356: This Is Not for You, Developers


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00:00:08   From Relay FM, this is Upgrade, episode 356.

00:00:13   And today's show is brought to you by Pingdom, TextExpander, DoorDash, and Wondery.

00:00:18   My name is Myke Hurley and I am joined by Jason Snell. Hi, Jason Snell!

00:00:21   Hello, Myke Hurley, it's, uh, it's WWDC week.

00:00:25   Day, in fact.

00:00:26   And day, day.

00:00:27   As we are, as you were hearing us, the WWDC keynote ended like 20 minutes ago, so we have

00:00:33   fresh minds, bushy tails, bright-eyed, ready to talk about WWDC.

00:00:38   My #SnellTalk question for you, Jason Snell, is, who won the draft?

00:00:42   Uh.

00:00:43   Jason, why don't you tell our, the Upgradients who won the draft?

00:00:46   I don't think I heard you if you said it.

00:00:48   You did, Myke.

00:00:49   I won the draft, didn't I, Jason?

00:00:50   Yeah, you did, you did.

00:00:51   I got it.

00:00:52   I'm the winner.

00:00:53   You are.

00:00:54   In fact, you won on a two-fer that the moment it happened, I thought, oh, well, that's it,

00:00:57   because I didn't realize when you picked them that you were picking something that would

00:01:01   essentially be worth two if you were right, and you did, and you were right.

00:01:05   I didn't think of it either.

00:01:06   And that pushed, yeah, I know, I know, but that pushed you, by the way, I did win the

00:01:10   tie, the over-under on the tiebreak of the...

00:01:12   Yeah, I marked that one off and was very nervous.

00:01:14   It was a little bit longer than you thought.

00:01:16   Although not full two hours, but close.

00:01:19   But there was a moment where I had crept back into contention with a, with a choice that

00:01:25   would have been a tough argument for me to make, but it was, it was at least arguable.

00:01:31   And then they dropped, they dropped shortcuts for Mac OS.

00:01:37   So again, in this moment, I'm both exhilarated and realize that I've lost the draft, but,

00:01:41   but I'm so excited that that got announced.

00:01:44   Me too.

00:01:45   But you, one of your other picks was at least one new or updated Apple system app based

00:01:49   on Catalyst, which is shortcuts.

00:01:52   So you get two points there and that was, that was the end.

00:01:56   Just for the record, you cleaned up on iOS and iPad OS.

00:02:00   You, you correctly guessed home screen widgets on iPad, more size options for widgets.

00:02:05   They added the XL size on iPad.

00:02:08   We'll get to all this later in detail.

00:02:10   App library on iPad, new features for the messages app.

00:02:14   I got in this category, overhaul of notifications, new features for FaceTime.

00:02:19   And the one we would have litigated was arguably mail app updated with more modern features,

00:02:24   not the features that we said such as, but I could have made the argument that one of

00:02:27   the Hayes big features is that they protect you from tracking pixels.

00:02:31   And they did announce that it would have been tenuous.

00:02:34   There would have been a big fight if we were to get on that one.

00:02:36   It would have been Ricky like nobody wants that here.

00:02:39   On Mac OS, I got test flight for Mac OS very at the very end.

00:02:43   That would have been quite a thing to win on that one, but I was too far behind.

00:02:46   I was worried about that, Jason.

00:02:48   I'm not going to lie.

00:02:49   I got very nervous when test flight for Mac because if there was hardware, you would have

00:02:53   potentially won.

00:02:55   There was no hardware, obviously.

00:02:56   No.

00:02:57   So you got those under Mac OS, like I said, shortcuts for Mac OS and one new or updated

00:03:02   Apple system app based on catalyst.

00:03:04   And then in our other picks, I got home segment of the keynote.

00:03:07   They built the sets everybody.

00:03:08   They're going to use them.

00:03:10   And always on watch displays improve, which is one of my favorite ways to get a point

00:03:15   in the draft, which is it's mentioned on the slide, but not said out loud because apps,

00:03:20   more apps get always on watch display support in the new version of watch OS.

00:03:25   And you got focus on mental health features in watch OS with the new mindfulness app.

00:03:29   And that means that I score at seven six.

00:03:32   We could have litigated it to seven five.

00:03:34   It doesn't matter.

00:03:35   You are the winner.

00:03:36   Congratulations.

00:03:37   Thank you.

00:03:38   We have no trophy.

00:03:39   We have no Twitter account.

00:03:40   You just have the warm feeling of returning to your rightful place as the master of developer

00:03:47   conference draftery.

00:03:48   So congratulations.

00:03:49   Let me just say, look, don't tell Federico and Steven.

00:03:53   It is more important for me personally to win the draft, the upgrade draft, because

00:03:59   this is more on knowledge, skill and expertise where the rookies can be a little bit more

00:04:07   on a pure luck, especially when it gets to Ricky picks.

00:04:11   Cause we have to pick things that are very unlikely.

00:04:14   So you can come across as rather prophetic right on a connected, but here there's so

00:04:19   many picks and it's based on so much stuff.

00:04:22   And a lot of it is who's smarter in that, like who made the best picks.

00:04:28   And so it's harder to, I also, honestly, for me, it's harder for me to win this as well

00:04:33   than it is the rookies.

00:04:34   Yeah.

00:04:35   It's it's uh, I know.

00:04:37   I think this is really good.

00:04:38   I will say that I, my upgrade strategy, and I'm not trying to make excuses here.

00:04:43   Ted Lasso would tell me, don't, you know, just be a goldfish, but my strategy swings

00:04:48   a little bit based on when I'm feeling really good about myself, I pick a little bit more

00:04:56   for entertainment and a, and a little bit less for strategy.

00:05:00   And when I'm feeling down, I pick a little bit more for strategy.

00:05:04   And I realized after we did the draft last week, that the place where you saw this is

00:05:09   when you went in on Apple hardware, I had a moment where I basically said, oh, well,

00:05:13   if you're going to pick that, I'm going to pick it too.

00:05:16   And I thought afterward is like, oh, well, if I really wanted to win, I would have picked

00:05:20   something really obvious instead that was going to happen.

00:05:23   And I knew, and that would be a point for me.

00:05:25   And I had that moment where I thought, nah, I'm not going to do that.

00:05:27   It's more fun this way.

00:05:29   What I'm saying is get ready for me to really try to cut you next time.

00:05:34   I'm really going to try to do it.

00:05:35   Get ready for me to extend my lead.

00:05:39   I was soft.

00:05:40   Well, yeah, you're going to have to bring it on, Myke.

00:05:42   Cause now I was soft before I was comfortable with all my many wins.

00:05:45   Now I'm hungry.

00:05:47   I'm hungry for the iPhone event.

00:05:49   So watch out.

00:05:50   We'll see.

00:05:51   That's two zero to me so far for the year.

00:05:53   Indeed.

00:05:54   Dominant.

00:05:55   Before we get into, uh, we're going to be talking, touching on pretty much everything

00:05:59   that Apple announced, especially going in deep as much as we can at this point on all

00:06:03   of the operating systems.

00:06:05   Let's just talk about the presentation itself.

00:06:07   Um, there were a couple of things to me in the overall presentation that were interesting

00:06:11   where I kind of feel like this is in some ways the first pseudo post COVID, uh, like

00:06:21   video presentation from Apple in the sense of there were many instances where people

00:06:25   were in the same physical space, right?

00:06:27   Which they did.

00:06:28   They've not done that really.

00:06:29   Or they said, I've been ramping up to that.

00:06:31   And I'm thinking especially like the intro part where they have like the whole musical

00:06:34   number and stuff, right?

00:06:36   And I know that you, that obviously there are ways to make things safe.

00:06:39   We know how to do this way better now, vaccinations or that kind of stuff.

00:06:43   But I think we got a little bit more of a taste this time as to what these events could

00:06:48   look like going into the future if this is something that Apple wants to keep going in

00:06:51   some way.

00:06:52   Yeah, it's possible.

00:06:53   I think we've got a little bit more of that, a little bit more of that this time.

00:06:56   It's possible.

00:06:57   They definitely, I think have leaned in over the last year to the idea of writing, um,

00:07:02   something that's not quite what you could do with a, uh, a live presentation and have

00:07:08   jokes and transitions and things.

00:07:10   And they've been growing and improving that over time.

00:07:14   And so we saw even more of that more, you know, more jokes and things.

00:07:17   Sometimes I think some of the Craig Federighi jokes work probably better if there was an

00:07:22   audience to laugh at the unknowing developer audience.

00:07:25   So some of those I was like, eh, maybe there would have been better in person.

00:07:27   It's the late night talk show host problem, right?

00:07:30   Like John Oliver, I enjoy John Oliver, but it's not as funny when there's not an audience

00:07:34   there to laugh.

00:07:35   When there's no laughter, right?

00:07:36   It's a totally different kind of vibe.

00:07:37   So they have, they have that issue.

00:07:39   Um, but they also again continue their run of doing kind of goofy intro videos that are

00:07:44   on a available kind of on a, on a meta level here.

00:07:48   It's like people imagining things that then they acted out with the, the fake Tim and

00:07:53   fake Craig, which I thought was a lot of fun.

00:07:56   I thought that was hilarious.

00:07:57   Yeah.

00:07:58   And then, and then to give us that feeling of a live event, Tim enters the, the event

00:08:03   to applause and it's a bunch of emojis in the audience, which I was really worried that

00:08:08   that was going to be like a permanent thing throughout the presentation.

00:08:12   I really didn't want that to be the case, you know, just these bunch of creepy heads.

00:08:16   They bookended it and all, but, but yeah, it is, it is definitely in line with what we've

00:08:20   seen before.

00:08:21   I think what's interesting is the, the, um, just on an overall level, the mixture of developer

00:08:27   and non-developer content.

00:08:29   Apple has struggled with this for a long time.

00:08:32   After Apple realized that the developer conference keynote was also an event that drew attention

00:08:36   just because it's Apple.

00:08:38   Apple has struggled with this idea that they want to use it as a platform to make announcements

00:08:43   that a lot of people are going to pay attention to that are not developers, but also that

00:08:48   it is a developer conference.

00:08:49   And the point is the developers.

00:08:51   And I felt like, I don't know, I felt like there were moments where it felt like just

00:08:55   another Apple product presentation, and then it would swerve into developer stuff and then

00:09:02   it would swerve back.

00:09:04   And I just, I thought it was a little bit odd and I don't know if there's a right answer

00:09:08   here.

00:09:09   I think this is a fundamental problem short of Apple just going full nerd and literally

00:09:13   saying don't watch this regular people, which is what the state of the union presentation

00:09:19   is essentially.

00:09:20   Uh, I think this is always going to be a struggle because just because of Apple's prominence,

00:09:25   people are going to be paying attention to this and they are going to want to know about

00:09:28   the next, uh, OS versions for everything.

00:09:32   And yet it is also a message to developers.

00:09:36   And so they just, they kind of swerve back and forth a little bit.

00:09:39   It's hard, it's hard thing for them to do.

00:09:40   I think they do a decent job.

00:09:43   I mean, let me just preface this by saying I watched all of Google IO this year and let

00:09:48   me tell you compared to Google, they do a significantly better job because the problem

00:09:53   with Google IO is you get to hear a bunch about like how Google search is improving,

00:09:58   which no one cares about except Google, right?

00:10:00   Like people don't like general users.

00:10:02   I don't really think that they care that you can now shop in Google images.

00:10:06   Like I don't need that.

00:10:08   Like even if I do, like I'm not going to be like, finally, right?

00:10:11   Like it will just happen to me and I'll be fine with it.

00:10:14   At least with the stuff that Apple's announcing, one, all developers are Apple customers, so

00:10:18   they benefit from this too.

00:10:20   And also I think setting, it sets the tone of what the platforms are going to be focusing

00:10:25   on, which can be a guiding light for developers.

00:10:28   Where it gets weird for me is when they announce things that some of which have clear ramifications

00:10:35   for developers and some of which don't, right?

00:10:38   That's when it gets weird is they're like, because I get wanting to roll out the new

00:10:42   features of your operating system, that's one of the things you're doing here, but that's

00:10:45   a more kind of broad approach, which is not, does not mean that they're not going to recap

00:10:50   all of this in September or October when they release these things, because not everybody

00:10:54   will remember or has paid attention today.

00:10:57   That's fine.

00:10:58   But they'll do these things where they'll be like, oh, look at this amazing feature

00:11:00   and it's in FaceTime and it's in messages and it's everywhere else and you can put it

00:11:05   in your app too.

00:11:06   And then they'll go onto the next amazing feature and they'll be like, and look at this

00:11:09   amazing feature.

00:11:11   It's in Siri and news.

00:11:12   Anyway, moving on and I'll be like, so those are the ones that get me where it's like, this

00:11:18   is for you developers.

00:11:19   This is not for you developers.

00:11:22   Especially when it's stuff where developers could look at it and be like, I would like

00:11:25   to be able to take advantage of this.

00:11:27   I know you're not going to let me, you know, like, and that's, that's the awkward part

00:11:30   of it.

00:11:31   It's hard.

00:11:32   I have my very own mini WWDC here at mega studio today.

00:11:35   Underscore David Smith is here and we watched WWDC together and I asked him what he felt

00:11:40   afterwards and he said that as a developer, they felt like there was kind of nothing for

00:11:46   him from the keynote.

00:11:47   Like there wasn't the big thing, right?

00:11:51   Last year there were widgets, obviously a big deal for David, but like, you know, like

00:11:56   just in general for say every year there is like the thing you can as a developer focus

00:12:02   on and this year it was like a lot of small things.

00:12:05   But what I will say as a customer, as a user, I felt like this year have more things I am

00:12:12   interested in that I can use and pay attention to than last year did.

00:12:16   I feel like that some, especially, uh, iPadOS, which we'll get to later on, it felt like

00:12:22   it had more stuff that I think I will be able to take advantage of than say iOS 14 did where

00:12:28   it felt a little bit like, well, we'll just wait and see what developers do.

00:12:32   Where this year it felt like Apple themselves have much more to present as these are features

00:12:37   for people.

00:12:38   Yeah, I agree.

00:12:39   I agree.

00:12:40   It definitely felt that way.

00:12:42   Also unsaid here, um, big, when we're talking about big picture things unsaid here, one,

00:12:49   unification of the platforms did not get a lot of things that were not like we got features

00:12:54   in the iPhone, basically the iOS section.

00:12:57   And then they said, and also on iPad and Mac, we got features in the iPad section.

00:13:01   It was like also on iPhone and Mac, and we got features in the Mac session that were

00:13:06   also on iPad and iPhone.

00:13:08   So I felt like there were, there were years when there would be these big features and

00:13:13   then you would get to the Mac and it'd be like, Nope, nothing here.

00:13:17   And not the case.

00:13:18   Now it feels like Apple is now really kind of fully integrated where these things are

00:13:23   happening everywhere.

00:13:25   And um, and so that's, I think that's a good thing, but that's definitely one of the things

00:13:30   that they, uh, that I noticed this time.

00:13:33   And it goes to the messages about, uh, about the consumer feature side of it, right.

00:13:38   Which is, which is a big part of it.

00:13:40   But I think that going along with that is a, maybe a quest for a little unstated, a little

00:13:45   quest for stability that maybe these features are not as radical.

00:13:51   Um, and that's a good thing because there's been a lot going on on Apple's platforms and

00:13:57   maybe this year they're, uh, keeping it a little bit lower key.

00:14:02   And I think that is probably okay.

00:14:04   Also because of the pandemic, it's also possible that they really tried to say, let's not bite

00:14:09   off more than we can chew after what has been going on for the last year.

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00:15:28   Let's actually start with the platform that got the least attention today, I think.

00:15:32   Well, except for tvOS, I got nothing.

00:15:34   There's a couple of little things coming to tvOS, but it's mostly like we had to add this

00:15:40   kind of stuff.

00:15:41   So it's getting some of those like sharey features and things like that and some stuff

00:15:44   that will maybe touch on when we talk about home.

00:15:47   But let's talk about watchOS.

00:15:51   It's weird that like to me now, I feel like the Apple Watch has really matured fast as

00:15:57   a platform.

00:15:58   Like it has hit the areas that it touches on and they don't seem to be eager or overeager

00:16:06   to add features it maybe doesn't need as a platform.

00:16:11   I feel like this has been a success for Apple in that way.

00:16:14   I think that's right.

00:16:15   I think that I have a question and perhaps we'll learn more as this week goes on from

00:16:19   developers.

00:16:20   I want to know, are they hitting the pain points in the background here, right?

00:16:26   Because in terms of features, there's not a lot here.

00:16:27   In terms of features, it feels very much like Apple really just wants to do app updates

00:16:34   on watchOS.

00:16:35   So I'm hoping that people who develop watch apps will say, "Oh, in the background, they're

00:16:39   really addressing a bunch of technical things that are going to be good.

00:16:43   Tell me about it, developers."

00:16:44   Right?

00:16:45   The developers are going to have to tell us that.

00:16:46   But from my perspective, yeah, it's new apps and app enhancements is a lot of what it is.

00:16:52   And I think some of these are based on the spirit of the times, but some of them are

00:16:57   also finally kind of clearing up half-baked apps that were kind of obligatory in early

00:17:05   versions of watchOS that they're now making better.

