00:00:08 ◼ ► From Relay FM, this is Upgrade, episode 285. Today's show is brought to you by Direct Mail, Bombus, and DoorDash.
00:00:16 ◼ ► My name is Myke Hurley and I am joined on assignment by Mr. Jason Snell. Hello, Jason Snell.
00:00:21 ◼ ► Well, wait, assignment means that I'm not here, but I am here. So I'm just from a remote location, I don't know. You can't...
00:00:31 ◼ ► Usually, Jason, when you're in hotel rooms, we have new Apple Harbor to talk about, but that's not happening today.
00:00:42 ◼ ► But as we all well know, as is told by the Upgrade lore, Jason will never miss an episode, so here he is.
00:00:49 ◼ ► That's right. And also, nobody wants to talk about this, Myke, because we should do our Snell Talk question.
00:00:52 ◼ ► Thomas wants to know for the #SnellTalk question, "Jason, how is your phone oriented in your pocket? Is the screen facing you, away from you? Is it upside down or right side up?
00:01:07 ◼ ► I feel like we really... Every couple of years, we have one of these things where we talk about dock orientation and where you put your phone and all of these other things that are just personal preference.
00:01:17 ◼ ► And they all come out and everybody gets to share their opinion, but to please Thomas, I will say, I put my phone in my pocket with the screen facing inward,
00:01:35 ◼ ► And with the top of the phone going in first, so that if I pull the phone out, it's in my hand in the right orientation.
00:01:46 ◼ ► There is absolutely no other way to put your phone in your pocket. This is the way to do it.
00:01:51 ◼ ► There are three other ways, plus I guess sideways if you have very large pockets, but don't do those other ways.
00:02:02 ◼ ► Because very rightly said, you do not want to break the screen, so bump it into something, you might break the screen.
00:02:09 ◼ ► And the other, with the phone facing down, as you say, when you take it out of your pocket, you don't have to do anything.
00:02:18 ◼ ► I cannot imagine, although I'm sure I'm going to find out, why anybody would want to do it any other way.
00:03:04 ◼ ► You can, I nearly called it Hell Talk, which is like a different, that's a different thing.
00:03:59 ◼ ► We want to go software, hardware, it doesn't matter if it's interesting, we want to talk about it.
00:04:06 ◼ ► like the new S20, S20 Plus and S20 Ultra, because Austin got to spend some time with them.
00:04:12 ◼ ► And on episode two, we're going to be doing something that I'm really excited to talk about,
00:04:32 ◼ ► I also want to talk about whether folding phones really can be daily drivers right now.
00:05:05 ◼ ► Plus, Jason doesn't want to talk about folding phones, so I had to find something that would--
00:06:19 ◼ ► T9 input is if you've ever used a phone like this or maybe you're just not aware of it,
00:06:58 ◼ ► The reason you would maybe want to do it is because it allows you to put a somewhat functional
00:07:08 ◼ ► This episode, which is a great title, is called "Where the Fluoroelastomer Meets the Road."
00:07:54 ◼ ► Where Stephen Hackett mentioned he used the scribble function on the Apple Watch a fair
00:07:59 ◼ ► amount, which is where you can scribble with your fingers to type-- to put in characters.
00:08:13 ◼ ► Where Federico discussed a popular new watch app called Flick Type, which is essentially
00:08:26 ◼ ► It's almost like asking if Apple should release a slide rule app in addition to its calculator
00:08:30 ◼ ► But now that the Apple Watch has been around for almost exactly five years, I'm wondering
00:08:35 ◼ ► Does Siri and Scribble really work well enough for Apple to cut the watch's tether to the
00:08:44 ◼ ► And how much more often would you use it if there was some other key entry option available?
00:09:36 ◼ ► we provide compatibility with muscle memory from really old phones, even if it was effective?
00:10:01 ◼ ► thing that you may not have noticed, which is if you start writing something in Scribble,
00:10:04 ◼ ► these little arrows come up, and you can actually either tap on that or you can use the crown,
00:11:12 ◼ ► And I agree with Steven that it's less likely that Apple will put it on there because Apple
00:11:17 ◼ ► is maybe too proud to do something like that on the Apple Watch and be ridiculed for it.
00:11:25 ◼ ► I think that app proves that it's doable and that for some people, they would rather kind
00:12:14 ◼ ► And Scribble is too slow for me anyway, which is why if I had the choice between Scribble
00:12:24 ◼ ► Plus we're getting a lot of people are now starting to get used to it because Apple implemented
00:12:32 ◼ ► So that's why I think they will do it because they have already worked on a system and they've
00:12:37 ◼ ► And I actually think it makes even more sense to have something like this on the Apple Watch
00:12:41 ◼ ► and the iPhone because it's a much more, in my opinion, forgiving typing system provided
00:12:49 ◼ ► I think actually, and when I talk about Apple's pride, I think you've got the exact line in
00:13:52 ◼ ► Jason, we also received another anonymous email from an Apple employee stating that, and I
00:13:59 ◼ ► At Apple Park, we have a room where any employee can go to get whatever dongle they need.
00:14:04 ◼ ► This person sent us photographic evidence of these dongles wearing a dongletown t-shirt."
