The Incomparable

00:00:02 ◼   ► the incomparable number 260 a October [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► welcome back everybody to the [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► incomparable we are here talking about [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► this is one of our reps pc people write [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► to me and they say are you going to talk [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► about this movie that just was in [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► theaters and I say no probably not be [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► very rarely talk about a movie that's [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► just in theaters because it's hard to [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► get everybody together and have [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► everybody have seen it and still have a [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► conversation while it's still remotely [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► in the the sphere of movies that people [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► are actually talking about but we did it [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► this time [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► so this is an aberration this isn't a [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► regular feature but we did just hot [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► let's go all go see the Martian not [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► together we saw its up with Avila [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► separately but now we have come together [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► to talk about the Martian the major [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► motion picture starring matt damon and [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► many many many many many other people [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► let me introduce my fine panel of five [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► guests that I brought here all of whom [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► have seen the Martian i really hope if [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► somebody says they haven't seen the [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► Martians i'm going to be very [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► disappointed [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► why are you so join me and Enoch oh hi [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► Andy [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► well basically were all thank you thank [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► you [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► well done chip sudderth is here [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► hi chip Mars i can't believe i'm back on [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► mars three times before this place [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► almost killed me [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► I swore I'd never give it another chance [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► to finish the job [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► humans got no business being here no [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► business at all very nice those Babylon [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► 5 reference by the way everybody and so [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► that now i'll introduce a chip someone [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► shoots co-host from the bodyguard to [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► Babylon 5 podcast it's erica and sign [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► hello hello I did watch the Martian [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► although it's been almost a week so [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► we'll see how much a driver [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► alright well we'll test you Lisa [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► Schmeisser is also with us Lisa reading [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► science that we weave we very well may [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► and joining us for the first time on the [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► uncomfortable it's my co-host from the [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► liftoff podcast a fortnightly podcast [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► about space things and one of the [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► cofounders of real afm we did a whole [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► episode about the Martian but you know [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► what it wasn't enough so we're going to [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► talk about it some more [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► it's stephen Hackett hello hey I've been [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► eating potatoes for week-and-a-half [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► preparation and it's have you run out of [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► ketchup is the question I did have you [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► been have you rest of vicodin idea [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► really ready to podcast now so now that [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► you've got the vicodin vicodin potatoes [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► ease the pain right and carbs and [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► narcotics before we get started I want [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► to ask everybody uh here quick poll I [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► who has read the book the Martian dude i [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► was on the book podcast some people [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► don't remember incomparable continuity [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► least yeah they should be heard the [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► podcast that we did and then read it and [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► extolled the Firdos on any other podcast [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► didn't you [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► oh yeah my ex yeah exactly extolled the [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► podcast i did not i did read the book [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► completely cold i did not listen to any [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► podcasts ok [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► no spoilers all I knew was truly all I [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► know about the Martian was the cover had [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► a picture of an astronaut in some sort [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► of an orange background knew nothing [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► else about where we went to the movie my [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► son we asked him what he thought the [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► movie was about he said I assume it's [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► about an alien [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► let's just see what happens then chip [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► did you read the book I did to the book [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► what I did harry potter and the [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► sorcerer's stone which is desperately [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► race to finish it before the movie came [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► out okay and did you succeed I did [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► succeed it was a ripper war and read all [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► right Eric I did you read the book [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► no but I did listen to the incomparable [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► you cannot talk about haha i like that's [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► like crammed for it [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► I've had the book on my kindle for a [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► while now I just having actually put it [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► off because I decided I wanted to wait [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► to see the movie first and read the book [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► after interesting [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► ok that's not the way to go and Stephen [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► you read the book I did all in a in one [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► sitting actually I couldn't stop [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► alright so for people who are wondering [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► we did talk about the book as we've [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► mentioned it was episode 187 called man [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► vs mars we did that back in march of [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► 2014 with a while ago now we were oh we [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► were ahead of the curve on the Martian [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► but we weren't behind the curve either [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► so anyway I think we all enjoyed it and [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► would recommend it it's a fun read but [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► then then came that the tough challenge [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► of adapting that book into a major [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► motion picture which is something that [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► that Ridley Scott director and strew [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► Goddard right whoohoo was a buffy the [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► vampire slayer writer for a while and [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► did cloverfield I think I think cabin in [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► the woods [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► cabin in the woods well he's a joss [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► whedon collaborator there are two Drew's [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► who worked on Buffy and can always never [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► keep track of them but uh anyway they [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► had to adapt this from anywheres a novel [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► and and so they did and this is the [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► result [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► I don't want to turn this into a [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► complete like book vs movie podcast [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► because that's that's a bit much older [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► we can go into that a little bit of [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► Stephen and I spent I feel like we we [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► did get caught in that on unlived off [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► episode we did we did a lot of good [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► except to movie comparison stuff but I [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► you know I so wow I've struggled with [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► figuring out where to start the [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► conversation about this story and i'm [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► gonna start it with Matt Damon because [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► he is on screen by himself for a very [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► long time because that's the whole point [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► of this now we do see people back on [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► earth who are trying to save him and we [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► do see him strength you know his his [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► compatriots in space who have left [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► behind but most of the time spent with [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► matt damon i guess i should say up front [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► here too [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► we're going to talk about what's in the [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► movie so if you don't wanna know about [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► what happens in the movie [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► don't listen to this podcast until [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► you've seen it and that means I'm firing [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► off the Martian spoiler horn right now [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► is the Martian spoiler hard different [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► than the usual spoiler the marshal [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► speller horn has to stay inside [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► otherwise it will die [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► there's like a 30-minute delay between [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► when the spoiler horn is sounded and one [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► actually reaches our express it is an [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► inner atmosphere is accessible strength [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► it takes 30 minutes for the horn to [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► reach you all day the earth stands by [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► waiting and hoping so Matt Damon who as [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► famously we had to be found in saving [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► private ryan and was lost interstellar [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► his lost again he's a this one the way [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► this movie starts at the way gets lost [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► maybe maybe that's that's where he's [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► coming out but there's a great you know [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► talk to me about their about any keep [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► how much money do you [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► does the US government spent trying to [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► find Matt Damon yeah very dramatic [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► opening scene as Stephen and I talked [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► about on liftoff you know the Martian [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► atmosphere is very thin a store of a [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► high wind on Mars would probably not [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► blow a piece of paper around but very [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► dramatic beginning to the film where we [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► see that Matt Damon gets left behind and [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► we sort of it's just enough that they're [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► kind of absolved we don't hate the crew [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► for leaving behind but we also kind of [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► understand Jessica Chastain's guilt at [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► feeling like she could have done more [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► because she's the captain to to save him [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► once that especially once they find out [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► that that he actually wasn't dead after [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► all he was he was alive and then you [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► know he wakes up and uh Matt Damon is [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► alone for