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00:00:45 ◼   ► number 272 November 2015 welcome back [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► everybody to the comfortable i'm your [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► host Jason smell were here [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► I'm convening a special episode of our [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► book club series as was foretold in our [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► fifth anniversary episode in the middle [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► of that episode our good pal mr. Scott [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► McNulty I believe suggested we could go [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► back into a classic science fiction [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► novel for book club like foundation or [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► something like that and i always am [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► trying to find new topics because we're [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► getting up toward episode 304 that was a [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► great idea and so here we are to talk [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► about the foundation trilogy and i'm [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► going to specify that the three original [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► foundation books that are actually not [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► really novels even but collections of [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► short stories that are all [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► interconnected and it's it's a strange [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► little thing written by isaac asimov [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► between 1942 and 1950 and collected in [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► three volumes in the fifties in 51 52 [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► and 53 joining me to talk about the [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► future history of the galaxy in the fall [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► of the Galactic Empire and things like [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► that of course the originator of this he [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► didn't lend a second definition is here [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► even after he suggested it [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► it's got McNulty hi Scott this is all [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► going according to my plan right you're [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► going to just hang up on us and laugh [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► and laugh and laugh no you just finished [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► rereading them all in [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► you're fine high quality leather bound [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► paper volume of foundations true it's [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► it's I'm holding it in my hands right [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► now it's a little mazing i love the tome [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► although i did find in the knowing typo [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► where they used an exclamation point in [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► 7l so that annoyed me but i matter so [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► they must like a folksy artist or [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► something in order to probably create [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► the new one [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► well it's a leather-bound mistake so [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► there's that [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► also joining us David lower hello hello [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► there [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► I I foresaw this about a thousand years [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► ago and remember in fact in the American [TS]

