00:00:20 ◼ ► And yes, you guessed it, we're back and we're drafting for the 2021 October Apple Event.
00:00:30 ◼ ► My name is Myke Hurley and I'm joined by my co-host and my combatant, Jason Snow. Hi, Jason.
00:00:35 ◼ ► Hi, Myke. I got a text from you the other morning where you said, "I guess we're drafting."
00:00:55 ◼ ► There's going to be an Apple Event. So I have a #SnailTalk question for you about this.
00:00:59 ◼ ► So the press invitation and that kind of stuff, the artwork is all around this theme of "Unleashed"
00:01:06 ◼ ► is what Apple's saying. What do you think about that? I think that this one's maybe got a little
00:01:10 ◼ ► bit more to it than usual. Right, first, I'd say it sounds a little too much like a Samsung
00:01:16 ◼ ► Event for my taste. Because of the "un"? Yeah, because they do "un," right? Unpacked. Unpacked.
00:01:21 ◼ ► Like, there's the hyperspace kind of thing. I think it's going to be that the it's pro-speed.
00:01:33 ◼ ► It could be the fastest Mac ever. My calculations suggest that there are going to be some high,
00:01:39 ◼ ► this is how we have to skew this, some high-end Mac Pro configurations might be faster than it.
00:01:44 ◼ ► But that's about it. And the other obvious one is the rumors of doing magnetic charging
00:01:51 ◼ ► that unleashed where you've got the, you know, you don't have the USB-C leash anymore because
00:01:56 ◼ ► you've got a magnet thing that pops off if it gets dressed and stuff. That's, I think, maybe
00:02:01 ◼ ► the other meaning there. Maybe. Interesting. I was kind of just thinking along the lines of
00:02:08 ◼ ► "Let's show you what we can really do." Right, is Intel the leash in this scenario? Yes.
00:02:16 ◼ ► Or just like in general, right, that they've kind of, for whatever reason, they've been holding back
00:02:23 ◼ ► on the Mac for a while and now they're not anymore. Which I think is clear. I think that's
00:02:28 ◼ ► been clear over the last year or so, you know. The iMac, I think, is an example of this and so
00:02:35 ◼ ► they are unleashed again. So that Snow Talk was from me, by the way. Oh good. Thank you,
00:02:40 ◼ ► listener Myke. No problem. If you would like to send in a Snow Talk question to help us
00:02:52 ◼ ► our show document like I do, which is why I can type whatever I want in here. It works.
00:03:01 ◼ ► We said we'd be reviewing Apple Watches on Monday. Well. That's not going to happen now.
00:03:06 ◼ ► Probably not. Because obviously where we usually move the show, we will be recording and releasing
00:03:12 ◼ ► on Monday after the Apple event. We don't need to move our episode for once, which I'm very thankful
00:03:17 ◼ ► for. Thanks Apple for doing that for us. So we'll probably, I'm expecting, talk about Apple Watches
00:03:25 ◼ ► the week after because I doubt that they'll, like, you know, because obviously there's going to be
00:03:30 ◼ ► hardware, there's going to be something, right? It's unlikely that that will come out or be
00:03:35 ◼ ► available for us to talk about directly the week after. So at least now we'll have a little bit
00:03:40 ◼ ► more time with our Apple Watches, which would be nice. Yeah. So let's do the rules of the draft so
00:03:46 ◼ ► that we have nine-ish rounds with 18 kind of overall picks. They're splitting because it's
00:03:53 ◼ ► this year or this time. Sort of ten this time? Yes. So we're splitting the draft into two main
00:04:01 ◼ ► categories and we're doing this one a little bit differently in a few ways. One is one of the
00:04:07 ◼ ► categories is just MacBook Pro picks. And usually we would do like Mac picks or something like that,
00:04:14 ◼ ► but we're kind of putting all our chips on the table here and making a bold prediction that the
00:04:19 ◼ ► majority of this event will be focused around the MacBook Pro. And because there's so many rumors
00:04:24 ◼ ► and so much that could be added to this MacBook Pro, that we had so many potential picks that we
00:04:30 ◼ ► would choose from that were just focused on that. It's its own category. Yeah. And there will be
00:04:36 ◼ ► five rounds of picks for the MacBook Pro. We then have a bunch of other stuff, you know,
00:04:42 ◼ ► like other Macs, other products, all kinds. And we just lumped all those together into other.
00:04:46 ◼ ► We're going to do four rounds there. And because we've been so focused on color in the show
00:04:54 ◼ ► recently, Jason had the great idea of the mini draft that the colors are. We're going to be
00:05:00 ◼ ► drafting a selection of colors. We're going to choose three colors each from the list that we've
00:05:07 ◼ ► already selected. And whoever gets the most colors that will be put into, I'm assuming the MacBook
00:05:14 ◼ ► Pro, will win one point. There's one point. Just one point at risk, but three picks each.
00:05:31 ◼ ► first and that's Jason Snell. Our items are chosen from a predetermined list of choices,
00:05:36 ◼ ► as we've mentioned. We have agreed and also that they must be verifiable on screen and not
00:05:43 ◼ ► ridiculously obvious for us to be able to score the picks. For an item to count, it must be clearly
00:05:49 ◼ ► announced on stage or on a slide during the presentation, verifiable during the keynote
00:05:54 ◼ ► itself. Anything that comes out after does not count. Stephen Hackett will adjudicate in case
00:05:59 ◼ ► of a scoring stalemate between the two of us, but we prefer to score ourselves. No partial points
00:06:05 ◼ ► awarded. The points are awarded on the episode of final and finalized during the scoring segment.
00:06:11 ◼ ► In the case of a tie, there is a tiebreaker question and the loser gets pick of the tiebreaker.
00:06:17 ◼ ► So the overall on that. Results so far this year, I won the first draft of the year in April,
00:06:24 ◼ ► Jason won WWDC in September. So the expectation is here. I have the opportunity to score a tie
00:06:31 ◼ ► for the year probably. And I just want to point out a little statistical note. According to
00:06:37 ◼ ► upgrade.cards, which I guess is the unofficial official website of the upgrade draft. Yep.
00:06:42 ◼ ► All three of our drafts this year were ties settled by the tiebreaker, which is bananas.
00:06:47 ◼ ► Like this is one of those things where I believe Zach's correct, but me and Jason had to really
00:06:52 ◼ ► question each other. Like, is that actually how it went? Um, I trust Zach better than in my own
00:06:57 ◼ ► memory. So, and what that is setting up is if we play our cards right, this one will be a tie
00:07:05 ◼ ► settled by a tiebreaker. You'll win the tiebreaker and we will have tied the entire year, which will
00:07:10 ◼ ► be, I mean, honestly, I want that the most that's what I want. Uh, those scorecards at upgrade.cards.
00:07:17 ◼ ► That's where you can play along, uh, particularly over by wonderful friend of the show, Zach Knox.
00:07:26 ◼ ► for you to play along at home on Monday. So tiebreaker, we do event duration. It's a nice
00:07:35 ◼ ► and easy one to select from. Uh, you're going to pick the time and I'm going to pick over
00:07:41 ◼ ► under on that. That's right. And do right down the middle of this time. Okay. 60 minutes.
