60: Very Nice Button


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00:00:08   From Relay FM, this is Upgrade, and this is episode number 60. Today's show is

00:00:14   brought to you by the great people over at Braintree, Igloo, and Mail Route. My

00:00:18   name is Myke Hurley, and I'm joined by Mr. Jason Snell.

00:00:22   Hello, Mr. Myke Hurley. How are you, sir? It's good to be back. In the intervening

00:00:26   time between between our this episode and the previous episode, we saw each

00:00:29   other. Yes it's like we recorded many episodes of upgrade but nobody can hear

00:00:33   them. No we didn't record them we just performed them. Performed them, yes.

00:00:37   Privately. We did we were you and Steven and underscore David Smith were on

00:00:42   clockwise last week. That was a great episode actually. That was a lot of fun

00:00:46   and it was the only podcast recorded by us at release notes we didn't do a

00:00:50   liftoff we didn't do an upgrade just that clockwise. Boy did that feel good to

00:00:54   not have to worry about the scheduling whilst on a little trip. But that

00:01:00   was a nice nice episode of Clockwise if you have not heard Clockwise before you

00:01:04   should start episode 109. Yeah that's a great place to start there's very little

00:01:09   continuity in Clockwise you can just dip in you have 30 minutes you could listen

00:01:12   to it. Indeed it's easy easy easy peasy. Should we do some follow-up? I think that would be

00:01:18   great. So last week we were talking a lot about Force Touch and yeah me and you

00:01:23   were both basically lamenting the development of OS X in this regard and saying it seemed

00:01:29   that the tools weren't there and/or the activity wasn't really there. And Abby wrote a great

00:01:34   email to us. And Abby wrote in and they included a bunch of different scenarios that could

00:01:42   be used.

00:01:43   Yeah, he is--Abby is a--is a--like a power--a power user and I actually exchanged email

00:01:46   with him about this because--and I think--I think it's really interesting. He--so what

00:01:50   what he said is that he wants to be fast and do things as quickly as possible. And I thought

00:01:56   it was really interesting. He doesn't like the fact that there are some of the shortcuts

00:01:59   where you kind of click for a little bit and then let go and wait, and then something happens

00:02:04   like to rename a file. It's like, it takes too long. It's sort of John Siracusa-like.

00:02:08   It's like, I don't want to wait. I just want it to happen right now. Right? And so I get

00:02:12   where he's coming from. But what's interesting is the things, the point was, "Oh, you guys

00:02:21   are selling Force Touch on OS X short, look at all these things it does." And we can go

00:02:26   through them, but I think I actually mentioned all of these, but we can get into that. Do

00:02:31   you want to go through the list here with me?

00:02:34   David: Yeah, I want to mention a couple of these because I pulled out some that I thought

00:02:37   were quite interesting. So, for example, you can force touch a document name to rename

00:02:43   it.

00:02:44   >> Right. Right. Right. I mean, you can also just click on it for like a second and let

00:02:49   go and the rename box will appear or you can press return, which is what I do. I find that

00:02:53   a lot of my mouse gestures that I think of as mouse gestures are actually mouse and keyboard

00:02:58   gestures. And, you know, it's nice that you can do that entirely with a mouse, although

00:03:02   then you have to type the name. So your fingers are on the keyboard anyway. But you can't

00:03:07   can do that and I did not know that that one forced open the rename in the finder immediately.

00:03:13   I didn't realize that it did that. So that is a nice little tip. I don't notice that

00:03:18   because like I said I'm selecting and hitting return and that's muscle memory from a long

00:03:24   time ago. But that's a good one.

00:03:25   >> You can quit local document by just pushing down into it. Although I have found in test

00:03:31   testing and planning around it today when you use column view like I do what you end

00:03:36   up mostly doing is activating the renaming of the file name.

00:03:40   Yeah, right, because it's different whether you force touch on the name or on the icon.

00:03:46   Yeah, and obviously the majority of the clickable area is the name of the file.

00:03:52   In that view, yeah.

00:03:53   But it is possible if you don't click in there, but you can do that, so.

00:03:56   And that one is one of those that I roll my eyes at a little bit, because again, for me,

00:04:00   you can do that or you can just press the space bar, which, yeah, it's just a little

00:04:05   different gesture to click and then tap a key versus not, but fair point.

00:04:11   So you can do a type of peak as well, so like you have peak and pop on iOS, so if you force

00:04:16   touch on a link in any WebKit view, so Slack for example counts as this, it kind of shows

00:04:22   you a preview of the web page.

00:04:25   And this is in the category of most of the ones that Abhi mentioned, which is what I

00:04:28   referred to last week as the three-finger click shortcut.

00:04:32   Apple at some point added this three-finger click, which is basically like a bunch of

00:04:37   extra stuff that isn't in a control click, and they wanted another gesture for it.

00:04:43   And so on systems that don't have a Force Touch trackpad and have a trackpad, it's the

00:04:49   three-finger click.

00:04:50   So that web page preview is the repurposed three-finger click that I mentioned last week.

00:04:56   On a word, you get the dictionary definition on an address.

00:05:00   with the Apple Data Detectors technology that's got like an address will show maps, that's

00:05:05   all coming from that same thing that's the it's the repurposed three-finger click gesture.

00:05:11   So this is the thing right so there is some stuff here but I think this is where the problem

00:05:15   lies in that on iOS a lot of the stuff that is behind Force Touch is stuff we couldn't

00:05:21   get to before stuff that was created is stuff that didn't exist but on OS X it is more of

00:05:28   a repurposing of features that are already there and are already perfectly accessible

00:05:32   using the tools that currently exist.

00:05:35   So I think you end up with two issues.

00:05:37   One, I'm not going to do most of these because my muscle memory is in the other way of doing

00:05:42   things.

00:05:45   And the other is, it's not very exciting because it's not enhancing functionality in any way,

00:05:49   it's just giving me a different way to trigger certain functionality.

00:05:54   >> Yeah, also this goes back to, again, we did talk about this yesterday, or last week,

00:05:59   but it's follow-up. This is the challenge that on the iPhone, what you're talking about

00:06:05   is secondary. It's a secondary form of input. And here we already have the keyboard and

00:06:10   we have a right click. I mean, there's so many things that have already been wired in.

00:06:14   And I think the most important thing is that we already have a secondary click. And it's

00:06:18   the right click or control click or I do it all two-finger click now because I've been

00:06:22   using the trackpad for so long. So that means that all this other stuff, you know, Apple

00:06:27   did come up with some of these features and you see them, and these are the ones that

00:06:30   Avi mentioned, a lot of them, in this three-finger click thing that they created or tap, but

00:06:40   they are all, it's just kind of a collection of extra stuff because the main thing is you

00:06:46   get a contextual menu with all the most important things when you do your secondary click. So

00:06:51   So this is this tertiary click that--I don't know, this is what I was trying to say last

00:06:56   week and if I wasn't as clear, then just to restate it a little bit, the challenge on

00:07:00   the Mac is finding what is the unifying principle of what a force touch, a force click does

00:07:08   on the Mac, and have it available and have it be understandable and unified and the challenge

00:07:15   there is that you also have a right click and that you can't count on force click being

00:07:20   a thing. So I just think it's a work in progress. But while there are these things that have

00:07:25   been around for a while for this third click that Apple kind of introduced for the trackpad

00:07:30   a few years ago, the challenge is that it's kind of all over the place. So that's my frustration

00:07:36   here is that I'm not sure there's--I don't want to say that it's easy, because it's not.

