The Incomparable

268: Let`s Hear It for Botanists


00:00:02   the incomparable number 260 a October [TS]

00:00:11   welcome back everybody to the [TS]

00:00:12   incomparable we are here talking about [TS]

00:00:15   this is one of our reps pc people write [TS]

00:00:17   to me and they say are you going to talk [TS]

00:00:18   about this movie that just was in [TS]

00:00:19   theaters and I say no probably not be [TS]

00:00:21   very rarely talk about a movie that's [TS]

00:00:23   just in theaters because it's hard to [TS]

00:00:24   get everybody together and have [TS]

00:00:26   everybody have seen it and still have a [TS]

00:00:27   conversation while it's still remotely [TS]

00:00:29   in the the sphere of movies that people [TS]

00:00:32   are actually talking about but we did it [TS]

00:00:34   this time [TS]

00:00:34   so this is an aberration this isn't a [TS]

00:00:36   regular feature but we did just hot [TS]

00:00:38   let's go all go see the Martian not [TS]

00:00:40   together we saw its up with Avila [TS]

00:00:43   separately but now we have come together [TS]

00:00:45   to talk about the Martian the major [TS]

00:00:48   motion picture starring matt damon and [TS]

00:00:50   many many many many many other people [TS]

00:00:52   let me introduce my fine panel of five [TS]

00:00:55   guests that I brought here all of whom [TS]

00:00:58   have seen the Martian i really hope if [TS]

00:01:00   somebody says they haven't seen the [TS]

00:01:01   Martians i'm going to be very [TS]

00:01:02   disappointed [TS]

00:01:02   why are you so join me and Enoch oh hi [TS]

00:01:05   Andy [TS]

00:01:06   well basically were all thank you thank [TS]

00:01:10   you [TS]

00:01:11   well done chip sudderth is here [TS]

00:01:14   hi chip Mars i can't believe i'm back on [TS]

00:01:17   mars three times before this place [TS]

00:01:19   almost killed me [TS]

00:01:20   I swore I'd never give it another chance [TS]

00:01:22   to finish the job [TS]

00:01:23   humans got no business being here no [TS]

00:01:26   business at all very nice those Babylon [TS]

00:01:29   5 reference by the way everybody and so [TS]

00:01:32   that now i'll introduce a chip someone [TS]

00:01:34   shoots co-host from the bodyguard to [TS]

00:01:36   Babylon 5 podcast it's erica and sign [TS]

00:01:38   hello hello I did watch the Martian [TS]

00:01:40   although it's been almost a week so [TS]

00:01:43   we'll see how much a driver [TS]

00:01:45   alright well we'll test you Lisa [TS]

00:01:47   Schmeisser is also with us Lisa reading [TS]

00:01:49   science that we weave we very well may [TS]

00:01:53   and joining us for the first time on the [TS]

00:01:55   uncomfortable it's my co-host from the [TS]

00:01:57   liftoff podcast a fortnightly podcast [TS]

00:01:59   about space things and one of the [TS]

00:02:00   cofounders of real afm we did a whole [TS]

00:02:03   episode about the Martian but you know [TS]

00:02:04   what it wasn't enough so we're going to [TS]

00:02:05   talk about it some more [TS]

00:02:06   it's stephen Hackett hello hey I've been [TS]

00:02:08   eating potatoes for week-and-a-half [TS]

00:02:10   preparation and it's have you run out of [TS]

00:02:13   ketchup is the question I did have you [TS]

00:02:15   been have you rest of vicodin idea [TS]

00:02:18   really ready to podcast now so now that [TS]

00:02:21   you've got the vicodin vicodin potatoes [TS]

00:02:22   ease the pain right and carbs and [TS]

00:02:25   narcotics before we get started I want [TS]

00:02:27   to ask everybody uh here quick poll I [TS]

00:02:30   who has read the book the Martian dude i [TS]

00:02:35   was on the book podcast some people [TS]

00:02:37   don't remember incomparable continuity [TS]

00:02:39   least yeah they should be heard the [TS]

00:02:42   podcast that we did and then read it and [TS]

00:02:44   extolled the Firdos on any other podcast [TS]

00:02:46   didn't you [TS]

00:02:46   oh yeah my ex yeah exactly extolled the [TS]

00:02:49   podcast i did not i did read the book [TS]

00:02:51   completely cold i did not listen to any [TS]

00:02:53   podcasts ok [TS]

00:02:55   no spoilers all I knew was truly all I [TS]

00:02:57   know about the Martian was the cover had [TS]

00:02:59   a picture of an astronaut in some sort [TS]

00:03:01   of an orange background knew nothing [TS]

00:03:03   else about where we went to the movie my [TS]

00:03:05   son we asked him what he thought the [TS]

00:03:07   movie was about he said I assume it's [TS]

00:03:09   about an alien [TS]

00:03:10   let's just see what happens then chip [TS]

00:03:14   did you read the book I did to the book [TS]

00:03:16   what I did harry potter and the [TS]

00:03:17   sorcerer's stone which is desperately [TS]

00:03:20   race to finish it before the movie came [TS]

00:03:22   out okay and did you succeed I did [TS]

00:03:25   succeed it was a ripper war and read all [TS]

00:03:27   right Eric I did you read the book [TS]

00:03:29   no but I did listen to the incomparable [TS]

00:03:31   you cannot talk about haha i like that's [TS]

00:03:35   like crammed for it [TS]

00:03:36   I've had the book on my kindle for a [TS]

00:03:38   while now I just having actually put it [TS]

00:03:40   off because I decided I wanted to wait [TS]

00:03:42   to see the movie first and read the book [TS]

00:03:44   after interesting [TS]

00:03:45   ok that's not the way to go and Stephen [TS]

00:03:47   you read the book I did all in a in one [TS]

00:03:50   sitting actually I couldn't stop [TS]

00:03:52   alright so for people who are wondering [TS]

00:03:54   we did talk about the book as we've [TS]

00:03:56   mentioned it was episode 187 called man [TS]

00:03:58   vs mars we did that back in march of [TS]

00:04:00   2014 with a while ago now we were oh we [TS]

00:04:03   were ahead of the curve on the Martian [TS]

00:04:05   but we weren't behind the curve either [TS]

00:04:06   so anyway I think we all enjoyed it and [TS]

00:04:09   would recommend it it's a fun read but [TS]

00:04:12   then then came that the tough challenge [TS]

00:04:15   of adapting that book into a major [TS]

00:04:19   motion picture which is something that [TS]

00:04:21   that Ridley Scott director and strew [TS]

00:04:24   Goddard right whoohoo was a buffy the [TS]

00:04:26   vampire slayer writer for a while and [TS]

00:04:28   did cloverfield I think I think cabin in [TS]

00:04:31   the woods [TS]

00:04:31   cabin in the woods well he's a joss [TS]

00:04:32   whedon collaborator there are two Drew's [TS]

00:04:35   who worked on Buffy and can always never [TS]

00:04:38   keep track of them but uh anyway they [TS]

00:04:40   had to adapt this from anywheres a novel [TS]

00:04:43   and and so they did and this is the [TS]

00:04:46   result [TS]

00:04:47   I don't want to turn this into a [TS]

00:04:48   complete like book vs movie podcast [TS]

00:04:50   because that's that's a bit much older [TS]

00:04:52   we can go into that a little bit of [TS]

00:04:54   Stephen and I spent I feel like we we [TS]

00:04:56   did get caught in that on unlived off [TS]

00:04:58   episode we did we did a lot of good [TS]

00:05:00   except to movie comparison stuff but I [TS]

00:05:03   you know I so wow I've struggled with [TS]

00:05:08   figuring out where to start the [TS]

00:05:10   conversation about this story and i'm [TS]

00:05:14   gonna start it with Matt Damon because [TS]

00:05:17   he is on screen by himself for a very [TS]

00:05:20   long time because that's the whole point [TS]

00:05:22   of this now we do see people back on [TS]

00:05:24   earth who are trying to save him and we [TS]

00:05:26   do see him strength you know his his [TS]

00:05:29   compatriots in space who have left [TS]

00:05:33   behind but most of the time spent with [TS]

00:05:36   matt damon i guess i should say up front [TS]

00:05:37   here too [TS]

00:05:38   we're going to talk about what's in the [TS]

00:05:39   movie so if you don't wanna know about [TS]

00:05:43   what happens in the movie [TS]

00:05:44   don't listen to this podcast until [TS]

00:05:45   you've seen it and that means I'm firing [TS]

00:05:47   off the Martian spoiler horn right now [TS]

00:05:49   [Music] [TS]

00:05:53   is the Martian spoiler hard different [TS]

00:05:55   than the usual spoiler the marshal [TS]

00:05:57   speller horn has to stay inside [TS]

00:05:58   otherwise it will die [TS]

00:06:00   there's like a 30-minute delay between [TS]

00:06:02   when the spoiler horn is sounded and one [TS]

00:06:04   actually reaches our express it is an [TS]

00:06:06   inner atmosphere is accessible strength [TS]

00:06:08   it takes 30 minutes for the horn to [TS]

00:06:10   reach you all day the earth stands by [TS]

00:06:14   waiting and hoping so Matt Damon who as [TS]

00:06:16   famously we had to be found in saving [TS]

00:06:18   private ryan and was lost interstellar [TS]

00:06:21   his lost again he's a this one the way [TS]

00:06:23   this movie starts at the way gets lost [TS]

00:06:25   maybe maybe that's that's where he's [TS]

00:06:27   coming out but there's a great you know [TS]

00:06:29   talk to me about their about any keep [TS]

00:06:31   how much money do you [TS]

00:06:32   does the US government spent trying to [TS]

00:06:33   find Matt Damon yeah very dramatic [TS]

00:06:36   opening scene as Stephen and I talked [TS]

00:06:38   about on liftoff you know the Martian [TS]

00:06:40   atmosphere is very thin a store of a [TS]

00:06:42   high wind on Mars would probably not [TS]

00:06:44   blow a piece of paper around but very [TS]

00:06:48   dramatic beginning to the film where we [TS]

00:06:51   see that Matt Damon gets left behind and [TS]

00:06:53   we sort of it's just enough that they're [TS]

00:06:55   kind of absolved we don't hate the crew [TS]

00:06:56   for leaving behind but we also kind of [TS]

00:06:58   understand Jessica Chastain's guilt at [TS]

00:07:02   feeling like she could have done more [TS]

00:07:03   because she's the captain to to save him [TS]

00:07:06   once that especially once they find out [TS]

00:07:08   that that he actually wasn't dead after [TS]

00:07:10   all he was he was alive and then you [TS]

00:07:13   know he wakes up and uh Matt Damon is [TS]

00:07:16   alone for a long time wandering around [TS]

00:07:18   indoors and outdoors on on Mars so [TS]

00:07:21   starting with Matt Damon what people [TS]

00:07:23   what people think of the of the solo man [TS]

00:07:26   versus nature aspect of this film [TS]

00:07:28   because it really that really is what [TS]

00:07:29   this is edit score is it's about this [TS]

00:07:31   guy struggling to stay alive you know I [TS]

00:07:34   was not a matt damon fan before I saw [TS]

00:07:36   this movie and I really have been i [TS]

00:07:38   would say that i'm not a matt damon fan [TS]

00:07:39   now but I still enjoyed him well enough [TS]

00:07:42   in the movie he was just fine [TS]

00:07:44   aight aight i haven't read the book so [TS]

00:07:47   my only introduction to this character [TS]

00:07:49   was what I saw on screen and he seemed [TS]

00:07:51   perfectly serviceable in the role i was [TS]

00:07:54   i was comfortable watching him but it [TS]

00:07:57   wasn't the character that drew me in it [TS]

00:07:59   was it was the story and the the the [TS]

00:08:02   Jeopardy that this character was in AZ [TS]

00:08:04   22 me liking the character for himself [TS]

00:08:07   he had me when he at two moments in this [TS]

00:08:11   movie [TS]

00:08:11   there's the first moment when he [TS]

00:08:13   staggers back into the hab and has to [TS]

00:08:16   stitch himself bet your staple himself [TS]

00:08:18   back together that really wasn't [TS]

00:08:21   Prometheus level but still that was that [TS]

00:08:24   was tough stuff that was tough stuff and [TS]

00:08:26   but it also with one of the things that [TS]

00:08:28   made it work for me was in the book it's [TS]

00:08:30   all monologue and it's all description [TS]

00:08:32   and that is a he is not performing for [TS]

00:08:36   anybody he's not doing a log for anybody [TS]

00:08:38   matt damon is just performing suffering [TS]

00:08:41   and determination and all that stuff and [TS]

00:08:43   that was that was a great moment and the [TS]

00:08:46   second moment that sealed the deal for [TS]

00:08:47   me was after he blows up the hab and [TS]

00:08:50   he's sitting down in front of his camera [TS]

00:08:53   and he still smoking and those those [TS]

00:08:57   those too much right there [TS]

00:08:58   I did it for me well the the first [TS]

00:09:01   person concede of the Martian is that [TS]

00:09:03   the book is great in the sense that you [TS]

00:09:05   get the sense of his voice and who he is [TS]

00:09:07   as a person and he's trying to keep his [TS]

00:09:08   spirits up but you also get his dark [TS]

00:09:09   moments but what you don't get is what [TS]

00:09:12   he's not you know willing to share and [TS]

00:09:14   you're right chip one of the advantages [TS]

00:09:16   of doing this is a movie is that you get [TS]

00:09:18   to see those things the disadvantages [TS]

00:09:19   that it's harder to do that first person [TS]

00:09:22   narration and we do get a lot of him [TS]

00:09:23   sort of staring into the camera and [TS]

00:09:25   leaving and and and his log but what [TS]

00:09:29   what it gets us is those moments where [TS]

00:09:31   he's unguarded where we're just [TS]

00:09:32   witnessing the guy he's not narrating [TS]

00:09:33   his life we're seeing what he lived [TS]

00:09:35   which is a that's an advantage of doing [TS]

00:09:37   this is a movie as a poster book i think [TS]

00:09:39   yeah that that's that's what i liked [TS]

00:09:41   about the first 10 minutes of that [TS]

00:09:42   because we see him obviously if he's got [TS]

00:09:45   his stuff together enough to sit down [TS]

00:09:47   and think to leave a log behind we're [TS]

00:09:49   really not seeing him just in that very [TS]