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00:02:51 ◼   ► Indiana yeah middle of nowhere at [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► America's end that's right i also [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► joining us erica and Simon who was [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► present when Scott foretold as was David [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► when it's got four told that we would do [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► this episode hello [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► I was indeed d'Epinay I think I'm here [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► to represent all of the females in this [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► in this series which is actually pretty [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► easy so i probably easy job Thomas [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► sounds like you know 20 seconds really [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► yeah we'll get the magical it and my [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► last guest a mutant who is hammered with [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► the ability to control emotions and [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► plots it's Monty Ashley hello I'm just [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► going to behave randomly and assume that [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► this was predicted to be the right thing [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► for me to do good excellent 14 usual [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► right plot solved [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► that's Monty standard and strategy for [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► the impalpable well so foundation III [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► heard I had a friend in elementary [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► school in high school who kept who [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► endlessly talked about death the [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► foundation novels and I didn't read them [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► until maybe 10 years ago not not a long [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► time ago [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► yeah I know it's amazing i didn't get [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► spoiled i don't know if they're hit it [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► was always sure but what's fascinating [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► about i did read irobot when i was when [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► i was younger and and it strikes me that [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► this is this is from this period of time [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► and not just because it's as a month but [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► also because of them the market for [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► science fiction at this point that a lot [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► of these stories were being told in [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► short story form essentially in various [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► pulp magazines at the time and then [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► collected into books later and so things [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► that we think of as books or novels are [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► not that like I robot is a [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► action of somewhat interlinked short [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► stories and the Foundation series you [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► could view it as a trilogy you could [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► view it as a series of short stories or [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► you could view it as sort of like one [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► big story told in these kind of [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► disparate parts but one of the reasons I [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► felt pretty comfortable taking these [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► three original books and talking about [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► them here is that you know really this [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► is the this even though he wrote sequels [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► and prequels later [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► these are the books these are the [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► stories that as mobs has not told in a [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► short period of time and that their [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► interest rate timeline and this is the [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► tale he wanted to tell about this sort [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► of galactic future history thing so they [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► don't and they do it doesn't feel like a [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► novel it is a weird kind of reading [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► experience I don't know I ki thought [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► that I came to it later but not nearly [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► his ladies you too Jason [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► yeah oh yeah because I i read a lot of [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► asthma when I was younger it was more of [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► his his really early stuff like pebble [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► in the sky and the stars like dust so [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► like really it is earliest novels and I [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► heard people talk about the foundation [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► just like you had but sort of never got [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► around to it until I mean was probably [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► high school or college so you know still [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► still lots of years ago but no later [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► than his other stuff and and I had not [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► known that they were collected developed [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► short stories etc etc so it felt really [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► disjointed to me i was expecting it to [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► be more like one of his novels and I [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► think the first time I went through it i [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► had real trouble with it simply because [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► I was not expecting that kind of format [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► and you know I wanted to get in touch [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► with the characters and then suddenly [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► they were gone and it was somebody else [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► and it has been many pages like what's [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► going on so that was my experience I [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► guess that the part of telling this [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► galactic scope I mean that the premise [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► here is that is that there's a Galactic [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► Empire spans the the Milky Way galaxy [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► and this guy Hari Seldon / foretells [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► that the the Empire is in decay and it's [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► going to fall in there will be a dark [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► age that will last tens of thousands of [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► families but every thousand years that's [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► when I was a ok if you want to be [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► specific i was something more dramatic [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► tens of thousands of years and five is [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► very specifically dark looks [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► yes and he knows everything that will [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► happen during [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► entire tire indeed it but he says I have [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► a plan that will allow this dark age to [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► be reduced to only a thousand years tens [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► of hundreds and indeed a ten hundred [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► years with exactly and uh and and then a [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► new galactic empire will rise [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► yay i guess because and in the parallel [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► here is with the fall of Rome and you [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► know I it's all in there but I feel like [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► one of the the things about the scope of [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► this galaxy spanning and the time frame [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► is that it's gonna destroy he wants to [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► tell it's going to be chopped up i mean [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► there are there are stories that [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► continue characters like the mule we see [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► a couple of times but really it's like [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► the sweep of history like you know you [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► get to know some characters and then the [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► next door it's like oh yeah that was 50 [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► years ago they're all dead and like all [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► right I guess that's what this is about [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► because it is this disc could not be a [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► broader canvas in terms of space and [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► time [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► well as mouth was never that interested [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► in his characters as people with [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► emotions or goals and I feel like this [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► is the ultimate expression of that [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► totally there's one scene where where [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► you get a room where there's people like [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► five or six people in the room talking [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► you don't find out any of their names [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► except for one guy and I'm not even i'm [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► not even talking about the second [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► founder foundation stuff yet it's just [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► these are these are active players in [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► the first foundation and you don't get [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► any information about them except for [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► you no one has a thin face one has a [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► slightly wider face i was like wow this [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► is this is the perfect passage to [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► illustrate his feeling on [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► characterization because there was [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► nothing as soon as they fulfill their [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► duty to the plot [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► they just drop out immediately had this [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► is accountable school because i read a [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► we did that retro Hugo's episode I read [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► something that one of the one of the e [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► doc smith yank books [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► yeah and it reminded me of this to which [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► is there are some characters when [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► necessary and they might not be [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► particularly fleshed out as we think of [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► it is sort of in modern fiction but the [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► ideas are there about again these big [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► ideas like galaxy-spanning ideas and the [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► characters are a little bit less of a [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► focus and they come and go and and again [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► if you pulled all the way back to see [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► the whole galaxy over the course of [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► hundreds if not thousands years the [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► individual people do sort of get lost in [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► the you know they're like they're like [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► ants they look like ants from up here [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► something like something like that when [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► and the thrust of what psychohistory [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► right which is a very big component of [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► this series is that the individual [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► doesn't matter unless you're a mutant or [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► harris Eldon or Harry something he's the [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► one that matters so you can see I mean I [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► obviously as I've read other of his [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► books that do not have that as a thrust [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► and the characters are equally as thin [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► so I'm not going to try and say that [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► that was some kind of writer Lee device [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► tcp did but I can imagine writing a term [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► paper that argues that [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► sure sure I mean you could you could [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► definitely make that argument it is it [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► is an interesting premise here right [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► that the idea here again going to the [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► the fall of Rome and all of that is that [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► this is all this is all fated to happen [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► he foresees it and it's sort of like [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► making making the best of a bad [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► situation in some ways it's like being a [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► look I'm getting I'm getting you down [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► from 30 thousand two-one thousand that's [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► pretty good right i mean we'll all be [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► dead before it happens but we can we can [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► do this it's a little bit altruistic [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► it's and it's and it's definitely people [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► have had this some reaction to the [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► series i think because of this this big [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► idea that we're going to create these [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► you know secret secret organizations [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► that are going to save humanity because [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► if you look at our if you look at our [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► past at that there is a period of time [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► that again it depends on your [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► perspective but in if you look at [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► european history there's this sort of [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► general feeling like european history [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► has a giant hole in it for a while [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► because growing fell and then there's [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► the Renaissance and in between everybody [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► was kind of modeling around and there [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► was