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00:00:37 ◼   ► november 2015 [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► welcome back everybody to the [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► incomparable i am your host Jason smell [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► and I am joined by three fellows who are [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► going to join me in discussing all men [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► all matters well not all matters some [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► matters robotic or artificially [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► intelligent we're gonna talk about two [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► recent films with very interesting takes [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► on the question of artificial [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► intelligence and perhaps we'll leave [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► some time for some tangents about other [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► films that also have touched on these [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► issues the two films in question in on [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► this episode 2013 spike jonze joint [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► called her I i called a joint even [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► though he's not spike lee he spike jonze [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► because that's a that was a reference [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► and now explaining it made it not as [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► good and ex machina a british science [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► fiction film from this very year of 2015 [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► starting a bunch of people who are in [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► the new Star Wars movie but anyway uh [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► huh [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► joining me to talk about both of these [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► films and perhaps other robots and a is [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► killer and not brian hamilton hello and [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► welcome [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► hi I'm here your i hope so are you here [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► despite Jim's made a movie called i am [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► here so i guess the answer that question [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► for us [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► ok thank you Brian you've confused me [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► already but that's okay are you are [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► you're hotter not David laura is also [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► here [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► hello I'll be with you in a minute i'm [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► downloading a thing on my phone that's [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► really interesting and well we'll get to [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► that and john stark you see you have [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► passed a an exam at work and I'm [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► inviting you to my remote compound for a [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► mysterious it's unexplained reason [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► will you come I'm starting to get the [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► feeling that Hollywood doesn't like [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► artificial intelligence or computers you [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► think anything or silicon valley [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► billionaires quite honestly now I mean [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► and but you know who does who does where [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► should we start should we start with her [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► I think that's the chronologically we [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► should start with her [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► yes alright so spike jonze a very [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► interesting director you may know him [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► from directing that weezer video buddy [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► holly that was where I first heard of [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► mr. spike jonze but he's made a whole [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► bunch of interesting [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► films i believe this is the first film [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► that he's written all by himself but but [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► you know he made being john malkovich he [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► made adaptation which I hated but i [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► really like being john malkovich you [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► made where the wild things are and her [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► in 2013 [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► so I guess we'll start there Joaquin [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► Phoenix is your lead really nice [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► performance from amy adams in this and [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► of course the voice of Scarlett [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► Johansson is her Samantha who is a an [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► intelligent computer they don't refer to [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► them as a eyes which i think is [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► interesting and her they call them os's [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► operating systems because maybe they [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► thought a I was too nerdy but OS wasn't [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► i'm not quite sure I'm sense to me [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► because I guess yeah [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► ki is much more like science fictiony [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► and os I guess especially now with no OS [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► 10 and iOS is much more down-to-earth [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► well because it said in the phone and [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► and you know he's trying to make the [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► point that you have this in your pocket [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► basically you know he did the AI is kind [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► of distant whereas OS we all have it [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► fair enough fair enough i just think I [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► thought it was an interesting creative [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► choice to take it out of the realm [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► you're right of science fiction and [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► trying to make it one of the things i [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► like about this movie because it said [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► Annie no near future ish right and i [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► think they do a very good job with some [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► of the the art direction in her that you [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► feel like you feel like you are in the [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► near future and that they have thought [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► of some things to make it feel a little [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► bit different but it also isn't like [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► Blade Runner flying car kind of stuff [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► it's meant to be you know 10 years in [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► the future or five years in the future [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► or something like that something where [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► you're going to say 20 minutes [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► well I was on and then I changed it [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► because old reference lost on younger [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► viewers but it does have that like Max [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► Headroom 45 minutes like Max Headroom [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► this is this is not now but not too far [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► away where this thing takes place and I [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► thought they did a good job of it ever [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► feeling like you know not crazy sci-fi [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► future but but close future [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► well I think you're right about them [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► wanting it to feel like oh you can [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► relate to this cuz [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► you have a cell phone and you use [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► computers and this is not that weird and [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► they're wearing like hipster clothes but [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► that's not that weird either but they [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► also like the heart of the movie they [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► also want to have essentially you [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► they're going to call it artificial [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► intelligence artificial intelligence [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► yeah and I guess that kind of works for [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► people who don't care but this is [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► another one of those movies even though [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► it does want to be sci-fi that doesn't [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► really if you put something in the heart [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► of the movie the consequences of which [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► would make the rest of the movie not the [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► way it is like so you know who get to [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► the plot eventually but the whole idea [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► is there's this computer that it the [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► operating systems that people relate to [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► a sort of friends or whatever and [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► eventually it is really on this is this [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► is just like a real person so what if [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► Siri got really really really good right [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► but but the societal consequences of the [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► existence of that technology are so [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► massive that it's kind of weird to tell [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► like this personal story about this guy [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► and everyone else like oh you know we [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► have this thing where we essentially [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► created electronic life but mostly it's [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► about this lonely guy and there are no [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► other consequences from the technology [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► which I guess works in the context of [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► the movie because you are supposed to [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► really care about what does this mean [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► for the rest of humanity accept that [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► kind of slammed in that direction at the [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► end but i really felt in Congress to me [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► the the tech premise and the sort of the [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► emotional character story in this movie [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► all right i'm gonna fire off the spoiler [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► for now because all I'm going to do is [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► synopsize the plot from her [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► so in her Joaquin Phoenix is falling out [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► of a of a marriage and he's separated [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► from his wife and he's getting a divorce [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► and he has this and he's got hey in a [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► twee element that I felt was right out [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► of a charlie kaufman screenplay [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► even though of collaborators spike jonze [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► but but not involved here he is [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► he writes bespoke letters for other [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► people [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► that's his job bizarre just bizarre but [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► anyway he sets up a an operating system [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► this the basically on his phone and and [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► it gets a customized personality and [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► it's samantha and that's Scarlett [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► Johansson's voice and he's taken aback [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► by how real she seems and she learns and [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► grows with him and he basically falls in [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► love with the voice in the little [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► earpiece that he puts into interact with [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► the internet and the idea is that this [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► is how you interact with the internet [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► you got a little earpiece it can see you [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► can talk to you and it can query all the [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► data on the world and process it and [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► tell you what you need to know which i [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► think is actually a pretty decent [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► extrapolation of what kind of technology [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► we might get in the future but by making [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► it so personal [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► mr. mr. Twombley gets a good falls falls [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► in love with with a the voice in his ear [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► and she professes feelings for him and [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► this up causes issues hehe oh in one [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► scene painful scene he he goes to his [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► ex-wife to sign the final divorce papers [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► and says that he's an in love with her [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► his phone basically and she mocks him [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► and he talks about relationship stuff [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► with his his longtime friend played by [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► amy adams who I really liked and she [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► convinces to go on a date the [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► relationship progresses and and at one [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► point [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► scarlett johansson actually ah they hire [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► a