00:00:00 ◼ ► the incontrovertible number 267 October [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/0">TS</a>]
00:00:12 ◼ ► incomparable i'm your host Jason L we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/12">TS</a>]
00:00:16 ◼ ► episode we're going to be talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/16">TS</a>]
00:00:18 ◼ ► two books one by paolo bacigalupi it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/18">TS</a>]
00:00:23 ◼ ► called the water knife and another final [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/23">TS</a>]
00:00:26 ◼ ► Stephenson which is called seven Eve's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/26">TS</a>]
00:00:28 ◼ ► these are authors we've talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/28">TS</a>]
00:00:30 ◼ ► before in previous episodes you can look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/30">TS</a>]
00:00:32 ◼ ► at poor in the show notes perhaps if i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/32">TS</a>]
00:00:34 ◼ ► not too lazy to talk about these two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/34">TS</a>]
00:00:38 ◼ ► nature i have four human beings who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/38">TS</a>]
00:00:43 ◼ ► not robots that we know Lisa Schmeisser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/43">TS</a>]
00:00:48 ◼ ► hi how are you I'm doing fine and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/48">TS</a>]
00:00:51 ◼ ► David jail or probably not a mandroid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/51">TS</a>]
00:00:57 ◼ ► serenity Caldwell good dad good to hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/57">TS</a>]
00:01:00 ◼ ► your voice your human voice yes I am NOT [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/60">TS</a>]
00:01:03 ◼ ► a robot more than I don't believe you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/63">TS</a>]
00:01:06 ◼ ► and the the most of all of the creatures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/66">TS</a>]
00:01:09 ◼ ► I've met in my travels his is the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/69">TS</a>]
00:01:11 ◼ ► human it is Scott McNulty hello hello [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/71">TS</a>]
00:01:16 ◼ ► thanks i got your Star Trek reference in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/76">TS</a>]
00:01:21 ◼ ► there i hope you can appreciate that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/81">TS</a>]
00:01:23 ◼ ► yes I was gonna do the robot voice but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/83">TS</a>]
00:01:25 ◼ ► then rendered it and I was like well I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/85">TS</a>]
00:01:26 ◼ ► don't need to do it now it's always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/86">TS</a>]
00:01:29 ◼ ► being left both of these books are about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/89">TS</a>]
00:01:30 ◼ ► robots nope they're not at all not even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/90">TS</a>]
00:01:33 ◼ ► they're not even there are a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/93">TS</a>]
00:01:36 ◼ ► robot 30 well there are main room bar or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/96">TS</a>]
00:01:38 ◼ ► not they're not like sent you not think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/98">TS</a>]
00:01:44 ◼ ► syracuse would probably say that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/104">TS</a>]
00:01:46 ◼ ► not robots that is a different podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/106">TS</a>]
00:01:49 ◼ ► all right we should start with the water [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/109">TS</a>]
00:01:51 ◼ ► knife i think i would like to start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/111">TS</a>]
00:01:53 ◼ ► there and then and then we will whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/113">TS</a>]
00:01:55 ◼ ► time we have left will be devoted to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/115">TS</a>]
00:01:56 ◼ ► eighty thousand pages of the latest you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/116">TS</a>]
00:01:58 ◼ ► know steve is a novel is certain is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/118">TS</a>]
00:02:01 ◼ ► first third so the water knife is a is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/121">TS</a>]
00:02:06 ◼ ► shorter book than 70 use i'm told that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/126">TS</a>]
00:02:09 ◼ ► the hard lately is about 370 pages long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/129">TS</a>]
00:02:11 ◼ ► I right yeah Kendall Paul bacigalupi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/131">TS</a>]
00:02:14 ◼ ► we've talked about him before he wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/134">TS</a>]
00:02:15 ◼ ► the windup girl which I thought was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/135">TS</a>]
00:02:17 ◼ ► really excellent he wrote a couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/137">TS</a>]
00:02:19 ◼ ► really good albeit depressing why a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/139">TS</a>]
00:02:21 ◼ ► novel that we talked about Scott and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/141">TS</a>]
00:02:23 ◼ ► think maybe we talked about those we did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/143">TS</a>]
00:02:26 ◼ ► the agency together on an episode and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/146">TS</a>]
00:02:29 ◼ ► now I had I had to miss an episode that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/149">TS</a>]
00:02:32 ◼ ► yeah so should bring her in the ground [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/152">TS</a>]
00:02:33 ◼ ► cities both III really highly recommend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/153">TS</a>]
00:02:35 ◼ ► ship breaker and and John cities is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/155">TS</a>]
00:02:38 ◼ ► more depressing but also good just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/158">TS</a>]
00:02:40 ◼ ► depressing very good so yeah so I'm as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/160">TS</a>]
00:02:42 ◼ ► somebody who is a resident of california [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/162">TS</a>]
00:02:44 ◼ ► i can tell you especially the water [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/164">TS</a>]
00:02:46 ◼ ► knife for portrays a future in which the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/166">TS</a>]
00:02:50 ◼ ► desert southwest of the United States is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/170">TS</a>]
00:02:52 ◼ ► a horribly short on water water has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/172">TS</a>]
00:03:03 ◼ ► disputes between the various powers in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/183">TS</a>]
00:03:06 ◼ ► the region that there is a there there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/186">TS</a>]
00:03:08 ◼ ► you know there still is a US government [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/188">TS</a>]
00:03:10 ◼ ► and all of that but they're kind of not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/190">TS</a>]
00:03:12 ◼ ► going to get involved in nevada and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/192">TS</a>]
00:03:14 ◼ ► california and arizona and and other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/194">TS</a>]
00:03:17 ◼ ► parts of the Southwest squabbling over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/197">TS</a>]
00:03:20 ◼ ► who gets the water rights and who has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/200">TS</a>]
00:03:23 ◼ ► water and who is going with and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/203">TS</a>]
00:03:24 ◼ ► cities are going to essentially shut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/204">TS</a>]
00:03:26 ◼ ► down and crumble into dust because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/206">TS</a>]
00:03:28 ◼ ► don't have enough water and that is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/208">TS</a>]
00:03:30 ◼ ► that is the the backdrop for the water [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/210">TS</a>]
00:03:33 ◼ ► knife power but you're loopy is notable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/213">TS</a>]
00:03:34 ◼ ► for writing about about econ ecology and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/214">TS</a>]
00:03:38 ◼ ► Atmospheric stuff and and climate change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/218">TS</a>]
00:03:41 ◼ ► and stuff like that it's a UH the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/221">TS</a>]
00:03:44 ◼ ► what-is-it the windup girl takes place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/224">TS</a>]
00:03:47 ◼ ► in a in a mostly drowned Southeast Asia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/227">TS</a>]
00:03:51 ◼ ► with some dykes and stuff and it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/231">TS</a>]
00:03:54 ◼ ► similar kind of situation in the in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/234">TS</a>]
00:03:57 ◼ ► those two why a book set in a in a kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/237">TS</a>]
00:04:00 ◼ ► of post sealevel rise dystopia this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/240">TS</a>]
00:04:04 ◼ ► it's not about sea level rise here but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/244">TS</a>]
00:04:07 ◼ ► it is still about climate change i've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/247">TS</a>]
00:04:08 ◼ ► heard people refer to this as Clive I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/248">TS</a>]
00:04:13 ◼ ► let's let's never say that again i just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/253">TS</a>]
00:04:15 ◼ ► i'm putting it out there and then we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/255">TS</a>]
00:04:17 ◼ ► going to be to death and it will never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/257">TS</a>]
00:04:19 ◼ ► escape so and I assume this backdrop is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/259">TS</a>]
00:04:22 ◼ ► a story about a guy who is working for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/262">TS</a>]
00:04:25 ◼ ► the head of the water agency in Las [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/265">TS</a>]
00:04:27 ◼ ► Vegas he is the titular water knife [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/267">TS</a>]
00:04:30 ◼ ► he's basically a thug an assassin in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/270">TS</a>]
00:04:33 ◼ ► employ of the water agency and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/273">TS</a>]
00:04:36 ◼ ► there's also a plucky reporter named [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/276">TS</a>]
00:04:42 ◼ ► accidentally found herself in phoenix as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/282">TS</a>]
00:04:44 ◼ ► its in its death throes and and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/284">TS</a>]
00:04:47 ◼ ► they they may meet along with uh refugee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/287">TS</a>]
00:04:50 ◼ ► from Texas because Texas is basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/290">TS</a>]
00:04:54 ◼ ► Maria and and they fight crime know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/294">TS</a>]
00:04:56 ◼ ► doesn't happen but this is the this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/296">TS</a>]
00:05:00 ◼ ► this is your story it is the water knife [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/300">TS</a>]
00:05:02 ◼ ► it's all about the terrible things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/302">TS</a>]
00:05:07 ◼ ► basically falling apart because it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/307">TS</a>]
00:05:09 ◼ ► no water that's my summary of the water [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/309">TS</a>]
00:05:12 ◼ ► knife what people think of this one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/312">TS</a>]
00:05:15 ◼ ► Lisa you're a resident of California [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/315">TS</a>]
00:05:17 ◼ ► yeah I don't know if this happened for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/317">TS</a>]
00:05:19 ◼ ► anybody else but the first time you got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/319">TS</a>]
00:05:21 ◼ ► up to wash your hands get a drink of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/321">TS</a>]
00:05:22 ◼ ► water while reading after reading this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/322">TS</a>]
00:05:24 ◼ ► book did you think to yourself my god [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/324">TS</a>]
00:05:26 ◼ ► what a miracle that we can just turn on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/326">TS</a>]
00:05:27 ◼ ► the tap and the water comes out I should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/327">TS</a>]
00:05:28 ◼ ► have a bowl under the under my want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/328">TS</a>]
00:05:31 ◼ ► Molly wash my hands and then use that to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/331">TS</a>]
00:05:32 ◼ ► water this plant which is what we do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/332">TS</a>]
00:05:36 ◼ ► Californian we all the again as jason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/336">TS</a>]
00:05:41 ◼ ► has said we're both in California it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/341">TS</a>]
00:05:43 ◼ ► suffering a huge you know once and 500 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/343">TS</a>]
00:05:45 ◼ ► every years type of drought and so in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/345">TS</a>]
00:05:49 ◼ ► house we already do the thing where we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/349">TS</a>]
00:05:51 ◼ ► use every bit of water we have and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/351">TS</a>]
00:05:53 ◼ ► I've got a great water system now for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/353">TS</a>]
00:05:54 ◼ ► watering the plants blah blah blah but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/354">TS</a>]
00:05:57 ◼ ► what I when I read this I kept thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/357">TS</a>]
00:05:59 ◼ ► well we should send copies of this to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/359">TS</a>]
00:06:02 ◼ ► you know people and people are utilities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/362">TS</a>]
00:06:04 ◼ ► and policymakers because one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/364">TS</a>]
00:06:06 ◼ ► things i thought one thing that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/366">TS</a>]
00:06:11 ◼ ► there's a part in seven teams where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/371">TS</a>]
00:06:13 ◼ ► neil degrasse tyson character who will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/373">TS</a>]
00:06:15 ◼ ► is all well you know one thing is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/375">TS</a>]
00:06:18 ◼ ► tragedy but when entire planet goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/378">TS</a>]
00:06:20 ◼ ► kablooey you just you can't you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/380">TS</a>]
00:06:23 ◼ ► get a your you can't wrap your brain on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/383">TS</a>]
00:06:25 ◼ ► in this case like them the genius of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/385">TS</a>]
00:06:27 ◼ ► water knife is the closer look because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/387">TS</a>]
00:06:30 ◼ ► you do have Maria who's this teenager [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/390">TS</a>]
00:06:32 ◼ ► refugee from California eventually from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/392">TS</a>]
00:06:35 ◼ ► Texas who over the course the entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/395">TS</a>]
00:06:36 ◼ ► novel she typifies what happens to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/396">TS</a>]
00:06:40 ◼ ► people who become refugees and are in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/400">TS</a>]
00:06:42 ◼ ► and are driven to rely on themselves far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/402">TS</a>]
00:06:44 ◼ ► before they have to and what I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/404">TS</a>]
00:06:48 ◼ ► loved about the book was the way it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/408">TS</a>]
00:06:50 ◼ ► shows how Lucy gets too close to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/410">TS</a>]
00:06:53 ◼ ► story and in doing so becomes utterly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/413">TS</a>]
00:06:56 ◼ ► unable to understand and see what would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/416">TS</a>]
00:06:58 ◼ ► drive somebody like Maria because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/418">TS</a>]
00:07:00 ◼ ► have a climactic confrontation the very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/420">TS</a>]
00:07:02 ◼ ► end I loved on Hell's quasi Redemption [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/422">TS</a>]
00:07:06 ◼ ► arc and the reason is a quasi Redemption [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/426">TS</a>]
00:07:09 ◼ ► arc is because he's going to hop in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/429">TS</a>]
00:07:10 ◼ ► helicopter and go back to Catherine case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/430">TS</a>]
00:07:12 ◼ ► who's the the headwater agency in Las [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/432">TS</a>]
00:07:15 ◼ ► Vegas yeah i mean of the queen of las [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/435">TS</a>]
00:07:17 ◼ ► vegas NV yeah I mean she was briefly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/437">TS</a>]
00:07:19 ◼ ► trying to kill him when she thought he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/439">TS</a>]
00:07:20 ◼ ► was betraying her but like now that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/440">TS</a>]
00:07:21 ◼ ► they've worked out that understanding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/441">TS</a>]
00:07:23 ◼ ► he's gonna talk he's going to toss Maria [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/443">TS</a>]
00:07:24 ◼ ► and this helicopter and the last thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/444">TS</a>]
00:07:26 ◼ ► he says to her in the book is Catherine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/446">TS</a>]
00:07:28 ◼ ► cases going to love you and I felt like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/448">TS</a>]
00:07:30 ◼ ► that book was saying right there okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/450">TS</a>]
00:07:31 ◼ ► she's gonna be a water knife interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/451">TS</a>]
00:07:33 ◼ ► to be great at it because she's looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/453">TS</a>]
00:07:34 ◼ ► at the world in a way that almost nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/454">TS</a>]
00:07:37 ◼ ► else can she doesn't remember a priest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/457">TS</a>]
00:07:38 ◼ ► shortage time and that kinda reminds me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/458">TS</a>]
00:07:41 ◼ ► of the Emily st. John mandals station [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/461">TS</a>]
00:07:43 ◼ ► eleven when they're talking about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/463">TS</a>]
00:07:46 ◼ ► before and the after and one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/466">TS</a>]
00:07:47 ◼ ► observations that one of the characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/467">TS</a>]
00:07:49 ◼ ► makes is if you were a child you really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/469">TS</a>]
00:07:51 ◼ ► don't remember what if you were a child [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/471">TS</a>]
00:07:52 ◼ ► in the world you know depopulated you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/472">TS</a>]
00:07:54 ◼ ► really don't remember electricity or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/474">TS</a>]
00:07:56 ◼ ► medicine or anything like that so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/476">TS</a>]
00:07:57 ◼ ► don't miss it too much and Maria's case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/477">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► she's very young she really doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/480">TS</a>]
00:08:01 ◼ ► remember life before like she has these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/481">TS</a>]
00:08:03 ◼ ► big impressions of all the stuff that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/483">TS</a>]
00:08:05 ◼ ► she no longer has but she's like no this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/485">TS</a>]
00:08:08 ◼ ► is the world and she talks a lot about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/488">TS</a>]
00:08:10 ◼ ► old eyes looking at the world and old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/490">TS</a>]
00:08:11 ◼ ► eyes where this is the way the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/491">TS</a>]
00:08:12 ◼ ► used to be we can get back to versus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/492">TS</a>]
00:08:14 ◼ ► looking at the world as it is now and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/494">TS</a>]
00:08:16 ◼ ► what i thought was the same thing i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/496">TS</a>]
00:08:19 ◼ ► thought at the end of the drowned cities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/499">TS</a>]
00:08:21 ◼ ► which was you know the drowsies explain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/501">TS</a>]
00:08:23 ◼ ► how people become child soldiers in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/503">TS</a>]
00:08:25 ◼ ► effect these are the circumstances that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/505">TS</a>]
00:08:26 ◼ ► lead to this is what happens this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/506">TS</a>]
00:08:28 ◼ ► human cost of the way the world is today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/508">TS</a>]
00:08:30 ◼ ► and you know this book is the same thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/510">TS</a>]
00:08:32 ◼ ► whether water and it was saying this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/512">TS</a>]
00:08:33 ◼ ► the this is the human cost of the kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/513">TS</a>]
00:08:35 ◼ ► of consumption patterns we have going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/515">TS</a>]
00:08:37 ◼ ► this is what are you guys going to pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/517">TS</a>]
00:08:39 ◼ ► this so i thought it was an intensely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/519">TS</a>]
00:08:43 ◼ ► highlighted a buttload of passages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/523">TS</a>]
00:08:44 ◼ ► because he's got a vivid and economical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/524">TS</a>]
00:08:46 ◼ ► way of describing the complete collapse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/526">TS</a>]
00:08:50 ◼ ► no one of my favorite one of my favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/530">TS</a>]
00:08:53 ◼ ► phrases was the odd mix of broken Souls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/533">TS</a>]
00:08:57 ◼ ► occupied the shattered places of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/537">TS</a>]
00:08:59 ◼ ► world and that that one sentence is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/539">TS</a>]
00:09:04 ◼ ► so elegant and so economical and says so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/544">TS</a>]
00:09:07 ◼ ► much and it's just the pros in this book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/547">TS</a>]
00:09:10 ◼ ► is excellent in addition to the story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/550">TS</a>]
00:09:11 ◼ ► and i really love and appreciate when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/551">TS</a>]
00:09:13 ◼ ► you can find something where the story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/553">TS</a>]
00:09:16 ◼ ► and the method of delivery are both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/556">TS</a>]
00:09:17 ◼ ► beautiful i'm going to go next to our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/557">TS</a>]
00:09:20 ◼ ► native a native Californian I believe a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/560">TS</a>]
00:09:23 ◼ ► serenity what do you think of this one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/563">TS</a>]
00:09:26 ◼ ► gosh at this book made me think a lot I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/566">TS</a>]
00:09:30 ◼ ► in well it's funny because this book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/570">TS</a>]
00:09:33 ◼ ► came at a time where I i was talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/573">TS</a>]
00:09:37 ◼ ► with my boyfriend at the time were like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/577">TS</a>]
00:09:39 ◼ ► well do we want to live in the northeast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/579">TS</a>]
00:09:41 ◼ ► forever and maybe I want to move club [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/581">TS</a>]
00:09:44 ◼ ► back closer to my parents and we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/584">TS</a>]
00:09:46 ◼ ► talking like maybe austin and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/586">TS</a>]
00:09:49 ◼ ► really nice i'm like yes work of fiction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/589">TS</a>]
00:09:55 ◼ ► but there's definitely there's a lot in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/595">TS</a>]
00:09:57 ◼ ► this book to make you think because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/597">TS</a>]
00:10:00 ◼ ► not it's not necessarily yes this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/600">TS</a>]
00:10:02 ◼ ► happening tomorrow but it's definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/602">TS</a>]
00:10:04 ◼ ► this is a version of a future that could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/604">TS</a>]