00:17:09   And they've been doing this gradually over time, but there was a lot of time spent on

00:17:13   the Photos app on watchOS.

00:17:15   And that's a great example where as somebody who's written a book about photos every summer,

00:17:20   and I feel every time they mentioned photos on stage, I feel the hours that I'm going

00:17:23   to be putting in, updating my book, weigh upon me.

00:17:27   But I will tell you, the Photos app on watchOS has been really not anything.

00:17:35   Right?

00:17:36   It literally, it auto synced your favorites and you could kind of scroll through them

00:17:39   and view a photo.

00:17:41   And what they showed with the Photos app is, "Oh, we made it a real app now."

00:17:45   In the context of early watchOS, they couldn't and they didn't have the time or the power,

00:17:50   but now they do.

00:17:51   So now they have memory highlights and featured photos and they have sharing support.

00:18:00   They did a whole bunch of stuff for that.

00:18:03   And now it's a more powerful thing.

00:18:05   Plus they use the portrait mode stuff, which is not technically in the Photos app, but

00:18:08   they're using the portrait mode stuff to build a watch face.

00:18:11   It's more sophisticated stuff in the area of photos because that was an area that they

00:18:14   kind of did the minimal effort on and then let it sit there for a while.

00:18:18   Or text input, where we were very excited when Scribble came along.

00:18:21   But you know, you get Scribble and you got your emoji inputs.

00:18:25   And as an Apple Watch user, whenever I'm out somewhere, because I will frequently go for

00:18:29   walks or runs and I don't bring my phone.

00:18:33   I just bring my cellular Apple Watch.

00:18:35   You're an Apple ad over there, aren't you?

00:18:37   Running through the hills in San Francisco.

00:18:39   And AirPods, yeah, exactly right.

00:18:41   And then I can see my own 3D map of San Francisco with my eyes.

00:18:45   So when they say, "Oh, well, we want to let you mix Scribble and voice input and emoji

00:18:51   together and basically do some proper sort of text editing of the thing you're inputting

00:18:55   in order to send a message from your Apple Watch."

00:18:57   Like I really appreciate that because I am often in situations where I'm trying to communicate

00:19:01   with somebody with just the Apple Watch and I can't go back to the iPhone when I get frustrated

00:19:07   because I don't have my iPhone with me.

00:19:09   And so that's like, yes, of course that makes sense.

00:19:12   And they let you send little animated GIFs on your Apple Watch now like a face palm.

00:19:18   Great.

00:19:19   All of it is like updating apps, tightening the screws, adding fitness workouts, right?

00:19:25   Boy, that would have been a great draft pick because there's always new fitness workout

00:19:29   types.

00:19:30   Some new fitness plus stuff, celebrity workouts and musical artist themed workouts and stuff.

00:19:36   And those fitness plus is technically an Apple Watch service.

00:19:40   So that's all in there.

00:19:41   And then like making the Breathe app better because the Breathe app was super simple and

00:19:45   they've made it more...

00:19:46   Well, it's part of the new mindfulness app.

00:19:49   Right.

00:19:50   And they've added in those other things.

00:19:52   Reflect, which is a mindfulness thing.

00:19:53   So they ask you kind of like mindfulness prompts, you know, so like daily questions, daily reminders.

00:19:59   You know, this is becoming a popular thing.

00:20:01   I mean, it's part of a business I'm building too, like journaling.

00:20:05   It's a thing that helps people.

00:20:06   I believe in it.

00:20:07   Many other people do.

00:20:08   Taking that time to reflect on a thing can help you.

00:20:11   And I think this is a simple thing.

00:20:14   Like, you know, kind of what I'm hoping that Apple continue to do is more than just this,

00:20:19   like what can you use potential sensors for to help people with stress and anxiety?

00:20:24   What can science help there with something on your wrist?

00:20:27   But just even the things where the software is prompting you to take a break, to take

00:20:31   a moment, sit and think for a second, like evaluate some stuff.

00:20:35   They're just big mental health things that could be of great use to people.

00:20:40   You mentioned about photos.

00:20:42   Interesting anecdote, like Lil Tibbit, the photos watch face Apple said is the most popular

00:20:46   watch face for Apple Watch.

00:20:48   So they're adding in that portrait one as well.

00:20:50   Wouldn't have guessed that.

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00:20:58   at all times, fed by our complications that come from our third party apps.

00:21:04   Isn't this great?

00:21:05   And then the public responds with, well, yeah, but can I have a picture of my dog?

00:21:09   This is one of those great things that highlights the disconnect amongst our technology minded

00:21:16   and focused community and the wider community.

00:21:20   We are give me more data, show me the computer.

00:21:23   And most people are just like, Hey, I'm going to wear this thing.

00:21:25   It gives me a notification to attract my health.

00:21:27   I would like to see a picture of my kids.

00:21:29   Thanks.

00:21:30   Yep.

00:21:31   And now, and that's why that portrait mode thing is so smart because it's using the layer

00:21:36   data they've already got to do like a multi-layered watch face.

00:21:40   That's super clever.

00:21:41   And it uses all of that technology that Apple's already got available to it to do something

00:21:46   for, you know, if Apple didn't think that that was a popular face, they wouldn't do

00:21:51   it, but they know for a fact that it is.

00:21:53   And it makes sense.

00:21:54   You put your resources toward that.

00:21:55   And it's, I mean, again, I don't know, you know, the bit betters are rolling out now as

00:21:59   we're talking, people are installing them and we'll have definitely more to follow up

00:22:02   on next week about it all.

00:22:03   But I don't think they did any other watch faces.

00:22:07   And that's interesting.

00:22:09   I feel like in previous years, they've had a handful of them.

00:22:12   Yeah.

00:22:13   And this was just one, which is around photos.

00:22:17   So you know, like not only did you not get custom watch faces, you didn't get any more.

00:22:22   And I don't know.

00:22:23   So one of the things that they have added, it was in the little feature slide we spoke

00:22:26   about it, right.

00:22:27   Which is more information, more available for developers for always on watch faces.

00:22:32   Maybe that's more of a thing, right?

00:22:34   Like what you actually want to see more is, and that's your watch face, the thing that

00:22:37   you're currently using or have been using, maybe that is more of a benefit, but it doesn't

00:22:42   really seem like that there's much added in the way of watches.

00:22:45   Now it is worth noting.

00:22:47   Multiple named timers I'll throw in as again, a watchOS user.

00:22:50   Like yeah, that again, I don't know why it took so long, but yeah, these are all frustrations.

00:22:55   And that's what leads me to think like, this seems very clearly as a watch user, like they

00:23:01   are paying attention to how people use the watch and where the pain points are and that

00:23:05   what they did here was when, what you said before about how this is a mature operating

00:23:11   system.

00:23:12   I think that's exactly right in the sense that they are not rushing to just fill this

00:23:19   thing with features that are maybe not the greatest, but you got to have them.

00:23:22   You got to like, you're fighting a battle there.

00:23:24   This was very much like, Hey, where are our customers missing out?

00:23:28   What can we give them that would delight them?

00:23:30   And what are we not giving them that frustrates them?

00:23:32   Can we fix some of that?

00:23:34   And just at a glance based on just the keynote and a very brief segment about it, that's

00:23:39   how it came across to me is, is I'm hopeful that watchOS 8 is going to have a bunch of

00:23:44   these sort of like little details and that's fine.

00:23:48   That's great.

00:23:49   Cause it does what it already does what I want it to do.

00:23:50   Right.

00:23:51   It already does it all.

00:23:52   So I'm fine with this.

00:23:54   I will add though that obviously WWDC is not the only time Apple can and does add watch

00:24:00   faces.

00:24:01   So there could be more watch faces in watchOS 8 by the time that the watch 7 is released.

00:24:06   Yeah.

00:24:07   We all know that new watches, new iPhones in the fall generate features and potentially

00:24:13   new Macs or iPads, but definitely new watches and iPhones.

00:24:16   There are sometimes features that are exclusive to that hardware that don't get mentioned

00:24:20   now.

00:24:21   Like the one they added the altimeter, right?

00:24:22   They added specific watch faces or advancements to watch faces just for that.

00:24:26   So you know, it's possible for them to add it there.

00:24:29   I mean, you know, some of the stuff you're saying about fitness, like the new fitness

00:24:32   plus workouts and stuff, they're available like now.

00:24:34   Right.

00:24:35   So like this is just a time to talk on some of that stuff.

00:24:37   Right.

00:24:38   And put Apple watch in the context of fitness plus and vice versa.

00:24:41   Like just to remind everybody that of that connection and that those products work together.

00:24:46   And so that was a good opportunity for them.

00:24:49   But the expansion for always on watch faces, I think is going to be the biggest thing here

00:24:53   for users and developers.

00:24:54   You know, I don't know the details.

00:24:56   It was just on that slide, but I'm looking forward to hearing more because yes, that

00:25:00   was a needed thing.

00:25:01   I hope they, my guess is that people are going to look at it and go, oh, well, it's not as

00:25:04   far as I, as I wished it to go.

00:25:06   And I'm like, okay, I get it.

00:25:08   I get it.

00:25:09   But it's the right direction to go in.

00:25:10   Like more of that, please.

00:25:12   You have a little more power to the always on watch face stuff.

00:25:16   Like give us a little bit more than we are currently getting.

00:25:19   One of the things that was different about this year's WWDC is they gave some dedicated

00:25:23   segments to things that they've not done before and some of them spanned different products.

00:25:29   Some of them were just focused around a specific product.

00:25:32   AirPods was one of them.

00:25:34   And they added a few different features for AirPods specifically.

00:25:36   I mean, I guess also iOS, iPadOS, macOS, Rex, they interact with it.

00:25:41   One is conversation boost, which is to help people who have hearing difficulties to use

00:25:46   their AirPods and the microphones in their AirPods with some customization levels to

00:25:49   help them work for them.

00:25:51   So that was great.

00:25:53   Something better with Find My, I mean, fine.

00:25:56   Some of the stuff they were showing off, like it seemed like stuff I already have, but maybe

00:25:59   enhancements to it, like being able to play the sound when your AirPods are in the case

00:26:03   as well as just when they're outside.

00:26:05   They're using some of the UI that you find with AirTags to help you locate them, but it's

00:26:10   obviously not with the U1 chips.

00:26:12   I hope that they add that in future AirPods products still.

00:26:16   Separation alerts if you forgot them, you know, that's kind of cool.

00:26:19   Announce notifications.

00:26:20   And I'll ask you, Jason, do you use the Announce Messages feature of AirPods?

00:26:24   No, no, no, no, no, no.

00:26:27   Okay.

00:26:28   I do.

00:26:29   I hate it.

00:26:30   I hate it.

00:26:31   And I like it and also hate it, but I do like it sometimes when I want it.

00:26:37   They announced Announce Notifications.

00:26:39   I immediately said absolutely no way because that seemed like a terrible idea, but you'll

00:26:45   be able to choose which apps you can enable using some of the focus modes, which we'll

00:26:48   talk about in a bit.

00:26:49   But I don't know, maybe certain apps, like for example, I would probably want Slack DMs

00:26:55   if I'm also going to have iMessages, right?

00:26:58   Sure.

00:26:59   But do I want my email?

00:27:00   No, I don't want that.

00:27:01   The reason I'm against it largely is because when I'm in the context where I'm walking

00:27:05   around with my AirPods, especially when I'm on the Apple Watch and I'm running or walking

00:27:10   the dog or something, I'm not really looking to be interrupted.

00:27:18   And although I do get notifications in that context, I'm always listening to music or

00:27:24   listening to a podcast usually.

00:27:26   And it's very frustrating when the audio that I'm listening to gets interrupted because

00:27:31   somebody like you're already interrupting my run or my walk with tapping my wrist.

00:27:39   Like I don't, that's already an imposition.

00:27:41   And a lot of times since I'm out there with just my Apple Watch, it's very rarely something

00:27:45   I do need to respond to.

00:27:47   And so I'll get these messages and I've gotten it where it's like, "Hey, the developers who

00:27:52   have my messages ID, which regret giving that out, will be like, 'Hey, I got a new beta.

00:28:00   Can I brief you on it?'"

00:28:01   And I'm like, "I am running."

00:28:02   Oh, that's terrible.

00:28:03   I don't want that.

00:28:05   And it'll be like, I might respond and be like, "Okay," or "I'll talk to you later,"

00:28:10   or whatever.

00:28:11   And they're like, "No, no, I'm going to respond now a couple more times."

00:28:14   But really the truth is the only level of interruption that I'm willing to have when

00:28:18   I'm out like that is the tap on the wrist.

00:28:21   To have it be breaking my podcast that I'm listening to on top of that, it's just personally,

00:28:27   my use case doesn't work for me.

00:28:30   So I get it.

00:28:31   I could get it in certain circumstances with certain devices in certain contexts, but in

00:28:37   general, I feel like there are enough ways for me to be notified that don't involve interrupting

00:28:42   the audio that I'm listening to, that I turned all that stuff off.

00:28:45   Yeah, I do like it.

00:28:47   I wear my AirPods a lot of the day, right?

00:28:51   Sometimes I'm not even listening to things and I just leave them in.

00:28:53   I don't think I'm alone in this thing.

00:28:55   Lots of people do this.

00:28:56   So I don't wear an Apple watch, right?

00:28:58   So I'm not getting those taps.

00:29:00   It can be helpful.

00:29:01   So Paul in the Discord points out that when he is riding a bike, the announced stuff is

00:29:07   good.

00:29:08   And I actually agree.

00:29:09   When I have done that, I don't do much bike riding anymore.

00:29:10   I'm mostly doing running.

00:29:12   But when I was doing something like riding a bike where I'm not really, it's not really

00:29:16   safe for me to look at my wrist.

00:29:18   Something like that, where you've got a much more Siri focused kind of workflow, I could

00:29:22   see it.

00:29:23   I guess you could now kind of maybe use the new focus mode.

00:29:27   You set a mode like, "Hey, I'm riding the bike," and then you get your messages announced

00:29:30   to you.

00:29:31   That's pretty cool.

00:29:32   Yeah.

00:29:33   I think we'll get to that stuff, but I think that that's where this stuff is going, which

00:29:36   is give me a lot more granularity over who gets through and what apps get through.

00:29:43   And that would help a lot.

00:29:46   Spatial audio is coming to tvOS and M1 Macs with app pods, which is great.

00:29:50   That's a feature that they definitely should have added.

00:29:52   I'm intrigued to see how they're going to make that work.

00:29:55   Yeah.

00:29:56   And they're going to do the thing where if you move your head around your audio field

00:30:01   pans, too.

00:30:02   But how do they know where my TV is?

00:30:05   So we, let's see, ATP I think talked about this, but the answer is basically when you

00:30:11   start playing something, it's not really about knowing where your device is.

00:30:17   It's about knowing where your head's positioned when you start playing something.

00:30:20   And so the idea here is when you start playing something, your head is looking at the screen

00:30:25   and that's the center.

00:30:27   And if you spend, I suspect if you spend a lot of time sort of off to the left, then

00:30:32   it will do a little re-centering at that point.

00:30:36   So I think there's some trickery going on there where it doesn't actually need to know

00:30:38   physically where your screen is.

00:30:40   It knows where you're looking and that's enough for it to figure it out.

00:30:43   But anyway, it's going to do it, which is great.

00:30:45   It should have been there probably before, but they're syncing these features up now.

00:30:49   So that'll be on tvOS and on macOS.

00:30:52   Again, these features that get rolled out across all of Apple's platforms, M1 Macs will

00:30:58   also get spatial audio.

00:31:01   Spatial audio for Apple Music, that's coming now.

00:31:03   So starting today is when the first tracks are going to start coming out for that.

00:31:07   I am really excited to check it out.

00:31:09   It was actually one of the albums they announced was an exact album that I wanted, which was

00:31:13   the Weeknd's most recent album.

00:31:15   I was listening to that a couple of weeks ago after that Apple announced the spatial

00:31:19   audio thing and was thinking, I want to hear this album in spatial audio.

00:31:22   I hope that that's one of the ones that they do.

00:31:24   And it was, so I'm pleased and looking forward to listening to it.

00:31:28   But there was nothing, one of the things we were hoping for and expecting, to kind of

00:31:32   suggest a way for Apple to do something with AirPods to enable lossless support.

00:31:37   They didn't do that.

00:31:38   I don't know if they ever will now, right?

00:31:40   Like they didn't do it now.

00:31:41   Maybe they could do it later.

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00:32:55   So we got that home segment.

00:32:56   Yeah.

00:32:57   They built the sets, people.

00:32:59   I mean, there wasn't really a lot to this, to be honest.

00:33:02   I was expecting something bigger.

00:33:05   There were rumors of Home OS as a thing that was potentially coming, right?

00:33:08   Right, and potentially new home announcements and things.

00:33:13   But this did exactly what I expected them to do.

00:33:15   This did exactly what I expected them to do.

00:33:17   So Matter, they put up the logo, right?

00:33:22   Like the Matter Home Alliance support in iOS 15.

00:33:25   I feel like that was actually the number one thing.