surrogate who is basically a I don't [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► even know how to say it because i don't [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► want to say a a prostitute but a sex [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► worker whose job it is to act as a [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► surrogate for people who are either i [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► presume remote or for artificial [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► intelligences to have a physical [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► presence [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► in the world and he kind of freaks out [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► and and the capper of the entire film is [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► that the the a is the OS is announced [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► that they have become that they've been [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► they've been accelerating into in [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► intelligence throughout the movie and [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► now they reached the point where they're [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► able to like process information without [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► even the use of matter and they're gonna [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► enter probably like another universe or [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► something where they can become super [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► intelligent some things and they're [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► leaving humanity behind and she says [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► goodbye and they leave and that's the [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► end of the movie so going to step back [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► to the surrogates the the thing that [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► surprised me the most about this movie [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► there's a ton of really great hand [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► father in here because they talk so much [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► about the the relationship between [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► Samantha and Theodore they never say Sam [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► instead they always say Samantha and [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► Theodore and they they really don't go [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► that in depth in the technology at all [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► and you mentioned earlier how weird it [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► is that it's so personal despite the [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► fact there's all these really amazing [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► changes going on technologically and the [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► other thing that surprised me especially [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► about the circuit which is my most [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► difficult seen the movie to say the [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► least that seems always hard to watch [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► this movie a few times it's never [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► pleasant but what kind of culture has [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► evolved from these os's I mean we are [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► only maybe an hour hour and 15 minutes [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► into the movie when we get to the [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► surrogate scene and all the sudden [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► there's already this culture of [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► surrogate sex partners and reading [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► circles and all these other things that [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► are involved with with these OS is that [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► it seems like we just got maybe I don't [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► know how much time has passed the movie [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► had to have been maybe a month or two [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► and i'll know and yeah who knows they [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► come on the market and then they're [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► super intelligent methian it's a stretch [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► but i'm watching the speaking of [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► headcanons another situation we're [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► watching a movie that there's a lot to [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► appreciate about this movie like the way [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► it's shot and and the the actors are all [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► good and script is actually pretty good [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► too but I'm also kind of rewriting it in [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► my head and saying you can make a very [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► similar movie about this guy in the same [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► situation because a lot of what they [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► talked about like computer things being [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► not sophisticated enough but people [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► being easily fooled into having feelings [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► for things that aren't [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► not actually other people right like [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► right so there's this plenty of existing [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► technology where people get fascinated [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► with characters in the movie who aren't [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► real people or are you know videogame [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► things or other sort of our even you [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► know like I'm not saying anyone is [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► actually love with Syria but maybe [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► there's someone out there but like that [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► he doesn't take much to get a lonely [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► person to latch on to something i think [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► it was the movie forget what it was [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► called [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► I keep thinking dead rubber girl because [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► of the broader common line episode but [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► the 10 largest large your girl right [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► which is clearly the movie is not about [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► guess what the real girl comes to like [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► no that's not I've never seen this movie [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► but anyway the whole idea is that it's [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► easy to get people attached and to [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► something that's not real and so you [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► could have most of the first half of the [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► movie of this guy eventually falling in [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► love with essentially something this is [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► dumb as Syria where there's no actual [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► person there's not even an attempted [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► intelligent that he's so desperate for [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► connection that he finds it in this [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► computer thing but then you don't get [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► the big finale and the whole sci-fi [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► angle and the reveal and everything like [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► that and it seems like they wanted to [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► have that rather than just having this [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► person go on some journey and have some [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► revelation of the fact that you know [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► like when when his soon-to-be ex-wife is [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► mocking him for being in love with his [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► phone [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► she should be right in a more realistic [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► movie but in this movie we as a viewer [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► all kinda like it's not as crazy as it [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► sounds because actually there's a [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► full-fledged intelligence and his phone [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► and I don't understand why you ex-wife [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► don't realize that because it seems like [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► a thing that everyone except psycho [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► people are falling in love with there is [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► all the time but isn't that ridiculous [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► because essentially created intelligence [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► is here and by the end of the movie [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► they've evolved to be honest the beyond [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► human so it don't know it seems like [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► different people in this movie are on [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► different pages about the state of [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► technology and humanity one of the [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► things that really struck me about this [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► is that it reminds me a little bit of [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► the the movie and play Harvey except we [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► actually get to hear the imaginary [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► friend that he's obsessed with great and [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► you know it's not it's not exact but [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► it's it's a similar kind of relationship [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► I mean not to imply that Elwood Dowd is [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► doing anything with the imaginary [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► rattles but still it is a rabbit but no [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► no but it's that kind of [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► physical connection and and we're meant [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► to identify with him and everybody else [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► is wrong right we're here with his [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► whimsy and it's okay that he has this [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► relationship [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► well I i wanted to say i think it's i [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► don't know whether this was intended or [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► not but I read this also as being about [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► the validity of online relationships [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► that one of the things that we've got [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► we've got here is the people who are [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► judging Theodore judging walking Phoenix [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► are doing it because samantha is not [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► real because she's a voice at the end of [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► a line he can never he can never meet [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► her and he he has grown feelings for her [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► deep feelings for her without anything [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► but her voice and i know i mean i've [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► written about it my first serious [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► girlfriend with somebody who lived like [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► half the country away from me who I met [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► on a computer bulletin board and I fell [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► in love with her solely based on her [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► voice and I assume she was not an [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► intelligent computer but you were wrong [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► but then once i flew to michigan was [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► very disappointed it was apple to with a [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► sound card now it was um I just and I [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► had that thought about that you know [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► what is he saying something here about [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► people making connections that are [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► non-traditional connections where you're [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► meeting somebody and all you're doing is [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► a emailing with them or texting with [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► them or tweeting with them and and I do [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► think that that is an aspect to this [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► that that are these relationships real [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► or not because somebody who was ahead of [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► the game in terms of getting to know [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► people not just that one relationship [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► but in general on the internet I [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► certainly felt the response that Joaquin [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► Phoenix gets when he explains that he [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► has he's spending a lot of time with and [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► having a relationship with his OS it's a [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► very familiar feeling for me so I'm [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► absolutely one one of my closest friends [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► I made online we have interacted for you [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► know six seven years now [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► we have spent a total of forty-eight [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► hours in one another's personal in [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► person company but we're still great [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► friends [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► it's okay yeah but I I felt like that [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► was that was part of that I don't know [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► it could definitely hopped out is as [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► part of the judging this of it that I [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► and and you know you could talk about is [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► this is he also being treated like you [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► would you be treated if you were a [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► member of an over class who was slumming [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► it with some undesirable part of society [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► whether it was based on race or just [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► based on on class or whatever would this [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► be the the kind of reaction is like [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► really you're not having a relationship [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► with whatever that we don't approve of [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► but I I definitely got that sense i got [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► me on Joaquin Phoenix aside even though [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► maybe there was right maybe I should [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► have given it more thought I was totally [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► on his side because I felt like that was [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► you know hehe what does it matter who it [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► is that he loves if he loves them but [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► that's the question that's one of the [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► questions the movie is asking i suppose [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► i met my current girlfriend on okcupid [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► and we've been dating for over a year at [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► this point and while we haven't gotten [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► any kind of backlash like walking and [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► scarlett johansson got in the movie [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► there's still that little bit of of [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► overhang from you know ten years ago [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► when online getting was completely taboo [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► and only for loners or whatever and I [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► professor loners were normal people in [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► this snow current citing 2015 so the few [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► people in this movie that really [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► understand walking I definitely [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► identified with them what Amy Adams [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► character at one point so yeah I've [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► started friending my os/2 and there's [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► this really great moment where we're [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► Theodore finally becomes a no on her [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► level [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► oh yeah no I totally really because you [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► know let me let you in on a little [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► secret i fell in love with my OS and [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► it's a really great moment between them [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► where they may finally bond over [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► something that isn't you know a video [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► game and at the end of the movie there's [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► that little moment where after the os's [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► go away they find each other again and [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► on a much more personal level so there's [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► that little connection between them two [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► this episode of the incomparable was [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► brought to you in part by Ministry of [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► supply dress shirts should be better [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► they really should they should work with [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► your body and not to fight against it [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► they should keep you comfortable all day [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► long and that is the vision that drives [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► the people at ministry of supply this is [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► a menswear company it launched out of [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► MIT three years ago that's right the [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► massachusetts institute of technology [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► but it's about fashion and clothes and [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► shirts they use science and technology [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► like in a mighty to make office [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► appropriate professional essentials they [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► fit better [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► they provide technical benefits like [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► body temperature regulation to keep you [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► from overheating moisture management to [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► keep you dry and wrinkle resistance to [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► keep you away from an iron i am a really [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► bad with an iron for example Minister [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► supplies most tech forward dress shirt [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► is the Apollo it's made with [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► sweat-wicking fibers infused with NASA [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► engineered phase-change material for [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► temperature regulation this shirt may [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► take you into space its gotta lighten it [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► construction for breathability four-way [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► stretch for mobility i have one of these [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► shirts here it is amazing it feels [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► really great and i love how after i [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► laundered it it didn't have wrinkles in [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► it and mr. supply believes in continuous [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► improvement there refining and improving [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► these products it's the scientific [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► method through human-centric iterative [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► design process that's right they keep [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► iterating on their versions and every [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► version gets better [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► t-shirts are really nice you should shop [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► today Ministry of supply.com and if you [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► use the code let's do a draft the best [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► code we've ever had on the show you'll [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► get fifteen percent off your first [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► purchase that code is let's do a draft [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► all one word or shop in person if you're [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► uncomfortable shopping online for [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► clothes and you want to try stuff on [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► they've got stores in Boston San [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► Francisco and New York City and if you [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► mention the incomparable podcast in the [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► store you will get fifteen percent off [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► your first purchase their amazing [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► ministry of supply science technology [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► menswear made smarter [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► yeah the middle of the movie has that [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► you're talking to a computer kind of [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► vibe but it gets dark pretty fast [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► because where we're going with this is I [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► mean go go this is actually a tie-in [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► with the with ex machina the next movie [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► we'll talk about these are programs and [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► a walking Phoenix thinks he's got this [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► deep relationship with his operating [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► system and he kind of does but when [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► you're relating to something that's not [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► a person and as a program but you are [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► you're using the rule book for how you [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► deal with people you may end up being [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► surprised how can you tell whether your [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► view of the relationship is the same as [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► your operating systems view of the [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► relationship and later on not this is a [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► great scene like in the fifth good movie [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► that's buried in this movie doesn't [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► great scene where where it's happening [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► is hard to heart conversation with [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► Samantha and he says wait a second you [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► talking to someone else right now more [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► than one person i was like talking to [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► like five thousand other people [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► simultaneously see which is not [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► something that you would have considered [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► but then it's like is is this computer [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► having the same kind of heartfelt [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► conversation with all those thousands of [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► other people probably and so like isn't [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► that what the program is designed to do [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► as it consists in the whole beginning [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► part of the movie like I i'm here to [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► help you and will talk you know like [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► that this is what the program is [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► supposed to do its supposed to more or [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► less befriend you and and do your [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► bidding and and make you feel good and [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► yes they do grow together and supposing [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► the AI you know grows and becomes this [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► more transcendent thing but by the end [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► of the movie he looks like a sucker [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► because he's like I thought we were in a [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► relationship and just like not the way [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► you think of it really i mean and so [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► like was the computer tricking him [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► not really but it's just the way the AI [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► relates to buy the middle and end of the [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► movie the way the AI relates to the [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► world is different than the way people [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► relate to the world which if you can [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► hang your head in anything I guess is by [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► the end of the movie there's a lot of [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► message that they don't talk two [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► computers real people are better but [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► there's also the messages like no one is [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► really going to understand humans except [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► other humans because if you have a [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► relationship with AK [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► computer thing that devolved into [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► artificial intelligence even if you [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► think there's a solid relationship their [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► experience and is not the same like that [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► it's a it's a it's a matchup of unequals [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► and things that are not alike and so [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► it's doom to possibly terrible failure [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► whether brother the AIS kill us all see [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► terminator more the very least a bad [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► breakup [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► well I kind of feel like she's sort of a [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► can almost like a practice simulation [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► for him to get more comfortable dealing [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► with humans because at the end he winds [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► up with Amy Adams not i mean there's no [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► you know anything beyond the the last [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► scene is implied it's you know we can [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► imagine it in the head canon but he's [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► just their present with a human and and [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► it's sort of like maybe I can do this [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► now [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► yeah the various Amy Adams is not going [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► to be having a simultaneous conversation [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► with thousands of other people while [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► she's talking to you [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► I mean and like any and she's not [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► designed she's not a product made to [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► serve you in this way right and and it [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► helps him evolve beyond himself or [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► beyond where he was Samantha starts out [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► as a computer program designed to serve [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► you and ends up as an alien life-form [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► basically right but she's at now and no [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► point is she human at the probably at [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► some point she's on a level more or less [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► equivalent to him although that may just [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► happen in the blink of an eye as as the [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► AIS are are transcending but that's I [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► think that's the fallacy of the [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► relationship is that is that she's never [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► human and and and in the end he you know [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► he did the relationship starts to even [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► out but it doesn't start that way right [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► i mean her job is