The Incomparable

271: Nostalgia Bomb


00:00:00   the Intolerable under 271 November 2015 [TS]

00:00:11   welcome back to the incomparable i'm [TS]

00:00:13   your host Jason Steele we are here with [TS]

00:00:15   a special timely breaking news to detect [TS]

00:00:19   attitude edition of the uncomfortable [TS]

00:00:21   because just this week [TS]

00:00:25   CBS announced that it's happening [TS]

00:00:28   there's a new star trac TV series in the [TS]

00:00:32   works up to appear on your screen in [TS]

00:00:34   january of 2017 not this January it will [TS]

00:00:38   be a year from this January but still [TS]

00:00:40   first new star trek in on TV in a decade [TS]

00:00:44   here to talk about the ramifications [TS]

00:00:47   this is like the star trek version of a [TS]

00:00:48   star wars trailer analysis to talk about [TS]

00:00:51   the ramifications of this what what are [TS]

00:00:53   dreams and hopes are for a new star trek [TS]

00:00:54   and some of the interesting choices that [TS]

00:00:57   are being made by CBS i'm joined by a [TS]

00:00:59   panel of people who have things to say [TS]

00:01:01   about Star Trek first and foremost a [TS]

00:01:03   host of random track on this very [TS]

00:01:05   uncomfortable network mr. Scott McNulty [TS]

00:01:07   hi Scott [TS]

00:01:08   I'm very excited to be here i hope that [TS]

00:01:10   this the title of the new star trek [TS]

00:01:13   series is going to be CSI star trek but [TS]

00:01:17   it's possible [TS]

00:01:18   did you read the book oh no way it's not [TS]

00:01:19   a book club episode also here I wouldn't [TS]

00:01:22   do start podcast without her [TS]

00:01:24   it is Brianna Wu hello what's up I [TS]

00:01:27   really looking forward to hearing damn [TS]

00:01:29   or in seeing the star trek lyrics that [TS]

00:01:31   that gene roddenberry road at the end of [TS]

00:01:34   the show i'm really looking dan I can't [TS]

00:01:37   wait to hear it here is can warranty on [TS]

00:01:39   the room to starlight on the island [TS]

00:01:41   longer some Starflight i know that in [TS]

00:01:43   Star studies reaches out of love [TS]

00:01:45   Strangelove star woman teaches you more [TS]

00:01:47   this year hide and i am really delighted [TS]

00:01:49   to be here is about the second best [TS]

00:01:51   science fiction franchise are you [TS]

00:01:55   come on Jack this man right here all [TS]

00:01:59   austin i will drive to your house break [TS]

00:02:04   will drive the car and i will run to CVS [TS]

00:02:07   and buy toilet paper and I'm looking [TS]

00:02:09   where we don't care how i think it's [TS]

00:02:10   only right spare that's where i can we [TS]

00:02:12   actually I could use some toilet paper [TS]

00:02:14   so you could be home before and also [TS]

00:02:16   david lawrence here LOL hello I'm also [TS]

00:02:20   very excited I just I didn't see the [TS]

00:02:22   whole Chuck Lorre executive producing I [TS]

00:02:25   think it's strange that they're having [TS]

00:02:26   the Muppets and star trek I don't know [TS]

00:02:28   what that's about [TS]

00:02:28   strange that's awesome that's the best [TS]

00:02:30   idea I've heard all night big zoo sprues [TS]

00:02:34   so I we should say we should say why [TS]

00:02:37   we're here and what what's going on to [TS]

00:02:38   CBS announced it would let me know if [TS]

00:02:41   you know why we're here now on Monday [TS]

00:02:43   November second 2015 CBS announced that [TS]

00:02:46   they are going to do a new star trek [TS]

00:02:48   show it is not one of these like we're [TS]

00:02:50   going to do a pilot it they have a [TS]

00:02:53   serious commitment although i haven't [TS]

00:02:54   read how many episodes i think that's [TS]

00:02:56   kind of unclear is going to be 10 13 or [TS]

00:02:59   seven or 8i I think they don't know yet [TS]

00:03:01   that doesn't say it doesn't say it's a [TS]

00:03:04   picot production between CBS television [TS]

00:03:06   studios which after the Viacom CBS sort [TS]

00:03:10   of merger and uncoupling basically [TS]

00:03:13   paramount owns the parent and CBS share [TS]

00:03:17   the movie rights so there-there are the [TS]

00:03:19   Star Trek films or sure the rights to [TS]

00:03:21   Star Trek and Star Trek films and TV [TS]

00:03:23   rights theoretically are part of CBS [TS]

00:03:25   it's this weird kind of marriage and [TS]

00:03:27   shared franchise but CBS it seems to be [TS]

00:03:31   the agreement CBS gets the TV rights [TS]

00:03:32   parents the movie right so they're [TS]

00:03:34   moving ahead with the TV series they are [TS]

00:03:36   not going to show it on cps or the CW or [TS]

00:03:38   showtime which are things that are owned [TS]

00:03:40   or partially owned by CBS they're going [TS]

00:03:42   to show the premiere on CBS and then it [TS]

00:03:44   was it's going to move to CBS all access [TS]

00:03:47   which is their digital platform it is [TS]

00:03:49   their own little CBS version of netflix [TS]

00:03:51   or hulu so that's kind of an interesting [TS]

00:03:53   one thing that because i don't know [TS]

00:03:55   nerds like Star Trek is only Northwest [TS]

00:03:57   Arkansas on the internet and computers [TS]

00:03:59   where they can watch TV shows and it's [TS]

00:04:01   gonna be produced by alex kurtzman who [TS]

00:04:03   is one of the writers on the on the [TS]

00:04:05   first to JJ Abrams movies [TS]

00:04:08   it's also relevant because alex kurtzman [TS]

00:04:10   I is has a deal with CBS so he knows [TS]

00:04:14   star trek he has a deal with CBS his [TS]

00:04:17   production company which is which is [TS]

00:04:20   sort of spun out of the work that he was [TS]

00:04:22   doing with JJ Abrams for his production [TS]

00:04:24   company is a is producing shows for CBS [TS]

00:04:27   so it's a known quantity with a deal [TS]

00:04:29   with CBS who has a history with Star [TS]

00:04:31   Trek so it kind of makes sense but he is [TS]

00:04:33   not actually slated to be the showrunner [TS]

00:04:36   Alex Kurtzman is basically interviewing [TS]

00:04:38   people to be the writer on the project [TS]

00:04:41   which means yes there's no showrunner [TS]

00:04:43   there seems to be no script and yet it's [TS]

00:04:47   been it's got a premiere date and has [TS]

00:04:49   been committed to two series not even [TS]

00:04:51   two pilots oh really interesting times [TS]

00:04:56   and I guess we should start there [TS]

00:04:57   although i eventually we're gonna get [TS]

00:04:58   around 2i think what our hopes and [TS]

00:05:00   dreams are for a for new star trek on [TS]

00:05:02   our screens but let's start there what [TS]

00:05:04   do you think about this idea that it's [TS]

00:05:06   not going to be we we've debated in the [TS]

00:05:08   past on this on this very podcast about [TS]

00:05:10   what's the right place for star trek to [TS]

00:05:12   be and what doesn't make sense on see on [TS]

00:05:14   CBS or doesn't make sense on the CW or [TS]

00:05:17   doesn't make sense straight to netflix [TS]

00:05:19   and instead what we've got is CBS all [TS]

00:05:20   access so let's start there what do you [TS]

00:05:22   think about the idea that this is going [TS]

00:05:24   to be a digital streaming project i mean [TS]

00:05:27   i will go watch star trek anywhere they [TS]

00:05:30   complete a hundred dollar cinema here I [TS]

00:05:32   will go see it you know if they if i [TS]

00:05:34   have to pay a subscription fee at CBS to [TS]

00:05:37   see this i will happily do that [TS]

00:05:39   dad said you know I know I'm not the [TS]

00:05:41   only person that's going gosh do I [TS]

00:05:44   really need another streaming service [TS]

00:05:46   that pay for every single month it's [TS]

00:05:48   hard enough to justify HBO GO [TS]

00:05:50   so you know I will I will bite and I [TS]

00:05:54   will do this but you know I i think it's [TS]

00:05:56   like CBS trying like a Hail Mary to kind [TS]

00:06:00   of be relevant in the streaming age I [TS]

00:06:02   get the apple TV has come out recently I [TS]

00:06:04   think that channel vision is going to [TS]

00:06:07   become increasingly popular yeah i think [TS]

00:06:09   they're they're trying to find a way to [TS]

00:06:10   survive in this era is this something [TS]

00:06:12   that's going to catch on and become a [TS]

00:06:14   hulu or netflix or HBO GO [TS]

00:06:16   no of course not but you know I'm still [TS]

00:06:18   going to my ten dollars ira ira story [TS]

00:06:20   that said that a [TS]

00:06:21   that Warner is thinking of retrenching [TS]

00:06:25   on what it offers on streaming and sort [TS]

00:06:28   of like recalibrating to not have their [TS]

00:06:29   latest the latest seasons of their shows [TS]

00:06:32   go to Netflix which is I you know I [TS]

00:06:34   it'll be interesting to see what does [TS]

00:06:35   with the streaming landscape is in more [TS]

00:06:38   than a year anyway that's not saying [TS]

00:06:40   write it like way you know if you're [TS]

00:06:42   really banking on this to like make your [TS]

00:06:43   service cell then maybe you know [TS]

00:06:45   pronouncing it like more than a year out [TS]

00:06:47   is a little weird I mean I i don't know [TS]

00:06:50   i find that strange because if they [TS]

00:06:52   really if they really are like you know [TS]

00:06:54   worried about you know making this this [TS]

00:06:56   service solvent then you feel like they [TS]

00:06:59   wouldn't get all their hopes on [TS]

00:07:00   something that's not even in existence [TS]

00:07:02   yet laughs they've said that that CBS [TS]

00:07:04   all access this is the first of other of [TS]

00:07:07   of scripted shows that they're going to [TS]

00:07:09   do when they're going to do more of them [TS]

00:07:10   so they they fancy themselves as having [TS]

00:07:12   you know originals just like just like [TS]

00:07:15   you would on netflix and and that [TS]

00:07:17   they're trying to make something of this [TS]

00:07:18   weather was already have original [TS]

00:07:20   program and it's the thing that makes no [TS]

00:07:21   sense their network you know they want [TS]

00:07:23   to do streaming originals on top of they [TS]

00:07:25   want everything dan I know it just it's [TS]

00:07:27   weird they do want to be able to make [TS]

00:07:29   more shows that appeal to more people [TS]

00:07:31   you know they don't just want to be the [TS]

00:07:34   geriatric network but it's working for [TS]

00:07:37   them i mean they're getting huge ratings [TS]

00:07:38   they're getting huge advertising dollars [TS]

00:07:40   but you know it's gonna make sense to me [TS]

00:07:42   that they're doing this and make sense [TS]

00:07:44   to me that they did this now because you [TS]

00:07:47   know the CBS app just showed up i still [TS]

00:07:50   have a third generation Apple TV but it [TS]