00:07:47 ◼ ► Is that the thing that you had the problem with? Yeah. Tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick,
00:07:53 ◼ ► tick, tick. No. What was the, uh, 21, 22, 22, 21, 22. Yep. I was kind of vamping there because
00:08:04 ◼ ► but forgot, which was to look at the length of some of the previous events recently, because I
00:08:12 ◼ ► know that the last one ran long, but I'm not going to compare it to something like that. So, all
00:08:17 ◼ ► right, let me take a look. So my premise here with picking 60 minutes is that this is going to be a
00:08:22 ◼ ► more focused event and they've done some of those in the past where it's really more like an hour
00:08:27 ◼ ► event instead of an hour and a half or a two hour event and that this will be quick and out. And
00:08:32 ◼ ► what I really want to do is make you have to make a decision between this is a longer than 60 event
00:08:39 ◼ ► or a shorter than 60 event. Cause I feel like both are, both are possible. That's why I picked 60.
00:08:52 ◼ ► likely duration. And one of the beauties of picking the over under or picking the setting,
00:08:57 ◼ ► the over under is that you get the number you set. So I get 60, which I think is the highest
00:09:01 ◼ ► probability. So that's my thought. I don't want, I mean, to people who are like, I should have gone
00:09:07 ◼ ► 65, like David in the, in the discord, my rationale there is that I feel like it's going to be 60.
00:09:13 ◼ ► And that if I pick 61 or 65 or 68, Michael just pick the under and I'll lose. So I'm going to
00:09:25 ◼ ► decisions where every time I feel like, Oh my God says this, I go to say it. And then my God
00:09:33 ◼ ► - I'm going to say, I don't know what I'm going to say. All right. Let me talk through my,
00:09:41 ◼ ► my thought process here. Okay. I'm just going to speak a lot. So my expectation realistically
00:09:54 ◼ ► could be serious announcement. And they might have a couple of other little bits and bobs.
00:10:03 ◼ ► Or they could, there could be other things, right? There could be a Mac mini, there could be an iMac,
00:10:07 ◼ ► there could be AirPods, you know, who knows what else could be. - A review of like a look over
00:10:12 ◼ ► of Monterey. - Yeah. An extended preview of a new show. Who knows? - Oh, this is, this is rough.
00:10:20 ◼ ► - And also I'll say official unofficial official historian Zach has now pointed out that their
00:10:26 ◼ ► April event was, was 61 minutes long and their November event was 49 minutes long. - This is why
00:10:33 ◼ ► I'm struggling. - Yeah. That's, this is why I said it where I did is that I don't know whether it's
00:10:37 ◼ ► going to be a hour plus or hour minus, but I feel like it's in the ballpark. - And it doesn't help
00:10:44 ◼ ► that like WWDC and the September event were really long this year. Like, and I know they have more to
00:10:50 ◼ ► do, but I, I've did. - This feels to me more like a spring, you know, like that April or November
00:10:56 ◼ ► event are better analogs, which is why I set it at 60 and not at 90. - If I was choosing, I would
00:11:02 ◼ ► have set it at like somewhere between 55 and 65 would have been the number that I would have gone
00:11:07 ◼ ► for like you have. I'm going to say over. - Okay. - And what I think is it's going to be, as you say,
00:11:18 ◼ ► basically on an hour and I'm just going to assume that they won't be 59, right? - Yeah. I think this,
00:11:24 ◼ ► I think it's more likely that this is a 57 or a, or a 63. - Yeah. This, that's, this is the problem.
00:11:30 ◼ ► - I, I literally think that the probability curve peaks at 60 and then slides down both of the other
00:11:35 ◼ ► sides, but because this is... - I'll tell you why I went there with an hour, with just over.
00:11:41 ◼ ► If Apple have done a lot of what we are going to pick and suggest that they may have done,
00:11:51 ◼ ► kind of really show it off. And so I think that they might go a bit long on it. - Yeah, I, I get
00:11:58 ◼ ► that. And yet last November was 49 minutes, but April was 61. - What was last November? What did they have?
00:12:04 ◼ ► - Uh, last November was the M1 Max, right? - Yeah, but they did, but like that was just like,
00:12:11 ◼ ► these are the chips. There was nothing else to show on them, you know, and, and this one for, you know,
00:12:18 ◼ ► new design, potentially new screen technology, different ports, all that kind of stuff.
00:12:22 ◼ ► Why don't we find out what we think about what's going to happen? - Let's, let's do it. Let's do it.
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00:14:11 ◼ ► I'm gonna start off with a, what's probably an easy one, which is the much rumored upgrade of
00:14:17 ◼ ► the smaller MacBook Pro model to 14 inches. It's a step we thought that they would take
00:14:24 ◼ ► from late 2019 when they upgraded the 15 to a 16 and yet it hasn't happened yet. I think as it got
00:14:34 ◼ ► caught up in the whole Apple Silicon transition, but doing what they did with the 16 where they
00:14:40 ◼ ► shrink the bezels a lot and make it look a lot more modern and get more screen space in there,
00:14:47 ◼ ► it also differentiates it from that weird 13 inch model that they still got kicking around that's
00:14:51 ◼ ► got the M1 in it. So I'll kick us off with that one. Just an easy one probably, the 14 inch
00:14:59 ◼ ► MacBook Pro. Yeah, because I think with you on this, I think you've got kind of two options
00:15:04 ◼ ► really today because you can't have huge bezels on a modern looking laptop. Like if you're going
00:15:09 ◼ ► to redesign the laptop, which seems like they're going to, you've got to get the bezels down as
00:15:14 ◼ ► much as you can. And so they have two choices, right? You keep it 13 and make the laptop smaller,
00:15:19 ◼ ► or you make the screen bigger and you call it a 14 inch laptop. And I think the best option is
00:15:27 ◼ ► to make the bezels smaller and we'll call it 14 inch, right? Because if you make the laptop
00:15:33 ◼ ► smaller, then now you've got a whole other set of things that you have to deal with, right? Like now
00:15:37 ◼ ► the battery needs to be smaller and what do you do about the speakers and all that kind of stuff.
00:15:42 ◼ ► So I'm with you on this. Uh, this was actually going to be my second pick, uh, was that they
00:15:47 ◼ ► would go to 14. This is what I also want as a customer. I want, I want a 14 inch laptop.
00:15:56 ◼ ► Make a big difference. So my first pick is the magnetic charging port is added back to the MacBook
00:16:03 ◼ ► pro line. I mean, I don't know if they will call this magsafe. I don't know if they would, if
00:16:12 ◼ ► they're going to do that, but it's going to be some kind of charger that will charge the laptop
00:16:18 ◼ ► magnetically. I'm just not sure. And I also don't know what it will look like. I'm really kind of
00:16:23 ◼ ► like very intrigued to see what they're going to do with this. Um, the reason I say, I'm not sure.
00:16:30 ◼ ► I mean, magsafe would be the obvious thing, but they don't call the Apple watch charger,
00:16:35 ◼ ► a magsafe charger, and that's magnetic. And they don't call the magnetic plug on the iMac magsafe.
00:16:42 ◼ ► Exactly. And, and I, and I wonder if maybe it's a namespace pollution thing because now,
00:16:48 ◼ ► even if they bring this back magsafe for the iPhone, that's the brand, right? That's like
00:16:54 ◼ ► an important thing. The magnetic, you know, the, the, the charger on the MacBook pro but getting
00:16:59 ◼ ► magnetic is nice, but that's not a brand, you know, and I do not think that you will be able
00:17:05 ◼ ► to charge your laptop via an iPhone's magsafe connector. So I don't, I don't really know what
00:17:11 ◼ ► they will call it. I mean, they may just call it like, it's just the charger and the charger has a
00:17:16 ◼ ► magnetic connection. You know, I don't know how much of a branding it would even get anyway.
