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0:00:08For Relay FM, this is Upgrade, episode 294. Today's show is brought to you by Linode, DoorDash, and ExpressVPN.
0:00:17My name is Myke Hurley, I am joined by Jason Snow. Hi, Jason Snow.
0:00:21Hi, Myke Hurley. Another week down.
0:00:22You know, that doesn't work as well when you don't know how many weeks are left.
0:00:26Fun, strange. It's just another one down, right?
0:00:28Another year, oh, it was definitely down. Yes.
0:00:32It's like you can mark it on the wall, you know, that the week has done and you can put your little line.
0:00:37That's right. Yep.
0:00:38Get ready to cross off the next one.
0:00:40In fact, I believe that was week five, so we got to finally, after making four scratches downward on our wall, we now make one across.
0:00:47Excellent. We have a #snowtalk question from David, and David wants to know, Jason, you're a sports fan.
0:00:52Are you watching any sports replays since there aren't any live games on right now?
0:00:56Oh, you know...
0:00:59There are no podcasters I feel more sorry for than sports podcasters.
0:01:02Oh, yeah, right, and I feel bad for sports writers and...
0:01:06Yeah.
0:01:07Yeah, so...
0:01:08That's rough, like, that is rough.
0:01:10Because your whole subject matter has ceased.
0:01:14Like, if Apple came out and said, "Oh, no, we're just gonna skip this year out," we would be in trouble.
0:01:20I don't think we would be, though, because people would still be using their technology every day to do their jobs.
0:01:26This is like, what if all computers just turned off for a year?
0:01:30I mean, we don't have problems in regards to podcast distribution, but yes, I get your point.
0:01:34Indeed. So sports writers that I've seen have been pretty... they're trying to be really creative, and that's great.
0:01:41And coming up with... you're talking about history and interviewing people and doing profiles of people who are like,
0:01:47"How are they staying in shape, and what are they planning?" and a lot of speculation.
0:01:51But it's really hard, because that is a whole industry that is shut down, and if you cover that industry, that's really rough.
0:01:57I have watched one sports replay a couple weekends ago.
0:02:03I put a World Series game, a Giants World Series game from 2012 on in the background, and just kinda...
0:02:08It was nice to have the rhythm of baseball and baseball announcers and stuff happening.
0:02:13But that's all that I've done, mostly because I've just had other stuff to do, and I might yet do that again,
0:02:23just to get that feeling, because this is... you know, baseball is my favorite sport, and a couple weeks ago,
0:02:29we should have started again after the whole winter of offseason, and instead there's no baseball,
0:02:34and there's no sign that there'll be baseball anytime soon, and it's really depressing, honestly.
0:02:40But I haven't yet rectified that with very many replays.
0:02:46I have some old radio broadcasts from the early part of the previous decade, when the Giants were in the playoffs,
0:02:54and the World Series, and all that, and I've been thinking about playing those, because then they can just be in the background,
0:02:59and the TV... I'm not sure a replay of an old sports game or match or whatever holds my attention enough
0:03:09for it to be on TV, if that makes any sense. If it's playing out in real time and I know what happened,
0:03:15and I'm just watching... that's a level of focus that I don't think I could provide.
0:03:20So putting it on in the background, if I'm in a scenario where I could have it on in the background,
0:03:23but not super paying attention to it, I might do that. And radio, similarly, is actually pretty good
0:03:30at just having it on in the background and getting the sort of pleasant vibes of the sport going on,
0:03:35even though it's not without focus. Because I'm not going to spend three hours focusing on a baseball game
0:03:40that I know everything that happened in it.
0:03:41What's going to happen next? Yeah, it kind of takes it out a little bit.
0:03:45Exactly.
0:03:46Like, there might be a couple of games, you know, like really important games to you, that you might want to watch that way.
0:03:52So that's... I did one of those, and actually there was another game that I watched some of.
0:03:57I watched sort of the last two or three innings of, and it was a World Series game that was very dramatic,
0:04:02and teams were on their last strike to win the World Series, and then saved it, and then it came back,
0:04:07and it went back and forth. It was in 2011. And during that game, I was game six of the 2011 World Series,
0:04:16I was doing a podcast. And so I'm just doing a podcast with the TV on in the background, silent.
0:04:22And every time one of these incredible swings in fate happened, I couldn't react, right?
0:04:28So I'm sort of silently going, while we're having a talk about, like, I don't know, a science fiction novel or something like that for the incomparable.
0:04:37And I had never watched that game, other than in silence while recording a podcast.
0:04:42And so I did actually watch the last three innings or whatever of that, just to see all the drama that happened,
0:04:49and actually hear the announcers talk about it, because I had missed that. So that's two.
0:04:52But in general, I like the idea of reliving past sort of sport things, but it doesn't really work for me,
0:05:01because I don't want to focus on it. I can't focus on it, because there's not enough there for me to apply my focus to.
0:05:09So I'm trying to consider ways of using it as just background sound, to make it feel a little more normal.
0:05:16This was the first year that me and Adina were going to get into F1 seriously after watching the excellent Netflix documentary, Drive to Survive.
0:05:24Obviously F1 got cancelled. But something that's happening in F1 is a lot of the racers, like the actual Formula One drivers,
0:05:32are racing in the Formula One video game and streaming it. And so that's happening in a lot of different sports,
0:05:40where the actual people that play the sports are playing the video games of the sports,
0:05:45which is also kind of funny, because some of them are good, but some of them are not, right?
0:05:50And so you get this, like, one of, you know, some of the best Formula One race drivers cannot play the game,
0:05:56and it adds, it like kind of messes things up a little bit, which is fun.
0:06:00Yeah, that's good. They're doing that with, um, Major League Baseball is having baseball players play the MLB The Show video game,
0:06:08and similar thing. I'm not watching that, but I'm seeing some highlights of that that I think are kind of fun.
0:06:13And in the newspapers, I should also say, the newspapers and like local sports websites around here,
0:06:18there are a few different sim seasons going on, where like the San Francisco Chronicle is using a baseball game,
0:06:27and who is simulating, they're simulating the entire season as it was originally scheduled.
0:06:34And so they will every day have a little report about what happened yesterday, and what the current standings, in quotes, are.
0:06:41Which I think is another fun, it's a fun idea, and they've even had a couple of things where they've had the local broadcasters broadcast kind of,
0:06:50they're calling the video game as if it was a real game, which is kind of fun, but again, it's not that fun.
0:06:59Like, I get it, and it's a nice idea, and if you want to hear those voices and all that, but it's not the same.
0:07:06There's something fun to tide you over if you're looking for it, but I think a lot of people wouldn't necessarily then be like,
0:07:12"Oh, I won't find something else to do with the time I was going to watch baseball."
0:07:16And so it's nice to have the option.
0:07:18By the way, if you're missing racing at all, then there are hours of Gels Marble Runs on YouTube for you to watch.
0:07:26Have you seen Gels Marble Runs?
0:07:28I have seen those, yeah.
0:07:30They're the best, it is the best, because it is everything that is true and not true about sports.
0:07:37Because you watch, it's great, the announcers are great, they just had a new thing where they have a partnership with an auto race circuit, which is Formula E, I think.
0:07:49And what I'll say is, you'll find yourself telling stories and narratives about the grittiness of the competitors,
0:07:56and getting really excited when one competitor does well, and really excited when another competitor fails.
0:08:02And the other part of your brain is saying, "But they're just marbles. They're not real, they're not people."
0:08:08This is amazing. They're literally just...
0:08:10They're calling them Marbula One.
0:08:12Marbula One, yes. They used to have the MarbleLympics, but they had to change the name because the Olympic Games didn't appreciate it.
0:08:18But the MarbleLympics are also great.
0:08:21It's just, people, if you haven't seen Jill's marble runs, just go watch it if you miss sports especially, because it's truly amazing.
0:08:29Yeah, I love it. And yes, they are just marbles.
0:08:33That's part of the fun of it, is that you get really into it, and the announcer will say things like, "Oh, really smart move there by so-and-so," and you're like, "It's a marble."
0:08:42It's great.
0:08:43Okay, that seems like a lot of fun. I'm gonna have to find one of these.
0:08:49All right, so thank you so much to David for sending in that Snow Talk question.
0:08:55If you would like to send in a question to start the show, just tweet with the hashtag SnowTalk.
0:09:00It'll be included in a list for future consideration.
0:09:03On last week's show, you mentioned that rumors were making you feel some sort of sense of normality, because the rumor mill continues to move on, and it is moving on further.
0:09:14So I wanted to give some additional details and kind of corroborations that came out after Mark Gorman and Debbie Wu's iPhone 12 article from last week.
0:09:23So there is a YouTuber, EverythingApplePro, who has shown off a leaked schematic of the upcoming iPhone 12 Pro Max.
0:09:31This is expected to have been generated sometime in January and was kind of leaked out of Foxconn and given to a case manufacturer.
