00:00:13 ◼ ► From Relay FM, this is Upgrade, episode 363, and today's show is brought to you by Calm,
00:00:38 ◼ ► I have a #snowtalk question for you from Marlies, who asks, "Who is your favorite AFC Richmond
00:01:04 ◼ ► Sam is a quieter character, but I love his growth and there are some great scenes between
00:01:46 ◼ ► We're going to talk about Loki and we're going to talk about Ted Lasso, season two, episode
00:02:04 ◼ ► Apple have delayed their return to the office for their employees by at least a month due
00:02:36 ◼ ► This, I mean, could possibly, I've seen some of the people say this could possibly give
00:02:45 ◼ ► been under fire for some of the policies that they've had, but nevertheless, it's being
00:03:01 ◼ ► revisit things, but I think the truth is that if Apple's cultural approach to work is going
00:03:08 ◼ ► to change, it's probably going to change being forged in the fires of being back to work
00:03:26 ◼ ► So let's turn our attention now to Upstream where we look at some of the news in streaming
00:03:42 ◼ ► CNN will be hiring hundreds of people to create brand new programming that will exist side
00:03:50 ◼ ► They're looking at about eight hours of daily programming, effectively creating a second
00:04:02 ◼ ► Can you try and explain to people, maybe especially those who don't really, maybe not in America,
00:04:40 ◼ ► And WarnerMedia, as we've detailed here across many, many months, has gone all in on HBO
00:05:08 ◼ ► But like, if you just, if you're a cord cutter and you just pay for ESPN Plus, you don't
00:05:21 ◼ ► The reason is that CNN makes a huge amount of money from every single cable subscription
00:05:30 ◼ ► because the cable companies are paying a certain amount of money per subscriber for CNN or
00:05:46 ◼ ► This is how the money worked is you paid your cable company and then your cable company
00:05:59 ◼ ► Like they cut up your bill and they send this money to these guys and this money to these
00:06:07 ◼ ► So we can debate the intelligence or stupidity of the cable bundle, but it's kind of irrelevant
00:06:14 ◼ ► Except that if you run CNN and you say we should do a streaming service version of CNN,
00:06:24 ◼ ► And the answer is, well, we've got these contracts with cable companies that generate billion
00:06:47 ◼ ► HBO did HBO now and basically sold HBO outside of the cable bundle, but HBO was a premium.
00:07:01 ◼ ► This is on a, you know, just standard, like literally everybody who gets cable gets CNN
00:07:09 ◼ ► So it's probably true that they can't offer it on streaming or they'll lose a huge amount
00:08:13 ◼ ► And maybe it's not necessary because ESPN, for those who are not, I'm an ESPN Plus subscriber.
00:08:18 ◼ ► The brilliance of ESPN Plus is they take all of the, it's not like Sports Center 24 hours
00:08:37 ◼ ► So you can put like 40 college baseball games on simultaneously and it just doesn't matter
00:08:54 ◼ ► I'm not surprised there isn't 24 hour a day Sports Center on ESPN Plus, but CNN is going
00:09:24 ◼ ► service is going to be important to them is that they're going to start using their talent
00:09:57 ◼ ► I would not be surprised if like one of those hours goes to CNN Plus at some point or there's
00:10:05 ◼ ► another show called Beltway Blitzer that follows the situation room but is on the other network.
00:10:16 ◼ ► But if you're building a parallel CNN, I do wonder if you effectively are going to sort
00:10:40 ◼ ► It's ridiculous but this is the kind of thing that a corporation is going to do if there's
00:10:56 ◼ ► This is a it's a short way a long way of saying the short version is it's the innovators dilemma,
00:11:01 ◼ ► right, which is they've got an existing brand that throws off huge amounts of cash and it's
00:11:14 ◼ ► something new for the future and they probably should have done this as is often the case
00:11:20 ◼ ► They probably should have done this five years ago but and in fact some of their competitors
00:11:31 ◼ ► Like there are Fox News has its own pay streaming service like CNN kind of weirdly late to the
00:11:50 ◼ ► place we're currently in in terms of television that they are going to build a second CNN
00:11:59 ◼ ► CNN that's going to be the same as CNN like it's going to be the same but different because
00:12:08 ◼ ► they want to do both and they can't just do what the logical thing would be which is just
00:12:56 ◼ ► We've talked about it here but like we don't know what they're going to do but Apple is
00:12:59 ◼ ► very much interested in the idea of live sports as a possible future for their streaming service.
00:13:08 ◼ ► That live sports is one of those areas that as the cable cord cutting picks up the pace
00:13:15 ◼ ► right as that continues you're going to start to see the economics of right now sports TV
00:13:23 ◼ ► contracts are inflated because cable companies wanted to use live sports as a way to keep
00:13:45 ◼ ► We've seen the stories about Apple sort of sniffing around some different sports properties,
00:13:57 ◼ ► to fruition but it looks to me like they're building their own version of BAM Media which
00:14:09 ◼ ► That is the basis of Disney's sort of streaming infrastructure which includes and you know
00:14:16 ◼ ► It's a live streaming infrastructure as well and I think that that is clearly what Apple
00:14:34 ◼ ► an additional Apple service that's a sports streaming service that might be separate from
00:14:51 ◼ ► I mean this is what ESPN Plus is, is you're buying rights and putting them together for
00:15:00 ◼ ► Apple's got so much money that it's I think a little less like for Disney it's a fundamental
00:15:16 ◼ ► considerations are way more complex here but I just this job posting was one of those things
00:15:27 ◼ ► They don't maybe even know what those sports would be but Apple is focusing on this infrastructure
00:15:43 ◼ ► at midnight Pacific on a Thursday night Friday morning which means that as the day goes on
00:15:50 ◼ ► across the globe people watch it kind of spread over 24 hours or they get to it the next day
00:16:03 ◼ ► solid and it's just a very different set of standards for how you do streaming media to
00:16:21 ◼ ► We just don't know what they will be yet but like they're going to have to build an infrastructure
00:16:48 ◼ ► Currently right now in LA it's becoming increasingly difficult to rent space so Apple has just
00:16:58 ◼ ► It sounds like there's a state of California assigned some there like some sort of subsidy
00:17:04 ◼ ► thing too that is in part the goal is to increase the amount of studio space that's available
00:17:12 ◼ ► I did see somebody speculated that maybe Apple should buy Sony pictures just to get their
00:17:19 ◼ ► At a certain point it might become cheaper to buy an entire company than to try and find
00:17:27 ◼ ► Because the way that the Wall Street Journal reports it is that Apple ideally would like
00:17:39 ◼ ► They've also got their fitness studio which is I think in that general vicinity so like
00:18:32 ◼ ► I don't know we'll see where this goes but yeah it's Apple has not been doing this that
00:18:49 ◼ ► So my expectation is this is like a sketch that they made I don't think it's ever gonna
00:19:09 ◼ ► thought would be a great way to get attention on the internet and remind people that John
00:19:17 ◼ ► It's not like a trailer for what John Stewart's show is going to actually be like it's more
00:19:45 ◼ ► was a surprise to me like it wasn't really my style of comedy but I understand why people
00:20:00 ◼ ► was a lot of a lot of penis jokes yeah because it's about the billionaires yeah launching
00:20:24 ◼ ► reports or it's not a report like just a note somewhere else that they started shooting
00:20:29 ◼ ► it in front of an audience a couple of weeks ago so I still can't get my head around it
00:20:34 ◼ ► like how topical it will be able to be I'm not sure how I'm I'm really intrigued to see
00:20:49 ◼ ► there are a bunch of different models there's the extreme topical model which is Daily Show