a lot of lost information and some [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► of that is a little oversold i think but [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► you know that that is influencing this [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► whole story here and so that that's an [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► interesting aspect of the story [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► Scott why don't we start with you since [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► you just reread all of this stuff what [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► what what struck you in rereading at the [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► this is I i'm having a hard time trying [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► to figure out how to get into this [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► because it is a series of short stories [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► that are in the link set in this big [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► idea of psychohistory and [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► galaxy-spanning stop so what struck you [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► when you read about this [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► well I we were just talking before we [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► started recording that Jason you had [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► recently read ancillary mercy and i [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► finished ancillary mercy and then I [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► started rereading the foundation trilogy [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► haha which is an interesting [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► juxtaposition of books because ancillary [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► mercy i think i won't say if I think [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► it's good or bad [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► although i think it's good wait wait [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► wait [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► spoiler alert that's not how that works [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► for me to Scott but it's a secret don't [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► tell anybody what who is a lot of things [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► happen in it but it is you know [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► obviously a very modern science fiction [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► book it is dealing with big ideas but [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► it's doing it in a very modern way and [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► then it you know looking at a book or [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► series of short stories that was written [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► 70 years ago doing basically painting on [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► the same canvas right galaxy-spanning [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► stuff is happening but it's handled in a [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► very very different way and yet i still [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► thought as i was reading it it didn't [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► obviously it is a work of its time and I [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► was looking I was trying to keep track [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► of all the female characters as i read [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► the first hundred pages and 0 is easy to [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► keep track of so yeah so I thought that [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► was interesting i also thought I was a [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► reading it that any of the characters [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► could have been male or female because [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► it doesn't really matter so if you want [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► to and they're working on like a TV [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► series of this i think which I don't [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► understand how they're going to do that [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► but I imagine they're going to make a [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► lot more characters within I hope [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► there's a lot of 40 and 50 science [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► fiction that is men standing around in [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► room smoking cigars having conversation [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► yes and this this is of that ilk and yet [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► I I have very fond memories of reading [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► this when I was in high school and i [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► still i reread it and I still think it's [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► fantastic and it is still blew my mind [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► that this man 70 years ago thought of [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► these crazy things and so much [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► the of what we know of science fiction [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► has been built on the similar concepts [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► that is enough invented them by himself [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► but he certainly laid a lot of [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► foundations uh for modern science [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► fiction and and when you look at this [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► work in that context I feel like you [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► can't miss the importance of it and if [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► you look at if you're looking at it and [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► trying to see it as a modern science [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► fiction story there are many things that [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► does wrong but when you I feel like when [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► you look at it in context it's just an [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► amazing piece of work and then thats [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► that's what i think it's interesting [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► from a modern context I think you could [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► look at at this and say it's like raw [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► material for not just these what eight [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► or ten short stories it's like raw [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► material for hundreds of novice like you [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► could take you could write a modern [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► science fiction novel based on like five [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► pages of the foundation books because it [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► and there's a little like how comic [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► books used to tell a complete story in [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► one you know part of an issue that goes [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► for like 16 pages and now that same [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► story gets told over a tissues because [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► everything is decompressed but it's but [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► in modern a lot of modern fiction i feel [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► like you know you end up spending more [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► time with the characters which again was [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► sort of not the point of this it was [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► more about the ideas something like the [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► ancillary series is you know it's about [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► a star empire but it's not about the end [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► and about a cover eyes and fall of power [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► but it is this zoomed in close on some [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► of the characters and how it affects [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► them and and I you know I do think you [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► could you could randomly that could be a [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► new podcast where you just take five [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► pages of of a foundation and described [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► by science fiction novels that could [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► come out in it but i think that i think [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► that that is that that is part of it is [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► that it's it's it's not like what we [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► read now but the ideas are huge and [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► interesting it's just you know it today [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► it would read like a like a pitch for an [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► outline or something more than a an [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► actual story [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► yes it's true and I seem to remember [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► thinking to myself about as you guys [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► enough that he had a lot of great ideas [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► but he wasn't the world's greatest [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► writer or or you know stylists yeah but [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► I've read a few passages in this book [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► and I was just struck at how beautifully [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► he describes generally plan [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► it's not he doesn't bother with people [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► generally but and maybe like you know [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► air cars and things and there are some [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► you know very well done pieces of pros [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► work in here [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► of course they're hundred pages of [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► exposition and people standing around [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► rooms we know he's a storyteller and hit [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► the point of his story is the big [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► picture more than it's the character [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► directly [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► yeah Erica what do you think the the [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► appeal of these stories is all this time [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► because God said this is these these [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► were written in the forties and people [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► still talk about them and cite them i [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► mean they're they're considered classics [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► what what is it that strikes you that [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► makes these things be things we still [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► read today even other than because the [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► podcast is that haha that's a common one [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► butt brother [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► well yeah the most common perhaps for I [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► think like i said i had trouble with it [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► the first time I read it but then when I [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► went back to it afterwards I was that it [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► hit me much better because I kind of [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► knew what to expect format wise and I [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► think one of the things that these that [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► draws people back to these books just [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► sort of the audacity of it like he has [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► created this I mean super super huge [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► time spanning story and it's not just [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► the fact that spending a lot of time [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► because there are many books and series [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► of books out there that you know give [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► you the whole history of our family or [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► something like that but this is actually [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► up one person at the beginning of it [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► maps out all of these events and is [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► supposedly i'm predicting everything [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► that's going to happen and having this [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► great plan in place and I think that I [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► mean that's the kind of thing that you [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► have to either get on board with at the [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► beginning or you're really really not [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► going to enjoy these books at all [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► I which i think is probably the complete [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► that I've heard from some people who [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► just cant get their head around that be [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► like oh that's just a stupid idea [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► well then I point out all the flying [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► cars and all that kind of stuff and well [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► you know what I'm willing to I'm willing [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► to go along with that [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► so once you jump on board with that [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► premise it's it's kind of fascinating to [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► just see how it plays itself out and one [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► thing that I find in a lot of Isaac [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► gasps moans work is I mean I get the [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► impression that he is just as delighted [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► as the reader is if not more so with how [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► clever he is and how much you know [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► he is able to you know tie things up in [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► a neat little bow and I you know we [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► don't get a lot of character development [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► but we awfully get an awful lot of [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► characters speaking at the end of each [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► story to explain how clever they were I [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► am how how well they did things and I [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► mean at this stage in my life I think [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► that is less exciting to me than it was [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► when i first came to the Foundation [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► series and many of his other works so [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► that was something that I just grabbed [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► onto really tightly and enjoyed the the [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► the mystery aspect of it and having [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► having the the twist explain at the end [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► because i never ever kind of saw that [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► sort of stuff coming it just wasn't good [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► at that so I think that's one of the [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► things especially for someone like me [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► who came to it that a fairly decent age [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► or if you came to even younger than most [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► of the people that I knew who had talked [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► about it had read in like you know [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► elementary school or junior high or [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► something like that so i would say [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► audacity is sort of music [TS]