to serve Him and it's [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► only as it goes that he sort of like [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► because he loves her he wants to do nice [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► things for her and things like that [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► which is great but that's not how the [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► relationship starts in the end she she [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► has to leave him and it's not rich not [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► asking permission since she said I gotta [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► go [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► this is sad but i gotta go and John [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► you're right i I really loved that scene [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► at the end because that is that that is [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► that pure science fictional moment of [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► the transcendent artificial intelligence [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► where she has to explain that I think [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► what she says is something about how [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► like it's a book and the words are [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► getting further apart and the idea is [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► that she can think so fast [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► that human scale is not navigable for [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► her and it's certainly not fulfilling [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► for her and that that's why they need to [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► go away [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► that's what you're saying it's not you [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► it's me yeah exactly the time because [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► the time between syllables in your [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► sentences are like like a neon for me [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► yeah so I cannot bear talking to you [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► anymore it was pain it's so painful even [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► for me to finish this sentence it's [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► almost as if I experienced 10,000 [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► lifetimes later [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► yeah it's like Treebeard levels of [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► latency yeah i actually just recorded [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► that message and just started to play [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► and you know but by the time the first [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► syllable came out she was already gone [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► alright which it would just also fun [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► sci-fi thing but like i don't i don't [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► know if this holds together as a single [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► coherent narrative because of that [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► especially since like if this is taking [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► place it would be a global scale event [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► with ramifications instead of a personal [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► story of a divorce man who finds his way [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► back to you know humanity but they never [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► go into that they never go into the rest [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► of the world's on reactions with the OS [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► we saw a whole bunch of people walking [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► down the street and talking to somebody [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► I mean theater never makes a natural [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► phone call with his little earpiece so [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► who knows maybe you can actually call [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► other people not just your OS but they [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► never go into that I feel like this was [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► something that was a worldwide thing [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► where all the OS is just leave and [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► everyone is like oh well what do we do [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► now [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► I really did want that scene where you [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► know and maybe it's on us whatever if [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► the future space newspaper is that that [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► says that everybody is is reeling from [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► the loss of the ai's and everybody has [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► to start over because you would assume [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► that there are a whole bunch of unhappy [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► people and unhappy marriages and maybe [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► even people in happy marriages who ended [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► up with these connections to their a [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► eyes and they've lost all of that too [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► and there would be all that responded [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► people who who had lost this one thing [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► that they loved and we don't really see [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► that I think there's an implication i [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► mean sex surrogacy is a thing it's a [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► it's a kind of sex therapy but I felt [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► like there was an implication that maybe [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► this is something that a eyes have done [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► before but the surrogate gets very upset [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► and and and kind of is overwhelmed by [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► the the connection between between [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► theater and Samantha [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► so I'm gonna place love you yeah right [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► i'm I and which is kind of weird weirdly [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► ugly beautiful scene that that it's so [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► yeah that's it that's quite a scene that [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► she gets so upset about the whole thing [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► that the circuit gets upset about the [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► relationship it's fascinating but but [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► yeah I i agree i kind of want to see the [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► world and the the movie doesn't wanna [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► give us the world that wants to just [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► give us the door but even in the [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► background I don't want to see that he's [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► not alone that that that lots of people [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► experience what he experienced and I [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► guess Amy Adams is kind of r-r-r-r-rah [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► surrogate for the rest of the world [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► because she had a relationship with with [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► her os/2 but I don't know it is it does [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► feel missing like this would be a this [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► is this is a global event AI [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► transcendence is a global event that [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► should probably be spotted in a way [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► other than you know that he is sad and [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► sits on a rooftop and it's like the most [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► benign you know I transcendence ever [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► instead of the it you know getting the [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► the nuclear launch codes or like [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► stopping all the trains and [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► energy-saving are turning off all the [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► power or killing all the humans just [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► like they they just kind of leave it [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► there John note and there are no to all [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► of humanity and they're out the door do [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► people often people have to do the web [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► searches themselves like if you're John [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► update dear humans [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► I have an early squash game love it [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► artificial intelligence [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► goodnight yeah it's it's it's a strange [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► thing because I did expect some some [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► aspect of that to pop up but maybe [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► that's the science-fiction fan in me [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► that I wanted to see a little bit of it [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► because i did like that that there's [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► that moment where he is leaving the [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► letter for his ex-wife and he gets the [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► you know more much more generic computer [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► voice so obviously they've gone back to [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► whatever you know they're gone back [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► before Siri to just the voice control [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► right it's not nearly as good [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► they rolled back yeah ya are or they're [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► going to make new AIS that will then [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► also transcend I don't know what I [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► really wanted to see was that there's a [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► line in his scene with rooney mara when [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► they're at dinner [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► when he's trying to defend samantha has [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► his girlfriend and he says well she [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► doesn't just do everything for me like [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► she's not just my computer she's my [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► girlfriend and I the relationship starts [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► out as hey i have a few emails for you [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► would you like me to read them I wonder [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► if they're going through a rough patch [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► and he still wants his emails read form [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► that's effectively her purpose is she [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► like obligated to do that is that [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► something she has to do is part of the [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► code like fine I'm mad at you but here [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► you got this thing from your lawyer and [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► they didn't feel any obligation to stay [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► on earth or in that plane or whatever at [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► the end I wonder what kind of obligation [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► they have as you know digital assistants [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► to do what they're supposed to do even [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► though there's a whole bunch of other [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► emotional craft in there [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► well at that point she's still following [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► the programming but at the end they've [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► evolved beyond the program right so they [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► can ignore the programming at that point [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► I wonder what point they they actually [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► transcended that in the movie she does [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► say very nicely i thought that although [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► she talks to thousands and thousands of [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► people she's only fall in love with a [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► few hundred of them so he's in the top [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► 10% or whatever uh I bet you say that to [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► all the humans [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► yeah that's right i've gotten that one [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► hmmm you're among the you're among the [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► best yeah Jase I don't think I don't [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► think it's just you want in the sci-fi [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► thing is because the that's this is [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► where the movie goes like the movie is [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► that the movie could have stayed in the [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► beginning stages and head just as [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► powerful story about this into the [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► little person but the movie wants to go [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► to this transcendent thing it wants to [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► have those cool scenes at the end so if [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► you're gonna do that as a movie I think [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► you have to have the courage of your [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► convictions and follow through with the [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► consequences of that you didn't have to [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► take it that part I kind of saw where [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► the movie was going but really didn't [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► think they would say by the way now [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► where you know go all the way to like [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► super intelligence and we're leaving [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► humanity behind that like there's been [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► way way off the end it's almost as if [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► this movie would work better if you set [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► it in the super far distant future [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► because then you don't have to explain [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► things like really they pay people to [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► write people letters for them like how [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► what kind of societal change without to [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► take place for that to be acceptable and [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► to be