00:33:27   So not an unveiling of Apple's grand home strategy, if there is one, but definitely

00:33:33   a broadening linking to the Matter stuff, mentioning using Siri on third-party devices.

00:33:43   We just knew that's a new thing.

00:33:46   They showed an ecobee thermostat that you could talk to and tell it to do something.

00:33:54   The Home app on Apple Watch, I don't think anybody had that in Keynote Bingo, but there

00:33:58   it is having a better version of that.

00:34:01   Another app, actually speaking of Apple Watch, another app that was not very good.

00:34:05   The stuff you could do on the Apple Watch was really limited and looks like there's

00:34:08   much more that you can do there.

00:34:12   Getting in, I thought it was funny that there's a shared with you in the TV app for all of

00:34:19   you collection of shows and movies that are based on sort of everybody in your home.

00:34:22   I thought that was really funny that we're getting all of these great family sharing

00:34:25   features when you still can't share your photo library.

00:34:27   But all these other family sharing features that use their kind of a recommendation engine

00:34:34   and all of that is in there.

00:34:36   But the one that made me actually excited because it's something that I want to use is last year

00:34:43   they mentioned CarKey, the idea that you could use sort of like an Apple Pay style wallet

00:34:49   style card to open cars.

00:34:52   And they did extend that this time to Ultra Wideband.

00:34:57   That's really the future because then there's very precise proximity detail.

00:35:01   That's the future of CarKeys is going to be.

00:35:03   Ultra Wideband on your smartphone is your CarKey, but here they added a thing called

00:35:08   HomeKeys, which tap to securely unlock a door.

00:35:13   This is basically NFC key support on the device on the iPhone.

00:35:19   And you will immediately see every SmartKey manufacturer either release a module or a

00:35:24   new lock that supports HomeKeys because this is what everybody really wants to do is tap

00:35:33   their phone or their watch and get into their house.

00:35:36   Because right now as somebody with a SmartLock on their door, right now it's like Bluetooth

00:35:40   LE and it's complicated and it's weird.

00:35:43   And this is very straightforward because for the same reason as the CarKey with NFC or

00:35:48   with UWB is powerful is it's more precise about your location and they can get closer

00:35:57   to your door and know you're standing at your door, tapping on the lock and letting you

00:36:01   in.

00:36:02   Whereas with Bluetooth LE, it's like, did you go away?

00:36:06   Are you back now?

00:36:07   I guess you're back now.

00:36:08   So I'll unlock the door and it works, but it's not very precise and it's sometimes very

00:36:15   slow.

00:36:16   You walk up to the door and then you stand there and five seconds later the door unlocks.

00:36:20   So this is a much more kind of direct thing.

00:36:22   So we'll see a lot more of that when this feature ships.

00:36:25   The idea of the kind of like the locking, unlocking as I walk towards and away, I've

00:36:30   never liked the thought of that.

00:36:32   I feel like for my, just the way that I am, I would feel like I would constantly need

00:36:36   to be checking, but in trying to check would continue to keep unlocking and locking the

00:36:39   door, right?

00:36:40   So I like the idea of there being a physical connection, you know, like I take my phone

00:36:45   out and I wave it and it unlocks.

00:36:47   I like that thought more than a kind of proximity based thing.

00:36:52   So I think that's pretty cool.

00:36:53   And they also spoke about that coming to hotel rooms and they're working with a bunch of

00:36:58   hotel chains as well as a thing for the future.

00:37:02   So that seemed kind of cool.

00:37:04   HomePod Mini is getting a bunch of features like stereo pairing.

00:37:07   So it's going to work the same way that the regular HomePod stereo pair does right now.

00:37:13   I'm great.

00:37:14   And the way that they're adding this, it's a great feature and I think will work great

00:37:18   with HomePod Mini and you'd be able to get that set up for cheaper than an original HomePod

00:37:23   was.

00:37:24   So I think that's a good feature.

00:37:25   And please, I will say, since I did the, I did a full reset of my HomePods and with the

00:37:30   most recent updates to 14.6 or whatever, it's working flawlessly now.

00:37:34   So not had any issues at all like I was having.

00:37:37   So I, once again, thumbs up to the HomePod stereo pair features working for me again.

00:37:43   What did you think about Siri on third-party devices?

00:37:46   Yeah, I just, I think it's about time.

00:37:49   I don't know the details and the details are always weird.

00:37:52   I remember this when like Sonos added Alexa and it was like, "Oh, great."

00:37:59   And then, you know, big footnote.

00:38:02   But it doesn't really work like you think it does and it's not that good and you might

00:38:05   decide you don't even want to use it.

00:38:07   So we'll see.

00:38:08   But I think this is yet another example of Apple realizing that there are places where

00:38:16   Apple keeping its stuff locked into its devices and its platforms and not having it be a little

00:38:23   bit broader just hurts it.

00:38:25   Doesn't help it.

00:38:26   It actually hurts it.

00:38:27   It's actually against what Apple is trying to do.

00:38:30   And in the home space, you see it with matter.

00:38:32   This is Apple realizing that the way you do this is not by locking everything down, but

00:38:37   is by opening it up and competing.

00:38:39   And that's what they're doing.

00:38:41   So one of the other things that Apple broke out was health and they specifically talk

00:38:45   about health in its own section.

00:38:48   Did anything jump out?

00:38:49   Yeah, I'm not going to lie.

00:38:50   I think it's great that they do this stuff.

00:38:52   But just for me personally, like a lot of these features don't really jump out at me.

00:38:57   Was there anything for you?

00:38:59   Honestly, I'm sure that some of this stuff is important, but I thought this was by far

00:39:04   the most boring part of the entire presentation.

00:39:08   It began with a fairly boring video.

00:39:11   Which I felt like I couldn't connect to.

00:39:13   I didn't know what I was supposed to take away from that.

00:39:15   No, and I...

00:39:16   As either a user or developer.

00:39:18   Yeah, it was like, isn't it great that we're doing research and working with the medical

00:39:23   field?

00:39:24   And I don't know, the balance and gait stuff I thought was really clever.

00:39:28   That's an example of Apple looking at all the data it collects on movement when you're

00:39:31   walking around and saying, "Could we actually do something with this?" and then doing a

00:39:34   study and figuring it out.

00:39:36   And if that truly can lead to...

00:39:38   They said, "Warning you that you might be at greater risk of falling because your walking

00:39:42   is unstable."

00:39:43   I was thinking also it might be an early warning of motor diseases and things that you wouldn't

00:39:48   maybe notice, but that your phone notices.

00:39:51   I think that was an interesting little addition to health on the iPhone.

00:39:58   They're adding more trends stuff, which was very much a thing of like, "Oh, well, they're

00:40:01   already doing that.

00:40:02   They're just really adding more and going in the direction they've already gone."

00:40:06   And then the lab integration and sharing stuff with your health provider, my response was,

00:40:11   "This is all great.

00:40:14   Will it actually work with anybody's providers?"

00:40:16   Right, because that's always the question is it's great that you've got the ability

00:40:21   to share your data with your health provider.

00:40:23   It's great that you've got the ability to get this lab's data in and out of your device.

00:40:29   But the asterisk is always, "It only works with the three partners that we've worked

00:40:33   with."

00:40:34   So what's the end result there?

00:40:36   I think the end result there is probably that in a few years this will be much more usable,

00:40:40   but it's doubtful to me that something like that's going to happen anytime immediately.

00:40:45   It's more like, "Oh, yes, great.

00:40:48   You can share with your provider.

00:40:49   We will -- the maker of the enterprise system that provides that data to my provider will

00:40:56   update its software to do that in four years."

00:40:59   It's like, "Okay, well, I'll see you then."

00:41:01   I guess the thing that most users would care about was the family kind of sharing of health

00:41:06   data.

00:41:07   Yeah, and that was -- again, I joked about it earlier, but there's just a lot of family

00:41:11   stuff in this set of releases.

00:41:14   And it's funny because the family feature that a lot of us wanted in terms of photos

00:41:17   is just never going to come apparently, but that they did try to come up with some of

00:41:21   these ideas.

00:41:22   So the idea that you can share health data with people in your family, that's I think

00:41:26   especially going to be strong for things like the elderly sharing with their kids how they're

00:41:33   doing or other people who are helping them out.

00:41:37   I can see that as a real advantage.

00:41:38   And then I'll throw in there another thing that they mentioned, which is this sort of

00:41:42   with Apple IDs, the legacy stuff, the idea that I was talking to in a Slack with the

00:41:47   Glenn Fleischman who does Mac 911, the column at Macworld, and he said one of the top questions

00:41:52   that he gets is about people who died and the Apple ID kind of gets shut off.

00:41:57   And it's a huge problem.

00:41:58   And so Apple addressing that directly, you know, these are all kind of like looking at

00:42:03   the bigger picture of --

00:42:04   I think that was part of iCloud Plus, right, which is we're going to get to, it wasn't

00:42:08   so much about --

00:42:09   Yeah, but it's that idea that you've got data that you want to keep private and secure and

00:42:12   all that, but you don't want to make it a silo that nobody can get into and that they

00:42:17   seem to have built a bunch of, you know, they always say secure and private, but like abilities

00:42:22   to set up a sharing relationship and say, no, this person, like my mom shares some of

00:42:28   her Apple Watch health data with me.

00:42:31   Like that maybe makes sense, right?

00:42:34   And so they seem to be headed down that path.

00:42:36   What about privacy?

00:42:38   They had like a whole section on privacy.

00:42:40   We mentioned the mail privacy protection thing.

00:42:43   They're expanding the website privacy report thing that you get in Safari out to apps and

00:42:50   it's doing a couple of things as well as showing you what system things the apps are requiring.

00:42:57   So like location data, contact data, things you have said that the apps can have access

00:43:02   to, but showing you when and how often they're being shown.

00:43:05   So what's really smart about that is there's granting permission, right?

00:43:08   And they've done this granting permission thing.

00:43:09   I would argue that maybe they've overdone it where it's extra confusing.

00:43:13   Like you can't, they ask you in increments.

00:43:15   So they're like, do you want to share location?

00:43:17   And then later it's like, are you sure you want to share a location for all time?

00:43:22   And then later it'll come back and say, look at where you've been.

00:43:25   You've been sharing your location with this app.

00:43:27   Are you sure you want to do that?

00:43:28   I think that it's too much.

00:43:30   I think that that's one of those cases where Apple is kind of overdoing it because they're

00:43:34   treating us like babies who have to be, oh, you dumb user.

00:43:37   You said you wanted to share location with your weather app, but you don't really, right?

00:43:41   Did you know that...

00:43:42   Who would want to do that?

00:43:43   Why would you want your weather app to know where you are?

00:43:46   So what's smart about this new feature is if you grant permission, you get to see when

00:43:51   it's used.

00:43:52   And I like that.

00:43:53   I like the idea that it's like, it's not just that I'm granting this audio app permission

00:43:57   to record my, you know, use my microphone, but I can look and see when it used the microphone.

00:44:02   And this is a way, you know, to give you, I guess, to see nefarious uses, but also to

00:44:07   give you peace of mind.

00:44:09   Like you can see when this particular permission was actually used.

00:44:12   I think that's smart.

00:44:13   And they're also kind of expanding and bringing in some of the web-based stuff into apps too,

00:44:18   which is really interesting.

00:44:20   So showing if an application is talking to things on the web and what they are.

00:44:26   They're bringing a lot of their stuff directly into apps.

00:44:31   The idea is your app is going to have a privacy report.

00:44:34   Third-party domains accessed by the app are going to be listed.

00:44:38   This is all, you know, at least at this point, it's a very much a disclosure kind of thing,

00:44:43   but this is all just Apple, I would say ratcheting up.

00:44:48   It's all in the details, right?

00:44:49   But I would think that they're going to be app developers who are going to be made uncomfortable

00:44:52   by this because it's going to expose more information about what their apps are doing

00:44:57   to the users who care about it.

00:44:59   And what's interesting too is that this doesn't seem like it's a policy change, right?

00:45:03   It's just a disclosure.

00:45:05   So it's not Apple saying we're blocking third-party app domains.

00:45:09   It's Apple saying we're going to list all third-party app domains that your app contacts

00:45:13   and your users can see it.

00:45:16   And that's, I don't know, Apple's got a lot of trouble brewing and some of it is about

00:45:25   like Facebook and the app tracking transparency and all of that.

00:45:29   That's a policy change, right?

00:45:31   That's a we're going to make you not do this unless you ask.

00:45:35   This is not that.

00:45:36   This is just a disclosure thing, but I think it's a very Apple kind of thing to do.

00:45:40   And I think it's all for the good based on what I know so far, but who knows about the

00:45:44   details.

00:45:45   iCloud Plus.

00:45:47   This is not a joke.

00:45:48   Uh, iCloud Plus.

00:45:49   Another Plus service has arrived.

00:45:50   I love it.

00:45:51   Go for it.

00:45:52   Let's just Plus it.

00:45:53   You know, they follow on the greatest Plus, which is Upgrade Plus.

00:45:56   They go to iCloud Plus.

00:45:57   iCloud Plus, let me, let me frame this for you, Myke.

00:46:00   What iCloud Plus is.

00:46:02   iCloud Plus could just as easily be called, oh, not that iCloud, not that iCloud, because

00:46:13   literally what they say is if you pay for iCloud, you get all these features.

00:46:17   What does it mean?

00:46:18   It's like, well, we know we give you some free iCloud that we haven't upgraded in a

00:46:24   million years.

00:46:25   That's not this.

00:46:29   Everybody else is now iCloud Plus for the same price.

00:46:31   It's not like a new thing.

00:46:33   It's literally they're taking iCloud, which meant like, I mean, they're also service sizing

00:46:38   it, right?

00:46:39   If iCloud is a general thing, like everybody gets access to iCloud and they're saying,

00:46:43   but there are premium features of iCloud that you have to pay for and includes all the,

00:46:46   all the storage that you already got and a bunch of other features.

00:46:49   And iCloud used to mean something much simpler than it does now.

00:46:53   So I get why they're redefining it this way and saying iCloud Plus means you pay and you

00:46:57   get more storage.

00:46:58   I assume if you're in the Apple bundle, you pick up all this stuff too.

00:47:02   And there's a lot of amazing stuff in there.

00:47:04   A bunch of us, I think have talked about and written over the years about Apple could do

00:47:08   more in terms of privacy with like its own VPN.

00:47:11   Private Relay isn't quite a VPN, but it kind of is a VPN that when you're in Safari, that

00:47:19   it's going to encrypt your traffic and send it through two different relays.

00:47:22   So it basically is a VPN inside Safari.

00:47:26   And the two different relays they say is because not even Apple can see what's going through

00:47:30   there because it's going through two different places.

00:47:32   And so it's just even that more, that much more confusing, but that's, I mean, it fits

00:47:39   perfectly with their commitment to privacy to do something like that.

00:47:42   I can't wait to see who complains about that feature because they will.

00:47:46   Hide My Email, which is literally just sign in with Apple on demand for anything to create

00:47:53   a email address that is just a forwarding email address that goes to you.

00:47:57   So people don't need to know who you are.

00:47:59   My immediate thought there was that that'll get abused.

00:48:04   That they're going to need to have a system to report abuse because it's really easy to

00:48:08   send up disposable emails that are used for abuse is a thing that happens.

00:48:12   So they're going to have to watch that.

00:48:13   Oh, so I didn't understand what you meant by that, but yes, of course that's not good,

00:48:18   right?

00:48:19   People use it creating fake email accounts.

00:48:21   To anonymize their abuse of other people, right?

00:48:23   So they're going to have to, and they probably have thought about that, but I love the idea,

00:48:28   right?

00:48:29   Like somebody would ask for your email and you're like, I don't want to give you my email

00:48:31   and sign in with Apple will hide that.

00:48:34   And Hide My Email will just let you do that regardless, which is great.

00:48:39   And then, yeah, they added in, they sort of rolled their existing HomeKit secure video

00:48:44   like as a feature, but now they're sort of restating that as an iCloud plus feature that

00:48:50   you get the unlimited secure video and I guess unlimited cameras.

00:48:55   But what's funny is it's the same prices.

00:48:56   So it's literally just sort of restating what used to be like storage tiers of iCloud and

00:49:01   saying no, no, no.

00:49:02   Now it is a product called iCloud plus that you pay for.

00:49:07   Not that iCloud over there, not that one.

00:49:09   That's the five gigabytes.

00:49:11   Not that one.

00:49:12   Not that one.

00:49:13   Oh, I just, I'm looking on Apple's website.

00:49:14   You can use a custom email domain.

00:49:15   I don't know why you'd ever do that for iCloud mail, but you can now.

00:49:21   So you can personalize your iCloud mail address of a custom domain name and invite family

00:49:25   members to use the same domain with the iCloud mail.

00:49:28   You know, I know why you would do that actually, because there are people that want to do this

00:49:31   and they don't want to use something like Gmail or whatever.

00:49:35   They want something they feel is more privacy focused.

00:49:37   That's why you would do that with Apple.

00:49:38   Yeah, they're using Apple as their mail provider and then they, but they want a custom domain.

00:49:43   That makes sense.