00:09:52   moment and trying to figure out what the [TS]

00:09:53   hell just happened [TS]

00:09:54   what a great introduction to the [TS]

00:09:56   character that the firming that the fact [TS]

00:09:59   that he is so well-trained and he is so [TS]

00:10:01   geared towards here's what has to be [TS]

00:10:03   done that staggers staggers into the hab [TS]

00:10:05   and without any preamble whatsoever or [TS]

00:10:08   even like you know I got to get ready to [TS]

00:10:11   do surgery on myself just dives in grabs [TS]

00:10:14   it grabs med packs grabs it grabs the [TS]

00:10:16   EpiPen or whatever [TS]

00:10:17   four starts cutting starts digging [TS]

00:10:19   around four piece of metal the noses in [TS]

00:10:21   there get out and gets it done and then [TS]

00:10:24   after that it's just as you say Jason [TS]

00:10:26   you don't eat in the book you don't get [TS]

00:10:28   to see him just numb for 24 hours just I [TS]

00:10:33   just because it's sinking in that he is [TS]

00:10:34   alone on Mars and a half that's designed [TS]

00:10:37   to last for about a month for few people [TS]

00:10:41   and he then there's no way that he's [TS]

00:10:43   good he can let you can survive for [TS]

00:10:45   years just on his own just coming to [TS]

00:10:48   grips with that the only thing I didn't [TS]

00:10:50   like about the first 10 minutes is that [TS]

00:10:51   I really was hoping for more scenes of [TS]

00:10:54   the mission one of the group so we can [TS]

00:10:56   before the the stuff starts happening i [TS]

00:10:59   would like I would have liked to have [TS]

00:11:01   learned about what's the relationships [TS]

00:11:02   between all these people how did they [TS]

00:11:04   get along with each other i would like [TS]

00:11:05   to have seen more of matt damon in pre [TS]

00:11:08   crisis mode of just you know fun-loving [TS]

00:11:11   of Mark Watney who is just use the cup [TS]

00:11:13   of the group and keeps everybody spirits [TS]

00:11:15   up because it seems like there are [TS]

00:11:17   prospecting for all of like 38 seconds [TS]

00:11:19   before [TS]

00:11:20   ok we're all going Forgotten borough and [TS]

00:11:22   I appreciated that I like the fact that [TS]

00:11:24   we didn't have a bunch of a sort of [TS]

00:11:27   background stuff on the character I I it [TS]

00:11:31   just felt a lot more immediate and real [TS]

00:11:33   to me because I wasn't thinking about [TS]

00:11:34   all of that stuff is kind of like how in [TS]

00:11:36   gravity they made sure to you know to [TS]

00:11:39   shoehorn in the fact that she's a cute [TS]

00:11:40   kid back home which I found kind of [TS]

00:11:42   annoying like it that I feel like the [TS]

00:11:44   character itself be in jeopardy is [TS]

00:11:46   enough for me and I didn't want all that [TS]

00:11:49   extra stuff that's what works for well i [TS]

00:11:52   was thinking about the abyss where [TS]

00:11:54   before the the adventure part of the [TS]

00:11:56   movie starts [TS]

00:11:56   they show them they show the crew of [TS]

00:11:58   d├ęcor just doing a day's work trying to [TS]

00:12:01   get trying to get to get some that or [TS]

00:12:03   under underwater or dark puts put aside [TS]

00:12:05   and why don't you write I wouldn't it [TS]

00:12:07   wouldn't edius if we've learned a lot [TS]

00:12:09   about what his family life was like what [TS]

00:12:11   is what is this is cousin make the [TS]

00:12:12   baseball team and that sort of stuff but [TS]

00:12:14   like i said it's the sort of thing of [TS]

00:12:15   we're gonna have to know about the crew [TS]

00:12:17   later on when they come back into the [TS]

00:12:19   movie and it personally for me I would [TS]

00:12:22   have liked it if I'd known if I had a [TS]

00:12:24   better frame of reference for them [TS]

00:12:25   before they took off they try to get [TS]

00:12:27   everybody a moment but you can tell that [TS]

00:12:29   it's like literally [TS]

00:12:30   everybody's going to get a moment and [TS]

00:12:32   then we're gonna kick it into gear and [TS]

00:12:33   yet this is a two hour and 20 minute [TS]

00:12:35   movie so it's not totally surprising [TS]

00:12:39   that they move it along but stuff but so [TS]

00:12:42   i can see that you know do your less [TS]

00:12:44   invested in the crew before you lose [TS]

00:12:45   them because of that I want to mention [TS]

00:12:49   another another matt damon thing and I [TS]

00:12:51   wonder what you know what you guys think [TS]

00:12:52   there is a day a dialogue list seen [TS]

00:12:54   early in the film where you know you're [TS]

00:12:57   right he is he starts in survival mode [TS]

00:12:59   and then he and then he has to make the [TS]

00:13:01   shift to to problem-solving mode [TS]

00:13:06   how am I going to am I gonna get out of [TS]

00:13:07   this can i get out of this because at [TS]

00:13:09   first he's just trying to stay alive [TS]

00:13:11   like literally can i fix my wounds so [TS]

00:13:14   that i will stay alive and then there's [TS]

00:13:17   the end it's boy it's a tough shift to [TS]

00:13:19   be like well now i need to start [TS]

00:13:20   thinking big picture here and there's a [TS]

00:13:21   scene where he's standing and i believe [TS]

00:13:23   the airlock it's that route around [TS]

00:13:25   chamber and he and we're like closing on [TS]

00:13:28   his face and and there's no dialogue and [TS]

00:13:31   and you know if you talk about the scene [TS]

00:13:32   where I really liked what Matt Damon [TS]

00:13:34   didn't miss in this movie it's that [TS]

00:13:36   scene because I feel like that's the [TS]

00:13:37   scene where he's deciding deciding do I [TS]

00:13:39   want to just open the airlock and die if [TS]

00:13:41   I'm gonna die here [TS]

00:13:43   I don't want to prolong it I'm just [TS]

00:13:44   gonna I'm just gonna open the airlock [TS]

00:13:46   and i'll die and that will be the end [TS]

00:13:48   and he chooses to fight and he chooses [TS]

00:13:51   to try and work the problem and see if [TS]

00:13:53   there's some even impossible way for him [TS]

00:13:54   to get out of this and I really like [TS]

00:13:56   that and like I said it's not like he's [TS]

00:13:58   talking about it to himself he's just [TS]

00:14:00   literally standing in the airlock and [TS]

00:14:02   he's not a hand on the door or anything [TS]

00:14:04   like that it's really subtle but I feel [TS]

00:14:06   like you've got to see his struggle of [TS]

00:14:08   like what am I gonna do now am I gonna [TS]

00:14:09   live or am I going to give up and he [TS]

00:14:11   chooses to live and then that sets him [TS]

00:14:13   off on his course for the rest I did get [TS]

00:14:14   that but baby I wasn't paying that close [TS]

00:14:16   attention and it's my interpretation of [TS]

00:14:18   it there do it you know that that was [TS]

00:14:20   the way I took it is that I you know I [TS]

00:14:22   think he's considering whether he wants [TS]

00:14:23   to live here or not because he's he sort [TS]

00:14:25   of silent and upset and and standing in [TS]

00:14:27   what I believe is that is the chamber [TS]

00:14:29   where he could close the door and and [TS]

00:14:31   and a doll and they don't make a big [TS]

00:14:33   deal out of it but I mean that is [TS]

00:14:34   ultimately his decision here is he do [TS]

00:14:35   you fight or do you not get with it [TS]

00:14:37   whether that scene was intended to mean [TS]

00:14:38   that or not you know he turns and [TS]

00:14:40   decides he's gonna he's gonna use [TS]

00:14:43   science [TS]

00:14:43   to work out work out the problem here [TS]

00:14:46   yeah there are there are also a couple [TS]

00:14:47   of moments in this movie where he I [TS]

00:14:50   wouldn't say he weekends but he gets [TS]

00:14:53   really frustrated or upset there's a [TS]

00:14:55   couple of moments where he screams the [TS]

00:14:57   f-word silently behind his a class and [TS]

00:15:01   one of the criticisms I've seen this [TS]

00:15:03   movie mainly by people who haven't read [TS]

00:15:05   the book is they just don't buy how calm [TS]

00:15:09   and help together Matt Damon is or how [TS]

00:15:13   much Mark Watney would be that nobody [TS]

00:15:15   would be he's just so implacable and I [TS]

00:15:19   don't get that all from this movie [TS]

00:15:20   there are a couple of moments where he [TS]

00:15:23   breaks the point of the movie is of [TS]

00:15:25   course the triumph of the that the [TS]

00:15:27   triumph of the problem solver but i [TS]

00:15:30   actually thought there were a couple of [TS]

00:15:31   moments that humanized him that Matt [TS]

00:15:34   being brought to it i thought this movie [TS]

00:15:35   had some nice continuity with tom [TS]

00:15:37   wolfe's the right stuff which is about [TS]

00:15:40   the early the book the book and the [TS]

00:15:42   movie about the early science and space [TS]

00:15:45   program you know the did great get [TS]

00:15:48   Grissom and gotten the mercury after the [TS]

00:15:51   markets right [TS]

00:15:52   the only reason I paid attention to [TS]

00:15:54   guests christmas because my childhood [TS]

00:15:55   library was named after him so I was [TS]

00:15:57   like oh but uh one of the passages in [TS]

00:16:00   the book that's indelible that's stayed [TS]

00:16:01   with me for many years is Tom wolf goes [TS]

00:16:05   into the mindset of people who do well [TS]

00:16:08   the space program and they tend to be [TS]

00:16:09   test pilots in other words the type of [TS]

00:16:11   people who if the nose of your airplane [TS]

00:16:13   is on fire and you're hurtling toward [TS]

00:16:15   the earth at a hundred miles an hour [TS]

00:16:16   they will calmly methodically assume [TS]

00:16:19   that they can get out of it and work [TS]

00:16:20   every single solution right up to the [TS]

00:16:22   moment that the nosecone hits the ground [TS]

00:16:23   at a terrifying velocity like these are [TS]

00:16:26   just not people who ever think of [TS]

00:16:27   themselves as failing they always think [TS]

00:16:29   that well i can i can work the problem [TS]

00:16:31   and so that was one thing that I really [TS]

00:16:33   enjoyed seeing all the way through the [TS]

00:16:34   Martian is everybody who worked the [TS]

00:16:37   problem [TS]

00:16:38   never assume they couldn't solve it yeah [TS]

00:16:40   and yeah and then had been rocked back [TS]

00:16:42   on their heels by setbacks like with [TS]

00:16:44   when you know my gosh all are liquefied [TS]

00:16:46   supplies are what through all of our [TS]

00:16:47   calculations and you know rocketboom but [TS]

00:16:50   the point is they didn't spend like [TS]

00:16:53   three weeks and launch a tumbler full of [TS]

00:16:54   said pictures ever they just [TS]

00:16:55   like when that we can begin the 11 i can [TS]

00:16:57   working the problem again and I really [TS]

00:17:00   like that callback to the resilience in [TS]

00:17:03   tough mindedness of the very early space [TS]

00:17:05   program I thought to put a really nice i [TS]

00:17:06   thought was a really nice call-up to the [TS]

00:17:08   history of US Space and how there are [TS]

00:17:09   some things that stay the same even when [TS]

00:17:11   we get to the point where we have [TS]

00:17:13   fantastically well equipped Martian [TS]

00:17:14   voyages when you can talk about Apollo [TS]

00:17:16   13 is a is another touchdown along here [TS]

00:17:19   a film and so that's the style you want [TS]

00:17:22   to kind of a attached to but based on a [TS]

00:17:24   real story about the same thing and i [TS]

00:17:27   was reading I i was tweet that led to a [TS]

00:17:30   post by somebody who is an astronaut in [TS]

00:17:32   training and she's a scientist marquan [TS]

00:17:35   you know he's a botanist he's not he's [TS]

00:17:36   not a an Air Force fighter pilot or [TS]

00:17:38   something like that but even you know [TS]

00:17:40   even astronauts who are scientists like [TS]

00:17:42   have to learn how to fly jets and stuff [TS]

00:17:45   even if they've never flown before [TS]

00:17:47   literally get you get inducted into the [TS]

00:17:48   astronaut training program they're like [TS]

00:17:50   okay we're going to teach you how to fly [TS]

00:17:51   jets narrow and I also want to point out [TS]

00:17:54   that bonus or kind of the fearless [TS]

00:17:56   badasses of the science alright that was [TS]

00:17:58   here from is that notice the know [TS]

00:18:00   because these are the guys who will do [TS]

00:18:02   things like head into war zones to save [TS]

00:18:05   plant stocks under the theory that [TS]

00:18:06   eventually someone's going to have to [TS]

00:18:07   replant and and there are some plants [TS]

00:18:09   that are so exquisitely suited to their [TS]

00:18:11   habitat it is a service to humanity to [TS]

00:18:13   go rescue these plants and keep them [TS]

00:18:16   safe like there are in the annals of war [TS]

00:18:18   over the 20th century alone there was an [TS]

00:18:20   entire team of Soviet scientists that [TS]

00:18:22   starved to death in the interest of [TS]

00:18:24   keeping the Soviet Union's potato rice [TS]

00:18:26   and peanut stock safe for rebuilding and [TS]

00:18:29   there was another case fairly recently [TS]

00:18:31   where there's a scientist who managed to [TS]

00:18:32   rescue like lemon somewhere in the [TS]

00:18:33   middle east like this really rare [TS]

00:18:35   straight [TS]

00:18:35   the point is that botanist they're [TS]

00:18:36   pretty much like fearless anyway we know [TS]

00:18:38   those potatoes come in handy very [TS]

00:18:40   important it's true [TS]

00:18:42   so you bought is her to be feared what [TS]

00:18:44   do you think of a matt damon and and [TS]

00:18:46   Mark Watney and his sort of solo [TS]

00:18:48   performance here for much most of the [TS]

00:18:49   movie i think it is a good job you know [TS]

00:18:51   in the in the book you because so much [TS]

00:18:56   of the book is done is log entries you [TS]

00:18:57   sort of have to infer some fizzy his [TS]

00:19:01   emotions kind of on top of what he's [TS]

00:19:02   saying but in the movie course we get to [TS]

