00:00:42 ◼ ► there were these guys in North Dakota who I knew, and they're in Fargo, North Dakota, and they're
00:00:46 ◼ ► like, "Oh, how often do you go to the beach?" And I'm like, "I got bad news for you." I'm like,
00:00:51 ◼ ► "More than 100 miles from the ocean." They were really sad, because as far as they were concerned,
00:00:55 ◼ ► every single person in California was, "Hey, dude!" And I'm like, "Mmm, radical." Yeah, but
00:01:01 ◼ ► anyway, that's totally what we are. We're standing, this is live from a beach, we're standing under a
00:01:05 ◼ ► palm tree. Fun fact, when the Beach Boys formed, they didn't know how to surf. None of them knew.
00:01:12 ◼ ► This week's #SnellTalk question comes from Will. That is a fun fact. Will wants to know,
00:01:18 ◼ ► Will says, I should say, "I was listening to The Flophouse, and a smart audience member asked them,
00:01:24 ◼ ► 'What is the movie that you would like to see a sequel from that there has never been a sequel to?'"
00:01:29 ◼ ► Jason, what is your answer? This is a great question by whoever asked this in that episode
00:01:34 ◼ ► of The Flophouse that was released this weekend. And my answer, I think I'm going to go with the
00:01:41 ◼ ► most obvious answer possible, which is Real Genius, one of my very favorite movies. And I would love
00:01:46 ◼ ► to have seen the further hijinks of the Real Genius people in the '80s. I don't think I want to see a
00:01:54 ◼ ► sequel now, although there was rumors that there was going to be a sequel with Val Kilmer as like a
00:02:00 ◼ ► professor mentoring a new group of young nerds. Maybe, but that's one of my favorite movies. And
00:02:07 ◼ ► it was never made into a sequel because almost everything now is a sequel or a franchise or all
00:02:12 ◼ ► that. But there are lots of classic movies that we love that we might wish there had been a sequel
00:02:17 ◼ ► and there never were. I think that was the premise of the person whose last name was withheld on The
00:02:22 ◼ ► Flophouse this weekend. What about you, Myke? Oh, I don't know. I don't really think I have a good
00:02:28 ◼ ► answer for this. I think maybe not so much of a sequel, but another movie to help flesh out the
00:02:36 ◼ ► story would be Scott Pilgrim. I love Edgar Wright's Scott Pilgrim. In fact, relay FM members are going
00:02:42 ◼ ► to hear me and Casey talk about it on an upcoming membership episode, bonus episode in a couple of
00:02:48 ◼ ► weeks. But there was so much more to that story that had to be removed and I would love to see it
00:03:00 ◼ ► and the source material. But I feel like it wasn't complete. It didn't have everything it could have
00:03:05 ◼ ► had, even though it's a good chunky two-hour movie, but it doesn't have everything I wanted.
00:03:20 ◼ ► Oh man, what a great movie. I need to watch that again. I feel like it's been long enough now since
00:03:25 ◼ ► we did Say Anything. I really want to see that movie again. I loved it so much. I want to see if
00:03:45 ◼ ► That will be in our show notes. So if you would like to ask a question for a future episode,
00:03:53 ◼ ► just send in a tweet with the hashtag #SnellTalk and that will help us when it comes to asking
00:03:58 ◼ ► something nice and random to begin our show every week as we do. And we would like to continue
00:04:03 ◼ ► today's episode by moving into some follow-up. This was from a couple of weeks ago, but I thought
00:04:08 ◼ ► it was an interesting question. It came from Josh. While you were discussing how Apple could spend
00:04:13 ◼ ► its money in episode 205, neither of you mentioned a company with smart home products like cameras
00:04:19 ◼ ► and light switches and smart plugs. Do you think that this should be an area that Apple is in,
00:04:27 ◼ ► I think it's not a surprise and not a mistake that we didn't mention it. I could see Apple doing it,
00:04:38 ◼ ► but it feels like this is so... What could Apple do to really differentiate this category? I feel
00:04:44 ◼ ► like Apple enters categories like this because they see kind of a huge opportunity for them
00:04:50 ◼ ► to take over. Now, Beats is an interesting example, but maybe an outlier. I think sometimes
00:04:57 ◼ ► Apple enters markets because they feel like the stuff out there isn't good enough. And although
00:05:01 ◼ ► the smart home stuff kind of isn't good enough in a lot of cases, I feel like it's getting better.
00:05:12 ◼ ► the whole smart home market as a bag of hurt a little bit and trying to just focus on working
00:05:18 ◼ ► with partners. I like that about Apple that with this, they're like, "No, no, no. We're going to
00:05:23 ◼ ► work with partners. We're going to set out our rules for HomeKit and security and stuff." And
00:05:27 ◼ ► some of those went and some of those they had to kind of back off of a little bit in terms of
00:05:30 ◼ ► software versus hardware. So I don't know. They could, but I'm kind of okay that they didn't.
00:05:38 ◼ ► And I didn't even think of it because I don't feel like Apple needs to be Belkin or something
00:05:43 ◼ ► like that. I don't think... Which got bought by somebody, but that kind of thing. I don't see how
00:05:50 ◼ ► that's a must for them, nor do I see that it's necessarily a gigantic market. I could sort of see
00:05:57 ◼ ► maybe something like Ecobee or something like that, where there's a specific company that's
00:06:03 ◼ ► very kind of Apple-like and does a product that's good that is in a particular category. But I don't
00:06:09 ◼ ► know, maybe Google is the lesson here. Google bought Nest and that does not seem to have gone
00:06:13 ◼ ► really well. I think they have problems at Nest. I think Nest would just seem to be a problematic
00:06:18 ◼ ► company. I think that there is definitely merit to Josh's suggestion because I think HomeKit
00:06:25 ◼ ► would be much more successful, I think, if Apple were leading the way and showing the products they
00:06:31 ◼ ► wanted to make and there would be more HomeKit products available. So it'd be kind of interesting
00:06:35 ◼ ► in the way that they bought Beats, right? The way now they have a wider selection, but it does feel
00:06:40 ◼ ► like a distraction more than Beats does. I think Apple doesn't want to be, broadly, and I know
00:06:47 ◼ ► there are exceptions to this, but I don't think Apple wants to broadly be in the accessory
00:06:58 ◼ ► this feels like products that are even less substantial than that, a smart light switch,
00:07:05 ◼ ► a home video camera, that like, how many of these products are they going to need to make? Now,
00:07:10 ◼ ► the argument, the counter-argument would be that this is why you buy a company and you take their,
00:07:16 ◼ ► you know, you integrate them and you create a new kind of home product division and there's a way to
00:07:20 ◼ ► make money there. But if I'm Apple, I think maybe it's better to have a whole bunch of different
00:07:25 ◼ ► companies competing with each other to make good stuff that integrates with Apple stuff.
00:07:30 ◼ ► And if we assume that Apple's looking at everything as through the lens of how does this kind of
00:07:37 ◼ ► accumulate to our ecosystem and grow our services revenue and grow our device revenue, do these,
00:07:46 ◼ ► does having an Apple-owned one of these really do that? Like if Apple was losing, if Apple
00:07:52 ◼ ► had no compatibility with most smart home things, it would be a different story. But today,
00:08:03 ◼ ► not just on Android. So the market's kind of working for Apple right now. So that's why,
00:08:09 ◼ ► and that's why I think they got out of the Wi-Fi business too, is the same thing. Like,
00:08:14 ◼ ► they don't need to be there. It isn't contributing enough to the huge picture of Apple now. Because
00:08:20 ◼ ► it's not like in the old days where like literally, yeah, could Apple buy any company and make a
00:08:25 ◼ ► product that makes a little bit of profit and have it accrue to Apple's profits? Yes, but like Apple
00:08:32 ◼ ► is so huge now and the game it's playing is so large that some of these small products, it's just,
00:08:37 ◼ ► it's like, is it worth their attention at all? Is it worth their marketing time at all? Or are
00:08:42 ◼ ► they better off just letting smaller companies out there fight amongst themselves to make better
00:08:55 ◼ ► Thank you to everyone who has become a Relay FM member. We have had a really wonderful outpouring
00:09:04 ◼ ► of support, both in new members supporting this show and just in what people have been saying
00:09:10 ◼ ► about how much they enjoyed our special episode Space Station, where we play a text adventure with
00:09:15 ◼ ► CGP Grey with Jason Snell as the computer, the Snellatron. There is a, this was something that
00:09:22 ◼ ► wasn't available when we spoke about the show last week. It went up when the episode went up on
00:09:26 ◼ ► Friday. There is a trailer that Grey have made, which is incredible, which gives you a taste for
00:09:32 ◼ ► what Space Station is all about. I put a link in the show notes so you can go and watch that on
00:09:36 ◼ ► YouTube if you still haven't become a member and you're interested in kind of getting a flavor
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00:10:05 ◼ ► and learn more. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Huge, just thank you so much to everyone that has
00:10:11 ◼ ► become a Relay FM member and I really, really hope that all of the bonus content that you get is
00:10:28 ◼ ► Some special though, the special there's a special reconcilable differences. That's great. Very good.
