The Incomparable

00:00:02 ◼   ► it's the incomparable episode number 266 [TS]

00:00:06 ◼   ► for october 2015 [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► Kermit the Frog is not here but it is [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► the uncomfortable podcast and we are [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► talking about the muppets i am your host [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► Jason snow and i'm joined by for money [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► people to talk about Muppets in general [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► we will touch on the ABC Muppets series [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► and specific a little bit but then we're [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► going to move along past and I think [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► because there will be blood on the [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► tracks and we'll just move along nothing [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► more to see there but we will touch on [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► it a little bit because you gotta have a [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► news pic you gotta have some little [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► connection to to current events it's fun [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► and that's why we're doing this right [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► now let me introduce you to my panelists [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► David lower hello neighbor [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► hello urn filled Michaels is out there [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► hello Phillip Michaels I like to think [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► of myself as the Fozzie Bear of this [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► podcast I cannot do 40 interesting [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► because we like to think of you as the [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► scooter [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► you take that back you bastard I [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► apologize I didn't mean it [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► scooter is the most superfluous of all [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► of the muppets there's no Muppet more [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► useless than skater any how we're [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► getting you over so we will get saved [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► for the podcast what was it is the [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► pockets and admitted at least the [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► Schmeisser is also with us hello hi [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► there [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► I've always felt an affinity for Janice [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► are oh wow like well now I feel like [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► that's basically my country's most [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► conversations that wow man and Erica and [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► sign I I was also going to mention [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► Janice but Lisa went first and there's [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► enough Janice to go around man [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► not only that leaves you with a choice [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► of two characters i believe ya the vast [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► array of female Muppets there's Miss [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► Piggy now yeah sooo big issue other pigs [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► are also available [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► alright so we should talk about the new [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► ABC show The Muppets whereas we record [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► this two episodes have aired and I that [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► was that is the reason that I time this [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► episode be here although this was on the [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► schedule for quite a while even before [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► they announced they were doing a new [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► Muppet Show because I felt like we need [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► to give them up it's their do as it is [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► there is this new show on ABC that is [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► run code run by the one of the [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► co-creators of the big bang theory it is [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► a shot in the style of the office [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► a workplace sitcom featuring the muppets [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► as they work on Miss Piggy's late-night [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► talk show so two episodes you know who [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► knows what will happen in the run of the [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► show or if it is cancelled rapidly then [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► nothing will happen but i'm curious what [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► everybody thought of it I have I have [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► very mixed feelings about it and I think [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► I suspect some of you have not mixed the [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► feelings but I let's start with a just [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► taking the temperature of this before we [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► move on and talk about some other money [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► things [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► Lisa why don't you why don't you let us [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► know what are your thoughts start us off [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► about the new ABC Muppets series haha [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► look like wow man it's not but it's not [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► that sounded more like my best shows I [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► should apologize to listings for what [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► I've Unleashed um it's just so sad [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► um there's a court so i think i was a [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► lot of said public schools and it's I'm [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► because you know the thing that I really [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► loved about the nineteen seventies show [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► was the spirit of cheerful mayhem and [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► blinds purposefulness as it were like [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► all of these guys were deeply devoted to [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► pulling off this crappy little show and [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► they really love doing it was obvious [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► that's why there and instead everybody [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► here is working for a domineering boss [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► that they all hate there's some sort of [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► weird stockholm syndrome thing going on [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► comments girlfriend looks like she [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► should she shouldn't have a southern [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► accent I feel very strongly about that I [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► feel like since she looks like natalie [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► dormer from Game of Thrones she should [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► sound like her do um so I appreciate [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► that they're trying to bring in some of [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► the elements like that the cranky [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► celebrity cameos like I laughed at the [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► laurence fishburne bits [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► oh yeah the problem is that they've [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► attempted to revive and work we work [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► this show at a time when the people who [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► are most susceptible to nostalgia can [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► still readily remember what the original [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► Muppet Show was like and it doesn't sit [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► right with me i'm wondering if my [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► reaction is purely because I do remember [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► the original Muppet Show and I respond [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► to that and people who maybe grew up on [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► YouTube clips or not seen the original [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► Muppet Show were like no this is awesome [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► I've always dreamed of Puppets having [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► work like workplace conflict and last [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► ABC is dead [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► yes if Papa 10 jobs wouldn't they also [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► have soul-crushing problems with their [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► jobs you know where that exactly [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► David what are your thoughts about the [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► ABC Muppets not mixed it all [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► no I didn't think they would be now no I [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► like my feelings about the muppets like [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► I like my bourbon straight [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► uh-huh little splash of water maybe two [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► maybe [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► yeah 22 to cut the edge yeah it is [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► depressing [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► I mean that that's the thing is the [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► original show yet maybe it wasn't the [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► greatest variety show ever made and [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► that's why you had Statler and Waldorf [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► and but but with Kermit in charge it was [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► ok for piggy to be an absolute monster [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► right but when you flip that dynamic [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► you're kind of killing permits joy and [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► and and no matter how bleak things got [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► when when when Jim Henson was there i [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► mean when no matter whose bleep things [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► got in the movies or the show there was [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► always this essential optimism even when [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► Kermit was down he wasn't beaten and [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► ever since jim hansen passed away [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► it's kind of interesting psychologically [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► Kermit has always been a little bit [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► depressed but in this he's beaten down [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► I mean in the pilot he says my life is a [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► bacon-wrapped hell yes and in in the [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► second episode he talks about how he [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► doesn't know he now that piggy is happy [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► and dating Josh Groban hehe doesn't wake [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► up he wakes up in the morning to his [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► alarm clock instead of his own screening [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► yep and and get house is really [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► disturbing wide what the hell you know [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► and and subscribers laughing because I [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► can understand that [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► why the big why is this acceptable to [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► have current waking up to the sound of [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► screens and and so it's it's not so much [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► that it's got adult humor because them [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► up it's always had little adult besides [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► and jokes that's fine maybe it's it's a [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► little more crude than it used to be but [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► no for me it's that there's no joy there [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► is no optimism and there's no magic you [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► know seeing their legs is not magic I [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► was got more of a sense of magic even [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► when you can see the rods moving [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► currents arms right because there was a [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► safe to him and and this is just dead i [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► think david really hit the nail on the [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► head with the concept of joy it is a [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► joyless show ya get it there that it it [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► is as if everyone and and it's [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► interesting that let me back up the the [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► a big bang theory fellow you mentioned [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► he actually got to start working with [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► Network for jim hansen he worked for jim [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► has already know and i can only assume [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► that they sent him out for sandwiches a [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► lot because he he seems to have it in [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► airlifted to okay here's a puppet show [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► go at it well let's make the puppet sad [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► and joyless and what's too much big bang [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► theory pneus yeah yeah and i'm not i [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► don't wanna go [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► you can't have the muppets do that [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► that's not Muppet canon but sounds like [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► San Diego a little bit i mean the real [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► san diego not the one who is in the show [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► it to me if you're gonna if you're gonna [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► do a show and call it in [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► Muppets at least um have it somewhat [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► have a vein running towards what made [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► them up it's so great which is was that [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► anarchic a spirit and that lets do [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► anything for a laugh and instead of just [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► oh and yeah it's it's anarchy is [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► supposed to mean spirited slapstick yeah [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► yeah I mean spirited yeah you and and [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► the old shell Kermit was sort of the [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► column in center and in here he is that [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► he slashed he is the black joyless pit [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► from which nothing can escape and and [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► he's just as freaked out as everybody [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► else it is it it's not easy being green [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► it is impossible being green lord anyhow [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► I don't like it I don't like it a bit i [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► don't like a thing about it i hope that [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► it gets cancelled very quickly if i stop [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► thinking about the fact that this is [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► supposed to be the muppets I like I was [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► mildly entertained by parts of it I [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► didn't think it was was terrible but [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► when I think about that show in in [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► comparison to the rest of the the muppet [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► cannon I i find it hard to disagree i [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► think that that while there were some [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► moments that kind of made me laugh [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► the thing that I liked about it so much [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► was that the Muppets were there was a [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► knee [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► they were wacky [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► you and they're there isn't any of that [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► here and I think kind of what they did [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► it's actually this is this is me using [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► my own my contractual obligation to [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► mention doctor who write this particular [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► one reminds me [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► it sort of reminds me a little bit in a [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► bad way of the the difference between [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► classic Doctor Who and new Doctor Who [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► and the classic series of Doctor Who [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► they weren't really focused on the [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► interpersonal relationships and stuff it [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► was more about the plot and the stories [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► and you know whiz-bang fun and when they [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► brought the show back they realize that [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► television is not quite made the same as [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► it was back in those days so they needed [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► to update it and to make it a little bit [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► more like television is made these days [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► and I think what they did on doctor who [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► is they [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► they upped the the hope and the joy and [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► the love factors very much and brought [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► in the the emotions in that way and I [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► think they kind of did the opposite with [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► the muppets because they took out all of [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► the emotions that made everything [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► wonderful and in their idea of the way [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► television is made now is is that [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► everything is is you know joyless and in [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► hipstery and just unfun and dark and and [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► I think that they they missed the mark [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► well you when you when you model it on [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► the office a show which is about a [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► terrible boss crushing the spirit of [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► people who cannot find other jobs and [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► are forced to deal with the terrible [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► boss you are that is what you're signing [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► up for and and that's when I say my [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► feelings are actually kind of like [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► Erica's actually I i thought the show [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► was funny and I i like the Muppets as [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► characters because they're the muppets [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► right and yet there is this thing about [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► it that i'm not convinced that they [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► couldn't fix if they are aware that it [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► what they're doing and I think that's [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► the big open question is are they aware [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► of how this is coming off and they're [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► like oh god we gotta fix this or like [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► now it's great [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► let's just keep it like it is because I [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► understand the first two episodes are [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► very much largely the content of the of [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► the sample reel that they shot in order [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► to sell this name because that's the [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► stuff shop stuff that stops me up short [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► and it makes me go wait a second is that [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► you compare it to who these characters [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► are in your you're making the show [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► because you've got these existing [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► characters and your kind of banking on [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► them and people have them [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► clarity with them and their kind of [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► loved and then you are putting them in a [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► sitcom environment where it might even [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► be a funny sitcom and we can argue about [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► that if we cared to that I it worked for [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► me as comedy while a lot of the time but [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► you're doing things to these characters [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► that don't fit them and you know I i [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► mentioned this on the TV talk machine [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► last week and i'll mention it again [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► which is I I know Kermit and piggy were [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► married and they were dating and that [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► implies a romantic relationship that we [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► could apply to like human context it's [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► like they always stayed on one side of [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► the line and on this show their of way [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► over on the other side of the line where [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► I'm suddenly having wondering about like [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► the sex life of Kermit the Frog and you [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► know Gotye childhood that was my child I [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► don't want to know that common piggy had [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► an understanding that if comet ran into [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► Lea Thompson in elevator they could do [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► it I don't need to know that right [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► that's you but now you know but now I [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► know and it's and that's when it's [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► something that wasn't going to stop [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► yeah well yeah it's too it's too it's [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► too far so it's like this is the problem [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► with it is that I i can say as somebody [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► who actually thinks that the show is is [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► entertaining that it's still deeply [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► problematic because they're been there [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► like squandering the the value that they [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► have which is the reason they're making [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► the show which is the fact that it's the [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► muppets at some point it's like why why [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► isn't this the avenue q show because [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► maybe it would be better if they were [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► wacky puppets that work work quite the [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► muppets that you were seeing in these [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► scenarios like in Avenue Q and not the [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► actual Muppets my headcanon is that [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► there is actually another Muppet Show [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► that's kind of behind this one that's [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► the real Muppet Show and this this [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► office e-type thing is just something [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► that they signed on to do because they [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► knew is going to make the money so this [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► is the enterprise that they are working [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► on now to make money and television but [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► there still are wacky crazy people when [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► they get off of this particular set i [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► just want to see that show that's kind [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► of the middle there instead Kermit I [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► think I think I think Phil's got it [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► exactly right said Kermit is sad and [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► permit you know Kermit was always put [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► upon but he will [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► is like a go-getter he's like I'm gonna [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► make it work right and it and even if he [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► had got really down like in The Muppet [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► movie there would be a moment where he [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► would turn it around and in this he is [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► just so soon as always [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► hey kids let's put on a show in the [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► shower and we'll just put it all [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► together a little worried that his [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► friends and rally around him because [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► that was like one of the greatest things [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► about all of the muppet properties is at [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► some point the cheerful Anarchy pauses [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► dr. teeth and the Electric Mayhem look [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► up and realize that they make people's [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► lives more difficult or gonzo puts down [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► the chicken and and pays attention to [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► what's going on with these two one [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► sexual fetish that was allowed to the [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► original money pit was gonna throw in [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► the chickens we need to enter like we [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► need to rally around karma and help our [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► friend because of what and it was this [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► great example of how friendship is this [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► this beautiful self was Evan flow [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► depending on on your needs and and what [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► you're capable of doing the time and [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► here like every every month is like a [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► little coworker island and that they got [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► in some parts of workplace culture kind [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► of right like I really I i thought the [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► barbarous like the girl scout cookies [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► thing was slow but that was well down [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► yeah it was not you know especially in [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► the newscaster came and there is little [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► and then they finally realize that if we [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► sell snacks to the stoners will make a [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► lot of money which that's a nice little [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► thing and that almost legal it's legal [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► now I i laughed a lot of the idea that [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► they were going to do the Electric [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► Mayhem unplugged the idea of the [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► acoustic mayhem that made me laugh [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► it's when you see zoo playing the the [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► panpipes and you're like oh my gosh is [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► that they really went through there were [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► parts of the episode that would have [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► been really funny if the show had again [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► that spirit of joyful chaotic prints to [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► an opportunity of of sadness that you [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► know you're miserable and yeah it's also [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► all chopped up right [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► the the beauty of the Muppet Show and [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► even Muppets tonight was that they let [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► things breathe and and they let a [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► premise play right and this this was [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► just like oh here's a quick shot of them [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► playing acoustic here's another shot [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► name go to the National advocate though [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► it's 2015 i don't think they can make [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► puppets tonight of the muppet show today [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► so they have to have to put it it you [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► know to use erika storm gotta put in a [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► modern context it's just what you do in [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► the modern context and you're right you [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► know there's no room for that [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► i think the the one thing that killed me [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► was the kids pointed out i mean i didn't [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► have the same kind of awareness when I [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► was little because you didn't have the [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► computers in YouTube and everything [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► right so I knew Johnny Carson was but at [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► that time you just had Johnny Carson [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► where is now thanks to youtube they know [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► all of this stuff so they're sitting [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► there going a late-night talk show [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► there's so many of them who cares right [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► because they they can watch Seth Meyers [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► and Conan and colbert and James Corden I [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► don't know I didn't lie i did like yeah [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► but the fact that picky the only female [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► host on late-night TV that was a bad [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► really only clever thing about that i [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► love that that said it's also kind of [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► contextually hilarious given that [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► there's still no substantial female [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► Muppets beyond picky in jannah that [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► seems like a more more appropriate [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► context than a vaudeville theater right [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► i mean i feel like it's it's not it's [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► not the worst [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► what's the most popular show on NBC [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► america's got talent you could do that [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► kind of show with Muppets judging and [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► Muppets performing and and special [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► guests performing that would work just [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► fine it'll be in your pitch in five [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► years yeah when they have to reboot it [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► alright I I feel like we should now not [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► dwell on the ABCs Muppets let's go and [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► talk about the muppets that were [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► available in many other things films TV [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► series other things to talk about [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► wish we were should we start with that [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► should we start with that I guess we [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► should start with a muppet show should [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► we are or filled you want to talk about [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► the saturday night live season 1 Muppets [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► don't know [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► no no no nobody wants to talk about the [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► red that that wasn't old either [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► no it was very bad the muppet show so I [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► i have as I assume everybody has fond [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► memories of the muppet show i also have [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► a memory of saying that i wanted the [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► soundtrack to the muppet movie and my [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► mom bought me the soundtrack to the [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► muppet show which was not as good as the [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► Sun mother but but the the muppet show [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► can I just say I'm really frustrated by [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► the fact that this stuff is not widely [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► available online streaming i know there [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► i think i think there are dvds of it but [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► it's like I want the hot and cold [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► running Muppets man i want to [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► I want to be able to watch all those [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► classic muppet show episodes and I [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► believe they're nowhere right now I [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► wonder how much of that is the fact that [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► Disney owns it and disney tends to be [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► standing I i feel you know what it puts [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► out because they they want the big they [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► want the big money grab not the not the [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► constant flow of little money and just [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► who's buying dvds now right [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► well i also wonder about music rights [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► for some of these things too that maybe [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► yep because it seems like getting [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► clearance and all of the songs at all [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► the guests performed might be a bit [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► tricky so how was the muppet show the [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► introduction for everybody or were other [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► people introduced to the muppets in [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► other ways [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► I mean Sesame Street aside because i [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► can't ya a sesame street with Kermit you [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► know Kermit and big bird and [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► snuffleupagus actually when I was a [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► little kid watching the live a sad [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► Muppet story [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► oh no when I was a little hook and [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► watching the from Sesame Street I was I [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► was an only child at the time when I was [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► very little and say I thought that [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► Bernie were my best friends and I used [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► to talk to the television apparently I'm [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► told so just sit there and talking I [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► guess I thought they were talking back [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► to me and and one year my parents took [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► me to see Sesame Street Live which if [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► you don't know is a stage show that [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► travels around has you know big Muppets [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► onstage and size call it a lie with so [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► excited was gonna be the greatest night [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► of my life so so we went before the show [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► started some of the Muppets were roaming [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► around the audience and you know waving [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► to kids and shaking hands and star now [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► and and Ernie was walking past us you [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► know kind of kind of nearest US and I [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► called out to him because he was my best [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► friend in the whole wide world and was [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► like Ernie earning its me and he just [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► walked on and it was the saddest day of [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► my little life [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► hey yeah the show was not so great after [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► that I i know i still haven't quite [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► gotten over it so yeah that was my [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► introduction of the muppets was a sesame [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► street and then discovering they didn't [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► love me as much as I love them you walk [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► past when he heard you cry he went on [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► Queen would God's gonna answer letters [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► Erica okay so they're Sesame Street mean [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► right that's that that's how they get [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► you early as they get you early with the [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► sesame street I wasn't here [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► really confuses a small child is to my [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► current would be on both Sesame Street [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► in the muppet show because to me like [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► why did he abandoned his friends on [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► Sesame Street for these people was going [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► because I was like five or six at the [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► time it was terribly disjointed to [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► because I I are they replacing Burton no [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► no baby doing artwork [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► let me explain the market universe to [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► you Lisa get turned on the head can [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► America here we go guys [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► mm-hmm kerman lived on Sesame Street his [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► job was at the Muppet Theater which was [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► clearly in New York because of all the [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► big celebrities that would drop by at [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► the puppet theater and you know his his [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► newsman gig that was how he originally [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► made his his name for himself and then [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► he broadened out into being a variety [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► show host Melissa legitimate theater [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► yeah interesting theory and so that's [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► that it all makes sense when you think [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► of as a kid I was very confused by the [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► muppet show because I didn't have any [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► idea who any of the celebrities were now [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► that you know for me it was the show [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► that's on like saturday at four in the [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► afternoon it's just me watching it's not [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► the parents or anything like that [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► I I understand now that was made in [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► england and it was syndicated in the US [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► and perhaps in some markets in some [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► places maybe even in England it was [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► shown at a time when parents and [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► children might be watching it together [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► but to me I was just you know it was a [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► show i watched as a kid and I had no [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► idea who these grown-ups are to a point [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► that now whenever they show and then and [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► they always do some celebrity and say [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► hey they were on the Muppet Show and [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► i'll be like I have no idea i had no [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► idea the muppet show even though i've [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► seen every episode of The Muppet Show [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► because your kid you don't know who you [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► know these celebrities are you want to [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► start a muppet movie had no idea who Bob [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► Hope was or so you were Alice Cooper was [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► no but that was only because my parents [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► are in Wisconsin is that the John Denver [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► Muppet relationship which was a long and [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► printed unfruitful everybody was a [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► closeted Muppet that's what ya don't [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► know not a closeted not so closet now [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► he's young I mean everybody knew you [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► know but they didn't talk about it was [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► that new synthetic skin now instead of [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► felt Don't Ask Don't felt no it was that [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► deeply can because my mom is a John [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► Denver family I was a very small child [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► and so finally when he came a house like [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► okay if John Denver's on the muppets [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► then clearly this is ok [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► this is this is a safe space and then he [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► did a Christmas special that i still try [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► to find on youtube from time to time [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► because the twelve days of Christmas is [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► a genuinely funny Jim genuinely funny [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► takedown but I didn't like Jason I [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► didn't know these people were um I [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► didn't realize that Harry Belafonte [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► didn't stand a series of of what were [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► considered fairly radical songs i mean i [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► just really like the beat and it's not [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► like we go back and review clips and we [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► realized oh my gosh thats really dark [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► it's a symphony made of babies and their [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► change much but there but they're great [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► they're so funny [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► it's just that there's also a ton of [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► background jokes and that's another [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► thing that I feel is kind of you know [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► that the contrast between us the show on [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► ABC looks beautiful like the [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► cinematography is very crisp [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► oh yeah and it feels very modern and [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► very fresh and very expensive [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► I'm very impressed by the technical [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► aspect of the fact that it's not like a [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► fake documentary and sometimes they do [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► shots and I'm like wow that must have [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► been very hard to do because those are [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► puppets every i find myself wondering a [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► lot about the composition of the shots [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► but i miss the background details in the [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► doctor marginalia where you'd have like [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► three penguins time bow ties in the [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► background well there are some amazing [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► bits i would say in episode 2 of the ABC [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► series where especially sweetums is [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► doing something in the background see [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► focus and I don't even I wasn't even [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► paying attention to what was happening [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► in the foreground because I was like [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► what is Sweden two doing back there [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► there so there's a little bit of that I [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► think they're making the attempt but [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► it's harder with it technically yeah [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► where is the idea that baroque trying to [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► set dressing in the mothers show [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► especially that's like every little [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► corner of the muppet show had something [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► to pause for a second to tell you about [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► our sponsor if if if that's okay with [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► everybody feeling when you drink [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► encounter details untold is our sponsor [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► again and you know we're talking about [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► things that kids like like the macho and [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► and then we watched his kids and you [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► know there's a lot of good at Kids [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► Entertainment there's a lot of terrible [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► kids entertainment out there between [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► characters say map [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► say it say map I don't know what i'm [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► talking about that music lots of ads [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► that's not what you get with tails and [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► told tales and told as a nap it features [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► original episodic audio stories for [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► young children that's right I'm talking [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► about podcast for kids but there are [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► things that will not make the ears of [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► the parents believe there are horrible [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► squeaky voices and super annoying [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► characters say map [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► I'm absolutely no ads you can feel good [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► about kids listening every tale is [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► organized in seasons and episodes just [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► like TV shows there are new seasons and [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► new tales added regularly I I check this [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► out and I the one that caught my [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► interest was something called red bird [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► which is about a monster and I i think [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► it is it slight disappointment to his [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► parents because he's really bad at being [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► bad he's terrible at being terrible he's [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► like a you know he needs to work on his [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► monster game a little bit and it's very [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► sweet and funny and I've got a bunch of [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► other things they've got a got us a spy [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► sort of related show they've got a magic [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► treasure chest called trunkshow they've [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► got at the show involving a i'm abby [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► grudgingly friendly forest gnome you [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► know gnomes they are always if friendly [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► at all it is but grudgingly called [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► trouble with wishes there's a whole [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► bunch of different stories that you can [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► get on tails and told it's an app it's [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► free it comes loaded with the first [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► episode of every tale and then if you [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► find one you like you can go to the [TS]