00:19:04   see him right we get to see you said [TS]

00:19:06   that moment in the airlock you get to [TS]

00:19:07   see the resolve [TS]

00:19:08   silver his face or the look of of you [TS]

00:19:12   know he certainly understands or comes [TS]

00:19:13   to a conclusion and i think i think that [TS]

00:19:15   David pulls it off i think that he's a [TS]

00:19:17   very believable character and just like [TS]

00:19:22   you're saying about the right stuff is [TS]

00:19:23   those astronauts you know from the [TS]

00:19:25   sixties and seventies guys who had that [TS]

00:19:28   steely resolve and you get that or I get [TS]

00:19:31   that from from watching Matt Damon walk [TS]

00:19:34   around and and do stuff and I think it's [TS]

00:19:37   um you know I think I I was not prepared [TS]

00:19:40   for the sort of the the emotional side [TS]

00:19:43   of the of the book to really be flushed [TS]

00:19:45   out in the movie but I think he does a [TS]

00:19:46   really good job at it [TS]

00:19:47   I think the difference would be since [TS]

00:19:49   he's he is you know essentially a [TS]

00:19:51   civilian scientists I don't know via in [TS]

00:19:53   a backstory if he if he's purely a [TS]

00:19:55   civilian or not but essentially it's a [TS]

00:19:57   recent easy regular guy who then is [TS]

00:19:59   training he's an astronaut but you get [TS]

00:20:02   the steely resolve that the difference [TS]

00:20:03   and this is what makes the same 2015 [TS]

00:20:05   movie and not a 1982 v is you know we [TS]

00:20:09   see him being wacky and playing the [TS]

00:20:12   disco music and making you know jokes [TS]

00:20:15   with his his a his crewmate AE [TS]

00:20:17   before-and-after right him go the the oh [TS]

00:20:20   this one seventies TV callback that [TS]

00:20:22   would that survived that was a that was [TS]

00:20:24   excellent but it doesn't change the [TS]

00:20:28   steely resolve underneath right that's [TS]

00:20:30   all still there he's still working the [TS]

00:20:32   problem but he's there for an extended [TS]

00:20:33   period of time like Apollo 13 where they [TS]

00:20:36   did it all in a day of you know a few [TS]

00:20:38   days of of working the problem [TS]

00:20:40   he's got months and so we also get to [TS]

00:20:42   see him kind of his other his other [TS]

00:20:44   aspects the steely resolve has never not [TS]

00:20:46   there right [TS]

00:20:48   I think I think it's you can see the [TS]

00:20:50   transition where you do at those first [TS]

00:20:52   couple days where he need only gets into [TS]

00:20:55   despair but he's basically very much in [TS]

00:20:57   this is very much abstracting his [TS]

00:21:00   situation before he goes back into [TS]

00:21:02   engineering like just you know [TS]

00:21:04   originally said earlier it's these [TS]

00:21:08   people are trained to be able to do not [TS]

00:21:10   see either the line the line that I [TS]

00:21:12   remember from one astronaut think what [TS]

00:21:14   Apollo astronaut say that between a test [TS]

00:21:16   pilot normal pilot is that if you're if [TS]

00:21:18   both pilots know that they've got 12 [TS]

00:21:20   seconds before they [TS]

00:21:21   brasher the test pilot well i got 12 [TS]

00:21:23   seconds i bet i can fix this and so it [TS]

00:21:26   seems as though what was going to keep [TS]

00:21:28   him alive even if he was gonna die 90 [TS]

00:21:30   days even if he was gonna be able to [TS]

00:21:31   stretch his food supply is that now he's [TS]

00:21:33   got this new project to work on which is [TS]

00:21:36   to figure out what he can do today to [TS]

00:21:38   extend his life another day and you [TS]

00:21:42   he has that sort of personality that [TS]

00:21:43   lets him take that as his as new raised [TS]

00:21:47   on debt it that's that's what he's doing [TS]

00:21:49   now it's if he didn't have that sort of [TS]

00:21:51   distraction if it was for a different [TS]

00:21:52   situation we had to wait for rescue [TS]

00:21:55   maybe he would have blown the airlock if [TS]

00:21:57   you didn't have the distraction of a [TS]

00:21:58   completely hostile environment of a [TS]

00:22:00   severe lack of food and having to [TS]

00:22:01   generate your own water and and wait and [TS]

00:22:04   and then like halfway across the planet [TS]

00:22:06   to get shot off in a convertible I can [TS]

00:22:08   see where you might fall into despair [TS]

00:22:10   and boredom [TS]

00:22:11   yeah i think i like i like Mark Watney [TS]

00:22:13   the character because of the choices [TS]

00:22:16   that he makes and what he does and and [TS]

00:22:18   sort of the things that he says so i [TS]

00:22:20   think the the writing of the book and [TS]

00:22:22   also the writing of the screenplay are [TS]

00:22:24   what what Germany and it that it's just [TS]

00:22:26   that it has you know we keep mentioning [TS]

00:22:28   that David has nothing to do with that [TS]

00:22:29   performance at the german let me take a [TS]

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00:24:01   incomparable i have been racking my [TS]

00:24:03   brains trying to figure out there's like [TS]

00:24:04   a nerd of your a-lister they could have [TS]

00:24:06   used instead of Matt Damon because it [TS]

00:24:07   was a fine performance and at one point [TS]

00:24:09   I leaned over and whispered to fill all [TS]

00:24:10   right this is the Oscar clip and i'm [TS]

00:24:12   fairly sure he's gonna get nominated [TS]

00:24:14   this year teacher the guy i think i [TS]

00:24:17   think how you got it you got an a-list [TS]

00:24:20   actor and he basically carrying a hit [TS]

00:24:23   movie and he's almost entirely just [TS]

00:24:25   alone in it [TS]

00:24:25   oh yeah he's a shoo-in for the many just [TS]

00:24:28   means that Oscar Oscar clip where he's [TS]

00:24:30   crying and he's emoting and he's like [TS]

00:24:32   good I differently to read like a winner [TS]

00:24:34   but i was at my complaint when he was [TS]

00:24:39   cast was can he play convincingly nerdy [TS]

00:24:43   enough because the Watney in the book is [TS]

00:24:44   somebody who is you know nerd first [TS]

00:24:47   astronaut second he's an astronaut [TS]

00:24:48   really ya know what i don't like is like [TS]

00:24:51   a serious nerd and I do not get that [TS]

00:24:53   from the screen at all [TS]

00:24:54   ya know and thatthat's the things I've [TS]

00:24:56   been and I thought okay well this is [TS]

00:24:57   actually casting challenge because a [TS]

00:24:59   listers not becoming lister since they [TS]

00:25:01   master the Nerds onra so like I just [TS]

00:25:04   keep thinking well we've probably dodged [TS]

00:25:06   a bullet in that it wasn't Ben Affleck [TS]

00:25:07   cast in this movie I thought that the [TS]

00:25:12   oceans the oceans movies put him in that [TS]

00:25:14   sort of because he's because he's next [TS]

00:25:16   to Bradley and Brandon he really he is [TS]

00:25:20   the nerd of that trio so that is the [TS]

00:25:23   narrative entry on that includes Brad [TS]

00:25:24   Pitt and George party box will not to be [TS]

00:25:27   the nerd of like the only person who [TS]

00:25:29   would not be a nerd in that trio would [TS]

00:25:31   be the rock [TS]

00:25:31   well he seemed nervous but he is an [TS]

00:25:33   astronaut nerd right now I think that's [TS]

00:25:34   the challenges not only you know not the [TS]

00:25:38   Nerds can't be astronauts but I think [TS]

00:25:39   they're they're obviously they're not [TS]

00:25:41   just nerds because they have all of the [TS]

00:25:43   whatever-it-is the right stuff let's say [TS]

00:25:45   to be asked [TS]

00:25:46   knots and also there is that type that [TS]

00:25:49   you know it's typecasting in a way to [TS]

00:25:51   which is you want this is this movie [TS]

00:25:52   needs a lead who can hold it down and [TS]

00:25:56   who can be heroic and yet gives you at [TS]

00:25:58   least a a taste of the fact i mean i'd i [TS]

00:26:00   believe that he is really legitimately [TS]

00:26:03   excited about growing his his poop [TS]

00:26:07   potato baked potatoes and all of the [TS]

00:26:09   stuff that he does and that he knows [TS]

00:26:11   that stuff I never I never was like come [TS]

00:26:13   on this guy doesn't understand stuff [TS]

00:26:16   like that i disguised even know what [TS]

00:26:17   salary but he's not you know it'sit's [TS]

00:26:20   there there there are limits and I think [TS]

00:26:22   their limits 22 when you're making a [TS]

00:26:24   movie like this [TS]

00:26:25   yeah i did not have an image in my head [TS]

00:26:28   of Mark Watney when i read the book when [TS]

00:26:30   I reread it i will probably see matt [TS]

00:26:33   damon and you know and and then and I [TS]

00:26:37   think that says something either about [TS]

00:26:40   my lack of imagination or the fact that [TS]

00:26:42   you know he didn't do anything to screw [TS]

00:26:44   up the character in my head that's all [TS]

00:26:46   that's actually kind of a ringing [TS]

00:26:47   endorsement he didn't script the [TS]

00:26:48   character in my head with notice [TS]

00:26:50   yeah because i actually have one casting [TS]

00:26:53   quibble ok which is um I can't remember [TS]

00:26:56   her first name but her last name is Park [TS]

00:26:58   yeah Andy park [TS]

00:26:59   Mindy park and I was like I leaned over [TS]

00:27:01   to the because my local nerd policy when [TS]

00:27:04   we all got together was very exciting as [TS]

00:27:05   we know children with this and really [TS]

00:27:07   different from Lauren's like I totally [TS]

00:27:09   thought she was korean and Lauren's like [TS]

00:27:11   oh I did too and so I was like kudos [TS]

00:27:16   different for keeping his mini Park and [TS]

00:27:17   not making her mark parkour Martin park [TS]

00:27:19   or something like that like hooray we [TS]

00:27:21   you know we didn't lose a woman but at [TS]

00:27:23   the same time I I can't be the only [TS]

00:27:25   person who read the name indie park and [TS]

00:27:28   instantly you know thought okay Korean [TS]

00:27:29   scientists totally plausible yeah and I [TS]

00:27:31   don't know why you wouldn't i mean i [TS]

00:27:33   don't know why i was i was taken aback [TS]

00:27:35   when I saw that like really blonde girl [TS]

00:27:37   is mini mark really maybe she's adopted [TS]

00:27:40   like Scott Fujita alright ability that [TS]

00:27:44   is really loved one long way I was just [TS]

00:27:46   playing with that I i perform some [TS]

00:27:47   people who are disappointed that the [TS]

00:27:48   that the Indian character is played by [TS]

00:27:52   chiwetel ejiofor who the story and the [TS]

00:27:55   story is they actually cast an Indian [TS]

00:27:57   actor [TS]

00:27:58   who apparently i think maybe because the [TS]

00:28:00   shooting that delayed it's unclear in my [TS]

00:28:02   in my recollection of this but basically [TS]

00:28:04   he he got pulled off of it at the last [TS]

00:28:06   minute because he had to go to a giant [TS]

00:28:08   bollywood spectacular but he was going [TS]

00:28:10   to be at character and they say in it [TS]

00:28:11   with a couple of weeks ago they had to [TS]

00:28:13   catch somebody in the cast chiwetel [TS]

00:28:14   ejiofor as an emergency casting choice [TS]

00:28:16   that's pretty awesome but as a result [TS]

00:28:18   there's a line in there where he says [TS]

00:28:19   that his mother was a Baptist and his [TS]

00:28:22   and his up his father is a Hindu but i [TS]

00:28:24   think his name changes to Vincent [TS]

00:28:26   instead of in cats yeah exactly said I [TS]

00:28:28   just kind of imagine that they met in [TS]

00:28:30   school and his mother was like of the [TS]

00:28:31   Southern Baptist direction and so I [TS]

00:28:33   filled in that story to where I'm like [TS]

00:28:35   I'm clearly he was your TA and they met [TS]

00:28:37   a bad Kansas but that was you know so we [TS]

00:28:39   have 28 is seemingly you know these [TS]

00:28:41   could have been ancient actors that they [TS]

00:28:42   ended up neither of them being that yeah [TS]

00:28:44   but of geology for speaking of casting [TS]

00:28:46   I'm not so good guys really good yeah [TS]

00:28:49   yeah yeahs having not having read the [TS]

00:28:52   book I didn't know any of that so I had [TS]

00:28:54   no preconceptions and I just found [TS]

00:28:57   myself going [TS]

00:28:58   hey there's a lot of ladies on the [TS]

00:28:59   screen hey did a black guy in a position [TS]

00:29:01   of power [TS]

00:29:02   hey I'm like in this movie yeah yeah [TS]

00:29:05   hey Donald Glover's in this and he's a [TS]

00:29:07   gigantic nerd there's just that Sean [TS]

00:29:10   Bean was somehow not decapitated and the [TS]

00:29:12   point during the film because i'm sort [TS]

00:29:13   of condition to have him get yelled at [TS]

00:29:15   anything is and i was like he made it [TS]

00:29:17   alive to be into the fish on gets to [TS]

00:29:19   participate in a lord of the rings joke [TS]

00:29:20   in the middle California maybe I think [TS]

00:29:22   the greatest that's in the book and [TS]

00:29:25   we're going to take it out of the movie [TS]

00:29:26   and they decided they the the executives [TS]

00:29:28   want to take it out and somebody was [TS]

00:29:29   like no no that's funny leave it in and [TS]

00:29:31   it is it the whole my whole audience [TS]

00:29:33   laughed but we have to win me that joke [TS]

00:29:35   especially when the Jets when the jeff [TS]

00:29:37   daniels character like if you know [TS]

00:29:39   startles them all baby & completely [TS]

00:29:41   fluent and tokine as well that was great [TS]

00:29:42   it was a really nice humanizing moment [TS]

00:29:44   for him to glorfindel baby I I feel like [TS]

00:29:47   Jeff Daniels character so this is a [TS]

00:29:49   movie with no this movie with no [TS]

00:29:50   villains percent Jeff Daniels is it [TS]

00:29:52   isn't agonistic in a few cases but and I [TS]

00:29:57   actually think this movie is uh has a [TS]

