Upgrade

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00:00:08 ◼   ► From relay FM, this is Upgrade episode 402. Today's show is brought to you by

00:00:14 ◼   ► Electric, Capital One, and Trade. My name is Myke Hurley and I'm joined by Jason Snow.

00:00:19 ◼   ► Hi, Jason.

00:00:20 ◼   ► Hi, Myke.

00:00:21 ◼   ► Happy Monday.

00:00:22 ◼   ► Yeah, happy. Happy Monday. Happy new week.

00:00:24 ◼   ► Um, spring break is over here. Spring break.

00:00:29 ◼   ► Over. Back to school. Got two months of school left before the last of my children graduates

00:00:38 ◼   ► and exits the local school system. Kind of hard to believe, but we're getting there. And of course,

00:00:44 ◼   ► that's WWDC week because it always is. It literally always, all graduations must occur during

00:00:52 ◼   ► the developer conference. So it's a rule. I have a #snowtalk question for you from Bronts

00:00:58 ◼   ► who wants to know, Jason, what is your favorite ride

00:01:00 ◼   ► at Disneyland?

00:01:01 ◼   ► - Wow.

00:01:02 ◼   ► - When was the last time you went to Disney?

00:01:04 ◼   ► - We went on like a couple days before New Year's

00:01:09 ◼   ► in like, God, how old were the kids then?

00:01:14 ◼   ► I wanna say something like 2010.

00:01:17 ◼   ► - Right, so it's been a while.

00:01:19 ◼   ► - It's been a while.

00:01:21 ◼   ► And the funny thing is that Lauren's parents live

00:01:23 ◼   ► 15 minutes away.

00:01:26 ◼   ► - Right.

00:01:27 ◼   ► But the challenge is usually when we're down there

00:01:31 ◼   ► is at the peak times, holidays and things.

00:01:35 ◼   ► It's the worst time to go to Disneyland.

00:01:37 ◼   ► But one of these days we'll make an effort

00:01:42 ◼   ► of going down there at some random time.

00:01:45 ◼   ► And maybe I'll get David Sparks to do,

00:01:50 ◼   ► David Sparks just uses it as his office.

00:01:52 ◼   ► He just goes to Star Wars and hangs out.

00:01:55 ◼   ► - There's nobody better to tour you around Disneyland

00:01:57 ◼   ► and the Xbox is we've had that privilege twice.

00:02:00 ◼   ► - I'm gonna have to have David do that

00:02:02 ◼   ► 'cause I still haven't seen any of the Star Wars stuff

00:02:03 ◼   ► obviously 'cause it's been 10 years and I haven't been there.

00:02:06 ◼   ► My favorite ride at Disneyland,

00:02:08 ◼   ► knowing now that it's been a while since I've been there,

00:02:11 ◼   ► is I'm gonna say Big Thunder Mountain Railway

00:02:15 ◼   ► just because it's, in terms of,

00:02:18 ◼   ► I'm not a big rollercoaster person,

00:02:20 ◼   ► but in terms of rollercoasters,

00:02:21 ◼   ► I really do prefer the big bank side to side action

00:02:25 ◼   ► to the up and down and, you know, and I am not a fan of the upside down at all, but I

00:02:31 ◼   ► am a fan of the, and the big drops do not please me at all. I find them really unpleasant,

00:02:37 ◼   ► but that one's got a really good mixture of sort of like all the big banking turn things

00:02:42 ◼   ► that are very exciting. Space Mountain is also great. An added benefit being, of course,

00:02:48 ◼   ► it is the "what if we did the roller coaster while we turned out the lights?" That's pretty

00:02:53 ◼   ► - It's pretty good.

00:02:54 ◼   ► That's a great, that's a great, that's a great ride.

00:02:57 ◼   ► I, and, and, you know, we'll see.

00:03:00 ◼   ► I may actually take medication before I go the next time

00:03:03 ◼   ► because sometimes a motion control ride

00:03:05 ◼   ► can make me feel queasy.

00:03:06 ◼   ► - Right.

00:03:07 ◼   ► - Star Tours, I have had good Star Tours experiences

00:03:10 ◼   ► and bad Star Tours experiences.

00:03:12 ◼   ► I mean, nothing like, like really sick,

00:03:15 ◼   ► but like ending up not having as much fun as you might like.

00:03:20 ◼   ► And so I'm a little worried about that

00:03:22 ◼   ► for the other motion control stuff that they've got.

00:03:25 ◼   ► - They seem to lean quite heavily on that

00:03:27 ◼   ► in the more modern rides.

00:03:28 ◼   ► - Yeah, exactly right.

00:03:30 ◼   ► - I will recommend it for you,

00:03:32 ◼   ► especially for the Star Wars stuff.

00:03:33 ◼   ► - I'm just gonna have to take my anti-Vertigo medication

00:03:38 ◼   ► before I go to Disneyland and then it'll be okay.

00:03:44 ◼   ► So yeah, anyway, I've been saying for 20 years, whatever,

00:03:47 ◼   ► Big Thunder is my favorite because it's fun.

00:03:50 ◼   ► You're on a like runaway gold rush thing.

00:03:54 ◼   ► - It's classic.

00:03:54 ◼   ► - It just feels good, yeah.

00:03:56 ◼   ► - It's a great ride.

00:03:57 ◼   ► I've ridden that a couple of times.

00:03:58 ◼   ► And I think the difference between something like that

00:04:00 ◼   ► to more modern rides that they do,

00:04:03 ◼   ► really I think a lot of the more modern rides,

00:04:06 ◼   ► they lean on surprise.

00:04:08 ◼   ► And so once you've done it once, it's not the same.

00:04:13 ◼   ► Like the first time I did Rise of the Resistance,

00:04:15 ◼   ► which is the new Star Wars ride,

00:04:17 ◼   ► It absolutely blew my mind.

00:04:20 ◼   ► The second time, I was like, that was really good,

00:04:22 ◼   ► but it just wasn't the same.

00:04:24 ◼   ► - Right, because you don't have that moment.

00:04:27 ◼   ► I have enjoyed, like the Indiana Jones ride is great.

00:04:32 ◼   ► - That's a family favorite of the Hurley family.

00:04:35 ◼   ► - It is, it is really good.

00:04:37 ◼   ► Same thing, right?

00:04:40 ◼   ► Also, the last time we went,

00:04:41 ◼   ► they had a lot of technical problems,

00:04:43 ◼   ► so we were on that ride for quite a while,

00:04:47 ◼   ► because at several points it stopped.

00:04:50 ◼   ► (laughs)

00:04:52 ◼   ► And it was fine 'cause we weren't on so long

00:04:53 ◼   ► that we were miserable and there's lots to see,

00:04:56 ◼   ► but we did have the thing, it actually stopped.

00:04:58 ◼   ► You know, there's that place where you see

00:04:59 ◼   ► Indiana Jones dangling above you.

00:05:03 ◼   ► Well, he was there a long time, Myke.

00:05:07 ◼   ► - Man, he was, really got that upper body strength.

00:05:09 ◼   ► That's all there is to it.

00:05:10 ◼   ► - Yeah, he's holding on tight.

00:05:12 ◼   ► So anyway, but Disneyland's fun and I wish,

00:05:16 ◼   ► Lauren took the kids a few more times, so the kids have been a lot more than I have

00:05:22 ◼   ► during their lifetime, but I would like to go back there at some point. It's just a matter

00:05:26 ◼   ► of--you know, it's a funny thing of having the family right there. You don't ever make

00:05:31 ◼   ► a point of going to Disneyland, and as a result, you never go to Disneyland. And we just have

00:05:38 ◼   ► to--you know, basically we need to say, "We're going to take some time off midweek sometime

00:05:42 ◼   ► and just fly down and go to Disneyland. And the good news is our hotel is covered because,

00:05:47 ◼   ► you know, we have a place to stay, but we just have to make that effort. Maybe this

00:05:52 ◼   ► summer. I mean, summer is always busy at Disneyland, but maybe we'll do it. Who knows?

00:05:56 ◼   ► - If you would like to send in a question to help us open an episode of Upgrade, just

00:06:00 ◼   ► send in a tweet with the hashtag SnellTalk or use question mark SnellTalk in the RelayFM

00:06:06 ◼   ► members discord.

00:06:07 ◼   ► And just a shout out to Casey Liss,

00:06:09 ◼   ► no questions about my favorite anything at Walt Disney World

00:06:13 ◼   ► because I've never been to Orlando.

00:06:16 ◼   ► - Jason and I have returned

00:06:19 ◼   ► to the warm loving embrace of "Dongle Town."

00:06:22 ◼   ► - "Dongle Town" is eternal.

00:06:24 ◼   ► - I'm back in "Dongle Town."

00:06:25 ◼   ► - Yes.

00:06:28 ◼   ► - This is after talking about my frustrations maybe,

00:06:32 ◼   ► or like just some of my experience with the studio display

00:06:34 ◼   ► and the Logitech unifying receiver for their mouse.

00:06:39 ◼   ► So M. Ellis wrote in to say they had a better experience

00:06:42 ◼   ► with their Logitech mouse after plugging

00:06:44 ◼   ► the unifying receiver directly into the studio display

00:06:48 ◼   ► with the use of a USB-C to A dongle.

00:06:50 ◼   ► I think they were having similar issues to me

00:06:52 ◼   ► when using a dock that it was unresponsive,

00:06:55 ◼   ► like it was basically felt like,

00:06:57 ◼   ► I think the easiest way to describe it

00:06:58 ◼   ► is kind of like it was skipping frames in a way.

00:07:01 ◼   ► Like I would move the mouse and it would only move

00:07:03 ◼   ► say three quarters of the way that I would expect it to move. So some kind of interference.

00:07:08 ◼   ► So I think on Steven's recommendation, I ordered these little, like just a very small USB-C

00:07:15 ◼   ► to USB-A adapter. I found them on Amazon. Just like they were highly rated by like a

00:07:21 ◼   ► lot of this stuff on Amazon from a company I have never heard of called Nonda. Right.

00:07:26 ◼   ► You get these little weird things on Amazon.

00:07:28 ◼   ► - I have, it's funny, I have those,

00:07:30 ◼   ► if not from that company,

00:07:31 ◼   ► because it's a programmatically generated

00:07:33 ◼   ► random company name, but I have,

00:07:35 ◼   ► looking at what you bought, I have those.

00:07:37 ◼   ► I absolutely bought the two-pack of the USB-C to USB-A,

00:07:40 ◼   ► little tiny things that you stick in.

00:07:43 ◼   ► And it's, I mean, is it a dongle if it doesn't dangle?

00:07:47 ◼   ► (laughs)

00:07:48 ◼   ► It just, it's like an inline adapter kind of thing.

00:07:51 ◼   ► - It's still a dongle.

00:07:52 ◼   ► It's still a dongle.

00:07:53 ◼   ► - It's just not a dangling dongle.

00:07:55 ◼   ► - It's just not a dangle dongle, it's a regular dongle.

00:07:56 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:07:57 ◼   ► So I now have, it's come in a two pack right?

00:08:00 ◼   ► I only wanted it for unifying receiver.

00:08:02 ◼   ► Then I had a second one and I thought hang on a minute.

00:08:05 ◼   ► I then looked at my CalDigit dock and at that point I had just one thing attached to it

00:08:10 ◼   ► which was my keyboard cable.

00:08:12 ◼   ► Because the cable that I have for my keyboard is USB A to C. Because there can be weird

00:08:16 ◼   ► stuff with USB C to C cables and the way they work with keyboards, it's like a whole thing

00:08:21 ◼   ► I won't bother getting into but it can be unreliable.

00:08:24 ◼   ► So then I was like, oh, let me plug that directly in too.

00:08:28 ◼   ► And then I realized I no longer need my CalDigit Thunderbolt dock.

00:08:32 ◼   ► And the thing that has changed is the new MacBook Pro has basically all of the ports

00:08:36 ◼   ► on it that I would ever need except USB-A. Right?

00:08:41 ◼   ► So that's been the difference.

00:08:43 ◼   ► So now I am back to dongle life but with no more dock and I just have my Thunderbolt cable

00:08:49 ◼   ► going from the MacBook Pro straight into the display, and then I'm using two of the USB-C

00:08:54 ◼   ► ports with these little dongles in them for the two USB-A things going into it. And I'm

00:08:58 ◼   ► really happy because now my desk is even more empty than it was before, so it's great.

00:09:04 ◼   ► You know what has USB-A ports on it, Myke? The Mac Studio.

00:09:07 ◼   ► The Mac Studio, yeah, but I don't need a Mac Studio. I don't need that.

00:09:11 ◼   ► I know.

00:09:12 ◼   ► Plus it's impossible for me to get one even if I wanted one.

00:09:15 ◼   ► I do have USB-A going into the Mac studio here too.

00:09:18 ◼   ► So it's all under the desk.

00:09:20 ◼   ► So all those cables are under the desk,

00:09:22 ◼   ► my keyboard and my stream deck and all that,

00:09:23 ◼   ► they're plugged in under the desk.

00:09:25 ◼   ► I have a USB, what I have to consider on my end

00:09:31 ◼   ► is that I have a little USB-A hub under the desk

00:09:36 ◼   ► and I'm not sure I need it

00:09:37 ◼   ► 'cause the computer's under there now, right?

00:09:38 ◼   ► Like unless I need more ports and I'm not sure I do,

00:09:41 ◼   ► I'm gonna have to revisit that

00:09:43 ◼   ► 'cause I might actually not even need that hub anymore.

00:09:46 ◼   ► But that's good.

00:09:48 ◼   ► It's a good solution.

00:09:49 ◼   ► The dock adds complexity that you don't actually need,

00:09:54 ◼   ► especially considering that the keyboard and mouse,

00:09:59 ◼   ► they're there to be used in front of the display, right?

00:10:06 ◼   ► So plugging them into the display makes sense.

00:10:11 ◼   ► - Yeah, and so I'm just really,

00:10:13 ◼   ► 'cause then it's just that one cable now,

00:10:15 ◼   ► and it goes straight into the display,

00:10:18 ◼   ► and I just don't need, you know,

00:10:19 ◼   ► like I previously was like, oh, for the occasional time

00:10:22 ◼   ► I need an SD card, or the occasional time

00:10:24 ◼   ► that I need this or that, I then have this Thunderbolt dock,

00:10:27 ◼   ► but I don't need that now with the MacBook Pro,

00:10:28 ◼   ► 'cause it has those ports in it.

00:10:30 ◼   ► And look, I of course thought, like the MacStudio,

00:10:32 ◼   ► I could probably plug everything that I need into that,

00:10:34 ◼   ► but I don't want one for that desk, and I--

00:10:37 ◼   ► - It's a very expensive dock.

00:10:39 ◼   ► - Yes, and I don't need one.

00:10:41 ◼   ► I'm still not sure it's the right machine

00:10:43 ◼   ► to replace my iMac.

00:10:44 ◼   ► I just haven't really put any thought into it yet.

00:10:47 ◼   ► I'm gonna wait a little longer

00:10:49 ◼   ► and see what later on in the year provides for me anyway.

00:10:52 ◼   ► And we will talk about that later on in the show

00:10:54 ◼   ► because there is, I do also imagine this world

00:10:57 ◼   ► where I actually just use two laptops,

00:10:58 ◼   ► but we'll talk about that at another point.

00:11:00 ◼   ► - Wow.