a long time wandering around [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► indoors and outdoors on on Mars so [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► starting with Matt Damon what people [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► what people think of the of the solo man [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► versus nature aspect of this film [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► because it really that really is what [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► this is edit score is it's about this [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► guy struggling to stay alive you know I [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► was not a matt damon fan before I saw [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► this movie and I really have been i [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► would say that i'm not a matt damon fan [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► now but I still enjoyed him well enough [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► in the movie he was just fine [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► aight aight i haven't read the book so [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► my only introduction to this character [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► was what I saw on screen and he seemed [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► perfectly serviceable in the role i was [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► i was comfortable watching him but it [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► wasn't the character that drew me in it [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► was it was the story and the the the [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► Jeopardy that this character was in AZ [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► 22 me liking the character for himself [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► he had me when he at two moments in this [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► movie [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► there's the first moment when he [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► staggers back into the hab and has to [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► stitch himself bet your staple himself [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► back together that really wasn't [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► Prometheus level but still that was that [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► was tough stuff that was tough stuff and [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► but it also with one of the things that [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► made it work for me was in the book it's [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► all monologue and it's all description [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► and that is a he is not performing for [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► anybody he's not doing a log for anybody [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► matt damon is just performing suffering [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► and determination and all that stuff and [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► that was that was a great moment and the [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► second moment that sealed the deal for [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► me was after he blows up the hab and [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► he's sitting down in front of his camera [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► and he still smoking and those those [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► those too much right there [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► I did it for me well the the first [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► person concede of the Martian is that [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► the book is great in the sense that you [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► get the sense of his voice and who he is [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► as a person and he's trying to keep his [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► spirits up but you also get his dark [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► moments but what you don't get is what [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► he's not you know willing to share and [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► you're right chip one of the advantages [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► of doing this is a movie is that you get [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► to see those things the disadvantages [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► that it's harder to do that first person [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► narration and we do get a lot of him [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► sort of staring into the camera and [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► leaving and and and his log but what [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► what it gets us is those moments where [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► he's unguarded where we're just [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► witnessing the guy he's not narrating [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► his life we're seeing what he lived [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► which is a that's an advantage of doing [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► this is a movie as a poster book i think [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► yeah that that's that's what i liked [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► about the first 10 minutes of that [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► because we see him obviously if he's got [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► his stuff together enough to sit down [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► and think to leave a log behind we're [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► really not seeing him just in that very [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► moment and trying to figure out what the [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► hell just happened [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► what a great introduction to the [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► character that the firming that the fact [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► that he is so well-trained and he is so [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► geared towards here's what has to be [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► done that staggers staggers into the hab [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► and without any preamble whatsoever or [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► even like you know I got to get ready to [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► do surgery on myself just dives in grabs [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► it grabs med packs grabs it grabs the [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► EpiPen or whatever [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► four starts cutting starts digging [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► around four piece of metal the noses in [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► there get out and gets it done and then [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► after that it's just as you say Jason [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► you don't eat in the book you don't get [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► to see him just numb for 24 hours just I [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► just because it's sinking in that he is [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► alone on Mars and a half that's designed [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► to last for about a month for few people [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► and he then there's no way that he's [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► good he can let you can survive for [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► years just on his own just coming to [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► grips with that the only thing I didn't [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► like about the first 10 minutes is that [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► I really was hoping for more scenes of [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► the mission one of the group so we can [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► before the the stuff starts happening i [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► would like I would have liked to have [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► learned about what's the relationships [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► between all these people how did they [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► get along with each other i would like [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► to have seen more of matt damon in pre [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► crisis mode of just you know fun-loving [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► of Mark Watney who is just use the cup [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► of the group and keeps everybody spirits [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► up because it seems like there are [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► prospecting for all of like 38 seconds [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► before [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► ok we're all going Forgotten borough and [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► I appreciated that I like the fact that [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► we didn't have a bunch of a sort of [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► background stuff on the character I I it [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► just felt a lot more immediate and real [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► to me because I wasn't thinking about [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► all of that stuff is kind of like how in [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► gravity they made sure to you know to [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► shoehorn in the fact that she's a cute [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► kid back home which I found kind of [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► annoying like it that I feel like the [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► character itself be in jeopardy is [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► enough for me and I didn't want all that [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► extra stuff that's what works for well i [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► was thinking about the abyss where [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► before the the adventure part of the [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► movie starts [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► they show them they show the crew of [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► décor just doing a day's work trying to [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► get trying to get to get some that or [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► under underwater or dark puts put aside [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► and why don't you write I wouldn't it [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► wouldn't edius if we've learned a lot [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► about what his family life was like what [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► is what is this is cousin make the [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► baseball team and that sort of stuff but [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► like i said it's the sort of thing of [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► we're gonna have to know about the crew [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► later on when they come back into the [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► movie and it personally for me I would [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► have liked it if I'd known if I had a [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► better frame of reference for them [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► before they took off they try to get [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► everybody a moment but you can tell that [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► it's like literally [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► everybody's going to get a moment and [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► then we're gonna kick it into gear and [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► yet this is a two hour and 20 minute [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► movie so it's not totally surprising [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► that they move it along but stuff but so [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► i can see that you know do your less [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► invested in the crew before you lose [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► them because of that I want to mention [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► another another matt damon thing and I [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► wonder what you know what you guys think [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► there is a day a dialogue list seen [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► early in the film where you know you're [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► right he is he starts in survival mode [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► and then he and then he has to make the [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► shift to to problem-solving mode [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► how am I going to am I gonna get out of [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► this can i get out of this because at [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► first he's just trying to stay alive [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► like literally can i fix my wounds so [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► that i will stay alive and then there's [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► the end it's boy it's a tough shift to [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► be like well now i need to start [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► thinking big picture here and there's a [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► scene where he's standing and i believe [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► the airlock it's that route around [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► chamber and he and we're like closing on [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► his face and and there's no dialogue and [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► and you know if you talk about the scene [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► where I really liked what Matt Damon [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► didn't miss in this movie it's that [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► scene because I feel like that's the [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► scene where he's deciding deciding do I [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► want to just open the airlock and die if [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► I'm gonna die here [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► I don't want to prolong it I'm just [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► gonna I'm just gonna open the airlock [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► and i'll die and that will be the end [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► and he chooses to fight and he chooses [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► to try and work the problem and see if [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► there's some even impossible way for him [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► to get out of this and I really like [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► that and like I said it's not like he's [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► talking about it to himself he's just [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► literally standing in the airlock and [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► he's not a hand on the door or anything [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► like that it's really subtle but I feel [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► like you've got to see his struggle of [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► like what am I gonna do now am I gonna [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► live