00:10:06 ◼ ► potentially happen and yes water rates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/606">TS</a>]
00:10:09 ◼ ► are thing which is something that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/609">TS</a>]
00:10:10 ◼ ► didn't actually realize until after the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/610">TS</a>]
00:10:12 ◼ ► book i went kind of diggin being like is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/612">TS</a>]
00:10:14 ◼ ► this actually yeah he says just the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/614">TS</a>]
00:10:19 ◼ ► for me again I i love all of how do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/619">TS</a>]
00:10:24 ◼ ► see that his lesson about you loopy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/624">TS</a>]
00:10:28 ◼ ► Bacigalupi stuff I think so you must not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/628">TS</a>]
00:10:30 ◼ ► have read the doubt factor even haha no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/630">TS</a>]
00:10:34 ◼ ► I the jacket factory the data factory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/634">TS</a>]
00:10:37 ◼ ► was clearly turned out quickly and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/637">TS</a>]
00:10:39 ◼ ► not bad book but I I feel like somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/639">TS</a>]
00:10:42 ◼ ► whispered in his ear this sort of book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/642">TS</a>]
00:10:43 ◼ ► could sell well yeah we talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/643">TS</a>]
00:10:46 ◼ ► that I want to come out and I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/646">TS</a>]
00:10:49 ◼ ► yes I alright so I'm yeah i love i love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/649">TS</a>]
00:10:52 ◼ ► his climate change-related science [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/652">TS</a>]
00:10:54 ◼ ► fiction and i'm going to use the long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/654">TS</a>]
00:10:59 ◼ ► I really Lisa in that I his prose is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/659">TS</a>]
00:11:03 ◼ ► chilling but i know in a way that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/663">TS</a>]
00:11:07 ◼ ► discouraged about the the fate of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/667">TS</a>]
00:11:09 ◼ ► world or the potential fate of the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/669">TS</a>]
00:11:11 ◼ ► but it definitely it gets in your brain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/671">TS</a>]
00:11:13 ◼ ► and you think about these things long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/673">TS</a>]
00:11:15 ◼ ► after you've closed the book i mean i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/675">TS</a>]
00:11:18 ◼ ► page-turner you know I I probably run it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/678">TS</a>]
00:11:20 ◼ ► straight through and 48 hours maybe less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/680">TS</a>]
00:11:22 ◼ ► but it yet but the certain phrases and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/682">TS</a>]
00:11:28 ◼ ► imagery stuck with me a long time after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/688">TS</a>]
00:11:30 ◼ ► the the hyenas the oh yeah oh my gosh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/690">TS</a>]
00:11:35 ◼ ► yes oh the all of the all of the games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/695">TS</a>]
00:11:41 ◼ ► well-built version of apocalypse because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/701">TS</a>]
00:11:45 ◼ ► it doesn't because it's so close to our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/705">TS</a>]
00:11:47 ◼ ► reality that it doesn't feel so removed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/707">TS</a>]
00:11:50 ◼ ► that we can't identify with it and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/710">TS</a>]
00:11:52 ◼ ► you can it's it's it's just it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/712">TS</a>]
00:11:56 ◼ ► turning the knob just one setting over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/716">TS</a>]
00:11:58 ◼ ► so you look at everything and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/718">TS</a>]
00:12:00 ◼ ► like yeah I recognize I recognize this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/720">TS</a>]
00:12:02 ◼ ► but without necessarily being too close [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/722">TS</a>]
00:12:06 ◼ ► to home or too far away from home that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/726">TS</a>]
00:12:09 ◼ ► you become desensitized I there's a no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/729">TS</a>]
00:12:12 ◼ ► no it's it's a very special balance that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/732">TS</a>]
00:12:15 ◼ ► he's that he's kind of struck and I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/735">TS</a>]
00:12:17 ◼ ► really enjoy you know the the plus side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/737">TS</a>]
00:12:22 ◼ ► I and i love the world-building i love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/742">TS</a>]
00:12:24 ◼ ► the stuff we get about the ecology is in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/744">TS</a>]
00:12:25 ◼ ► the essentially the living buildings and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/745">TS</a>]
00:12:29 ◼ ► how those sort of come into play in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/749">TS</a>]
00:12:34 ◼ ► recognize arcologies from if you baby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/754">TS</a>]
00:12:37 ◼ ► simcity 2000 if you built if you last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/757">TS</a>]
00:12:39 ◼ ► long enough they launched into space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/759">TS</a>]
00:12:42 ◼ ► you know that that was something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/762">TS</a>]
00:12:44 ◼ ► was that start percolating through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/764">TS</a>]
00:12:46 ◼ ► architecture movements back in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/766">TS</a>]
00:12:47 ◼ ► sixties and seven days self-contained [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/767">TS</a>]
00:12:49 ◼ ► yes there's actually a structure in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/769">TS</a>]
00:12:52 ◼ ► southwest call dark asante which was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/772">TS</a>]
00:12:54 ◼ ► meant to be a self-contained ecosystem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/774">TS</a>]
00:12:58 ◼ ► the idea was that good architecture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/778">TS</a>]
00:12:59 ◼ ► combined with ecology could create these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/779">TS</a>]
00:13:01 ◼ ► oasis in the desert and Marcus aunties [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/781">TS</a>]
00:13:03 ◼ ► an experiment that's been going on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/783">TS</a>]
00:13:06 ◼ ► David you live near a river but I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/786">TS</a>]
00:13:09 ◼ ► gonna have to well you're not about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/789">TS</a>]
00:13:11 ◼ ► well i was gonna say all of the you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/791">TS</a>]
00:13:13 ◼ ► thinking about the water being a miracle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/793">TS</a>]
00:13:16 ◼ ► as it comes out of these little faucets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/796">TS</a>]
00:13:18 ◼ ► all over my house I I thought of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/798">TS</a>]
00:13:20 ◼ ► the last time i went to california and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/800">TS</a>]
00:13:22 ◼ ► oh this is what it's like out here and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/802">TS</a>]
00:13:28 ◼ ► I've been much more conscious let's and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/808">TS</a>]
00:13:29 ◼ ► taking home even though quote-unquote I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/809">TS</a>]
00:13:32 ◼ ► don't have to be and so reading this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/812">TS</a>]
00:13:36 ◼ ► yeah i mean i'll go along and say that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/816">TS</a>]
00:13:41 ◼ ► have also liked everything he's written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/821">TS</a>]
00:13:43 ◼ ► i like the doubt factory for what it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/823">TS</a>]
00:13:45 ◼ ► it's not high heart this is high art [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/825">TS</a>]
00:13:49 ◼ ► this is I'm not usually a big fan of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/829">TS</a>]
00:13:51 ◼ ► message fiction and and you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/831">TS</a>]
00:13:55 ◼ ► except for Star Trek i guess but one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/835">TS</a>]
00:13:59 ◼ ► thing i love about his work is that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/839">TS</a>]
00:14:02 ◼ ► does stick with me and it's just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/842">TS</a>]
00:14:10 ◼ ► it's a mystery said I mean I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/850">TS</a>]
00:14:12 ◼ ► one of the things that even in Star Trek [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/852">TS</a>]
00:14:14 ◼ ► you could say is that you need to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/854">TS</a>]
00:14:16 ◼ ► good story a good plot that goes along [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/856">TS</a>]
00:14:17 ◼ ► with your message and a day that could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/857">TS</a>]
00:14:20 ◼ ► you could say that was the sugar coating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/860">TS</a>]
00:14:21 ◼ ► sometimes what what bacigalupi is doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/861">TS</a>]
00:14:23 ◼ ► here is you know he's telling he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/863">TS</a>]
00:14:25 ◼ ► telling a an action adventure story in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/865">TS</a>]
00:14:28 ◼ ► this world where he which allows him to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/868">TS</a>]
00:14:35 ◼ ► Southwest with these crippling water [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/875">TS</a>]
00:14:38 ◼ ► deficiencies and what the politics would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/878">TS</a>]
00:14:41 ◼ ► be in what the social ramifications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/881">TS</a>]
00:14:43 ◼ ► would be that's but you know then I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/883">TS</a>]
00:14:46 ◼ ► going to tell a story about this guy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/886">TS</a>]
00:14:49 ◼ ► and these two women and what happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/889">TS</a>]
00:14:52 ◼ ► and there's you know and there's action [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/892">TS</a>]
00:14:54 ◼ ► there is and there's adventure and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/894">TS</a>]
00:14:56 ◼ ► there's excitement and there's some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/896">TS</a>]
00:14:57 ◼ ► crazy sci-fi kind of things in there but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/897">TS</a>]
00:15:00 ◼ ► you know but that's it's you know it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/900">TS</a>]
00:15:03 ◼ ► i think well done in the sense that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/903">TS</a>]
00:15:05 ◼ ► the the I the message isn't it is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/905">TS</a>]
00:15:08 ◼ ► plot but it isn't the plot it's more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/908">TS</a>]
00:15:09 ◼ ► than that if it was just a message was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/909">TS</a>]
00:15:11 ◼ ► just discreet about the environment I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/911">TS</a>]
00:15:13 ◼ ► think it wouldn't be that it wouldn't be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/913">TS</a>]
00:15:15 ◼ ► as successful as it is not to tip my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/915">TS</a>]
00:15:17 ◼ ► hand for later but i really i really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/917">TS</a>]
00:15:20 ◼ ► like the the clothes look I don't I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/920">TS</a>]
00:15:23 ◼ ► don't necessarily like the let's see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/923">TS</a>]
00:15:26 ◼ ► entire you know everything that's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/926">TS</a>]
00:15:28 ◼ ► on everywhere all over the world hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/928">TS</a>]
00:15:29 ◼ ► hard to get a lot of perspective when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/929">TS</a>]
00:15:31 ◼ ► you're looking at it from that viewpoint [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/931">TS</a>]
00:15:32 ◼ ► and and you don't need it and this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/932">TS</a>]
00:15:34 ◼ ► is proof that you don't need all of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/934">TS</a>]
00:15:36 ◼ ► to have an effective story and to end to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/936">TS</a>]
00:15:41 ◼ ► message that you're trying to sell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/941">TS</a>]
00:15:44 ◼ ► can you can just do it really nicely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/944">TS</a>]
00:15:46 ◼ ► covered entities in Philadelphia he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/946">TS</a>]
00:15:49 ◼ ► just pouring buckets of water onto the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/949">TS</a>]
00:15:50 ◼ ► street for fun doing that right now like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/950">TS</a>]
00:15:53 ◼ ► about other is set up and i just turned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/953">TS</a>]
00:15:56 ◼ ► on the faucet and throw it out the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/956">TS</a>]
00:15:57 ◼ ► yeah this book has reaffirmed that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/957">TS</a>]
00:16:00 ◼ ► should stay on the east coast because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/960">TS</a>]
00:16:01 ◼ ► you have plentiful water is usually rain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/961">TS</a>]
00:16:04 ◼ ► in oregon right that there's only in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/964">TS</a>]
00:16:06 ◼ ► fact the scene where they call vancouver [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/966">TS</a>]
00:16:10 ◼ ► what is that yes that being said its own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/970">TS</a>]
00:16:13 ◼ ► problems an earthquake land you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/973">TS</a>]
00:16:15 ◼ ► some ministers maybe we also don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/975">TS</a>]
00:16:17 ◼ ► earthquakes over here at the East Coast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/977">TS</a>]
00:16:19 ◼ ► generally of course we'll have one and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/979">TS</a>]
00:16:21 ◼ ► then everyone will die but yeah but to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/981">TS</a>]
00:16:24 ◼ ► philly sports fans i'm really not sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/984">TS</a>]
00:16:25 ◼ ► that's a true that hurricane hurricane [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/985">TS</a>]
00:16:27 ◼ ► only missed you by a little bit so we do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/987">TS</a>]
00:16:29 ◼ ► have her needs we sometimes have too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/989">TS</a>]
00:16:31 ◼ ► much water that is very game learn to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/991">TS</a>]
00:16:32 ◼ ► not mess with us also Eagles fans I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/992">TS</a>]
00:16:35 ◼ ► like we can't again about that danger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/995">TS</a>]
00:16:36 ◼ ► index Friedman so so Scott what do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/996">TS</a>]
00:16:40 ◼ ► think of the water i liked it i read it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1000">TS</a>]
00:16:44 ◼ ► very quickly so that's always a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1004">TS</a>]
00:16:46 ◼ ► yeah I enjoyed the fact that it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1006">TS</a>]
00:16:50 ◼ ► american press that you although it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1010">TS</a>]
00:16:53 ◼ ► not surprising considering both authors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1013">TS</a>]
00:16:54 ◼ ► I liked all talking about comparing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1014">TS</a>]
00:16:57 ◼ ► contrasting i like how real the water [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1017">TS</a>]
00:17:00 ◼ ► knife felt and plausible and how there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1020">TS</a>]
00:17:06 ◼ ► completely different people experiencing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1026">TS</a>]
00:17:10 ◼ ► the same kind of a horrific ecological [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1030">TS</a>]
00:17:14 ◼ ► breakdown in so many like the people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1034">TS</a>]
00:17:15 ◼ ► live in these arcologies it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1035">TS</a>]
00:17:17 ◼ ► matter because they have a fountain and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1037">TS</a>]
00:17:18 ◼ ► a river and everything's lovely inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1038">TS</a>]
00:17:21 ◼ ► their little self-contained world but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1041">TS</a>]
00:17:23 ◼ ► then you go outside and there are people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1043">TS</a>]
00:17:24 ◼ ► lining up at a public spigot that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1044">TS</a>]
00:17:27 ◼ ► have to pay you no money to get their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1047">TS</a>]
00:17:30 ◼ ► water and the prices fluctuate based on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1050">TS</a>]
00:17:35 ◼ ► malfunctions in advance oh it over Vince [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1055">TS</a>]
00:17:37 ◼ ► water and like one of the characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1057">TS</a>]
00:17:38 ◼ ► feels like she struck it rich because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1058">TS</a>]
00:17:40 ◼ ► she's going to be able to resell this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1060">TS</a>]
00:17:42 ◼ ► water for right Marshall fingers out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1062">TS</a>]
00:17:45 ◼ ► that because it's based on the market so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1065">TS</a>]
00:17:46 ◼ ► there's at 1.22 yeah i was down there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1066">TS</a>]
00:17:50 ◼ ► and so you can quickly she fills up a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1070">TS</a>]
00:17:52 ◼ ► lots of jugs and of course in in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1072">TS</a>]
00:17:55 ◼ ► book that is a great boon for her but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1075">TS</a>]
00:17:58 ◼ ► immediately it turns into a horrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1078">TS</a>]
00:17:59 ◼ ► thing because nobody could be happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1079">TS</a>]
00:18:02 ◼ ► well have you ever seen the wire it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1082">TS</a>]
00:18:04 ◼ ► pretty much like watching the kids and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1084">TS</a>]
00:18:07 ◼ ► together terrible situation I mean yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1087">TS</a>]
00:18:09 ◼ ► it'sit's uh yeah it was Ursa know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1089">TS</a>]
00:18:13 ◼ ► that what I enjoyed is I really liked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1093">TS</a>]
00:18:15 ◼ ► what he did to Lucy over the course of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1095">TS</a>]
00:18:17 ◼ ► the book that's our our reporter yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1097">TS</a>]
00:18:20 ◼ ► loosies reporter character and there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1100">TS</a>]
00:18:23 ◼ ► character who appears very briefly and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1103">TS</a>]
00:18:24 ◼ ► kick starts things off where he tells [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1104">TS</a>]
00:18:26 ◼ ► Lucy that her problem is she thinks too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1106">TS</a>]
00:18:27 ◼ ► small and at the end of the book when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1107">TS</a>]
00:18:31 ◼ ► she gets what is essentially the maltese [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1111">TS</a>]
00:18:33 ◼ ► falcon of the book the thing everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1113">TS</a>]
00:18:35 ◼ ► has been looking for i think everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1115">TS</a>]
00:18:36 ◼ ► has been pulling to kill him to die for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1116">TS</a>]
00:18:38 ◼ ► and she gets it she's like with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1118">TS</a>]
00:18:40 ◼ ► Phoenix can you know control its own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1120">TS</a>]
00:18:42 ◼ ► destiny and like she's all I'm going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1122">TS</a>]
00:18:45 ◼ ► make sure that Felix isn't hired by this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1125">TS</a>]
00:18:46 ◼ ► and she says this in front of somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1126">TS</a>]
00:18:49 ◼ ► who has lost parts of her body her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1129">TS</a>]
00:18:51 ◼ ► parent and her best friend to the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1131">TS</a>]
00:18:53 ◼ ► Phoenix is now and I thought oh my god [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1133">TS</a>]
00:18:56 ◼ ► Lucy you really do like anything it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1136">TS</a>]
00:18:58 ◼ ► not Lucy thinking small in that case she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1138">TS</a>]
00:19:00 ◼ ► was thinking too big that she missed the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1140">TS</a>]
00:19:03 ◼ ► there are probably people in Phoenix who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1143">TS</a>]
00:19:04 ◼ ► don't want it to succeed who wants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1144">TS</a>]
00:19:07 ◼ ► desperately to get out of there and will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1147">TS</a>]
00:19:08 ◼ ► do anything to get up there in Lucy lost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1148">TS</a>]
00:19:11 ◼ ► sight of that she was she was chasing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1151">TS</a>]
00:19:12 ◼ ► after the power structures and she kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1152">TS</a>]
00:19:14 ◼ ► of it was ok to document the desperation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1154">TS</a>]
00:19:16 ◼ ► but I don't think she really realized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1156">TS</a>]
00:19:18 ◼ ► the lengths people would go to to avoid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1158">TS</a>]
00:19:22 ◼ ► prolonging the pain you mentioned the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1162">TS</a>]
00:19:26 ◼ ► ridiculous to people that essentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1166">TS</a>]
00:19:29 ◼ ► what they're talking about and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1169">TS</a>]
00:19:30 ◼ ► thing that everybody's fighting and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1170">TS</a>]
00:19:32 ◼ ► dying over is a document about water [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1172">TS</a>]
00:19:35 ◼ ► rights from 100 a long time ago and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1175">TS</a>]
00:19:39 ◼ ► who had the first water rights to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1179">TS</a>]
00:19:40 ◼ ► various watersheds and rivers and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1180">TS</a>]
00:19:43 ◼ ► may seem ridiculous like will really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1183">TS</a>]
00:19:45 ◼ ► when you've got all these states and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1185">TS</a>]
00:19:46 ◼ ► their national guards and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1186">TS</a>]
00:19:47 ◼ ► fighting each other and they're blowing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1187">TS</a>]
00:19:48 ◼ ► up pumping stations and things like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1188">TS</a>]
00:19:50 ◼ ► what is some quaint old document going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1190">TS</a>]
00:19:52 ◼ ► to mean except if you look at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1192">TS</a>]
00:19:55 ◼ ► headlines of the mandatory water cuts in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1195">TS</a>]
00:19:57 ◼ ► California right now they're actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1197">TS</a>]
00:20:00 ◼ ► the age of the water claims is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1200">TS</a>]
00:20:04 ◼ ► determining factor in whether your farms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1204">TS</a>]
00:20:06 ◼ ► get water or not so this is absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1206">TS</a>]