00:20:55 ◼ ► and Colbert where they're on four days a week and they are writing jokes about that day
00:21:18 ◼ ► week and then there's also a deeply researched segment that is about a single topic that
00:21:28 ◼ ► do the way they've they've announced the Stewart show it's that it is a single topic show so
00:21:35 ◼ ► my guess is that it probably won't be that topical because they're I mean it'll be literally
00:21:50 ◼ ► they're gonna take their time to build these things out about issues that they think matter
00:21:58 ◼ ► Oliver show except even more so if you can imagine like even more just about the subject
00:22:05 ◼ ► and not what Oliver does which is sort of do a weekly recap at the top of the show before
00:22:10 ◼ ► they go into the topic they could do that though but even their topics see very frequently
00:22:15 ◼ ► not always but like the topics and last week tonight even the in-depth stuff is stuff that's
00:22:26 ◼ ► you produce it and release it in a very short space of time right because that's how you
00:22:30 ◼ ► get around things being old by the time that they're out and maybe you know maybe the Jon
00:22:36 ◼ ► Stewart thing like they're getting their sea legs right so they're producing some stuff
00:22:44 ◼ ► the series goes on they could do stuff that's like all right we're gonna go deep dive on
00:22:48 ◼ ► a thing that's happening right now but it's been going on for a long time or we have something
00:22:56 ◼ ► yeah there are a bunch of ways to do this where you could you could have multiple things
00:23:02 ◼ ► in process and something happens and you say let's move that up and then you put an intro
00:23:08 ◼ ► on it or that is oh this is relevant because of X but we've been working on it and here
00:23:13 ◼ ► it is yeah and that's why I'm kind of fascinated to see this also after all this time away
00:23:19 ◼ ► I'm also interested in sort of like what does Jon Stewart want it to be because Jon Stewart
00:23:22 ◼ ► kind of could write his own ticket and I think that he was burned out on the Daily Show and
00:23:27 ◼ ► so this is sort of like he's writing his own concept of like what's not going to get me
00:23:36 ◼ ► what he cares about and once a week like I think some of the things are related to cause
00:23:46 ◼ ► maybe than just like hey what happened this week let me make some jokes on it right it's
00:23:59 ◼ ► so it's a lot less work it's like it's there isn't necessarily going to be weekly either
00:24:10 ◼ ► you might get one this week and one next week and then one in a few weeks which honestly
00:24:13 ◼ ► is like last week tonight as well which seems for me almost impossible to know when there
00:24:18 ◼ ► are new episodes. Well because they take breaks which is what happens with the Daily Show
00:24:22 ◼ ► as well as they've got their various hiatuses they're not on every week they take breaks
00:24:26 ◼ ► so yeah looking forward to it what's the what's it going to be like there's so many different
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00:26:44 ◼ ► game came back again Altos Odyssey the Lost City is now available in Apple Arcade. Yes.
00:26:52 ◼ ► What is this and how does it differ from Altos Odyssey? So what so what happened is so I
00:27:00 ◼ ► love Altos Odyssey it was the sequel to Altos Adventure it is a sort of sand surfing game.
00:27:07 ◼ ► You could call it an endless runner but boy that I don't feel like that does it justice
00:27:12 ◼ ► it's it's a it's side-scrolling you basically it has a very simple mechanic you're you're
00:27:25 ◼ ► and ropes and stuff and the music is beautiful and the graphics are beautiful and it's very
00:27:30 ◼ ► calming it's very soothing there's a zen mode where you there are no points and you just
00:27:35 ◼ ► do it because it's pleasant. I like to play that mode on planes. Oh yeah I love it I it's
00:27:43 ◼ ► one of the rare games that I have completely expended like I got all the levels I did it
00:27:49 ◼ ► all it really was an obsession of mine for a little while and when I got to the end and
00:27:54 ◼ ► I got the last one I did sort of like I think my last challenge was was go for more than
00:28:00 ◼ ► a day in the game not on the real world but in the in the game you know like from sunrise
00:28:05 ◼ ► to sunset and then back around to sunrise and and it was this very long sort of I wasn't
00:28:10 ◼ ► trying to pick up any any points or do any any big moves because it wasn't about accumulating
00:28:18 ◼ ► points it was about just staying alive and being in the game and and it was so pleasant
00:28:29 ◼ ► little moment of like I did it I retired and I've revisited it a few times in zen mode but
00:28:33 ◼ ► basically I put it down it was like that was great what a wonderful experience that was
00:28:37 ◼ ► so in the interim it sounds like indie games like that have had a harder and harder time
00:28:49 ◼ ► the designer that they work with who I think is in London they approached got approached
00:29:09 ◼ ► lost city is an extension of altos odyssey but my understanding is it's also altos odyssey
00:29:15 ◼ ► so if you've never played altos odyssey you can play the whole game because I got confused
00:29:19 ◼ ► until I read your article because I launched it was like I gotta start again but you can
00:29:33 ◼ ► game before you know when you first launch it would you like me to bring over your progress
00:29:40 ◼ ► level 60 and all the all the players are unlocked and all of that and the the extension of the
00:29:50 ◼ ► have different graphics and different music and there's the sort of like the sunny sandy
00:29:59 ◼ ► jungly part and in the new mechanic is there are our 10 map fragments on the map and you
00:30:05 ◼ ► get all 10 and it unlocks this fourth biome which is the lost city different music different
00:30:09 ◼ ► graphics wasn't in the original game and then and that's that is nice enough on its own
00:30:15 ◼ ► because it adds a new texture to this already wonderful game and if it's familiar to you
00:30:20 ◼ ► now you've got this little unfamiliar bit but on top of that within the lost city there
00:30:29 ◼ ► to complete and you can only have one of them armed at a time and they're like the level
00:30:48 ◼ ► of them or all of them in one go and and with this mechanic that's laid on top you have
00:31:02 ◼ ► but it's just more altos odyssey it's delightful so for people who are who have never played
00:31:06 ◼ ► it before and our Apple Arcade subscribers they can just start at the beginning and experience
00:31:10 ◼ ► it but if you played it before and loved it you can go back to it now and there's a whole
00:31:16 ◼ ► extra set of things to explore and a new set of challenges and so it's a fun opportunity
00:31:45 ◼ ► there they didn't want to do a you know in-app purchase mechanic kind of thing that's not
00:31:55 ◼ ► know basically it's extra levels on top of the original version for people who've played
00:32:00 ◼ ► it they get the extra levels so yeah I love it and it reminded me just how I love it this
00:32:15 ◼ ► I was also treated to a new arcade game around similar time a kind of similar game in some
00:32:22 ◼ ► ways Jetpack Joyride Plus this is one of the games that was popular on iOS like years ago
00:32:30 ◼ ► and now it's been brought back to Apple Arcade like I just saw Angry Birds got this treatment
00:32:43 ◼ ► loads of games over the years and this Jetpack Joyride was a spin-off of another game series
00:32:50 ◼ ► that they were making and so yeah it's basically the old game back again and they've added
00:33:00 ◼ ► works well with the new screens I love this game and I'm so happy that it's on Apple Arcade
00:33:05 ◼ ► I really love what they're doing now I think Apple has nailed it they're bringing in new
00:33:13 ◼ ► up on Apple Arcade that I'm really interested in but they're doing I think a really good
00:33:23 ◼ ► like hey you have a good game what if we just make it a part of Apple Arcade or hey do you
00:33:27 ◼ ► want to make a new version for Apple Arcade like I think that they've kind of landed on
