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0:00:08From relay FM, this is Upgrade episode 316. Today's show is brought to you by
0:00:15Mint Mobile, Hover, and Matthias. My name is Myke Hurley
0:00:18and I am joined by Jason Snow. Hello, Jason Snow.
0:00:22Hello, Myke Hurley! We're back! It's a day after episode 315. It's our new daily
0:00:28podcast. Welcome to Upgrade Daily. This is, uh, what would this be like?
0:00:32Upgrade Pro Max, I guess. I have a #snowtalk question and it
0:00:37comes from Josh and Josh wants to know, quite simply, Jason,
0:00:40did you enjoy today's Apple event? I loved it. You know,
0:00:43the number one reason why is it only took an hour.
0:00:47Fantastic! It was a short one. I actually am a proponent. I know it's more work for
0:00:51everyone else but I would much rather Apple hold an event
0:00:55every month or two and roll out a product or two
0:00:58than have them hold a bunch of products and then just, you know,
0:01:02give us a barrage of products over two hours,
0:01:05you know, and then go away for six months. You say it'd be more work.
0:01:09I actually think over time it wouldn't be more work because we'd get used to it
0:01:13and it'd be less of a quote-unquote event.
0:01:16I think there's a cost that Apple has in building it and that we have in covering
0:01:21it but I'm thinking of Apple. I do think it's more work to do two
0:01:24product launches than one because you have to
0:01:26contact all your, you know, press people and brief them and all of that
0:01:30and set it up not just once but then set it up again. Like, I think there's more
0:01:34work involved in doing two than in doing one
0:01:37but I think it's better for us, certainly, to have more to talk about
0:01:41spread out and I liked how it was snappy. It was an hour. We were
0:01:45out of there. I mean, we weren't in there to begin with because it's all
0:01:48virtual but you know what I mean. Yeah, I mean, usually there could be a
0:01:52wonder like, "Will the episode go longer than the keynote or not?"
0:01:54Who knows? This one most definitely yes. If you would like to send in a question
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0:02:08Jason, I would like to spend a moment talking about our wonderful friends over
0:02:12at St Jude. Throughout September we are raising
0:02:15money for St Jude Children's Research Hospital.
0:02:18Did you know that in the US more than four out of five children with cancer
0:02:22survive? But in many developing countries more
0:02:25than four out of five of these children will die.
0:02:27The St Jude International Outreach Program is a global initiative for St
0:02:32Jude to develop one-on-one relationships with
0:02:3424 hospitals in 17 countries in low and middle income areas like
0:02:39Mexico, Haiti and the Philippines. St Jude is
0:02:42leading the way that the world understands, treats and defeats childhood
0:02:46cancer and other life-threatening diseases
0:02:49and St Jude will not stop until no child dies from cancer
0:02:52and we will be alongside with them continuing to raise money
0:02:56like the rest of our wonderful community has been doing. Donate today at
0:02:59stjude.org/relay. You can support St Jude kids from
0:03:03around the world during childhood cancer awareness month.
0:03:06Once again that is stjude.org/relay. A couple of big notes on this right?
0:03:13We mentioned yesterday that we'd passed the half a million dollars total raised
0:03:18over the last two years. Well now for this year's campaign for
0:03:21the 2020 campaign we have as of today passed over two
0:03:26hundred thousand dollars raised which is absolutely unbelievable
0:03:33and we're going to top it all off this week with podcastathon
0:03:372 to 8 pm eastern time, Friday the 18th of September, twitch.tv/relayfm
0:03:46It is going to be a six hour charity event benefit in St Jude. We'll be
0:03:52doing everything on video. We've got a bunch of fantastic segments planned,
0:03:56a wonderful set of relay FM guests, so from hosts and guests we have
0:04:02excellent interviews with people that are involved with St Jude, people that
0:04:08work at St Jude. We've got so much stuff
0:04:11planned. This is going to be bigger and better in every way from last year.
0:04:16And Jason I am very excited to have built the balloon room.
0:04:21I have erected a gazebo inside of mega studio
0:04:25that I will be filling with balloons. I'll put a link in the show notes
0:04:28to a video I made today where I put the first 100 balloons in the balloon room
0:04:33throughout the evening for every... we need to decide the exact amount
0:04:39so amount TBD but basically we will be setting a donation amount that every time
0:04:44someone donates x amount of dollars another balloon will go in the balloon room
0:04:47with the hope of filling the balloon room,
0:04:50the goal of filling the balloon room throughout the evening and I will be
0:04:55broadcasting live from inside of the balloon room.
0:04:59So that is just my one of the little hijinks.
0:05:04Steven's been building something. Oh man, Steven has been working hard on
0:05:08something that we cannot reveal. That will be amazing. So for basically it
0:05:13will be the Steven's version of what I'm doing but
0:05:16obviously in a very Steven way. So you can tune in for those and we're
0:05:21going to be doing challenges. We're going to be doing so much stuff.
0:05:26Jason has been putting together an absolutely epic game show featuring a
0:05:30bunch of relay FM hosts. I think there's nine total
0:05:34relay FM hosts in that set of segments that I did.
0:05:37We finished recording yesterday so that
0:05:41there'll be some game show shenanigans happening. So don't forget
0:05:452 to 8 pm eastern time in the show note the tweet that I've linked of mine has
0:05:49the times in a bunch of different time zones.
0:05:51I guess considering I'm only going to mention it for the last time here now on
0:05:55this show I'll say it now 11 to 5 am to 5 pm pacific
0:05:591 pm to 7 pm central 2 to 8 pm eastern those are us times
0:06:047 pm to 1 am in the uk and 8 pm to 2 am in I think it's central europe is the
0:06:10time zone. So it's given you a much better set I
0:06:13think of time zones twitch.tv/relayfm tune in for all of it
0:06:18tune in for some of it and bring your wallets to donate
0:06:21so yeah we're really I'm so excited for friday um I am
0:06:28very concerned about the amount of work to do between now and then but it's going
0:06:31to get done and I'm very excited so
0:06:35thank you.org/relay
0:06:39Okay before we get into talking about the Apple watch and iPad
0:06:42updates that we got today I guess we I suppose we have to score the draft
0:06:49Jason I was so frustrated at this one. This was this was a real roller coaster
0:06:54yeah yeah yeah as as in one hour we we took a ride
0:06:58with the uh with our draft picks from yesterday. Also I think it feels
0:07:02different having only made the picks a day ago to
0:07:05watch them go up and up in flames than it does if you've got a week to sit
0:07:09on them or forget them. Usually like the day of the draft a day of the
0:07:13event I'll go through the draft document again and score it
0:07:16based on how I think it's actually going to go. I looked at it today and was like
0:07:20I can't score it any differently to yesterday in my mind
0:07:23um basically this was a tie and Jason won by the tiebreaker
0:07:28I would to lose on the tiebreaker ah the worst. Yeah six six six tie well
0:07:35and I mean it could have been worse Myke it could
0:07:37have been an an 89 minute long event. That's true.
0:07:42The tiebreaker was will it be over under 90 minutes and it was 60 minutes
0:07:46so at least it wasn't close on the tiebreaker
0:07:49um but the rest of it's I we had scored six six do we need to we should we should
0:07:53go through it really quickly just to satisfy everybody. So you had
0:07:57a low priced Apple oh no sorry you didn't get the low
0:08:01priced Apple watch replacement. That was when you didn't get it. We need to mention this.