00:07:40   It was much easier in that way to put it in iOS, because iOS could really use a second

00:07:45   kind of interaction there. On the Mac, we've already got an alternate click and we've already

00:07:51   got keyboard shortcuts. So, you know, it's not an easy problem to solve, but I've never

00:07:59   thought that the three finger shortcut stuff made was really unified in any way and it

00:08:03   seemed to only be limited to a few features.

00:08:06   >> I just realized something. We were complaining and bemoaning the naming issue, 3D touch and

00:08:13   Force Touch. It's actually three names, right? Force Touch, Force Click, and 3D Touch.

00:08:18   Well, Force Click isn't—that's just a thing you do in a Force Touch trackpad, right? I

00:08:26   think Force Touch is still the feature name, and then there's an action name, which is

00:08:30   the Force Click. It's confusing, because I was—we were debating this when we were updating

00:08:35   my book about photos for Mac. We had a section in there about photos on iOS, and we're

00:08:43   debating what the verb is for when you when you 3d touch something. Are you 3d touching

00:08:48   it or are you using 3d touch to press on something as opposed to tap? It looks like in a lot

00:08:55   of Apple's documentation they actually do use the word press and it seems to be differentiated

00:09:00   from tap but it's weird. It's weird stuff. So there's a lot going on here like what's

00:09:06   the feature called, what's the verb that describes when you use it. It's all over the place.

00:09:12   still figuring it out I think all of us. Yeah I just got sent some breaking news

00:09:17   Jason Snow. Oh yeah. Google is bringing podcasts to play music. Well we've been

00:09:23   we've been talking about that for quite a while now that well there were lots of

00:09:27   rumors that they were working on on podcast stuff because they're they're

00:09:31   behind and I was telling somebody I think it might have even been at release

00:09:35   notes when we were talking about the the fears of a gatekeeper in in podcasting

00:09:41   thing, the idea that Apple built this thing, and I think all the stats show that iOS devices

00:09:47   are vastly more likely to listen to podcasts than Android devices. And one of the reasons

00:09:53   is that Apple's been pushing podcasting for quite a while. So very interesting, a little

00:09:58   real-time breaking news.

00:10:00   Something for us to look out for and deal with and change all of our processes.

00:10:06   Hooray!

00:10:07   hopefully not hopefully not too much right hopefully this is hopefully this

00:10:11   is just another like another directory which I think would be would be great

00:10:17   yeah that's what I hope it is and I hope that they are completely compliant of

00:10:21   all of the standards that everybody else is using because Apple don't ask you to

00:10:26   do anything specific in the feeds for example they're very good at that the

00:10:30   stuff you can do you can do extra things you don't need to do any of them so I

00:10:35   I hope that it remains to be that way. Yeah. We'll have to wait and see. So maybe we'll

00:10:40   follow up on that a little bit later. I wanted to do a few pieces of Back to the

00:10:44   Future follow-up. Alright. So we totally called the USA Today cover. So on

00:10:49   Thursday October 22nd, which made sense because it was the newspaper was the day

00:10:55   after the day that Marty and the doc went to, right? So they arrived on

00:10:59   October 21st 2015 but the newspaper was the next day's newspaper so on October

00:11:04   22nd 2015 in the real world USA Today did a wrap of their newspaper with the

00:11:10   front page of the USA Today from Back to the Future 2 and then on the back page

00:11:15   they had an ad for the 30th anniversary edition and also for the Michael J Fox

00:11:19   Foundation. I was luckily in the United States of America and I got one and I'm

00:11:23   very very happy that I have one because this is a really nice kind of little

00:11:27   memento of the movie. But I thought it was funny because we said they should do

00:11:30   this, it'd be great if they did this," and then they did it.

00:11:33   Yeah, that's cool. We called it. We were all at the release notes conference when this

00:11:42   day happened, which was kind of fun. You put some slides in your presentation, you were

00:11:45   giving the presentation that day, so that was a lot of fun too. Yeah, we did it. There

00:11:52   was a couple people were asking about the mic at the movies feed on the incomparable

00:11:56   and what the difference is, and I guess we should restate that, that again, the idea

00:12:00   is that we're not going to have new stuff in that feed. That feeds just going to be

00:12:03   the excerpts about movies from relay shows where you're talking with me and Casey and

00:12:08   who knows who else if ever about about movies and they'll they'll all get excerpted later

00:12:13   over 30 days later at the mic at the movies feed at the incomparable but it's not meant

00:12:18   to be like a new podcast where you watch a movie every week it's it's literally like

00:12:22   a place you can go if you just want to listen and I've heard from people who said oh yeah

00:12:25   I just listen to this one because I think sometimes you miss you miss it or you're listening

00:12:30   to a tech podcast and then you get 90 minutes in and they start talking about a movie and

00:12:33   you're like, yeah, well, I don't have time to listen to this right now. So having it

00:12:36   as another place you can go on demand or you know, not digging back into our archives where

00:12:42   we're talking about news from a year ago.

00:12:44   And talking about the incomparable on the way home on the plane. I listened to episode

00:12:49   41 where you all discussed it was that you Dan Morin Dan Morin Dan Frakes Lex and Serenity

00:13:00   yeah you spoke you did like an episode about all three which is quite funny back to the

00:13:05   future movies so still early on in the incomparable when you did three movies in one episode and

00:13:12   I really enjoyed listening to it but the thing that I found the funniest about it all was

00:13:17   your opinions were the same, to the point that you even said, I can't remember what

00:13:21   it was, but you said some of the same stuff.

00:13:23   Which is just fantastic, right?

00:13:25   That your opinion maintained all this stuff.

00:13:27   My opinion hasn't changed in the last four years, no.

00:13:31   And it just really made me smile, but it's a great episode, and I enjoyed it very much,

00:13:35   and it was fun to hear everybody talk about this stuff.

00:13:38   I assume that you experience this when you're editing podcasts, that you're listening to

00:13:42   the conversation, and you have this thought of what you think about what was just said,

00:13:46   and then you hear your own voice on the podcast say exactly that. That happens to me all the

00:13:52   time where I laugh and I hear myself laughing the same laugh at the same time as I'm playing

00:13:57   it back because I've responded to that statement in exactly the same way. Just, you know, I

00:14:03   did it four days ago and I did it again when I played it back. It's funny. Weird.

