0:00:00[Music]
0:00:18From RelayFN, this is Upgrade, episode 355.
0:00:22Today is the WWDC draft for 2021.
0:00:26And today's show is brought to you by Hello, Pingdom, and Forward Networks.
0:00:31I am one of your participants, Myke Hurley, and I am joined by my adversary and also my
0:00:38combatant in the draft, Jason Snell.
0:00:41Hi, Jason.
0:00:42Damn you, Myke.
0:00:43You won last time, but I'll get you this time.
0:00:46Something like that.
0:00:47I don't know.
0:00:48Yeah.
0:00:49I have a #SnellTalk question for you, Jason, and it comes from me.
0:00:51And I would like to know what your plan is for watching the WWDC keynote next Monday.
0:00:55I think I'm going to do what I did last time, and I'm going to sit on my couch with my nice
0:01:01TV and take notes and have it on the big TV.
0:01:05I've done it the first few times.
0:01:07Apple did the streamed events.
0:01:08I did it at my desk.
0:01:10And I think there's something to be said.
0:01:12I'll be at my desk the rest of the day, right?
0:01:14Something to be said for sort of having it still feel sort of theatrical, even though
0:01:18I can't be there.
0:01:19So I think I'm going to watch it on TV.
0:01:21What about you?
0:01:22Yeah.
0:01:23So far with an iPad.
0:01:24I got it from the studio for the first time.
0:01:26So I'm bringing an old TV and my old Apple TV here, which I actually bought a new remote
0:01:31for, because now I love the new remote so much I couldn't face the old remote.
0:01:37So I'm going to bring those both to the studio.
0:01:40So then I'll also be ready to record with you as soon as we can after the keynote, which
0:01:46is the plan, by the way.
0:01:47So next week's episode, we will be starting live as soon as we can after the keynote ends.
0:01:53So if you want to continue listening about and hearing us talk about what's announced
0:01:59at WABC, you can tune in straight after.
0:02:02Just keep your eye on our Twitter account and we'll post as soon as we go live.
0:02:07But we are, of course, today doing the draft.
0:02:10If you would like to send in a Snow Talk question, I didn't do this.
0:02:13I just put it into the document, which, listener, you can't do.
0:02:16But if you send out a tweet with a hashtag SnowTalk or use question mark SnowTalk in
0:02:20the Relay FM members Discord, then you may be able to help us open an episode of the show.
0:02:25So let's talk about the rules for the draft today.
0:02:28This is the largest WWDC draft that we've ever done at my request.
0:02:33I tried to talk you down and I talked you down a little, but not as far as I would have
0:02:38chosen.
0:02:39So it's packed.
0:02:40We're going to have to move fast.
0:02:42So as we said before, the way that we do the draft here is Jason and I put together a list
0:02:48of things that we're able to draw from.
0:02:50So we come up with our picks, we put in anything we can think of, any rumors that we've come
0:02:55around and a bunch of things that we just pull out of our brains.
0:02:57We put them into a master document that we pick from.
0:03:00We had a lot of stuff in the document, like a lot, a lot of stuff.
0:03:04So there are going to be 14 rounds in this draft of 28 overall picks.
0:03:09It will be split into three categories, six total picks for iOS and iPadOS, four picks
0:03:15for macOS, this will also include any Mac hardware, and then four picks for everything
0:03:21else.
0:03:23The winner of the previous draft gets first pick, which finally is me.
0:03:29I was thinking, I don't know how this works.
0:03:31This is weird.
0:03:32Do I not get to go first?
0:03:33You don't get to go first.
0:03:35Believe it or not, it's actually not written into the rules.
0:03:38It's just been one of those things that's been stuck around for a long time.
0:03:41Sportsmanship.
0:03:42Sportsmanship.
0:03:43If you're not planning to count, it must either be clearly announced on stage or on a slide
0:03:47during the presentation itself.
0:03:49That's right.
0:03:51In case of a scoring stalemate between Jason and Myke, Steven Hackett will adjudicate.
0:03:55We pretty much always score ourselves, but when we can't, we always have Steven's help.
0:04:00There are no partial points awarded.
0:04:01It's just a four point or a zero point.
0:04:03Yeah.
0:04:04I've amended this in the bill of upgrade rules because it previously said no half points
0:04:10awarded and I thought, well, we could award a third a point.
0:04:12Or a quarter.
0:04:13Or a quarter of a point and that's not, no, that's not the point here.
0:04:14It's good to have nicely clarified rules.
0:04:17It is good to have nicely clarified, although we haven't had to deal with this in a long
0:04:21time because of sportsmanship again.
0:04:23Sportsmanship.
0:04:24It's a watchword here, the upgrade draft.
0:04:26No points awarded for any preannounced or ridiculously obvious items.
0:04:30So if something is preannounced just before the keynote and it's not in the keynote, it
0:04:33doesn't count.
0:04:34No.
0:04:35And if it's in the Mac OS or the OS state of the union afterward or in a press release,
0:04:38it doesn't matter.
0:04:39It's not in the keynote.
0:04:40It doesn't matter.
0:04:41It doesn't matter.
0:04:42It's not in the video, either sad or visual.
0:04:45The points awarded on the episode are final and in the case of a tie, there is a tiebreaker
0:04:51question.
0:04:52I get to pick the time limit that we're going to be doing and then Jason will pick the over
0:04:57or under and we'll get to that in a bit.
0:04:59So when it looks at previous draft results, so far I am winning for the year because I
0:05:03picked up the April victory.
0:05:05This is ending a two year losing streak.
0:05:08So I have a document where I keep track of it and I hadn't remembered this, but I have
0:05:13not won a draft since 2018 up until the April one.
0:05:21So there we go.
0:05:22In the past though, I have actually had the most success at WWDC.
0:05:27I have won the first three drafts consecutively and you have won the past two after that.
0:05:32So odds are in my favor for WWDC typically, but not recently.
0:05:37I like your chances.
0:05:40As always, there will be a link in the show notes of the episode to a scorecard, which
0:05:44is maintained by the wonderful Zach Knox.
0:05:47You can go and see that it's an interactive scorecard so you can play along with us as
0:05:51everything goes through over the course of the event next week.
0:05:59And they also have a new home now as well where you can also see previous scorecards.
0:06:02It is an upgrade.cards.
0:06:04I had no idea there was a dot.cards domain, but there is.
0:06:09So now we know.
0:06:10Pick that up.
0:06:11Tiebreaker question.
0:06:13So we've been settling on these over under for the event durations recently, which I
0:06:18actually think is a pretty good tiebreaker because we've done stuff in the past like
0:06:22Mac OS name, color of Tim Cook's shoes.
0:06:26Somebody had a good one that I actually enjoyed, which was guess that we each guessed the name
0:06:31of the location that will be chosen for Mac OS.
0:06:36And then whoever is geographically closest to it wins, which I think is hilarious.
0:06:40But this is the foolproof one.
0:06:43I don't like the complexity of it all.
0:06:45So this one, somebody sets the number and the other one chooses over under and that's
0:06:50how the gamblers do it.
0:06:51And you know, the gamblers wouldn't lie.
0:06:54Would they?
0:06:55The Apple will name it and name it with a geographic location.
0:07:01Right I know.
0:07:02I know.
0:07:03And that's the risk there too is that they don't name it.
0:07:04They just say, well, you know, it's just Mac OS 12 and let's move on.
0:07:09And then what do we do if we tie?
0:07:10So this is better.
0:07:11This is always going to going to work for us.
0:07:14As a slight aside, because we don't have this in our picks.
0:07:16So I do just want to ask you now about Mac OS and its naming and numbering.
0:07:21Yes.
0:07:22Do you have any particular thought on what they might do this time around?
0:07:26I definitely think it's going to be Mac OS 12.
0:07:29I suspect they'll just keep on with the tradition of giving it a code name because that's fun.
0:07:34Although I wouldn't be surprised at some point if they stopped because iOS doesn't have a
0:07:38nickname.
0:07:39None of the other releases do.
0:07:41Just the Mac.
0:07:42And if they are going to go to the incremental numbering, they may as well just switch over
0:07:48to that.
0:07:49Yeah.
0:07:50So it could happen.
0:07:51Apple didn't really talk about it being Mac OS 11, did they?
0:07:54No, they called it Big Sur, but that wouldn't stop them from saying Mac OS 12.
0:07:58I think it is something they could absolutely do, but my guess is that they won't stop naming
0:08:04Mac OS only because it's a fun thing to get people to talk about, you know, what Mac OS
0:08:10is and it's a tradition.
0:08:12But you know, Apple breaks traditions all the time when it suits them.
0:08:15So they could, but my guess would be not.
0:08:19And you would expect that they would go, if they are going to increment the number, they're
0:08:22going to go to 12.
0:08:23They aren't going to skip to 15 or whatever.
0:08:26No, I think it's going to be 12.
0:08:28Yeah.
0:08:29I think you're right there because why would they have changed the number to 11?
0:08:31Right?
0:08:32Like if they're then going to jump, that would have been the time to do it, right?
0:08:36To make that change.
0:08:37If they were doing that, then we would have already seen Mac OS 12 and 13 earlier this
0:08:41year, right?
0:08:42They'd be like, no, what do you mean?
0:08:44We're just incrementing the number.
0:08:45And then they would hit 15, but they didn't do that.
0:08:47So yeah, I think it'll just be 12.
0:08:49So the tiebreaker question, I had to think about this.
0:08:55So I get to set the number, how many minutes the event will run for and where we will go
0:09:00over or under that.
0:09:01Now, all of the previous events that we've been doing since WWDC, they haven't crossed
0:09:06the hour mark or they've been right around the hour mark.
0:09:10Right.
0:09:11I feel like that's not enough time for WWDC.