00:20:08 ◼ ► real as ridiculous as it sounds I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1208">TS</a>]
00:20:11 ◼ ► it is that ridiculous and yet it is also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1211">TS</a>]
00:20:13 ◼ ► accurate so I thought that was a nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1213">TS</a>]
00:20:15 ◼ ► touch there that as fact there have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1215">TS</a>]
00:20:18 ◼ ► reporters who have been documenting the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1218">TS</a>]
00:20:20 ◼ ► Colorado for like the last 15 to 20 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1220">TS</a>]
00:20:21 ◼ ► years and taking a look at who has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1221">TS</a>]
00:20:24 ◼ ► claims where because this is a very real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1224">TS</a>]
00:20:27 ◼ ► thing if you were to cut off the kelp [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1227">TS</a>]
00:20:31 ◼ ► well above Arizona Utah and Nevada they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1231">TS</a>]
00:20:35 ◼ ► be host and so right now who can draw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1235">TS</a>]
00:20:37 ◼ ► water from calif from the Colorado is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1237">TS</a>]
00:20:39 ◼ ► really from political process and when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1239">TS</a>]
00:20:41 ◼ ► Arizona starting large-scale spinach [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1241">TS</a>]
00:20:43 ◼ ► farming they actually tapped into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1243">TS</a>]
00:20:45 ◼ ► Colorado to do that and that's about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1245">TS</a>]
00:20:46 ◼ ► whole political flurry it's a Mike Davis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1246">TS</a>]
00:20:50 ◼ ► wrote a book called city of course which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1250">TS</a>]
00:20:51 ◼ ► is about Los Angeles and how you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1251">TS</a>]
00:20:55 ◼ ► the reason it grew is because they stole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1255">TS</a>]
00:20:57 ◼ ► of water rights which you know you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1257">TS</a>]
00:20:58 ◼ ► learn more about actually much chinatown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1258">TS</a>]
00:21:00 ◼ ► and they talk about how water is life or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1260">TS</a>]
00:21:06 ◼ ► death to the American Southwest and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1266">TS</a>]
00:21:08 ◼ ► there are a lot of people who have a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1268">TS</a>]
00:21:10 ◼ ► at stake in making sure that it flows in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1270">TS</a>]
00:21:12 ◼ ► ways that are deeply unnatural for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1272">TS</a>]
00:21:15 ◼ ► and I I I loved in this book how he had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1275">TS</a>]
00:21:18 ◼ ► clearly done his homework on how the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1278">TS</a>]
00:21:22 ◼ ► bit by bit with ranchers and farmers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1282">TS</a>]
00:21:25 ◼ ► and where the money flows and how it get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1285">TS</a>]
00:21:27 ◼ ► started it's just such a whole research [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1287">TS</a>]
00:21:30 ◼ ► book also we talking about um about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1290">TS</a>]
00:21:33 ◼ ► being an apocalyptic it is in a way but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1293">TS</a>]
00:21:35 ◼ ► if this is a small apocalypse in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1295">TS</a>]
00:21:37 ◼ ► sense that it's an apocalypse of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1297">TS</a>]
00:21:38 ◼ ► region and in fact one of the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1298">TS</a>]
00:21:40 ◼ ► that he goes to some pains to show is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1300">TS</a>]
00:21:43 ◼ ► that this is a world of haves and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1303">TS</a>]
00:21:45 ◼ ► have-nots and people in the United [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1305">TS</a>]
00:21:47 ◼ ► States miss something I think power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1307">TS</a>]
00:21:48 ◼ ► budget hope he does a lot and does very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1308">TS</a>]
00:21:49 ◼ ► well is is a make you understand how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1309">TS</a>]
00:21:53 ◼ ► people in other parts of the world and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1313">TS</a>]
00:21:54 ◼ ► other situations feel by turning the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1314">TS</a>]
00:21:57 ◼ ► tables on on Americans and display and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1317">TS</a>]
00:22:00 ◼ ► showing them in that position because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1320">TS</a>]
00:22:01 ◼ ► you have that this is what you know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1321">TS</a>]
00:22:04 ◼ ► imagine what it would be like if you did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1324">TS</a>]
00:22:06 ◼ ► this exactly so in this case what we see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1326">TS</a>]
00:22:08 ◼ ► is not only do we see the rain in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1328">TS</a>]
00:22:09 ◼ ► Vancouver and we hear about you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1329">TS</a>]
00:22:11 ◼ ► things within back east and all that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1331">TS</a>]
00:22:13 ◼ ► lurking the whole time and we very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1333">TS</a>]
00:22:16 ◼ ► rarely see any instance of it other than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1336">TS</a>]
00:22:18 ◼ ► like people referencing it is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1338">TS</a>]
00:22:20 ◼ ► monster in the room which is California [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1340">TS</a>]
00:22:24 ◼ ► and the implication a California will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1344">TS</a>]
00:22:26 ◼ ► always get what it wants its got the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1346">TS</a>]
00:22:28 ◼ ► people it's got the power it will suck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1348">TS</a>]
00:22:31 ◼ ► you dry if it wants to and everybody in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1351">TS</a>]
00:22:33 ◼ ► this story is scrambling around the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1353">TS</a>]
00:22:36 ◼ ► edges trying not to anger California and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1356">TS</a>]
00:22:38 ◼ ► trying to get enough to survive without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1358">TS</a>]
00:22:40 ◼ ► drawing you know California's I and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1360">TS</a>]
00:22:42 ◼ ► found that fascinating to that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1362">TS</a>]
00:22:44 ◼ ► isn't this isn't a you know a story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1364">TS</a>]
00:22:47 ◼ ► about the The you know how California [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1367">TS</a>]
00:22:49 ◼ ► steals everybody's water when there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1369">TS</a>]
00:22:51 ◼ ► drought this is a story of all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1371">TS</a>]
00:22:52 ◼ ► people whose water got stolen but and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1372">TS</a>]
00:22:54 ◼ ► how they survive which i think is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1374">TS</a>]
00:22:56 ◼ ► really nice touch the California is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1376">TS</a>]
00:22:57 ◼ ► this super scary like the Soviet Union [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1377">TS</a>]
00:23:00 ◼ ► and in a spy story in said in the cold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1380">TS</a>]
00:23:03 ◼ ► war where it's like it's just it's out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1383">TS</a>]
00:23:05 ◼ ► Hallie's are ya they are you you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1385">TS</a>]
00:23:07 ◼ ► the calories are gonna come and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1387">TS</a>]
00:23:09 ◼ ► it's all the jig is up man it's over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1389">TS</a>]
00:23:10 ◼ ► then I think that's a fascinating little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1390">TS</a>]
00:23:14 ◼ ► touch too and it's funny brought up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1394">TS</a>]
00:23:16 ◼ ► China tent is the first thing I wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1396">TS</a>]
00:23:17 ◼ ► to do as soon as they finish was gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1397">TS</a>]
00:23:20 ◼ ► because it's been you know 15 years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1400">TS</a>]
00:23:21 ◼ ► since i saw it 20 years since i thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1401">TS</a>]
00:23:23 ◼ ► i was thinking because you talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1403">TS</a>]
00:23:25 ◼ ► you Jason you alluded to the gap between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1405">TS</a>]
00:23:26 ◼ ► the rich and the poor and one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1406">TS</a>]
00:23:28 ◼ ► things i like about the way mr. B i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1408">TS</a>]
00:23:33 ◼ ► just going to one of the things i like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1413">TS</a>]
00:23:39 ◼ ► abundantly clear that the technology and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1419">TS</a>]
00:23:41 ◼ ► the g was advances like the arcologies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1421">TS</a>]
00:23:43 ◼ ► have all been developed and designed in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1423">TS</a>]
00:23:46 ◼ ► the service of the from of the elite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1426">TS</a>]
00:23:49 ◼ ► economy and it reminds me a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1429">TS</a>]
00:23:51 ◼ ► stuff that you seen william gibson novel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1431">TS</a>]
00:23:53 ◼ ► except here there's more of an angry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1433">TS</a>]
00:23:55 ◼ ► activists heart whereas and william [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1435">TS</a>]
00:23:57 ◼ ► gibson novels like he can go off for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1437">TS</a>]
00:24:00 ◼ ► super-fantastic flannel shirt and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1440">TS</a>]
00:24:02 ◼ ► fountain pen they're using and then it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1442">TS</a>]
00:24:04 ◼ ► like a woman doing jujitsu but here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1444">TS</a>]
00:24:06 ◼ ► instead it's a little eyes fetishized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1446">TS</a>]
00:24:09 ◼ ► and it's definitely more comment on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1449">TS</a>]
00:24:11 ◼ ► wealth is a lot less fetishize and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1451">TS</a>]
00:24:13 ◼ ► are aware of the human cost you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1453">TS</a>]
00:24:15 ◼ ► especially when you've got these these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1455">TS</a>]
00:24:17 ◼ ► these dudes who are supposed to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1457">TS</a>]
00:24:19 ◼ ► looking for aquifers not finding LOL [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1459">TS</a>]
00:24:21 ◼ ► hookers on the company tab and and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1461">TS</a>]
00:24:23 ◼ ► working that way so it's I like his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1463">TS</a>]
00:24:27 ◼ ► books because i like the angry beating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1467">TS</a>]
00:24:28 ◼ ► heart of them will they feel real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1468">TS</a>]
00:24:30 ◼ ► yeah they don't they don't feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1470">TS</a>]
00:24:32 ◼ ► again they don't feel like some fantasy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1472">TS</a>]
00:24:34 ◼ ► world where we're so far removed it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1474">TS</a>]
00:24:36 ◼ ► like oh that's nice post boxes like Mad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1476">TS</a>]
00:24:40 ◼ ► yeah it's just like it's so far removed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1480">TS</a>]
00:24:42 ◼ ► from reality that you're like all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1482">TS</a>]
00:24:44 ◼ ► this is most part how would how would we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1484">TS</a>]
00:24:46 ◼ ► get to that point where it's very clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1486">TS</a>]
00:24:47 ◼ ► how we get to this point so it did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1487">TS</a>]
00:24:52 ◼ ► tamarisk unter which is one of his short [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1492">TS</a>]
00:24:54 ◼ ► stories and pump 6i have yeah I cannot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1494">TS</a>]
00:24:57 ◼ ► oh yeah that's a good coat on that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1497">TS</a>]
00:24:59 ◼ ► good choice for collection pump six is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1499">TS</a>]
00:25:00 ◼ ► an excellent pump six and other stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1500">TS</a>]
00:25:02 ◼ ► is an excellent collection all all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1502">TS</a>]
00:25:05 ◼ ► ecosystem and climate change-related I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1505">TS</a>]
00:25:08 ◼ ► believe but that the tamarisk countries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1508">TS</a>]
00:25:11 ◼ ► i believe the short story that kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1511">TS</a>]
00:25:12 ◼ ► spurred this this book into action which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1512">TS</a>]
00:25:16 ◼ ► follows basically a a so-called tamarisk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1516">TS</a>]
00:25:19 ◼ ► hunter who basically goes down the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1519">TS</a>]
00:25:21 ◼ ► Colorado striking down tamarisk weeds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1521">TS</a>]
00:25:24 ◼ ► that are sucking the water dried and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1524">TS</a>]
00:25:29 ◼ ► and his his view or how he sees people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1529">TS</a>]
00:25:33 ◼ ► basically being policed on the wall on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1533">TS</a>]
00:25:35 ◼ ► the Colorado and that that in itself was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1535">TS</a>]
00:25:38 ◼ ► such an interesting snapshot of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1538">TS</a>]
00:25:42 ◼ ► potential life and then I forget a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1542">TS</a>]
00:25:45 ◼ ► or two later in the LA Times there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1545">TS</a>]
00:25:48 ◼ ► something very very similarly mentioning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1548">TS</a>]
00:25:51 ◼ ► you know tamarisks sucking down Colorado [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1551">TS</a>]
00:25:54 ◼ ► etc and it was just I don't know I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1554">TS</a>]
00:25:56 ◼ ► like he has such a good he has such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1556">TS</a>]
00:25:59 ◼ ► good eye tap on the sort of the beating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1559">TS</a>]
00:26:03 ◼ ► heart of like what what is vital in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1563">TS</a>]
00:26:05 ◼ ► certain areas and the like the ability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1565">TS</a>]
00:26:09 ◼ ► to just draw out what might be most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1569">TS</a>]
00:26:10 ◼ ► negatively interesting without not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1570">TS</a>]
00:26:12 ◼ ► necessarily saying like this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1572">TS</a>]
00:26:15 ◼ ► everything is doomed but if this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1575">TS</a>]
00:26:17 ◼ ► worst way that this future could go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1577">TS</a>]
00:26:19 ◼ ► let's dive in deep and look at these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1579">TS</a>]
00:26:22 ◼ ► three people and explode their lives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1582">TS</a>]
00:26:25 ◼ ► basically let's make all of the bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1585">TS</a>]
00:26:26 ◼ ► things happen and see how humanity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1586">TS</a>]
00:26:28 ◼ ► reacts which is fascinating so i will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1588">TS</a>]
00:26:31 ◼ ► say I another way that this book reminds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1591">TS</a>]
00:26:33 ◼ ► me of william gibson is that after i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1593">TS</a>]
00:26:37 ◼ ► read it i thought i really love the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1597">TS</a>]
00:26:39 ◼ ► world and i really loved the writing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1599">TS</a>]
00:26:42 ◼ ► as for the plot it is not anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1602">TS</a>]
00:26:46 ◼ ► special like to me I felt like like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1606">TS</a>]
00:26:49 ◼ ► Gibson and I love Gibson but Gibson's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1609">TS</a>]
00:26:51 ◼ ► plots are pulp crying plots mostly and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1611">TS</a>]
00:26:57 ◼ ► yes such they stopped a little better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1617">TS</a>]
00:26:58 ◼ ► something that's exactly and and I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1618">TS</a>]
00:27:00 ◼ ► and what about with budget loopy I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1620">TS</a>]
00:27:03 ◼ ► never really felt that way before but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1623">TS</a>]
00:27:05 ◼ ► with this book I felt that way I felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1625">TS</a>]
00:27:07 ◼ ► like the setting was so rich but like in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1627">TS</a>]
00:27:10 ◼ ► the windup girl the setting is is rich [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1630">TS</a>]
00:27:12 ◼ ► but it's also bizarre and in and drowned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1632">TS</a>]
00:27:14 ◼ ► cities i think is setting is as rich and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1634">TS</a>]
00:27:18 ◼ ► in some ways water knife I felt like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1638">TS</a>]
00:27:20 ◼ ► setting was good and then the plot is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1640">TS</a>]
00:27:23 ◼ ► kind of it is a MacGuffin plot it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1643">TS</a>]
00:27:26 ◼ ► thug you know and some mysterious like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1646">TS</a>]
00:27:29 ◼ ► people get assassinated and there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1649">TS</a>]
00:27:31 ◼ ► the reporter who's on the trail and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1651">TS</a>]
00:27:33 ◼ ► there's the the the poor refugee who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1653">TS</a>]
00:27:36 ◼ ► put in these terrible situations and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1656">TS</a>]
00:27:39 ◼ ► but they did I just wanted to say it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1659">TS</a>]
00:27:41 ◼ ► that struck me and I think that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1661">TS</a>]
00:27:42 ◼ ► reason that I didn't like it as much as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1662">TS</a>]
00:27:43 ◼ ► some of his other work is not because of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1663">TS</a>]
00:27:45 ◼ ► all the things we've been talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1665">TS</a>]
00:27:46 ◼ ► that because I felt like the story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1666">TS</a>]
00:27:49 ◼ ► itself when I got done with it was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1669">TS</a>]
00:27:51 ◼ ► that part of it yeah you know it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1671">TS</a>]
00:27:53 ◼ ► like I've seen that story that's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1673">TS</a>]
00:27:55 ◼ ► you know it came off of the plot machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1675">TS</a>]
00:27:58 ◼ ► I almost like it that what I like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1678">TS</a>]
00:28:05 ◼ ► I'm shoved into these extraordinary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1685">TS</a>]
00:28:07 ◼ ► circumstances because it a little for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1687">TS</a>]
00:28:10 ◼ ► at least what I really enjoyed about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1690">TS</a>]
00:28:12 ◼ ► water knife worthy the small moments in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1692">TS</a>]
00:28:15 ◼ ► there and the the very real humanization [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1695">TS</a>]
00:28:18 ◼ ► of these characters whereas the their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1698">TS</a>]
00:28:20 ◼ ► overall arcs may have been fairly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1700">TS</a>]
00:28:21 ◼ ► predictable but the brief it like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1701">TS</a>]
00:28:24 ◼ ► individual scenes in the way that these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1704">TS</a>]
00:28:26 ◼ ► characters interacted were very very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1706">TS</a>]
00:28:29 ◼ ► interesting on I don't yeah I it is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1709">TS</a>]
00:28:33 ◼ ► less about the little moments for me in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1713">TS</a>]
00:28:35 ◼ ► this book which I i'm gonna bet you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1715">TS</a>]
00:28:36 ◼ ► you're you're totally valid and that yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1716">TS</a>]
00:28:38 ◼ ► it's much more of an archetypal story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1718">TS</a>]
00:28:41 ◼ ► yeah I mean to me it's sort of like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1721">TS</a>]
00:28:44 ◼ ► lets you focus on the message and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1724">TS</a>]
00:28:46 ◼ ► character moments and it's the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1726">TS</a>]
00:28:47 ◼ ► thing with Chinatown where he wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1727">TS</a>]
00:28:50 ◼ ► tell the story about the water rights [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1730">TS</a>]
00:28:52 ◼ ► and he came up with this home the war [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1732">TS</a>]
00:28:54 ◼ ► storyline to fit into and so that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1734">TS</a>]
00:28:57 ◼ ► sort of the spoonful of sugar for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1737">TS</a>]
00:28:58 ◼ ► everyone to get the story of the water [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1738">TS</a>]
00:29:00 ◼ ► right thing and I think that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1740">TS</a>]
00:29:02 ◼ ► that was I almost want to say it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1742">TS</a>]
00:29:04 ◼ ► very intentional thing here I'd I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1744">TS</a>]
00:29:07 ◼ ► that might have been in his brain going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1747">TS</a>]
00:29:09 ◼ ► hey you know I could take that and put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1749">TS</a>]
00:29:11 ◼ ► it into a science-fiction setting with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1751">TS</a>]
00:29:12 ◼ ► these thriller element but he actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1752">TS</a>]
00:29:16 ◼ ► he calls it out because they talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1756">TS</a>]
00:29:17 ◼ ► all the stuff that Lucy reported on and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1757">TS</a>]
00:29:20 ◼ ► got pills for and they point out that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1760">TS</a>]
00:29:22 ◼ ► her most her most dogged and tenacious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1762">TS</a>]
00:29:24 ◼ ► reporting that puts all this together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1764">TS</a>]
00:29:25 ◼ ► was released trafficked work but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1765">TS</a>]
00:29:28 ◼ ► not like they make that comment like he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1768">TS</a>]
00:29:30 ◼ ► makes that commentary on the state [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1770">TS</a>]
00:29:31 ◼ ► journalism with what gets eyeballs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1771">TS</a>]