0:08:04Yeah so I I they announced the new Apple watch SE
0:08:08and I flipped it over to blue and I was like I got it and then
0:08:11they said oh and by the way the series 3 is still there
0:08:14and the way I picked it and I shouldn't have phrased it this way was
0:08:18low priced Apple watch replaces series 3. Yeah should have just said
0:08:23introduced said replaces series 3 and so that went from blue to red in the in the
0:08:28scoreboard and that point came off the board which was brutal but I did get
0:08:31low cost watch omitting always on display. Now there's a little bit of a
0:08:35debate about this. There is. We could have phrased it better I
0:08:38think but it was considered valid so if it if you couldn't ever possibly
0:08:42prove a negative we probably shouldn't have phrased it this way but
0:08:45the idea is that the low cost watch they did not announce an always on display
0:08:49because it doesn't have one and that was what I was getting at. Yep
0:08:53this was a bit not good from Apple though right because like the reason
0:08:56that there was question is like oh it's the same display as the series 6
0:09:00like it's not is it and also they they kept talking about the always on
0:09:04altimeter. Yeah it's like that's not that's not the right thing and I guess
0:09:09I guess the argument that that Apple would probably make and I you know it's
0:09:13fine this is it but it's not in the spirit the way people think about it it's
0:09:16actually the processor that allows for the yeah but anyway it doesn't have an
0:09:20always on display so so so it does that that is a thing that they left off of
0:09:25that new Apple watch SE and and the one that honestly I took a shot in the dark
0:09:31in and I was choosing between a bunch of things that didn't happen and this one
0:09:35and I picked this one which was new watch body color and yeah there's a blue
0:09:41aluminum and there are a bunch of them and there are a bunch of colors there's a
0:09:45product red yeah so I got I got that one. Now you also got all of your iPad picks
0:09:51so edge to edge screen second gen Apple pencil and surprisingly I think Magic
0:09:56keyboard but we'll come to all of that in a little bit and you also got iOS or
0:10:00iPad OS 14 release date announced. It's tomorrow! It's tomorrow again we're gonna get to that
0:10:05in detail later on. I thought that we were just gonna give those to ourselves
0:10:09because they're like oh it come you know like ships next week but like no the
0:10:13literally at the end they were like no we're gonna spend time talking about
0:10:16that so yeah I got watch gets a new health focus sensor and Apple watch model
0:10:23gets extended battery life I cannot believe I didn't get the hand washing
0:10:26one Jason that felt like a lock to me but nevertheless new non pro iPad gets
0:10:31flat edge design and touch ID and also I got the Apple fitness workout service
0:10:38introduced and watch OS 7 release date announced. Yeah I know I think you did
0:10:45that wrong there I you didn't get extended battery life and you did get
0:10:49the service. My apologies my apologies I marked that incorrectly yeah yeah so I
0:10:52got the didn't get the extended battery life I got the the flat edge design
0:10:56touch ID sensor fitness service watch OS 7 services bundle they were my six. So so
0:11:02just to be clear here I beat you on Apple watch two to one I beat you on
0:11:06iPad picks three to two but on our our needs a new name free picking round you
0:11:11you cleaned up in the free picking area three to one but that left it six to six
0:11:16which left the tiebreaker to over or under 90 minutes runtime which both of
0:11:19us thought was a perfectly fair yep way to divide it and it was 60 minutes 60
0:11:25minutes and out so I will take this on penalty kicks another draft one and I
0:11:32continue my streak of never winning in September maybe there'll be a second
0:11:41September probably not well you never know probably not I'm still gonna try and
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0:13:49out at the start that there were two product lines to talk about today Apple
0:13:53watch and the iPad so whilst not saying we're not gonna talk about the iPhone
0:13:59they at least made it clear at the beginning so you mentioned we kind of
0:14:04touched on it already we've got new colors so we have a blue and a gold and
0:14:09that gives a yellow gold so like you'd see they've actually brought back
0:14:13something that's more looks a little bit more like the addition it's a yellow
0:14:18gold stainless steel option and a new dark gray called graphite stainless
0:14:23because I guess we need another different dark color name in Apple
0:14:27products and also the first product red Apple watch they are losing the ceramic
0:14:34edition and keeping titanium hmm big big news for titanium fans out there I'm
0:14:41just so happy big news for me seems to be embracing the anodized colored
0:14:45aluminum thing again like they you know they go back and forth on whether they
0:14:50want to have colored products or whether they want them all to just be various
0:14:53metallic grays and that that red is gonna work for some people for me I
0:14:58looked at the blue one I was like oh god that blue one is gorgeous I love it love
0:15:02it yeah I'm disappointed about this I really love the ceramic Apple watch I
0:15:08have the ceramic series 5 and it's a shame like I love the all-white and it's
0:15:14a shame for me to lose that one I mean maybe I'll just say it right now it's
0:15:18like I don't think I want this Apple watch yeah so I'm not too fussed and like
0:15:23maybe I'll get what I want for the series 7 and they'll bring the ceramic
0:15:26back again who knows but I do agree with the churn of materials and colors I
0:15:36think Apple should be doing this they should be putting new colors into the
0:15:41line even if so you end up catching people who think they might otherwise
0:15:45want their watch for another two years you know maybe people that have the
0:15:48series 4 like I don't know and then this is a blue one then like oh I would love
0:15:53a blue watch and then they go over you know the major new feature it's a health
0:15:59feature is the blood oxygen sensor this is something that we were talking about
0:16:04yesterday so basically this is a sensor that reads periodically your blood
0:16:11oxygen level or takes 15 seconds to do a reading and I watched the keynote I've
0:16:17read the website and basically what I can see is it's about understanding the
0:16:22oxygen levels in your blood but honestly having consumed a video what I read the
0:16:30website I don't know why I want this so it is so this is it is actually a
0:16:40medical thing and they have you check your your blood oxygen and if there's a
0:16:44little device that if you're over the hospital they just clip this thing on
0:16:48your finger but you can even buy them in there a little battery-operated things
0:16:51and you clip them on a finger and they give you the percentage of oxygenation
0:16:55in your blood and it is actually a case where in kovat 19 what they were finding
0:17:01especially in the early days was that there were people who didn't who didn't
0:17:05understand that they were compromised in terms of their lungs and they were by
0:17:10the time they got to the hospital their oxygenation was really low and this is
0:17:14an example where if you had one of these devices on you can actually check here
0:17:18and I'm sure there are some people who've got various things like asthma
0:17:23other conditions involving bringing an oxygen into your body where you need to
0:17:28check and see that your oxygen level is at a you know above a certain threshold
0:17:32so and then this will also apparently warn you've your various although that's
0:17:38a different feature that's your your oxygen uptake for workouts so you know
0:17:42it is actually a really relevant thing well there is the later this year they
0:17:47said they would be able to give you notifications like they do with the the
0:17:52heart monitoring stuff I actually think that maybe Apple didn't get the approval
0:17:57they needed in time because they really didn't talk in my opinion very much
0:18:02about the health benefits of this in the same way that they did with the ECG I
0:18:08feel like the ECG presentation was much more impactful than the blood oxygen
0:18:14sensor because you've done a better job of explaining to me why I would want
0:18:19this sensor then I think the presentation did and yet they said that
0:18:23they are doing like an asthma study with UC Irvine and so they are working on
0:18:29some of this stuff those studies don't mean anything to me right they're like I
0:18:33can't I can't use them and it doesn't tell me why it's helpful to me you know
0:18:37so I think they I think this is one of those examples where they did an hour
0:18:42long presentation and they and they were a little more ruthless and in going into
0:18:45the details of it but you're right there's possibly a regulatory thing to
0:18:48do although I think if it's in the product they've had to go through
0:18:51regulatory stuff about it I think it's interesting that it doesn't do it the
0:18:55other thing it doesn't do is it doesn't do it constantly they've built it into
0:18:59an app and you open that app and then it runs and in 10 seconds it gives you a
0:19:02number although they did say it does periodic readings - sure sure but it's
0:19:07not gonna it's not doing it all the time it will do it periodically just like it
0:19:11you're not doing a workout it will do your heart rate periodically so it's just
0:19:16adding it to that level the way it works is kind of amazing right it's but it's
0:19:19the way all these sensors work they believe it or not shining a light down
0:19:22onto your skin and measuring the color tells how much oxygen is in your blood
0:19:29it's pretty wild but this is this is what we can do and now the Apple watch
0:19:32will be able to do that too yeah I I get the feeling from from you and from the
0:19:37distance many people in the disco are telling me now about all the benefits
0:19:40like I can see that this is a good sensor to have I just really feel like
0:19:45it wasn't can we I didn't get it from what they were telling me basically and
0:19:49maybe that there's something missing but I didn't get it you wanted more about
0:19:55why why the oxygen sensor is relevant for you I understand that yeah my um my
0:20:00dad had essentially COPD basically emphysema breathing thing he had to have
0:20:06his little his little blood oxygen testing thingy and so this is a this is
0:20:11one that's just in your watch and there is the s6 chip inside of this I noticed
