201: Full English Breakfast


00:00:00   [Intro music]

00:00:08   From Relay FM, this is Upgrade, episode 201. Today's show is brought to you by MailRoute, Backblaze, and Squarespace.

00:00:16   My name is Mr. Myke Hurley, and I am joined by Jason Snell. Hi, Jason Snell.

00:00:21   Hi, Myke Hurley, congratulations. You just got married, and now we can call you Mr. Myke Hurley.

00:00:27   I am Mr. Myke Hurley. People may care about that, people may not care about that.

00:00:32   We're going to do Snell Talk, but at the end of this episode, we're going to do a very special Myke at the Matrimony,

00:00:36   because Myke got married and we're going to talk about it. People in the chatroom are remarking on the fact that I sound different.

00:00:42   It's because I've spent the last few days speaking to lots and lots of people, so I don't have much of a voice left.

00:00:48   We will talk about that later on in the show. We have a #SnellTalk question, because Jason, you were here with me in England.

00:00:56   So we have a question from another Michael who wants to know, for #SnellTalk,

00:01:01   Jason, what are your favorite British breakfast foods?

00:01:06   Okay, so here's my breakfast report. I stayed at a Bed & Breakfast, so they fed us breakfast every day.

00:01:13   From the bed.

00:01:14   And that was fun, because we got the full, well no, you had to leave the bed and go out into the dining room,

00:01:18   but they had the full English breakfast there, which I availed myself of, and so I can say, I approve of the sausage.

00:01:25   I actually approve of the bacon. The bacon that they served, you know, the bacon is different in the UK and Canada.

00:01:33   I mean, in the US they call it Canadian bacon, but it's back bacon.

00:01:37   It's taken from a different part of the pig. But it's still smoked and stuff, and it tastes just like the US bacon.

00:01:43   It tastes good, it's just typically softer, right? I think that's one of the big differences.

00:01:48   Yeah, I think it freaks Americans out because, and of course my family doesn't eat pork, so it was just me,

00:01:53   but it freaks Americans out I think because it looks like it should be ham, but it tastes like bacon,

00:02:00   and ham and bacon don't taste the same. It's a little bit different, but I liked it. I thought it was good.

00:02:04   I got a weird one, which I tried, which was okay, which was a fried, a fry bread, and then you could put,

00:02:13   and then you could put, I put beans on it. It was actually pretty good.

00:02:17   A beans on, sort of an almost beans on toast kind of thing, although beans is weird. They grill up some tomatoes.

00:02:23   I'm not interested in the tomatoes at all, and I had eggs, and eggs are good.

00:02:28   And I would say in a pinch, my favorite British breakfast food is probably a digestive biscuit or two,

00:02:35   because I love them, and I bought some of those while we were there. We were eating those in the morning,

00:02:41   and also on the plane back, and I'll also say that we went into a bunch of pretz while we were over there,

00:02:49   because sometimes you're hungry or you need tea, and this British breakfast food called a croissant,

00:02:55   it was pretty good too. I don't know how you guys come up with that stuff.

00:03:00   Crescents?

00:03:01   Crescents, a crescent.

00:03:03   Croissants, or something like that.

00:03:06   Croissants.

00:03:09   Thank you to Michael for the question. If you would like to send in a question to open an episode of this show,

00:03:17   then just go with the hashtag SnellTalk, and it will be brought in potentially for the future.

00:03:22   Now of course we are in the Summer of Fun!

00:03:27   That is happening right now. This episode is part of the Summer of Fun, because it has been very summery over here in England.

00:03:35   It's been very, very hot last summer. It's been the Summer of Sun over here.

00:03:39   But we are in the Summer of Fun. This episode is part of the Summer of Fun, because I'm back.

00:03:44   I think we weren't necessarily always expecting this to be the case, but here I am.

00:03:49   But we do last episode, which is a really fun episode, episode 200.

00:03:54   Thank you to everybody who wrote in to say that they enjoyed the episode.

00:03:58   Me and Jason really loved putting that one together, so we're pleased that you liked it.

00:04:02   But we did, as you may have noticed, we have some new things for the Summer of Fun this year,

00:04:06   including an incredible new Summer of Fun theme music, which we would like to thank the wonderful Chris Breen for putting together for us.

00:04:13   That will be playing all of our Summer of Fun episodes throughout the summer.

00:04:18   And also of course to Simon Buckmaster, the artist previously known as Frank Towers,

00:04:22   for his wonderful work on our Summer of Fun artwork as well.

00:04:26   So we have those there. They are going to continue to pleasure your eyes and ears as the summer rolls on.

00:04:32   I have a piece of follow-up, Jason, from our last episode.

00:04:35   We heard from a handful of people who let us know that you in fact can see show notes and links in the Apple Podcasts app,

00:04:43   and they're all nicely bulleted, as we would want.

00:04:45   Potentially the problem that led to me and you thinking that Apple Podcasts did not still show show notes

00:04:53   is that you only see them if you're subscribed to a show.

00:04:58   If you start playing a show from the store and you're not subscribed to it, it won't show the show notes to you.

00:05:04   So this is probably why we missed it. I guess we can assume that this is a bug and that maybe it will be fixed in the future. Who knows?

00:05:12   But we don't use it day in and day out, so I guess that's why we missed it.

00:05:15   I don't have a long subscription list in the Apple Podcasts app.

00:05:18   I just go in and check around with things every now and then.

00:05:21   Yeah, that's exactly it. I don't subscribe to things because I don't want to be downloading things in the background when I'm not really...

00:05:27   It's not my primary app, but I do go in there and poke around from time to time, and that's obviously...

00:05:32   But I do want to say I'm very happy about the fact that it does show show notes now. I think that's great.

00:05:36   Yeah, it's good. Very good.

00:05:37   Should we do some upstream?

00:05:39   Yeah, let's do it. I mean, just because I was wandering the countryside and you were getting married and all that

00:05:45   doesn't mean that the world of streaming media didn't continue to get weirder as we were doing, as we were distracted.

00:05:52   And as it continues to do. So Apple have hired a guy by the name of Joe Oppenheimer, who was working at BBC Films,

00:06:00   to fill an international content role. They're going to be operating into the overall international team that has been set up,

00:06:09   which is being run by Jay Hunt. So Oppenheimer will be reporting into Hunt, but Oppenheimer will be based in London.

00:06:18   So this is just another person who is known in the industry that Apple has swallowed up to help with their continued expansion

00:06:25   into different markets and territories for how they're going to be creating and rolling out their programming.

00:06:30   So it's not a huge piece of news, but other than that, you know, just I think it once again underscores how much importance

00:06:37   they're playing in this because they're not just getting anyone to do this stuff for them. They're not promoting people

00:06:43   from the App Store team to fill some of these roles. They are bringing people from the industry into the company, which is important.

00:06:50   Yeah, there's this misconception that this is sort of like Apple and there are a bunch of amateurs at the entertainment business doing this.

00:06:57   And that's not the case at all. As we've detailed here, they're hiring television and film executives to build this thing.

00:07:03   This is being built by the professionals. And you mentioned Jay Hunt. She's a very well-known British TV executive.

00:07:13   And this goes to the point of like where are they going to roll this out and what are their ambitions?

00:07:19   And it's very clear, as you would think it's consistent with what Apple has been doing with all their services,

00:07:25   but their ambitions are global. Now, that doesn't mean that they're going to roll out in every country.

00:07:30   They may only roll out in the U.S. or they may roll out in the U.S. with the U.K. and Australia behind them.

00:07:36   Or they may roll out almost everywhere. It's possible if they're buying all the rights for these original shows.

00:07:43   But there are some specific issues involving some countries want you to have content that is in that country or in that country's primary language.

00:07:50   And there could be issues there. We'll put a link in the show notes to The Hollywood Reporter, Tim Goodman, who I do the TV Talk Machine podcast with.

00:07:58   He wrote a whole piece in The Hollywood Reporter about Apple and his speculation that Apple should probably buy a content company,

00:08:05   that there's basically a feeding frenzy going on. And he thinks Apple just needs to get in there and start snapping up stuff itself.

00:08:11   Well, you got AT&T, you got Disney, trying to buy Fox. All of these things are going on.

00:08:16   And his suggestion is, look, Apple needs to be in there.