00:14:13 ◼ ► Obviously, we can't share the image, but you can rest assured that me and Jason can attest
00:14:18 ◼ ► I have heard from many, multiple I should say, multiple Apple employees that the dongletown
00:14:48 ◼ ► a little bit into the gym, Bombas can help with performance socks and styles made specially
00:15:20 ◼ ► But that's why Bombas are designed with left-right contouring and a Y-stitched heel so they stay
00:15:27 ◼ ► Look, these people very clearly care about socks more than you have ever thought to care
00:15:36 ◼ ► I have lots of their ankle socks and I never want to wear ankle socks made by anyone else
00:16:55 ◼ ► Because recently Apple brought me into contact with a number of creative professionals to
00:17:01 ◼ ► demonstrate how the Mac Pro and the Pro Display XDR, especially at helping them evolve and
00:17:21 ◼ ► And also the people that I think it's clear to see Apple are targeting with the Mac Pro.
00:17:27 ◼ ► To give you an idea of what I'm talking about here, I got to speak to Thomas Carter of Trim
00:17:38 ◼ ► Luna Animation, an animation company who did some work on the recently released Jumanji
00:18:05 ◼ ► Because that was like, I think the whole reason that they wanted ideally to have people talking
00:18:34 ◼ ► to say on this now, but I genuinely feel like I have now met the people that this product
00:18:51 ◼ ► Estelle and Jonathan, the photographer and the music producer, they were mostly focused
00:18:59 ◼ ► But the Mac Pro was clearly very focused around what you can do with it when looking at video,
00:19:08 ◼ ► Obviously we know this, that the Mac Pro helps these people get their stuff done faster.
00:19:27 ◼ ► We've heard people talk about this already, being able to use the actual 8K files rather
00:19:38 ◼ ► And the time stuff is really good because if you imagine a render time being taken down,
00:19:43 ◼ ► it means that people can deliver their projects faster because it can handle more, there's
00:19:50 ◼ ► So I watched this one demo from Luna Animation and they were showing this video that they'd
00:20:06 ◼ ► And what they were doing, they had this final footage of these skeletons coming out of the
00:20:38 ◼ ► Because you can't see all of them at the same time because the iMac Pro just couldn't handle
00:20:50 ◼ ► So what was happening before is an animator would be animating part of a scene, rendering
00:20:56 ◼ ► it out, watching the video playback, taking notes, being like, "Oh, okay, so this timestamp,
00:21:04 ◼ ► Then having to go back, make those adjustments, watch it again, make sure you see what I mean.
00:21:08 ◼ ► So there's like, it's not just you're saving time because it's faster and it can render
00:21:26 ◼ ► So what I liked about this demo specifically is Maya is not an application made by Apple,
00:21:49 ◼ ► So I thought that was like a very interesting thing to see, that dropping this machine into
00:22:00 ◼ ► Which is what you would want because having to wait for the software to all just be updated,
00:22:20 ◼ ► So I really got a sense for why looking at stuff like this, that the Mac Pro can exist.
00:22:35 ◼ ► not Windows, the desktops, multiple desktops that have different apps running at a time.
00:22:40 ◼ ► So they'd have like this animation app rendering this thing, this animation app rendering this
00:22:44 ◼ ► thing and they were saying they just couldn't, you can't do that on the Mac Pro, it would
00:22:49 ◼ ► And they had a kind of, I don't remember the exact specs, but they had like a, what they
00:22:54 ◼ ► were showing all of this on was like one of the middle of the road ones, when it was like
00:23:04 ◼ ► It was like kind of the, what people seem to say is like, oh, this is the kind of amount
00:23:11 ◼ ► In the kind of 13 to 15,000 level to get that machine that's like the best of everything
00:23:31 ◼ ► You know, I feel like in general, Apple computers now, the Mac especially, they are made with
00:24:14 ◼ ► And I think it's become more clear to me having seen these very different, much more demanding
00:24:22 ◼ ► workflows and creative people that I can see that the Mac Pro, it was made for that type
00:24:28 ◼ ► It's a type of work that could not be delivered well enough on what Apple was offering, right?