00:17:25 ◼ ► pollution, the fact that it's now an iPhone brand and yes, the iPhone stole it from the Mac,
00:17:43 ◼ ► It's a magnet. How do they work? Yeah. I, I hope this happens. I'm very excited about this. I have
00:17:50 ◼ ► one of those things that you stick in a USB-C slot that lets you use a magnetic attached cord because
00:17:57 ◼ ► I like that technology a lot and I miss it. And so if they built it back in, that's going to be
00:18:02 ◼ ► great. I'm looking forward to it. I hope it happens, but I wonder what they'll call it. I
00:18:05 ◼ ► really do. We may have a pick later on, which is relating to this, but I just want to talk about
00:18:11 ◼ ► it now just in case we don't get to it. Just to see, I want to know your personal preference.
00:18:23 ◼ ► but also I would just want it because I do have a lot of USB-C cables all over the place now.
00:18:30 ◼ ► My other argument is there, it's not just a speed thing. It's a docking thing. If you're docking
00:18:35 ◼ ► your laptop attached to like a hub that charges, like the last thing you want to have to do is
00:18:41 ◼ ► go back to two plugs instead of one, because this thing won't charge over the USB-C ports.
00:18:46 ◼ ► That's that. I hadn't thought of that, but that for me now is the exact reason why they must
00:18:50 ◼ ► keep this as a option. Well, the only other solution would be if this plug is a USB-C plug,
00:19:02 ◼ ► a magnetic USB-C, and the other end of it is a USB-C plug so that you could potentially plug
00:19:09 ◼ ► it into a dock. I wouldn't want that. That's it. Cause that just feels like a mess because then I
00:19:15 ◼ ► have to... And then the magnet pops off and you lost your whole dock, which is bad. Which is bad.
00:19:18 ◼ ► Right. Which is very bad. And also then like, you know, asking their business customers to
00:19:23 ◼ ► now replace every single cable. It seems like too much of a mess. That's why I think that at least
00:19:28 ◼ ► one of those will be chargeable. In fact, you have convinced me. Oh, wow. I'm just going to go jump
00:19:35 ◼ ► right ahead and pick it. I'm going to pick, can also charge from USB-C. Great. Because I have a
00:19:41 ◼ ► hard time seeing Apple say, Hey, guess what? More cords. And so I'm going to say that you will be,
00:19:48 ◼ ► you will not have to. In fact, could you imagine a scenario where they make you buy a magnetic
00:19:55 ◼ ► charge plug separately from the regular USB-C? Oh, that's, Oh, I could totally see Apple doing
00:20:02 ◼ ► that where it's just a USB-C cord comes in the box, but you can buy a magnetic charger as an
00:20:07 ◼ ► add on. Oh, but I'm not picking that. I'm just picking that one of those, at least one of those
00:20:11 ◼ ► USB-C ports on it will also be charged. Can also charge actually let's, I mean, for pure rules
00:20:19 ◼ ► lawyering, you know, at least one USB-C port will let you charge. And then if that also means if
00:20:28 ◼ ► there's no magnetic charging, I get that point. So, all right. If that's the way you want to do it,
00:20:33 ◼ ► at least one USB-C port will let you charge. That is the vaguest of vague picks you've created for
00:20:39 ◼ ► yourself there, but it's fine. I can imagine having the MagSafe and then also the USB-C thing
00:20:49 ◼ ► being a kind of example of what Apple will tell the story of this, um, of this laptop of like,
00:20:58 ◼ ► it is new and cool, but for our professional customers, we believe in flexibility. Yeah. So
00:21:05 ◼ ► we'll let you charge how you want. I can imagine that being part of the story of this laptop in
00:21:10 ◼ ► general. Yeah. I think, uh, it will be very interesting to see. Yes. All right. My second pick
00:21:16 ◼ ► touch bar is gone. Touch bar is gone. That was going to be my pick. Yeah. But, but you,
00:21:30 ◼ ► The touch bar has been gone. It's been gone for years, but they just couldn't get rid of it. Like
00:21:35 ◼ ► Apple did not, they just did not. I've never seen, in my memory, I cannot think of something
00:21:42 ◼ ► like this that they've done before where they introduced a hardware feature and then just
00:21:48 ◼ ► pretended that it didn't happen. Right. Like, Hey, look, we did this thing. We're never going
00:21:56 ◼ ► to talk about it again and we're never going to add anything to it. I think that's the most,
00:22:03 ◼ ► the most damning thing about it is that Apple shipped it and never improved it. I know,
00:22:10 ◼ ► you know, there, there were some very, very minor things that were done to it, but I, what I would
00:22:15 ◼ ► say is either Apple believed that it was perfect as it, as is, and never needed to be better,
00:22:21 ◼ ► which it very clearly wasn't because like the OS could have really embraced the touch bar and,
00:22:27 ◼ ► you know, built an API for apps to, to, uh, work globally in the touch bar and stuff like,
00:22:32 ◼ ► which all these third parties like better touch tool and all that, like tried to hack their way
00:22:36 ◼ ► into it. Either Apple thought it was perfect or Apple knew almost immediately that it was a loser.
00:22:45 ◼ ► And they didn't put any more effort into it. And, and in fact, my personal theory is that
00:22:50 ◼ ► the hardware people were really excited about it and the software people thought it was dumb.
00:22:54 ◼ ► And so the software never got better because the software people weren't going to optimize
00:22:58 ◼ ► for the touch bar. And so it just, it just sat there. I also wonder if like it was created and
00:23:04 ◼ ► it was a good idea, but nobody really used it for long enough. Yeah. I, I wonder if that that's the
00:23:10 ◼ ► real story is that they thought people would use it and they didn't. And so they put it off on their
00:23:15 ◼ ► list of things to replace it is telling that it has remained in the lineup for so long. Well,
00:23:26 ◼ ► Apple Silicon laptop with a Dutch bar, I guess though, until you do a chassis redesign, yeah,
00:23:31 ◼ ► you can't get rid of it. Or like you have to redesign the chassis just for that. And that
00:23:36 ◼ ► seems wasteful. Maybe hard to hard to, uh, get rid of it. So I hope they get rid of it. And I'm sorry
00:23:44 ◼ ► to people who like the touch bar, but I think it was a bad idea. I like it. I don't like it enough.
00:23:50 ◼ ► Like I like it when it works. The problem is it doesn't always work for me. And sometimes I hit
00:23:55 ◼ ► it accidentally in a way that I never hit buttons accidentally. That's the damning part of it for
00:24:00 ◼ ► me when I'm using my laptop. I kind of like it. I like it. I like the volume. It's like, it's just
00:24:05 ◼ ► easier for me to grab it. I like it for emoji and stuff like that. But the problem is I also
00:24:12 ◼ ► found out that I've rest some of my fingers in that area and hit the buttons that I don't mean
00:24:19 ◼ ► to hit. And this never happens to me on any other laptop. And so it's, it takes away as much as it
00:24:26 ◼ ► gives, I think. And so it just never really caught on. And I don't think that I'm alone in that.
00:24:31 ◼ ► So I think it's the wrong, I think it's the wrong place for a device like that. Looking,
00:24:37 ◼ ► you know, to have to look down, not only look down on your keyboard, but then look to the top of it
00:24:42 ◼ ► and then reach over there. The way to, the way to solve this and the way to do it properly is
00:24:46 ◼ ► to put a touch screen on a laptop because you don't accidentally touch the screen and then you
00:24:52 ◼ ► have all of that stuff available to you. You know, Windows laptops learned this a long time ago and
00:24:57 ◼ ► it's great. You know, I think a lot of long time Mac people just assume it will be bad. It's good.