00:10:33 ◼ ► We have a download clockwise combo that is super wacky about Apple products that either should be
00:10:40 ◼ ► killed or were killed. Oh my gosh. That is coming out this week that is also pretty amazing with me
00:10:47 ◼ ► and Steven and Micah and Dan. I also have this, I got an email from Jared Sorensen who is the author
00:10:53 ◼ ► of the text adventure that we played and his comment is to me, he says, "You are way too
00:10:59 ◼ ► forgiving for you and Grey. I should have been much meaner to you." And also it's hilarious they
00:11:06 ◼ ► keep referring to the spaceship when the game is called Space Station. Oh whatever, you know.
00:11:13 ◼ ► Yeah well that sums it up. Whatever. I will say that the book is wonderful. I have the PDF
00:11:20 ◼ ► that I backed the Kickstarter campaign. It's really, really good. So I'll put a link in the
00:11:27 ◼ ► show notes to that if you want to go and see it. It's really wonderful. Yeah these are great
00:11:31 ◼ ► party games. If you've got a group of people, these text adventures, you buy Jared's book and
00:11:36 ◼ ► there's like 10 different games in there and you can play them where you get everybody in an order
00:11:42 ◼ ► and they all kind of shout commands at the parser and it's actually really hilarious. It's great for
00:11:48 ◼ ► large groups and small groups obviously all the way down to just the two people so people should
00:11:52 ◼ ► definitely check it out. It's fun. I own the book and I think I'm getting, I bought the physical
00:11:55 ◼ ► book too but I can never look in them. No you can't. You can look at the art. You can look at
00:12:00 ◼ ► Space Station now and see the art and see where you went and all of those things and you know you
00:12:05 ◼ ► can look at Spooky Manor. Having seen the instructions you had, I am in even more awe of
00:12:11 ◼ ► your ability to navigate us through that than ever. It's kind of wonderful because that I don't know
00:12:18 ◼ ► how you make it work the way you do but you do. So yeah thank you if you can remember. Please I hope
00:12:23 ◼ ► you enjoy it. That's awesome. Let's do some follow-out. There is a podcast created by The
00:12:30 ◼ ► Midroll which is the kind of advertising podcast advertising giant and I think they own Stitcher
00:12:37 ◼ ► and they produce some content and stuff like that. Yeah they're Earwolf podcast network and Stitcher
00:12:42 ◼ ► and then they do Stitcher Premium and they also sell ads as The Midroll. They have a show about
00:12:47 ◼ ► the business of podcasting which we've both been on before. It's called The Wharf Den and it's
00:12:58 ◼ ► Arment, creator of Overcast and host of Accent Attack podcast etc etc and they spoke a lot about
00:13:03 ◼ ► the real intricacies, some of the challenges and ways that the podcast industry is changing
00:13:11 ◼ ► right now as quite interestingly a corporate ad company and a hesitant to corporations but
00:13:21 ◼ ► app developer right who has a pretty large market share with Overcast. So it was really interesting
00:13:27 ◼ ► to hear them debate a lot of these really intricate things about the industry. It tickles your fancy.
00:13:32 ◼ ► I think it is a very interesting listen. I also just wanted to mention because it was very nice
00:13:36 ◼ ► Marco picked upgrade for the question of the podcast he is jealous of and I thought that was
00:13:41 ◼ ► really cool so thank you Marco. Yes that was I was listening to that podcast because I wanted to hear
00:13:47 ◼ ► those guys who have such different takes on it talking about it. I thought it was pretty good.
00:13:52 ◼ ► I thought it was a really reasonable conversation. I thought there was a lot of actually self
00:13:56 ◼ ► reflection on Marco's part about sort of like yeah that really made me angry but like looking at it
00:14:02 ◼ ► in the long view it's probably not that big a deal. I like that he said like people grow and I
00:14:07 ◼ ► like burst out laughing. It's like yeah I guess they do. That was yeah it's a good conversation
00:14:12 ◼ ► if you care about the nitty-gritty of like how podcasting works and that's something we talk
00:14:17 ◼ ► about here and we've gotten positive feedback about from some people. So if you're one of those
00:14:21 ◼ ► people check out that episode because it's great and I love those guys and it was fun to hear them
00:14:26 ◼ ► kind of joust back and forth a little bit. They refer to each other as like frenemies at the end
00:14:31 ◼ ► and it's very funny and good stuff and very kind. I kind of was not expecting upgrade to be Marco's
00:14:39 ◼ ► choice of podcasts he was jealous of and that was that was an extra delightful thing. Yeah I
00:14:46 ◼ ► learned some stuff. Should we do some quick upstream? Let's have some headlines for you
00:14:50 ◼ ► mostly. Just a little bit. Facebook have bought more football/soccer. They've signed a three-year
00:14:55 ◼ ► deal to show every La Liga game in India. La Liga is the Spanish football league so that's just
00:15:02 ◼ ► another deal that Facebook have done. They're going to be exclusive in India. They seem to be
00:15:06 ◼ ► doing this right now. It really feels like a test right? They're buying live sports stuff and showing
00:15:11 ◼ ► them to markets that are large but probably aren't the main market right? So the biggest market for
00:15:18 ◼ ► La Liga is in Spain right? They're not going for that or the biggest market for the Premier League
00:15:24 ◼ ► is in the UK but they're showing it in some other like far-flung countries. So it's just interesting
00:15:31 ◼ ► to see them going down this road. Yeah and Disney on ESPN Plus their streaming service just signed
00:15:37 ◼ ► up Serie A the Italian soccer league and a similar kind of thing where it's just like let's experiment
00:15:44 ◼ ► with live sports and see on streaming and buying the rights there. A lot of times the rights that
00:15:49 ◼ ► get bought like you said are not the like the super expensive rights. They are often the you know
00:15:55 ◼ ► kind of there's an interesting middle ground where it's not the super expensive because it's popular
00:16:06 ◼ ► It becomes a niche. The example I can give you is like cricket in the US. Like if you want to watch
00:16:11 ◼ ► cricket in the US you have to pay a lot of money and that's because almost nobody is going to watch
00:16:16 ◼ ► cricket in the US. They know the people who are going to watch are people who are desperate for
00:16:20 ◼ ► cricket and so they can charge them pay-per-view prices basically. It's very expensive but in the
00:16:25 ◼ ► middle you get something like this which is you know there's a growing market for soccer in the
00:16:30 ◼ ► US. There's a growing appetite for it. Fox has the Bundesliga I think the German league. NBC has the
00:16:38 ◼ ► premier league and so Disney has signed up for the Italian league and put it on their streaming
00:16:44 ◼ ► service and so just more of this experimentation. NBC I mentioned a few months back that they used
00:16:57 ◼ ► premiership games that they're not showing on standard channels to their premium streaming
00:17:03 ◼ ► service. So it's another example of like can we get people to pay for our streaming service in
00:17:08 ◼ ► order to get this live sports. So it's a we talk a lot about scripted here but sports is another
00:17:15 ◼ ► example where all of these media giants are experimenting to see what the appetite for this
00:17:21 ◼ ► stuff is and if there's how solid the market is and what they should be spending for the rights
00:17:25 ◼ ► and all of those things it's definitely happening. YouTube's upcoming movie Viper Club is going to be
00:17:29 ◼ ► getting a theatrical release. Google clearly thinks and I guess wants their Susan Sarandon
00:17:35 ◼ ► starred movie to pick up some awards. I guess this is maybe their most serious production so they
00:17:42 ◼ ► want to get it to be considered in you know the Golden Globes, the Academy Awards, that kind of
00:17:46 ◼ ► thing. Yeah for the Academy Awards you got to run like a week in New York and a week in LA or
00:17:50 ◼ ► something like that in a theater there are these very specific rules that are to be a legitimate
00:17:55 ◼ ► awards contender. So it's going to be getting a limited run in theaters in the US as well as being
00:17:59 ◼ ► available on YouTube Premium at the same time. It's made for YouTube Premium you know what used
00:18:04 ◼ ► to be called YouTube Red but they want to they want to get some awards they want to pick up the
00:18:08 ◼ ► awards like Amazon and Netflix have been doing. Mostly Amazon right? Amazon seems to be yeah.