00:24:37 ◼ ► Like people in these types of creative fields, which we can clearly see that Apple was positioned
00:24:42 ◼ ► in this line of products towards, they needed this more than anybody else because they couldn't
00:24:57 ◼ ► And I understand, like trust me, I understand that there are people that want that hardware
00:25:03 ◼ ► The more time I spent looking at that thing, the more I want one because I think it's super
00:25:25 ◼ ► did and have positioned it the way that they have because the type of people that needed
00:25:55 ◼ ► I don't know why I didn't really ask because like I don't want to, I wonder why exactly
00:26:06 ◼ ► If they didn't have it, they probably couldn't have accepted the job because they wouldn't
00:26:13 ◼ ► Like having the Pro Display meant that they didn't need to get that type of monitor, they
00:26:23 ◼ ► There's like this big wonderfully textured map which goes in the background of the credits
00:26:30 ◼ ► Like it's the one where all the big stars are at the end and they've got all this animation
00:26:36 ◼ ► And the iMac Pro would have taken too long for it to render and they wouldn't have been
00:26:48 ◼ ► Cost is not a factor for some of these companies when the hardware is so powerful because, so
00:27:07 ◼ ► then at the end of the lease they'll decide whether they want to pay the rest or they'll
00:27:22 ◼ ► But they're saying like at the end of the lease now if they buy that machine the expandability
00:27:26 ◼ ► of the Mac Pro means they probably don't need to get a new computer next year, just new
00:27:56 ◼ ► So they showed me this chart of hardware, there's like three graphs, hardware, software,
00:28:03 ◼ ► animator and the lowest portion even when buying these Mac Pros is hardware is the least
00:28:16 ◼ ► can get it on and also animators are so expensive that if you can make their time more productive
00:28:31 ◼ ► is you've got a hopefully highly paid professional person using that as their tool and if you
00:28:46 ◼ ► It's actually a fairly simple math calculation that if you can make them more productive
00:28:50 ◼ ► because they're no longer waiting around for some period of time then it's worth spending
00:29:03 ◼ ► And I feel like I knew that before but I always just thought like oh they'll save a few
00:29:14 ◼ ► eyes was to this idea of multiple applications can be worked on in the same time so while
00:29:28 ◼ ► But also that idea of being able to see more assets in real time on a screen because it
00:29:34 ◼ ► can be powered is a big difference because that means that you're not having to go back
00:29:43 ◼ ► That's where the time savings are where before my expectation was like yeah but if it's faster
00:29:49 ◼ ► rendering like yeah maybe you can do it in a third at a time but really how much is that
00:29:53 ◼ ► but it's way more than that it's throughout the entire production process the time it's
00:29:58 ◼ ► being saved and for a small company that is massively important because they're probably
00:30:12 ◼ ► Proteus Play XDR like that was something that everyone was talking about like stuff we already
00:30:23 ◼ ► Oh my god oh my god I love it I absolutely love it that is a beautiful screen and I was
00:30:36 ◼ ► and it was like a dark room but there was some lights in it and the lights were so bright
00:30:41 ◼ ► in this dark room it kind of looked like someone just cut a hole in the monitor and the light
00:30:45 ◼ ► was coming through it it was bananas like super super awesome I want one of those displays
00:30:51 ◼ ► so bad but have nothing to use for that right like I did but you know obviously the reference
00:30:58 ◼ ► mode they're a big deal for cinematic work right because if you're working on something
00:31:11 ◼ ► the client the studio needed it to be seen in a certain way in a certain reference mode
00:31:24 ◼ ► good and I mentioned earlier the music producer Estelle she was using the 16-inch MacBook
00:31:34 ◼ ► these hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of tracks like I use like four tracks in logic
00:31:39 ◼ ► but the thing that was wild to me is she had used the new microphone system to record an
00:31:49 ◼ ► the result and I heard it it sounded fantastic when it overlaid with a bunch of other stuff
00:31:53 ◼ ► in a track she's releasing music that has been she has used the microphone in the 16-inch
00:32:00 ◼ ► MacBook Pro to record so like she loves the way that sounds so much and it did sound great
00:32:06 ◼ ► that she can now just record in a hotel room or whatever and can just put that into a track
00:32:15 ◼ ► show we tested it right like in spoken word in podcasting it's okay but I wouldn't want
00:32:33 ◼ ► like because it's it's over overall smoothed out by everything else that's happening around
00:32:38 ◼ ► so I just thought it sounded super cool but so yeah that was some stuff that I just wanted
00:32:48 ◼ ► my mindset has been shifted a little bit on what these who these who these products have
00:33:00 ◼ ► it. For sure it's interesting because like I mean this is really just sort of explaining
00:33:09 ◼ ► the with the Mac Pro and the Pro Display and this is this is the people that they're trying
00:33:16 ◼ ► to reach with this which is you know it doesn't I think really address the other part of this
00:33:22 ◼ ► which is is there a is there a hole in the market that's not really being served by Apple
00:33:26 ◼ ► that this product doesn't fill and that that's why people are unhappy with the choices they
00:33:37 ◼ ► this product is these people had a need that was not being fulfilled by any existing Mac.