00:25:02 ◼ ► I like having the option to touch the screen if I want to. And I hope one day Apple does this.
00:25:08 ◼ ► I don't think they're doing it now. I hope that they do one day. What is your third pick?
00:25:21 ◼ ► And I'm going to say the display will be a mini LED display and marketed for some sort of enhanced
00:25:33 ◼ ► they will talk if it's a mini LED display, like the one on the iPad, they will talk about it's
00:25:38 ◼ ► one of its features being extended to dynamic range of some part. I'm not saying it's going to
00:25:43 ◼ ► be called the XDR or something, but I'm going to say that some combination, because they may not
00:25:49 ◼ ► say mini LED. Did they say mini LED about the iPad pro, but they talked about its extended range.
00:25:55 ◼ ► So I think we're going to do that again. Basically. It's on the opportunity. They don't
00:26:01 ◼ ► talk about what the technology is. They did say it was mini LED for the iPad pro. Cause I remember
00:26:05 ◼ ► being surprised about it. I think they'll do it again. I think they'll do some form of that
00:26:09 ◼ ► where we're essentially going to get a version of the iPad pro conversation again. Man, that'd be
00:26:20 ◼ ► it's going to be incredible. Yeah. They think it like, again, maybe this might come up later.
00:26:25 ◼ ► If they do this and don't create an external display with mini LED in it, that would be so sad.
00:26:29 ◼ ► Oh, I'm going to use this computer in clam show mode for ergonomics. And now I don't get to see
00:26:36 ◼ ► the nice screen. This is, this is me being sad about my new characters. That's sad, sad, Myke.
00:26:51 ◼ ► Okay. So yes, I'm on board with this and would love it. It was pretty high up on my list too.
00:26:58 ◼ ► I'm going to go, I'm now going to focus back on one of the original rumors for this machine.
00:27:06 ◼ ► And my third pick will be the HDMI port will be added to the MacBook, at least one MacBook Pro.
00:27:26 ◼ ► literally it was the let's talk about every single thing that's rumored for this. Cause it is
00:27:30 ◼ ► the way they described it. I think accurately is that every dream of every Mac user has been
00:27:35 ◼ ► placed on this update. It's like literally what if they solved all the problems? And I started to
00:27:39 ◼ ► think, you know, maybe they will, but probably they'll disappoint us in some choice or other.
00:27:45 ◼ ► For sure. And I started to think about how do I rank all of the things that have been rumored.
00:27:50 ◼ ► And I think HDMI is a really good choice because it eliminates the need, the most common need,
00:28:04 ◼ ► I think, for a dongle of any laptop, which is every everybody's got an HDMI plug. Every device
00:28:11 ◼ ► has an HDMI plug. This is the, for me, like much more important than putting an SD card slot on
00:28:17 ◼ ► the laptop. Like the rationale of connecting a laptop to an external display and not having to
00:28:26 ◼ ► have it be some weird adapter or anything, but literally just it is the plug that is on every
00:28:35 ◼ ► device. It just, it makes the most sense of all of the rumors of different slots on this thing.
00:28:40 ◼ ► I mean, you know, this has been heavily rumored. There were those apparent schematics that came out
00:28:44 ◼ ► and said that it had it, but nevertheless, like this is, if I was going to, if you were
00:28:49 ◼ ► going to say, Hey Myke, what are they going to put on this thing? Like what port are they going to
00:28:53 ◼ ► add? This is what I would go for first, because as you say, right, these things are used in
00:28:57 ◼ ► presentations all the time. People need to connect to projectors. HDMI is the easy way to do that.
00:29:03 ◼ ► So it makes a lot of sense. It is a very universal connector. And I think a lot of people would get
00:29:10 ◼ ► a lot of use out of it. So HDMI port. Yeah, I think that's a good choice. Fourth round?
00:29:17 ◼ ► Okay. I am going to go with a better webcam. That's what I wanted. Okay. Yep. How is it better?
00:29:26 ◼ ► Well, I'll say it's gotta be two, 10 80 or better. I believe the webcam on these is seven 20 still.
00:29:33 ◼ ► The iMac 24 has a 10 80 webcam like, like my iMac pro, but it has the better image signal processing
00:29:50 ◼ ► and that's it, then we've, we've all lost. Yes. Because that is, that is a fallback. In fact,
00:29:59 ◼ ► I think it's kind of weak that they said that the webcam in the 24 inch iMac was 10 80, but it was
00:30:05 ◼ ► the best webcam ever on the Mac. And literally it's the same webcam as the iMac pro, but with
00:30:16 ◼ ► I think that's the baseline is that it, that this laptop have that webcam essentially a 10 80.
00:30:24 ◼ ► I'd love for this to be more than that. I'll be disappointed if it's not more than that,
00:30:48 ◼ ► Yeah. I think, I think 10 80 is not asking too much and that's why I have more confidence in
00:30:54 ◼ ► this choice. What I'd like to say is that it's a 4k webcam with a widescreen lens and center stage.
00:31:01 ◼ ► Yeah. That's what it should be. Yes. That is what it should be. And, and if, if they build this
00:31:06 ◼ ► amazing pro system that has all this incredible power and ports and all those things, honestly,
00:31:13 ◼ ► even if it's a, just a 10 80 webcam that I've picked, it's, it's weak. Like they need to put
00:31:21 ◼ ► a much better webcam in their laptops and then all their computers, all their Macs, the Mac webcam
00:31:26 ◼ ► world is very sad right now. And, and I really do think that where they need to go is a fancy new
00:31:34 ◼ ► bit of webcam tech that is higher resolution and wider screen and has center stage as part of it.
00:32:02 ◼ ► webcam built into my iMac, when I use it in the studio, right? Flickers because of my overhead
00:32:09 ◼ ► lighting. Oh, and this could be fixed if Apple would let me change the, uh, the camera from like,
00:32:18 ◼ ► I don't know the exact terminology you use 60 Hertz to 50 Hertz with polling rate. I, so I have
00:32:25 ◼ ► to have a Logitech webcam on the top of my iMac because of this, because Logitech allow me in
00:32:32 ◼ ► software to change it from 60 Hertz to 50 Hertz of the anti-flicker. Apple does not allow for
00:32:38 ◼ ► anybody to make this change. I have an app which can do it for any other webcam as well as using
00:32:44 ◼ ► Logitech saying, but the app that I bought doesn't allow me to do anything. And it doesn't seem like
00:32:49 ◼ ► they have the ability to change it. And this is just like one of those things where it's like,
00:32:53 ◼ ► Hey, in America, we don't have this problem, you know, and, and because, you know, power and stuff
00:32:58 ◼ ► is different here, whatever. So it's just a frustration for me. Apple just let me do something
00:33:03 ◼ ► or let developers make this change because I cannot use the good cameras that you put on your
00:33:11 ◼ ► machines, even if you put them on there because people just have to watch this like laser light
00:33:22 ◼ ► Yeah. Well, that's a, that's a little bit of a sidebar, but you're right. That's one of those
00:33:26 ◼ ► places where Apple's lack of giving people options is biting you. And that's another thing they
00:33:34 ◼ ► should do is if they're going to put a webcam up there, they need to be able to let you set
00:33:58 ◼ ► with the thinking that the mini led screen, they will, it will, if they put that on there,
00:34:07 ◼ ► it's going to be a similar thing to the iPad that got the mini led screen in it for whatever reason,
00:34:20 ◼ ► Uh, Ooh, you know what I've just thought about, I was going to say, do you think Apple's going
00:34:24 ◼ ► to stand on stage and say, our laptop is thicker. That was a bad thing for us to put in the list.