0:09:38It was then soldered on.
0:09:39So it corroborates a lot of the rumors that we spoke about last week, so we've got the flat sides of the iPhone 12 Pro Max, but the actual device will be thinner down from like it's like a 7.4 millimeters from 8.1 millimeters, but the screen is bigger.
0:09:55So there will be significantly reduced bezels on the next phones, like a 40% reduction based on these schematics, which is really interesting.
0:10:05I didn't really think about the iPhone getting reduced bezels.
0:10:09Like it's a thing that's happening by other manufacturers, but this wasn't really something that I considered.
0:10:14So I'm intrigued to see what that's going to end up looking like and how that's going to be usable if this is the case.
0:10:21Changes to the camera bump.
0:10:23So instead of it being that like multi-tiered thing right now where you've got the square and then the lenses that stick out on the top, that's just going to be flat.
0:10:33And then also something that's intriguing is that the SIM card tray is apparently moving to the other side and there's some kind of connector or some description that appears to be on the other side of the device.
0:10:44Some people are saying it's a smart connector, some people are saying that it isn't, but it's just intriguing to see this device.
0:10:51I think the thing that's the most, I'm most excited about here is like the physical changes.
0:10:56So this one, which is the Pro Max, getting bigger and thinner and the bezels, like I'm really intrigued to see what that ends up looking like.
0:11:05Yeah, I think like we talked about last week, the shape of this is exciting, right?
0:11:13And there have been people have done 3D mock-ups of it was like, okay, so take the iPad Pro design and make it a phone.
0:11:19And what does that look like?
0:11:20And the answer is it looks great.
0:11:21Looks great.
0:11:22Let's do this.
0:11:24So I like to see that it's moving ahead here and global economics aside, which they kind of can't be put aside, right?
0:11:32Like nobody really knows how this is going to go, but this is the kind of thing in the before time that we would have looked at and said, this will also drive a big spike in iPhone sales because it's a substantially new looking iPhone.
0:11:47And a lot of people wait to buy a new iPhone until there's a new looking iPhone that just new specs don't matter to a lot of people.
0:11:56They want one that looks different from their last one.
0:12:00And this is that which is exciting if there are people to buy iPhones, right?
0:12:06Like that's the big question mark.
0:12:08But normally you would look at this and say, this is the kind of iPhone release that drives a sales spike from the iPhone line.
0:12:15I think it will like that people have been saying about this design.
0:12:19And it's interesting because I wouldn't have even as I said, I didn't consider a lot of these changes that it will make the iPhone look even more modern because it will have that really thin bezel design, which is appearing all over the smartphone market right now.
0:12:33Right.
0:12:33So that is an intriguing thing, at least to think that maybe Apple is continuing to push the design language, right?
0:12:40Like if the notch gets smaller and if the bezels get smaller, the screens get bigger, the phones get thinner, like this is going to be this could be a very big year for the iPhone.
0:12:50Or not like, I mean, that's the thing, right?
0:12:54Yeah, it does sound like it.
0:12:56It sounds like in terms of progression of the iPhone that the iPhone 12 that we're going to just so iPhone SE came out, right?
0:13:04And we'll talk about that.
0:13:07But that is a 6, 6S, 7, 8 phone.
0:13:11And then we've got the 10, 10S, 11 Pro design.
0:13:18And this is going to be if these rumors are all right, like that is an era.
0:13:25And then this is a new era where they don't look like that.
0:13:29So we're moving every time that happens, it's a big deal.
0:13:32Yeah.
0:13:34And that sounds like, you know, and then yes, there's also the 10R11 kind of style that continues to exist and it sounds like will continue to exist.
0:13:43But they're iterating and moving us away from the iPhone 10, we could call it, style.
0:13:50Yeah.
0:13:50And that's a big deal because that doesn't, every year people expect Apple to do it.
0:13:55But Apple doesn't do that every year.
0:13:58Apple does that every three or four years.
0:14:00And this would be, I think, like more iteration than the iPhone 6 design got.
0:14:05Right.
0:14:06Like I think over the life of the iPhone 10 design, it feels like it might go through more iterations that way.
0:14:11So that's intriguing.
0:14:14Like they're moving, I think from my perspective, they're moving to a different physical design and an adaptive physical design quicker than I thought they would have when the iPhone 10 was first introduced.
0:14:27There was also a report from German and Wu at Bloomberg about Apple's high-end headphones, the upcoming headphones, the head pods.
0:14:34And apparently they're going to include interchangeable parts.
0:14:38So a quote from the article, the ear pads and headband padding attached to the frame with the use of magnets so they can be replaced by the user.
0:14:48Prototypes of the headphones have a retro look of oval shaped ear cups that swivel and a headband connected by thin metal arms.
0:14:56The arms stem from the top of the ear cups rather than from the sides.
0:14:59This is not the design language I was expecting, but now I've heard it, it makes more sense.
0:15:06I was assuming that it would be plastic, that these headphones would be plastic to match the kind of AirPods style.
0:15:15But then when I now I think about that, I was like, oh no, they will look like Beats and Apple probably doesn't want to do that.
0:15:23So this is going to be a very different looking thing with more metal in them than I would have expected, at least exposed.
0:15:31There is expected, there is predicted to be two models of these headphones, one with premium fabrics and one with lighter breathable materials for sports.
0:15:41But you may be able to kind of Apple Watch style by these interchangeable parts and just swap them out for what you're doing.
0:15:48So this is becoming a more interesting and I think advanced product than I was expecting it to be based on this report.
0:15:57Mm-hmm. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I'm kind of proceeding under the assumption now that we're watching Apple taking a multi-stage process to, with the success of AirPods, to basically say, you know, it's time to make a line of headphones branded as Apple and then Beats can go away.
0:16:17You think that they'll have Beats go away?
0:16:19Ultimately, I do. I think it'll take time. But I think step one is can the Apple brand handle its own headphone line?
0:16:31Yeah.
0:16:31Because the AirPods, as we've talked about before, the AirPods has been so successful. It's one of their most successful products. Why would you not put your foot to the gas there and say like more, do as many as we can?
0:16:43But I think if they can do that, it does call into question why the Beats line exists because they could just integrate the same kind of product line.
0:16:52You know, maybe, maybe not. But in the long run, Apple has not shown that they're really great at maintaining a, you know, a parallel brand that's not an Apple brand but is owned and operated by Apple, especially if Apple also makes products in that category.
0:17:06I just don't see how that can withstand in the long run. But again, it doesn't have to be this year. It could be a few years down the line as they, you know, the right way to do it would probably be to just grow the Apple headphones line to the point where the Beats line doesn't make sense anymore.
0:17:23Instead of having people sort of be sad that it's gone, they won't care because all the Apple products are there.
0:17:30Yeah, I think they will probably keep Beats around until that point, right, but they're not going to keep that brand around if it's being absolutely, you know, eaten alive by the AirPods and AirPods products, right, like that line of products or like, you know, all the other things that moves around it.
0:17:48So like the headphones and potentially sport versions of all of those devices, because, you know, as you say, if Apple's onto a winner, they'll just keep pushing it and see how many types of headphones they can make with this technology because the brand is so strong that it's almost iPod like, right, with how strong the AirPods brand is.
0:18:08They'll just keep pushing it. I mean, I'm intrigued to see what they will actually call these over ears. Like, I don't know how they would include an AirPods name into them, but I wouldn't be surprised if they did, right?
0:18:22Yeah. No, I think it's most likely just because the brand name is so strong that they'll be, you know, Apple, you know, AirPods Complete or AirPods X or AirPods Plus. Yeah, I mean, that's what it'll be. And people will be like, "Well, wait, I thought AirPods meant little things you stick in your ears." And Apple will say, "Not anymore."
0:18:42It means whatever we want it to. Yeah, because that's the truth of it, right, is people will be like, "Well, actually, we define AirPods as being..." and Apple will be like, "Mm, no. Mm." And then everybody else will be like, "All right, I guess that's not what it means anymore."
0:18:56It's their word. It's their product. If they redefine it, people will just go along with it. Like, I mean, it's not... they couldn't... they're not going to make over-ear headphones and call them, like, "Mac Pro," right?
0:19:07That... okay, that would be silly. But to say these are... these are also headphones, but they're different and they're also AirPods because that's the product line we have, people will go along with it. It's not a big deal.
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0:20:42So you had a post go up a couple of days ago about Mac battery health. Can you explain what this is all about?
0:20:50Yes, I won Tech Meme, Myke.
0:20:53Tip!
0:20:54Yeah, it was kind of weird. So yeah, there was a minor... Let's back it up. Apple put a new feature in Mac OS, but they put it in the developer beta, the second developer beta of 10.15.5.
0:21:08But I'll tell you, Apple has gotten a lot more savvy about accepting the fact that when they do a secret feature in a developer release, everybody will know about it immediately.