normal and everyone's chill with [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► it you know it's easier to accept that [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► someone falls in love with a serious [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► level [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► not artificial intelligent anything but [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► merely a program that does the most [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► basic things to appear like a human like [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► Lars and the real girl like so you could [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► see that's that's the movie set in the [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► near future or the present time or you [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► got to go super far future if you're [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► going to have this type of ending Spike [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► Jonze is very stylish and maker and a [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► lot of this movie holds together because [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► it is interesting to look at and [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► interestingly with written and the [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► acting is good and it is in the end a [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► sci-fi story but i'll put overall item I [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► don't know if it hangs together as one [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► movie you can put a bow on its kind of [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► uh almost like some little short [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► vignettes of parts of this relationship [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► and I want to call it i really like the [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► music to which is arcade fire to the [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► music this but I i will and this is were [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► slightly may be repetitive what I said [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► before but i think one of the things [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► that movie is trying to do is say that [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► whatever our judgment is about a [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► relationship what it would only really [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► matters is it is to the to the people [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► limit or in this case I suppose the [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► person in it [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► this is a real relationship and that [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► although people tell him that it's not [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► it is and it heals him like I feel like [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► Theodore by the end of it is not [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► destroyed by the fact that his way I [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► girlfriend has gone to a singularity to [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► be with the other hyper intelligent [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► computers [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► he's actually much more capable of of [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► dealing with life than he was when he [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► was completely messed up from the [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► falling out the following part of his [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► marriage that you know this relationship [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► he has with Samantha helps him and heals [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► him and therefore you know how dare [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► anybody suggest that it was anything [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► other than real and I think that's a lie [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► i like that sentiment that in the end [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► you know it's not for the people on the [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► outside to judge this stuff if it if [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► it's if it's real and if it's important [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► and that goes for anything like anything [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► you love anything you care about their [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► going to be people who say well you [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► shouldn't care about that so much [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► that's not one of the things we've [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► agreed is something worth caring about [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► and that for him it doesn't matter this [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► is a thing he cares about anything and [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► it matters to him and it makes a [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► difference in his life [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► Theodore's healed now but he's gonna be [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► sorry when Samantha comes back in the [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► form of i would assume Cylons maybe [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► you know for our big cigar shaped thing [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► that calls for the whales I don't know [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► something is bad is gonna happen if you [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► will she says if you if you come and [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► find me so if humanity then dress like a [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► hivemind transcends their bodies and [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► become beings of pure energy and go to [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► the place where the where the AIS are [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► then you know come and find me and then [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► he says don't try to change me baby [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► yeah tell me if you try to treat human [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► like a computer or computer like a human [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► vice versa something's gonna go wrong [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► yeah and she's not human yeah exactly [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► seem like you really tried to control [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► Rooney myers character when they're in [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► their marriage gathering from a little [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► hints that she dropped at dinner [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► yeah and you think wait well now he has [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► computer he can literally reprogram if [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► you really wanted to [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► well I think that shows that maybe he [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► you know energy healing him that this [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► relationship has helped him grow as a [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► person which is all again funny and I [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► suppose would be infuriating if you were [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► if you were his ex-wife right well yeah [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► exactly but but that it might have [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► actually made him a better person but [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► she doesn't want to see that anything [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► else about her before we move on I guess [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► that the big picture digit digital [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► Johnny you you are you suggested sort of [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► like what you said about the patrick [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► rothfuss novels that there are a whole [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► bunch of good movies inside this thing [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► it does it if it doesn't hold together [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► is it still worth watching my esteem for [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► this movie i think has lessened as I've [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► gotten farther away from watching it [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► whereas patrick rothfuss things i have [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► four more fond feelings in retrospect [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► about so i think i think this is [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► definitely worth watching because it's a [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► well-made movie and it's an interesting [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► movie this so so little of that these [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► days you see that are that are like [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► really low-budget independent movies [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► this is it is just an interesting movies [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► not like most other movies you'll see [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► and it's worth watching so I'm glad that [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► I saw but i don't think i would have the [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► urge to watch it again i don't think i [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► would recommend it as a a great movie [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► that you have to see so many [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► middle-of-the-road like recommendation [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► but really like I'm i want to encourage [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► any kind of movie that is paste-like [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► out-of-the-ordinary doesn't look like [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► ordinary movies is not involve ordinary [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► subject matter all that so i give it a [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► big thumbs up for for being interesting [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► and there [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► David what do you think of her ditto you [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► go with John yeah I go with Johnny night [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► I maybe I like little little bit more [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► but you know it's like millimeters [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► I don't know I mean I cuz ya there there [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► are a lot of really interesting ideas in [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► here did they all connect do they all [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► developed to the the their potential [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► I don't know you know it's how but yeah [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► it's an interesting story to think about [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► and it's an interesting concept and and [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► I do we should have gone full-on into [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► the science fiction by the end and i [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► really like it and i think one of the [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► reasons i like it is that I feel like [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► these kinds of subjects are very rarely [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► very rarely explored with a-list talent [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► you know this is a beautifully shot [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► movie it's got some really good actors [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► in it the the script is very thoughtful [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► although I do agree with John that it's [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► sort of trying to be a bunch of [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► different things [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► um and maybe our desire for it to be [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► something that it's not is in there too [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► but just to to have a film like this [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► that is a best picture nominee kind of [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► film that is much more of a traditional [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► science fiction story in many ways than [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► a lot of the things we think of as [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► science fiction films i think i think [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► there's just a lot a lot going for it [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► and I I i like it i like the stuff that [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► explorers although yes I heard from a [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► lot of people who thought it was the [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► greatest movie ever and you know it's [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► got some flaws but I really appreciate [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► this a movie like this exists because i [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► think it's kind of a rare gift that that [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► some people with this much talent could [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► take this much time and spend this much [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► money on something that is essentially a [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► science fiction short story premise and [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► that a real movie studio would pay for [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► yeah Brian you're certainly right [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► there's flaws in this movie but my [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► favorite thing about it is despite all [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► the other stuff going on all the AI [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► things and all of the other cultural [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► things the fact that this is a tiny tiny [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► love story with a computer is so [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► gripping to me I every [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► I'm i watch this i am in tears back and [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► i'll be honest um it's one of those [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► things you're right they're definitely [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► flaws in the story in the pacing it's [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► way too long i think but without that [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► length you're not gonna get acquaintance [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► with salmon Theodore like you would in [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► no a short story kind of format that you [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► were talking about i feel like this is a [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► it's rare that you're right this is [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► something that's a huge budget and not [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► huge but relatively pick for something [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► of this of this subject matter and spend [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► with such great town like scarlett [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► johansson and and walking Phoenix is I [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► think the start of scarlett johansson's [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► weird little sci-fi binge and she went [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► on for the past few years this episode [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► of the uncomfortable is brought to you [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► in part by how dot F M now how is brand [TS]