00:29:58   lot of the rough edges sanded off of it [TS]

00:30:00   from the book because I think the people [TS]

00:30:01   at NASA are much more unpleasant in the [TS]

00:30:05   book then they are in the movie where [TS]

00:30:07   it's much more like go team let's do it [TS]

00:30:08   but the general rule its kind of [TS]

00:30:10   thankless because he is the [TS]

00:30:11   bureaucrat and you do get the sense that [TS]

00:30:13   he's doing things not because he's a bad [TS]

00:30:15   guy but because he knows the wider [TS]

00:30:17   political ramifications that most people [TS]

00:30:19   don't have to understand and he just [TS]

00:30:21   kind of has to deal with that but the [TS]

00:30:23   same time it is a it is a kind of [TS]

00:30:24   thankless role in it is kind of a stock [TS]

00:30:26   role i was thinking i was reminded of [TS]

00:30:28   like tom skerritt in contact right it is [TS]

00:30:30   that same kind of like I'm the [TS]

00:30:31   administrator I'm the bureaucrat I'm a [TS]

00:30:33   politician but I thought Daniels to did [TS]

00:30:36   a fine job and then that allows [TS]

00:30:38   everybody else to not be Jeff Daniels [TS]

00:30:40   and head point and got bounced off of [TS]

00:30:41   him and be like no we're going to save [TS]

00:30:43   him and and and that was that it was all [TS]

00:30:46   good at work I definitely had a moment I [TS]

00:30:48   think the first time he's at the podium [TS]

00:30:50   and he's speaking of Mike wait is this [TS]

00:30:51   the newsroom like I just had a friend of [TS]

00:30:55   memory from that show what is less podio [TS]

00:30:57   that was a is so but you know he's gonna [TS]

00:30:59   suit and he's talking to me and I just [TS]

00:31:01   want to listen to him all day [TS]

00:31:03   I really like the second press [TS]

00:31:04   conference for some reporter shots are [TS]

00:31:05   you gonna quit lying no-good disagree [TS]

00:31:10   no I'm Christian way against the [TS]

00:31:12   mortified PR person is like you even [TS]

00:31:14   nobody should be saying things that [TS]

00:31:15   they're saying right now Jake leg roll [TS]

00:31:17   yeah oh yeah i like the scene between [TS]

00:31:20   Jeff Daniels and sean bean after sean [TS]

00:31:23   has given up the that has given up a [TS]

00:31:27   secret and the hermes has made its [TS]

00:31:29   course correction that's a scene that's [TS]

00:31:31   not in the book that works really well i [TS]

00:31:34   work in my working government local [TS]

00:31:36   government so you know I I i see a lot [TS]

00:31:39   of these types all the time i work in [TS]

00:31:41   public information so the I thought [TS]

00:31:45   you're like Kristen Wiig you're sitting [TS]

00:31:46   on the side going oh my god what is [TS]

00:31:48   happening right the Christian wig [TS]

00:31:50   character is definitely tone down from [TS]

00:31:52   the book and i have seen I i have seen [TS]

00:31:55   both i have seen both movie [TS]

00:31:57   Kristen Wiig and book Kristen Wiig and [TS]

00:32:00   yeah there is a spectrum there but the [TS]

00:32:04   but the book and the movie in their own [TS]

00:32:08   way do a pretty good job of what this [TS]

00:32:12   NASA culture is going to be like and [TS]

00:32:14   what this governmental culture is like [TS]

00:32:15   and how the tech and the politics don't [TS]

00:32:18   mix all that well it did that it comes [TS]

00:32:21   off pretty well i think yeah I think [TS]

00:32:23   with the signature differences but [TS]

00:32:25   in the book of the movie is that we're [TS]

00:32:27   getting back to jeff daniels role which [TS]

00:32:29   seems to be setting up more like a [TS]

00:32:32   villain a book and the movie the [TS]

00:32:34   differences that with almost all of [TS]

00:32:36   these characters you have actors who are [TS]

00:32:39   much much better than the actors that [TS]

00:32:42   anywhere has in the book they can really [TS]

00:32:45   perform a lot better than the dialogue [TS]

00:32:47   that they're given in the book [TS]

00:32:48   oh yeah and it's I hate the people in [TS]

00:32:51   the book i hate i think it's the worst [TS]

00:32:53   thing in the book is the nasty stuff [TS]

00:32:54   because i hate almost everybody in it [TS]

00:32:56   it's not just what dispatch it's not the [TS]

00:32:58   nasty stuff it is the characterization [TS]

00:33:00   he's very very anywhere in this book is [TS]

00:33:02   very very weak on painting believable [TS]

00:33:05   character right [TS]

00:33:06   what you want is the is the is like the [TS]

00:33:08   exception because he's got these got the [TS]

00:33:10   entire floor but I really compare I [TS]

00:33:12   really had to think back to when the [TS]

00:33:14   hunt for red october which is also [TS]

00:33:15   exciting book loved it i reread it once [TS]

00:33:18   in every once in awhile but you know [TS]

00:33:20   that at this point this is this author [TS]

00:33:22   Tom Clancy is not really is more at home [TS]

00:33:25   explaining how a radar system works then [TS]

00:33:28   on why somebody how someone drinks a cup [TS]

00:33:30   of coffee and in the book in the book in [TS]

00:33:33   the Martian everybody drinks coffee the [TS]

00:33:35   most dramatic and direct and punch away [TS]

00:33:37   available whereas an actor just simply [TS]

00:33:40   six the coffee in a way that makes you [TS]

00:33:41   understand how cool they can be in any [TS]

00:33:43   situation what I want to ask everybody [TS]

00:33:45   else about is the epilogue that they do [TS]

00:33:48   which is completely original to the [TS]

00:33:49   movie and was not at all my book and how [TS]

00:33:51   they do the where are they now montage [TS]

00:33:53   and I was very curious as to everybody [TS]

00:33:55   else's reactions to it I thought it was [TS]

00:33:57   great i thought it was something that I [TS]

00:33:59   thought was missing from the end of the [TS]

00:34:01   book but because I thought that was way [TS]

00:34:04   too abrupt i didn't think it was the [TS]

00:34:05   best I I don't think that's it was the [TS]

00:34:08   best way to articulate that sort of an [TS]

00:34:10   ending but I appreciate that it was [TS]

00:34:12   there once in awhile i actually like the [TS]

00:34:14   neal stephenson moment where he drops [TS]

00:34:16   the pin and walks away right at right [TS]

00:34:19   after with no date on my once in awhile [TS]

00:34:21   i actually like that so i'm not sure i'm [TS]

00:34:24   not sure i found myself wondering how [TS]

00:34:27   the heck is this going to end because [TS]

00:34:28   you know I that was pretty sure he was [TS]

00:34:30   going to get off of Mars once once they [TS]

00:34:33   rescue him and you know I'm like okay so [TS]

00:34:36   he's gonna fly home he's gonna get home [TS]

00:34:37   I kept thinking how are they going to [TS]

00:34:40   end this i mean it [TS]

00:34:42   they could just stop it and roll credits [TS]

00:34:43   and I felt like that would be very [TS]

00:34:45   emotionally unsatisfying so I I wasn't [TS]

00:34:48   sure where they were gonna go i was very [TS]

00:34:49   happy with that as the end I mean there [TS]

00:34:52   may have been other ways that it could [TS]

00:34:53   have also happened that I would have [TS]

00:34:54   been perfectly happy with but I've [TS]

00:34:56   always kind of been a sucker for the [TS]

00:34:58   nose a little the buttons telling you [TS]

00:35:01   you know and where are they now the [TS]

00:35:02   animal house ending [TS]

00:35:04   yes i did he do to you senator and mrs. [TS]

00:35:06   Blewett are so you went on to the next [TS]

00:35:08   mars mission so I was completely happy [TS]

00:35:10   with that I was glad that they did [TS]

00:35:11   something else and I'm I I guess that's [TS]

00:35:14   a lot of the things that you guys have [TS]

00:35:16   been saying about the book as compared [TS]

00:35:17   to the movie have made me more and more [TS]

00:35:19   interested to read the book but knowing [TS]

00:35:22   that there's not this at the end of it [TS]

00:35:23   kind of makes me go from this is that [TS]

00:35:25   the one negative so far [TS]

00:35:26   yeah i mean it is it is Kyra susi where [TS]

00:35:29   they end up I think depending on the [TS]

00:35:31   version of the book that you've read [TS]

00:35:33   I've got an email from a guy i think i'm [TS]

00:35:36   on his website when he did that version [TS]

00:35:38   it has an ending with him back on earth [TS]

00:35:40   that they took out but it'sit's very [TS]

00:35:42   brief it's just him sitting on a bench [TS]

00:35:44   and he's like one interaction [TS]

00:35:46   he's the the really the party of like I [TS]

00:35:48   really don't care for is Professor [TS]

00:35:51   Watney where he's he's teaching like [TS]

00:35:53   future astronauts and it's an excuse to [TS]

00:35:57   get him into a world back into the world [TS]

00:36:00   and you see that he's famous rented that [TS]

00:36:01   he is using his experience to teach [TS]

00:36:04   others and that's nice but I just that [TS]

00:36:07   seems really didn't sit well with me [TS]

00:36:08   I didn't like that scene at all what [TS]

00:36:10   would you rather have negative because I [TS]

00:36:12   mean that mark because I've been [TS]

00:36:13   thinking about that too since having him [TS]

00:36:15   back in teaching astronauts also didn't [TS]

00:36:17   sit well with me but I can't answer the [TS]

00:36:19   question what I think should have been [TS]

00:36:20   doing step always I i think that that [TS]

00:36:22   seems shouldn't be in the movie and so [TS]

00:36:24   I'm gonna I'm gonna be contrary I think [TS]

00:36:26   first off i think the scene where he's [TS]

00:36:27   teaching the the astronauts is dumb [TS]

00:36:29   because and and I know that this just [TS]

00:36:31   hit me wrong and everybody can go back [TS]

00:36:32   when this is on DVD you will you know [TS]

00:36:34   everybody can go back and look but it's [TS]

00:36:35   like they're it's a weird dressed [TS]

00:36:37   astronaut class like look its first [TS]

00:36:39   astronaut training they're wearing a [TS]

00:36:40   hoodie [TS]

00:36:41   it's like a shark it's like a strike and [TS]

00:36:43   it's like astronaut freshman astronaut [TS]

00:36:44   want to [TS]

00:36:45   one or something I don't know what's [TS]

00:36:46   going on with that but but here's the [TS]

00:36:48   thing its Advanced Placement astronaut [TS]

00:36:50   from high school I i think the reason [TS]

00:36:51   that they do this scene is because they [TS]

00:36:52   want to put a bow on it and they want to [TS]

00:36:54   say oh look at all those lessons the [TS]

00:36:56   lesson we learned here is that as an [TS]

00:36:57   astronaut you need to be prepared and [TS]

00:36:58   not give up and faced adversity and you [TS]

00:37:00   use your wits and intelligence you can [TS]

00:37:02   do it you can survive and I'm living [TS]

00:37:04   proof like yeah you know what I saw the [TS]

00:37:06   movie I learned all of that fighter [TS]

00:37:10   terrorism very emotional high point is [TS]

00:37:12   when he's reunited with his crew they're [TS]

00:37:14   gonna go back to earth and be fine [TS]

00:37:16   the end and then after that I would like [TS]

00:37:19   patty tag teams i would like to see [TS]

00:37:21   nothing but the credit I i really like [TS]

00:37:23   the credits where they are watching the [TS]

00:37:25   next mission go and we see where [TS]

00:37:26   everybody is when the next time she goes [TS]

00:37:28   I like that I think that's fun and nice [TS]

00:37:30   I just didn't need to see mark Watney on [TS]

00:37:32   earth we we we learned the lesson of [TS]

00:37:34   Mark Watney we don't need them to put a [TS]

00:37:35   put a bow on it and restate everything [TS]

00:37:37   we've just seen so that's my feeling i [TS]

00:37:39   should point out that the thing that I [TS]

00:37:40   liked the most was actually the where [TS]

00:37:42   are we now bits the the part with him [TS]

00:37:44   being an astronaut teacher I don't have [TS]

00:37:46   any strong feelings one way or the other [TS]

00:37:48   but i would have been perfectly fine [TS]

00:37:49   without that as long as I got some [TS]

00:37:52   hoodies after he was rescued [TS]

00:37:53   let's do with the hoodies I know ok [TS]

00:37:55   president for it's cold in there you're [TS]

00:37:58   reminded me something that really [TS]

00:38:00   bothered me about about wanting the [TS]

00:38:03   relationship with the crew [TS]

00:38:04   I really thought that he has at this [TS]

00:38:07   point he has not heard another human [TS]

00:38:11   voice and has it been like a year you're [TS]

00:38:14   in half I'd like the first time that he [TS]

00:38:16   actually they actually get radio working [TS]

00:38:18   and he hears another human voice he [TS]

00:38:20   hears the voices of his crewmates are [TS]

00:38:22   there panting they're having fun days [TS]

00:38:24   and this current moment we missed the [TS]

00:38:26   first moment where they hear each other [TS]

00:38:27   if you're not in the movie and then they [TS]

00:38:29   should have been there should have been [TS]

00:38:30   I I guess I was expecting just a little [TS]

00:38:32   bit of a tier of relief to just see like [TS]

00:38:35   it will be a it if there's a tiny [TS]

00:38:38   complaint is that you don't see the [TS]

00:38:40   weight of the stress that he's under by [TS]

00:38:43   trying to survive day after day and [TS]

00:38:44   coming up with these solutions and if [TS]

00:38:46   you had that one moment of I'm for 10 [TS]

00:38:48   seconds there's no camera on me inside [TS]

00:38:51   this vehicle i can just not break down [TS]

00:38:53   but my voice is fine but no one will see [TS]

00:38:55   me holding company [TS]

00:38:57   hands in front of my eyes to keep the [TS]

00:38:58   water from like just you know getting [TS]

00:38:59   into my microphone have a few of the [TS]

00:39:01   things i wanted to i want to mention i [TS]

00:39:04   want to ask about really quickly about [TS]

00:39:05   the tech in this movie just because [TS]

00:39:07   we're director of tech savvy people and [TS]

00:39:10   I enjoyed that and i was wondering what [TS]

00:39:12   you all thought we see them we see him [TS]