00:34:37 ◼ ► The discord brought it up and I thought I shouldn't have had that in our list. We should
00:34:41 ◼ ► not have had that in our list. I mean, if they showed dimensions, they want those dimensions
00:34:47 ◼ ► are, are if they say it's this wide by this thick or whatever, look how thin it is. And then we say,
00:34:52 ◼ ► wait a second, isn't the old one thinner than that? You would get that point. It is something
00:34:57 ◼ ► that they might disclose, but they're not going to shout that it's thicker. They would disclose
00:35:00 ◼ ► a thickness that would be thicker. Yeah. I don't even think they would give dimensions on,
00:35:04 ◼ ► on stage though. Okay. If there is a stage, I'll go with something a little bit trickier
00:35:16 ◼ ► this is one of those that's really interesting because I'm not sure this has been rumored.
00:35:25 ◼ ► So I am kind of trying to pull one out of the hat here, but if you know, in my thinking is
00:35:33 ◼ ► if they've gone to all this effort and they've created this new mini led screen, higher refresh
00:35:39 ◼ ► rates are the future. Could you not just do it now? Is that what I'm going for? Yes. All right.
00:35:52 ◼ ► All right. The Mac already supports higher refresh rates than Apple screens. So if you have a higher
00:35:57 ◼ ► refresh rate monitor, which I do, the Mac will support it. So this is already there. All Apple
00:36:04 ◼ ► have to do is make a screen that can support it themselves. They already do that with their
00:36:12 ◼ ► mini led technology. They've done the work. Yeah. And they don't even make the screens right there.
00:36:16 ◼ ► Somebody's got a screen and those screens exist. And then yeah, the mini led, there's an argument
00:36:28 ◼ ► dude, now is the time to really upgrade this display. And it's also one of those things,
00:36:32 ◼ ► if they're using the same screen manufacturer, you know, it's like, wouldn't it be harder to
00:36:38 ◼ ► just not do it the way you do it everywhere else? You know, like your chip supports it because it's
00:36:44 ◼ ► the same underlying chip technology, you know, like go for it. Let's just put, let's make a higher,
00:36:51 ◼ ► I don't know if it's 120. They might not go all the way to 120. I don't know if Apple have decided
00:36:56 ◼ ► that promotion means something, but nevertheless, I'm going to go with promotion display.
00:37:01 ◼ ► All right. I can't let this last round pass without going back to the many, many rumored
00:37:13 ◼ ► or adding all ports that are beloved by fans of ports everywhere. I can't let it go without
00:37:19 ◼ ► picking the SD card slot being added to at least one model, 16 inch. I'm looking at you,
00:37:34 ◼ ► saying, we got a lot of feedback from our pro customers that they want support for an SD card
00:37:38 ◼ ► slot. So here it is like, and also I don't think the SD card slot is antithetical to Apple. I think
00:37:44 ◼ ► that Apple understands that people use it. My, my, my iMac pro has an SD card slot on it. I think
00:37:51 ◼ ► they could bring it back to the laptops. And I think honestly, it's probably one of those things
00:37:55 ◼ ► that pros have been yelling at Apple for, for a while now. So I'm going to just put it out there.
00:38:00 ◼ ► What kind of slot is it? Is, you know, I don't know what sort of SD card format, speed, whatever.
00:38:07 ◼ ► I'm just going to say it's an SD card slot. Okay. I don't know what to do now. I have some
00:38:16 ◼ ► boring pics. I have some not so boring pics. You could embrace the excitement of what the
00:38:23 ◼ ► chip's going to be called. Well, this is one of my, I was not confident of, I still think M1X is
00:38:29 ◼ ► the best name for it. And I actually have a theory about the chip where people are like, no, it'll be
00:38:34 ◼ ► like pro and pro max. I don't like that. I don't know if it's got like a 10 core version and a 20
00:38:39 ◼ ► core version, you could start calling it like the M1X 10, the M1X 20, which sounds super cool to me.
00:38:45 ◼ ► So M1X and M1XX. Oh, M1XX. So one of my potential picks is choosing it is, or it isn't called M1X,
00:38:57 ◼ ► but I don't know if I want to wade into that for the draft. I've had that at the top of my list and
00:39:02 ◼ ► I look at it and I'm like, no, I can't choose. Can I ask you now, what would you say? Yes, it is.
00:39:07 ◼ ► I would say yes it is, but my confidence isn't high enough to have picked it. If I was going
00:39:15 ◼ ► to make a pick, my pick would be no, no, it will not be called M1X. You want to add a line to the
00:39:22 ◼ ► draft that's just a straight up will it or won't it. We could do that. I don't think we can add
00:39:28 ◼ ► any more bonus rounds into this draft. All right. It's a little gentleman's, how about this? It's
00:39:35 ◼ ► just a little gentleman's wager on the side for nothing other than just, let's see who was right.
00:39:40 ◼ ► I say it is, you say it isn't. Yeah. I like that. I like that. It's all on the side that we've got.
00:39:45 ◼ ► Yeah. Let's just keep adding to this. All right. So shall I tell you what I'm weighing up?
00:39:50 ◼ ► Yeah. I can't pick any more in this category actually. So you're not giving anything away
00:40:05 ◼ ► Higher resolution retina display, but I don't know how much I want to keep betting on this display.
00:40:11 ◼ ► And they would have to talk about it. Although they would, if it was, if it was a higher
00:40:15 ◼ ► resolution, they would talk about it. And if they disclose the resolution and it is higher,
00:40:18 ◼ ► that would get you that point. Anyway, the other one is power brick has an ethernet Jack. Oh man.
00:40:24 ◼ ► Can you imagine like it's on the iMac it's right there. It would be an upsell if they didn't do it.
00:40:31 ◼ ► Like even if it was just on the 16, cause you've already done it now in that idealized world where
00:40:37 ◼ ► you just have a laptop on a desk and there's only one cable coming out of it to have it include the
00:40:42 ◼ ► ethernet. So when you plug in, it's almost like a little mini doc and we know that they are happy
00:40:46 ◼ ► with that concept because they do it with the iMac. Um, but just because they can do it doesn't
00:40:51 ◼ ► necessarily mean they will, but it goes back to what we were talking about when they put it on the
00:40:56 ◼ ► iMac, which is like, would you really do this just for the iMac? Like the iMac already has some ports
00:41:02 ◼ ► on it and I know it's like a thickness thing or whatever, like blah, blah, blah. I get it.