0:21:20Like, the final release is not the time if you want to break the news. So they broke the news alongside the developer preview release of 10.15.5.
0:21:34Also, the other piece of this puzzle is, if you recall back a few years, Apple got in a lot of trouble by making changes to the way batteries work on the iPhone and not telling anybody.
0:21:46And then people noticed things were different and they started asking questions and it became like a little mini scandal.
0:21:52And then you had to do all the battery replacements for like super cheap.
0:21:55Exactly. So I think Apple learned the lesson there that you should be pretty transparent about making changes that involve batteries.
0:22:05If they hadn't learned that lesson, something terrible would happen. Right?
0:22:10It seemed pretty obvious that that was something they should pay attention to for the future just because of how much...
0:22:16It really played into the idea of Apple making your devices worse. That is like this conspiracy theory that people have that they believe is that planned obsolescence thing.
0:22:27And that story really fed into that, didn't it?
0:22:31Oh, and those people are still like... The conspiracy theories are still out there.
0:22:35Anyway, so what Apple did was Apple released this developer release and alongside it they briefed some people, including me, about what was in it.
0:22:46And what was in it is a new feature called Battery Health Management.
0:22:49So essentially what they've done is they've changed the default charging behavior on MacBooks that have Thunderbolt 3 ports.
0:22:57So it's Touch Bar era MacBook Pros and the Retina MacBook Air.
0:23:04So you don't have to have a Touch Bar on your MacBook Pro. It could be the MacBook Escape that didn't have one.
0:23:08But it's from that era forward and the Retina MacBook Air.
0:23:12So you've got to have Thunderbolt 3 ports and all of those now have a totally different charging algorithm, basically.
0:23:21And they're looking at the temperature of the battery and they're looking at your history of when you charge it and how deep you deplete it when you're using it.
0:23:30And the way I read this is they were unhappy with the way Mac OS handled laptops sitting in a semi-permanent plugged-in state, right?
0:23:45Which a lot of laptops do. They're sitting on your desk and they're always plugged in and occasionally you'll disconnect it.
0:23:53And when you do, you disconnect it and you use it somewhere and you drain it 5% or 15% and then you plug it back in.
0:24:00And batteries, although we like to think of computers as these wonderful binary devices, batteries are messy chemistry.
0:24:08And that kind of cycle is really bad for the battery chemistry.
0:24:13So what Apple has done is in those kinds of scenarios when it analyzes the battery use,
0:24:22it's changing the battery charging system to not charge that battery as aggressively to full.
0:24:32And this is not anything new. I mean, if you've got... I have an electric car.
0:24:37It very clearly says that if you want the battery to last a long time, charge it routinely to 80% and not 100%.
0:24:43Also, if you have a MacBook Pro that you charge up and then you take and use and deplete its battery and then bring it back and charge it up again,
0:24:52the battery health management system is going to look at that and say, "That's fine. Keep doing what you're doing."
0:24:58But in these certain circumstances, it's going to try to optimize the long-term life of a battery in a Mac laptop
0:25:05by not as aggressively charging it to full when it's sitting there.
0:25:11And by the way, the iPhone does this now to a certain extent.
0:25:16Like even when you see it at 100%, it's not always actually at 100%.
0:25:23And that's because it would be terrible for the battery if it charged it to 100% and then just kind of left it there and kept pushing it up to 100%.
0:25:31So there's a range at the top of the battery scale where Apple will let the battery deplete a little bit
0:25:38and then will recharge it in order to keep the battery life better.
0:25:42But the challenge is that from the user's perspective, it's like, "But wait a second. I want 100%.
0:25:48Why is it not fully charged after it's sat on the charger all night?"
0:25:51And the answer is because you can't do it that way.
0:25:54And ideally, you've got some intelligence in the software that says, "What you want is for it to be fully charged in the morning,
0:26:00and we'll charge it then, but we're not going to keep it fully charged all night because that's really bad for the battery."
0:26:07So that all said, on the Mac, the Mac has a lot of preferences, so you can turn it off.
0:26:14And so if you are uncomfortable with this idea or if you're at a moment where you're like,
0:26:19"Yeah, but I really need it to be at 100% tomorrow because I'm going on a long trip somewhere."
0:26:25Let's imagine, won't we? Imagine going on a long journey somewhere.
0:26:30It'll happen again someday. You could turn this off and then it'll charge to 100%.
0:26:35But by default, this feature is on on these particular modern Mac laptops.
0:26:41And what Apple says is the whole idea here is just to make the battery last a lot longer.
0:26:46And the conspiracy theorists will say, "Oh, well, this is just Apple saving itself money
0:26:50because it's not going to have to replace those batteries at the cost of the user's battery life on their computer."
0:26:57I don't think that's really accurate because when you talk about long-term battery life,
0:27:03you're talking beyond the warranty period of a laptop.
0:27:06So I think what Apple's really doing is saying, "We don't want to get a reputation of our laptops' batteries dying
0:27:13after three or four years when they really should last five or six years."
0:27:18And the way we do that is we need to charge them better in the meantime.
0:27:22So I don't think this is a big conspiracy where Apple's saving itself warranty replacements on batteries
0:27:28because if your battery needs a replacement in your MacBook's warranty, something is wrong with your battery.
0:27:34That shouldn't happen. But I do think that this is--I mean, Apple's not acting entirely altruistically here
0:27:43because it's a big corporation, but I think it's more about the product should have a longer life than it does.
0:27:49They're not making their money--any money that they're making charging you for an out-of-warranty battery replacement
0:27:56is not going to offset people being unhappy with their product experience
0:28:01because they had to do an out-of-warranty battery replacement.
0:28:04I think that's what their rationale is behind the scenes here.
0:28:08As I expect that this thing is becoming more of a concern or like a thing that Apple feels the requirement to address
0:28:17because of Thunderbolt, because if you plug in a lot of devices now, it will charge your laptop, right?
0:28:27And that's the thing. Like if you have your monitor powered and then your Thunderbolt cable comes from the monitor to your laptop,
0:28:33it's also going to charge the laptop, and that may not have been the case before with just a monitor cable, right?
0:28:39I don't think people generally are driving an external monitor from their laptop without plugging in their laptop.
0:28:44I think that they were always plugging in their laptop. But I do think this has always been an issue, and I think Apple--
0:28:50seriously, I think what happened is normally this would just be a different algorithm that they'd put in Mac OS.
0:28:57They'd be like, "We're going to change it." They wouldn't tell anybody.
0:29:00They'd be like, "Hey, the guys over at the battery department have figured out this better way of doing this,
0:29:05so we're going to roll that into an update."
0:29:07And after what happened a couple years ago with the whole kerfuffle about the iPhone battery, they can't do that anymore.
0:29:17They don't feel like they can be safe because the conspiracy theorists will come out of the woodwork, right?
0:29:22They have to announce it, so they announced it. But on one level, it's really not that big a deal.
0:29:28It is Apple tweaking its charging system. It does that. It does that all the time.
0:29:34I mean, maybe not all the time, but it's done that a lot over the course of the life of Mac OS X.
0:29:39But this one they're announcing, and it does have one pretty notable effect,
0:29:44which is if you leave your laptop plugged in all the time, and you expect that the moment--
0:29:50the rare, possibly, but the moment that you unplug it and walk away, it will be charged 100%
0:29:57so that you can get all of that life out of it because you really need it. It won't, necessarily.
0:30:04That's the big change, and there's a box you can check.
0:30:08I wish there was even something simpler that Apple doesn't seem to have built in,
0:30:14but that probably a third party will, which is more like what I have on my electric car,
0:30:19which is you press the button and say, "This time I want it to charge all the way."
0:30:23And then you unplug it and you walk away, and the next time you come back,
0:30:27it's back to the old behavior, and Apple hasn't set it up that way.
0:30:30You basically have to turn this feature off.
0:30:33I understand more why you would definitely want to override that with an electric car
0:30:38because it could be much more problematic for you if you can't have the battery at full,
0:30:44like if you're going somewhere and you calculate it, right?
0:30:48I need the battery full to make it there and back.
0:30:51But I think it also would be good to be able to more easily do that, right?
0:30:55Like in the menu bar or something, to just hit a button to select the battery percentage
0:31:01to say, "Charge me to 100."
0:31:03But maybe that's more meddling than most people need.
0:31:09I think Apple doesn't want that because Apple wants you to just leave it on.
0:31:13But I can see the appeal of saying, "Can you fill the battery up this time?"
0:31:18And then I'm going to walk away because I'm going on a trip or something,
0:31:21and I want to leave it overnight to charge fully so that in the morning,
0:31:26I can put it in my bag at 5 a.m. and go to the airport, and it'll be charged 100%.
0:31:31But I get the idea that they want this thing on by default.
0:31:39It's a little like natural scrolling too, which is like,
0:31:42"We've completely changed the way your mouse works, and it's the right way."
0:31:47So it's on by default.