00:29:34 ◼ ► attention when when they talk about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1774">TS</a>]
00:29:36 ◼ ► most respectable and the best work that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1776">TS</a>]
00:29:38 ◼ ► Lucy did was was unraveling who was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1778">TS</a>]
00:29:40 ◼ ► responsible for drawing out phoenix and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1780">TS</a>]
00:29:42 ◼ ► nobody saw those stories so it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1782">TS</a>]
00:29:44 ◼ ► the subtext is text at least one chapter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1784">TS</a>]
00:29:46 ◼ ► there's one other thing i want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1786">TS</a>]
00:29:47 ◼ ► mention here which is just a funny thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1787">TS</a>]
00:29:49 ◼ ► that happened a week or two ago Elon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1789">TS</a>]
00:29:52 ◼ ► made the the comment about how if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1792">TS</a>]
00:29:56 ◼ ► there's an apocalypse of some sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1796">TS</a>]
00:29:58 ◼ ► there's no place you want to be other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1798">TS</a>]
00:29:59 ◼ ► than a test love because in the test lab [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1799">TS</a>]
00:30:01 ◼ ► there's like super air filters and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1801">TS</a>]
00:30:03 ◼ ► like that and that made me laugh because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1803">TS</a>]
00:30:05 ◼ ► because there is a there are several [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1805">TS</a>]
00:30:06 ◼ ► chapters here where we're on how the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1806">TS</a>]
00:30:08 ◼ ► last guys is a is driving around in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1808">TS</a>]
00:30:11 ◼ ► Tesla and he's got the he goes through a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1811">TS</a>]
00:30:14 ◼ ► dust storm and he's got the filters on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1814">TS</a>]
00:30:16 ◼ ► and all of that and you know that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1816">TS</a>]
00:30:19 ◼ ► think it's a nice touch because it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1819">TS</a>]
00:30:21 ◼ ► says it says futuristic while also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1821">TS</a>]
00:30:23 ◼ ► saying not that far in the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1823">TS</a>]
00:30:25 ◼ ► because it's a test lights recognizable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1825">TS</a>]
00:30:27 ◼ ► and that's kind of funny but then Elon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1827">TS</a>]
00:30:29 ◼ ► Musk comes out and says basically yup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1829">TS</a>]
00:30:31 ◼ ► you wanna you know if there's something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1831">TS</a>]
00:30:33 ◼ ► bad in the air just getting your test [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1833">TS</a>]
00:30:34 ◼ ► lights really good for that we just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1834">TS</a>]
00:30:36 ◼ ► again great i don't have one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1836">TS</a>]
00:30:39 ◼ ► are your audience Ilan consider your own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1839">TS</a>]
00:30:43 ◼ ► Scott you have anything more to say you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1843">TS</a>]
00:30:45 ◼ ► can you been characteristically quiet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1845">TS</a>]
00:30:48 ◼ ► well I don't want to disappoint my fans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1848">TS</a>]
00:30:50 ◼ ► by actually talking as though made as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1850">TS</a>]
00:30:56 ◼ ► well I thought the the book was fairly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1856">TS</a>]
00:30:58 ◼ ► straightforward i enjoyed it i didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1858">TS</a>]
00:31:00 ◼ ► think it was high arch as David said but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1860">TS</a>]
00:31:02 ◼ ► I thought it was a fine novel I wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1862">TS</a>]
00:31:05 ◼ ► read it again because I don't read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1865">TS</a>]
00:31:06 ◼ ► things but uh huh i certainly would read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1866">TS</a>]
00:31:10 ◼ ► another book by paolo bacigalupi but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1870">TS</a>]
00:31:12 ◼ ► apparently not the depth factor don't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1872">TS</a>]
00:31:14 ◼ ► no I i would say it's kind of in between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1874">TS</a>]
00:31:16 ◼ ► being the it's not a polemic and it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1876">TS</a>]
00:31:21 ◼ ► not like super high art either it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1881">TS</a>]
00:31:23 ◼ ► summer it's it it's in between it is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1883">TS</a>]
00:31:25 ◼ ► is it's got a message and it's got a fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1885">TS</a>]
00:31:27 ◼ ► story and weld them together fairly well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1887">TS</a>]
00:31:29 ◼ ► I didn't react to it like I did when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1889">TS</a>]
00:31:31 ◼ ► read the windup girl which was wow this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1891">TS</a>]
00:31:33 ◼ ► is amazing i'm going to vote for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1893">TS</a>]
00:31:34 ◼ ► for the hugo award for best novel which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1894">TS</a>]
00:31:36 ◼ ► I did and it tied for that so it won [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1896">TS</a>]
00:31:41 ◼ ► Paolo Bacigalupi give me a call my votes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1901">TS</a>]
00:31:46 ◼ ► that made the difference anyway if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1906">TS</a>]
00:31:48 ◼ ► had to reread only one Paolo Bacigalupi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1908">TS</a>]
00:31:50 ◼ ► book i think the window grill is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1910">TS</a>]
00:31:51 ◼ ► clear choice unless you're a teenager in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1911">TS</a>]
00:31:56 ◼ ► yeah yeah yeahs less depressing in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1916">TS</a>]
00:32:00 ◼ ► yeah yeah but you know it comes first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1920">TS</a>]
00:32:03 ◼ ► your thoughts here are anything more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1923">TS</a>]
00:32:05 ◼ ► about the water knife before we move on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1925">TS</a>]
00:32:06 ◼ ► to seven Eve's everybody should get all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1926">TS</a>]
00:32:10 ◼ ► yeah it's fun it's hard it's hard not to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1930">TS</a>]
00:32:12 ◼ ► think about Syrian refugees and he said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1932">TS</a>]
00:32:13 ◼ ► way but yeah it is well set your again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1933">TS</a>]
00:32:15 ◼ ► this is the business the thing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1935">TS</a>]
00:32:17 ◼ ► drowned cities that he does that he does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1937">TS</a>]
00:32:19 ◼ ► again here is there is nothing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1939">TS</a>]
00:32:21 ◼ ► makes a stronger point for the plight of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1941">TS</a>]
00:32:23 ◼ ► other people in the world who are in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1943">TS</a>]
00:32:25 ◼ ► terrible situations then reading a story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1945">TS</a>]
00:32:28 ◼ ► where you are the people who are in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1948">TS</a>]
00:32:30 ◼ ► situation he does that very well and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1950">TS</a>]
00:32:32 ◼ ► it's very last thing the crisis yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1952">TS</a>]
00:32:34 ◼ ► alright so we'll move on to seven Eve's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1954">TS</a>]
00:32:40 ◼ ► final Stephenson similar symbols of 800 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1960">TS</a>]
00:32:43 ◼ ► minutes long and internet to the length [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1963">TS</a>]
00:32:45 ◼ ► of this seven Eve's is longer in then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1965">TS</a>]
00:32:49 ◼ ► the water knife in that it's 880 pages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1969">TS</a>]
00:32:52 ◼ ► long which for Neal Stephenson is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1972">TS</a>]
00:32:54 ◼ ► moderately long book it's in novella [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1974">TS</a>]
00:32:58 ◼ ► yeah that's as with many long neal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1978">TS</a>]
00:33:01 ◼ ► stephenson books there's a really great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1981">TS</a>]
00:33:03 ◼ ► 400-page novel in here that is correct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1983">TS</a>]
00:33:07 ◼ ► so hard Dave day 3 one's Dave once joked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1987">TS</a>]
00:33:12 ◼ ► about tom clancy that that it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1992">TS</a>]
00:33:13 ◼ ► basically like you know 400 pages of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1993">TS</a>]
00:33:15 ◼ ► submarine porn and you know 50 pages of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1995">TS</a>]
00:33:18 ◼ ► actual of actual story and i have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/1998">TS</a>]
00:33:21 ◼ ► admit that a lot of this book felt that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2001">TS</a>]
00:33:24 ◼ ► way to be too when I thought well if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2004">TS</a>]
00:33:25 ◼ ► I've ever trapped aboard a space station [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2005">TS</a>]
00:33:27 ◼ ► and I need to learn how to dhaka module [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2007">TS</a>]
00:33:29 ◼ ► in such a way so as I don't below set of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2009">TS</a>]
00:33:32 ◼ ► i am now fully equipped to do so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2012">TS</a>]
00:33:35 ◼ ► really be like that space station that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2015">TS</a>]
00:33:37 ◼ ► way so i agree with you and we'll come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2017">TS</a>]
00:33:38 ◼ ► back to that but first i will at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2018">TS</a>]
00:33:40 ◼ ► say what the seventies is seven Eve's is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2020">TS</a>]
00:33:42 ◼ ► a novel in which a mysterious agent that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2022">TS</a>]
00:33:45 ◼ ► is never really describe blows up the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2025">TS</a>]
00:33:47 ◼ ► moon and the moon slowly is coming apart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2027">TS</a>]
00:33:49 ◼ ► and they and scientists realized that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2029">TS</a>]
00:33:51 ◼ ► this isn't just like it's a bummer i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2031">TS</a>]
00:33:53 ◼ ► like the moon it was it was pretty in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2033">TS</a>]
00:33:54 ◼ ► the sky that the man at the moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2034">TS</a>]
00:33:57 ◼ ► debris is going to fall at similar to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2037">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► other apocalypse books that we've read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:02 ◼ ► perhaps the last policeman is down there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2042">TS</a>]
00:34:04 ◼ ► while this is all going on in a year to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2044">TS</a>]
00:34:08 ◼ ► basically it's going to be what's called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2048">TS</a>]
00:34:10 ◼ ► the white sky which is when all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2050">TS</a>]
00:34:11 ◼ ► debris is going to basically re-enter or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2051">TS</a>]
00:34:16 ◼ ► and the earth is gonna catch on fire and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2056">TS</a>]
00:34:19 ◼ ► it's going to be uninhabitable for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2059">TS</a>]
00:34:20 ◼ ► hundreds of years and I it's the story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2060">TS</a>]
00:34:24 ◼ ► of the people on the International Space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2064">TS</a>]
00:34:27 ◼ ► Station and its successor modules and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2067">TS</a>]
00:34:31 ◼ ► how they try to figure out how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2071">TS</a>]
00:34:33 ◼ ► survive and keep the human race alive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2073">TS</a>]
00:34:34 ◼ ► even when the earth is going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2074">TS</a>]
00:34:36 ◼ ► boiled and that is the premise of 70 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2076">TS</a>]
00:34:40 ◼ ► years it spends most of its time in in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2080">TS</a>]
00:34:44 ◼ ► however and we'll get to this there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2084">TS</a>]
00:34:46 ◼ ► that there is a a a point at which the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2086">TS</a>]
00:34:49 ◼ ► book shifts and then I I've described [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2089">TS</a>]
00:34:53 ◼ ► this to several people as being a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2093">TS</a>]
00:34:54 ◼ ► trilogy in one book because it's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2094">TS</a>]
00:34:58 ◼ ► like that there's kind of the what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2098">TS</a>]
00:35:00 ◼ ► happens before humanity is boiled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2100">TS</a>]
00:35:03 ◼ ► there's the we're working in space after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2103">TS</a>]
00:35:05 ◼ ► the earth has boiled in order to try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2105">TS</a>]
00:35:07 ◼ ► keep everything together and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2107">TS</a>]
00:35:09 ◼ ► there's the third part which again will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2109">TS</a>]
00:35:10 ◼ ► get to so that 70 was it is widescreen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2110">TS</a>]
00:35:13 ◼ ► there's a lot going on and to lisa's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2113">TS</a>]
00:35:17 ◼ ► yes Neal Stephenson is a very good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2117">TS</a>]
00:35:19 ◼ ► writer and he's very good at making his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2119">TS</a>]
00:35:21 ◼ ► digressions interesting which every time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2121">TS</a>]
00:35:23 ◼ ► he would get me and I'd be like five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2123">TS</a>]
00:35:26 ◼ ► Stephenson you made this interesting how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2126">TS</a>]
00:35:28 ◼ ► did you do that because this has nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2128">TS</a>]
00:35:31 ◼ ► and why am I reading this you're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2131">TS</a>]
00:35:32 ◼ ► showing your work but well here's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2132">TS</a>]
00:35:35 ◼ ► thing but then in this book and I i I'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2135">TS</a>]
00:35:38 ◼ ► say more than in other books of his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2138">TS</a>]
00:35:40 ◼ ► there were times where I felt like he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2140">TS</a>]
00:35:42 ◼ ► was literally just putting things in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2142">TS</a>]
00:35:44 ◼ ► because he had done the work and those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2144">TS</a>]
00:35:47 ◼ ► where was like you know I mean you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2147">TS</a>]
00:35:49 ◼ ► either he did himself or he hired [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2149">TS</a>]
00:35:51 ◼ ► somebody to do the or orbital mechanics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2151">TS</a>]
00:35:52 ◼ ► or to come up with the how the rocket [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2152">TS</a>]
00:35:55 ◼ ► needs to fire in order to go in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2155">TS</a>]
00:35:57 ◼ ► orbit out of the Lagrange point we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2157">TS</a>]
00:35:59 ◼ ► got a lot about Lagrange points and get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2159">TS</a>]
00:36:01 ◼ ► to the comment that we're going to bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2161">TS</a>]
00:36:03 ◼ ► back and all of that and that was you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2163">TS</a>]
00:36:06 ◼ ► digressions I can support you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2166">TS</a>]
00:36:08 ◼ ► what's really funny to me is that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2168">TS</a>]
00:36:10 ◼ ► actually found the digressions in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2170">TS</a>]
00:36:11 ◼ ► book far less annoying than readii his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2171">TS</a>]
00:36:14 ◼ ► previous novel of although i think what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2174">TS</a>]
00:36:17 ◼ ► well do you fuck do you find orbital [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2177">TS</a>]
00:36:19 ◼ ► orbital mechanics more interesting than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2179">TS</a>]
00:36:22 ◼ ► yeah with like I'm going to say that my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2182">TS</a>]
00:36:25 ◼ ► image garden space probably biases b2b [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2185">TS</a>]
00:36:29 ◼ ► like i don't i know nothing about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2189">TS</a>]
00:36:30 ◼ ► orbital mechanics and i do not have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2190">TS</a>]
00:36:32 ◼ ► math to make have orbital mechanics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2192">TS</a>]
00:36:34 ◼ ► makes sense but the digressions although [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2194">TS</a>]
00:36:37 ◼ ► again towards third part got a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2197">TS</a>]
00:36:39 ◼ ► crazy in the first two parts i actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2199">TS</a>]
00:36:42 ◼ ► didn't mind it because it was very much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2202">TS</a>]
00:36:44 ◼ ► like yeah I want to know how we're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2204">TS</a>]
00:36:46 ◼ ► solve this problem this impossible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2206">TS</a>]
00:36:48 ◼ ► problem that is impossible to solve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2208">TS</a>]
00:36:50 ◼ ► yeah I want to know about the crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2210">TS</a>]
00:36:51 ◼ ► lottery process for sending people up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2211">TS</a>]
00:36:53 ◼ ► from every country and going to visit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2213">TS</a>]
00:36:56 ◼ ► some obscure i forget what I think Asian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2216">TS</a>]
00:37:00 ◼ ► country that they go and visit is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2220">TS</a>]
00:37:03 ◼ ► bhutan yeah baton sorry I'm when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2223">TS</a>]
00:37:08 ◼ ► distributes for the Hunger Games I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2228">TS</a>]
00:37:12 ◼ ► yeah volunteer yeah but no I'm engine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2232">TS</a>]
00:37:17 ◼ ► you this is two very good halves and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2237">TS</a>]
00:37:24 ◼ ► oh very good have so that I liked her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2244">TS</a>]
00:37:27 ◼ ► look man again well she had an accident [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2247">TS</a>]
00:37:30 ◼ ► so book axis 4.0 the trillions what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2250">TS</a>]
00:37:34 ◼ ► you're saying there's two weeks the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2254">TS</a>]
00:37:35 ◼ ► trilogy seriously I don't see it as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2255">TS</a>]
00:37:38 ◼ ► trilogy I see it as one really long book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2258">TS</a>]
00:37:41 ◼ ► and then a weird epilogue that just goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2261">TS</a>]
00:37:45 ◼ ► epilogue not even novelist enough fella [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2265">TS</a>]
00:37:48 ◼ ► it's just weird and I think that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2268">TS</a>]
00:37:50 ◼ ► I'm gonna run come back and tell dave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2270">TS</a>]
00:37:53 ◼ ► and reminders kinda like everyday get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2273">TS</a>]
00:37:55 ◼ ► and ya know if it so so what we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2275">TS</a>]
00:37:58 ◼ ► talking about it again if if you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2278">TS</a>]
00:38:00 ◼ ► want to be well don't listen to podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2280">TS</a>]
00:38:02 ◼ ► with my god what are you doing I'm i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2282">TS</a>]
00:38:04 ◼ ► haven't read all 880 pages yet what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2284">TS</a>]
00:38:06 ◼ ► good as I'm as i'm reading seven Eve's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2286">TS</a>]
00:38:09 ◼ ► I'm thinking to myself there is no way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2289">TS</a>]
00:38:13 ◼ ► that Neal Stephenson is not going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2293">TS</a>]
00:38:15 ◼ ► able to write 5,000 years later there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2295">TS</a>]
00:38:19 ◼ ► no way you've set up this thing where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2299">TS</a>]
00:38:21 ◼ ► they're going to wait five thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2301">TS</a>]
00:38:22 ◼ ► years in order to find out if there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2302">TS</a>]
00:38:24 ◼ ► anybody left alive on earth no writer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2304">TS</a>]
00:38:26 ◼ ► gets going to set that up and not be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2306">TS</a>]
00:38:27 ◼ ► able to pull the trigger and paying off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2307">TS</a>]
00:38:29 ◼ ► so I was well prepared for that moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2309">TS</a>]
00:38:31 ◼ ► and then there was and i'm like 'i up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2311">TS</a>]
00:38:34 ◼ ► and then we enter the the final phase of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2314">TS</a>]
00:38:38 ◼ ► the book which is a wholly different set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2318">TS</a>]
00:38:40 ◼ ► of characters but descended from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2320">TS</a>]
00:38:42 ◼ ► characters we know and they have crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2322">TS</a>]
00:38:47 ◼ ► repopulating the earth with its own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2327">TS</a>]
00:38:49 ◼ ► showing the research of like how do we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2329">TS</a>]
00:38:51 ◼ ► get the ring to be there in the city is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2331">TS</a>]
00:38:54 ◼ ► any thoughts about that part of the bow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2334">TS</a>]
00:38:56 ◼ ► madness the part of the last third that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2336">TS</a>]
00:38:59 ◼ ► I like all the crazy giant machines what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2339">TS</a>]
00:39:02 ◼ ► annoyed me and this is a spoiler is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2342">TS</a>]
00:39:04 ◼ ► people actually survived on the earth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2344">TS</a>]
00:39:07 ◼ ► and it crazily it's the people that were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2347">TS</a>]
00:39:10 ◼ ► on the earth before that we're talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2350">TS</a>]
00:39:11 ◼ ► to the people on the face that survived [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2351">TS</a>]
00:39:13 ◼ ► what oh my gosh you're not completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2353">TS</a>]
00:39:15 ◼ ► Telegraph for the whole book I mean it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2355">TS</a>]