00:39:14   watching watching videos and doing a log [TS]

00:39:16   and then there's the the kind of the [TS]

00:39:18   white room you know have that he's in [TS]

00:39:20   and there's the Rovers and there's just [TS]

00:39:23   there's a bunch of a future near future [TS]

00:39:25   issue NASA tech they create for the film [TS]

00:39:27   and I just I was always a nice bit of [TS]

00:39:30   art direction i think they didn't I [TS]

00:39:31   think did a good job but I'm interested [TS]

00:39:32   if you have any thoughts about and i was [TS]

00:39:34   wondering does he did you upload those [TS]

00:39:35   logs to NASA at some point like how we [TS]

00:39:38   get for how did they get from Mars to [TS]

00:39:39   earth [TS]

00:39:40   what's the point of that the logs I i [TS]

00:39:41   assume they're just sitting on the [TS]

00:39:42   planet and I actually when we got out of [TS]

00:39:44   the theater I said to Lauren I said I [TS]

00:39:46   hope the next mission goes and gets hard [TS]

00:39:48   drives and brings his logs back how are [TS]

00:39:51   you how was he supposed to how to [TS]

00:39:52   survive on Mars therefore they need to [TS]

00:39:54   have watney's whole you know potatoes [TS]

00:39:57   one primer going but he didn't have [TS]

00:39:58   enough bandwidth to send video file so i [TS]

00:40:00   assume they're just sitting in that in [TS]

00:40:01   that AB just sort of sitting there [TS]

00:40:03   waiting for him [TS]

00:40:04   future generations and he does at the [TS]

00:40:06   beginning of the movie say i'm recording [TS]

00:40:08   this just in case somebody ever comes [TS]

00:40:10   and gets yeah that that was a powerful [TS]

00:40:12   thing both the book and movie i kept [TS]

00:40:14   thinking about that it I felt I felt as [TS]

00:40:16   though it's like that was part of his [TS]

00:40:18   reason for continued to go on beyond you [TS]

00:40:20   know wanting to live knowing that if he [TS]

00:40:22   dies at some point in the future that [TS]

00:40:24   will come back and they won't see [TS]

00:40:25   somebody wrapped in a wrapped in a [TS]

00:40:27   blanket you just sort of gave up and [TS]

00:40:29   decided to start to death you would see [TS]

00:40:31   he work any work any work if not for the [TS]

00:40:33   fact that this piece of fabric that was [TS]

00:40:35   not designed to hold pressure for more [TS]

00:40:37   than 60 days finally blew out after a [TS]

00:40:39   year and he died of asphyxiation [TS]

00:40:41   that was a better way to go mhm at [TS]

00:40:44   getting back to the just the general [TS]

00:40:45   technology on it i mean it feels like [TS]

00:40:47   future history to me not science fiction [TS]

00:40:49   everything feels recognizable today I i [TS]

00:40:55   don't know how many years it's going to [TS]

00:40:56   take for us to get to the level of [TS]

00:40:58   technology that's going to be able to [TS]

00:41:00   put together a hermes and three Ares [TS]

00:41:04   missions and things like that but the [TS]

00:41:06   the technology [TS]

00:41:08   and more importantly I think the [TS]

00:41:10   clothing in the fashion and the-the-the [TS]

00:41:13   Times Square scenes and all that stuff [TS]

00:41:14   it feels like today and I think that [TS]

00:41:17   really works for this movie I think if [TS]

00:41:19   they'd look to star trekky then if they [TS]

00:41:22   done too much work trying to extrapolate [TS]

00:41:24   what their smartphones are going to look [TS]

00:41:28   like then it would have thrown us [TS]

00:41:30   completely out of the movie and it's not [TS]

00:41:31   about us then see Stephen and I have [TS]

00:41:33   talked on liftoff about this a couple of [TS]

00:41:34   times that nASA uses old tech so using [TS]

00:41:37   stuff that feels like our texts today is [TS]

00:41:40   probably accurate because 15 years from [TS]

00:41:43   now or 20 years from now on Mars they're [TS]

00:41:45   not going to be using tech from 2035 [TS]

00:41:48   they're going to be using like 2015 tech [TS]

00:41:50   because there is always good [TS]

00:41:52   it's always yes super tested and [TS]

00:41:54   radiation hard hard and cold and so have [TS]

00:41:57   finder guys had CRT monitors [TS]

00:41:59   yeah that was ok i was gonna I was gonna [TS]

00:42:01   mention i assume that they just keep all [TS]

00:42:02   their hardware in a box somewhere in [TS]

00:42:04   case just for history and they're like [TS]

00:42:07   oh well pull it all out because they [TS]

00:42:08   have the CRT monitors i love that if we [TS]

00:42:10   if we got a VCR the storage we probably [TS]

00:42:13   also plug pulling a composite monitor up [TS]

00:42:16   there to that I like that I like certain [TS]

00:42:18   things like when he's but pulling out [TS]

00:42:20   all the other crewmates stuff in the hab [TS]

00:42:22   they come up this real liquor a [TS]

00:42:24   panasonic like grid laptop this would [TS]

00:42:27   really like the kind you can't like drop [TS]

00:42:28   and variance and dig up again because [TS]

00:42:31   that's it might look different from [TS]

00:42:33   another planet exactly exactly you want [TS]

00:42:35   something that just can take crap and [TS]

00:42:37   keep on going yeah I have a friend who [TS]

00:42:39   designs hardware for the military and [TS]

00:42:40   he's like dude you're never going to [TS]

00:42:42   have teeny tiny phones for the army yeah [TS]

00:42:44   that's not gonna happen [TS]

00:42:45   it's Nazis it's not physically possible [TS]

00:42:47   yeah i'm not a techie person so most of [TS]

00:42:50   that didn't even really catch my eye but [TS]

00:42:52   the one thing that i did notice was his [TS]

00:42:54   spacesuit all of their spacesuits and [TS]

00:42:56   you know all of my knowledge about [TS]

00:42:57   spacesuits comes from space movies but I [TS]

00:43:00   felt like this looked enough like what i [TS]

00:43:03   was expecting from a spacesuit that it [TS]

00:43:05   did wasn't jarring but it had enough [TS]

00:43:07   sort of tweaks and you know it talk to [TS]

00:43:10   him in his in his helmet and it was just [TS]

00:43:13   futuristic enough to not feel wrong but [TS]

00:43:16   it wasn't so far off that I was like ooh [TS]

00:43:18   shiny zoomy space stuff I got kind of [TS]

00:43:20   distracted by this [TS]

00:43:21   the sheer amount of stuff that everybody [TS]

00:43:23   left behind on that planet and I [TS]

00:43:25   realized that's the nature of space [TS]

00:43:26   missions when you have to blast off in [TS]

00:43:28   the middle of the storm and everything [TS]

00:43:29   and it's super convenient because you [TS]

00:43:31   know Nick wasn't met why don't you pull [TS]

00:43:33   your necklaces mark mark was able to you [TS]

00:43:36   know construct a life until the hat blew [TS]

00:43:38   out and all that but after a while I'm [TS]

00:43:40   like okay so he's got this this this [TS]

00:43:42   cool Rolly thing that's got a crane [TS]

00:43:44   attached to it and there's the there's [TS]

00:43:47   this matter what army of minor robots [TS]

00:43:49   that he's got going on and I found [TS]

00:43:51   myself you know kind of a what is the [TS]

00:43:53   price tag and be do you think they're [TS]

00:43:54   sad about leaving it behind when he goes [TS]

00:43:57   and finds the pathfinder right he's just [TS]

00:43:59   like it's it's just you know it's there [TS]

00:44:01   i mean they drop the heat shield [TS]

00:44:02   throughout the parachute and it's all [TS]

00:44:03   just you know we're littering Mars [TS]

00:44:05   that's part of the deal opinion we're [TS]

00:44:07   going to have to you know eventually [TS]

00:44:08   clean it up but erica is one of the [TS]

00:44:10   things that you mention the pit space 21 [TS]

00:44:11   things i like about this and this goes [TS]

00:44:13   for the movie as a whole is this is a [TS]

00:44:14   space movie but it's a planet movie and [TS]

00:44:17   and I like that because he's not wearing [TS]

00:44:19   a vacuum suit he's wearing a spacesuit [TS]

00:44:23   but he's you know he's got gravity and [TS]

00:44:25   there is the atmosphere atmosphere and [TS]

00:44:27   it's not quite so he doesn't have to be [TS]

00:44:29   a big blown up kind of like you know one [TS]

00:44:31   man spaceship kind of thing like that [TS]

00:44:33   like a space space suit of that he's [TS]

00:44:35   basically just forever it's not for the [TS]

00:44:36   back yesterday and that also because and [TS]

00:44:38   and so although space can be portrayed [TS]

00:44:41   beautifully and in movies and we've seen [TS]

00:44:42   it in gravity for at for example it's [TS]

00:44:45   it's nice that that he not only are we [TS]

00:44:47   faking other than on the Hermes were not [TS]

00:44:49   faking zero-gravity we've got gravity [TS]

00:44:51   because we're on Mars and we've got [TS]

00:44:52   vistas we've got dirt and we've got [TS]

00:44:55   hills and we've got mountains and that [TS]

00:44:57   and more secure and right and Mars is a [TS]

00:44:59   character in the movie too and I think [TS]

00:45:00   that that's another thing that makes it [TS]

00:45:02   a great movie and is an astronaut coming [TS]

00:45:05   to consciousness half buried in sand and [TS]

00:45:07   pulling himself out of Martian sand dune [TS]

00:45:10   yeah that is a strong it's pretty good [TS]

00:45:12   the storms and that's Kyle of seeing I [TS]

00:45:14   love see how fast the clouds kept moving [TS]

00:45:16   overhead and because it made the sky [TS]

00:45:18   looks ugly alien and i love the storms [TS]

00:45:21   and floods would remind me that the [TS]

00:45:23   Martian haboob so don't think that I'm a [TS]

00:45:26   little bit distracted by is you know as [TS]

00:45:29   the whole reason the potato farm goes [TS]

00:45:30   kaput is because of course it's flash [TS]

00:45:32   frozen and all the bacteria and kill [TS]

00:45:34   and so he pulls up his potatoes and he [TS]

00:45:35   runs away and i found myself wondering [TS]

00:45:37   what is this what one of those potatoes [TS]

00:45:39   gonna look like if there's no organic [TS]

00:45:41   bacteria or microflora to break them [TS]

00:45:44   down like is the next mission going to [TS]

00:45:45   come back and find them basically in the [TS]

00:45:47   same condition i'm super curious that's [TS]

00:45:50   all freeze-dried yeah exactly that next [TS]

00:45:53   the next person to get lost on Mars will [TS]

00:45:54   remember wait a minute but those that [TS]

00:45:56   they should be still cold so they still [TS]

00:45:57   dish still should be edible protein in [TS]

00:45:59   there [TS]

00:46:00   I've got to do is get the sand off of it [TS]

00:46:02   funnily enough that came up into focus [TS]

00:46:03   grouping on this movie and you can use [TS]

00:46:05   them as fertilizer when he put his own [TS]

00:46:07   potatoes you don't have to poop so much [TS]

00:46:08   this great now exactly yes did you yes [TS]

00:46:11   about technology but you don't have one [TS]

00:46:13   before we get off I want to make I want [TS]

00:46:14   to say the one thing that kind of got me [TS]

00:46:15   the-the-the-the star liners I can't [TS]

00:46:20   remember the name of the the quickly [TS]

00:46:21   spacecraft that get it goes from Earth [TS]

00:46:23   to Mars mommy's arms making that goes [TS]

00:46:25   that kept monasteries that that capps [TS]

00:46:29   gets reused for mission after mission [TS]

00:46:30   after mission [TS]

00:46:31   the only thing that's the only thing to [TS]

00:46:33   kind of make me hiccup a little bit was [TS]

00:46:35   that inside it was so uncluttered and so [TS]

00:46:38   clean I i was i was trashed analyzing it [TS]

00:46:41   by saying well this is the kind of like [TS]

00:46:43   a Starliner where they have to live for [TS]

00:46:45   like a year and a half so maybe they [TS]

00:46:47   would say it's worth it for simply the [TS]

00:46:49   psychology of the crew to have some [TS]

00:46:51   relaxation spaces where they don't have [TS]

00:46:53   to keep old good moving past like [TS]

00:46:55   pallets of stuff and then lose cables [TS]

00:46:57   and stuff like that but it's weird and [TS]

00:46:59   after seeing any headers on board so [TS]

00:47:03   it's going to be clean is really no [TS]

00:47:04   matter what I've got some great Mike and [TS]

00:47:06   that's it [TS]

00:47:08   um and Stevens heard before because I [TS]

00:47:10   didn't mention this on liftoff to [TS]

00:47:11   because we brought up this is same point [TS]

00:47:12   Andy here's my headcanon on this which [TS]

00:47:14   is you know open space is not expensive [TS]

00:47:17   to get to space it's full of it [TS]

00:47:20   what's expensive is mass so if they [TS]

00:47:21   assembled the hermes in orbit and it [TS]

00:47:23   came in pieces and I stuck them together [TS]

00:47:25   you know the actual like inside space [TS]

00:47:28   and in fact a lot of people talk about [TS]

00:47:30   doing things that are inflatable spaces [TS]

00:47:32   and in in outer space so it gave me a [TS]

00:47:34   little bit of pause but I think once [TS]

00:47:36   you're building a structure so large [TS]

00:47:37   that you have to assemble it in orbit [TS]

00:47:39   some of the rules of getting it to fit [TS]

00:47:41   in a rocket container go away and so [TS]

00:47:44   that was my that was that was my [TS]

00:47:45   headcanon at least about this [TS]

00:47:47   was saying well you know they put it [TS]

00:47:49   together in space and so they put in the [TS]

00:47:50   shells and they like assembled in the [TS]

00:47:52   end they got all they had to fly into [TS]

00:47:53   space where the outside parts but then [TS]

00:47:55   the inside part is nice and big and [TS]

00:47:57   decide when accepted also it would be [TS]

00:47:59   really awful [TS]

00:48:00   yeah i mean never goes back into Earth [TS]

00:48:01   orbit right i'm assuming there's a [TS]

00:48:03   shuttle that brings a time you don't [TS]

00:48:04   really think so i looked at it so in [TS]

00:48:06   anywheres book and its kind of implied [TS]

