that's
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where you need to go secret Hitler com
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max Temkin who created co-created cards
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against humanity smart guy funny guy
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this is a great idea for a game he's
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done some other game design in the last
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few years that I've really enjoyed i
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encourage you to check it out especially
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if you played any of those social
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deduction games like mafia or werewolf
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I think you will find secret Hitler a
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really intriguing spin on the concepts
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go to secret Hitler calm and thanks to
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max and everybody else pine secret
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Hitler com
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for sponsoring the uncomfortable and by
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the way Glenn was the secret Hitler all
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along they go off and end up almost
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being killed by the about the abominable
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snowman snowman who is the cutest
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monster ever I that poor things that
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we're not there yet but that poor thing
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they have a scale problem also and
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this is all my son notice that wasn't
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figure them out the size of a mountain
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and then later he he's just standing
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inside an hour that's that's a feature
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of rankin/bass like that so it's just
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gonna grate some sweet day their spatial
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awareness is terrible i mean towards the
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beginning daughter like takes off her
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flight and he's still inside the cave
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different like how did he not get stuck
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in the ceiling with his antlers he can
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he can shrink which is unlike the other
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reindeer and that's really freaky I've
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put a lot of thought into my Rudolph
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headcanon heavily now this is only
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appropriate he does start enormous and
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then and then get smaller when he needs
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to be smaller but they avoid you know
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what they say about reindeer with small
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nose now I don't what do they say did
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you might even say he grows oh so anyway
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they end up they literally end up on an
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ice floe in order to avoid the the
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abominable snowman and and they end up
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on the island of misfit toys which is a
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whole set piece where there are there
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are other nonconformist like them
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including a Charlie and in the box
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William which is skipper yeah exactly
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Marianne on the rest and and and there's
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a musical number about the about the
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island of misfit my voice not going to
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do something here though I'm few apps
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which is so just sent like at first my
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memory my headcanon was their abandoned
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their that they're imperfect in the
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elves like send them off there but in
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this I realize there's a this Lots
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flying lion of course and the flying
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lion yeah goes around the world to
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collide and so are they damaged by
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children is this kind of toy story
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scenario and then King what's-his-face
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goes in the the the lion is as land the
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there is actually there i'm telling the
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same cameras you know
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is yeah so yeah the the the facility
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flying line this is it there is a toy
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story thing I think I think I toy story
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is inspired by this in some ways to
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there is in fact a line in here about
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how toys will always want to be played
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with that that is a direct antecedent of
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of the entire concept about how the boys
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story world works
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this is my thinking and and they don't
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go into it for some reason but I'm
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pretty confident that all the misfit
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toys are actually the awful rejects that
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hermes been making all these years I
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heard that too yeah so it's really his
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fault they're there in the first it
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would be creative to get to the island
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and Hermes worshipped as a god
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fantastic no but this is my this is my
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issue though is are these toys liver to
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children and then King moonracer goes
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open oh and he goes and collects them so
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they're giving out and you make that
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they failed the quality control is
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really cool research going around the
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world you know finding some of them so
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maybe so
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hey what he says that but you'll notice
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he lives like half a at Arctic Circle
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away from the North Pole right it's
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pretty obvious where he's getting the
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toys from low i said i think I've
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thought a lot more about my headcanon
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than they thought about the script yeah
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it did not sound like cute little
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elephant with polka dots in the sixties
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is this a new invention because I
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couldn't figure out why the cute polka
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dotted elephant was a rejected toy
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elephants don't have spots tour I know
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that's what I thought but see we come a
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long way back then had a nonconformity
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was not allow always do you want to
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accept that yeah you will at least admit
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that the train with the square wheel
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caboose is under garbage right but oh
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yeah we're not there yet but it had to
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be an aluminum tree haha i'm just saying
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when they eventually deliver that kid
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the the square wheel caboose train at
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the very end when the misfit toys are
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handed out that's get kids got to be on