0:09:14I can imagine that if they're going to go long somewhere, they're going to go long here.
0:09:18I mean, that's how it's typically always been.
0:09:20It's going to be very interesting just in general for this having been one year of virtual
0:09:26events.
0:09:27And I think it's going to be, I'm intrigued to compare and contrast like just the visual
0:09:33style of this WWDC to the last one, because definitely the events videos that they've
0:09:38done, they just keep turning up the pressure on how good they're going to look, you know?
0:09:43So I'm very intrigued about that.
0:09:44And also just the presentations, like the sessions and stuff.
0:09:48Now they've had an entire year to prepare rather than a couple of months or weeks to
0:09:51prepare.
0:09:52I'm intrigued to see how the visual style of that's going to be this year as well.
0:09:57But nevertheless, I have picked 85 minutes as the runtime.
0:10:03So just under an hour and a half is where I'm going.
0:10:08Over or under 85 minutes, Jason Snow?
0:10:11Well I'm looking, I'm considering how long the keynote was last year.
0:10:17Yep.
0:10:18Right?
0:10:19Mm-hmm.
0:10:20And the answer is it was 108 minutes and 51 seconds.
0:10:28And so I'm going to go over.
0:10:30I think it's going to be more like 100 minutes.
0:10:32Maybe not 120, but I think it's going to be over 85.
0:10:35So I'll take the over there.
0:10:37I'm going to say that I did do a slight miscalculation here.
0:10:41And so this may end up going in your favor, Jason.
0:10:44But that is perfectly fine.
0:10:46I'm at 85.
0:10:47Did you mean to be 115 minutes?
0:10:49What did you do?
0:10:53Kind of.
0:10:54Nevertheless, we're at 85.
0:10:56That's where we're going to go.
0:10:57All right.
0:10:58With that one.
0:10:59Thank you.
0:11:00It's your first time picking the over or under.
0:11:02What am I supposed to do, you know?
0:11:04Well, you live and learn.
0:11:07Maybe I'll end up being right though, you know?
0:11:08You could be?
0:11:09Mm-hmm.
0:11:10I won't be.
0:11:11I feel like now.
0:11:12No, you won't.
0:11:13No.
0:11:14But to be honest, it's the likelihood of us getting
0:11:17to the tiebreaker with the amount of rounds we have.
0:11:20I don't know.
0:11:21It's unlikely to me.
0:11:22Yes.
0:11:23So before we get started with our first round, which is iOS and iPadOS, let me take our very
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0:12:59So let's get started with the picks themselves.
0:13:01Let's go into round one on iOS and iPadOS.
0:13:05And again, I'm all discombobulated, Jason.
0:13:08I'm thinking, "Right, what's Jason going to pick first?"
0:13:10But no, it's me.
0:13:11When I do my prep, I think like, "Okay, these are the two most obvious ones, so which one
0:13:15am I going to pick, and then is Myke going to pick the other one, or otherwise I should
0:13:18pick the one that I think Myke won't pick?"
0:13:20And then I realized, "Oh, Myke picks first."
0:13:23This isn't how it goes this time.
0:13:24How intriguing.
0:13:27Home screen widgets on iPad is going to be my first pick.
0:13:31Yep, literally the first one on my list too.
0:13:34I mean, honestly, I think maybe of everything in our list, this one feels like the most
0:13:41sure thing.
0:13:42Like, for me anyway, that was kind of how I approached this this time.
0:13:48Widgets have had a great success over the last year.
0:13:51People love them.
0:13:52And it was always very clear that we should see them on iPad.
0:13:57It seemed like the perfect device for it.
0:13:59So I can only assume that if we are going to be getting iPadOS as a focus this year,
0:14:04or at least getting some new features, we might talk about what some of those could
0:14:07be.
0:14:08It seems like widgets coming to the iPad would be a pretty sensible and worthwhile addition.
0:14:15Yeah, I mean, it was missing last year, right?
0:14:19That was the...
0:14:20Well, I mean, you can put them in the column.
0:14:23I guess what you're really saying here is that the little widget place where widgets
0:14:28live on iPadOS is going away.
0:14:29Yeah, on the actual home screen.
0:14:30If they're going to mingle with the app icon.
0:14:33You can put them kind of wherever you want.
0:14:36It'd be super interesting.
0:14:38I would love it.
0:14:39I could imagine people doing loads of cool things with their old iPads.
0:14:43Like you set up an old iPad that you've got and it's like a little status board and it
0:14:48lives off to the side of your desk, like your old iPad or whatever.
0:14:52Could be super cool, especially if they add more functionality for widgets this year.
0:14:57Maybe we're going to talk about that in a bit.
0:14:58I hope that they do.
0:15:00I think Apple would be really silly to not double down on widgets considering it was
0:15:07in recent years one of the things that they've actually added into the system that has taken
0:15:12off in the way that they would want to.
0:15:14Like I think the last few years for Apple, they've been trying to launch things and they
0:15:18haven't panned out.
0:15:20Even last year, watch face sharing, nobody's doing that.
0:15:26The thing about the widgets too is just like it's all embedded in this disappointment that
0:15:32the iPad didn't get the attention that the iPhone home screen got last year.
0:15:35And I think the message, even though Apple didn't say it, but like it was very clear
0:15:38that next year for the iPad, like we're just not, we couldn't do them both.
0:15:43Essentially that was the report I saw, right?
0:15:44We talked about it.
0:15:45So the iPad got to wait a year.
0:15:48Well here we are.
0:15:49So it's time.
0:15:50What's your first pick?
0:15:52I'm going to go with what my second item on my list was since you took my first one.
0:15:57That's fun.
0:15:58Which is overhaul of notifications.
0:15:59This is something that Mark Gurman has reported and it's needed, it's necessary, a revisiting
0:16:06in iOS and iPadOS of how notifications are sent, new features and tools to customize
0:16:14them.
0:16:15The idea, I think one of the concepts out there is that you could have different scenarios.
0:16:20So like certain times of day, certain locations where your notification preferences change
0:16:25so that you don't see this notification when you're in the house, but you'd see it when
0:16:29you're out and you don't get it at night.
0:16:30But these other ones you do get, even if you're sleeping and like having the ability to really
0:16:34control that.
0:16:36You know, Android has notification settings that every time I've looked at an Android
0:16:41phone I'm baffled by them because they're like, that's the argument, right?
0:16:45Is, oh, you get so much control.
0:16:46And I look at it and think, oh, this is too much.
0:16:49This is too much.
0:16:50And I think that's what Apple is going to struggle with with notifications is I think
0:16:54offering people control is really great for notifications and it's a must, but it really
0:16:59fights against a lot of Apple's instincts in terms of keeping it simple.
0:17:03So I'm interested to see how they do it, but I think they need to do it because notifications
0:17:07are a mess.
0:17:08They're a mess across all their platforms.
0:17:09Notifications on Mac, don't get me started about that.
0:17:12But I'm hoping that they'll have a more unified idea of how notifications work and put it
0:17:16on all their platforms.
0:17:18But this pick is overhauling notifications in iOS and iPadOS.
0:17:23I always feel like whenever Apple have done this kind of stuff, they never go as far as
0:17:28I want them to, but I hope that they do something.
0:17:32And that idea of profiles even that Mark Gorman was talking about that we just mentioned,
0:17:38that would be nice, but I really want there to just be way more control over, and also
0:17:45for Apple to enforce it.
0:17:47What I want, Jason, is like each application has different types of notifications they're
0:17:53allowed to send and you can choose what you want.
0:17:56Also you can turn off marketing messages from an application in iOS settings.
0:18:01That's the kind of stuff that I want to be able to do, but I can't imagine them going
0:18:04to that level.
0:18:05Yeah, but I can see the scenario where they say, "Okay, what we're going to do now is
0:18:09we're going to classify.
0:18:10You have to, as a developer, classify your notifications."
0:18:13I wish.
0:18:14"And you have to put them in these buckets and we're going to look, right, the app review's
0:18:18going to look and you better not mess this up."
0:18:21But the idea there that then the user just says, "I want to see these kinds of notifications,"
0:18:26instead of, "Let me go into this app and deliver quietly," or, "Oh no, do I want to turn that
0:18:31off?"
0:18:32It's too much.
0:18:33That's the question, right, is what's their approach here.
0:18:35But I appreciate Mark Gorman's report.
0:18:38I like the idea that they're going to take another crack at it because they need to.
0:18:41For my second pick, I'm going back to the widget well.
0:18:46More size options for widgets.
0:18:50I think that this will be something that comes along naturally with the iPad, that maybe
0:18:55you might have larger widgets.
0:18:57But I would also like smaller widgets as well for the iPhone.
0:19:02Like a widget that takes maybe two app icons in size rather than the four.
0:19:08I have a couple of widgets that I want on my home screen, but they don't need to be
0:19:12as big as they are.
0:19:14Looking at you shortcuts, right?
0:19:15Like the single shortcut widget as a two-by-two block, it's way too large.
0:19:23And I think that they could, you know, honestly, I think you could do them in one.
0:19:30Like one icon sized, right?
0:19:32Wouldn't that be interesting, a widget that's an icon?
0:19:36Yeah, and the benefit that you have there is it's updating information.
0:19:40So like finally your third party calendar app could show you the date as the icon.
0:19:46At that point, isn't that just a custom?
0:19:47I mean, you could have more than one, I guess, per app, but it's like a custom automatically
0:19:52updating icon.
0:19:53Yeah, it's the automatic updating part, which is exciting to me as opposed to the custom
0:19:57part.
0:19:58Because custom icons, you know, you can do that, but widgets live on the home screen
0:20:03and they can have data surface to them.