00:48:08   the movie that's one of the nice things [TS]

00:48:08   where I think they never violate rules [TS]

00:48:12   they just don't show you the things so [TS]

00:48:15   like if you look for them you can see [TS]

00:48:16   them so it sounds like the army stays in [TS]

00:48:18   orbit around Earth and they and the Ares [TS]

00:48:20   crew transfer on and off but the Hermes [TS]

00:48:23   just stays there and then they use it [TS]

00:48:24   again for the next mission so when they [TS]

00:48:25   launched the crew into orbit they go doc [TS]

00:48:27   with the Hermes and they fueled the [TS]

00:48:29   Hermes and then the Hermes goes to Mars [TS]

00:48:31   and then I tell the criminal this and [TS]

00:48:33   that's the deposit if they don't keep it [TS]

00:48:34   exactly and that's the reason is exactly [TS]

00:48:36   what they said the cleaners up there the [TS]

00:48:37   cleaner yesterday that's just because i [TS]

00:48:39   don't have to use that party to petty [TS]

00:48:40   posters are no holes in the wall so [TS]

00:48:42   whatever the reason and I think it's [TS]

00:48:44   beautiful i really i really like the [TS]

00:48:45   rotating section and the fact that [TS]

00:48:46   they've got the parts that they've got [TS]

00:48:48   gravity and they've got a treadmill and [TS]

00:48:49   you can see you can see out the windows [TS]

00:48:51   that it's those parts are rotating I [TS]

00:48:53   think that's really nice [TS]

00:48:54   we should probably also talked about the [TS]

00:48:55   crew because we haven't talked about [TS]

00:48:57   them and that's the third portion of [TS]

00:48:58   this movie is the crew that has left [TS]

00:49:00   mark behind and is on the long ride home [TS]

00:49:03   to earth where they are mourning their [TS]

00:49:06   their crewmates and then they find out [TS]

00:49:08   that it's it's like worse which is you [TS]

00:49:11   didn't die and they abandoned mine ours [TS]

00:49:13   and then they have to deal with that and [TS]

00:49:16   and in the end date they have to they [TS]

00:49:18   have their own heroic arc that leads to [TS]

00:49:20   a point at the end of the movie we're [TS]

00:49:21   the ones who are the actors and Mark is [TS]

00:49:24   passive and they have to save him and I [TS]

00:49:26   accept that the movie takes a veer [TS]

00:49:28   towards the end and Mark becomes active [TS]

00:49:30   again [TS]

00:49:31   yeah but it's true it's true and we [TS]

00:49:34   could we could we could we could get [TS]

00:49:35   that at the end but but if you've got [TS]

00:49:37   thoughts about the the Hermes crew I [TS]

00:49:38   think now's a good time Stephen I think [TS]

00:49:39   I think they do a good job with the crew [TS]

00:49:41   and and going back [TS]

00:49:42   Oh someone and he said earlier about you [TS]

00:49:45   know we don't see a lot of the cruise [TS]

00:49:46   interaction before the storm and they [TS]

00:49:49   have to abort the mission but we do see [TS]

00:49:52   bits of it but mostly through what his [TS]

00:49:54   eyes so we see his relationship with the [TS]

00:49:56   crew through the way that he interacts [TS]

00:49:58   with what they leave behind which i [TS]

00:50:00   think is [TS]

00:50:00   is is pretty nice but it they get once [TS]

00:50:04   the crew kind of get screen time again [TS]

00:50:07   and and they're they're given the news [TS]

00:50:09   and we start to see them figure out what [TS]

00:50:11   to do and then they decide to to follow [TS]

00:50:13   Donald Glover is crazy [TS]

00:50:17   jpg directions that he sends yeah I i [TS]

00:50:20   think they do a very convincing job that [TS]

00:50:22   is a very tight-knit group and I think [TS]

00:50:25   they do convincingly pretty quickly I [TS]

00:50:29   think one of the most powerful scenes in [TS]

00:50:31   the film is you know they're sitting [TS]

00:50:33   around talking and they say you know [TS]

00:50:34   well you know well we know we we all [TS]

00:50:39   decided to to come are we all left him [TS]

00:50:41   and the commander's like know you were [TS]

00:50:43   following orders [TS]

00:50:44   I decided to leave right and and that i [TS]

00:50:46   think you know sort of her will is bent [TS]

00:50:49   towards saving him because of that [TS]

00:50:51   because of that guilt because of that [TS]

00:50:54   that knowledge that you know ultimately [TS]

00:50:56   was her call and even though it was the [TS]

00:50:59   right call to time it turned out to be [TS]

00:51:01   turned out to be wrong and i like that [TS]

00:51:05   that drive that puts in her and again [TS]

00:51:07   going back to the real stuff i think [TS]

00:51:08   that's a drive that like anyone with [TS]

00:51:10   that sort of makeup of personality and [TS]

00:51:13   determination i would fall in line with [TS]

00:51:16   I think the actors did the best they [TS]

00:51:18   could with some thin material i mean it [TS]

00:51:22   they're not terribly well sketched out [TS]

00:51:24   in the books and so you know kate mara [TS]

00:51:27   and Sebastian Stan and Michael Pena was [TS]

00:51:30   that it [TS]

00:51:30   yeah and the German giant yeah the [TS]

00:51:34   german girl you know he be super like [TS]

00:51:36   they'd be like they basically didn't [TS]

00:51:38   have a whole lot to work with but you [TS]

00:51:39   know kate mara bless her heart like [TS]

00:51:41   really managed to pull off somebody who [TS]

00:51:42   deep down a super secretly nerdy and you [TS]

00:51:46   can tell she's kind of nervous about the [TS]

00:51:48   prospect of like basically breaking the [TS]

00:51:49   NASA ships and hacking all sorts of [TS]

00:51:51   things but she's going to go like [TS]

00:51:52   swallow her misgivings and do it and i [TS]

00:51:55   also like that she also managed to [TS]

00:51:56   convey that she's pretty much a very [TS]

00:51:58   introverted and person needs a lot of [TS]

00:52:00   privacy because that's when the German [TS]

00:52:01   astronaut companies like I'm really [TS]

00:52:02   sorry I'm interrupting your private time [TS]

00:52:04   it wouldn't do this at all and it's [TS]

00:52:06   pretty evident that this is you know [TS]

00:52:08   sort of the continuation of a previous [TS]

00:52:09   previously negotiated boundaries like [TS]

00:52:11   not hostile but like they just noted [TS]

00:52:13   leave her alone shes when she's running [TS]

00:52:15   or whatever so I like that the actors [TS]

00:52:19   did the best think of what they had i [TS]

00:52:22   still feel like it was a little bit thin [TS]

00:52:23   like you know although we know about the [TS]

00:52:25   commander is that she feels very guilty [TS]

00:52:26   about leaving one behind and that she [TS]

00:52:28   really loves disco and by the way the [TS]

00:52:31   German of interest the german dude is [TS]

00:52:32   Norwegian i'll be annoying at germany's [TS]

00:52:34   axel axel heaviest his name sorry [TS]

00:52:36   actually well actually you're fantastic [TS]

00:52:38   and i love that your character had a [TS]

00:52:40   billion children [TS]

00:52:41   uh-huh yeah and that he spent all this [TS]

00:52:43   time blowing bubbles for them i thought [TS]

00:52:45   was kind of interesting that the [TS]

00:52:46   mistakes that she made wasn't leaving [TS]

00:52:48   him behind because i think the case [TS]

00:52:50   could be made that if he hadn't if she [TS]

00:52:52   had not decided okay we gotta go [TS]

00:52:54   the thing with it tipped over there was [TS]

00:52:55   a lot of a ride back to back to her and [TS]

00:52:57   they would all have been stuck there [TS]

00:52:58   yeah I feel like they did everything [TS]

00:53:00   right as a viewer i was i was on their [TS]

00:53:03   side and I felt like they they shouldn't [TS]

00:53:06   have felt as bad as they did you know [TS]

00:53:08   Matt Damon's character he said he says [TS]

00:53:10   you know not their fault i feel like he [TS]

00:53:13   we never got to see it on screen but I [TS]

00:53:15   was kind of hoping that at some point [TS]

00:53:17   they would figure out the fact that they [TS]

00:53:19   would have that they all would have [TS]

00:53:21   probably been dead eventually if they [TS]

00:53:22   hadn't left him and as far as my [TS]

00:53:24   thoughts on the crew [TS]

00:53:25   I wouldn't they definitely weren't [TS]

00:53:27   particularly fleshed out and I wouldn't [TS]

00:53:30   say that they were exactly caricatures [TS]

00:53:32   but I feel like each each one had their [TS]

00:53:36   thing and that was enough to make them [TS]

00:53:38   interesting for to be as a viewer like I [TS]

00:53:40   said the thing that was most interested [TS]

00:53:42   in was mostly what was happening to mark [TS]

00:53:45   Watney on Mars and what what NASA [TS]

00:53:47   specifically was doing to solve the [TS]

00:53:49   problem [TS]

00:53:50   it was nice to get a little bit of [TS]

00:53:52   flavor from you know the massive crowds [TS]

00:53:54   in Times Square and it was nice to get a [TS]

00:53:55   little bit of flavor from the crew that [TS]

00:53:57   is going to you know it's feeling bad [TS]

00:53:59   about it and then trying to save him and [TS]

00:54:01   I appreciate it then as they came in and [TS]

00:54:04   did more towards the end of the film [TS]

00:54:05   then I was more interested in in what [TS]

00:54:08   they were doing but I didn't need [TS]

00:54:10   anymore [TS]

00:54:11   k characterization or backstory on any [TS]

00:54:14   of them I felt like that probably would [TS]

00:54:15   have just drag things down about it was [TS]

00:54:17   all about function in the [TS]

00:54:18   film for Mina when I agree with you [TS]

00:54:20   Erykah although I the the 1i I thought [TS]

00:54:23   they were I thought the characters were [TS]

00:54:25   written well enough for what the movie [TS]

00:54:27   needed to accomplish the one actor I [TS]

00:54:29   didn't think that the role was Jessica [TS]

00:54:32   Chastain I would i think i would have [TS]

00:54:34   liked someone a little older and a [TS]

00:54:36   little more grizzled I thought that she [TS]

00:54:40   was just a little too a little too young [TS]

00:54:43   and glamorous a little too star trekky [TS]

00:54:45   for the for the role I want that it was [TS]

00:54:48   her performance that kind of she seemed [TS]

00:54:50   so not self-assured which was not what i [TS]

00:54:53   would expect from the leader of of a [TS]

00:54:56   mission [TS]

00:54:56   I don't know what why they if the [TS]

00:54:58   characterization is simply because she's [TS]

00:55:00   a woman and she's on screen and we [TS]

00:55:02   expect women to act that way but I don't [TS]

00:55:04   expect a woman to act that way when [TS]

00:55:05   she's in charge of a life-and-death [TS]

00:55:06   mission on Mars so that was a little [TS]

00:55:08   iffy for me Lewis comes across as [TS]

00:55:10   tougher in the book she seems completely [TS]

00:55:11   confident I I think what I would say is [TS]

00:55:14   the movie really wants us and this is to [TS]

00:55:16   give her also to give her an angle in an [TS]

00:55:18   arc that movie really wants us to feel [TS]

00:55:20   her guilt about this and i gotta say if [TS]

00:55:23   you imagine like Apollo 13 or something [TS]

00:55:26   like that right there going to feel bad [TS]

00:55:28   but they're also going to realize that [TS]

00:55:31   they did everything they could and that [TS]

00:55:33   they all signed up for this knowing it [TS]

00:55:35   was dangerous and that their chief job [TS]

00:55:37   is to get home and so I I look at that [TS]

00:55:40   and think I end and I don't think it's [TS]

00:55:43   because it's a woman character but i [TS]

00:55:46   think it is that the movie needed her to [TS]

00:55:50   be tormented in a way that I think a [TS]

00:55:53   real astronaut wouldn't be I think they [TS]

00:55:56   would be more professional and maybe [TS]

00:55:57   like you know I feel really bad about [TS]

00:55:59   this and now i'm really glad that he's [TS]

00:56:00   not dead but we did everything we needed [TS]

00:56:02   to and now we've got the opportunity to [TS]

00:56:04   go back and save him of course we're all [TS]

00:56:05   going to volunteer because we're [TS]

00:56:06   astronauts I don't think they needed [TS]

00:56:07   guilt and remorse there was that famous [TS]

00:56:11   mercury so that's good [TS]

00:56:13   the Gemini's spacewalk where my camera [TS]

00:56:17   who is the commander but I think head [TS]

00:56:19   was doing a spacewalk and the the [TS]

00:56:21   commander who was too as a in setting [TS]

00:56:24   the spacecraft and there's an interview [TS]

00:56:25   later on reason many 20 years later was [TS]

00:56:28   talking about how you know it the they [TS]

00:56:31   his orders from NASA and training work [TS]

00:56:33   if it had white like suffocates or [TS]

00:56:35   something and dies at the end the [TS]

00:56:37   umbilical cord to do the best he can to [TS]

00:56:39   like real the body in and like and can [TS]

00:56:41   bring the body home and he said later [TS]

00:56:43   out that I had no intention of ever [TS]

00:56:45   doing that because you know there's that [TS]

00:56:47   there's it for me to rescue him even as [TS]

00:56:49   it is a dead body i'm going to use I [TS]

00:56:51   mean he's in a pressurized suit I'm [TS]

00:56:53   gonna have to move it's hard to get into [TS]

00:56:55   the spacecraft even on land when the [TS]

00:56:57   when you've got a living put your living [TS]

00:56:58   person so what am I gonna do I'm gonna [TS]

00:57:00   try to re-enter with us with him [TS]

00:57:02   dragging behind me know I would die I [TS]

00:57:04   would probably try to asphyxiate [TS]

00:57:05   probably overheating 68 trying to get [TS]

00:57:07   him back in the spacecraft it would have [TS]

00:57:09   been just as you said it would have been [TS]

00:57:11   terrible i would have felt horrible [TS]

00:57:12   about it but I would have had no problem [TS]

00:57:14   cutting him loose and then then shutting [TS]

00:57:17   the catch and going back and they they [TS]

00:57:18   started and on on that characterization [TS]

00:57:20   of her like at the beginning before she [TS]

00:57:22   even had any guilt when they were trying [TS]