00:07:53   just showed up last week on the screen [TS]

00:07:55   and I know what's it like [TS]

00:07:57   and it has it has some bugs that has [TS]

00:07:59   some quirks it's not great but this way [TS]

00:08:01   they get in right on on the heels of you [TS]

00:08:04   know hey the apple TV is out now and [TS]

00:08:06   there's all these cool apps and here's [TS]

00:08:07   this thing that you're going to want to [TS]

00:08:09   subscribe to and we'll work all the bugs [TS]

00:08:11   out in the next year you know I just I [TS]

00:08:14   just fine i find it a strange [TS]

00:08:15   proposition especially because i think [TS]

00:08:16   that Star Trek is you know even if it's [TS]

00:08:19   been off the air you know we have had [TS]

00:08:21   movies and it's as a franchise it is [TS]

00:08:23   such a powerhouse of a franchise and has [TS]

00:08:25   devoted called following that profile as [TS]

00:08:29   a devoted following period it is such a [TS]

00:08:31   popular franchise you could very easily [TS]

00:08:34   put this [TS]

00:08:35   on broadcast TV with no problems i mean [TS]

00:08:37   in the same way that they're trying out [TS]

00:08:39   Supergirl you know to sort of anchor [TS]

00:08:41   there's there you know younger appealing [TS]

00:08:44   demographic I don't see any reason why [TS]

00:08:46   you couldn't have both star trek on [TS]

00:08:48   broadcast and in on screaming as they do [TS]

00:08:51   with it because everything else in there [TS]

00:08:52   CBS app is also something that is you [TS]

00:08:55   know broadcast on CBS so I it's [TS]

00:08:57   straighter now but you know I I I think [TS]

00:09:00   you're right i've been saying they [TS]

00:09:01   should be on cbs4 you know since 10 [TS]

00:09:04   years ago because it is universally I [TS]

00:09:07   mean my father who is in his mid [TS]

00:09:09   seventies is a star trek fanatic you [TS]

00:09:11   know he will watch it wherever it is so [TS]

00:09:14   yeah they that this is it should be on [TS]

00:09:18   the network and it just makes sense [TS]

00:09:20   there seems to me like it's a weird [TS]

00:09:21   endorsement of Star Trek almost away cuz [TS]

00:09:23   they're basically saying like we want we [TS]

00:09:25   want to do you want to build a streaming [TS]

00:09:27   business and we could do it with Star [TS]

00:09:29   Trek like with that this will help us [TS]

00:09:30   help us get there and and and it's it's [TS]

00:09:34   valid in that way but I think you're [TS]

00:09:35   right how many subscriptions are we [TS]

00:09:37   going to have I wonder if they had that [TS]

00:09:39   moment like well we could sell this to [TS]

00:09:41   netflix and thence les Moonves is like [TS]

00:09:42   oh we could have a gr8 haha me medicine [TS]

00:09:47   that's exactly what they did with tpn [TS]

00:09:50   like I remember when Boyd came along in [TS]

00:09:51   the nineties and you know like they got [TS]

00:09:53   a tentpole we've got our own franchise [TS]

00:09:55   and that's right and Voyager was the [TS]

00:09:58   reason you tuned in to go over there [TS]

00:10:00   watch that and check it out and you know [TS]

00:10:02   every cycle has done that I mean in the [TS]

00:10:05   seventies you had all the news about [TS]

00:10:07   Star Trek phase two was going to be the [TS]

00:10:09   cornerstone of the Paramount TV network [TS]

00:10:11   and then it fell through and became the [TS]

00:10:12   movie because Star Wars hit big and then [TS]

00:10:15   when next generation came out it was the [TS]

00:10:17   cornerstone of the Paramount syndication [TS]

00:10:19   Entertainment Network and you had one or [TS]

00:10:21   two other shows packaged with it and [TS]

00:10:23   then you have Voyager which is over [TS]

00:10:25   that's going to be the beginning of our [TS]

00:10:26   own network again and so it is sort of [TS]

00:10:29   like this tradition now it's like will [TS]

00:10:30   start this whole new things started it's [TS]

00:10:32   also CBS you know keep in mind CBS is [TS]

00:10:35   also the only a of the only of the major [TS]

00:10:38   broadcast networks to not be a part of [TS]

00:10:40   hulu too so yeah they've already sort of [TS]

00:10:42   you know carve their own little niche [TS]

00:10:44   out that's what's is all access is [TS]

00:10:47   essentially exact [TS]

00:10:48   do for CBS yeah but for the cost of all [TS]

00:10:50   the other program [TS]

00:10:52   well the one thing that CBS is really in [TS]

00:10:54   les Moonves is really good at is getting [TS]

00:10:56   people to pay for CBS programming right [TS]

00:10:59   experience [TS]

00:11:00   CBS is gets a lot of guff about being [TS]

00:11:03   you know only old people watch it but [TS]

00:11:05   they're making tons and tons of money [TS]

00:11:07   and the others they're getting lots of [TS]

00:11:10   money with retransmission fees they are [TS]

00:11:12   always the network that's fighting the [TS]

00:11:14   hardest to get the most money and this [TS]

00:11:16   is a genius idea to launch because you [TS]

00:11:19   know you're reading the tea leaves they [TS]

00:11:20   have their own streaming service i bet [TS]

00:11:22   not a lot of people pay for it although [TS]

00:11:24   in this press release they say they have [TS]

00:11:26   the most ever people who are paying for [TS]

00:11:27   certain is fine [TS]

00:11:29   compared to last night and now they're [TS]

00:11:31   going to get a whole bunch of people who [TS]

00:11:34   are like I didn't even know what's a CBS [TS]

00:11:36   all access was before this news but now [TS]

00:11:38   everybody's talking about it and are [TS]

00:11:40   going to sign up and maybe they'll be [TS]

00:11:41   even some people who because right now [TS]

00:11:43   all the star trek series is our on CBS [TS]

00:11:47   all access so maybe people will even [TS]

00:11:48   sign up for hand and watch everything [TS]

00:11:50   before the new one comes up i will say [TS]

00:11:52   i'm already subscribed to it i [TS]

00:11:54   subscribed right when Colbert started [TS]

00:11:56   because i knew i was gonna miss the [TS]

00:11:57   first couple of nights of the show and I [TS]

00:12:00   wanted to see them for obvious reasons [TS]

00:12:02   and so it's like all right i'll try the [TS]

00:12:03   free trial then I left it on because [TS]

00:12:05   well at the very least I'm I'm gonna [TS]

00:12:07   catch that and I might need to catch [TS]

00:12:09   Supergirl I don't really watch anything [TS]

00:12:11   else on there yet but they're going to [TS]

00:12:14   program other stuff too are presumably [TS]

00:12:16   health program stuff around star track [TS]

00:12:18   because this is a big thing so they'll [TS]

00:12:19   have like the star trek confidential [TS]

00:12:21   like the doctor who modeled on the BBC [TS]

00:12:23   don't have a bunch of stuff around it [TS]

00:12:24   will announce a new deck and uh I think [TS]

00:12:27   that's all good and you know we we are [TS]

00:12:29   living in an era where am i where Amazon [TS]

00:12:31   and Netflix are winning any awards and [TS]

00:12:33   RR well well known the only problem i [TS]

00:12:36   mentioned this to dan we were talking [TS]

00:12:37   about this earlier is CPS you know [TS]

00:12:40   amazon netflix that's what they do CBS [TS]

00:12:42   has like channels that they can put [TS]

00:12:44   shows on and it i think it's a really [TS]

00:12:47   interesting business move i'm [TS]

00:12:48   disappointed in the sense that you'd [TS]

00:12:49   like them to put it on CBS and have a [TS]

00:12:51   chance for it to go big at the same time [TS]

00:12:53   I think it is far more likely to be a [TS]

00:12:56   success that can continue year after [TS]

00:12:59   year on streaming [TS]

00:13:00   then the bar that you have to reach in [TS]

00:13:03   terms of viewers on CBS in terms of our [TS]

00:13:05   viewer and there is there's no there's [TS]

00:13:07   no rule that says that they can't put it [TS]

00:13:10   on CBS if all of a sudden everyone is [TS]

00:13:12   watching had thought it was a huge hit [TS]

00:13:13   they might be like you know we are going [TS]

00:13:15   to show on CBS a couple weeks delayed or [TS]

00:13:18   something like that [TS]

00:13:19   standing rules i mean the the [TS]

00:13:21   interesting thing is you know so it's [TS]

00:13:23   like six bucks a month and you still I [TS]

00:13:27   mean every night on The Colbert rerun [TS]

00:13:29   you get three ads at every break often [TS]

00:13:34   the same ones over and oh yeah les [TS]

00:13:35   Moonves said that they're considering an [TS]

00:13:37   hulu model where you can pay ten dollars [TS]

00:13:39   and Nazi at although it wouldn't shock [TS]

00:13:41   me it wouldn't shock me if Star Trek had [TS]

00:13:44   limited or no ads on it guys just cut [TS]

00:13:46   just cut to the chase [TS]

00:13:47   it's just make it Star Trek all access [TS]

00:13:50   yeah yeah I think it's really important [TS]

00:13:54   here that I think sometimes we talk [TS]

00:13:56   about Star Trek there's obviously a [TS]

00:13:58   tendency to look at it through our own [TS]

00:13:59   experiences and then I think it's really [TS]

00:14:01   important to kind of think about what [TS]

00:14:03   the the long-term play is here for Star [TS]

00:14:06   Trek's future [TS]

00:14:07   I don't know anyone in their twenties [TS]

00:14:10   that like enthusiastically I guess I [TS]

00:14:13   know you know that enthusiastically pays [TS]

00:14:16   for cable right so I i think that this [TS]

00:14:19   is a really interesting move because [TS]

00:14:21   guess they can do the traditional thing [TS]

00:14:24   and put it out on the air they can put [TS]

00:14:27   you on CBS and yes it will [TS]

00:14:29   eunos elsom you will have some downloads [TS]

00:14:32   on apple TV you know you'll be able to [TS]

00:14:34   get it but I don't think it's a [TS]

00:14:36   long-term move i think that you know for [TS]

00:14:38   star trek to survive we have an entire [TS]

00:14:40   generation of people that think Star [TS]

00:14:43   Trek are these last two kind of one is [TS]

00:14:46   good one is very mediocre movies and [TS]

00:14:49   they don't really understand what it's [TS]

00:14:50   like to learn about a cast to come to [TS]

00:14:53   love them over its season after season [TS]

00:14:55   so I think if this is really going to [TS]

00:14:58   work you have to think about this in the [TS]

00:14:59   generational sense and like what is it [TS]

00:15:02   going to take to get you those teenagers [TS]

00:15:04   those 20 something's out there to really [TS]

00:15:06   watch the show and love it and for that [TS]

00:15:09   reason I think this is a really smart [TS]

00:15:11   move for them [TS]

00:15:12   absolutely [TS]

00:15:13   I mean all everything my kids watch [TS]

00:15:16   these days is pretty much on one of the [TS]

00:15:18   streaming services and something pretty [TS]

00:15:19   mentioned you know when we've done that [TS]