00:33:36 ◼ ► really excited about there's a game that's a really weird looking word based puzzle game
00:33:48 ◼ ► like I think whoever they've got picking out these old games I feel like me and this person
00:33:55 ◼ ► share a very similar taste in games because they're bringing all these ones that I really
00:34:01 ◼ ► like Jetpack Joyride was a very successful game but I don't know if a lot of people would
00:34:06 ◼ ► really think of it as like oh this is the game you should bring back so I'm really pleased
00:34:09 ◼ ► they did because I love this game and so I really these are two games if you have Apple
00:34:17 ◼ ► Jetpack Joyride Plus but they're both really great games that we recommend to you to go
00:34:23 ◼ ► Alright previews of the Playdate handheld console made by Panic have started to be published
00:34:29 ◼ ► so a few different games websites have been and tech websites have been publishing them
00:34:35 ◼ ► it seems like the Playdate is going to be just as fun as we thought it would be it just
00:34:39 ◼ ► like really weird and quirky and awesome I'm so freaking excited for this thing pre-orders
00:34:55 ◼ ► product but it also just warms my heart because like we know the people that make this thing
00:35:01 ◼ ► and everyone's freaking out about it and it's getting really great reviews online like from
00:35:04 ◼ ► all these tech publications and gaming publications like I'm just really pleased for them that
00:35:09 ◼ ► it seems to actually be working you know like you never really know how this stuff's going
00:35:13 ◼ ► to go and I'm just super jazzed about it and I can't I just cannot wait I'm super excited
00:35:21 ◼ ► Yeah I'm looking forward to it it it's fun I mean what I like about it too is it's it's
00:35:26 ◼ ► just aggressively not trying to be what all other game hardware is trying to be it's trying
00:35:34 ◼ ► to be something different they and the fact that not only does it come with a season of
00:35:39 ◼ ► games for the price of it so you get a bunch of games that come once a week but they also
00:35:45 ◼ ► have a developer kit and they've seeded that a long time ago and so you can sideload games
00:35:50 ◼ ► and people are making games for it it's never gonna a lot of the criticism I see on the
00:35:56 ◼ ► internet is from people who just don't get it right they're like well this is never going
00:35:58 ◼ ► to succeed in a world where there's the Nintendo switch or there's the Steam Deck or whatever
00:36:08 ◼ ► they're not trying to sell a billion of them like that's not that's not the goal here like
00:36:13 ◼ ► it's meant to be really different and that's the whole premise is it's not like what you
00:36:19 ◼ ► would make if you were a big game company right it's it's not it is if you want to call
00:36:26 ◼ ► it like a hipster handheld game console sure do that but like it's it's trying to appeal
00:36:34 ◼ ► the games are great the yeah I'll pre-order one although although panic what about your
00:36:42 ◼ ► palace of upgrade I look at look I'm preview little upgrade played I just want to put this
00:36:59 ◼ ► know this is what we do around here all the time yeah we are gamers so yeah where's where's
00:37:04 ◼ ► the exclusive upgrade I'll buy I'm gonna buy one yeah I'm gonna buy it but also like if
00:37:09 ◼ ► you want to like just slip it a little early to us over here at the upgrade program it's
00:37:14 ◼ ► like whoops I draw I was over visiting upgrade and I dropped one oh I don't know where to
00:37:24 ◼ ► Netflix again into gaming and Netflix is rise up who is more of a gamer than Netflix has
00:37:31 ◼ ► announced that they are planning to add mobile games to the service at a time when growth
00:37:42 ◼ ► is a COVID related thing but nevertheless this is not something that they want the expectation
00:37:46 ◼ ► is that these games will live inside of the current Netflix app based on IP that Netflix
00:38:01 ◼ ► shows they have actually been producers of some video games based on stuff like Stranger
00:38:11 ◼ ► make my big thing that I want to talk about here is Apple aren't gonna like this are they
00:38:18 ◼ ► no not unless they they on Apple's platforms they put them out as apps or you just have
00:38:33 ◼ ► to navigate kind of the roblox kind of thing which is that like it's all comes with a subscription
00:39:02 ◼ ► use the in-app purchase program so they use Apple's in-app purchase right now right which
00:39:12 ◼ ► in-app purchase this wouldn't be an issue right they would let it through and it wouldn't
00:39:17 ◼ ► be maybe not maybe not right because you could say these are features of the app our app
00:39:27 ◼ ► I just also back up and say I'm also skeptical of this as a strategy yeah I read a fun funny
00:39:34 ◼ ► article about this that basically said Netflix has decided that Quibi was right after all
00:39:50 ◼ ► entertainment and they're not spending it with Netflix because it's more of a long-form
00:39:53 ◼ ► experience and the article was kind of like ah Netflix is very savvy and they're they're
00:40:00 ◼ ► doing this thing that Quibi you know obviously failed on but now Netflix has got a lot of
00:40:05 ◼ ► cred so so watch out and I read this and say Netflix is being Quibi here like in all the
00:40:13 ◼ ► ways that Quibi signifies because this strikes me as being a company that is good at a thing
00:40:28 ◼ ► Plus you could argue is like that but Apple Apple is different in that they are they are
00:40:34 ◼ ► playing in so many different ways and they're a platform owner and they have hardware and
00:40:37 ◼ ► all that but like Netflix I'm not saying Netflix couldn't do this I'm just saying I don't think
00:40:49 ◼ ► and it's much more like Netflix just wants to throw a bunch of stuff in its app to keep
00:40:54 ◼ ► people from going to other apps because it's deluded into thinking that that's what it's
00:40:58 ◼ ► going to do and I just I think it's delusional because people who are wanting a mobile experience
00:41:04 ◼ ► and want to play a game or something like that then they're not gonna oh I want to play
00:41:08 ◼ ► this game that comes with my Netflix subscription I just I'm really skeptical that this is something
00:41:17 ◼ ► I'm wrong you know it always could it could be that they figured it out and they're going
00:41:20 ◼ ► to do it this way and it's going to be great but I look at and I think you know the Netflix
00:41:25 ◼ ► is is trying to be something it's not because it is true Netflix is competing with everything
00:41:38 ◼ ► up with its own solution to this that solves that problem I think you know Netflix might
00:41:51 ◼ ► app that Netflix customers get for free but is something else and marketed as something
00:42:05 ◼ ► it's it's yeah I'm not I'm open to the possibility it'll work but it this feels like overreach
00:42:10 ◼ ► from a company that has found a weakness that is fundamental to their business model and
00:42:17 ◼ ► have decided to rub some money on it in hopes that the weakness will go away and that's
00:42:26 ◼ ► news has come out the way that either they want or it should have I feel like there was
00:42:44 ◼ ► because it makes it seem like the strategy exists purely because they need to make money
00:42:49 ◼ ► in other places or keep people around it feels desperate to me and and unnecessary I think
00:42:57 ◼ ► I think maybe the thing that troubles me the most about it is that if it there's a whiff
00:43:11 ◼ ► it is Netflix is huge it's dominant it might not end up as number one but like it's a brand
00:43:19 ◼ ► new relatively speaking company that I think at worst is going to be number two or three
00:43:31 ◼ ► are going to be Disney and maybe Amazon right which is a behemoth of another kind right
00:43:38 ◼ ► like Netflix and right now Netflix is number one bigger than all legacy entertainment companies
00:43:52 ◼ ► TV as anything but Netflix all its competition is just trying to be Netflix like Netflix