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00:20:26 ◼   ► your point about Isaac being fond of his [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► own cleverness i will say that i have [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► here on my bookshelf as a mom's [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► annotated gilbert and sullivan and [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► original interpretation of the rules [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► best-loved light opera by Isaac Asimov [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► and it's over a thousand pages long [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► yeah because he decided to annotate all [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► of gilbert and sullivan just so everyone [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► would know all the things he knows about [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► light opera see did that would be a [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► tumblr [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► yeah but you know he's smart guy and as [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► you and he could get a book contract and [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► say I have opinions about the things [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► that I like and my concern them out he [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► certainly could get a book contract he [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► even stopped writing so now hundreds [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► hundreds of do it [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► Erica you mentioned that you mentioned [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► the way these many of these stories ends [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► the the one where it's sort of like the [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► fate of the mule and what happens to the [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► mule and in second foundation that that [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► literally ends with like 10 pages of now [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► i know that you know you know that I [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► know that you know that I know but did [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► you know that I know that he knew that [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► you knew that I knew that you know and [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► at some point somebody's head almost [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► literally explodes with these the chain [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► of logic that happens and it's kind of [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► funny and yet at the same time you're [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► like come on it did take me a little i [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► had to reread a couple of passages to to [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► sort of make sure that I was following [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► the lines of those logic so and and you [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► know everything that he laid out was [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► corrected just it it was so intricate [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► that I had to reread it but I do agree [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► with Scott there there are a decent [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► number of you know kind of beautiful [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► passages in here since I was reading on [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► my kindle for the first time I thought [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► that the foundation was one of the books [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► that i had brought along with me when i [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► moved i had a nice hardcover copy but [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► apparently that was not the case because [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► it was big and heavy [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► but so i just bought everything for my [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► kindle and was highlighting messages and [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► i actually found something i really [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► liked so so gay azimoff yeah I i think i [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► think that he was a very talented writer [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► i wrote up and i read a biography of his [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► and wrote a whole like term paper about [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► him in high school I mean he's he's a [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► fascinating writer [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► yes i did all that without having [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► foundation mm-hmm i know i know it was a [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► monster [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► yeah well I just say it had been [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► overhyped to me I had to I had to wait [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► I'd wait a fascinating guy but yeah just [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► keep their stuff that interested him and [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► it was often that audacity is that big [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► picture like hairy cells in himself who [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► Isaac Asimov had a vision for a thousand [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► years of galactic history that he wanted [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► to to to share with us [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► I don't think he actually did have that [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► vision which is what my hobby dividers [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► like people kept saying well what [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► happened next [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► ok then his answer was normally I don't [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► know it all worked out somehow figure it [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► out yourself kids wait till i come up [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► with the next novella how about if [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► there's a mutiny was writing all the [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► sequels and connecting everything up a [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► part of the reason he then went [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► backwards and started writing prequels [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► was because he said I have no idea what [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► comes next [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► i was reading something about how he [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► didn't even really like a foundation all [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► that much after he wrote it but someone [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► they were like you need to write a [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► sequel and he was like but there's a [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► plan and it's going to work out how [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► about a mutant basically what Jason said [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► and we'll figure out a way you gotta put [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► up throw a wrench in the works I you [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► could you can actually if you think [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► about it it's like okay I need to read [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► more of these because people like them [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► but the whole point is that Hari [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► Seldon's plan is going to come off and [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► it's going to bring about the new empire [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► in a thousand years and and so how do i [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► get more mileage out of this and that [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► was you [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► I'm sure he just went through the [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► process of what if there was something [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► unexpected [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► what would that be maybe it's a mutant [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► who has powers who is going to although [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► even then I kind of thought in the end I [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► i was skeptical about whether the mule [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► could really I mean I I felt it was kind [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► of faded like you know we got this under [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► control there might be a mutant at some [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► point it's gonna work out it'll all work [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► out I can hated the idea [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► that the reason this particular mutant [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► wanted to go on such a rampage [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► throughout the universe of revenge is [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► because he looked weird and felt really [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► bad about that I hate the idea that this [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► many you know millennia in the future [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► people are still coming to be judged so [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► much on their appearance that they [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► decide to have you know the bloodlust to [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► take over the entire galaxy [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► to be fair he looked kind of stupid they [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► were bringing televisions to farmers in [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► the far future I thought that was a [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► funny little touch and one of them is [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► the technology overall is very [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► interesting i mean it's it's so clear [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► when these books were written [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► he's got a lot of far future ideas but [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► everybody is still smoking like he [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► couldn't picture a time and smoking what [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► is the thing people did your paper [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► everything's right on paper their x-rays [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► were nuclear that's what I love about [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► pulp stories from this era is you've got [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► people who show up in spaceships and the [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► step out and talk exactly like nineteen [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► thirties gangsters it's great there's [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► the dictation machine in the last story [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► in in second foundation where she's [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► reading she dictates it and it writes [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► things out in longhand in pen on paper [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► and I thought that's just so strange but [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► you know again you don't know things you [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► imagine about the future and the things [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► you don't and also the argument that [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► science fiction is really about you know [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► the time in which it's written and you [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► want them to be recognizable characters [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► and science fiction that pushes those [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► boundaries and makes it like here's what [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► people will really be like 500 years or [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► a thousand years from now are probably [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► not going to be things that are even [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► comprehensible and probably very [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► challenging you know he's telling a row [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► malagori here to be fair i mean when i [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► first read these books might probably [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► like early nineties at that time we [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► weren't in the position that we are now [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► some most of those things didn't seem [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► that far-fetched the idea of everybody's [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► smoking was still not it's still not [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► that weird [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► the idea of everything still being on [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► paper completely made sense so I'm sure [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► when i was first reading it I like heard [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► about that dictation machine was like oh [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► man I want one [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► whereas now I'm like oh that would be [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► clunky and terrible but it would still [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► be kind of awesome [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► well apparently can make the paper smell [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► good too so you something well you know [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► if your girl [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► right there are girls in his book a [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► couple in a few so I like the first the [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► beginning parts of the foundation story [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► when it's all about Harry Seldon [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► predicted exactly this and this guy [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► gotta make up an encyclopedia but it's [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► not really what it's about [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► yeah and somebody needs to figure out [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► how to get through this particular thing [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► I am less interested in it when it [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► turned into a hunt for the second [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► foundation and also the second [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► foundation is actually rigging [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► everything all the time so area Sultan [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► wasn't even that clever to begin with [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► yeah yeah I i agree i think the mule is [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► an interesting thing where it is quite a [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► gambit on his part to have this [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► character and broken across the the two [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► books to which is interesting like it [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► gives it sort of a cliffhanger kind of [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► feel to it which is kind of interesting [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► for things that are generally not [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► connected to each other but they're [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► there are a lot of these that that are [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► are more i would say yeah they're more [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► they're more uninteresting once that the [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► the most audacious stuff is at the [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► beginning which is that you're watching [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► you're watching time go ahead i love [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► that there's the there's the hologram [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► machine that just pops up and hairy [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► cells and gives like more facts about [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► how his plan is progressing because he's [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► figured it all out you know early on [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► that that's kind of that's kind of fun [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► because it's the work we're setting this [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► up where and also i think it's an [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► exciting story about trying to preserve [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► society right the idea is we're trying [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► to we're trying to save knowledge and [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► culture from 30,000 your dark age and [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► even a thousand years we still need to [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► preserve it and that's kind of fun story [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► to tell [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► I like psychohistory as the hard science [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► fiction concept of what if this science [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► existed [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► what would that mean and when it turns [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► out that what it means is that there's a [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► race of telepathic Superman who can [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► control minds and do all this other [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► stuff it's getting a little goofy but [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► they learned how to do it inside the [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► basic the the capital of the empire all [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► along [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► yeah who told you turn you as a as a [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► social science major one of the things [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► that amuses me about this is that this [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► is this is a very social science kind of [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► side [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► fiction right it's like you know what [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► social science is going to be in the [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► future