00:39:17 ◼ ► was like telling IMA submarine we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2357">TS</a>]
00:39:21 ◼ ► I can't tell you anymore it's a secret [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2361">TS</a>]
00:39:23 ◼ ► Shh but we are going deeper and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2363">TS</a>]
00:39:25 ◼ ► well it's my selfie we are going in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2365">TS</a>]
00:39:27 ◼ ► caves we will close the door in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2367">TS</a>]
00:39:29 ◼ ► caves look for us later and then do they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2369">TS</a>]
00:39:32 ◼ ► meet the the descendants of the cave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2372">TS</a>]
00:39:36 ◼ ► yeah yes ok so you know what it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2376">TS</a>]
00:39:41 ◼ ► crazy escape of science fiction and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2381">TS</a>]
00:39:43 ◼ ► don't you know whatever my the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2383">TS</a>]
00:39:46 ◼ ► biggest tragedy for me and get mega [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2386">TS</a>]
00:39:48 ◼ ► spoiler is that our cave friends are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2388">TS</a>]
00:39:51 ◼ ► theoretically descended from Dinah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2391">TS</a>]
00:39:54 ◼ ► character in the story her father who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2394">TS</a>]
00:39:58 ◼ ► have been basically introduced to and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2398">TS</a>]
00:40:00 ◼ ► fact one of the motion most emotional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2400">TS</a>]
00:40:05 ◼ ► and yeah the the more sources whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2405">TS</a>]
00:40:07 ◼ ► when they're just saying when they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2407">TS</a>]
00:40:09 ◼ ► saying yeah cute security of my god i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2409">TS</a>]
00:40:11 ◼ ► was i was doing on that but she sent me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2411">TS</a>]
00:40:14 ◼ ► a little more code messages to her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2414">TS</a>]
00:40:15 ◼ ► father from the space station and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2415">TS</a>]
00:40:22 ◼ ► wonderful moment and they build up Rufus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2422">TS</a>]
00:40:24 ◼ ► to be this wonderful human-like very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2424">TS</a>]
00:40:28 ◼ ► human essence of like old world humanity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2428">TS</a>]
00:40:34 ◼ ► yeah his descendants are all the worst [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2434">TS</a>]
00:40:36 ◼ ► of old-world humanity and assholes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2436">TS</a>]
00:40:38 ◼ ► probably rape their children and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2438">TS</a>]
00:40:41 ◼ ► know do horrible things to their young [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2441">TS</a>]
00:40:44 ◼ ► it was just it it felt so like such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2444">TS</a>]
00:40:48 ◼ ► betrayal of that of that character and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2448">TS</a>]
00:40:51 ◼ ► that family relationship and what I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2451">TS</a>]
00:40:53 ◼ ► pictured of that family relationship for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2453">TS</a>]
00:40:55 ◼ ► the first thousand pages of the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2455">TS</a>]
00:40:58 ◼ ► that I that I almost stopped reading at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2458">TS</a>]
00:41:00 ◼ ► that point because i was just like no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2460">TS</a>]
00:41:02 ◼ ► this is you know what I don't care that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2462">TS</a>]
00:41:05 ◼ ► descendants back fine whatever it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2465">TS</a>]
00:41:07 ◼ ► it's fantasy but to to ruin that carrot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2467">TS</a>]
00:41:11 ◼ ► I don't know it felt like it felt like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2471">TS</a>]
00:41:12 ◼ ► ruining that that arc it felt like no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2472">TS</a>]
00:41:16 ◼ ► sorry if you go into a cave the bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2476">TS</a>]
00:41:18 ◼ ► people when the end although he did try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2478">TS</a>]
00:41:21 ◼ ► to explain or mansplain depending on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2481">TS</a>]
00:41:24 ◼ ► your Christmas did try to explain away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2484">TS</a>]
00:41:26 ◼ ► by saying listen when you're in a cave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2486">TS</a>]
00:41:27 ◼ ► with limited resources you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2487">TS</a>]
00:41:29 ◼ ► become fanatical about reproduction and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2489">TS</a>]
00:41:31 ◼ ► the only way to do that is to establish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2491">TS</a>]
00:41:32 ◼ ► a totalitarian regime and treat people's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2492">TS</a>]
00:41:35 ◼ ► fertility like a community like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2495">TS</a>]
00:41:36 ◼ ► communal resource and I thought to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2496">TS</a>]
00:41:39 ◼ ► myself that is one way of doing it yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2499">TS</a>]
00:41:42 ◼ ► but you don't like serenity I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2502">TS</a>]
00:41:45 ◼ ► it's disappointing that humanity on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2505">TS</a>]
00:41:48 ◼ ► grounds on the ground find you seem to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2508">TS</a>]
00:41:51 ◼ ► devolve to to this the stark patriarchal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2511">TS</a>]
00:41:54 ◼ ► tribalism where was his first ask [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2514">TS</a>]
00:41:56 ◼ ► questions later I found myself wishing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2516">TS</a>]
00:41:58 ◼ ► that perhaps instead of like touching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2518">TS</a>]
00:42:02 ◼ ► Oh quelle coincidence deines descendants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2522">TS</a>]
00:42:06 ◼ ► like it would have been interesting to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2526">TS</a>]
00:42:08 ◼ ► see if some other miners in other parts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2528">TS</a>]
00:42:10 ◼ ► of the world that are famous for their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2530">TS</a>]
00:42:11 ◼ ► mining industries would have had the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2531">TS</a>]
00:42:12 ◼ ► same idea and then you would have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2532">TS</a>]
00:42:14 ◼ ► dealing with people who didn't have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2534">TS</a>]
00:42:17 ◼ ► action because a lot what I thought so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2537">TS</a>]
00:42:21 ◼ ► really just like a lot of part 34 a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2541">TS</a>]
00:42:23 ◼ ► of reasons but one of the things I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2543">TS</a>]
00:42:24 ◼ ► thought was fascinating was how they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2544">TS</a>]
00:42:25 ◼ ► basically made a religion of the seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2545">TS</a>]
00:42:27 ◼ ► Eve's by ceaselessly looping the footage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2547">TS</a>]
00:42:31 ◼ ► Andrea indoctrinating people constantly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2551">TS</a>]
00:42:33 ◼ ► by having them see Stephenson seems to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2553">TS</a>]
00:42:36 ◼ ► labor under the sweet delusion that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2556">TS</a>]
00:42:38 ◼ ► people only have all the facts they'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2558">TS</a>]
00:42:40 ◼ ► act reasonably and come to some quarter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2560">TS</a>]
00:42:44 ◼ ► delusion is like on full on display in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2564">TS</a>]
00:42:45 ◼ ► part 3 without sin we can just watch the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2565">TS</a>]
00:42:48 ◼ ► footage we can removal ambiguity and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2568">TS</a>]
00:42:51 ◼ ► everybody comes to some sort of common [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2571">TS</a>]
00:42:52 ◼ ► cultural candidates to have these people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2572">TS</a>]
00:42:54 ◼ ► behaved with each other and I I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2574">TS</a>]
00:42:57 ◼ ► it was really interesting how facts have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2577">TS</a>]
00:43:00 ◼ ► out how the worship of factual narrative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2580">TS</a>]
00:43:02 ◼ ► has become a religious a religious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2582">TS</a>]
00:43:05 ◼ ► belief system for these people 5,000 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2585">TS</a>]
00:43:07 ◼ ► years hence you know what i find really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2587">TS</a>]
00:43:09 ◼ ► interesting there actually is that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2589">TS</a>]
00:43:11 ◼ ► think Stephenson is even playing on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2591">TS</a>]
00:43:14 ◼ ► a little bit because we get a whole we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2594">TS</a>]
00:43:16 ◼ ► get a whole bunch between Dinah and IV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2596">TS</a>]
00:43:18 ◼ ► very early on in the book basically what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2598">TS</a>]
00:43:21 ◼ ► two of the people on the space station [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2601">TS</a>]
00:43:22 ◼ ► who become two of the seven Eve's we get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2602">TS</a>]
00:43:27 ◼ ► a whole thing back and forth between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2607">TS</a>]
00:43:28 ◼ ► them about basically being on and have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2608">TS</a>]
00:43:32 ◼ ► difference between being on and being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2612">TS</a>]
00:43:34 ◼ ► ourselves and there's a difference then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2614">TS</a>]
00:43:36 ◼ ► when the cameras are on and when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2616">TS</a>]
00:43:38 ◼ ► station cameras are rolling and when we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2618">TS</a>]
00:43:42 ◼ ► and i love the idea of like I maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2622">TS</a>]
00:43:45 ◼ ► maybe it was completely out of his head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2625">TS</a>]
00:43:46 ◼ ► by the time that this was written but to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2626">TS</a>]
00:43:48 ◼ ► me it feels very much like someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2628">TS</a>]
00:43:50 ◼ ► picking up you know the bachelor a lost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2630">TS</a>]
00:43:55 ◼ ► paradise or something and being like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2635">TS</a>]
00:43:57 ◼ ► these are our descendants we must listen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2637">TS</a>]
00:43:59 ◼ ► to every single word they say and find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2639">TS</a>]
00:44:02 ◼ ► some meaning i would absolutely read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2642">TS</a>]
00:44:04 ◼ ► science fiction novel based on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2644">TS</a>]
00:44:08 ◼ ► hilarious i would i would read that book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2648">TS</a>]
00:44:11 ◼ ► all I would look at my job doing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2651">TS</a>]
00:44:13 ◼ ► but wow that sounds phenomenal i want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2653">TS</a>]
00:44:15 ◼ ► read it now and there are a lot of slide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2655">TS</a>]
00:44:20 ◼ ► touches in there there's a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2660">TS</a>]
00:44:22 ◼ ► book there are a lot of little things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2662">TS</a>]
00:44:23 ◼ ► that I liked and kinda want to take the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2663">TS</a>]
00:44:24 ◼ ► social but about like I thought it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2664">TS</a>]
00:44:27 ◼ ► both savage and hilarious when he went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2667">TS</a>]
00:44:30 ◼ ► when the journalist who gets up there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2670">TS</a>]
00:44:33 ◼ ► introduces the idea of quote-unquote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2673">TS</a>]
00:44:34 ◼ ► soft cannibalism because to me that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2674">TS</a>]
00:44:37 ◼ ► seems like exactly the kind of idea that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2677">TS</a>]
00:44:38 ◼ ► gets paddled in vc meetings and startups [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2678">TS</a>]
00:44:40 ◼ ► and I thought wow that's a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2680">TS</a>]
00:44:42 ◼ ► vicious commentary on the whole chatter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2682">TS</a>]
00:44:45 ◼ ► on TV chattering classes thing and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2685">TS</a>]
00:44:47 ◼ ► the way that poor blockers life ended [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2687">TS</a>]
00:44:49 ◼ ► was so that's that is somebody something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2689">TS</a>]
00:44:52 ◼ ► some scores and I mean riveting to read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2692">TS</a>]
00:44:55 ◼ ► don't get me wrong but I'm like I said I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2695">TS</a>]
00:44:58 ◼ ► the big problem I had with part 3 was of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2698">TS</a>]
00:45:02 ◼ ► PTFE is existence of the the deep diving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2702">TS</a>]
00:45:05 ◼ ► species of the pingers that's right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2705">TS</a>]
00:45:08 ◼ ► that part of its like women are you see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2708">TS</a>]
00:45:10 ◼ ► how how would a bunch of people in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2710">TS</a>]
00:45:12 ◼ ► submarine have radically altered the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2712">TS</a>]
00:45:13 ◼ ► human genome to the point they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2713">TS</a>]
00:45:15 ◼ ► have had to over 5,000 years to produce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2715">TS</a>]
00:45:17 ◼ ► what is essentially a race of man seals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2717">TS</a>]
00:45:20 ◼ ► you know God at that guy like that side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2720">TS</a>]
00:45:25 ◼ ► yeah like the science like I realize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2725">TS</a>]
00:45:27 ◼ ► mind you that you know where this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2727">TS</a>]
00:45:30 ◼ ► America is a weird thing to snark about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2730">TS</a>]
00:45:32 ◼ ► in in this and especially since genetic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2732">TS</a>]
00:45:35 ◼ ► engineering does play a huge part with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2735">TS</a>]
00:45:38 ◼ ► the the races that have descended from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2738">TS</a>]
00:45:40 ◼ ► the seven Eve's but I was like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2740">TS</a>]
00:45:44 ◼ ► well-researched Aurora's carefully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2744">TS</a>]
00:45:46 ◼ ► thought-out as again all the stuff that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2746">TS</a>]
00:45:48 ◼ ► has to do with the space nerdery like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2748">TS</a>]
00:45:50 ◼ ► the space nerdery that is that is stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2750">TS</a>]
00:45:53 ◼ ► for you could probably get a boatload of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2753">TS</a>]
00:45:54 ◼ ► NASA people really like no story checks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2754">TS</a>]
00:45:57 ◼ ► um but when it came to the genetic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2757">TS</a>]
00:46:02 ◼ ► explanation for for any of it and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2762">TS</a>]
00:46:05 ◼ ► kind of bug because i thought you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2765">TS</a>]
00:46:06 ◼ ► talking about fundamentally altering a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2766">TS</a>]
00:46:08 ◼ ► human genome and you're talking about a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2768">TS</a>]
00:46:10 ◼ ► very small group of of raw material to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2770">TS</a>]
00:46:13 ◼ ► begin with and it's like I can't make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2773">TS</a>]
00:46:18 ◼ ► disbelief for it i think one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2778">TS</a>]
00:46:20 ◼ ► problems with this book is that it's i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2780">TS</a>]
00:46:23 ◼ ► not convinced that any of its science is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2783">TS</a>]
00:46:25 ◼ ► anything but ridiculous which makes it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2785">TS</a>]
00:46:27 ◼ ► lot harder to sit through the downloads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2787">TS</a>]
00:46:29 ◼ ► the fact the idea that we're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2789">TS</a>]
00:46:31 ◼ ► take kind of a retrofitted International [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2791">TS</a>]
00:46:33 ◼ ► Space Station and just put a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2793">TS</a>]
00:46:35 ◼ ► stuff up there and people are totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2795">TS</a>]
00:46:37 ◼ ► going to figure out how to survive in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2797">TS</a>]
00:46:39 ◼ ► space without any contact with earth for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2799">TS</a>]
00:46:43 ◼ ► no that's not gonna work it's not gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2803">TS</a>]
00:46:46 ◼ ► work and and he didn't prove to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2806">TS</a>]
00:46:48 ◼ ► anything that would suggest that it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2808">TS</a>]
00:46:51 ◼ ► it's sort of like lots of waving of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2811">TS</a>]
00:46:53 ◼ ► hands like no no we're resourceful we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2813">TS</a>]
00:46:55 ◼ ► figure it out like now I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2815">TS</a>]
00:46:57 ◼ ► anything you provided here would really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2817">TS</a>]
00:46:59 ◼ ► legitimately work and then the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2819">TS</a>]
00:47:02 ◼ ► that by the time you get to the midpoint [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2822">TS</a>]
00:47:04 ◼ ► of the book almost everybody has died [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2824">TS</a>]
00:47:07 ◼ ► already kind of love that actually like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2827">TS</a>]
00:47:13 ◼ ► everybody does this bien price and yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2833">TS</a>]
00:47:16 ◼ ► and no you don't get to space to get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2836">TS</a>]
00:47:18 ◼ ► nice burgundy comes back having died for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2838">TS</a>]
00:47:21 ◼ ► oh yeah that's a little i thought that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2841">TS</a>]
00:47:23 ◼ ► was kind of cool when the Elon Musk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2843">TS</a>]
00:47:24 ◼ ► analog goes to a comet and brings it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2844">TS</a>]
00:47:28 ◼ ► back but I got a lot comment yeah for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2848">TS</a>]
00:47:30 ◼ ► the other grass Tyson gets the space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2850">TS</a>]
00:47:33 ◼ ► yeah everybody gets the space cancer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2853">TS</a>]
00:47:35 ◼ ► except for except for the Carly Fiorina [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2855">TS</a>]
00:47:37 ◼ ► stand injustice a bolt through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2857">TS</a>]
00:47:40 ◼ ► tongue so there is any old deGrasse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2860">TS</a>]
00:47:44 ◼ ► Tyson analog yeah in here the daughter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2864">TS</a>]
00:47:47 ◼ ► here's a good kid alright so this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2867">TS</a>]
00:47:49 ◼ ► thing that has been bugging me about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2869">TS</a>]
00:47:49 ◼ ► this book ever since I right and can I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2869">TS</a>]
00:47:51 ◼ ► talk about with you like they have they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2871">TS</a>]
00:47:53 ◼ ► have a son i have the summit of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2873">TS</a>]
00:47:55 ◼ ► seven Eve's the the seven women who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2875">TS</a>]
00:47:57 ◼ ► literally that the last of the human [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2877">TS</a>]
00:48:03 ◼ ► yes and and one of them is just an evil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2883">TS</a>]
00:48:06 ◼ ► woman who is whoo-hoo-hoo let's face it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2886">TS</a>]
00:48:09 ◼ ► basically precipitated the crisis that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2889">TS</a>]
00:48:12 ◼ ► they find themselves and now thanks to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2892">TS</a>]
00:48:13 ◼ ► her like breaking the crater lake accord [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2893">TS</a>]
00:48:15 ◼ ► and causing a cosmic incident and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2895">TS</a>]
00:48:18 ◼ ► causing the insurrection that causes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2898">TS</a>]
00:48:19 ◼ ► them to lose all their germplasm blah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2899">TS</a>]
00:48:21 ◼ ► why on earth would you let these to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2901">TS</a>]
00:48:23 ◼ ► reproduce like why didn't anyone like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2903">TS</a>]
00:48:25 ◼ ► just without the space gun at that point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2905">TS</a>]
00:48:28 ◼ ► and go right you're out boom boom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2908">TS</a>]
00:48:29 ◼ ► okay we got five of us here let's run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2909">TS</a>]
00:48:31 ◼ ► the numbers like I just do not get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2911">TS</a>]
00:48:34 ◼ ► why do not kill Peeta and Julia when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2914">TS</a>]
00:48:37 ◼ ► get the chance what is the point to keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2917">TS</a>]
00:48:42 ◼ ► well that's true but also there were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2922">TS</a>]
00:48:44 ◼ ► what their eight there's one person who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2924">TS</a>]
00:48:45 ◼ ► was too old to me yeah i mean he's right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2925">TS</a>]
00:48:48 ◼ ► so that means they think they're the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2928">TS</a>]
00:48:49 ◼ ► last eight humans in the universe and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2929">TS</a>]
00:48:53 ◼ ► even if two of them are not so great a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2933">TS</a>]
00:48:56 ◼ ► that's that's a quarter of the human [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2936">TS</a>]
00:48:58 ◼ ► race right that you're just gonna kill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2938">TS</a>]
00:49:02 ◼ ► well yeah I mean that the holistic way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2942">TS</a>]
00:49:05 ◼ ► of looking at it and I do think I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2945">TS</a>]
00:49:07 ◼ ► think there's a very valid point there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2947">TS</a>]
00:49:08 ◼ ► especially when we do flash 5,000 years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2948">TS</a>]
00:49:11 ◼ ► later it's like oh yeah these guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2951">TS</a>]
00:49:15 ◼ ► interesting with yeah that's right of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2955">TS</a>]