00:15:20   our star trek debate club episodes in [TS]

00:15:22   the past we it always comes up that [TS]

00:15:24   whatever Star Trek was like your star [TS]

00:15:26   trek and has a lot to do with when you [TS]

00:15:28   found star trek and when it you and [TS]

00:15:30   although the movies have been fairly [TS]

00:15:32   successful so there are younger people [TS]

00:15:34   who have a perception of Star Trek that [TS]

00:15:36   it that has that having the JJ Abrams [TS]

00:15:38   movies out there as opposed to like [TS]

00:15:40   nothing has been positive but I think [TS]

00:15:42   you're absolutely right that you want to [TS]

00:15:44   have a you need to have that kind of TV [TS]

00:15:46   relationship with Star Trek for you [TS]

00:15:47   really to make a new generation of fans [TS]

00:15:49   and and when you think about when the [TS]

00:15:51   rumors were about them being on Netflix [TS]

00:15:53   because it turns out star trek really [TS]

00:15:55   streams well I'm like nets on netflix it [TS]

00:15:58   does really well and I think it probably [TS]

00:15:59   is going to do well on CBS's service to [TS]

00:16:01   the old episodes that this is an [TS]

00:16:04   interesting idea of like you know [TS]

00:16:05   building up excitement about a star trek [TS]

00:16:08   series run in the in a similar way to [TS]

00:16:10   daredevil or jessica jones coming on [TS]

00:16:12   netflix i think that I'm pretty cool and [TS]

00:16:14   and that's been my problem with the [TS]

00:16:15   movies right like Star Wars is a saga [TS]

00:16:18   and it makes sense to be giant movies [TS]

00:16:20   and they kind of retrofit series around [TS]

00:16:23   it [TS]

00:16:24   whereas star trek is is that hard it's [TS]

00:16:27   about explorations but all different [TS]

00:16:29   kinds of stories and that's been my [TS]

00:16:31   problem with the JJ movies in general is [TS]

00:16:33   is that they're trying to make these big [TS]

00:16:35   giant epic things which it can be but [TS]

00:16:38   that's not the charm of starts right now [TS]

00:16:41   yeah I I agree completely before i wanna [TS]

00:16:44   i want to talk about what this might be [TS]

00:16:45   and what we like it to be what we like [TS]

00:16:47   to see but I wanna before i do that [TS]

00:16:50   anything more people want to say about [TS]

00:16:52   sort of like the mechanics of this of it [TS]

00:16:54   going on streaming and and and things [TS]

00:16:56   like that community can we say something [TS]

00:16:58   or just second about the writer because [TS]

00:17:00   you know I think it's very telling that [TS]

00:17:03   the the one person they're kind of [TS]

00:17:05   bringing on that has some bona fides [TS]

00:17:08   with you and the rider frame was more [TS]

00:17:10   time to the JJ Abrams movies and I [TS]

00:17:13   thought 2009 Star Trek was successful [TS]

00:17:15   I've seen into darkness about six or [TS]

00:17:18   seven times at this point that movie is [TS]

00:17:20   not good it is of the first world ride [TS]

00:17:23   you guys get it [TS]

00:17:25   like a lion make no sense but I i do i [TS]

00:17:27   actually liked it a lot as it's a good [TS]

00:17:29   thing you disagree there and you know [TS]

00:17:31   the the design work is fun but it really [TS]

00:17:34   really worries me because what I think [TS]

00:17:37   those movies too is they i guess it's [TS]

00:17:42   like someone is wearing the suit of Star [TS]

00:17:44   Trek do you know what I mean where [TS]

00:17:45   they've taken it may be a really fun [TS]

00:17:47   action movie and you have the same [TS]

00:17:50   characters but the core of it is well [TS]

00:17:52   that's the challenge of it being a film [TS]

00:17:53   franchise I mean it goes back to to what [TS]

00:17:55   what David said which is Star Trek as a [TS]

00:17:58   summer tentpole action movie franchise [TS]

00:18:01   isn't really how much starter can be i [TS]

00:18:03   think it's to the credit of the 2007 [TS]

00:18:05   movie that it is easy 2007-2009 the [TS]

00:18:08   2008-2009 movie that that it's even [TS]

00:18:11   feels like Star Trek in anyway because I [TS]

00:18:14   it is in summer action movie tentpole I [TS]

00:18:17   it is it is very hard to to do with Star [TS]

00:18:20   Trek does well when you have to serve [TS]

00:18:22   that because that's what that's what TV [TS]

00:18:24   is good at i will say Kurtzman you know [TS]

00:18:26   is a Star Trek fan he gets star trek and [TS]

00:18:29   I think the reason that he's been [TS]

00:18:30   brought in here is because again he's [TS]

00:18:32   got a deal with CBS and he's got some [TS]

00:18:33   Star Trek word star trek track record [TS]

00:18:35   that's really easy to say say that [TS]

00:18:37   racket our track record track record [TS]

00:18:39   trick but I you know it's not paramount [TS]

00:18:43   its CBS they're different [TS]

00:18:45   there's no guarantee that it's going to [TS]

00:18:47   be related to the JJ from Steve like [TS]

00:18:50   timeline in any way and I think I think [TS]

00:18:53   it's encouraging and also telling that [TS]

00:18:55   Kurtzman is not being mooted as the [TS]

00:18:57   showrunner here he's a producer with his [TS]

00:19:01   production company they're like [TS]

00:19:02   basically who do we know who knows [TS]

00:19:04   anything about Star Trek Oh Kurtzman he [TS]

00:19:06   does hawaii five-o and the limitless [TS]

00:19:09   let's have him do it kind of feels like [TS]

00:19:12   he's in the JJ Abrams more than a lot of [TS]

00:19:14   Jackie show he's looking for a [TS]

00:19:15   showrunner he's looking for a writer [TS]

00:19:17   with a vision for this thing and he's [TS]

00:19:19   not he's not it and so I'm actually kind [TS]

00:19:21   of encouraged by that because he knows [TS]

00:19:22   enough about star trek to get it but [TS]

00:19:24   it's not going to be his show and and [TS]

00:19:26   the thing I like about that and I've [TS]

00:19:28   said this before about the JJ movies is [TS]

00:19:30   that you know like you said about [TS]

00:19:32   wearing the suit of Star Trek and we [TS]

00:19:35   haven't changed a retro fit that into [TS]

00:19:38   Jim Kirk being a chosen one like Luke [TS]

00:19:40   Skywalker and his famously a star wars [TS]

00:19:42   fan and not a Star Trek fan and you know [TS]

00:19:45   I always liked the idea that Jim Kirk [TS]

00:19:46   was the captain we focused on but there [TS]

00:19:50   were like 11 other starships out there [TS]

00:19:52   also having adventures and they were [TS]

00:19:54   also pretty good to get to be the [TS]

00:19:56   captains of these starships so it's like [TS]

00:19:58   he's just a guy doing his job right and [TS]

00:20:00   that's I mean that's sort of carries [TS]

00:20:02   over to the others he just created space [TS]

00:20:04   right and you know so this it's it's [TS]

00:20:08   kind of bringing it back to that because [TS]

00:20:09   i'm sure you know they're not going to [TS]

00:20:10   use the same characters obviously we [TS]

00:20:13   don't want to confuse people because [TS]

00:20:14   people are dumb i guess i don't know i [TS]

00:20:16   could I could watch two different Kirk's [TS]

00:20:18   and I'd be okay with that capped about [TS]

00:20:20   him jerk head but you know I i like the [TS]

00:20:25   thought that we are going to get a [TS]

00:20:27   different captain in a different ship [TS]

00:20:29   that's part of this universe whether [TS]

00:20:32   it's the old universe with the new one [TS]

00:20:34   it makes sense to be in the new I hope [TS]

00:20:35   it's not a captain and a ship because I [TS]

00:20:38   feel like we've had several other series [TS]

00:20:40   that do that exact thing so let's try [TS]

00:20:41   something else [TS]

00:20:42   well yeah [TS]

00:20:44   [Music] [TS]

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00:21:47   monster and he's not very good at being [TS]

00:21:49   bad right now I think that's a lot of [TS]

00:21:51   fun there is inspected nine which is [TS]

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00:21:56   who has a regular house in a regular [TS]

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00:22:43   well let's so let's talk about where [TS]

00:22:45   where they could go cuz i'm fascinated [TS]

00:22:47   by this like what elements we want to [TS]

00:22:49   see what we think might be places that [TS]

00:22:51   they may go and and and then we'll we'll [TS]

00:22:53   come back in you know 13 14 months and [TS]

00:22:57   we'll compare notes [TS]

00:22:59   Scott Scott you you say the old captain [TS]

00:23:02   and ship paradigm while a classic is [TS]

00:23:04   also kind of played out what would you [TS]

00:23:06   like to see instead of that that's a [TS]

00:23:08   good question i know easy is it it's not [TS]

00:23:12   so easy that's that's the problem I i [TS]

00:23:14   make no like they're not going to call [TS]

00:23:17   me up and say hey Scott do you want to [TS]

00:23:19   be the showrunner for the new structure [TS]

00:23:20   and series [TS]

00:23:21   did I would say you are in deep trouble [TS]

00:23:24   and I weep for the future of Star Trek [TS]

00:23:28   but if you like to do a podcast about it [TS]

00:23:31   I will uh the eye of always liked the [TS]

00:23:35   the temporal what is it [TS]

00:23:37   section section everyone i feel like [TS]

00:23:41   that could be an interesting show and so [TS]

00:23:44   they could you know time travel over the [TS]

00:23:45   place they can do all kinds of wacky [TS]

00:23:46   stuff it's the seedy underbelly of the [TS]

00:23:49   Federation and I feel like that would be [TS]

00:23:52   an interesting and you know [TS]

00:23:54   quote-unquote edgy thing to do [TS]

00:23:57   well I'll be dr. Trek well not [TS]

00:23:59   necessarily mean it's not you know III [TS]

00:24:01   groups got there's an interesting you [TS]

00:24:02   know an interesting time and didn't [TS]

00:24:04   think the the thing about Star Trek like [TS]

00:24:06   David said is it does sort of support [TS]

00:24:09   all these different ideas like if you [TS]

00:24:10   wanted to do sort of a bit more of a [TS]

00:24:12   like almost thriller aspect you can't do [TS]

00:24:15   that if you will need you want to do [TS]

00:24:16   just you know pure of exploration you [TS]

00:24:18   can do that and you can meld all these [TS]

00:24:19   different topic I mean that's the if you [TS]

00:24:21   want to say you know the thing that was [TS]

00:24:23   sort of to me always the highlight of [TS]

00:24:24   next generation is that it could support [TS]

00:24:26   all those different tones and ideas from [TS]

00:24:28   week to week you can just go from being [TS]

00:24:30   a comedy to being a serious thought [TS]

00:24:32   provoking drama and you can cover all [TS]

00:24:34   the bases [TS]

00:24:35   you know on the on the flip side you [TS]

00:24:37   know you have something like you know [TS]

00:24:39   ds9 which has such a long-running plots [TS]