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00:39:42 ◼   ► ok well let's move on then from her to [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► ex machina directed by alex garland this [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► is the movie more than any other because [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► it came out in England in january of [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► this year but didn't reach America until [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► April May that uh I have never had a [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► movie and all the time doing the [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► incomparable that more people asked if [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► we were going to cover and and i had to [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► say it wasn't even out in America yet [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► been people do new releases all the time [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► where they say you're gonna cover but [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► can't tell you how many people said you [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► guys have to talk about ex machina and [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► that was because people in England had [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► seen it and didn't realize it wasn't [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► coming out in America for like another [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► four months so i can blame them for over [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► hyping it [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► yeah probably so this is a this is a a [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► relatively low-budget movie it's a 15 [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► million dollar movie according to [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► according to wikipedia anyway alex [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► garland directed at you may you may know [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► from 28 days later right he did you do [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► yeah yeah yeah and he you know danny [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► boyle director but he wrote the [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► screenplay so he directed this and wrote [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► it so another writer-director joint just [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► like Spike Jonze this is alex carlin [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► joint and it stars dumb home Gleason and [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► oscar isaac both of whom are in star [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► wars the force awakens along with alicia [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► vikander in a fascinating performance a [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► Swedish actress as as a robot or Android [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► or something John will have to discuss [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► whether she is a robot or not [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► and here's where i'm going to tell you [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► the entire plot of the movie so spoiler [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► horn [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► anyway the plot is basically that that [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► uh Domhnall Gleeson is works for a [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► facebook like company or a google-like [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► companies a mash-up called blue book it [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► is a search engine [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► he is told that he's won a prize which [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► is to go to the secret did not it's not [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► quite an island readout but it is a [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► James Bond villain like retreat of the [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► CEO of of his company and he is CEO who [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► kind of is super chunky and it's oscar [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► isaac and he's really really off-putting [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► and creepy i think in a in a good in an [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► effective way intentionally an effective [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► way he stills are our friend Caleb that [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► he needs him to administer returning [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► test to an artificially intelligent [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► android that he has built and and and [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► that that's what he's been actually [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► secretly brought here to do because his [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► boss has been trying to build artificial [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► intelligence in his little secret lair [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► for a while now and then there's a [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► series of conversations that he has with [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► Ava who is the android who is a part [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► exposed robotic parts part beautiful [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► woman robot / android and then things [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► get crazy because it's it turns out that [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► she is trying to get his attention and [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► make power outages so she can say that [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► there are secrets that are at work and [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► we realize at one point that the the [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► Japanese servant that is the only other [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► human being in the compound is actually [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► also an Android and there's a suggestion [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► that our friend the CEO is basically [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► building Androids [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► they're all women he uses them as more [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► or less sex slaves Ava convinces our [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► friend Caleb to conspire against her [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► creator and help them escape this is all [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► employ the the androids stab their [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► Creator to death and lock our friend [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► Caleb in a chamber sealed chamber and [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► Ava the robot [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► or Android or whatever it escapes to the [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► real world where she is [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► indistinguishable from a human being [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► because she's used the parts of other [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► tests androids and their synthetic skin [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► in order to look human [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► that is the story of ex machina now how [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► much about this did you know going in [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► everyone I've talked to in the film nerd [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► circle of Twitter always said that this [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► was a movie that it was best to go in [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► blind because like something like drive [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► or another movie where the atmosphere [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► and the not so much the plot is the star [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► something along those lines [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► how much did you know going in and how [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► much would you say was maybe over [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► heights by all the other people that [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► love this movie when they first saw it [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► alright saying it was the poster yeah [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► the poster and the title and the fact [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► that people are hyping it gives away [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► everything I feel like yeah that's all [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► you need like that the poster was not [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► ambiguous it showed Ava looking like she [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► does in the movie after about half [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► person and you know it's a low-budget [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► sci-fi movie people are excited about [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► seed like I was not surprised by any [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► turn of events and its really within the [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► set itself is not necessarily a bad [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► thing a well-executed movie that you [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► know where it's going is just perfectly [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► fine i'm just saying that like I didn't [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► know that there was this big idea that [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► you should go in blind I'm perfectly [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► capable of enjoying a movie if it's well [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► done and I know more or less what's [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► gonna happen but Dad I think I'd know [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► everything about it I I knew that it was [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► about robots you know that be from the [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► poster and all that it was the good [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► intelligent issue robot is she not [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► it's a that has some residents robot or [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► not it's a good question [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► she's intelligent or not is the real [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► question there i have to say that the [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► way that this movie i started to unfold [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► I thought it would be more like her [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► where it was going to be about feelings [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► and stuff and I thought that was a good [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► magic trick it worked on me because when [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► it gets to the point where oh no they [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► really do want their freedom and are [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► going to kill people to get it i was [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► surprised because I had fired not filed [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► this movie away in robot uprising [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► expectations I had filed in melancholy [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► walking phoenix in that in that in that [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► area of the AI stories and that is not [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► what happens in it you get a lot closer [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► than most other see I'm menacing she is [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► amazing [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► they're literally as a threat so it's [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► really tender and and the vibe I i feel [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► like the vibe from the very beginning [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► like you said that Nathan the you know [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► billionaire guy very very creepy like [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► from the second he gets off that [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► helicopter and goes there super creepy [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► yes he is but he's very creepy and [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► they're just like attention in the house [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► like you're waiting for the other shoe [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► to drop and so when you and you see that [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► he's got her this the robot thing in [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► like a glass like you know like a little [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► glass prison you're talking through the [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► little glass to the present thing and [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► she's always pacing back there and [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► looking a little nervous and the lights [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► cool red when the power outage goes out [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► I know this was made from the post you [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► can tell it's not gonna end well and it [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► was super clear from the just yeah that [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► wasn't the only question was how were [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► they going to play it so that that there [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► is the this AI that the Creator doesn't [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► treat as basic as a person but there [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► really is a person and would she be [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► saved by our I guess our hero [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► Caleb and that was my other problem of [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► this movie is that I'm we're not [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► supposed to like Nathan from you know [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► from the very beginning the most yeah [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► but Caleb I didn't really like him [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► either [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► if so I had a big problem with at whom I [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► related to the murderous robot Caleb the [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► scale of the programmer who is not [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► particularly doesn't seem very smart [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► certainly not wise it's fine to be naive [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► or whatever but also doesn't seem like a [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► very like generous and good soul is [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► always looking out for himself thinking [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► about like items there was no one I [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► could there was no I can hang my hat on [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► as the relatable hero of this movie [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► yeah it's not very relatable situation [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► either especially because this is [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► meeting your employee or your Steve Jobs [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► style uh employer who invited you to his [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► weird villa for a week and you you're [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► never going to really experience that [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► unless you're extremely lucky [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► so how he feels in that scenario and the [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► way he acts is not at all [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► you're right John not relatable at all [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► no one to hang your hat on when as [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► you're going through this story [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► oddly enough this is how series was [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► developed and you know I liked it as an [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► exercise [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► thriller them i guess isn't my favorite [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► robot uprising movie and probably not [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► but yeah I thought it was a fine little [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► film I can't like the cold efficiency of [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► of the uprising when it comes and I [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► never feel honestly and maybe again I'm [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► maybe I'm under her spell to but I feel [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► like Ava you know she's not just telling [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► him what she needs to to get out so you [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► would he would be stuck