00:11:01 ◼   ► - Because I just think a MacBook Air,

00:11:03 ◼   ► a colorful MacBook Air could just be really nice,

00:11:05 ◼   ► but we could talk about it later on.

00:11:07 ◼   ► But yeah, I'll wrap this up by saying,

00:11:09 ◼   ► and Back to Zongle Life, and seriously Logitech,

00:11:11 ◼   ► what is wrong with you?

00:11:12 ◼   ► Make a USB receiver.

00:11:14 ◼   ► Like your mouse, the MX Master mouse that I use,

00:11:17 ◼   ► it has a USB-C port for charging.

00:11:19 ◼   ► So you know USB-C exists

00:11:21 ◼   ► and it's better than what you had before.

00:11:23 ◼   ► Why do you only make a USB-A receiver?

00:11:26 ◼   ► - And here, let me say that if you're thinking Logitech,

00:11:29 ◼   ► you gotta think like Apple, right?

00:11:32 ◼   ► You put the USB-A adapter in the box

00:11:36 ◼   ► and then you sell a USB-C receiver.

00:11:39 ◼   ► - Yeah, I'll buy it.

00:11:41 ◼   ► - On your website for a premium price.

00:11:44 ◼   ► - Go for it, you know.

00:11:45 ◼   ► - And people will buy it, come on.

00:11:48 ◼   ► - Many people sent me a link.

00:11:50 ◼   ► - Including me.

00:11:52 ◼   ► - The many, many people sent me this,

00:11:53 ◼   ► and it was right, I wanted to see it,

00:11:55 ◼   ► so I'm happy people sent it to me.

00:11:57 ◼   ► @chaos_t on Twitter ripped apart a magic keyboard

00:12:02 ◼   ► with the touch ID button in it,

00:12:06 ◼   ► and now has on their desk a very small board

00:12:09 ◼   ► with just the touch ID power button.

00:12:14 ◼   ► Basically removing the requirement

00:12:18 ◼   ► to have the keyboard anywhere, right?

00:12:20 ◼   ► - Right. - Have I done a decent job

00:12:21 ◼   ► of explaining that?

00:12:22 ◼   ► Maybe you could do a better job of it.

00:12:23 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's a, so ChaosT took the,

00:12:28 ◼   ► you followed the iFixit instructions

00:12:32 ◼   ► to disassemble the Magic Keyboard with Touch ID

00:12:37 ◼   ► and stripped it down to what appears to be a circuit board

00:12:42 ◼   ► and one connector that goes to the Touch ID sensor.

00:12:46 ◼   ► And it's plugged in via lightning and it works.

00:12:52 ◼   ► And I look at this and I think, one,

00:13:01 ◼   ► I'm kind of tempted to do this, except I would just destroy this keyboard.

00:13:05 ◼   ► And like, but I, cause I have, I like you, I have the, it's the Myke Hurley method.

00:13:09 ◼   ► I have a, an entire keyboard Velcro under my desk so that I can have the touch ID

00:13:13 ◼   ► button. Um, and two, I think to myself, somebody, if this, if there is a standard

00:13:20 ◼   ► set of instructions about how to do this, the next step is that somebody also needs

00:13:24 ◼   ► to sell a little 3d printed plastic.

00:13:27 ◼   ► Shell for it.

00:13:30 ◼   ► So you could have a little touch ID thing on your desk.

00:13:33 ◼   ► And then third, I'll say,

00:13:37 ◼   ► Apple just sell a touch ID box.

00:13:41 ◼   ► Just do it.

00:13:42 ◼   ► - There's no way that whole board

00:13:44 ◼   ► that's connected to the touch ID

00:13:46 ◼   ► is what's needed for the touch ID.

00:13:47 ◼   ► 'Cause that board is an entire keyboard.

00:13:50 ◼   ► The majority of what's inside of the keyboard is battery.

00:13:53 ◼   ► So Jason, I'm here to tell you today,

00:13:56 ◼   ► I purchased all of the requisite parts to do this.

00:13:59 ◼   ► - Oh, all right.

00:14:02 ◼   ► - So I will be following up on this maybe next week

00:14:05 ◼   ► or the week after, depending on when everything comes in.

00:14:07 ◼   ► 'Cause I needed a couple of extra things from iFixit.

00:14:11 ◼   ► Like they have this thing called the iOpener,

00:14:13 ◼   ► which is a very clever product,

00:14:15 ◼   ► which basically you heat up and it will help you

00:14:17 ◼   ► remove the adhesive 'cause there's a lot of adhesive.

00:14:20 ◼   ► At least the iFixit guide is for a previous version

00:14:24 ◼   ► of the Magic Keyboard.

00:14:25 ◼   ► I don't know if that's changed.

00:14:27 ◼   ► this one that the iFixit guide that is linked is the prior version so they may have made

00:14:33 ◼   ► some changes but but Chaos T said to someone who asked just follow this guide and it's everything

00:14:39 ◼   ► that you need so my plan is to is multiple stages one is to extract it and make sure it works

00:14:47 ◼   ► and then i'm going to try and source something to put it in and then just have it sitting on my desk

00:14:52 ◼   ► so yeah i thought this could be a fun little project i might stream it i might actually stream

00:14:57 ◼   ► the process, but it depends when everything comes in. The keyboard is on the way, but now

00:15:01 ◼   ► I will wait for the iFixit parts to ship. Yeah, I just feel like what I would want out of it was

00:15:08 ◼   ► something that was more like the, because Chaos T has a whole back plate that the lightning goes

00:15:14 ◼   ► into, and that's nice, but it also has the board like right there on top. I don't like that. I

00:15:23 ◼   ► I don't like that.

00:15:23 ◼   ► I want a little rectangle.

00:15:26 ◼   ► I want a little rectangle with that one button on it

00:15:29 ◼   ► and that's it.

00:15:31 ◼   ► - So this will be a process,

00:15:34 ◼   ► but I have begun that process

00:15:36 ◼   ► 'cause this seems like a fun project to try and make work.

00:15:39 ◼   ► - Sure, what you can't do is like just take a chainsaw

00:15:42 ◼   ► and cut off the button, that won't work.

00:15:43 ◼   ► You have to disconnect.

00:15:45 ◼   ► You have to do some serious surgery

00:15:46 ◼   ► and like disconnect all of the other keys,

00:15:49 ◼   ► leaving you only with the touch ID.

00:15:51 ◼   ► But yeah, it's a cool idea.

00:15:56 ◼   ► I'm very happy with my touch ID button under the desk.

00:16:01 ◼   ► It's fun.

00:16:02 ◼   ► I was using the 1Password beta

00:16:06 ◼   ► and they have support for SSH keys in 1Password,

00:16:11 ◼   ► which seemed great,

00:16:12 ◼   ► except then suddenly I had to authenticate

00:16:15 ◼   ► every time I was connecting to my server,

00:16:16 ◼   ► whereas I just had those,

00:16:17 ◼   ► like I had those keys, it's fine.

00:16:20 ◼   ► I had to like comment those keys out.

00:16:23 ◼   ► And anyway, I undid that, but in the run of the mill,

00:16:26 ◼   ► kind of like I need you to authenticate

00:16:29 ◼   ► to be able to just put my finger right under my desk

00:16:31 ◼   ► and it gets done, it's pretty great.

00:16:34 ◼   ► And it's kind of like a little magic trick.

00:16:36 ◼   ► However, when I look at the underside of my desk,

00:16:38 ◼   ► when I'm doing something else down there,

00:16:40 ◼   ► I just laugh 'cause there's a whole keyboard.

00:16:42 ◼   ► And if I do overshoot a little bit,

00:16:43 ◼   ► then a couple of extra letters get typed, which is silly.

00:16:47 ◼   ► It's silly.

00:16:48 ◼   ► So yeah, I don't know what I'll do with this,

00:16:50 ◼   ► but I wanna give it a go.

00:16:52 ◼   ► This seemed like a fun enough project to at least try.

00:16:54 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah, you should definitely try it.

00:16:56 ◼   ► And like I said, whatever you end up doing

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00:17:02 ◼   ► I think that'll be interesting too,

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00:17:09 ◼   ► as a functional little tiny thing,

00:17:12 ◼   ► would be to figure out how could you mount that

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00:19:37 ◼   ► WWDC has been announced June 6th to 9th.

00:19:40 ◼   ► - I guess I pre-announced it when I said

00:19:42 ◼   ► that it was happening the week that my son

00:19:43 ◼   ► is graduating from high school, but yes.

00:19:45 ◼   ► - Everybody else needed that context, right?

00:19:47 ◼   ► - Once again, it is the last week of school for my children

00:19:51 ◼   ► and it is also WWDC.

00:19:53 ◼   ► - Kind of expected first full week of June.

00:19:55 ◼   ► - As is tradition.

00:19:56 ◼   ► - It is in essence a fully online affair,

00:20:00 ◼   ► but Apple are going to be-- - With a twist.

00:20:01 ◼   ► - Well, I mean, not really.

00:20:02 ◼   ► I mean, kind of, sure.

00:20:04 ◼   ► There is going to be a small, I think very small event

00:20:07 ◼   ► for developers at Apple Park to watch the keynote

00:20:10 ◼   ► and State of the Union.

00:20:11 ◼   ► - I was listening to you guys talk about this

00:20:12 ◼   ► on Connected last week.

00:20:13 ◼   ► And I thought it was interesting because you were kind of

00:20:15 ◼   ► approaching it with the, like it was a small event

00:20:19 ◼   ► and are you going to apply to be there and all of that?

00:20:21 ◼   ► And I thought to myself,

00:20:22 ◼   ► I think that's the wrong way to look at this.

00:20:24 ◼   ► This is a PR opportunity is what this is.

00:20:27 ◼   ► Apple is going to do a PR opportunity

00:20:29 ◼   ► where they're going to showcase off certain developers

00:20:32 ◼   ► and students, right?

00:20:34 ◼   ► And like have it be, you know, again,

00:20:37 ◼   ► 'cause it's gonna be such a small group

00:20:39 ◼   ► that it is really not,

00:20:40 ◼   ► I don't think they're gonna even calculate in

00:20:43 ◼   ► like the people who are gonna get invited

00:20:45 ◼   ► that are VIPs, like very important or VITs,

00:20:48 ◼   ► very important developers will be invited

00:20:51 ◼   ► because they want to, you know, politically,

00:20:54 ◼   ► they wanna show their appreciation for those developers.

00:20:57 ◼   ► But I think in the end, the way I read it is

00:21:00 ◼   ► it's basically spectacle and Apple will use it to show,

00:21:05 ◼   ► like look at our great students that we've got

00:21:10 ◼   ► and look at our great developers in a way,

00:21:11 ◼   ► but it's really irrelevant to the event.

00:21:15 ◼   ► I think it's just a little sort of side show.

00:21:18 ◼   ► I do wonder, I've seen some people say media as well.

00:21:23 ◼   ► I'm unclear on that one.

00:21:24 ◼   ► - We're gonna talk about Mark Gurman's report in a bit,

00:21:26 ◼   ► but Mark specifically says media as if it's a thing.

00:21:30 ◼   ► I expect it is in Apple's plan to invite at least some media.

00:21:35 ◼   ► For the same reason, some developers will be,

00:21:38 ◼   ► I think as you say, outrightly invited just for the meetings

00:21:42 ◼   ► that some people at Apple would like to have

00:21:44 ◼   ► with them afterwards,

00:21:44 ◼   ► and it's just a great way to bring them in.

00:21:46 ◼   ► I expect at least some media will be invited

00:21:49 ◼   ► so there can be some in-person conversations

00:21:52 ◼   ► and briefings that happen afterwards,

00:21:53 ◼   ► would be my expectation.

00:21:55 ◼   ► - That's possible.

00:21:56 ◼   ► My reluctance is that I wonder if it's gonna end up being,

00:22:01 ◼   ► like I said, a PR event where media will be invited,

00:22:05 ◼   ► but what they're really gonna be invited there to do

00:22:07 ◼   ► is like hear from the students

00:22:09 ◼   ► or hear from the Apple hand-picked developers.

00:22:13 ◼   ► - Well sure, that's still like a,

00:22:15 ◼   ► there's a PR opportunity that they're looking to go for,

00:22:18 ◼   ► so they'll bring at least some media in.

00:22:21 ◼   ► I would assume too.

00:22:22 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's interesting 'cause that's something

00:22:25 ◼   ► that I'm watching is are they gonna be inviting media

00:22:28 ◼   ► to cover WWDC keynote and provide access

00:22:32 ◼   ► to maybe some of the people who work at Apple

00:22:35 ◼   ► for briefings and things like that?

00:22:37 ◼   ► Or are they gonna invite media there to feed them stories

00:22:42 ◼   ► about the developers, 'cause the inspirational developers

00:22:45 ◼   ► that are there, right?

00:22:47 ◼   ► 'Cause that's different, right?

00:22:48 ◼   ► If you're covering, are you covering the event

00:22:51 ◼   ► or are you, or sorry, let me rephrase that.

00:22:54 ◼   ► are you covering WWDC keynote and State of the Union,

00:22:57 ◼   ► or are you there to cover people in Apple Park

00:23:02 ◼   ► watching the keynote in the State of the Union?

00:23:04 ◼   ► I think that would be one of my questions

00:23:06 ◼   ► if media is invited at all.

00:23:08 ◼   ► It's different if they're fishing for public interest,

00:23:10 ◼   ► for little public interest stories about,

00:23:11 ◼   ► like inspirational stories about this great developer

00:23:14 ◼   ► or something like that.

00:23:15 ◼   ► That's a different kind of PR technique

00:23:18 ◼   ► than saying we're inviting some members of the media

00:23:21 ◼   ► to watch the event either in Apple Park campus

00:23:25 ◼   ► or maybe they send the media to the Steve Jobs Theater.

00:23:28 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:23:29 ◼   ► It's an interesting wrinkle.

00:23:32 ◼   ► My guess at this point, my gut feeling is that it's kind of

00:23:35 ◼   ► more a, I don't wanna call it a stunt,

00:23:38 ◼   ► but kind of a PR stunt, right?

00:23:40 ◼   ► Like it's more for show to say, we're slowly opening up

00:23:44 ◼   ► and we're gonna have a watch party,

00:23:46 ◼   ► but it's still gonna be online.

00:23:48 ◼   ► That said, it's not that far off from the thing

00:23:50 ◼   ► that I've been saying all along,

00:23:52 ◼   ► which is that they will probably try hard

00:23:53 ◼   ► to have some sort of in-person component,

00:23:56 ◼   ► but it won't be what we think of as WWDC.

00:23:59 ◼   ► It'll be more like,

00:24:01 ◼   ► 'cause I'm thinking that maybe next year,

00:24:03 ◼   ► they'll invite media and select developers

00:24:06 ◼   ► to the Steve Jobs Theater for a live keynote,

00:24:10 ◼   ► and maybe a live State of the Union presentation,

00:24:13 ◼   ► or maybe not, but something that, some live aspect,

00:24:16 ◼   ► but it doesn't kick off an event

00:24:19 ◼   ► that's in the real world, it just kicks off the week of videos.

00:24:23 ◼   ► Yeah, I imagine that too. The weeks of videos and online labs and stuff.

00:24:27 ◼   ► Yeah, and it lets them have people there to talk to and to do briefings and to do all

00:24:31 ◼   ► of that stuff. It lets them have that, but it's not the "let's get thousands of developers"

00:24:34 ◼   ► kind of thing ever again.