or am I going to give up and he [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► chooses to live and then that sets him [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► off on his course for the rest I did get [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► that but baby I wasn't paying that close [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► attention and it's my interpretation of [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► it there do it you know that that was [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► the way I took it is that I you know I [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► think he's considering whether he wants [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► to live here or not because he's he sort [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► of silent and upset and and standing in [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► what I believe is that is the chamber [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► where he could close the door and and [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► and a doll and they don't make a big [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► deal out of it but I mean that is [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► ultimately his decision here is he do [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► you fight or do you not get with it [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► whether that scene was intended to mean [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► that or not you know he turns and [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► decides he's gonna he's gonna use [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► science [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► to work out work out the problem here [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► yeah there are there are also a couple [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► of moments in this movie where he I [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► wouldn't say he weekends but he gets [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► really frustrated or upset there's a [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► couple of moments where he screams the [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► f-word silently behind his a class and [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► one of the criticisms I've seen this [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► movie mainly by people who haven't read [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► the book is they just don't buy how calm [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► and help together Matt Damon is or how [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► much Mark Watney would be that nobody [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► would be he's just so implacable and I [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► don't get that all from this movie [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► there are a couple of moments where he [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► breaks the point of the movie is of [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► course the triumph of the that the [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► triumph of the problem solver but i [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► actually thought there were a couple of [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► moments that humanized him that Matt [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► being brought to it i thought this movie [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► had some nice continuity with tom [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► wolfe's the right stuff which is about [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► the early the book the book and the [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► movie about the early science and space [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► program you know the did great get [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► Grissom and gotten the mercury after the [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► markets right [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► the only reason I paid attention to [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► guests christmas because my childhood [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► library was named after him so I was [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► like oh but uh one of the passages in [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► the book that's indelible that's stayed [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► with me for many years is Tom wolf goes [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► into the mindset of people who do well [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► the space program and they tend to be [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► test pilots in other words the type of [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► people who if the nose of your airplane [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► is on fire and you're hurtling toward [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► the earth at a hundred miles an hour [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► they will calmly methodically assume [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► that they can get out of it and work [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► every single solution right up to the [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► moment that the nosecone hits the ground [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► at a terrifying velocity like these are [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► just not people who ever think of [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► themselves as failing they always think [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► that well i can i can work the problem [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► and so that was one thing that I really [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► enjoyed seeing all the way through the [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► Martian is everybody who worked the [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► problem [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► never assume they couldn't solve it yeah [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► and yeah and then had been rocked back [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► on their heels by setbacks like with [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► when you know my gosh all are liquefied [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► supplies are what through all of our [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► calculations and you know rocketboom but [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► the point is they didn't spend like [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► three weeks and launch a tumbler full of [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► said pictures ever they just [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► like when that we can begin the 11 i can [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► working the problem again and I really [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► like that callback to the resilience in [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► tough mindedness of the very early space [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► program I thought to put a really nice i [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► thought was a really nice call-up to the [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► history of US Space and how there are [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► some things that stay the same even when [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► we get to the point where we have [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► fantastically well equipped Martian [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► voyages when you can talk about Apollo [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► 13 is a is another touchdown along here [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► a film and so that's the style you want [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► to kind of a attached to but based on a [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► real story about the same thing and i [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► was reading I i was tweet that led to a [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► post by somebody who is an astronaut in [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► training and she's a scientist marquan [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► you know he's a botanist he's not he's [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► not a an Air Force fighter pilot or [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► something like that but even you know [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► even astronauts who are scientists like [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► have to learn how to fly jets and stuff [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► even if they've never flown before [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► literally get you get inducted into the [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► astronaut training program they're like [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► okay we're going to teach you how to fly [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► jets narrow and I also want to point out [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► that bonus or kind of the fearless [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► badasses of the science alright that was [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► here from is that notice the know [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► because these are the guys who will do [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► things like head into war zones to save [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► plant stocks under the theory that [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► eventually someone's going to have to [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► replant and and there are some plants [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► that are so exquisitely suited to their [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► habitat it is a service to humanity to [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► go rescue these plants and keep them [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► safe like there are in the annals of war [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► over the 20th century alone there was an [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► entire team of Soviet scientists that [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► starved to death in the interest of [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► keeping the Soviet Union's potato rice [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► and peanut stock safe for rebuilding and [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► there was another case fairly recently [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► where there's a scientist who managed to [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► rescue like lemon somewhere in the [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► middle east like this really rare [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► straight [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► the point is that botanist they're [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► pretty much like fearless anyway we know [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► those potatoes come in handy very [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► important it's true [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► so you bought is her to be feared what [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► do you think of a matt damon and and [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► Mark Watney and his sort of solo [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► performance here for much most of the [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► movie i think it is a good job you know [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► in the in the book you because so much [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► of the book is done is log entries you [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► sort of have to infer some fizzy his [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► emotions kind of on top of what he's [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► saying but in the movie course we get to [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► see him right we get to see you said [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► that moment in the airlock you get to [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► see the resolve [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► silver his face or the look of of you [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► know he certainly understands or comes [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► to a conclusion and i think i think that [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► David pulls it off i think that he's a [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► very believable character and just like [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► you're saying about the right stuff is [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► those astronauts you know from the [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► sixties and seventies guys who had that [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► steely resolve and you get that or I get [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► that from from watching Matt Damon walk [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► around and and do stuff and I think it's [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► um you know I think I I was not prepared [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► for the sort of the the emotional side [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► of the of the book to really be flushed [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► out in the movie but I think he does a [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► really good job at it [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► I think the difference would be since [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► he's he is you know essentially a [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► civilian scientists I don't know via in [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► a backstory if he if he's purely a [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► civilian or not but essentially it's a [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► recent easy regular guy who then is [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► training he's an astronaut but you get [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► the steely resolve that the difference [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► and this is what makes the same 2015 [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► movie and not a 1982 v is you know we [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► see him being wacky and playing the [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► disco music and making you know jokes [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► with his his a his crewmate AE [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► before-and-after right him go the the oh [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► this one seventies TV callback that [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► would that survived that was a that was [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► excellent but it doesn't change the [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► steely resolve underneath right that's [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► all still there he's still working the [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► problem but he's there for an extended [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► period of time like Apollo 13 where they [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► did it all in a day of you know a few [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► days of of working the problem [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► he's got months and so we also get to [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► see him kind of his other his other [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► aspects the steely resolve has never not [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► there right [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► I think I think it's you can see the [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► transition where you do at those first [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► couple days where he need only gets into [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► despair