00:18:13 ◼ ► Amazon has a straightforward policy where they're like releasing the movies in theaters as a real
00:18:18 ◼ ► theatrical release and then they send it to Prime Video later so like Manchester by the Sea was an
00:18:24 ◼ ► example of that and that was an Oscar-nominated film. Netflix is not so sure they ever ever want
00:18:31 ◼ ► to do that right but they I'm sure they want to win Academy Awards if they could but they seem to
00:18:36 ◼ ► be pretty committed to just premiering their movies on their service and not worry. Yeah
00:18:39 ◼ ► they're taking the route of fighting publicly with the Academy I suppose. And the Cannes Film
00:18:45 ◼ ► Festival and all the rest yeah. And finally Apple have joined the Alliance for Open Media.
00:18:52 ◼ ► This is a group of technology companies currently working on a compression format known as AV1
00:18:58 ◼ ► which is a codec that can compress files to be 25 to 35 percent smaller video files than H.265 or
00:19:05 ◼ ► Google's VP9. Other companies in this alliance include Amazon, Facebook, Hulu, VLC and Google.
00:19:12 ◼ ► So maybe this is how sometime in the future Apple would plan to support 4k for more providers
00:19:18 ◼ ► because they're joining this this open standard alliance. Thank you to Dayton for sending this in.
00:19:24 ◼ ► Yeah this is really interesting I was glad Dayton sent this in. This is maybe how you defuse the
00:19:29 ◼ ► VP9 versus HEVC impasse of Google and Apple which is come up agree on a next generation codec that
00:19:40 ◼ ► everybody supports and use that instead. And then Google can say well we're moving on from VP9 to AV1
00:19:47 ◼ ► and Apple can say we just added support for AV1 which is awesome and it's over at that point. And
00:19:53 ◼ ► maybe that's the best way forward is just to to get everybody on the same page. It's annoying in
00:19:57 ◼ ► the meantime but it's a good it's a good sign for the long term for for customers for regular people
00:20:03 ◼ ► who just want to watch a pretty pretty 4k video on their computers and TVs and all the rest.
00:20:08 ◼ ► It is fun to note that the alliance of open media have since removed Apple from the page.
00:20:15 ◼ ► I'm expecting that because it hit the news Apple were like uh-uh take us off. But I am of the
00:20:22 ◼ ► belief that they are a part of this. I believe that they are because I think it just makes a lot
00:20:27 ◼ ► of sense because literally every other provider is a part of this alliance. So yeah so it is a
00:20:34 ◼ ► little mysterious but it may be that they haven't signed it or maybe they will join but they don't
00:20:38 ◼ ► want to be discussed. They can be a silent partner. Apple does that a lot more than you would think
00:20:43 ◼ ► where Apple joins things and sometimes it's just to be present and to steer it behind the scenes
00:20:51 ◼ ► a little bit and to know what's going on and I would not be surprised if that's what's going on
00:20:57 ◼ ► here. But it does open the possibility that everybody will get together and agree on a on
00:21:03 ◼ ► a standard that Apple will support too. All right let's take our first break and thank our friends
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00:22:26 ◼ ► of this show and Relay FM. So a Chinese news outlet by the name of the Economic Daily News
00:22:37 ◼ ► is reporting that... Hey it's translated come on. It's reporting... I mean Wall Street Journal is a
00:22:42 ◼ ► ludicrous name too. Wall Street? Which is it? Who's writing in a journal? The Economist right?
00:22:48 ◼ ► Like they're all funny. He must be very old now The Economist. He's been around a long time.
00:22:55 ◼ ► Like the New York Times. It doesn't write up just about New York. When you start to like take these
00:22:59 ◼ ► names out of context they don't make any sense. But anyway the Economic Daily News is reporting
00:23:04 ◼ ► that the OLED funds debuting this year will adopt Apple Pencil support. They are stating that the
00:23:11 ◼ ► Taiwanese chip supplier Elan has been apparently tasked with the project. They currently produce
00:23:17 ◼ ► chips for Wacom Stylus's styli. This also echoes an analyst report from earlier in the week. A
00:23:24 ◼ ► report from a company called Trend Force that states that this is one of the ways Apple will
00:23:29 ◼ ► look to increase ASP on the iPhone line as well as having three storage tiers available 64 gigabytes
00:23:35 ◼ ► 256 and 512. I will say that like I saw the analyst report and I wasn't going to include it
00:23:41 ◼ ► because analyst reports are conjecture. They're not proof of anything right? It's just like
00:23:46 ◼ ► sometimes there's whispers but most of the times like this is what we believe will happen for these
00:23:50 ◼ ► reasons and the reasons can make sense but a lot of the time it's just people saying stuff to be
00:23:55 ◼ ► right. It was when it was followed up by this kind of supply chain thing that I thought we would talk
00:24:01 ◼ ► about it today. Yeah I think I wrote a piece a week ago maybe from Tom's Guide. It was one of my
00:24:09 ◼ ► Tom's Guide every other week iPhone stories. They wanted me to kind of jump off of the Galaxy Note 9
00:24:15 ◼ ► and one of the things that and essentially what I talked about is the iPhone 10 plus this thing
00:24:20 ◼ ► that we've been talking about like that larger iPhone and what it is and what it could do and
00:24:23 ◼ ► how it compares to what Samsung just announced and all of that. One of the big parts of that I think
00:24:31 ◼ ► is Samsung for a long time now has had the S Pen with the Galaxy Note. They've got the little thing
00:24:35 ◼ ► you can you know slide it in and pop it out and all of that. What I said in the article is and I
00:24:42 ◼ ► really believe this I don't just write these things and not believe them I believe them.