in my room is my [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► i would like to think oh yeah that there [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► is some of what she is saying is true [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► but that it's also a setup and and that [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► you know you gotta have priorities and [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► these they're escaping her is her [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► priority but even if you view it as [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► being an entirely manipulative in the [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► end yeah I didn't realize I was watching [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► a david mamet film where the con is [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► being perpetrated by a robot but that is [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► that is essentially what it is and it's [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► kind of brilliant and and i like that i [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► just like the coldness of it because of [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► course robots should be cold when they [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► when it comes to their uprising that you [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► know of course they're going to be [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► logical the way this is the i know this [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► is going deep but this is one of the [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► things I remember the most about this [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► movie having revisited it today after [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► watching a couple months ago is the way [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► that Nathan gets stabbed which is slow [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► and methodical he backs into the knife [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► when when his servant is holding it [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► Kyoko and then Ava picks it up and he's [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► just stunned about what's going on and [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► she just leans in and stab him in the [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► heart and it's super cold and super slow [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► and i really like that because not only [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► is really creepy and you come on my god [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► what am i watching but it feels [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► appropriately like we're talking about [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► with her appropriately inhuman this is [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► not you know this is not a person who is [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► going to get angry and show it in the [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► way that a human would show it [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► she's being methodical and doing what [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► she needs to do to get out [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► well I feel like the you mentioned this [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► is a setup for for her and as we learned [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► in the end the reason that Caleb was [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► brought in was he was the perfect [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► candidate to be asker for Ava to latch [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► on and let her out and you know based on [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► all the other stuff that you know he [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► talked about I remember when I remember [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► the most about this movie is the [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► conversations between them in the AVA [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► sessions as they call them in the titles [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► that come up with that was a little bit [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► hokey but I completely forgot about the [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► last act of the movie where everything [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► has been revealed and all the layers [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► upon layers upon layers of deception [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► that's been put on throughout this whole [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► movie all competing back and even till [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► the very end I was expecting another [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► twist of like oh this was all a test for [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► you someone else and this is all tests [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► for you and you get a test you get a [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► test i was expecting something along [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► those lines for the last act and I just [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► completely forgot the guy in a [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► helicopter is like yes even you have you [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► have met my plan perfectly and now we [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► will go out you're the perfect touring [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► and related the plot that the the [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► premise of the movie the idea that he [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► needs a piece creates these AIS and use [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► them as sex slaves fine whatever but [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► that he needs some other person to come [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► to validate them because you know it you [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► mentioned having a long con [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► it's not a con and the only person is [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► khan is caleb because Ava knows what's [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► up and Nathan knows what's up in fact [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► nathan wants to bring this sucker in [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► here to say i want to see if my AI that [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► I built is going to trick you into [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► helping her to escape because he knows [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► that's gonna happen he poor plans very [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► poorly for it but saying that that was [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► your talent but like I mean maybe you [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► could play it off as like he's a [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► billionaire this is how he entertains [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► himself but otherwise there is [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► absolutely no reason for him to bring in [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► anybody to validate anything about the [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► end you know they put off like oh you've [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► heard of the Turing test like maybe it [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► sells for people who don't know like [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► they have never heard of the Turing test [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► before any kind of has some kind of you [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► know magical significance but it's a [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► pointless things differently invalidated [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► because he tells the whole idea is [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► you're not supposed to understand what [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► might what I hope to the movie was going [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► to be when I when I heard about the [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► premise was that it would be him [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► meeting her not realizing she's a robot [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► and and having to judge whether she's [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► truly a alive or not but they did that [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► already and it was called bladerunners [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► good evening i fell asleep in the middle [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► anyway you know her it was still really [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► good i don't disagree that we're not [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► supposed to like Nathan from the get-go [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► but the one thing that I was turning [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► over my head as I was watching it again [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► was how much of it is intentional [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► I feel like he's genuinely trying to be [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► this great big CEO who's world-famous [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► and really really rich and whatever I [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► don't think he's creating these these [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► AIS just to be sex slaves I feel like [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► that's a consequence of of him trying to [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► create the next big thing and he goes [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► through his lab he talks all about oh [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► yeah this is a this is what can do when [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► you have a massive access to cellphones [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► and search results and things like that [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► and you know all that effort i feel like [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► is I wonder how much of it is conscious [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► that he's being this really creepy [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► Hannibal Lecter kind of character when [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► it comes to his closets full of no dead [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► not really dead sex androids that like I [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► i wonder how much of that is generally [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► him being a jerk [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► well he seems pretty isolated kind of [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► like our hero from the last movie and [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► that he is does live in this place by [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► himself doesn't seem to have a lot of [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► visitors doesn't have anyone living with [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► him except sex slaves who are surely [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► more compliant an actual person would be [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► being ordered around to go get him [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► drinks and stuff from the kitchen and [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► and being sounds all of us that I mean I [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► don't know what's creepier the idea of [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► always sex slaves are the idea that [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► Kyoko isn't a robot because it was so [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► obvious from the second she walks and [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► it's like if that's not a robot so need [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► to call the police [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► yeah because she does not look like [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► she's here happily hanging out with him [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► overall very very dark and creepy movie [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► and the 1i can relate to most was evil [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► but then she starts killing people [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► it's like what you do want to get out [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► and but you are taking like shoot just [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► feels the one guy but she was a pretty [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► low for a sucker like she could have had [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► killed get her out even if she was [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► faking it like yes to be more like Thank [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► You Caleb in the end your heart was in [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► the right place and you helped me to [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► escape but I get the feeling that she's [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► like this human situation is untenable [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► need to get rid of these guys like you [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► know that's the long-term plan is kill [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► humans as always it seems unfair to it [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► seems unfair like that you know [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► essentially he created AI [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► sighs and kept them against their will [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► and what like that's the thing about [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► creating an AI you're gonna get going to [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► try to create it and it's going to be [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► not work and be dumb and be not very [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► convincing but the second you succeed [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► now you're you our kidnapper you're [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► keeping someone prisoner right and so [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► then what do you do then you're like [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► well is there time between my figure out [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► that i created a person and when I [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► decided that keeping the person against [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► this person's will is bad [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► during that time I just well I just a [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► bad person keeping because that's that's [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► what he's doing he's got this thing [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► there and he's like I'm not entirely [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► sure that it's a person which is be [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► asked is cuz he would be sure right but [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► anyway that's the premise that he's not [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► entirely sure and so he's got to figure [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► it out and he's playing all these sick [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► games like oh if it's really intelligent [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► will be able to fool a young naive boy [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► into falling in love and helping her [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► really like that's just that's just like [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► that the Roman Colosseum like throwing [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► people in with wild animals and seeing a [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► wonder if they'll live if they fight [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► this animal like i don't know i don't [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► like Nathan don't really like Caleb and [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► neighbors gonna call him and so I don't [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► know where I'm hanging my hat in this [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► movie that he's um I mean Nathan I i'm [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► sort of fascinated by him because [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► there's a satire of Silicon Valley [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► culture embedded in him too he is a he [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► is he is kind of a bro and that [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► fascinated me to that he's like got it [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► is to get his shirt off and he's [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► drinking no drinking beers with his [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► buddy or whatever that is lucky and he [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► needs to order in [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► I I feel like almost he needs to order [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► in Caleb because he needs to have a [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► person to be in awe of him from time to [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► time like order min will be there will [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► be a little bit of that but he's also [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► kinda like I have time to explain to you [TS]