00:14:08   Yeah. And talking about things that I did on the plane back to the future related, I'm

00:14:15   like 15 minutes away from finishing I need to finish it a fantastic

00:14:18   documentary that I backed on Kickstarter called Back in Time which is a documentary

00:14:22   about it's kind of interviews with the cast and creators of Back to the Future

00:14:27   in part one of the documentary it's like a two-part documentary but it's all in

00:14:30   one part where they just split the two hours into two one hours or whatever and

00:14:35   then the other part is like about the fans of the movie and it's just

00:14:37   fantastic if you are a Back to the Future fan you should go and rent or buy

00:14:42   this this movie it was really really good and I enjoyed it immensely so I

00:14:47   double thumbs up on that one all right I have to check it out yeah you really

00:14:51   should it's fantastic it really really is fantastic and now it's it's out it's

00:14:54   you can rent it you can buy it and you just go to their website which is

00:14:58   backintimefilm.com and you'll see in there the secret cinema event they did

00:15:03   that I went to in London they shot some footage of that so you get to see what

00:15:08   that's like and they did a good job of capturing just how special a thing that

00:15:13   was. So I really thoroughly recommend it. It's an excellent watch.

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00:17:05   So Jason, in between our last episode and this episode, Star Wars tickets were released.

00:17:10   Oh yeah.

00:17:11   Did you buy any?

00:17:13   Uh, yes.

00:17:16   I did.

00:17:17   I actually, it's funny, I had to think about it because I didn't, when everybody was freaking

00:17:20   out about Star Wars tickets. Oh, they're on sale, they're on sale, I can't get them, the

00:17:26   site's crashed. I went and I put in our zip code and it brought me to a page that said,

00:17:35   well, it's playing in downtown San Francisco and it's playing in Emeryville and it's playing

00:17:39   in, I don't know, Daly City or something like that. Not where I live, just things that are

00:17:45   close-ish but not where I live. I was like, all right, well, something's going on here,

00:17:49   I'm not gonna go, you know, take my family into the city on a Thursday night to see a

00:17:54   movie that's not gonna happen. All the traffic, parking problems, things like that, it's not

00:17:58   gonna happen. The next morning I went back on the site just thinking, "Well, you never

00:18:03   know." I've seen that happen in the past where they add sort of other theaters later, and

00:18:08   sure enough the big single screen movie theater, reputed to be George Lucas's favorite movie

00:18:13   theater here in Marin County had been added and the Thursday at 7 p.m. show was available

00:18:21   and so I bought four tickets. So the family is going, my daughter has finals the next

00:18:26   day, I don't care. We're all gonna go. We'll be home by 930, it's fine. She'll get some

00:18:31   sleep if she's gonna need to do her studying before we go to the movie, that's what's gonna

00:18:35   have to happen. But yeah, we're gonna do it. So the way I figure it, I'm gonna see it on

00:18:40   the 17th, but because of time zones and many other reasons, you will be seeing it before

00:18:46   me.

00:18:47   >>ANDREW Yes, well, not only is it time zones, it is coming out a day earlier in the UK.

00:18:53   >>DAVID Right.

00:18:54   >>ANDREW And so I'm going to see it on 11.30am on the 17th.

00:18:57   >>DAVID Can you go see it on the night of the 16th?

00:19:00   Did you have that option and then you bypassed it?

00:19:02   >>ANDREW Yeah, we can go at midnight, but I don't want to do that because I don't need

00:19:06   to do that.

00:19:07   technically that's not the 16th and that's the 17th. And it comes out here in the United

00:19:12   States starting at 7pm on the 17th. So I think technically it comes out in both countries

00:19:17   on the 17th. Yeah, we're seeing it at 7pm on the night of the 17th.

00:19:20   So.

00:19:21   Maybe we can see, I'm going to find out if it's possible to buy tickets earlier.

00:19:25   Because the midnight showings have proven so popular that they've started showing them

00:19:29   earlier. So now you actually get most, for a lot of these wide releases that they expect

00:19:35   a lot of people to come and see they extend the weekend essentially to Thursday night

00:19:40   and that they actually put in two showings sometimes on Thursday night for these blockbusters

00:19:45   to extend the weekend through, you know, it's Thursday night and all day Friday, Saturday,

00:19:50   Sunday. So yeah, we're going at 7 p.m. on Thursday the 17th.

00:19:53   Well that's interesting. However, kind of the official release is the day earlier.

00:19:59   Is the 17th there and the 18th here, yeah. But it's a lie.

00:20:01   Well I will be seeing it at 11.30am on the 17th.

00:20:04   Yeah, well you'll have me beat by like a lot.

00:20:09   Yeah, many, many hours.

00:20:11   By like 14 hours or something like that.

00:20:13   So like I could see it earlier but like I'm not...

00:20:17   Yeah, so it starts with midnight showings here on the 17th.

00:20:21   That's when we get it.

00:20:22   So you can watch it at 0001 on Thursday the 17th.

00:20:26   It doesn't seem like that there's any showings on the 16th.

00:20:31   So my feeling is I want to see it at my local cinema so it doesn't take many hours out of

00:20:37   my day.

00:20:38   It's not the best cinema but it's fine.

00:20:40   And if I go at 11.30am on a Thursday afternoon or whatever day it is, Wednesday or Thursday

00:20:45   afternoon, there's not going to be anybody else in the cinema, right?

00:20:50   Or there'll be very very few people.

00:20:52   So I'm just going to go and I'm going to see it and then I'm going to be happy.

00:20:56   So that's what I'm going.

00:20:57   11.30am on 17th and I'm going at that time in the morning because I want the maximum

00:21:02   amount of time to gloat online that I've seen the movie without having to watch it at midnight.

00:21:09   Because if I watch it at midnight I might be tired when I'm watching it and I really

00:21:12   want to be like engrossed. And I've already booked my second viewing because the dinner

00:21:17   is going to be away, she's going to be back home and when she comes home from Romania

00:21:23   it for Christmas, we're gonna go see it together on New Year's Day.

00:21:28   Wow, you have planned ahead.

00:21:31   Well, she wants to see it, and I figure I might as well book tickets, because I have

00:21:35   no idea how busy it's gonna be, right?

00:21:37   Like, it could really pick up.

00:21:39   It's just funny that you've bought tickets for a movie that doesn't--a showing of a movie

00:21:43   that's not for more than two months.

00:21:46   But you know, I have tickets for December as well.

00:21:50   Mid-December, and it's not yet November.

00:21:52   So it's pretty crazy. What a world we live in.

00:21:54   Yes, it is funny when you think that I've already bought tickets for a movie in 2016.

00:22:00   Right?

00:22:01   Yeah. You might have a problem.

00:22:04   Yep. The problem is love, Jason.

00:22:07   Talking about love, I have a new computer.

00:22:12   Yes. It's time.