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the naughty list right Cole or square
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real trade your choice
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it's not that it's just like
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aesthetically unpleasing square wheels
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don't work is true just dragged along i
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mean i've seen teddy bears from from
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like the twenties and thirties and they
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were not photorealistic so i just i
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don't know like i have questions I guess
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no one ever explained what's matter with
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the doll either
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foggy Christmas Eve and Santa's has to
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being ruined at all times and saved by
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Rudolph's hideous mutation and actually
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quickly fashion some sort of head lamp
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for the lead reindeer surely faster than
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it takes to rejigger the harness know if
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its seventh team nope they they tried a
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whole bunch of them and they went up on
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the island of misfit toys before he went
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to go super tall so there's like a whole
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like yeah they just filled with
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headlamps they don't do I the lamps like
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that the circuitry just doesn't work
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they ran out of batteries of it it's a
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really detailed headcanon rato of
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malfunctioning headlamps is in here in
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but then you can see things with the
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aurora borealis we can't we can't ignore
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the abominable snowman and my guidance
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to him lets his let's talk about him
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he's so he's so cute and then then the
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weird dentist elf pulls all his teeth
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how is he supposed to live I don't
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armies almonds has the bumble devoured
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don't see where's the evidence we do see
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him attempting to eat one of the rain
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he just waved it around
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carried by that we like to savor his
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food and it kind of looks like he was
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trying to talk to them they're all the
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they're all gathered around him and he's
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just kind of looking at him and I don't
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know I call shenanigans they remember
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they're all monstrous they are i mean
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even our heroes are awful i mean her me
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rips out all the snow monsters teeth and
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ensure that surely breaks the dentist's
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code of ethics by the way you constantly
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throwing around that pickaxe encouraging
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children to lick pics at pickaxes in the
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middle of winter is not all right don't
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worry because he will be able to feed
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himself because there are four main food
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groups candy candy cane candy corn and
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syrup so he'll be able to take care of
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yourself with some friends
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that's why they need dentists in our
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members only maybe that's where all the
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sacrificed misfit reindeer in the future
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will go just chose movie yeah yeah great
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Yukon Cornelius after all of the teeth
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have been ripped out of this poor
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unassuming snow monster his first
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instinct is to push him off a cliff
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oh my god our hero is I think we need a
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new version of Rudolph that's told from
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the abominable snowman is perspective
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like bailable you know and in Grandal I
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think we need a grand ol because you
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need bumble all Envy bubble and he only
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does it
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that's right Ellie just in the end he'll
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II is happily living with the elbows
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right is because he's gone through some
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sort of reformation and training he's
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somebody's gonna need a common l's
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coming at all right uh any any other
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thoughts about about Rudolph in general
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lien has expressed her disappointment in
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my childhood little rash
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unlike the other two specials we're
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going to talk about this one goes on 44
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double Lincoln hour-long special and and
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that is one of my problems with it is
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it's so slow and had they cut it in 30
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minutes they could probably have done a
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fairly straight retelling of Rudolph the
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red-nosed reindeer filler stuff and it
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would have been a better special
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together
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well ranked invested that I mean almost
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all other specials were an hour or 90
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minutes long
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yeah I'd I knew that things over the
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years have been cut as commercials had
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become more and more plentiful but I had
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forgotten there's like two song of
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recaps that you know totally you don't
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see anymore these days that you know
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like you said
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all the stuff doesn't need to be there
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to tell the story I think the island of
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misfit toys as part of its appeal and
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that's not in the song and all that but
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yeah they're so there's an awful lot
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that that goes on that this maybe not
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not necessary it doesn't it space it is
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pasted from a from a different time
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perhaps but they had a whole hour to
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fill and the song glass or three minutes
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so what you're going to do it definitely
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a different time I had forgotten just
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how just how firmly delineating the
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sexes the role of the sexes no other
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boys played the reindeer games while the
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girls watched and you know women don't
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get to go to a doctor tries to tell his
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wife you know do you know this is no
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place for a woman I'm going to go find
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it off his wife Shannon do you mean mrs.