0:31:49But you can turn it off if you want to do it the wrong way.
0:31:52It's fine.
0:31:53And it's a very Apple kind of -- and I appreciate that, right?
0:31:56Because the alternative is that they don't give you the choice.
0:31:58So I appreciate that in a sub-window of the Energy Saver System Preferences pane,
0:32:05there's a box that is "Battery Health Management," and you can say,
0:32:09"No, Apple, do not manage my battery's health."
0:32:12And the feature gets turned off, and it reverts the old behavior.
0:32:15So when people upgrade to 10.15.5, when that comes out,
0:32:19it will enable this by default for everybody?
0:32:22By default, yeah.
0:32:23So it's in the Developer Beta now, it'll roll out in the Public Beta,
0:32:26and then there will be a 10.15.5 update for everybody using Catalina,
0:32:30at which point this will become your default, and then you can turn it off.
0:32:34And does the system notify you about this change?
0:32:37I don't know.
0:32:38My guess is not.
0:32:39My guess is that it will not notify you beyond saying in the changed notes
0:32:43that they've added this feature.
0:32:45Which is probably why they spoke to people like you, right?
0:32:48Because the people that are more likely to be upset about this
0:32:51are also the same people that would be paying attention to the media,
0:32:55the technology press, right?
0:32:57So then you may as well get the message out now,
0:32:59so you have the opportunity to have learned about this,
0:33:02otherwise you probably won't ever notice it.
0:33:04Right.
0:33:05And I think also that's why it's the default,
0:33:10is Apple strongly feels this is the right way to do it,
0:33:13and so they're going to turn it on.
0:33:14And if you don't care and you don't notice and whatever,
0:33:16it's just going to be there, and your battery is going to last longer.
0:33:19And that's what they want.
0:33:20So that's the story here.
0:33:23It will be interesting to see if somebody gins up a YouTube video
0:33:28or something about the horror of, "I charged my MacBook all night
0:33:31and then I walked away and it only had 80% battery,"
0:33:33or something like that.
0:33:34Well, that happens anyway, but it's all about one of those things.
0:33:36It's true.
0:33:37Like anybody cares about them if we already knew about them.
0:33:40Yeah.
0:33:41Well, I think that is the advantage.
0:33:44And this is, I think, the ultimate lesson learned by Apple
0:33:47about the battery scandal with the iPhone.
0:33:51Battery gate.
0:33:52Was that the name, battery gate?
0:33:54I don't know.
0:33:55Scandal gate, battery scandal gate, Apple scandal,
0:33:57battery gate gate?
0:34:00I don't know.
0:34:01The names are dumb.
0:34:02But the lesson learned is, you know how you stop the conspiracy theorists
0:34:10and the ugly reveals and the class action lawsuits and all that?
0:34:14You can't stop them.
0:34:15How you minimize them is you be more transparent.
0:34:19I mean, that's the answer.
0:34:20If you don't tell anybody because you don't think it's a big deal,
0:34:23and then it turns out it's a big deal, or even a minor deal,
0:34:26then it blows up in your face.
0:34:27But if you just talk to a few journalists when your public beta
0:34:31or your developer beta comes out and says, "Yeah, we changed the battery setting."
0:34:35And it gets to top of tech meme, and they say, "See, there it is."
0:34:42Then when somebody else--
0:34:44There's no benefit to breaking that story later because it already broke.
0:34:48This is the way it is now.
0:34:50And people can debate it, but it's not the same as a secret being revealed.
0:34:54And the fact is, Apple needs to do more of their defensive PR
0:34:59because people are on the offensive trying to find those things about Apple
0:35:04and Apple's decisions.
0:35:05And so I take this as actually kind of a good sign of that
0:35:08because we can talk about the defensive PR
0:35:11and people being on the offensive trying to find things that are wrong with Apple,
0:35:14but if you're a user of the products, Apple being clearer about what they're doing,
0:35:20I think is good.
0:35:21Like, that's good.
0:35:23Yes, tell us you made a change.
0:35:25Tell us why you made it.
0:35:27And better yet, give us a box to turn it off,
0:35:31and we move on with our lives.
0:35:33Great.
0:35:35Before we take our next break, I have a few headlines about Apple and COVID-19.
0:35:39So remember the face shield design that they made, like that face shield?
0:35:44Apple has now actually published the design and specification of this face shield
0:35:49for other manufacturers to make,
0:35:51but this page is full of warnings basically saying,
0:35:55unless you have professional level expertise in manufacturing,
0:36:00please don't make this.
0:36:02So I think what they're saying is if you have a 3D printer, don't do this.
0:36:05Or don't try and cut this out with a piece of plastic.
0:36:08They have published a reference design for other manufacturers to make
0:36:13if they haven't already made a design of their own,
0:36:16which is a great thing to have.
0:36:18It's like, look, we did this. We know it works.
0:36:20If you have the tools, you can take our design and make it
0:36:23rather than also needing to test and that kind of stuff.
0:36:27So that's available.
0:36:29Apple is publishing anonymized data displaying how its users are using Apple Maps.
0:36:35They're publishing trend graphs of navigation requests
0:36:38by walking, driving, or public transport.
0:36:40So you can go to this website, which I'll put in the show notes.
0:36:43It's apple.com/covid19/mobility,
0:36:47and you can enter in your city and you can see on a graph
0:36:51how these requests are changing.
0:36:53So it was fascinating for me to go to this website
0:36:56and type in London and see the huge decline in requests from the baseline.
0:37:03We're like minus 87% transit right now.
0:37:07Now, of course, what Apple is doing here is
0:37:10the best thing that they can do without there being privacy issues,
0:37:14which is to not be tracking people.
0:37:18So it's like they're not tracking who's using maps just in general
0:37:22or tracking people as they're moving around.
0:37:24It's just like requests for navigation.
0:37:27So the data isn't complete.
0:37:29You're not getting in that the people that are traveling by train every day
0:37:33or car every day who know their journey,
0:37:36that aren't needing to check how to get to a place.
0:37:40But you're seeing a lot of people and it gives you an idea.
0:37:43It's just an interesting thing to have.
0:37:45They're also offering this data for download
0:37:47if you want to analyze it and use it in other forms, which is interesting.
0:37:51And finally, Tim Cook recently held a virtual meeting with Apple employees
0:37:55to update them on how the company is dealing with all of this.
0:37:58He stated that while this will affect Apple financially,
0:38:02they see no long-term concern for the company, obviously,
0:38:05because they have all the cash in the world.
0:38:07They are continuing to heavily invest in research and development
0:38:10during this period of time.
0:38:12And Cook says he doesn't know when Apple employees can return to offices,
0:38:16but when they can, he will be checking -- not he, I don't know.
0:38:22Maybe Tim will be at the door.
0:38:24I'm Tim. I need to take your temperature.
0:38:26That's what they'll be doing, checking temperatures and mandating social distancing.
0:38:29Tim, I'm your CEO if you're the company that employs you.
0:38:31Tim is my name if you need that.
0:38:33Stand far away from me and stick out your tongue.
0:38:35This is not a gun.
0:38:38I'm doing Bill Clinton now.
0:38:40This is not a gun. This is a temperature taker from remote distances.
0:38:43And yet you're fine. Move along.
0:38:44This is Tim. I'm Tim, by the way.
0:38:46We're all going to have to start getting used to having our temperature taken
0:38:48at weird places and weird times, right?
0:38:50Well, the problem is that with the asymptomatic nature of this,
0:38:53I'm not sure temperature taking is going to be the solution.
0:38:55I do wonder if what they're really going to end up having to do
0:38:58is do antibody screenings, basically, and say, you know,
0:39:03we checked and you've got the antibodies or whatever it is to let people go back.
0:39:08Ultimately, we will have to do this.
0:39:09It's hard.
0:39:10Yeah, this is a hard one because just taking a temperature is not --
0:39:13it could be something, but it may not be sufficient.
0:39:17And then Apple's got this beautiful new campus, which is huge,
0:39:20but also is like giant open plan and all of that.
0:39:24So, you know, how do they mandate social distancing?
0:39:27And are they going to set up like little desks out in the inside of the ring,
0:39:32like out in the fields, out where they had that rock concert?
0:39:36Are there people going to be out there in like little tents?
0:39:38Weather's getting nicer, so.
0:39:40Yeah, they could. They could.
0:39:42It's going to be a real challenge when they do come back.
0:39:44And it is very much -- Apple's a rich company.
0:39:46They have lots of money.
0:39:47Investing through a downturn is a thing that they do and they have done,
0:39:50and they have an advantage over some other parts of the market
0:39:55in that they can just keep spending money at a time when other people
0:39:59are not spending money and they can turn it to their advantage.
0:40:02That said, you know, this is going in some weird ways
0:40:06and it's going to interfere with a lot of their culture.
0:40:11And so that's a thing that they're really going to have to manage,
0:40:15and including like how do they get people back in their buildings or do they?