00:24:45 ◼ ► If there was going to be a time when Apple added pencil support to the iPhone don't you think that
00:24:51 ◼ ► iPhone 10 plus would be like the right time? It's a big 6.5 inch phone huge top of the line you know
00:24:59 ◼ ► and then at that point like the OS already has pencil stuff built into it right. It's already
00:25:05 ◼ ► got the thing where if you tap on the locked screen it brings up a note and lets you let's
00:25:11 ◼ ► you write on it on the iPad right. It's already got that. It's already got all this stuff. There
00:25:15 ◼ ► was an article that I read at an outlet I will not name that was like oh Apple needs to really
00:25:21 ◼ ► follow the Samsung example and one of the examples was like writing with a pencil and stuff like that
00:25:28 ◼ ► and I was like yeah they have it all. They have all the pieces and they could add a few more
00:25:34 ◼ ► that might be phone centric. I feel like the question is like what would the hardware support
00:25:37 ◼ ► be? Will you be expected to kind of like carry it around in your pocket or something because
00:25:42 ◼ ► the current Apple pencil is so long that it's not really a pocketable device. It's a folio kind of
00:25:49 ◼ ► thing for iPads so like that's the part that stumps me a little bit is like you kind of need
00:25:53 ◼ ► to create a new like Apple mini pencil or iPhone pencil or something like that but otherwise I
00:25:59 ◼ ► think it would be great. I think they've laid all the foundation to do pencil support on an iPhone
00:26:05 ◼ ► and that this big rumored big iPhone 10 plus is the perfect place to do it. I know you love the
00:26:11 ◼ ► pencil. What do you think about and you love big phones like is this the perfect mic sweet spot or
00:26:15 ◼ ► what? So I've been predicting like you know in predictions shows I've been predicting this for
00:26:21 ◼ ► like two years now right that like the Apple pencils are bought on the iPhone because it
00:26:26 ◼ ► feels like a logical next step especially when if you say they have all the technology there
00:26:32 ◼ ► an Apple's biggest competitor is doing it and people like it right like the the stylus the
00:26:40 ◼ ► S pen I think was a joke at first where a lot of people was like oh look it's a stylus because we
00:26:44 ◼ ► were in that world of like you're the stylus you blew it right but then that all went away when the
00:26:48 ◼ ► Apple pencil came out because because after the meme died away but now like people buy the note
00:26:57 ◼ ► because of the stylus because the Galaxy S9 or whatever the S9 plus is basically the same size
00:27:03 ◼ ► they're very close in size but then the note has this whole other suite of things that it can do
00:27:08 ◼ ► we spoke about it on last week's episode like I was excited about the fact that has bluetooth now so
00:27:13 ◼ ► you can program the buttons and stuff like that so I think that yes the iPhone the big iPhone should
00:27:20 ◼ ► have Apple pencil support I believe that I'm interested about if this this report is true
00:27:27 ◼ ► that it will be on both of the OLED phones because as we spoke about in the past right the LCD phone
00:27:33 ◼ ► is actually bigger than the smallest OLED phone so there's like this weird stuff here about kind of
00:27:38 ◼ ► like what does size mean but I am sure we will get into that a lot in September right about like the
00:27:44 ◼ ► the lineup and what size means and how it gets spread yeah but do I think Apple's gonna do it
00:27:54 ◼ ► this time around I don't know like I know I want it and it feels logical right but there are a lot
00:28:01 ◼ ► of things that make me question it yeah even if this is the most likely scenario we've ever seen
00:28:08 ◼ ► it doesn't mean it's likely right I feel like this is like a 33 chance 40 chance something like that
00:28:15 ◼ ► it's still not I think more I think it's more likely that they don't do it than that they do
00:28:19 ◼ ► but it does feel like this is an opportunity for them to do it if they choose this seems like a
00:28:27 ◼ ► good time where they've got a lot of the pieces in place to do it because the thing is this is the
00:28:35 ◼ ► thing okay they have to create a new Apple pencil you can't that's it yeah use the current Apple
00:28:44 ◼ ► pencil on a phone because that is ludicrous that is absolutely ludicrous so it has to be smaller in
00:28:50 ◼ ► size if it is will it be stored in the phone that is the most logical thing but it goes against
00:28:55 ◼ ► literally everything Apple seems to believe about how they built their phones right having this big
00:29:01 ◼ ► hole in the phone yeah I have a hard time seeing them use internal iPhone space on a pop-out pencil
00:29:07 ◼ ► kind of thing I'll throw another piece in the mix here which is that when the iPad the the you know
00:29:13 ◼ ► no name iPad was announced in Chicago right it came with this new Logitech crayon support yeah
00:29:21 ◼ ► which they worked with Apple on and it uses wireless tech that is not the Bluetooth tech that
00:29:26 ◼ ► is in the Apple pencil and you don't have to like pair it you just it's proximity based and it writes
00:29:33 ◼ ► on it and that's really interesting because that that makes you at least ask is that a new
00:29:40 ◼ ► technology that Apple is intending to spread to other devices like they did exactly like they put
00:29:46 ◼ ► new wireless capabilities in this iPad just for Logitech just for schools like they went through
00:29:54 ◼ ► all this work like it seems like an awful lot of work to do for a very niche use like if they were
00:30:01 ◼ ► selling the Logitech crayon to everyone I would understand it more but it really does feel like
00:30:06 ◼ ► oh we've been used we've been developing this technology for Apple pencil support on the iPhone
00:30:11 ◼ ► so we'll put it into this iPad as well or like right we've been going down this route and we're
00:30:17 ◼ ► not going to use this exact thing but we developed it so maybe we should put it here because I agree
00:30:21 ◼ ► it seems like they really went through a lot right to to to make this particular link with this
00:30:27 ◼ ► product when in theory Logitech could have just created something that worked the same way the
00:30:33 ◼ ► Apple pencil does they didn't need to create a whole new way of connecting the devices there is
00:30:40 ◼ ► the one the one reason that it happened and that they made it happen is I think there was a concern
00:30:46 ◼ ► for schools one that they wanted a lower cost stylus which is I think why they made the crayon
00:30:52 ◼ ► with Logitech but two this idea of having to pair the devices and in a classroom you might be writing
00:30:59 ◼ ► on different people's iPads and stuff right and the idea with this thing is unlike the Apple
00:31:03 ◼ ► pencil which this does not work you can't take your Apple pencil that's paired with your iPad and
00:31:08 ◼ ► then and then just sort of turn to the person on your right who has an iPad pro and right on their
00:31:13 ◼ ► screen too it doesn't work but with the crayon it does right so there is there is a little bit there
00:31:19 ◼ ► but I agree with you like seems like a long way to go just just for that and not to feel like there's
00:31:27 ◼ ► something else going on we talked about this for the last couple years a lot of times you look at
00:31:30 ◼ ► the things that Apple's doing and it they're like little things but then you look at the bigger
00:31:35 ◼ ► picture and you're like I think they're headed in a direction like with removing the home screen or
00:31:40 ◼ ► the home button you know introducing gestural stuff like that was all leading somewhere and
00:31:47 ◼ ► changing how multitasking works it was all leading somewhere this feels like it's leading somewhere
00:31:51 ◼ ► now maybe that's wishful thinking but it does feel like it and and that's why I wanted to ask you like
00:31:56 ◼ ► you seem to be potentially the prime audience for this sort of thing is that you know is that what
00:32:04 ◼ ► you're thinking is like you would really love to have a new Apple pencil and a giant iPhone to
00:32:10 ◼ ► scribble things down on or you know or is your enthusiasm tempered I'm just kind of curious
00:32:14 ◼ ► because this is much more a product development for you than it is for me yeah let's park to the
00:32:20 ◼ ► side the Apple pencil as it currently is because you know I said a bunch of times like I want the
00:32:23 ◼ ► one on the iPad to be different I want more advancements to it but just looking at the phone
00:32:28 ◼ ► I 100% want this for many reasons you know the same ergonomic reasons that I have for the iPad
00:32:34 ◼ ► to find it more comfortable to to use something in a pen form factor instead of tapping and using
00:32:40 ◼ ► my hands all the time it's just more comfortable for me and I would get a lot of utility out of
00:32:47 ◼ ► being able to scribble things down quickly right like and the idea of being able to have that
00:32:53 ◼ ► as a support in my iPhone seems really interesting but there are so many details about this which
00:33:01 ◼ ► seem kind of unclear and I'm interested about right like will it have any technology in it
00:33:07 ◼ ► really maybe not right maybe it's just as simple as the current Apple pencil is you know like it's