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Donner she has no name
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she is a nameless female reindeer but
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you'll note that when Donner heads off
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looking for Rudolph telling her is man's
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work she immediately says screw you
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yes your honor of that is the way
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history yeah couple things I want to
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point out first of all you know for all
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the talk of how great the misfits are
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you'll note at the end that Santa
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doesn't bother to hand-deliver the
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misfit toys no he just keeled over
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outside with an umbrella you don't want
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to them there's probably even a house
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down there is a hundred miles out over
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the Pacific like firing t-shirts route
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off i'm john gonna deliver these misfit
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toys splash this jet engine other thing
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it and this is only interesting as a
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potential barbette but i don't think
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we'll get to this but i don't think that
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Charlie Brown ever says good grief in
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his christmas special but the elf
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Foreman and Rudolph lays out a good
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hearty good grave at one point so you
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know next time you're in a bar on
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Christmas special with with a music by
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well Charlie Brown good old Charlie
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into directing a Christmas play by Lucy
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prank so but she doesn't have to do the
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Charlie Brown it's chaos they sent
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Charlie Brown out to get a tree he goes
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to a Christmas tree lot that's full of
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like multicolored aluminum Christmas
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trees and buys the saddest homeless
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christmas tree you'll ever see
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they mock infected then leave
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needles are constantly coming off they
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mock him for it when he returns it but
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in the end he takes it back to to his
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house i guess and and the it it's a
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pretty nice tree after all and they all
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see it and they wave their hands around
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it becomes a much larger tree that is
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well decorated magic
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Christmas lights contest and winds and
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that's the light for Charlie Brown
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Christmas basically yeah
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yes so i think i think this one still
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more or less holds up
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weekly comic strips that's it's the
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sit back and sort of let it wash over
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kind of you know kind of get in the
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totally the music the couple days ago I
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had students working on something and
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somebody was like you know what
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Christmas music I'm ready for christmas
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music the center put on some Christmas
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music and so I fired up Pandora and
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vince guaraldi and you know here starts
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the linus and lucy theme and the next
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thing you know three for three quarters
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of my kids they're working and their
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heads are popping because they're and
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dana and then of course the most
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energetic one gets up and starts
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imitating all the dances but can also be
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the state you're doing it's just amazing
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how mean everyone is Charlie Brown which
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I realize the stick but somehow in the
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strips it comes across the slightly more
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gentle or it's a gag and she watched it
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once you want and left a bunch of it
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here in the last few weeks and i am just
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like yeah everyone is a total jerk to
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him like big there's no respect for his
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feelings even in the slightest degree
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but then then it's like the redemption
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is all yeah I guess you're okay
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he's like alright he's got PTSD the poor
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kid so what I've said about this on at
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the point of our previous holiday
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episodes is that the the individual
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elements of this should totally not work
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together
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I mean the animation is halting at best
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the fact that the jazz music as great as
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it is is mixed in with this particular
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show is really weird
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yes they the use of kids who couldn't
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even read so they had to feed them one
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line at a time should have been a train
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Sally especially is like can barely even
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get the words out
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ok which is the best she's the best part
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I know I know I know it's just funny
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because it is all it is genuinely a
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little kid
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yeah and it's I mean it comes out so
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natural even though it's so unnatural
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and and but somehow the the the
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combination of these weird disparate
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things that should totally not work
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makes such a beautiful pie i guess but
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yeah I mean it just it works so well and
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it really shouldn't I mean and you can
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kind of understand like what I mean
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everything was done in six months I
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guess we're gonna stretch it i guess
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they finished in a couple of weeks
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before it was supposed to air and I
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imagine the animating the peanuts gang
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must have been just this totally
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difficult undertaking since I mean
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strips the characters don't follow any
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of the known laws of physics right their
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heads change shape when they turn and
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all sorts of weird stuff and somehow
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they managed to do it in this short
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period of time and make it all work
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which is crazy that there's a there's a
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great onstage there's a camera shift
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where you go from straight onto to side
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like you're looking out from the wings
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and it's really funny because it's like
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well we only really have these two
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angles of the characters being drawn so
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we're there either from the front or
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from the side and they do it and it it
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yeah it's it's it's it works that they
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make it look like a moving version of a
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comic strip which is what it is so
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that's fine i also this this is actually
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a very strange Christmas special because
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it actually involves Christ I know that
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sounds bizarre but actually I was gonna
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wreck the thing to once i know there's
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like because it goes off and starts
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reading from the bible the bible reading
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right in the middle of this thing to say
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in those
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not my religion I like the fact that
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actually in a Christmas special where
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Charlie round starts the thing off
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unhappy with the commercialization that
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you get the payoff that Linus actually
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you know read from the Bible and like