0:40:19And how does that work?
0:40:20Because Apple's so committed to having people work -- to a fault, I would say,
0:40:25and having people work locally at places like, you know,
0:40:28at Apple Park and Infinite Loop and places like that.
0:40:31And do they rethink that?
0:40:34Or is this all just a way to get everybody packed back into those spaces
0:40:38because that's the way that they think it has to be to be at their best?
0:40:41I don't know.
0:40:42I think a way a lot of companies could do this, and may,
0:40:45and Apple could be one of them, is like, well,
0:40:47everyone's working at home now, which means you can do that.
0:40:50So just have like half of the employees come back, you know,
0:40:53and then you have the space, right, to have everyone be further apart
0:40:58from each other.
0:40:59So you just bring back the people that must be in the office
0:41:01to get their work done effectively and keep everybody else at home.
0:41:05And that will give you the space inside of your buildings
0:41:07to make sure that people are spaced out from each other a little better.
0:41:10It's going to make meetings really weird, though.
0:41:13Yeah, it could also be, you know, this group comes in Mondays and Wednesdays,
0:41:19and this group comes in Tuesdays and Thursdays,
0:41:22and so the groups can be near, but not too near, each other
0:41:26who work together and need to see each other and then these other groups.
0:41:30It's not ideal.
0:41:31I keep thinking that that's what's going to happen with schools, too.
0:41:36Like, I try to imagine my son going back to high school in the fall,
0:41:40and I start to think, you know, they're not going to get 30 kids in a classroom.
0:41:43That seems unlikely to me.
0:41:44But I could see them having half the kids come in on two days a week
0:41:49and the other half come in the other two days a week,
0:41:51and that's not great, but like I feel like those scenarios are all going to be in play.
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0:43:30iPhone SE.
0:43:32So this appeared last week and went up for sale, pre-order, I should say.
0:43:38I think they start delivering at the end of this week.
0:43:40I'll give a very quick rundown of the headlines of this device,
0:43:44and then we can talk about our thoughts on it in a little more detail.
0:43:47So it is a 4.7-inch display.
0:43:50It's the iPhone 8 design for the iPhone SE now.
0:43:53People were wondering if this was going to be called the iPhone 9
0:43:56or if it was going to be some kind of different design.
0:43:58No, it is the iPhone 8 with a new name.
0:44:01It comes in black, white, and red.
0:44:04And product red donations from the red model are now going towards coronavirus,
0:44:08which is interesting.
0:44:09It's been AIDS research forever, right? Product red.
0:44:12But right now it's going towards tackling coronavirus.
0:44:15This phone obviously features Touch ID.
0:44:18It has a single 12-megapixel rear camera that now has portrait mode.
0:44:22The previous SE did not.
0:44:24One of the really interesting things about this device is it features an A13 chip,
0:44:29which is the same as in the iPhone 11 and iPhone 11 Pro.
0:44:32It features haptic touch, not 3D touch.
0:44:35It features dual SIM support and starts at $399.
0:44:40I would say this is the SE that we thought it would be.
0:44:44I want to say that at some point I landed on that it would be called the SE
0:44:50and not the 9, mostly because the 9 sounded like going backward.
0:44:53And literally it is the iPhone SE playbook.
0:44:56It is what they did four years ago with the iPhone SE, which is, all right,
0:45:00we are still selling a low-priced phone down at the bottom of our price line
0:45:05that's an old model.
0:45:06It's too old now.
0:45:08The processor is too old.
0:45:09It needs a spec update.
0:45:11But we don't really want to put a lot of effort into this because it's this old design
0:45:17and we're so proud of our new designs.
0:45:19So here's what we're going to do.
0:45:21We're going to take the old design and we're going to stick some upgraded hardware in it,
0:45:26including the most recent, the current processor.
0:45:30And then that one will sit there for another four years and be our low-priced phone.
0:45:37And they did it.
0:45:38That's exactly what they did four years ago.
0:45:40That's what they're doing now.
0:45:41And it means that right now the iPhone SE is an incredible value.
0:45:45It will be less of an incredible value in three years when it's the exact same model
0:45:50that they introduced last week, still on sale.
0:45:54But right now, and if you're on this cycle, if you're on the kind of SE cycle,
0:45:59which there almost is now, we've seen it twice, this is the perfect time to buy this phone
0:46:04because for what you get for $399, it's a spectacularly good deal.
0:46:10And this is one of those cases where I've seen a bunch of videos from people who cover all the phone market
0:46:18and they look at this phone and say, "It's kind of hard to believe because this is such a great deal."
0:46:22There are other Android phones that are like premium but for a good price kind of phones.
0:46:28But then there's this thing, which is, you know, good camera, does single-camera portrait mode.
0:46:36It's got the same chip as the 11.
0:46:40It's got Touch ID for people who don't want to go to Face ID.
0:46:43Like there's so much to be said for it.
0:46:45It's not the cutting edge phone at the top of Apple's product line that a lot of our listeners are going to buy.
0:46:51But I would wager that a lot of our listeners know people who would really love this
0:46:57and think that this should be their next iPhone.
0:47:00My dad texted me last night and told me that he bought one.
0:47:03There you go.
0:47:05So he was on the SE before and he is a carpenter and so his phone was just full of sawdust.
0:47:12It was so sad.
0:47:13He couldn't take pictures because the camera was just completely full.
0:47:17And he told me, "Oh, I got it for £17 a month from Apple for two years, interest-free credit."
0:47:28And that is an unbelievable deal.
0:47:32For two years, he's paying £17 a month.
0:47:35People that buy the iPhone SE will keep it for two years.
0:47:40For sure at least.
0:47:42He's had his for three or four years now.
0:47:44£17 a month.
0:47:47He got the 64GB because he's fine with that.
0:47:51Also, he didn't consult me on any of this but he got the 64GB which is great.
0:47:57He is a big iPad Pro user, my dad, which was a big surprise to me when he bought one of those out of the blue.
0:48:03He calls it his pad.
0:48:05My dad's not very technologically savvy which is why anytime he makes any of these decisions on his own, it's always a surprise to me.
0:48:11I also just don't know where he's getting this information from.
0:48:14But £17 a month for two years, interest-free, that is 2020 Apple in a nutshell.
0:48:23They have options on price for the iPhone and you can get them direct from Apple on these discount deals.
0:48:30You could go to buy any new Apple device now and the first question is are you trading one in?
0:48:36This is the new Apple.
0:48:39This is the post Angela Ahrendts Apple.
0:48:42It was dictated that we have to change because the iPhone sales were down.
0:48:47We've spoken about this a million times on this show.
0:48:50I'm sure we're going to have a great time talking about the next earnings which are in a couple of weeks.
0:48:54These are going to be fun ones.
0:48:57But I just found that value, that $399 price, it's a big deal.
0:49:04It's a big deal.
0:49:06I saw somebody say on Twitter for $750 you can get one of these and an Apple Watch Series 3 and a pair of AirPods.
0:49:14That's pretty incredible.
0:49:18I did a chart last week on Friday that was the currently available from Apple iPhones.
0:49:26You can see there's the SE and there's the XR which is still for sale and then there's the 11 and they kind of escalate.
0:49:36Then there's this big gap and then there's the 11 Pro and the 11 Pro Max.
0:49:41That's Apple knowing who its different audiences are and making phones available for all of them.
0:49:50So you can just kind of go through the price line up to a point and then there's a big leap.
0:49:55Literally at that point it's would you like a $1,000 phone or is that ridiculous?
0:49:59If you say, "Well, what's in the $1,000 phone?" Well, they got you.
0:50:03But a lot of people be like, "No, no. What do you have for $400?"
0:50:08"Well, we got this one." Which keep in mind a few years ago would have been the top of the line iPhone.
0:50:15It has the top of the line iPhone processor because it's the only processor that they're putting in all of those phones.
0:50:22So it's yeah.
0:50:25So I think it's a pretty great deal. I'm pleased to see that they've done it.
0:50:28I know that there are people that were in the SE lifestyle that are not getting what they wanted which was a small phone.
0:50:36It is the smallest phone but it is not a small phone anymore.
0:50:41But this is unfortunately the march of progress I guess.
0:50:47If there was a big enough market Apple would get to it.
0:50:52I think what it just shows is that their data makes them believe that they should just keep making phones bigger.
0:50:57But we'll see.
0:51:00There's rumors of different line ups this year and size wise.
0:51:04But overall all of the phones that they release will be bigger than the old SE.
0:51:09They're not going back to that size anymore.
0:51:12I think I saw some developers as well saying that they were so happy to see this going away.
0:51:18Because just developing and keeping in mind that tiny screen is really difficult now.
0:51:25If you're developing an app in 2020 for the 2020 phones and still needing to support the iPhone SE screen size.
0:51:33Things get really complicated today.
0:51:36So they kind of moved their stuff on.