00:57:23   to decide whether or not they should [TS]

00:57:25   abandon the haves and scrub the mission [TS]

00:57:26   she was that was the the first moment [TS]

00:57:28   that I had a problem with her character [TS]

00:57:30   because she was so indecisive and showed [TS]

00:57:33   it [TS]

00:57:34   I don't have a problem with the [TS]

00:57:35   character being indecisive i have a [TS]

00:57:37   problem with the commander of a mission [TS]

00:57:38   showing how indecisive they are before [TS]

00:57:40   they make their decision if they have [TS]

00:57:42   shown her is being a little more overtly [TS]

00:57:44   ambitious or posterity conscious i could [TS]

00:57:47   have almost bought that cuz you know she [TS]

00:57:49   would have gone down as the first [TS]

00:57:50   commander to lose somebody a Martian [TS]

00:57:52   mission and if there was an element of [TS]

00:57:54   stung pride and and I don't want to be [TS]

00:57:57   associated with his story as it is stark [TS]

00:57:59   failure i would have understood [TS]

00:58:00   motivation a little bit better but like [TS]

00:58:02   I concur with her and she was kind of [TS]

00:58:04   the least steely minded and everybody [TS]

00:58:06   contact mission and she's the one [TS]

00:58:07   leaving it for him like the only time [TS]

00:58:09   her character really redeemed yourself [TS]

00:58:11   was one she's she's like well how long [TS]

00:58:13   until we meet Watney as he hurdle [TS]

00:58:15   through space in his convertible I don't [TS]

00:58:17   like 37 minutes just like we have 37 [TS]

00:58:19   minutes to solve this problem let's work [TS]

00:58:20   it and I was like okay freaking finally [TS]

00:58:23   you know about little people put people [TS]

00:58:26   who didn't like that the charge of space [TS]

00:58:27   missions like this but I think the movie [TS]

00:58:29   wanted us to I get why the movie does it [TS]

00:58:31   but I i didn't i didn't really like it [TS]

00:58:34   and I kind of wanted to be I wanted to [TS]

00:58:36   be like when like when Tom Hanks Jim [TS]

00:58:38   level says we just lost the moon right [TS]

00:58:40   it's that moment of like we spent you [TS]

00:58:42   know what you're getting here [TS]

00:58:44   going to pick a year to get back we're [TS]

00:58:45   supposed to be here for 30 days and we [TS]

00:58:47   have to leave right now and that's [TS]

00:58:48   terrible but we have to do it we just [TS]

00:58:50   have to do it and it's terrible and [TS]

00:58:51   let's just move on to the next thing i [TS]

00:58:52   want to i want to see the disappointment [TS]

00:58:54   i can i can see but 22 waiver and then [TS]

00:58:57   to beat yourself up when you know you [TS]

00:58:59   did everything you possibly could it [TS]

00:59:01   yeah that part I could've done without [TS]

00:59:03   it's a fine jessica chastain performance [TS]

00:59:05   because like she does she does [TS]

00:59:06   indecisive and frail and and delivery [TS]

00:59:09   and women finding her way like that's [TS]

00:59:10   kind of our stock-in-trade she's very [TS]

00:59:12   good job with it and everything I've [TS]

00:59:13   seen but it would have been nice if they [TS]

00:59:15   had had somebody cast in that role who [TS]

00:59:18   would have not been indecisive so much [TS]

00:59:21   as they were like I made a bad call and [TS]

00:59:23   I'm still trying to live with it and I [TS]

00:59:25   don't know how to because i haven't been [TS]

00:59:26   trained for this like we've talked this [TS]

00:59:28   whole podcast about you know though the [TS]

00:59:30   right stuff in the astronaut mentality [TS]

00:59:31   and things like that and it would have [TS]

00:59:33   been a more interesting story for that [TS]

00:59:34   character if it had been somebody who's [TS]

00:59:36   like I can't live with this decision [TS]

00:59:38   I've made and I don't have the tool [TS]

00:59:40   steel this because it simply outside of [TS]

00:59:42   the toolbox that nASA has given me sure [TS]

00:59:43   you know I would have liked to have seen [TS]

00:59:45   that as opposed to you know Elliot like [TS]

00:59:48   to guilt and all that yeah you know [TS]

00:59:51   again Jessica Chastain's a fine actress [TS]

00:59:52   I'm not sure she was the right actors [TS]

00:59:53   for this role but she was okay in it [TS]

00:59:56   I you know I think she did exactly what [TS]

00:59:58   needs to be done with the part is it [TS]

00:59:58   needs to be done with the part is it [TS]

01:00:00   it was written and I think she maybe [TS]

01:00:01   could have done perfectly fine job if it [TS]

01:00:03   made that character a little more [TS]

01:00:04   stealing but they until the end they [TS]

01:00:06   didn't some what else but we've been [TS]

01:00:11   we've been talking for a while now I'm [TS]

01:00:12   just curious if there are their subjects [TS]

01:00:14   this is the wild card round other things [TS]

01:00:16   where you got that wasn't the end up at [TS]

01:00:18   the end at the ending [TS]

01:00:20   alright that's that's the one there are [TS]

01:00:22   two things I really didn't like about it [TS]

01:00:24   because there's a I liked it I liked [TS]

01:00:26   about how in the book there's a point at [TS]

01:00:28   which well what he's been doing it [TS]

01:00:30   nothing but he's first completely one [TS]

01:00:32   hundred percent responsible for his own [TS]

01:00:33   survival and everything but now there's [TS]

01:00:36   a point where he just has to sit and [TS]

01:00:37   trust his crewmates and hope that [TS]

01:00:39   everything works out okay that's the [TS]

01:00:41   idea a the idea of having to make him [TS]

01:00:44   i'm an active part of his own rescue I [TS]

01:00:48   don't think I don't think it's as [TS]

01:00:49   powerful as just letting him like after [TS]

01:00:51   after what was like the after several [TS]

01:00:55   years of not having to trust anybody [TS]

01:00:58   else but himself to let go and trust [TS]

01:01:00   that things are going to that people [TS]

01:01:01   going to take care of things that would [TS]

01:01:03   have been a little bit more tense a [TS]

01:01:04   little bit more interesting and then the [TS]

01:01:06   idea of that we've I'm not as i'm not a [TS]

01:01:08   scientist I can't say whether the [TS]

01:01:10   science up to that point was accurate or [TS]

01:01:12   not people that I've heard talk about [TS]

01:01:14   this you do know what they're talking [TS]

01:01:15   about speak very positively about it so [TS]

01:01:17   I haven't heard neil degrasse tyson so [TS]

01:01:19   these but i'm still waiting for him to [TS]

01:01:20   be the party pooper but see about the [TS]

01:01:22   idea of oh I know I'll puncture my suit [TS]

01:01:25   like iron man and i'll be able to direct [TS]

01:01:27   myself and then like this that getting [TS]

01:01:29   tangled up with this huge tether and not [TS]

01:01:32   dying horribly because you're now [TS]

01:01:35   hopelessly tangled and you can actually [TS]

01:01:36   do anything [TS]

01:01:37   those are the things that unfortunately [TS]

01:01:39   you can't make a big mistake like the [TS]

01:01:42   last 10 minutes of the movie because in [TS]

01:01:44   10 minutes you're back at your car and [TS]

01:01:46   you've got a 45-minute drive home to [TS]

01:01:48   think about how much you didn't buy [TS]

01:01:50   those two things was that and the book [TS]

01:01:52   was the Iron Man Thing in the book at [TS]

01:01:54   all it was not known I I not surprised [TS]

01:01:57   it felt so Hollywood exactly the word I [TS]

01:02:01   was looking at and I mean I was I was ok [TS]

01:02:03   with it just for you know because by [TS]

01:02:05   that time I was so pumped up with the [TS]

01:02:06   adrenaline of thinking he's gonna get [TS]

01:02:08   saved but I i think it in retrospect i [TS]

01:02:11   would have liked it better [TS]

01:02:13   way and he said it with without that [TS]

01:02:14   Hollywood moment and in seeing more of a [TS]

01:02:17   character-based moment [TS]

01:02:18   yeah I would too i really i really don't [TS]

01:02:21   don't care for that scene in the movie [TS]

01:02:23   in mckinney imagine if it goes wrong and [TS]

01:02:25   you know you you last on Mars for so [TS]

01:02:27   long [TS]

01:02:28   eating potatoes gonna poop and then you [TS]

01:02:29   die 40 yards from the ship that would [TS]

01:02:32   really be a different movie at that [TS]

01:02:34   point would put it would have a word [TS]

01:02:37   Hertzog movie [TS]

01:02:38   yeah yeah yes but I was miles out of the [TS]

01:02:41   room silently get in their cars weeping [TS]

01:02:43   to put it but it is but it is all [TS]

01:02:46   manipulated to give us that Hollywood [TS]

01:02:48   ending with matt damon rescued by [TS]

01:02:51   jessica chastain regions are some of the [TS]

01:02:53   problems with temptation moment it's not [TS]

01:02:55   and it's not her in the book and it's [TS]

01:02:57   not [TS]

01:02:58   yeah there's no tether in the book it's [TS]

01:03:00   it's it is a pure doc right yeah now it [TS]

01:03:03   works so much better in the book and [TS]

01:03:04   there's a whole past about how he hasn't [TS]

01:03:06   shared in here [TS]

01:03:07   yeah but they're there is yeah you're [TS]

01:03:08   right this is the this is the Hollywood [TS]

01:03:10   whether it's the executives or whether [TS]

01:03:12   it's really Scott it's a meeting where [TS]

01:03:14   they said that we needed to be more [TS]

01:03:16   exciting than that [TS]

01:03:17   the amazing thing about this movie [TS]

01:03:18   though is that for all for all my [TS]

01:03:21   complaints with that last those last 10 [TS]

01:03:23   minutes [TS]

01:03:23   Hollywood did surprisingly little damage [TS]

01:03:26   to the book [TS]

01:03:27   yeah yeah this is true they kept in the [TS]

01:03:29   good stuff and and actually improved on [TS]

01:03:32   the book not what I won't say that but [TS]

01:03:34   they take out a couple of the crisis [TS]

01:03:37   moments that what he has on his way from [TS]

01:03:40   the hab to the math and it wouldn't have [TS]

01:03:45   added anything to the movie to have [TS]

01:03:47   those scenes back in there because it [TS]

01:03:49   would have been just two more crises to [TS]

01:03:52   overcome and the movie would have been [TS]

01:03:54   just way too long i don't know if they [TS]

01:03:55   were shot I don't know if there's going [TS]

01:03:56   to be a peter jackson version of this on [TS]

01:03:59   blu-ray 12 hours long it'sit's see [TS]

01:04:02   exactly it's like but it's long i didn't [TS]

01:04:04   miss those moments too much I didn't [TS]

01:04:06   miss the fact that he he loses he loses [TS]

01:04:08   contact with earth and there's the whole [TS]

01:04:10   like how is he going to drive around i [TS]

01:04:11   mean literally part of the book as he [TS]

01:04:13   drives the storm and it's like there's a [TS]

01:04:15   point the movie where they quite wisely [TS]

01:04:17   say okay this is the most exciting stuff [TS]

01:04:19   that happens we're going to get to the [TS]

01:04:20   end where he's in the rocket and we're [TS]

01:04:22   gonna say eight months pass and he's [TS]

01:04:23   gotten there [TS]

01:04:24   and I think that was a good call because [TS]

01:04:26   I feel like the pace of this movie is [TS]

01:04:29   very good where he's got one problem [TS]

01:04:32   after another and they leave to that [TS]

01:04:33   conclusion and honestly if they had done [TS]

01:04:35   the driving around the dust storm thing [TS]

01:04:37   i would have been so frustrated really [TS]

01:04:38   get let's get to it so and they did that [TS]

01:04:41   I i think they made many many very good [TS]

01:04:43   decisions in how to tell a 220 story [TS]

01:04:46   from from out of a book you got to think [TS]

01:04:49   about how this book was written where it [TS]

01:04:50   was see realized we're really every [TS]

01:04:52   chapter hero pretty much had a short [TS]

01:04:54   story in and of itself that ends with a [TS]

01:04:56   big punch and gives you something to [TS]

01:04:58   wait for the next chapter and that's [TS]

01:05:00   certainly not going to work when you're [TS]

01:05:01   you gotta that's gonna be sitting there [TS]

01:05:03   for two hours meant for two hours seen [TS]

01:05:06   the entire thing from start to finish i [TS]

01:05:07   love i love the dust storm stuff in the [TS]

01:05:09   book because it showed off not just how [TS]

01:05:11   his intestinal fortitude but he is a [TS]

01:05:14   damn smart son of a gun to figure out [TS]

01:05:17   how do I figure out where the dust storm [TS]

01:05:19   is coming from well I'll lay out the [TS]

01:05:21   solar solar panels and the end of its [TS]

01:05:23   specific grid and then calculate how [TS]

01:05:26   much dust how much the bye-bye how much [TS]

01:05:28   dust is settling on each one of them and [TS]

01:05:30   what they're for how much energy is [TS]

01:05:32   being produced by each one of them i can [TS]

01:05:33   figure out what direction is coming from [TS]

01:05:35   that's not a that's not really easy [TS]

01:05:37   thing to communicate visually so yeah it [TS]

01:05:39   was good [TS]

01:05:39   good stuff to skip i think i think the [TS]

01:05:42   movie improves the book as well in the [TS]

01:05:43   sort of some of those chapters really [TS]

01:05:46   get bogged down and technical detail and [TS]

01:05:49   and that that's fun to read the book [TS]

01:05:51   even in the book there couple chapters [TS]

01:05:52   and Mike come on Mike let's get going [TS]

01:05:55   again but a you you can't you can't do [TS]

01:05:58   that in the film right you can have 20 [TS]

01:06:00   minutes explaining the the intricate [TS]

01:06:03   details of this or that and that they [TS]

01:06:05   gloss over that at parts in in the movie [TS]

01:06:07   i think it's a fine trade-off [TS]

01:06:09   I really hope that both the book and the [TS]

01:06:11   movie start getting incorporated into [TS]

01:06:12   high school middle school curricula [TS]

01:06:14   we're totally because you think [TS]

01:06:16   afterwards took because you think about [TS]

01:06:18   the that all basically all of the [TS]

01:06:21   chemistry experiments and all the [TS]