00:43:58 ◼ ► is number one not just in size but in terms of like the mind share in the in the audience
00:44:13 ◼ ► conquer but I feel like it goes against what they should be concerned about maintaining
00:44:20 ◼ ► their dominance rather than than doing something like this a dalliance over here in the game
00:44:31 ◼ ► watching opening the Netflix app when they're standing in line at the at the supermarket
00:44:42 ◼ ► Netflix she also loves other streaming services and like she is on her phone all the time
00:44:48 ◼ ► and she's not watching TV shows on her phone right like she doesn't do that it's okay she's
00:44:58 ◼ ► like they got her and I really believe that Netflix is like that I think Netflix has done
00:45:04 ◼ ► this amazing thing and they are who they are and to obsess about like well but no we haven't
00:45:11 ◼ ► covered every other portion of your audience not only is it weird and creepy and kind of
00:45:23 ◼ ► in a company that is going to be the thing that monopolizes people's brains when they're
00:45:29 ◼ ► in line at the grocery store or waiting for their doctor or whatever like okay but like
00:45:39 ◼ ► not sure what they're gonna do with this it really is very very peculiar to me I'll I'll
00:45:45 ◼ ► predict something which is that they're gonna half-heartedly do this for a little while
00:46:04 ◼ ► engine it is believed that because of this feature the display could actually be a high-end
00:46:10 ◼ ► model possibly to replace the XDR and it's expected this chip could help deliver higher
00:46:15 ◼ ► resolution graphics or add in features like AirPlay so they got that piece of information
00:46:26 ◼ ► same route so if I was given this piece of information which is that Apple is currently
00:46:34 ◼ ► neural engine I don't think that this means it's going to replace the XDR no I think that
00:46:40 ◼ ► this is just Apple's monitor and I expect it isn't anything to do with graphics or AirPlay
00:46:51 ◼ ► of things that none of which means that it has to be the high-end pro display XDR replace
00:46:58 ◼ ► if you were going to put a chip in like if you're gonna put a chip inside it means it's
00:47:02 ◼ ► expensive the A13 is not that chip right that's an old chip for Apple now which I'm sure they
00:47:08 ◼ ► can make very cheaply and it's their own chip and all that so so here are the reasons AirPlay
00:47:18 ◼ ► and can do AirPlay like built-in and it's an AirPlay display too like that's cool that's
00:47:28 ◼ ► you make a really good point which is if you've got something like that you could use secure
00:47:38 ◼ ► data to pass on to whatever device is connected to it the first one that popped to my mind
00:47:52 ◼ ► processor that is that is Apple does talks about this all the time now like the new iMac
00:48:01 ◼ ► because of the processor that is doing lots of smart things to that so I throw that and
00:48:15 ◼ ► so you've got a really good webcam that does center stage that maybe does face ID that's
00:48:29 ◼ ► camera tech is I actually wonder if you put Wi-Fi and and and a camera in there I wonder
00:48:35 ◼ ► if you could do FaceTime without actually connecting a device to it be interesting right
00:48:41 ◼ ► it's also just a FaceTime receiver but whatever I like I don't I don't think we necessarily
00:48:47 ◼ ► need need to leap to the idea that this replaces the pro display XDR it made it may just be
00:48:55 ◼ ► but their new more affordable display for everyone else yeah I mean like look they could
00:49:07 ◼ ► would make sense that to me that Apple would put a chip like this in any display that they
00:49:10 ◼ ► made if they were making a display like why would you not you know if they put their chips
00:49:15 ◼ ► inside of everything now like this is this is what they do like you know it's also it's
00:49:21 ◼ ► also possible that what Apple is planning for its displays is to do two monitors a replacement
00:49:25 ◼ ► for the pro display XDR and a smaller cheaper monitor that are both doing the same thing
00:49:32 ◼ ► if you consider like the micro LED stuff it's not unreasonable that Apple would replace
00:49:37 ◼ ► the pro display XDR with a large monitor that that is using micro LED instead and that might
00:49:44 ◼ ► allow them to get the price down or even keep the price the same but have it be higher quality
00:49:59 ◼ ► true 9to5 Mac may have information here that we that that what looks like a leap and an
00:50:04 ◼ ► assumption is actually based on on fact but I a 13 inside doesn't seem like a disqualifier
00:50:19 ◼ ► like this idea I mean I don't know how thread works exactly but like you know this idea
00:50:30 ◼ ► strategy yeah be pretty cool that's an Apple TV that's the Apple television oh the team
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00:52:50 ◼ ► Dan asks do either of you use the back tap feature in accessibility and if so what actions
00:52:57 ◼ ► are triggered I will remind you in case you've forgotten about this I think this is an iOS
00:53:01 ◼ ► 13 feature I believe where you can double tap just with your finger on the back of your
00:53:06 ◼ ► phone and it can launch an action and people are really excited about this initially and
00:53:11 ◼ ► we're having to do all kinds of wild things do you use this I don't no neither do I remember
00:53:21 ◼ ► a little bit more but I don't use it if there's not at all my most frequently used device
00:53:43 ◼ ► that's the thing and this is my thing I turned it on and I had a shortcut set to it I think
00:53:47 ◼ ► it was like set a timer or whatever and every time every now and then I just look at my
00:53:56 ◼ ► what it's supposed to do which is help people for accessibility right but for me it's just
00:54:01 ◼ ► kind of like something that I want it wasn't really what do you do you look at it and go
00:54:05 ◼ ► well at least I know how long ago I I tapped the back of the phone hooray what was I doing
00:54:11 ◼ ► four minutes and 23 seconds ago huh turns out just tapping the phone tap mark asks considering
00:54:18 ◼ ► the recent news reports about the Pegasus spyware what are the odds that Apple may consider
00:54:22 ◼ ► making the iPhone one big secure enclave I'm sorry this is this is this is the question
00:54:29 ◼ ► it's like if the black box survives the plane crash why don't you make the entire plane
00:54:33 ◼ ► out of the material beautiful is in the black box which is like it doesn't work like that
00:54:41 ◼ ► on this in other places I don't really want to go into it in depth because it's just too
00:54:49 ◼ ► on unless I feel like I kind of have to with the show right because it's just like so big
00:54:53 ◼ ► but this is those reports about there being journalists and many people around the world
00:55:07 ◼ ► and this company's apparently legit and it's for law enforcement and blah blah blah you
00:55:13 ◼ ► surely you've heard about it now if you haven't just Google Pegasus and you find it but what
00:55:18 ◼ ► I wanted to mention was just this one thing where people say like you know like what what
00:55:23 ◼ ► how does this happen like Apple say that they're so secure why can't they lock it down I my
00:55:32 ◼ ► just to completely stop these types of exploits my thing is if people make the code people
00:55:39 ◼ ► can break the code like it might be an oversimplified way of looking at this I think the the challenge
00:55:46 ◼ ► with all these sophisticated systems is that you have people whose entire livelihood is
00:56:01 ◼ ► who are trying to also find flaws and fix them the problem is that the universe of possible
00:56:06 ◼ ► flaws is so large that you end up with people finding flaws externally that don't exist
00:56:16 ◼ ► than it used to be at basically offering bounties for bugs and the idea there is if if shady
00:56:28 ◼ ► better about yourself and they want to kind of create a culture in in security research
00:56:33 ◼ ► where if you find a security flaw you can make your living finding security flaws without
00:56:52 ◼ ► oppressive government will pay a lot of money to a security firm to hack the journalist