00:24:41   earth red and dark to it that it really [TS]

00:24:43   just became this very integrated very [TS]

00:24:46   complex drama with all these different [TS]

00:24:48   moving parts which I love that's my [TS]

00:24:50   favorite of the series but he you know [TS]

00:24:52   Star Trek as a as a vehicle what you do [TS]

00:24:56   all those different things because it's [TS]

00:24:58   so versatile and that's that's kind of [TS]

00:25:00   one of the joys of it pretty what would [TS]

00:25:02   you like to see in terms of the premise [TS]

00:25:04   well i would say it's move away from [TS]

00:25:06   your Kirk and you know card I feel like [TS]

00:25:10   I feel like Daisy universe has been [TS]

00:25:12   adequate [TS]

00:25:12   we explored at this point what am I I [TS]

00:25:16   forget who who broke this pilot they [TS]

00:25:18   were trying to get through a few years [TS]

00:25:19   ago I heard this and loved it it was on [TS]

00:25:22   the nnd of the Star Trek TV show that [TS]

00:25:25   took place at the at like kind of after [TS]

00:25:28   Voyager where the Federation grown fat [TS]

00:25:31   and happy and kind of decadent and [TS]

00:25:33   rather than use their technology to [TS]

00:25:35   explore they used it to create [TS]

00:25:38   themselves more and more comfortable [TS]

00:25:39   lifestyles and you know eventually am [TS]

00:25:43   you know a descendant of Kirk came on [TS]

00:25:46   what became to be the enterprise and you [TS]

00:25:48   discovered a new threat to the [TS]

00:25:50   Federation and not them really want that [TS]

00:25:52   particular script but what I appreciated [TS]

00:25:55   about that story is science fiction at [TS]

00:25:58   its best kind of mirrors the conflict [TS]

00:26:02   that we see in our society is one such a [TS]

00:26:04   big fan of Heinlein that he he he was so [TS]

00:26:07   insightful of taking like this some [TS]

00:26:09   error of paranoia and kind of really [TS]

00:26:12   mirroring that conflict so I want to see [TS]

00:26:15   a star track that is relevant for twenty [TS]

00:26:19   fifteen or twenty seventeen when it [TS]

00:26:21   comes out rather than trying to like [TS]

00:26:23   captured the these echoes of the parents [TS]

00:26:25   because I mean look I'm love those i [TS]

00:26:28   love every one of those crews and ships [TS]

00:26:29   but i want to see new adventures and I [TS]

00:26:33   think something is really really key for [TS]

00:26:35   that is you know my biggest criticism of [TS]

00:26:39   the Abrams Star tracks is it's primarily [TS]

00:26:42   adventure for boys and i don't think [TS]

00:26:45   that they include women so what I want [TS]

00:26:46   to see is an adventure the kind of [TS]

00:26:49   reflects the wider track audience and I [TS]

00:26:53   want to see it like reflect the greater [TS]

00:26:55   Society tension staying and i'll just [TS]

00:26:57   say one more thing on Jason's something [TS]

00:26:59   I think about all the time let's think [TS]

00:27:00   about Star Trek is your observation [TS]

00:27:03   you're saying that like Voyager seem [TS]

00:27:05   like repetition to you because you've [TS]

00:27:08   seen all these shows leading up to it [TS]

00:27:10   and I've really been thinking a lot [TS]

00:27:12   about how do you bring Star Trek out in [TS]

00:27:15   2015 20 17 and not fall into that trap [TS]

00:27:20   of like okay let's put out another [TS]

00:27:22   enterprise episode other Voyager episode [TS]

00:27:24   like the same science fiction [TS]

00:27:26   flatline sit star trek kind of recycles [TS]

00:27:28   at a certain point and I don't know if [TS]

00:27:31   the way you do it is to kind of pull up [TS]

00:27:32   a born and make it a little bit more [TS]

00:27:35   realistic [TS]

00:27:36   I don't know if you get a little bit [TS]

00:27:37   more esoteric and and like the first [TS]

00:27:41   track movie was but i think they've got [TS]

00:27:43   put some kind of spin onyx I think just [TS]

00:27:45   recycling that same formula is not going [TS]

00:27:47   to be successful [TS]

00:27:48   I I think premix earlier point about the [TS]

00:27:50   reflecting the the time that you're in [TS]

00:27:52   and I you know well she was talking [TS]

00:27:54   about that i was just thinking that the [TS]

00:27:55   best example of that in recent years [TS]

00:27:56   that i can think of was the occupation [TS]

00:27:59   story arc in battlestar galactica in the [TS]

00:28:02   reboot right was it a fantastic job of [TS]

00:28:04   taking something that was a very thorny [TS]

00:28:06   issue that was coming up in you know in [TS]

00:28:09   our own society at that time and [TS]

00:28:11   explored it through a different lens and [TS]

00:28:13   so it would [TS]

00:28:14   there is so much interesting stuff to [TS]

00:28:16   pick apart right now in where are our [TS]

00:28:18   society is and where it's going that you [TS]

00:28:20   know science fiction is always such a [TS]

00:28:22   good mirror to be able to sort of you [TS]

00:28:24   know look at that but kind of distorted [TS]

00:28:26   in a way that makes you think it makes [TS]

00:28:28   you sort of extrapolate from where it is [TS]

00:28:29   so I agree that finding someone who is [TS]

00:28:31   willing to take that because it can be [TS]

00:28:33   risky to you know you can you risk [TS]

00:28:35   alienating people with that kind of [TS]

00:28:37   thing but i think it's it's valuable and [TS]

00:28:39   it should be done David uh what do you [TS]

00:28:42   think about where they should go and [TS]

00:28:44   we've talked about all sorts of things [TS]

00:28:46   in the past but I'm just too right now [TS]

00:28:47   thinking of well of the one shot here [TS]

00:28:49   what kind of thing would you like to see [TS]

00:28:50   as a as a premise now it's been [TS]

00:28:52   basically it's it's the one idea that [TS]

00:28:55   I've have come back to over and over [TS]

00:28:56   again of and-and-and which would you [TS]

00:29:00   know we've talked about it working at a [TS]

00:29:02   netflix it would work gangbusters here [TS]

00:29:04   especially since they are selling it as [TS]

00:29:06   come see this and all the other series [TS]

00:29:09   are here to is to do something where it [TS]

00:29:13   is [TS]

00:29:13   story arcs and then you can have a [TS]

00:29:15   little bit of all of those kind of [TS]

00:29:17   concepts you can have the exploration [TS]

00:29:19   ship you can have the time-travel you [TS]

00:29:21   can have the entry get Starfleet Command [TS]

00:29:24   or you know it can be any kind of thing [TS]

00:29:26   it can be short arcs long arcs they can [TS]

00:29:29   all interweave into one another and [TS]

00:29:31   because they're they seem to be coming [TS]

00:29:34   around to the idea that we can make this [TS]

00:29:36   niche programming for the people that [TS]

00:29:38   really wanted [TS]

00:29:39   and maybe we don't have faith in it [TS]

00:29:42   going on the network but we'll put it on [TS]

00:29:43   this thing and see how many people pay [TS]

00:29:45   for it they can they don't have to worry [TS]

00:29:48   about it being the exact same CSI [TS]

00:29:52   episode every day I'm week right [TS]

00:29:54   it's not the same criminal minds episode [TS]

00:29:55   every day I'm week they can do something [TS]

00:29:58   a little more interesting like that so [TS]

00:30:01   yeah i would i would do the not quite [TS]

00:30:05   anthology idea and that can that you [TS]

00:30:08   know you could you could go through any [TS]

00:30:10   of the ira's that we've already had or [TS]

00:30:13   you could do like the idw comic book [TS]

00:30:16   series is doing which is doing a [TS]

00:30:19   surprisingly good job of this they're [TS]

00:30:22   taking the JJ universe and retelling [TS]

00:30:27   stories but there are variations and [TS]

00:30:29   doing kind of interesting variations on [TS]

00:30:32   things we already know so that fans you [TS]

00:30:37   know longtime fans are going to get it [TS]

00:30:38   they're gonna get the triple story but [TS]

00:30:40   it's a totally different travel story [TS]

00:30:41   it's going to the tribbles homeworld and [TS]

00:30:44   oh that's interesting but the new people [TS]

00:30:49   are going to be feel left out because [TS]

00:30:51   it's all references right you know [TS]

00:30:53   there's sort of that sense of BS they're [TS]

00:30:55   reliving these kind of things but it's [TS]

00:30:58   it's a little more interesting that way [TS]

00:30:59   and then if you go back to the original [TS]

00:31:01   ones you go home that's what that meant [TS]

00:31:03   and that's what this meant because i [TS]

00:31:06   think at heart [TS]

00:31:08   at its core it's always going to be a [TS]

00:31:10   captain and a ship because it is called [TS]

00:31:13   Star Trek it's about movement and we [TS]

00:31:17   can't assume that my kids are going to [TS]

00:31:21   have that history of seeing all seven [TS]

00:31:24   hundred and however many hours of track [TS]

00:31:27   so you know they're going to come into [TS]

00:31:28   it fresh they're gonna be like oh it's a [TS]

00:31:31   guy on a ship or a woman on a ship and [TS]

00:31:34   their-their multicultural crew and [TS]

00:31:36   they're going off and discovering things [TS]

00:31:38   and there's still room to do all that [TS]

00:31:40   other stuff around [TS]

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00:34:31   my gut feeling is that this needs to be [TS]

00:34:33   something that is is new like brie said [TS]

00:34:37   it needs to not feel like a retread of [TS]

00:34:40   something I feel like the danger of [TS]

00:34:42   get-go jumping too far back into [TS]

00:34:44   something something that's an anthology [TS]

00:34:46   is that you really do want to establish [TS]

00:34:48   established characters and you want to [TS]

00:34:51   you want you want to you know make [TS]

00:34:54   people attach those characters just like [TS]

00:34:56   the people whose another well this new [TS]

00:34:57   star trek that's coming out is no good [TS]

00:34:59   because justin kirk and spock and then [TS]

00:35:01   there's a whole new generation so to [TS]

00:35:03   speak who loved up the card and and data [TS]

00:35:06   and you know maybe somebody like Troy [TS]

00:35:09   anyway uh huh [TS]

00:35:11   he was so that's what I feel like needs [TS]

00:35:13   to happen is is it whether it whether [TS]

00:35:16   it's a crew in a ship fundamentally or [TS]

00:35:18   whether it's some characters who are in [TS]

00:35:20   this world that includes the spaceships [TS]

00:35:22   and the exploration all that I don't [TS]

00:35:25   know but I feel like it needs to be uh [TS]

00:35:28   it needs to be modern like preset it [TS]

00:35:31   needs to be these episodes need to all [TS]

00:35:33   tie together they need it needs to be [TS]

00:35:35   visible right it niazi it needs to play [TS]

00:35:38   all of the tricks of 2015 and so was [TS]

00:35:41   someone i say this i mean this again I'm [TS]

00:35:43   not trying to cross various franchises [TS]

00:35:46   here but what the BBC did in 2004 when [TS]

00:35:50   they hired Russell T Davis to bring back [TS]