00:41:06 ◼ ► But laptops also have a thickness issue. And it means you've got to have a dongle. And if all
00:41:12 ◼ ► you're doing is connecting to ethernet when you're at a desk with your power cord, you don't need the
00:41:16 ◼ ► dongle because your power cord is the dongle. Right. I could totally see the argument for it,
00:41:20 ◼ ► whether they do it this time or not. I don't know. And that's why I didn't pick it. But I think that
00:41:25 ◼ ► it is entirely plausible that they would do that. So for me, the webcam one maybe seems the most
00:41:32 ◼ ► likely, but it's also the most boring. I would say you should probably specify that as like the
00:41:38 ◼ ► best ever on a Mac. Yeah. That's what I, that, that, yeah. These are all, these are all plausible
00:41:43 ◼ ► choices of, I would say kind of equal plausibility. You know, I would say the problem with the webcam
00:41:50 ◼ ► pick is if all it is is the same webcam that's in the iMac and it has the ISP, it's not the best
00:41:58 ◼ ► ever. It would just be as good. They would have had to have changed to the ISP again, right? If
00:42:03 ◼ ► it's a 1080p and then for, and I don't think they would have necessarily done that. I'm going to go
00:42:08 ◼ ► with the power brick has an ethernet jack. Okay. And I'm going to be sad when Apple 100% calls this
00:42:13 ◼ ► webcam its best ever, but that's boring. It has a boring pick and I don't want to just have a
00:42:19 ◼ ► boring pick for the sake of it. Like, yeah, I think that that's a big risk because it really
00:42:25 ◼ ► requires it to be even better than 1080p. And I don't know if I try, honestly, it makes total
00:42:31 ◼ ► sense that it would be. I have been let down by Apple in terms of its webcams for so long now,
00:42:37 ◼ ► forever, basically that I just don't have a lot of confidence. Cause I could imagine them just as
00:42:50 ◼ ► from our iMac into this MacBook pro. And that wouldn't be it for me. Right. That's not the
00:42:56 ◼ ► point, but I could imagine them saying that and making it sound as good as it is. Cause I do not
00:43:01 ◼ ► think they're going to go above 1080. I would love it if they did, but I do not think they will.
00:43:05 ◼ ► And I don't think as much as we'd love it. I mean, we don't know we're finished with our
00:43:10 ◼ ► picks now. So it's not going to come up. I don't think this is going to get center stage, even
00:43:13 ◼ ► though it should. I just think it's too, they wouldn't have done it. I think Apple's game on,
00:43:19 ◼ ► on the Mac in terms of webcams has been terrible for a very, very, very long time. And it's really
00:43:24 ◼ ► frustrating, especially since we have now seen what they do on their other devices. Now, one of
00:43:29 ◼ ► these days, it's entirely possible that they're going to have that moment of revelation and maybe
00:43:35 ◼ ► the pandemic did it. And maybe in these Mac book pro systems, we'll see it, or maybe because of the
00:43:41 ◼ ► lead times and all of that, it wasn't ready here. I w I want to be open to the possibility. Cause I
00:43:47 ◼ ► think it's, I think it really is inevitable that Apple is going to put on some max, a wide angle,
00:43:52 ◼ ► high resolution camera that does center stage. I do think it's going to happen. I think that if it,
00:43:56 ◼ ► if it is not going to happen on these systems, it'll probably happen on the big iMac because
00:44:01 ◼ ► iMac is actually the best place for it. And I think the only reason it's not on the 24 is that
00:44:05 ◼ ► the 24 inch iMac predated center stage when they were designing it, even though it came out at the
00:44:12 ◼ ► same time, it predated center stage. So I feel like center stage on the Mac kind of has to happen,
00:44:18 ◼ ► but they have let me down so many times that to pick it in advance and say, this is the day where
00:44:24 ◼ ► Apple's story about webcams changes forever. That's, that's hard to do. I just, they've let
00:44:30 ◼ ► me down too many times. They're there. This is one of those areas where they are way behind the
00:44:33 ◼ ► cutting edge and it's very sad. And the iPad is in front of it. The iPad mini is in front of the
00:44:40 ◼ ► cutting edge on this one. Come on. Okay. Well, there are those MacBook pro picks 10 of them.
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00:46:12 ◼ ► So now we're going to do the Colorzar draft. So the draft of the Colorzar. Here we go. So
00:46:18 ◼ ► the colors are decrees that a draft be created. And their honor. So we've been talking a lot
00:46:26 ◼ ► recently on the show about Apple's somewhat perplexing choices of colors for their machines
00:46:30 ◼ ► and also in a hope that they have a pro computer, they're redesigning it. Will they add at least
00:46:36 ◼ ► some color to this line? Who can know? We have a selection of colors that we've picked in advance
00:46:42 ◼ ► that range from color options and names of stuff that already exists in Apple's lineup from past
00:46:49 ◼ ► and present, along with some general colors, you know, blue, orange, green, yellow, red, purple,
00:46:54 ◼ ► that kind of thing. Now, you know, and we'll be able to decide. If they call it like Tahoe blue,
00:47:01 ◼ ► or something, it's blue. Okay. And that's why I've gone with that because when it gets to colors,
00:47:07 ◼ ► it gets more complicated. The way we're going to do this is a reminder, we get three picks each,
00:47:13 ◼ ► and whoever gets the most gets the point. One point on offer. And if we tie, then we either
00:47:19 ◼ ► both get it or don't get it, and it doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. Oh, maybe this should be...
00:47:23 ◼ ► No, okay. I was going to say, maybe we should have a tie breaker, which is the name of the chip.
00:47:29 ◼ ► No. But it's not a color. A chip doesn't even make any sense. No, it doesn't. All right.
00:47:36 ◼ ► We'll just polish this off pretty quick. I pick silver. I think boring. Boring. Bet on boring,
00:47:41 ◼ ► I say. Space gray. Yeah, bet on boring. We're bet on boring. I knew that was going to happen.
00:47:48 ◼ ► I knew it. I knew it. Oh, man. Oh, now it gets hard. I am going to go with... I'm going to go
00:48:00 ◼ ► with starlight. I'm going to go, what if they do starlight? What if they make it starlight?
00:48:03 ◼ ► That's what I'm going to go with. Fun, because I want midnight. Oh. I actually think midnight
00:48:10 ◼ ► is the most likely of their current color options to come to a pro laptop. Because it's dark,
00:48:19 ◼ ► because Apple believes that. It's pro. But it's got a little color to it. I am going to choose
00:48:27 ◼ ► a non-matte black. So we have on our board matte black and non-matte black. So is this space black?
00:48:33 ◼ ► Is it just black? I don't know, but I'm just going to put it out there. Because again, I have a hard
00:48:41 ◼ ► time picking actual colors. I am tripling down. Graphite. Graphite. That's a great choice,
00:48:49 ◼ ► because they might call a really dark gray graphite. Basically, I'm assuming there will be
00:48:54 ◼ ► a dark color laptop, and it's going to be one of those three names. That's what I'm going for.
00:48:59 ◼ ► My next option, by the way, if you would have picked graphite, midnight, or space gray,
00:49:04 ◼ ► was going to be matte black. Yeah. I thought that that's where we were going to go, is I pick
00:49:09 ◼ ► non-matte black and you pick matte black. Yeah, but I don't think it's that likely for that. But
00:49:14 ◼ ► that is what I would have gone with. And if it were going to pick a color, it would be some kind
00:49:18 ◼ ► of blue. Blue. Yeah, agreed. That's colors. So this is the thing. The colors are draft. Oh,
00:49:26 ◼ ► you think to yourself, that's a bunch of boring colors. They're barely even colors. Well, you can
00:49:31 ◼ ► blame Apple for that, I guess. We'll find out. That's right. All right. So let's move into our
00:49:37 ◼ ► other picks round. Final four picks. Everything's on the table. If there is a product, a piece of
00:49:43 ◼ ► software, something to do with a service, it's all in here. It's all to play for. New AirPods.