00:08:20   But one of the things he mentions is that one of Apple's acquisitions, as we, I think, mentioned here,

00:08:25   is a French show and they didn't just buy the concept to do an English-language version.

00:08:31   They did that, but they also bought the streaming rights to the French-language show.

00:08:36   And that was another tell, right? Because I know that in France, I don't know the details,

00:08:41   but France is one of those countries where you have to have a certain threshold of content from the country.

00:08:46   They don't want to just be steamrolled by American culture, basically.

00:08:51   And that's going to be part of Apple's challenge. It's not just the rights. It's following the regulations to provide content in all of these countries.

00:08:59   So that's all going on, too. There's a lot going on here.

00:09:03   Including an article, a report from The Information, which is talking about things that I think we have been just saying for a bit about Apple considering a subscription bundle, right?

00:09:16   Yeah, exactly. This is a report from The Information subscription site, but the short version of it I can read the kind of key point here.

00:09:25   "Apple is considering creating a single subscription offering that would encompass its original TV shows, music service, and magazine articles."

00:09:31   Remember, they bought that magazine subscription company.

00:09:35   "Two people familiar with the company's plans told the information. Such an ambitious offering would bear some similarity to Amazon Prime, which spans video, music, and some news.

00:09:44   Yet it would be sharply different from many other subscription media services, which tend to be focused on one specific entertainment area."

00:09:50   It's an interesting idea. John Gruber linked to this, and he and I have gone back and forth a little bit about what we think is most likely from Apple.

00:09:57   I think the truth is that it's probably not an either/or proposition. Even Amazon offers a streaming-only product in addition to the Prime product.

00:10:09   Now, it's not priced dramatically differently, but I think Apple could conceivably offer video service as a standalone and also offer a bundle.

00:10:20   The standalone might not be a really great deal, but I think offering a bundle, bundling with Apple Music at bare minimum is something that they would absolutely do.

00:10:30   But I think, again, it's worth at least pondering what would happen if you had an Apple Prime, essentially. What would that be?

00:10:39   And this report says they would roll in that sort of access to magazine content and Apple Music and this video service.

00:10:48   And then I guess my other question is what else would be in there? Would they throw iCloud storage in there, too?

00:10:54   And I think this seems to be right in Apple's wheelhouse, right? Apple's all about extending all the way around you and being like, "Yes, here's all of the things."

00:11:05   And right now, not a week goes by where I don't get a bill from Apple in my email for something.

00:11:11   Because I got Apple Music, and then here's a rental, and then here's my iCloud storage, and it used to be, and then here's my wife's iCloud storage, but at least they now have the family plan for that.

00:11:22   So there's always another invoice coming, and wouldn't that be a reasonable idea to take a bunch of these digital services together and offer a, you know, maybe it's an all-you-can-eat kind of approach, but something like that.

00:11:36   To say, "Look, I'm all in on Apple. Give me all the storage, all the media subscriptions."

00:11:42   And if it throws in magazine subscriptions and Apple News, maybe even newspaper access or something like that, you could build a really interesting bundle there.

00:11:51   Yeah, it seems like an inevitability that they would do it, but again, any other kind of thing that could suggest it anymore report just lends credence to this.

00:12:02   Again, who knows whether this is leaked or whether this is being spoken about in and amongst the people inside of Hollywood, right?

00:12:09   As we've said many times before, it can be a bit difficult to try and assign where some of this stuff is coming from.

00:12:15   AT&T have suggested that HBO need to consider themselves to be more like Netflix. Why is this AT&T's responsibility to talk about?

00:12:25   So AT&T bought Warner, Time Warner, basically, which doesn't include, this is the best part of this, Time Warner, doesn't include Time Warner Cable, already separate, doesn't include Time Magazine, the magazines were already sold off to Meredith, a different publishing company, who is in turn selling all of the news publications and sports publications.

00:12:53   The non-lifestyle publications to other buyers. So that's all just kind of getting broken up. It has nothing to do with those.

00:13:01   They bought the remaining pieces, which are a bunch of cable networks, TNT, TBS, they bought Cartoon Network is in there, and then also the Warner Brothers studio.

00:13:15   So they've got a studio. Well, HBO is part of that too. So AT&T owns HBO now. Last week the Syracuse family and the Snell family, not to give away too many little bits of personal information, but it's passed now, you can't find us there.

00:13:34   We went to the Harry Potter studio experience outside of London and it was a lot of fun, but all the time I'm sitting there thinking, it's just more money for AT&T now, isn't it? It's just like I got my phone, I got the Harry Potter ticket, it's all AT&T now.

00:13:50   AT&T owns Warner Brothers and AT&T owns HBO. So New York Times did a story where somebody recorded this company meeting where Richard Plepler, who's the head of HBO, and we've seen him on stage at Apple events, was there with his new AT&T boss.

00:14:08   And, you know, the story is really interesting. It's like what they really said to the employees, which is in many ways contradictory to what they said when they announced the deal, which is like HBO is doing great, it's very profitable.

00:14:20   HBO makes several billion dollars a year in profit. It's a very successful business. But they said all that and then they go to this meeting.

00:14:28   And at the meeting, the AT&T guy is basically like, we're going to change your business, you're going to have to work way harder than you do now.

00:14:38   I'm like, wow, this is, it set off all of the bells of every time we got new management in my old job.

00:14:44   And they all, they roll in and think they know how to run your business better than you, which let me tell you is never true. Like they can bring fresh ideas, but there is this tendency for people to, I think natural, it's human nature, people to expect that they've figured out what the business is.

00:15:06   And if you go with that, then you realize that a year in you realize, oh, I didn't understand this business. Better to go in and say, I don't understand this business. I want to learn about it.

00:15:16   And then we'll see what changes we can make. But that's not what this guy did. And so if I was an HBO employee, I'd be like, oh no.

00:15:23   Because he's like, yeah, you're going to have to work long hours and it's going to be really hard for the next year.

00:15:27   And I'm like, do you know, you're sort of sending the message that you're basically saying you guys need to work harder and that even though you make many billions of dollars in profit, it's not enough.

00:15:37   That said, I think what's really interesting about it. And there was another piece that followed that I think encapsulated a lot of my thoughts about this pretty well, which was on IndieWire.

00:15:46   And we'll put that link in the notes too, is this idea that HBO is this really nice boutique, profitable, high quality content provider.

00:15:55   But if you think back to when Netflix was talking about its aspirations and it would say, we want to be HBO.

00:16:00   Like we want to be HBO before HBO becomes us, something like that, when they were doing original content for the first time.

00:16:06   Well, the shoes on the other foot here, this is AT&T saying HBO is a great service with great content.

00:16:13   Everybody loves it. And, you know, they've got not just the cable, but they've got HBO now.

00:16:19   So they've got the over the top service. So they're a streaming service with original content.

00:16:23   But HBO kind of programs for one night, like they program for Sunday night.

00:16:28   So what this AT&T executive said was basically, you need to program for every day, not just every week.

00:16:37   And because we're up against Netflix here. And I think what's smart about that, despite the fact that it really rubbed me the wrong way, some of the quotes from the guy.

00:16:46   And I thought really like, you don't understand what HBO is, you know, be careful here. This may not be the best way to communicate what you want with the people at HBO.

00:16:55   But what he's saying is you need to make more content because if we're going to compete with Netflix and we're going to charge what we're going to charge, we need more stuff.

00:17:03   So HBO, you know, the positive spin on that is, are you going to give us a bigger content acquisition budget so that we can buy twice as many shows as we buy now?

00:17:12   I think that's a great opportunity for HBO if Warner Brothers and AT&T basically say, or WarnerMedia is what it's called now, and AT&T say, HBO is the battering ram we are going to use to beat Netflix with mainstream appeal as a streaming service and also linear TV.

00:17:30   We're going to use HBO. It's a great brand name. Everybody knows it. They have great content. Let's blow it up. Let's make it as big as we can.

00:17:37   I think that's actually not a bad strategy except for the one issue that has come up a few times, which is, can HBO retain its image, its quality, all of those things when it's programming two or three times as many shows as it is now?

00:17:51   I don't know the answer to that, but it will be interesting to watch this because obviously HBO is in the spotlight here with AT&T and that AT&T is not content to say, hey, HBO, you're throwing off several billion dollars in profit every year.