00:49:17 ◼ ► course it's an it's a rice it's a race [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2957">TS</a>]
00:49:19 ◼ ► bread of the aggressors and cannibals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2959">TS</a>]
00:49:21 ◼ ► when you expect like I am all for nature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2961">TS</a>]
00:49:24 ◼ ► over nurture over nature and all of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2964">TS</a>]
00:49:30 ◼ ► rationalize it is Scott's thing where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2970">TS</a>]
00:49:32 ◼ ► it's like these like these women as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2972">TS</a>]
00:49:34 ◼ ► crazy as they are have been through so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2974">TS</a>]
00:49:37 ◼ ► much together that there's just there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2977">TS</a>]
00:49:39 ◼ ► a at this point and line in the sand I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2979">TS</a>]
00:49:41 ◼ ► mean Dinah's pretty much ready to blow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2981">TS</a>]
00:49:43 ◼ ► everybody up at the end anyway I just be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2983">TS</a>]
00:49:45 ◼ ► like I we don't we don't deserve it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2985">TS</a>]
00:49:50 ◼ ► interesting thing if but then what that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2990">TS</a>]
00:49:52 ◼ ► does is 5,000 years later like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2992">TS</a>]
00:49:54 ◼ ► people come out of there came an Alaskan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2994">TS</a>]
00:49:56 ◼ ► like crap nobody has bothered prepping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2996">TS</a>]
00:49:58 ◼ ► the atmosphere that last two tests and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2998">TS</a>]
00:49:59 ◼ ► here's real steel hose to go back inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/2999">TS</a>]
00:50:03 ◼ ► and your eyes the encyclopedia is my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3003">TS</a>]
00:50:05 ◼ ► love sonar tax law so our tracks Liza [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3005">TS</a>]
00:50:08 ◼ ► door so that I anyways he's probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3008">TS</a>]
00:50:11 ◼ ► been raped by the creepy Bollman yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3011">TS</a>]
00:50:13 ◼ ► but she's found true love with ms yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3013">TS</a>]
00:50:18 ◼ ► knowledge of many subjects between smt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3018">TS</a>]
00:50:21 ◼ ► yeah between sonar in tax on her hand up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3021">TS</a>]
00:50:25 ◼ ► it was interesting how they balanced out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3025">TS</a>]
00:50:27 ◼ ► the devolution from a written culture to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3027">TS</a>]
00:50:29 ◼ ► an oral culture to I thought I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3029">TS</a>]
00:50:30 ◼ ► that part was pretty I was like okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3030">TS</a>]
00:50:34 ◼ ► communication scholar because they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3034">TS</a>]
00:50:37 ◼ ► differences in language differences [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3037">TS</a>]
00:50:39 ◼ ► between oral cultures and written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3039">TS</a>]
00:50:41 ◼ ► cultures and how you transmit pass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3041">TS</a>]
00:50:43 ◼ ► information down he got that right part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3043">TS</a>]
00:50:46 ◼ ► of my beef and I i just put this on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3046">TS</a>]
00:50:47 ◼ ► Twitter chatter is Sharia stepper wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3047">TS</a>]
00:50:50 ◼ ► this fantastic book back in 1996 called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3050">TS</a>]
00:50:52 ◼ ► Gibbons decline and fall which science [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3052">TS</a>]
00:50:56 ◼ ► fiction as with a lot of her books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3056">TS</a>]
00:50:57 ◼ ► reproductive freedom is one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3057">TS</a>]
00:50:59 ◼ ► predominant platico through it and at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3059">TS</a>]
00:51:02 ◼ ► the end the protagonist is handed six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3062">TS</a>]
00:51:07 ◼ ► and said ok you can figure out how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3067">TS</a>]
00:51:09 ◼ ► guarantee the reproduction of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3069">TS</a>]
00:51:10 ◼ ► species one it's business as usual usual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3070">TS</a>]
00:51:12 ◼ ► to its parthenogenesis three and and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3072">TS</a>]
00:51:16 ◼ ► ideas that she has to pick the future of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3076">TS</a>]
00:51:18 ◼ ► the species and I I couldn't stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3078">TS</a>]
00:51:20 ◼ ► thinking about that scene in that book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3080">TS</a>]
00:51:22 ◼ ► during that the summit of the seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3082">TS</a>]
00:51:24 ◼ ► Eve's plus Louisa because i thought wow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3084">TS</a>]
00:51:26 ◼ ► this was done a lot better by Carrie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3086">TS</a>]
00:51:29 ◼ ► temper 20 years or so and that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3089">TS</a>]
00:51:33 ◼ ► enough actually points to another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3093">TS</a>]
00:51:35 ◼ ► problem i have with the whole oh and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3095">TS</a>]
00:51:37 ◼ ► here's how we manage to five thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3097">TS</a>]
00:51:39 ◼ ► years of culture in our little space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3099">TS</a>]
00:51:40 ◼ ► structures and we now have what amounts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3100">TS</a>]
00:51:43 ◼ ► to the US and Soviet relations and so on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3103">TS</a>]
00:51:45 ◼ ► and so forth is um John Varley who we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3105">TS</a>]
00:51:47 ◼ ► have discussed in earlier apocalypse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3107">TS</a>]
00:51:50 ◼ ► type book clubs back in the seventies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3110">TS</a>]
00:51:53 ◼ ► John Varley what a novel called the OPG [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3113">TS</a>]
00:51:55 ◼ ► hotline and the premise was that a bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3115">TS</a>]
00:51:59 ◼ ► of aliens watched how humans were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3119">TS</a>]
00:52:01 ◼ ► treating other species and said okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3121">TS</a>]
00:52:03 ◼ ► right we're on the dolphins and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3123">TS</a>]
00:52:04 ◼ ► Whale side here and then managed to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3124">TS</a>]
00:52:07 ◼ ► neutralize all human technology to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3127">TS</a>]
00:52:09 ◼ ► attempt to cleanse the earth of humans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3129">TS</a>]
00:52:11 ◼ ► and the only people who could the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3131">TS</a>]
00:52:15 ◼ ► the only people who survived four people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3135">TS</a>]
00:52:16 ◼ ► on a space station and they colonize the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3136">TS</a>]
00:52:19 ◼ ► column is the moon and then Charlie has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3139">TS</a>]
00:52:23 ◼ ► a whole host of short stories and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3143">TS</a>]
00:52:24 ◼ ► couple more novels about Lunar Society [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3144">TS</a>]
00:52:27 ◼ ► lunar culture and they are fantastically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3147">TS</a>]
00:52:32 ◼ ► perspective and it culminates in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3152">TS</a>]
00:52:34 ◼ ► novel steel Beach which talks about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3154">TS</a>]
00:52:36 ◼ ► depression that people have when you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3156">TS</a>]
00:52:39 ◼ ► raised in an environment that you simply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3159">TS</a>]
00:52:41 ◼ ► haven't evolved to and I thought well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3161">TS</a>]
00:52:44 ◼ ► you know if they've already got the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3164">TS</a>]
00:52:45 ◼ ► genetic engineering going on with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3165">TS</a>]
00:52:46 ◼ ► races at the seven Eve's why don't they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3166">TS</a>]
00:52:49 ◼ ► talk a little bit more explicitly about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3169">TS</a>]
00:52:51 ◼ ► what it would take to evolve us to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3171">TS</a>]
00:52:54 ◼ ► two of all human beings to the point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3174">TS</a>]
00:52:55 ◼ ► where they're totally okay living in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3175">TS</a>]
00:52:57 ◼ ► world that that literally does not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3177">TS</a>]
00:52:59 ◼ ► paying any of the Paleolithic cuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3179">TS</a>]
00:53:00 ◼ ► buttons we had installed like there were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3180">TS</a>]
00:53:02 ◼ ► a few illusions here and there with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3182">TS</a>]
00:53:04 ◼ ► calf to and how she was suffering from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3184">TS</a>]
00:53:06 ◼ ► sensory overload when she was gliding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3186">TS</a>]
00:53:07 ◼ ► around stuff like that but again it felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3187">TS</a>]
00:53:11 ◼ ► interest him enough to answer or like he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3191">TS</a>]
00:53:14 ◼ ► didn't even think about it and I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3194">TS</a>]
00:53:15 ◼ ► kept thinking how Farley did this better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3195">TS</a>]
00:53:17 ◼ ► earlier and that's not a good sign when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3197">TS</a>]
00:53:19 ◼ ► you're reading an absorbing 900-page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3199">TS</a>]
00:53:22 ◼ ► read it read it read it seen them since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3202">TS</a>]
00:53:24 ◼ ► done it's been done better here you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3204">TS</a>]
00:53:26 ◼ ► about you suggested that you you liked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3206">TS</a>]
00:53:30 ◼ ► the end part so I'm a big fan of space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3210">TS</a>]
00:53:33 ◼ ► opera and so this is you know when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3213">TS</a>]
00:53:35 ◼ ► they're he's talking about these giant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3215">TS</a>]
00:53:37 ◼ ► space rings and I like reading about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3217">TS</a>]
00:53:43 ◼ ► military science fiction because a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3223">TS</a>]
00:53:45 ◼ ► of time is spent lavished on hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3225">TS</a>]
00:53:46 ◼ ► right there's a lot of that they're so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3226">TS</a>]
00:53:49 ◼ ► there's a lot of that and the third part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3229">TS</a>]
00:53:51 ◼ ► there's a lot of the first and second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3231">TS</a>]
00:53:52 ◼ ► part but that's more you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3232">TS</a>]
00:53:53 ◼ ► current technology plus a lot of chain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3233">TS</a>]
00:53:57 ◼ ► physics which I didn't find all having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3237">TS</a>]
00:53:58 ◼ ► fascinating but I think Neal Stephenson [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3238">TS</a>]
00:54:02 ◼ ► clearly he does so but i thought i liked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3242">TS</a>]
00:54:06 ◼ ► the the first part the most i think when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3246">TS</a>]
00:54:09 ◼ ► they're you know neil degrasse tyson was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3249">TS</a>]
00:54:11 ◼ ► trying to figure out what what it means [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3251">TS</a>]
00:54:13 ◼ ► that the moon has exploded and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3253">TS</a>]
00:54:15 ◼ ► figures that he's horrified that's your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3255">TS</a>]
00:54:17 ◼ ► disaster story right that's your classic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3257">TS</a>]
00:54:19 ◼ ► disaster story parts portion of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3259">TS</a>]
00:54:22 ◼ ► yes I thought that was the best part if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3262">TS</a>]
00:54:23 ◼ ► I would have but now i'm going to rank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3263">TS</a>]
00:54:25 ◼ ► the parts i agree with the first part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3265">TS</a>]
00:54:26 ◼ ► was the best part the second part was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3266">TS</a>]
00:54:28 ◼ ► the second best part and the third part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3268">TS</a>]
00:54:30 ◼ ► i was the third best part III the third [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3270">TS</a>]
00:54:34 ◼ ► hurts me to 5th or 6th best part really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3274">TS</a>]
00:54:36 ◼ ► come yeah I you know I like to I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3276">TS</a>]
00:54:39 ◼ ► the third part but i think really that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3279">TS</a>]
00:54:42 ◼ ► renders comments about it are right on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3282">TS</a>]
00:54:45 ◼ ► which is I think it's actually more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3285">TS</a>]
00:54:47 ◼ ► problematic when you're thinking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3287">TS</a>]
00:54:48 ◼ ► the direction it's pointed from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3288">TS</a>]
00:54:50 ◼ ► first two parts and thinking about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3290">TS</a>]
00:54:52 ◼ ► the families of these various people i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3292">TS</a>]
00:54:54 ◼ ► thought it was interesting I thought it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3294">TS</a>]
00:54:55 ◼ ► went on too long and had way too much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3295">TS</a>]
00:54:58 ◼ ► detail on how the various objects that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3298">TS</a>]
00:55:01 ◼ ► have been built around the earth work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3301">TS</a>]
00:55:03 ◼ ► but that's again i feel like i like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3303">TS</a>]
00:55:05 ◼ ► everything you did your email Stephenson [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3305">TS</a>]
00:55:06 ◼ ► he's just gonna show his work he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3306">TS</a>]
00:55:10 ◼ ► going to show his work in a lot of ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3310">TS</a>]
00:55:11 ◼ ► that you don't yeah he doesn't do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3311">TS</a>]
00:55:13 ◼ ► grocery store list that going to like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3313">TS</a>]
00:55:14 ◼ ► two-page digression on the mechanics of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3314">TS</a>]
00:55:16 ◼ ► refrigeration and how grocery stores [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3316">TS</a>]
00:55:18 ◼ ► came to be because it's an interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3318">TS</a>]
00:55:19 ◼ ► story and i like that in general and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3319">TS</a>]
00:55:25 ◼ ► also i like he so the chain thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3325">TS</a>]
00:55:27 ◼ ► thought was annoying but he did thread [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3327">TS</a>]
00:55:30 ◼ ► every part had a part with the chain you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3330">TS</a>]
00:55:33 ◼ ► know they had weapons that were were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3333">TS</a>]
00:55:34 ◼ ► based on that chain thing and part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3334">TS</a>]
00:55:36 ◼ ► the whole giant megastructures part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3336">TS</a>]
00:55:38 ◼ ► changed so he put it through which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3338">TS</a>]
00:55:40 ◼ ► appreciated i did still think it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3340">TS</a>]
00:55:42 ◼ ► annoying but I appreciate the work you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3342">TS</a>]
00:55:44 ◼ ► did you put in there that that's why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3344">TS</a>]
00:55:46 ◼ ► usually avoid deal Stevenson was at his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3346">TS</a>]
00:55:50 ◼ ► I find him to be a slog so I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3350">TS</a>]
00:55:53 ◼ ► think this was some of his best now and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3353">TS</a>]
00:55:55 ◼ ► I mean justjust contrasting the two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3355">TS</a>]
00:55:57 ◼ ► books the water knife i read in about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3357">TS</a>]
00:56:00 ◼ ► seventy-two hours and this took me about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3360">TS</a>]
00:56:02 ◼ ► two and a half weeks you know about Izzy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3362">TS</a>]
00:56:04 ◼ ► times longer than the white is 80 so but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3364">TS</a>]
00:56:07 ◼ ► actually sitting down saying i have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3367">TS</a>]
00:56:11 ◼ ► keep reading this because i'm going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3371">TS</a>]
00:56:13 ◼ ► talk about it and where is put the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3373">TS</a>]
00:56:15 ◼ ► one was like I want to find out what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3375">TS</a>]
00:56:17 ◼ ► happens and you know again it was you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3377">TS</a>]
00:56:19 ◼ ► know been there done that read that seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3379">TS</a>]
00:56:22 ◼ ► that you know and and I kept coming back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3382">TS</a>]
00:56:25 ◼ ► to a julienne may if you want to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3385">TS</a>]
00:56:27 ◼ ► someone handle while families across [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3387">TS</a>]
00:56:31 ◼ ► that was memorizing zip years are you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3391">TS</a>]
00:56:34 ◼ ► get our dynasty yeah oh my god yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3394">TS</a>]
00:56:37 ◼ ► those books yeah yeah that's that's good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3397">TS</a>]
00:56:40 ◼ ► so this was sort of like oh you came up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3400">TS</a>]
00:56:43 ◼ ► with a palindrome good job I wife and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3403">TS</a>]
00:56:47 ◼ ► think you're right there is a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3407">TS</a>]
00:56:48 ◼ ► good novel hidden inside here it is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3408">TS</a>]
00:56:50 ◼ ► last policeman ok i enjoyed this book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3410">TS</a>]
00:56:55 ◼ ► and I read a couple of interviews with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3415">TS</a>]
00:56:57 ◼ ► Stephenson and he his goal and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3417">TS</a>]
00:57:00 ◼ ► that he has a group of science fiction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3420">TS</a>]
00:57:01 ◼ ► authors that he's buddy-buddy with who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3421">TS</a>]
00:57:03 ◼ ► all think that people have lost sight of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3423">TS</a>]
00:57:06 ◼ ► trying to do big challenges and do big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3426">TS</a>]
00:57:09 ◼ ► science so this was kind of his clarion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3429">TS</a>]
00:57:11 ◼ ► call to have big ideas so he wrote this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3431">TS</a>]
00:57:14 ◼ ► big epic swimming thing which I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3434">TS</a>]
00:57:16 ◼ ► talk speaks a little bit to the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3436">TS</a>]
00:57:18 ◼ ► that he kind of the people don't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3438">TS</a>]
00:57:20 ◼ ► matter because they are banding together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3440">TS</a>]
00:57:21 ◼ ► to solve this giant problem and it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3441">TS</a>]
00:57:24 ◼ ► about individuals and I understand you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3444">TS</a>]
00:57:26 ◼ ► know i agree with you Lisa in that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3446">TS</a>]
00:57:30 ◼ ► interesting when you have a character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3450">TS</a>]
00:57:32 ◼ ► that you kind of feel invested in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3452">TS</a>]
00:57:34 ◼ ► can humanize but i don't think i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3454">TS</a>]
00:57:36 ◼ ► it was a conscious decision on his point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3456">TS</a>]
00:57:41 ◼ ► or not that makes it good or bad I won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3461">TS</a>]
00:57:42 ◼ ► yeah I read some interviews right he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3462">TS</a>]
00:57:44 ◼ ► said the same thing he's all yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3464">TS</a>]
00:57:45 ◼ ► wanted to bring back this commitment to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3465">TS</a>]
00:57:47 ◼ ► ideas that science fiction can inspire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3467">TS</a>]
00:57:49 ◼ ► people to do big ideas and I thought to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3469">TS</a>]
00:57:52 ◼ ► myself yeah characters are important and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3472">TS</a>]
00:57:54 ◼ ► he you know people can unite around an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3474">TS</a>]
00:57:55 ◼ ► idea i thought yeah but you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3475">TS</a>]
00:57:56 ◼ ► that was called that one's called the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3476">TS</a>]
00:57:57 ◼ ► Martian when you know where everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3477">TS</a>]
00:57:59 ◼ ► United around the idea of bringing home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3479">TS</a>]
00:58:00 ◼ ► those dudes stranded on Mars so maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3480">TS</a>]
00:58:03 ◼ ► maybe it is possible to advocate for big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3483">TS</a>]
00:58:06 ◼ ► ideas while remembering that ideas are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3486">TS</a>]
00:58:08 ◼ ► only successful when you can figure out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3488">TS</a>]
00:58:10 ◼ ► how to how to have put humanity into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3490">TS</a>]
00:58:12 ◼ ► picture because they're the ones execute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3492">TS</a>]
00:58:14 ◼ ► the ideas if you know anyone character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3494">TS</a>]
00:58:16 ◼ ► in the Martian you can you cannot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3496">TS</a>]
00:58:18 ◼ ► potatoes you can you go right now in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3498">TS</a>]
00:58:20 ◼ ► other words that's that are full of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3500">TS</a>]
00:58:21 ◼ ► ideas but you have to have a story that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3501">TS</a>]
00:58:23 ◼ ► makes people want to rally around those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3503">TS</a>]
00:58:25 ◼ ► ideas and I think that's one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3505">TS</a>]
00:58:27 ◼ ► places where Stevens and often struggles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3507">TS</a>]