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you know even not being a christian i
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preciate that in a show that they're
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actually you know this is going on it's
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cool and the reading is so simple and
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yeah yeah yeahs Linus voice that it even
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as a non-believer it actually sort of
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moves me a little bit exact well i know
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that the nice thing is it doesn't it
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doesn't force any religion on you it
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doesn't specify that any of them are any
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particular religion
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it just says here's why this holiday is
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here and that's why we're here and it's
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about this baby and that's that and and
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it's okay you can take from that
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whatever you want and it's just it's i
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mean it it really answered like a tabula
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rasa it's wonderful that way and and
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then you know at the very end they all
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come together and sing hark the herald
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angels sing which again you don't often
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hear real Christmas carols in a
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Christmas special app and it's just I i
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tier of every time i hear Linus now
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likes place it's you know it's just that
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moment yeah yeah and I'm and from that
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point on I'm gonna I'm done you know how
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Fred Rogers there's the fred rogers
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quote about look for the helpers when
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bad things are happening me look for the
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helpers I look for Snoopy and in
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especially the special because he's just
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hilarious throughout the whole thing
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he's just you know he gets he makes
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everybody lighter you know he's playing
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on the ice and you get everybody two
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together on this like I don't know I
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skating conga line decorates his his his
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house he's you know dancing on the piano
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and and I think that that Snoopy might
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actually be one of those connecting
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threads that makes it all work because
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he's their agent of chaos and you didn't
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yeah I think wisely hear the rain in the
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snoopy shenanigans a little bit where
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you don't I mean as much as I love the
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great pumpkin that sequence with the Red
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Baron is interminable yeah yeah i want
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to point out that i think- we're just
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talking about it i know but i think he's
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actually underrated here and elsewhere i
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mean i think he gets the spotlight
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literally but he's the only one who
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respects Charlie right listens to us
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it's always when we goes tree shopping
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with him right everybody else is just
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sending them off to get rid of him
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the Atlantis is not a jerky actually
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genuinely may feel sorry for me actually
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generally like to spend time with no he
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said he's the sidekick and analyst and
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and he's like charlie brown toyota yeah
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I understood for the first time ever
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having seen this probably hundreds of
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times as a reason I yelled come on
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earlier i realized that Lucy actually
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does Charlie Brown a genuine act of
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kindness
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yes ug actually asked questions i think
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completely on ironically to direct the
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Christmas play and then she offers to
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help him do it
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I mean it happens that it's gonna be a
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train wreck and we know that going in
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but it's sheet you really does do a nice
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selfless thing for Charlie Brown and
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they're walking away she sort of
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commiserates with him and and I realized
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that she Lucy's not all bad either
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no I was thinking that must have been
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really hard for her although this is the
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same world who later tries to punch a
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dog in the face right yeah but wouldn't
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you know
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no not Snoopy I commercialism right so
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here we get the you know it's so
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commercial this holiday so commercial
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and I guess this was the thing to talk
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about in the mid-sixties that's the name
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of this and and the grinch in a way I
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think it
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the theme is like christmas has become
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this thing that isn't it isn't what it
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used to mean man
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which is funny because now you know what
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is left but commercial hit something
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Christmastime commercialism yeah it's
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it's black friday weekend thanks getting
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yeah exactly so so I think it's on one
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level I think it is pressure on another
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level I think it's kind of quaint that
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this is the concern but that's what
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that's what leads to the power of minus
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giving his reading is that you know that
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the whole message here is that it's easy
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to get caught up in all of the things
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that are around christmas and the
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trappings of it without you know and
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then you lose perspective about what
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it's really about whether it is very
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specifically about this religious
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holiday or even more generally the
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meaning behind it rather than the all of
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the mechanisms of you know get a present
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and go over here and and do this and do
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that instead of the celebration and the
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love and the family and all those things
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I just I go back to Sally you know like
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we talked about earlier
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earlier and how I actually looked up on
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wikipedia i tried different to find how
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old she was in this I figured like three
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or four you know and just just like that
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she knows you know if you've ever
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written a christmas list or gift list
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for a little kid like they know exactly
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what we want
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how about tens and twenties maybe it's a
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I wanted to call it how great i think
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the the background art is in some of
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these specials particularly the
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watercolors that they use for the night
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skies the blandishments there they're
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beautiful i mean that the coloring is
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fantastic i love when they go out
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shopping for Christmas trees and if ya
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gettin into the sunset at the opening of
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the great pumpkin tooth they're just
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somehow perfectly evocative of the
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season that they're trying to represent
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one of the things I love about the music
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is how a lot of it wasn't meant as
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christmas music and it was bill melendez
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listening to some of the some of the
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girls just random stuff i mean he didn't
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even write a score specifically for this