0:20:19Jeff Williams referring to this chip as Apple silicon which I didn't know I've
0:20:26not noted Apple mentioning that phrase before so I guess they will call all
0:20:31chips they make Apple silicon now I guess unless there's gonna be another
0:20:36brand for it it sounds like Apple silicon is gonna be the way they brand
0:20:39across all of their all of their processors interesting that that's a
0:20:43kind of effect of the Mac transition but now they're talking about it for the
0:20:48Apple watch and you know presumably we'll do the same for the iPhone in a
0:20:52nutshell this enables a better always on display it can be two and a half times
0:20:57brighter outdoors now it's one of the things they were talking about but yeah
0:21:00I like that it seems like that's the main benefit that one of the word clouds
0:21:05the visual word clouds noted that this watch has a u1 chip yeah it's ultra wide
0:21:11band support so this is that thing that that we talked about a lot for the last
0:21:15round of iPhones that gives you precision location and it was only in
0:21:22the iPhone and so it was sort of like one iPhone could find another iPhone yay
0:21:26but in the long run this stuff has impact for lots of other things
0:21:30including next generation car using your device to open and run your car like the
0:21:37first generation of those is using near field stuff but the next generation of
0:21:43that and probably you know basically starting in a few years all cars will
0:21:48have ultra wide band as as how you you know use your devices to open them and
0:21:54start them and this Apple watch has that now also the rumor about you know air
0:22:00tags and things like that the idea that this is a precision location thing so
0:22:04where's my where's my Apple watch you should be able to do a find my on your
0:22:08Apple watch and find exactly where it is because of the ultra wide band stuff
0:22:12that's in it so that was a little subtle thing just mentioned in passing but you
0:22:17know that stuff's gonna be in every Apple mobile device before too long
0:22:21Apple is still quoting 18 hours a battery for this watch there's no change there
0:22:26they had lots of new watch face designs some of these you have to help me with
0:22:32this Jason I believe all of these seemed new to me like I don't really have
0:22:37seeing these for watch OS 7 and this is my question I think is is Apple limiting
0:22:44some of these things to the new watch or did Apple hold back some features from
0:22:50watch OS 7 in order to show them off at the Apple watch launch event right I
0:22:56don't I don't know the answer but it strikes me that some of these features
0:23:00are I mean they're definitely features in both iOS and watch OS that were
0:23:06announced today even though WWDC was was in June they announced these features
0:23:11today and so they they clearly have held back so our our old theory which is well
0:23:17you know they announced most everything at WWDC but they hold back some features
0:23:21that are integrated with the hardware that's not really entirely true this
0:23:26time they held back some features that every device is gonna get but they
0:23:30wanted to make the big splash with them as part of a larger story today and I
0:23:33guess stuff like watch faces I mean they don't really need to be in the
0:23:37developer bears right they that Apple's made them they don't need testing as
0:23:42such yeah so one of the watch faces that I excited about is a GMT watch face and
0:23:48a GMT watch face typically means tracking multiple time zones on the same
0:23:52watch face like I have a world timer GMT timer on right now it's a not obviously
0:23:59not Apple watch and I like that style of watch personally so I'm intrigued to try
0:24:03that out there is a face called count up which is for like timing for interval
0:24:09training I think there's a typograph they call it watch face which I like the
0:24:13look of an art watch face they worked with an artist to create a face which is
0:24:19a face which is a face a human face yeah and then also me Moji faces watch face
0:24:25they have a stripe one which is great because the stripe one basically allows
0:24:30you to create flags these could be country flags pride flags football team
0:24:34soccer team baseball team flags I thought that was a very good idea letting
0:24:38people create their own watch face there really so yeah I'm intrigued to see if
0:24:44they all come I believe they do and I want to try those out a little bit
0:24:48myself especially that GMT face they mentioned the watch face sharing and
0:24:56watch OS 7 did you catch what Jeff Williams kept saying during this segment
0:25:00yeah there's a face for that there's a face for that now in case you don't
0:25:04remember that they all campaign was there was an app for that right well and
0:25:08they're conflating a bunch of things here too which is there are watch faces
0:25:11and they're also complications mm-hmm that come from apps but they allow you
0:25:15to build a watch face around it's an interesting idea because it's like it's
0:25:18not the watch face necessarily it's a watch face with a complication from a
0:25:23particular app in it which is kind of broadening the definition of what a watch
0:25:28face is in that way but I thought that was clever yeah and you know because this
0:25:34is that like like a complication thing but it's a whole combination as you say
0:25:38right that they're really letting people kind of build and share the whole thing
0:25:41right so the Apple watch series 6 starts at three hundred and ninety nine dollars
0:25:46and this can be pre-ordered now it ships this Friday along with the Apple watch
0:25:53SE which effectively looks like the series 4 it has the s5 chip it comes in
0:26:00LTE versions it starts at two hundred and seventy nine dollars they also
0:26:05pointed out twelve dollars a month on Apple card which is a new thing they're
0:26:10doing two hundred and seventy nine dollars feels higher than what I thought
0:26:15this watch was going to be yes yeah that was surprising it is it is basically so
0:26:22our thought was replace the series 3 and the idea is it's it's the series 4 with
0:26:29some upgrades in it to make it a little more current because the series 4 went
0:26:35away right they kept the series 3 but the series 4 went away and so they've
0:26:41essentially brought it back as the SE but couldn't you know couldn't get the
0:26:45price down with again with the margins that they want to low enough to remove
0:26:49the series 3 so we're in in the situation now where there are essentially
0:26:53three watch generations for sale at one time you've got the SE which is a hybrid
0:26:58of the series 4 and the series 6 essentially and then you've got the
0:27:02series 3 still kicking around I couldn't I was very surprised about the series
0:27:083 yeah you two really felt like not the the plan like it didn't feel like what I
0:27:15thought the plan was right that it's like we now have these two models that's
0:27:18it and every year or every whatever we it's right on them but then keeping the
0:27:23s3 around I mean for developers it's like well now they still got the older
0:27:27watch around with different screen size different screen sizes yep I think I you
0:27:33can see the trajectory here right probably next year the series 3 goes
0:27:36away but they didn't want to because you know part of the story here is Apple
0:27:43wants to have the Apple watch start at a really low price and the series 3 gives
0:27:46them that and the Apple watch SE although it's designed to provide some
0:27:49some price range they obviously I mean they didn't want to spec it down to the
0:27:55point there would be no point in specking it down to the point that it
0:27:57could replace the series 3 I guess because at that point it would be a
0:28:00series 3 so they decided to make it better than that I my initial reaction
0:28:04when this happened was I actually said this and to you and Stephen in slack
0:28:08which is they're they're good better besting this thing which is they're
0:28:12gonna keep the series 3 around in order to say look at Apple watch it starts at
0:28:16$199 or whatever but you're gonna you're gonna get in there and then you're like
0:28:20yeah but the SE is way better like that's that's buying psychology 101
0:28:26right is you offer good better best and you get a lot of people who were
0:28:28thinking of good good gets them in the door and then they buy better or they're
0:28:33thinking better and they get upsell to best right those are the options there
0:28:36but I'm not sure how many people are gonna actually buy the series 3 it's
0:28:39still a pretty good deal for that price but here's the SE it's a little you're
0:28:45getting a lot more for that price difference so I think they'll also get a
0:28:50lot of people in the door for the for the base model and then they'll they'll
0:28:54sell them up to the SE the SE is missing always on it's missing ECG and it's
0:29:00obviously missing the blood oxygen sensor right I kind of like the big
0:29:04things that it that it doesn't have that the series line does have and I guess
0:29:10over time it's going to trickle these all of these things will trickle down I
0:29:15guess the expectation now is there will be I would now assume there will
0:29:21probably be an Apple watch SE every year and they will do this like the iPhone
0:29:25line I I don't know about every I mean I think I think the Apple watch SE is here
0:29:29to stay but I imagine that it will just be on sale for a couple of years at least
0:29:36I don't think it's gonna change next year I think series as made me question
0:29:41it we'll say no I say yeah I think the series 3 will die next year or the year
0:29:45after and the SE will soldier on and then at some point they will have to
0:29:49upgrade the SE because it will be too long in the tooth but for now and it's
0:29:54funny they chose SE which goes with the iPhone thing I think it's interesting
0:29:58that they had an opportunity to create like an Apple watch sport brand that
0:30:02really was to this but they I think they don't want to do that because they like
0:30:06the idea of saying the Apple watch is what you want it to be it can be a
0:30:08fitness device or it can be a health device or it can be you know whatever
0:30:13you want it to be so why brand it SE doesn't mean anything essentially we have
0:30:18new watch bands there are two models of a loop design that have no clasp of any
0:30:23kind you basically just slip it over your wrist and it's like stretchy comes
0:30:28in many sizes because obviously there needs to be many sizes for a product