but he's basically very much in [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► this is very much abstracting his [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► situation before he goes back into [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► engineering like just you know [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► originally said earlier it's these [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► people are trained to be able to do not [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► see either the line the line that I [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► remember from one astronaut think what [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► Apollo astronaut say that between a test [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► pilot normal pilot is that if you're if [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► both pilots know that they've got 12 [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► seconds before they [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► brasher the test pilot well i got 12 [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► seconds i bet i can fix this and so it [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► seems as though what was going to keep [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► him alive even if he was gonna die 90 [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► days even if he was gonna be able to [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► stretch his food supply is that now he's [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► got this new project to work on which is [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► to figure out what he can do today to [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► extend his life another day and you [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► he has that sort of personality that [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► lets him take that as his as new raised [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► on debt it that's that's what he's doing [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► now it's if he didn't have that sort of [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► distraction if it was for a different [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► situation we had to wait for rescue [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► maybe he would have blown the airlock if [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► you didn't have the distraction of a [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► completely hostile environment of a [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► severe lack of food and having to [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► generate your own water and and wait and [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► and then like halfway across the planet [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► to get shot off in a convertible I can [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► see where you might fall into despair [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► and boredom [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► yeah i think i like i like Mark Watney [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► the character because of the choices [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► that he makes and what he does and and [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► sort of the things that he says so i [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► think the the writing of the book and [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► also the writing of the screenplay are [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► what what Germany and it that it's just [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► that it has you know we keep mentioning [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► that David has nothing to do with that [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► performance at the german let me take a [TS]

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00:24:09 ◼   ► I leaned over and whispered to fill all [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► right this is the Oscar clip and i'm [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► fairly sure he's gonna get nominated [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► this year teacher the guy i think i [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► think how you got it you got an a-list [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► actor and he basically carrying a hit [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► movie and he's almost entirely just [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► alone in it [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► oh yeah he's a shoo-in for the many just [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► means that Oscar Oscar clip where he's [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► crying and he's emoting and he's like [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► good I differently to read like a winner [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► but i was at my complaint when he was [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► cast was can he play convincingly nerdy [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► enough because the Watney in the book is [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► somebody who is you know nerd first [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► astronaut second he's an astronaut [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► really ya know what i don't like is like [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► a serious nerd and I do not get that [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► from the screen at all [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► ya know and thatthat's the things I've [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► been and I thought okay well this is [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► actually casting challenge because a [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► listers not becoming lister since they [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► master the Nerds onra so like I just [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► keep thinking well we've probably dodged [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► a bullet in that it wasn't Ben Affleck [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► cast in this movie I thought that the [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► oceans the oceans movies put him in that [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► sort of because he's because he's next [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► to Bradley and Brandon he really he is [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► the nerd of that trio so that is the [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► narrative entry on that includes Brad [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► Pitt and George party box will not to be [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► the nerd of like the only person who [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► would not be a nerd in that trio would [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► be the rock [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► well he seemed nervous but he is an [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► astronaut nerd right now I think that's [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► the challenges not only you know not the [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► Nerds can't be astronauts but I think [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► they're they're obviously they're not [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► just nerds because they have all of the [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► whatever-it-is the right stuff let's say [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► to be asked [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► knots and also there is that type that [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► you know it's typecasting in a way to [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► which is you want this is this movie [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► needs a lead who can hold it down and [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► who can be heroic and yet gives you at [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► least a a taste of the fact i mean i'd i [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► believe that he is really legitimately [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► excited about growing his his poop [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► potato baked potatoes and all of the [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► stuff that he does and that he knows [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► that stuff I never I never was like come [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► on this guy doesn't understand stuff [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► like that i disguised even know what [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► salary but he's not you know it'sit's [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► there there there are limits and I think [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► their limits 22 when you're making a [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► movie like this [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► yeah i did not have an image in my head [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► of Mark Watney when i read the book when [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► I reread it i will probably see matt [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► damon and you know and and then and I [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► think that says something either about [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► my lack of imagination or the fact that [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► you know he didn't do anything to screw [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► up the character in my head that's all [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► that's actually kind of a ringing [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► endorsement he didn't script the [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► character in my head with notice [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► yeah because i actually have one casting [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► quibble ok which is um I can't remember [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► her first name but her last name is Park [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► yeah Andy park [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► Mindy park and I was like I leaned over [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► to the because my local nerd policy when [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► we all got together was very exciting as [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► we know children with this and really [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► different from Lauren's like I totally [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► thought she was korean and Lauren's like [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► oh I did too and so I was like kudos [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► different for keeping his mini Park and [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► not making her mark parkour Martin park [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► or something like that like hooray we [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► you know we didn't lose a woman but at [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► the same time I I can't be the only [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► person who read the name indie park and [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► instantly you know thought okay Korean [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► scientists totally plausible yeah and I [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► don't know why you wouldn't i mean i [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► don't know why i was i was taken aback [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► when I saw that like really blonde girl [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► is mini mark really maybe she's adopted [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► like Scott Fujita alright ability that [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► is really loved one long way I was just [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► playing with that I i perform some [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► people who are disappointed that the [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► that the Indian character is played by [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► chiwetel ejiofor who the story and the [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► story is they actually cast an Indian [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► actor [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► who apparently i think maybe because the [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► shooting that delayed it's unclear in my [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► in my recollection of this but basically [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► he he got pulled off of it at the last [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► minute because he had to go to a giant [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► bollywood spectacular but he was going [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► to be at character and they say in it [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► with a couple of weeks ago they had to [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► catch somebody in the cast chiwetel [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► ejiofor as an emergency casting choice [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► that's pretty awesome but as a result [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► there's a line in there where he says [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► that his mother was a Baptist and his [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► and his up his father is a Hindu but i [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► think his name changes to Vincent [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► instead of in cats yeah exactly said I [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► just kind of imagine that they met in [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► school and his mother was like of the [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► Southern Baptist direction and so I [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► filled in that story to where I'm like [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► I'm clearly he was your TA and they met [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► a bad Kansas but that was you know so we [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► have 28 is seemingly you know these [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► could have been ancient actors that they [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► ended up neither of them being that yeah [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► but of geology for speaking of casting [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► I'm not so good guys really good yeah [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► yeah yeahs having not having read the [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► book I didn't know any of that so I had [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► no preconceptions and I just found [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► myself going [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► hey there's a lot of ladies on the [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► screen hey did a black guy in a position [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► of power [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► hey I'm like in this movie yeah yeah [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► hey Donald Glover's in this and he's a [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► gigantic nerd there's just that Sean [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► Bean was somehow not decapitated and the [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► point during the film because i'm sort [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► of condition to have him get yelled at [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► anything is and i was like he made it [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► alive to be into the fish on gets to [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► participate in a lord of the rings joke [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► in the middle California maybe I think [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► the