00:35:53   doctor who was they found somebody who [TS]

00:35:55   is an established talented TV writer who [TS]

00:35:58   also happen to be a fan of Doctor Who [TS]

00:36:01   and said what would you do and what [TS]

00:36:04   Russell T Davis did was say I want to [TS]

00:36:06   make it like Buffy not i want to make it [TS]

00:36:08   like doctor who was in 1976 but I want [TS]

00:36:11   to make it like Buffy because that's a [TS]

00:36:12   modern ish show that has a sensibility [TS]

00:36:15   that is much more what we should be [TS]

00:36:17   doing now and I feel like that's what [TS]

00:36:19   Star Trek needs is they need somebody to [TS]

00:36:20   say i want this to be kinda like I don't [TS]

00:36:23   know [TS]

00:36:24   daredevil or or window side something [TS]

00:36:27   something like that or the flash or [TS]

00:36:28   whatever whatever that touchdown is it [TS]

00:36:30   needs to be like this kind of show not [TS]

00:36:32   not not necessarily in terms of the [TS]

00:36:34   content because it needs to be star trek [TS]

00:36:35   but in terms of the tone and how you [TS]

00:36:37   make a show and how you tell stories on [TS]

00:36:39   a streaming service in 2017 and [TS]

00:36:42   yeah it probably is gonna have to [TS]

00:36:45   involve a spaceship because its star [TS]

00:36:47   trek I think you're right but i would [TS]

00:36:49   love to see something about it that [TS]

00:36:51   makes it not the you know continuing [TS]

00:36:53   repeatable runoff missions of the [TS]

00:36:56   Starship XYZ and makes it something that [TS]

00:36:59   feels modern and I don't know how you do [TS]

00:37:00   that that this is wine [TS]

00:37:01   none of us are going to be hired to do [TS]

00:37:03   this but I i keep your guard up [TS]

00:37:05   nope sorry David the resumes in the mail [TS]

00:37:08   CBS but but i wanna i wanna i want to [TS]

00:37:11   admit that it's probably going to be a [TS]

00:37:13   show like without with a with a [TS]

00:37:15   spaceship and a captain and the crew but [TS]

00:37:18   I I want to come back to what brie said [TS]

00:37:19   because I think that's true to it needs [TS]

00:37:21   to feel different and modern in a way [TS]

00:37:24   that we don't all go oh great here we go [TS]

00:37:27   again there's going to be another [TS]

00:37:28   episode we're stuck in time in another [TS]

00:37:30   episode of the mysterious alien that [TS]

00:37:32   turns out to be in their dreams and you [TS]

00:37:33   know I and that's why I would also say [TS]

00:37:35   it needs to be somebody who's never done [TS]

00:37:36   star trek before in any form even [TS]

00:37:38   something like Ron more i just want to [TS]

00:37:40   see it i don't see anybody I want [TS]

00:37:41   somebody who grew up loving next [TS]

00:37:43   generation or deep space nine or Voyager [TS]

00:37:46   and I want them but is now stammers no [TS]

00:37:49   now I busted for what is now established [TS]

00:37:53   doing their own stuff was like you know [TS]

00:37:56   what I will take a crack at it [TS]

00:37:58   the only exception to that I would watch [TS]

00:37:59   many co do whatever he wants i don't [TS]

00:38:02   know i mean again I don't think I don't [TS]

00:38:03   think referencing the past as fun as [TS]

00:38:05   that was for old fans is going to be a [TS]

00:38:06   way to do it i think like whatever run [TS]

00:38:08   but Russell Davis did was doctor who was [TS]

00:38:10   there was a little bit there for the [TS]

00:38:11   fans'll yeah I get that but nobody [TS]

00:38:14   needed to know any of it and I think [TS]

00:38:16   that that is what Star Trek needs is is [TS]

00:38:19   no history required to do it right and I [TS]

00:38:22   mean that's the beauty of Peter David's [TS]

00:38:24   new frontier books is that it's a nice [TS]

00:38:27   blend of the continuing intrigue of deep [TS]

00:38:29   space nine while still having a ship [TS]

00:38:31   while still having all these other you [TS]

00:38:34   know it is a larger arc without being [TS]

00:38:37   overwhelming so free I want to talk to [TS]

00:38:40   you about how you put a how you put a [TS]

00:38:43   crew together because it's funny when we [TS]

00:38:46   talk about Star Trek even the modern [TS]

00:38:48   star trek by 2015 20 17 standards is not [TS]

00:38:52   as diverse [TS]

00:38:54   as we would like to see would you agree [TS]

00:38:56   with that yes i would create that I [TS]

00:38:58   think that's one of the one of the [TS]

00:38:59   interesting challenges here is that even [TS]

00:39:00   stuff that seemed groundbreaking at the [TS]

00:39:02   time and that's really even back to the [TS]

00:39:03   original series right is not is not true [TS]

00:39:06   today so i think one of the real [TS]

00:39:07   challenges is to die i think i think i [TS]

00:39:10   would even say they will fail if we look [TS]

00:39:12   at the crew and it turns out to be that [TS]

00:39:15   its first off mostly mostly human and [TS]

00:39:18   mostly men and then you will have the [TS]

00:39:20   occasional well it's mostly men but [TS]

00:39:22   they're there are a couple of women and [TS]

00:39:24   some of the men aren't white so we're [TS]

00:39:27   good right I feel like that this the art [TS]

00:39:31   even just put in a 10 years since [TS]

00:39:33   enterprise we are not you know that kind [TS]

00:39:36   of that kind of stuff is not going to [TS]

00:39:37   fly this this is needs to be a [TS]

00:39:39   reflection of 2017 not a reflection of [TS]

00:39:42   2,000 or 1965 why I feel like it's worth [TS]

00:39:45   saying you know I'm am somebody that [TS]

00:39:47   talks about diversity a lot in is so i [TS]

00:39:50   feel like i have enough credibility to [TS]

00:39:51   say is the mission is not to fill a [TS]

00:39:55   bunch of checkboxes right like the [TS]

00:39:57   missions to make really really really [TS]

00:40:00   excellent characters that have conflict [TS]

00:40:03   and play off of each other and build [TS]

00:40:04   each other up and you know have [TS]

00:40:06   chemistry in that way and sometimes [TS]

00:40:08   filled with this diversity conversation [TS]

00:40:11   it does feel like that it's selfishness [TS]

00:40:13   is the mission objective but I think you [TS]

00:40:16   can have both [TS]

00:40:17   I was no swinging the other day about [TS]

00:40:19   how you can look at someone actually [TS]

00:40:21   went through watched every episode of [TS]

00:40:23   Star Trek cover and looked at how they [TS]

00:40:26   did it the battle test and you know it [TS]

00:40:28   was very bad with TLS better with the [TS]

00:40:32   mtng ds9 it reached its zenith with [TS]

00:40:35   Voyager where astonishingly high [TS]

00:40:37   percentage of the episodes past that [TS]

00:40:39   then plummeted with enterprise and then [TS]

00:40:42   you know if you look at JJ Abrams movies [TS]

00:40:44   i would guess that there will continue [TS]

00:40:47   this trend downwards so you know it's [TS]

00:40:51   it's something we need to see and you [TS]

00:40:54   know that doesn't just mean women it [TS]

00:40:55   means you know I think we're having more [TS]

00:40:57   conversations about gay people than we [TS]

00:41:00   did one enterprise was on the air think [TS]

00:41:01   transgender people is something we [TS]

00:41:03   talked about a lot more so i just i want [TS]

00:41:06   to see I want to see more of that you [TS]

00:41:09   Felicia Day had a fantastic blog when [TS]

00:41:12   you know into darkness came out talking [TS]

00:41:14   about where the female captain's you [TS]

00:41:16   know like where are they they're they're [TS]

00:41:18   a bunch of Star Trek captain Singh a [TS]

00:41:20   table there are no women you know and I [TS]

00:41:22   I think you're right this is just not [TS]

00:41:24   going to feel authentic and frankly you [TS]

00:41:27   know women are very important part of [TS]

00:41:28   the geek audience today and we need to [TS]

00:41:30   be you know our money is just as good as [TS]

00:41:33   anyone elses so you include some the [TS]

00:41:35   star trek mission which is people [TS]

00:41:37   working together love all different [TS]

00:41:39   backgrounds like that's the whole point [TS]

00:41:40   but I mentioned this in a previous [TS]

00:41:42   episode but again to bring back to the [TS]

00:41:44   doctor who theme because i think that's [TS]

00:41:45   a model for taking an old franchise and [TS]

00:41:47   doing something new with it that that is [TS]

00:41:48   still true to the original is the old [TS]

00:41:51   doctor who audience when you went to [TS]

00:41:52   these conventions was a whole bunch of [TS]

00:41:54   of men who came to it in the seventies [TS]

00:41:58   or the sixties or maybe the eighties at [TS]

00:42:00   you know getting older every year and [TS]

00:42:02   then if you go to a doctor who [TS]

00:42:03   convention now it is young and it is it [TS]

00:42:06   is female predominantly and that is [TS]

00:42:09   because they gave it a shot in the arm [TS]

00:42:10   and they made it something that was more [TS]

00:42:12   expensive and spoke to a broader [TS]

00:42:14   audience and Star Trek has to do that or [TS]

00:42:16   it will just continue to wither and die [TS]

00:42:18   a it needs to not eat it eat its own [TS]

00:42:20   tail and that that that goes to a lot of [TS]

00:42:22   breaking a lot of maybe unwritten rules [TS]

00:42:26   about what Star Trek supposed to be I [TS]

00:42:28   mean it's like someone just asked the [TS]

00:42:29   newly-elected Prime Minister canada why [TS]

00:42:31   is your you're putting together your [TS]

00:42:33   cabinet why is your candidate gender [TS]

00:42:36   balanced and he said because it's 2015 [TS]

00:42:38   the you know love and i mean just took [TS]

00:42:42   that as you're talking just now I was [TS]

00:42:44   thinking the easiest way to fix the [TS]

00:42:46   problems with the original series is to [TS]

00:42:48   you know let the other characters talk [TS]

00:42:50   once in awhile it would be nice to know [TS]

00:42:53   more about her and Sulu and you know and [TS]

00:42:57   there's no reason why they couldn't have [TS]

00:42:58   done that modern TV is all about I mean [TS]

00:43:01   that's why mention characters earlier [TS]

00:43:02   modern TV this the things you cannot get [TS]

00:43:04   away with even even the characters that [TS]

00:43:06   we saw in the new we think of a new star [TS]

00:43:10   trek series like deep space nine and [TS]

00:43:11   next-generation those were little tiny [TS]

00:43:13   character bits scattered in standalone [TS]

00:43:16   episodes over the course of many years [TS]

00:43:18   right [TS]

00:43:19   but if you look at modern television [TS]

00:43:21   that's not gonna do it right like unique [TS]

00:43:23   characters who are where we care as much [TS]

00:43:26   about the characters as we do about the [TS]

00:43:28   plot because that's how TV works now is [TS]

00:43:30   is you spend time with these characters [TS]

00:43:32   and you really get attached to them and [TS]