00:57:04 ◼ ► of the oppressive government and and so there will always be a market for this kind of thing
00:57:18 ◼ ► about iMessage and and text messages which is one of the challenges I was actually brought
00:57:29 ◼ ► apps on the iPhone because we don't want them to take down the AT&T's network right but
00:57:35 ◼ ► like there's something about that that like iPhones don't exist in isolation they exist
00:57:40 ◼ ► as part of other systems and some of these exploits are all about the other systems it's
00:57:44 ◼ ► about a text message that comes in or or an iMessage but some of them it's a text message
00:57:49 ◼ ► so it's data that's being handed off by the carrier to the phone and then it's doing something
00:57:54 ◼ ► now this was like what five years ago my understanding is that Apple has big surprise spent some
00:58:01 ◼ ► portion of the last five years trying very hard to wall off iMessage and messages because
00:58:11 ◼ ► of this right so my guess is that surreptitious messages are probably a lot less of a vector
00:58:19 ◼ ► for this stuff than they were five years ago in fact I don't know if they closed the door
00:58:26 ◼ ► of thing where it's like this war is has been fought I think it may still be being fought
00:58:31 ◼ ► the problem is you're always firing you're always fighting the last war and they're like
00:58:43 ◼ ► don't yet know about and then when they find that one they will have moved on to another
00:58:50 ◼ ► is iOS 14 has a technology that Apple developed for iMessage called blast door which is supposed
00:58:56 ◼ ► to do this it's like sandbox within a sandbox ultimately and it still works that's just
00:59:01 ◼ ► cat and mouse right yeah like oh we fix this thing we know about it and like well haha we
00:59:15 ◼ ► render out the text as an image and then hand it I mean there's all these things you could
00:59:19 ◼ ► do but the thing is there's always another exploit and I'll tell you if you if you read
00:59:32 ◼ ► a huge problem for our our planet is we have a lot of insecure systems and it's very hard
00:59:52 ◼ ► hundred percent confidence in your device and your devices on a network like don't have
01:00:03 ◼ ► people it's not the case most people are not a target and most people are not are do not
01:00:10 ◼ ► have things of this level right those things are generally both true however if I was a
01:00:26 ◼ ► assumptions about my security and keep a lot of data offline and switch devices all the
01:01:11 ◼ ► most you know I don't believe that there is malpractice going on in terms of the operating
01:01:17 ◼ ► system developers I think they do legitimately see this as a huge threat to their business
01:01:21 ◼ ► and they want to fix this stuff I'd say Apple has seemingly been slower at this than maybe
01:01:26 ◼ ► they should have been but that they do seem much more on it than they used to be and engaging
01:01:31 ◼ ► with the security community but this is going to still continue to be a problem because
01:01:36 ◼ ► there is this imbalance of need like if Apple would always pay better for this information
01:01:47 ◼ ► than others it would be less of an issue but even then you would still have state-sponsored
01:01:53 ◼ ► organizations that would pay people to find exploits like that would still happen so it's
01:02:01 ◼ ► a it's the good news is that when this stuff comes out it gets passed to those OS vendors
01:02:12 ◼ ► if I were in an authoritarian regime and trying to escape and knew that they were they were
01:02:17 ◼ ► following me and analyzing me I would my behavior on my devices would be very different true
01:02:30 ◼ ► Here's a hack the MagSafe battery pack certainly isn't the best solution for everyone but it
01:02:35 ◼ ► does seem to make sense to me as a replacement for a MagSafe charger you could leave it plugged
01:02:40 ◼ ► in most of the time but take it with you if you know you'll need more juice on a particular
01:02:44 ◼ ► day it has the same charging speed as a normal MagSafe puck when plugged in does that framing
01:02:49 ◼ ► change your opinion of the product there is absolutely no way that I would want to leave
01:03:16 ◼ ► Yes well that's okay although it's it's still a little less clean because you've got to
01:03:20 ◼ ► detach it every time and to your point I know that there would be it would be kind of uneasy
01:03:25 ◼ ► I'm sure it's got firmware in it to not charge you know when it's full and stuff like that
01:03:35 ◼ ► a justification for buying one this is an extra justification I'm not I'm still not interested
01:03:44 ◼ ► but I wish I would have known because this is like another reason that I think this product
01:03:59 ◼ ► battery are pretty much all in on MagSafe you now need to bring a lightning cable back into
01:04:10 ◼ ► That is so wild because I feel so it's like poor Jeremy Burge friend of the show creator
01:04:14 ◼ ► of emoji who just celebrated his birthday which is the national it's national and worldwide
01:04:23 ◼ ► emoji day which is when everybody celebrates the birthday of the creator of Jeremy Burge
01:04:28 ◼ ► yep and he lives on a boat and that's actually true this is completely true and have like
01:04:36 ◼ ► a mood to MagSafe because it's just really great for him but now has to bring like another
01:04:56 ◼ ► if it fits your life then that's great it does not fit mine and Stuart asks given their
01:05:01 ◼ ► content model do you think that YouTube premium is overpriced where I live it's twice the
01:05:06 ◼ ► cost of Disney Plus and almost twice the cost of the basic Netflix subscription go for Myke
01:05:12 ◼ ► I don't think so because I feel like I'm paying creators as well as YouTube right so I know
01:05:18 ◼ ► the YouTube's taking some money but I'm paying a lot of creators for me personally I watch
01:05:28 ◼ ► any specific service that I use like I would say I watch as much YouTube as Netflix and
01:05:50 ◼ ► my educational youtubers that I watch and these are my kind of more entertainment youtubers
01:05:55 ◼ ► that I watch and I would pay five dollars a month for each of those buckets so it doesn't
01:06:01 ◼ ► bother me that it's all in one thing so yeah if if YouTube premium remove the ads and only
01:06:08 ◼ ► YouTube got the money I would consider it overpriced but because creators get the money
01:06:12 ◼ ► too totally works for me and I don't use enough YouTube for it to make sense to me right I
01:06:22 ◼ ► which is this is actually a pretty great service if you are watching a lot of YouTube because
01:06:32 ◼ ► they are getting that money and it means you're sitting through a bunch of annoying ads that
01:06:35 ◼ ► you can make disappear and so that's really nice too and if you're watching it more than
01:06:41 ◼ ► Disney Plus it should cost more than Disney Plus and and and the truth is I think I think
01:06:53 ◼ ► YouTube videos a week so it doesn't make sense to me I just tap skip on the ads and it's
01:06:58 ◼ ► fine but but if I used it all the time I would absolutely prioritize it over some of the
01:07:04 ◼ ► other services for sure makes sense to me but like in the end what I like about YouTube
01:07:09 ◼ ► premium is that most of YouTube premium is not like walling content right it's just giving
01:07:21 ◼ ► the premium content that they create see yeah yeah so I think it's the wrong way and they've
01:07:32 ◼ ► a very different beast as well also like to back up a second it really is about who you
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01:07:47 ◼ ► can support that I have six colors memberships and people can support us that way and you
01:07:58 ◼ ► got messages from people who are like why are you charging me why do you want to charge
01:08:14 ◼ ► was more akin to saying I why why PBS station why are you selling me a tote bag for $100
01:08:22 ◼ ► I can get a tote bag for $10 and the answer is you're not buying for the tote bag you're
01:08:35 ◼ ► is but I I like to approach all of this stuff this way which is is this something that has