00:58:29 ◼ ► is that that that's when he is i'm going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3509">TS</a>]
00:58:30 ◼ ► to show you how I did all this work and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3510">TS</a>]
00:58:32 ◼ ► again I think he's so talented that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3512">TS</a>]
00:58:34 ◼ ► can often pull it pull it off but I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3514">TS</a>]
00:58:37 ◼ ► think that i think it's a challenge in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3517">TS</a>]
00:58:39 ◼ ► and in this case I you know I read it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3519">TS</a>]
00:58:43 ◼ ► I read it relatively quickly these are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3523">TS</a>]
00:58:46 ◼ ► all things go in the back panties are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3526">TS</a>]
00:58:48 ◼ ► coming i read it all home i mean i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3528">TS</a>]
00:58:51 ◼ ► didn't i didn't know how to run it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3531">TS</a>]
00:58:52 ◼ ► in fact I read it fairly quickly so we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3532">TS</a>]
00:58:54 ◼ ► passed to the test but that all said I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3534">TS</a>]
00:58:57 ◼ ► found myself kind of squinting and being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3537">TS</a>]
00:59:00 ◼ ► like really deal Stephenson way more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3540">TS</a>]
00:59:03 ◼ ► than I usually do in his book and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3543">TS</a>]
00:59:05 ◼ ► that for me I have to say I was kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3545">TS</a>]
00:59:06 ◼ ► disappointed even though there's a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3546">TS</a>]
00:59:08 ◼ ► there's a lot of great stuff in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3548">TS</a>]
00:59:09 ◼ ► book it's just a really big book and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3549">TS</a>]
00:59:11 ◼ ► there's a lot of not great stuff in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3551">TS</a>]
00:59:13 ◼ ► to me did a very good editor which it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3553">TS</a>]
00:59:16 ◼ ► now there's a guy named do i just-i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3556">TS</a>]
00:59:19 ◼ ► can't-- the past do business i wonder if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3559">TS</a>]
00:59:22 ◼ ► Neil deGrasse Tyson's like a total [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3562">TS</a>]
00:59:23 ◼ ► stoner as a college they have this side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3563">TS</a>]
00:59:26 ◼ ► joke I can't because I was like whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3566">TS</a>]
00:59:28 ◼ ► it's a neil degrasse tyson person and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3568">TS</a>]
00:59:30 ◼ ► and then that's a lot mosque and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3570">TS</a>]
00:59:32 ◼ ► when you get to Julia I was I was going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3572">TS</a>]
00:59:35 ◼ ► through like okay it's not Sarah Palin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3575">TS</a>]
00:59:37 ◼ ► but it's no it's yeah I don't know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3577">TS</a>]
00:59:43 ◼ ► fascinating writer and and and it but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3583">TS</a>]
00:59:46 ◼ ► pulled me along i love i love this stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3586">TS</a>]
00:59:48 ◼ ► i mean Lisa we've talked about how many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3588">TS</a>]
00:59:50 ◼ ► times and with many of the people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3590">TS</a>]
00:59:51 ◼ ► are on this episode about into the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3591">TS</a>]
00:59:53 ◼ ► stories and and and how they can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3593">TS</a>]
00:59:54 ◼ ► really interesting it and attracting I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3594">TS</a>]
00:59:56 ◼ ► just you know a lot of the stuff I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3596">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► I had like I love the space stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:01 ◼ ► the idea of going to the comment and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3601">TS</a>]
01:00:04 ◼ ► they end up dying of horrible like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3604">TS</a>]
01:00:05 ◼ ► radiation poisoning and all that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3605">TS</a>]
01:00:07 ◼ ► really an interesting story but there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3607">TS</a>]
01:00:09 ◼ ► a lot of stuff that I just couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3609">TS</a>]
01:00:11 ◼ ► believe like you know this isn't we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3611">TS</a>]
01:00:13 ◼ ► aren't gonna if he's really saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3613">TS</a>]
01:00:14 ◼ ► here's my big idea we need to be able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3614">TS</a>]
01:00:17 ◼ ► survive in a rickety space station when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3617">TS</a>]
01:00:20 ◼ ► I don't think he I don't think he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3620">TS</a>]
01:00:21 ◼ ► convinced me that that's remotely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3621">TS</a>]
01:00:26 ◼ ► yeah you know this this is struck us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3626">TS</a>]
01:00:29 ◼ ► hard for me because this is a book that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3629">TS</a>]
01:00:31 ◼ ► opens with one of the best opening lines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3631">TS</a>]
01:00:34 ◼ ► that I've seen in recent years moon blew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3634">TS</a>]
01:00:37 ◼ ► up suddenly and without warning is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3637">TS</a>]
01:00:39 ◼ ► kind of sentence that just grabs you and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3639">TS</a>]
01:00:42 ◼ ► especially the the first couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3642">TS</a>]
01:00:44 ◼ ► chapters I although I have to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3644">TS</a>]
01:00:46 ◼ ► listening to them an audiobook format [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3646">TS</a>]
01:00:48 ◼ ► the second time around when I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3648">TS</a>]
01:00:51 ◼ ► listening with someone else like this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3651">TS</a>]
01:00:56 ◼ ► remembered the opening being I remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3656">TS</a>]
01:00:58 ◼ ► being like movable up suddenly without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3658">TS</a>]
01:01:00 ◼ ► warning a little bit with Dinah and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3660">TS</a>]
01:01:02 ◼ ► the let's have a star party and look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3662">TS</a>]
01:01:06 ◼ ► oh crap we've been focusing on the wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3666">TS</a>]
01:01:08 ◼ ► thing yeah it's just like there there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3668">TS</a>]
01:01:10 ◼ ► these really wonderful moments in the in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3670">TS</a>]
01:01:13 ◼ ► within this book that sort of slice out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3673">TS</a>]
01:01:16 ◼ ► I just what I think the core of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3676">TS</a>]
01:01:18 ◼ ► story is these one of these seven or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3678">TS</a>]
01:01:20 ◼ ► eight people that we follow throughout [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3680">TS</a>]
01:01:23 ◼ ► the throughout the book and there their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3683">TS</a>]
01:01:24 ◼ ► whole their own individual challenges [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3684">TS</a>]
01:01:26 ◼ ► but surrounding those from surrounding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3686">TS</a>]
01:01:33 ◼ ► infinite areas of space and myspace I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3693">TS</a>]
01:01:37 ◼ ► mean random descriptions about things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3697">TS</a>]
01:01:40 ◼ ► that again we're playing for me at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3700">TS</a>]
01:01:41 ◼ ► work i was so hooked by the opening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3701">TS</a>]
01:01:44 ◼ ► couple of chapters and then there's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3704">TS</a>]
01:01:46 ◼ ► bits here and there that would every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3706">TS</a>]
01:01:48 ◼ ► time i would get a little bit weary of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3708">TS</a>]
01:01:50 ◼ ► it would just snag me again like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3710">TS</a>]
01:01:52 ◼ ► we've been thinking about the wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3712">TS</a>]
01:01:53 ◼ ► thing and the you know qrt and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3713">TS</a>]
01:01:57 ◼ ► little little bits here and there that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3717">TS</a>]
01:02:00 ◼ ► kept me on the the overall train but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3720">TS</a>]
01:02:03 ◼ ► looking at it in retrospective and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3723">TS</a>]
01:02:06 ◼ ► especially going back from mysore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3726">TS</a>]
01:02:11 ◼ ► through it with a friend on a car ride I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3731">TS</a>]
01:02:14 ◼ ► was it made me realize that the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3734">TS</a>]
01:02:17 ◼ ► wasn't quite as I want to say great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3737">TS</a>]
01:02:20 ◼ ► because i didn't think necessarily the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3740">TS</a>]
01:02:21 ◼ ► book was great but i thought it had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3741">TS</a>]
01:02:23 ◼ ► really fascinating elements and I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3743">TS</a>]
01:02:28 ◼ ► think going back to it and looking at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3748">TS</a>]
01:02:30 ◼ ► again it becomes more hollow where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3750">TS</a>]
01:02:34 ◼ ► wonderful of these wonderful Owens and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3754">TS</a>]
01:02:36 ◼ ► then you tear them down and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3756">TS</a>]
01:02:38 ◼ ► spend 30 pages talking about rockets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3758">TS</a>]
01:02:40 ◼ ► which is still interesting but a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3760">TS</a>]
01:02:42 ◼ ► good editor could have paired this into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3762">TS</a>]
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01:02:49 ◼ ► but it seems like once people become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3769">TS</a>]
01:02:52 ◼ ► established novelists they may unless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3772">TS</a>]
01:02:55 ◼ ► they really really trust and want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3775">TS</a>]
01:02:58 ◼ ► work with an editor they don't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3778">TS</a>]
01:03:01 ◼ ► edited anymore and we talked about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3781">TS</a>]
01:03:03 ◼ ► on the show many times bestselling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3783">TS</a>]
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01:03:10 ◼ ► are golden I don't know what you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3790">TS</a>]
01:03:11 ◼ ► talking about people love me and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3791">TS</a>]
01:03:12 ◼ ► why are they love my thousand-page books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3792">TS</a>]
01:03:14 ◼ ► and that's why i write thousand-page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3794">TS</a>]
01:03:15 ◼ ► books and nobody stopped to say this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3795">TS</a>]
01:03:18 ◼ ► would be a stronger book or if they did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3798">TS</a>]
01:03:20 ◼ ► they were told you don't say that to him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3800">TS</a>]
01:03:23 ◼ ► you're being reassigned he has a sword [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3803">TS</a>]
01:03:26 ◼ ► and I apologize to the editor if this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3806">TS</a>]
01:03:29 ◼ ► was originally 1,200 pages it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3809">TS</a>]
01:03:31 ◼ ► actually four thousand page letter had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3811">TS</a>]
01:03:34 ◼ ► been like really they're going to let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3814">TS</a>]
01:03:35 ◼ ► Julia live after she violates everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3815">TS</a>]
01:03:37 ◼ ► that this project stands for like why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3817">TS</a>]
01:03:39 ◼ ► didn't they just have Russian athlete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3819">TS</a>]
01:03:42 ◼ ► whose name I'm blanking on like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3822">TS</a>]
01:03:44 ◼ ► could have had her just shove Julia an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3824">TS</a>]
01:03:45 ◼ ► airlock again and like a lot of problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3825">TS</a>]
01:03:48 ◼ ► could have been delayed and I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3828">TS</a>]
01:03:49 ◼ ► wish and everyone said you know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3829">TS</a>]
01:03:52 ◼ ► doesn't bear up logically speaking um [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3832">TS</a>]
01:03:54 ◼ ► yeah or and Neil Neil we will adjust [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3834">TS</a>]
01:03:57 ◼ ► it's going to be an 800-page book but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3837">TS</a>]
01:04:00 ◼ ► footnotes that and and appendices but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3840">TS</a>]
01:04:04 ◼ ► you know we're not going to let's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3844">TS</a>]
01:04:06 ◼ ► put them in the actual manuscript no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3846">TS</a>]
01:04:09 ◼ ► it'sit's he's such a talented writer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3849">TS</a>]
01:04:11 ◼ ► I worry a little bit that he's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3851">TS</a>]
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01:04:16 ◼ ► he's going to get to do what he wants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3856">TS</a>]
01:04:18 ◼ ► and people are going to go along because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3858">TS</a>]
01:04:19 ◼ ► he's so well known and he is test so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3859">TS</a>]
01:04:24 ◼ ► in a row that have been problematic for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3864">TS</a>]
01:04:27 ◼ ► me and although i like the first again I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3867">TS</a>]
01:04:29 ◼ ► like the first whatever it is half of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3869">TS</a>]
01:04:31 ◼ ► remedy before it becomes a a sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3871">TS</a>]
01:04:34 ◼ ► like action movie out in the woods which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3874">TS</a>]
01:04:38 ◼ ► was fine for what it was but was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3878">TS</a>]
01:04:40 ◼ ► what we come to expect from him but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3880">TS</a>]
01:04:42 ◼ ► know it makes me want to go back and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3882">TS</a>]
01:04:44 ◼ ► would say reread the baroque cycle but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3884">TS</a>]
01:04:46 ◼ ► don't have that kind of time but like go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3886">TS</a>]
01:04:47 ◼ ► back and read reread right to nomicon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3887">TS</a>]
01:04:49 ◼ ► cryptonomicon or or even at them frankly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3889">TS</a>]
01:04:53 ◼ ► and jones i was i was thinkin bout [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3893">TS</a>]
01:04:55 ◼ ► cryptonomicon in contrast to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3895">TS</a>]
01:04:57 ◼ ► because there's a very funny passage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3897">TS</a>]
01:04:58 ◼ ► cryptonomicon about how one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3898">TS</a>]
01:05:00 ◼ ► characters vengeful ex-girlfriends raise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3900">TS</a>]
01:05:02 ◼ ► an academic paper on beards as a status [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3902">TS</a>]
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01:05:13 ◼ ► culture around science and engineering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3913">TS</a>]
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01:05:21 ◼ ► he was trying to do with it here but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3921">TS</a>]
01:05:23 ◼ ► it's it's so bloated you really had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3923">TS</a>]
01:05:26 ◼ ► dig through a lot of it and there are a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3926">TS</a>]
01:05:29 ◼ ► suspending disbelief was like okay I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3929">TS</a>]
01:05:31 ◼ ► really have to just accept this is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3931">TS</a>]
01:05:33 ◼ ► to happen there there inexplicably going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3933">TS</a>]
01:05:36 ◼ ► to let Julia live there inexplicably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3936">TS</a>]
01:05:38 ◼ ► going to let all of the storage units [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3938">TS</a>]
01:05:41 ◼ ► that have all of the ova and sperm drift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3941">TS</a>]
01:05:43 ◼ ► away with a bunch of demented youngsters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3943">TS</a>]
01:05:45 ◼ ► and Julia they are going to do a fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3945">TS</a>]
01:05:47 ◼ ► you know it just like getting up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3947">TS</a>]
01:05:51 ◼ ► space was not the problem i really wish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3951">TS</a>]
01:05:52 ◼ ► he had taken the time to talk to some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3952">TS</a>]
01:05:54 ◼ ► those those hated and feared non hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3954">TS</a>]
01:05:56 ◼ ► science types who are you know say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3956">TS</a>]
01:05:57 ◼ ► sociologists and other people who study [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3957">TS</a>]
01:06:00 ◼ ► like communities that work in close [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3960">TS</a>]
01:06:03 ◼ ► quarters and stressful situations like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3963">TS</a>]
01:06:05 ◼ ► it would've been helpful if you talk to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3965">TS</a>]
01:06:06 ◼ ► somebody who isn't it for god sakes the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3966">TS</a>]
01:06:09 ◼ ► features a submarine like they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3969">TS</a>]
01:06:11 ◼ ► drop some submarine science with well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3971">TS</a>]
01:06:12 ◼ ► you know the Navy studied how these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3972">TS</a>]
01:06:14 ◼ ► groups work together in these tight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3974">TS</a>]
01:06:16 ◼ ► close quarters which can kill them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3976">TS</a>]
01:06:18 ◼ ► here's maybe we should consider doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3978">TS</a>]
01:06:20 ◼ ► like there was literally nothing about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3980">TS</a>]
01:06:21 ◼ ► the social human engineering in this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3981">TS</a>]
01:06:22 ◼ ► I think what you're talking about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3982">TS</a>]
01:06:23 ◼ ► fate of the human race you kinda have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3983">TS</a>]
01:06:25 ◼ ► bring that up i did I one thing that I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3985">TS</a>]
01:06:28 ◼ ► am disappointed that he didn't series we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3988">TS</a>]
01:06:30 ◼ ► sort of made good on all other threads i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3990">TS</a>]
01:06:33 ◼ ► am sorry that at the end he doesn't say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3993">TS</a>]
01:06:35 ◼ ► Oh didn't we tell you what there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3995">TS</a>]
01:06:38 ◼ ► just because people go to Mars some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3998">TS</a>]
01:06:39 ◼ ► the rebels say we're gonna go to Mars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/3999">TS</a>]
01:06:41 ◼ ► and all the other unaccounted for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4001">TS</a>]
01:06:44 ◼ ► survivors of Earth established societies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4004">TS</a>]
01:06:46 ◼ ► that were flourishing 5,000 years later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4006">TS</a>]
01:06:48 ◼ ► but they don't even mention like oh you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4008">TS</a>]
01:06:52 ◼ ► miraculously like everyone else they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4012">TS</a>]
01:06:54 ◼ ► survived but there's many have a term is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4014">TS</a>]
01:06:56 ◼ ► equal no word about the Martians yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4016">TS</a>]
01:06:59 ◼ ► this is the pingers he doesn't rate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4019">TS</a>]
01:07:03 ◼ ► yes Stevenson's on the record saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4023">TS</a>]
01:07:04 ◼ ► that he doesn't ever believed in so he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4024">TS</a>]
01:07:06 ◼ ► gets the whole story out of it takes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4026">TS</a>]
01:07:07 ◼ ► some 3,000 pages that's about Jewish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4027">TS</a>]
01:07:10 ◼ ► equals are just extra long it blocks no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4030">TS</a>]
01:07:14 ◼ ► any other thoughts about uh about what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4034">TS</a>]
01:07:17 ◼ ► the heck is this book called i can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4037">TS</a>]
01:07:19 ◼ ► remember seventies i'll say downward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4039">TS</a>]
01:07:20 ◼ ► seven Eve's anybody have any any other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4040">TS</a>]
01:07:23 ◼ ► quality i do of course it yeah at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4043">TS</a>]
01:07:25 ◼ ► you have more thoughts i do besides that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4045">TS</a>]
01:07:30 ◼ ► yeah it's it's 800 pages that part I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4050">TS</a>]
01:07:32 ◼ ► know I'm i said this before saturday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4052">TS</a>]
01:07:34 ◼ ► popped on where I said I really admired [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4054">TS</a>]
01:07:36 ◼ ► the book and quality that serenity had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4056">TS</a>]
01:07:38 ◼ ► discerned when she put these two books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4058">TS</a>]
01:07:40 ◼ ► together because with seventies you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4060">TS</a>]
01:07:43 ◼ ► this space operates grand scale and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4063">TS</a>]
01:07:45 ◼ ► scope and it's suddenly the super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4065">TS</a>]
01:07:48 ◼ ► optimistic book about how science will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4068">TS</a>]
01:07:50 ◼ ► solve all your problems and humidity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4070">TS</a>]
01:07:52 ◼ ► will you know rise to the challenge and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4072">TS</a>]
01:07:54 ◼ ► o things will be wonderful in the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4074">TS</a>]
01:07:57 ◼ ► they'll be you know hanging out and cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4077">TS</a>]
01:07:59 ◼ ► bars you drink in grapes farm by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4079">TS</a>]
01:08:01 ◼ ► andhra Thals and we and then the flip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4081">TS</a>]
01:08:05 ◼ ► side of it is this incredibly intimate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4085">TS</a>]
01:08:06 ◼ ► story in the water knife where it looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4086">TS</a>]