00:43:34   you tell an ongoing story and it's the [TS]

00:43:36   story of the characters as much as it is [TS]

00:43:38   the story about what happens this week [TS]

00:43:39   and you can avoid that if you do that [TS]

00:43:41   again i think you risk just failing as a [TS]

00:43:44   show and I think Game of Thrones Game of [TS]

00:43:47   Thrones is proven that people like epic [TS]

00:43:49   kind of shows with hundreds of [TS]

00:43:52   characters and people can actually keep [TS]

00:43:54   track of them so we don't need to limit [TS]

00:43:56   ourselves to five characters who are on [TS]

00:43:59   the same ship and they always go off and [TS]

00:44:01   do these adventures they can split your [TS]

00:44:02   tackle and make it you know 14 ships [TS]

00:44:06   with different crew maybe that maybe too [TS]

00:44:08   many but but you make it you can have a [TS]

00:44:11   big playing space exactly just like [TS]

00:44:14   playing space we're talking about all of [TS]

00:44:16   the galaxy star trek is a huge body of a [TS]

00:44:20   stuff that they can draw from you can [TS]

00:44:22   have you know you can basically do game [TS]

00:44:25   of thrones only with Star Trek probably [TS]

00:44:27   less nudity and blood but maybe it is [TS]

00:44:30   streaming it's true not broadcast [TS]

00:44:32   streaming yeah they're selling it [TS]

00:44:34   internationally this is that's the other [TS]

00:44:35   part that i didn't mention when we talk [TS]

00:44:36   about the business angle of this is that [TS]

00:44:37   is that when he was interviewed about [TS]

00:44:39   this [TS]

00:44:40   the day after the announcement les [TS]

00:44:41   Moonves said look at my international [TS]

00:44:43   sales guy is beside himself because what [TS]

00:44:46   you know we're already making the deals [TS]

00:44:48   to sell the show into international [TS]

00:44:50   markets and it's going to pay it [TS]

00:44:52   basically it's going to pay for itself [TS]

00:44:54   before we even make it so for them to [TS]

00:44:58   put it on all access this is a loss [TS]

00:45:01   leader for them they're going to make [TS]

00:45:03   all their money internationally and [TS]

00:45:05   they'll get people to subscribe to this [TS]

00:45:07   as a result here because you can only [TS]

00:45:10   subscribe to it here right [TS]

00:45:12   you won't even be able to do that in [TS]

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00:47:16   wonder how many episodes they're gonna [TS]

00:47:18   make me that I think I have one of the [TS]

00:47:20   things that worries me about this I as i [TS]

00:47:22   love i love us being able to blue sky [TS]

00:47:25   this thing right because nothing's been [TS]

00:47:27   nothing exists like an input box it's [TS]

00:47:29   just it's Star Trek and it's coming in [TS]

00:47:31   2017 what's it about who's doing it [TS]

00:47:33   nobody knows who's in it nobody knows [TS]

00:47:35   right so we can do that i like that [TS]

00:47:38   what worries me about it is that it [TS]

00:47:40   isn't it is an empty box that that [TS]

00:47:43   nobody knows and and who was not going [TS]

00:47:47   to be and how are they gonna do it and [TS]

00:47:49   and it's a little scary that they don't [TS]

00:47:52   have a vision that they're looking for [TS]

00:47:55   somebody who has a vision because that's [TS]

00:47:58   not normally how you do something like [TS]

00:48:00   this i mean they've got star trek [TS]

00:48:01   backing it and that's good but it's not [TS]

00:48:04   you know it it is it is a scary a little [TS]

00:48:09   bit that the the I think the reason this [TS]

00:48:11   came out was because word was getting [TS]

00:48:14   around but they were interviewing [TS]

00:48:15   writers and asking them what their [TS]

00:48:17   vision was for Star Trek I don't know [TS]

00:48:21   they didn't ask me but that's okay [TS]

00:48:23   because i do also wonder about the [TS]

00:48:26   mechanics and I how many episodes like [TS]

00:48:27   you said i also wonder if they're going [TS]

00:48:29   to do what you know yahoo screen did and [TS]

00:48:33   premier community episode every week [TS]

00:48:36   are they going to do you know once a [TS]

00:48:37   week there's a new star trek episode or [TS]

00:48:39   they're just going to put everything the [TS]

00:48:40   netflix model it sees everything i'd [TS]

00:48:43   imagine anyone week Winchell yeah i [TS]

00:48:45   would i would think that they would just [TS]

00:48:46   stretch it out once a week they want to [TS]

00:48:48   revolutionize things but not that not [TS]

00:48:50   that much no it's a slow evolution [TS]

00:48:52   because they want you to come back at an [TS]

00:48:54   appointed time it may not be that [TS]

00:48:56   specific hour but it'll be that day like [TS]

00:48:59   all the new comics come out on wednesday [TS]

00:49:00   i feel like it is it's that sort of [TS]

00:49:03   thing where they've got something new I [TS]

00:49:04   but yeah I i think i think this is all a [TS]

00:49:07   question and if it does well there's [TS]

00:49:08   also the question of like does this [TS]

00:49:10   become what what are the creative [TS]

00:49:12   possibilities because we don't we don't [TS]

00:49:13   even know like could you do different [TS]

00:49:15   like what Marvel's doing with their TV [TS]

00:49:18   series on netflix is their kind of [TS]

00:49:21   interconnected but they're not the same [TS]

00:49:23   show every time so that's a possibility [TS]

00:49:25   or with a or would they rather just say [TS]

00:49:27   well you know if these 13 do well then [TS]

00:49:30   we'll order another 13 and then we'll [TS]

00:49:32   just order another 13 I don't know right [TS]

00:49:34   it might be a blend of both it might I [TS]

00:49:36   mean this is the place that gave us NCIS [TS]

00:49:39   New Orleans and NCIS LA and CSI miami [TS]

00:49:42   CSI new york mets and they all may know [TS]

00:49:45   and they all make money i do so and and [TS]

00:49:48   the thing that is depressing about that [TS]

00:49:50   is that they are essentially [TS]

00:49:51   interchangeable you know i would i would [TS]

00:49:54   hope that whatever they do with Star [TS]

00:49:56   Trek if they do decide to do more than [TS]

00:49:58   just one concept or one series is that [TS]

00:50:01   they would let them each have their own [TS]

00:50:02   personality like the Marvel stuff I i [TS]

00:50:05   would hope that they're smart enough to [TS]

00:50:07   do that based on the reaction to all the [TS]

00:50:09   Marvel and DC stuff but we'll see [TS]

00:50:13   and let's not a I love star trek i have [TS]

00:50:16   a structure podcast I just saying this [TS]

00:50:18   because I'm going to say something mean [TS]

00:50:20   about starting my but let's not pretend [TS]

00:50:23   that every episode of Star Trek is this [TS]

00:50:26   golden perfect masterpiece that exists [TS]

00:50:28   now there are no ho there are plenty of [TS]

00:50:31   episodes of Star Trek that could be any [TS]

00:50:34   series of Star Trek it doesn't matter [TS]

00:50:36   there wasn't i was watching an episode [TS]

00:50:37   of voyager where they beam down to a [TS]

00:50:39   planet and I had no idea if I was [TS]

00:50:41   watching the next generation or Voyager [TS]

00:50:44   it had a fountain and there was an [TS]

00:50:46   atrium it was exactly the same so well [TS]

00:50:51   if you're a real fan of Star Trek you be [TS]

00:50:53   able to tell from the lighting and just [TS]

00:50:55   know it instantly [TS]

00:50:57   well I think he'll I could tell it was [TS]

00:50:59   avoided for episode because of the four [TS]

00:51:01   characters but ok Harry Kim was it but [TS]

00:51:05   it seems really really not that starting [TS]

00:51:08   any Star Trek episode could be any [TS]

00:51:09   episode of NCIS too so they're really [TS]

00:51:10   just they're firing on all cylinders [TS]

00:51:12   there scott bakula yeah there you go [TS]

00:51:15   they should cross over right there [TS]

00:51:17   well it's it is true that CBS has has [TS]

00:51:20   that you know let's move is a smart [TS]

00:51:23   businessman and they see value in Star [TS]

00:51:27   Trek which I'm encouraged by and you [TS]

00:51:29   know I i think that i think that that's [TS]

00:51:31   all good i would love to see them have [TS]

00:51:35   the problem of saying how do we do more [TS]

00:51:37   of this might my reluctance about the [TS]

00:51:40   all-access thing is that it's sad [TS]

00:51:43   sounds to me like something that is [TS]

00:51:45   marketed at existing rabbits Star Trek [TS]

00:51:48   fans and not as establishing a new [TS]

00:51:50   audience and the fact that they're going [TS]

00:51:52   to get a wise yeah the fact that they're [TS]

00:51:53   going to broadcast the the perp premiere [TS]

00:51:55   on CBS at least is a hey first ones for [TS]

00:51:59   everybody at least that is like trying [TS]

00:52:01   to build an audience for it but when I [TS]

00:52:02   think about like those shows on the CW [TS]

00:52:05   that have young fans right young young [TS]

00:52:08   fans [TS]

00:52:09   yeah yeah lots of young people are [TS]

00:52:11   watching on streaming now but i'm not [TS]

00:52:13   sure lots of young people would have [TS]

00:52:15   found arrow or the flash or I zombie or [TS]

00:52:19   something like that or doctor who [TS]

00:52:21   if the only way to get it was on a on a [TS]

00:52:24   pay streaming service especially one [TS]

00:52:26   that their parents didn't already have [TS]

00:52:27   because it's netflix right or because [TS]

00:52:30   they've got amazon prime so that [TS]

00:52:31   concerns me but the ratings for flash [TS]

00:52:34   and arrow are not very good right people [TS]

00:52:38   are not watching on the CW CW standards [TS]

00:52:41   they are the and in fact the flash is [TS]

00:52:42   actually good enough to be on like it [TS]

00:52:44   makes room pretty close to like main [TS]

00:52:47   broadcast network ratings but it is it's [TS]

00:52:49   a scale thing it's totally a scale [TS]

00:52:51   things BTW numbers never going to have [TS]

00:52:52   CBS or NBC I but that's it that's [TS]

00:52:54   irrelevant what I'm what I'm saying is [TS]

00:52:56   that it's in a place where it has it has [TS]

00:52:58   built a fandom and that is something [TS]

00:53:00   that I'm not sure [TS]

00:53:01   CBS all access can provide but that's [TS]

00:53:04   why they're announcing it over a year in [TS]

00:53:06   advance [TS]

00:53:06   I mean my kids did not want to watch [TS]

00:53:08   Supergirl when it was on the TV in the [TS]

00:53:11   room monday night at eight and then the [TS]

00:53:13   next day when I was like well how was it [TS]

00:53:15   was pretty good and then they go and [TS]

00:53:16   find it on the ipad and and the apple TV [TS]

00:53:19   and I think that's where it's gonna kick [TS]

00:53:23   in is where you have parents who have [TS]

00:53:25   already gotten it and already [TS]

00:53:26   subscribing because they you know how [TS]