00:18:07   Great. Keep doing it. Instead, they seem to be very much like, could we use them to attack Netflix? Could we use them as the wedge to get more content and a more profitable streaming service to more subscribers?

00:18:27   And if I were taking over the ownership of HBO, I would be asking myself that question too. It's just interesting that somebody recorded the conversation with the employees and played it back, but it's something to watch for sure.

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00:21:37   Listeners of this show will then get 10% off for the lifetime of their account. Our thanks to MailRoute for their support of this show and Relay FM. So Jason, last week a new option appeared in a developer center of Apple's developer center that led to me receiving many, many, many text messages.

00:21:58   I was out at the moment. I was with some friends at a bar and my phone nearly buzzed off the table and set itself ablaze because they were all from Federico Battigio.

00:22:08   All from Federico and letting me know that you could register your interest to be a part of the Shortcuts app beta.

00:22:16   This was something that we had had our fingers crossed for that at some point during the iOS 12 beta process, there would be the ability to get a beta version of the Shortcuts app.

00:22:27   And Apple has allowed for people to say, hey, I want in and they are going to be and have been sending out test flight invitations in waves, it seems.

00:22:37   So some people that got in pretty much the first day and then a couple of days later or a day later, they sent out some more.

00:22:44   And I got mine, I believe on Friday, I got mine.

00:22:49   Actually, I do know it was Friday because it was the night before I got married. And that was how I decided I would take my mind off things was by playing around with the Shortcuts app.

00:22:56   So I would like to thank Apple and the Shortcuts team for keeping my mind active when all it wanted to do was freak out.

00:23:02   So a couple of things, which can run through some observations and we can maybe talk about it a little bit.

00:23:09   I know that you've been traveling, I've been traveling or just moving around my own city a bunch.

00:23:14   So I haven't had the amount of time that I've wanted to spend a bit yet, but I have been spending some time with it and poking around.

00:23:21   One of the things I found the most interesting was that it is a brand new app. It doesn't replace the workflow app, at least in the test flight.

00:23:29   But when you open the app, all of your workflows are there. Like they're all just there and they all work.

00:23:35   And they've made some slight changes, which I like to run a workflow. You just tap on the workflow now instead of like tapping on it and pressing play or double tapping it.

00:23:44   And if you want to edit it, there's that ellipsis and a circle that Apple's been putting in a bunch of places.

00:23:51   And you hit that button as a way to edit it. I really had hoped and I know that they didn't mention this, but I really hope there'd be some folders or something for you to put things in.

00:24:02   Which seems even more logical now that activating the workflows are a single tap that you could put it in a folder like how apps work on the home screen.

00:24:12   Because I'm going to end up with more and more and more shortcuts than I ever had workflows. So I would love some organization of them.

00:24:20   Even though, of course, you know, the majority of time that I'm going to be interacting with these things is probably going to be via Siri.

00:24:26   When I'm going in and poking around, I would still like either folders or as Rosemary in the chat is saying.

00:24:32   Rosemary, by the way, is the host of a wonderful new show on Relay FM called Automators.

00:24:37   And it's all about automation. It's her and David Sparks of MacPowerUsers. It is the perfect time to get on board of automation because of things like shortcuts.

00:24:47   I really, really recommend you go and listen to it at relay.fm/automators and there'll be a link in the show notes.

00:24:53   Anyway, so I would love something if some kind of organizational options. But again, I find it like looking a gift horse in the mouth right now to be complaining about this app in any way.

00:25:06   Because the stuff that they have given is mind blowing to me. So, you know, please, everyone out there who may or may not listen, don't worry about it.

00:25:18   Like if I would like folders, but don't worry about it. Give me it later, because there is so much more in this app than I ever could have imagined.

00:25:25   So in the shortcuts that you can build, you can include things like toggling do not disturb, low power mode, connectivity options, like you can turn off Wi-Fi, you can turn on cellular, you can mess around with airplane mode.

00:25:39   You can even do stuff like get the current Wi-Fi network name, which I don't even know why you would need that, but you can do it.

00:25:46   You can even set brightness and volume. Like this is wild, right?

00:25:52   I actually used the Wi-Fi network name on my Mac back when I was taking a laptop back and forth between home and work.

00:26:00   I had a bunch of scripts that ran that basically wanted to know my location. You could do this with location now too probably, but at that time it was basically if I'm on the work Wi-Fi network, then do these things.

00:26:12   And if I'm on my home Wi-Fi network, then do these things, which you would be able to do with that.

00:26:17   So like as I was saying this, I just came up with a new shortcut in my head for something that I've been wanting for a while.

00:26:23   So one of my wishes for iOS 12 was do not disturb while watching a video.

00:26:28   Because when me and Adina sit down and like maybe we want to watch something while we're eating, I want to make sure I always have do not disturb on so I leave it on all the time so it's not going to bug us.

00:26:37   Well now I could create a shortcut and just be like, ahoy telephone, movie mode, and it would turn on do not disturb on my iPad, put up the volume I could do and the brightness.

00:26:49   Right, like I could adjust all of that stuff and then I've got exactly what I need.

00:26:53   So these are some of the incredible things you can do. You can run arbitrary JavaScript in Safari.

00:27:00   Now I'm not 100% sure why this is so incredible, but everyone that I know that does understand this is freaking out about the fact that this is in there.

00:27:09   Because all of these things, that including all the other stuff, this is new. This isn't stuff that like has been held over from workflow days.

00:27:17   And this is probably stuff that the workflow app never could have done.

00:27:21   I would say it's it what it reminds me of is the fact that Automator on the Mac can do some things, but the most powerful thing it can do is you can dump in AppleScript or a shell script or sort of like any number of things that are like other complexity that's out there.

00:27:40   And when I see like run JavaScript out of a shortcut, it's a very similar idea that you know you're not just constrained to the shortcut, you can now add this sort of programming layer, scripting layer on top of it.

00:27:55   And that's all happening on iOS.

00:27:57   And again, because she's an expert, Rosemary has broken this down into one word for me that I can understand, bookmarklets.

00:28:03   Bookmarklets, yeah.

00:28:04   It's like now I get it, right, because I use bookmarklets in my web browser and I also now cannot believe that I'll be able to do that on iOS.

00:28:12   URL schemes for third party apps are supported and even highlighted.

00:28:16   So when you're building, I love the new way of doing things.

00:28:19   There's like it's in this slide up panel from the bottom when you put in a shortcut and everything's broken down into categories.

00:28:25   You have like broad categories like health and contacts and web and then you can go down and you can look into certain apps and it surfaces URL schemes for some of the apps that you use and even highlights some of them.

00:28:39   And also now I'm interested to see if this makes the shipping version, but applications that were previously in the workflow kind of database that had signed up and given their actions to workflow for them to be surfaced still show even if they're not installed.

00:28:54   So I don't have pinboard installed, but I see pinboard actions.

00:28:57   Now, if this ships like this and you were one of those companies, like this is now shown to every like to a much, much wider audience than workflow ever would have reached to.

00:29:12   So like this is some really interesting stuff there.

00:29:14   Like I cannot believe that everything that was in the workflow app is here and it works and has been beefed up with stuff that they never could have gotten access to.

00:29:25   Right. This is and when we've the last month when we've been talking about the best case scenario, this is sort of what we were talking about.

00:29:31   I do feel like at this point we're going to need to revisit our assumptions about, you know, what Apple does when it buys things or, you know, basically the well, yeah, the assumptions we make about how Apple does things.

00:29:43   Because what we see with shortcuts is, I mean, I mean, we could hope, but like, if you had asked most people like, well, what's going to happen to workflow?

00:29:52   They would have said, well, Apple's going to do what it does, which is swallow the team, integrate some of the technology in other places, but you'll never see anything that resembles workflow exactly.

00:30:01   And that'll be the end of it.

00:30:03   And that's not what happened.

00:30:05   In fact, it was all the way on the other side, which is they took workflow, kept it around, turned it into shortcuts, added features, integrated into the system.

00:30:15   Right. I mean, so it makes me, it makes me look at this and think when we're talking about, well, oh, we know what Apple will do with something.

00:30:23   I think this is a very strong counter argument that maybe what we think of as what Apple does with some of this technology, especially stuff it acquires isn't.

00:30:33   It felt like we knew how PR was dealt with and then it changed.

00:30:36   Totally. And then it changed.

00:30:37   And then the way that they do releases.