01:08:44 ◼ ► money and I feel good about paying money for things that I value and that is not the same
01:08:51 ◼ ► kind of calculation and it goes for your favorite podcasts or or or patreons or anything that
01:09:02 ◼ ► is not necessarily just it's not dollars dollars yeah and it's not embedded in like the shows
01:09:08 ◼ ► like if you don't watch as many things on YouTube as you do on Disney Plus it shouldn't
01:09:11 ◼ ► cost you shouldn't pay for it like it doesn't make sense then but but it it you wrap a whole
01:09:17 ◼ ► bunch of different kinds of value in and every every service is kind of different in that
01:09:28 ◼ ► of times like oh it cost me as much as Netflix to get upgrade plus it's like okay that's
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01:09:43 ◼ ► with this show and some of our other shows too at least this is how I do the shows that
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01:10:18 ◼ ► you also get that feeling of supporting some of your favorite creators if that's your back
01:10:21 ◼ ► you know so as well as all the other benefits discord and that kind of stuff get go to get
01:10:27 ◼ ► upgrade plus.com and you can support the show but yeah it is a mixture and you know I was
01:10:33 ◼ ► just listening to I mean I pay for shiitakere and I was just listening to shiitakere daily
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01:13:40 ◼ ► Oh it's really good it's the best one of those so far I would just note on it's not really
01:13:46 ◼ ► And we should say if you if you have watched Ted Lasso but haven't watched Loki you should
01:14:03 ◼ ► I mean it is if you go by no because his name is what is his name Loki Farfasen I can't
01:14:18 ◼ ► and it feels like it has more of a story that they're telling with it feels like maybe they've
01:14:35 ◼ ► I found it especially interesting that they have used Loki as the jumping off point for
01:14:43 ◼ ► the next phase of all of Marvel like the movies and the TV shows right like the multiverse
01:14:51 ◼ ► and Kang and all that kind of stuff is all here and I found that really interesting like
01:15:04 ◼ ► I thought it was really kind of like and they taught again so you know you see I touch on
01:15:11 ◼ ► this in the behind the scenes saying it seems like such a mark of how they think of Tom
01:15:17 ◼ ► Hiddleston you know that they were willing to give him and his character like the beginning
01:15:29 ◼ ► but like really like a sign of maybe respect for the work that he's done he's been in it
01:15:34 ◼ ► for so long he's been in this you know right one of the OG yeah so but overall the show
01:15:56 ◼ ► Yeah I agree this was my favorite Marvel series of these and I liked WandaVision a lot but
01:16:06 ◼ ► like I think this this one hit it out of the park I love the cast I love the tone of it
01:16:27 ◼ ► kind of old tech retro tech kind of thing there yeah they're an omnipotent time-traveling
01:16:33 ◼ ► organization with all this old tech so beautifully done and then they go there's an episode where
01:16:37 ◼ ► they're outside on a planet and like the purple planet and it is gorgeous I just I love I
01:16:44 ◼ ► love everything about it now I will also say as somebody who is a has been a Doctor Who
01:16:49 ◼ ► fan for a very long time this show kind of feels like Doctor Who on a on a budget a little
01:16:55 ◼ ► bit and I mean that in the best way possible like I just I loved it so Tom Hilsen is great
01:17:16 ◼ ► They picked the right they picked the right use for him the right way he does it and then
01:17:24 ◼ ► Sofia DeMartino who is Sylvie is fantastic too really kind of a revelation in that part
01:17:36 ◼ ► and you know Loki I love that the idea here is how do you do a show about a villain and
01:17:41 ◼ ► they could have made it like an antihero show you know The Sopranos that kind of thing and
01:17:48 ◼ ► that's not what they do instead they try to understand why he does what he does and also
01:17:52 ◼ ► have him kind of learn and the way they do it with kind of exploring alternate versions
01:18:29 ◼ ► And the fact that one of the plot points here is basically they end up going to a lot of
01:18:33 ◼ ► apocalypses it lets the show be so atmospheric because like everywhere they go like even
01:18:40 ◼ ► when they go to they go to a superstore they go to a big box store in one episode and you're
01:18:44 ◼ ► thinking well how could there be a more boring place than a big box store but it's the big
01:18:57 ◼ ► and everybody there is on edge because the weather is increasingly bad outside and it's
01:19:02 ◼ ► super claustrophobic and like that everywhere you go in this show you get that kind of thing
01:19:09 ◼ ► whether it's a fantastical apocalypse or there's literally sort of a post at the end of time
01:19:28 ◼ ► So when we Masaku as Hunter B-15 a Gugu Muhabatha Ra who was in Doctor Who actually as Ravana
01:20:00 ◼ ► One of the funny things about this and sort of the head fake about this show is that it
01:20:21 ◼ ► you ripping us off and you're going to make us watch a bunch of future Marvel movies in
01:20:33 ◼ ► Well I think that a lot of the cliffhanger will be resolved in season two of Loki actually.
01:20:39 ◼ ► I think that it has some references to the movies and kicks off the movies but I do think
01:20:50 ◼ ► where did where did Ravonna Renslayer go and like all of those things are up in the air.
01:20:55 ◼ ► I imagine we'll see all of those stories but I could imagine any or all of these people
01:21:15 ◼ ► is structured like a TV show about the people at the TVA and where is Ravonna going at the
01:21:21 ◼ ► end of the show and how is the creation of a multiverse and different timelines changing
01:21:29 ◼ ► everything and I think that you know we're not some of this may pop up in Marvel movies
01:21:36 ◼ ► but I feel like there's a through line here that fits. I didn't feel like when they said
01:21:41 ◼ ► there's a season two I didn't feel like I got kind of sold an empty box where it's like
01:21:49 ◼ ► in a bunch of different Marvel movies in the Doctor Strange movie or the Ant-Man movie.
01:21:52 ◼ ► It's not like no like a second season is going to explain what's going on with these characters
01:21:57 ◼ ► and it's like that's great that's that's actually what I want plus I loved it so I do want I
01:22:01 ◼ ► do want a second season of it. Same. Jonathan Majors oh my god. Yeah wow good one episode
01:22:09 ◼ ► performance so I think technically and he's great in Lovecraft Country too if you haven't
01:22:19 ◼ ► nominations and got cancelled. Yeah I think we spoke about that last time right because
01:22:29 ◼ ► going to get nominated and so they got that cancellation out in advance just to like make
01:22:39 ◼ ► ask I think to have a character who has not appeared in any of the other episodes be the
01:22:49 ◼ ► they said that the the the time keepers are kind of modeled on his face and they did that
01:22:55 ◼ ► because they wanted to be like like the Wizard of Oz and then the man behind the curtain
01:23:00 ◼ ► they really wanted that to be the effect and I think what's interesting about this is everybody
01:23:09 ◼ ► phase of Marvel movies. What I think is interesting is I'm not sure I believe that this is that
01:23:28 ◼ ► Ant-Man and say here's this guy but they they had like what if we went back a step and had
01:23:36 ◼ ► like page zero of that guy's story and showed him as the the the man behind the curtain
01:23:49 ◼ ► acting the hell out of it and I think he did a great job. I was blown away I was absolutely
01:23:54 ◼ ► blown away about performance so again again this is stuff from the behind the scenes thing
01:24:04 ◼ ► like at the end of the whole shooting which is kind of incredible the character he plays
01:24:19 ◼ ► persona the way he's acting that's not going to be how Kang acts right right which is also
01:24:30 ◼ ► multiverse isn't playing completely different types of people which is fascinating to me.