0:20:05Like imagine your weather app showing you the current weather status in the application
0:20:12icon because it's a widget now instead.
0:20:15So I don't know.
0:20:16I think they will do again, I'm going big on this because I'm sure that they will too.
0:20:23I feel pretty confident in that.
0:20:26Honestly, it would be a huge surprise to me to not see a lot of attention paid to widgets
0:20:32again and expanding them.
0:20:34Because even last year, it seemed natural that this was the start of a new strategy.
0:20:39Right.
0:20:40And we discussed how the, it's one of those cases where people were actually enthusiastic
0:20:44about upgrading in order to get all the new things so they could get their home screen
0:20:48customized and all of those things.
0:20:51Like the logical thing would have been that Apple looked at that and said, oh, we should
0:20:54prioritize those features.
0:20:56And widgets is a great example of that.
0:20:57Like did they do the widgets last year and say, okay, we're done now.
0:21:01This is it.
0:21:02This is all it ever needs to be.
0:21:03I would think not.
0:21:04I would think that that was 1.0 and we'll see 2.0, but who knows.
0:21:08Okay.
0:21:09Give me your second pick.
0:21:10I'm going to go with more options to change default apps.
0:21:16So currently Apple offers some options to change some app types away from the default
0:21:23so that you can have a different web browser and a different email app.
0:21:28And I think Siri has some custom defaults for things like music, but I'm going to keep
0:21:35this broad and just say Apple will add to that class.
0:21:39I have some thoughts about what it might be.
0:21:42You know, calendar is a good one.
0:21:45Let's hear it for, is there a calculator service?
0:21:48We should get that in there.
0:21:49James Thompson can just like slide in and be like, no, no, Pcalc is your calculator now.
0:21:54But whatever it is, I just feel like not only is the pressure still on Apple to sort of
0:22:00show that they're open to third parties and not just trying to take everything for themselves,
0:22:06but they introduced this concept.
0:22:08So I'm going to throw in that they'll expand it and add some new things.
0:22:11Because, and remember, it's a developer conference.
0:22:13So they're talking to the developers of the third party apps who would benefit from being
0:22:17able to be set as a default.
0:22:19So that's why I think that you'll see some, some expansion of this policy.
0:22:26It is difficult to think of exactly like the ones that they might do.
0:22:31Calendar makes sense.
0:22:32Calendar.
0:22:33Even reminders, like a to do application stuff.
0:22:36Right.
0:22:37Right.
0:22:38And I know, and it's complicated.
0:22:39And, and this is a weird area where like auto opening of a app based on its type instead
0:22:46of what app it is.
0:22:47But there are places where that happens and I think you could do calendar is a good one.
0:22:52Actually, one of the things that struck me is like, um, Apple's data detector stuff will
0:22:57find dates and I use fantastical, right?
0:23:00So then I tap on the date cause it's a hyperlink and it opens it in the calendar app.
0:23:04That's not what I want.
0:23:06That's not my calendar app.
0:23:07So that would be a directly applicable thing.
0:23:09TJ in the, in the discord just, just suggested one, which is very key for you.
0:23:14Maps.
0:23:15Maps.
0:23:16Yeah.
0:23:17So you can detect an address and set Google maps as your default that it'll open that
0:23:20address in Google maps and not in Apple maps and that, yeah.
0:23:24So I don't know what form this will take, but I'm willing to put down a chip on, um,
0:23:29more than they've got already.
0:23:30All right.
0:23:32For my third pick, I am going back to the home screen.
0:23:35I'm going back to the iPad again.
0:23:37My later picks will differ from this.
0:23:39Uh, but you know, Jason's picked up some stuff.
0:23:41I would have to, so I've moved my list around app library for the iPad.
0:23:45Now that was high on my list.
0:23:47Again, you got me again.
0:23:49This again, as people will say this, I think Federico wrote this in his review too.
0:23:53Like app library kind of makes more sense on the iPad in the first place.
0:23:59Um, so yeah, I would love to see this because you know, I'm sure we, I think we were talking
0:24:05about this a couple of weeks ago.
0:24:07My iPad is, you know, I've got a bunch of icons and then a bunch of folders, which I
0:24:11just throw stuff into and I never know what's in there.
0:24:13I think it's an even worse state than my iPhone.
0:24:16I would love app library on my iPad.
0:24:19I do hope as well Apple does some refinements to the app library.
0:24:24I really want them to put it in a new gesture, like a swipe up from the bottom gesture like
0:24:29they do on Android.
0:24:30So this is my only hesitation about app library on iPad and I had it high on my list of possible
0:24:36picks is what if it's not app library?
0:24:39What if it's another take on app library, but it's not app library?
0:24:43I think it will be, but like when you think about the size of an iPad screen and you think
0:24:47about how app library is implemented on iPhone, I wonder if they'll have another approach
0:24:54that does the same thing but isn't maybe the same.
0:24:57I also wonder like you could do app library as like a, like a widget or an expanding thing
0:25:02or a column on a page instead of it being the full thing.
0:25:07I also wonder could you just make an applications icon that imagine if you will an application
0:25:15folder of a kind that would then you would tap and it would open it?
0:25:19What about a pad from which you could launch applications?
0:25:22Oh interesting, interesting.
0:25:24Anyway that's my issue is only I wonder if Apple will say oh well app library that's
0:25:28more of an iPhone idea for the iPad.
0:25:31We've invented appstravaganza.
0:25:33You're like all right whatever, but yeah I do think that something like this has to come
0:25:38to the iPad.
0:25:39It makes more sense on the iPad.
0:25:40I have you know I struggle with this more on the iPad than I do on the iPhone so I would
0:25:44really like to just be able to have it be there instead of having to because honestly
0:25:51after spending a year with app library on my iPhone I look at that set that last page
0:25:55of my iPad home screen and I just think oh this is so sad.
0:26:00Like all these folders that are just where these apps are dumped in order to keep them
0:26:04on the device but not visible to me so I would like that to go away.
0:26:08Give me your third pick.
0:26:09My third pick is, this is the big one Myke, it's a big one.
0:26:15At least one Apple Pro app brought to iPad.
0:26:21This is way earlier than I had this on my list.
0:26:25I thought about it and I decided that I think all signs point to this and in fact I would
0:26:34say and you can see because I picked it here I think it's the most likely quote unquote
0:26:39solution to the M1 iPad is so powerful why can't you do more stuff with it?
0:26:48I think it's actually the easiest solution for Apple is to have a long gestating probably
0:26:54final cut or something for iPad released.
0:26:58I think it's actually easier for them to do that than say rethink multitasking and windowing
0:27:03in order to support external displays or something like that.
0:27:05I feel like just saying oh we brought final cut to the iPad and it's not full final cut
0:27:11it's missing some features that we'll add later but you can sync your projects back
0:27:16and forth and you can finally do video editing even though you could with LumaFusion but
0:27:21now you can do final cut style video editing using the power of the M1 etc.
0:27:26It could be logic it could be Xcode but I think final cut is probably the most likely
0:27:32and I just so that's my rationale is really that I think it might be easier for them to
0:27:36say hey look we did a Pro app instead of the harder work this is me being a little cynical
0:27:41about this but like the harder work of really overhauling iPad OS to be more properly powerful
0:27:48for the iPad Pro.
0:27:50And what you're saying is that then when the question is why is the iPad Pro so powerful
0:27:57why does it have Thunderbolt they point to final cut right?
0:28:03That's a pretty interesting thought I hadn't considered that.
0:28:06I mean I had this low on my list because you know I just feel like we've been burned about
0:28:10this you know for years.
0:28:13I remember back to WWDC in San Francisco talking about Xcode for iPad.
0:28:19I know I know and there are several items on this list that are very much I've been
0:28:23burned by this so many times am I going to do it again and sometimes the answer is yes
0:28:27let's just keep picking it until they do it.
0:28:30And sometimes it's like no I'm not going to pick it and then sometimes that's when it
0:28:33happens so for this time I feel like this is the most likely scenario of all of the
0:28:39scenarios about them justifying the power of the M1 iPad Pro they may also just not
0:28:44so there's that.
0:28:45For my fourth pick this is maybe a frustratingly ambiguous pick but new features for the Messages
0:28:53app.
0:28:54Okay.
0:28:55You know I feel like they started to do some interesting stuff with messages last year
0:29:02pinned messages the threaded replies and all that kind of stuff I think Apple could push
0:29:10a little bit further here you know maybe adding some more functionality to these things that
0:29:16they have done before.
0:29:20I don't really have a lot to this.
0:29:22Well I was thinking you know there are rumors out there about the idea that Apple wants
0:29:27to do things that are more social media like social network like.
0:29:32I just don't know what any of that is.
0:29:34Right.
0:29:35I mean the one that I will suggest and this is a freebie Apple you can just slide it in
0:29:39in the next week to the beta is I want Tapax expanded to be any emoji I want.
0:29:44Just anything right?
0:29:45I love slack replies and I love Tapax but Tapax with six icons is stupid so I want more
0:29:54I want emoji reactions basically but there's lots of fun stuff that they could probably
0:29:59think up in terms of making I mean Messages is so powerful for them and they've only seemed
0:30:05to recently awaken and realize that they actually need to do things and make an effort on Messages.
0:30:12Did you in the in the discos stories stories.
0:30:16Oh man they could write like they could don't like don't joke about that like say its name
0:30:23and it will appear because we already have everybody's Apple ID and you've got people
0:30:28that are in your messages and that you've added their contact or that you get their
0:30:31little icon like there's already a back end directory service so Apple could totally do
0:30:36it to do stories and there's a story view that's like everybody who's in your contacts
0:30:41and if you say it three times it will appear.
0:30:44Oh no.
0:30:45No look into the app and say it three times.