0:30:32like this because you have to get it to be exactly what you want the cooling at
0:30:37the solo loop and they do it in a rubber and a nylon I think it's like a woven
0:30:42fabric yeah it's like polyester and and and and silicone woven together it kind
0:30:48of feels like something you want to try on huh yeah right I mean that was my
0:30:52immediate thought was like this is the perfect thing to sell in a store which
0:30:54makes it kind of a tough sell now and I know that you can like print out a thing
0:30:59and wrap it around your wrist or whatever but like you'd really want to
0:31:02try it on and instead this seems like exactly the wrong time for this kind of
0:31:07band to be out there at the the non adjustable band but this this is what
0:31:12Apple has decided to focus on this time they look they look great I mean there
0:31:17is the argument that why do you need an adjustable band if your arm is always
0:31:22really relatively the same size although that's not entirely true like depending
0:31:26on even the time of day your wrist can be bigger or smaller I wouldn't want to
0:31:31be straight in my watch off by stretching it over my head every day no
0:31:34I wouldn't want that either no these didn't really appeal to me at all but
0:31:39that's okay because I mean there are lots of different watch band styles at
0:31:42this point yeah I could imagine people wanting this who may be doing some kind
0:31:47of sporting activity and uncomfortable with maybe the watch getting caught and
0:31:51being pulled off right like I can see uses for it but it's that's this is not
0:31:56a band style that I would like but what I do love is that Apple continue to
0:32:02iterate in this area I think it's really cool that they keep doing things that
0:32:07are outside of what I normally see in the watch world you know they do these
0:32:14peculiar things which I think is the right thing for them to do because the
0:32:18Apple watch really continues to look like a product not from the watch world
0:32:23and I mean it's fine it's totally fine I think the Apple watch is continuing to
0:32:27look better and better all the time so I figure continue to keep pushing things
0:32:32forward with the watch bands and not just in color because they could just
0:32:37keep making different colors of sport bands forever and people keep buying
0:32:40them but if you want me to keep buying the bands every year give me new things
0:32:44new features new functionality I think it's cool they mentioned family setup
0:32:49which is encompass some stuff that we already knew about but added some stuff
0:32:54that we didn't this will effectively allow for you to with one iPhone maybe
0:32:59you as a as a parent be able to set up multiple watches maybe two for kids and
0:33:05maybe one or two for some grandparents all with one phone and they have a
0:33:09selection of family focus features like you can specify certain contacts that
0:33:13can be reached location alerts that kind of thing I think the kicker is that this
0:33:19requires a cell model yeah because they get their own phone number assigned to
0:33:23them and they need to stand alone so you need to be able to have them be their
0:33:27own thing and be on have a network connection all the time because that's
0:33:31the that's the point of them is you know your kid is wearing it you know where
0:33:35your kid is and they can call for help and all of those things my hope would be
0:33:38that they will be able to work with the carriers to create these basically like
0:33:46pooled plans and that you're not going to need to get like four different cell
0:33:51plans because that why I had a suck generally the carriers will offer an
0:33:57Apple watch you know and it's literally it's just add this person to your plan
0:34:00for an additional I think in the u.s. it's ten dollars a month for at least
0:34:04for my for my AT&T plan it's ten dollars a month to add my Apple watch to my my
0:34:08shared plan yeah but you see that's like but then if you add four and they pay
0:34:13$40 a month more yeah you know we're like what I would like is you know you
0:34:17pay $20 and everyone gets this pool of data and it shared but the thing is
0:34:21that's might be what it's like in America it's gonna be different in all
0:34:24different countries different everywhere and any carrier can change it right like
0:34:27there may be a carrier who wants to create like in the u.s. maybe t-mobile
0:34:32says well we're gonna give you for $15 a month you can pair as many Apple watches
0:34:37as you want on the plan and and then that'll be an interesting way that they
0:34:41compete yep and which will be perfectly within their rights to do so right like
0:34:45this is basically just a choice that the carriers will make and and that's that
0:34:49they will be removing the power brick from the watch boxes so it still ships
0:34:55with the cable I went through the checkout process to see if they had any
0:35:00process for this there were no there was no alert for me to say that it wasn't
0:35:05gonna have the brick in the box and it wasn't shown to me as a thing that I
0:35:09should have added in which one we were talking about is that conversation a
0:35:13little while ago about the iPhone doing this and I think it's pretty clear that
0:35:17the iPhone will do this even though for us to clear no the new iPads do still
0:35:21ship a bit the brick in the box yeah but that's different that's a USB C charger
0:35:25not everybody has a USB C charger yeah good point good point good point but a
0:35:29regular USB a style relatively low you know like yeah that that yeah but I was
0:35:37I was surprised it just did it didn't say like hey do you want this you know I
0:35:40thought that it would do that and at least at the current checkout process it
0:35:44doesn't do no apparently you have to go somewhere and then and then say you want
0:35:48one and then pay an extra 15 bucks I think it's on the accessories page that
0:35:53they throw you to you know like you add something to the car like you want one
0:35:56of these accessories but it's way below like all the bands and stuff and this is
0:36:01this is the part that bugs me is Apple gets to do what it wants here but there
0:36:06they know that people are gonna complain about this and they're gonna be
0:36:10surprised by it but they buried in the environmental thing they they mentioned
0:36:14that it's it's really everybody's got them already so we're just gonna leave
0:36:17it out and but you if you want one you can buy it for $15 and you know my
0:36:25feeling is if you wanted to come across as truly caring about the environment
0:36:28you would offer it to people when they bought the product as an option for free
0:36:35but when you charge $15 for it as an accessory and all your prices you know
0:36:41essentially stayed the same what you're really doing is saying we just want to
0:36:45you know whatever it costs like we're basically leaving something out that
0:36:48costs X and keeping the price where it is and generating a new revenue stream of
0:36:53$15 chargers it the environmental message falls away a little bit and it
0:36:59seems more like their nickel and dime you and unfortunately that is what Apple
0:37:03did here I hadn't thought of it that way yeah that's a good point I wonder what
0:37:08they're gonna do with the with the iPhone when it comes to this like how
0:37:12they're gonna do that messaging if they're gonna if they will say like hey
0:37:15do you want this it is a more expensive product they could probably afford to
0:37:19offer the charger as an option for free or for like five dollars or something
0:37:24like that if they when you buy it which is the way that I advocate is like I
0:37:29don't want them to give this away for free but I think when you buy an $800
0:37:32phone if you do want the charger you should just get it and not say well
0:37:38that's a $15 upsell in order to get that charger that we used to give you for
0:37:42free and I think the truth is that most people don't need those chargers because
0:37:46there are so many charger blocks that you've already collected that are USB a
0:37:51on that end or they or you've got a like a charger a travel charger that you use
0:37:56or like you know there are so many I don't need any more of them but that's
0:38:01not gonna be true of everybody so I would like for them to on the iPhone
0:38:06make that something that's a relatively inexpensive option I can see how maybe
0:38:10the margins on the Apple watch are a little bit less than there they're a
0:38:12little hesitant to do that but I'm a little disappointed that Apple doesn't
0:38:15just offer it as a throw-in at point of purchase not after that but at point of
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0:41:41right so shall we talk about actually before we go on to the iPad let's stay
0:41:47in the fitness realm and talk about fitness plus and Apple created it in a
0:41:52service they did it watch I will say Jason of everything in this presentation
0:41:59this was the one that impressed me the most I think because as a product
0:42:04offering I'm like I'm impressed with the iPad air right but like as a product
0:42:10offering fitness plus really ticked all of the boxes I expected and then they
0:42:17had that additional like Apple level of implementation that lifted it a gear so
0:42:23like for example what you have now is a fitness app on your iPad your iPhone or
0:42:30your Apple TV that adds instructional videos they have new workouts every week
0:42:35they have a team of instructors right they have like they have hired a bunch
0:42:39of instructors they will be putting out new workouts every week they have tons
0:42:43of different workout types at first like they have rowing and they have treadmill
0:42:48staff core high intensity training they have yoga so many as loads right and
0:42:55they're gonna be adding other ones I think I had a dance one too when you
0:42:59start one of the videos say on your Apple TV on your iPad it starts a workout
0:43:05on your watch that correlates to the video that you're watching and then on
0:43:10the screen so on your iPad screen for example you see live the metrics from
0:43:18your watch so like your heart rate you see that there the timer you see that
0:43:22there it's like overlaid on the screen and if you like hit one of your activity
0:43:26goals for the day it fires off and tells you you can get and and one thing I love
0:43:31this is like if they want you to be like hey like keep an eye on your heart rate
0:43:35they're like make that bigger on the screen for you I thought that these
0:43:39little details were very well done yeah I we expressed a lot of skepticism about