01:24:35 ◼ ► One of the things that I like about the way this show is structured is it's a time travel
01:24:38 ◼ ► show and the idea is if you control time travel and this has been used even in Doctor Who
01:24:43 ◼ ► it's been used in other formats but I like this idea that if you could control time travel
01:25:07 ◼ ► have a one true timeline is that there's somebody out there who really likes how time ended
01:25:11 ◼ ► up and doesn't want there to be any alternatives to the one where they win and so the he who
01:25:32 ◼ ► of the universe you it's rich coming from you saying we don't deserve free will because
01:25:38 ◼ ► you won at the end but and that's what silvie basically does right she's like no free will
01:25:44 ◼ ► I'm gonna kill you and his response is like well see you later because he knows that about
01:25:50 ◼ ► all those other options so in some ways it's like we're seeing his story in reverse that
01:26:01 ◼ ► to see what happens when that true path is kind of cut off I I'm not sure it makes sense
01:26:06 ◼ ► because it's time travel and time travel never makes sense but like dramatically I I really
01:26:10 ◼ ► like that idea that you what we're meeting is we're meeting kind of the most benign kind
01:26:18 ◼ ► from being free will in the universe and and it's it's an almost biblical kind of thing
01:26:24 ◼ ► right because what silvie really does here is is it's the I want I want freedom and and
01:26:30 ◼ ► you will be cast out of whatever you know it's his Eden but like cast out of this orderly
01:26:46 ◼ ► good stuff looking forward to his next appearance and they did set like in the documentary like
01:26:53 ◼ ► he's the next big villain and will be for a long time like they just said like you know
01:27:00 ◼ ► fan of this next phase of it I was blown away by that episode it was it was my favorite
01:27:23 ◼ ► Winter Soldier and even also with WandaVision like Marvel feel like they have to have these
01:27:41 ◼ ► but I I kind of appreciate the idea I kind of admire the idea that that these are these
01:27:46 ◼ ► two characters having a conversation yeah and fighting they tried but like I just didn't
01:27:51 ◼ ► buy that they would be yeah it didn't seem like the like that moment I want to do a shout
01:27:56 ◼ ► out to Richard E. Grant great Oscar-nominated actor as old Loki wearing the comic book outfit
01:28:04 ◼ ► of Loki that episode which is set in this sort of weird afterlife that is actually real
01:28:10 ◼ ► where there's a kid Loki and an old Loki and an alligator Loki and there's frog Thor is
01:28:14 ◼ ► visible at one point full of all these references that's a great and there's President Loki
01:28:23 ◼ ► and he he had he had the story arc sort of of all those Loki's wrapped up into his story
01:28:29 ◼ ► which was pretty nice and I mentioned earlier but Natalie Holt who is the the composer and
01:28:38 ◼ ► she has appeared and participated in a bunch of scores but like I feel like this is one
01:28:52 ◼ ► movie she's amazing the score of Loki is beautiful the first three episode score I think is on
01:28:59 ◼ ► Apple Music right now I don't know if the the next three are out yet or if they're coming
01:29:10 ◼ ► an interesting character herself she's a violinist she once through through stuff at Simon Cowell
01:29:17 ◼ ► on stage oh my god yes I know yes I saw this yeah she she she protested Britain's Got Talent
01:29:24 ◼ ► or X Factor or something yeah she was playing she was playing for one of the contestants
01:29:35 ◼ ► quote dreadful influence on the music business which was amazing so on an episode of Britain's
01:29:40 ◼ ► Got Talent in 2013 anyway she's brilliant and the score is fantastic and like I enjoyed
01:29:47 ◼ ► the story of Loki and I enjoyed the performances but if you had given me just the way it looks
01:29:52 ◼ ► the direction the cinematography the production design and the way it sounds with the music
01:29:57 ◼ ► that enough would be one of my favorite shows of the last five years like that that alone
01:30:08 ◼ ► it up these I think we've ended the preliminary live-action Marvel like the launch shows so
01:30:18 ◼ ► they are gonna do what if which is an animated show that's coming out next but then they
01:30:22 ◼ ► will have starting this fall and winter will be kind of like the next wave of these shows
01:30:27 ◼ ► and we'll see how those go but like it's been interesting to watch these three and sort
01:30:32 ◼ ► of see what works and what doesn't work about all of them but the Loki show is the that's
01:30:41 ◼ ► I think so the main thing that I like about what they've been doing and I think they're
01:30:50 ◼ ► like that they get really weird with these that and they're not scared to write no they
01:31:27 ◼ ► willing to do a heist movie right or a murder mystery or whatever is like they can make
01:31:44 ◼ ► you as creators like freedom to do different kinds of stories and if I have I have many
01:31:49 ◼ ► criticisms of Falcon Winter Soldier because I think it was kind of a flop and I understand
01:31:52 ◼ ► that in many ways it's because of the production and changes that happened with COVID but I
01:31:58 ◼ ► think my biggest criticism of it is it just feels like a generic Marvel movie and I think
01:32:09 ◼ ► it felt like they were they it was the first one they put in production and they were playing
01:32:12 ◼ ► it safe and they're like let's literally just make a long Marvel movie and chop it into
01:32:15 ◼ ► episodes and what WandaVision and Loki teach us is don't do that make it weird you know
01:32:24 ◼ ► and it can be differently weird make it the right kind of weird for the characters that
01:32:28 ◼ ► you're you're doing so like Moon Knight is with Oscar Isaac is in production and that's
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01:33:00 ◼ ► they they keep doing it because it allows them to take what they've done with the movies
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01:35:27 ◼ ► death for football is also death again spoilers for Ted Lasso now what an opening I was very
01:35:39 ◼ ► surprised about the opening I don't know if it's something that like okay I'm not an animal
01:35:45 ◼ ► person right I don't know if it's something that like if you have a dog you would be upset
01:36:02 ◼ ► this is based on so we're talking about season two episode one of Ted Lasso here it's clearly
01:36:15 ◼ ► seven foot tall throws 100 miles an hour fastballs Randy Johnson and during spring training one
01:36:21 ◼ ► year he threw a pitch during a game and a bird flew between him and the batter and there's
01:36:28 ◼ ► video on the internet you can find it and he basically exploded the bird with the baseball
01:36:43 ◼ ► I mean I think they tried to play it the way it is because I you know anybody who's talking
01:36:48 ◼ ► who's taking care of a hound is gonna like not do it the way that this guy does but they
01:36:57 ◼ ► his lead and then rushes out onto the pitch after the pigeon I had a moment when the dog
01:37:11 ◼ ► in a moment and the idea is just to get the dog to leave during the penalty shot to give
01:37:15 ◼ ► Danny Rojas a thing that he has to overcome which is that he's killed their mascot their
01:37:32 ◼ ► the team has a mascot and it's a greyhound which makes sense for the club right because
01:37:37 ◼ ► like that's their logo I also noticed something which hadn't been there before the commentator
01:37:47 ◼ ► like you might have like the Hammers for West Ham you know like the Gooners for Arsenal
01:37:53 ◼ ► right yeah AFC Wimbledon are the good boys which is so great like that is a great nickname
01:38:04 ◼ ► they're boy dogs you know like that's it works for me I thought it was very funny this episode