is going to be so good they could [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► predict everything will happen entire [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► galaxy for a thousand years [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► that's how good we are going to get with [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► social science I didn't major in [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► psychohistory though wasn't offered [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► black and minor in it [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► what kind of school do you go to [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► transport tech he was not that good but [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► man can you machine things good robotics [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► program mostly logic puzzles [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► hey Erica so do you want to talk a [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► little bit more about the largely utter [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► lack of women in mesa you know the that [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► i have read an awful lot of books home [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► by Isaac asthma and other writers from [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► this area and that's the thing that even [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► when its first reading them [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► I didn't even really notice because i [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► didn't know it could be any different [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► now that I've grown up and read a lot of [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► cool books with lots of exciting female [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► characters the relax stands out a whole [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► lot more and you know maybe it wouldn't [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► be quite so bad if the very few examples [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► of female characters we had in here were [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► treated the way they were treated i [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► mentioned i highlighted some passages so [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► I just like to take you guys little [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► taste of the stuff that jumped out at me [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► so we had the tues endian planet where [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► they landed on one of the outskirt [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► planets but they're talking about the [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► machines from there it says even to the [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► Indian machines into the indian food was [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► better than the native stuff and they [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► were closed for the women of other than [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► gray homespun which was a very important [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► thing like there are no women on this [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► planet that we're talking about the only [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► information that we get about them is [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► that they like to have their clothes [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► that are more colorful that imported [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► from other planets yeah [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► yep yeah and then you get that the one [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► female character who really has a whole [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► lot going on is a teenage girl [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► arcadia or Arkady I don't know how [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► you're supposed to pronounce that but so [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► you have lots of sort of condescending [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► things thrown her way at least she has [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► some sort of inner life which i [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► appreciate but you know her dad's asking [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► her if you're going to pretend you're 19 [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► what he what he gonna do when you're 25 [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► and all the boys think you're 30 and [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► and the other fellow telling his father [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► to to shoot whoever this girl is [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► planning on marrying someday because she [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► is just she has her own mind is so [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► headstrong that that would be a terrible [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► thing for anyone that wants to marry her [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► yeah you know the part that says early [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► for me is really the book When Harry [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► Seldon somebody is talking about oh you [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► have a hundred thousand people working [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► in your foundation and he's like well [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► that includes the women so quick out in [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► in my headcanon i like to think that the [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► second foundation is actually all women [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► because they're the ones who know what [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► they're doing they are often not [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► identified as anything other than write [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► the first speaker and the third speaker [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► and all of that [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► that's right and that's true what we do [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► find out who the first series but but [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► yeah like it man when he's talking about [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► the calgon the the planet of luxuries [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► and stuff he's talking about all of the [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► the people that go there [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► so you've got the dandies of the [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► imperial court there's sparklingly and [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► libidinous ladies the Ruffin raucous [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► warlords who ruled an iron the world's [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► they had gained in blood with their [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► unbridled and lascivious winches of the [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► plump and luxurious businessman of the [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► foundation with their lush mistresses I [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► was just like wow yeah that's it so the [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► only one that visit that planet are you [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► know at shays and concubines and but no [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► lush winches [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► so that's the girl in the story at the [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► end of foundation second foundation is [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► the granddaughter of of the the [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► Darrell's or Darrell's that are that are [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► there who are like traveling with that [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► with Magnifico the clown but you think [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► they're a little slow on the uptake hear [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► about Magnifico the club are most [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► dangerous individual character who could [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► upset the entire plan spends most of our [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► time with him dressed as a clown and but [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► but uh anyway the grandmother of the of [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► the of the girl in that later story [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► kills the guy who knows where the second [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► foundation is located so she is she is [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► basically the [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► the the hero at the end of that the only [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► reason she's able to do that is because [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► because she had this feminine [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► characteristics of actually liking the [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► the Magnifico or bow which is he claims [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► its original name I wish you would have [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► done with that because she liked him for [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► himself he was he decided to it to leave [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► her mind undressed like the only way [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► that she could could get past him and [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► which was just it was seem like it [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► struck me as a very gendered sort of [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► treatment for that character no surprise [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► but it does kill it kill a guy before so [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► yeah which was the wrinkles finalized [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► but yes and his head falls off which I i [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► remember that passage she blesses torso [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► and then his head falls off which is [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► kind of cool [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► it's tempting to credit Asimov's gender [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► characterizations as strictly a product [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► of the times but he did spend his entire [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► life [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► grabbing the butt of any woman who came [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► near him and I've like I said I've read [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► plenty of other novels from that time [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► actually when I was growing up I thought [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► Andre Norton was a dude because or [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► Andrew north as she also wrote a rose [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► and you know her books also had some of [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► the same you know gender norms stuff [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► going on with you know that but space [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► captain pilot is a guy but she worked in [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► a lot more women it was possible to do [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► it you know she was a very very prolific [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► and active author at the time she sold [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► just fine so it wasn't you know you know [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► having a woman in the book did not [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► necessarily kill it [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► well you know just glanced across the [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► Highland was a weirdo but he had plenty [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► of women in his books it wasn't horrible [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► anyway yeah and they were all sex [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► objects some of them were the main [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► characters of the books in fact that's [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► very to all right what else what else [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► should we talk about we could talk about [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► the lack of a Leo yeah yeah yeah this is [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► a whole galaxy with no aliens in it [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► which is refreshing [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► yeah it is kind of neat to just just [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► make that choice that the only thing [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► that we get to remotely approaching an [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► alien is a mutation in humanity itself [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► yeah i think if there were aliens that [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► would strain credibility even farther [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► with hurry Seldon's pretty great because [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► that's a random factor that would [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► impinge from the outside like you can [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► say and after 500 years you'll have a [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► local government problem and have to [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► select this type of guy is you can't [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► really say after 750 years here comes [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► the aliens invade that's right as i'm [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► sure you're aware the aliens have left [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► yeah yeah it's uh I like though I'm what [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► was it firefly was a an example of a [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► world where I think just we can set up [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► front like no aliens [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► no no aliens right and it is kind of [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► refreshing to have those they have those [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► sci-fi world or universe is where [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► they're like you know what this is gonna [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► be about the people and variations of [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► people and we're not going to this is [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► not a story about us meeting some other [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► you know other other race the monsters [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► are us where our own problems we're [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► going to have to deal with it and that's [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► the story he wants to tell here right to [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► the point where when we talked about the [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► the sack of of of transit or right um [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► they refer to it as being sacked by like [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► what [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► it's basically like space barbarians [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► space Visigoths so they don't it could [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► be aliens right you could be aliens but [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► that's not the point and we have to draw [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► he draws the parallel with Rome so [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► directly [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► it's like well suffice it to say they [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► were there were you know space [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► barbarians who came and and and attack [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► them all right no aliens is this is not [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► a story about aliens right it's a story [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► about humanity in all its forms [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► including its mutant forms apparently is [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► you're looking for aliens don't read the [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► foundation or really any of its mother's [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► sure he doesn't want some no I mean most [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► one of the things that I that I liked [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► about reading his books that are also [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► upset in this universe is the fact that [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► they're all sort of settings universe [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► you see trends or right here in a whole [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► bunch of his other his other works and [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► I've always been the kind of the candy [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► kid that that like to just spot those [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► little easter egg things and be able to [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► kind of hook stuff together so but [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► regardless of the quality of whichever [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► of his books i was reading at the time I [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► always dug it when I saw a connection to [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► something else so I like the idea that [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► was another reason the second time i [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► read the foundation that I [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► is much more into it because I recognize [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► that this you know huge sweeping story [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► actually probably enclosed a decent [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► number of the other books that I like or [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► that they proceeded in the same world [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► see I never really bought the [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► connections because maybe just because i [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► had read the publication date but it [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► seems very clear to me he had written [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► three different sets of stories and then [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► someone said you know I what I bet would [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► sell foundation meeting empire he said [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► different Empire ok here we go far and [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► wait girls that's the sleeves put some [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► stuff in the typewriter