00:24:36 ◼   ► We're going to dig into this more in a minute, but there is a possibility of hardware at

00:24:40 ◼   ► WWDC, which could be a reason to bring some media in if they maybe want to do some kind

00:24:43 ◼   ► the limited hands-on which would also allow them to start the potential drive run of an

00:24:50 ◼   ► iPhone event, a headset event later on in the year as well.

00:24:54 ◼   ► Right, because we figure at some point they're going to have some very important hardware.

00:24:58 ◼   ► Yes.

00:24:59 ◼   ► That's VIH.

00:25:00 ◼   ► Just adding all the very importance this time.

00:25:01 ◼   ► It's a very important podcast, VIP.

00:25:04 ◼   ► See?

00:25:05 ◼   ► It is, they're going to do that, right?

00:25:07 ◼   ► They're going to do, if it's all humanly possible, they're going to do an in-person event because

00:25:12 ◼   ► they're going to have hardware that they really want the press to get their hands on.

00:25:15 ◼   ► I guess we don't know what will happen with COVID levels. I would imagine it's going to

00:25:20 ◼   ► be one of those things where everybody is going to have to be vaccinated and probably

00:25:24 ◼   ► pass a test in order to do, but they could do that and they will still be able to put

00:25:30 ◼   ► on that event. So I think they're going to want, I think you make a good point that in

00:25:34 ◼   ► some ways this is a little bit of a test case, a little bit of a dry run.

00:25:37 ◼   ► Could be right? So to dig into this a little bit more, I guess we're in the room around

00:25:44 ◼   ► up, Sheriff Mark Gurman is reporting, "Original plans for this WWDC were to be the unveiling

00:25:51 ◼   ► of the Apple headset, but that's likely been pushed. Though iOS 16, understandably, is

00:25:58 ◼   ► full of references to it currently," is what Mark has been told. But that's like, of course,

00:26:02 ◼   ► I mean, it's only internal and the expectation is that this headset will be released during

00:26:08 ◼   ► the Iowa 16 cycle and we also expect the headset to be very intertwined with the phone. So

00:26:14 ◼   ► all of this stuff makes perfect sense and is all pointed towards what we would expect.

00:26:19 ◼   ► The challenge that they have is the gap between giving developers information about the product

00:26:30 ◼   ► and the release of the product.

00:26:33 ◼   ► And they do everything on an OS cycle based on September.

00:26:38 ◼   ► And so it's tough for them to,

00:26:44 ◼   ► like I think announcing the existence of the headset

00:26:47 ◼   ► at WWDC with a reality-based OS kind of component to it

00:26:52 ◼   ► is the ideal situation.

00:26:55 ◼   ► And Mark Gurman saying that's what they were shooting for,

00:26:58 ◼   ► but they probably won't make it.

00:27:01 ◼   ► So the fallback, to me, the fallback is

00:27:05 ◼   ► they could do it at any time during the summer,

00:27:08 ◼   ► or they could really do it at the same event

00:27:10 ◼   ► as the iPhone unveiling. - That's what I think.

00:27:12 ◼   ► I think do it at the iPhone.

00:27:13 ◼   ► - And it doesn't ship for a few months.

00:27:15 ◼   ► So what you say is-- - Yeah, you've got

00:27:16 ◼   ► the whole world watching.

00:27:18 ◼   ► The whole world watches. - Yeah, and so you say

00:27:19 ◼   ► iOS 16 is here, and what?

00:27:23 ◼   ► There's also this other thing in developers,

00:27:25 ◼   ► it's based on what you've been working on

00:27:26 ◼   ► all summer with iOS.

00:27:28 ◼   ► given that it's an open secret, it also allows Apple,

00:27:31 ◼   ► and I know we've talked about this before,

00:27:33 ◼   ► but like the existence of all of its existing AR

00:27:36 ◼   ► and VR stuff allows Apple to just matter of factly state,

00:27:41 ◼   ► iOS 16 has all of this new stuff for virtual reality

00:27:44 ◼   ► and augmented reality, and even potentially a way

00:27:49 ◼   ► to test it using existing off the shelf hardware

00:27:54 ◼   ► from other companies and just say,

00:27:56 ◼   ► yeah, this is a thing we're doing.

00:27:58 ◼   ► And not say a word about the fact

00:27:59 ◼   ► that there's gonna be hardware on the other end of it.

00:28:02 ◼   ► It's just like, no, you can try this stuff out.

00:28:05 ◼   ► And everybody knows why.

00:28:07 ◼   ► They don't have to say why.

00:28:08 ◼   ► Everybody knows why.

00:28:09 ◼   ► And it frees them to make that actual announcement later

00:28:13 ◼   ► and still give a few months buffer

00:28:16 ◼   ► before the software has to be ready.

00:28:17 ◼   ► So, yeah, I mean, it wouldn't surprise me

00:28:22 ◼   ► if they did basically acknowledge

00:28:24 ◼   ► we are working on a product

00:28:26 ◼   ► or even do a sneak peek with very high level stuff

00:28:29 ◼   ► and say it's in the OS,

00:28:30 ◼   ► and we'll provide more details later.

00:28:35 ◼   ► But that's not what I would pick

00:28:38 ◼   ► as the most likely scenario.

00:28:39 ◼   ► I think the scenario where they announce it in September

00:28:42 ◼   ► is the most likely.

00:28:43 ◼   ► And soft pedal it in June and be like,

00:28:46 ◼   ► yeah, yeah, there's a lot of VR and AR stuff in here.

00:28:49 ◼   ► Strongly implied, but not stated outright,

00:28:53 ◼   ► which they can do.

00:28:55 ◼   ► Because again, they're not fooling anybody, right?

00:28:58 ◼   ► They're just not ready to talk about it yet.

00:29:00 ◼   ► But they could talk about all the juicy APIs

00:29:03 ◼   ► that are in the new OSs

00:29:05 ◼   ► without actually announcing the product.

00:29:07 ◼   ► And I think that's the best way to do it.

00:29:09 ◼   ► - They could go a long way, right?

00:29:11 ◼   ► They could go a long way to,

00:29:13 ◼   ► we've got this new AR stuff

00:29:14 ◼   ► and never need to talk about reality OS

00:29:17 ◼   ► or whatever they're gonna call it, right?

00:29:19 ◼   ► - Exactly.

00:29:20 ◼   ► - Because every single year

00:29:21 ◼   ► they spend a significant portion of WWDC

00:29:23 ◼   ► talking about the AR updates.

00:29:24 ◼   ► like it's a thing. And so they can just say, "Hey, we've got all this new stuff."

00:29:28 ◼   ► You know, it can be like, you remember like one of the classics I always think

00:29:32 ◼   ► of is size classes on iPad or what was iOS for iPad, you know? Like all apps

00:29:39 ◼   ► should be able to adapt their size. And then everyone will say, "Well,

00:29:44 ◼   ► obviously they are trying to have multitasking on the iPad." You know,

00:29:49 ◼   ► it's like one of the classic ones where it's like they will telegraph something

00:29:52 ◼   ► to you a year in advance or months in advance

00:29:55 ◼   ► because they've got this thing coming down the line.

00:29:57 ◼   ► iOS 16 is also set to include updates to notifications

00:30:01 ◼   ► and new health tracking features, says Mark Gurman.

00:30:05 ◼   ► I don't really know what this means.

00:30:07 ◼   ► Honestly, like I don't know what the iPhone

00:30:10 ◼   ► will be doing for health tracking.

00:30:12 ◼   ► Mark does say watchOS 9 is also expected

00:30:14 ◼   ► to get new health focus features.

00:30:17 ◼   ► I can believe that, but I don't know what that means

00:30:20 ◼   ► with no new sensors.

00:30:22 ◼   ► hazy notifications updates.

00:30:27 ◼   ► Like, okay, I mean-

00:30:28 ◼   ► - I hope so, because Focus Mode needs more effort put on it.

00:30:32 ◼   ► - Who among us would not say that trying

00:30:35 ◼   ► to make notifications better in iOS would not be admirable?

00:30:37 ◼   ► - But I'm genuinely really happy about this

00:30:39 ◼   ► 'cause I was like, oh, they put this new system in.

00:30:42 ◼   ► It will be the old Apple way.

00:30:43 ◼   ► It's been two years before they touch it again.

00:30:45 ◼   ► But my hope will be that like they did all this stuff

00:30:47 ◼   ► to notifications, Focus Mode, time sensitive,

00:30:50 ◼   ► summary is all good stuff, but needs more.

00:30:53 ◼   ► And so, push it forward.

00:30:55 ◼   ► They're gonna keep doing that.

00:30:56 ◼   ► iPad OS 16 is expected to have yet another redesign

00:31:00 ◼   ► of multitasking.

00:31:01 ◼   ► - So that's all, I mean, that's really all he says

00:31:04 ◼   ► is it's another redesign of multitasking.

00:31:06 ◼   ► I think, and I know Federico had lots of feelings

00:31:10 ◼   ► about this.

00:31:11 ◼   ► - We can talk about it on connected.

00:31:13 ◼   ► - I'm sure.

00:31:14 ◼   ► So what I'll say, I'll just throw this in here before you.

00:31:15 ◼   ► - I wanna know what you think.

00:31:16 ◼   ► - Before you get to connected.

00:31:19 ◼   ► I enjoy listening to Connected.

00:31:20 ◼   ► I listen to Connected live when I run

00:31:23 ◼   ► and then I also listen like when I get home.

00:31:25 ◼   ► And it's always very funny

00:31:27 ◼   ► 'cause you start talking about me while I'm taking a shower

00:31:29 ◼   ► and I can't even text you to dispute your claims about me.

00:31:33 ◼   ► - You need to use Siri, you know.

00:31:35 ◼   ► - It's very fun.

00:31:36 ◼   ► - Just shout out.

00:31:37 ◼   ► - I enjoy that podcast a lot.

00:31:38 ◼   ► So anyway, what I would say is,

00:31:41 ◼   ► it's a report from Mark Gurman.

00:31:45 ◼   ► So he's getting this sort of like described to him

00:31:48 ◼   ► and not in any detail.

00:31:49 ◼   ► It's just like there's multitasking stuff in there.

00:31:51 ◼   ► And my immediate thought is,

00:31:53 ◼   ► this is external display support

00:31:56 ◼   ► and potentially support for a larger screened iPad.

00:31:59 ◼   ► And after what they did last year,

00:32:02 ◼   ► I have a hard time believing

00:32:03 ◼   ► that they will truly redesign multitasking

00:32:06 ◼   ► because the new system that they put in place last year,

00:32:10 ◼   ► and Federico's pointed this out,

00:32:12 ◼   ► it's a new way of doing what has already been possible.

00:32:15 ◼   ► Like it wasn't adding features to multitasking,

00:32:18 ◼   ► it was like changing the way you did those features.

00:32:21 ◼   ► - Made it clearer in some ways.

00:32:23 ◼   ► It made it more obscure and complicated in others,

00:32:25 ◼   ► but the basics of it is a bit more simple.

00:32:28 ◼   ► - Right, but I always read the iPadOS 15 updates

00:32:32 ◼   ► as being laying the foundation for more complex multitasking

00:32:35 ◼   ► that what they were really doing was building a new system

00:32:39 ◼   ► of multitasking interface because they knew multitasking

00:32:43 ◼   ► was going to get more complicated down the road,

00:32:47 ◼   ► and they needed to start from a different metaphor

00:32:50 ◼   ► if they were gonna do that.

00:32:51 ◼   ► - They needed to start putting some visual buttons in, right?

00:32:54 ◼   ► 'Cause now you're gonna get maybe four corners

00:32:57 ◼   ► and all that kind of stuff.

00:32:58 ◼   ► - Right, because they've got the little SF symbol elements

00:33:02 ◼   ► for tiling and stuff like that,

00:33:04 ◼   ► like on the little dots at the top of a window.

00:33:07 ◼   ► And they've got the multi-window concept

00:33:09 ◼   ► in their little dock and all of that.

00:33:11 ◼   ► Like they have been moving in this direction.

00:33:13 ◼   ► So when I read the Mark Gurman report,

00:33:17 ◼   ► I am wish casting a little bit,

00:33:20 ◼   ► but my take on that is that what this probably means

00:33:23 ◼   ► is that they're now going,

00:33:24 ◼   ► using this new sort of system that they set out in iPadOS 15,

00:33:29 ◼   ► this is when they push it forward and say,

00:33:33 ◼   ► "Okay, you can do more now.

00:33:35 ◼   ► You can do a grid or tiles,

00:33:39 ◼   ► So you can put different apps in different places

00:33:42 ◼   ► on the screen.

00:33:42 ◼   ► And we're gonna open up the external display things

00:33:47 ◼   ► so that it's actually usable

00:33:48 ◼   ► because it's not just that it's dumb

00:33:51 ◼   ► that you can attach an iPad to a studio display

00:33:54 ◼   ► and it shows pillar boxed and upscaled

00:33:57 ◼   ► what's on the screen of the iPad.

00:33:59 ◼   ► But even if the iPad were able to use the full 5K

00:34:02 ◼   ► to display something that's not on the screen,

00:34:05 ◼   ► with the existing multitasking, it would be really dumb

00:34:08 ◼   ► because you're very limited in,

00:34:10 ◼   ► you basically would be, would have split view.

00:34:13 ◼   ► And that's all you would have.

00:34:14 ◼   ► For a larger display,

00:34:15 ◼   ► you need to be able to tile more apps

00:34:18 ◼   ► and have more control over where your apps go.

00:34:21 ◼   ► Even if it's not full on Mac windows,

00:34:23 ◼   ► you would still need more control than you currently have.

00:34:28 ◼   ► So you can't just do external display support

00:34:30 ◼   ► without adding better, more flexible multitasking support.

00:34:35 ◼   ► So I choose to read this rumor

00:34:38 ◼   ► as being that we're finally gonna get

00:34:40 ◼   ► some form of advanced multi-window multitasking

00:34:44 ◼   ► in some form and probably external display support too,

00:34:47 ◼   ► especially now that Apple is actually selling

00:34:49 ◼   ► its own semi-reasonably priced external display.

00:34:54 ◼   ► If you wanna roll your eyes at this,

00:34:58 ◼   ► you could say they're just gonna redesign the same thing

00:35:01 ◼   ► for the ninth time.

00:35:02 ◼   ► And it's like, how many times are they gonna try

00:35:04 ◼   ► to do this before realizing they're not gonna make

00:35:07 ◼   ► multitasking happen, but I choose to believe

00:35:10 ◼   ► that this is actually part of the plan

00:35:12 ◼   ► that started with iOS 15 and is going, or iPadOS 15,

00:35:15 ◼   ► and that they're gonna advance,

00:35:18 ◼   ► now that they've redefined it,

00:35:19 ◼   ► now they're gonna advance it.

00:35:20 ◼   ► That's what I choose to believe.

00:35:22 ◼   ► - Okay, I'm definitely in a for me once, shame on me,

00:35:24 ◼   ► for me twice kind of situation

00:35:26 ◼   ► when it comes to iPad multitasking.

00:35:28 ◼   ► - I get it, and I've been there too,

00:35:30 ◼   ► but I'm reminded of some of our drafts

00:35:31 ◼   ► where we've done that and been like,

00:35:34 ◼   ► yeah, I'm not gonna pick the Apple external display.

00:35:36 ◼   ► That's not gonna happen.

00:35:37 ◼   ► I've picked it too many times and then it happens, right?