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00:25:46 ◼   ► tales are told and check out those [TS]

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00:25:52 ◼   ► / and comfortable thank you two tails [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► untold for sponsoring this week's [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► episode with the incomparable I'm I'm [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► rather partial to the spy-1 myself hmm [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► very nice what we're talking about TV [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► shows because i also want to touch on [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► the Muppet movies because that's very [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► very important aspect of you must its [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► franchise i want to mention Muppets [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► tonight which aired on ABC in the [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► nineties people forget about the show [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► disney to maybe two films point disney [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► seems to have done a very good job of [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► burying the show it and us unfortunately [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► it seems now like its biggest claim to [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► fame is that that's where Pepe the prawn [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► was introduced and lambobo i believe ya [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► yes I will I again it was I haven't seen [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► it since it was on the nineties but i [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► loved it in the nineties there's [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► somebody is my mid-twenties I thought [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► Muppets tonight was a really great kind [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► of updated take on the Muppet Show and I [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► I thought it was great [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► I was very sad that it didn't last very [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► long and that we have not been able to [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► see it since then I thought it was [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► really great like the original it [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► managed to work in sitcom like running [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► stories later the episode while still [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► being able to do the things that the [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► muppets did best [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► yeah i'm told by the chatroom that it's [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► on youtube as with everything that's not [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► available anywhere by ABC didn't know [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► where to put it didn't fit with any of [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► the shows they had on at the time they [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► buried it on friday night with all the [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► full house and stuff about to get with [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► not tons of it not to be Erica at her [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► own game but I'm gonna I'm gonna make a [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► slight doctor who reference here in the [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► sense that in England I know because [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► doctor who is this [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► there's this concept of family [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► programming and it's not children's [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► programming and it's not adults [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► programming something for the whole [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► family to watch and put it on at seven [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► in the evening or 630 or something like [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► that and i think this is one of the [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► problems with the muppets in general and [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► we may be seeing it reflected in the [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► muppet show that's on the a B on on ABC [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► right now which is we kind of don't have [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► a place and Muppets tonight was exactly [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► that for the show that it's not like [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► your regular sitcom it is it does have [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► this kind of innocence enjoy about it a [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► little bit and I feel like maybe [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► American television or at least the [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► broadcast networks have no idea what to [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► do with something with that tone and [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► some of its tonight got lost because it [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► wasn't circle [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► yeah and I mean he was also a musket [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► strange late but again and then won [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► america's got talent has kinda I mean [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► it's still in full of adult jokes to and [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► and the things that fly over its head [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► but my kids love it and then we want [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► your best time ever which is I think [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► aiming for that kind of fun it that is [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► awful but when you have a reality show [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► is what you're going to say and maybe I [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► don't know maybe we need neil patrick [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► harris with Muppets maybe that will also [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► a muppet people know that Muppet yeah [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► and after every night from it when I was [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► little I I knew the muppets before the [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► muppet show because of sesame street but [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► also because I lived with my [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► grandparents my mom and I lived with my [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► grandparents were also moments they were [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► Muppets to well-balanced museum come on [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► and they but they watched everything [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► they watched all the Bob Hope specials [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► every every couple months on NBC and all [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► you know so i got the steady diet of who [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► all of these people were and i would [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► also get the the story wall they lived [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► in virginia in the fifties when Kermit [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► made his debut on salmon friends on the [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► local TV station i got the whole history [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► of government and Jim Henson and how he [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► became this thing that was on the Jimmy [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► Dean show with Ralph in the sixties and [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► you know all of this stuff so when the [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► muppet show came along was so of course [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► we're all going to sit and watch this [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► this is brilliant requested from the [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► chat room to also mention Fraggle Rock [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► I never saw Franco other mother doesn't [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► other models for it but I like the theme [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► song it's a very good things yes it is a [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► very catchy we didn't have HBO so I [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► absolutely miss the window for that [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► Fraggle Rock was not a good TV program [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► all right through your article we [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► mentioned it's okay [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► chatroom glad you're getting an allergy [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► any other thoughts about about other [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► Muppet Muppet TV shows and all that I [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► mean I just want to put in that shout [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► out from up its night my phone numbers [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► of it was sad when I received the jim [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► henson television our on NBC [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► no no everything's storytelling [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► restricted or the storytellers wonderful [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► i love i have have the complete series [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► understand that you can watch on netflix [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► or at least you could for a while [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► yeah the the jim henson television our [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► was like I think that was the last [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► project he worked on and it was it was [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► trying to blend Muppets with computer [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► animation and all these findings it's a [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► just a put a muppet in a blender talk [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► about the sad mother yeah it's it's it's [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► like mike nesmith elephant parts it's [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► weird right and it's hosted by kermit [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► and some other Muppet who has been wiped [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► from existence [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► I think his name was pixel or something [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► like that he had sort of like a freaky [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► I don't know he was Green and had things [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► coming out of his head and looked all [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► computery and it was odd i mean you [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► could look at it and go well that's [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► really creative stuff but it's not [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► interesting [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► I want to watch it but good job media [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► outlets being disappeared like it's some [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► sort of South American dictatorship [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► reminded all of the night like a team as [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► argon says chickens Kicks down your door [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► and throw a bag over the muppets had [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► never to be seen the galaxy gonzo as a [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► South American dick [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► and I think that would suit him that [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► would be brilliant gonzo and moon over [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► Parador i was seeking God's on the Vita [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► really [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► mm so um movie Muppet movies we've got [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► the right we got the range of them from [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► The Muppet movie through the muppets [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► take manhattan and then there are many [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► many other mother movies and then there [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► was the the jason segel Muppet movie and [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► its sequel Phil I know you have a lot of [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► opinions about movies with much would [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► you like to talk about that that now [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► well cher iiiiii I worry that i'm giving [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► the impression that I'm overly negative [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► on the muppets tonight with no Fraggle [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► Rock suck booing my I'm angry but you [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► know I think I have a certain idea of [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► what the muppets should be which was [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► fostered from the cauldron of the TV [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► show which was great i was allowed to [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► watch three TV shows each weekend [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► Wow and when I was a kid and one of them [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► was the muppet and over the over to the [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► other two happy days and there was this [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► really crummy game show I don't even [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► remember the name of it was called [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► all-star anything goes and I thought it [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► was a speed list celebrities competing [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► in this is it was the daredevil or a [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► double dare of its day [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► so point is to say almost refuse most [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► important one of those was the Muppets [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► Muppets was untouchable the others could [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► be negotiated but the muppets was [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► untouchable and the muppet movie of [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► course is is great it's brilliant it's a [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► terrific [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► it's one of the few origin stories that [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► actually uh nice works as a narrative it [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► seamlessly blends in the celebrities and [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► that it's not in there are a couple of [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► things like hey everyone its Bob oh but [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► for the most part you have steve martin [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► just playing a waiter and uh [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► Orson Welles / seals as a movie single a [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► studio head and all all sorts a did [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► Richard Pryor is in there selling [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► balloons of course who wouldn't put [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► Richard Pryor in a kids movie and 19 cm [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► is my wife my wife and I to this day [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► will reference the muppet movie I'm not [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► not a lot of week goes by where there [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► isn't a reference especially if there's [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► a fork in the road or there's a a place [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► when you're driving and you have to tell [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► somebody to bear left right frog we [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► still ended up my car there's also steve [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► martin's would you like to sniff the cap [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► yeah yeah so good that is again the [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► music the rear the rainbow then using a [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► little bit of your eye moving right [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► along as you say the soundtrack is [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► excellent there's only one song on there [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► i really don't care for but since I'm [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► you know but just unable to be negative [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► even when i've been wildly praiseful [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► yeah i like i like the great muppet [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► caper the great muppet caper is a fun [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► you know [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► oh man is that fun i would be my [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► favorite of the movies [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► oh my gosh i could go as I'm gonna be [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► there wasn't money when they have miss [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► piggy in the jail [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► oh it is a nice self-contained story and [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► I like that about it and it it is as [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► they say a caper we can argue about its [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► greatness but it is paper involving [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► Muppets so I i scrape it is really great [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► is Freddie paper involving Muppets this [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► is that the new movies feels [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► self-conscious in a way that the older [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► movies don't [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► yeah it's true because we watched um [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► what was the watch most recent as tina [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► fey's this as the Russian guard about [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► the most wanted weapons most wanted and [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► um that movie deeply upset our [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► four-year-old daughter [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► well all deeply as an adult I am amused [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► by the evil kermit the frog in [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► manufacturing already surveys i found [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► that funny as a child I would be deeply [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► disturbed the hazel soon as the first [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► she was she was terrified by the idea [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► that his friends wouldn't recognize him [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► yes is appalled at the idea that bad [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► guys would set up bad things to happen [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► to people who didn't deserve it or [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► Muppet didn't deserve it [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► and the the overall terror of things [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► happen to her friend Kermit completely [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► out with everything else and you know [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► again as an adult there was I enjoyed [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► the josh groban is the prisoner that's [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► kept in a box and he just sings and i [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► love i love the prison drama review i [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► thought that was hilarious especially [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► the Ray Liotta stuff um there's a lot of [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► you know that the detectives there are a [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► lot of bits that got close but it felt [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► like entertainment has made more for [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► grownups and in some ways and and again [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► as possible because i had an opportunity [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► to test drive to an actual child and I [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► was like wow this really doesn't work [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► for four-year old shit not work [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► let me tell you where the Muppet movies [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► started to go off the rails please do [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► but stick Manhattan [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► yep yep you know grill makes me ill Phil [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► okay that's a great great bit but yes it [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► is independent of that the problem with [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► muppets take manhattan is that unless [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► it-it-it wants to have its cake and eat [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► it too it wants to be this like little [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► self-contained story like the great [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► muppet caper but then it's all no no [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► this is Canada this is how the muppets [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► met ignore the movie we made six years [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► earlier or eight years original here [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► yeah yeah I'm not even ya know they all [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► went to college together and then they [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► hit the big time and yeah Kermit and [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► Miss Piggy really married so there you [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► go [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► oh and we've we've made adorable baby [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► Muppets and that's going to be a cartoon [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► now [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► Oh No yes don't don't speak of a mother [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► babies so I did he speak of it sometimes [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► doesn't exist [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► yeah Lisa Lisa and I watched out of the [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► the the muppets take manhattan about a [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► year-and-a-half ago I want to say and it [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► it doesn't even have the advantage of [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► holding up well it's the Sun this is the [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► songs aren't all that good the the apart [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► from both of the advertising frogs again [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► a brilliant concept [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► ah mm admit but mostly most the show [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► isn't very good and I think that's where [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► they really began to take their eye off [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► the ball with Kermit where they kind of [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► made Kermit overly sentimental uh no my [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► friends o.o know in that and every movie [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► since then has sort of amp that up where [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► cut with [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► worker but sort of keeps becoming more [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► and more of a sad sack and 22 now where [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► it's the natural extension [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► well of course someone launching a new [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► TV show would be welcome it's sad it's [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► it says so here in the movies and I [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► think that's if you want to chart the [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► point where the muppets sort of lost [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► their way and stop being the muppets as [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► we knew resign you and love them it [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► would be the movie [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► Erica I heard you agreeing about that [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► one yeah actually I i was so unimpressed [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► with the muppets take manhattan but [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► that's actually the last movie that I [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► even bother to watch [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► I don't think anyone is the first Jason [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► Segel one but nothing between there [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► oh god every time someone mentions that [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► movie it's like they're hitting me it's [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► slipping the the muppets the jason segel [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► moving [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► I hate that movie so much no I enjoyed [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► I I will see what I like bret mckenzie [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► these songs in both movies [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► yes the songs that i like to slide [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► that's the only thing but look you can [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► its Walter it's stupid water won't use a [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► generic muppet you know it's like it's [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► like it's like imagine that the that [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► movie that you introduced a Walther [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► imagine that's a rubber sheet and Walter [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► is the tiny ball that weighs [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► approximately 50 pounds and rolls all [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► over the river she destroyed it in every [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► single direction you know what I [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► actually had no idea who you were [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► talking about when you said Walter so [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► that tells you exactly and I'm still not [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► sure he's a blanket but he is but he's [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► the muppet that is what Jason seagulls [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► childhood friend who is a more sibling [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► it's a rigorous moving others that did [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► that made absolutely zero impression of [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► me but there's a bit of the rundown [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► theater and they got to bring it back [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► and then there's this little bad [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► animators and I thought there work I [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► i'll say i'll say that um that what I [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► got out of that that film is that Jason [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► Segel truly loves the Muppets yes [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► and-and-and Muppets Most Wanted which I [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► thought was fine and had some funny bits [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► in it it felt like the migratory sequel [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► but this this did feel like a little bit [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► of a labor of love even though yes [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► Walter is problematic because he is not [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► anymore but we've ever seen before and [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► then we spend an awful lot of time with [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► him and he does nothing that's [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► interesting [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► he doesn't serve a purpose he's totally [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► the Mary Sue [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► jason segel yeah that's your Jason wants [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► to be like the genius behind the muppets [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► is that all of them are avatars of [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► different aspects of the human character [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► in some way shape or form carbon is [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► persistence and optimism and scooters [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► conscientiousness and gonzo is [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► alienation and sam the eagle is rigid [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► adherence to a code seller Waldorf are [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► your are your inner critics like every [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► one of the animal is the agent of chaos [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► yeah exactly is your ear he is the [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► raging in you Lucille America you need [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► an agent of chaos don't you don't you [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► just you really do I feel action resumed [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► royalties but first let's you know let's [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► make this the man said about pops his [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► pops tell me about pops you say this is [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► your a different building right now yeah [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► that's my point is is that with the [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► original number ensemble everyone then [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► reaches out and touches something in you [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► and and it becomes a more universal [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► experience and Walters experience is [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► nearly incomprehensible like it [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► literally is the embodiment of one of [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► the persons fandom and I'm glad jason [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► segel likes the muppets it's good to [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► like things it's good for some things [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► you like but that doesn't mean they're [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► good [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► I i think that the two problems with the [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► the muppets reboot was Walter as we've [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► established and it it's it it indulges [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► in a self-congratulatory nostalgia that [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► doesn't serve the material well and well [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► again it to me sitting in the theater [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► with the kids [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► it did not feel plausible that this is [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► how Carmen would end up in the beginning [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► of the movie he would not become a [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► reclusive Citizen Kane type in his [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► mansion remembering all his his hazy [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► sentimental memories of all the friends [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► who have left him he would it still be [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► making he would still be making art he [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► would still be doing a show or if your [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► error if you're going to do that go go [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► in the direction we're just taking over [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► the top where he's grown a crazy Howard [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► Hughes bear and he's wearing a Kleenex [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► boxes on his flippers and and his [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► slippers on of crazy long nails and [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► click every time this is melted and [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► Kermit yeah so I do i do have to say [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► that we're hearing some of the criticism [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► of there [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► and hearing some of the criticism of the [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► ABC series III do keep thinking that a [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► lot of this comes back to people having [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► childhood conceptions of what the [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► markets are and what they aren't and [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► being unwilling to see other [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► interpretations of it that don't match [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► exactly what their childhood and i'm not [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► saying that that's necessarily bad but [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► I'm saying that this is the difficult [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► situation the muppets as a franchise [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► find themselves in is that all of us are [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► judging them based on our are misty [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► water-colored memories of children [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► growing up with the Muppets and then [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► when somebody tries to put them in a [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► different context it's very easy for [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► somebody to say current wouldn't do that [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► yeah and-and-and you know David's Kermit [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► wouldn't do that is obviously different [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► from jason segel is Kermit wouldn't do [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► and therein lies i think a problem with [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► the whole thing is that is that you're [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► fighting against that's pretty powerful [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► thing to fight against I I could take it [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► if Kermit had that sense of joy if [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► Kermit were true to himself [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► you can do anything with him I don't [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► care where you set him but in that he's [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► thoroughly depressed i mean i've really [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► liked puppets from outer space which [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► yeah I'm space i was fine wherein gonzo [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► is revealed finally to be an alien let [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► me throw the flag here that the muppets [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► nineties movies which a lot of people do [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► not like I actually think her okay [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► and because i think they take the right [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► idea of let's take an existing story and [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► throw the muppets into it so of course [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► my treasure island get a christmas carol [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► Christmas ceremony is gonna be a Robert [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► barley the carpet permits going to be [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► God Cratchit and Jacob the Waldorf and [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► Statler going to be both to Jacob Marley [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► sure why not take it then Robert Martin [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► yeah and it's a bob marley from Roger [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► that flies right it has the kids it's [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► great though [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► yeah beautiful job and you know that [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► there are problems and flaws with the [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► movies but i like the fact that they're [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► actually taking uh Muppet characters and [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► and doing something with them other than [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► modernizing them to not very good effect [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► and of course Muppets and space is a fun [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► little picture you know similar similar [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► to the pretty good muppet caper where [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► you it's nice little self-contained [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► story [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► that incorporates celebrity cameos very [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► well I'm a comic book readers i'm used [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► two characters constantly being recast [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► rewritten put in situations that they [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► weren't 30 years ago [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► yeah so you know I I understand what [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► you're saying Jason with maybe we are [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► reacting because it's bumping up against [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► our conception of what the Muppets were [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► like when we were children and I think [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► you know that's why I that is one of the [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► reasons why I react so strongly but part [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► of it is also if I just don't enjoy it [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► for the sake of its not doing what I [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► think it should do then that's going to [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► be part of it to you know again [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► um with muppets most wanted a lot of [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► funny parts of the movie totally not [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► suitable for small people and so I was [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► kind of confused as to who the audience [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► for that is supposed to be um that said [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► the way he says map its and has to keep [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► practicing is really yes I wanted an [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► actual yeah no yeah maybe not good for [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► kids like 4i start the world's most evil [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► like the fact that the world's most evil [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► criminals a frog [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► yeah suddenly the muppets has become [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► something for 30-year old hipsters as [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► apart as opposed to something general [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► history you're only 30 and 40 year-old [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► hipsters can enjoy with our children [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► with their is it forward special [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► beverages it's alright [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► uh-uh so we've got some we've we've got [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► lots of opinions about Muppet movies [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► that there will be we had to pick one [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► that's the definitive is at the muppet [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► movie [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► it says they're so right in the title [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► friend yes haha yeah as much fun as the [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► other ones are it's not called a muppet [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► movie it's pure it is pure it's the [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► purest distillation of who the Muppets [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► are all right that's so that's that's [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► that's what we're going to say if you [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► are all in a world [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► word to the wise avoid the [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► direct-to-video Muppet pictures the very [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► member muppet christmas movie and the [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► muppet wizard of oz yeah permits swampy [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► your permit swap years old Lloyd that [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► one like no like it contains poison [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► because that is not a good production i [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► am up a classic theater also falls into [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► that category apparently according to [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► haven't heard of any of these and I'm [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► okay with that the direct-to-video the [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► directive video stuff is garbage i [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► believe that I I don't want to blame the [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► Germans but i think this was when they [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► were going [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► by the Germans ah purpose mom all right [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► there the two teeth the two TV movies [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► The Muppet Christmas moving them up [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► wizard of oz both directed by Kirk [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► Thatcher you may know him as the guy who [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► gives mr. Spock the finger in Star Trek [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► for the TV movie was not bad the [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► Christmas TV movie was not bad alright [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► got it got it got a little bit weird and [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► religiously at the end but i don't think [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► we have any money these guys credit [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► though because one of the things that [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► the muppet conglomerate corporation has [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► done right is they figured out really [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► early on they could use YouTube to like [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► supplement and extend the brand as it [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► were like they use a lot of market only [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► clip like the youtube mix ups and gone [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► up like the Bohemian Rhapsody aurorae do [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► those are your beaker and you know it i [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► was impressed that somebody there early [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► on said you know it doesn't have to be a [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► half-hour show it doesn't have to do [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► some more thinking about DVD sales this [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► can like they seem to understand viral [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► video in a in a fundamental in early way [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► and they seem to recognize the appeal of [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► remix culture so I think it's what I [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► find frustrating about the current show [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► is there are obviously smart people who [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► do creative and funny things and can [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► connect with an audience when they want [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► to and I just don't understand what [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► they're doing the show [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► well that if the TV show had just [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► brought a fraction of the creativity [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► that goes into some of those YouTube [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► clips we we wouldn't have spent the [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► first 15 minutes of the podcast [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► bellyaching [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► yeah although i will maintain that I [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► feel like that bad that the ABC show is [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► saveable and then like I said before I'm [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► not sure they think that it needs to be [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► saved and so i'm not sure i don't think [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► they do anything about it but I feel [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► like their clothes like a few changes in [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► tone could probably bring it around to [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► being successful like your face wasn't [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► super funny and absurd [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► yeah just making a little more [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► optimistic and making I mean honestly I [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► let me talk about a Parks and Rec here [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► the muppets feels like the first season [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► of Parks and Rec where Leslie Knope is [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► is is miserable [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► she's awful in the first season and then [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► they like Oh what if we made our likable [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► and I feel like that's a little bit like [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► cold carbons p is crushed and his soul [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► is being crushed he's going to be he's [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► going to baking for death with Kermit [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► was happier [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► maybe we would maybe that would do it [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► and it's like it's not that far away it [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► so you could you've got the Muppets and [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► you seem to know how to use them comedic [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► Lee to a certain extent [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► it's just you're making us really sad [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► yeah one and you know thinking of the [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► youtube viral videos maybe if you want [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► to appeal to the the current culture [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► maybe it should be about the [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► behind-the-scenes of making viral videos [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► for YouTube thing you know that's more [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► applicable to today the overkill of [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► late-night shows i think is just you [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► know icic piggy talking in an interview [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► setting