01:06:22   physics calculations that casually get [TS]

01:06:24   done and it would be just such a great [TS]

01:06:26   way to pull people in Sao you think this [TS]

01:06:29   has no application real-life well you [TS]

01:06:31   know let's let's work the problem like [TS]

01:06:32   these guys did let's see if the math in [TS]

01:06:34   the book like people like nothing more [TS]

01:06:35   than trying to prove science-fiction [TS]

01:06:37   writers wrong when it comes [TS]

01:06:38   so the science of the tech and like this [TS]

01:06:40   is just a great educational opportunity [TS]

01:06:41   for teachers go okay let's see if they [TS]

01:06:43   did their homework and and have the kids [TS]

01:06:45   work it out and then write the offer to [TS]

01:06:46   tell one another right around i think [TS]

01:06:48   that's one of the two reasons that the [TS]

01:06:50   book and movie have been so popular you [TS]

01:06:52   know people people are there's a lot of [TS]

01:06:55   interest in stem education there's a lot [TS]

01:06:58   of you know and this is this is [TS]

01:07:01   science-based problem solving that is [TS]

01:07:05   compulsively readable and watchable so [TS]

01:07:08   there's that there's also a em with a at [TS]

01:07:12   the risk of getting a little political [TS]

01:07:13   it's this is a time when a lot of people [TS]

01:07:16   in the US [TS]

01:07:18   maybe particular are feeling D powered [TS]

01:07:21   and depersonalized and at the mercy of [TS]

01:07:24   forces beyond their control government [TS]

01:07:27   government's choosing their voters [TS]

01:07:29   instead of voters choosing their [TS]

01:07:30   governments and things like that and [TS]

01:07:31   here we have a story about one guy in an [TS]

01:07:35   impossible situation where the [TS]

01:07:37   environment is entirely unforgiving he [TS]

01:07:40   has no help [TS]

01:07:42   it's a no-win situation any manages to [TS]

01:07:44   win and I think that's just that that's [TS]

01:07:47   aimed at smith for our time stuff i [TS]

01:07:51   think one and showing in a while [TS]

01:07:53   this is this is also instead of [TS]

01:07:56   reminiscing about the the Apollo program [TS]

01:07:58   right this is look at where we could be [TS]

01:08:01   going and I think sending the message of [TS]

01:08:03   like this is where our space program is [TS]

01:08:05   trying to take us and it we would get [TS]

01:08:07   there a lot faster if it was funded by [TS]

01:08:09   the way [TS]

01:08:10   yeah that perhaps that you know this [TS]

01:08:12   this is why we do this this is this [TS]

01:08:14   indomitable spirit of exploration that [TS]

01:08:16   you know it that spending money on space [TS]

01:08:19   is a it is not throwing the money down [TS]

01:08:22   the drain and these are the you know [TS]

01:08:23   these sort of reasons and yes this was [TS]

01:08:25   an accident it was all that but we all [TS]

01:08:26   pull together and people cared and [TS]

01:08:28   brought the world together and wouldn't [TS]

01:08:30   that be isn't this a way for us as [TS]

01:08:31   humanity to to move forward into the [TS]

01:08:34   future you know it it definitely has [TS]

01:08:36   that that that optimistic streak in [TS]

01:08:39   spades and that's one of the great [TS]

01:08:41   things about it satisfies your rugged [TS]

01:08:42   individualists and your collective is [TS]

01:08:44   because it's a combination of matt damon [TS]

01:08:47   and survival skills which ever getting [TS]

01:08:49   it [TS]

01:08:49   journalism and and NASA working together [TS]

01:08:52   to help and the Hermes crew working [TS]

01:08:54   together to solve the problem using [TS]

01:08:56   science because science is important [TS]

01:08:58   yes they work the problem everybody [TS]

01:09:00   works in their own way i love it [TS]

01:09:02   religion too hehe Martinez crucifix was [TS]

01:09:04   a very important thing [TS]

01:09:06   yes treasures and skins on fire was yeah [TS]

01:09:09   that was actually very nice scene was [TS]

01:09:10   like at you wouldn't mind right now is [TS]

01:09:12   like like I know this is terrible but I [TS]

01:09:15   have to do this to survive and I thought [TS]

01:09:16   that was a sweet little little little [TS]

01:09:18   mom [TS]

01:09:19   alright well I think we have a reach the [TS]

01:09:22   end of our time together talking about [TS]

01:09:24   the Martian but we did but we all liked [TS]

01:09:26   it right we all liked it yeah i mean i [TS]

01:09:28   know i have is quite lukewarm about a [TS]

01:09:31   number of things but but for now but for [TS]

01:09:33   all that I really really enjoyed the [TS]

01:09:36   movie [TS]

01:09:36   I mean I they give it a big thumbs up [TS]

01:09:38   button and I and I liked it so I don't [TS]

01:09:40   want anybody to think i'm too grumpy [TS]

01:09:42   about it you know [TS]

01:09:44   well it's my favorite it's my favorite [TS]

01:09:46   movie figure suffer yeah i really i [TS]

01:09:48   really liked it and I thought it honored [TS]

01:09:49   the book and Erica I command I I still [TS]

01:09:52   come in the book to you if you enjoy [TS]

01:09:54   this I think it's a I think it's a real [TS]

01:09:56   page-turner i was planning on reading [TS]

01:09:57   anyway after hearing what you guys had [TS]

01:09:59   to say about it i am even more excited [TS]

01:10:01   to read it I read it in one night [TS]

01:10:03   like I said until two thirty in the [TS]

01:10:04   morning to read it and I'm not under ok [TS]

01:10:07   sleeps so you know that maybe not if i'm [TS]

01:10:09   not going to start it right now [TS]

01:10:11   no like clear clear clear some time on [TS]

01:10:13   your schedule get a snack [TS]

01:10:15   you'll get really hungry while you're [TS]

01:10:16   reading it to the way back for potato [TS]

01:10:19   between my god i just i was just really [TS]

01:10:23   i'm just still really curious about how [TS]

01:10:25   like if you didn't read the book did it [TS]

01:10:29   all make sense to you and if you and how [TS]

01:10:35   was the experience like if you of course [TS]

01:10:37   you can avoid seeing the trailers like [TS]

01:10:39   it's at the top of the show I was really [TS]

01:10:41   really lucky I I i truly knew nothing [TS]

01:10:45   about the story for all I knew was about [TS]

01:10:47   a magical cult of Martians that are in [TS]

01:10:50   dallas-fort worth and start of about a [TS]

01:10:53   dry-goods business i had no idea and so [TS]

01:10:55   the first page was am it was magic and i [TS]

01:10:58   still remember [TS]

01:10:59   after Chapter after Chapter after [TS]

01:11:01   Chapter of its just first-person [TS]

01:11:03   narrative and then I do flip the page of [TS]

01:11:05   my kindle and now we're we're back on [TS]

01:11:08   earth and what I'm hearing other voices [TS]

01:11:09   like what the hell [TS]

01:11:11   and then the first page where they [TS]

01:11:13   figure out there and he's alive I almost [TS]

01:11:14   in the middle of the coffee shop was [TS]

01:11:16   like doing a list of topics [TS]

01:11:17   yes there's a possibility he's gonna [TS]

01:11:20   make it so i'm really curious to see [TS]

01:11:23   what it's like to see that movie [TS]

01:11:24   knowing that knowing what the story is [TS]

01:11:26   about and also not having that really [TS]

01:11:28   deep narrative of here is everything [TS]

01:11:30   that's going to explain it to you step [TS]

01:11:32   by step by step [TS]

01:11:33   well I thought with phil i managed to of [TS]

01:11:36   what i did manage to avoid the trailers [TS]

01:11:37   I knew that Matt Damon was in it so I [TS]

01:11:39   knew he was an astronaut and he was [TS]

01:11:41   going to be on Mars but that was pretty [TS]

01:11:43   much all I knew [TS]

01:11:44   oh I didn't have any trouble following [TS]

01:11:46   anything in a I maybe didn't get quite [TS]

01:11:48   the same level of discovery but I [TS]

01:11:50   enjoyed it all fresh and new quite a bit [TS]

01:11:54   my boss is the superintendent of a urban [TS]

01:11:56   School District and I pushed him to see [TS]

01:11:58   the movie and he went and cold and he [TS]

01:12:00   thoroughly enjoyed it [TS]

01:12:02   my thirteen-year-old went to see the [TS]

01:12:05   movie but I showed him the trailer and [TS]

01:12:08   it got his attention so quickly i saw an [TS]

01:12:11   opportunity and seized it and I push the [TS]

01:12:13   book in front of him he devoured the [TS]

01:12:15   book in like three days and he saw that [TS]

01:12:20   he thought the movie was his favorite [TS]

01:12:22   movie of all time [TS]

01:12:23   well I chose to play my trust to [TS]

01:12:24   somebody who never read science fiction [TS]

01:12:26   and you know probably and would probably [TS]

01:12:28   make it like that's why part of his [TS]

01:12:29   moral code by this point and you know he [TS]

01:12:32   tagged along with the nerd posse and [TS]

01:12:34   Phil had no problem whatsoever [TS]

01:12:37   following the story and he enjoyed the [TS]

01:12:40   movie and his only criticism was he felt [TS]

01:12:41   the disco diffuse the tension he would [TS]

01:12:43   have liked it if he had been so tense [TS]

01:12:44   that his children road near his ears by [TS]

01:12:46   the end of it because it's you know no I [TS]

01:12:49   i know that was my thought was like no [TS]

01:12:51   but and you can actually make the [TS]

01:12:53   argument that the disco the defusing [TS]

01:12:55   tensions process the astronauts keep [TS]

01:12:57   from snapping in situations like this a [TS]

01:12:58   bad time but now Phil's biggest [TS]

01:13:00   complaint was he thought it needed more [TS]

01:13:02   attention and but other than that he's [TS]

01:13:04   like it was ripping bergen story he [TS]

01:13:06   liked the ending even [TS]

01:13:08   he liked all the sequences he thought [TS]

01:13:10   Matt Damon did a fine job and he's never [TS]

01:13:13   gonna he's never going to read the book [TS]

01:13:14   but he was like look at a decent movie [TS]

01:13:16   you know [TS]

01:13:17   yeah i think it's basically a summary [TS]

01:13:19   movies and face uh-huh and one real [TS]

01:13:22   quick let drive-by [TS]

01:13:23   yep 3d it was actually a really good 3d [TS]

01:13:26   yeah I wanted me to d i do the 2d if I [TS]

01:13:29   can't just storm is amazing oh god oh [TS]

01:13:32   sorry I was so thirsty through the whole [TS]

01:13:34   movie though [TS]

01:13:35   well I didn't do anything to drink [TS]

01:13:36   because i don't have to leave and go to [TS]

01:13:38   the bathroom halfway through its purple [TS]

01:13:39   i went in with like no food and no drink [TS]

01:13:42   and I was just so thirsty the whole time [TS]

01:13:43   it's like 14 to my watch Lawrence of [TS]

01:13:45   Arabia I always have to look at glass of [TS]

01:13:46   water next guess so [TS]

01:13:48   so dusty so dry and dusty on Mars [TS]

01:13:50   they're driving you're absolutely right [TS]

01:13:52   the 3d works because it's used to [TS]

01:13:54   provide depth it doesn't send anything [TS]

01:13:57   out into your face [TS]

01:13:58   exactly alright let me uh we're gonna [TS]

01:14:00   wrap it up but i wanna thank everybody [TS]

01:14:02   for seeing the movie again very rare [TS]

01:14:04   that we do the see it in theaters and [TS]

01:14:06   it's a scheduling nightmare and this was [TS]

01:14:07   a scheduling nightmare too but we made [TS]

01:14:09   happen unfortunately problems with way I [TS]

01:14:11   work the problem that's right thank you [TS]

01:14:13   Lisa [TS]

01:14:14   that's right like a like a podcasting [TS]

01:14:15   astronaut and I work the problem so we [TS]

01:14:18   saw it and I'm glad we did and why we [TS]

01:14:19   talked about it so i would like to thank [TS]

01:14:21   my guests now that's all that's left for [TS]

01:14:22   me to do indian taco [TS]

01:14:24   thank you Jason you are a steely-eyed [TS]

01:14:26   missile and thank you very much chips [TS]

01:14:29   other thank you i'm going to go listen [TS]

01:14:31   to my a vinyl now [TS]

01:14:33   well said erica and sign thanks for [TS]

01:14:35   being here thank you i was i was gonna [TS]

01:14:38   go and have some uh some vicodin on my [TS]

01:14:40   potatoes and then I remembered and [TS]

01:14:41   Canada we don't have like it in there [TS]

01:14:42   just drink some water [TS]

01:14:44   le schmeiser thank you i'm stunned by [TS]

01:14:47   the news canada doesn't have like it and [TS]

01:14:49   you people have coding your thailand [TS]

01:14:50   lucky to have liked it [TS]

01:14:51   oh I know we've got hit I've got coding [TS]

01:14:53   all over the place in this house right [TS]

01:14:54   now but I have limits it's because all [TS]

01:14:57   the coding can't look like it and [TS]

01:15:01   Stephen Hackett thank you for joining us [TS]

01:15:03   it was nice to hear your voice I'm glad [TS]

01:15:05   there wasn't a 40-minute delay between [TS]

01:15:06   yeah not this time [TS]

01:15:09   nice again [TS]

01:15:10   maybe next time and thanks to everybody [TS]

01:15:11   out there for listening to be [TS]

01:15:13   uncomfortable [TS]

01:15:14   we'll see you next week [TS]

01:15:36   hi the music's over and yet you stayed [TS]

01:15:41   and so I just want to tell you there are [TS]

01:15:44   some other podcast at the uncomfortable [TS]

01:15:45   you might want to check out total party [TS]

01:15:48   kills in the midst of its shocktober [TS]

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01:16:13   and it's a lot of fun so check that out [TS]

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01:16:19   recently added a compilation of all of [TS]

01:16:22   the conversations my curly has with me [TS]

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01:16:27   we're on our tech podcast so if you [TS]

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01:16:30   haven't listened to those segments [TS]

01:16:32   you should check it out it's called mike [TS]

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01:16:39   you can also find all these things on [TS]

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01:16:44   using right now and we're all fine [TS]

01:16:45   podcaster sold thanks [TS]