00:49:49 ◼ ► It's going to happen. All right. Let me know. I pick new AirPods feature, a design inspired by
00:49:54 ◼ ► AirPods Pro. This seems very obvious that they, they, well, they have at some point ship a new
00:50:03 ◼ ► pair of AirPods. You would expect if they've got it available to do, they will want to do it before
00:50:08 ◼ ► the holiday season. If they're going to ship any kind of AirPods, it's going to be the standard,
00:50:14 ◼ ► right? The regular AirPod. I think they're going to do it. And if they're going to do it,
00:50:19 ◼ ► it will have a new design. I definitely think they're going to do it. It's it's why not? Now
00:50:25 ◼ ► is a great time. It's been rumored for a long time. They are great sellers. I'm sure they're
00:50:28 ◼ ► great sellers at the holidays. Um, the design inspired, I guess my question would be, you know,
00:50:34 ◼ ► again, gentlemen's agreement sort of thing. We'll if they don't say it's inspired by the AirPods Pro,
00:50:40 ◼ ► we'll I think probably know it when we see it, if they look like the AirPods Pro or if they don't.
00:50:45 ◼ ► It should be very clear this, this won't be a thing that I think will take any litigation.
00:50:50 ◼ ► Yeah. And if it does, then we'll see if Steven thinks they're inspired by the AirPods Pro.
00:50:59 ◼ ► Yeah. All the, all the rumors indicate that they, I mean, honestly it makes sense, right? They
00:51:04 ◼ ► designed the AirPods and then they designed the AirPods Pro and that's the new AirPods design.
00:51:10 ◼ ► And I imagine that there is some economy of scale, if nothing else from sort of like piggybacking on
00:51:17 ◼ ► that design and using some of the same parts or some of the same methods in order to create
00:51:23 ◼ ► regular AirPods too. So it doesn't surprise me at all. And it's, in fact, it's kind of your standard
00:51:28 ◼ ► Apple trickle down kind of thing, right? Where they introduce something up at the high end and
00:51:32 ◼ ► then later it kind of comes down to other models. It sort of feels like that too. They, they like,
00:51:37 ◼ ► Tim Cook likes to kind of reuse things down, you know, over time. So I think it's a pretty good
00:51:44 ◼ ► choice. Anything goes, ready for mine? Yeah, I'm super, super ready. Mention of a new version
00:51:51 ◼ ► of an Apple Pro app. Okay. So what I mean by this is there will be something maybe enabled by the
00:52:01 ◼ ► software or maybe enabled by the hardware, the new hardware, maybe not. Maybe it's something that is
00:52:08 ◼ ► just something they're rolling in as part of the story. But I feel like for a MacBook Pro event,
00:52:13 ◼ ► they're going to talk about, we have a new version of Final Cut that does this thing, or we have a
00:52:18 ◼ ► new version of Logic that does this thing. And that's all I'm saying here is that they will
00:52:23 ◼ ► mention that there's going to be an update to or a new version of, or there's this feature that we're
00:52:28 ◼ ► adding to Logic or Final Cut or whatever that is part of the story of this. That's it. That's,
00:52:36 ◼ ► that's kind of all I'm saying. We'll see. But they just have to mention it, that there's some,
00:52:42 ◼ ► some new awesome thing in a new version of one of their Pro apps. So if they said such and such
00:52:51 ◼ ► will be updated to support this new feature. Yes. That's enough. Yeah. I think basically what I'm
00:52:58 ◼ ► looking for is they're going to mention a Pro app in the context of some new thing that the Pro app
00:53:04 ◼ ► will now be able to do. Okay. So that as part of rolling out this Pro software, they're going to
00:53:09 ◼ ► call out the Pro apps, a Pro app at least, and say, it does this now. But that's what we're
00:53:13 ◼ ► looking for. It has to be mentioned a Pro app that they already make, and that is going to get some
00:53:20 ◼ ► kind of support for something. For something. And, and yeah, probably related to the hardware,
00:53:26 ◼ ► although they could fake it and it could be like, oh, it's got this amazing other thing that it does.
00:53:31 ◼ ► Like if they, if they say Logic now supports spatial audio, which is something that they
00:53:36 ◼ ► said would happen eventually. But if they say in their event, they go to the trouble of mentioning
00:53:42 ◼ ► that Logic has gotten this new feature, that counts. I just, I'm saying, I want to see a Pro
00:53:46 ◼ ► app call out about something new in a Pro app. Cool. That's cool. That makes sense. I'm going
00:53:51 ◼ ► to go over a bit of stagecraft. We're all going to get to say hello to our friend, John Turnus,
00:53:57 ◼ ► as he will introduce a product during the event. Ah, John Turnus. They've been going to turn us a
00:54:02 ◼ ► lot, right? Like during the good friend, especially since the Apple Silicon transition. Um, I was
00:54:08 ◼ ► thinking about this, like who would do it? And I was like, immediately I thought, oh, JAWS. And I
00:54:11 ◼ ► was like, no, no. Like if I think about this, JAWS does the iPhone, like the iPhone pro,
00:54:17 ◼ ► I think pretty much to my memory, all of the Macs have been introduced, the M1 Macs or the Apple
00:54:24 ◼ ► Silicon Macs have been introduced by John Turnus. They go into that like mid level, uh, that he
00:54:29 ◼ ► seems to occupy, occupy, I should say. And, uh, in Steve Jobs theater, right. There's like that
00:54:34 ◼ ► middle level is all silver and that's where John Turnus lives. At the bottom of the elevator. Yeah.
00:54:39 ◼ ► JAWS lives up at the top of the elevator. JAWS lives outside. Oh, JAWS lives outside. Right.
00:54:45 ◼ ► Right. Cause first time he was, he'd found a way to sneak into the, uh, visit the center.
00:54:51 ◼ ► That's where he was when he introduced the 12 pro and then for the 13 pro they kicked him out and he
00:54:57 ◼ ► was, he was just hanging around outside. That's true. At night. No, at night. You don't have to
00:55:02 ◼ ► go home, but you can't stay here. JAWS. You got to get out. So that's what I'm going with. All
00:55:08 ◼ ► right. I am going to pick, I'm going to go for it. Apple Silicon faster, Apple Silicon Mac mini
00:55:22 ◼ ► Yeah. I don't know either, but I was more confident in it than the other things that we had
00:55:30 ◼ ► on our list. So I picked it. I think this is one of those, just like it was a year ago, you throw
00:55:35 ◼ ► in the Mac mini with the other announcements. Cause right. We were surprised when we got two
00:55:39 ◼ ► laptops and a Mac mini last time. And I feel like that Mac mini is just laying out there and they
00:55:45 ◼ ► want to replace it. They could do it later, but there's like still an Intel Mac mini in their
00:55:49 ◼ ► product line. Like they want it out. They want to get it out. So this would be a way to do it
00:55:53 ◼ ► is they've got this new chip and boom. It's also in the Mac mini. Yeah. So that, that's why I
00:55:58 ◼ ► talked myself into it. Great question for you, not for the draft, but question new design.
00:56:05 ◼ ► I'm going to refer you to my comments about the webcam, which is I've been burned on Mac mini
00:56:10 ◼ ► design for so long. Apple has changed the Mac mini design so infrequently. And there's so much room
00:56:16 ◼ ► in the existing Mac mini design for cooling and things, even for a higher powered processor,
00:56:21 ◼ ► that I, if I had to choose, I would choose not a new design. I would choose it to look exactly
00:56:27 ◼ ► like the existing Intel Mac mini that's got the space gray. And that's it. And I know that's like,
00:56:34 ◼ ► I'm betting on disappointment. So you could imagine like, Hey, we've got this new chip.
00:56:46 ◼ ► right? Like, is that kind of what you expect they would do? Yeah. Yeah. That's what I'm thinking.