0:43:45this it's like oh boy it's another Apple service but and what I think is really
0:43:48interesting is that it's not Peloton like people are like oh it's Peloton for
0:43:53people who don't know Peloton is this company that has a bike that has its own
0:43:56software on it and its own service and its own instructors and it's all kind of
0:44:00integrated together and it's not cheap but it's all integrated together and by
0:44:05all accounts it's a pretty great product Apple fans should appreciate a company
0:44:11that is integrating hardware software and service into one thing right yeah
0:44:14this is this is different it's not Peloton because it's approaching it with
0:44:18different pieces of hardware and a different hardware software services
0:44:21integration and the difference is Peloton is a bike right and there are other
0:44:26services that are like Peloton but they're like it's a bike or it's a
0:44:28treadmill or whatever and here it's Apple watch and a display that's either
0:44:36a phone or an iPad or an Apple TV and you can use hardware with it so you can
0:44:44get on an exercise bike or a treadmill but you can also use weights you can
0:44:50also just do yoga or have nothing and just be jumping around and doing whatever
0:44:56you need to do and and that because it's on your wrist and then you've got a
0:45:00display where they're they're talking to you you've got you get this right you
0:45:06get you get it in a different set of scenarios and that's different and it's
0:45:12not fundamentally I think better or worse but it's different and I think one
0:45:15of the places that they will get pick up for this that they wouldn't that the
0:45:20barrier to getting a Peloton is enormous because of the price plus I don't like
0:45:24stationary cycling so I would never get one right so you wouldn't get one but
0:45:27the barrier here is is none other than signing up for the service and you get
0:45:31everybody's gonna get a month for free and anybody who buys a new Apple watch
0:45:34is gonna get three months for free but they have beginner level stuff you don't
0:45:40need any equipment absolute beginners mode which I love which is like hey if
0:45:44you are nervous about this like if you've not trained in a while like we
0:45:48have a program for you and I think that that is such a nice entry point right
0:45:53like and I think that's super cool I will say that one big comparison to
0:45:57Peloton that this I don't believe this service does they didn't talk about it I
0:46:00don't think it doesn't but something that people love about Peloton is the
0:46:03live sessions right so like you can be on a Peloton bike with a hundred people
0:46:09from all around the world you just are on at the right time and the instructor
0:46:12is actually talking to you and other people like will address you by name and
0:46:17people really love that and I get that right it's like a spin class but sure
0:46:21home or whatever and well give it give it time if this is a while it wouldn't
0:46:26get wouldn't surprise me but this is but the Peloton also do recorded classes that
0:46:30are like these right so that's where these things overlap but as you say
0:46:33you're not paying I mean the Peloton monthly like the digital plan I think is
0:46:38like 13 or 14 dollars it's already more expensive but anyway like and and you've
0:46:42bought an expensive bike in order to buy into it right so so the idea here is
0:46:45this is a different approach it's similar but it's different and if
0:46:49you're somebody who is who does not have equipment and wants to get in better
0:46:53shape it will actually help you do that I think this is all really interesting
0:46:57the one thing that that I thought here maybe they just thought people don't
0:47:01need this but as somebody who's been running lately I look at this and I
0:47:04think well you know what I would like I know there are apps that do this but
0:47:07they should they should have a running workout that's not a treadmill right
0:47:11like they should they should have something that is on the Apple watch and
0:47:15maybe they will at some point where I can go for a run with my phone or with
0:47:18my Apple watch and have it monitoring my health and you know playing music and
0:47:24talking to me and doing whatever but the the primary mode at least at launch for
0:47:28this is it's a video program while you're exercising so you watch it you
0:47:32see your stats and you exercise and so therefore you know I'm not gonna be
0:47:37watching something while I'm running out in the world but I can see places that
0:47:41this could go but where it's starting I think it's very smart I think it's very
0:47:44smart looks really interesting will it succeed I don't know but I think it is a
0:47:49perfect fit for one of the ways that Apple has positioned the Apple watch they
0:47:54integrate about the music you can choose the style of music that you want and if
0:47:58you're an Apple music subscriber you can get the playlists which is fantastic
0:48:01right you're like oh I love that playlist or I love that one song what
0:48:04was it you it's all integrated I think this is super compelling Jason like I
0:48:10really think they've done a great job here I I know personally like I'm
0:48:17someone who enjoys yoga and so like I I will give it a go I want to try the
0:48:21yoga workouts out I would also quite like to just see what their beginner
0:48:25thing is all about like I want to just go through that I didn't I was interested
0:48:31in this but I didn't think that they would sell me on it necessarily but I
0:48:34feel sold on it like I want to give it a go plus it will be included in my Apple
0:48:38One bundle an actual date it's just coming by the end of the by the end of
0:48:45the year and in fact although one of the things I was complaining about I wrote a
0:48:50macworld column about this at one point is my frustration that a lot of the
0:48:53Apple health features are not on the iPad one of the things they announced
0:48:58here is you have to be able they're like you could use your iPad and I'm thinking
0:49:01how is that gonna happen you could use your Apple TV how the answer is that
0:49:05workouts app which is now called a fitness app will be on the iPad and it
0:49:10will be on the Apple TV but it's not like on the gold master of iOS 14 or iPad
0:49:15OS 14 it doesn't exist right this is later this year by the end of the year
0:49:19it's like they will roll out something another update that includes this app
0:49:23and then they'll launch fitness plus but it is not happening quite yet yeah and I
0:49:29imagine the fitness app on the iPad won't sync with an Apple watch or
0:49:35whatever right like it's it's like directly it's not gonna be like the one
0:49:39on the iPhone I can't imagine that it will pull data in in the same way I show
0:49:42it to you in the same way our friend Kyle's the gray who himself has been in
0:49:47an Apple watch video event points out gym kit he mentioned gym kit and it's
0:49:53something that I wanted to mention which is there is a path forward here for
0:49:55Apple that makes them take on things like Peloton a little bit more but I
0:50:01don't think Apple is gonna be manufacturing exercise equipment right
0:50:04but Apple has already shown with some of the gym stuff that they've done where
0:50:07they they're having it so that Apple devices can connect to gym equipment and
0:50:14read data off of them and I feel like this is a direction that Apple will go
0:50:19even further in right because Apple ultimately is going to want they don't
0:50:22want to build exercise equipment but they want to participate and are already
0:50:26starting to participate in standards that are supported by exercise equipment
0:50:31so that they can read data and potentially even adjust the settings on
0:50:35that equipment during a guided workout and that's you know Apple doesn't have
0:50:39to build a bike Apple just needs to continue to work with exercise equipment
0:50:45manufacturers to talk to their equipment and then they can do things with those
0:50:49as part of fitness plus yeah like Peloton they earlier this week introduced a new
0:50:54bike that integrates with the Apple watch it's called the bike plus so like
0:50:59you know you're right right like Apple don't think they could just keep
0:51:02providing the functionality and let other people pick it up and then they
0:51:05also have their own stuff so yeah Apple one the services bundle is here
0:51:10it's really time on it there are three tiers there's the individual tier which
0:51:18is music arcade TV plus and 50 gigabytes of iCloud storage it costs 14.95 a month
0:51:24you save six dollars a month if you pay for it this way there's the family tier
0:51:29which is music TV plus arcade and 200 gigabytes of iCloud it's 19.95 a month
0:51:36you save eight dollars a month and this is the one that would be in the family
0:51:39plan right the 14.95 a month you can't share of your family plan right then
0:51:43they have another one called premiere and now they've announced that I
0:51:47understand what it exists music TV plus arcade news plus fitness plus two
0:51:53terabytes of iCloud the website says share with up to five people which was
0:51:59peculiar because it doesn't say family plan like I assume that's what it means
0:52:05although I don't know whether you I don't know I I struggle with this too
0:52:10because it's like I should probably add my mom to my family plan because she's
0:52:13paying 99 cents a month for iCloud and it's like does she want to be in in the
0:52:18I mean she's in my family but is she in my Apple iCloud family it's like I don't
0:52:21know but it's surely family sharing but it's just the way they said it was with
0:52:24me yeah this is 29.95 a month you save $25 a month because fitness plus is 10
0:52:31bucks right so yeah now this plan only exists in countries where all of those
0:52:38services exist and all of those services news plus fitness plus do not exist in
0:52:44every country that TV music arcade do right so you can't get the premiere plan
0:52:50if you are in many places in the world yeah I think it's gonna be like six
0:52:55countries or five countries that will have the premier plan but I did the math
0:53:00because I currently pay for two terabytes of iCloud for my photos and my
0:53:05device backup that's ten dollars a month I pay for arcade that's five dollars a
0:53:10month I pay for music family plan that's $15 a month I will soon be paying five
0:53:15dollars a month for TV plus that's $34.87 so right there on the stuff that I'm
0:53:22already or about to be paying for you know I've saved money yeah I've saved
0:53:27five dollars a month and I get news plus which I don't think is worth paying for