00:35:40 ◼   ► Sometimes Apple fools you so many times

00:35:43 ◼   ► that you really just have to give up,

00:35:44 ◼   ► but then sometimes they come through

00:35:45 ◼   ► with the thing that you've been waiting for

00:35:46 ◼   ► just way later than you thought.

00:35:48 ◼   ► - They wait until the moment you give up

00:35:50 ◼   ► and then give it to you.

00:35:51 ◼   ► - Well, the release of the studio display,

00:35:54 ◼   ► I do think is almost a necessary thing

00:35:58 ◼   ► for external display support on the iPad.

00:36:00 ◼   ► I feel like it was almost a requirement

00:36:03 ◼   ► that Apple have a reasonable iPad external display

00:36:07 ◼   ► that they could use.

00:36:08 ◼   ► 'Cause I could never really envision them saying,

00:36:11 ◼   ► hey, we did iPad external display support

00:36:14 ◼   ► and here's this LG monitor, right?

00:36:16 ◼   ► Like I couldn't, or here's the Pro Display XDR.

00:36:19 ◼   ► I couldn't see that, but I can see it now.

00:36:22 ◼   ► But yeah, I think everybody,

00:36:24 ◼   ► now that I've gotten your hopes up,

00:36:26 ◼   ► don't get your hopes up, right?

00:36:27 ◼   ► Like I think everybody needs to be level headed about this

00:36:30 ◼   ► because this might be it.

00:36:32 ◼   ► But it hasn't been so far.

00:36:36 ◼   ► So, you know, the pessimists are always

00:36:38 ◼   ► either either right or it exceeded their expectations.

00:36:42 ◼   ► That's the advantage of being a pessimist, I guess.

00:36:44 ◼   ► So everybody pick their poison,

00:36:45 ◼   ► but I'm choosing to be optimistic about this.

00:36:47 ◼   ► I feel like they're in exactly the right place

00:36:49 ◼   ► to finally do this.

00:36:51 ◼   ► - Yeah, I will say I am going along

00:36:54 ◼   ► and I agree with what you just said about the,

00:36:57 ◼   ► you couldn't imagine them saying,

00:36:59 ◼   ► "Hey, we've got this new display support,

00:37:02 ◼   ► get an XDR, right?

00:37:04 ◼   ► However, they did do that for the Mac for a long time.

00:37:08 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:37:09 ◼   ► - Right, even like the Mac mini,

00:37:11 ◼   ► which it needed a display,

00:37:13 ◼   ► and they had no problem then saying,

00:37:15 ◼   ► "Get this one," you know, or some other display.

00:37:18 ◼   ► But I, but wanna say, I just wanted to make that point.

00:37:21 ◼   ► However, I do agree with what you're saying about,

00:37:24 ◼   ► it would have been kind of weird to add display support

00:37:26 ◼   ► to another device, but yet not have a display to give you.

00:37:30 ◼   ► - Not a good story, right?

00:37:31 ◼   ► Apple likes their stories.

00:37:32 ◼   ► - Yeah, it doesn't tie up.

00:37:33 ◼   ► Where the other products, their legacy really,

00:37:36 ◼   ► you know what I mean?

00:37:37 ◼   ► The all this stuff has been around before

00:37:39 ◼   ► and at least with every other,

00:37:40 ◼   ► well at least with all the laptops,

00:37:42 ◼   ► it's like you can if you want to, but you don't need to.

00:37:45 ◼   ► The Mac Pro was like, well, what else are you gonna attach

00:37:47 ◼   ► your million dollar computer to?

00:37:49 ◼   ► You know what I mean?

00:37:51 ◼   ► - Half a million dollars play.

00:37:52 ◼   ► - The outlier and for the Mac Mini being

00:37:54 ◼   ► the quote unquote cheaper Mac,

00:37:56 ◼   ► you could say get this ultra fine, right?

00:37:59 ◼   ► The stories were, whilst a little disjointed,

00:38:01 ◼   ► you could make them, and with the iPad,

00:38:04 ◼   ► it would be a bit weird.

00:38:05 ◼   ► Like, hey, this beautiful display you have on your iPad Pro,

00:38:08 ◼   ► hook it up to a less great, you know what I mean?

00:38:11 ◼   ► We'll hook it up to a worse display, but it's bigger?

00:38:13 ◼   ► Right, so, yeah.

00:38:15 ◼   ► - And there are some rumors about a larger iPad,

00:38:18 ◼   ► and I feel like this fits that too.

00:38:19 ◼   ► - When hasn't there been though?

00:38:21 ◼   ► Are there actually rumors?

00:38:23 ◼   ► Are there rumors, or are there just like people thinking?

00:38:25 ◼   ► - Just wishes?

00:38:26 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:38:27 ◼   ► that there was a report from someone, and I don't know if it was Mark Gurman or Ming-Chi

00:38:31 ◼   ► Kuo who said that Apple is considering, at least considering, a larger iPad.

00:38:36 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean, but that comes in and out. Anyway, it is not a question of can they do it. It

00:38:42 ◼   ► is a question of do they want to do it, and that's the most frustrating kind of thing

00:38:46 ◼   ► for guessing what Apple is going to do, is I can—we can all look at the existing hardware

00:38:53 ◼   ► and even the existing software and interfaces and where they are and gauge like, "Oh, this

00:38:58 ◼   ► isn't going to happen. They're not ready." It's different when all of it is poised, right?

00:39:04 ◼   ► Like it's right on the edge of being possible. And then it just becomes, "Does Apple want to do

00:39:09 ◼   ► this? Do they have the will to do this?" And that part is very hard to tell because it's like,

00:39:17 ◼   ► "Where's their head right now?" And I think if there's anything that you could get from

00:39:21 ◼   ► from listening to Federico talk about the iPad on connected

00:39:24 ◼   ► the last few months.

00:39:25 ◼   ► It's that the iPad is in a bit of a precarious situation

00:39:29 ◼   ► where we're not really sure what Apple thinks of the iPad.

00:39:32 ◼   ► It goes back to that report card

00:39:34 ◼   ► where David Sparks pointed out

00:39:35 ◼   ► that he had to basically give up trying to make the iPad

00:39:38 ◼   ► be a thing that Apple clearly doesn't think it is.

00:39:41 ◼   ► And I think that this is the question is

00:39:45 ◼   ► just because the iPad has been moving in this direction

00:39:47 ◼   ► for a while doesn't mean Apple is gonna take it

00:39:49 ◼   ► the rest of the way.

00:39:50 ◼   ► Apple might say, "We're fine.

00:39:52 ◼   ► We're not gonna do that anymore and change its mind."

00:39:54 ◼   ► And as much as we applaud the fact that five years ago,

00:39:57 ◼   ► Apple got a bunch of people around the table and said,

00:39:59 ◼   ► "We've changed our mind about the Mac,

00:40:01 ◼   ► and we are," you know,

00:40:02 ◼   ► they'll never admit they changed their mind.

00:40:03 ◼   ► I was like, "Oh, no, no, we're always committed,

00:40:06 ◼   ► but we're extra committed now."

00:40:08 ◼   ► They can change their mind the other way too,

00:40:11 ◼   ► and say, "Yeah, we've worked a lot on, you know,

00:40:14 ◼   ► keyboard and mouse support for iPadOS,

00:40:16 ◼   ► and multitasking and all that,

00:40:17 ◼   ► but we're not gonna push it further.

00:40:21 ◼   ► We've chosen not to do that,

00:40:22 ◼   ► and I would be sad about that, but they might do it.

00:40:26 ◼   ► - Now, move on to hardware.

00:40:28 ◼   ► I wanna read what I think is a really weird paragraph.

00:40:33 ◼   ► This came from Mark Gurman's "Power On" newsletter,

00:40:36 ◼   ► which is great, but this is weird to me,

00:40:39 ◼   ► and it goes back to when we talk about

00:40:41 ◼   ► what are the sources, right?

00:40:44 ◼   ► This is a quote from Mark Gurman.

00:40:45 ◼   ► I'm told there are two new Macs coming around the middle of the year or early in the second

00:40:50 ◼   ► half.

00:40:51 ◼   ► One of those is likely to be the new MacBook Air.

00:40:54 ◼   ► Other models in the works include an updated Mac Mini and 24" iMac as well as a low end

00:41:00 ◼   ► MacBook Pro to replace the aging 13" model.

00:41:04 ◼   ► Let's not forget that the new Mac Pro and iMac Pro models are in development.

00:41:09 ◼   ► Now what that tells you is Mark has a source that tells him one thing but cannot tell him

00:41:14 ◼   ► the other one and I find that fascinating. Yeah two two Mac models MacBook Air and something

00:41:21 ◼   ► else MacBook Air and every other possible Mac it could be and then here's a list including

00:41:26 ◼   ► things that I've said will be you know pretty far out but I'm gonna include them here too

00:41:30 ◼   ► I look at that and think one it's fascinating because yes his sources have only been able

00:41:34 ◼   ► to provide him with one product that seems likely although he feels like the two models

00:41:41 ◼   ► are likely, he can't name the second model,

00:41:44 ◼   ► which is fascinating.

00:41:45 ◼   ► And then when he lists all of them,

00:41:47 ◼   ► I think that's partially like pick from this list,

00:41:50 ◼   ► partially to make it seem like less of a rip off

00:41:54 ◼   ► that he doesn't name the second one.

00:41:55 ◼   ► And partially as defensive writing,

00:41:58 ◼   ► because everybody's gonna come back and say,

00:42:00 ◼   ► "Oh, but what about this?

00:42:01 ◼   ► And what about this?

00:42:02 ◼   ► And what about this?"

00:42:02 ◼   ► So he literally listed them all and said,

00:42:04 ◼   ► "Yes, I'm aware about all the Macs that I've said

00:42:07 ◼   ► in my own reporting are coming out.

00:42:09 ◼   ► Don't ask me.

00:42:10 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:42:11 ◼   ► I've listed them all as possibilities.

00:42:13 ◼   ► - Where the conventional wisdom would tell you

00:42:16 ◼   ► the Mac Pro would be the most likely

00:42:18 ◼   ► to be shown off at all, right?

00:42:20 ◼   ► Like that's what we would say.

00:42:21 ◼   ► If we were just gonna guess,

00:42:22 ◼   ► I was gonna make a guess like,

00:42:23 ◼   ► oh, which Mac do you think could be shown at the WWDC?

00:42:27 ◼   ► Well, I'll give you Mac Pro for two reasons.

00:42:29 ◼   ► One, it's literally when they always do it

00:42:32 ◼   ► and it makes the most sense

00:42:33 ◼   ► because it's the audience that cares the most,

00:42:35 ◼   ► even if they're not in the room,

00:42:36 ◼   ► they're just the audience that cares the most.

00:42:39 ◼   ► Two, they've already said it's coming, right?

00:42:42 ◼   ► Which they never do.

00:42:43 ◼   ► They never do that.

00:42:44 ◼   ► And so that seems the most likely to me that it gets,

00:42:48 ◼   ► because as well, I'll give you reason three,

00:42:50 ◼   ► the Mac Pro is maybe the only product

00:42:53 ◼   ► they have in their lineup

00:42:54 ◼   ► where they could tell you about it six months in advance

00:42:56 ◼   ► and it doesn't make an ounce of difference.

00:42:58 ◼   ► - Exactly.

00:42:59 ◼   ► Yeah, I think it's also unclear,

00:43:03 ◼   ► like what is the introduction of two new Mac models be?

00:43:05 ◼   ► Because I think personally they could tease the Mac Pro

00:43:10 ◼   ► and not introduce it, right?

00:43:12 ◼   ► Like they could tease it, but it's like,

00:43:13 ◼   ► and it's coming later, right?

00:43:14 ◼   ► As they've done for Mac Pros in the past,

00:43:16 ◼   ► it's coming later this year.

00:43:18 ◼   ► And here's a little tease about what it's gonna be like

00:43:20 ◼   ► and we'll give you more information later.

00:43:21 ◼   ► And then we spend six months wondering,

00:43:24 ◼   ► parsing all the limited information they've given us,

00:43:27 ◼   ► wondering what it's actually gonna be like

00:43:28 ◼   ► until they are ready to unveil it.

00:43:30 ◼   ► So it's entirely possible they'll do that

00:43:33 ◼   ► and unveil two new Mac models in the moment.

00:43:37 ◼   ► My gut feeling is since the MacBook Air

00:43:39 ◼   ► is rumored to be an M2,

00:43:41 ◼   ► that maybe they will replace that 13-inch MacBook Pro

00:43:46 ◼   ► with whatever the new one of that is,

00:43:48 ◼   ► because it allows them to tell a complete laptop story

00:43:52 ◼   ► by sweeping out those two original M1 laptops

00:43:55 ◼   ► and replacing them, then they'll have the MacBook Pros

00:43:58 ◼   ► and they'll have those two laptops.

00:43:59 ◼   ► And we've speculated here,

00:44:01 ◼   ► maybe they're not MacBook Air and MacBook Pro,

00:44:05 ◼   ► maybe they're MacBook and MacBook Air.

00:44:08 ◼   ► And the MacBook Air is the version

00:44:11 ◼   ► that is emphasizing thinness and lightness.

00:44:14 ◼   ► And then that 13-inch MacBook Pro becomes a MacBook,

00:44:17 ◼   ► it doesn't have the touch bar.

00:44:18 ◼   ► It's something that is more affordable than a MacBook Pro,

00:44:22 ◼   ► but beefier and more capable than a MacBook Air.

00:44:27 ◼   ► And it lives in the middle.

00:44:29 ◼   ► And maybe even has things like,

00:44:31 ◼   ► I don't know, but that would be like an M2 as well.

00:44:34 ◼   ► That's my gut feeling of the most straightforward thing.

00:44:38 ◼   ► However, some of the reports I've seen are wild, right?

00:44:41 ◼   ► Like the idea that they might turn over the iMac

00:44:46 ◼   ► and the Mac mini to the M2 soon,

00:44:49 ◼   ► like, and this is the question is,

00:44:51 ◼   ► if M2 is shipping in volume this summer,

00:44:55 ◼   ► they could turn over all the M1 Macs

00:45:01 ◼   ► especially if they're not redesigning them.

00:45:03 ◼   ► And there's questions about

00:45:04 ◼   ► if they're gonna redesign the Mac mini,

00:45:05 ◼   ► but they're certainly not gonna redesign the 24-inch iMac.

00:45:09 ◼   ► So they could just say, "New colors, M2,"

00:45:12 ◼   ► and make an announcement about that at any point.

00:45:16 ◼   ► So that's, and we haven't seen that second turn of the wheel

00:45:20 ◼   ► of the new M series cycle, so we don't know.

00:45:24 ◼   ► But if I had to guess,

00:45:25 ◼   ► it would be those two laptops, I think.

00:45:28 ◼   ► My guess is it's the Mac Pro.

00:45:30 ◼   ► And they talk about the fact this is the last M1 machine and saying,

00:45:35 ◼   ► we are introducing the first M2 machine today.

00:45:37 ◼   ► And it's the MacBook Air.

00:45:39 ◼   ► And I actually think that the update to the MacBook Pro is a footnote at the end

00:45:44 ◼   ► of the MacBook Air announcement. Like that they say,

00:45:48 ◼   ► we are also today bringing this new M2 chip to the MacBook Pro,

00:45:52 ◼   ► which we are now calling the MacBook. Cause it's not, in my opinion,

00:45:57 ◼   ► whatever they do to it, worthy of that much time?