00:22:15   It is time to talk about my iMac. As my Mac Pro sits here, very sad.

00:22:21   So I set it up on Sunday. I started the setup process when I got home from

00:22:29   Indianapolis because I figured I might as well just do it. So I was doing a

00:22:35   migration. I did migration assistant. I did it by Thunderbolt which is fantastic.

00:22:42   Absolutely fantastic. It migrated like I don't know like half a terabyte or

00:22:47   something in about 45 minutes. But I have to say though, I have to say, this is my

00:22:56   my current bugbear at the moment is Apple setup processes and I have another

00:23:02   problem here Jason. The majority of apps that I downloaded from the App Store

00:23:07   when I tried to launch them I was told they were damaged and had to be

00:23:11   redownloaded. Oh yeah that's that same thing. Yep and you know what you have to

00:23:16   do you have to delete the app put in your password because drag it to the

00:23:20   trash put in your password and then redownload it but it doesn't tell you

00:23:23   that right it just says damage redownload from the App Store so you go

00:23:27   to the App Store and you can't redownload it just says open right

00:23:30   because it's already installed so it's like another thing where it's like this

00:23:34   is another problem that shouldn't happen and Apple don't give you any kind of

00:23:37   guidance as to how you need to fix the issue so I had to just delete I've been

00:23:41   I've been doing this over the last couple of days because as I'm launching

00:23:44   apps right like oh it's damaged it's like great so delete this one put in my

00:23:48   password to delete it go to the App Store redownload it it

00:23:51   maintains all of my settings and stuff which is interesting I'm not really sure

00:23:54   how that's happening right if I delete the app shouldn't everything go with it

00:23:57   but I don't want to think about that so but that's just an annoyance I've had so

00:24:03   that is basically the only annoyance that I have with this machine and it's

00:24:08   more an OS it's definitely an OS X problem it's not a it's not an issue

00:24:12   with the iMac. The screen is incredible. So you know I've been

00:24:20   using retina machines for a while so the retina doesn't blow me away right

00:24:25   because I know what that's like. Right but it's a lot a lot of retina though

00:24:30   it's a whole lot of retina. That's what I love about it. So it's the resolution so

00:24:36   So I have it on the one up from best or no.

00:24:44   I have it, so you know, if you've got five settings isn't there?

00:24:47   Yeah, yes.

00:24:48   If you choose scaled, there's the default setting which is not scaled.

00:24:52   And then there's two larger text settings and two more space settings.

00:24:57   Yep.

00:24:58   So I have it on the, in the middle between default and more space.

00:25:02   Right.

00:25:03   looks like 2880 by 1620, it says.

00:25:06   Yeah, we'll go with that.

00:25:10   That is one of the two settings I use. Sometimes I use that setting, most of the time I stay

00:25:14   with the default, but sometimes I feel like I have too much going on and I want a little

00:25:19   more space.

00:25:20   Why do you go with default?

00:25:24   Because I'm 45 years old and having everything be a little bit smaller has its disadvantages.

00:25:30   Yep, I get that.

00:25:32   And because on a 27 inch computer, I don't often feel like I need more space. Also, a

00:25:39   lot of what I'm doing, you know, is writing things. Those are little windows with text

00:25:43   in them. They don't need to be, you know, I don't need huge amounts of space for stuff

00:25:49   like that. So, you know, I go back and forth, but I find myself just staying with the defaults

00:25:54   a lot, mostly because I don't feel like I need more space most of the time.

00:25:59   So in the chat room, Skeeman has asked about the specs. I thought I'd just run over quickly what I did get.

00:26:04   So, a 27 inch Retina 5K iMac with a 4 gigahertz Intel Core i7, 16 gigabytes of RAM and a 1 terabyte SSD.

00:26:17   I'll just run over that again. Very happy with that.

00:26:24   One of the things that I've noticed with the screen which is fantastic is how great it makes split-screen mode

00:26:30   because you could just have because the apps are just

00:26:34   So large right in full screen

00:26:37   But it was actually with the setting I have you put them into split-screen and you can see so much of the content, right?

00:26:43   Which is fantastic and that also in a funny way has made me excited for the iPad Pro

00:26:51   Because I can see the benefit of like two basically full screen applications side by side

00:26:57   Because I always felt like with my Mac Pro and also on my retina MacBook

00:27:02   That I could use apps side by side, but they were always felt constrained in some way

00:27:08   But on this machine it they do not feel constrained in any way

00:27:12   I feel like I have two full-size apps side by side, which is great

00:27:15   Yeah, I I don't know sometimes

00:27:19   sometimes there are certain cases where I feel like it's good, but most of the time

00:27:24   I feel like the screen is so big that I don't need to go into split view, because first

00:27:30   off I could probably have more than two windows open. Like, it's such a big screen that two

00:27:34   windows open at once isn't--that's sort of like too much even then that you really need

00:27:39   to subdivide it further, and most of the ways I work I've got more than two things open.

00:27:43   occasionally I'll find a really good use for it, but I feel like it's, for me, I'm more

00:27:49   likely to do it on a small screen because two things side by side on an 11-inch MacBook

00:27:55   Air makes sense, and when I have two things side by side on my Retina iMac, I think I

00:28:02   could have more things here. That makes sense to me.

00:28:06   Yeah. I mean, I use full screen though, right? Like I am a full screen person.

00:28:10   Yeah.

00:28:11   So that's why this makes more sense to me. So like I have

00:28:12   It does make more sense than full screen on the 27 inch.

00:28:17   So I have Chrome in full screen constantly right?

00:28:20   And if I'm filling in maybe a Google doc or something or when I was doing our show notes

00:28:23   today I put notes on the right side where I'd been taking some notes and then I had

00:28:28   Chrome on the left side and I was just copying and pasting in some things.

00:28:32   I am one of the full screen people.

00:28:35   I like to have things in full screen.

00:28:36   I have a lot less in full screen, pretty much the only app that is always, well I have two

00:28:40   apps always in full screen, Google Chrome and iTunes, and I will sometimes throw

00:28:46   something else into full screen. But since I started using the Mac Pro

00:28:51   with the 25-inch monitor, I started to put less into full screen than before. So

00:28:56   like I have two desktops, one which is my audio desktop, which has all the

00:29:00   recording stuff and where I edit, and I have my kind of work desktop which has

00:29:04   all of my other apps in. But I do like to use full screen, like for example when I

00:29:08   was working on my presentation keynote was in full screen. When I'm in an

00:29:13   app like that I do quite like it. The speakers are fantastic. Coming from

00:29:20   the Mac Pro which is like it basically feels like it has like an iPhone speaker

00:29:25   in it. Like the Mac Pro speakers are horrific, the internal ones. They are

00:29:30   really quiet, they sound terrible. Obviously with the Mac Pro not being

00:29:35   directly in front of you it always sounds like it's to the side right or

00:29:39   like underneath depending wherever you put the Mac Pro right because it's not

00:29:42   the screen the speakers always gonna sound like the sounds always coming from

00:29:46   wherever the speaker is which is usually not right in front of you and I know

00:29:49   that a lot of people plug their computers into other speakers but I

00:29:53   don't have that and don't really want that so but the speaker on this thing is

00:29:59   incredibly loud and it sounds really really good and I'm very very happy

00:30:03   about that. One, something that I also really like that probably nobody cares

00:30:08   about, the power button is way easier to reach, it feels good to click. I do shut

00:30:13   my Mac down every day. Yeah me too. That'd be crazy. Yeah I don't know why people, I

00:30:20   know a lot of people do that, like just leave them sleeping or whatever, but I

00:30:23   don't like to do it, I just like to turn it off, just turn it off. And it feels good,

00:30:27   it starts up really fast. It doesn't even matter, it really doesn't

00:30:31   matter to me. And I just think, just turn it off. I don't need it to be on, because

00:30:35   if it's on, the USB pre is on, and I don't like to leave that on.