00:49:44   So the private relay thing is interesting to me because it's like the start of VPN features,

00:49:50   right?

00:49:51   It doesn't seem like you could be able to get to choose stuff, but it's given you that

00:49:55   basic level of protection or at least that basic level of anonymity from the websites

00:50:01   that you're visiting, which yes, I'm sure is like, this is another swipe at the web

00:50:06   advertising industry, right?

00:50:07   Like now we're going for all of them, right?

00:50:09   Like it's not just apps.

00:50:10   We're now putting more in place to go in opposition to that kind of stuff.

00:50:17   So that was interesting.

00:50:19   Of course I found private relay personally funny as a name, but you know, that's your

00:50:25   new membership product.

00:50:27   We should call the upgrade plus get upgrade plus.com for private relay.

00:50:32   Our discord is now called private relay.

00:50:33   I'm sorry.

00:50:34   That's just the law.

00:50:35   That's how it has to be.

00:50:36   Well, VPN, the problem with doing VPN for every Apple devices, that's an enormous amount

00:50:40   of traffic, right?

00:50:41   So what they're saying is, well, what about Safari?

00:50:44   Like can we do it with Safari?

00:50:45   And the answer is yeah.

00:50:46   Yeah.

00:50:47   Okay.

00:50:48   We could do it with Safari, but it's going to cost as well.

00:50:49   We'll only give it to the people who are paying us for iCloud.

00:50:50   All right.

00:50:51   Okay.

00:50:52   Let's do that.

00:50:53   So one last thing on iCloud, this is from the setup.

00:50:56   This is sent to me in the members discord.

00:50:59   When you buy a new device, you get to temporarily do a backup, even if you don't have enough

00:51:05   space as part of your plan for up to three weeks.

00:51:10   So you can back it all up no matter what for three weeks and do your device download and

00:51:15   set up.

00:51:16   So this allows you to transfer everything, even if you're on the free plan.

00:51:20   That is fantastic.

00:51:21   They're really never increasing that storage size, but that's good.

00:51:24   But that's one of the major problems from my, and as well now, like with iCloud plus,

00:51:29   they have made iCloud even better, right?

00:51:33   Like even more of a reason to get it.

00:51:36   You get stuff.

00:51:37   And some of these things could be genuinely useful for some people.

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00:53:57   Just before we continue, a bit of real time follow up.

00:54:01   We have a problem.

00:54:02   We have a real time problem.

00:54:03   I don't think we have a problem at all.

00:54:07   Apparently shortcuts on the Mac is maybe built with Swift UI rather than Catalyst.

00:54:15   So that's the thing.

00:54:16   So we have a problem because I've checked with Steven Hackett and he thinks that MailApp

00:54:23   updated with more modern features, my point is valid.

00:54:29   And since they never mentioned that shortcuts was based on Catalyst, I was going to give

00:54:35   it to you.

00:54:36   But now that we found out it's actually not true and they never mentioned it, I think

00:54:39   I got to take that point away from you.

00:54:41   And if that's the case, we're tied.

00:54:44   I don't think that MailApp being updated with modern features is that one little privacy

00:54:49   feature.

00:54:50   I really don't think that's a modern feature of MailApps.

00:54:52   I mean, Hay put it in and trumpeted it.

00:54:56   Is that not the very model of a modern MailApp?

00:54:59   Just because Hay did something doesn't mean it's a feature of like...

00:55:02   It's not the kind of stuff we're talking about.

00:55:04   Like in what we think the pick to be, stuff like snoozing and automatic mail sorting,

00:55:09   it's like a feature of the mail app rather than... because that's not even really part

00:55:14   of the app.

00:55:15   It's part of the iCloud service, right?

00:55:18   Well, no, it's a part of the app.

00:55:21   No, I really don't think so.

00:55:23   Everybody gets that feature, right?

00:55:25   That's not just a iCloud Plus feature.

00:55:27   I really don't think that that's a MailApp feature.

00:55:29   I really don't.

00:55:30   If we're going to do it that way and you want to take the draft victory where you can, but

00:55:34   I really don't think...

00:55:35   I think it's a modern... like, right?

00:55:37   The ability to display them but route them through different places so that they don't

00:55:40   have the tracking ability but you still see the images?

00:55:43   You will not convince me on this.

00:55:45   Like you could, you know...

00:55:46   If we want to go over that way and go what Steven says, then fine, we can do that.

00:55:49   Well, Steven's available if you want to hear from him.

00:55:51   I did just check with him and he...

00:55:53   I can tell you that he ruled in my favor, but you can check in with him if you like.

00:55:57   No, I trust it.

00:55:58   And if that's the case, then fine, you win the draft.

00:56:00   You take it away from me.

00:56:01   Okay.

00:56:02   Late-breaking draft shenanigans before the episode ends.

00:56:04   All right, should we move on to developer updates?

00:56:06   Yeah, let's do it.

00:56:08   So they spend a little bit of time during the keynote talking about that, and they really

00:56:13   focus on a couple of things.

00:56:14   Of course, the State of the Union focuses on way more stuff.

00:56:17   Right, and as we're recording this, they're doing that, so we don't know what that is.

00:56:22   And also we're not developers, so we may not understand it even if we saw it.

00:56:25   But API was one of the things, and then there was like a Star Wars almost of APIs flying

00:56:33   at the screen.

00:56:34   I love it.

00:56:35   It's a little bit like the weird fish Jeremy's, where it's like, "Can two non-programmers

00:56:40   determine what happened in developer technologies based entirely on the image reused on the

00:56:45   screen?"

00:56:46   It was like, "API?

00:56:47   That's got to be good, right?"

00:56:48   Yeah, I didn't understand.

00:56:51   Developer stuff.

00:56:53   Object capture, sure.

00:56:55   Swift update.

00:56:56   Concurrency.

00:56:57   Concurrency is going to be big, I hear.

00:56:59   I'm really excited about that.

00:57:00   I didn't really understand any of the Swift part.

00:57:04   It was weird because it didn't feel like it was detailed enough for developers and was

00:57:11   too confusing for non-developers.

00:57:16   So I don't really...

00:57:17   But I guess they felt like they wanted to put something in there.

00:57:19   Yeah, well, I mean, it's the developer conference, right?

00:57:21   I actually think the most interesting kind of developer development...

00:57:27   I can't believe I said that.

00:57:30   I think the most interesting one, I don't know, Swift Playgrounds being able to submit

00:57:35   apps to the app store, that's one that's like, "What?"

00:57:45   And then Xcode Cloud, which I know is sort of...

00:57:47   They had an app store category, but that's the part that got me, which is they rolled

00:57:53   TestFlight for the Mac into there, but the idea that they're going to offer the ability

00:57:57   to build in the cloud, so you work on your device, but then you send a build and it builds

00:58:05   in the cloud and it tests it on a whole bunch of virtual Apple devices.

00:58:10   I thought that was really interesting.

00:58:11   I also thought it was very interesting that they said it'll be available to everyone next

00:58:15   year and we'll have details on pricing and availability at a later time.

00:58:19   And I'm like, "Oh, look, that's a service.

00:58:22   They're going to charge developers for Xcode Cloud.

00:58:26   That's really interesting, given all the conversations about Apple taking money from developers via

00:58:32   their cut as a way that Apple has compensated for its platform.

00:58:38   This is one of those arguments that they made in a lot of these court cases.

00:58:43   This is interesting because this is another way to take money from developers, is to charge

00:58:47   them for a cloud-based build service.

00:58:52   I don't know.

00:58:53   I am not a developer, so I don't know all the ramifications of that, but that's really

00:58:58   interesting to me.

00:58:59   I also, again, I don't really know what benefit that will serve if Macs are powerful for building.

00:59:08   I guess the testing is probably a good thing, right, and having that automated in a way.

00:59:13   But again, there are people smarter on this stuff than us that will be able to talk about

00:59:18   this with more experience.

00:59:22   We don't really know what we're talking about here.

00:59:24   Test flight for Mac, though, so I'm pleased that's happening.

00:59:26   Yeah, I feel for my Mac developer friends who have been so frustrated by the fact that

00:59:34   it's hard to do betas on the Mac and it's easy to do betas on iPad.

00:59:38   That's right.

00:59:39   And that was one of those things where I just thought it was not going to happen, and it's

00:59:42   a weird place that they put it, but they kind of tossed it off in there.

00:59:45   It's like, "Oh, and Mac," which I was hopeful because if I had to boil down the message

00:59:51   of this keynote to one thing, it's that Apple's—I mentioned this earlier, but Apple's platforms

00:59:56   are in lockstep now.

00:59:58   So it's weird, right, that TestFlight wouldn't be available on the Mac because so much is

01:00:05   it's on iPhone, iPad, and Mac.

01:00:09   Over and over again, they said that.

01:00:11   And then what about TestFlight?

01:00:13   This is a developer conference.

01:00:14   Well, here it is.

01:00:15   So that was a big thing and will make not just our developer friends happy, but it'll

01:00:21   make all of us who use betas on the Mac.

01:00:24   I won't be getting—James Thompson won't be texting me beta builds, right, which he

01:00:30   does now.

01:00:31   Here, try this one.

01:00:32   Like presumably not.

01:00:33   Maybe he will.

01:00:34   Maybe he'll keep doing that for old time's sake, but he shouldn't have to.

01:00:38   While we're talking developer stuff in the App Store, something else I wanted to mention

01:00:41   that I noticed.

01:00:42   First off, they talk about weekly visitors to the App Store, which I found very weird

01:00:46   as a metric because that's like a web metric.

01:00:49   And I feel like this is in line with some of the arguments they've made in some of those,

01:00:53   like in the court case, which is this idea of like the value in the App Store is the

01:00:57   fact that it exposes so many people to the App Store marketing.

01:01:04   And so it felt like they were reinforcing that.

01:01:07   Like look how many people come to the App Store, which is a little bit weird, right?

01:01:11   Because like I don't think of it in those terms.

01:01:12   I think of it in terms of like the App Store is an app that lives on your phone, and if

01:01:16   you want an app, you go there and get it.

01:01:18   Whereas they're viewing it as like visitors that are paying it a visit.

01:01:24   I don't know about that.

01:01:25   And they also mentioned $230 billion paid to developers, which is just like checking the

01:01:28   boxes.

01:01:29   But like this is the argument they've been making all along in court and they're reinforcing

01:01:32   it here.

01:01:33   Oh, I'll throw in in-app events as a category is fascinating to me, right?

01:01:37   The idea that it's another way to market the content inside your app is by saying we're

01:01:41   doing a special event inside our app.

01:01:45   And I wonder how that will be used and abused both.

01:01:49   I can't help but look at a feature like that and try to think who asked for it.

01:01:55   Someone asked Apple for this, so they've had a few people ask Apple for this.

01:01:59   I mean, game developers sounds to me, right?

01:02:01   Where you've got a tournament or a special thing.

01:02:05   I mean, it's basically marketing though, right?

01:02:07   Marketing and promotion.

01:02:08   It's a thing that's happening inside.

01:02:09   It's a reason to get people to open your app at a certain point is that this thing is happening

01:02:14   now.

01:02:15   Like it's so it's a marketing thing.

01:02:17   But I can't wait for I'll just pick on James again.

01:02:20   Can't wait for James Thompson to start like a shiny dice week in Dice Bike Pcalc.

01:02:29   It'll be in the in-app events list.

01:02:32   Get ready for shiny dice week.

01:02:34   They're all shiny for one week only.

01:02:36   I mean, I guess as well it probably also helps with Apple promoting things.

01:02:44   I guess they're always looking for stuff to write stories about.

01:02:49   Actually all these things roll together to say the App Store is marketing.

01:02:52   The App Store is a marketing platform.

01:02:53   I actually think you could argue that it goes against Apple's claim that the App Store is

01:03:01   is it a fundamental part of the platform or is it a marketing channel?

01:03:04   And the answer is it's a marketing channel, right?

01:03:06   Like that's that's what it is.

01:03:08   And so they do they're going to this is another way to market in app events and and hear how

01:03:14   many weekly visitors come to the App Store and they're going to see this and and they're

01:03:17   going to market it.

01:03:18   They sell ads.

01:03:19   They have events.

01:03:20   They have all their App Store write-ups that they do which are marketing essentially sort

01:03:23   of marketing coming from Apple but about the apps that are in the store.

01:03:29   And then you can throw the A/B testing thing in there, right?

01:03:31   Which is which is something that if you missed it what what they were saying is app developers

01:03:39   are going to be able to show different screens and show different icons and stuff and it's

01:03:43   basically like it's a marketing thing which is if I make my App Store record look like

01:03:48   this or this which one does better and so you can more finely hone your marketing message

01:03:55   and get more users of your apps.

01:03:58   So it's that App Store category was funny because so much of it was really just marketing

01:04:05   marketing tools the App Store is a marketing engine which is I think if you know that's

01:04:09   a message that they've been sending for a while now.

01:04:11   I'll be interested to see what the tools look like for the A/B testing of product pages

01:04:17   and stuff.

01:04:18   Oh Apple's backend tools have traditionally been so terrible.

01:04:20   Yeah I can imagine it would be.

01:04:22   That's why it seems like quite a complicated thing.

01:04:25   I also continue to find it's just the balance and I know it's like they will say that they

01:04:29   do it in their privacy ways and stuff but it's like this type of marketing is bad and

01:04:35   this type of marketing is good because we have deemed it so.

01:04:40   You know it's like this is going to be a data driven system right you will target certain

01:04:45   people and you will get results and it's like this is we say this way is good but then we've

01:04:51   got this other type of advertising that we're saying is bad and we control the whole platform

01:04:56   so you know.

01:04:58   What occurs to me is that it's the difference between sort of like utility of the platform

01:05:03   vendor providing a utility to get you to the apps that are available for the platform and

01:05:07   then turning it into a full fledged you know fully operational death star of marketing

01:05:15   and if we've seen anything about the evolution of the app store over the last app store.

01:05:21   It is.

01:05:23   It's this right it's the weaponization of the app store and turning it into this marketing

01:05:27   monster and it makes a lot of money for a lot of people but it still has a weird right

01:05:32   I mean to me it's an app from the platform vendor and so to have it be well I guess apps

01:05:39   from platform vendors that are marketing tools and are full of ads is not uncommon it's just

01:05:45   uncommon from Apple and I guess that's what makes it kind of uncanny to me is that it's

01:05:50   Apple just throwing all in like this is just all about marketing and promotion and sales

01:05:57   and it's all going to happen inside the app store so that's where we are.

01:06:00   Talk about iOS 15.

01:06:02   Yeah iOS 15 there's a lot I I'm surprised at how excited I am about iOS 15 versus iPad

01:06:13   OS that we should say iOS 15 went first in the in the keynote and if the theme is it

01:06:20   works everywhere there are a lot of features that are announced for iOS 15 that you could

01:06:24   say are iPhone features because iPhone is the most popular about Apple's platforms but

01:06:28   they went everywhere right like that's that's sort of the point of a lot of this stuff is

01:06:32   it went you know it goes to the iPhone but also goes to the iPad and the Mac it goes

01:06:37   to all those places.