0:53:31but I I tried it I free I went back for a month and I found oh you know there's a
0:53:37bunch of paywall stuff that I hit that I don't hit with news plus it actually
0:53:42it's not enough for me to pay for it monthly but it has it has some value if
0:53:47if I get it thrown in and then fitness plus intrigued me and I thought do I
0:53:53want that or not and I look at premiere and I think oh well I'm just gonna get
0:53:56it because I'm already saving five dollars a month and I've rolled in two
0:54:00more Apple services that I might have been on the fence about so it's not for
0:54:05everybody right like I look at the iCloud numbers the sizes of those iCloud
0:54:10bundles at the individual and family level and I think they seem awfully
0:54:14small you can add more storage and pay a little bit extra to expand your iCloud
0:54:19storage beyond that on top of the bundle but it does look it's a little scant the
0:54:25iCloud storage at both of those levels I wish they had thrown in a little bit
0:54:28more storage there but as somebody who's already paying you know $30 and it's
0:54:33about to be $35 a month to Apple for existing services I look at this and I
0:54:37think this is great because it's gonna save me money and if you're in and I
0:54:42think a lot of our listeners probably are depending on what country you're in
0:54:45already in a position where you're paying Apple 20 25 30 dollars a month
0:54:48for services then you look at Apple one and you're like well I just saved money
0:54:52and got more it's not for everybody but that I mean that's the beauty of a
0:54:56bundle is that they're not making you buy a bundle you can buy them
0:54:58individually but if you're interested in enough of them to make it worth it you
0:55:03can you can either save money or pick up some services that you didn't really
0:55:08want but you wouldn't turn away if they gave it to you as part of the bundle
0:55:12hilariously the the pounds prices are the same it's 14 95 90 95 25 95 so I'll
0:55:20play I'll basically be paying about $40 a month for this but that's what Apple
0:55:25does these days Jason they just swap out the currency simple if they you know if
0:55:31the if the American dollar is good enough for us it's good enough for you I
0:55:34guess no no because if I was paying the American dollar Jason I would be saving
0:55:39no no I'm just saying that it's worth 30 it's worth 30 American dollars and
0:55:43therefore it's worth 30 everywhere except in Canada where it's worth 35
0:55:48iPad 8th gen super boring yes yes look look the iPad eighth generation like the
0:55:57seventh generation before it it exists to be sold for 329 or 299 for education
0:56:03it's it exists to have a cheap iPad it exists so Apple can stand on stage or in
0:56:08a video and say we now have an a12 bionic in this so again it's you know a
0:56:14couple year old processor but as they pointed out like it's still way faster
0:56:18than most Chromebooks and a lot and tablets and and stuff that competes with
0:56:25especially in education and so they you know it's a boring it's the old classic
0:56:30iPad it and it's just got a newer chip that's still two years old but it's
0:56:35newer than what it was and it exists like they it's it's gonna be boring it's
0:56:41always gonna be boring but it's super important for Apple remember when Apple
0:56:45was really dinged because the iPad was too expensive and there were a bunch of
0:56:48cheap tablets like that doesn't happen so much anymore because Apple has a
0:56:52cheap iPad now and it's this one and we are all bored by it but it's super
0:56:57important that it exists yeah look it is an important product in the lineup like
0:57:02I don't deny but this is one of the things that if this was a more combined
0:57:09event like maybe this would have been I don't think this would have made it in
0:57:12to the event right like if if iPhones were coming then and Apple decided they
0:57:16also wanted to show off iPads and and watches in the same event as an iPhone I
0:57:21don't think this one would have either a been in it or be got as much time as it
0:57:24did but they may as well put it in while they're talking about the iPad sure
0:57:28before we got into the iPad air retime fault real-time follow-up from friend of
0:57:32the show Mark Gurman that the titanium Apple watches and a man's Apple watches
0:57:38keep the power adapter in the box therefore really just underlining what
0:57:44you were saying about it being cost saving measure because yeah what is it
0:57:48like titanium Apple watches like bought by people with more carbon offsets like
0:57:52what's the thing keep no people who buy titanium Apple watches are just well
0:57:57known to not have power adapters they just don't have them who knows why they
0:58:03need them every time the iPad air basically an iPad Pro and in some ways
0:58:10even more pro than the current iPad Pro the design it has the liquid retina
0:58:15display so it has that edge to edge display the flat sides but it comes in
0:58:20some colors as well as the regular colors colors green blue and rose gold
0:58:25funnily enough Jason the blue is a different color to the blue of the Apple
0:58:30watch and the sky is a different color gold to the Apple watch which makes me
0:58:35think if I was gonna like thumb in the air right I bet the iPhone 12 colors
0:58:41match the iPad air and the pro colors match the Apple watch series 6 interesting
0:58:50that would be my thing could be I just again you know I'm so slow clap to Apple
0:58:56for putting colors in their products iPad air you get a blue iPad air great I
0:59:02want to get a color in the pro line I will at least like say you know what
0:59:06fine like if you don't want to do it in pros because pros are too serious in
0:59:09your mind for some reason then you should at least do it here and they have
0:59:13and the colors look great I really like the green one I think the green one
0:59:16looks really nice one looks really good no it's it's great I'm just so happy
0:59:20like Apple just goes back and forth on colors but I'm very happy that they did
0:59:26that and this is something that we talked about yesterday and have been
0:59:30talking about for a while Apple has been super aggressive at taking iPad Pro
0:59:34features and pushing them down to the other iPads Apple is not afraid of
0:59:38moving those pro features down after a couple of years and here you have it
0:59:43right the iPad air is essentially a low-end iPad Pro at this point it's
0:59:49missing some of the features of the iPad pros but it's picked up Apple pencil 2
0:59:54support for that magic keyboard which you doubted yesterday and I thought
0:59:58would happen and it's this thing is the same size as the small iPad Pro and so
1:00:03uses all the same stuff including that magic keyboard so it's got a lot of
1:00:08those features it doesn't have promotion it doesn't have the sensor stack for you
1:00:14know for a face ID oh yes I do in Lida yeah and a slightly smaller screen it's
1:00:20like 10.9 instead of 11 right doesn't have the two back cameras or the LIDAR
1:00:24but it's but you know it's close and then it's got they've got a brand new
1:00:28first-time scene touch ID sensor on the power button yeah and the touch ID
1:00:34sensor you know they're using the power of the a14 which we'll get to in a
1:00:39minute and and they're scanning that finger and you're training it you know
1:00:43you move your finger all over like you do when you train touch ID people who
1:00:47have face ID for a while maybe I've forgotten this and then even though that
1:00:51is a smaller surface area than usually for touch ID it's scan that whole finger
1:00:58and it can take a cross-section whatever cross-section of your finger lands on it
1:01:01and fairly quickly wake it up and in fact you can there's two different ways
1:01:06to do it you can like push the button in and then after you pushed it in you rest
1:01:11your finger on it for a moment and it pops open and unlocks or you can
1:01:15actually tap the screen because it's got the tap to wake on on the iPad air so
1:01:19you can tap to wake and then just just tap your finger on the on the home
1:01:23screen or home button for a moment and it unlocks so it's a that's really
1:01:28exciting whether Apple will bring a touch ID button to other products in its
1:01:33mobile product line remains to be seen but I think it's really cool that they
1:01:37did that here yeah I guarantee they will but it won't be this year that's that
1:01:41yeah this is the thing yeah I think if I had to bet it would be that Apple's
1:01:44kicking themselves that they had this tech and that they that they couldn't
1:01:47get it in the iPhone because the iPhone lead times are too long but they do have
1:01:50it and so I would almost make a bet now that in the long run every iPhone will
1:01:55have a touch ID button on it just for convenience why not right which why not
1:02:00like authenticate me and whatever way you can get to me first based on the way
1:02:04that I've like you interacted with the device yeah so I would say like you know
1:02:10I agree what you're saying right that like we spoke about this that it is the
1:02:14right move to bring all of these features they've just done it faster than
1:02:17I expected right like I did not expect that that was the magic keyboard was the
1:02:21big surprise to me because it really felt like the differentiator and now
1:02:25it's it's you know it's got USB C this thing too like it's it's it is I think a
1:02:30very difficult like if you want to get the the regular sized iPad right now I
1:02:36don't really know why you'd get a pro like the only real thing that that you
1:02:44could benefit from is the promotion display but honestly I mean a face ID I
1:02:49do like face ID on my iPad I will say that but if you've not had it on an iPad
1:02:53I don't think you'd you would you would feel like you were missing it right like
1:02:59you because the touch ID in the power button is a nicer place I think than the
1:03:03home button so yeah if you're coming from an iPad Pro but nobody's coming from
1:03:07an iPad Pro to an iPad air right like they're coming from your previous iPad
1:03:10air or from the iPad and so they're not gonna they're gonna be so blown away by
1:03:14the things that did come from the iPad pros I don't think they're gonna cry too
1:03:18much about not having face ID yeah and again like Emma saying in the chat the
1:03:22speakers are different and I could call them the speakers in the upper yes
1:03:25absolutely fantastic well so there's there's four speakers in the iPad Pro
1:03:28there are only two speakers in the iPad air but they are side by you know