00:53:30   long have we been saying i want CBS [TS]

00:53:32   shows on hulu well alright this is not [TS]

00:53:34   on hulu but les Moonves but you know i'm [TS]

00:53:39   like i said i'm getting it for Colbert [TS]

00:53:41   everything else is gravy and I don't [TS]

00:53:43   really watch anything else but Supergirl [TS]

00:53:44   right now I think Jason's point is is [TS]

00:53:47   something too [TS]

00:53:48   think about though because i don't want [TS]

00:53:50   and what I don't want it to be is some [TS]

00:53:53   kind of perfectly craft nostalgia bomb [TS]

00:53:56   that appeals to existing Star Trek fans [TS]

00:54:00   because we're already fans so that [TS]

00:54:02   doesn't really help i want more people [TS]

00:54:04   to like Star Trek so that they will [TS]

00:54:06   continue to make more star trek things [TS]

00:54:08   oh i know i'm not i'm not saying that's [TS]

00:54:09   who's going to subscribe i'm saying it's [TS]

00:54:11   the people who are already subscribing [TS]

00:54:13   because CBS great it's not necessarily [TS]

00:54:16   not sure how many of those people are I [TS]

00:54:18   don't think that's a big audience [TS]

00:54:20   no I don't know so I'm gonna do I'm [TS]

00:54:23   gonna do a little rapid-fire around here [TS]

00:54:25   because it's me [TS]

00:54:27   haha no shall we draft something just [TS]

00:54:30   interested it's like no I wish we could [TS]

00:54:33   dress them right now again but I don't [TS]

00:54:34   know your flight I don't know what that [TS]

00:54:35   would be kind of take it identical [TS]

00:54:38   everybody's take on some possible things [TS]

00:54:40   that they could do and whether you would [TS]

00:54:41   like them to do it or not so my first [TS]

00:54:42   question is JJ Abrams universe original [TS]

00:54:48   Star Trek universe or entirely new [TS]

00:54:50   variation on Star Trek universe brie [TS]

00:54:54   what do you think i'm good with whatever [TS]

00:54:56   i think im gonna be fun with that JJ [TS]

00:54:58   Abrams universe because it's kind of [TS]

00:55:00   giving them permission to reinvent [TS]

00:55:03   everything that's gone but uh before [TS]

00:55:05   battlefield I think either way could be [TS]

00:55:07   done well Scott what do you think I [TS]

00:55:09   think JJ Abrams universe because it just [TS]

00:55:13   like reset it gives them the freedom to [TS]

00:55:15   just reinvent stuff so you know there [TS]

00:55:17   are no dilithium crystals probably what [TS]

00:55:20   that's crazy [TS]

00:55:21   everything is powered by cookies or [TS]

00:55:22   something I don't know once again I'm [TS]

00:55:25   not going to call my dealer and a [TS]

00:55:29   question do it captain the cookies of [TS]

00:55:30   crumbled something like that David what [TS]

00:55:33   do you think i'm also going to go with [TS]

00:55:35   JJ universe because again it lets them [TS]

00:55:38   reinvent everything you know the idw [TS]

00:55:40   comics are doing that really well and [TS]

00:55:43   and this becomes their agents of shield [TS]

00:55:45   this promotes the way I hope not listen [TS]

00:55:47   for well no except you know good now i [TS]

00:55:50   don't know if the connection is about [TS]

00:55:51   strong though between the that that's [TS]

00:55:53   the thing is that it's it's just the [TS]

00:55:54   name of Ages just the name agents of [TS]

00:55:56   shield is like that now too because the [TS]

00:55:57   Marvel TV and movies are not done by the [TS]

00:55:59   same group of people [TS]

00:56:01   and what do you think you know I was [TS]

00:56:02   leaning towards the the original [TS]

00:56:04   universe but I think you guys have also [TS]

00:56:06   won me over to either the JJ Abrams [TS]

00:56:08   universe or just an entirely new [TS]

00:56:10   universe because of that ability to go [TS]

00:56:12   anywhere do anything not be burdened by [TS]

00:56:15   the years and years and years of baggage [TS]

00:56:17   left in there so i think the JJ Abrams [TS]

00:56:19   universe could be interesting but I also [TS]

00:56:20   think would be interested like if they [TS]

00:56:23   like sort of did like a next-generation [TS]

00:56:24   from TOS thing where it's like we're [TS]

00:56:26   gonna set out like a couple hundred [TS]

00:56:27   years laughter the JJ Abrams universe [TS]

00:56:29   and still have lots of room in there for [TS]

00:56:31   people to do other things but i also [TS]

00:56:33   think an entirely new universe gives you [TS]

00:56:35   a ton of opportunities there's enough [TS]

00:56:38   established things that you can start a [TS]

00:56:39   point to and be like a pit star trek you [TS]

00:56:41   know don't forget it star trek but we [TS]

00:56:42   can also still different distance [TS]

00:56:43   herself and do all these new things but [TS]

00:56:45   it would be it would be quite a few a [TS]

00:56:47   middle finger extended to Paramount if [TS]

00:56:50   CBS launch the star trek series with [TS]

00:56:52   Kirk and Spock and McCoy with different [TS]

00:56:54   actors like that we got our own we got [TS]

00:56:56   our own character i think that sinks [TS]

00:56:57   everybody but i will say i bet part of [TS]

00:57:02   the whole rights tangle was resolved by [TS]

00:57:04   saying we'll do it in the same universe [TS]

00:57:06   with different characters and we won't [TS]

00:57:08   touch your movies and you won't touch [TS]

00:57:09   her show [TS]

00:57:10   yeah that could be I do i do I even [TS]

00:57:13   doing the same Universal what well I i [TS]

00:57:15   think that that's why that was one of [TS]

00:57:17   the options although I you know I i [TS]

00:57:19   agree i think for the comic-book reasons [TS]

00:57:20   of tangled continuity and you end up [TS]

00:57:22   having to fulfill you know this litany [TS]

00:57:25   of all these past shows that you don't [TS]

00:57:27   go and say we're gonna set it post and [TS]

00:57:29   repair start post Voyager in the old [TS]

00:57:32   original TV universe even though that [TS]

00:57:35   might be fun because you know you you [TS]

00:57:38   can't you're not allowed to go back [TS]

00:57:39   until the same stories over again like [TS]

00:57:41   you know star trek into darkness but ah [TS]

00:57:44   ay you know at the same time I think [TS]

00:57:47   it's just shackled by the continuity of [TS]

00:57:49   it so you better be better off picking [TS]

00:57:50   up the sound effects and the art [TS]

00:57:53   direction and things like that that [TS]

00:57:55   without that feature film spent lots of [TS]

00:57:57   money doing and you can just sort of [TS]

00:57:58   lift it as you say you know what you do [TS]

00:58:00   here is you take a page from what the CW [TS]

00:58:03   has done with arrow and flash those are [TS]

00:58:05   both things connected to a gigantic [TS]

00:58:08   model you know like all this continuity [TS]

00:58:10   from years and years but they're like [TS]

00:58:11   they're not afraid to go and do totally [TS]

00:58:13   different things and [TS]

00:58:14   change characters and change things when [TS]

00:58:16   they want to but they also don't mind [TS]

00:58:18   putting in you know a tip of the hat to [TS]

00:58:20   continuity that came before and even [TS]

00:58:22   just you know not beholden to the [TS]

00:58:25   continuity but referencing it when they [TS]

00:58:27   feel like it and I think that's been [TS]

00:58:29   wildly successful in that case so you [TS]

00:58:32   know I I don't mind if they start off on [TS]

00:58:33   a new star trek universe as if they're [TS]

00:58:35   gonna sort of be able to have that [TS]

00:58:37   essentially have their cake and eat it [TS]

00:58:39   too in that way but and thanks to Spock [TS]

00:58:41   prime and everything they set up in the [TS]

00:58:42   first of the new movies you can have [TS]

00:58:45   that as another alternate universe to [TS]

00:58:47   visit once in awhile just like you had [TS]

00:58:48   the mirror universe so my next question [TS]

00:58:51   for everybody is going to be would you [TS]

00:58:54   rather see a crew on a spaceship a crew [TS]

00:58:57   on a space station or something [TS]

00:58:59   completely different [TS]

00:59:02   Scott I would like to see a space [TS]

00:59:05   station on a spaceship which is [TS]

00:59:07   agreement with no crew and even better [TS]

00:59:10   roads are not really what do you think [TS]

00:59:12   well I think I think the some things we [TS]

00:59:15   really key Jason is what you're talking [TS]

00:59:18   about earlier that kind of been jables [TS]

00:59:20   state with it and i think there's going [TS]

00:59:23   to be like a kind of complex tapestry is [TS]

00:59:26   going on here so i think i want to see a [TS]

00:59:29   spaceship because I think that's kind of [TS]

00:59:32   the thrill the new star trek right you [TS]

00:59:34   get to like see the new enterprise where [TS]

00:59:37   the new ship is but I think like it's [TS]

00:59:39   clearly for to really work as a bendable [TS]

00:59:42   show you have to see them like [TS]

00:59:44   interacting with the Federation more [TS]

00:59:46   don't think it's going to be going to a [TS]

00:59:48   new planet every week sorry I I think [TS]

00:59:51   it's kind of going to be both [TS]

00:59:52   cool damn I i was a i really liked [TS]

00:59:55   i think scott using just the sort of the [TS]

00:59:56   game of thrones you know parallels to [TS]

00:59:59   the big cat [TS]

00:59:59   the big cat [TS]

01:00:00   SII was kind of doing something like [TS]

01:00:01   that like maybe there's a crew off on a [TS]

01:00:03   spaceship and then there's a crew back [TS]

01:00:04   home on a space station maybe there's [TS]

01:00:06   some interplay between those two maybe [TS]

01:00:08   there's multiple spaceships i don't know [TS]

01:00:09   but i like the idea of something that's [TS]

01:00:10   got really just big scope in your just [TS]

01:00:13   reinventing deep space nine again [TS]

01:00:15   yes wait hold on but there's a space [TS]

01:00:17   station meets it should be Cardassian [TS]

01:00:19   can michael dorn be on the show [TS]

01:00:21   no he shouldn't have me on every show no [TS]

01:00:24   David what about you something different [TS]

01:00:27   or a ship or a space station [TS]

01:00:29   I mean complex tapestry I mean that's [TS]

01:00:33   exactly it [TS]

01:00:35   you know it has everything if I had to [TS]

01:00:36   pick between spaceship and space station [TS]

01:00:38   it will be a ship every time as much as [TS]

01:00:41   I love deep space nine I I you know I [TS]

01:00:43   remember in our in our TV character [TS]

01:00:46   draft i did i did crafty workplace [TS]

01:00:48   sitcom that set on a star heat spaceship [TS]

01:00:52   where they're hosting a late night [TS]

01:00:53   no yeah mhm sure and it's like no it was [TS]

01:00:57   like The West Wing really the west wing [TS]

01:00:59   and in space but i agree i feel like you [TS]

01:01:01   need him you need a mission that that [TS]

01:01:03   unravels that you know and last an [TS]