0:51:38Yeah the whole operating system has moved on and the third party development has moved on.
0:51:42Listen to developers we know talk about it.
0:51:45It has to go away because the range of screen sizes is so broad.
0:51:50It's very difficult for developers to fit things on that screen and also have good UI in all of the larger screens.
0:51:57And it's a diminishing size of the market so there's only so much effort they're going to put into how it looks on those screens.
0:52:03So it kind of has to go away.
0:52:05When Apple put up the pre-orders for the iPhone SE or the page itself when they announced that the product was live.
0:52:14They also put up pre-orders for the Magic Keyboard for iPad Pro.
0:52:18Which is many weeks ahead of when we were expecting it.
0:52:21This was supposed to be a May product.
0:52:23But it will now be for many an April product.
0:52:26Unfortunately they are arriving with people today but neither me or Jason has one.
0:52:31Mine is going to be here sometime this week.
0:52:35I think yours is arriving sometime in the next couple of weeks.
0:52:38Who knows.
0:52:39Who knows.
0:52:40It's a very wide window.
0:52:41So I ordered I woke up and saw that it had been turned on for orders and ordered one.
0:52:46But who knows when it will show up.
0:52:48But they're arriving now.
0:52:50There's been some reviews mostly from video producers.
0:52:54I haven't seen anybody who doesn't make video not have one of these.
0:52:57Which is you know like I haven't seen any purely written reviews of this product.
0:53:01There seems to be video all over the place.
0:53:03And they're also arriving with customers as well.
0:53:06So there's a bunch of details.
0:53:08I cannot wait to get my hands on it.
0:53:11Because even in the details that we're getting I still feel like I can't understand exactly how this thing will feel until I use it myself.
0:53:20But the general kind of consensus is that it is well built.
0:53:24That it is a very serious piece of equipment.
0:53:28Like it does not flex.
0:53:29It is heavy.
0:53:30Heavy.
0:53:31So the 11 inch is 600 grams.
0:53:34The 11 inch keyboard.
0:53:36So to put this in perspective the 11 inch iPad Pro is 471 grams.
0:53:41The 12.9 inch version is 710 grams.
0:53:46Compared to the iPad which is 641.
0:53:49The package of the 12.9 inch Magic Keyboard and 12.9 inch iPad Pro are heavier than a MacBook.
0:53:56An approaching 13 inch MacBook.
0:53:58Now I just want to say this because people are like "Oh it's as heavy as a laptop."
0:54:02It's the same thing with the Brydge keyboards that we've been talking about for years now.
0:54:07And my point with the Brydge keyboards and I'll reiterate it now.
0:54:11Is it's not a crime to turn an iPad into a laptop and have it weigh what a laptop would weigh.
0:54:19Because at that point it's a laptop.
0:54:22And you know, let's not also leave out that there's also a lighter keyboard cover that Apple makes that's not as heavy as a laptop.
0:54:32If you want that.
0:54:33And it's a compromise in terms of the experience.
0:54:36But it's better in terms of the weight.
0:54:38So you can make a decision there.
0:54:40But it's not because what really bugs me is there's this Mac chauvinism that they believe that the only reason you would use an iPad is because it's lighter than a laptop.
0:54:54Because otherwise why wouldn't you just use a laptop.
0:54:57Laptops are fundamentally better.
0:54:59The only reason that you're using the iPad is because it's not a laptop.
0:55:02And that's not true.
0:55:04When you're using the iPad as a laptop if it weighs as much as a laptop that's fine.
0:55:08Like I don't mind that my iPad and Brydge keyboard put together weigh as much as a 13-inch MacBook Pro.
0:55:15Because it is a 13-inch laptop at that point. Of course it does.
0:55:18And also there's just the physics of having to keep it all from flopping over backward.
0:55:22The keyboard has to weigh more.
0:55:24So I don't think it's that big a deal.
0:55:26And the clincher is, of course, you take one hand and you pop the iPad off and you walk away.
0:55:32And now it doesn't weigh what a MacBook Pro weighs.
0:55:34Whereas you can't tear the screen off a MacBook Pro and use it.
0:55:39So people are going to be hysterical about this.
0:55:41I'm not surprised at all.
0:55:43These are heavy.
0:55:44I'm especially not surprised because Apple won't talk about how heavy they are.
0:55:48They don't want to talk about it.
0:55:50But of course they are.
0:55:51When you attach an iPad to one of these keyboards you're making a laptop.
0:55:55You're making an 11 or 13-inch laptop.
0:55:57And it weighs what it weighs.
0:56:00But what you get for that is all of these features.
0:56:02And if you don't like that, you know what?
0:56:05They make the Smart Keyboard Folio.
0:56:07That's a lot lighter.
0:56:08Or you don't use the keyboard at all if you don't want to use a keyboard with it.
0:56:12Or you attach a USB keyboard in a stand.
0:56:15The beauty of the iPad is that you can choose all of these different scenarios.
0:56:20But there hasn't been a first-party scenario.
0:56:24And there hasn't been a good scenario with a pointing device before now.
0:56:29And so this product fills that gap.
0:56:31So the more I read about this, the more I think,
0:56:34this is exactly what I've been using the Brydge keyboard to do.
0:56:39Which is, in certain circumstances, like when I'm traveling,
0:56:42or I'm going outside, or going to other places, which, again, remember that?
0:56:46Remember going to other places?
0:56:48I would use this because I wanted a writing tool.
0:56:52I wanted a laptop.
0:56:54And then the beauty of it is then you take it off and it's not that anymore.
0:56:57And this seems to be pretty much the same thing.
0:56:59It transforms your iPad into a laptop for as long as you need it to be.
0:57:03We have been talking on this show for a while about knowing that this had to be a heavy product.
0:57:10Otherwise it's not going to work as advertised, right?
0:57:14And we know this from having used, as you say, products similar to this one for quite a while.
0:57:21And it is exactly that idea that it needs to be heavy because I want it to be a laptop.
0:57:30That's the point.
0:57:32That's kind of what I'm trying to make it.
0:57:35I want the laptop form factor and I want everything that gives me.
0:57:39That's why I would say be skeptical about anybody who looks at this product
0:57:43and starts talking about how the iPad shouldn't be a laptop,
0:57:48or stuff like that because that's wrong.
0:57:53The idea of the iPad is it can be what you want it to be.
0:57:57And one of those things that some people want it to be sometimes is a laptop.
0:58:02And this is, as far as I can tell, having not used one,
0:58:05it looks like it might be the best way ever to use the iPad as a laptop.
0:58:12And that's great.
0:58:14So one of the things that I especially have been wondering about
0:58:18is how much adjustability is in the design.
0:58:22How far can I push it back and forward?
0:58:26And it basically seems like you have the range of from about 90 to 130 degrees in angle.
0:58:34Most people are saying that practically it goes back as far as the old Smart Keyboard Folio did.
0:58:41That's the maximum, how far it will go back.
0:58:45But what you do get, which you don't get with the current products,
0:58:49is anywhere from 90 to that level, you can adjust.
0:58:54So you can adjust it to be as you want it to be.
0:58:58I personally was hoping for a little bit more than that.
0:59:02I wanted it to go back further.
0:59:05So that's a disappointment for me on paper, but I still need to try it.
0:59:10It is higher up, so it's not just about the angle.
0:59:14It's also about the height, and the height makes the angle a little bit more acceptable.
0:59:19But yeah, it turns out we're going to have to get this and try it,
0:59:22because I know that people have been frustrated by the lack of adjustability of the Smart Keyboard Folio,
0:59:27the fact that it only has two angles, one of which is not acceptable for anything except watching a movie,
0:59:33at which point, I mean, I guess if all you have is that case,
0:59:37then that's what you have to do in order to watch a movie.
0:59:39And then the other one is OK, which is the other angle,
0:59:43but it's the only one that's usable, so you use it.
0:59:45It would be nice to have a wider range.
0:59:47And although it has a range where you can adjust between those two points,
0:59:52we'll see if somebody, I think it was Dear Bone at the Verge,
0:59:56said that if you're the kind of person who opens your laptop and pushes the angle of the screen way back,
1:00:02you are going to not get that experience from this.
1:00:05And I understand why in terms of just the physics of the weight of this thing,
1:00:10but it's adjustable only to a point, and that's a fair point.
1:00:15Yeah, like in Dieter's review, he compares it to the Surface,
1:00:20and it's like, well, the Surface goes all the way back.
1:00:22And he likes that because I think he uses it on his desk a lot.
1:00:26But in Sara Dietschy's review, she says, well, you have more adjustability on the Surface,
1:00:31but it's horrible to use in your lap. It's like uncomfortable.
1:00:34Because kickstands stink.
1:00:36Yeah. So there are pros and cons depending on how you're using it.
1:00:40Like if you're just using it on desk and desk-like environments, then the Surface is more flexible.
1:00:46And don't buy this product.