00:30:38   Like Gray has been saying this, and I am inclined to agree with him, that this might be one of the greatest acquisitions Apple's ever made.

00:30:45   Like when you look at what they did and then what they did with what they bought, right?

00:30:50   Like that they took a thing and they made that thing integrated into the operating system or more powerful than it ever has been before, rather than like, we're going to buy these people.

00:31:01   This technology is going to die and it might surface somewhere else in some crumbs later on, you know, like, which is maybe some of the ways it's been in the past.

00:31:09   And again, like time will tell, but you know.

00:31:11   Yeah. I don't mean to say that, that Apple hasn't made acquisitions in the past and you've been able to see visible pieces of them.

00:31:17   They bought CoverFlow and put that in a bunch of places.

00:31:19   They bought SoundJam and made it into iTunes, although that was a completely different interface when they did that.

00:31:25   We just know that it originated as SoundJam, but it was not SoundJam anymore.

00:31:29   Um, but it happens rarely.

00:31:31   And I think, yeah, I think the key here is this is, this is how a healthy platform owner uses the ingenuity of the platform in a, in a good way, which is some of the stuff you build for your platform or platforms that third parties are going to do.

00:31:56   It's not in the core interest.

00:31:58   And you're like, great, I'm glad you're doing that.

00:32:00   You're serving a narrow audience with it. Awesome.

00:32:02   Then there are the things where as a platform owner, you look at it and say, Oh, that's really good.

00:32:08   Like why? And when we saw workflow for the first time, we're like, Oh, like they, that should, that should be, why is that not part of the system?

00:32:18   And to Apple's credit, what happened here is basically what should have happened, which is somebody at Apple looked at that and said, that's really great.

00:32:26   It should be better.

00:32:28   The only way it's going to be better is if we integrate it into the system, let's buy it and, and bring those guys in and, and do that.

00:32:37   And they did that.

00:32:38   And that's like, that is, that is optimal here is that if you see anything that, um, as Apple, if you see anything that the third parties are doing, cause there's a lot of experimentation out there and people are trying to find like different ways that Apple hasn't thought of, or that Apple hasn't prioritized to do something.

00:32:54   And then something catches fire and you're Apple and you look at it and you have that ability to say, is this something that it would be benefit beneficial for us to kind of like take it over.

00:33:02   Um, and ideally not for us to copy it, the Sherlocking kind of thing for us to copy it and put and ruin it, which Sherlocking gets overstated.

00:33:10   Cause generally when Apple, um, duplicates a feature that's in third party stuff, they do a simplified version of it that is meant for mainstream use.

00:33:17   And that all of the people who are the kind of hardcore diehard users of that product look at Apple's implementation and are like, no, that's not like, no, I don't want to do that.

00:33:26   It's very rare that Apple just completely duplicates functionality and destroys a product.

00:33:31   It happens, but it's rare, but better is for them to be like, those people figured out something super important that we should do and who better to do it than those people.

00:33:41   And so I'm very happy that this happened because it's, it's the right approach. It's the ideal approach for a situation like this.

00:33:49   Um, I really like, so I've been kind of tooling around with this and I really liked the way that they surfaced the Siri suggestion stuff.

00:33:56   Um, so like when you're going through the app, there's just a, when you tap, when you tap in the search box, it brings up some different category options.

00:34:03   And one of them is Siri suggestions and you tap that and it shows you the list of stuff you've recently been doing, right? So you can see a bunch of things and then you can start like building some stuff that way.

00:34:14   And I really liked that. So you can quickly quickly grab actions and it helps you with the shortcuts that you're building.

00:34:21   And I'm thinking as well, like I'm keen to see, cause I haven't used any application yet that is giving those buttons, you know, like we can hit a button to like add to shortcuts.

00:34:31   So I don't know how that stuff like integrates, but the categorization of everything seems really good. Like just looking through stuff, it's helping me think up some new things.

00:34:40   Like one thing that I'm really, well, I really like, I, um, sometimes I struggle to wake up in the morning. I've always been that way.

00:34:47   So I set like maybe like five alarms, right? Just over different time periods.

00:34:52   Uh, because I also, um, because I can be a sleepy head, uh, I find myself turning off the alarm, like not just snoozing it, right? Like some action will make me turn off the alarm and then we'll have now slept through the alarm.

00:35:06   So it was frustrating, you know, like you go into the app and you like hit all the five things. Well, I've now set up a shortcut that I can activate via Siri, which is just turn on my alarms and it just turns on five alarms.

00:35:18   And then I have one to turn off my alarms and it turns off five alarms. And it's like, I've now just saved all this frustration every single day.

00:35:28   Like where I would open the clock app and like tick, tick, tick. And when this comes to the HomePod, I'll just do it as I'm getting up from the sofa and going to bed.

00:35:39   Just like a high telephone set my alarms and it will just do it for me. Like I won't even need to have the phone in my hand and you know, like I won't need to do anything specific.

00:35:48   I won't need to think about it because the HomePod is so good at understanding everything. I'll just shout that out and then go to bed.

00:35:54   Or what I'll probably will end up doing Jason is create a whole thing with my, uh, scenes in HomeKit as well, where I just say like, Hey Siri, it's bedtime and it will turn off all the lights that I want in the, in the house.

00:36:07   Turn on the lights at a low level in the bedroom, set my alarms for me. Like this is what I want. Like this is me being able to, as we spoke about before, use some very simple programming tools to make Siri work the way I want it to.

00:36:24   It's wonderful.

00:36:26   The Federico has been tweeting some stuff that, that I was very impressed with, like he has shortcuts to basically say for toggle his time tracker to say what, what, what project am I currently tracking?

00:36:41   And then Siri tells him and also lets him start and stop a timer. And that's all via Siri.

00:36:47   He's got a basically setting a scene, which was, it's a hilarious example, but the idea that, you know, he will dim the lights and turn on the music and turn on, do not disturb and like all these things for it's, it's like, it's time for we'll say romance.

00:37:04   And that, that was a pretty great example. He's got a shortcut that will in Apple music, adds a song to a shared playlist, grabs the link to a song, sends it to a contact.

00:37:17   All happens inside a Siri. Doesn't open shortcuts. Doesn't do anything like there's.

00:37:22   And that's another piece of this that I really like that I had anticipated might happen, which is on workflow every time you trigger it, it basically opens the app and then you watch it run, which is.

00:37:35   Inelegant. Like I don't, when I run an Apple script, the script editor doesn't open and show me the script editor. When I run an automator action, automator doesn't open and show me the steps that it's going through, but that's how workflow worked.

00:37:48   Shortcuts still does that if you're, you know, using it from a share extension. And I actually kind of hope eventually that goes away because I don't want to see it. I just want it to do what I want.

00:37:59   But in Siri, that happens in Siri. It just kind of does it when you trigger it by a Siri and then it's beautiful. Perfect.

00:38:08   Hey, there it goes.

00:38:13   This is the best. I love you is what I'm saying.

00:38:18   Our friend, uh, Yemi Rambo, who's at underscore inside friend of the show has created a website called share cuts, which is share cuts dot app, which is, it's pretty bare bones at the moment, but I understand that he's doing some work to, to kind of broaden it out, which is going to be featuring people that share shortcuts that they're creating.

00:38:37   These types of things will be really good resources. I think like Apple's going to have their own like, and they're still going to be there at their own examples of what you can do.

00:38:46   But some of the super, super nerdy stuff that needs to come from super, super nerds. Right. And there's some, there's some stuff on there already that you can take a look at.

00:38:56   Um, and you can upload them as well. Like, so you can, if you've created a shortcut, you can upload it. Um, I'm really excited to see how all of this sort of stuff starts to come together.

00:39:07   One of the best things about user automation stuff is that you, if there's a community around it, you don't have to start from scratch. Like some of the, the, the best scripts and other things that I've done have been adapted from things I've found from friends, from people on the internet.

00:39:22   So having something like this as a resource is great because yeah, you, you may not be a shortcut builder wizard, right? But if you find something that is close to what you want, you could, you can add it and then edit it and say, Oh, that's how they're doing that.

00:39:39   And then put together the thing that does exactly what you want. And that's the beauty of stuff like this is being able to do that because you probably won't find something that does exactly what you want, but you will find something that has pieces in it that you can take and apply.