00:33:41 ◼ ► Yeah like I think the whole is like there there are people that want a machine like this
00:33:46 ◼ ► right but don't need a lot of the power that Apple built into it but I think it's up to
00:33:52 ◼ ► them if they want to make that like I don't think the need is there in the same way that
00:33:59 ◼ ► it was for these types of people right where like the need is otherwise I can't use a Macintosh
00:34:04 ◼ ► anymore right which is like a very different thing and I don't know how much of Apple's
00:34:10 ◼ ► priority is in the idea of like people want a specific type of computer because it's the
00:34:21 ◼ ► about that right maybe they would a lot maybe they wouldn't maybe they kind of would I don't
00:34:26 ◼ ► know I know that I personally think that it would be super cool to own a machine like that
00:34:39 ◼ ► like if it started at $2500 and you could get something like the iMac Pro for like $6000
00:35:02 ◼ ► about because I like watching the iMac Pro the Mac Pro being taken apart I can't explain
00:35:06 ◼ ► why I just think it's beautiful inside like I would be able to update that on my own and
00:35:19 ◼ ► we're kind of referring to this idea of like a budget tower the x Mac as it's been called
00:35:31 ◼ ► know it's been around a long time I'm just gonna say John claimed it in case he did and
00:35:35 ◼ ► then would be upset at me and provide follow-up and it's way better to have the follow-up
00:35:49 ◼ ► right like and I know why people would want it but now I feel like I understand why much
00:35:53 ◼ ► more the the Mac Pro exists good all right should we take a break and talk about malware
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00:37:36 ◼ ► So there's this company called Malwarebytes that is a maker of anti-malware software cross-platform
00:37:44 ◼ ► and they do a report every year that's sort of like the state of malware as they see it
00:37:50 ◼ ► because they've obviously got to do malware software you have to have basically researchers
00:37:56 ◼ ► who are seeing what stuff is spreading and how it works and updating your system to fight
00:38:04 ◼ ► it but it's also a marketing exercise that's the truth of it is they are trying to promote
00:38:11 ◼ ► themselves as experts and they sell product that stops malware and those go together so
00:38:18 ◼ ► they release their report for the state of malware in 2019 and one of the things because
00:38:28 ◼ ► tech news outlets and spread around was that they made this kind of extraordinary claim
00:38:39 ◼ ► a huge growth in Mac malware which is funny because as a Mac user you're probably sitting
00:38:45 ◼ ► there thinking wait a second I thought there wasn't any malware on the Mac and the truth
00:38:49 ◼ ► is they are using some pretty shaky definitions they have defined malware to include apps
00:39:21 ◼ ► back and stuff like that it's not quite the same as leaking your you know scanning your
00:39:26 ◼ ► hard drive and leaking your personal information or destroying your computer or encrypting
00:39:31 ◼ ► your hard drive and demanding ransom those are like traditional malware versus this other
00:39:48 ◼ ► Exactly, exactly. So I think that the coverage was the coverage that some outlets had was
00:40:01 ◼ ► Malwarebytes wants because they want people to buy their software so just you know I think
00:40:08 ◼ ► there is so I'm balancing that saying that I think that they went too far and that they
00:40:14 ◼ ► made this a little too alarmist with the real bit of I think interesting information in
00:40:20 ◼ ► this report which is it's definitely the case that these sort of sleazy groups that have
00:40:28 ◼ ► these apps that they want to convince you to download with a link on a website somewhere
00:40:33 ◼ ► and you download it thinking you have a problem and then they install and again they're
00:40:38 ◼ ► not they're not really malware but they are going to redirect your you know your web pages
00:40:44 ◼ ► and your ad requests on web pages and they're going to do all this other kind of gross stuff
00:40:54 ◼ ► stuff is on the rise there are more of those there were new ones and there's a lot more
00:41:16 ◼ ► is interesting is that in November Apple kind of quietly clarified their rules for being
00:41:30 ◼ ► link to it in the show notes there's a tech note that basically says here's what we don't
00:41:35 ◼ ► allow on the platform and this is not allowing the Mac App Store like this stuff is not allowed
00:41:44 ◼ ► to correct which I guess happens occasionally but basically this is not stuff you get in
00:41:48 ◼ ► the Mac App Store this is stuff that you download from somewhere on the internet but Apple Apple's
00:41:55 ◼ ► control of the Mac as a platform is not limited to the Mac App Store right like they have
00:42:01 ◼ ► these other mechanisms and by redefining their rules or clarifying their rules they are also
00:42:18 ◼ ► think June of last year has to be notarized which means you have to upload it every piece
00:42:25 ◼ ► of software you have to upload it to an Apple server and then they scan it and then they
00:42:30 ◼ ► wrap it in a cryptographic signature and send it back to you so every Mac App that is by
00:42:36 ◼ ► default kind of runnable you can get around it if you really want to but by default that
00:42:41 ◼ ► is runnable has to have this signature it means it won't be tampered with it also means
00:42:47 ◼ ► that it has passed some tests and it also means that Apple has that ID and if they find
00:42:51 ◼ ► that you are in violation that your app does something sleazy they can kill it they just
00:43:05 ◼ ► No they can I mean they can so there are different kinds they have a they have a an anti-virus
00:43:12 ◼ ► and malware protection scheme where they can basically target anything but they also have
00:43:17 ◼ ► this other option which is targeting the signature of an app prevents it from being launchable.