00:46:01 ◼   ► - I think, I don't know, I think they will

00:46:02 ◼   ► because I think they're gonna remove the touch bar, right?

00:46:04 ◼   ► And they're gonna simplify that computer.

00:46:06 ◼   ► - But like that could be done in a minute.

00:46:09 ◼   ► - No, but imagine, well, yes,

00:46:10 ◼   ► but imagine just spitballing here,

00:46:12 ◼   ► knowing how Apple's rollouts work.

00:46:15 ◼   ► I think what you do is you say,

00:46:16 ◼   ► and we're introducing, you know, John Ternus is there,

00:46:18 ◼   ► what color is his shirt?

00:46:19 ◼   ► He's like, ah, the M2.

00:46:21 ◼   ► And here are the things we changed

00:46:22 ◼   ► to take it even further than those M1 chips

00:46:25 ◼   ► that blew you away two years ago.

00:46:27 ◼   ► and we're putting it, now let me tell you,

00:46:29 ◼   ► or now let Jaws tell you or whoever

00:46:31 ◼   ► about the new computer, right?

00:46:33 ◼   ► And you cut to the person who's gonna tell you

00:46:34 ◼   ► about the new computer.

00:46:35 ◼   ► They say, well, here we are, it's the new MacBook.

00:46:38 ◼   ► And people are like, okay.

00:46:40 ◼   ► And it turns out, oh, well, I see what they're doing.

00:46:42 ◼   ► They're taking the 13 inch MacBook Pro,

00:46:43 ◼   ► they've redefined it, they're calling the new MacBook.

00:46:46 ◼   ► That's not that exciting.

00:46:47 ◼   ► And they're like, aha, but wait,

00:46:49 ◼   ► there's also a new MacBook Air and colors and oh my God,

00:46:52 ◼   ► I can see the universe, it's all in color, it's amazing.

00:46:56 ◼   ► that's how they would do it, right?

00:46:57 ◼   ► They'd start with a boring one and say,

00:46:59 ◼   ► "Oh, look, we made this product that made no sense,

00:47:01 ◼   ► makes sense, isn't that nice?"

00:47:03 ◼   ► But wait, and then they blow your mind

00:47:06 ◼   ► with whatever the new MacBook Air is.

00:47:07 ◼   ► That would be how they would do it.

00:47:09 ◼   ► If I were marketing inside Apple, that's how I would do it.

00:47:11 ◼   ► And so you mentioned that first thing,

00:47:13 ◼   ► but it's really a setup for the second thing.

00:47:15 ◼   ► Lots of ways they could do it.

00:47:17 ◼   ► - Okay, I can see that.

00:47:19 ◼   ► But I just don't even know if there's the time for it,

00:47:24 ◼   ► but I do think- - I don't know.

00:47:26 ◼   ► The MacBook Air at least seems like the most of everything else other than the Mac Pro

00:47:32 ◼   ► seems locked to me personally.

00:47:34 ◼   ► Everything else the MacBook Air seems like the most likely because I mean that was originally

00:47:38 ◼   ► what rumored to be September of last year.

00:47:42 ◼   ► We were going to get that MacBook Air but I remain very excited about that MacBook Air.

00:47:47 ◼   ► Well I think there's a strong argument to be made that it doesn't make sense that any

00:47:51 ◼   ► of this hardware get announced at the developer conference other than the Mac Pro.

00:47:55 ◼   ► the MacBook Pro is already out there, but your point is, I think, the relevant one,

00:47:59 ◼   ► which is, I think they've been trying to introduce the MacBook Air for a while now, if the reports

00:48:04 ◼   ► are true, and they have been frustrated and it's gotten pushed back from their internal

00:48:09 ◼   ► timelines, and it's one of those things that, you know, you say, "Well, why now?" and the

00:48:13 ◼   ► answer is, "Because we have it now." And it's like, is it relevant to WWC? No, but we --

00:48:20 ◼   ► But they don't have enough for a whole other event, right? They don't want to do an event

00:48:23 ◼   ► just for that when they've got WWDC on the horizon.

00:48:26 ◼   ► And the MacBook Air is incredibly popular, right?

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00:50:11 ◼   ► Take me out to the ball game Jason Snow.

00:50:13 ◼   ► Yes, yes. One day I will.

00:50:17 ◼   ► We've done it before. We've been to baseball together.

00:50:18 ◼   ► We've been to a minor league game in Memphis.

00:50:19 ◼   ► I would like to go to a major league game with you.

00:50:22 ◼   ► I have been to a major league game.

00:50:25 ◼   ► I saw the Mets play someone once.

00:50:27 ◼   ► I don't remember who. Okay.

00:50:28 ◼   ► But I did it.

00:50:29 ◼   ► You know, I went out to,

00:50:30 ◼   ► what is the name of their field?

00:50:32 ◼   ► City Field, probably. Yeah, I went out to City Field.

00:50:34 ◼   ► They had great food there.

00:50:36 ◼   ► It was a really good day.

00:50:37 ◼   ► It was very hot, but it was a good day.

00:50:38 ◼   ► I went out in August one year with some friends.

00:50:41 ◼   ► Well, get out here and I'll take you to the Giants game.

00:50:44 ◼   ► - All right. - And have a nice time.

00:50:45 ◼   ► - I would love to go to the Giants game.

00:50:46 ◼   ► - Roll out the baseballs and have some baseball park food

00:50:51 ◼   ► and I can tell you how baseball works.

00:50:54 ◼   ► - Well, why don't you tell me how baseball works

00:50:56 ◼   ► on Apple TV Plus?

00:50:57 ◼   ► - Okay, yes, here we are.

00:51:00 ◼   ► Apple is now a baseball broadcaster.

00:51:02 ◼   ► It happened on Friday.

00:51:03 ◼   ► Two games, 'cause that's the idea here.

00:51:06 ◼   ► They're gonna, Friday Night Baseball, it's two games.

00:51:08 ◼   ► They broadcast not just nationally, but internationally.

00:51:11 ◼   ► There are people tweeting about it in the UK.

00:51:13 ◼   ► And it's Saturday baseball for Australia.

00:51:18 ◼   ► And it's in Japan and Korea as well,

00:51:22 ◼   ► and several other markets.

00:51:23 ◼   ► It's kind of all over the place, which is cool.

00:51:27 ◼   ► It's obviously produced by Major League Baseball and the MLB

00:51:30 ◼   ► Network, which is the baseball-owned cable channel.

00:51:35 ◼   ► And they are producing these shows.

00:51:37 ◼   ► Apple didn't go out and hire announcers and hire camera people and hire producers, right?

00:51:45 ◼   ► This deal included Apple, you know, as either part of what Apple's paying here is paying

00:51:50 ◼   ► for the services for MLB Network to produce the show for them. It's branded as Apple,

00:51:56 ◼   ► but it's produced by MLB Network. And we also got the answer in some of the coverage to

00:52:02 ◼   ► the fact that these announcing teams, and they have three announcers in the booth and

00:52:07 ◼   ► a field announcer, and it sounds like they're going to be the announcing teams that Apple

00:52:12 ◼   ► uses for the whole year. We'll see, but it looks like they're going to try to keep the

00:52:15 ◼   ► teams together, these crews, and have them go to different parks and comment on different

00:52:20 ◼   ► games, but that would be good, I think, because it would allow them to work together and build

00:52:25 ◼   ► up a rapport, because you got the sense from this that it was the first time that they

00:52:30 ◼   ► had worked together. And so, yeah, the truth is, a lot of what we saw on Friday night was

00:52:37 ◼   ► very conventional, things you would see on sports TV.

00:52:41 ◼   ► And I know there were the comments I saw on Twitter

00:52:42 ◼   ► from people who I think maybe don't usually watch

00:52:45 ◼   ► today's sports broadcasts and therefore don't know

00:52:49 ◼   ► what the current, like what it's like.

00:52:52 ◼   ► You know, it had a, they were so conventional

00:52:56 ◼   ► in terms of the broadcast that yeah,

00:52:58 ◼   ► so the pregame show had a sponsor and had commercials.

00:53:03 ◼   ► The actual game also had commercials and yeah,

00:53:06 ◼   ► there were Apple TV+ ads, which I expected, but also a lot of super, just, whatever ads

00:53:13 ◼   ► were sold by MLB Network, essentially. Like, there was a Subway ad at one point, NFT ads.

00:53:20 ◼   ► There was an ad for CDW featuring Microsoft Surface that made me laugh. That was hilarious.

00:53:26 ◼   ► Apple TV+ featuring Microsoft Surface. There was a Hey Siri ad during the broadcast, but

00:53:32 ◼   ► does those ads, sorry, Ahoy telephone.

00:53:35 ◼   ► Apple does Ahoy telephone ads

00:53:37 ◼   ► during regular sports broadcast.

00:53:39 ◼   ► That's not an Apple specific thing.

00:53:41 ◼   ► So what was different, at least in week one,

00:53:46 ◼   ► and keeping in mind, this is week one,

00:53:48 ◼   ► all the type was in San Francisco.

00:53:50 ◼   ► - San Francisco font, right?

00:53:52 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah.

00:53:53 ◼   ► So it was design, Apple's design style.

00:53:56 ◼   ► It was all using variants of San Francisco.

00:54:00 ◼   ► For those who care about little sports graphics stuff,

00:54:02 ◼   ► which I do, the score bug I thought was pretty good.

00:54:05 ◼   ► They have three dots for the outs and then fill them in

00:54:07 ◼   ► as the outs are gotten.

00:54:09 ◼   ► Some people like two dots for the outs.

00:54:11 ◼   ► It's dumb, there are three outs in an inning.

00:54:12 ◼   ► You should show three of the object.

00:54:14 ◼   ► Don't @ me.

00:54:15 ◼   ► And I wish, what I think was missing from it is

00:54:21 ◼   ► I wish it displayed the pitcher

00:54:23 ◼   ► and not just the pitch count

00:54:26 ◼   ► 'cause they show how many pitches

00:54:28 ◼   ► but they didn't say who's pitching

00:54:29 ◼   ► which I think is just a nice thing that some broadcast add

00:54:31 ◼   ► that I think would be nice.

00:54:33 ◼   ► What was interesting is they don't have

00:54:34 ◼   ► hitter information up there

00:54:35 ◼   ► because they put the hitter information

00:54:36 ◼   ► in the lower right corner.

00:54:38 ◼   ► And although that took some getting used to,

00:54:42 ◼   ► I think that there were some advantages to it.

00:54:43 ◼   ► There was always kind of hitter

00:54:45 ◼   ► and situational information in the lower right.

00:54:47 ◼   ► I thought the type was maybe a little too light.

00:54:49 ◼   ► It was a little too hard to notice that it was there.

00:54:51 ◼   ► They used a bunch of advanced statistics, which was fun,

00:54:56 ◼   ► but they were also a little bit silly.

00:54:59 ◼   ► Like they would put up,

00:55:00 ◼   ► this player has a 42.44% chance of driving in a run,

00:55:05 ◼   ► which like guys just say 42%.

00:55:09 ◼   ► Like it's the decimal percentages

00:55:14 ◼   ► don't make it seem more scientific.

00:55:16 ◼   ► They make it seem silly.

00:55:19 ◼   ► So I think they could simplify that a little bit.

00:55:23 ◼   ► And I also think that down in the little hitter area,

00:55:26 ◼   ► another thing that's missing is as the game progresses,

00:55:29 ◼   ► what has that hitter done today?

00:55:31 ◼   ► And I know they sometimes would put up a graphic

00:55:32 ◼   ► and then take it back down,

00:55:33 ◼   ► but it's like, I actually really like the sports broadcast

00:55:36 ◼   ► that when the hitter's batting,

00:55:37 ◼   ► it says this guy was two for four with two runs batted in,

00:55:40 ◼   ► or that he got a hit in the third inning

00:55:42 ◼   ► or hit a home run in the fourth inning.

00:55:43 ◼   ► Like I would really like some kind of constant information

00:55:47 ◼   ► about the batter and not just their kind of advanced stats

00:55:50 ◼   ► and percentages.

00:55:50 ◼   ► So that's a critique that I have.

00:55:53 ◼   ► I think there's some work that they could do there.

00:55:54 ◼   ► I appreciate what they're trying.

00:55:55 ◼   ► It's a different kind of feel,

00:55:57 ◼   ► but I would like a little more situational stuff.

00:56:00 ◼   ► If we're talking about stuff that's on the screen

00:56:02 ◼   ► the whole time, I would like status of the batter

00:56:06 ◼   ► and what the batter had done,

00:56:08 ◼   ► either in the game or what his stats are for the season.

00:56:10 ◼   ► Big thing is though, like I mentioned,

00:56:13 ◼   ► it's a full on national broadcast team.

00:56:15 ◼   ► It feels like Apple is paying to make this feel special,

00:56:20 ◼   ► even though it's just a couple of regular season games plucked off the schedule on a

00:56:23 ◼   ► Friday night, they put the three people in the booth. That is a very kind of playoffs,

00:56:29 ◼   ► Sunday night baseball on ESPN, kind of like we spared no expense. Three people in the

00:56:33 ◼   ► booth and a sideline reporter. So it feels special. And there were way more cameras in

00:56:39 ◼   ► use than a normal game. I think because, as you know, Myke, there's usually a home and

00:56:45 ◼   ► and away broadcast separately for a game.

00:56:48 ◼   ► But of course Apple has the exclusive.

00:56:51 ◼   ► And that means there's more crew and more cameras.

00:56:56 ◼   ► And I think that that's what they're doing.

00:56:57 ◼   ► I think they are actually using the local crew

00:56:59 ◼   ► for the home and away crews,

00:57:01 ◼   ► putting them together and shooting with more cameras.

00:57:05 ◼   ► And it felt more special.

00:57:06 ◼   ► And they also boasted in their press release

00:57:08 ◼   ► that they're gonna try to bring

00:57:09 ◼   ► like their super high resolution camera,

00:57:11 ◼   ► which lets them zoom in really clearly.

00:57:13 ◼   ► and their super speed camera that lets them do super slow-mo, and they're gonna bring

00:57:19 ◼   ► that to select games as well. So they're trying to make it feel special in a lot of ways,

00:57:26 ◼   ► even though it's, you know, an MLB network production, it's an MLB network production

00:57:31 ◼   ► where Apple has put extra money in and said, "No, no, no, make it special. Don't make it

00:57:35 ◼   ► a cut rate broadcast. Make it feel like an event, like it's better than what you're gonna

00:57:41 ◼   ► to see on your local broadcast in terms of the quality. And I will say, speaking of the

00:57:45 ◼   ► quality, the quality of the video is very good. A lot of people commented about how

00:57:48 ◼   ► good it looked, and it really did look good. I don't know how much of that is Apple saying,

00:57:53 ◼   ► "Yes, quality is our watchword," and how much of that is how bad the signal path is from

00:57:59 ◼   ► the local cable channel that's broadcasting it to your cable or satellite provider to

00:58:06 ◼   ► you where it's getting compressed and recompressed and down res and who knows what else is happening

00:58:11 ◼   ► by the time it reaches you. Whereas this is just straight up coming from Apple's CDN,

00:58:18 ◼   ► Apple stream partners wherever they are. And as a result, it felt really good. Like it

00:58:24 ◼   ► was, it looked good. It was high resolution. I don't know if it was 4K, it might've just

00:58:29 ◼   ► been 1080, but like on one level it didn't matter. It looked good because the bit rate

00:58:34 ◼   ► and a lack of recompression, I just thought it looked great. And I think most people did.