greatest that's in the book and [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► we're going to take it out of the movie [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► and they decided they the the executives [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► want to take it out and somebody was [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► like no no that's funny leave it in and [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► it is it the whole my whole audience [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► laughed but we have to win me that joke [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► especially when the Jets when the jeff [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► daniels character like if you know [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► startles them all baby & completely [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► fluent and tokine as well that was great [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► it was a really nice humanizing moment [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► for him to glorfindel baby I I feel like [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► Jeff Daniels character so this is a [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► movie with no this movie with no [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► villains percent Jeff Daniels is it [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► isn't agonistic in a few cases but and I [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► actually think this movie is uh has a [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► lot of the rough edges sanded off of it [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► from the book because I think the people [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► at NASA are much more unpleasant in the [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► book then they are in the movie where [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► it's much more like go team let's do it [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► but the general rule its kind of [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► thankless because he is the [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► bureaucrat and you do get the sense that [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► he's doing things not because he's a bad [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► guy but because he knows the wider [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► political ramifications that most people [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► don't have to understand and he just [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► kind of has to deal with that but the [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► same time it is a it is a kind of [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► thankless role in it is kind of a stock [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► role i was thinking i was reminded of [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► like tom skerritt in contact right it is [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► that same kind of like I'm the [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► administrator I'm the bureaucrat I'm a [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► politician but I thought Daniels to did [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► a fine job and then that allows [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► everybody else to not be Jeff Daniels [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► and head point and got bounced off of [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► him and be like no we're going to save [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► him and and and that was that it was all [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► good at work I definitely had a moment I [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► think the first time he's at the podium [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► and he's speaking of Mike wait is this [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► the newsroom like I just had a friend of [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► memory from that show what is less podio [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► that was a is so but you know he's gonna [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► suit and he's talking to me and I just [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► want to listen to him all day [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► I really like the second press [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► conference for some reporter shots are [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► you gonna quit lying no-good disagree [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► no I'm Christian way against the [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► mortified PR person is like you even [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► nobody should be saying things that [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► they're saying right now Jake leg roll [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► yeah oh yeah i like the scene between [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► Jeff Daniels and sean bean after sean [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► has given up the that has given up a [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► secret and the hermes has made its [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► course correction that's a scene that's [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► not in the book that works really well i [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► work in my working government local [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► government so you know I I i see a lot [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► of these types all the time i work in [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► public information so the I thought [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► you're like Kristen Wiig you're sitting [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► on the side going oh my god what is [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► happening right the Christian wig [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► character is definitely tone down from [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► the book and i have seen I i have seen [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► both i have seen both movie [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► Kristen Wiig and book Kristen Wiig and [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► yeah there is a spectrum there but the [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► but the book and the movie in their own [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► way do a pretty good job of what this [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► NASA culture is going to be like and [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► what this governmental culture is like [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► and how the tech and the politics don't [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► mix all that well it did that it comes [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► off pretty well i think yeah I think [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► with the signature differences but [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► in the book of the movie is that we're [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► getting back to jeff daniels role which [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► seems to be setting up more like a [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► villain a book and the movie the [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► differences that with almost all of [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► these characters you have actors who are [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► much much better than the actors that [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► anywhere has in the book they can really [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► perform a lot better than the dialogue [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► that they're given in the book [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► oh yeah and it's I hate the people in [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► the book i hate i think it's the worst [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► thing in the book is the nasty stuff [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► because i hate almost everybody in it [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► it's not just what dispatch it's not the [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► nasty stuff it is the characterization [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► he's very very anywhere in this book is [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► very very weak on painting believable [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► character right [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► what you want is the is the is like the [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► exception because he's got these got the [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► entire floor but I really compare I [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► really had to think back to when the [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► hunt for red october which is also [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► exciting book loved it i reread it once [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► in every once in awhile but you know [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► that at this point this is this author [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► Tom Clancy is not really is more at home [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► explaining how a radar system works then [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► on why somebody how someone drinks a cup [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► of coffee and in the book in the book in [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► the Martian everybody drinks coffee the [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► most dramatic and direct and punch away [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► available whereas an actor just simply [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► six the coffee in a way that makes you [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► understand how cool they can be in any [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► situation what I want to ask everybody [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► else about is the epilogue that they do [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► which is completely original to the [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► movie and was not at all my book and how [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► they do the where are they now montage [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► and I was very curious as to everybody [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► else's reactions to it I thought it was [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► great i thought it was something that I [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► thought was missing from the end of the [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► book but because I thought that was way [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► too abrupt i didn't think it was the [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► best I I don't think that's it was the [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► best way to articulate that sort of an [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► ending but I appreciate that it was [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► there once in awhile i actually like the [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► neal stephenson moment where he drops [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► the pin and walks away right at right [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► after with no date on my once in awhile [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► i actually like that so i'm not sure i'm [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► not sure i found myself wondering how [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► the heck is this going to end because [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► you know I that was pretty sure he was [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► going to get off of Mars once once they [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► rescue him and you know I'm like okay so [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► he's gonna fly home he's gonna get home [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► I kept thinking how are they going to [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► end this i mean it [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► they could just stop it and roll credits [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► and I felt like that would be very [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► emotionally unsatisfying so I I wasn't [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► sure where they were gonna go i was very [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► happy with that as the end I mean there [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► may have been other ways that it could [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► have also happened that I would have [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► been perfectly happy with but I've [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► always kind of been a sucker for the [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► nose a little the buttons telling you [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► you know and where are they now the [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► animal house ending [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► yes i did he do to you senator and mrs. [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► Blewett are so you went on to the next [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► mars mission so I was completely happy [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► with that I was glad that they did [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► something else and I'm I I guess that's [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► a lot of the things that you guys have [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► been saying about the book as compared [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► to the movie have made me more and more [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► interested to read the book but knowing [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► that there's not this at the end of it [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► kind of makes me go from this is that [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► the one negative so far [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► yeah i mean it is it is Kyra susi where [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► they end up I think depending on the [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► version of the book that you've read [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► I've got an email from a guy i think i'm [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► on his website when he did that version [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► it has an ending with him back on earth [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► that they took out but it'sit's very [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► brief it's just him sitting on a bench [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► and he's like one interaction [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► he's the the really the party of like I [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► really don't care for is Professor [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► Watney where he's he's teaching like [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► future astronauts and it's an excuse to [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► get him into a world back into the world [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► and you see that he's famous rented that [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► he is using his experience to teach [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► others and that's nice but I just that [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► seems really didn't sit well with me [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► I didn't like that scene at all what [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► would you rather have negative because I [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► mean that mark because I've been [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► thinking about that too since