00:30:39   I agree. Exactly right.

00:30:40   I really don't want that on.

00:30:41   Yeah, I don't want the USB interface on, I don't want my thunderbolt hub on, I don't

00:30:47   want anything on. I want it off when it's off. And it's a nice feeling when I shut it

00:30:50   down and everything kind of goes out and I'm like, I'm done, and I walk away. And if I

00:30:54   need to come back, because I forgot something, oh no, I have to wait 20 seconds for it to

00:30:59   up I mean it's almost no time at all so so yeah so I I start my day by pressing

00:31:03   that that button along the back of a of the iMac too and it is it is satisfying

00:31:08   so because on the Mac Pro it's in an awkward position around the back of the

00:31:13   little cylinder thing and the click isn't very nice but on the iMac because

00:31:17   the iMac so thin it's really easy to get to there and as it's really nice the

00:31:21   button is just very nice a very nice button it's very satisfying to click it

00:31:25   I won't do it now because it would turn my Mac off.

00:31:27   Yeah.

00:31:27   But...

00:31:28   Don't do it.

00:31:28   It's good.

00:31:29   Um...

00:31:30   Okay, so this might just be a placebo thing, but this feels faster than my Mac Pro.

00:31:36   Now on paper it should be, because the processor is more powerful.

00:31:40   Um...

00:31:41   But it might just be one of those things where I'm like, "New computers quick! Hooray!"

00:31:45   But...

00:31:46   However you slice it, the machine that I have sitting in front of me is a monster.

00:31:51   Like, it's fantastic.

00:31:52   It's really powerful.

00:31:54   It is of course the most powerful machine that I've ever owned.

00:31:58   And it feels that way.

00:32:00   And I am very happy because the work that I do, there are bottlenecks.

00:32:04   And this is the same with anybody that creates the type of stuff that we create.

00:32:10   There are always bottlenecks, like bouncing or exporting and stuff like that.

00:32:14   And this machine, it helps me edit podcasts quicker, it helps me reduce all of those loading

00:32:20   times.

00:32:21   not, you know, all of these things are like, you know, "Oh, what am I saving? Like, 10

00:32:25   minutes or something? 5 minutes? A couple of minutes? 20 seconds? 10 seconds?" But it

00:32:29   doesn't matter because in the aggregate this stuff adds up. And when I'm, you know,

00:32:33   like, today I will be editing three podcasts in total. So all of that time

00:32:39   saving is beneficial to me, and I like to have that, and I feel like I get that

00:32:43   from this machine as well. Yeah, I think that most tests will indicate that the

00:32:49   Mac Pro is still going to beat it for, you know, really threaded multi-core kind of tasks,

00:32:55   but for a whole lot of tasks that aren't aggressively throwing threads out onto all of those processor

00:33:04   cores.

00:33:07   I share your feelings.

00:33:08   I was coming from a MacBook Air, so like you, I was coming from a device that had an SSD,

00:33:14   so that wasn't it.

00:33:15   SSD you've got the new, you know, whatever it is, two and a half times higher bandwidth

00:33:20   SSD on top of it. So yeah, it should feel fast. It's not as dramatic as going from like

00:33:27   a spinning hard drive to an SSD, but still, it's a good thing. You're all SSD, is that

00:33:32   right?

00:33:33   >> Yeah, 100%. So it was expensive because I bought the terabyte, but I don't currently

00:33:40   have like an external storage solution, which I feel like I should get, but...

00:33:44   Yeah, I have one of those.

00:33:46   Yeah, do you have a Drobo?

00:33:48   I have a Drobo, yeah, and I have a half a terabyte of SSD.

00:33:52   What do you think about the Drobo?

00:33:53   Because I have some people tell me to go Synology, some people tell me to go Drobo,

00:33:59   and I'm not sure.

00:33:59   So I don't think I have an official, like, an official recommendation about any of that,

00:34:04   and we can talk about this on another show.

00:34:06   Boy, that worked wonders for the ATP guys.

00:34:07   guys. They talked about Synology and Drobo for like 80 episodes. It varies based on your

00:34:14   needs. I have also heard people say that they love Drobo and people who've had a lot of

00:34:18   problems with it. I've had it for a year and had no problems with it at all. I do back

00:34:24   it up, but it's also got the redundancy on its own hard drives. So theoretically, if

00:34:29   one of the mechanisms fails, I can just pop it out and put in a new one. And I like that.

00:34:34   Mine is a Thunderbolt Drobo.

00:34:37   It's actually attached to my Mac Mini, so it's not a NAS.

00:34:41   It's just an external drive on my Mac Mini that runs.

00:34:44   That runs all the time, and that's my server.

00:34:45   And I have a server that runs all the time, so it works for me.

00:34:48   Whereas for some people, it makes more sense to have something that's a network-attached

00:34:51   device that's just a huge disk.

00:34:54   But I've got it, you know, it's on gigabit Ethernet here in my house.

00:34:57   So I'm moving just today.