1:03:31they're on the opposite sides now so you do get the stereo so it's better not the
1:03:37same it's like again like if you're coming from anything other than the
1:03:39current iPad Pro I mean but look there is an argument to be made for some
1:03:43people that they might want to go from the 2018 pro to this sure is this has
1:03:48the a14 bionic chip the first Apple device to get this chip is fascinating
1:03:54and shows you the weird time frame like at the weird like wibbly-wobbly time
1:04:00that we're in because I guarantee you this was not supposed to be the first time
1:04:05since the iPad 2 that an Apple chip family has debuted in something other
1:04:11than an iPhone and for a long day you in the conceit like like and I know it's
1:04:18like the iPad 2 was a obviously I could see my product but like it was different
1:04:21now right but the idea is like it if this had debuted in an iPad Pro first if
1:04:25we would have got this chip in the 2020 iPad Pro we wouldn't have really bad too
1:04:29much of an eye at it right like it's like okay cool of course right but the
1:04:33a14 bionic chip has is a 5 nanometer chip it is 6 core CPU which is 40%
1:04:41faster a 4 core GPU which is 30% faster 2 times faster neural engine 10 times
1:04:48faster machine learning accelerators this thing is a beast yeah and and it's
1:04:53funny because they did do a little chip presentation but I suspect that they
1:04:56held a bunch of hype back because they're gonna want to hype it again when
1:04:59the iPhone comes out and explain again just why the a14 is so great but they
1:05:03did sort of split the difference here and do the a14 launch now and talk about
1:05:08why it's so great it's you know it's got the four performance cores and two
1:05:12energy efficiency cores and all that you know it's a six core processor it's got
1:05:17a bunch of machine learning like you said accelerators and the idea here is
1:05:22that it's much more efficient at machine learning and this is obviously something
1:05:25Apple cares about across the line and let's say it like not only is this the
1:05:30first product to carry this generation of Apple silicon in it and it's an iPad
1:05:36air and the iPhone will follow but let's just say it like this is also almost
1:05:44certainly the generation of chip that will go in the Mac for the first time
1:05:49and here it is on the iPad air it's funny funny how life comes at you fast
1:05:53sometimes huh yeah I I am really excited to see the benchmarks on this thing I
1:06:00really want to see the benchmarks from this thing to really just really
1:06:05understand what are we dealing with here because it feels like this is very
1:06:12powerful and I wonder like is will we see this year an a14 X in another
1:06:20product or will we wait I don't know I don't know I don't know I I think the
1:06:24iPad Pro has to have the equivalent of an a14 X in it we've debated whether you
1:06:30could do a low-end Mac like a MacBook using just the a14 and get away with it
1:06:39and the answer is maybe I reckon you could I reckon maybe and so that's
1:06:43Apple's plan then maybe they would need that but I feel like the iPad Pro chip
1:06:48is gonna be in most of the Mac's that they release so whether that's this fall
1:06:52or next spring we'll see do you think we're gonna see another iPad Pro this
1:06:59year like where did I go now with the iPad Pro I think that's the the real
1:07:04question is the iPad Pro is on the clock right there are so many the it makes
1:07:09sense for Apple to do this and pull Pro features down to the iPad air I think
1:07:11it's great I think it makes sense but it also implies that they've got a next
1:07:17step for the iPad Pro which honestly mini LED right this year is very
1:07:23middling like not an update update for the iPad Pro also actually strongly
1:07:27suggests that there is a much bigger update coming yeah but it's not it was
1:07:31not ready yet so maybe that's early next year and and yeah it does the display
1:07:36technology change what other stuff are they doing in that product in order to
1:07:41vault it further because although I think Apple is comfortable having the
1:07:46low-end iPad Pro and the iPad air be where they are now I would say in the
1:07:51long run they're too close for comfort this is this is that moment when they're
1:07:55close but then the iPad Pro is gonna get a boost and then be appreciably better
1:08:01in a whole bunch of ways that it isn't right now but what those ways are remains
1:08:06to be seen I don't know it sounds like the rumors suggest that this is a more
1:08:10of a next year thing than it is and I would I would believe that if for no
1:08:14other reason than Apple bothered to do an iPad Pro update this year mm-hmm and
1:08:19that suggests that they they needed some time before the next iPad Pro was gonna
1:08:22be ready to go yeah in addition to doing USB C that means that it does 4k video
1:08:27out so that's yet another thing that it's got going on so it's got USB C and
1:08:31that means all the video out you'd expect so it'll do a 4k video out just
1:08:35on an iPad air for starting a $5.99 right like so so bringing down the iPad Pro
1:08:42price a lot of these features now come down to $5.99 which is Apple's been doing
1:08:47this for a few years now that when they finally kind of got the iPad product
1:08:51line where they wanted it and this is just you know the machinery continues to
1:08:56spin and those features keep coming down in price as time goes on so here we are
1:09:00the 11 inch iPad Pro starts at $7.99 but that is for 128 gigabyte so that $5.99
1:09:08model is I think somewhat unfortunately a 64 gigabyte model yeah but it's $5.99 I
1:09:16mean again I know I know I know but it's that's super such a super small amount
1:09:19and this tops out at 256 gigabytes at $7.49 is where the iPad where the iPad air
1:09:27tops out but again fantastic product gets all the incredible accessories
1:09:32available to it really like the Apple pencil - it's just like an absolute
1:09:36winner like yeah this is a fan absolutely fantastic product like if I
1:09:40if someone came to me today and said like I want to get an iPad which one should
1:09:44I get this is this is my current recommendation to people like even if
1:09:49they were saying like well you know I want an iPad Pro I would say look at
1:09:52this first because it's cheaper you get all of the features pretty much that you
1:09:58are most likely to care about and it's gonna last you maybe a little bit longer
1:10:03because the chip is newer I think Apple figures that the people who are buying
1:10:07the iPad air are people who are upgrading and getting new features and
1:10:14are probably not iPad Pro buyers I think that they they figure like the iPad Pro
1:10:19buyers know who they are and they're self selecting and the iPad Pro buyers are
1:10:23not buying iPad pros right now so they're fine and then throw in the magic
1:10:28keyboard right I mean that is not a cheap keyboard but at least it does work
1:10:33with this thing that starts at $5.99 and that means that Apple's Apple's complete
1:10:38iPad argument just got cheaper right like here's our answer to other laptops
1:10:46is we've got an iPad plus a magic keyboard that's got keyboard pointing
1:10:51device and an iPad all in one and that just came down in price by a couple
1:10:55hundred bucks and that's that you know an Apple like I said yesterday happy to
1:11:00sell more magic keyboards to whoever wants one for the you know price and the
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1:13:1814 watch OS 7 TV OS 14 they're coming tomorrow Jason big surprise yeah this
1:13:26one the gold master releases are out now this is this is this is surprising what
1:13:35this tells me personally is Apple's timeline never changed because this is
1:13:42when it would be coming out right like in a normal set of circumstances we
1:13:47would be getting iOS 14 basically now and we are so even though WWDC came
1:13:54later Apple stuck to their timeline right does that make sense what I'm
1:13:59saying like this is we in in 2020 version B the iPhone would have been
1:14:05announced last week probably on Wednesday and then Wednesday at the
1:14:09following week which it is is when iOS 14 would have dropped and that's what's
1:14:13happening but typically when a new version of iOS comes out we get a week
1:14:18notice they say hey developers here's the golden master submit your apps yeah
1:14:24it's not just here's the gold master it's here's the golden master here's the
1:14:27final version of Xcode yep here are all the things you need to submit your apps
1:14:31so that they can get approved so that they can be ready yeah when the new
1:14:37version of the OS ships to people so that people don't update and then your
1:14:41apps are weird and then they complain to the developer that their apps are broken
1:14:45because let's make it clear in case you're not that familiar with this no
1:14:49developer could submit their application for iOS 14 for review until today and
1:14:56ios 14 comes out tomorrow so that means for any app to be available with widgets
1:15:04in for example in the App Store they have to have been approved between now
1:15:09and maybe at this point 12 hours from now seems unlikely at best and I find
1:15:18that peculiar I asked our friend of the show James Thompson so like I asked him
1:15:22to sense check that for me and James says it depends on how long that review
1:15:25is gonna take for iOS 14 builds sometimes in the best conditions app
1:15:29review can be the same day but I doubt that it will be right now I think it's
1:15:32almost impossible but James said that he will try and get something in tonight
1:15:36and see what happens and I have been seeing James along with many other
1:15:40developer friends fighting with Xcode like Xcode's not working there seems to
1:15:44have been an issue this is very peculiar to me I have been thinking about this
1:15:51for the last couple of hours I can't work out why they needed to do this
1:15:57right so they have to have watch over 7 and ios 14 available for the watches
1:16:03right yes and the watches ship on Friday there yes why do they need to ship on
1:16:09Friday why don't they ship next Friday or why didn't they a week ago say
1:16:14here's the GM I don't know I can't think of any I can't find logic in this Jason
1:16:21it's a very very weird thing to do because it's like at a time where many
1:16:28developers not just indie developers many developers across up and down right
1:16:34company sizes are feeling frustrated at Apple they do this and it's like there's
1:16:40no I can't find a logic to it because you could say like Oh Apple wanted to