01:06:39   I mean and I think Stephen said this I think he texted it to me at one point that this

01:06:47   year there have been a lot of features that are everywhere at the same time you know like

01:06:54   there are a bunch of these features that we're going to talk about and they're on iOS they're

01:06:57   on iPad OS and they're on the Mac in a way that was is quite interesting that they're

01:07:01   bringing all of this stuff across like they're introducing it and it's everywhere all at

01:07:06   the same time but on that note about it's intriguing we're going to get into iPad OS

01:07:10   I don't I think you might be a bit more down on it than me I'm excited about all these

01:07:14   iOS features I think most of them seem great and then iPad OS puts more on top but they

01:07:20   broke down iOS 15 into a few different categories staying connected focus intelligence and exploring

01:07:28   the world and staying connected included FaceTime and messages enhancements and I would say

01:07:36   way more than I thought and especially FaceTime it was really interesting to me that they

01:07:41   did the best case scenario of what we were talking about last week right they did black

01:07:47   background blurring but with portrait mode they did joining events with links so you

01:07:55   can make it a FaceTime event for a group and share a link and people can join on the web

01:07:59   from any device right you can't start from the web but you can join on the web from any

01:08:04   device so which is super interesting you're right it's like there's the little narrow

01:08:08   part that we hoped Apple would do and they did that and a little bit more and in groups

01:08:13   using iOS if you're using iOS you can use spatial audio for group calls which is interesting

01:08:19   so you can see like it will kind of spread people out a bit that's fine I never use group

01:08:24   FaceTime I only yeah I just seem to only ever do one-on-one but it's like multiple people

01:08:31   multiple people this is why Apple's doing this right is that like I mentioned this I

01:08:36   think last week when we were doing the draft but my family all of whom are on iOS devices

01:08:42   does a zoom every other week it's like why is that a zoom why and it's because everybody

01:08:49   is trained to do zooms and nobody is thinking of FaceTime for that and that's why so Apple

01:08:57   knows that and knows that it needs to I mean I should have done this years ago but it needs

01:09:01   to do this now and so they added those features in a grid view to that that is kind of a capitulation

01:09:10   it's them saying that they're fun floating bubble view maybe isn't that great and that

01:09:15   people have gone through the pandemic with a grid view and it's fine like I think maybe

01:09:21   that's right like they're just like okay all right we get it and and and it's good they're

01:09:27   they're taking it seriously like I think they feel left out that they they kind of missed

01:09:30   an opportunity with FaceTime and they're not gonna let it go even further away from them

01:09:35   also the voice processing stuff I thought that was a little bit weird but also hilarious

01:09:39   like the giant blower in the background and and you can still pick up the audio like this

01:09:44   is one of the amazing things that signal processing technology and machine learning and stuff

01:09:48   can do now is is just shocking amounts of rescuing a voice signal out of background

01:09:56   noise and to do it in real time you know probably there's not a giant blower behind you when

01:10:02   you're doing this but whatever that background noise is to have it kind of drop away and

01:10:06   focus on your voice that's uh that's pretty cool I like that a lot and then the idea that

01:10:11   they put it as sort of like you can choose voice isolation or wide spectrum so like you

01:10:15   can either you can choose whether you want it to just clamp everything down and only

01:10:20   send your voice or whether the birds tweeting in the background or you know a part of the

01:10:25   whole thing and you want it the whole experience out there that's good that's good share play

01:10:30   so you'll be able to listen to music with other people watch movies and tv together and share

01:10:36   your screens you can finally do screen sharing over facetime that's one that should oh yeah

01:10:40   screen sharing is is a big one right because that's going to be great for support yeah

01:10:46   it's like can you share your screen so I can see what you're doing but the rest of this

01:10:50   is it's clearly apple also realizing trends right the watch together kind of trend has

01:10:57   been built into a bunch of different services you know hulu and disney plus both built it

01:11:02   in there are browser plugins that do this and so this is apple basically making this

01:11:09   not just built into their apps but also an api and and working with partners so that like

01:11:16   disney plus and hulu and hbo max and espn and the nba and twitch and tik tok and masterclass

01:11:23   and also paramount plus who is on the slide but not spoken aloud that made me laugh um

01:11:30   right so like any app can do this and the idea here is that your friends that are watching

01:11:34   have to watch it they have to have a subscription in the app and you have to have subscription

01:11:38   in the app it's not being streamed between you it's on device from that app so you're

01:11:44   both if you're watching a disney plus show you're both streaming it from disney plus

01:11:48   on your device while you're talking to each other so everybody's got to have access to

01:11:54   the content it's pressing play at the same time basically yeah except that anybody who's

01:11:58   doing this can pause it and can scrub like everybody who's involved who's got that app

01:12:05   and is watching has control and the control goes to all devices so that's pretty cool

01:12:10   right so that's somebody pauses it and says no let me let me go to this part this is the

01:12:15   good part and then press play and it happens everywhere so that's pretty cool that like

01:12:19   that's above and beyond the just simple sync stuff and that's why you'd use something like

01:12:23   this so this is not you know this is a very specific kind of feature and it's not a way

01:12:29   to share your you know share stuff that you like with other people although you can do

01:12:33   like a screen share and then go into photos and show a video or something but that's not

01:12:38   that's kind of not the point of it and you assume that screen sharing you wouldn't be

01:12:43   able to watch video and stuff like that like it would copyright protect it now so right

01:12:48   well the screen sharing will only work with non protected video right so it'll work with

01:12:52   your videos that you shot in in the photos app but it's not going to work with you screen

01:12:57   sharing Disney plus right that's going to black it out just like it does for for screenshots

01:13:02   all of this stuff is really great but would have been great last year no I'm not trying

01:13:09   to be unreasonable right they couldn't have done this in time right because there's there's

01:13:13   roadmaps this stuff takes time and I'm sure some of these features will be great in times

01:13:20   when you might want them or if you are you got that kind of use case you know like come

01:13:25   to a lot of like long distance relationships will benefit from this friendships you know

01:13:30   lots of young people are better like I get all of that these features are very reactive

01:13:37   to what the last year has been like and they will be great for FaceTime to have but I think

01:13:45   won't be able to have the I believe societal impact like for example if these features

01:13:53   would have existed prior to now if you're remembering this will not come until September

01:14:00   the earliest of this year that they may get more ingrained in people moving forward post

01:14:09   pandemic and I know that the pandemic is in different stages different parts of the world

01:14:15   of course but it does feel like great features have missed their moment a little bit maybe

01:14:23   yeah I think I think what Apple's really doing here is is saying you people experienced there's

01:14:29   a bunch of stuff that people experience during the pandemic that they did because of the

01:14:34   pandemic that even after they're more able to go out and about and see other people and

01:14:39   all that that they're still going to want to do yes of course with their far-flung friends

01:14:44   and all of that so I think that's new norms and new relationships built around a different

01:14:49   way of living but and these will be great for some of those things however you know

01:14:54   would have been way better but hindsight right you know what you're gonna do messages has

01:15:01   mostly seems to be focused around the way that things are shared so they have this whole

01:15:07   new thing called shared with you which basically surfaces stuff that people have shared with

01:15:16   you inside of other applications like for example if someone shares an Apple news link

01:15:23   with you over iMessage it shows up in the Apple news app photos that people like if

01:15:29   I sent Jason a bunch of pictures from an event that we were at together he would see them

01:15:33   in his photo library podcast music that kind of stuff but not memes or screenshots not

01:15:39   screenshots I will say that I'm pleased that they actually just got out ahead of it and

01:15:43   explained that and that was important right because it's like so one of the features of

01:15:50   whatsapp is the ability to automatically save images to your library that people send you

01:16:00   and it is quite normal for people to abuse that with each other with friends and stuff

01:16:06   like I know friends that have gotten into some situations they wish they wouldn't have

01:16:09   gotten into because their other friends could just randomly put images into their photo

01:16:14   library right basically every time they open the group chat all the images download so

01:16:20   I think that it's a good feature to have to just build in it up front that we're going

01:16:24   to try and do some stuff to work out if you actually might want this and they're all marked

01:16:29   with a little speech bubble icon that indicates they came from messages so they're not like

01:16:35   indistinguishable from other items that appeared in your photo library but I think yeah this

01:16:43   is fascinating and one of the questions I have is there wasn't a lot of third-party

01:16:47   developers story in this part this is one of those things that was like we love developers

01:16:51   and there's an API also there's this thing and I'm unclear whether anybody else gets

01:16:55   to register for this perhaps if not now then in the long run yes but it seems like what

01:17:00   they're basically doing is they're looking at all the media and links and everything

01:17:04   that come into messages and basically offering it up to other apps and saying here are some

01:17:10   photos that came in to messages here are some you know links music Apple music links that

01:17:16   came into messages here are some web links and I'm also unclear is it just news links

01:17:20   or is it any article that is also in Apple news and does Apple news do like a little

01:17:24   comparison to see if it's in its database and then it shows it because then you have

01:17:29   the scenario where somebody sends you a web link but maybe it gets surfaced in Apple news

01:17:32   I would think that's how it would work and they said Safari and podcasts and the Apple

01:17:38   TV app all are going to have this too that's all good but this is a this is a cool idea

01:17:45   of taking links that are the currency of conversations and putting them in apps where it's relevant

01:17:56   but right now it seems like it's just Apple's apps which you know yeah okay but I would

01:18:02   like other apps to be able to do this right like I would I would like if I have Spotify

01:18:08   and somebody sends me a music link I'd like to be able to see that in Spotify too or if

01:18:13   I have a different podcast app to have that podcast app say somebody sent me a link to

01:18:19   a podcast and I could see how this is step one and maybe there's a step two but that

01:18:23   was my first thought is this is a cool idea and also limited to a handful of apps that

01:18:28   are made by the platform vendor. Well so I mean Safari has this feature already and has

01:18:34   done for a period of time I don't know how long that when you open a new Safari window

01:18:40   or tab I should say it will surface some recommendations of links and include stuff that was sent to

01:18:47   you via iMessage. I have never once seen one of those and clicked it because when someone

01:18:53   sends me something I will look at it. I don't know how often I'm like thanks for sending

01:19:01   me that hopefully I'll come across it later on. Goodbye. I don't really think that this

01:19:08   is a thing that I need. I don't know maybe I'll be proven incorrectly but typically if

01:19:17   somebody sends me something and I'm interested in it I will action upon it. So what happens

01:19:24   to me a lot is it's not the hey they sent me this link in the moment I will not have

01:19:29   perform an action upon it it's more like oh what was the thing Myke sent me five days

01:19:36   ago and so I could see a scenario where you're like oh somebody mentioned this and instead

01:19:43   of having to go to messages and look up who it was and all of that in music it says Myke

01:19:49   mentioned this album and you're like oh yeah that was it that was the one I was thinking

01:19:52   of so I think it's more like that right where it's the the lack of remembering or immediate

01:20:00   action on something and it kind of scrolls into the past and they're trying to bring

01:20:04   it back out in in the right context so it's like when you're in the music context it's

01:20:08   going to remind you of all the music that people have mentioned to you lately. I think

01:20:11   that's the idea there but but I had that same thought about in introducing the new Safari

01:20:17   tabs features and thinking or you could click the link and put it in your tab and then it's

01:20:23   in the tab and then you can read it later. I like that you could do that too if you wanted

01:20:26   to. Yeah yeah it's just like and or I've worked out a system of which I always say stuff but

01:20:33   who knows maybe I'll be surprised. Focus is another system that I am actually really intrigued

01:20:40   at and it has a few different things and it includes notifications and focus modes so

01:20:46   starting with notifications they have a new look they seem to differ in sizes a little

01:20:51   bit and they seem to be putting more prominence on direct communication rather than just like

01:20:55   applications wanting to get your in like want to get your attention and this is similarly

01:21:02   forwarded further with the notification summary which is an option that you can choose to

01:21:06   turn on where it uses on device intelligence which I do not feel confident in to try and

01:21:14   surface and collect up notifications from applications not people if that makes sense.

01:21:21   I guess there's a way that you can say to the system what kind of notification you are

01:21:27   I don't know and so they will try and collect them up and surface to you I mean kind of

01:21:33   like a digest. Yeah it's trying to it's like a yet another filter on top of all the other

01:21:39   filters for all of your notifications but I kind of like that idea that like there's

01:21:44   so many garbage notifications and it's going to do on device intelligence which I think

01:21:48   might have once been called like a Siri suggestion yeah but I think that's gone and it's just

01:21:54   on device intelligence is the buzzword now but that's the idea is sort of like you put

01:21:59   them in a barrel and then your little helpful helpful robot friend will say oh you might

01:22:04   find these interesting just to get them out of your way I'm all for that actually because

01:22:08   there's way too many notifications and so I don't know whether the summary would be

01:22:12   useful or not but I do like the idea of kind of throwing all those notifications that are

01:22:17   kind of not from people and are just app things in a in a box where I don't have to see it

01:22:22   or I only see a summary of it or I have to go looking for it I'm kind of okay with that.

01:22:27   I will wait and see on this one I like the idea of it in theory I don't have a lot of

01:22:35   hope in it in practice personally we'll see how that goes I mean also as well I tend to

01:22:43   like to see my notifications I don't necessarily want them to be kind of collapse and hidden

01:22:50   away from me. You may be more together with your notification preferences than some of

01:22:54   us. Possibly. You may be a better person when it comes to notifications than some of us

01:23:01   who you know 99 more notifications is a thing that I see. Yeah I'm probably a pretty good

01:23:09   notifications manager. Yeah this is and it's also a thing that you don't have to see right

01:23:13   the summary is sort of like a declaring bankruptcy for notifications and being like tell me if

01:23:20   anything's important I just don't want to I'm not gonna do it. I think it's interesting

01:23:24   and that it's not for people right this is not somebody sending you a text this is you

01:23:29   know a newspaper sending you a headline about a feature story that they posted a couple

01:23:34   of days ago that they want you to read that kind of stuff goes in the barrel.

01:23:39   Do not disturb will now show in messages for people you're contacting so if I was sending

01:23:44   a message to Jason it would say Jason has do not disturb on. Yeah so do not disturb

01:23:49   and do not disturb while driving has been basically rolled into focus and they introduced

01:23:55   it in the keynote in an interesting way where they if it mentions focus before they rolled

01:24:00   out what focus is so they talk about do not disturb because that's a concept we're already

01:24:04   familiar with but the truth is focus is basically do not disturb custom do not disturb settings

01:24:13   and do not disturb is kind of part of focus or uses the same pathways as focus do not

01:24:19   disturb while driving I mean there's a difference in that it does the auto reply you know you

01:24:23   can set it up to auto reply but like with the new features you have this ability to

01:24:28   choose to share your do not disturb or your focus status with all of your people who are

01:24:34   in your contacts so they can see your status and know that their message isn't going to

01:24:38   go through so like how slack will say you can send a message to this person but they

01:24:43   don't have you know their notifications are turned off and do you really want to alert

01:24:47   them and then you have the ability to kind of break through and say yes

01:24:50   yeah the benefit for this feature isn't in me knowing Jason has to not disturb on that

01:24:56   does nothing for me really the benefit is in knowing so I can break through if I need

01:25:03   him right right because if you have do not disturb on I'll just send you the message

01:25:08   I don't like what difference does it make right like you'll get it when you get to it

01:25:13   the benefit is in me knowing so I could say no you please notify him because it's important

01:25:18   does that make sense like there is kind of if I send you a message I send you a message

01:25:22   right like you know you're not gonna get told about it honestly I also think that there's

01:25:27   a little bit of relief that you can feel when you know that the person on the other end

01:25:34   isn't going to be bothered right like I've had this happen in slack for sure where I'm

01:25:40   sending a message back to somebody who is in perhaps your time zone and your you should

01:25:46   be asleep right it's three in the morning it's four in the morning or even if it's 11

01:25:50   at night it's something where I don't want to wake them up I don't want to bug them but

01:25:54   I could just send the message now when I know that they'll get it whenever they choose to

01:25:58   see it next and so having that note say Myke won't see this now is actually reassuring

01:26:05   right because it means I can send you a note and I it's not going to bug you and you'll

01:26:09   see it when you need to and then yes I can I can break through if I need to but it also

01:26:13   gives me the reassurance that I'm not like waking you up in the middle of the night yeah

01:26:17   okay maybe this is just a thing for me I personally feel like it is on the other person to set

01:26:24   their do not disturb correctly this is just like a difference like the way different people

01:26:27   think I agree but I have that I have those moments where I'm like you know I'm not gonna

01:26:32   you know I'm not gonna bug them at a time it's just a reassurance right like I can feel

01:26:37   free to send them messages in the middle of the night because they're not gonna get them

01:26:41   and till the morning and that's fine it's just a just a little reassurance it's a little

01:26:45   like you probably haven't felt this way too but it's all like do I want to text this person

01:26:50   while they're driving because will that distract them and then they'll crash their car and

01:26:53   I'll be guilty of distracting them and having them crash their car and when you do not disturb

01:26:58   without driving it's like oh what a relief they're not gonna get that message yeah I

01:27:02   never think I wonder if somebody's driving like I know how would I know that how would

01:27:06   I know that you say goodbye and they're driving and then you need to send them a message oh

01:27:10   yeah no this doesn't have driving life because nobody drives nobody okay all right well I

01:27:16   think this is a great feature focus is more broadly the idea that we were trying to come

01:27:22   up with sort of how this would work but this is this is pretty close right it's it's presets

01:27:26   and you can choose presets they come up with some some presets that are there but you can

01:27:30   build your own focus statuses too and you can it'll suggest things but you can say when

01:27:36   I'm in this mode only these people get through only these apps and it'll let you turn on

01:27:42   and off different pages of your home screen so good based on those statuses this is it

01:27:48   works with shortcuts yeah so you can automate all of this stuff too yep and I guess technically

01:27:54   do not disturb is basically part of focus now right right I guess is the way that sounds

01:28:00   like yeah I'm super into this part of it which is more about setting up these profiles and

01:28:07   being able to use them in certain instances and then you can also go you know you can

01:28:11   go one step deeper you can set certain people to break through even through these you know

01:28:17   like I'm really into it I like that you can automate it through shortcuts you know like

01:28:23   I can run a shortcut that's like my show recording shortcut and it sets all my timers and it

01:28:28   sets my focus mode and then we'll find out like it opens all the windows that I need

01:28:32   yeah I I really like that's your timer sets your timer timer right like I really like

01:28:37   this theoretically do all that finally the day phone in the night phone are you getting

01:28:42   it yet it's the same phone it's always the same fun I like it's interesting to me that

01:28:48   it sinks across devices I haven't yet worked out if that's what I want but probably you

01:28:55   probably can there might be a way to like not do that if you want to but yeah I would

01:28:59   want to try it set up like this I mean I'm trying to think like would I want it to do

01:29:03   that probably I don't know I think the idea there though is that your status doesn't change

01:29:08   you know based on what device you're in like if you're in if you're in business mode all

01:29:13   your devices should be in business mode and I think you can determine what each device

01:29:18   well we'll have to see I assume you can determine on your Mac what business mode means and on

01:29:22   your iPad what business mode means but that's the idea is when you're in business mode all

01:29:27   your devices know you're in business mode and then when you go into fun mode all your