01:38:10 ◼ ► was so good I was so happy to be back in this world again and like just didn't miss a beat
01:38:17 ◼ ► I loved it I loved that it tricked me right so you know obviously one of the things that
01:38:23 ◼ ► they're setting up to overcome right they've got the psychologist the sports psychologist
01:38:27 ◼ ► yeah they say AFC Wimbledon that's the actual yeah you did AFC Richmond is obviously what
01:38:36 ◼ ► people from Wimbledon are good boys they are good boys in Wimbledon no I mean AFC Richmond
01:38:41 ◼ ► good boys yes I apologize you know like they the sports psychologist right and Ted having
01:38:55 ◼ ► the sitcom setup way to go and they go a different way and so with the sports psychologist coming
01:38:59 ◼ ► in who is not really having it with Ted Lasso what you expect is to be like she's his nemesis
01:39:11 ◼ ► at her job and successful with what she does and Ted kind of has to be like oh okay like
01:39:18 ◼ ► my stuff doesn't work on her and like reflect about what that means about himself like it's
01:39:37 ◼ ► gonna fall for them and then he has to learn to trust psychologists but like that doesn't
01:39:48 ◼ ► relationship definitely feels more like what you're saying right well like he has to also
01:39:53 ◼ ► like doubt if like you know like he in his mind he is the person who makes the the team
01:40:02 ◼ ► feel better that's his whole thing right picks the team up and he couldn't do that for Danny
01:40:20 ◼ ► was like a really interesting way that they're gonna go with this also speak Spanish and
01:40:35 ◼ ► person she is very impressive dr. field stone thank you okay yeah oh yes dr. field stone
01:40:40 ◼ ► of course what a name yeah I it's it's funny the way they they set up Danny Rojas thing
01:41:02 ◼ ► him how would he even have a crisis of confidence right and the answer is they engineer this
01:41:07 ◼ ► opening episode crisis of confidence for Danny to bring in the sports psychologist and to
01:41:24 ◼ ► to sort of where he is at the end and it's very impressive and like it's a that's a funny
01:41:40 ◼ ► this over and over again like I can't believe that someone was allowed to make this show
01:41:44 ◼ ► well like they're in the pub so Ted and coach beard and he talks so openly about his experiences
01:41:54 ◼ ► in couples therapy and how he just feels like he was set up and like that is a thing where
01:42:02 ◼ ► you know I think so many people have been through that kind of thing with like a distrust
01:42:11 ◼ ► or I don't think this person's gonna actually try and help me you know I've been in these
01:42:23 ◼ ► this 35-38 minute comedy can hit these notes so truthfully like these it just slices through
01:42:33 ◼ ► and finds these just incredible human moments I just I it blows me away how good it is really
01:42:42 ◼ ► does yeah I would say so if I have a criticism of this episode it's that the first half of
01:42:50 ◼ ► it let's say and I think they know what they're doing here right the first half of it is very
01:42:55 ◼ ► much like status quo like let's remind everybody and then it's introducing the conflict with
01:43:10 ◼ ► I I watched it and I was like I don't know like this doesn't you know this doesn't seem
01:43:17 ◼ ► right there's some something feels wrong here something feels off but for me the thing that
01:43:23 ◼ ► really brought me all the way back around on it is there's Roy Kent yeah that's a great
01:43:35 ◼ ► that he's got his yoga group of of older ladies that don't know who he is and don't care and
01:43:42 ◼ ► he just goes out and hangs out with them and they talk about their things and he doesn't
01:43:45 ◼ ► have to worry about being Roy Kent and I like that we never saw them but in season two we
01:43:50 ◼ ► see them and I'm okay with that too I feel like okay we did that bit and now we're seeing
01:43:54 ◼ ► him settle down with them to watch reality TV and and have drink wine and stuff and like
01:44:00 ◼ ► I love I love that I love Jamie's on the show to Jamie Tartt is on the celebrity sex island
01:44:05 ◼ ► or whatever it is totally good and then and then his grappling with Keeley wants him to
01:44:17 ◼ ► soccer team and you know he he curses at them because it's Roy Kent and but like I just
01:44:24 ◼ ► all of that made me really happy you know the laugh out loud moment for me in the whole
01:44:30 ◼ ► episode is there that when when Danny Rojas wakes up in a cold sweat and and screams out
01:44:42 ◼ ► with two women in his bed yeah and that's it that's all we get it's like okay it's great
01:44:46 ◼ ► it's Ted Lasso it's Danny Rojas I'm sure everybody there is having a great time and it's great
01:44:51 ◼ ► and but I just love that moment of like we didn't need to show this this way but we did
01:45:01 ◼ ► that's what they do I don't and I don't know about Danny Rojas his life and I don't know
01:45:05 ◼ ► who the other people in the bed with him are and I it's and it's Ted Lasso right so I'm
01:45:09 ◼ ► like beautiful we like well that's not something that we knew about Danny Rojas and now we
01:45:14 ◼ ► do great like I just it was just so hilarious I love the attitude in Nate's character in
01:45:21 ◼ ► this season when he's like it's like oh we're gonna give him some motivation it's like is
01:45:32 ◼ ► were very good oh and look with the with the other like the kick boy and he's like soap
01:45:37 ◼ ► super mad about him wanting to leave early so clearly Nate okay structurally season one
01:45:50 ◼ ► arc for season two you have 12 episodes you got it you have to tell a story here so you
01:45:57 ◼ ► challenges for the characters we get the fact that the team which we're like oh well they've
01:46:04 ◼ ► around but at the start of this they haven't won they've only ever tied which is the worst
01:46:09 ◼ ► thing it's it is purgatory right for Ted Lasso especially like how can you even tie you guys
01:46:14 ◼ ► do ties here now it's nothing but ties for Ted Lasso you got to get over it so that gives
01:46:19 ◼ ► us some structure to like the drama of the season and then with Nate Nate went from being
01:46:30 ◼ ► was like plucky and and and kind of came into his own I think it's clear that the story
01:46:36 ◼ ► for Nate in season two is he's trying to deal with being a coach and he's a little he hasn't
01:46:43 ◼ ► really gotten how should I put this he needs to learn from Ted about how to be a good coach
01:46:48 ◼ ► Ted and beard right because I think he doesn't know he's playing the role of the typical
01:46:59 ◼ ► his replacement which he shouldn't be mean to and he has that moment of like well we're
01:47:04 ◼ ► paying him isn't that enough that we're paying him so yeah he's Nate not only gets to kind
01:47:14 ◼ ► learn how to be like Ted and beard or be the Nate version of them and that he has to learn
01:47:30 ◼ ► gonna be telling with him and maybe I'll be wrong maybe they'll go another direction but
01:47:37 ◼ ► it seems so funny to me because it's so out of like character of everything else that's
01:47:48 ◼ ► now right that wasn't there before yeah I I just adored it I think is such a good start
01:47:57 ◼ ► episode there's a lot of setup stuff right that's coming down the pipe right like obviously
01:48:02 ◼ ► there's a big story for Rebecca that we're yet to see right where somebody or she's going
01:48:20 ◼ ► Friday I just you know that I think they did exactly what I wanted in that first episode
01:48:25 ◼ ► like I enjoyed it just as much as I have every other episode and yeah I like I said I I got
01:48:31 ◼ ► a little worried at the beginning and it felt better as it went along and honestly I read
01:48:46 ◼ ► out and you're like wait this seems a little bit weird like it's fine it's it's fine it
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