1:16:44get the Apple watch sales in on this financial quarter it's not gonna make a
1:16:48difference to what's gonna be a dismal financial quarter because there's no two
1:16:52weeks two weeks of Apple watch sales is not gonna make that much of a difference
1:16:57regardless it's not gonna pick up more than like a single percentage point my
1:17:01my guess is that it was a chain of events it was you know we're gonna
1:17:05declare this a final so that we can ship it so that we can we're gonna bring
1:17:10the Apple watch forward and we're gonna bring the iPad forward but that means we
1:17:13need to ship them which means we need to ship the OS at which point we need we
1:17:18might as well build that version for the new phones when they come and then
1:17:22they'll just update when they get there okay I get all of that but you're right
1:17:25the next question is Thursday or Friday if you have to do it this week why put
1:17:31iOS 14 out tomorrow and why not release a GM last week right and I think maybe
1:17:38the answer there is some of the things that we found which is there's things in
1:17:41the in the GM that weren't in the betas because Apple made some announcements
1:17:46and maybe there's stuff in there that wasn't in there before right but then
1:17:50put those in iOS 14 point 0.1 yeah day one in date for the new products right
1:17:57like yeah I yeah I just this this is so weird to me give it given how I mean
1:18:04developers yesterday were reading the tea leaves and being like whoa you know
1:18:07there's there we've had these updates coming fast and furious and that this is
1:18:12a sign that maybe they're about to go gold master I mean like that was out
1:18:14there but not having a GM not having the final Xcode like this is this is it took
1:18:22it took a lot of longtime Apple developers by surprise because this is
1:18:28not it's not just that it's a surprise it's that if you want to submit with a
1:18:33new version of Xcode you need to like get it and then submit it and then
1:18:37literally if it comes out tomorrow people are gonna be updating tomorrow
1:18:41and you're you know if you're really quick about it you'll have submitted
1:18:46will it be approved and it just I come back to your thing which is why did it
1:18:51need to be this way and I don't know we don't know all the details and maybe the
1:18:55answer is it wasn't supposed to be this way and then they had an issue and then
1:18:58so it slipped but they knew they had the hard deadline because they were going to
1:19:02have this event and they were going to announce the watch and the iPads and so
1:19:05therefore they need to have it I don't know that that's my best guess is that
1:19:09this isn't malicious and this isn't uninformed by people at Apple but more
1:19:13that something happened that compressed the schedule beyond what you know what
1:19:19they would have liked it but the end result is that developers are kind of
1:19:21freaked out and again I'm fortunate I can follow all of that but you could have
1:19:25set put the gold master out yesterday and you could have iOS 14 come out and
1:19:31Thursday right like you could have given more than less than 24 hours notice
1:19:35because people will update to iOS 14 and they're gonna have no widgets yeah and
1:19:42they're gonna apps that are that are weird and maybe don't work right and
1:19:47yep mm-hmm so like yeah Apple is is inconveniencing their own customers
1:19:53their own customers will have a bad experience even if you remove our
1:19:57developer like leaning right like we lean towards developers because most of
1:20:02our friends are developers many people in community and listeners are
1:20:05developers so we are very developer focused but if you just look at the
1:20:09customer side of it people that pay attention to this are gonna be like where
1:20:14are all the widgets that I was promised where all the app clips yeah where's
1:20:19all this do it it's why aren't you doing widgets there's nothing answer is just
1:20:23wait and I just I find it I just find it for if this is really weird to me it's
1:20:30it's strange so overall I have a question for you looking at everything
1:20:36that they announced did this event have a reason to exist at it didn't should it
1:20:43have been what do you think oh I mean it didn't have to exist like I said at the
1:20:53top I like it because it's it's short and then more events shorter events and
1:20:58more of them I kind of like the idea certainly didn't have to Apple could
1:21:02have delayed all of these - I think Apple at some point said okay well the
1:21:07phones are delayed so we're gonna delay the announcement of the phones but we're
1:21:11right on time with the watch and the iPad so we might as well just go ahead
1:21:14and announce them and we have too much embedded in especially the watch with
1:21:19the fitness plus service for us to launch it with a press release we really
1:21:23wearables is very important to us we need to not let that go by but we don't
1:21:28want to wait and hold them hold them up for the iPhone so let's do it like that
1:21:33was obviously a decision that they made that they didn't want to wait they
1:21:36didn't want to hold him up but they didn't think that this was it was more
1:21:41important than not having an event and also I think it's a question of like
1:21:44could Apple call more events like why why not just do a an iPhone and Apple
1:21:51watch event or an iPad and Apple watch event mm-hmm so they did so it didn't
1:21:57have to but Apple decided why not do it why make them wait for the iPhone I
1:22:02would say you know this is all about what's available to ship when I'm always
1:22:09struck by the fact that Apple watch in this case Apple watch and iPad have have
1:22:15essentially nothing in common it's literally we're gonna talk to you today
1:22:18about two things that have nothing in common except Apple and if you were
1:22:22planning this in advance as opposed to what this is which is we've got the
1:22:26products that we've gotten here they are I would put the iPad with the Mac right
1:22:31as they've done in the past not with the Apple watch it's a weird like iPad
1:22:37doesn't even talk to the Apple watch it can't can't even talk to the the whole
1:22:40health API stuff it's just it won't it's my complaint about it isn't I think
1:22:45that's dumb but it doesn't do it so they press them together because that was
1:22:49what they had and I'd say you know thematically it's not the best fit but
1:22:53they are the products that they have and they didn't want to wait so you know I
1:22:58think that's it I think I think maybe it's that simple which is look if we're
1:23:01not calling people in person to an event anyway and we're just making a video why
1:23:05don't we just make an hour-long video about these to get them out of the way
1:23:09and potentially the other part of that story is we know what we've got a long
1:23:15with the iPhone for later and it's a lot so we'll give all of that room to breathe
1:23:22and get these things out of the way when they're ready to go and I think that's
1:23:26probably part of the truth is they're looking at what one event would be like
1:23:29with everything that's on their plate and saying that's not a good idea that's
1:23:34too many things and so if we're gonna break it up why don't we just do an
1:23:37event in the in the traditional mid-september slot for products that are
1:23:43ready to ship and get them out and ship the OS and then do a second event later
1:23:48so didn't have to happen but I understand why they probably did it it
1:23:52is a little bit weird thematically doesn't really link up they don't have
1:23:55one story to tell here it's really like two stories to tell neither which is the
1:24:00iPhone which is the story everybody wants to hear but you know again I don't
1:24:05mind that it's a different kind of Apple event it's not earth-shattering a lot of
1:24:08the criticism will be literally that it's not earth-shattering it's like
1:24:11that's okay that's okay personally are you looking we are you interested in in
1:24:19any of this hardware for the snow household hmm I think I think probably
1:24:25not I'm I'll be as always I'll be tempted in the Apple watch be tempted by
1:24:30the Apple watch a little bit just because I do use my Apple watch a lot
1:24:34and I'm you know and I'm very excited about the colors honestly the colors
1:24:41excite me but probably not this is probably not an event that's going to
1:24:44generate a lot of hardware sales in our house I'm I have no hardware I'm gonna
1:24:49get all I'll sign up for Apple one and yeah well I'll be I'll be in the bundle
1:24:55and I will try out the fitness stuff for sure so the serve on the services side
1:24:59ironically after all of that and all our complaints about Apple and trying new
1:25:02services the services that this is the stuff that you and I both walk away from
1:25:06this event saying oh I'll try that out yep don't forget Friday 18th of September
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1:25:40could be back tomorrow I hope not but we could be for who knows maybe Apple like haha surprise we're doing an event on
1:25:47Thursday but there is still a lot to come maybe next week we'll talk a little
1:25:52bit about that I'm sure next week we'll be talking a bunch about iOS 14 tvos 14
1:25:57and all that good stuff and I'm sure there will be a lot of drama between now
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1:26:06has submitted dice by peak elk to the App Store for reviews so I hope that James
1:26:13will be able to get that app out on day one the dice by peak elk widget is one
1:26:17of my favorite widgets it's absolutely beautiful James did a wonderful job with
1:26:20that if you'd like to check us out online go to sixcolors.com where Jason
1:26:27will be I'm sure putting up a bunch of stuff sure question for you I mean in
1:26:38thick yes there will be one I mean it's not gonna be tomorrow is my assumption
1:26:42but like yeah I assume you're working on something nope I'm not okay that's fine
1:26:47I apologize Dan wrote a piece about iOS when that went to public beta that I
1:26:52would imagine that he might adapt and turn into a piece that's a review and I
1:26:57wrote about iPad OS a little bit and I will probably do a version of that at
1:27:01some point right but in terms of the advanced work that I've done on iOS and
1:27:08iPad OS in terms of writing no none fair enough fair enough I'm sure there's a
1:27:16lot of stuff still going on out there they're gonna find Jason online at Jason
1:27:20oj s ne double l I met I'm like I am y ke and we'll be back next time thank you
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