01:29:32   devices know you're in fun mode now right instead so you don't have the situation where

01:29:36   like you're strictly in business on your iPhone and your iPads like getting text messages

01:29:41   from people who are fun people I'll tell you one place where where I might want to think

01:29:46   about it or hope maybe I could turn it off on some devices I'm not sure like my iPad

01:29:52   I have always in do not disturb because I just don't need it lighting up or whatever

01:29:58   like my phone will do it like I just I've just had it this way for years but maybe I've

01:30:02   just gotten used to that and I'll try this new system and see what I think but I've had

01:30:07   my iPad and do not disturb for a while because it's like if I have it like not in a keyboard

01:30:12   case or I have it open or whatever and it's like in the corner of the room it'll just

01:30:16   the screen will keep lighting up all the time yeah you know and so I don't know yeah I want

01:30:21   to see exactly how this works I'm intrigued to see what kind of flexibility do I have

01:30:27   with that maybe maybe it's just some devices and leave and do not disturb all the time

01:30:31   or not or maybe this system will be better and I wonder about the granularity of the

01:30:35   automation like you mentioned sitting in a keyboard case it's like if I put my iPad in

01:30:42   the magic keyboard it means that I'm writing I would love to be able to say basically when

01:30:47   I put my iPad in the keyboard here's the mode you need to go in right and it's don't distract

01:30:51   me while I'm writing I would love to be able to do that I'm not sure it can do it like

01:30:55   when connected to a magic keyboard or something but that would be pretty cool I know that

01:30:59   like it's connecting certain Bluetooth devices can be an automation for shortcuts but I don't

01:31:03   know if the magic keyboard counts I don't know I mean it's not a Bluetooth device but

01:31:07   it would sure be nice if it could sense that and run an automation when that device was

01:31:12   attached for example but this is a huge amount of potential here to be really excited about

01:31:17   this really yeah I worry I'm worried that this is the feature that's going to disappoint

01:31:22   me though you know I feel like at this point during WWDC it is always like whoa this is

01:31:27   amazing like there's so much potential here and then I start to dig into it and it's like

01:31:32   oh this so far this feels the thing that would disappoint is most likely to disappoint me

01:31:38   I feel like and this is purely based on everything Apple's ever done around this area has fallen

01:31:45   short for me in some way everything surrounding notifications and preferences there so we'll

01:31:50   see we mentioned intelligence so intelligence is I think kind of like a new catch-all for

01:31:57   Siri and machine learning and all that kind of stuff and I think I kind of like that's

01:32:02   a name I'll run through a couple of these real quick I don't think we need to spend

01:32:05   too much time talking about any of them live text assist like text selection in images

01:32:10   and stuff like that seems pretty cool I want to see how it works and it's it's in in the

01:32:16   camera and it's in the photos app basically it and it's across all Apple devices so it's

01:32:22   not just iOS like on the Mac what you'll be able to do on any of these devices actually

01:32:27   is like take a screenshot or like if somebody posts one of those tweets where it's a note

01:32:32   apologizing for the terrible thing they did you could literally copy that text out useful

01:32:36   I bet that's the one it works best in too because it's Apple's notes yeah sure spotlight

01:32:42   has been enhanced in a bunch of ways like the photo search can now be done from spotlight

01:32:47   and they've made improvements to like contact cards and contact info and photos memories

01:32:53   have been kind of given a new life you can choose music from Apple music instead of just

01:33:00   the basic tracks that Apple uses this is Apple's like third or fourth time I forget who's counting

01:33:07   of trying to do a like machine learning generated photo collage thing and I previously was more

01:33:13   like an almost like an auto iMovie and this is different like you could customize it but

01:33:18   it was like a movie was the output and here it's almost like on-demand Instagram story

01:33:27   of your past kind of like that's the part that I think is fascinating and I'm looking

01:33:32   forward to trying out is like it's interactive the idea that they try to pick music but you

01:33:36   can also choose a mood but then like if you want to swipe back or swipe forward or pause

01:33:41   you can do that and the music keeps playing and then it just syncs back up so it's it's

01:33:46   not a video that it's making for you to share although I'm sure you can share it it's like

01:33:53   just a machine learning driven like performance for you of your photos it's a really interesting

01:34:01   idea they didn't do what I wanted them to do here though which was I wanted to see Apple

01:34:07   do something to kind of address more customization of memories and we spoke about this a number

01:34:13   of weeks ago on connected episode 340 I think where we were talking about a Lauren a wonderful

01:34:20   Lauren good article about kind of some of the pain that can be associated with photo

01:34:25   memories and I was hoping Apple was gonna have more to say on that kind of stuff and

01:34:31   I don't know if they've done anything of iOS but there was none of that and I felt like

01:34:36   that was a big mess like because Google has made in the next version of Android and in

01:34:42   Google Photos they're starting to do some of this kind of stuff where they're trying

01:34:46   you can kind of give it some like hey don't show me this person or show me this time like

01:34:51   I want to see Apple do more here I think they're dropping the ball on this one there needs

01:34:55   to be in my opinion and in many other people's opinions ways to be able to basically force

01:35:02   the mess that the photos app to be a bit more mindful with some types of memories and all

01:35:07   it was like hey look at our music and remixes like when it started I was like oh here we

01:35:11   go I've been waiting for this yeah and it was then again that's entirely possibly a

01:35:16   feature that's like there but they're yeah gonna talk about it which is I hope so sad

01:35:20   feature yeah but still I mean yeah it's important and I think people would dig it but we'll

01:35:27   see we'll see if they do anything like that yeah I'll mention too we kind of glossed over

01:35:32   it a second ago but like one of the live text and all of that and look up there's all of

01:35:38   this stuff that Apple's actually been doing for a long time in photos which is using machine

01:35:44   learning to look at images and classify them so they're they're now they're oc arring them

01:35:49   for text they're looking at them for contents and it used to be like in photos you could

01:35:57   search for horses and you get all the photos with horses or beaches and you look at all

01:36:01   the photos for beaches and now what they seem to have done in photos at least is and spotlight

01:36:09   I think too is they're applying that and they're also sort of letting you kind of see it a

01:36:14   little more it used to just kind of be in a search index for you to find and now they're

01:36:20   like calling it out like yeah there's a horse in this and or yeah there's a restaurant in

01:36:25   this and here's the name of it and you can go search it and just it's one step forward

01:36:29   where before I think it says something about there may be their confidence in this technology

01:36:33   that initially it was sort of like yeah you know it's not great but we're gonna just throw

01:36:38   it in the search index and when you search for horses there'll be some dogs in there

01:36:42   but there'll be horses and you'll find what you're looking for and now I feel like they're

01:36:46   they're more confident so it's a level up which is it's not just that's a cat but that's

01:36:52   a short-haired cat or that's not just a dog it's a beagle and it'll tell you it's a beagle

01:36:58   and not just wait for you to search for beagle right and so that's it's interesting that

01:37:03   they're it's just a over the last few years they have become more confident in the output

01:37:07   of their of their machine learning algorithms.

01:37:10   And then exploring the world.

01:37:12   Who doesn't love to explore the world Myke?

01:37:14   Yeah I know.

01:37:15   The weather app has a new design.

01:37:17   Dark sky.

01:37:18   Yeah and they're using that data I guess there was no kind of weather kit or anything like

01:37:24   that.

01:37:25   But they did so so they did have like those maps that are very much like hey we've got

01:37:31   these full screen full screen high res weather maps I'm like oh it's dark sky look at that

01:37:37   and air quality maps there's another example of current ish events affecting Apple's product

01:37:42   direction is that this is air quality has become a huge issue in the Bay Area the last

01:37:47   few years because of the the wildfires in the fall and it's a it's a huge thing and

01:37:53   so that it's interesting that they built in air quality maps and will show stuff.

01:37:57   Did you notice the other thing that I noticed about the redesigned weather app is that a

01:38:01   lot of the elements on it are look like they're literally just small widgets.

01:38:06   So I imagine they're all going to be available as widgets.

01:38:09   They're all like you scrolled and it was just a whole bunch of little boxes with information

01:38:13   in them and they look like widgets and I got to think they maybe are widgets and that you

01:38:18   will also be able to add those just out onto the home screen because it was a very if they're

01:38:23   not widgets they are widget inspired because they look just like widgets.

01:38:26   Or at least there's like a weather widget that updates with that kind of look and feel.

01:38:32   Right something like that but they look very much very much related.

01:38:36   And maps look the kind of an interesting design change for maps.

01:38:42   Yeah I mean the detail like it's typically like the 3D city detail in these seven cities

01:38:49   that's right like your bare experience will be.

01:38:54   I like the improved transit stuff that they're trying to throw in there.

01:38:59   The road details are very smart.

01:39:02   I assume that this is metadata that they've been collecting on all of their mapping passes

01:39:09   with their mapping vans right which is they're also taking pictures of all of the things

01:39:14   that are on the roadway like crosswalks and stuff like that and bike lanes and they seem

01:39:18   to be building that stuff in which is good because if you've ever been on a road that

01:39:23   was a featureless gray thing featureless gray stripe in Apple maps and but it's actually

01:39:28   a much more complex kind of thing in real life.

01:39:32   This is better to do it this way.

01:39:36   Oh and they got the AR scanning thing of buildings right?

01:39:40   I thought they already did that.

01:39:42   I thought they had it last year where you could maybe it was not for directions but

01:39:47   it was just for location.

01:39:48   If you were in a city center and the big buildings block GPS that you could basically like wave

01:39:52   your phone around and it would figure out where you were based on the buildings it saw.

01:39:55   That's in the Discord it's part so I don't know what they're showing them.

01:39:59   I think what this was is like showing you directions of where to go so you emerge from

01:40:04   the transit stop and you use this feature and then it will like draw an arrow and say

01:40:09   you walk that way but I don't know it's a it's fun.

01:40:14   I mean they're not this was different because it's more like rich data in the maps interface

01:40:20   than it is sort of maps app features if that if I can differentiate between the two seems

01:40:26   like maps is still going to be what maps was but it's going to look different and have

01:40:30   more you know data rolling out I mean it's still rolling out data with its new maps to

01:40:36   was it Spain Portugal Italy and Australia we'll get it later this year like they're

01:40:39   still sort of slowly rolling out those rich maps and now there's sort of richer maps coming

01:40:45   but you know London and the Bay Area will have them so you and I can talk about it when

01:40:48   that happens.

01:40:49   I use Google Maps but I will try out this map on maps.

01:40:52   Is there anything else on on iOS 15?

01:40:56   I wanted to mention wallet just because identity cards if you're if your US state participates

01:41:04   you could put that in there.

01:41:06   California then.

01:41:07   They're going to work for well we'll see work with the TSA so the idea that you could you

01:41:12   can tap to authenticate your identity instead of having to show your driver's license or

01:41:18   something.

01:41:19   I cannot tell you how dubious I am of having this doesn't I mean I'm sure that they're

01:41:24   trying to make this work but I don't know.

01:41:27   What did I say before about the health stuff it's like well this is really great and when

01:41:30   one of these giant organizations finally moves their their technology provider who has a

01:41:36   subcontractor who is providing this service updates their software and hardware and rolls

01:41:41   all the hardware out then in five years this will be great.

01:41:44   It's that kind of thing it feels like to me.

01:41:47   You're saying all right so now I'm gonna I mean the TSA can be tricky I mean maybe it's

01:41:52   harder for me because I'm not American but seems like that it's tricky at the best of

01:41:57   times and then like so I won't take my ID with me and then hope that I don't know something

01:42:04   wild doesn't happen and my phone doesn't run out of battery because then I'm stuck.

01:42:09   I don't know it's like a whole level of anxiety I feel like that would bring me clearly I'm

01:42:15   not the target market for this like I it was a long time into my international travel before

01:42:20   I stopped printing things like to take in a little folder you know so I don't know this

01:42:26   I don't think this features for me great if they can make it work for the people that

01:42:30   would want it but I think I would always want to have my ID card.

01:42:33   I've been using well yeah I think that's the truth like with so many of these things you

01:42:37   end up taking your ID card and a backup credit card in case a place doesn't do contactless

01:42:43   or there's some other technology problem like I mean I again I think this is one of those

01:42:47   things that they try to do this and with the hope that in 10 years it's all completely

01:42:51   like solid but it's not gonna be something that in most places you're gonna be able to

01:42:55   rely on now.

01:42:56   That said if they could I could get this working in the in the line at the airport so that

01:43:01   I could do a couple of taps with my phone or my Apple watch to give them my boarding

01:43:05   pass and give them my ID that would be fun that would be great.

01:43:11   The other part of the wallet thing and we mentioned this earlier but related to that

01:43:14   is is keys so car key for cars and keys for your house and keys for hotel rooms and your

01:43:24   badge for corporate offices that Apple is sort of taking their more narrow kind of like

01:43:30   the stuff that they did for transit and then and the stuff that they did for payment and

01:43:35   now they're adding this sort of key approach that they're trying to do where you can unlock

01:43:42   various locks with your phone or your watch and that's great.

01:43:47   I'm super into the corporate ID thing that's awesome and also hotel room keys that's great

01:43:54   I love that having a hotel room key just on my phone I think that's awesome.

01:43:59   No kidding.

01:44:00   No kidding probably unlikely to demagnetize like the hotel room keys do.

01:44:05   And you can't lose them.

01:44:07   Yeah you ever had that where you had to like go down to the front desk because your key

01:44:10   just stops working yeah and they'll say well you shouldn't put it next to you know powerful

01:44:15   magnets like I didn't though it was in the same pocket as my Kleenex.

01:44:21   It's literally nothing and yet it it failed so it's because your card is bad Mr. Hotel

01:44:27   Man but probably wouldn't work like that for this so that would be good.

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01:46:16   Should we talk about iPadOS 15?

01:46:19   Let's do it.

01:46:20   So let's start with the home screen.

01:46:23   Can I stop you there?

01:46:25   I want to start a little bit sooner.

01:46:28   Okay.

01:46:29   The intro to this section I thought was so good at describing what's great about the

01:46:34   iPad.

01:46:35   I think Apple has really nailed it.

01:46:36   The idea like it's all about flexibility.

01:46:39   They're like, "Oh, what's great about the iPad?

01:46:42   It's a touch tablet.

01:46:44   You put it in this case and you got a keyboard and a trackpad.

01:46:48   Use the pencil.

01:46:49   Right?

01:46:50   It's the flexibility.

01:46:51   It can be anything you want it to be."

01:46:52   And I'm sitting there as we've pondered external display support and the idea that you could

01:46:58   potentially hook this up to a monitor and use it with a keyboard and a trackpad.

01:47:01   And I'm thinking, "Oh, look, this is where they're going.

01:47:04   They're going where we thought."

01:47:05   And they didn't go there.

01:47:08   And they ended this section by saying that it basically is completely rethinking what

01:47:14   you can do with your iPad.

01:47:16   And I had the same reaction, which was, "Or not at all rethink what you can do with your

01:47:23   iPad."

01:47:24   Like I didn't consider this a rethink at all.

01:47:27   No, it wasn't a rethink.

01:47:28   It wasn't a rethink.

01:47:29   Like redefining your existing multitasking, fixing the very confusing and kind of broken

01:47:38   idea of multiple windows in an app.

01:47:40   Like they did that.

01:47:41   They did that and we'll see how it goes, but it looks encouraging.

01:47:45   Looks like that could be a really good direction.

01:47:49   What it was not is extending the flexibility or completely rethinking what you can do with

01:47:54   your iPad, both of which read to me like scripts from a different version of this presentation

01:47:59   that unveiled something new about how you could work on an iPad in a completely different

01:48:07   context.

01:48:08   And it's not what we got.

01:48:09   And so I kind of wanted to just start there with saying that I think they talked a good

01:48:14   game here, but then they didn't bring what they were talking about per se.

01:48:19   That said, there's a lot to like in the iPad announcements.

01:48:22   I think there was a lot of really cool stuff that they did here.

01:48:26   And I would say when we talk about multitasking, it feels to me like they're actually on a

01:48:31   path to something.

01:48:32   And I know it's like Charlie Brown is laying on the ground, the football got pulled away

01:48:38   from him just moments ago.

01:48:40   He went, "Aww," and then fell in the grass.

01:48:44   And then he says to himself, "But you know what?

01:48:46   I think I could get it the next time."

01:48:48   I realize that's sort of what I'm doing here, but I don't know.

01:48:52   When I look at what they did with multitasking, I start to think that they're onto something

01:48:57   and like they're headed in a direction that could do more, but that the first thing they

01:49:01   did in this release is get it functional and give them room to advance it later.

01:49:08   But first things first, which is rethinking the whole multitasking interface so it makes

01:49:14   more sense.

01:49:15   Look, we've been saying for weeks that surely they're going to show us what the M1's for.

01:49:24   And they didn't.

01:49:25   They didn't.

01:49:26   They didn't.

01:49:27   They didn't.

01:49:28   I, you know, I'd started to feel like that that was probably not going to happen.

01:49:33   I was expecting changes.

01:49:34   I was expecting good changes, big changes, and we got them.

01:49:39   But I really started to cool on some of the stuff, especially things like the external

01:49:44   monitor support and stuff like that.