00:33:12 ◼ ► not that buttons or whatever or that crayon right like maybe it's that simple or the crayon yeah
00:33:17 ◼ ► which you know is interesting right and then like how do you charge it and all that kind of stuff
00:33:21 ◼ ► but the biggest thing is how big is it what's the form factor and where does it go my expectation is
00:33:27 ◼ ► it will go in like some kind of folio case but I don't want to use a folio case right so there's
00:33:30 ◼ ► like they have to if that's how it's going to be presented to us then there has to be some really
00:33:36 ◼ ► compelling things for why you would want to use the pencil on the iPhone and I would expect like
00:33:43 ◼ ► all the iPad stuff is great but there should be more right like there's some really cool stuff
00:33:49 ◼ ► that you can do with the note and I would love to see Apple try and maybe find their own things you
00:33:55 ◼ ► know like what I really love with the note is when you're scribbling something down I really like the
00:34:02 ◼ ► way that you just do it on the black screen because they're all lit phones right like it
00:34:05 ◼ ► doesn't actually open a note in their notes app you just write something on the screen and it's like
00:34:10 ◼ ► the the you know it's just I find that quite a delightful interaction so you know I don't really
00:34:15 ◼ ► know what it would be but I feel like if it's not going to be in the phone which I don't believe that
00:34:20 ◼ ► they will do that I really don't think they will do it I think it will be external they have to
00:34:24 ◼ ► give people some really good use cases for why they would want to buy it because Apple will 100
00:34:30 ◼ ► sell it to you they won't include it and I want to see like a really good use case for why they
00:34:37 ◼ ► think that it is the right time to add something like this to the phone I think your folio case
00:34:41 ◼ ► idea which they've announced the first Apple phone folio case last year I think and I wonder there if
00:34:50 ◼ ► that maybe is also a strange sign of things to come where they might offer a folio case
00:34:56 ◼ ► with a pen holder for something like this and it's interesting you're right a lot of people
00:35:03 ◼ ► will be like yeah but then you're buying the the case which costs 120 in the pencil or pen or
00:35:09 ◼ ► whatever they call it or something yeah exactly right and but that's Apple right and and then
00:35:14 ◼ ► there will be third-party opportunities where there'll be a thing you stick on that's like a
00:35:18 ◼ ► little loop or there's like a little magnet adapter or you have whatever I agree it's one
00:35:23 ◼ ► of the problems that I think prevents Apple from doing this is not the hardware of the iPhone and
00:35:28 ◼ ► it's not the software because they've done that on the iPad Pro it's the ergonomics of a pen
00:35:37 ◼ ► with a phone because I think you're right I don't see them making a pop-out stylus like the note
00:35:46 ◼ ► and so then what right then it gets all fiddly and maybe their argument's going to be this is
00:35:51 ◼ ► why you get the notebook case which is a folio with a pen holder and it automatically wakes and
00:35:57 ◼ ► sleeps the device and all those things and now you're carrying around a little notebook that's
00:36:01 ◼ ► also your phone because here's the thing right at that level who needs an iPad mini anymore
00:36:05 ◼ ► oh certainly it's a huge screen this phone is an iPad mini at that point it's like an inch
00:36:13 ◼ ► in difference it has the smart cover right like it becomes an infinitely more compelling device
00:36:21 ◼ ► to certain people like it's an iPad nano at that point and that is a very interesting product
00:36:26 ◼ ► and when you you know you're saying about like you gotta buy the case and you gotta buy the pencil
00:36:31 ◼ ► you kind of go out looking back at what the trend force uh folk were saying they're doing this to
00:36:36 ◼ ► increase the ASP because that helps them in their earnings and stuff now and of course like you're
00:36:42 ◼ ► turning a 1000 phone into a 1500 phone close to right by the time you've got the size you want
00:36:49 ◼ ► then all of the accessories this is one of the ways that they ended up turning the ASP up on the
00:36:55 ◼ ► iPad was by creating these expensive accessories that are really good right you got the smart
00:37:01 ◼ ► keyboard and the apple pencil and it pushed up the ASP on the iPad line and this is a great way to
00:37:08 ◼ ► push up the iPhone on the top end in the pro level is by having a bunch of really good technically
00:37:15 ◼ ► like savvy accessories yeah and that means not only is the ASP of the iPhone line going up but
00:37:20 ◼ ► the ASP of you know of total revenue from a customer goes up because now they're buying
00:37:25 ◼ ► a pencil now they're buying a case now they're doing all those things not everybody will buy
00:37:28 ◼ ► the case you know everybody we know the usual suspects will come out with other ways of holding
00:37:34 ◼ ► or attaching such a thing but apple will have their official story way of doing it and i don't
00:37:42 ◼ ► know i mean i i feel like again we're back to it i feel like this is something they absolutely could
00:37:47 ◼ ► do and i think it'll be good again not a part of the product i think that's actually leaving the
00:37:54 ◼ ► space inside the iPhone that's filled with battery aside making it part of the product makes it
00:38:01 ◼ ► mandatory in a way that i think apple doesn't want to make leaving aside that they can get another
00:38:06 ◼ ► hundred dollars out of you plus maybe a case i think apple doesn't want to say this is the
00:38:11 ◼ ► iPhone that needs a pencil like it doesn't want to do that so it's not going to be i think a part of
00:38:16 ◼ ► it for all of these reasons but i think about people who carry little uh you know little
00:38:22 ◼ ► notebooks little field notes notebooks and pens around with them right all the time and i think
00:38:28 ◼ ► now you don't you know now the pitch is you don't need to do that anymore you can carry around one
00:38:33 ◼ ► of these little apple pens or pencils and your iPhone and your iPhone is your notebook and if
00:38:38 ◼ ► you want to jot something down you literally can just pick it up and start writing and jot it down
00:38:42 ◼ ► and it works and like that is pretty cool and the dream of the Newton is finally realized
00:38:47 ◼ ► only took 25 years 30 years something like that yeah something like that all right today's show
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00:41:10 ◼ ► of this show emery lay fm so it is still the summer of fun summer of fun but there's there's
00:41:17 ◼ ► been a casualty of the summer of fun jason oh no ask what do we do i feel like we have not oh yeah
00:41:23 ◼ ► we've been skipping some ask upgrades recently we've not been doing as many because we've been
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00:41:33 ◼ ► double the fun double the fun because what is more fun mike than answering questions from listeners
00:41:39 ◼ ► nothing nothing nothing there is nothing more fun and we start with david david says jason do you
00:41:45 ◼ ► use plaques if so why not just rip your 4k blu-ray discs and play it there david is talking about when
00:41:51 ◼ ► we were talking about your 4k issues and having to use like voodoo and all that kind of stuff
00:41:56 ◼ ► and then buying an xbox so that i can play those hdr 4k discs and all of that um xbox is going
00:42:02 ◼ ► great by the way my son really is loving it we're playing uh he's playing no man's sky which has
00:42:06 ◼ ► been updated for 4k as well and uh it's really great and his and his best friend who moved away
00:42:16 ◼ ► that's awesome yeah what a great game for them to try out like you know to have that kind of
00:42:20 ◼ ► experience and it's it's already a beautiful game but it's like on that 4k tv it's even more
00:42:24 ◼ ► beautiful to answer david's question so first off 4k blu-rays aren't blu-rays they're they're
00:42:31 ◼ ► like next generation blu-rays which means that existing blu-ray hardware won't play them including
00:42:35 ◼ ► my blu-ray disc that i've got the usb drive that i've got so i would need to buy a new 4k blu-ray
00:42:42 ◼ ► drive compatible thing and the other thing is uh ripping discs is it requires uh breaking drm and
00:42:52 ◼ ► as you might expect the 4k uhd discs have new a new drm scheme that after they are slowly figuring
00:43:00 ◼ ► out how to break it but you have to break it not that you would ever you know this is just like in
00:43:05 ◼ ► theory no no no i mean i am in favor if you if you bought the disc if you bought the disc and want to
00:43:11 ◼ ► copy the bits off of it for your own personal use of you but you know you should be able to do that
00:43:15 ◼ ► give you the option to jump out of that if you if you want to no no i am entirely in favor of people
00:43:21 ◼ ► breaking drm in order for their own personal use because i like the power is evil yeah i mean it's
00:43:26 ◼ ► if i bought your disc i'm not pirating stuff i'm buying your disc but if i want to buy your blu-ray
00:43:32 ◼ ► disc and put on my plex server for my own use then um and with the bit rates of of hd stuff
00:43:39 ◼ ► it's seriously only for my own use in my house because i'd pity the person who would try to