00:43:22 ◼ ► Right so if I remember rightly this is what they did to that BitTorrent app transmission
00:43:37 ◼ ► App Store Apple has ways of killing your software if they really want to and by clarifying their
00:43:44 ◼ ► rules what they did is their rules always said kind of like yes we mean malware we mean
00:43:50 ◼ ► things that affect your computer or send your personal information in ways you aren't aware
00:43:55 ◼ ► of like those those are there but also it's things like making it hard to remove it changing
00:44:07 ◼ ► requests doing like there's a whole list of things that that fall into this category and
00:44:12 ◼ ► my understanding is that when Malwarebytes came up with this list of all of these adware
00:44:16 ◼ ► things making it seem like the Mac is infested with all of this adware stuff that you can
00:44:23 ◼ ► probably make a pretty good link there that the rise of the adware is why Apple probably
00:44:27 ◼ ► clarified its rules and I think most of that stuff has been smashed has been you know whacked
00:44:40 ◼ ► looks like there is something that went on where the Mac is a higher profile target for
00:44:46 ◼ ► some of this garbage software than it used to be but that Apple then has seemingly responded
00:44:52 ◼ ► to that rise with a clarification of its own policies and it's got a bunch of levers it
00:44:57 ◼ ► can pull to have that stuff just die if they feel like it crosses the line now there are
00:45:04 ◼ ► some exceptions to this like we've we talked about there are apps that we look at and say
00:45:08 ◼ ► I don't know why that app exists where it's like oh it'll clean up your logs and remove
00:45:13 ◼ ► files and make your Mac work faster and you look at it and you say I don't think that's
00:45:23 ◼ ► of applications confused right like Mackeeper is this I don't know just not great but there
00:45:38 ◼ ► This is my point is I can provide some skepticism about some of those apps you know and whether
00:45:47 ◼ ► What I like them for and what I've used those apps for is like I just don't know where the
00:45:53 ◼ ► if I need if I if I'm running low on storage space sometimes I just need to see where the
00:46:00 ◼ ► large files and those applications have always helped me find things that I wouldn't have
00:46:03 ◼ ► known and some Mac users will know for example where to go to remove the old backup files
00:46:29 ◼ ► It's not saying we've decided that this kind of app you shouldn't use it and so we're going
00:46:36 ◼ ► That's not what they're doing so and I liken it in my story to how the Food and Drug Administration
00:46:42 ◼ ► in the US doesn't evaluate herbal supplements for whether they work or not right they're
00:47:03 ◼ ► Yeah so and we don't want an Apple that's an activist Apple that's coming in and shutting
00:47:11 ◼ ► Apple has an alternative that they built that they want you to use right that's no good
00:47:15 ◼ ► but that's not what they're doing here so anyway it's a it's kind of a fascinating issue.
00:47:21 ◼ ► The thing that kind of got me mad was reading a recode story that quoted the guy who is
00:47:35 ◼ ► Mac users say that Macs don't need anti-malware software and it's just an illusion because
00:47:41 ◼ ► you can see all the bad stuff that's out there and you know that's why my story ends with
00:47:48 ◼ ► This is because I think it is a quote that shows that he's trying to scare people because
00:47:54 ◼ ► it benefits his company but I think there is also some truth in it that is worth discussing
00:47:59 ◼ ► which is I think it's possible that some Mac users make bad decisions because they think
00:48:15 ◼ ► from random places that you don't know who did it and it asks you for permission to install
00:48:20 ◼ ► a bunch of things and then your Mac starts acting really weird like that can happen and
00:48:32 ◼ ► So I do think that the perception that Macs can't get malware is potentially culturally
00:48:38 ◼ ► bad in that it makes Mac users not behave kind of carefully on the internet when they're
00:48:47 ◼ ► I never have and as John Saracusa mentioned on ATP last week in many ways it is just as
00:49:10 ◼ ► Completely accurate but there is a big difference between like people's mindset of like the way
00:49:32 ◼ ► it is possible to see that if you are a irresponsible or oblivious Mac user just clicking on anything
00:49:41 ◼ ► and doing whatever you want yeah you can get malware and there is as you mentioned earlier
00:49:56 ◼ ► There's a reason why I mean most of the bad malware that we've seen on the Mac is actually
00:50:01 ◼ ► stuff that's come from pirated software where it's in a shady place of the internet and
00:50:07 ◼ ► then they take real software and they kind of put it up as a pirate download but they've
00:50:12 ◼ ► actually altered it to be a malware installer and like there are yes you can do specifically
00:50:20 ◼ ► dumb things to endanger your Mac and so I think it's always good to be wary and I think
00:50:25 ◼ ► what Apple always says is download from the Mac App Store or other trusted sources like
00:50:30 ◼ ► yes if you download that from Microsoft or Adobe or you know bare bones or whoever like
00:50:36 ◼ ► okay you can do that and this is why Apple has you know changed the defaults about what
00:50:43 ◼ ► apps can run and built Gatekeeper which originally looked at your app the first time it launched
00:50:50 ◼ ► and now looks at your app not just the first time it launches but thereafter to make sure
00:50:55 ◼ ► that it passes some tests and it's why they've got their anti-malware software that isn't
00:50:59 ◼ ► totally invisible but runs in the background and auto updates and will kill anything that
00:51:05 ◼ ► Apple has flagged as being bad so Apple has continued to step up their game this is why