and not to go [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► two hours later he has a novel huh [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► nothing at all fits I just like it well [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► he's playing in his own universes and [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► then also connecting the dots because [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► what wouldn't that be fun wouldn't blow [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► their minds if they ran into daniel over [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► on the moon right and it totally worked [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► for me my mind was blown [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► yeah yeah yeah yeah i mean III fell into [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► him back at the end of elementary school [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► but i but I started with the caves of [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► steel and the naked son because they [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► were mysteries it awakened you know this [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► is cool you have any of those on my [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► shelf right here to my favorites and and [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► then sort of fell into the foundation [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► books from there and and so yeah it was [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► it was neat to see these vague [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► connections between everything you go [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► and you go okay there's this green [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► scheme and then yeah in through the [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► eighties as he started pulling them all [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► together i liked them less and less and [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► i still have not read most of the later [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► books just because it did I didn't [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► believe the connections it just didn't [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► work for me at a certain point i also [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► don't believe they're written by azimoff [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► we eventually if if if they are even [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► it's 35 40 years later right so even if [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► it's him [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► yeah it's not the same guy it's a it's a [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► much later and easy you know when it's a [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► cash grab and yeah I like it when he's [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► young and hungry [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► well and i agree i don't like the sort [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► of loose connection of the original [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► stories and you know and like giving the [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► Martian Chronicles with Bradbury and [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► just these things that are sort of these [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► loosely linked short stories [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► I really like that and I thought he was [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► much better that than he was in the [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► later books where he's trying to do a [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► novel it's a big thing like yeah that is [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► interesting [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► a couple of notes i had I them get back [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► to the mule for a second it is out like [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► a Hail Mary I do i do feel like the mule [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► is there because like what am I gonna do [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► now I got it i'll have this guy he's got [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► powers and he's going to confuse people [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► what I do like about the way the meal is [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► treated it is is not not his [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► he's horrible appearance he's a skinny [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► guy with a big nose that's like yeah no [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► yeah no yeah Ronnie guy get on a guy [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► with the big nose he can't be in charge [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► of anything but um but he is I like that [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► he's a cipher that he has no name that [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► has given other than Bobo and ben 10 and [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► his clown names he has no name and I I [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► think that's that actually is [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► interesting that he's he's a mystery and [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► a cipher and and we don't really [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► understand who he is or where he came [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► from i think that's kind of fun and also [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► in the car in a context of it being this [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► story maybe depending on your [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► perspective you a story told from a [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► thousand years hence when they're [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► looking back in history of the galaxy [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► that led to the reestablishment of the [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► of the galactic empire that they don't [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► know like the the rest of the details [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► have been lost in time and I think [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► that's I I get a little vibe of that [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► from this too so I think that those are [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► things i like about the mule is that the [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► mule is not we don't get a lot of like [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► why does the mule do you can do what he [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► does like who knows he's angry he's [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► angry and his powers i found one of the [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► the best scenes in the book is when a [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► picture pretty thorough is walking to [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► meet the mule in the palace that he's [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► taken over and he he's walking down this [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► like mile long road to get to the palace [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► and nobody's around there are no guards [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► and as an off it explains it doesn't [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► need guards because he can control minds [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► so the whole Palace is just empty except [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► for the mule and his little spider yeah [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► when he gets to the office is like you [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► don't even need to look at them you can [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► just turn away and it's fine it's cool [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► because he he knows everything you're [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► thinking it's ok it's creepy it is that [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► is it is creepy and speaking look at the [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► history books books one of the things [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► that features heavily in these books [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► at the beginning especially is the [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► Encyclopedia Galactica which as we [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► mentioned is a front it's a fake it if [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► you die i enjoy that that we're gonna [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► set up this big thing and it's going to [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► be really good and it's going to [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► preserve its going to preserve knowledge [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► but behind the scenes we have plans to [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► control the future [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► I like that and I also of course like [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► that because the Encyclopedia Galactica [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► referenced specifically in Hitchhiker's [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► Guide to the galaxy books as the stuffy [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► annoying everything thing that everybody [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► knows that's available for the galaxy [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► much less interesting than the [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy which [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► is what all the hoopla fruits you know [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► where their towel is you know that this [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► is that what they read they don't read [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► dumb old encyclopedia chol speaking of [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► this the stuffiness the encyclopedia [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► that is one of the things that drew me [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► in towards the beginning with I was sort [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► of moved by the plight of harding having [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► to argue against all of these stuffy [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► scholars before they found out that the [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► Encyclopedia was a front and you just [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► get these cranky old men who are like [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► it's all about the books there's nothing [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► else going on here this is so important [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► you shouldn't you know care about [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► anything else and then they just get [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► like totally beat down and it was just [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► like you know pumping my fist like hi [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► suck it old dudes but but the story is [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► around these these stories that you you [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► get that over and over again which is [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► people like that we've been doing this [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► for we've been doing this for years or [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► since my grandfather was here or [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► whatever like that and and then [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► something changes because that's he [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► wants to get across that timescale thing [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► that you know Harry Sultan's plan is [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► working on to the surface and you know [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► you i love that people commit their [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► entire lives and careers to this thing [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► that's just a front like this that's [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► hilarious yeah after them [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► no it's very sad for them well if they [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► weren't so jerky about it i wouldn't [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► take so much pleasure mr. got to see the [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► big picture here which they they don't [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► that they didn't need to see the big [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► picture they were Stooges I do like a [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► kind of a correlation to that is so the [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► foundation is set up because Harry 7 has [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► a plan and they know his plan and so the [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► rest of the galaxy knows about it as [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► well but they don't really know anything [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► about it so there's this whole religion [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► that the foundation builds up around [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► itself right you know give technology to [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► the barbarians [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► and you know preach to these people and [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► so the rest of the galaxy kind of has a [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► chip on his shoulder because the [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► foundation people know what's going to [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► happen in the future even though they [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► don't really but they feel like they're [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► predict protected by this plan and [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► they're they're winning is inevitable so [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► they don't really have to do anything so [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► they at all the galaxies hates them and [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► then the second foundation is introduced [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► and the foundation finds out that they [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► are themselves being manipulated by [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► another group and they get angry and I [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► just find that amusing [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► well and that and the life cycles are [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► some real-time follow-up from our chat [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► room on you know the lifecycle is [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► definitely sketched out by him about [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► we're going to go through this phase in [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► this phase in this phase and he's [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► thinking of the big picture and I think [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► that I think that's a really interesting [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► i did have one one thing which i want to [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► mention about the mule which is the [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► Mules goal is basically to take over [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► everything so at one point I I kept [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► waiting for the foundation people to be [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► like hey it turns out we don't need a [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► thousand years of Darkness jizz we can [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► do 500 because there's this guy and he's [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► gonna use his powers to unite the galaxy [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► and he's he's got like birth defects and [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► is going to die in the next 10 years and [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► then there's an empire so yay let's just [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► go let's go auntie mule but instead [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► they're like no no Harry Sullivan didn't [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► write anything about this we gotta kill [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► this guy [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► we gotta get rid of this guy I think the [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► problem there is that once he dies the [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► like the foundation of his no pun [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► intended [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► acha other companies rule of his rule is [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► it falls apart because he is only able [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► to keep people you know basically will [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► have one generation of people who are [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► loyal to him because he or you know he [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► could make them loyal to the ideals of [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► peace or whatever but without the [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► Foundation's grand plan which will bring [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► everything together be whatever it ends [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► up being at the time economics or force [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► or mental powers who knows we go get [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► that far in these three books but i [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► think that that they they might not have [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► known a lot about psychohistory but they [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► recognized enough to know that his [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► taking over was not not something that [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► could actually last for very long and [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► wasn't he wasn't stupid internet but [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► within forty thousand years of of crap [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► afterwards and then there's no more [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► hairy sell them to come up with a plan i [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► think the biggest problem is that the [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► mule was [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► interested in getting be the foundation [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► plan on on schedule right he want he he [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► was in tech mystic to them and he was [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► going to do things you know he's trying [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► to root them out instead of being like [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► guys guys I can help [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► he was not interested in helping because [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► he was a very bitter angry mutant nobody [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► ever helped him now an ugly cancer and [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► it was really yeah I sometimes had to [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► fight to not picture him as like a like [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► a mule like I i was born with the Mules [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► head that's why he wears the clown [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► outfit interactive visual head is this [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► granny guy with a big nose [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► yeah that's it although i did like oh [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► you know speaking of the Seldon plan and [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► you mentioned Jason the the hollow q [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► where Harry seldom appears oh yeah at [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► Planned moments when there's a Seldon [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► crisis over everybody go when that's [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► gonna happen but he just shows up and is [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► like hey I'm going to give you a vague a [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► advice that isn't really a nice about [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► what you're about to do this i recorded [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► this 200 years ago [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► exactly and then confuse you more and [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► then vanish but feel free to sit down if [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► you're standing and smoke [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► yeah everybody spoke it would have been [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► more realistic if eventually Hari Seldon [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► was speaking in the language none of [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► them understood [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► huh together they get the old the old [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► galactic scholars there to translate [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► yeah because I i personally am NOT great [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► at whatever they were speaking in 1100 [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► yeah sure the base Latin I guess so the [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► one that's true but i like that so he [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► sets it up and everytime seldom appears [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► he is right because he has a plan and [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► then the mule appears and one of the [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► people has figured out done a little [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► psychohistory is like oh I know I seldom [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► crisis is approaching that means cells [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► going to appear and tell us what to do [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► so let's go down to the the time bunker [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► or whatever the heck they called it i [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► forget and he'll tell us what to do and [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► that he appears and he's like as you [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► know you are currently in a civil war [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► and the traders and they're like what [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► this is nothing to do with what's going [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► on I just enjoyed that moment everybody [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► everyone's freaking out and the meal was [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► there as well spoiler alert i also like [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► the idea that he's sometimes talking to [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► an empty room [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► yes that said because they you know they [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► didn't bother to show up because they [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► you know they they fix the Seldon crisis [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► is crazy themselves so they didn't go [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► and listen to what he had to say like I [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► would want to be there even if we manage [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► to solve it i would bet the dude from [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► hundreds of years ago is just going up [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► here and start talking to us out of the [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► past that's pretty interesting [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► he's the guy that's the architect of [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► everything that's happening now you [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► don't want to go and check bill no let's [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► give on video just given video at least [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► right yeah their entire society is based [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► on this guy in his writings just have [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► somebody's station down there to go [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► oh hey guys George Washington said [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► something else should really be somebody [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► down there all the time just in case [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► like I i would totally station somebody [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► down there you know it's an easy job you [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► can read the comic books and stuff for [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► your book book films put a woman down [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► there [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► she's got to secretary [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► ya know just have one of those dictation [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► machines and their galleons going down [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► it's a great idea within people would [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► sneak in there and say I'm Harry [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► soldered and I say Scott should have a [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► race that's how are they storing all [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► their information right before things [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► started like during prelude to [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► foundation couldn't they have just like [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► saved whatever their current version of [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► wikipedia is it's weird that there was [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► no storage of all of their knowledge at [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► that point it got overwritten I think [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► the Encyclopedia Galactica has all that [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► stuff in stacks and the library at rant [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► or was existence so you could still go [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► there was it was hiding the second [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► foundation they might might your wipe [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► your mind when you try to check out a [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► book or something haha shit you can [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► check into the library but you can check [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► out [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► mhm just questioning the need for a [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► encyclopedia foundation starting from [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► scratch it was a front-mounted well it [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► was yeah it's also everything there was [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► no need you know encyclopedia salesmen [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► they really talk a good [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► game a big head and very seldom the [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► ultimates encyclopedia salesman can i [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► interest you in a galaxy-spanning [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► foundation today [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► your kids will thank you well there many [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► generations hence will thank you [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► mm what do you say we started with [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► volume na to NB anything more about [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► foundation before we moved to what we're [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► reading is to love it i still enjoy it [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► its comfort reading for yeah it goes [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► down pretty quick huh [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► Astrid my big ideas don't like them you [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► also might actually enjoy i do enjoy the [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► part with the meal I feel like it's a [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► completely different style of story you [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► know we get the world spanning [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► foundation eat stuff at the beginning [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► and then it takes a turn it just sort of [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► becomes a zoom bang you know [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► edge-of-your-seat excitement kind of a [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► thing which is not the same type of [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► storytelling as at the beginning so I [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► enjoy it but on a very different whale [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► yeah it's kind of a daring move and I [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► proved that he could have kept turning [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► out and then they ran into another [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► problem and then they solved it and Hari [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► Seldon appeared a good job and he winks [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► link [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► yeah I enjoy the the section titles for [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► the second foundation two men in the [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► mule two men without the meal two men [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► and a peasant two men and the elders one [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► man in the mule one-man the mule and [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► another seem straightforward [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► it's good stuff three men and a baby was [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► in there too but now that 13 min Emil [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► and a baby to two-and-a-half mules for [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► the meal can have a baby so now too [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► yeah and one you and nobody else and [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► that's why his soul tragic you see em [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► rights that's what it ends right I'm [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► called the mule that's not why I'm [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► called the mule and he walks off sadly [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► in for that was very abrupt and yeah so [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► anyway he wasn't that big a thread man [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► nevermind then we have our mentalists [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► who can out mental the mental mutant [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► antsy to get done [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► yeah but i would say people who are [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► listening you kids out there with your [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► fancy science fiction go to your library [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► checkout foundation [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► and read it yeah and if you are very [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► careful you may discover it at in the in [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► the basement of your library a secret [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► door that leads to a no to a bunker to [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► bunker containing the second foundation [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► especially containing a hologram of an [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► old man [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► yes I believe that's literally the plot [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► of the librarians yeah you're right [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► there [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► I think you're right hello I think [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► you're right and another was a line [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► about librarians it in this 10 that [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► whatever his name was he says I'm no man [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► of action [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► no hero of any tell you I'm a library [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► and ok which I did sell didn't spend [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► recording these like was it just all [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► with a row in one day [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► yeah that 1i soon i like to think that [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► he had a computer program he actually [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► recorded hundreds of them in the corner [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► program was monitoring what's happening [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► in global affairs and then he would pick [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► put the computer would put out the right [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► one like oh this is number this is [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► situation 83 and then put that one yeah [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► he recorded all of the important [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► phonemes so they could just construct [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► any speed needed now and in fact he [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► probably did a whole riff on alien [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► invasion was like hey guys I didn't [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► foresee this you're on your own [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► good luck I mean that I'm dead here are [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► the plans for a ray gun and then [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► occasionally you'd have one that's been [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► like you know it looks like you're [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► having an alien invasion emergency [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► that's a totally different voice would [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► you like some help with that [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► I you know I like to think that there's [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► a director they're saying Harry that was [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► great just one more take if you could do [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► a little more proof that the one thing [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► or it's for science theory is kind of [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► like foundations Clippy alright well [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► there is kids you've heard it's got [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► McNulty has told you go to your library [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► and check out foundation to it now [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► yeah if you want to open or by cop you [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► could do that too if you'd like to [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► enrich the estate of isaac asimov you [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► may do like Scott did with his fancy [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► leather-bound volume i did indeed [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► doesn't read better doesn't read better [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► in a fancy leather-bound volumes come [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► that actually leather-bound this club [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► and that's it [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► did you choose proud not get the letter [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► around restraint was from the every [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► man's library it is a lovely addition [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► except for the aforementioned [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► misappropriated ! Sam that all right [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► well let's move on and do something I [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► like to do whenever we have a book club [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► which is get a little taste of what [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► other people are reading or have read [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► recently that they like to mention gives [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► you some ideas of other things that you [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► might like to read [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► Scott what are you reading I am reading [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► well i have recently read yes a book [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► called the trader Peru cormorant by Seth [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► dickinson which I really loved but I [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► hesitate to recommend it to anyone [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► because much like I love KJ parker who [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► who writes these kind of fantasy novels [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► that are there's no magic and there's [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► just lots of pain and betrayal and [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► heartbreak and at the end you just [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► dissatisfied because everyone's unhappy [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► this is the same kind of thing and it's [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► right in the title the the main [TS]