00:43:43 ◼ ► stream it um so if i do all that and i get it working well then there's the next case which is
00:43:49 ◼ ► i also have to rely on the my my home network and the device i'm streaming to being strong enough
00:43:56 ◼ ► and then honestly the the size of these files is enormous the size of the regular hd movies is
00:44:03 ◼ ► enormous let alone the 4k which is why i tend to use um don melton's scripts to re-encode them
00:44:09 ◼ ► so i'm not like john sierakusa and leaving them at the original bitrate because the files are too
00:44:13 ◼ ► large and those are just the 1080 versions the uhd versions are going to be massive and at that point
00:44:18 ◼ ► i decided you know what this is so many different barriers when i can just get a movie that i really
00:44:24 ◼ ► want to see in 4k and i can get the disc and i can leave it around and i can stick it in if i want to
00:44:29 ◼ ► watch black panther over the weekend it's beautiful looked so good and that's fine that's fine maybe
00:44:35 ◼ ► i'll feel different if i have hundreds of them but at that point maybe my hard drive will be so huge
00:44:39 ◼ ► that i can fit that stuff on there but for now the point of these things is max bit rate and a max
00:44:46 ◼ ► bit rate file on my even on my drobo server is gonna it's gonna just eat a hard drive with one
00:44:51 ◼ ► thing and at that point i might as well just keep the little optical disc around so i'm gonna these
00:44:56 ◼ ► are my reasons there are many but in the end any one of them would be enough to stop me is max bit
00:45:02 ◼ ► rate max headroom's friend max bit rate will be a supporting player on my reboot of max headroom
00:45:09 ◼ ► which i'm ready to do as soon as somebody from hollywood comes to me just call me call me the max
00:45:15 ◼ ► headroom i would do that in a heartbeat andreas in the chat room has recommended the media station 16
00:45:20 ◼ ► times desktop bd xl blu-ray writer as uh by buffalo as a potential option for you jason so i'll put
00:45:28 ◼ ► that it's huge is it huge i don't know if it's i can't tell i mean we need a banana for scale
00:45:33 ◼ ► it's huge compared to the little one that i have now but it's that's nice i one day maybe but i
00:45:39 ◼ ► i'm skeptical that i will ever go down there because again the file sizes are just enormous
00:45:43 ◼ ► and at this point i don't think i can barely justify putting blu-rays on there for convenience
00:45:48 ◼ ► sake i i definitely can't do it with 4k blu-rays josh has written him with the ipads home button
00:45:54 ◼ ► rumored to be going away where will siri be mapped we pressing and holding on the side buttons makes
00:46:00 ◼ ► sense on the iphone but using the ipads top button might feel weird could we see a software button to
00:46:06 ◼ ► launch siri in the future what do you think i think it's all um there will probably be a hardware
00:46:15 ◼ ► button match including it probably will be that on off button but i think apple's going to really
00:46:20 ◼ ► lean into um just using your voice to trigger it yep like always on triggering and that'll be the
00:46:28 ◼ ► preferred method i think that that would be their argument today is that pressing a physical button
00:46:32 ◼ ► to trigger siri is silly you should just be able to save a words and have it happen yeah there will
00:46:40 ◼ ► be there i believe it will be mapped to a probably larger button right like they will put a bigger
00:46:45 ◼ ► button on it like they have on the iphone 10 but they will be like oh you should use a high
00:46:50 ◼ ► telephone instead right like that that should be the way that you interact with this thing
00:46:54 ◼ ► um and that you know i think that that's probably the way that they're going to end up doing it
00:46:58 ◼ ► uh there's been andreas has put another uh blu-ray writer which is smaller it is smaller for you i
00:47:05 ◼ ► appreciate this nobody else needs to send me any blu-ray suggestions obviously there are some
00:47:10 ◼ ► smaller ones out there that i could use if i want to completely eat up all my disk space which i
00:47:14 ◼ ► don't but thank you so yeah i think software button no they will just say you should just
00:47:24 ◼ ► dave has asked do you think that disney will bundle their marvel unlimited comic subscription
00:47:31 ◼ ► service into their upcoming streaming offering like dc is planning with theirs so news to me
00:47:37 ◼ ► that dc was working on something didn't know that yeah yeah their their video streaming services
00:47:43 ◼ ► actually encompasses some other stuff including the first time they've added subscription access
00:47:49 ◼ ► to dc certain dc comics do you think that this one makes sense for disney and two that disney would
00:47:56 ◼ ► do it uh the way i understand how marvel is structured marvel comics is a separate division
00:48:04 ◼ ► only recently did they allow marvel studios to go off and report directly to a high-ranking
00:48:11 ◼ ► disney executive marvel tv and the comics all go through um a the guy who basically brought
00:48:19 ◼ ► bought out or bought bought marvel and brought it back from bankruptcy and that's and then sold it
00:48:24 ◼ ► off and that's ike pearlmutter um who is kind of infamous he sounds like an unpleasant person to
00:48:30 ◼ ► work with and he's cheap and um he's strangely not integrated into the rest of disney um in in the
00:48:37 ◼ ► way that dc is dc is just part of warner media group basically at this point they are completely
00:48:44 ◼ ► integrated marvel comics is not um i suspect that has something to do with ike pearlmutter's contract
00:48:51 ◼ ► or something about the conditions of him selling marvel to disney um so i think not just because
00:48:58 ◼ ► of that like the fact that that marvel tv is currently under his auspices under his command
00:49:05 ◼ ► instead of like somebody else at abc or some other part of disney entertainment or of kevin fiegie
00:49:11 ◼ ► at marvel studios suggests that it's hard to to get these uh groups to coordinate inside of disney
00:49:17 ◼ ► so my guess is no my guess is that marvel wants its revenue from marvel unlimited and that uh the
00:49:25 ◼ ► streaming service is going to be over in some other part of the company and they're not going
00:49:29 ◼ ► to interact it's possible but if i had to bet i'd bet no okay um they may offer some sort of mega
00:49:38 ◼ ► marvel subscription which they're already kind of doing where you get some stuff so there may be like
00:49:43 ◼ ► a mega subscription superfan subscription that gets you both but i'm skeptical that they would
00:49:48 ◼ ► essentially just say if you sign up for our streaming service you get marvel unlimited for
00:49:52 ◼ ► free like there could be a bundle but it won't be bundled for everyone it won't be thousands and
00:49:59 ◼ ► thousands of comics that you can get by paying marvel 70 a year or whatever it is yeah but you
00:50:04 ◼ ► could maybe like if you bought both of them you might get it for 50 right like yeah yeah and they
00:50:09 ◼ ► do have like i said marvel has this sort of superfan subscription that i don't subscribe
00:50:13 ◼ ► to because you get like a figurine and i mean it's almost like i'm not interested in any of that but
00:50:18 ◼ ► i could see that where there's a superfan that bundle that gets you both but um and they may also
00:50:24 ◼ ► yeah they may bundle a small collection of comics with the streaming service but it you know this is
00:50:31 ◼ ► a disney streaming service not a marvel streaming service so i think it's most likely that they
00:50:36 ◼ ► won't because it will just confuse the product and same vein uh similar vein nate has asked
00:50:43 ◼ ► all the talks of the upcoming streaming service from disney where do you see it being announced
00:50:47 ◼ ► maybe an apple keynote at their own media event what do you think so um i read an interview with
00:50:54 ◼ ► i think bob eiger from disney but it was a story about this where oh no it was he was doing their
00:50:59 ◼ ► results yeah and one of the things he said is that they would be announcing more details of it
00:51:04 ◼ ► in the near future so where that is i don't know it would be great if they announced details on
00:51:09 ◼ ► stage at an apple keynote there would certainly be a great uh great uh audience for that they
00:51:15 ◼ ► my guess is that they will do their own event uh that they like they do for some of their kind of
00:51:20 ◼ ► other things they do they have like disney events where fans come and stuff like that it maybe it's
00:51:26 ◼ ► something like that it's disney event star wars event i don't know but i do think that it we're
00:51:37 ◼ ► their run-up to it they've said late 2019 is when they're launching so they've got a year
00:51:42 ◼ ► to prepare for this but i do think we're going to get more details about this uh streaming service
00:51:48 ◼ ► soon i should mention if somebody's a uh stratechery member ben thompson wrote a nice piece
00:51:54 ◼ ► today august 20th uh for members that is about disney and where their business is going both
00:52:01 ◼ ► in terms of live sports like espn stuff and in terms of the streaming service and it's a very
00:52:06 ◼ ► interesting read about how disney you know they're they're really trying to find a way through this