00:51:10 ◼ ► they ask for permission so that as annoying as it is in Catalina the motivation there is
00:51:15 ◼ ► that if some app that you downloaded that's supposed to be a calendar asks to read your
00:51:19 ◼ ► entire hard drive that you were able to look at that and go well wait a second why would
00:51:24 ◼ ► I let it do that why is it doing that like that is an alert to say this app may be doing
00:51:30 ◼ ► things you are not aware of or why is it reading what does it want to read my address book
00:51:39 ◼ ► all of those in it does give me pause there's a line in the malware byte story or report
00:51:49 ◼ ► know command line terminal stuff and I use that stuff all the time but it makes me think
00:52:00 ◼ ► we're going to see Apple lock that stuff down even more and another thing that Dan Morin
00:52:07 ◼ ► brought up last week when I was talking to him on the podcast I do with him for six colors
00:52:21 ◼ ► that ask you for your password when they install stuff because they have to install special
00:52:30 ◼ ► that's like I need you to put in your password so I can put some stuff in some various places
00:52:40 ◼ ► security at Apple I'd actually put that on my list as any app that wants to ask you for
00:52:46 ◼ ► your password in order to install stuff has to go through a system where they list everything
00:52:51 ◼ ► that they're putting everywhere and why and then let you you know let you undo it later
00:52:58 ◼ ► with a couple of clicks because that's that's where I get kind of creeped out of like well
00:53:04 ◼ ► I what are you putting where and why and it's kind of invisible so you know there's more
00:53:09 ◼ ► Apple's going to do and I think we need to have that conversation and had it when Catalina
00:53:13 ◼ ► came out that sometimes Apple is getting in the way of user desire in places that it shouldn't
00:53:20 ◼ ► and I think like demanding approval for access to the desktop and documents folders is a
00:53:27 ◼ ► apps should work but at the same time they are trying to protect us from stuff like this
00:53:47 ◼ ► get frustrated by the security dialogues and some of the things that get locked down but
00:54:03 ◼ ► that you accept all the dialogues anyway right like it's a real it's a real line to walk
00:54:07 ◼ ► but it is helpful for a lot of people I guess I guess if it's stopping them from their machines
00:54:13 ◼ ► being taken over or slowed down or worse yeah I think the danger is if you you think you're
00:54:22 ◼ ► you act with confidence but you don't actually know like you think oh well I can just say
00:54:26 ◼ ► yes because everything's fine and that's what I was saying sort of about cultural issues
00:54:38 ◼ ► all sorts of wacky stuff and do all sorts of things that are probably not safe but they
00:54:45 ◼ ► are better equipped to determine sort of like what a trusted resources but an average user
00:55:00 ◼ ► a danger zone and I know that that's why Apple wants to kind of intercept that stuff which
00:55:05 ◼ ► is why Apple has said in public that they're not going to make it impossible for you to
00:55:08 ◼ ► run software you want to run on your Mac what they're going to do is they're going to get
00:55:12 ◼ ► in your way and say you sure you want to do this or go turn that setting off if you want
00:55:17 ◼ ► to do this because they want to stop the people who don't understand what it is they're about
00:55:23 ◼ ► to agree to and they've been talked into doing it by some web page somewhere and that's what
00:55:31 ◼ ► I want to talk about the iPad in 2020 because there are some reports that are interesting
00:55:37 ◼ ► somewhat conflicting and I just want to see what you think so Digitimes is reporting that
00:55:44 ◼ ► Apple will be releasing its first 5G products in the second half of 2020 this will be for
00:55:50 ◼ ► at least some models of the iPhone and also the iPad Pro with the A14 and A14X chips respectively
00:55:58 ◼ ► for those products but there are also many rumors suggesting Apple will upgrade the iPad
00:56:04 ◼ ► Pro line in March to include the triple lens camera system with a time of flight sensor
00:56:08 ◼ ► for AR so the question posed by these two things is could we see two iPad Pro refreshes
00:56:15 ◼ ► in 2020 or at some point in 2020 there will be like an additional model of the iPad Pro
00:56:29 ◼ ► Well when I look at the first wave of 5G products from other phone makers it looks like what
00:56:45 ◼ ► to come out with new iPads in the spring and they want to do a 5G capable iPad my guess
00:56:55 ◼ ► in the spring and then there will be a fourth generation iPad Pro with 5G option in the
00:57:05 ◼ ► is a 5G option you can buy for an extra however many dollars it is and that's my guess is
00:57:12 ◼ ► I don't think Apple wants to delay the iPad out of its 18 month cycle and put it in when
00:57:26 ◼ ► it I wouldn't be surprised if Apple just didn't do it like just it's like no iPad doesn't
00:57:31 ◼ ► even need 5G but if they really feel like they want their entire product line to inherit
00:57:36 ◼ ► that has cellular to inherit 5G at some point I could just see them sliding that out at
00:57:41 ◼ ► some point in the fall and saying oh by the way the iPad Pro now does 5G too whether it's
00:57:45 ◼ ► a you know additional fee or whether they just sort of slipstream it and the old cellular
00:57:51 ◼ ► iPad Pro is replaced by a new one that is a 5G instead but because that's a real question
00:57:58 ◼ ► right is like the cost of a 5G modem the cost of that 5G being integrated do they charge
00:58:06 ◼ ► extra money for that or is it just sort of like well we've now changed the cellular version
00:58:11 ◼ ► to be 5G I don't know the answer to that but that's my guess is just it's gonna be that