00:56:51 ◼ ► And not like there, here's a totally new redesigned Mac mini that is unlike anything you've
00:56:56 ◼ ► seen before. And it's more like a Mac pro and whatever they may yet do that, but that's not
00:57:00 ◼ ► what I'm thinking for this. I'm thinking that they're going to do a, you know, M1X Mac mini
00:57:05 ◼ ► variant that is more powerful and has more ports on the back than the M1 Mac mini. And they're
00:57:12 ◼ ► doing that because they get to clear another Intel Mac off their list. All right. The best I can do
00:57:19 ◼ ► with the draft here is win this draft in time for the year. That's the best I can get out of it.
00:57:24 ◼ ► Right. You're going for glory. Is that what's happening? No, I am deciding I'm going to pull
00:57:30 ◼ ► out into the world what I want the world to give back to me. All right. External display introduced.
00:57:59 ◼ ► My, I want this too. Yeah. My concern about it is that they're not going to do this until they do a
00:58:10 ◼ ► new big iMac. I'm not sure that's logical, but that's just my feeling of like, if they're going
00:58:17 ◼ ► to do a new big iMac that's fancy and has fancy display technology, um, that they might want to
00:58:23 ◼ ► have that display debut on the iMac and not on an external display. But the right time to introduce
00:58:29 ◼ ► an external display is for MacBook Pro users. That is the right time to do it. Mac Pro, I guess,
00:58:35 ◼ ► but like MacBook Pro users, it's the perfect time for them. I mean, they could even not make it
00:58:40 ◼ ► really amazing, but just have like, we have a new baseline display and it's basically the same as
00:58:45 ◼ ► the iMac. They could. I would want more out of it, but at least it would be properly integrated and
00:58:51 ◼ ► stuff. Yeah. Maybe they put a 4k webcam in that. Oh boy, dare to dream. Now you're being unreasonable.
00:59:01 ◼ ► We have put this pic in, uh, Jason amended, I think it makes sense, affordable external
00:59:06 ◼ ► display. We know what we mean here, which is it's not a rev of the Pro Display XDR. It's a new
00:59:11 ◼ ► display. Well, what does that leave me with here? There's lots of options. I mean, there's a universe
00:59:19 ◼ ► of options here. Jason put a lot of potential comedy bits in to this. I did. I did. And I'm
00:59:26 ◼ ► thinking of those. Yeah. I'm going to choose a comedy bit because why not? Jon Stewart comedy
00:59:31 ◼ ► bit. That's my choice. I don't know what might not be very long, but, uh, Jon Stewart comedy bit.
00:59:39 ◼ ► He's got a new show on Apple TV+. It's it's live on air now. Maybe there's a comedy bit.
00:59:49 ◼ ► I okay. Mac OS Monterey shipping in October. I think there's a good chance of this happening.
00:59:57 ◼ ► Okay. Let's talk timelines. They're going to announce products on the 18th. It's going to be
01:00:02 ◼ ► new Mac book pros. They're going to ship presumably with Mac OS Monterey. They're not going to ship.
01:00:12 ◼ ► we haven't talked about, but they released a new beta of Monterey that has some changes to Safari
01:00:18 ◼ ► in it. And it seems like they're still making changes to Safari. Um, uh, it, it feels really
01:00:25 ◼ ► weird that they're making changes this late, but I'm reminded of those iPhone pro models that I got
01:00:30 ◼ ► that were running iOS 15 and then wanted to update to iOS 15. This is a trick Apple does now as they
01:00:36 ◼ ► put earlier builds that are basically beta builds on as the final, and then they push an update.
01:00:42 ◼ ► Yes. So you, you get it when it ships. So they're probably loaded with a, a build like beta 10,
01:00:48 ◼ ► beta nine, and then we'll update to the final, even though it'll claim to be the final, it won't be.
01:00:54 ◼ ► Um, so the scenario here is they announced it on the 18th. It probably ships on the 29th,
01:01:04 ◼ ► about when Monterey will ship is that Monterey will probably ship on like the 27th or the third.
01:01:12 ◼ ► But I think, I think it's more, more likely that it ships in October by the end of the month,
01:01:18 ◼ ► probably like the 27th. So here's why I've gone with this is cause I agree. I don't think you're
01:01:23 ◼ ► going to be like, my feeling is do the event on the 18th products go on sale, you know, like they
01:01:29 ◼ ► were pre-ordered on the end of the week and then shipping the next week and the next week. I just
01:01:34 ◼ ► think it's also possible they'll ship the week after that. I understand. But like, so yes, you
01:01:38 ◼ ► could say you could pre-order them on Friday and they ship on the fifth of November. Well then why
01:01:42 ◼ ► not do the event on the 25th of October? I don't know. There's, I mean, like there's no reason to
01:01:47 ◼ ► have two weeks before the products start to ship when the event dates are completely devoid of any
01:01:56 ◼ ► requirement to move anybody anywhere anymore. You know, I don't know. And then you could have
01:02:00 ◼ ► actually done it on Tuesday the 26th cause they're only doing it on the 19th because Google has the
01:02:05 ◼ ► Pixel event on the 19th. Cause they're only doing it on the 18th. There's no reason why would they,
01:02:09 ◼ ► oh, we picked on Monday for once just for funsies. No, they want to be able to put stuff on pre-order
01:02:15 ◼ ► on Friday cause it's shipping the week after. This is what, this is my thinking. And they would have
01:02:19 ◼ ► ideally wanted to do it on the 19th, but they don't want to compete against Google. I think that's all
01:02:24 ◼ ► perfectly reasonable. I just think there's also a chance that it would be one week later than that.
01:02:27 ◼ ► Sure. But for all of this to happen, Mac OS Monterey has to ship at some point. And so I think
01:02:32 ◼ ► there's enough time for it to, for them to say it comes out by the end of the month or in October or
01:02:38 ◼ ► next week or whatever. Sure. I think that's a reasonable choice. And I know, I know because
01:02:43 ◼ ► I understand that Monterey is buggy. I get that, but sometimes they release buggy operating systems.
01:02:51 ◼ ► That's true. It just happens because they have other things going on. So that's the draft.
01:02:57 ◼ ► That's the draft. I'm pretty excited for Monday. I am too. Cause I feel like there's a lot of,
01:03:01 ◼ ► like, I don't really know what they're going to do. You know, like we got a lot of things that we
01:03:05 ◼ ► think they're going to do, but I don't feel particularly convinced about anything, you know,
01:03:11 ◼ ► so I'm excited about it. Like I have, as is obvious from how we structured this, a pretty high
01:03:16 ◼ ► confidence that MacBook Pro is what we're going to see, but the details, right. We've had a lot
01:03:19 ◼ ► of details leak to the point where it seems like they can't all be true. But if they are,
01:03:25 ◼ ► it's going to be unbelievable. Right. Like imagine if they do all this. And even if they do most of
01:03:30 ◼ ► it and not all of it, it's still kind of pretty amazing. Right. Plus I am very excited about that
01:03:36 ◼ ► new Apple Silicon ship because we have only seen the one, right. We've only seen the M1. So what's
01:03:41 ◼ ► Apple story with the next step in the evolution of Apple Silicon on Mac. I'm very excited to see that
01:03:47 ◼ ► too. Can't wait to see those benchmarks, man. Yeah. Can't wait to see that Jon Stewart comedy bit.
01:03:51 ◼ ► Yeah. Is that going to be on his show at any point? Hey, oh, I haven't seen the second episode
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