1:00:48If you're just using, and we talked about it here, Myke and I get it, Upgradients get it.
1:00:54If you're just using your iPad on a desk, get a stand.
1:00:58Yeah, you shouldn't be using it in a laptop form factor anyway.
1:01:00And get an external keyboard and get a Magic Trackpad 2, and you're done.
1:01:03You don't need to make it into a laptop.
1:01:05You should make it into a desktop if you're using it on a desk.
1:01:08And then just pop the iPad out and walk away. That's what you should do.
1:01:11But Sara's video made me feel very happy because she handles this device the way I would handle it.
1:01:18Like she just picks up the keyboard part and just like picks it up from the table.
1:01:23And it's just like walking around holding just the keyboard portion, and the whole thing stays together.
1:01:28And that's something that I want. Because that's how I carry laptops around.
1:01:33I just pick it up from the keyboard part, and then it's all stable.
1:01:37Rather than needing to pick up the screen part.
1:01:40So I kind of like that because that's how I want to carry my iPad around when it's in this form factor.
1:01:45So I'm excited for that.
1:01:47I do feel though, after watching these reviews and reading what lots of people are saying about this product who have used it,
1:01:55this feels like a very personal opinion type of device.
1:01:59For sure. Because at its core, the challenge with reviewing something like this is you're not reviewing...
1:02:09Like you review a laptop, you're reviewing 100% of the laptop experience.
1:02:13Maybe you're not reviewing what it's like if you attach an external...
1:02:15You run a lid closed and attach an external keyboard and mouse and stuff.
1:02:19But at that point, what are you even reviewing? It's not even there.
1:02:23But a laptop, the whole laptop experience is in the laptop.
1:02:26With the iPad, this is an accessory to a central product.
1:02:30So it's not for every use case. It's aggressively not for every use case.
1:02:36So what you really need to do is kind of look at it and say, like I just said about if you're using it at a desk, don't use this.
1:02:43I mean, maybe you can, but if all you ever do is use it as a desk, why?
1:02:48You could save a lot of money and get a better experience using something else.
1:02:51It's for a particular use case. And what that means is, it's just like when we would talk about the bridge.
1:02:57It's like people would not get why we had that product.
1:03:00And the answer is because we had a case where it made sense.
1:03:04But not everybody does, right? And there are a lot of people who probably looked at this product and thought,
1:03:09"Oh, this is really exciting. This is awesome. I'm going to get one of these."
1:03:12And it turns out it may not be for you.
1:03:14It doesn't mean it's not a bad product for what it's for, like what it's meant to do.
1:03:20But it's not for a lot of cases. A lot of use cases, the smart keyboard folio is better.
1:03:27Or an external keyboard in a stand is better. Or a bridge keyboard maybe even. I don't know.
1:03:32Not the one with the trackpad though.
1:03:34Not the one with the trackpad though. No.
1:03:37There was two last things I wanted to mention on this before we move on for today.
1:03:42Feature wise is the one-handed removability is a thing.
1:03:47I've watched people do it in videos, like in the marketing video.
1:03:51You can just pick the iPad off the keyboard without touching it.
1:03:55Which we're all wondering, obviously it's going to be heavy to allow that, but is it even possible?
1:04:01Or is that just a cool marketing thing?
1:04:03But no, you can just pick the iPad off of it really easily, which is great.
1:04:06And the trackpad is a physical click, but it works across the entire trackpad.
1:04:12It doesn't work just on the bottom area.
1:04:14And there's two parts to that. One, I'm really pleased that's the case because I would have been really upset if it was only clicky in the bottom.
1:04:21The backboard then, yeah.
1:04:23I was expecting it would be a Force Touch trackpad anyway.
1:04:28I don't know if I was wrong to think that, but that was just what I expected it to be.
1:04:33I just think it's interesting that Apple is making a trackpad in 2020 that clicks physically.
1:04:39But I guess it's just really difficult to do in the form factor that they have.
1:04:44But nevertheless, I'm happy that the entire thing clicks because then I'm probably not going to notice any difference to my usual trackpads.
1:04:51Right.
1:04:52And I did want to say, I saw Steve Trout Smith, he tweeted, he has his...
1:04:58And it's like the perfect review for me.
1:05:01So it says, "Magic Keyboard Micro Review. If this is the accessory you've been waiting for, it's perfect.
1:05:06If you're somebody trying to force an iPad into your life when you don't need or want it to be more than a Netflix player, it's not going to do a lot to solve your problems."
1:05:13Yeah. He also went on to say something very much like what we just said, which is,
1:05:18"Baffled by people complaining about the 12.9-inch Magic Keyboard plus iPad weighing as much as a 13-inch laptop, making it equivalent to a laptop is kind of the point."
1:05:28Yeah.
1:05:29Yeah. Even more so than any other keyboard.
1:05:32Right?
1:05:33If the Smart Keyboard Folio made it weigh as much as a laptop, I would maybe raise an eyebrow.
1:05:38But this thing has a trackpad in it as well. Like it is a laptop now.
1:05:41That's what it's for.
1:05:42That's the point.
1:05:43This is the first, first-party, complete, "Your iPad is now a laptop" product that Apple has done.
1:05:51And it's telling, in fact, that the Smart Keyboard Folio is still available, right?
1:05:57That's Apple saying, you know, not everybody wants the big heavy keyboard with a backlighting.
1:06:02And the Magic Keyboard with the moving keys and the trackpad and all that. It's like, not everybody needs this.
1:06:09That's why you also could get this other thing that's a lot thinner and lighter.
1:06:13I'm super excited to get mine.
1:06:15And you could expect us to be talking about this thing a lot more, I think, over the next coming weeks.
1:06:19So we've been waiting for this product for a long time.
1:06:22A long time.
1:06:24And we've been trying to find ways to make this lifestyle for ourselves, and Apple's finally made the product that will do it.
1:06:32Yeah, that's the thing that really hits me more than anything else.
1:06:35I've written a bunch of columns about using the iPad in different ways.
1:06:39For Six Colors and for Macworld.
1:06:40The iBook.
1:06:41Exactly.
1:06:42And I keep coming back to that idea that, you know, is Apple ever going to embrace the idea that the iPad can be used as a laptop with a pointing device
1:06:52and build its own thing instead of us doing things like the bridge keyboard.
1:06:59Build its own thing and say, yes, you can use an iPad as a laptop.
1:07:03And honestly, I wasn't convinced that was ever going to happen in a short period of time, in a few years' time.
1:07:11And that's what this is. So I'm excited.
1:07:15So hopefully that they arrive and we can talk about them.
1:07:20Fingers crossed for mine to come in tomorrow.
1:07:22All right. Should we do some #askupgrade questions before we finish out today?
1:07:27Yeah, let's do it.
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1:09:11So we have some #askupgrade questions.
1:09:14Graham wants to know, "My partner is looking to buy an Apple Watch and is debating between the Series 3 and the Series 5.
1:09:22In your opinion, is the Series 5 worth the extra money?"
1:09:26That's a personal question. I know that sounds like a cop-out, but what's it worth to you? Because the Series 3 is great.
1:09:37It's older, but it's a great value at that price.
1:09:41If you haven't had an Apple Watch before or your partner hasn't had an Apple Watch before,
1:09:48and that probably implies a reluctance to get into the Apple Watch,
1:09:56the low price of the Series 3 may be a selling point.
1:10:01It doesn't have the big screen that's really nice. The bigger screen is really nice.
1:10:07I like a lot of things about the Series 5. I'm happy I have one.
1:10:11But the Series 3 is a pretty great device on its own and is an excellent price.
1:10:17We were talking about the iPhone SE.
1:10:19So I think that's the real question.
1:10:21When you're thinking about the money your partner is willing to spend or you're willing to spend for your partner about this,
1:10:27that to me is the question.
1:10:29Because do you go for value or do you go for "Let's get something really nice"?
1:10:35Because between the Series 3 and the Series 5, the main differences are aesthetics.
1:10:43I much, much prefer the design of the Series 4 and the Series 5 to the Series 3 and before.
1:10:52And you've got the always-on display now.
1:10:57The Series 3 had LTE, so you've got that still.
1:11:01I think that's probably the main differences.
1:11:04I think really, if you look at the Series 3 and you're like "I like the way this looks"
1:11:09and if you don't care about always-on, then you're good for it.
1:11:14I agree with what Jason is saying. It is very much a personal decision.
1:11:18You know what I was just about to say? Just go to the Apple Store. You can't do that.
1:11:23You can't try them on.
1:11:25This is more difficult to make these decisions now, right?
1:11:30If you're just using the web?
1:11:32Yeah.
1:11:35In my opinion, the Series 5 is worth the extra money for my own tastes.
1:11:40I skipped the Apple Watch for a while, stopped wearing it, but the Series 5 gave me the reasons to come back.
1:11:47Because I liked the way it looked, I liked the options that you had in materials,
1:11:52and I also liked that you can always have the always-on display.