00:58:15 ◼ ► simple of like oh yeah it does 5G now we drop that in it's not a new product it's the same
00:58:23 ◼ ► Yeah I think that's kind of where I'm leaning to where like we do still get some new iPad
00:58:30 ◼ ► Pros in the spring because I think that there's a lot of smoke around that right we're just
00:58:33 ◼ ► talking about it last week right like these new hardware keyboard things right like it's
00:58:37 ◼ ► just stuff happening which doesn't make any other sense as to why it would maybe happen
00:58:41 ◼ ► now like except for new hardware plus there's just you know it's time for the iPad Pro to
00:58:46 ◼ ► be refreshed I think leaving it until September would would be two years which feels like too
00:58:51 ◼ ► long they might want to have more power in the iPad Pro before WWDC we'll see who knows
00:59:03 ◼ ► I think it will I think that they would also want to have the iPad Pro go 5G and if I was
00:59:09 ◼ ► going to put money on the table I would say that they would say oh you know the LTE iPad
00:59:14 ◼ ► you can't get that anymore it's now a 5G iPad and they just slot that in in its place for
00:59:18 ◼ ► both sizes that's what I think they'll do and then you know make a big thing about Apple
00:59:36 ◼ ► is surprising and kind of counter to what we thought but that kind of seems like that's
00:59:43 ◼ ► that they're where they're going with it or at least they will do you know how for years
00:59:48 ◼ ► Apple would used different companies for the antennas right like some phones would be Intel's
00:59:53 ◼ ► do you mean the modems? is that what the antennas yeah modem sorry the modem but you know how
00:59:59 ◼ ► like Myke versus the modems again there you go they're very it's a very specific antenna
01:00:09 ◼ ► its reliance on Qualcomm this is a quote from the verge with the iPhone maker said to be
01:00:18 ◼ ► Okay well I mean you could design an antenna and for your hardware and then have the modem
01:00:30 ◼ ► for anything but my impression is that they're going to for now I don't know I don't know
01:00:37 ◼ ► Oh you know what sorry Jason I actually think it is an antenna thing right like there are
01:00:40 ◼ ► antennas as well as modems and that Apple is looking to develop its own antennas because
01:00:46 ◼ ► I'm not okay I mean that that's a really weird specific inside baseball story but are we
01:00:59 ◼ ► No I would expect it I mean I do think I mean I've made picks on this on connected I do
01:01:10 ◼ ► be it would be the thing if they didn't do it right that would be the thing of this iPhone
01:01:15 ◼ ► that everyone will write their articles about right like oh Apple being left behind right
01:01:20 ◼ ► like that's I'm not saying that's why they're doing it there's good reason to do it right
01:01:25 ◼ ► like 5G rollout is becoming a thing right like in in the in Europe in America like it's
01:01:30 ◼ ► becoming a thing and they would be being left behind because you know you mentioned about
01:01:41 ◼ ► but this year you know like Samsung's devices and devices come out from other manufacturers
01:01:45 ◼ ► they just come with 5G antennas in them like yeah it's not an additional thing anymore.
01:02:13 ◼ ► Yeah or a 5G variant right like they skipped that era that year they're like no we're not
01:02:18 ◼ ► going to do that and then this year when everything it's much more of a mainstream just like all
01:02:22 ◼ ► the phones have it which is why I actually kind of lead to lean to the idea that if they're
01:02:26 ◼ ► going to do a 5G iPad update it would probably just be replacing the cellular in the cellular
01:02:54 ◼ ► So does the iPad Pro really need to you know go to the 14 because the A13X we'll call it
01:03:20 ◼ ► My guess would be that if they're not planning to release new iPads in the fall that that's
01:03:26 ◼ ► you know this is part of the roadmap is that this is going to be the most advanced chip
01:03:36 ◼ ► but does it have technology that is that is more advanced than the regular A13 probably
01:03:43 ◼ ► right probably and that so you know there's some reality there and there's some marketing
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01:06:14 ◼ ► Let me start with Andrew and Andrew says could it be that the Apple TV is just hanging around
01:06:51 ◼ ► they know they need to spread that out unlike the Apple TV isn't it because it used to be
01:07:01 ◼ ► could control your home kit devices when you're outside of the home right but now there's
01:07:09 ◼ ► It's a fine reason to have one if you've already got one I don't think it's a reason to buy
01:07:16 ◼ ► Right I mean and I've heard from some people are like oh well you you guys didn't mention
01:07:29 ◼ ► My understanding though is that like your TV can just tell what's on the screen sometimes
01:07:33 ◼ ► so and you can turn that stuff off too but is it is it working and keep your TV off the
01:07:55 ◼ ► bucks and that Apple costs Apple TV cost seven times that and that seems a bit much so like
01:08:01 ◼ ► what what role does it serve and as a premium streamer that has better privacy and all that
01:08:07 ◼ ► that makes sense to me I still feel like the price is just way out of whack with the rest
01:08:14 ◼ ► Isaac wants to know how many times a day do you accidentally take a screenshot on your iPhone? Isaac's about two a day. I would say at least once a week I go to my photo roll and find a screenshot of my morning alarm.
01:08:25 ◼ ► I do it on my iPad all the time actually. Oh really? Because I'm grabbing the edge of my iPad to pick it up and it takes a screenshot because it's it's the buttons are right on the corner there so if you if you had it have your fingers just right you'll take a screenshot of your iPad as you're picking it up.