0:30:49My thinking for this pick was not so much the detail but the reason and I have another
0:30:55pick that I'm going to maybe make in a bit if you don't get it too which is I think there's
0:30:59going to be a story about in all of this stuff I think we're going to hear things about how
0:31:06you know the last year has changed the way we do X and communication is one of those
0:31:11things so adding new features to tools that people use to communicate virtually I think
0:31:17will be something that not only they would be wanting to do but also would have made
0:31:22the people in charge of producing this software and making the decisions may have realized
0:31:29more the areas in which they are lacking this year or where things could be improved so
0:31:35I could imagine new features for messages in that regard.
0:31:39Yeah I think it's perfectly reasonable and I think I know where you're going when you
0:31:42say that but we've got a couple more picks here which is great.
0:31:46I am going to go next with more user controllable design and theming on iOS and iPadOS now this
0:31:54could potentially even be related to the notifications thing right they might have a bigger.
0:31:59Picture idea of sort of like modes or you know when I'm at home here are my notifications
0:32:05and here's how my wallpaper changes.
0:32:09Android's latest release announcement has a lot of customization in it I'm really saying
0:32:16I mean obviously we know sometimes Apple and Google do the same sorts of things it's in
0:32:22the conversation it's in the water they're not copying each other they're literally on
0:32:26parallel tracks doing the same sorts of things and then they have their individual take on
0:32:31it I think it's interesting that Google did that Google obviously saw the enthusiasm that
0:32:36users had with the iOS release last year in terms of customizing their devices well Apple
0:32:41also saw that and so yeah I think that I don't I imagine that whatever they do should they
0:32:47do this it will be disappointing in the in the way that it will not ever be what everybody
0:32:52wants it to be an example I would give would be are you saying that you every UI element
0:32:59in the system can now change based on a per user base I'll be like no you know I don't
0:33:04think Apple's gonna do that that's more of an Android thing but I could see Apple coming
0:33:08up with a set of themes set of statuses or a set of themes to choose from and then telling
0:33:14app developers here are the themes the users can pick from there are four of them or six
0:33:20of them and you can choose to change your UI based on what theme the user is using and
0:33:27so it's like night mode like dark mode and light mode except more more modes and an example
0:33:35would be that you could also say like my icon changes when if somebody is choosing I don't
0:33:42know summer mode my icon gets all summery and winter mode my icon gets all wintery right
0:33:48and my UI changes so that that's the idea I think it will be really restrained because
0:33:54it's Apple but I feel like Apple is gonna want to do something to sort of get across
0:33:59the idea that users really do want a little more control over what their devices look
0:34:04like yeah I don't think they're gonna do as much as Google has done with material I think
0:34:09it'll be impossible right because Google has literally done everything as far as I can
0:34:13tell but that's why I came in with the idea of sort of like presets imagine Apple saying
0:34:18yes you you too can customize your device to one of four items that we have made for
0:34:24you that we have chosen but I just want to say for the sake of squaring if all they do
0:34:30is add like a proper blessed custom app icon thing that would count I just want to say
0:34:36that because we don't have that in there we didn't speak about that but I think that would
0:34:39count like if they said hey we have this new way for users to set their own custom icons
0:34:45that is user controllable design yeah I think so yeah and you we know we know what this
0:34:50is which is it's essentially reacting to the aesthetic AF trend of last fall and being
0:34:57like oh yeah we got to get some of that in there and whatever they do we'll know it when
0:35:00we see it the David Smith effect yes underscore the underscore effect I was gonna pick one
0:35:06here but it's boring so I'm gonna change it for a different one maybe we'll come back
0:35:11to what was boring there in a minute I'm gonna go with one that I desperately want which
0:35:15is a redesign of the home app oh nice the whole map kind of sucks it kinda it's really
0:35:22not very good it's it that the information density is weird all of the controls you know
0:35:29like takes too long to do everything like for example I recently got internet control
0:35:36radiated things so they're radiative valves that I can turn on and off I think it's made
0:35:40by a company called Eve yeah you could finally do what all of us with smart thermostats in
0:35:44the US have been doing for years which is control your temperature of your environment
0:35:48with the computer yeah because the environment I've got them here at the studio lots of people
0:35:53have nested in the UK I just don't have access here at the studio to a central controlled
0:35:58heating system yeah all I can do is turn the radiators on and off for me to turn them on
0:36:04I have to long press on a tile and then press a button why do I need to do that why can't
0:36:10I just press a button on the whole like the one screen and turn it on like that did so
0:36:16many little things are weird about the home app and there's so much interesting information
0:36:22that is there like the and the automation stuff is fantastic that part is great it's
0:36:26designed really well there's got a lot of smart stuff I love how it recommends things
0:36:31that part of it's great but the main kind of like here is your home and here's its controls
0:36:37it's so bad like it's it's really just not it is designed to look nice not to be functional
0:36:45and it doesn't even really look that nice you know you can vary I see a lot of people
0:36:49very easily get into a case where they're having to scroll you should never need to
0:36:53scroll in the home app things should be resizing way more before you need to get to scrolling
0:36:59so yeah I would there needs to be some some rethinking for the home app especially as
0:37:05it seems that there is a potential for home technology to get better over the next couple
0:37:10coming years with with the matter initiative this is one that I want to see them put some
0:37:16some time and effort into now so they're ready for that and they don't like falls later on
0:37:20because I in theory with the matter initiative I wouldn't have to use the home app I could
0:37:25use another app
0:37:26but ideally you use the home app and it would be good exactly right now it's not good oh
0:37:31this is a funny this is just an aside but I was thinking about how janky homekit and
0:37:36the home app is the other night at two in the morning or three in the morning this is
0:37:43not going to end well right I'm I'm asleep this so positively I'm asleep and there's
0:37:50a beep from above me in my bedroom my ceiling fan has turned on what it's a homekit ceiling
0:38:08fan and something has told it to turn on I do have an automation for the ceiling fan
0:38:15however it's an automation that is timed and it runs in the afternoon and it's basically
0:38:19if it's a warm in the bedroom in the afternoon it turns on the ceiling fan it's a nice little
0:38:23simple automation that doesn't work as reliably as it should but I have tried all sorts of
0:38:28other automations including some stuff in the home plus app where I'm trying to do thresholds
0:38:34where it's like literally if the temperature in the bedroom because why can't you do this
0:38:38if the temperature in the bedroom crosses a threshold turn on the fan right if it's
0:38:43warmer than 74 degrees turn on the fan and that never worked I tried that it never really
0:38:49worked the home app doesn't support it anyway and now I'm a little concerned and it's not
0:38:53an am/pm problem because the automation is 3 p.m. and it ran the next day at 3 p.m. something
0:39:03happened either there is a stray command to turn it on that finally came through did my
0:39:10Apple TV reboot or something or what I fear is my attempts to do a not entirely supported
0:39:18home plus automation has left some command somewhere in the homekit server that thinks
0:39:25it knows what it's doing but it's actually and it's not visible anywhere it's like a
0:39:29zombie thing but it only happened the one well no it happened twice because I turned
0:39:32it off and I went back to sleep and I woke up in the morning and it was back on oh you're
0:39:37done now you could you got to remove it I got to move like I got to take the fan down
0:39:42so my point is home the home app it needs help completely unrelated other complaint
0:39:49you know in the studio I'm like you know I say hey assistant turn off the lights and
0:39:54it says your accessories not responding and then I pick up my phone and I turn them off
0:39:59in the home app and they go off why does that happen I don't understand why that app that
0:40:03shouldn't be happening right that's a different issue I'm gonna go with a boring one good
0:40:09and it's vague okay but I feel like it's the kind of thing Apple will do at WWDC new it's
0:40:17this is like your messages pick new features for FaceTime this was the one that I was referencing
0:40:24oh this is your boring one that you know this is my boring one this is my this is when I
0:40:28when I was talking about that I said I might pick I have another one to pick okay for the
0:40:32same reason you know you would expect this would be an application that had some focus
0:40:36on it right now is now there have been new features for FaceTime on the iPad Pro because
0:40:42we now have center stage but I'm thinking more broadly like in the in the year that
0:40:48we've had where everybody has been doing video conferencing and all of that and everybody's
0:40:52been using zoom and things like that if I was on the FaceTime team I would say hey why
0:40:57don't people use FaceTime like I have a every other week family zoom and everybody's on an
0:41:05Apple device and I don't know why we're using zoom other than people are comfortable with
0:41:10it and I think that if I were on the FaceTime team I'd be saying hey wait a second how can
0:41:15we up our game here what do all what do Cisco WebEx and and zoom and and all these other
0:41:22services have that we don't how can we up our game here I don't know the answer to that
0:41:27question no animated backgrounds I don't know what it is.
0:41:33So there are people that pay more money than we're paid to come up with that.
0:41:36That's right I'm just saying something like no no I'm gonna be picture that I'm an Apple
0:41:39is it picture I'm Craig all right let's say I'm Craig I'm gonna have my meeting with the
0:41:44product leads for FaceTime I'm gonna be like you got to give me something.
0:41:48Yeah.
0:41:49What what like what in particular something like look at zoom look at WebEx look at all
0:41:55these competitors out there they do all sorts of stuff that FaceTime doesn't try to do you
0:42:00know but I'm gonna put this on you I'm not gonna come up with your list for you but give
0:42:04me something give me some some substantive advancement in something about FaceTime let
0:42:09it be give you something boring Jason sure join a FaceTime by a link I was about to say
0:42:15that like yeah how about the ability to create a FaceTime room and email it to people that's
0:42:21that's almost like a social feature that uses FaceTime super boring but it's one of the
0:42:26reasons zoom has been yeah so because it's so easy you just send them around to people
0:42:31FaceTime on the web what about that Jason yeah it's time on the web about recording
0:42:34a meeting yeah in FaceTime that would be a thing and yes yes seriously backgrounds people
0:42:42love the backgrounds and zoom just how good your you know machine learning is you should
0:42:47be able to pick me out right do you use the I don't know all the cameras I got on my iPhones
0:42:51and stuff yeah do something fun let's do it.