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they picked some random stuff and the
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song we all know as christmas time is
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here he just went events would be right
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if i write some lyrics for this because
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it sounds kind of Christmassy and that's
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how that
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oh that's was born now it's gonna really
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yeah i think of the jazz piano stuff now
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is being kind of innately Christmassy
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which of course it isn't but but for HCL
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even Christmas yet
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yeah this is my favorite I i would say
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this is probably my favorite Christmas
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album that when when thanksgiving passes
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and the moratorium was lifted vince
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guaraldi comes out and he's being played
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pretty much yeah like constantly for
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this is your present wrapping music now
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and forever
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yep I could I could probably skip every
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other Christmas album and just leave
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this one
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yeah i think so i really like that every
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small movement that Pigpen makes even
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just turning his clouds billowing up
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around is it a lot of nice little
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details like that i would like to take a
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break now to tell you about another
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sponsor here at the uncomfortable this
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sponsor is underpants
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the phone
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yes and I will not understand it isn't
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sometimes world and it's not i used to
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only could get him for like one
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recording session that wasn't that good
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was on its dying breath yeah exactly
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there's something terribly wrong with
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it's great but yet he he does sound like
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he is calling on the phone to read you
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the story he was very very old at that
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circumstances to record it
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singing is by what's getting thorough
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Ravens right there or great Souls I tony
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the tiger
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oh yeah he's low voice singer in the
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graveyard scene and his head is one of
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the bus as somebody who has read many
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many dr. Seuss books to my children I i
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enjoy this story I enjoy the fact that
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so many Seussian aspects to it the fact
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that that there at one point is a list
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of nonsensical things that goes on and
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on and on
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that is the most dr. seuss thing ever
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the list of various nonsensical things
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that are in that rhythm with those
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rhymes made-up words it's so it's so
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great and that the grinch I'll what I
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love about the plot of this is it is
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just he is just the inverse Santa Claus
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he sneaks into everybody at buddy's
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houses on Christmas Eve and takes all
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their stuff i think that's so great
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addressed to Santa Claus and once he's
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done with everything else he's eating
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the food is taking all the presence then
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he then he drags the Christmas tree over
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to the gym need to throw that thing up
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there and only then is he spotted by
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little Cindy Lou Who I so i love i love
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the the story of it and in the end the
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plot resolution is basically that the
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grinch realizes the Christmas is ok
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after all and then we just fine but what
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about about it is unlike unlike so many
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of the Christmas specials christmas is
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never in jeopardy because the grinch
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essentially does do his you know the his
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evil plan to ruin Christmas and it
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doesn't work because the whos in
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whoville are just super happy and they
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get what Christmas is all about about
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like Charlie Brown and so it's all fine
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and that's when his heart grows many
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sizes in the Grinch's defense the who's
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at least in televised form are utterly
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horrible with their infernal flu flu
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bezane they're awful tartan don't hate
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the following their hooves and banging
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their cart Incas yeah they are you
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geology that makes absolutely no sense i
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mean when you've got like it apparently
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a fully adult thing handing this giant
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strawberry to a two-year-old who dwarfs
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they're just so loud and off-putting
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whose are not sympathetic characters we
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never had a problem with Christmas
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spatial relations space
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yeah this is Gail I'm just saying that I
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too would feel compelled to take their
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Popguns Pamplona Spain to Kazan drums
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checkerboards bizzle banks popcorn and
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plums it so I understand what the Grinch
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is coming from here I can think is I
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think you started right I don't know
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about agree with his methods but i think
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his attitude is correct
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interesting i also wonder why does cindy
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lou who sit at the head of the table are
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they ruled by her she's yeah she's like
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Anthony in that Twilight's I just
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to say is this anthony suggestion is
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mind control them all with your creepy
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antenna what's it's good that she's in
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charity it's real good
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mr. Grinch so this is actually my or was
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growing up my least favorite Christmas
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special
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oh and I didn't grow up my mom didn't
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read dr. Seuss to me and I had books but
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she didn't she didn't read them to me
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I I remember her refusing to read the
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spring but I didn't like like he kind of
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scared me the grinch kind of scared me
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and the fact that he had begun of that
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low weird voice through the tuba and
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that kind of freaked me out and and like
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I don't know it and even still I can
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watch it and it brings up of course this
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childhood feelings are like I don't this
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makes me uncomfortable and I really
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don't know why is an adult and but yeah
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maybe I'm i think i'm one of the very
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few people who actually doesn't really
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have an affinity for dr. Seuss
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oh you're breaking my heart your
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personal guard
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I'm sorry the creatures you know and
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he's screwed like character right he
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just doesn't want this and he's got his
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and he's got his dog sidekick who is
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adorable and funny x long-suffering all
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yeah yeah he's like her me
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Oh although we never removes anyone's
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was not my favorite christmas special
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when I was very young that you know I
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rankin/bass and stuff like that up but I
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still watched it because I was a dr.