01:08:41 ◼ ► It's great for me like because I have my iPhone in one of the studio neat material docs and it's like on my night table and so I'll just reach out to like press the side of my phone to stop the alarm and a lot of the times I'm doing that I'm like grabbing the whole side of the phone taking the taking the screenshot so that's why that happens to me. I've never really gotten used to that press all the buttons take the screenshot thing.
01:09:04 ◼ ► You know what I'd really like is that the floating window has a shortcut to delete the screenshot but it doesn't. Oh right just like so as soon as it's there. If I flick it across the screen or if I take it all the way up to the top or something like that I can be like no just go away and have like a little trash icon or something appear and I can drag it in there. I'd like that because sometimes I do take them.
01:09:25 ◼ ► You know like a little sf icon next to the yeah there's a share sheet that comes out if you tap and hold but even that doesn't really satisfy me so like I think I'd like that to be better.
01:09:38 ◼ ► Tim asks what do you think they'll call this year's iPhones my favorite question will they really make us say the iPhone 11s Pro Max or just go to 12 or something crazy like iPhone 5G.
01:09:47 ◼ ► I think they're going to 12 personally I think it's going to be 12. Okay just quick question lots of phone makers this year making big jumps like Samsung just went to 20 because like 2020 Apple wouldn't do that would they just go to 12.
01:10:04 ◼ ► I don't know like I feel like I've been saying for years that Apple doesn't want to end up in a situation where it's like ladies and gentlemen the iPhone 24 right like they could call it the iPhone 5G I mean they call it the iPhone 3G.
01:10:19 ◼ ► So here's the thing so so I keep thinking how do they get out away from the increments and I'm not sure that they have found a way to do that but this would be an opportunity for them to brand if they truly have their whole line as 5G to bring it that way it's just to call the iPhone 5G and ride on the fact that everybody is talking about 5G this year.
01:10:39 ◼ ► And then next year they could still make the iPhone you know 12 or 13 or make it something else but if I had to if I had to put money down on one thing it would be 12 not 11s because I agree that with this new wide array of different variant names like you know Pro Max 11s Pro Max is a mouthful it's not like there wasn't a 10s Pro Max so they might do it but.
01:11:10 ◼ ► Don't forget there's still those rumors of like more and more phones this year so like naming could get bananas.
01:11:17 ◼ ► We could end up with iPhone 12 iPhone 12 Max iPhone 12 Pro iPhone 12 Pro Max with 5G I actually kind of like iPhone 5G and iPhone 5G Pro that's that feels good to me rather than the number and I agree with you like you have the ability to do it this year for a good reason.
01:11:36 ◼ ► So why not give it a go and then next then next year just do something completely different rather than saying oh it's the 12 or the 13 now.
01:11:45 ◼ ► Jonathan asks when Apple switches the Mac to ARM what upgrades do you think you'll be able to make in the configurator do you like I Jonathan says I guess there just be one processor choice we still be able to choose RAM what do you think that do you think it's going to be so when if and when Apple switches to Mac the Mac to the ARM processors do you think it will be like.
01:12:05 ◼ ► An iPhone and iPad where you basically don't get any configuration options or do you think Apple will still allow you to make choices.
01:12:13 ◼ ► I wrote a Mac world column about this awhile ago because when I was looking at the MacBook Air.
01:12:27 ◼ ► I this moment where I thought oh it's going to be like this isn't it I do think that there will still be options on Macs.
01:12:44 ◼ ► If we really are end up in a world where there's an arm let's say MacBook Air and an arm MacBook Pro 13 and an arm MacBook Pro 16 which there might not be it's possible arm will only come to consumer and not to.
01:12:58 ◼ ► Pro laptops it's also possible that it will come to all laptops but my point is in that scenario it would not surprise me if computer a came with processor type a and computer B came with processor type B.
01:13:28 ◼ ► Ideally Apple would like to live in a world like the iPad and the iPhone where your choices are very limited like you don't buy an iPad and choose what processor goes in it.
01:13:37 ◼ ► You can choose your storage you don't even choose your ram all over the iPad you can choose the most expensive one that has a little more ram but Apple doesn't talk about it so.
01:13:49 ◼ ► That's I think that's that's what Apple wants to do whether they'll be able to get away with it in all the details of what it's like to move a platform to arm and have a PC platform on arm will see but I think if given their druthers that would be what they would choose.
01:14:05 ◼ ► Stephen asks if you could make one third party device or an iPad or iOS feature exist to make podcasting from those devices better what would it be.
01:14:24 ◼ ► Apps being able to capture audio in the background I essentially I want audio hijack for iOS I want to be able on the on my Mac I can say record my microphone to a file record the sound coming out of Skype to a different file even like route the audio to different places for different tasks.
01:14:44 ◼ ► And that's all that I mean that to me that's the last piece that's missing is what I should be able to do is plug any USB microphone or audio interface into an iOS device or iPad OS device and press record and do what I do on my Mac and instead I have like a second recorder.
01:15:03 ◼ ► That's external that I'm using right now to do this so for me it's it's essentially that is I want the OS to provide that additional recording thing so that I can have you know audio hijack essentially on my iPad.
01:15:18 ◼ ► Alright if you I agree actually by the way like that's what I want just multiple streams of audio in software that they're being controlled sent and recorded just like you do on the Mac then we can do it that's the last thing that's it.
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