00:58:39 ◼   ► So those are the positives about it.

00:58:41 ◼   ► I do want to say on the ads, because you mentioned the ads, my belief is that internationally

00:58:46 ◼   ► there were no ads, right?

00:58:48 ◼   ► No, internationally there was just a card that said "Be right back," basically.

00:58:51 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:58:52 ◼   ► And they didn't see the ads, which I think is because MLB Network only sold those. I

00:58:57 ◼   ► I think that MLB Network just put it in their existing ad deals and rolled it in.

00:59:04 ◼   ► Those deals are for the US or maybe for North America or US and Canada maybe.

00:59:11 ◼   ► They just rolled those in.

00:59:13 ◼   ► That is one of my complaints actually, one of my big complaints is where I thought that

00:59:17 ◼   ► this wasn't very good, it was because it felt like it was something taken from MLB Network

00:59:23 ◼   ► stock and brought over.

00:59:26 ◼   ► It's possible that this deal came together late enough that there was only so much that

00:59:32 ◼   ► Apple could ask them to change up front, to customize for them.

00:59:37 ◼   ► Because this is like a white label version of a baseball game, so they have to customize

00:59:41 ◼   ► it and Apple's like, "Okay, San Francisco."

00:59:45 ◼   ► In fact, I would love to know the story sometime.

00:59:47 ◼   ► My guess is that somebody at Apple designed the graphics and then handed them to MLB.

00:59:52 ◼   ► It's either that or somebody at MOB was told, "Here's the San Francisco font family. Make

00:59:57 ◼   ► this look like an Apple thing." But either way, somebody tried to make like, "What is

01:00:02 ◼   ► the most Apple-like version of baseball graphics that we could do?" And they have rounded rectangles

01:00:08 ◼   ► and it's all in San Francisco.

01:00:09 ◼   ► No, I feel like Apple made those. I feel like that's got to have come from them.

01:00:14 ◼   ► I don't know because I don't know if there's anybody at Apple who is aware of, you know,

01:00:19 ◼   ► who's a designer who is qualified for that.

01:00:21 ◼   ► But yes, I think at the very least,

01:00:23 ◼   ► it was a collaboration, right?

01:00:24 ◼   ► It was a collaboration of some sort

01:00:26 ◼   ► between somebody at MLB Network and Apple

01:00:28 ◼   ► in terms of the graphics.

01:00:29 ◼   ► And they look pretty good.

01:00:30 ◼   ► But yeah, all my disappointments are about stuff

01:00:33 ◼   ► that feels like it was just brought over

01:00:34 ◼   ► without a whole lot of thinking from MLB Network.

01:00:37 ◼   ► The ads are number one.

01:00:38 ◼   ► - Here's my question for you about this ads thing.

01:00:41 ◼   ► 'Cause I'm intrigued and kind of a bit surprised by it.

01:00:44 ◼   ► Currently, Friday night baseball is free.

01:00:48 ◼   ► - Eventually it won't be.

01:00:50 ◼   ► It's gonna be part of Apple TV+.

01:00:52 ◼   ► - That is, yes, eventually.

01:00:53 ◼   ► We don't know when, we don't know if this whole season,

01:00:55 ◼   ► they've only, they released the schedule

01:00:58 ◼   ► for the first half of the season

01:01:00 ◼   ► and said these will all be free.

01:01:02 ◼   ► We don't know whether the rest of the season will be free

01:01:05 ◼   ► or if that's the moment when they'll lower the paywall back.

01:01:08 ◼   ► We just don't know.

01:01:10 ◼   ► 'Cause they could just say,

01:01:12 ◼   ► this is a great loss leader for us

01:01:14 ◼   ► to get people on Apple TV's platforms

01:01:17 ◼   ► And so we're gonna, and it blunts some of the criticism

01:01:22 ◼   ► of like, what do you mean I need another streaming service?

01:01:24 ◼   ► If you can say, no, no, no, it's free, it's free.

01:01:26 ◼   ► You don't have to pay for another streaming service.

01:01:28 ◼   ► So will they go the whole year or will they drop it?

01:01:31 ◼   ► But at some point they will drop it.

01:01:32 ◼   ► They've said at some point they will drop it

01:01:34 ◼   ► and you will need to pay to see Friday Night Baseball.

01:01:39 ◼   ► - And then, are they gonna keep putting ads in the broadcast?

01:01:43 ◼   ► 'Cause that doesn't feel right to me.

01:01:45 ◼   ► - Right, right.

01:01:46 ◼   ► I mean, there's another argument to be made about like

01:01:49 ◼   ► whether ultimately Apple might even offer something

01:01:51 ◼   ► like you can watch them for free with ads,

01:01:53 ◼   ► but subscribers get it without the ads or something like that.

01:01:55 ◼   ► - I feel like if they're gonna do that though,

01:01:57 ◼   ► they wanna be in charge of the advertising, right?

01:01:59 ◼   ► - Yeah, so this is one of those things

01:02:01 ◼   ► that I don't know what Apple's philosophy is,

01:02:03 ◼   ► and it may be that it's written into the contract

01:02:05 ◼   ► that they're like, okay, it'll be, yes,

01:02:07 ◼   ► you're gonna sell the ads

01:02:10 ◼   ► and you're gonna put the ads in and it's fine.

01:02:13 ◼   ► It could also be that it was just expediency,

01:02:14 ◼   ► 'cause don't forget, everything about the rhythm

01:02:17 ◼   ► of a baseball broadcast is tied around

01:02:19 ◼   ► between every half inning there is an ad break.

01:02:21 ◼   ► The announcers have that time to go to the bathroom

01:02:25 ◼   ► and like there's so many things.

01:02:27 ◼   ► And what do you do if you have to fill all that time?

01:02:30 ◼   ► It would be a very different kind of broadcast.

01:02:32 ◼   ► Doesn't mean you can't do it.

01:02:33 ◼   ► I know Facebook definitely tried it

01:02:34 ◼   ► when Facebook had some exclusive games the last few years.

01:02:37 ◼   ► You can do a different kind of thing.

01:02:39 ◼   ► Maybe that's who your sideline reporter does

01:02:41 ◼   ► their human interest story about a player

01:02:44 ◼   ► is in the inning breaks, or they interview somebody

01:02:46 ◼   ► who's on the bench or something like that.

01:02:48 ◼   ► There are ways to do it.

01:02:50 ◼   ► This broadcast, at least week one,

01:02:52 ◼   ► does not attempt any of those.

01:02:53 ◼   ► And those are the things that I really could complain about.

01:02:58 ◼   ► Is it's far, for my money,

01:03:01 ◼   ► far too conventional a baseball broadcast.

01:03:03 ◼   ► Like it's reassuring in one way.

01:03:04 ◼   ► It's just like, oh, I've seen this before.

01:03:06 ◼   ► But honestly, Friday Night Baseball,

01:03:08 ◼   ► I feel like what Apple wants to happen

01:03:10 ◼   ► is for people to feel like it's not what they've seen before

01:03:12 ◼   ► and that it's a cut above.

01:03:13 ◼   ► And in some ways it is, they are stacked announcer groups,

01:03:18 ◼   ► right, four announcers essentially,

01:03:21 ◼   ► three in the booth and a sideline reporter.

01:03:23 ◼   ► All those cameras, it looks great.

01:03:25 ◼   ► They got all the custom graphics

01:03:27 ◼   ► and then they roll an ad for Subway, right?

01:03:29 ◼   ► And it's like, okay, what are you doing here?

01:03:32 ◼   ► The coming on the air for the pregame show

01:03:35 ◼   ► and you know, studio pregame shows are not my thing.

01:03:39 ◼   ► I think they're all kind of bad.

01:03:41 ◼   ► their pregame studio show was bad.

01:03:43 ◼   ► Like I didn't think,

01:03:44 ◼   ► the host interaction seemed kind of forced.

01:03:46 ◼   ► They were yelling.

01:03:47 ◼   ► It's all pretty much stock for a pregame show.

01:03:50 ◼   ► I just hate those.

01:03:51 ◼   ► But it was also sponsored by a betting company.

01:03:55 ◼   ► And I thought, well, that's kind of crappy.

01:03:57 ◼   ► And it was in the content.

01:03:59 ◼   ► So it's like sponsored by the betting company.

01:04:00 ◼   ► Okay, that's great.

01:04:02 ◼   ► And then they rolled the ads and that was kind of crappy.

01:04:04 ◼   ► And then the actual game had a sponsor.

01:04:06 ◼   ► It was presented by some Q, I think,

01:04:10 ◼   ► which is like a health thing.

01:04:11 ◼   ► I don't know, it wasn't EdiQ, but it was something like that.

01:04:16 ◼   ► And I thought, I don't know, I'm not one of these people

01:04:20 ◼   ► who's like, oh, I don't want ads, keep the ads away from me.

01:04:23 ◼   ► Like, I get it.

01:04:24 ◼   ► - My issue isn't the ads.

01:04:26 ◼   ► My issue is just like, you know, my question.

01:04:30 ◼   ► We spend so much time thinking

01:04:31 ◼   ► and talking about this company, right?

01:04:33 ◼   ► They are incredibly particular.

01:04:36 ◼   ► The idea of them giving control to MLB at all

01:04:40 ◼   ► is not surprising, it's surprising in a way,

01:04:43 ◼   ► but I understand it, right?

01:04:44 ◼   ► That like they want to at least have people

01:04:46 ◼   ► that know how to make this content make it.

01:04:48 ◼   ► - Oh yeah.

01:04:49 ◼   ► - But the idea that they would allow for ads for companies

01:04:52 ◼   ► that they're not having any approval over or whatever

01:04:55 ◼   ► to be inserted into something

01:04:56 ◼   ► that's going on their streaming service,

01:04:58 ◼   ► it just goes against what I would have imagined.

01:05:00 ◼   ► - And that's why I say, I think it's expediency,

01:05:02 ◼   ► unless it was like a deal breaker

01:05:04 ◼   ► in their contract with MLB,

01:05:05 ◼   ► but it feels to me like expediency.

01:05:07 ◼   ► It feels to me like Apple probably had a bunch of things

01:05:10 ◼   ► that they wanted to ask for and MLB network was like,

01:05:12 ◼   ► "Guys, we gotta do this in three weeks.

01:05:15 ◼   ► We can't, we can't."

01:05:18 ◼   ► And so what we need to watch over the life of this season

01:05:23 ◼   ► is what did they adjust?

01:05:25 ◼   ► Because like, yeah, to me, if I were the, again, I'm not,

01:05:30 ◼   ► but if I were the Apple executive who is in charge

01:05:32 ◼   ► of the MLB relationship, I would be unhappy

01:05:37 ◼   ► that the first thing that went on my live stream

01:05:40 ◼   ► was Bet MGM presents the pregame show for Apple,

01:05:44 ◼   ► Friday night baseball, like ugh.

01:05:47 ◼   ► And like, I know, I'll say for the people who don't know,

01:05:50 ◼   ► who haven't watched American sports broadcast recently,

01:05:53 ◼   ► betting stuff is everywhere.

01:05:54 ◼   ► The legalization of betting in some parts

01:05:57 ◼   ► of the United States has led to a land grab

01:06:00 ◼   ► for betting stuff.

01:06:02 ◼   ► But the pregame show was sponsored by a casino.

01:06:06 ◼   ► It had a whole segment where there was an expert

01:06:09 ◼   ► telling you the odds of various things happening.

01:06:11 ◼   ► And again, it used to be, they would couch that stuff

01:06:14 ◼   ► and they would just talk about what the possibilities were.

01:06:16 ◼   ► And now they just say, here's the betting line.

01:06:18 ◼   ► So they've just, all the mask has come off

01:06:21 ◼   ► of some of this stuff.

01:06:22 ◼   ► That was always kind of betting related,

01:06:24 ◼   ► but we pretended it was more just,

01:06:26 ◼   ► I wonder what will happen

01:06:27 ◼   ► instead of place your bets everybody.

01:06:29 ◼   ► And again, as an Apple executive,

01:06:32 ◼   ► I would look at that and be like,

01:06:34 ◼   ► you know, that makes me uncomfortable.

01:06:35 ◼   ► I know that that works

01:06:36 ◼   ► because there's so much money in the betting thing,

01:06:38 ◼   ► but this is a brand building thing for us.

01:06:41 ◼   ► I am frankly a little surprised,

01:06:43 ◼   ► not that there are ad breaks in the game,

01:06:47 ◼   ► because I think that it is part of the rhythm of the game.

01:06:50 ◼   ► I was surprised that it wasn't just an Apple TV ad

01:06:53 ◼   ► for Slow Horses or something like that.

01:06:55 ◼   ► Now that ad was in there,

01:06:57 ◼   ► but it was preceded by like three or four other ads

01:07:00 ◼   ► that were just off of whatever MLB network

01:07:03 ◼   ► seems to have sold.

01:07:04 ◼   ► And I don't know, if I could zero in on something

01:07:07 ◼   ► that I think Apple could do a better job with,

01:07:08 ◼   ► it's that stuff.

01:07:09 ◼   ► It's like, use the inner inning breaks

01:07:14 ◼   ► for something other than running commercials

01:07:16 ◼   ► because it differentiates your broadcast.

01:07:19 ◼   ► And if it's pre-rolled videos

01:07:22 ◼   ► or it's Apple TV promos or whatever,

01:07:24 ◼   ► if it's something that's not just a bunch of cable ads,

01:07:28 ◼   ► because the cable ads really did not make it feel special,

01:07:30 ◼   ► it did show off the image quality

01:07:32 ◼   ► because the quality of the cable ads

01:07:33 ◼   ► that they rolled in were terrible.

01:07:35 ◼   ► and the quality of the game was really high.

01:07:37 ◼   ► So it showed us that.

01:07:40 ◼   ► But that would be something I would try to push

01:07:42 ◼   ► and say, we need to be less regular here.

01:07:44 ◼   ► And honestly, Apple, whatever money you're getting

01:07:47 ◼   ► kicked back to you by MLB, rolling you into the BET MGM

01:07:52 ◼   ► sponsorship of your show, just don't do it.

01:07:56 ◼   ► Just don't do it.

01:07:57 ◼   ► It's muddying up your thing.

01:08:00 ◼   ► And in the long run, if this is for your paid service,

01:08:03 ◼   ► I just think it's unfortunate if you would

01:08:05 ◼   ► junk this up when you're trying to stand out.

01:08:07 ◼   ► So I wouldn't do that.

01:08:08 ◼   ► They did, by the way, they did have a crash.

01:08:10 ◼   ► - Okay.

01:08:11 ◼   ► - The stream died for about a minute,

01:08:12 ◼   ► but I think that what we've learned in covering streaming

01:08:14 ◼   ► is everybody who does their first live stream

01:08:17 ◼   ► doesn't properly gauge what the demand will be at the peak

01:08:20 ◼   ► and they have a crash.

01:08:22 ◼   ► It only lasted a minute and then it was fine

01:08:24 ◼   ► as far as I could tell the rest of the time.

01:08:25 ◼   ► So, you know, they'll learn and they'll get better,

01:08:28 ◼   ► but I was not shocked that there was a moment

01:08:31 ◼   ► where everything went down

01:08:32 ◼   ► because that happens literally to everybody who tries it.