0:42:55We're into our last picks here yeah now the of this massive six pick there's something
0:43:02there's a thing quite specific there's a whole area of stuff that we've not picked and I
0:43:08think probably for good reason mm-hmm and it's all the iPad stuff yeah mic calculator
0:43:14on iPad it's right there weather app on iPad you could put that in there too if you wanted
0:43:19I'm trying to work out what I want to do here because this is difficult like if you're gonna
0:43:25put your money down on this one this is one of those situations where I actually would
0:43:30prefer you to be going first right because I could be as I wouldn't I would expect it
0:43:35maybe you're similar thinking similarly to me is whichever one I go with you can pick
0:43:39the other one uh-huh what we're talking about here is like if or what Apple will change
0:43:44in regards to the way that the iPad works yeah I've got one teed up here if you don't
0:43:51so I am going to be the downer okay oh man you I saw you put this in oh man well this
0:44:02I think this is I thought it was a brilliant move when you put this in our document and
0:44:06and sure bet the under go for it is the pick the core of iPad OS remains mostly unchanged
0:44:13no multitasking changes no external display support this is this is actually kind of the
0:44:20flip side of my one pro app which is and that's all that's what you get one pro app and you'll
0:44:28be happy about it that's all I don't want this to be the case right I want there to
0:44:35be everything I want loads of new features I just don't I just don't know if I can confidently
0:44:42say they're gonna do it mm-hmm I want them to do it but I don't know that they will right
0:44:53this is one of those pics where I'm almost would be happy to be wrong oh sure if it then
0:45:01but if I'm right I at least get something where otherwise I would get a point I'm sad
0:45:07about the entire future of the iPad as a platform but I did get a point so yeah I mean look
0:45:16too many times we've asked for too much for whatever reason and as you mentioned earlier
0:45:23there's a lot of things that they can do for the iPad while still leaving multitasking and
0:45:30external display support as is external display support that could come in six months time
0:45:37with a new monitor right like they did with the trackpad there's no reason to necessarily
0:45:42do that now and you could still do things like expanding multiple app windows and all
0:45:49that kind of stuff without changing the multitasking system right so you could be ready for something
0:45:54like that but what my pick here is saying is like the way that we do split view and
0:46:00all that slide over that's gonna stay the way that you do multitasking and there's not
0:46:05going to be any external display support but there are lots of things you could do a massive
0:46:09overhaul to the files app you could allow people to put files in their desktop you could
0:46:14I mean I'm all have to judge it right like for example if they ever if they finally introduce
0:46:19app repairs that could be a thing that you could do but it wouldn't be changing multitasking
0:46:24it's still you know if it's still you still open them the same you now just get basically
0:46:28a shortcut and you open them at the same time we'll see but well I think we'll know it like
0:46:33we said before we'll know when we see it yeah okay my last pick in this category I actually
0:46:39had at the very top of my list and I was gonna drop it here at the very end I thought it
0:46:42would have been a great section ender was support for separate apps running on an external
0:46:47display and the reason I was gonna pick it in that one in particular was I was imagining
0:46:52a scenario where I've been advocating for a rethinking of basically windowing on iPad
0:46:57OS and have Apple be like nah but you can stick an app in a floating box that's the
0:47:03shape of an iPad on an external display yep and it'd be like oh that's great but also
0:47:09kind of disappointing but since you picked that I'm not gonna go the other way because
0:47:16I feel like then I'm just sort of doubling down on one scenario and so instead I'm gonna
0:47:21go I'm gonna go boring again I'm Craig Fedorigi Myke come into my office hey you're in charge
0:47:27of mail dot app right oh this is what you're going with okay all right do something resembling
0:47:35anything look like there's the the hey thing from the guys who hate us there's there's
0:47:42like all these other apps out there that have tried to do interesting things with email
0:47:46and mail dot app hasn't changed since Steve Jobs used it change it add some more filtering
0:47:55add snoozing add ml-based prioritization on device make mail dot app better than it's
0:48:05been for a decade where it's been completely just sort of laying in the weeds and I will
0:48:11say if they did this then that would also be laying the groundwork for it to come to
0:48:14Mac OS at some point maybe not this year but that ultimately they would merge those code
0:48:18bases because mail dot app on Mac OS is like from next step it is ancient and so yeah anyway
0:48:27I'm gonna pick that I I feel like when we do these WWDC stories we don't ever spend
0:48:34enough time on Apple's core apps getting improvements yeah and they always do it's not always the
0:48:39same apps but they always get improvements and so this year I really like that we put
0:48:43in some apps were like this app gets better especially apps that really need to get better
0:48:48and mail like I I think Apple maybe fundamentally believes that email isn't a thing which is
0:48:53weird because they use email too and the fact is as much as we'd like email to go away it
0:48:58doesn't go away so let's I would love to see Apple actually have a take on intelligent
0:49:06email instead of doing what they do now which is really just kind of punting if you've seen
0:49:10a big mail I've seen the web page yeah it's one of those apps that's gonna that looks
0:49:16perfect and then you know you'll get it you realize oh no it's not it doesn't do all these
0:49:21things but it's it's a it's a new app that I think it launches this week maybe yeah it's
0:49:27perfect time for Apple to eat their lunch basically big mail to me looks like exactly
0:49:32what I want Apple to do with mail right like it's all of the stuff right it's like this
0:49:36looks like an app that Apple made visually because it's it's got the basic kind of UI
0:49:41conventions you would expect from a iPad or iPad OS or iOS app but all of the modern features
0:49:46right like fun ways to read newsletters and smart stuff and you know screening and it
0:49:53but it's all on device and everything it's really I'm intrigued to try out it doesn't
0:49:58seem like it will be the app for me because it's like one of the features that I come
0:50:01to rely on with email now is sharing and collaboration features which I use a spark so I can't imagine
0:50:07that I would switch to it but I'm really intrigued to check it out but yes this is kind of how
0:50:12I would expect it but I'm I'm still being reserved in my feelings on it because like
0:50:17you say these things come around and there's always problems and it's you know it's like
0:50:22oh yeah it does all this stuff except that one thing that you really desperately need
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0:52:24So we're going to do our mac os and mac hardware picks this is all one category the main reason
0:52:31why this is one category is we didn't have a ton of mac os relay picks so we just put
0:52:36them all together I am going to go with a dream pick for my first pick Jason all right
0:52:44dream on shortcuts for mac yay I want this so bad so so bad it has been in my time over
0:52:54the last year of basically becoming mostly mac focused again with working it's been the
0:53:00biggest thing that I've missed there are just things that I have to do like so many more
0:53:09hoops I have to jump through to get simple actions to be done which is kind of funny
0:53:13because this is the exact thing that mac users say about ipad os a lot of the time but when
0:53:18it comes to user automation I have learned how to use shortcuts that's what I have learned
0:53:24and whilst there is a lot more power available to use automation on the mac there is nothing
0:53:29as simple and intuitive in my opinion and I really desperately want to see apple create
0:53:36not just shortcuts for mac os but also let's take some of the power available to automation
0:53:43on the mac and put a new face on it and that face of shortcuts right so don't just make
0:53:47a simple version make a simple version that can also harness the amount of ability available
0:53:54to the mac yeah I wrote a piece about this a couple months ago and it just the more I
0:54:00use shortcuts and the more I then tried to move some of my shortcuts workflows into mac
0:54:05os and realizing what the limitations were and I thought well this is ridiculous why
0:54:10is it that user automation is actually easier on an ipad than it is on a mac that's that
0:54:14should not be the case but automator is really old and it never really became what it was
0:54:19supposed to be and shortcuts is a lot closer to being the dream of what automator was supposed
0:54:23to be and I can see this being a multi-stage process where they bring shortcuts to the
0:54:28mac and it has some limitations but they're trying to sort of bridge out you know to apple
0:54:33script and automator but they're also trying to build a future for user automation but
0:54:37yes I would be so happy because this would mean that apple is actually talking about
0:54:41user automation on mac os again which they haven't talked about really since since Saul
0:54:46who y'all know was on stage introducing automator and that was like what 15 16 years ago it
0:54:53was a long time ago now so I hope this happens too I think it makes sense I actually think
0:54:58it makes sense and it's not just wish casting I don't know when they'll do it but like they
0:55:03need a unified user automation story and clearly shortcuts is the story yep I'm going to take
0:55:09another pick that is basically bringing something on ios to the mac that has been we've been
0:55:15waiting for for a long time and it hasn't happened and developers have been really hoping
0:55:18for it and this is a developer conference and I'm just going to do it again been disappointed
0:55:22in the past but maybe this is the year test flight comes to the mac for people who don't
0:55:27know test flight it is a beta testing system where basically you can sign up for a beta
0:55:34on your ipad or your iphone and then the developer sends new builds and you update to the new
0:55:39builds and you can beta test and on the mac those developers have nothing and it's so
0:55:46bad really really really bad I have a developer who is who is sending me betas on mac os and
0:55:55it's a an email with a zip file and I had to send like my device id in order to be included
0:56:01in the builds and it is because it's a catalyst app and it's ridiculous so I don't know again
0:56:08I'm betting on something that apple should have done five years ago but I'm gonna say
0:56:12this is the year for test flight and it'll make developers happy yes like one of my very
0:56:17very favorite ios apps is timere which is the time tracking application and joe the
0:56:22developer of timere like he's talking about this he has been working on and he's getting
0:56:26ready to release very soon a mac version of the app and he has to see he's been we've