having him [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► back in teaching astronauts also didn't [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► sit well with me but I can't answer the [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► question what I think should have been [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► doing step always I i think that that [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► seems shouldn't be in the movie and so [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► I'm gonna I'm gonna be contrary I think [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► first off i think the scene where he's [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► teaching the the astronauts is dumb [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► because and and I know that this just [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► hit me wrong and everybody can go back [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► when this is on DVD you will you know [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► everybody can go back and look but it's [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► like they're it's a weird dressed [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► astronaut class like look its first [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► astronaut training they're wearing a [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► hoodie [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► it's like a shark it's like a strike and [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► it's like astronaut freshman astronaut [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► want to [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► one or something I don't know what's [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► going on with that but but here's the [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► thing its Advanced Placement astronaut [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► from high school I i think the reason [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► that they do this scene is because they [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► want to put a bow on it and they want to [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► say oh look at all those lessons the [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► lesson we learned here is that as an [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► astronaut you need to be prepared and [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► not give up and faced adversity and you [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► use your wits and intelligence you can [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► do it you can survive and I'm living [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► proof like yeah you know what I saw the [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► movie I learned all of that fighter [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► terrorism very emotional high point is [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► when he's reunited with his crew they're [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► gonna go back to earth and be fine [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► the end and then after that I would like [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► patty tag teams i would like to see [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► nothing but the credit I i really like [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► the credits where they are watching the [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► next mission go and we see where [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► everybody is when the next time she goes [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► I like that I think that's fun and nice [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► I just didn't need to see mark Watney on [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► earth we we we learned the lesson of [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► Mark Watney we don't need them to put a [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► put a bow on it and restate everything [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► we've just seen so that's my feeling i [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► should point out that the thing that I [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► liked the most was actually the where [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► are we now bits the the part with him [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► being an astronaut teacher I don't have [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► any strong feelings one way or the other [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► but i would have been perfectly fine [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► without that as long as I got some [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► hoodies after he was rescued [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► let's do with the hoodies I know ok [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► president for it's cold in there you're [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► reminded me something that really [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► bothered me about about wanting the [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► relationship with the crew [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► I really thought that he has at this [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► point he has not heard another human [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► voice and has it been like a year you're [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► in half I'd like the first time that he [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► actually they actually get radio working [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► and he hears another human voice he [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► hears the voices of his crewmates are [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► there panting they're having fun days [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► and this current moment we missed the [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► first moment where they hear each other [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► if you're not in the movie and then they [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► should have been there should have been [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► I I guess I was expecting just a little [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► bit of a tier of relief to just see like [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► it will be a it if there's a tiny [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► complaint is that you don't see the [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► weight of the stress that he's under by [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► trying to survive day after day and [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► coming up with these solutions and if [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► you had that one moment of I'm for 10 [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► seconds there's no camera on me inside [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► this vehicle i can just not break down [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► but my voice is fine but no one will see [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► me holding company [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► hands in front of my eyes to keep the [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► water from like just you know getting [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► into my microphone have a few of the [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► things i wanted to i want to mention i [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► want to ask about really quickly about [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► the tech in this movie just because [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► we're director of tech savvy people and [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► I enjoyed that and i was wondering what [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► you all thought we see them we see him [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► watching watching videos and doing a log [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► and then there's the the kind of the [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► white room you know have that he's in [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► and there's the Rovers and there's just [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► there's a bunch of a future near future [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► issue NASA tech they create for the film [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► and I just I was always a nice bit of [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► art direction i think they didn't I [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► think did a good job but I'm interested [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► if you have any thoughts about and i was [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► wondering does he did you upload those [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► logs to NASA at some point like how we [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► get for how did they get from Mars to [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► earth [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► what's the point of that the logs I i [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► assume they're just sitting on the [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► planet and I actually when we got out of [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► the theater I said to Lauren I said I [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► hope the next mission goes and gets hard [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► drives and brings his logs back how are [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► you how was he supposed to how to [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► survive on Mars therefore they need to [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► have watney's whole you know potatoes [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► one primer going but he didn't have [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► enough bandwidth to send video file so i [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► assume they're just sitting in that in [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► that AB just sort of sitting there [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► waiting for him [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► future generations and he does at the [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► beginning of the movie say i'm recording [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► this just in case somebody ever comes [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► and gets yeah that that was a powerful [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► thing both the book and movie i kept [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► thinking about that it I felt I felt as [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► though it's like that was part of his [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► reason for continued to go on beyond you [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► know wanting to live knowing that if he [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► dies at some point in the future that [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► will come back and they won't see [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► somebody wrapped in a wrapped in a [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► blanket you just sort of gave up and [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► decided to start to death you would see [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► he work any work any work if not for the [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► fact that this piece of fabric that was [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► not designed to hold pressure for more [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► than 60 days finally blew out after a [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► year and he died of asphyxiation [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► that was a better way to go mhm at [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► getting back to the just the general [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► technology on it i mean it feels like [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► future history to me not science fiction [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► everything feels recognizable today I i [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► don't know how many years it's going to [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► take for us to get to the level of [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► technology that's going to be able to [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► put together a hermes and three Ares [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► missions and things like that but the [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► the technology [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► and more importantly I think the [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► clothing in the fashion and the-the-the [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► Times Square scenes and all that stuff [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► it feels like today and I think that [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► really works for this movie I think if [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► they'd look to star trekky then if they [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► done too much work trying to extrapolate [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► what their smartphones are going to look [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► like then it would have thrown us [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► completely out of the movie and it's not [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► about us then see Stephen and I have [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► talked on liftoff about this a couple of [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► times that nASA uses old tech so using [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► stuff that feels like our texts today is [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► probably accurate because 15 years from [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► now or 20 years from now on Mars they're [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► not going to be using tech from 2035 [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► they're going to be using like 2015 tech [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► because there is always good [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► it's always yes super tested and [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► radiation hard hard and cold and so have [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► finder guys had CRT monitors [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► yeah that was ok i was gonna I was gonna [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► mention i assume that they just keep all [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► their hardware in a box somewhere in [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► case just for history and they're like [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► oh well pull it all out because they [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► have the CRT monitors i love that if we [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► if we got a VCR the storage we probably [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► also plug pulling a composite monitor up [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► there to that I like that I like certain [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► things like when he's but pulling out [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► all the other crewmates stuff in the hab [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► they come up this real liquor a [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► panasonic like grid laptop this would [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► really like the kind you can't like drop [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► and variance and dig up again because [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► that's it might look different from [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► another planet exactly exactly you want [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► something that just can take crap and [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► keep on going yeah I have a friend who [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► designs hardware for the military and [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► he's like dude you're never going to [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► have teeny tiny phones for the army yeah [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► that's not gonna happen [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► it's Nazis it's not physically possible [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► yeah i'm not a techie person so most of [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► that didn't even really catch my eye but [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► the one thing that i did notice was his [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► spacesuit all of their spacesuits and [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► you know all of my knowledge about [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► spacesuits comes from space movies but I [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► felt like this looked enough like what i [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► was expecting from a spacesuit that it [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► did wasn't jarring but it had enough [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► sort of tweaks and you know it talk to [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► him in his in his helmet and it was just [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► futuristic enough to not feel wrong but [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► it wasn't so far off that I was like ooh [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► shiny zoomy space stuff I got kind of [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► distracted by this [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► the sheer amount of stuff that everybody [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► left behind on that planet and I [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► realized that's the nature of space [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► missions when you have to blast off in [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► the middle of the storm and everything [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► and it's super convenient because you [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► know Nick wasn't met why don't you pull [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► your necklaces mark mark was able to you [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► know construct a life until the hat blew [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► out and all that but after a while I'm [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► like okay so he's got this this this [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► cool Rolly thing that's got a crane [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► attached to it and there's the there's [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► this matter what army of minor robots [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► that he's got going on and I found [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► myself you know kind of a what is the [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► price tag and be do you think they're [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► sad about leaving it behind when he goes [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► and finds the pathfinder right he's just [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► like it's it's just you know it's there [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► i mean they drop the heat shield [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► throughout the parachute and it's all [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► just you know we're littering Mars [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► that's part of the deal opinion we're [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► going to have to you know eventually [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► clean it up but erica is one of the [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► things that you mention the pit space 21 [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► things i like about this and this goes [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► for the movie as a whole is this is a [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► space movie but it's a planet movie and [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► and I like that because he's not wearing [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► a vacuum suit he's wearing a spacesuit [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► but he's you know he's got gravity and [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► there is the atmosphere atmosphere and [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► it's not quite so he doesn't have to be [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► a big blown up kind of like you know one [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► man spaceship kind of thing like that [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► like a space space suit of that he's [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► basically just forever it's not for the [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► back yesterday and that also because and [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► and so although space can be portrayed [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► beautifully and in movies and we've seen [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► it in gravity for at for example it's [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► it's nice that that he not only are we [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► faking other than on the Hermes were not [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► faking zero-gravity we've got gravity [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► because we're on Mars and we've got [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► vistas we've got dirt and we've got [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► hills and we've got mountains and that [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► and more secure and right and Mars is a [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► character in the movie too and I think [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► that that's another thing that makes it [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► a great movie and is an astronaut coming [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► to consciousness half buried in sand and [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► pulling himself out of Martian sand dune [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► yeah that is a strong it's pretty good [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► the storms and that's Kyle of seeing I [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► love see how fast the clouds kept moving [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► overhead and because it made the sky [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► looks ugly alien and i love the storms [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► and floods would remind me that the [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► Martian haboob so don't think that I'm a [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► little bit distracted by is you know as [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► the whole reason the potato farm goes [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► kaput is because of course it's flash [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► frozen and all the bacteria and kill [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► and so he pulls up his potatoes and he [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► runs away and i found myself wondering [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► what is this what one of those potatoes [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► gonna look like if there's no organic [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► bacteria or microflora to break them [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► down like is the next mission going to [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► come back and find them basically in the [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► same condition i'm super curious that's [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► all freeze-dried yeah exactly that next [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► the next person to get lost on Mars will [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► remember wait a minute but those that [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► they should be still cold so they still [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► dish still should be edible protein in [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► there [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► I've got to do is get the sand off of it [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► funnily enough that came up into focus [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► grouping on this movie and you can use [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► them as fertilizer when he put his own [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► potatoes you don't have to poop so much [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► this great now exactly yes did you yes [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► about technology but you don't have one [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► before we get off I want to make I want [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► to say the one thing that kind of got me [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► the-the-the-the star liners I can't [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► remember the name of the the quickly [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► spacecraft that get it goes from Earth [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► to Mars mommy's arms making that goes [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► that kept monasteries that that capps [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► gets reused for mission after mission [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► after mission [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► the only thing that's the only thing to [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► kind of make me hiccup a little bit was [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► that inside it was so uncluttered and so [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► clean I i was i was trashed analyzing it [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► by saying well this is the kind of like [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► a Starliner where they have to live for [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► like a year and a half so maybe they [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► would say it's worth it for simply the [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► psychology of the crew to have some [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► relaxation spaces where they don't have [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► to keep old good moving past like [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► pallets of stuff and then lose cables [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► and stuff like that but it's weird and [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► after seeing any headers on board so [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► it's going to be clean is really no [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► matter what I've got some great Mike and [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► that's it [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► um and Stevens heard before because I [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► didn't mention this on liftoff to [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► because we brought up this is same point [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► Andy here's my headcanon on this which [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► is you know open space is not expensive [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► to get to space it's full of it [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► what's expensive is mass so if they [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► assembled the hermes in orbit and it [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► came in pieces and I stuck them together [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► you know the actual like inside space [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► and in fact a lot of people talk about [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► doing things that are inflatable spaces [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► and in in outer space so it gave me a [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► little bit of pause but I think once [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► you're building a structure so large [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► that you have to assemble it in orbit [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► some of the rules of getting it to fit [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► in a rocket container go away and so [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► that was my that was that was my [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► headcanon at least about this [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► was saying well you know they put it [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► together in space and so they put in the [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► shells and they like assembled in the [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► end they got all they had to fly into [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► space where the outside parts but then [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► the inside part is nice and big and [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► decide when accepted also it would be [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► really awful [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► yeah i mean never goes back into Earth [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► orbit right i'm assuming there's a [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► shuttle that brings a time you don't [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► really think so i looked at it so in [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► anywheres book and its kind of implied [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► the movie that's one of the nice things [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► where I think they never violate rules [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► they just don't show you the things so [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► like if you look for them you can see [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► them so it sounds like the army stays in [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► orbit around Earth and they and the Ares [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► crew transfer on and off but the Hermes [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► just stays there and then they use it [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► again for the next mission so when they [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► launched the crew into orbit they go doc [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► with the Hermes and they fueled the [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► Hermes and then the Hermes goes to Mars [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► and then I tell the criminal this and [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► that's the deposit if they don't keep it [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► exactly and that's the reason is exactly [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► what they said the cleaners up there the [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► cleaner yesterday that's just because i [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► don't have to use that party to petty [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► posters are no holes in the wall so [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► whatever the reason and I think it's [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► beautiful i really i really like the [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► rotating section and the fact that [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► they've got the parts that they've got [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► gravity and they've got a treadmill and [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► you can see you can see out the windows [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► that it's those parts are rotating I [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► think