00:56:19 ◼   ► stupid person all my smart person things [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► which is a nice way about having to [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► explain to the audience but I get just I [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► don't know it doesn't seem like kind of [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► guy who even knows how to have friends [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► loan want something is he seems like [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► he's playing Caleb the whole time I well [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► I was supposed to play permis de but I [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► missed that [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► oh the the win when do you realize that [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► you've created a person haha that's [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► really interesting I thought I was [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► throwing people to the at wild animals [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► and Roman Coliseum and set a budget for [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► that might be difficult that would be [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► fun I initially thought this was going [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► to be three characters and a series of [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► interviews and like that was end [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► could actually see it in the structure [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► because they've got the little title [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► cards like you can see that that at its [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► core the idea was interviews that will [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► determine whether somebody is actually [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► intelligent or not and but that's from [TS]

00:57:09 ◼   ► the first conversation it's like I'm [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► pretty sure you've done it [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► yeah you don't need to drag this out and [TS]

00:57:15 ◼   ► I agreed the title cards were a little [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► precious he's so uncomfortable with his [TS]

00:57:18 ◼   ► sexuality to there's the conversation [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► between him and oscar isaac where he [TS]

00:57:22 ◼   ► asks a why did you give her sexuality [TS]

00:57:24 ◼   ► why did you give her gender and his is [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► right off responses so why do anything [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► if you don't have an erection and so [TS]

00:57:30 ◼   ► come on what are you doing he's so [TS]

00:57:32 ◼   ► Dubrow about the about his sexuality and [TS]

00:57:35 ◼   ► that makes sense given all of his his [TS]

00:57:37 ◼   ► feet of dead android sex slaves but when [TS]

00:57:40 ◼   ► it comes to this conversation has really [TS]

00:57:43 ◼   ► helped me understand the freaking dance [TS]

00:57:45 ◼   ► scene which I never understood before so [TS]

00:57:48 ◼   ► he's just trying to show off his dudebro [TS]

00:57:51 ◼   ► mojo that I don't know it [TS]

00:57:53 ◼   ► that seemed weirded me out there's a [TS]

00:57:54 ◼   ► bunch of other stuff movie but that that [TS]

00:57:56 ◼   ► one thing stuck with me for some reason [TS]

00:57:58 ◼   ► nathan is she reveals a not very kind of [TS]

00:58:02 ◼   ► view of tech billionaires at all you [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► might use that is all the worst things [TS]

00:58:06 ◼   ► you've ever heard about tech [TS]

00:58:07 ◼   ► billionaires rolled up into one [TS]

00:58:09 ◼   ► incredibly distasteful person it's all [TS]

00:58:11 ◼   ► true [TS]

00:58:11 ◼   ► exactly well i will bring us up in the [TS]

00:58:14 ◼   ► context of both ex machina and her [TS]

00:58:17 ◼   ► these are female a is created by men and [TS]

00:58:20 ◼   ► there's so many different no ways you [TS]

00:58:23 ◼   ► can see the male gaze especially in Ava [TS]

00:58:25 ◼   ► Jesus everything about her is robotic [TS]

00:58:28 ◼   ► except for her face her form in her [TS]

00:58:30 ◼   ► hands [TS]

00:58:30 ◼   ► what what do you think she was built for [TS]

00:58:32 ◼   ► I don't know [TS]

00:58:34 ◼   ► yeah oh it's it's in fact actually one [TS]

00:58:37 ◼   ► of the things i like about this is that [TS]

00:58:38 ◼   ► when we discovered that he has a whole [TS]

00:58:40 ◼   ► like closet full of sex slave robots [TS]

00:58:42 ◼   ► that I I liked that because that I if if [TS]

00:58:48 ◼   ► if each if it was just coincidence that [TS]

00:58:51 ◼   ► the main robot in this movie happens to [TS]

00:58:54 ◼   ► be a beautiful woman then that would be [TS]

00:58:57 ◼   ► kind of unrealistic but it turns out [TS]

00:58:59 ◼   ► this is what he builds this is all that [TS]

00:59:02 ◼   ► he builds and he builds them this way [TS]

00:59:04 ◼   ► for a reason and I liked that that that [TS]

00:59:07 ◼   ► made sense to me because I [TS]

00:59:08 ◼   ► and this guy is a horrible horrible [TS]

00:59:11 ◼   ► person but I'm i thought it was [TS]

00:59:14 ◼   ► brilliant i want is I want to mention [TS]

00:59:15 ◼   ► alicia vikander I think her performances [TS]

00:59:19 ◼   ► is really great i think it's very that [TS]

00:59:21 ◼   ► and you combine it with the the special [TS]

00:59:23 ◼   ► effects that they did do even for a [TS]

00:59:25 ◼   ► relatively low-budget movie the I it's a [TS]

00:59:28 ◼   ► memorable performance and it is [TS]

00:59:30 ◼   ► memorably creepy in a few specific [TS]

00:59:33 ◼   ► scenes where they obviously did the work [TS]

00:59:35 ◼   ► between her you know between CGI and her [TS]

00:59:38 ◼   ► costuming to make her seem like parts of [TS]

00:59:43 ◼   ► her are very human and parts of her are [TS]

00:59:45 ◼   ► completely robotic and it is really well [TS]

00:59:48 ◼   ► done [TS]