0:56:33been testing and every time he makes an update he has to email me a link to a dropbox folder
0:56:38where I can download a zip file to update it and then because I use like two macs I
0:56:44have to remember to also download it on my laptop right and it's just an absolute nightmare
0:56:51considering how simple it is like so like I also use timere on my iphone on my ipad right
0:56:57and on my ipad I have test flight set to automatically update so like I'll get an email from joe saying
0:57:04here's the new build for the mac and I was like oh look at that later on and then I'll
0:57:07pick up my ipad and it's like it's automatically installed via test flight it's like the difference
0:57:12is so massive between these things that I desperately want to have test flight for the
0:57:20mac as well and I'm sure so many developers would want it and again even if they start
0:57:25it small right like it's just catalyst to begin just start it because it this really
0:57:33is something that I believe apple even said was coming at one point and just never has
0:57:40and they really need to bring this yeah okay we're in agreement yeah we're we're uh if
0:57:46we ran the zoo this would happen but we don't so we just have to guess about what the zoo
0:57:50will do all right I'm gonna go I think this is somewhat risky but I feel confident okay
0:57:57mac brick pro 14 inch with apple silicon will be announced at wwdc hardware wow there are
0:58:05lots of conflicting rumors I think there was a report today even supply chain reports are
0:58:13saying q3 according to digitimes I mean that q3 is july right I think if this is a product
0:58:23that's even close to being ready you've got to announce it at wwdc like these are the
0:58:29people that want that machine yes so I desperately hope that we're gonna see it Myke q3 starts
0:58:36tomorrow right or no it starts in a month a month from tomorrow a month from tomorrow
0:58:41that's right seven so like you could announce something in a week and say it ships july
0:58:4610th and it's q3 yep like you and that makes perfect sense right so you announce it next
0:58:51week pre-orders in two weeks ships two weeks after like you know it's like you can make
0:58:56this work this is you know and I just think that this is a product so many people want
0:59:03this is the perfect audience for it and I know if they have them close enough to ready
0:59:08I'm sure like if they're ready they're gonna release them but they have them close to ready
0:59:10go for it because otherwise are they selling a lot of Intel 13-inch macbook pros really
0:59:16I don't think so because you know the other thing is like if we think you know we were
0:59:20talking about Mark Gurman's report last week otherwise you can have a lot of Macs getting
0:59:24started to get backed up right I've really really hope this would be such a great part
0:59:29of the presentation to really show off something bold and big and powerful and new yep I hope
0:59:36I hope we see it next week well with you having picked that I am going to pick something that's
0:59:41related but also I think maybe a little broader uh-huh which is new Apple silicon Mac chip
0:59:49yeah introduced mm-hmm here's my rationale there are two ways this could go there could
0:59:54be a new MacBook Pro announced with a variant of let's say the m1 that has more cores and
1:00:00this would count they could also say oh by the end of the year we're shipping a new Mac
1:00:06Pro and it's gonna have a zillion cores in it and that would count because that would
1:00:09be a new chip any pre-announcement of anything involving a new non m1 Mac chip would would
1:00:17cover me here so that's that's how I'm gonna do it that's how I'm gonna play it yeah I
1:00:21had this this was mine also my next pick Oh doubling down well I had to take it from you
1:00:25then and that that way we we keep pace with one another here because this is like you
1:00:30know they could do anything right I mean yeah I just think if they and they could they're
1:00:35right I mean there's any number of machines that might use this but I think you're you're
1:00:39right I'm a little concerned by the reports it's like oh it's q3 although like you know
1:00:44we eventually got after I'm divided 12 in half and got six and said oh well that's halfway
1:00:49through the year the beginning of June nope that's not how it works we we ultimately ended
1:00:54up at oh it's just a couple of weeks after where q3 ships q3 could happen and that Apple
1:01:00has not been afraid to pre-announce some of these products and say it ships in a month
1:01:04ships in three weeks you know take your pre-orders in two weeks and then it ships two weeks after
1:01:08that they totally could do that so I think that we are both on the same page about this
1:01:14being something that they could do and if they do it it's not gonna be the m1 right like
1:01:19you can't just keep putting m1s and things and calling them Pro there has to be another
1:01:22story here so if you think about something that's based on the a14 cores it's like an
1:01:26m1 but it's got more cores it's an m1x no matter what they call it it's basically you
1:01:31know what I mean when I say it's an m1x and that would be a thing that they could ship
1:01:35now because I don't think they're shipping something that's based on like whatever the
1:01:39a15 cores are because that's a thing that we don't even see that ship until the fall
1:01:43so I think it would just be the you know sort of six months later it's a little ish but
1:01:50you get me it's sort of like the half step of the m1 for my third pick I am going to
1:01:55say that at least one more Apple system app will be based on catalyst I put this in the
1:02:02document and I thought it wasn't a trap I think it's a good like I don't know what it
1:02:09is but they do seem to keep putting catalyst apps on the Mac right what do you think it'll
1:02:15be I have no idea but something that I redesign so like right you know they could they could
1:02:20do a new design for an application and say now it's based on catalyst and I think that
1:02:25there's something important for Apple to continue doing that and kind of putting their money
1:02:29where their mouth is and you know they did messages as catalyst which is the other one
1:02:36that they did it wasn't music was it was podcasting I can't be was the TV catalyst as well so
1:02:42yeah I just want to keep seeing them push this if they want developers to adopt it personally
1:02:49I want developers to adopt it and I want Apple to do more catalyst I think that the technology
1:02:54is good for users because it provides them with a great choice of applications and stuff
1:02:59and having used some of the iOS apps on a Mac they do the job but it's much better when
1:03:06a developer goes the extra mile to make it a catalyst app so it still has a lot of the
1:03:13same bones but now supports a bunch more stuff which feels right for the Mac so you know
1:03:19stuff like full Swift and Swift UI is I think is still many years away from being a true
1:03:25thing that people could take advantage of so in the meantime and maybe even past that
1:03:29catalyst should still be a technology that Apple continues to work on and one of the
1:03:34greatest ways for them to continue working on it is to continue to use it for important
1:03:38applications in the system yeah and I'm gonna be specific here and I updated our list to
1:03:43be at least one new or updated Apple system app based on catalyst the idea here is they
1:03:47could replace an existing app or they could add an app that was only on iOS or an app
1:03:52that's new across all platforms that's based on catalyst. Can you imagine mail? But it
1:03:59could also literally be hey we made this new app and now it's you know oh boy everybody
1:04:04clips is now available on that goes it could literally be anything I think the idea is
1:04:08it's a bundled in Apple app that they mention on stage that is that's sourced by catalyst
1:04:15so and in terms of like how do we know we'll know like it'll be obvious whether it's catalyst
1:04:20or not and we should be able to judge it based on that because sometimes people are like
1:04:24they didn't say it was catalyst on stage it's like yeah but if they announce it and then
1:04:28we find out that it's based on catalyst before we score it I'm I'm willing to use research
1:04:33to confirm that the thing we saw on stage was what we thought it was that's not the
1:04:38same as saying it didn't happen on stage so I'm okay with that. Sportsmanship. Last year
1:04:44Mac OS introduced control center you know we got we got a version of control center
1:04:49so I'm going to pick major improvements to control center I feel like control center
1:04:54is a lot of work that still could be done I'd love to see third-party stuff appear in
1:04:58control center and have a third-party API for control center but failing that I would
1:05:02like to see a lot more in control center I think control center on the Mac is actually
1:05:06a pretty good idea and that migrating a bunch of stuff that used to hang out in the menu
1:05:10bar into control center is a good idea again I'm not going to tell Apple what to do here
1:05:15but I just feel like control center is also a 1.0 and there's work to be done to make
1:05:21it better and to perhaps integrate third parties a little bit so I'm going to put a chip down
1:05:27on on control center being better. It's a good start like I like that I can pull things
1:05:32out of the control center and put them in the menu bar I think that's really cool why
1:05:36can't I go the other way though as well you know yeah well this doesn't happen a lot but
1:05:41during the beta process last summer control center got way better like control center
1:05:45the first beta was not a beta it was like an alpha it was missing all these features
1:05:49and and I wrote a whole section in my like public data first look about how control center
1:05:53didn't do all these things and when it came time to look at the final beta and you know
1:05:58the release candidate I was like oh look at that they they've addressed so many of the
1:06:02issues that control center had early on so I've actually I was actually impressed with
1:06:07the pace of their changes and so I'm also sort of keeping that in the back of my mind
1:06:11that whoever was working on control center did a lot of good work over last summer to
1:06:16move it forward and I hope that they've been working in the background to keep moving moving
1:06:20it forward for for this year so we'll see.
1:06:23Okay this is our final pick in the Mac at Mac OS round and I'm back in this point again
1:06:29where I'm really stuck about where I want to go.
1:06:32There's a couple very mic categories out there that are sitting there.
1:06:38Yeah what I'll say is we have maybe I think in upgrade plus today we'll talk about maybe
1:06:46some stuff that didn't make our lists.
1:06:48Sure.
1:06:49We have some software picks but I don't think this is going to be a year for a lot of software
1:06:54stuff for the Mac just in general I don't really imagine a lot of the stuff changing
1:07:00for the system itself I think I'm going to go bold again.
1:07:04Okay.
1:07:06Because there has been precedent for this and I think it would make sense to do it but
1:07:11it would be very bold but there is precedent.
1:07:15New Mac Pro preannounced.
1:07:18Oh okay.
1:07:20So they've done this twice they did it with the iMac Pro and they did it with the Mac
1:07:25Pro at WWDC preannounced this high end computer that will come at the end of the year.