that's really nice [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► we should probably also talked about the [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► crew because we haven't talked about [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► them and that's the third portion of [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► this movie is the crew that has left [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► mark behind and is on the long ride home [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► to earth where they are mourning their [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► their crewmates and then they find out [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► that it's it's like worse which is you [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► didn't die and they abandoned mine ours [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► and then they have to deal with that and [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► and in the end date they have to they [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► have their own heroic arc that leads to [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► a point at the end of the movie we're [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► the ones who are the actors and Mark is [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► passive and they have to save him and I [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► accept that the movie takes a veer [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► towards the end and Mark becomes active [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► again [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► yeah but it's true it's true and we [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► could we could we could we could get [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► that at the end but but if you've got [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► thoughts about the the Hermes crew I [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► think now's a good time Stephen I think [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► I think they do a good job with the crew [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► and and going back [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► Oh someone and he said earlier about you [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► know we don't see a lot of the cruise [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► interaction before the storm and they [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► have to abort the mission but we do see [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► bits of it but mostly through what his [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► eyes so we see his relationship with the [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► crew through the way that he interacts [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► with what they leave behind which i [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► think is [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► is is pretty nice but it they get once [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► the crew kind of get screen time again [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► and and they're they're given the news [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► and we start to see them figure out what [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► to do and then they decide to to follow [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► Donald Glover is crazy [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► jpg directions that he sends yeah I i [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► think they do a very convincing job that [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► is a very tight-knit group and I think [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► they do convincingly pretty quickly I [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► think one of the most powerful scenes in [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► the film is you know they're sitting [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► around talking and they say you know [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► well you know well we know we we all [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► decided to to come are we all left him [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► and the commander's like know you were [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► following orders [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► I decided to leave right and and that i [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► think you know sort of her will is bent [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► towards saving him because of that [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► because of that guilt because of that [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► that knowledge that you know ultimately [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► was her call and even though it was the [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► right call to time it turned out to be [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► turned out to be wrong and i like that [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► that drive that puts in her and again [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► going back to the real stuff i think [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► that's a drive that like anyone with [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► that sort of makeup of personality and [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► determination i would fall in line with [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► I think the actors did the best they [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► could with some thin material i mean it [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► they're not terribly well sketched out [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► in the books and so you know kate mara [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► and Sebastian Stan and Michael Pena was [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► that it [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► yeah and the German giant yeah the [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► german girl you know he be super like [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► they'd be like they basically didn't [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► have a whole lot to work with but you [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► know kate mara bless her heart like [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► really managed to pull off somebody who [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► deep down a super secretly nerdy and you [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► can tell she's kind of nervous about the [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► prospect of like basically breaking the [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► NASA ships and hacking all sorts of [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► things but she's going to go like [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► swallow her misgivings and do it and i [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► also like that she also managed to [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► convey that she's pretty much a very [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► introverted and person needs a lot of [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► privacy because that's when the German [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► astronaut companies like I'm really [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► sorry I'm interrupting your private time [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► it wouldn't do this at all and it's [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► pretty evident that this is you know [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► sort of the continuation of a previous [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► previously negotiated boundaries like [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► not hostile but like they just noted [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► leave her alone shes when she's running [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► or whatever so I like that the actors [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► did the best think of what they had i [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► still feel like it was a little bit thin [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► like you know although we know about the [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► commander is that she feels very guilty [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► about leaving one behind and that she [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► really loves disco and by the way the [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► German of interest the german dude is [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► Norwegian i'll be annoying at germany's [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► axel axel heaviest his name sorry [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► actually well actually you're fantastic [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► and i love that your character had a [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► billion children [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► uh-huh yeah and that he spent all this [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► time blowing bubbles for them i thought [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► was kind of interesting that the [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► mistakes that she made wasn't leaving [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► him behind because i think the case [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► could be made that if he hadn't if she [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► had not decided okay we gotta go [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► the thing with it tipped over there was [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► a lot of a ride back to back to her and [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► they would all have been stuck there [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► yeah I feel like they did everything [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► right as a viewer i was i was on their [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► side and I felt like they they shouldn't [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► have felt as bad as they did you know [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► Matt Damon's character he said he says [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► you know not their fault i feel like he [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► we never got to see it on screen but I [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► was kind of hoping that at some point [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► they would figure out the fact that they [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► would have that they all would have [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► probably been dead eventually if they [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► hadn't left him and as far as my [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► thoughts on the crew [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► I wouldn't they definitely weren't [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► particularly fleshed out and I wouldn't [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► say that they were exactly caricatures [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► but I feel like each each one had their [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► thing and that was enough to make them [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► interesting for to be as a viewer like I [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► said the thing that was most interested [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► in was mostly what was happening to mark [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► Watney on Mars and what what NASA [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► specifically was doing to solve the [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► problem [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► it was nice to get a little bit of [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► flavor from you know the massive crowds [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► in Times Square and it was nice to get a [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► little bit of flavor from the crew that [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► is going to you know it's feeling bad [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► about it and then trying to save him and [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► I appreciate it then as they came in and [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► did more towards the end of the film [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► then I was more interested in in what [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► they were doing but I didn't need [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► anymore [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► k characterization or backstory on any [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► of them I felt like that probably would [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► have just drag things down about it was [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► all about function in the [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► film for Mina when I agree with you [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► Erykah although I the the 1i I thought [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► they were I thought the characters were [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► written well enough for what the movie [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► needed to accomplish the one actor I [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► didn't think that the role was Jessica [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► Chastain I would i think i would have [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► liked someone a little older and a [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► little more grizzled I thought that she [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► was just a little too a little too young [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► and glamorous a little too star trekky [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► for the for the role I want that it was [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► her performance that kind of she seemed [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► so not self-assured which was not what i [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► would expect from the leader of of a [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► mission [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► I don't know what why they if the [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► characterization is simply because she's [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► a woman and she's on screen and we [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► expect women to act that way but I don't [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► expect a woman to act that way when [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► she's in charge of a life-and-death [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► mission on Mars so that was a little [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► iffy for me Lewis comes across as [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► tougher in the book she seems completely [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► confident I I think what I would say is [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► the movie really wants us and this is to [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► give her also to give her an angle in an [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► arc that movie really wants us to feel [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► her guilt about this and i gotta say if [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► you imagine like Apollo 13 or something [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► like that right there going to feel bad [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► but they're also going to realize that [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► they did everything they could and that [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► they all signed up for this knowing it [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► was dangerous and that their chief job [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► is to get home and so I I look at that [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► and think I end and I don't think it's [TS]