00:52:11 ◼ ► thicket of people dropping cable but some of them picking up um over the top tv services like youtube
00:52:18 ◼ ► tv and hulu and then uh also trying to build their own streaming services out and it's a tough job
00:52:26 ◼ ► because they're trying to like keep the company running while transitioning from a one media
00:52:31 ◼ ► world to a very different one and it's a good piece by ben thompson as they almost all are there is a
00:52:36 ◼ ► there's a very good quote um from bob eiger that i really liked i liked the kind of uh the way he
00:52:43 ◼ ► sees the company he's like with where we are right now when we're planning to launch which is sometime
00:52:47 ◼ ► in 2019 we know everyone's going to pass us by right like we're being left behind by everybody
00:52:54 ◼ ► but our content is content everybody wants so it doesn't matter right like it doesn't matter that
00:53:02 ◼ ► we're late to this game because if you want star wars and marvel and he didn't say it but you know
00:53:07 ◼ ► all the other stuff they're buying uh pixar pixar yeah pixar and then you know all the other stuff
00:53:12 ◼ ► from from fox like if you want that this is going to be the only place you're going to get it so
00:53:17 ◼ ► they don't care that they're going to be late it seems like what i actually quite like is they're
00:53:21 ◼ ► waiting until they have this right before they launch it because they know that their stuff is
00:53:26 ◼ ► desirable so it doesn't matter and i really like that that kind of view on the position from the
00:53:33 ◼ ► ceo and that he's not really sugarcoating it so i like it's a very disney view of their content
00:53:37 ◼ ► which is disney he was always confident to do things like withhold their products from the
00:53:41 ◼ ► market in order to build up demand with their on home video for example of disney movies and things
00:53:45 ◼ ► like that so they're definitely going there he said you know that they're going to play a quality
00:53:51 ◼ ► game and not a volume game which he said i don't mean to say that netflix isn't playing a quality
00:53:55 ◼ ► game but they're also playing a volume game and he's basically saying we're not going to make
00:53:59 ◼ ► a new show or two and a movie every week that's not going to happen but they are going to make
00:54:05 ◼ ► sure that they have good stuff and they've got a good catalog and they do own all of this content
00:54:10 ◼ ► now especially with the purchase i mean disney streaming service is being built with an eye
00:54:14 ◼ ► toward disney products now they're going to start when the fox deal closes like there's going to be
00:54:20 ◼ ► a whole second way where they start taking all the fox properties and seeing what could they do with
00:54:24 ◼ ► some of those and you might think well a lot of the fox stuff is more adult and won't fit on a
00:54:29 ◼ ► disney streaming service some of that might be true but i think some of that stuff that fox has
00:54:36 ◼ ► in their library will also have value to disney whether it's something like firefly the x files
00:54:42 ◼ ► there's a bunch of stuff in there that is part of the fox collection that they're going to be able
00:54:46 ◼ ► to use and uh and so watch for that too there's a lot going a lot lot of sort of like second wave
00:54:52 ◼ ► from the disney streaming service that got way more interesting now because they're going to
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00:56:36 ◼ ► ask upgrade train has lasers that was very impressive fransois asks i found myself being
00:56:47 ◼ ► annoyed lately at some ios release notes updates companies seem to trying to be too cute now as
00:56:54 ◼ ► like a backlash from just being boring for example a recent youtube update said bug fixes stability
00:57:07 ◼ ► i don't love bug fixes and stability improvements i also don't love it when they try to cutesy it
00:57:14 ◼ ► up and say we love our users so much that we are always making improvements and think fixing bugs
00:57:19 ◼ ► and thank you so much like i think there is a discontinuity here where you know apple sort of
00:57:27 ◼ ► views this i think as a way to let developers detail what's changed and uh but a lot of people
00:57:36 ◼ ► a lot of companies view it as kind of a marketing opportunity and there is a real question like what
00:57:42 ◼ ► who who is using this and why are they using this um i would prefer it if companies said
00:57:50 ◼ ► big picture here's what we did and then here are the details um i think it's against some companies
00:57:56 ◼ ► culture to admit that they are fixing specific bugs and i guess there are arguments pro and con
00:58:08 ◼ ► i always prefer to get a big juicy list that says we fixed even it doesn't have to be detailed it
00:58:13 ◼ ► doesn't have to list every single bug fix but to say we fixed a problem where the ipad with with
00:58:18 ◼ ► you know loading in portrait just portrait mode on an ipad pro just to make up an example right like
00:58:26 ◼ ► that's like oh yeah okay great um but i know that a lot of companies view it as like a litany of
00:58:31 ◼ ► failure to like all these things that were broken but now we're fixed and it's very negative so they
00:58:36 ◼ ► just stay positive but you know i would prefer that and and improvements are also like tell me
00:58:43 ◼ ► about your improvements but um i don't know i guess it's every developer's decision to about
00:58:51 ◼ ► what they want to disclose and a lot of developers just don't want to do it but i would um cuteness
00:58:57 ◼ ► like i don't love it um because that feels like not a place to do that and that's just trying to
00:59:02 ◼ ► be kind of like meta about the fact that everything is bug fixes and stability improvements but you
00:59:08 ◼ ► know i don't know i don't i don't need any more whimsy in my uh app release notes i guess i would
00:59:13 ◼ ► say but i don't like the lack of disclosure anyway in those app release notes i don't like it when
00:59:18 ◼ ► they just say bug fixes and stability improvements because the point is that you should be able to
00:59:23 ◼ ► say something about what's changed and um i wish they would be a little more uh open with their
00:59:30 ◼ ► disclosure i feel like some i mean so i would say the bug fixes and performance improvements thing
00:59:35 ◼ ► doesn't really annoy me that much purely because like it doesn't work for companies to list
00:59:41 ◼ ► everything all the time because sometimes there isn't anything particular right like it's right
00:59:45 ◼ ► they might be um because this happens a lot right an update comes out to an app and there's a new
00:59:49 ◼ ► feature that's hidden and they announce it a couple of days later and it rolls out right because
00:59:55 ◼ ► it is unrealistic to to sometimes to announce an update to your application if people have an
01:00:01 ◼ ► update yeah like you i'm sure developers know like how long does it take people to update to
01:00:05 ◼ ► to to a new version or whatever so they want to hold it right and there's there could be security
01:00:09 ◼ ► issues that you don't want to disclose and that's absolutely true and a lot of stuff is really
01:00:13 ◼ ► esoteric like we had this issue that affected you know 10 people and caused this crash and we fixed
01:00:18 ◼ ► it it's like does anybody care about that so i get i don't think that there's a lot like a lot of big
01:00:23 ◼ ► companies like google and facebook and stuff it seems like they are on a um release cadence
01:00:29 ◼ ► right that they will have a release for their apps every two weeks and i would expect sometimes
01:00:34 ◼ ► there's just stuff that's not done yet but it's there right like because they're just pushing out
01:00:38 ◼ ► whatever the code is at a stable point and they keep you know that they just commit it and then
01:00:42 ◼ ► they upload it to the app store and then that will continue to be worked on so i guess there is kind
01:00:47 ◼ ► of probably isn't always stuff that's worth calling out so i understand why it annoys people but at
01:00:52 ◼ ► the same time i feel like i understand the practicalities of these these big corporations
01:00:57 ◼ ► to the point where like sometimes it's just not worth it for whatever reason to disclose literally
01:01:02 ◼ ► every change i think for francoise purpose here like they're trying to do something when they
01:01:07 ◼ ► can't do anything else so they're trying to distract you or make it amusing and it's very meta
01:01:11 ◼ ► and i get how that would be annoying too because i find it kind of annoying but the larger issue is
01:01:16 ◼ ► that they don't have anything to say they literally have nothing to say other than we fix some bugs
01:01:21 ◼ ► yeah so they just say something fun which i mostly don't like it feels unprofessional to me in most
01:01:26 ◼ ► instances phillips written in my wife recently dropped her series 2 apple watch it's being
01:01:31 ◼ ► repaired but might need replacing if it needs to be replaced it will cost us 290 pounds does it make
01:01:39 ◼ ► sense to get a new series 3 right now or is the series 4 likely to be out in the autumn don't don't
01:01:47 ◼ ► don't don't buy it because there will be a new apple watch i mean just today there was a report