01:49:47   We'll see.

01:49:48   Right.

01:49:49   I still feel like that's inevitable, but it didn't happen this time.

01:49:53   And so that's the, I mean, the way that I'm thinking of it today is I'm actually not any

01:49:59   less a believer in the fact that it's coming.

01:50:04   It's more that I think what they did here is sort of fix what was broken and give them

01:50:12   a place from which they can go to other places.

01:50:15   Right.

01:50:16   Like, like multitasking now.

01:50:18   So what they did, okay, here's what they did.

01:50:21   First off, they put a multitasking menu at the top of essentially a window, which is

01:50:25   your app or two apps if they're in split view.

01:50:28   Right.

01:50:29   There's a little dots up there and you can grab the dots and like move the apps around

01:50:34   and you can tap the dot and you get something that's very similar to the traffic light buttons

01:50:40   on Mac OS.

01:50:41   Right.

01:50:42   It's a, you know, do you want to put this in full screen?

01:50:43   Do you want to put this in split view?

01:50:45   Do you want to put this in slide over?

01:50:47   So it's all visible.

01:50:48   You don't have to know the secret incantations in order to get that.

01:50:52   It's all bound to keystrokes as well, which are very exciting, right?

01:50:57   For people who like to use keyboards that you can do all of this stuff that way.

01:51:00   You can automate it.

01:51:01   There's a whole bunch of really great stuff there.

01:51:03   Also, something that wasn't mentioned in the keynote, but that Steve Trotton Smith, friend

01:51:07   of the show, discovered shortly thereafter or had discovered by one of his users for

01:51:12   one of his apps is that if you do all of these iPad and Mac kind of things where you buy

01:51:18   build the menu bar on the Mac and all that stuff is there.

01:51:23   Apparently in iPad OS 15, that stuff is lit up on the iPad app.

01:51:30   And what you get is not a menu bar, but you get a little command symbol in the top of

01:51:35   the toolbar containing your entire menu structure.

01:51:39   So menus are there.

01:51:41   It's kind of replacing the, when you would hold down the command key to get your keyboard

01:51:46   shortcuts, it's that now.

01:51:49   But they are put together into file, edit, view, that kind of thing.

01:51:54   Right.

01:51:55   And you can define that as a developer.

01:51:57   But so if we look at the pieces, full menu support is there and an element that lets

01:52:04   you determine what kind of multitasking feature you want is there that could be added to.

01:52:10   And that element itself, if you just grab it, moves it around on the screen.

01:52:15   And I'll throw in another thing that we also haven't talked about quite yet, which is Quick

01:52:20   Notes, which is an interesting feature that's on all of Apple's or it's on the iPad Mac,

01:52:26   right?

01:52:27   Is it on, it's not on the iPhone, right?

01:52:29   Because how would it be?

01:52:30   Or maybe it is, I don't know.

01:52:31   Quick Notes.

01:52:32   Quick Notes?

01:52:33   Yeah, it's on the iPhone.

01:52:34   It's on the iPhone too, because it's everything is on everything.

01:52:37   It's viewable on the iPhone.

01:52:38   Okay.

01:52:39   Well, in the Notes app.

01:52:40   Yeah.

01:52:41   Yeah.

01:52:42   Yeah.

01:52:43   But you're not going to bring it quick.

01:52:44   You're going to bring it quick.

01:52:45   Like on the Mac, what's a Quick Note?

01:52:46   A Quick Note is a floating window.

01:52:48   Well, okay.

01:52:50   That's the Mac floating windows is a thing the Mac does.

01:52:53   What is a Quick Note on an iPad?

01:52:55   It's a floating window.

01:52:57   It's literally a floating window on an iPad.

01:53:00   It's a window.

01:53:01   That's basically a notes window that floats above whatever else you're doing on your iPad.

01:53:08   They also added a window that can come up, like open this in a new window and that window

01:53:14   floats above the other apps that are open, even in split view and can be sent to the

01:53:20   new shelf where we have to start a new friendship with shelf.

01:53:27   Or you can set it left or right.

01:53:28   And I look at all of this and I think, one, I'm disappointed that there isn't like proper

01:53:32   external display support and all of that.

01:53:34   But two, literally every piece to do that is there.

01:53:40   Like literally everything is there.

01:53:42   So that makes me believe is that Apple wanted to walk before it ran here.

01:53:47   It has to figure out like a better way to do multitasking, make sure that it works.

01:53:52   But I look at this and I think when iPadOS 15 ships, literally at any point they could

01:53:59   ship a software update and maybe an external display or something and just turn that on

01:54:05   because they're so close to having the ability to just have actual kind of Mac style windowing

01:54:11   on an external display and maybe even on both.

01:54:14   Like they could totally go there.

01:54:16   They haven't gone there yet and they might not ever go there.

01:54:19   I think they will, but they might not.

01:54:20   But like in the meantime, they have done so much of the work of like, here's a floating

01:54:26   window, here's a set of windows and how we manage these windows.

01:54:31   Like they're doing all of those things.

01:54:33   And the details, I'm curious how you feel about it.

01:54:37   It looked, without having used it, it looks like it makes a lot more sense.

01:54:41   Like that people will actually be able to understand multitasking.

01:54:44   I think it looks great.

01:54:45   I'm just happy to no longer need to be dragging app icons around.

01:54:51   I won't do that anymore.

01:54:52   And so this feels like a much more mature system that was rethought rather than we're

01:54:59   just going to keep adding on top of what we already have done.

01:55:04   Right?

01:55:05   Like, oh, we can drag apps around.

01:55:07   Ah, that will be the way that we'll make split views.

01:55:12   At a certain point that just started to become a little bit ludicrous for me.

01:55:16   And I think that this is a much more mature, much more modern and thought out way of managing

01:55:23   the multitasking system.

01:55:24   I wished that they will have pushed it further, but they haven't.

01:55:29   I really like what I've seen.

01:55:31   I'm very enthusiastic to try out some of this stuff, especially because you can do things

01:55:36   like using shortcuts to open split views and you can create split views from inside of

01:55:41   the multitasking switcher now.

01:55:43   They seem to have really spent some time.

01:55:46   I mean, honestly, what it feels like is people that use iPadOS a lot got given the ability

01:55:51   to change the way that multitasking works on iPadOS because this is stuff that I just

01:55:56   think makes a lot of sense for the way the platform has been working.

01:55:59   And they've been working on it for a few years.

01:56:01   That's the other thing it feels like to me.

01:56:03   It feels like that they went back to first principles and said, okay, probably here is

01:56:08   what we want to do in the long run with iPadOS windowing and multitasking.

01:56:14   What do we need to do to get there and how do we start with a system that's going to

01:56:17   be have room to grow, but also is going to make sense.

01:56:23   That is not going to be our current windowing setup and it's not going to be the various

01:56:26   ways you need to drag things out.

01:56:28   And they came up with this and yes, I need to use it, but it looks really encouraging.

01:56:33   I am very encouraged by the fact that it seems to make sense.

01:56:37   And even, like I said, even kind of harken back to the controls on MacOS in terms of

01:56:42   you've got a little thing and you tap it and it says, what would you like to do?

01:56:46   Full screen, split view, slide over like, oh yeah, that makes sense.

01:56:50   So we get to be the first podcast to say that, you know, next year.

01:56:57   I'm not even going to say that because I feel like they're so close now that at any point

01:57:01   they could just announce a, you know, a new external Apple display and say, oh, and by

01:57:05   the way, the iPad works with it and what?

01:57:09   And they could do that too, like they do with the pointer support.

01:57:12   But failing that, yes, this time next year, see it back here and we'll check in on iPad

01:57:16   multitasking and see what they do next.

01:57:19   Widgets are now available on the home screen, free placement anywhere on the home screen

01:57:23   with a larger format, like an Excel size just for the iPad, which is great.

01:57:29   App library is available now, including the kind of hiding of home screens and the app

01:57:36   library lives in the dock, which is perfect.

01:57:38   Right.

01:57:39   When you think about focus, you can't do focus on the iPad if you couldn't do things like

01:57:43   turn on and off pages and stuff like that.

01:57:46   So it really needed to be available here.

01:57:48   But like putting in the dock makes sense.

01:57:50   I actually think putting in the dock makes more sense than putting it at the end of the

01:57:55   app screens.

01:57:56   I mean, they did both, so that's fine.

01:57:57   But like putting in the dock and just having all your apps available in the dock.

01:58:00   Yeah, that's going to be vastly better.

01:58:03   The app library will be then on iPad than it is on the iPhone.

01:58:07   I don't think we mentioned with the way that multitasking works now, when you want to add

01:58:11   a new app to a split view, it basically shows you your home screens again, including the

01:58:17   dock so you can just choose whatever one you want.

01:58:20   So I think again, all of this I think is much more discoverable.

01:58:23   And I think for people that use the iPad, but don't use the multitasking features because

01:58:28   they're complicated or tricky or annoying, I think this will help more people get better

01:58:34   use out of the system that already exists.

01:58:36   I really do hope though that is laying the groundwork for more.

01:58:41   But this does feel like a vastly superior foundation for future iterations.

01:58:46   I'm really excited about trying some of this stuff out.

01:58:50   Swift Playgrounds was part of the iPad part.

01:58:54   I mean, and again, I need to really get my head around this, but it seems like you can

01:59:00   now build apps on the iPad and submit them to the app store.

01:59:04   And I feel like I need to fully understand like, how far can you go?

01:59:09   My understanding is if it's all in Swift, you could probably do it.

01:59:12   But so many apps are not all in Swift, right?

01:59:14   They have some other thing.

01:59:15   However, there is also like, you can take them out of Swift Playgrounds and then put

01:59:19   them in Xcode and then like continue them there and then submit them to the app store.

01:59:23   So there's a lot of stuff going on here.

01:59:27   And I don't know how practical it is that you'd have an entire app written entirely

01:59:30   in Swift and Swift Playgrounds and that that would be what you wanted to submit to the

01:59:34   app store.

01:59:35   But it does answer that question, right?

01:59:37   Which is can you write an app for this platform on this platform?

01:59:42   And with the release of this, the answer will be yes, right?

01:59:46   Like with a billion asterisks after it, a very long footnote, but yes, will still be

01:59:53   the answer.

01:59:54   And that's, uh, that's, that's good.

01:59:57   That's good.

01:59:58   This is an Xcode, right?

01:59:59   But it's, it's, uh, it's a start.

02:00:02   It's a start.

02:00:03   I said these features like the iPad of S 15, not the Swift one, and I'm not gonna do anything

02:00:07   with that, but the iPad of S 15 features combined with the iOS 15 features.

02:00:12   This is very exciting for me.

02:00:13   I'm excited to try this out.

02:00:14   I'm pretty pumped on it.

02:00:16   I one note about the shelf that I wanted to mention too, because looking at the shelf,

02:00:20   which is to explain this, it's kind of like a, on the Mac, you have lots of windows, right?

02:00:26   You have lots of windows open and you don't have that on iPad.

02:00:30   So how do you handle lots of windows being open?

02:00:32   In iPad OS 15, what they do is you put them on the shelf.

02:00:36   So you've got, you can see all your stuff that's open, all your documents that are open.

02:00:40   You can have like five pages documents and they all sit on the shelf and then you can

02:00:44   tap and you can open that one full screen, or you can put it in slide over or you can

02:00:47   put it in split view or whatever, or you can put it on the shelf and we'll see how that

02:00:54   works.

02:00:55   It seems to be a very thoughtful way of, of doing multiple windows in a single, you know,

02:01:00   single window interface basically.

02:01:02   But a thought struck me while I was watching the shelf video, which is it kind of reminds

02:01:08   me of what Apple does with iPhone interface when they're trying to adapt something that's

02:01:13   on the iPad or the Mac to the iPhone where there's like, they have to think about Safari,

02:01:18   for example, right?

02:01:19   Where it's like, well, we can't really do tabs on the iPhone because there's not enough

02:01:24   room.

02:01:25   So we've got a different way of doing like the currently it's like the little cards and

02:01:28   stuff.

02:01:29   It's like the small screen version of the big interface because you can't fit it in

02:01:34   there.

02:01:35   And the shelf feels kind of like that.

02:01:37   The shelf feels kind of like, what if we took windowing like on the Mac, but well, we don't

02:01:43   really have the space.

02:01:44   It's not really quite right.

02:01:47   And then they invented the shelf and I'm saying this in a positive way, but I also think it's

02:01:51   really interesting because it's, it feels like Apple is trying to take the same concept

02:01:57   that's on the Mac, but fit it into a platform that is not, does not have the characteristics

02:02:03   that the Mac has.

02:02:04   You know, the smallest Mac screen is the largest iPad screen.

02:02:08   And so they created the shelf thing, which is sort of like, well, we can't do what the

02:02:12   Mac does, but we can do something that kind of takes those same items and organizes them

02:02:17   in a different way.

02:02:18   Anyway, that was just a thought I had is that this is the compact version of a complex multi-window

02:02:23   interface, which is what if we put them all on the shelf?

02:02:26   Should we finish up by talking about macOS Monterey?

02:02:29   Oh, we should.

02:02:30   We should.

02:02:31   This is a, there's a lot here.

02:02:37   I was very excited by this.

02:02:38   In fact, I felt like, um, I'm more excited by macOS than I am with the other announcements,

02:02:47   which is a surprise to me.

02:02:52   First off, it gets all the previously announced features, right?

02:02:54   Like that.

02:02:55   I thought that was a really nice point pointing out that like now that Apple, Silicon and

02:03:00   a catalyst and like all of those things have happened and Apple's kind of aligned its platforms

02:03:05   to bring it around to sort of what we said at the top of the show.

02:03:08   Like the Mac is no longer like, well, the Mac is getting this feature that you saw on

02:03:12   iPad last year and this other feature, but not all of it.

02:03:15   And no, it's most, for the most part, the message today was, Hey, all those things we

02:03:20   mentioned before, well, they're on the Mac.

02:03:23   Okay.

02:03:24   They just, the Mac just gets them because that's where Apple is now.

02:03:30   So that's great.

02:03:31   But what we're left with is some other features that they, that they held for this Mac section

02:03:37   that I was fascinated by.

02:03:42   The moment that I laughed out loud and could not believe what I was seeing, I laughed loud

02:03:49   too.

02:03:50   I laughed really loud was universal control because I think what I, I, what I shouted

02:03:58   at the screen was who wanted this?

02:04:01   And I don't mean that in a bad way.

02:04:02   I mean that in a, this is such a weird idea.

02:04:06   That's kind of brilliant, but super strange.

02:04:10   And this is the idea that you've got an iPad next to your Mac and you're using your Mac

02:04:14   keyboard and mouse, and then you want to do something on the iPad.

02:04:17   Why should you have to reach for the iPad or reach for the iPad's keyboard and trackpad?

02:04:23   When you could just push the cursor off the side of your Mac screen and it would appear,

02:04:28   it would pop out on the iPad and that you could drag things back and forth between them.

02:04:34   So they're not like when I was at my mom's house a couple of weeks ago, I was using sidecar,

02:04:39   right?

02:04:40   But that's two Mac windows.

02:04:41   My iPad became a Mac window.

02:04:43   This is like that except the iPad stays the iPad and keeps running the iPad apps.

02:04:48   But if I move the cursor over there, it just pops out and is running.

02:04:52   And the keyboard is, is, will type on the iPad.

02:04:55   And it's just continuity taken to this level where you're running multiple devices with

02:04:59   the same input devices.

02:05:02   It's just, it's, it's really interesting.

02:05:04   It's kind of strange.

02:05:07   There are like, there are some nuances if you noticed in the, in the, in the video,

02:05:11   in the keynote that like there's this gray bar that appears on the side of the display

02:05:16   when you're about to pop over into the iPad.

02:05:19   And it allows you to do like adjustment, like the height adjustment and stuff.

02:05:23   So you can kind of get everything kind of level to whatever the actual geography is.

02:05:27   Because it doesn't know, right?

02:05:28   These devices don't actually know where they're physically positioned next to one another.

02:05:32   In fact, how does it know that it's to the right and not to the left?

02:05:36   The answer is it doesn't.

02:05:39   What it does is if you have a, if it knows there's an iPad close to your Mac, and then

02:05:45   you as a human say my, cause, cause you're not a monster, you say the iPad is to the

02:05:52   right of my Mac.

02:05:53   So I'm going to move my cursor off the screen to the right and it'll pop out on the iPad.

02:05:59   If you moved it to the left, it would still pop out onto the iPad because it would assume

02:06:04   that it was to the left.

02:06:05   If you follow me, it doesn't know that it's left or right.

02:06:08   Oh wow.

02:06:09   That's weird.

02:06:10   It's your behavior that determines whether it's left or right.

02:06:12   Which is why like when Craig was showing off, it took a second for the first time and that

02:06:16   bar appeared and then he was just moving it freely.

02:06:19   Right.

02:06:20   And now we've worked out where we go here.

02:06:22   Right.

02:06:23   And then so, and there's no like arrangement kind of thing.

02:06:25   It just, your, your behavior determines how it's arranged.

02:06:29   And then you could set it to be like connected all the time when they're nearby or you can

02:06:34   have it be sort of like drop the, drop the connection after a while.