00:34:58   I posted episode six of the "Incomparable Radio Theater," and that was a project, episode

00:35:03   four and six because it's the same cast, we're one big project, and it was kind of nice to

00:35:06   be able to move that off of my iMac and to the Drobo, and it was, whatever it was, copying,

00:35:15   I don't know, 20 gigabytes of data. I mean, it was a lot of data, a lot of data, and to

00:35:20   see it kind of just move off of my drive via gigabit Ethernet to a server where it will

00:35:25   live and be backed up and has some redundancy is kind of nice. And then I keep my workspace,

00:35:32   see how much I've got like 40 gigs free right now on my on my iMac itself for

00:35:36   local stuff so I I shuttle things back and forth sort of as I'm working on them

00:35:39   but I'm very unless I'm encoding video I very rarely get to the point where I run

00:35:43   out of space but I know it's it's really nice to have a big server somewhere

00:35:48   where you can dump your files when you're done with them yeah no I just

00:35:52   haven't decided on a solution yet yeah no it's it's a tough one I feel like

00:35:55   it's I feel like it's kind of shifting and people have said for a while now

00:35:59   that it wouldn't be nice if there was a more consumer-friendly kind of server idea. And

00:36:03   I think everybody decided that it wasn't worth it because internet connections are getting

00:36:08   faster and cloud storage is cheap. And so people are sort of assuming that like in the

00:36:14   next five or 10 years, you won't need to worry about it. The problem is that's five or 10

00:36:19   years away and people who have connectivity issues, which you do, you don't have a super

00:36:23   fast internet connection. You want to have storage locally. And so since there's no,

00:36:29   you know, the investment here has been a lot less than you might expect given that there

00:36:32   is probably an easier way to solve this. But there are products out there. And you know,

00:36:37   I do recommend you getting something, whether it's a NAS like the Synology or Drobo makes

00:36:44   a NAS version or whether it's something like a, you know, a big attached storage device

00:36:50   of some kind. I don't know, there are lots of the-- I agree with you, I ended up with

00:36:53   the Drobo through a chain of circumstances that you know but it fit my

00:36:58   it fit my needs but I am happy that I've got this giant like 20 terabytes or

00:37:03   whatever it is 15 terabytes of data sitting across the room for me. That's

00:37:08   nice. That's a good feeling. Yeah, I'll say I just it's one of those things I

00:37:12   just don't know what to do. I mean as well like it's fine at the moment like I

00:37:16   don't mind kind of trashing logic files after a couple of months when they're in

00:37:22   the shows that are topical so they're out of date right like we're never gonna

00:37:27   go back and do them again but like yeah I've got 105 gigabytes of clockwise

00:37:30   episodes that I could trash and you don't need to be fine yeah I don't think

00:37:34   the mp3 files live in multiple places I have backups of those but not the logic

00:37:38   files but shows where the content is more evergreen I do keep the logic files

00:37:45   files. It's like, for example, Cortex, I have all of those. I have the inquisitive ones

00:37:50   and stuff like that, like I keep those. But like this show, we don't really need it after

00:37:56   a couple... Like I do it every, like maybe every quarter, I kind of bin the previous.

00:38:01   So like after a few months, if I'm not needed, I probably won't need it again. And I'm sure

00:38:04   someday that will come back to bite me, but right now that's provided to be fine.

00:38:10   Yeah.

00:38:11   Oh, I wanted to mention before we move on, since we're talking about SSDs and devices

00:38:15   and things like that, I wanted to mention, so my mother had a mid-2009 MacBook Pro, and

00:38:22   I used this for some of my device testing last week.

00:38:24   And I realized that what I need to do is get rid of it.

00:38:30   So what I did was I actually bought an SSD and more RAM and eight gigs of RAM and opened

00:38:38   ended up last week and what was amazing is this six-year-old computer felt just unusable

00:38:47   even even a year or two ago when my mom was still using it and she switched to an iPad.

00:38:52   It was just so slow and awful and it thought occurred to me when I was reviewing that 4k

00:38:56   iMac which has the spinning hard drive and I thought spinning hard drive is the problem

00:39:00   so I replaced that in this 2009 mid-2009 13-inch MacBook Pro and it's great now I mean it's

00:39:07   It's never going to be the same as a cutting-edge MacBook Pro that you'd buy today, but for

00:39:12   120 bucks maybe, 110 bucks, I put in the SSD and now it's running El Capitan and it's got

00:39:21   8 gigs of RAM and it's actually pretty great.

00:39:24   So now I'm going to sell it to somebody because I think it would be a--I didn't want to sell

00:39:28   somebody my mother's old slow awful computer but by replacing the disk and adding more

00:39:32   them. It's a perfectly serviceable, cheap computer even though it's five years old,

00:39:39   six years old. So that's a little story. Yeah. Bottom line, on modern computers, the disk

00:39:46   is the thing that is going to kill you. The disk is, you got to, that's, just don't buy

00:39:51   a spinning disk if you can help it. And if you have to buy a spinning disk, buy a fusion

00:39:55   drive. But yeah, it's just, they're so slow. Even the fast ones are slow. And in an iMac

00:40:01   or a laptop, it's usually not the fast one.

00:40:03   Yeah, and it's weird how we made such, or Intel, not we, there was nothing to do with

00:40:10   it, made such massive jumps in processor technology, right, with all the core stuff, and it really,

00:40:18   it became quite a thing, and we made massive jumps and continued to make massive jumps.

00:40:25   this stuff, like the storage stuff, really it didn't kind of like go

00:40:32   along with it, you know? SSDs are fantastic but I bet there's still a

00:40:36   bottleneck. But you know if you're still looking at computers today that are

00:40:42   being sold new with hard disks in them, that's a problem. As we have many

00:40:49   other people have lamented in what I am dubbing the year of storage whoa with Apple.

00:40:58   Alright we'll take it.

00:40:59   If you think about the 16GB iPhones, the fact that the iPad Pro is 32 or 128, you've got

00:41:06   the Apple TV, like why is it in two different storage solutions, nobody understands which

00:41:11   one to buy, and then you have spinning disks in iMacs.

00:41:15   2015 is the year of storage problems.

00:41:19   Great uneasiness in storage-related issues for Apple this year.

00:41:25   All right, let's talk about these magic devices and my opinions on those.

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00:44:05   Magic devices. I bought all of them, right?

00:44:08   Mmm, magic.

00:44:10   I didn't even take the mouse out of the packaging.

00:44:13   I decided it's got nothing I need in it.

00:44:17   And...

00:44:18   Sounds about right. You could sell it.

00:44:20   Yeah, I could sell it. I'll keep it, right?

00:44:22   Because it's just there now. It's whatever.

00:44:24   It came with the device for as much as I'm concerned.

00:44:27   And mainly this is because I mentioned this.

00:44:31   I'm going through some RSI problems right now.

00:44:33   I'm switching around inputs and stuff like that and I know that the Magic Mouse

00:44:38   is not going to be helpful in this scenario because it is not built for

00:44:41   ergonomics, it is built for beauty. So I don't need to use it. I have a Magic

00:44:47   Mouse that I use on my laptop when I'm on the road because it's nice and small

00:44:50   and I get to use you know the gestures and stuff. So because I mean see for a

00:44:56   trackpad, I mean trackpad is terrible, the mouse is pretty much just as bad so I

00:45:00   just can kind of flick between them with different hands right so that's fine but

00:45:03   I don't use that too much so I needed two keyboards right because I was doing

00:45:10   moving documents with the migration assistant stuff from one machine to the

00:45:13   other so great I had the new keyboard and I remember what Jason told me to do

00:45:17   I just plugged it in right yep and it paired bingo excellent didn't need to go

00:45:22   through the rubbish with it even in like the setup screens plugged it in plugged

00:45:25   it in? Done. I do not like that keyboard at all. I really really don't like it.