00:39:51   And make the thing that you want. And that's, that's where you go from being a kind of just a user who wants to do some automation and might not be able to raise, you know, go above that bar of being sort of an expert automation person, but you can get the result that you need without being one.

00:40:07   Like I'm gonna, um, take Federico's new toggle actions if he's changed them and adapt them like I did the last ones. Right. And that, cause that's something that I'm able to do. I can, I can't necessarily work out how to do everything, but when I can take one of the, like it was Workflow is now Shortcuts.

00:40:25   I can take one that somebody else has made and I look at how it works and I watch the steps. I can work out how to customize it. But like for me, sometimes just like trying to build it from the beginning is tricky, but that's what's so cool about this stuff is the more people that make things, the more people that share things, the more it helps everyone because you can help more people understand how to use it.

00:40:46   Like, I mean, it's always tricky when you're excited about something to judge how it will ultimately result, but this feels really important to me, like in a really big way. Um, and I'm very, very, very excited about it.

00:41:00   Yeah, I think it's, uh, it's going to be great. And as you mentioned, the HomePod, um, when Apple watch. Yeah. Yeah. That, that's all just kind of like, it's all rolling together then where you, you built your, uh, you've built your shortcuts and you've got access to them wherever you are and wherever Siri is. And that's the, the potential there is pretty enormous.

00:41:23   There was also Jason, uh, a report from Ming-Chi Kuo, um, who is not at KGI Securities anymore.

00:41:30   No, he went off on his own and there was one of those things of like, he's also, he's not going to just focus on Apple anymore. He's going to focus on other things, which is funny because it's like Mark Gurman going to Bloomberg. It's like, yeah, he's going to do other things, but he's also going to do Apple. Well, same, same here.

00:41:44   Ming-Chi Kuo off doing, doing a different thing still has all the best Apple supply chain sources. So here we go.

00:41:51   Uh, he's reporting that the next iPhone models will finally feature some color. Now there's a, there's a couple of options here, so let me run through them because it gets a bit confusing.

00:42:00   So apparently the new 6.5 inch, which is the 10 but plus sized, right? So we'll put 10 plus. It's called 10 plus for, for, for discussion today, will come in black, white, and it will get a gold color option.

00:42:15   Now in the report on nine to five Mac, which is building off what Kuo was talking about, there is no mention about what might happen color wise to the 5.8 inch phone, which is the current iPhone 10 size.

00:42:28   I'm going to assume that this will also get black, white, and gold, right? Like they will be the color options for these phones. Yeah. The 6.1 inch LCD phone, which is going to look like, so the reports are saying it's going to look like the, the iPhone 10.

00:42:46   The reports are also saying it will get a dual SIM card slot and will feature face ID and stuff as an LCD screen instead of a OLED screen, but it's still a bigger. So we'll call this the iPhone nine. We'll call this the iPhone nine.

00:43:00   That will feature a gray option, which let's assume that's black, right? Space gray, space gray. Who knows what that means? There's 80 shades of space gray, but yeah, not 50 shades, not 50 shades.

00:43:14   It keeps going. It keeps going. Yeah. Space gray, white, blue, red, and orange. Johnny, I say, right? Color is my understanding.

00:43:25   I'm excited. This is interesting too, because it may be, you know, they're trying to differentiate that this is the more kind of mass market. It's not the super Lux high-end iPhone 10.

00:43:35   It's the iPhone nine and a fun colors at launch. I I've been saying this, I was gonna say, I've been complaining about this for a long time. More color, more color in the iPhone line, please like iPods with colors were so much fun.

00:43:49   And Apple has just, you know, they've been like, well, what if we did a space gray and what if we did a gold or a rose gold? Great. But, um, and then they did, they did the product red and it was beautiful, but it was a half step like six months later.

00:44:03   So coming out the door with blue and red and orange, which as we know, Steven Hackett proved to us is Johnny Ives favorite color. Um, awesome. That sounds great.

00:44:14   I'm, I'm a little disappointed that these are only going to be in the iPhone nine as we will buy, right? Because it's not the one I'm going to buy. Can I have, before we go on, can I, can I do a, um, uh, can I ask you, we've done this before, but I want to check in with you now that new, assuming there is a, an update to the 5.8 inch, the iPhone 10.

00:44:35   Are they just going to call it the iPhone 10 all new iPhone 10 or are they going to call something else? 10 S 10 S interesting access, which will look strange as access, but I think they'll go with tennis.

00:44:46   I don't, I don't think they're at the point right now where they would just keep calling it the 10. I don't know. I guess it depends what they do.

00:44:54   We'll revisit this when it comes time for us to do the iPhone draft, but I think that this is the perfect time for them to just stop and say, as long as it looks like this, it's the iPhone 10.

00:45:05   This is the new iPhone 10, the 2018 iPhone 10, and it's got new features, um, rather than, you know, cause then they have to go to the iPhone 11 and the X disappears. And I guess they could do that, but I don't know. It seems weird.

00:45:19   Um, we'll see. I mean, they could just iPhone 11, the X disappeared, but I just, I kind of can't see it. I wonder if that this, as long as it looks like this, if that's what they're going to call it.

00:45:31   But, um, we'll come back to that. There was also, there was a little more news about, about pricing, which, you know, as we all know, you got to take with a bigger grain of salt because supply chain doesn't really do pricing.

00:45:43   They, they, you can make some guesses about like the cost of the parts and what that means for price tiers. But I think that outside of Cupertino, you're going to have a hard time guessing what the actual, the price is going to be.

00:45:57   But let's assume that the, that Quo has good enough sources to try and at least approximate it. But he's saying that the 6.5 inch, which is the 10 plus will take the $1,000 price point that the 10 had. The 10 S will see a small price drop. Let's assume like 900.

00:46:15   And the 6.1 inch, which is the nine, right? So we're calling the nine, the LCD phone will sell for 700. I mean, that all makes sense to me, right? Like it seems like it seems pretty logical.

00:46:27   That if they have an update to the 10, which is mostly just internal stuff, they probably won't keep selling it for a thousand. And if they have a new phone, they might want to start that at a thousand, right? Because then the big phone becomes, uh, becomes the most expensive and then they bring in the $700 for the, for the kind of the one in look only.

00:46:48   That all makes sense to me. Uh, honestly, Jason, I'm not sold on the idea of them making color versions.

00:46:57   Huh?

00:46:58   I think it would be great. I'm not convinced that it will happen because they only did this one time with the iPhone and it didn't work.

00:47:09   On the 5C.

00:47:10   Yeah. That product didn't work because it never came back.

00:47:15   I think the question is what is on the back end? Is that like anodized aluminum or the, or the, the glass, um, and what it looks like, but I don't know. I'm, I'm intrigued that colors is a possibility. I would love to see it.

00:47:29   And, um, we're going to be between now and September, we're going to be, um, continuing to wonder about like what the names are and what the price points are. Cause the $700 price point.

00:47:41   That's where the iPhone eight is now, but keep in mind that this is a, um, the 6.1. So it was a little bit bigger than an iPhone eight.

00:47:49   But the idea here is that the, I think the theory, the theory is that the nine, the eight and eight plus go away or, or get pushed down on the price list and that there isn't a nine and a nine plus.

00:48:02   There's just a nine and it's, and it's looks kind of like the 10, but it's LCD.

00:48:06   It's a little bigger than the nine, but smaller than the nine plus. And if you want the really big one, you need to go get the 10 plus.

00:48:13   Um, and that's, that's interesting unto itself.

00:48:17   Um, tweaking the line a little bit and along with presumably keeping older products in the product line. So we'll have to see, but, um, I hope they're colors.

00:48:25   Um, but I will be sad as somebody who is not going to buy an iPhone nine, I would much rather buy an iPhone 10 or 10 plus or 10 S or whatever, um, then, then get the nine.

00:48:36   But I like to see color. I want more color in all of Apple's products. And I know there are lots of complicating factors and there are lots of reasons, but I would love it if there were more color options on every single thing that Apple sells.

00:48:48   I completely agree with you. I just have my hopes dashed too many times.

00:48:54   Yeah. Oh no, I know. This is like, like when we did the draft and there were certain things we didn't draft cause he was like, I won't be fooled again.

00:49:01   And then, you know, when it happens, you'll be, you'll be ecstatic and it will be a, uh, it'll be a best. I love you situation for sure.