01:08:09 ◼ ► at how no science and technology only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4089">TS</a>]
01:08:11 ◼ ► solve problems for people whose problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4091">TS</a>]
01:08:13 ◼ ► extend to have a nicer found in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4093">TS</a>]
01:08:16 ◼ ► archaeology that nobody else can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4096">TS</a>]
01:08:17 ◼ ► into or how can my air filter work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4097">TS</a>]
01:08:22 ◼ ► sandstorm getting ready to put the hurt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4102">TS</a>]
01:08:25 ◼ ► on some of my boss wants me to its it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4105">TS</a>]
01:08:27 ◼ ► was two very able to opposition always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4107">TS</a>]
01:08:30 ◼ ► looking at the at the end of the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4110">TS</a>]
01:08:35 ◼ ► differences in scope and the differences [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4115">TS</a>]
01:08:39 ◼ ► in the way that the two chose to look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4119">TS</a>]
01:08:41 ◼ ► the human condition and how that affects [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4121">TS</a>]
01:08:42 ◼ ► the outcome of of a of a society's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4122">TS</a>]
01:08:44 ◼ ► future they could not have been more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4124">TS</a>]
01:08:46 ◼ ► different and I think that reading them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4126">TS</a>]
01:08:48 ◼ ► back-to-back like I did for this podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4128">TS</a>]
01:08:50 ◼ ► we highlighted that for me so you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4130">TS</a>]
01:08:52 ◼ ► seven years if you read that in context [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4132">TS</a>]
01:08:54 ◼ ► with the water knife it's it's just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4134">TS</a>]
01:08:56 ◼ ► wow this is big big big and scope oh my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4136">TS</a>]
01:08:58 ◼ ► god i just keeps going and getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4138">TS</a>]
01:09:02 ◼ ► bigger and I've lost track of who all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4142">TS</a>]
01:09:04 ◼ ► the characters are because i've just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4144">TS</a>]
01:09:06 ◼ ► read some more about chains filled with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4146">TS</a>]
01:09:08 ◼ ► robots and from there so many robots so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4148">TS</a>]
01:09:13 ◼ ► many chance now I thought it was I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4153">TS</a>]
01:09:15 ◼ ► thought it was I thought it was some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4155">TS</a>]
01:09:16 ◼ ► helpful to look at it in contrast with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4156">TS</a>]
01:09:19 ◼ ► very intimate end of the world book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4159">TS</a>]
01:09:21 ◼ ► which is what the water knife isn't a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4161">TS</a>]
01:09:22 ◼ ► lot of ways you know coming up the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4162">TS</a>]
01:09:25 ◼ ► idea from two very different points of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4165">TS</a>]
01:09:27 ◼ ► view exactly who go read Julian may just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4167">TS</a>]
01:09:30 ◼ ► be Julian ok please you recommend the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4170">TS</a>]
01:09:33 ◼ ► place in soccer would you just go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4173">TS</a>]
01:09:34 ◼ ► straight into the straight into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4174">TS</a>]
01:09:37 ◼ ► stuff that start to Jeff the body list i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4177">TS</a>]
01:09:40 ◼ ► would i would start with the police in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4180">TS</a>]
01:09:41 ◼ ► saket okay i mean i-i would i first read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4181">TS</a>]
01:09:46 ◼ ► them all in order just in in publishing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4186">TS</a>]
01:09:50 ◼ ► alright we have we have a come to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4190">TS</a>]
01:09:52 ◼ ► point of the show where I very quickly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4192">TS</a>]
01:09:53 ◼ ► want to go around and ask my panelists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4193">TS</a>]
01:09:56 ◼ ► if there's anything interesting that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4196">TS</a>]
01:09:59 ◼ ► they're reading or have just read other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4199">TS</a>]
01:10:01 ◼ ► than the books we've already talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4201">TS</a>]
01:10:02 ◼ ► about this is what we like to call what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4202">TS</a>]
01:10:04 ◼ ► David Laura what are you reading well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4204">TS</a>]
01:10:07 ◼ ► i'm back in writing mode so i'm reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4207">TS</a>]
01:10:09 ◼ ► nonfiction again and i'm reading the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4209">TS</a>]
01:10:11 ◼ ► monopolists obsession fury and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4211">TS</a>]
01:10:14 ◼ ► scandal behind the world's favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4214">TS</a>]
01:10:17 ◼ ► board game by Mary pallone it's about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4217">TS</a>]
01:10:21 ◼ ► yeah yeah and scrabble and and trivial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4221">TS</a>]
01:10:27 ◼ ► that's as it should be and yes you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4227">TS</a>]
01:10:30 ◼ ► script you you owe me some scripts so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4230">TS</a>]
01:10:31 ◼ ► keep on reading nonfiction it Lisa what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4231">TS</a>]
01:10:36 ◼ ► oh I'm I'm breathing two things at once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4236">TS</a>]
01:10:38 ◼ ► i'm reading citizen coke the making of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4238">TS</a>]
01:10:40 ◼ ► coca-cola capitalism by bart ojl more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4240">TS</a>]
01:10:43 ◼ ► and i finally got my copy of randleman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4243">TS</a>]
01:10:46 ◼ ► Rose what if serious scientific answers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4246">TS</a>]
01:10:51 ◼ ► questions so those are the two that i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4251">TS</a>]
01:10:54 ◼ ► reading concur i usually have like two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4254">TS</a>]
01:10:56 ◼ ► or three bucks going into time and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4256">TS</a>]
01:10:57 ◼ ► just kind of flip through them depending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4257">TS</a>]
01:10:59 ◼ ► on the mood for all right that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4259">TS</a>]
01:11:03 ◼ ► I'm working my way through allen-bradley [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4263">TS</a>]
01:11:05 ◼ ► is Flavian loose series which is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4265">TS</a>]
01:11:08 ◼ ► side what young adults post-world war [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4268">TS</a>]
01:11:14 ◼ ► two story about a young girl in Britain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4274">TS</a>]
01:11:19 ◼ ► who who loves making poisons and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4279">TS</a>]
01:11:23 ◼ ► and she sells murder mystery spot for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4283">TS</a>]
01:11:25 ◼ ► watering it's very it's very clever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4285">TS</a>]
01:11:28 ◼ ► training with yes very clever writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4288">TS</a>]
01:11:30 ◼ ► it's it's delightful English countryside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4290">TS</a>]
01:11:33 ◼ ► it's a nice mashup and then i'm also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4293">TS</a>]
01:11:35 ◼ ► reading the real all Americans which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4295">TS</a>]
01:11:41 ◼ ► basically about the early days of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4301">TS</a>]
01:11:43 ◼ ► football and the teams who basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4303">TS</a>]
01:11:46 ◼ ► cheated or cheated and the reverse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4306">TS</a>]
01:11:49 ◼ ► cheating that gave college football it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4309">TS</a>]
01:11:52 ◼ ► all of its rules and regulations because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4312">TS</a>]
01:11:55 ◼ ► as as as somebody who participates in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4315">TS</a>]
01:11:57 ◼ ► sport that is only 10 years old and has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4317">TS</a>]
01:11:59 ◼ ► a lot of rules negotiating happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4319">TS</a>]
01:12:02 ◼ ► live on the track is fascinating to to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4322">TS</a>]
01:12:05 ◼ ► see that from a from another from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4325">TS</a>]
01:12:07 ◼ ► sport that's now pretty storied in its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4327">TS</a>]
01:12:09 ◼ ► very early days it's got what are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4329">TS</a>]
01:12:12 ◼ ► reading or have read that is a worthy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4332">TS</a>]
01:12:15 ◼ ► how I've read two novels right after I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4335">TS</a>]
01:12:19 ◼ ► read the seventies and water knife both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4339">TS</a>]
01:12:22 ◼ ► of which I thought were better than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4342">TS</a>]
01:12:23 ◼ ► seven leaves or the water knife one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4343">TS</a>]
01:12:26 ◼ ► which is by an author that jason has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4346">TS</a>]
01:12:28 ◼ ► sworn off forever so I'm sure he will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4348">TS</a>]
01:12:29 ◼ ► never read it unless nominee for Hugo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4349">TS</a>]
01:12:32 ◼ ► which i think is going and that's Aurora [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4352">TS</a>]
01:12:35 ◼ ► by Kim Stanley Robinson which is I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4355">TS</a>]
01:12:38 ◼ ► heard good things about it but uh yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4358">TS</a>]
01:12:40 ◼ ► I'm like I'm reluctant to go back there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4360">TS</a>]
01:12:43 ◼ ► I think I don't want to ruin it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4363">TS</a>]
01:12:44 ◼ ► it has some fascinating twists to it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4364">TS</a>]
01:12:47 ◼ ► I thought it was fantastic i'm a fan of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4367">TS</a>]
01:12:50 ◼ ► kim roberts Rakim yeah I am very man the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4370">TS</a>]
01:12:57 ◼ ► Cartwright so I think it's great that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4377">TS</a>]
01:13:00 ◼ ► her it's basically it follows this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4380">TS</a>]
01:13:02 ◼ ► generation ship that's going off to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4382">TS</a>]
01:13:04 ◼ ► colonize world and some things happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4384">TS</a>]
01:13:07 ◼ ► and you know it's interesting and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4387">TS</a>]
01:13:11 ◼ ► is another book that I really liked by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4391">TS</a>]
01:13:13 ◼ ► ian MacDonald who is one of my favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4393">TS</a>]
01:13:15 ◼ ► I wrote the Dervish house which we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4395">TS</a>]
01:13:17 ◼ ► talked about on the previous Hugo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4397">TS</a>]
01:13:19 ◼ ► episode he has the last couple of years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4399">TS</a>]
01:13:23 ◼ ► been writing young adult fiction which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4403">TS</a>]
01:13:25 ◼ ► angers me because I don't like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4405">TS</a>]
01:13:26 ◼ ► affliction because I am an older adults [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4406">TS</a>]
01:13:30 ◼ ► but he's come back to normal adult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4410">TS</a>]
01:13:33 ◼ ► fiction and he's written a book called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4413">TS</a>]
01:13:34 ◼ ► Luna new moon which is set on the moon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4414">TS</a>]
01:13:38 ◼ ► and someone is called it the game of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4418">TS</a>]
01:13:40 ◼ ► thrones on the moon which I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4420">TS</a>]
01:13:42 ◼ ► is really accurate but it involves five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4422">TS</a>]
01:13:46 ◼ ► families that are fighting on the moon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4426">TS</a>]
01:13:48 ◼ ► several hundred years in the future and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4428">TS</a>]
01:13:52 ◼ ► it has many nice little touches the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4432">TS</a>]
01:13:55 ◼ ► characters apparently in the moon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4435">TS</a>]
01:13:57 ◼ ► culture nineteen fifties style has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4437">TS</a>]
01:14:00 ◼ ► a research and so people print out 50 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4440">TS</a>]
01:14:02 ◼ ► dresses and things and go to cocktail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4442">TS</a>]
01:14:04 ◼ ► everybody has these contact lenses that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4444">TS</a>]
01:14:08 ◼ ► are implanted in their eyes and they get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4448">TS</a>]
01:14:10 ◼ ► to see how much air they're being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4450">TS</a>]
01:14:12 ◼ ► charged for and if you run out of money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4452">TS</a>]
01:14:14 ◼ ► you suffocate and die because you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4454">TS</a>]
01:14:16 ◼ ► someone has to pay for the hair they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4456">TS</a>]
01:14:19 ◼ ► call people who come from the earth to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4459">TS</a>]
01:14:22 ◼ ► moonbeams because they're new and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4462">TS</a>]
01:14:24 ◼ ► can't figure out how to stuff that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4464">TS</a>]
01:14:26 ◼ ► just a great book so check out alright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4466">TS</a>]
01:14:28 ◼ ► and for me I i read the end of all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4468">TS</a>]
01:14:31 ◼ ► things by john scalzi which is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4471">TS</a>]
01:14:33 ◼ ► latest in his old man's war series and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4473">TS</a>]
01:14:38 ◼ ► I feel like he needs I i believe he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4478">TS</a>]
01:14:40 ◼ ► taking a little less step away from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4480">TS</a>]
01:14:42 ◼ ► series because i feel like it was kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4482">TS</a>]
01:14:45 ◼ ► it's got some familiar characters but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4485">TS</a>]
01:14:47 ◼ ► think he got caught up in the kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4487">TS</a>]
01:14:49 ◼ ► interstellar imaginations at a high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4489">TS</a>]
01:14:51 ◼ ► level of and add this plotline that went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4491">TS</a>]
01:14:54 ◼ ► through these last two books about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4494">TS</a>]
01:14:56 ◼ ► secret attack on the one human race and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4496">TS</a>]
01:14:59 ◼ ► I don't think it really merited two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4499">TS</a>]
01:15:02 ◼ ► books worth of story and I think these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4502">TS</a>]
01:15:04 ◼ ► series are really the the books in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4504">TS</a>]
01:15:06 ◼ ► series have been the best when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4506">TS</a>]
01:15:10 ◼ ► characters and how they make their way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4510">TS</a>]
01:15:12 ◼ ► in this crazy you know space opera world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4512">TS</a>]
01:15:16 ◼ ► that he set up and for the last couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4516">TS</a>]
01:15:18 ◼ ► we've had a lot of bureaucrats and a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4518">TS</a>]
01:15:20 ◼ ► of negotiations and a lot of ambassadors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4520">TS</a>]
01:15:24 ◼ ► he's a good writer it's entertaining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4524">TS</a>]
01:15:26 ◼ ► it's always kind of breezy and fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4526">TS</a>]
01:15:28 ◼ ► and yet I feel like at the end of it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4528">TS</a>]
01:15:30 ◼ ► sort of said yeah okay whatever I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4530">TS</a>]
01:15:33 ◼ ► honestly I don't even remember how it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4533">TS</a>]
01:15:34 ◼ ► ends because it was so insubstantial and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4534">TS</a>]
01:15:37 ◼ ► I just moved on to the to the next thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4537">TS</a>]
01:15:39 ◼ ► and then I want to put a shout out to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4539">TS</a>]
01:15:41 ◼ ► aftermath by check when day which is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4541">TS</a>]
01:15:43 ◼ ► star wars novel it's got like one star a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4543">TS</a>]
01:15:46 ◼ ► million one-star reviews on Amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4546">TS</a>]
01:15:48 ◼ ► because it doesn't answer all of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4548">TS</a>]
01:15:50 ◼ ► questions fans have or service fans in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4550">TS</a>]
01:15:53 ◼ ► the way that they expected and i have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4553">TS</a>]
01:15:57 ◼ ► um I don't think I don't think it's bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4557">TS</a>]
01:15:59 ◼ ► i don't think it's fantastic but I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4559">TS</a>]
01:16:01 ◼ ► honestly it's I pretty good for a meet a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4561">TS</a>]
01:16:04 ◼ ► a movie franchise tie-in novel and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4564">TS</a>]
01:16:09 ◼ ► people who are angry about it or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4569">TS</a>]
01:16:11 ◼ ► angry about it because of the content [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4571">TS</a>]
01:16:12 ◼ ► they're angry for personal reasons that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4572">TS</a>]
01:16:15 ◼ ► don't relate to the actual book so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4575">TS</a>]
01:16:19 ◼ ► yeah it's strong and I understand why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4579">TS</a>]
01:16:22 ◼ ► they might be angry but it's it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4582">TS</a>]
01:16:24 ◼ ► because of the book because what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4584">TS</a>]
01:16:26 ◼ ► book doesn't do which is tell the story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4586">TS</a>]
01:16:28 ◼ ► that they have imagined for 20 years in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4588">TS</a>]
01:16:33 ◼ ► this is what happens when you reboot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4593">TS</a>]
01:16:35 ◼ ► when you reboot a franchise and when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4595">TS</a>]
01:16:38 ◼ ► destroy years of cut former continuity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4598">TS</a>]
01:16:41 ◼ ► of the Expanded Universe continuity and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4601">TS</a>]
01:16:44 ◼ ► understandable from that perspective I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4604">TS</a>]
01:16:45 ◼ ► just having read the book i can say i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4605">TS</a>]
01:16:47 ◼ ► thought it was fine i didn't again not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4607">TS</a>]
01:16:50 ◼ ► great literature or anything but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4610">TS</a>]
01:16:52 ◼ ► characters it played with the star wars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4612">TS</a>]
01:16:54 ◼ ► universe in though in the way you might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4614">TS</a>]
01:16:56 ◼ ► expect our uh novelist to get the chance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4616">TS</a>]
01:16:59 ◼ ► to play in the star wars universe to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4619">TS</a>]
01:17:00 ◼ ► so it you know it was it was fine it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4620">TS</a>]
01:17:05 ◼ ► a it was a quick read and and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4625">TS</a>]
01:17:09 ◼ ► nothing wrong with being fine and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4629">TS</a>]
01:17:11 ◼ ► read it all and i read it already and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4631">TS</a>]
01:17:12 ◼ ► that's another great because my was fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4632">TS</a>]
01:17:16 ◼ ► what more do you want from me people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4636">TS</a>]
01:17:18 ◼ ► only one man put that on your book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4638">TS</a>]
01:17:22 ◼ ► unless you're ksr no take that well this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4642">TS</a>]
01:17:26 ◼ ► has been fun i know we're gonna have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4646">TS</a>]
01:17:28 ◼ ► figure out what we're going to read next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4648">TS</a>]
01:17:31 ◼ ► recommends that for marketers I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4651">TS</a>]
01:17:33 ◼ ► want to read but that's okay Scott [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4653">TS</a>]
01:17:36 ◼ ► Scott's a reduced me to some fantastic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4656">TS</a>]
01:17:38 ◼ ► book so perhaps we will have to go go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4658">TS</a>]
01:17:42 ◼ ► and something he is walking pressure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4662">TS</a>]
01:17:45 ◼ ► pressure and it is you yet to recommend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4665">TS</a>]
01:17:48 ◼ ► something to somebody and have them say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4668">TS</a>]
01:17:50 ◼ ► oh I hated that you know that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4670">TS</a>]
01:17:51 ◼ ► worst that's true i'd like to thank my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4671">TS</a>]
01:17:55 ◼ ► fellow members of the book club for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4675">TS</a>]
01:17:57 ◼ ► joining us tonight Lisa Schmeisser thank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4677">TS</a>]
01:18:01 ◼ ► I had a ball thank you I already called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4681">TS</a>]
01:18:07 ◼ ► I'm glad we all have water I'm glad we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4687">TS</a>]
01:18:10 ◼ ► some more than others uh-huh David Laura [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4690">TS</a>]
01:18:13 ◼ ► thank you thank you i'm going to go get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4693">TS</a>]
01:18:15 ◼ ► some water right now you know i might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4695">TS</a>]
01:18:17 ◼ ► not surprising that is sooo tonight so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4697">TS</a>]
01:18:21 ◼ ► the water dive cut a little close for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4701">TS</a>]
01:18:23 ◼ ► you and Scott McNulty of course I it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4703">TS</a>]
01:18:28 ◼ ► wouldn't be book club without you accept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4708">TS</a>]
01:18:30 ◼ ► those times when you refuse to be on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4710">TS</a>]
01:18:33 ◼ ► recommended a book i will not read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYON438/4713">TS</a>]
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