00:45:32   It's very pretty. I love the way it looks. But that key travel I cannot abide. It

00:45:39   feels worse to me than my MacBook Pro keyboard and I mentioned this to Steve

00:45:44   when I connected. It is. I know it is. Worse, just because the travel is

00:45:50   different doesn't mean it's worse, right? It depends on where you come from. I find

00:45:54   it worse. It is different, it's shallower, but I don't like it at all. Steven prefers

00:46:00   it to his MacBook. Interesting. Because he's saying he likes the stability of the keys.

00:46:06   People have opinions. Yeah, I mean because the keys aren't stable, I could feel that,

00:46:10   but I felt like they weren't going anywhere. And I used the Microsoft Sculpt ergonomic

00:46:16   keyboard. So it's very different. I mean I started using it for a moment, I was like

00:46:20   this is just going to set my hands on fire, like to use this thing. Because again, not

00:46:24   built for economics. But the key travel, I don't know what it is, but the key travel

00:46:29   is quite deep on the Microsoft keyboard that I use. So I couldn't use it. But I tried it

00:46:38   and it's very nice to look at, okay? But it's just not for me.

00:46:43   Well, and there is nothing more personal than an input device, and especially a keyboard.

00:46:49   There is no one right answer for what the best keyboard is. That's the funny thing is

00:46:53   we have like all the jokes about Marco Arment and the MacBook, the adjective-less MacBook

00:46:59   being having a bad keyboard and I don't like that keyboard either, but some people like

00:47:05   it and that's fine because people's bodies are different and the needs that they've got

00:47:09   for their devices are different and there is, you know, we don't live in a world where

00:47:14   there's only one kind of keyboard to get and there's a reason for that and it's not because

00:47:17   some people are wrong, it's because different keyboards work for different people.

00:47:21   >>Yeah, they do.

00:47:23   >>I'm still using it, although I'm gonna go back to my Logitech Easy Switch keyboard and

00:47:29   try that and see how I like that and sort of do the reverse thing and see if I notice

00:47:36   what's different going back to the one that I was using before I was using the Magic Keyboard,

00:47:41   just to see.

00:47:42   >>Yeah, I mean, I don't think I'm a good litmus test for this because I use a specific keyboard

00:47:47   for a specific reason that the Magic keyboard is not built for. I have kept

00:47:55   the Magic trackpad around though. I like the size and feel of it. I think it

00:48:02   actually does look nicer than I expected. I still wish it was black to match the

00:48:06   iMac. But it is good-looking. I like the the form factor that it kind of

00:48:14   mirrors the IMAX screen like size right so it's not a square it is a

00:48:20   rectangle which makes sense for mapping you know even though I know that it's

00:48:25   like inertial and momentum based so you don't it's not directly mapped anyway

00:48:29   but it just makes sense in my brain. Well you're moving around a wider an area

00:48:34   that's wider than it is tall so your pointing device is wider than it is tall

00:48:37   yeah which makes sense basically makes sense yeah. I am still having the issue

00:48:43   with missed clicks. Now sometimes like if I'm clicking and dragging something, I do

00:48:52   something maybe I don't press hard enough and it loses it. I've noticed this

00:48:56   a couple of times moving documents around and moving logic around and

00:48:58   things around in logic. Now maybe I'm more sensitive to this than other people,

00:49:03   maybe I don't do a good enough job of clicking, but the thing was the old

00:49:06   trackpad I never missed it because it was physical. So as long as I was keeping

00:49:11   the pressure down it worked for me. Sometimes what I found is like maybe

00:49:16   there's been a slight variation in the pressure and the trackpad believes that

00:49:20   I've taken my that I've intended to stop this click and begin a new one. That's

00:49:25   what I think is going on here. I never missed the old one right

00:49:30   because I could like press down with my thumb and move with my finger and it was

00:49:36   fine but there's something going on maybe like I'm pressing down my thumb

00:49:39   and then pressing down too hard with my finger at a certain point and it's

00:49:43   registering a new click but the physical trackpad on my MacBook Pro and on my

00:49:47   well I used the previous magic trackpad I never had and this was never an issue

00:49:51   like I never noticed myself doing something that was unintended when

00:49:56   moving stuff around you know like that was never a thing before but this is the

00:50:01   thing that I am seeing and I need to pay more attention to work out what I think

00:50:06   think it's doing but basically my feeling of it is it's because it is not

00:50:10   physical there is software or there is something that is trying to understand

00:50:14   what I'm doing and it's when you take away that physical element it will in my

00:50:19   opinion it will never be right a hundred percent of time because it's doing more

00:50:22   judgment of the movement that I'm making rather than the movement I'm attempting

00:50:27   to make. What I have noticed though is using my MacBook Pro trackpad is now

00:50:35   less satisfying because I can't click anywhere I want. And I found that really interesting.

00:50:42   Huh. You mean like the diving board thing where you can't click higher up?

00:50:47   Yeah. So like it's not as easy to click in the top part, naturally, as it is in the bottom

00:50:54   part, but that's not an issue on the Magic Trackpad, too. And click anywhere I like,

00:50:59   right? And it registers just as nicely. So that is an interesting feeling.

00:51:04   clicking is entirely done with my thumb so it's always at the bottom. Well that's

00:51:10   how I always was but it's funny how in just a day or two it's changed that and

00:51:14   then I used my MacBook Pro and was like oh I can't do that now.

00:51:17   So found that very interesting to see. It is hilarious to me that it makes

00:51:23   that clicking sound. And I did turn the clicking off but it still clicks

00:51:28   anyway so I just left it on. It makes that vibration and the vibration makes a

00:51:34   noise. It's just not the higher frequency click thing that they have a little speaker

00:51:39   in there to fake for you.

00:51:40   >> I think it's hilarious. I find it more, I encourage anybody that has one to turn the

00:51:46   click off in system preferences so you can just hear the difference. It's funny to me.

00:51:51   It sounds like an artificial click. It is a funny sounding click and I like that. And

00:51:55   I kind of like that it does it.

00:51:56   >> It's on the MacBook at least, I think has the same thing.

00:52:00   >> Yeah, it would do. I assume that it would do.

00:52:02   I have silent clicking turned on which isn't entirely silent but since I'm doing podcasts

00:52:06   and things I figure the quieter the better so I have it turned off.

00:52:12   I really like that you can turn it off and it breaks your brain you know because it's

00:52:18   like it actually doesn't move.

00:52:20   And oh yeah when you when you flip the switch and turn it off it just it's no longer responsive

00:52:24   yeah.