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seeing Looney Tunes cartoons and they're
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different areas this is the visuals are
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so Chuck Jones berry and you know that's
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damn day but it's it's not a rare
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commodity like the peanuts specials that
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something is all the time to the grinch
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always friends just a little bit i don't
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know generic and kinda like a road
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runner cartoon a few points right yeah
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for me I love it I love that the context
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in this totally different environment
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it's impossible
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the tip of the cap falling after
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everything I was yelling you know all
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those things as as i get older and know
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more about art and cartooning and all
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those sort of things I appreciate that
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teeter-tottering yeah I like it better
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more and I think maybe that is because
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whole kind of weird package of chuck
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jones and and Boris Karloff with the
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narration and the music with that
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they're especially the repeating you're
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a mean one mr. Grinch throughout the
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right thing which is a great song but
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that's alright god lyrics
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yes but from garlic in your soul of
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arsenic sauce that's like you know the
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more you can hear it as an adult and you
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can pick out all the big words that you
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don't know as a kid and it's just
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funnier every time I just like your
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heart is full of unwashed socks your
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soul is full of gunk you have fantastic
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nauseous super nauseous
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you're freaking dirty jockey and you
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drive a crooked hall and again it's one
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of those that things that you know
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commercial sort of started squeezing
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things in and you've lost like a verse
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or two and a couple of the transition
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scenes where he still busy taking
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everything and up from everybody I was
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not crazy about the book when I was
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little but I loved the chuck jones
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animation and and again it's those
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little touches that he threw in there
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and i love the song the song is such a
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good song and it's it's you know
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ravenscraft to such a wonderful job with
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it you know and so even even when I was
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little I wasn't crazy about the show or
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the story but I watched it for the art
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and the music and and i'm happy i just
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found this out this is bugged me for
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decades in Snoopy come home he's also
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the voice of no zone
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and you know it's it's one of those
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things that never occurred to me to look
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up but now that we're all talking about
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it's like oh let's see what else he did
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look up so is it as a song I mean
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there's not a lot to it what what is
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great about it is the words that are in
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it and the fact that repetition is it
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gets you know you you get to what's
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going to come was gonna say this time
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around and that's the just as a as a
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thing to pull you through the story it's
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it's so great i mean they're they're
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delightful words it yet it's not it's
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not like a song it's not fully
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constructed song but he he's kind of the
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the MVP of the song because he acts it's
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so thoroughly and he pulls you along I
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mean that you can be good just saying it
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you're a mean one mr. Grinch but it's
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like you're a mean one
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I mean you can peel his mouth wrapping
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around every word it'sit's the the
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religious aspect here is a little bit of
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a prodigal son is a mix up the prodigal
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son doesn't usually steal everything and
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then come back with that but is that
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it's like that that was in the apartment
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first people you know you be roast the
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category the fatted calf and you serve
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it out of the cabin a prodigal sons at
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the right side right and so Susan Ballou
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who is the added humour blue Matthew
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must be some roast beast you wrote the
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roast beast but I think there's a there
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is a biblical thing is like he commits a
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kind of wrong with no one is aware of it
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so it's actually odd more thing that he
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comes back and they accepted as if he's
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giving them a gift because they are so
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free from materialism and then he sat at
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the right hand of God you know the city
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like he's a this is the truth of Santa
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Clauses he steals all your stuff and
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just give it back to you and detests
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roast beef initially because he's on the
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side of the roast beast easily gifter
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vegan but he's turned to the good side
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then he's happy to carve the Beast
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himself
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what kind of animal does that come from
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it had no bones throughout the beating
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so yeah it's Abby's it's a place with
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roasted a boneless beasts of the whose
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they don't talk about it it's a flim
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hammer flugel it had a glowing no older
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they get
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and then they become the feasts car by
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slim school it's how the cycle of
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who-ville continues the ones who walk
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away from Whoville I got dark side
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so here's the here's the question of
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these three what one now who haven't
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really watched them is the one that you
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like the best
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Charlie Brown saying yeah Charlie Brown
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natural around Steve Charlie Brown