1:07:32You can look at it but you can't touch it.
1:07:35And I personally believe that this is going to be a 2021 product you know maybe they sneak
1:07:41it in right at the end of the year but I think it's going to happen and again just like the
1:07:4914 inch MacBook Pro this is the audience to do it because I mean these people buy them
1:07:54but these people also care the most right and the Mac Pro unlike any other computer
1:08:00that Apple sells is a product that Moore's law does not apply to at all they've proven
1:08:06it because they keep these things on sale like they when they showed off the new one
1:08:11the trash can Mac Pro a product that Apple had on the record said was flawed in multiple
1:08:16ways was still available for purchase for a long time up until they released they knew
1:08:23everybody loves Mac Pro the return of the cheese grater Mac Pro so if they have one
1:08:28in the chamber which it seems like they do if that's likely to come this year which I
1:08:33think there is a possibility of now would be the perfect time especially even if they
1:08:38did if they unveiled the MacBook Pro the new one and they're like this is so great it's
1:08:43so powerful look how amazing this is we also have something that's so much more you know
1:08:48just a little teaser like they've done before I would love you'd love to see it Jason that's
1:08:54a big pick and I'm a little flummoxed because it was not what I was expecting and now I
1:09:00have a really hard decision to make because I have a whole bunch of things that are kind
1:09:03of interesting to me but they're all a little bit risky but with your risky pick there I
1:09:10feel a little bit emboldened to pick something so I'm gonna do you know that thing Myke where
1:09:16I said sometimes you pick things over and over again just hoping them hoping to will
1:09:21them into existence and it's like Lucy pulling the football away from Charlie Brown right
1:09:25it doesn't actually ever happen well you just said Apple was going to release a new Apple
1:09:30silicon MacBook Pro for the developer conference because these are developers they're the they're
1:09:35one of the biggest audiences for Pro Max I'm gonna I'm gonna lean into that and say you
1:09:39know what would pair really well with that an external display okay I think this might
1:09:47be a bit category although depending on how it goes it could be in the iPad category to
1:09:51but I'm gonna mention it here new Apple external display announced not picking the size not
1:09:57picking the price just saying something that isn't the pro display XTR available and would
1:10:03pair nicely with a MacBook Pro and I think it would be kind of interesting because it
1:10:08would pair with a MacBook Pro obviously of a Mac Pro and if they do actually and hopefully
1:10:13do something to the iPad there's a big story throughout the whole keynote for why this
1:10:18product would exist and maybe they needed the iMac to come out first before they could
1:10:23do this we'll see I mean my only pause on the external display is I would have assumed
1:10:33some kind of rumor to suggest it yep but who knows yeah who knows there have been rumors
1:10:40about Apple working on an external display though but it's just been a while since we've
1:10:44heard them but they could be there and again this is a thing where it might be hard to
1:10:48know because it's a different kind of aspect of the supply chain and where they sourcing
1:10:53their panels and are those panels for I'm that we've thought were for IMAX but they're
1:10:57also for an external display we don't know but it's possible that it's it's sneaked by
1:11:02and again I want to believe and and we'll see like for your I wanted to mention your
1:11:09Mac Pro choice the reason I had that low on my list it is a thing that I could totally
1:11:14see them doing I'm gonna bet that they do it next year that it'll be like two years
1:11:21ago we stood up here and said we were making a two-year transition to Apple silicon and
1:11:27it's missing and here's the Mac Pro and then everybody goes wild maybe even in person imagine
1:11:33that so we'll we'll we'll see but I think they could do it because you know again what's
1:11:38gonna stop them from from doing that but that's why I think that they're gonna they're gonna
1:11:43over deliver on the two year we're gonna get the both of our picks here wrong and that's
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1:13:04the support of this show and relay fm so we're gonna label now everything else so everything
1:13:10else anything any category any hardware any other operating system is in our everything
1:13:17else round i'm gonna pick something i think i picked last year classic and i think that
1:13:25i was surprised they didn't do it last year uh and so this may have not been a wwc pick
1:13:31but a september pick so focus on mental health features for watch os i just think that this
1:13:37is the next area of health that apple should be going after here they have the breathe
1:13:43app but i don't think that's enough and with potential like they have an upcoming feature
1:13:48of um background sounds we spoke about in the accessibility section uh stuff like i
1:13:54think it was last week and i can imagine stuff like apple adding background noises as maybe
1:13:59a guided meditation type application or something like that um i think that mental health features
1:14:05and helping people relax helping stress related stuff things like that uh i think that they
1:14:10would be a a really sweet addition to the overall health suite of watch os okay makes
1:14:17sense it makes sense i i struggled to think of what would be in watch os so it's nice
1:14:21that you got a watch os pick in there and yeah i agree this is something that they could
1:14:25they could focus on and it sounds very much i can imagine that being a thing that they
1:14:29mentioned on stage for sure yeah watch os is hard to make picks for i think i don't
1:14:36know if it's maybe particularly hard for me because i don't wear a watch very often and
1:14:40apple watch it very often but i think some of the things that i would want to pick for
1:14:45watch os are things they're just not going to do maybe we'll get we'll touch on these
1:14:51but it's just stuff like at this point i just don't believe that they're any any closer
1:14:55to doing it but we'll find out oh i am gonna pick so this is uh i'm gonna explain myself
1:15:02here as a part of this because i'm not sure it's exactly what exactly what was in our
1:15:07our document but i just want to explain what it means because there's a parentheses and
1:15:11it's very confusing um a home segment is my pick a home segment yep now my rationale here
1:15:19is matter has been announced which is formerly chip it's the home alliance we also have seen
1:15:25thread radios appear in various apple products i'm not saying apple's going to unveil its
1:15:31entire home strategy here but i feel like we may i'm going to pick here that we're going
1:15:37to have them talk about smart home technology perhaps we will see that uh demo home that
1:15:45they used in videos last year to talk about what apple views as the stuff that it's doing
1:15:53in the home so i'm not sure what form this takes but i wanna i basically i'm saying they're
1:15:58going to talk about and perhaps even show a home environment and apple's take on the
1:16:04smart home now that seems really broad but i will say it's also something that's really
1:16:08easy for apple to not do or to talk about in the fall but i'm gonna throw it out here
1:16:14as a possibility i had this pretty high on my list i would have picked it if you wouldn't
1:16:17have um i think the way that we can kind of say is look if they just said like hey here's
1:16:22our new version of the home app that's not it it needs to be like as part of the keynote
1:16:27where they are talking about various more than one things that are related to home and
1:16:34even if they just say hey for developers you're now having access to uh you know the home
1:16:38the homekit server is in all these different devices and you have access to thread radios
1:16:41which means you can do it doesn't have to be a lot but it needs to be more than just
1:16:45the home app improved it needs to be something more sort of strategic either about adding
1:16:49apple products to the home or about how homekit works or how the thread radios enable more
1:16:56connectivity to other devices or that or they mention matter and talk about the matter strategy
1:17:02like it could be lots of different things but it's not just we updated the home app
1:17:05that's not a home segment that's just an app update i'm going to go with it's getting hard
1:17:12now there's a reason that this is the everything else category yeah one that i'm looking at
1:17:17maybe maybe i'll come back to it my concern is that it might be too focused for the state
1:17:24of the union than the wwdc presentation yeah there's they do a much more technical presentation
1:17:31that happens in the afternoon pacific time that often has big announcements in it that
1:17:36are technical that are very focused on developers because they know that the morning is viewed
1:17:40by developers and it's a more technical thing but it's also viewed by the general public
1:17:44at a level that the afternoon session is not so some technical announcements that we could
1:17:49pick might actually happen in the state of the union which doesn't count for us then
1:17:53i'm going to go with something that may be a little premature but i think something people
1:17:57will be watching out for a new wireless audio streaming protocol for air pods all right
1:18:03you know i think this will probably be something along the lines of like an airplay 3 or something
1:18:08like that yeah but it could also just be we invented or did you know there's this obscure
1:18:13footnote in the bluetooth spec that allows this thing well we're we're putting it in
1:18:17and that means you can stream apple lossless to all of our wireless or whatever like something
1:18:21like that where they say we're doing something new in order to enable new features in air
1:18:26pods that's what i mean like this isn't the pick specifically but obviously what we're
1:18:31hinting at is they do something that enables some form of lossless support for their existing
1:18:38products yeah i think that makes sense it's not a big meaty one no no but but it's it's
1:18:45hanging out there and there's a real you know will they do that or not i think there's been
1:18:49some strong suggestions that they have a uh another shoe to drop about this but they're
1:18:55holding it and so perhaps this is when they would announce such a thing i don't know why
1:18:59they wouldn't announce it in advance but they haven't they could have said we plan to release
1:19:04support for new apple lossless streaming later this year they could have just said that and
1:19:10they chose not to which i think is a little weird but maybe they will say it now well
1:19:15i'm going to throw caution to the wind in terms of what i just said about the mac OS
1:19:20state of the union and say that there will be some improvements to swift ui that will
1:19:25be mentioned on stage that swift ui is going to come up and have it be what the pick is
1:19:29is significant improvements to swift ui really though what i'm looking at is they got to
1:19:34talk about swift ui getting better in some way they can't just say hey whether you're
1:19:38using swift ui it's not swift ui mentioned but in terms of significant i mean it's really
1:19:43significant enough to mention in the keynote that it improved would be this was this was
1:19:48the thing uh-huh you know i'll tell you what gave me pause for this uh maybe two years
1:19:54ago significant improvements to catalyst and apple said hey here's swift ui remember oh
1:20:01no oh no what if they're like oh hey we did swift ui and that was great but now we've
1:20:05got swifter ux so this is the thing where i can imagine that they could do a bunch of
1:20:11stuff but it might not be they might not talk about facing because it's not because it's