01:08:36 ◼   ► Any like soccer or football or whatever has happened,

01:08:39 ◼   ► everybody gets that moment where they're like,

01:08:40 ◼   ► "Oh, we didn't realize that, yeah,

01:08:42 ◼   ► there's a lot of people watching live."

01:08:44 ◼   ► Thought the announcers were good.

01:08:48 ◼   ► Like I said, they haven't worked together before,

01:08:49 ◼   ► so they need time, but I think they're gonna get it.

01:08:51 ◼   ► It sounds like they're going to be the crews for the season.

01:08:54 ◼   ► A lot of people are complaining.

01:08:55 ◼   ► - Are they people?

01:08:56 ◼   ► Like, are they people that you know?

01:08:58 ◼   ► - They're not people.

01:08:59 ◼   ► There are people who are in the game

01:09:01 ◼   ► around the game as broadcasters in some form, but are not like, this is not like Amazon

01:09:07 ◼   ► hiring Al Michaels to do Thursday Night Football. This is sort of up-and-coming people.

01:09:13 ◼   ► They didn't like bring in some legend. They didn't bring in the heroes. The announcers

01:09:19 ◼   ► are not the headliners here, right? Which I think might be a part of this, although

01:09:23 ◼   ► I think part of it too is it's MLB Network doing the hiring, and they're hiring people

01:09:29 ◼   ► to do work for them, including Apple stuff. Like the lead announcer on the first game,

01:09:36 ◼   ► she does TV work for the Orioles, but she also now is going to be the lead announcer

01:09:40 ◼   ► for one of these games, and she's going to do some studio work for MLB Network, so they're

01:09:45 ◼   ► her employer for that, including this stuff. But I thought one of the criticisms that she

01:09:53 ◼   ► she handled really well is about local announcers.

01:09:56 ◼   ► 'Cause Melanie, I forget her last name.

01:10:01 ◼   ► She tweeted on Friday and she said,

01:10:04 ◼   ► "I'm so happy that I'm gonna be doing

01:10:06 ◼   ► these Friday night baseball games

01:10:07 ◼   ► and working for MLB network."

01:10:09 ◼   ► And I told my mom and dad who are Mets fans

01:10:12 ◼   ► that I was doing the game tonight.

01:10:14 ◼   ► And their response was,

01:10:15 ◼   ► "I'm sad that the usual guys aren't going to do it."

01:10:18 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:10:20 ◼   ► - Okay, fair enough.

01:10:21 ◼   ► And this is truth, right?

01:10:24 ◼   ► Like people love their local announcers.

01:10:27 ◼   ► I'm a Giants fan, over the weekend,

01:10:29 ◼   ► you know, the season started, turn on the TV,

01:10:32 ◼   ► Myke Krukow, Dwayne Kiper, their voices, so reassuring.

01:10:36 ◼   ► Like it's, oh, now it's not just the team,

01:10:39 ◼   ► it's not just the logos, it's the announcers.

01:10:42 ◼   ► People have a bond with their local announcers.

01:10:43 ◼   ► And by doing an exclusive national

01:10:46 ◼   ► and international broadcast,

01:10:48 ◼   ► that there are no local TV broadcasters for that game,

01:10:53 ◼   ► you are boxing out the fans

01:10:55 ◼   ► who like to hear their local people.

01:10:58 ◼   ► And so her tweet, Melanie's tweet, was really good

01:11:00 ◼   ► 'cause she was like, yeah, even my parents are gonna miss

01:11:04 ◼   ► Ron and, oh, I forget who the other announcers, anyway,

01:11:07 ◼   ► they're gonna miss them.

01:11:09 ◼   ► It's like, because of course they are.

01:11:10 ◼   ► So I think that's a good criticism.

01:11:13 ◼   ► I know they're not gonna do this,

01:11:16 ◼   ► but part of me wants to say,

01:11:17 ◼   ► You know, another way you could silence the criticism,

01:11:20 ◼   ► MLB's app lets you overlay the local radio call

01:11:24 ◼   ► on the video.

01:11:25 ◼   ► If you wanna do that, it's kind of amazing, right?

01:11:28 ◼   ► You can be like watching the local TV,

01:11:31 ◼   ► but if you prefer the radio announcers,

01:11:32 ◼   ► you can flip it over to the radio announcers

01:11:34 ◼   ► and listen to them instead.

01:11:35 ◼   ► And I thought, you know,

01:11:36 ◼   ► I know you want your announcers to be at the four,

01:11:39 ◼   ► but one way you could blunt some of the criticism

01:11:43 ◼   ► and say, look, if you're a fanatical Mets fan,

01:11:45 ◼   ► you can turn on the Mets radio at least.

01:11:48 ◼   ► And here's somebody who's rooting for the Mets

01:11:50 ◼   ► instead of trying to provide this national perspective,

01:11:53 ◼   ► which is just sort of how these games,

01:11:54 ◼   ► national and international, right?

01:11:56 ◼   ► These games are meant to broaden the appeal of baseball

01:11:59 ◼   ► and reach people who are not just the fans

01:12:01 ◼   ► of the two teams playing.

01:12:02 ◼   ► And that means they need to tell stories

01:12:03 ◼   ► you've already heard before

01:12:05 ◼   ► and have more banter among the people in the booth.

01:12:08 ◼   ► And people are complaining about it.

01:12:09 ◼   ► Like, I agree that modern baseball broadcasts

01:12:14 ◼   ► on things like ESPN have tended to become a podcast

01:12:18 ◼   ► that is happening with a baseball game going on

01:12:21 ◼   ► in the background.

01:12:23 ◼   ► And there's definitely a level of that that's too much

01:12:25 ◼   ► where like they don't even care what's happening.

01:12:28 ◼   ► They're just having a conversation.

01:12:29 ◼   ► They're bringing in guests to interview and stuff like that.

01:12:32 ◼   ► At least they didn't do that on the Apple broadcast.

01:12:36 ◼   ► You can go too far down that path,

01:12:37 ◼   ► but they're not, if you're a Mets fan

01:12:39 ◼   ► and you're watching that Mets nationals game,

01:12:41 ◼   ► they're not making it for you, right?

01:12:42 ◼   ► They're not making it for you.

01:12:43 ◼   ► They're making it for a broader audience.

01:12:44 ◼   ► And you just, it's just like, if you watched,

01:12:46 ◼   ► if your team was on a Sunday night baseball

01:12:49 ◼   ► or a Fox game of the week,

01:12:51 ◼   ► or back in the day, the NBC game of the week,

01:12:54 ◼   ► like it wasn't your announcers

01:12:55 ◼   ► and they weren't talking to you.

01:12:57 ◼   ► They're talking to the broader audience.

01:12:59 ◼   ► And that's just one of the truths of something like this

01:13:02 ◼   ► is it's gonna be like that.

01:13:04 ◼   ► But I do, to take it back,

01:13:06 ◼   ► whether they do the audio overlay or not,

01:13:08 ◼   ► which I think would be fun and like kind of easy

01:13:11 ◼   ► and just you're saying, look, if you really hate it,

01:13:14 ◼   ► you can flip to your local audio.

01:13:16 ◼   ► It would be a fun technological solution.

01:13:19 ◼   ► And that's my other complaint,

01:13:21 ◼   ► other than it all seems very generic.

01:13:22 ◼   ► And I know that this happened quickly,

01:13:24 ◼   ► but that I think Apple needs to prod their producers

01:13:27 ◼   ► to do better and make it more unique.

01:13:29 ◼   ► And I think that the ad clutter is part of that.

01:13:32 ◼   ► The other part of it is the technical side,

01:13:35 ◼   ► which is, well, first off,

01:13:36 ◼   ► you couldn't pause it on Apple TV,

01:13:39 ◼   ► which is also true of Apple's live stream events,

01:13:41 ◼   ► by the way, which is a little bit strange.

01:13:43 ◼   ► But for a baseball game, say you get home

01:13:45 ◼   ► and the game's been on for an hour,

01:13:47 ◼   ► you wanna start at the beginning of the game

01:13:49 ◼   ► if you're a fan, and then go through the commercials

01:13:52 ◼   ► and catch up eventually.

01:13:54 ◼   ► You can't do that now.

01:13:56 ◼   ► That seems like a mistake.

01:13:57 ◼   ► They need to work on that technology.

01:13:59 ◼   ► And then there's also nothing interactive going on.

01:14:02 ◼   ► I talked about the graphics that are burned into the screen,

01:14:04 ◼   ► but this is a digital broadcast.

01:14:07 ◼   ► everybody watching it is watching it on a computer device

01:14:11 ◼   ► of some kind, right?

01:14:12 ◼   ► I think they really need to look into ways to push that too.

01:14:17 ◼   ► Like if I wanna see different overlays,

01:14:19 ◼   ► maybe I should be able to do that.

01:14:21 ◼   ► If I wanna like the live stats overlay at the bottom,

01:14:24 ◼   ► or if I want the crazy betting stuff, whatever,

01:14:27 ◼   ► it would be fun if I had some options to do stuff like that.

01:14:30 ◼   ► And currently it's a really vanilla live stream.

01:14:36 ◼   ► So I hope that Apple pushes on the tech side.

01:14:39 ◼   ► I accept the fact that this deal has probably

01:14:41 ◼   ► only been finalized for a few weeks

01:14:43 ◼   ► and that they had to take a bunch of stuff off the shelf

01:14:46 ◼   ► and make their choices about what they were going to do.

01:14:49 ◼   ► But in the long run, I think whoever at Apple

01:14:53 ◼   ► is in charge of this and whoever at MLB network

01:14:56 ◼   ► is in charge of producing it need to work together.

01:14:59 ◼   ► And it depends on how much Apple as the client

01:15:03 ◼   ► can demand changes and what's in the contract.

01:15:06 ◼   ► But I think it was a good broadcast

01:15:11 ◼   ► and I think it will improve.

01:15:13 ◼   ► And it looks like they spent a lot of money on it,

01:15:15 ◼   ► look great, lots of cameras,

01:15:16 ◼   ► good announcers who are gonna get better,

01:15:19 ◼   ► even though they're not your favorite local announcers.

01:15:22 ◼   ► But that's the one that I would put up there is,

01:15:24 ◼   ► it doesn't feel different enough.

01:15:26 ◼   ► It feels disconcertingly like a generic

01:15:29 ◼   ► MLB network broadcast at points.

01:15:32 ◼   ► And I think that that's where Apple needs to push and say,

01:15:36 ◼   ► okay, now that we've gotten to this point,

01:15:38 ◼   ► next week we're gonna do this to make it better.

01:15:40 ◼   ► And some of that's on Apple, right?

01:15:42 ◼   ► Apple's gonna have to do some work on the live stream

01:15:45 ◼   ► to see if you can start from the beginning in the TV app.

01:15:50 ◼   ► And if they wanna do overlays,

01:15:51 ◼   ► they've gotta build that stuff in too.

01:15:53 ◼   ► They've gotta have a data stream for that.

01:15:54 ◼   ► The MLB app has it, but Apple's TV app doesn't have it.

01:15:58 ◼   ► So it's all, there's a lot for it to get better,

01:16:02 ◼   ► but in the end, it wasn't a disaster.

01:16:04 ◼   ► It was a professionally produced broadcast that looked good,

01:16:06 ◼   ► had lots of cameras, lots of announcers.

01:16:08 ◼   ► There was a lot positive to be said,

01:16:10 ◼   ► but I think it also,

01:16:12 ◼   ► I hope very much that it is a starting point for them

01:16:14 ◼   ► and not the end point for the whole season,

01:16:17 ◼   ► 'cause that would be unfortunate.

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01:17:41 ◼   ► I have some #AskUpgrade questions to finish out today's episode.

01:17:45 ◼   ► The first comes from Ryan.

01:17:48 ◼   ► In the next five years, which do you think Apple is more likely to do to the Magic Mouse?

01:17:54 ◼   ► A. A new industrial design, a la the new Apple remote.

01:17:59 ◼   ► B. Leave it exactly as it is right now.

01:18:02 ◼   ► Or C. Discontinue it altogether.

01:18:05 ◼   ► More likely to do.

01:18:08 ◼   ► I'm gonna go with B, leave it as it is.

01:18:13 ◼   ► Only because I think that,

01:18:16 ◼   ► how long has it already been out?

01:18:20 ◼   ► It's been out forever.

01:18:21 ◼   ► I think it's an inertia thing.

01:18:22 ◼   ► It's like, is there a new problem that they can solve?

01:18:25 ◼   ► I mean, yeah, undoing the charger on the bottom

01:18:28 ◼   ► would be a great thing.

01:18:29 ◼   ► But like, is there anybody inside Apple?

01:18:31 ◼   ► I don't know.

01:18:32 ◼   ► I've met people who work on the input devices team.

01:18:35 ◼   ► They care about this stuff.

01:18:36 ◼   ► but I wonder if there is really a really will at Apple

01:18:40 ◼   ► to do a new hardware design for a mouse.

01:18:43 ◼   ► Like I think the trackpad is favored by people at Apple.

01:18:47 ◼   ► I think that they feel they need to offer a mouse,

01:18:50 ◼   ► but are they really gonna do it?

01:18:51 ◼   ► Like if I had to pick most likely,

01:18:54 ◼   ► I think status quo is most likely.

01:18:56 ◼   ► I would love to see them redo it, I guess.

01:18:59 ◼   ► I don't care, I don't use a mouse.

01:19:01 ◼   ► I literally don't care about this product,

01:19:03 ◼   ► but I know that it is the butt of many jokes

01:19:07 ◼   ► because of where you have to charge it.

01:19:09 ◼   ► And it's a lightning port

01:19:10 ◼   ► and are they eventually gonna move off the lightning port?

01:19:13 ◼   ► But I don't know if I had to choose

01:19:16 ◼   ► and especially if I had to put money on it,

01:19:17 ◼   ► I would go with inertia.

01:19:19 ◼   ► I would go with B, just nothing will change

01:19:22 ◼   ► and it will be sold forever.

01:19:25 ◼   ► What about you?

01:19:26 ◼   ► - So I think a new industrial redesign is the least likely.

01:19:30 ◼   ► And then I'm trying to work out,

01:19:32 ◼   ► Do I think leave it as is or just discontinue it?

01:19:35 ◼   ► Now at some point- - I think they gotta offer

01:19:36 ◼   ► a mouse though.

01:19:37 ◼   ► I think they gotta offer people a mouse who want a mouse

01:19:39 ◼   ► 'cause people use mice.

01:19:40 ◼   ► I think they do- - But you could just buy a mouse.

01:19:42 ◼   ► - But they bundle it with their computers.

01:19:45 ◼   ► See, that's the trick.

01:19:46 ◼   ► If they didn't include a mouse or a trackpad or keyboard

01:19:49 ◼   ► with their computers, I think they could just kill it.

01:19:52 ◼   ► But they do.

01:19:53 ◼   ► They do include it.

01:19:54 ◼   ► - Yeah, but they could just say, we give you a trackpad.

01:19:57 ◼   ► - They could. - That's what we give you.

01:20:00 ◼   ► - I mean, they could.

01:20:00 ◼   ► I think that they feel like they have to offer the mouse

01:20:04 ◼   ► as an option, but you know, yeah, they could.

01:20:06 ◼   ► They could be like, no, mice are old school.

01:20:09 ◼   ► We are all about the trackpad now.

01:20:11 ◼   ► - Because they really are all about the trackpad, right?

01:20:13 ◼   ► Like they really are.