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00:51:44   Should we do some #askupgrade?

00:51:46   I think we must.

00:51:48   Thank you for the lasers. The first question this time comes from Rob. Rob wants to know, do either of you use the iWork apps like Pages and Numbers?

00:51:57   I do. I use numbers for all of my charts for six colors because they're pretty. I really wish I could automate, speaking of user automation, I really wish I could automate that because I have to, when I was traveling and Apple's numbers came out the last time I just had my iPad and I was taking screenshots and cropping them in screenshots.

00:52:24   And on my Mac it's the same way. I'm taking screenshots. I can't just export this chart. It doesn't do that. So that's frustrating. But I do use it and the charts are very pretty. I never use Pages.

00:52:37   And I haven't given a presentation in a while, but when I do I always use Keynote because I find Keynote to be the best.

00:52:46   Yeah, I don't use Keynote very much because I don't do presentations, but I use Numbers for a bunch of simple charts that I like.

00:52:54   It's because I use Excel for some complicated stuff. We use Google Sheets for stuff we can share. But Numbers is good for simple tasks.

00:53:01   And I use Pages basically every single day to draw up contracts and stuff like that. That's what I use. I use Pages.

00:53:07   Because if I need to I can export it in Word anyway and I like to use Pages because it's simple and it's easy to use. That's why I use it constantly.

00:53:16   Robin has asked, "I'm considering setting up an Apple family sharing system so my wife doesn't have to use my account anymore. Does she have to redownload all of the apps onto her phone? Is it doable without a lot of hassle? I've been putting it off for years."

00:53:30   Jason, you do this, right? You have a family sharing.

00:53:34   Yeah, I think... I don't know. I think you can... It's a problem. We used to use one iTunes account for app purchases, which was mine.

00:53:50   And so when we went to family sharing, that was okay because all the apps were on my device. And so it was okay.

00:53:59   With the App Store, you can be logged in to a different account in the App Store than everything else.

00:54:09   So you could set it up so that you were using family sharing for everything else but not for the App Store.

00:54:17   And then keep... Because if you've got two people who have a completely different set of apps that they're using...

00:54:23   I may be missing something. I don't know if there's a way for you to migrate an Apple ID.

00:54:29   Well, the way it works is it's not a new Apple ID. You're migrating their Apple ID in. Oh, no, actually, it's fine because once you're in family sharing... Sorry, I got there eventually.

00:54:39   The beauty of it is you're not getting a new ID.

00:54:45   So if you've got two different accounts with different apps, when you put them in the same family, you get access to all the apps that were purchased by anybody in the family.

00:54:52   If you've got one account that has all the apps and you have a new Apple ID and it goes into the family, that ID can see all the apps that were purchased by the other ID and download them.

00:55:05   So I think she might have to redownload some apps, although I think maybe not all of them.

00:55:14   Over time, they would just update because it's all part of the family group.

00:55:18   So I think the answer is you could do this. It wouldn't be a lot of hassle. It should work.

00:55:22   The big problem is in-app purchases because in-app purchases often will not function across family groups.

00:55:28   If they're consumables, which is like... So that can be a problem.

00:55:34   If you buy a game and then pay to have the ads go away and then you give it to your child and you restore a purchase and it says, "I can't do that," then you got to pay again.

00:55:45   So that's happened to us. But sorry to be so circuitous about it.

00:55:49   Apple has actually done the right thing here because I can visualize it that I can look at the apps, even in updates and purchased, and I can see all the members of my family.

00:55:58   So if I'm on my wife's iPhone and she's trying to get an app that I already bought, I can actually go to purchased and tap on my name and see my purchased history and then add those in.

00:56:11   And it just does the right thing.

00:56:14   Kenneth wants to know, "Do you think Apple's upcoming streaming service will be integrated into the videos app or the TV app or whatever it's called now that's already included with iOS, just like how Apple Music was integrated into the music app?"

00:56:29   Yep, the TV app. And that's why I think it's probably going to be called Apple TV. And I think the TV app they built, at least in part with this in mind, that they want everybody in the TV app.

00:56:38   They want apps with their content to feed in there. They want live in the TV app. They want everything in the TV app. So of course that's where their service will live. Whatever they call it, it will be in the TV app for sure. 100% I would say. Like that's what it's for.

00:56:52   Mattias says, as asked, "My grandfather has an iPad Pro that he uses occasionally, but he doesn't love using a touchscreen. I was wondering if it would be worth it to get him an Apple Pencil or if you have another stylus you would recommend for his purpose?"

00:57:07   I would say Apple Pencil 100% because, yes, it is the most expensive, but it works the best. It is very responsive. It's comfortable to hold. And I use my Apple Pencil with my iPad like this all the time as a way to just use navigation.

00:57:22   It's nice because the point is so fine. It's such a small tip that you're using. It's very easy to activate buttons and stuff. Where previous styluses that I'd used, they're not really. They're kind of just like a big finger and it's not as comfortable, not as easy to use.

00:57:36   It doesn't feel as nice because it's got that rubbery tip, not the hard plastic tip. Considering it already has an iPad Pro, I think that an Apple Pencil would be a really nice addition.

00:57:46   Yeah, I think if you've got an iPad Pro, it's the only choice. Unfortunately, if that other crayon thing was available widely, I would say that would be worth looking at.

00:57:59   But it only works with the one iPad and isn't available widely. So I would say it needs to be the Apple Pencil. It's totally worth it. It functions so much better than all the other ones do. And if you've got an iPad Pro, then it's made for it.

00:58:13   Jason, Myke has asked if either of us have a favorite sports score app for the Apple Watch that updates information in a complication. He currently uses Sports Alert, but this doesn't work very well.

00:58:26   Do you have anything that you use? I have nothing, but do you use anything like this or have you seen anything like this?

00:58:33   I don't. I have been disappointed with the sports apps that I've used on Apple Watch because they don't update reliably. So I don't have any suggestions here, unfortunately. Sorry, Myke.

00:58:46   There may be a good thing for Myke coming in WatchOS 5, though, because one of the Siri watch face improvements is live sports scores. So you'll be able to somehow tell the OS what your favorite sports teams, groups are.

00:59:07   Spoken like a true sports fan. Sports lover. You can kind of tell what your favorites are, understand what you're asking it, and it will update the information for you.

00:59:18   Can we reveal that you're such a big sports fan that during your wedding reception, the England World Cup semi-final or quarterfinal match was going on simultaneously with your wedding reception?

00:59:30   And there was no TV for anybody to watch it.

00:59:32   And no TV for anyone to watch it.

00:59:35   I streamed some of it on my phone.

00:59:37   Our wedding planner asked if we wanted to put a TV in the room, and I said no. Because my thinking was if people want to look at it on their phone, they can do that. But I'm not going to take the attention away from our wedding because it would.

00:59:53   More people would be interested in watching the football if there was a TV in the room than there are if there weren't.

00:59:59   And the people who cared, you know, first off, it was on the BBC. You could literally just stream it.

01:00:05   And then I like I was talking to Shahid about it. I gave him score updates.

01:00:13   And he was happy. He was so nervous because, you know, I'm an American. I'm pulling for England and that's great, but it's, you know, it's not my country.

01:00:22   But Shahid was like super nervous about it. And so I was able to give him, he like didn't, he was like I don't even want to watch it.

01:00:29   So I gave him some scoring updates. And it wasn't that exciting a game apparently. And England won 2-0. It was all fine. But I'm just saying sport, not your thing.

01:00:38   But yeah, I know there were some people who were watching it on their phones and stuff like that. And I was totally cool with that. But I wasn't going to turn my wedding day over to the football.

01:00:45   But I have heard though, Jason, that it's coming home. Football. It's coming home.

01:00:50   Apparently. Apparently the football has been traveling around a lot. It's got a bunch of stickers on it from various locations. And it needs to come home and do some laundry.

01:01:00   Yep. There's just no more football. Anyway, Frank, final ask-up for a question.

01:01:07   If new iPads with Face ID are announced in 2018, how do you suppose Apple will address the fact that today's Face ID requires portrait orientation?

01:01:16   So I'd seen a tweet fly by sometime during the WWDC madness that occurs with a slide on an ARKit session that was talking about using the TrueDepth camera for face tracking.