1:11:58As Joe in the chat room says, you can still return them.
1:12:02So you can make your decision that way, I guess. You can try it out if it doesn't work for you
1:12:06and you feel like you would want the other one, you can still return the products.
1:12:10Will wants to know, "What are your favorite HomeKit accessories this many years into the system?"
1:12:16I have one, which is the Hue bulbs, and I love them.
1:12:20But that's the only HomeKit accessory that I have.
1:12:24I haven't looked. I mean, honestly, every now and then I look for HomeKit plugs.
1:12:30I don't want to replace the plug outlet, but look for the ones that sit in the middle.
1:12:35I can never find anything in the UK from a company that I feel like I can trust.
1:12:41Belkin products are completely gone here. You can't find them, which is really weird.
1:12:47So I don't really know what's going on with HomeKit, but I do hope that they are getting ready to change it in some way.
1:12:56Because it's not good.
1:13:00Yeah. I have a bunch, in contrast to Myke's sadness.
1:13:07I love the Lutron Casita switches, because one of my great complaints about HomeKit stuff is you end up with smart bulbs and stuff,
1:13:22and then you've got these light switches where it's sort of like, "No, don't touch the light switch.
1:13:26If you turn off the light switch, the lights can never come back on automatically."
1:13:30That's the power to the smart bulb, and then the smart bulb you have to turn off separately, and you can't use the light switch to do that.
1:13:35It's the worst. And the Lutron Casita switches are light switches that are smart home light switches.
1:13:41So I have a couple of these, and I have them in my living room.
1:13:47My living room lights are on this, and it means that I can adjust my living room lights, turn them on and off from my iOS devices,
1:13:55from my Logitech little smart remote.
1:13:58It will talk to them using voice assistants and using a physical remote control that comes with the Lutron switch.
1:14:09Or, you guessed it, on the wall, it's a switch. It's real with real controls, and you can just turn it on and off by pushing the buttons on the wall.
1:14:20Because it's controlling. The light bulbs are dumb. The switch is smart. And it's way better that way.
1:14:26So that's my favorite. I also have done most of the lighting in my office now is smart lighting.
1:14:32So I've got a smart switch for my floor lamp. I've got some light strip Phillips Hue light strips around the windows on my side wall.
1:14:42And for when I do video, I actually have two TV lights, two LED lights, and they're up mounted on the ceiling and attached to a smart switch.
1:14:54So I can just, with the Home app, I can just turn those on when I need to be well lit for video and then turn them back off, which is pretty great too.
1:15:02So my garage lighting is second, and I have a lava lamp that I can turn on just for fun.
1:15:08But the Lutron Casita stuff is the stuff that I really love because it feels much more appropriately integrated into my home to not have smart bulbs,
1:15:17but instead to have smart switches in the walls because they function as light switches and they're smart. And that's way better.
1:15:26I've never lived that lifestyle, but it's interesting. Like I get it.
1:15:31I liked one of the things that we do like about the Hue bulbs, though, is the color changing abilities, which I guess this can't do unless you have bulbs that do it.
1:15:42But this is a case of taking existing things and fixtures and making them smart.
1:15:49Well, right. I could make the living room bulbs smart, but then I would have a light switch that had to stay on all the time and you couldn't actually touch it, or you'd break everything.
1:15:58And I don't like that. There are companies that make smart switches that cover up your light switch.
1:16:03You rewire it to stay on all the time, and then you put this over it, and it's a smart switch.
1:16:07I actually have one of those in my bedroom because we put in a smart ceiling fan that's also an overhead light.
1:16:13And the problem there is sometimes you press the button and nothing happens because for whatever reason the smart home network didn't get the signal or something.
1:16:21Whereas if you flip a light switch, the lights come on. So I'm not -- I get the appeal of like the color kind of stuff, but --
1:16:33Ours are all in lamps, which is helpful.
1:16:36Because there isn't that break of a light switch. The lights that we have, the actual light fixtures in the house, we turn on by switches, but we actually use the lamps more in the rooms.
1:16:49So, but yeah, I get it.
1:16:51Makes sense.
1:16:52I would like to one day change our actual light switches to something like that, just so we have the additional flexibility of also having them controllable via the internet.
1:17:04But I just haven't gotten around to that yet.
1:17:07Partly because I'm a little bit scared about doing that wiring.
1:17:11This is daunting to me. Did you do it yourself or did you have somebody do it?
1:17:16I have done it myself, and I've also had other people do other switches. I've done both.
1:17:21I like being able to do it, but I get -- my wiring in my house is -- a lot of it is old, and so I get really frustrated, and it starts to get confusing about what switch is what, and that's when you bring in the electrician.
1:17:33Yeah. Chris wants to know, "Which current or former Apple executive do you hope writes a tell-all book? Which story do you want to hear the most?"
1:17:45I say Phil Schiller, only because he's been there. Phil Schiller has been there.
1:17:51I feel like we answered a version of this question before, but I'm going to throw out Phil Schiller because he's been there a long time.
1:17:55So he can actually talk about jobs returning and about lots of different product rollouts.
1:18:00If he were to ever write a tell-all book, he knows where all the bodies are buried, and for a long stretch of Apple history, and that's why I'd want to hear from Phil.
1:18:11I, for some of the same reasons, want it to be Ive, because Johnny was there, again, for a lot of jobs his time, but I also want to hear about the design aspect.
1:18:29Also, I'm interested in his life as somebody who grew up in the UK and all that kind of stuff.
1:18:36I would love a book from him at some point, but he doesn't seem like the type of person to do it.
1:18:42I would expect more that Schiller would than Ive would, even though I don't think either of them will.
1:18:50No.
1:18:51But it feels more likely to me that Schiller would do something than I would, just because Ive seems so very private, but I can't imagine him sharing any stories, really.
1:19:02Right.
1:19:03Kaelan Gosso asks, "Do you think that the pandemic could finally push Apple to break its pace of new software versions every year?"
1:19:11I'm going to say no. I think, I mean, for Mac OS, I think it's possible, but my short version is no.
1:19:24I think it will instead push them to make smaller revisions and make them throughout the year and be a little less ambitious in what rolls into a particular release.
1:19:37But I think they, you know, anything is possible right now, but I think that they're probably more inclined to continue rolling out versions every year,
1:19:48even if they're less ambitious and the new features are broken up across the whole year instead of just all dropping in a lump in the fall.
1:19:57They've already been moving in that direction, and I think following that kind of plan gives them the flexibility to adjust when something like this happens and say,
1:20:07"Well, you know, we're not going to get -- this year is going to start out, the successor to Catalina is going to be later and it's going to be a little bit quieter,
1:20:15but then we're going to roll out some other features in the spring."
1:20:18And I think that's a more likely scenario than just, "Nope, we're not going to do an OS update," because if you watch, they're still doing OS updates throughout the year.
1:20:26So in some ways, it's just where the milestone release happens, and I think that they find value in having a milestone release more or less every year.
1:20:35It doesn't have to be a massive release, and they can trickle those features out later.
1:20:39And finally, James asks, "Do you think AirTags would be a subscription product? Like, or a service?"
1:20:47I don't. I just think that Apple has not gone so far around the bend that they look at a new piece of hardware and say, "This is actually a service."
1:20:56And I don't think find -- my other comment would be that Find My is not a service, right?
1:21:04Like, Find My on your existing hardware from Apple, you don't pay for that. You get that just with your product. You can find it.
1:21:14And so I don't think -- I think Apple will view this as you buy the AirTags and then they're on Find My until they die.
1:21:24Yes, I hadn't thought of anything like this until I got this question, and I was wondering if there could be different levels to it, but I'm not sure how that would work, either.
1:21:37Like, or if it could be somehow attached -- I mean, it's obviously going to be attached to iCloud, but it just seems like too complicated to be like you have to be a paid iCloud member to use more than two of them or something.
1:21:48Like, there is a product here because other companies do it. So like, Tile and Tracker have a -- you buy the thing and you can track it, but then they have like plus models, right, where you pay and you get more features.
1:22:00But I think for this particular product, I think Apple is looking for more of like overall ecosystem lock-in than subscription lock-in.
1:22:11Like, if you were thinking like, what's the business angle behind this? It's like making it more desirable to be in the Apple ecosystem in general by offering this product than it being a, we want to get more revenue per user on a recurring basis.
1:22:29When this product, people will buy them over and over again, which is different to typical products. Like, as in the amount that a person could have could be like five, which is different, right, to a normal Apple product.
1:22:48Like, most people do not have like five iPods or whatever, but this --
1:22:52Well, that's true, but they do have multiple Apple products. And then every one of these that you buy, you're giving Apple more money for them. And I'm not sure there's any overhead there. And then they're not going to last forever.
1:23:03No.
1:23:04And they keep you in the Apple ecosystem. So I think they -- I haven't thought about it either, and I think it totally could. But I don't think they will.
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