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without a doubt because in addition to
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still be entertaining as more than just
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nostalgia it also still works i think
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i'm an emotional level which which the
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others well Rudolph's simply doesn't and
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the grinch does to a lesser extent I
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think but Charlie Brown still works on
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me like gangbusters and it's still love
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yep the kids of today still enjoyed my
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kids would this was all the selected
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when we were driving for thanksgiving or
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christmas to to various relatives houses
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long long distances the video that would
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get watch the most would be the Charlie
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Brown holiday videos the Christmas and
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and the great pumpkin and thanksgiving
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and they would just just endlessly in
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fact i think my daughter would just
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watch charlie brown thanksgiving all
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year round which is baffling to me but
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it was there was something about it just
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she found it very soothing the peanuts
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are soothing just in general and I was
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just thinking about it this morning that
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you know if you think about a lot of
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classic Christmas stories and even even
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things that have been adapted over and
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over again like you know what sitcom
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hasn't done a christmas carol and you
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know mr. Magoo's Christmas Carol
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everyone talks about who i used to watch
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that when I was yeah and it's wonderful
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life that and but but they're all about
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one person changing even it's a
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wonderful life is about George Bailey
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changing right and and discovering his
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own goodness and all that how important
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it is to be good and whatever and and
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the thing that's really interesting
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about Charlie Brown Christmas is the
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lesson there is everyone else change
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oh he never changes really he gets a
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little more confidence but its line is
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saying it's okay Charlie Brown you're
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right we've all lost sight of this
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you're the one who's got the ion on
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Christmas
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that's a really interesting thing and
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that's very inclusive to everybody in
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the audience right because we sort of
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you know we're all watching the
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commercials for target and setting up
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our house and doing all the things but
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we still kind of identified with Charlie
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Brown and then it's at the end where
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Linus calls everybody announces yeah
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that's all extra stuff here's here's the
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deal i do love the bit where he goes
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outside and he looks up at the stars and
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a rehears Linus's little sweet yeah and
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he just has that happy little smile on
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his face it's like I know what brief
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moment of of joy in Charlie Brown's
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awful awful life you know it's yours
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everybody still hates you and you're
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still bald and you have that one
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distressing piece of hair but you're not
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going to house so it's all right and
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there's a wonderful moment where you
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know that he takes the the ornament and
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puts it on the tree and it collapses and
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he goes right back to it's like oh I
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killed it and that's when everybody else
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has figured out what Linus was saying
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and they come together and they want to
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translate very sweet you know and so
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great yeah the Grinch has a song or
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everybody sings everybody's happy at the
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end of this one actually has a point
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so that's why I that's what Charlie
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Brown's Christmas is all about Charlie
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Brown Charlie better
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well I we were in shocking agreement
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here that's good because you know it
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wouldn't be the holidays if we didn't
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gather around the table and not argue
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Christmas miracle I know Jewish and
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vegetables while the Jewish cartoon
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specials where the Jewish girl turns but
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grats come on crazy nights Glenn come on
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grunts hey hebrew hammer a more general
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a non-denominational question why have
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they failed to come up with a more
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classics like this since roughly around
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90 years of the other reindeer and was
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trying to do this and it actually is
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kind of fun and parts but I don't think
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it started
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it's a little bit too much Jason but
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it's too long trying too hard to it's
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too commercial
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dammit yes it's about the commercialism
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I was wondering cuz i don't watch TV so
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so what are the kids watching nowadays
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are there new well they still they still
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rerun these occasionally there are new
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specials made and they were in the
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seventies there was a raft of new
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specials some of which are okay most of
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which are our kind of like diminishing
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returns like the rankin/bass I mean abs
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baby did they did the year without a
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santa clauses to the grande and then
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they did yes it's the new years one with
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the New Year's baby which is just just
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ridiculous
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and-and-and you believe it or not there
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is an arbor day Charlie Brown cartoon
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there is of course
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yeah so it kind of got it I got really
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flowers on his pitcher's mound is
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everything all however you know in a ray
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of a brightness of holiday specials in
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the seventies there is the star wars