with the New York City skyline [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► behind her and it doesn't really aside [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► from being a puppet [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► it doesn't really seem any different [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► from any of the other shows she's [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► probably be like the host of the daily [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► show but the problem is they want to [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► find a way to shoehorn in celebrity [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► cameos well I don't remember also a [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► muppet to travel awesome up another [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► viral video idea would allow them to do [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► kind of the the musical numbers just [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► that mean the old show so very [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► interesting what in that experience will [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► be quick in the first episode gonzo [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► pitches a sketch called dancing with the [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► Czar's yes yes guys beautiful you know [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► it's a funny little play on words but [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► the old Muppet Show would have actually [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► shown the sketch president yeah just [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► have got so talking about Benghazi would [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► come in dressed as like a rucksack [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► yeah exactly and and then be like no no [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► we cut that wasn't that good me like a [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► man and then he'd like to a little kick [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► dance on the way out [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► yeah and you see actually like a bunch [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► of people dressed as contact with swords [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► on the background the wood i was going [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► to say that for chickens cos x because [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► contact chickens that's funny [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► the show is often compared to 30 rock [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► and one of 30 Rock's great things which [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► just show you up a peek at the terrible [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► sketch and you know he's got acid by the [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► way also a muppet [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► yes yes here if you didn't Liz Lemon [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► also him up so we got a little bit of [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► time left and I thought that maybe I [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► would do something crazy which is an [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► impromptu puppet draft totally [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► unexpected Jason none of my guests are [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► prepared for this [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► I just made it up like half an hour ago [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► and yet here we are [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► I would like us to draft some favorite [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► Muppet as a way of talking about some of [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► the great character [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► because that that's really what the [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► Muppets are all about is these great [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► characters is it is an ensemble of [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► characters like liking it [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► Lisa to comic book universe and all that [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► it's not that far off [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► I mean there there's my floor we had a [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► we had those davidson on a muppet there [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► there's a what phil was talking about [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► about is it in canon or not i mean the [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► the the who these characters are is very [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► important to to the the entire idea here [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► so we're going to a muppet draft very [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► quickly lightning round it's all [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► lightning round Lisa you get to go first [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► well who's your first Muppet do beakers [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► and Bunsen honeydew comes a pack one [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► market for customers [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► yes Phil Phil I know your film you gotta [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► come up as a muppet if they're all on [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► the same stick they could be like one [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► Muppet like it's like my so don't ask [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► Tom felt Jason yeah it's um well then I [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► guess I'm gonna have to go Indiana's [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► first and then hope for the best light [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► around wow oh well man like yeah enjoyed [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► you pick because one of my favorite [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► running gags in all of the movies is [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► when they're having the conversations [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► and cast everyone dies down just as [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► Genesis thinks they'll be like so what [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► if i was walking naked on the beach man [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► and then she finally notices that from [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► super quiet it's just a really funny [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► non-sequitur i love that button every [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► single in the nineteen eighties movies [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► anyway [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► Erica picture Muppet i'm going to go [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► through off the dog [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► oh one of my favorites he not only is [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► you a musician but he's just he's got [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► sort of that he seems very [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► matter-of-fact about things but sort of [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► a dry deadpan humor but then every once [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► in a while he just you know does [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► something that's really wacky and he's [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► just got that goofy green just love it [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► it's not that he's got that bartender [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► quality to you to pour out your soul to [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► walk the dog and it in a way and I know [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► that they have it but it seems like [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► they've kind of retired him some [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► tensions death because incident really [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► even more so than Kermit the Frog Hanson [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► really had him yelled yeah yeah bill [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► will pick them up it [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► gonzo gun so I love guns oh yeah I love [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► everything about gonzo and I think [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► actually gonzo is held held up pretty [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► well in the ABC show because he's it's [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► still you know his nuts and it's still [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► the same ground that weird and [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► and it is the same guy he's a weirdo and [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► he loves chicken's you know gonzo David [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► pick a muppet well ralph was my first [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► choice guns was my 2nd trace will go [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► with Carmen yeah [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► current what can we say Kermit is the [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► definitive Muppet your it's amazing that [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► he felt a number for David now while I [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► know I know I was waiting for you I [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► figured all no one's gonna picture but [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► so also that way to put a pic was like [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► well Ralph yeah I've had died field and [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► empathy towards our health and and gonzo [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► I kind of him goofy like I'm so at times [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► but Kermit i am i've always sympathized [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► with because I make stuff and I put [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► stuff together and let's put on a show [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► and but again it's the join the optimism [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► and yeah for returned one I was given a [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► a Kermit the Frog hand puppet which i [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► still have I'm looking at him right now [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► I think I think Kermit is just so deeply [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► entwined with my psyche that I didn't [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► even think of picking him like I don't [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► think of him as a muppet he's just [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► Kermit he's a current I get that now my [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► problems i like the team's well yeah [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► yeah you might have to work on that [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► oh i didn't i'm not gonna draft him but [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► I didn't mention the best new Muppet [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► introduced in the jason segal movie and [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► the following movie is a tease robot i [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► love you bro but i'm not going to pick a [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► these robot here I'm going I'm going to [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► pick sam sam the eagle get pic uh yeah [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► and there is there is a joke [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► what is it in its I can't even remember [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► what is in there there is which was [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► visited them it's not a man i can [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► remember there is a joking them in a [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► movie or TV show I can't remember which [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► one it is now where there is an extended [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► bit that is increasingly weird and at [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► some point they just cut to sandy Eagle [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► who is shaking his head and since is [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► nothing sacred and they cut back and i [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► cannot literally cannot remember [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► anything more about anything about that [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► other than that Sam the Eagle is product [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► and to comment and some other characters [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► do on the action and in in the ABC [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► series he is the head of standards and [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► practices for the network which is a [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► funny joke although he was Bill used in [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► the pilot any one of my favorite [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► recurring bits from the first season is [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► he would he would always be brought out [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► to introduce the two singers i was a [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► dick Endora or wayne and wanda wayne and [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► wanda i knew it was a and he would [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► always come to to introduce it because [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► we're bringing class to the show now and [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► of course the songs would go [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► disastrously and and each subsequent [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► introduction he'd be more trepidatious [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► about doing it out that was a good bit [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► with see ya are for the second for the [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► second round you can pick you can pick [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► groups [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► Oh couple of weeks ago we had a stellar [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► in waldorf ya know well that was [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► literally I I didn't want to force [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► somebody to pick Statler or Waldorf yeah [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► you pick Sally you get water for free [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► that's my brother and I used to do their [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► bits after we watch the show together I [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► think Stalin Walter come off better than [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► any other characters in the ABC series [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► yeah because my just sit in the audience [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► because the crystals all over their [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► truest to their their original selves [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► and they fall asleep at one point [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► perspective voice like that's Paris leaf [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► it going on each other ya know they're [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► just they're just great i make me happy [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► every time I see them so startling where [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► the most lovable hecklers ever they are [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► mmm Erica pick another Muppet I'm gonna [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► go to animal i guess as you later on [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► prob [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► he was just goofy and then um my my [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► longtime roommate and very close friend [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► wendy is a drummer so I purchased a an [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► animal with a drum set toy for her a [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► long time ago which is just been sort of [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► like a bonding thing between the two of [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► us ever since so yeah love animal all [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► right Phil pick them up it [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► well since we can pick teams now which [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► is a boy rule i'm gonna take a Bunsen [TS]