01:01:30   And it mentioned about multiple orientations. So in ARKit, the new version of ARKit, you could work out a face in multiple orientations.

01:01:40   And I thought to myself, hmm, how? Because it can't do that, right? Face ID can't do it. But the TrueDepth camera is Face ID.

01:01:51   So I thought that was very interesting. This isn't necessarily saying that Face ID will be able to work in landscape, but it most certainly hints at a possibility for it, which I believe is the only way they can put this into the iPad.

01:02:04   It has to work in landscape or portrait. I do not believe they're going to put multiple cameras on it because in theory you would then need to put four because you can use the iPad in all four orientations.

01:02:17   And that's a normal thing. So I'm expecting that's the case. And I'm very confident about the fact that there will be an iPad with Face ID in it this year.

01:02:28   Because Steve Transmith and Mr. Rambo's previously mentioned earlier in the show, they've both found hints.

01:02:35   So Steve found something called AvatarKit baked into the iPad's version of iOS.

01:02:41   AvatarKit is the view that you see an emoji in when you look at all the an emoji at once. That's somehow referred to as AvatarKit somewhere in the system.

01:02:51   And Guillermo Rambo found the Face ID setup UI for iPad. So it's all in there. They're going to do it. And I believe it's going to be this year.

01:03:03   Yeah. So the answer to Frank is, how will they do it? They will make sure that the hardware and software will support either orientation on iPad. That's how they will do it.

01:03:17   And there will be a notch. And we know there will be a notch because if you look at iOS 12, you can see that Apple has very much pushed all status data to the corners already.

01:03:26   Right. But added a date though, which is like my favorite thing. I love having a date there.

01:03:31   So we'll see. But it certainly looks like all signs are pointing toward that. And I agree with you. I have a hard time believing that they're going to ship it and say, "Nope. Every time you want to unlock your iPad, you must hold it upright.

01:03:42   Even if it's in the smart keyboard, nope. You got to hold it upright to unlock it." They're not going to do that. That would be bananas.

01:03:50   Or multiple cameras seems silly to me.

01:03:53   Yeah. That seems like a waste of...

01:03:55   Because you think of how expensive that... It said one of the reasons that the iPhone X costs what it costs is because of all the sensors and all the technology.

01:04:04   What, are they going to put two or four of those in there? Sell the iPad for $4,000? I don't think so. I just imagine... They have to at some point make this work in multiple orientations.

01:04:15   Right. And I figure that they would not release an iPad with the Face ID before they do this because it would be nice, but it is not imperative that they do this.

01:04:26   There are lots of other hardware changes you could make to make iPads nicer before you put Face ID on them as much as I want it, but you don't have to do it this year if you can't get the orientation stuff right. So I'm confident.

01:04:39   So because this is the last episode of any show that I'm going to be on, in real time at least, between now and the beginning of August, and it's the only show I'm recording after the event in which I got married, I figured that we may as well talk a little bit about my wedding today for anybody that is so inclined to be interested.

01:05:04   Yeah. So we're going to do a Myke at the Movie style, Myke at the Matrimony after this break. We're not going to talk about any more tech stuff today, so if you're not interested in hearing about my wedding, which I totally understand, because whatever, you can come back next time.

01:05:21   We've got a bunch of amazing other stuff planned throughout the rest of the Summer of Fun. We have some surprise guests here or there, some special episodes here or there. We've put together some really fun stuff that we've been working on for a while, so the rest of the Summer of Fun is going to be a lot of fun for everyone.

01:05:39   Yeah, there will be a surprise guest or three. I can guarantee in the next couple weeks, there will be another episode with Myke's voice that we pre-recorded, so you will hear Myke. He's not going away until August entirely.

01:05:53   And there will also be an episode where it's me and a special guest, and who knows what other surprises might be in store for the Summer of Fun as it rolls on. But first, we have to talk about Myke getting married after we hear about Squarespace. How about that, Myke? I said yeah.

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01:07:50   So it is Tuesday today and I got married on Saturday and it was a wonderful affair. We had 100 guests for the whole day and we had like an additional maybe five or 10 people that joined us in the evening portion.

01:08:08   We had two venues. We had a beautiful venue, which was this old chapel, which used to be a chapel. Now it's like an event space, but it was all kind of beautifully run down. It's wonderful. And then we put everybody on some two double decker buses and we took them over to a bar restaurant that we'd hired out over in central London.

01:08:28   Everything went perfectly. It was an amazing day for many reasons. I loved having pretty much all of my family and friends in one place. Never happened before. Even to just have all of the friends that I had there has never happened before.

01:08:49   It's the first time you met Brad, right? Yes, I think so. Right, so like stuff like that. Just so many people that I had never had interact with each other, which was wonderful.

01:09:03   And that made the day even more special for me that I could stand and I was giving my speech at the meal time and was able to see all of my family and friends and everyone got to meet my mom. And yeah, it was it was an absolutely wonderful day.

01:09:20   It was lovely to have everyone in town. Did a bunch of things. We went on a London Eye together and stuff like that. It was nice to be able to see my friends in person and not have jet lag because that doesn't happen very much. Everybody else had it, which was funny.

01:09:35   We've had lovely weather in London. Maybe maybe a little on the hot side in places. But I prefer that to it raining. I prefer it being hot because we could deal with that a lot easier and it didn't affect most of the day.

01:09:48   I did laugh when I removed all of our raincoats from the bottom of our suitcase this morning. We were in Europe for two weeks and we're not rained on at all. Nor were we really ever cold. One of the first mornings in Amsterdam, we were sitting in a plaza in the shade and we put on our sweatshirts. And after that, that was it. We didn't put the sweatshirts on again until we were on the plane.

01:10:13   Yeah. And I was overwhelmed by everything. Still am a little bit. I'm still trying to get my head around it all. Even just, we posted a couple of pictures and stuff.

01:10:29   Everyone's being so nice. Just so many hundreds of comments and stuff. Congratulations. I don't even know what to do with them all. I've read them all but it's impossible to communicate at that scale.

01:10:45   It's been a wonderful few days. I'm riding a real high right now as you can imagine. I love Adina very much obviously. It was just nice for us to be able to celebrate our relationship with all the people we care about.

01:11:06   As it should be, it was just a wonderful day. It was wonderful. It was great. It was a great group. It wasn't every relay host but it was a good number of relay hosts.

01:11:25   I think pretty much everyone that I host a show with at least was there and more so. We're waiting on pictures. We'll be sharing more pictures once we have them. We're waiting on the photographer's photos to come through.

01:11:40   Although if you follow me and John Siracusa and Marco and Tiff Arment and Casey Liss, if you follow those people on Instagram especially, you've gotten a pretty good sense of it.

01:11:55   Everybody's been posting stuff which of course is cool.

01:11:58   We waited though. We waited for you to open the floodgates.

01:12:01   There's a funny moment where, so basically anyone that's listened to me talking about this stuff for a while, we kind of just decided that we would keep all of this stuff to ourselves because it was our day.

01:12:12   We just went to keep the locations and the date and all that kind of stuff to ourselves. It was really funny as people were starting to arrive in London, there was triangulation.

01:12:22   This person's coming from the same, that was quite fun. People were working out when it was going to be. Then we sit down for dinner and nobody's really posted anything.

01:12:32   That wasn't, in my mind, as long as people weren't necessarily saying, "Oh, we're here." Such and such place. I had no problem people posting pictures.

01:12:42   I sat down and we were kind of just finishing our starters or something at the meal and I thought to myself, "Me and Adina, I want to post a selfie."

01:12:52   So we took a picture of ourselves and announced ourselves to the world as Mr. and Mrs. Hurley because she's going to be Adina Hurley now.

01:12:59   I posted it and then all of a sudden, I start getting tagged in photos on Instagram because everybody else who's just kind of looking on Instagram or wanting to post stuff is seeing that we've posted it.

01:13:11   So now people can start posting pictures. That was really fun.

01:13:14   It was another moment as well where everybody was leaving after the party was over. I could see people were in taxis or on trains and stuff and they're kind of traveling back.

01:13:26   Then they stopped posting their own pictures of the day. There was somebody who tweeted at me, which really made me laugh.

01:13:32   You see the embargo was lifted. It was just you and Federico and Steven. Lots of people tweeting about it. It was really fun.