02:06:37   Sort of like there's, there's some settings there that you can, you can set, but it's,

02:06:42   it's a really interesting idea and that you can do it with multiple devices and you have

02:06:49   to initiate, by the way, you have to initiate on the Mac.

02:06:52   You can't put your iPad in a magic keyboard and sit it next to a Mac and then push the

02:06:57   pointer off the left side and have it pop up on the Mac.

02:07:00   It doesn't do that.

02:07:01   It's sort of initiated by the Mac, but once you're on, once it's connected, you can, yes,

02:07:07   you could like take a, an iPad with a magic keyboard and drive the Mac with it and then

02:07:13   crap it that stupid but brilliant demo of like there's an iPad and then there's a MacBook

02:07:20   and then there's an iMac and I'm going all the way over to the iPad and I'm dragging

02:07:24   it across, dragging it across and then I also like skipping over the MacBook Pro, right?

02:07:29   Which basically means that they've eliminated the need for a KVM switch for two Macs, right?

02:07:35   Yeah.

02:07:36   Cause you can just, you can just move your cursor over to that other Mac and it just

02:07:41   goes.

02:07:42   Yep.

02:07:43   Yeah.

02:07:44   Again, I did not anticipate this feature at all, but it's a hilarious one on this scorecard.

02:07:52   Nobody know I'm pleased that it exists.

02:07:54   This is a fun little feature, but you know, I don't think anyone would have been thinking

02:07:58   about this before.

02:08:00   No.

02:08:01   And then, um, airplay on the Mac, which is not as exciting as you might think.

02:08:09   Cause you might say, Oh, well, wait a second.

02:08:11   Does that mean that I could airplay my iPad to my Mac screen and then I'm using my iPad

02:08:15   on my Mac screen?

02:08:16   I was like, well yes, but it's airplay, right?

02:08:19   So it's, it's going to be from an iPad, it's going to be mirrored and it's airplay to basically.

02:08:26   So it's going to be lower quality video and there's probably going to be lag and it's

02:08:30   not really for that.

02:08:32   It's more like I want to use this Mac as a, to play this movie that I've got on my iPhone

02:08:38   or I want to put this on a conference room Mac.

02:08:41   I want to just project it from my, like you could do keynote and do a keynote presentation

02:08:46   and present your slides to the Mac while you're running keynote on your Mac.

02:08:50   Like it's that, that's kind of what it's for, but still interesting in a place that they

02:08:55   hadn't gone before.

02:08:56   Can we talk about shortcuts?

02:08:57   Oh yes, please.

02:08:58   I'm so excited about this single most exciting announcement for me to shortcuts for the Mac.

02:09:06   It's seems to be quite an ambitious project.

02:09:10   Everything I had hoped shortcuts for the Mac would be.

02:09:13   And they said, and they even write down to the fact that they said, first off, they put

02:09:17   up Apple script and automator, like when was automator mentioned in the keynote the last

02:09:20   time when it was introduced, maybe, um, they put it up there and they say, this is just

02:09:25   the start of a multi-year transition.

02:09:27   Right?

02:09:28   So they're, they're saying it's not all there now, but it will be, we are transitioning

02:09:32   Mac user automation to shortcuts, but like the details where they're like, it's in the

02:09:38   finder, it's in the menu bar, it's in spotlight, it's in Siri.

02:09:41   Um, you can import, I never expected this.

02:09:45   You can import automator actions into shortcuts that you can do Apple script and, uh, shell

02:09:51   scripts from shortcuts on the Mac.

02:09:54   It's all there.

02:09:56   I love a menu bar and doc for quick access to it.

02:10:01   Right?

02:10:02   That's fantastic.

02:10:03   And for, from a, an app standpoint, um, my understanding is that, um, Mac developers

02:10:08   will be able to basically support an API for shortcuts.

02:10:14   If you're running an iPad or an iPhone app just from the app store that was meant for

02:10:18   those platforms on an M one Mac just works, right?

02:10:22   Just like it was on iOS.

02:10:23   Do you know about catalyst apps?

02:10:27   I don't, I think if catalyst apps do support shortcuts when they're on iOS, they support

02:10:36   shortcuts on the Mac, but I'm not a hundred percent.

02:10:39   I think that the right, because they've already done the work, but my understanding is like

02:10:43   Mac Mac apps, like just random Mac app that is not from catalyst that's been on the Mac

02:10:47   for ages should be able to support shortcuts.

02:10:52   And in the meantime, I'll say again, in the meantime, you could do Apple script in a shortcut

02:10:59   that would support it, which is amazing.

02:11:02   And the future of automation on the Mac is what Craig theater, you said it's a multi-year

02:11:07   transition.

02:11:08   Um, and there's somehow some kind of import from automated to shortcuts, which I can't

02:11:13   imagine working for seamlessly, but I guess I can see it because honestly, one of the

02:11:18   problems with an automator is that it did not, it's it's lexicon of, uh, of commands

02:11:25   was not particularly great, nor did it really grow a lot.

02:11:28   So I wonder if what they did here, first off, it might be as simple as they're just going

02:11:32   to call those code bundles, um, from within shortcuts and just sort of like call them

02:11:37   out and say, well, it's over there, or maybe they rewrote them, or maybe that's part of

02:11:41   the transition is to sort of like rewrite that stuff.

02:11:43   But however they're bridging it.

02:11:45   Um, I'm fascinated by that, you know, it may just be as that's that simple is that there's

02:11:50   a shortcut step that is run automator action and it's that automator action.

02:11:56   And so when you import an automator action, you just kind of get that, but we'll have

02:11:59   to see, I'm looking forward to it.

02:12:01   It's very exciting.

02:12:02   Um, this is, this is good stuff.

02:12:06   And the truth is that this is one of those places where iPad and iOS have been ahead

02:12:13   of Mac OS lately, where my it's easier for me to automate stuff on my iPad than it is

02:12:18   on my Mac because shortcuts has so much more power built into it that I have to kind of

02:12:22   brute force on the Mac.

02:12:24   So very excited about this.

02:12:26   I can't wait for it shows that Apple cares about user automation and cares about it on

02:12:30   the Mac and that they like shortcuts and they want shortcuts to be everywhere.

02:12:34   All of these things are great news.

02:12:36   Super great news.

02:12:37   Uh, Safari, Safari got a bunch of new features that actually impact all of the systems, but

02:12:43   they showed it off, I think as part of the Mac because you could show off the features

02:12:47   larger.

02:12:48   There's a new tab bar, which is also kind of the search box or whatever Apple calls

02:12:54   it.

02:12:55   What is it called?

02:12:56   Smart bar.

02:12:57   Uh, now every tab includes its own smart bar, but it's all one smart bar.

02:13:06   Cause they've collapsed the interface.

02:13:07   It kind of reminds me of iOS Safari, right?

02:13:09   Like there's just the tab has its URL control inside it.

02:13:13   I actually kind of like this.

02:13:15   I think the design looks really cool.

02:13:17   It looks modern.

02:13:18   I like the look of it.

02:13:20   I'm going to withhold judgment.

02:13:22   My initial response was that I thought it looked awful and ugly, but it's, that's also

02:13:27   because Safari is familiar and this is new and so I need to, I need to really think about

02:13:33   it.

02:13:34   Um, and also I'm, I'm the kind of person who immediately says you want to, I want you to

02:13:38   show me the entire URL of the page that you're on and not just the domain, right?

02:13:42   The way that Apple has been striving to simplify what's up in the web browser window and I'm

02:13:46   one of those people who does not want them to.

02:13:48   So for me, I look at this and I'm like, eh, you know, I don't know.

02:13:52   I don't know if I like this, but um, and I'm like on the iPhone, it's going to be very

02:13:56   strange too, where the domain is going to be at the bottom and you like swipe across

02:13:59   to go to different tabs and stuff.

02:14:01   I think it's good for the bottom.

02:14:03   I mean, big phone person, right?

02:14:04   Uh, I'm happy they're putting it, moving that down to the bottom.

02:14:07   I like the look of it.

02:14:09   I mean, yes, maybe it needs use.

02:14:11   One thing I haven't seen, I'm hoping that they still have is pinned tabs.

02:14:15   I don't know if that's a thing anymore.

02:14:18   I hope so.

02:14:19   Um, because I use those a lot on the Mac.

02:14:21   Uh, but they also have tab groups, which I think is kind of cool.

02:14:25   Yeah.

02:14:26   So tab groups are, they're live.

02:14:29   They're kind of, if you think about them, so what they're not is bookmarks, right?

02:14:33   They're not like, oh, I set up these five tabs and they're, when I click this tab group,

02:14:37   those five tabs always open.

02:14:38   That's not what they are.

02:14:40   They're they're like, it's almost like having multiple windows open with different sets

02:14:46   of tabs in them, except it's just one window.

02:14:49   So if you've got four pages in a tab group and then you open a new page that's on a different

02:14:54   site and you switch away and you switch back to that tab group, that extra page is there

02:14:58   and you go to on a different device, you go to that tab group, that extra page is there,

02:15:02   and then you close a page and it closes in that tab group on all your devices.

02:15:06   So the tab groups are not permanent saves of, of website, like bookmark stuff.

02:15:14   They're not that.

02:15:15   They're they're sessions.

02:15:17   So the really way to think about it is if you keep 80 tabs open in your browser, but

02:15:22   it's really 20 tabs about this and 30 tabs about this and 15 tabs about this, you can

02:15:27   put those all into individual tab groups.

02:15:29   So it'll be less cluttered, but they're still all available and they're all available across

02:15:33   all your devices, which means that it's kind of a supplement to iCloud tabs because now

02:15:39   all of the tabs are sinking, not just sort of like these are open on your iPhone and

02:15:45   these are open on your Mac and these are open on your iPad.

02:15:49   Although there still is, you can still open tabs that are not grouped and there's basically

02:15:55   like a not grouped group that is just like you also have 10 tabs open.

02:16:03   So a tab doesn't have to live in a tab group, but if a tab lives in a tab group, then it

02:16:09   stays there until you close it and it will be in that tab group on all your devices.

02:16:15   So it's a, it's kind of like organization.

02:16:18   I feel like what basically happened is browser makers are like, well, you can open some tabs

02:16:22   and P and users immediately like, great, I will open a thousand tabs and browser makers

02:16:27   are like, Oh no, don't know.

02:16:32   And so what Apple saying here is instead of opening a hundred tabs in one big tab interface,

02:16:38   why don't you group your tabs by how you're using them?

02:16:43   And that, that I think this is going to be a good feature ultimately.

02:16:45   Yeah, I'm excited about it.

02:16:49   Again it's one of those things that I really want to try out, kick the tires on, but I'm

02:16:53   excited about it.

02:16:54   I didn't even mention maybe what is, I thought maybe the smartest feature, which is the kind

02:16:58   of thing that we'd used to have to like build user automation to do, which is like you,

02:17:03   if you drag the tab group out of the sidebar in Safari into a text, like into notes, it,

02:17:08   it gives you a little link dump in text of all those pages with their links, right?

02:17:13   Like, so if you do a bunch of research and you've got a bunch of stuff open and then

02:17:16   you like, once it save that in a, in, in notes or send it to somebody, you can actually just

02:17:20   drag it out and it, and it literally just turns it into text that you can paste in or

02:17:24   save as text wherever.

02:17:26   Nice.

02:17:27   Very nice.

02:17:28   So it's really thoughtful.

02:17:29   So, so yeah, I'm, I'm reluctant about the look of it.

02:17:33   I'm a little concerned, but I'm open.

02:17:36   I'm, I'm, I'm accepting that I'm in the, we fear change moment now and then I'll, I'll

02:17:40   get better.

02:17:42   But the tab groups thing I think is actually really smart.

02:17:44   Oh, I have one more thing about Safari.

02:17:46   Okay.

02:17:47   Which is, I wish I'd picked this in a draft.

02:17:50   I wish I talked about it and it was so obvious and we left it there cause it happened a year

02:17:54   ago.

02:17:55   And then last year they supported, um, web, the web extensions API.

02:17:59   So basically you could take Chrome extensions and with some extra work and some security

02:18:05   stuff, you could build them and put them in the Mac app store.

02:18:09   And at the time we said, and I wrote an article about this actually a few months afterward,

02:18:12   which is who's going to do this because most of these things are kind of like open source

02:18:16   and it's going to be extra work.

02:18:19   You got to have a Mac.

02:18:20   A lot of them don't even have a Mac.

02:18:21   You got to have a Mac, you got to build it using Xcode.

02:18:24   You got to change some of your code because Apple has some specific security requirements

02:18:28   that are not available or that are not required on these other extension platforms.

02:18:33   So even though you can use a lot of your code from your Chrome extensions, you have to do

02:18:37   a lot of extra work.

02:18:38   And at the end of all of that, what you get is an extension in the Mac app store.

02:18:42   And my thought at the time was nobody's going to do this because they're going to look at

02:18:45   this and say, why am I going to do all this work just to be on the Mac on Safari?

02:18:50   Because after all, they could just use Chrome on the Mac and use my extension.

02:18:56   They don't actually need.

02:18:58   So it's like a fraction of a fraction.

02:18:59   The Mac is not an enormous platform.

02:19:01   And then it's only people using Safari on the Mac.

02:19:04   And if you're building those extensions, you're thinking, I have every Mac and PC because

02:19:08   they're all running Chrome.

02:19:10   That's the attitude.

02:19:11   I know that a lot of people use Safari.

02:19:12   I use Safari.

02:19:13   But at the time, what I kept thinking was, yeah, but if they put this on the iPhone,

02:19:19   right, like web extensions, browser extensions don't run on mobile, right?

02:19:25   They don't run on mobile.

02:19:28   And if Apple would let those browser extensions come to the iPhone, I think those developers

02:19:34   would be more interested in bringing their extensions out.

02:19:36   And that's what happened.

02:19:38   That is going to happen now.

02:19:41   I think they're going to have to build a Mac version and an iOS version.

02:19:44   So they may still not build a Mac OS version.

02:19:46   They're slightly different.

02:19:47   But essentially now all that same story happens, except at the end of the process, what you

02:19:52   get is a browser extension that runs on an iPad and iPhone.

02:19:56   And I think like browser extension for iPhone is going to be the thing that pushes a lot

02:20:01   of those browser extensions over the edge.

02:20:03   Yeah.

02:20:04   I'm intrigued to see what this ends up being like, because I just don't, I can't think

02:20:07   of any, like I don't use any browser extensions.

02:20:11   I can't think of what I would use them for on iOS, let alone on the Mac.

02:20:15   So we'll see, I suppose.

02:20:16   I mean, I guess I use maybe like one password, but like...

02:20:19   Some of them, well, no, I mean, some of them it's, it's rewriting things to look better

02:20:24   or look different or add information.

02:20:26   The one that I always use as an example that's fun is there's an extension called library

02:20:31   extension.

02:20:32   And what it does is it takes like Amazon book pages and says, if this book is available

02:20:36   at your local library, it's a really cool idea, right?

02:20:39   So you, somebody references a book and sends you the Amazon link and you go to the Amazon

02:20:43   site and it says, this copy is available at your local library.

02:20:46   You could reserve it now instead of buying it on Amazon.

02:20:49   It's like, that's so clever.

02:20:51   I love that.

02:20:52   And there there's some other stuff like that.

02:20:53   It's yes, it's, it's a little bit of an edge case, but like the fact that Apple has gone

02:21:00   to all this trouble and has the real thing is like offering it up, offering Safari on

02:21:06   iOS to extension developers.

02:21:09   It's like, so that's, that's really interesting because that's, this is why they have all

02:21:15   those security measures, right?

02:21:18   Is they're letting people rewrite, uh, browser pages and stuff, but I don't know.

02:21:21   Could be interesting.

02:21:22   So that's WWDC 2021.

02:21:25   Is that all?

02:21:26   I think it might be.

02:21:27   All right.

02:21:28   I think that's all she wrote for today.

02:21:31   We'll of course be having more to talk about next week.

02:21:34   I'm sure we'll have tried out some bayers and stuff too.

02:21:37   Um, I know I'm definitely going to be giving iPadOS a while so I can kind of poke through

02:21:42   and see what's going on there.

02:21:43   I don't imagine that I will be trying anything else out between now and then.

02:21:47   I'm not going to put up my iPhone.

02:21:49   I don't think, uh, I'm not going to put it on my Mac.

02:21:53   I don't think we'll find out, I guess, but I'm not planning on that, but iPad for sure.

02:21:57   I think I have it downloading and installing right now.

02:22:01   Um, are you, do you have any plans right now for what you'll be testing?

02:22:05   Do you have test devices?

02:22:06   I guess you do, don't you?

02:22:08   I do.

02:22:09   So yeah, I, I, my plans are that I will take a sacrificial Mac and iPad and iPhone and

02:22:14   very nice.

02:22:15   I installed the beta on them.

02:22:16   So we'll give some first impressions next week.

02:22:19   Plus following up on, you know, all of the little bits and bobs that come out because

02:22:22   there's still a whole week of WWDC to come.

02:22:25   Yeah.

02:22:26   Right.

02:22:27   We're just, we're just starting.

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