01:01:05   entire season there's going to be an [TS]

01:01:07   ongoing story line not not planted at [TS]

01:01:09   the week I think that's the way modern [TS]

01:01:11   TV is told and and yeah the characters [TS]

01:01:14   are going to be important so they may [TS]

01:01:15   start on the ship [TS]

01:01:16   let me get started on Space Station get [TS]

01:01:17   assigned to a ship and then have to go [TS]

01:01:19   to a planet and and and the story [TS]

01:01:21   continues but making assigned to a [TS]

01:01:22   planet have to go to share but I know [TS]

01:01:24   it's and the ship is on a planet which [TS]

01:01:26   is on a space station it's a very maybe [TS]

01:01:28   is urgent and maybe you follow one [TS]

01:01:29   storyline at Starfleet Academy and then [TS]

01:01:31   you follow that character as he goes and [TS]

01:01:33   interact so he goes and maybe you are [TS]

01:01:35   that carry out my god that's our virtual [TS]

01:01:38   reality i think i think though that I [TS]

01:01:40   think though that that BRE is right that [TS]

01:01:42   it is Star Trek and at its core there's [TS]

01:01:44   gonna need to be a ship that's like the [TS]

01:01:47   ship of the show and that is going to be [TS]

01:01:50   uh an important part of it even if it is [TS]

01:01:52   not we have seven characters and they [TS]

01:01:54   work on a ship and every week they go to [TS]

01:01:57   a new planet because although that is a [TS]

01:01:59   star trek trope it is also it it doesn't [TS]

01:02:01   feel modern and I think we can all agree [TS]

01:02:04   on hallowed ex-l have that all the time [TS]

01:02:09   so this time for sure they've got all [TS]

01:02:11   the wrinkles workout that's right it's [TS]

01:02:13   ninety-five percent holiday [TS]

01:02:14   actually I didn't just at the end at the [TS]

01:02:16   end of the season Riker walks in and [TS]

01:02:18   goes in program says that wouldn't work [TS]

01:02:23   yeah yeah just for a perfect freedom you [TS]

01:02:26   start a new one every striker and les [TS]

01:02:28   Moonves walk away and he'll just he'll [TS]

01:02:34   just start a mentalist emphasis is are [TS]

01:02:36   you happy now nerds County counts as [TS]

01:02:40   money from the CBS all access and then [TS]

01:02:43   shut down the computer he and I'm [TS]

01:02:45   excited [TS]

01:02:46   it is exciting isn't it to new starter I [TS]

01:02:48   mean I remember that moment in what it [TS]

01:02:49   whatever 2003-2004 would be the BBC said [TS]

01:02:52   we don't know what's happening but [TS]

01:02:53   doctor who will be back in 2005 and [TS]

01:02:55   we're working it out and that was still [TS]

01:02:57   really damn exciting because we've [TS]

01:02:58   talked about it on this podcast a bunch [TS]

01:03:00   like why aren't they doing more Star [TS]

01:03:02   Trek Star Trek is a TV show it deserves [TS]

01:03:04   to be a TV show and it is exciting that [TS]

01:03:07   it's not just like rumor but monday [TS]

01:03:10   morning it was like rumor has it they're [TS]

01:03:12   working on a Star Trek development [TS]

01:03:13   something or other and then press [TS]

01:03:15   release comes out and it's like nope [TS]

01:03:16   January 2017 whole new star trek series [TS]

01:03:19   premieres done [TS]

01:03:20   it's like wow that is you know and it [TS]

01:03:22   and it is the parallel to you know just [TS]

01:03:24   to either with this with Star Wars which [TS]

01:03:26   which David brought up before is being [TS]

01:03:28   sued to the movies book for all you know [TS]

01:03:30   what post prequels we had clone wars and [TS]

01:03:32   we had you know a little bit of rebels [TS]

01:03:34   later on they're both good but i think [TS]

01:03:36   you know that doesn't compare to the [TS]

01:03:38   announcement that they were going to [TS]

01:03:39   start making new Star Wars movies right [TS]

01:03:40   because once again it is sort of [TS]

01:03:42   marrying the form factor and the actual [TS]

01:03:44   storytelling into the shape that it [TS]

01:03:47   should be and so I think it is really [TS]

01:03:48   exciting that that Star Trek is coming [TS]

01:03:50   back to TV because it does seem like the [TS]

01:03:52   the medium in which that story was meant [TS]

01:03:55   to be told i guess i would say this i [TS]

01:03:57   would say this and you know i say this [TS]

01:03:59   with all respect to longtime fans but [TS]

01:04:01   you know it seems to me that when [TS]

01:04:04   Voyager came out fans scream from the [TS]

01:04:06   hills and they I hear it all the time [TS]

01:04:09   they don't like that show and then [TS]

01:04:11   enterprise came down what you expect [TS]

01:04:12   from Hill people right it's never been [TS]

01:04:16   married [TS]

01:04:16   they've picked it apart and you know [TS]

01:04:19   that after that it's like it's like what [TS]

01:04:21   are you happy now we have to have [TS]

01:04:22   star trek on TV in a decade and I really [TS]

01:04:25   I i think a danger of this show coming [TS]

01:04:28   out is invariably the formula is going [TS]

01:04:30   to have to be tweet yourself [TS]

01:04:32   it cannot be just an echo of the past [TS]

01:04:35   and I says with all respect I think fan [TS]

01:04:38   rage if they do what they need to do to [TS]

01:04:41   make this appeal to a younger audience i [TS]

01:04:43   think that is going to be a real risk [TS]

01:04:46   this show so I would ask all the [TS]

01:04:48   incomparable listeners which I i hope [TS]

01:04:50   you were nice reasonable open-minded [TS]

01:04:53   people only and I i hope you'll give [TS]

01:04:56   this a fair chance you know because it's [TS]

01:04:58   it's not it's not really about our [TS]

01:05:01   individual tastes as much as it's about [TS]

01:05:03   the longevity of the franchise because i [TS]

01:05:06   want you know I want teenagers a hundred [TS]

01:05:09   years from now to be watching Star Trek [TS]

01:05:11   and you know like that it's gonna have [TS]

01:05:13   to change for that to happen but this is [TS]

01:05:15   I've been in the died due to go back to [TS]

01:05:17   Doctor Who for a second this is the [TS]

01:05:19   thing that happened is there were some [TS]

01:05:20   really cranky people to this day like [TS]

01:05:23   you know I don't watch the new series [TS]

01:05:24   it's not proper doctor who and all that [TS]

01:05:26   but the fact is most of the doctor who [TS]

01:05:28   fans of the classic series like that's [TS]

01:05:30   back and it's modern it's actually [TS]

01:05:31   better because it's modern and and you [TS]

01:05:34   there's some there's some drama and [TS]

01:05:36   there's some people who are unhappy [TS]

01:05:37   about it but in the end I think the most [TS]

01:05:40   people would agree that that is a better [TS]

01:05:43   that it be active and vibrant and [TS]

01:05:45   different than that it just be dead and [TS]

01:05:48   the people who would rather it be dead [TS]

01:05:49   and never change [TS]

01:05:51   you can't you can't win with those [TS]

01:05:52   people so you just leave them in the [TS]

01:05:54   hills where they're shouting if they do [TS]

01:05:56   the right if they do it like they did [TS]

01:05:58   doctor who they made enough changes to [TS]

01:06:00   make it appeal to a mainstream audience [TS]

01:06:03   so they could alienate the hardcore [TS]

01:06:06   doctor who fans because it doesn't [TS]

01:06:07   matter because enough people like it [TS]

01:06:09   the problem with enterprise for example [TS]

01:06:11   is that face it wasn't good enough to [TS]

01:06:13   appeal to a mainstream audience and they [TS]

01:06:15   made the Star Trek fans angry alienated [TS]

01:06:18   his lab he modern storytelling it for [TS]

01:06:22   modern audiences and you gotta do it [TS]

01:06:23   that the fact is bringing back doctor [TS]

01:06:25   who meant let's make it more like Buffy [TS]

01:06:27   not let's make it like old doctor who [TS]

01:06:29   and that that was the right decision [TS]

01:06:30   even though it seems weird and scary and [TS]

01:06:33   a 20-17 audience is not [TS]

01:06:36   going to want to watch a show from 1990 [TS]

01:06:38   I can't wait until the 2050 audience [TS]

01:06:41   like that showed that kind of show is [TS]

01:06:42   just gonna be in comprehensive Leumi [TS]

01:06:44   it's gonna be like so frenetic this is [TS]

01:06:46   like explosions every 30 seconds with [TS]

01:06:49   being an old person is dan just ask the [TS]

01:06:51   people who watch CBS oh we're reminded [TS]

01:06:57   Kenjon Jasper tonight everybody bad les [TS]

01:07:01   Moonves rich successful business is to [TS]

01:07:04   step but giant piles of money les [TS]

01:07:06   Moonves Steve indeed it is but fun new [TS]

01:07:09   star trek in the world soon i'm very [TS]

01:07:11   excited about that just that it's just [TS]

01:07:13   like a like four months after the 50th [TS]

01:07:15   anniversary of the premiere of Star Trek [TS]

01:07:16   is when this thing's gonna come on [TS]

01:07:18   so that's a pretty cool i like to thank [TS]

01:07:20   my panel of Star Trek experts will say [TS]

01:07:23   for joining me to talk about this [TS]

01:07:26   Scott Mykelti thank you as always thank [TS]

01:07:30   you Jason [TS]

01:07:31   live long and prosper may the force be [TS]

01:07:33   with you there we go haha gotta live [TS]

01:07:36   never loved you more than I love you in [TS]

01:07:37   this moment did more in Jedi mind-trick [TS]

01:07:42   something and Vulcan archery team beefy [TS]

01:07:46   me down captain David lower thank you [TS]

01:07:50   thank you I i just wanna say less alex [TS]

01:07:53   call me i'm i'm free i just want to know [TS]

01:07:56   he'll work for free is what do you mean [TS]

01:07:58   why haven't we seen Luke where is luton [TS]

01:08:01   interesting and Brianna Wu as always a [TS]

01:08:04   pleasure to talk star trek with you [TS]

01:08:05   thank you thank you give me CBS give me [TS]

01:08:08   a woman captain on the shell and i will [TS]

01:08:10   sing your prices from the hills like [TS]

01:08:12   make it happen well let me tell you [TS]

01:08:14   you'll be token like well its got two [TS]

01:08:17   women characters in it is not gonna fly [TS]

01:08:19   anymore haha no it's not gonna fly [TS]

01:08:22   not my twitter we might even get to talk [TS]

01:08:24   to each other that imagine that imagine [TS]

01:08:28   that all right and to everybody out [TS]

01:08:29   there thank you stay tuned for our [TS]

01:08:31   wall-to-wall coverage of new Star Trek [TS]

01:08:33   started in 2017 but until then probably [TS]

01:08:37   wall-to-wall coverage of Star Wars is [TS]

01:08:39   just around the corner so many stars so [TS]

01:08:42   many wars so many tracks i have been [TS]

01:08:45   your host Jason cell we will see you [TS]

01:08:47   next week [TS]

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