01:20:14 ◼   ► And I will just say, if you have a Mac

01:20:17 ◼   ► and have never used a trackpad, do yourself a favor.

01:20:21 ◼   ► Especially if you're using the Magic Mouse.

01:20:24 ◼   ► Now, look, I'm not gonna,

01:20:26 ◼   ► I don't care about the charging, right?

01:20:27 ◼   ► Whatever.

01:20:28 ◼   ► And I'm sure that the Magic Mouse is good because it has some of the gesture support

01:20:33 ◼   ► built in.

01:20:34 ◼   ► But that Magic Mouse is an absolute travesty of ergonomics.

01:20:38 ◼   ► It is terrible.

01:20:41 ◼   ► I don't understand how people use it in the long term because it is just not a comfortable

01:20:47 ◼   ► thing to hold in your hand.

01:20:48 ◼   ► You want something that can be more molded.

01:20:52 ◼   ► My pick of it is the previously mentioned Logitech MX Master 3.

01:20:55 ◼   ► That's my favorite mouse.

01:20:56 ◼   ► I have a bunch of them.

01:20:57 ◼   ► I use them.

01:20:58 ◼   ► using it for years. But yeah, I think maybe if I had to put money on it like you, I would

01:21:05 ◼   ► say they're just going to leave it. But I would also say it's very close to me. My gut

01:21:10 ◼   ► says that they would just get rid of it, but I do think you can't bet against inertia sometimes.

01:21:16 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:21:17 ◼   ► We're a bit, we're up in the sky today. We're in the conceptual lands. We have another question

01:21:22 ◼   ► is from Tony. Tony wants, "What is the next mistake on the level of killing the Mac Pro

01:21:29 ◼   ► that you could see Apple making with the Apple Silicon processor transition?" Now I'll give

01:21:33 ◼   ► a bit more context in case this didn't make complete sense. So if you remember, towards

01:21:37 ◼   ► the end of the Intel era, they just, I think, it was like the five year anniversary of this,

01:21:43 ◼   ► we'll just talk about it and connect it, this is when Apple had kind of made their decision

01:21:50 ◼   ► they were going to be getting rid of the Mac Pro, replacing it with the iMac Pro, right?

01:21:54 ◼   ► Then realized people were very unhappy in general at the moment.

01:21:59 ◼   ► And then so at the same time said, "Hey, we're making this iMac Pro," which was very clearly

01:22:02 ◼   ► the replacement, "but also we're going to make a new Mac Pro."

01:22:06 ◼   ► And this was clearly a decision that they had made that set a course of action that

01:22:12 ◼   ► when they reverted that transition, so that course of action, we got to where we are now.

01:22:18 ◼   ► So it's like a pretty pivotal point.

01:22:20 ◼   ► So can you imagine, do you have any kind of thought

01:22:24 ◼   ► on what a huge mistake or a mistake that they could make

01:22:29 ◼   ► during the Apple Silicon era that could cause

01:22:32 ◼   ► this kind of going off the rails?

01:22:34 ◼   ► - Yeah, I mean, it's hard to imagine something

01:22:39 ◼   ► as far off the rails as what they were, right?

01:22:42 ◼   ► - Especially considering they'd already done it, right?

01:22:44 ◼   ► Like it's gonna be in recent memory.

01:22:47 ◼   ► 'cause I could make a ridiculous thing that they won't do,

01:22:50 ◼   ► but if they did it, it would be on this level, right?

01:22:52 ◼   ► And so that would be something like,

01:22:54 ◼   ► they decide that their new laptops are going to have

01:22:57 ◼   ► a second screen where the keyboard was,

01:23:01 ◼   ► and it's gonna be a touchscreen,

01:23:03 ◼   ► and it will be a keyboard, but it can be other stuff too,

01:23:06 ◼   ► and it's gonna be like this great foldable design,

01:23:09 ◼   ► and there are no physical keys on it.

01:23:11 ◼   ► And that would be on the level of what they did,

01:23:15 ◼   ► not with the killing of the Mac Pro,

01:23:16 ◼   ► but with the butterfly keyboard, right?

01:23:18 ◼   ► But I don't think you're gonna do that.

01:23:19 ◼   ► - I could actually argue as well

01:23:21 ◼   ► that the MacBook was as bad

01:23:23 ◼   ► because it set this chain of events for the laptop line,

01:23:27 ◼   ► which people rallied against.

01:23:28 ◼   ► - Yeah, although I like the MacBook

01:23:30 ◼   ► and the keyboard was understandable on the MacBook.

01:23:34 ◼   ► But the problem was that then Apple was like,

01:23:36 ◼   ► "Great, we'll put it everywhere."

01:23:37 ◼   ► Which by the way, that's a little bit of an echo

01:23:39 ◼   ► of the center stage camera on the studio display, right?

01:23:42 ◼   ► Where Apple takes a part designed

01:23:45 ◼   ► for a particular purpose and fall so in love

01:23:48 ◼   ► with their clever engineering that they put it everywhere,

01:23:50 ◼   ► including maybe places it shouldn't have gone,

01:23:52 ◼   ► very similar, little harmony there.

01:23:54 ◼   ► But I'm not gonna say that the camera on the studio display

01:23:57 ◼   ► is the answer to this question either,

01:23:58 ◼   ► 'cause it has nothing to do with the processor transition.

01:24:00 ◼   ► Here's my answer.

01:24:01 ◼   ► Never, ever, ever making an iMac bigger

01:24:04 ◼   ► than this 24-inch iMac.

01:24:06 ◼   ► Missing that market, I think would be a huge mistake.

01:24:10 ◼   ► I think it would be a mistake on the same level

01:24:11 ◼   ► as the Mac Pro, which is here is a user base

01:24:14 ◼   ► that wants this product,

01:24:15 ◼   ► that has spent a decade liking this product.

01:24:17 ◼   ► And no, we will not make an iMac at 27 inches or greater.

01:24:22 ◼   ► We just won't.

01:24:24 ◼   ► Get the 24 or too bad,

01:24:27 ◼   ► buy an external display and another computer

01:24:30 ◼   ► and do that instead.

01:24:31 ◼   ► And I think that would be a mistake.

01:24:33 ◼   ► I think they would be turning their back

01:24:34 ◼   ► on a big part of their last decade of Mac sales.

01:24:39 ◼   ► I believe they're not gonna do that

01:24:43 ◼   ► and they're just biding their time.

01:24:45 ◼   ► But I would say that that would be

01:24:47 ◼   ► something happening to one of their products

01:24:51 ◼   ► in defiance of user desires

01:24:54 ◼   ► that would be a big mistake for them.

01:24:57 ◼   ► - And I don't, I agree, that's a really great one.

01:25:01 ◼   ► It's better than anything I was gonna come up with.

01:25:03 ◼   ► The thing that I was wondering with this question is like,

01:25:08 ◼   ► what if a mistake that they make is what is the new Mac Pro?

01:25:11 ◼   ► Like what if they just completely whiff on it again?

01:25:14 ◼   ► I don't know.

01:25:15 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah, I mean, no, that's a good one,

01:25:17 ◼   ► is what if they make a new Mac Pro,

01:25:20 ◼   ► again, they say that now they're listening,

01:25:22 ◼   ► they've got their people in-house,

01:25:24 ◼   ► they're listening to pro customers.

01:25:25 ◼   ► It's hard to look at the Mac Studio and not think,

01:25:27 ◼   ► well, they must have an exact idea of who the Mac Pro is for

01:25:30 ◼   ► because the Mac Studio fulfills so many of the needs.

01:25:33 ◼   ► So it's like, what is that and how do they execute on it?

01:25:35 ◼   ► And you're right in terms of the processor transition,

01:25:39 ◼   ► like what is their vision for like what,

01:25:41 ◼   ► not only what a Mac Pro is,

01:25:43 ◼   ► but like what they can do with a Mac Pro

01:25:45 ◼   ► given their processor architecture.

01:25:48 ◼   ► And it's possible that the compromises

01:25:51 ◼   ► that they may have to make

01:25:52 ◼   ► because of their processor architecture

01:25:54 ◼   ► will be looked at by the potential buyers of the Mac Pro.

01:25:56 ◼   ► And they'll be like, "Yeah, no, like, no,

01:26:01 ◼   ► I get why you did it this way.

01:26:03 ◼   ► This is not giving us what they want, what we want.

01:26:06 ◼   ► Sorry, I'm being them in this scenario.

01:26:08 ◼   ► This is not giving us what we want.

01:26:09 ◼   ► We need this.

01:26:10 ◼   ► I know that why you can't do it because of Apple Silicon,

01:26:12 ◼   ► but we need it and you didn't give it to us.

01:26:15 ◼   ► And they end up sort of saying,

01:26:16 ◼   ► we got to stick with Intel for the time being,

01:26:18 ◼   ► 'cause you didn't do it.

01:26:20 ◼   ► Like I would like to think that they won't do that,

01:26:23 ◼   ► but the truth is there are gonna be some compromises

01:26:26 ◼   ► in the Mac Pro where I think people are gonna say,

01:26:28 ◼   ► oh, why did they do it this way?

01:26:30 ◼   ► And the answer is gonna be, well, Apple Silicon,

01:26:32 ◼   ► this is how they built their whole architecture.

01:26:35 ◼   ► And they might try to get there eventually,

01:26:37 ◼   ► but like, are they gonna undercut the whole direction

01:26:42 ◼   ► of Apple Silicon for one computer

01:26:45 ◼   ► that's used by a tiny fraction of their audience?

01:26:48 ◼   ► And so that is, you know,

01:26:50 ◼   ► and that's actually why I mentioned the iMac

01:26:52 ◼   ► is 'cause I think that there's just a much larger iMac,

01:26:54 ◼   ► a larger audience for a larger iMac

01:26:56 ◼   ► and it will offend more users,

01:26:59 ◼   ► more Mac customers than the Mac Pro.

01:27:04 ◼   ► But, you know, they could botch the Mac Pro.

01:27:07 ◼   ► I wouldn't even say botch.

01:27:08 ◼   ► I think the Mac Pro being unpleasantly received

01:27:13 ◼   ► by that audience, if it happens,

01:27:16 ◼   ► it will be a function of the limitations

01:27:20 ◼   ► and the philosophy of the Apple Silicon processors

01:27:24 ◼   ► themselves, right?

01:27:26 ◼   ► That it will emerge from the choices Apple has made

01:27:28 ◼   ► on the iPhone and the iPad, and now on the Mac,

01:27:31 ◼   ► building this processor system

01:27:33 ◼   ► with all this stuff that's integrated.

01:27:35 ◼   ► And you look at the Mac Pro and you're like,

01:27:36 ◼   ► well, you gotta unravel a bunch of that, right?

01:27:39 ◼   ► Like you gotta, your advantages elsewhere

01:27:42 ◼   ► like are disadvantages now because you've got,

01:27:44 ◼   ► we've got to use your GPUs and you know,

01:27:46 ◼   ► what is the memory story and all of that.

01:27:49 ◼   ► I think that's where they risk angering

01:27:52 ◼   ► the Mac Pro audience, but my money's on the 27 inch.

01:27:55 ◼   ► - Darren wants to know, Jason,

01:27:57 ◼   ► if you were making the 20 max list today,

01:28:02 ◼   ► I don't know, let's say you're doing 22 max for 2022, right?

01:28:05 ◼   ► - You've never done 20 Macs, right?

01:28:08 ◼   ► Let's just imagine you'd never done that list

01:28:10 ◼   ► you're doing it today.

01:28:12 ◼   ► Would any of the Apple Silicon Macs make the list?

01:28:15 ◼   ► - I would have to, so, you know,

01:28:18 ◼   ► the whole purpose of 20 Macs for 2020

01:28:19 ◼   ► was sort of tell stories about different eras in the Mac.

01:28:22 ◼   ► So I would have to pick an Apple Silicon Mac

01:28:24 ◼   ► so I could tell the story of Apple Silicon,

01:28:26 ◼   ► which we've all just lived through.

01:28:27 ◼   ► But, you know, keeping an eye toward history,

01:28:30 ◼   ► that would be the thing that I would do.

01:28:31 ◼   ► Which one I would pick?

01:28:33 ◼   ► I don't know.

01:28:35 ◼   ► I don't know.

01:28:36 ◼   ► I would probably pick the MacBook Pro

01:28:42 ◼   ► because it would allow me to tell the whole story

01:28:47 ◼   ► about like the butterfly keyboard and the ports complaints.

01:28:52 ◼   ► It would let me talk about Apple Silicon,

01:28:55 ◼   ► but also talk about it in the sense of not just the M1,

01:28:59 ◼   ► but the M1 Pro and the M1 Max.

01:29:02 ◼   ► And the questions about whether Apple

01:29:03 ◼   ► was gonna be able to execute with its processors

01:29:06 ◼   ► at a high enough level

01:29:07 ◼   ► that it would please professional customers.

01:29:10 ◼   ► So that's probably what I would choose

01:29:12 ◼   ► is one of those MacBook Pros,

01:29:15 ◼   ► because there's a lot of stories to tell

01:29:17 ◼   ► about what happened with laptops in the late 2010s,

01:29:21 ◼   ► as well as the Apple Silicon transition.

01:29:23 ◼   ► That would be a pretty meaty topic.

01:29:25 ◼   ► So I think that would be the one

01:29:26 ◼   ► that would maybe best encompass it.

01:29:28 ◼   ► And it's got the notch,

01:29:31 ◼   ► It's got the mini LED backlight.

01:29:34 ◼   ► Like there's some interesting things

01:29:35 ◼   ► that are new technologically.

01:29:36 ◼   ► It doesn't have the touch bar,

01:29:38 ◼   ► so it lets me tell the touch bar story.

01:29:40 ◼   ► That would be like a three-parter about that.

01:29:42 ◼   ► There's so much embedded in that one computer

01:29:45 ◼   ► that would be worth telling.

01:29:49 ◼   ► So yeah, I would probably choose that one.

01:29:52 ◼   ► - Not my list, but that's what I would have gone with too.

01:29:55 ◼   ► Like if I was choosing, it would be out of the iMac

01:29:58 ◼   ► because of the way it looks.

01:30:00 ◼   ► and the MacBook Pro, because I feel like the first ones,

01:30:04 ◼   ► they're not as interesting,

01:30:06 ◼   ► except for the fact that they are historic,

01:30:08 ◼   ► but they're not as interesting.

01:30:10 ◼   ► But I think if it was my list,

01:30:12 ◼   ► I would settle where you had to.

01:30:14 ◼   ► The MacBook Pro is the most advanced, right?

01:30:18 ◼   ► And even going back to your review, right?

01:30:22 ◼   ► A Mac Pro in my backpack,

01:30:24 ◼   ► like that alone makes it exciting enough to talk about,

01:30:28 ◼   ► right?

01:30:29 ◼   ► I think that there's a lot to say there and I wouldn't be surprised if you were doing

01:30:36 ◼   ► Atlas today you would pick that.

01:30:38 ◼   ► It just feels like a good one to pick.

01:30:40 ◼   ► I think that would be it.

01:30:42 ◼   ► And Jonah asks, "Why aren't you talking about Severance?"

01:30:45 ◼   ► Well, Severance on Apple TV+ is a TV show that I started watching late and didn't finish

01:30:51 ◼   ► until last night.

01:30:53 ◼   ► So that's why we haven't been talking about Severance.

01:30:56 ◼   ► and I have watched it in the last week.

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