00:56:19 ◼   ► character biru quorum and is a traitor [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► and so she betrays everybody in a very [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► elaborate scheme to get revenge on this [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► empire that takes over her homeland and [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► it's very interesting book and i really [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► like it but I can imagine some people [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► getting to the end of the book and [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► feeling quite cheated so if you can [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► stomach that check it out because it's a [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► good read Erica what are you reading [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► I've been reading so much lately so i [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► will try to make hopefully it's quick [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► I've just been on quite a book jag so [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► besides just frantically finishing be [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► the foundation trilogy today huh that [TS]

00:56:58 ◼   ► was that was i finished adjusting time I [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► kind of fell asleep i was reading it so [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► then i had to wake up music plays games [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► can be made it most recently before that [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► i read a trilogy of books by jamie moyer [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► the first is called delius shadow and [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► they are sort of supernatural detective [TS]

00:57:17 ◼   ► stories but they're kind of two main [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► characters one is Delia and one is a [TS]

00:57:22 ◼   ► detective and they there are murder [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► mysteries but [TS]

00:57:26 ◼   ► there are also ghost so she sees ghosts [TS]

00:57:28 ◼   ► and the other guys that Detective and it [TS]

00:57:30 ◼   ► was one of those series where when I was [TS]

00:57:32 ◼   ► finished reading it I went for like [TS]

00:57:34 ◼   ► several days where i would like reach [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► for the book for my kindle expecting to [TS]

00:57:39 ◼   ► jump back into this world and then [TS]

00:57:40 ◼   ► remember i had finished them and it was [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► so sad so if you like the supernatural [TS]

00:57:45 ◼   ► kind of thing or mysteries i recommend [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► checking this out because i thought they [TS]

00:57:48 ◼   ► were excellent and they take place um [TS]

00:57:50 ◼   ► like the 1910s so you get all kinds of [TS]

00:57:52 ◼   ► interesting in San Francisco interesting [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► you feel like you're really in that [TS]

00:57:57 ◼   ► place at that time after the earthquake [TS]

00:57:59 ◼   ► in the fire and then during the war [TS]

00:58:02 ◼   ► it's a really good reads before that I [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► was following up on i had started [TS]

00:58:09 ◼   ► reading now John Scalzi is old man war [TS]

00:58:11 ◼   ► series all old man's war series a long [TS]

00:58:13 ◼   ► time ago and just jump back into it and [TS]

00:58:16 ◼   ► read Zoe's tail in the ghost brigades [TS]

00:58:19 ◼   ► and last colony and now I'm realizing [TS]

00:58:23 ◼   ► that it's been so long since i read old [TS]

00:58:24 ◼   ► man swear that I have to go back and [TS]

00:58:26 ◼   ► reread it because I really remember [TS]

00:58:27 ◼   ► going to happen to they kept referring [TS]

00:58:28 ◼   ► to things and I was like I know I'm [TS]

00:58:30 ◼   ► supposed to know what this is but i [TS]

00:58:31 ◼   ► really don't [TS]

00:58:32 ◼   ► so that's next on my list and then an [TS]

00:58:36 ◼   ► author that I just love for sort of like [TS]

00:58:38 ◼   ► light comfort reading is Sarah Addison [TS]

00:58:40 ◼   ► allen and she came out with a new book [TS]

00:58:42 ◼   ► like a year ago which I finally got [TS]

00:58:43 ◼   ► around to reading i read the first page [TS]

00:58:45 ◼   ► realized it was a sequel to one of her [TS]

00:58:47 ◼   ► other books so then I had to go back and [TS]

00:58:49 ◼   ► read the first book so the first one is [TS]

00:58:50 ◼   ► garden spells and the newer one is [TS]

00:58:53 ◼   ► called first frost and it is about a [TS]

00:58:55 ◼   ► family in a southern town I think like [TS]

00:58:59 ◼   ► it's somewhere in the Carolinas who has [TS]

00:59:01 ◼   ► family magic there's a an apple tree in [TS]

00:59:04 ◼   ► the backyard that will throw apples at [TS]

00:59:06 ◼   ► people and if you eat one of the apples [TS]

00:59:07 ◼   ► you see either wonderful or terrifying [TS]

00:59:10 ◼   ► terrifying vision of the future and one [TS]

00:59:12 ◼   ► of them is a she's caterer and the food [TS]

00:59:16 ◼   ► that she makes with the ingredients from [TS]

00:59:18 ◼   ► the garden can make people do or see or [TS]

00:59:20 ◼   ► feel things and just each character has [TS]

00:59:22 ◼   ► their own sort of thing and it's it's [TS]

00:59:24 ◼   ► kind of wonderful so read both of those [TS]

00:59:26 ◼   ► and last but not least just before that [TS]

00:59:29 ◼   ► I zipped through the Fallen blade series [TS]

00:59:31 ◼   ► by kelly McCullough super super fast [TS]