00:56:49 ◼   ► honeydew and beaker good yeah there's [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► anything you need your physical comedy [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► speaker is even without dr. Bunsen [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► honeydew beaker is fantastic and there [TS]

00:56:58 ◼   ► is a good stand alone there is that [TS]

00:56:59 ◼   ► scene again i'm going to pick out like [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► little bits that are good [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► there's a scene in the second episode of [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► the ABC series where we're piggy is nice [TS]

00:57:07 ◼   ► to beaker and you can see that beaker it [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► had your second explode because he's [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► just pondering what [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► hey he is going to be horribly horribly [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► mutilated and nothing happens and it's [TS]

00:57:19 ◼   ► really funny because we know the history [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► of all the things that the effects are [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► sadly temporary there's a funny little [TS]

00:57:26 ◼   ► bit in the largely forgettable christmas [TS]

00:57:30 ◼   ► movie for that was made for NBC where [TS]

00:57:33 ◼   ► Bunsen honeydew is giving an explanation [TS]

00:57:37 ◼   ► because this river [TS]

00:57:39 ◼   ► well beaker I think you have a beautiful [TS]

00:57:41 ◼   ► mind too when i do that to each other [TS]

00:57:45 ◼   ► all the time it's my favorite Meryl bits [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► Mimi one of the things that bothered me [TS]

00:57:51 ◼   ► the most about the new Muppet Show was [TS]

00:57:54 ◼   ► the the part where dr. Bunsen honeydew [TS]

00:57:56 ◼   ► tases speaker just shut shut everybody [TS]

00:57:59 ◼   ► on that I I always as I love the their [TS]

00:58:02 ◼   ► duo but i like that it because always [TS]

00:58:04 ◼   ► getting tortured sort of in the name of [TS]

00:58:06 ◼   ► the shop with us right [TS]

00:58:08 ◼   ► it's never intentional and it's never [TS]

00:58:09 ◼   ► means press exactly well you know you [TS]

00:58:12 ◼   ► always think that the Bunsen honeydew [TS]

00:58:13 ◼   ► he's giggling underneath for sure but [TS]

00:58:16 ◼   ► his breast and that joke is a perfect [TS]

00:58:19 ◼   ► example that the people doing the TV [TS]

00:58:20 ◼   ► show they know the words but they don't [TS]

00:58:22 ◼   ► know the music now [TS]

00:58:24 ◼   ► yeah thank you David pick them up at [TS]

00:58:26 ◼   ► Swedish Chef your computer to see [TS]

00:58:29 ◼   ► behavior religions different bird hehe [TS]

00:58:34 ◼   ► mm that's uh that's good that is a [TS]

00:58:37 ◼   ► one-joke character it's a great job but [TS]

00:58:40 ◼   ► it's a little chilly good show [TS]

00:58:42 ◼   ► um I'm gonna pick with my second pick [TS]

00:58:46 ◼   ► I'm gonna go a little crazy little wild [TS]

00:58:50 ◼   ► oh I'm gonna pick big bird who is kind [TS]

00:58:54 ◼   ► of not a muppet but i consider big bird [TS]

00:58:56 ◼   ► Muppet an honorarium up even though it [TS]

00:58:58 ◼   ► is a person in a suit i feel i guested [TS]

00:59:01 ◼   ► on the original shy feel like big bird [TS]

00:59:03 ◼   ► and he was on the Muppet movie too [TS]

00:59:04 ◼   ► yeah um I do i I'll i kinda love big [TS]

00:59:07 ◼   ► bird and and that that is a sesame [TS]