01:13:40   I found a new feature on Instagram, which I didn't know exists. There's a bookmark icon on the bottom right-hand corner of images. It sits underneath the image.

01:13:52   You can hit that and it bookmarks it for you privately. But you can also create collections of images.

01:13:59   As all of my friends have been posting their photos on Instagram of either being at the wedding or being in London or other events that they've done with other groups of our friends and stuff, I've been saving them all to a private collection, which nobody can see them.

01:14:13   They can't be shared. It's just for me, of just our wedding. I have this whole thing on Instagram of just these pictures that our friends have been taking. It's really nice.

01:14:21   I love being able now to look through and see it all. I can't wait for all of our official photos to come through and to look through and see everyone.

01:14:31   We had a photo booth, which was really fun. Everyone got to get pictures and then print it out for them.

01:14:37   But then we also have this book, which I actually didn't know that the photo booth company provided.

01:14:42   But every time somebody took pictures in the booth, an extra copy was taken off and was glued in a book for us. Then people wrote messages in.

01:14:49   That is a cherished possession of mine now.

01:14:53   Isn't that great? Instead of signing a guest book or something like that, it was the guy with a photo booth.

01:15:00   He would glue a picture after it came out. You get one for everybody who was in the booth plus the extra.

01:15:06   The extra went in the book and then they handed you a Sharpie, basically, a big felt marker.

01:15:11   We got to write little messages to you. That was fun. You and I went in the photo booth, which was hilarious.

01:15:17   I got my Mexican register, my Lucha Libre mask. I don't even know what you had.

01:15:22   It was like some kind of old theater mask. I don't know. They got a name.

01:15:28   Oh yeah, it was the creepy one with the long curved nose. Yeah, that was super creepy.

01:15:32   Those are fun because it's sort of like, number one, we don't know what we're doing. Number two, we have a pose.

01:15:37   Number three, we're completely confused. And number four, we just are smiling.

01:15:41   But that was a lot of fun. My kids did them.

01:15:44   Yes, they were great. I got a picture signed by, literally, as they say in the book, for snail children, which was fun for me.

01:15:50   And we are going to be at some point over the next week, we're going to get digital images.

01:15:56   So every photo was taken in the photo book they sent to us. So we have them digitally as well.

01:16:02   Awesome. That's awesome.

01:16:04   So we can share them with the people that took them. So that's going to be fun too.

01:16:07   You know, I'm very clearly emotionally overwhelmed right now. You can probably hear that throughout the show today that I am not at maybe my usual energy level.

01:16:19   Because kind of in every way, like every type of energy I have has been depleted.

01:16:26   My physical and emotional energy is gone in the best possible way because we had an incredible day, which is super busy and full of dancing, right?

01:16:35   And then I have seen so many people and have been wanting to spend as much time with people as I can, family and friends.

01:16:44   And that is a very overwhelming thing, but has led to the greatest week of my life.

01:16:51   Like, it's absolutely perfect. You know, everything was incredible.

01:16:57   And now we're about to go and have our reward, which is sitting on a beach, you know?

01:17:06   So, yeah, it's been incredible. Thank you to everyone for their wonderful well wishes.

01:17:13   I can tell you it is another thing which is in the best possible way overwhelming.

01:17:18   I posted, I mean, look, I don't really want to sound like a tool, but I posted our picture on Instagram.

01:17:27   And I opened my phone again 20 minutes later or something and it had over a thousand likes.

01:17:34   Oh my gosh. I've never, you know, kind of the most likes on any image I've ever had before was like 1600 or something, which is the picture of Tim Cook with the Apple Watch.

01:17:44   But like this is getting up to like 4000 now, which is mind boggling to me, like to think that this amount of people care is wonderful.

01:17:54   It makes everything generally does makes everything that little bit sweeter, you know, because to think that people are like, you know, the people that are in the room are happy for you.

01:18:04   Right. Like that's the same as any wedding. You know, those people are there. They're happy for you.

01:18:09   But to see all of these other people to be happy for you is like it's wonderful. So, yeah, that's it was a wonderful time.

01:18:19   It was wonderful to see all those people. It was fun to be on your home turf instead of having you be over here to have all of us.

01:18:24   Yes. Dealing with the jet lag. I was very happy to not have jet lag because I came.

01:18:29   This was the end of my two week long European vacation with my family.

01:18:32   So we were it was so great to walk down streets in London and not be like hazy jet lag feeling that I usually have when I go straight to London and to see all those people.

01:18:43   So many interesting people, people I know, people I knew on the Internet, but hadn't met in person.

01:18:50   There was a lot that was really great at one point. Don't dream it's over was playing on the sound system.

01:18:55   And I chuckled at that because it was the I went back to when you and I talked about that album on inquisitive and you gave me the classic line.

01:19:03   I knew those songs because my mom had that CD.

01:19:07   It's always a call is a good one. Yeah, it was.

01:19:11   It was. Yeah, it was just an amazing collection of people. It's so rare that those happen when you get everybody together like that.

01:19:17   And so it's for a special occasion, but it's wonderful for all of us to to have been there and to have shared that with you.

01:19:23   And my only question is, so where do we all meet up again in two or three months because we're doing this now, right?

01:19:28   We're just going to always show a bunch of us are just going to show up in a city somewhere and visit with each other.

01:19:34   Well, I'm going to see you in like two weeks. So that's true. You and I will we have another again.

01:19:40   We're going to there needs to doesn't need to be a Reddit thread about trying to plot where Myke's honeymoon is.

01:19:46   Please. Oh, we said that is where we're going to Hawaii and we're going for San Francisco.

01:19:50   I spoke about it. Okay, good. That's fine. That's good because there was there was literally a Reddit thread.

01:19:54   Try and triangulate your wedding date. Yeah. They got they got it to people get married on Saturdays.

01:20:01   It's not that hard. Yeah. So we'll we'll we get to see you because you're going to be passing through San Francisco to and from the honeymoon.

01:20:07   So that'll be fun. But yeah, it's just it's just funny because there have been these milestones of sort of like, you know,

01:20:13   get to see people for WWDC and the wedding and all that. And now, you know, it's it's it was very special.

01:20:19   I would love that to happen more often. But obviously we're all scattered all over the world.

01:20:24   So it doesn't get to happen as often. But this was a this was a great time.

01:20:28   And you know what? Here's the amazing thing. My kids had a pretty good time to myself was a little bored.

01:20:34   I've been bored at weddings as a kid too. And I know it. But but my daughter had a great time.

01:20:39   She's so I was very pleased about that actually because it looked like she did because I was worried that some of the older kids wouldn't have fun.

01:20:44   So I was really happy that she did because it looked like she did. I was really pleased about once once the music started,

01:20:50   like she knows all the songs I have if I passed anything to my daughter at the Romanian.

01:20:55   It is a love for. Well, yeah, at that point at that point, we follow James Thompson, who literally brought a chair out onto the street.

01:21:02   It sat down outside as the Romanian song started. We're like, OK, we'll just listen from out here.

01:21:09   But yeah, she was she was she was really into it. So that was great, too. That was a lot of fun to be there and have my family get to share that with you and your family.

01:21:16   So it's pretty awesome. Yeah, it was wonderful. If you have enjoyed hearing me talk about my life for whatever reason and you've not listened to analog before,

01:21:25   you should go listen to the whole podcast about it. You can go back if you want to and listen to the entire like planning of this wedding and all the ups and downs.

01:21:33   It's all in there and I'll be I'm not obviously not going to Casey's going to be upset because this is like prime analog stuff.

01:21:40   I know, but I'm not going to I'm not going to be back on the show for many, many weeks.

01:21:45   So I figure I'll do this today and I'll talk to him about my honeymoon. How about that? All right.

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01:22:02   You can find Jason. He is a host many shows at Relay FM. Go to relay.fm/shows and you can see this show and many more.

01:22:11   You can find Jason over at Sixcolors.com, TheIncomparable.com and he's @JasonL on Twitter.

01:22:16   I am @imike, I M Y K E. Jason will be back next time.

01:22:21   I don't know what I won't be, but you might hear me. Who knows? Or will you? Who knows? Who knows?

01:22:27   Maybe some surprises in store. We'll find out. It's the great mystery of the summer of fun.

01:22:33   But until then, have a good honeymoon, Myke Hurley, and say goodbye. Goodbye, Myke Hurley. Goodbye, everybody.

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