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holiday special so you should check that
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one somewhere sorry told me not to watch
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the that's not denominator know it was a
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lot like watching I was totally alive
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its non-denominational its life day is
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just like the army so there's nothing
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more in it Glenn you what I said I want
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to really get into it with the the Paul
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Lynde halloween special just stuck with
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one or both of those make you feel
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better about being alive
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it's it's strange though that something
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nothing has really captured I think the
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zeitgeist like some of these old sixties
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ones yeah i mean the fact that these are
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all from the mid-sixties yeah you know
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and part of it is probably because
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everything is so splintered now I mean
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back when this aired it got you know
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like a 50 cher like half half of the tvs
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that were on were watching it yeah you
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had three networks and PBS and this was
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the only time you could see it at one
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time of year
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that's right even like the video 89 you
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think there's enough audience but the
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anime animation was out of style
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I think that's part of the innovation
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fellows style for a period of time until
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it got me introduced into a prime-time
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inserted developed into a new things I
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think there's a point which these were
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making this kind of you almost got there
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glad you mentioned night he made in 1989
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didn't you
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of course in December 1989 the modern
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prime-time cartoons for adults era
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kicked off with the simpsons roasting on
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an open fire fire first episode of the
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simpsons which was itself a Christmas
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special which i should say actually does
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sort of work as a as a classic Christmas
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yeah it is it's pretty good it's
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heartfelt some little helper
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oh that isn't as good as not forgotten
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about that was the time if only the
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simpsons were available to view in any
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right David about this discipline during
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the the anticipation when there was a
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CBS christmas special coming on back in
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those days and there was an
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nothing all day ya do ya do two children
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together they do actually um horde these
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now where they're usually only shown on
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I once right you know you can watch them
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on video anytime tunes i have the DVD of
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Charlie Brown Christmas you don't
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remember my parents like saying oh we're
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all going to sit down and watch Charlie
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Brown tonight so and and now it's like
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well we got other stuff to do will put
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yeah that's right you had you had
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several generations and then of parents
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sitting there kids dancing i watch this
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when I was the way you're going to love
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this and they grew up with it and now I
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mean yeah my kids watch it and they
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watch it will they pull out the DVD and
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put it on themselves em that's the best
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part by the way where they take a breath
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in between everything and they actually
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animate all the kids taking a breath
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simultaneously pop and I and I just love
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the merry christmas charlie brown just
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that the rhythm of that it's it's one of
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those kind of your word phrases it's
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just stuck in my head I love his little
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hop when he sees the Christmas tree yes
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yes yeah i totally understand my current
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stuff is not is not classic but you're
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right there is that seventies eighties
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period that suspect yellow alright well
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this has been enjoyable and it was fun
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to watch these i did watch these with my
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entire family including my children in
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the last figure considering children's
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party it's good i do i do well you know
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some of the video special it's that time
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of year some of the videos are not that
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we watch for this podcast I don't touch
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with my family but these I got to and
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that was nice and I encourage everybody
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out there you can you can find him and
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you should go watch especially charlie
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brown how I hate him now i would like to
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thank my guests for talking about
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Christmas specials with me mr. Steve
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let's thank you welcome Jason every
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Christmas it's the same i was end up
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being on one of your podcasts Englishman
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thank you i gotta rock
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on holiday glad it's so incredibly
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disturbing Shannon sudderth thank you
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pleasure as always allene sims thank you
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very much thank you David jail or thank
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you and every thought it was such a bad
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little tree it's not bad at all really
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if he just needs a little love maybe it
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just needs a little love love that Linus
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thanks everybody
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see you next week hey Steve
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yeah what's up Jason went Wheels Battle
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it's a tweetable battle and if they
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battle in a bottle it's a tweetable
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bottle battle and if they battle in a
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bottle with some butter on a beetle it's
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a tweetable battle battle little metal
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puddle model but it's the bottles and
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oodles and boodles eating noodles
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it will be a bottle bottle poodle paddle
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Model Model Model mr. Fox sir his
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sticker shock sir
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and may God have mercy on your soul
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