01:01:53 ◼ ► about uh some regulatory approvals for six new apple watch models don't do it i broke my ipad
01:02:03 ◼ ► cracks are getting worse but that thing's still going strong because i'm not going to pay 490
01:02:09 ◼ ► pounds when i'm probably going to be paying a thousand pounds in four weeks or five weeks or
01:02:13 ◼ ► something so if you can get by don't do it it would be my would be my advice right now um
01:02:21 ◼ ► because it's too it's just far too soon right now it's far far too soon and you may not want the
01:02:26 ◼ ► series 4 but it means you'll get a series 3 for cheaper so hopefully yeah don't don't do it i was
01:02:31 ◼ ► i have a cracked screen story which is i was at a restaurant on friday in san jose i was in san jose
01:02:38 ◼ ► visiting some friends because there was a convention there uh it was fun it was like uh
01:02:46 ◼ ► the way fewer people by the way apple uh developer conference between a conference and then all of
01:02:52 ◼ ► the like people who are there not going to the conference we really kind of shut down and ruined
01:02:57 ◼ ► downtown san jose it was way it was fascinating to see it it's a little like going to comic-con
01:03:01 ◼ ► going to san diego outside of comic-con after having been to comic-con you're like well wait
01:03:05 ◼ ► are the where are the giant crowds and the long lines it's like they were gone that was really nice
01:03:10 ◼ ► anyway we went to a brewery that's just around the corner from the convention center which was
01:03:14 ◼ ► really great i'm gonna definitely try to go back there um next time there's a brewery around the
01:03:20 ◼ ► corner from the convention center yeah why did nobody know about this well i don't i don't know
01:03:31 ◼ ► interesting to go to yeah there's a there's a nice little uh nice little brewery it's kind of like a
01:03:37 ◼ ► block away from the uh the theater the it's the uproar brewing company interesting it's on it's
01:03:43 ◼ ► on uh sense alvador and first um anyway uh they have it's all an ipad checkout system so they've
01:03:51 ◼ ► got an ipad kiosk and then they also have for the dinner rush which we were there you know five to
01:03:55 ◼ ► eight or whatever um drinking beer and then people came and then we had dinner and it was it was busy
01:04:00 ◼ ► they have another ipad that they that they bring out and i can see why they only bring this one out
01:04:05 ◼ ► for the dinner rush because it has a cracked screen which you know i get it you don't want
01:04:11 ◼ ► to pay to fix your ipad whatever but it's one of those things where you know they run your card
01:04:17 ◼ ► and then you need to sign on the screen and i'm signing on the screen over the cracked glass and
01:04:25 ◼ ► i can feel the cracked glass as i'm signing and i think to myself i don't like this this is not
01:04:31 ◼ ► you should not be having your customers run their fingers over cracked glass that may throw a shard
01:04:38 ◼ ► into their finger at any moment seems like a mistake so that's my cracked screen story which
01:04:43 ◼ ► is like you want to do it yourself that's fine but to inflict on your customers moving your finger
01:04:50 ◼ ► over that's i don't want to do that i don't want to move my finger over that crack there because it
01:04:54 ◼ ► could could uh you know put glass in my finger and i use my finger because i have to type things some
01:04:59 ◼ ► cracks are fine you know you can sometimes you your ipad screen if it's your own ipad if it's
01:05:04 ◼ ► your own ipad you choose to take the risk if you want i agree for it for a point of sale ipad that
01:05:10 ◼ ► you should replace seems like a bad idea seems like a bad idea mihir asks will you be upgrading to
01:05:17 ◼ ► presuming they're announced the new ipad pro the new iphones and the apple watch series 4 just 2
01:05:23 ◼ ► or 3 what is your plan right now sight unseen okay the problem with this is that in reality we are
01:05:34 ◼ ► people who write about this stuff and talk about this stuff and therefore i would be i need to try
01:05:41 ◼ ► all the stuff hopefully i can get review units of all the stuff i will but but that said the stuff
01:05:49 ◼ ► that i buy i buy because i want it to be mine and i want to use it for a long time like i'm still
01:05:57 ◼ ► using the ipad pro first generation 12.9 because i bought that one and i got the second generation
01:06:04 ◼ ► review unit i had that but that's not what i use the one i use is what i bought so with that
01:06:09 ◼ ► disclaimer that i hope to have all four of these at least at some point the one that i will certainly
01:06:14 ◼ ► buy is the ipad pro certainly 100 i absolutely will buy a new ipad pro yeah because you're you're
01:06:21 ◼ ► a couple of variations behind at that point right so you're going to get a nice big big jump yeah
01:06:25 ◼ ► yeah and the new you know if it's best of list and all of that like i'm very excited about what
01:06:30 ◼ ► a new ipad pro i use my ipad so much the other ones you know i um i love my iphone 10 i'm
01:06:47 ◼ ► a revised iphone 10 if there is one um that that one is probably not on my agenda um apple watch i
01:06:55 ◼ ► have the series 3 with cellular and i'm very happy with happy with it so i probably would not
01:07:03 ◼ ► buy a new one of that and um yeah so that's for me that's that's it is that i'm really targeted
01:07:10 ◼ ► on the ipad pro what about you i will 100 be buying both ipad pros because i love them and i
01:07:20 ◼ ► want the newness of all of them they're very important to me a bigger iphone 100 of course
01:07:26 ◼ ► right i'm going down that road bigger iphone definitely apple watch i don't want one because
01:07:33 ◼ ► i don't wear it anymore yeah i don't wear the apple watch i haven't worn my apple watch since
01:07:37 ◼ ► may if you are interested in hearing about that because it's too much to get into right now
01:07:43 ◼ ► i direct you to episode 71 of cortex where i explain in detail kind of why i have given up
01:07:49 ◼ ► on the apple watch and why i'm not interested in what i do what i'm doing instead there is a world
01:07:55 ◼ ► in which they could create an interesting enough product that i would want to buy it for the review
01:08:01 ◼ ► purposes or whatever right so i can talk about it but if it is just a jump like they've been doing
01:08:08 ◼ ► probably not right like i'm not going to need it other people having it will will suffice but i'm
01:08:14 ◼ ► not really interested in wearing an apple watch anymore at least for the time being um there has
01:08:21 ◼ ► to be some big changes to the apple watch i don't even know what they would be right for me to want
01:08:25 ◼ ► to go back to it because i am now in the mechanical watch camp so i i like my dumb beautiful watch
01:08:34 ◼ ► yeah you got you got reasons i i i'm not i i wore a mechanical watch for a long time but i don't
01:08:39 ◼ ► know i like my apple watch i enjoy i'm i'm enjoying i did uh this is big for me i closed
01:08:45 ◼ ► all three rings very early on on was it saturday sometime last week i was like oh boy this is big
01:08:52 ◼ ► but then you get in that moment where like i i put on my watch late in the day like 11 o'clock
01:08:58 ◼ ► one morning and i was like oh man i'm never gonna do it now and i did have a moment where i like
01:09:02 ◼ ► stood up and wandered around because i was trying to get credit pro apple watch tip by the way get up
01:09:07 ◼ ► at about 55 after the hour and walk around for 10 minutes and you get credit for two hours of
01:09:12 ◼ ► standing so i think that's a anyway i i enjoyed my apple watch uh watching my wife who's using
01:09:17 ◼ ► a series zero apple watch she'll definitely be getting a new apple watch this fall and i see
01:09:23 ◼ ► somebody on twitter was saying this too how um how much faster the current apple watch is than
01:09:30 ◼ ► the original um there are a lot of people who like try the original apple watch and they're like this
01:09:34 ◼ ► is so frustrating my wife is frustrated with it and now i'm just sort of like just hold on new
01:09:39 ◼ ► one's way better because you know it's just all these pauses like why can't i tap on this thing
01:09:44 ◼ ► now she was trying to get an offy code and she's like tap tap tap tap tap tap and it couldn't get
01:09:50 ◼ ► it to come up and i'm like oh yeah that works fine on the modern watches so we'll see one thing that
01:09:55 ◼ ► i might do if i'm like moderately interested but don't want one for myself i'll buy it for
01:10:00 ◼ ► adina she's still using series zero like the original original um and she wears it and uses
01:10:06 ◼ ► it every day and has absolutely no complaints or problems with it she would be really happy with
01:10:11 ◼ ► a new one but you know i don't think she uses it very very much like she for her it's just like
01:10:15 ◼ ► it's my watch and it tells me the time do you know what i mean like and it gives me notifications
01:10:19 ◼ ► she's not really like digging into it very deeply but that would i've just thought that will be a
01:10:24 ◼ ► pretty nice way for me to get to see the new one and she would get a benefit from it because she
01:10:28 ◼ ► wears it every day all right that's i think we're gonna wrap it up there thank you so much to
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