1:20:16not new yeah my hope my hope is that there's something in there that makes them especially
1:20:21since they're throwing a bone to the developers and the developer conference it's like you
1:20:24won't believe what you could do with swift ui now you can build all of these mac apps
1:20:28or you can build a custom watch face or you can whatever it is this could go very nicely
1:20:32with widgets it could interactivity and widgets being a new thing that you can do because
1:20:38of these new additions in swift ui swift ui i just i i'm i'm putting down a marker here
1:20:44for apple crowing about how swift ui has gotten even better right just as a thing which they
1:20:50may not do because you mentioned catalyst like wow everybody was pumped for catalyst in the
1:20:54next year like we're not mentioning catalyst so but i'm gonna put it down and say they're
1:21:00they're gonna pump up because i think unlike catalyst which is a transitional technology
1:21:03swift ui apple thinks is the future and so they're gonna pump it some more it's like
1:21:07i think all they did that year was just say they gave the new name like this is a part
1:21:13of mac os it's called mac catalyst that was basically all they did it was super weird
1:21:16yeah podcast subscriptions get a plug is my third pick that was next on my list i think
1:21:23this is gonna be a big thing by any stretch you know people may not be aware of this or
1:21:28such but this was rolled out as part of 14.6 but has been delayed it was but they were
1:21:34supposed to be available now and i think it's been delayed to later in june i think this
1:21:39is partly because the rollout of the new podcast app has been a bit of a disaster kind of user
1:21:45facing and publisher facing it's just been a nightmare across the board it's like you
1:21:50know for example if you're seeing that our shows if you're an apple podcast user are
1:21:54taking a while to update this is a part of the new part of issues in the new apple podcasts
1:22:00so i think maybe apple's kind of waiting to get its kind of ducks in a row a little bit
1:22:04more before pushing out the people to get it but i could imagine them putting something
1:22:12into apple podcast some new feature or something that also touches on apple podcasts and then
1:22:17they say you know and you can use this for our wonderful new podcast subscriptions feature
1:22:23which is you know like i can imagine them just sliding that plug in purely because this
1:22:29is a new initiative that has yet to even launch so i could imagine them maybe just giving
1:22:34it another little kick before it gets out of the door yep makes sense i i think i put
1:22:39that in our list you definitely a possibility and i had it next on my list so i'm gonna
1:22:43go with watch os pick because i feel like i need to make one i struggled here but i'm
1:22:47gonna say more data on always on watch faces like more watch face data will be displayed
1:22:52and they'll say something about how look at look at this all we've improved the always
1:22:57on watch face even more and it lets you show other stuff i'm not sure what the stuff is
1:23:01and i know that they won't go into great detail of like well what we've done is we changed
1:23:04the timing of the screensaver and when it comes up i'm just gonna say like really this
1:23:09is always always on watch faces get better is really what i mean here yeah okay in fact
1:23:16let's just say that always on watch faces get better yeah that's probably a better a
1:23:20better pick yeah but that's because that's what i'm going for is that what what is there
1:23:25left to announce for watch os well that that is an idea i have which is they did the always
1:23:29on watch face and then they they did it a little bit brighter but like i would like
1:23:34them to be like well now we've come so far that we can really do better stuff in terms
1:23:38of what gets displayed and what apps can show maybe there's a an explicit sort of way that
1:23:44an app can third-party app can register and say i want to hold on to the watch face when
1:23:50i'm running and the and the face dims which it can't do now like there it goes to a screensaver
1:23:56which is really dumb so i'll throw it out there why not even if like as a developer
1:24:01you could provide a separate version of your of a ui in your application as a dark mode
1:24:06you are like a always on ui sure like yes it's more work but something would be fantastic
1:24:14yeah because i get frustrated and i use my apple watch all the time i get frustrated
1:24:18by as great as the always on watch face is there are a lot of times where it goes into
1:24:22dim mode and the thing that i want to see on it isn't there anymore and i know that
1:24:26atp talked about this the one that really gets me like i use it as a stopwatch i use
1:24:30it as a timer and that screensaver kicks in and it obscures the information that's there
1:24:37it's like why would you stop showing the stopwatch because i haven't touched the screen for 10
1:24:42seconds and then to get off you can't just like tap and stop the stopwatch you have to
1:24:46like um you know bring it up and then open it up and it's ridiculous right you should
1:24:50be able to say oh the stopwatch will not show you hundreds of a second anymore but will
1:24:55still update every second or where the timer will show you an update every five seconds
1:24:59or three seconds or one second and none of that is there now so that's what i'm talking
1:25:03about about just having the always on watch display it's not even faces right it's the
1:25:09watch display get better final pick of the draft swinging for the fences in this one
1:25:15yeah well i've run out of things too so let's get wacky tv app redesign huh let's give it
1:25:21another go why not right we just keep trying the future of uh television is redesigned
1:25:29just keep giving it a go uh i don't i couldn't really tell you what you would do i think
1:25:35the tv app continues to suffer from information being laid out and navigated in weird ways
1:25:44what i really want to see apple do is crack some kind of system where they can bring in
1:25:50all the content like do whatever it is you need to do to get netflix in there right basically
1:25:58i want apple to do what they have to do this isn't what i'm picking this is what i wish
1:26:04they would do that i could actually set the tv button on my remote to open the tv app
1:26:10not go to the home screen by default it goes you know when you press that tv button it
1:26:16opens the tv app because in theory all of your content should be there but it isn't
1:26:20and that's what i want i want them to work out some way to make that work and that's
1:26:24more than software that's deals as well and i believe google has gotten close with this
1:26:30so i think google tv i think is what it's called now i think they even show some netflix
1:26:33stuff in there so i don't know how they're doing it but that's what i want to see apple
1:26:38do that's my final pick it's not a big one it's it kind of sucks as a final pick i apologize
1:26:43because it kind of i don't even really know what this would look like but uh i think that
1:26:48they have yet to nail this design whatever this design would be for the tv app because
1:26:56i think it continues to be designed on a designed with different varying strategies in mind
1:27:04that haven't come to pass yet and so maybe they need to give it another go okay that's
1:27:09reasonable i put a lot of very strange things in here you know i'm tempted to pick because
1:27:15they're hilarious but i am going to the question is how boring do i want to get i have no good
1:27:22choices now i i literally i have no good choices yep i oh boy maybe we haven't been very imaginative
1:27:29when it comes to watch os and tv os this year but i i just i am struggling to think of realistic
1:27:36things that they would introduce like i just listened today um on app stories john and
1:27:42federico have been doing like their wish list episodes and they were talking about they
1:27:46had um alex who's uh who works at max stories on the episode today because he does their
1:27:51watch os reviews every year and he was talking about wild incredible stuff right like that
1:27:57you know you would swipe him from the left to bring in an app that you choose and you
1:28:01apple could put like like what uh watchmouth does and you know you could have different
1:28:06complications appearing at different times but i just don't think they're going to do
1:28:08any of that yeah that that's that's the challenge is not coming up with ideas of things you'd
1:28:13like to see but things that you think are there's actually a likelihood because if you
1:28:16can invent a hundred different features for watch os well the problem is that each one
1:28:19of them maybe has one percent chance of coming true because you don't know where apple's
1:28:24going to go next so you just you try to have something broad i am going to then go with
1:28:28another constant thing that everybody predicts that it is going to happen and this is sort
1:28:32of tied to maybe my swift ui pick as well which is why not third-party apple watch faces
1:28:38at long last the developers will be able to build watch faces they'll have to be approved
1:28:43by apple they'll use swift ui and they're going to open up the let's just i don't believe
1:28:48this but they're going to open up the doors they're going to be like finally we've been
1:28:52doing this for seven years finally we're going to let you develop watch faces but we have
1:28:58to approve everything and you know etc etc etc but we're finally going to be able to
1:29:02do it i'm sure there will be it won't happen but if it does happen there'll be lots of
1:29:05footnotes and and lots of asterisks but that would be an exciting addition to watch os
1:29:11for us to add a huge risk vector of copyright infringement come and get it well honestly
1:29:17i think the existence of the app store is a huge risk vector of infringement and if
1:29:21they say we have to approve everything as with all other apps and if anybody files a
1:29:27claim the the watch face just gets zapped right like you that this is the business apples
1:29:33in right like ultimately if apple didn't want to deal with that kind of thing they wouldn't
1:29:38have an app store right they they have imposed this on themselves because the benefit is
1:29:44worth it and i know that they were particular like they they made a point of this with the
1:29:49stickers right because they knew that was going to be a thing oh yeah i i think that
1:29:53um and they did make right stickers is a great example i would imagine that if they're going
1:29:58to do this whoever is in charge of approving watch faces will be well versed in the intellectual
1:30:04property of watch faces right it also wouldn't put i wouldn't put it past apple to say we
1:30:11have some guidelines about which watch face types are available to you because these are
1:30:16the ones that have cleared right right and and and you know you don't do these but do
1:30:23use these as the basis for that but be able to customize it in some way right maybe it's
1:30:27even like you're really kind of remixing a complicated set of apple watch faces but able
1:30:33to do it in a way that is not watch face sharing right it's it's it's more technical than that
1:30:38a really easy way for them to get around it which i think will kind of suck is just you
1:30:43can't make an analog watch face that would remove so much of the risk it would it would
1:30:49be a lot less exciting that way because that's sort of what we want to see but anyway it's
1:30:53just various like you know you can make as many watch face types as you like as long
1:30:58as they have a digital readout right they don't have hands could be but i like i said
1:31:02i i'm only picking this because it's literally the last pick in the draft and i got nothing
1:31:06that i like better but i'll uh i'll take a flyer on apple watch faces it's gotta happen
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