00:52:25   And that's something that I like to demonstrate to people in my family right so like I said

00:52:29   to Adina like come here and click this and I turn it over click it now she's like oh

00:52:32   it's just a funny little thing right it's it's nice um but yeah I look all in all like

00:52:38   the magic trackpad is the winner for me uh because it actually does do some stuff to

00:52:44   improve on the last one in ways that are meaningful to me like the size of it is nicer yeah the

00:52:49   uh the overall package is nicer like it's I like how much lower it is to the desk um

00:52:55   and I can see there being some benefits with the force touch stuff eventually but as I say

00:53:03   the downside is removing the physical click I think does make the... it is less accurate

00:53:14   and I think that's just the nature of moving it and the way that they're moving it

00:53:19   but I do really like it but the other ones they're not for me. I can see that they are great for many

00:53:25   people they're just not for me and especially the mouse because it's like

00:53:28   all you've done is just make it rechargeable via a lightning cable so

00:53:33   what I may do is I actually may replace the one that I currently use I just

00:53:37   thought of doing that why don't I do that so I don't ever have to worry about

00:53:40   rechargeable batteries again it's like the one that I keep in my travel bag I'm

00:53:44   just gonna replace that so I'll just use the one because I always have a

00:53:47   lightning cable in that bag right right I'll do that but yeah so that's one

00:53:51   thing that I will do but aside from that it's not it's not massively useful for me

00:53:54   to use every day. Perfectly reasonable. Apple TV went on sale, as you very rightly have

00:54:03   written in a document, I don't care. I did order one. I did order one, I don't care about

00:54:08   it, but I ordered it so I won't be sitting here going "Jason, what does it do?" I want

00:54:14   to have one. That's a business expense. Yeah. But I really don't care. But I'm interested

00:54:21   in seeing if you do?

00:54:23   Yeah, well, I'm interested to see what it can do.

00:54:28   I placed my order.

00:54:29   I actually placed my order from the plane when I landed in Phoenix on the way back from

00:54:33   the conference.

00:54:34   I turned on the turn off airplane mode and it said on Twitter, "Oh, Apple TV orders are

00:54:43   starting now."

00:54:44   And I went to the Apple Store app and went, you know, boop, boop, boop, bought it.

00:54:48   just while we were taxiing to the gate. It was pretty funny, the world we live in. So

00:54:54   mine is coming early next week. I didn't pay extra for shipping. If they have them in stock

00:54:59   at the Apple store, I might go up there if I can get one early, but otherwise I'll check

00:55:04   it out next week and try it then. I got the smaller storage one because I don't--Apple

00:55:11   seems to struggle with this, right? And we mentioned it--you mentioned it earlier in

00:55:14   the year of Apple struggling with storage things, it's still really unclear about why

00:55:20   there's a big one and a small one. And Apple's response was sort of like, "Well, if you've

00:55:27   got lots of games, you might want to have the big one." And we may find out that there

00:55:31   are some very specific things that are better on the big one where people start to load

00:55:36   up on a lot of apps and they run out of storage space and they have to delete something, and

00:55:40   we may find that. But right now it's kind of unclear, and I was trying to explain to

00:55:43   to sort of regular people about why they're the two models

00:55:45   and how they vary.

00:55:46   And when I say, well, one of them has more storage

00:55:48   and they say, well, does it matter?

00:55:49   And I have to kind of shrug and go, I don't know.

00:55:51   It may not matter, but I bought the smaller one.

00:55:54   And we'll see.

00:55:56   - Yeah, I mean, I really hope that there isn't a clear reason

00:56:00   that one is better than the other

00:56:01   that Apple isn't telling us yet,

00:56:03   because that would super suck.

00:56:04   Because their reason is just like, maybe you want more games?

00:56:09   I don't know.

00:56:12   I'm struggling to be interested in this device from a user perspective.

00:56:19   Yeah, well, we'll see. We'll see what the deal is. I think apps will start to come out.

00:56:26   I did hear from somebody who was doing a... had a developer unit. I forget. I'm not going

00:56:32   to say who it was in case I did not talk to them on a podcast about it and it's not public,

00:56:38   But the point was that the developer unit, you could swap it in for your regular old

00:56:43   Apple TV, except for one problem, which is it didn't have any apps yet, right?

00:56:50   Because like testing an iOS device, it doesn't have apps other than Apple's apps, which means

00:56:54   that the old Apple TV came with YouTube at one point and Netflix, right?

00:57:01   And the new one doesn't.

00:57:02   The new one doesn't come with Netflix.

00:57:04   You have to download the Netflix app, I believe, which is interesting.

00:57:09   And so that's going to be a change too, is that you need to actually go and download

00:57:13   the apps that you want to bring on board and use.

00:57:16   But we'll see how it is.

00:57:17   I'm looking forward to it.

00:57:18   It should be kind of fun, play with the Siri stuff.

00:57:24   But in the long run, I was telling somebody last week that my family that I was visiting,

00:57:28   they were asking what box we had and what about the new Apple TV.

00:57:33   I said, "Honestly, we don't use much of it because we use the TiVo and the TiVo has our

00:57:38   TiVo not only record stuff off of TV, but it streams YouTube and it streams Netflix

00:57:43   and Hulu and Amazon video." So I don't use my existing Apple TV very much and we'll see

00:57:50   if this changes that.

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01:01:45   Uh, Brant said, "Is AppleCare worth it for the new Apple TV?"

01:01:49   [imitates laser noises]

01:01:51   Do you buy AppleCare for things, Myke?

01:01:53   Uh, some things. I buy them for the phones because I could drop them and break them.

01:01:59   Um, and I buy them for bigger computer purchases because they're expensive to replace.

01:02:05   Maybe fixed, too.

01:02:06   So I have AppleCare on the iMac and I have AppleCare on my iPhone.

01:02:10   So what do you think for this?

01:02:12   I would say no for the Apple TV because it's relatively inexpensive to replace and it stays

01:02:17   stationary.

01:02:18   Yeah, you're not carrying it around. It's also small, it's not particularly heavy,

01:02:23   and yeah. And again, if it fails in the first whatever year or two, it's going to be covered

01:02:30   by the standard warranty, so if there are production problems or something, you're going

01:02:33   going to be covered regardless. I asked you that because I don't have AppleCare on anything.

01:02:38   At all. I'm a bad person to ask about this. No, not at all. Interesting. Because yeah, I kind of

01:02:44   follow one of those two things, right? So it's the idea of, it doesn't move around a lot, or is it

01:02:53   really expensive? And if one of those answers is yes, then I will probably get AppleCare.

01:02:59   Yeah, I'm an AppleCare Never. I don't know.

01:03:02   I mean, it probably works out better for you in the long run, because the money you've

01:03:05   saved on not buying AppleCare will do a replacement, where I've never taken anything in for a repair.

01:03:13   But when I'm... it's like the same with me buying all those devices. When I'm spending

01:03:18   a ridiculous amount of money on something, adding that price on usually isn't that much

01:03:23   of the overall percentage of the price, you know?

01:03:26   Mm-hmm.

01:03:27   spending 700 pounds on a phone, adding another like 99 on for the protection of it doesn't

01:03:33   seem too bad, you know?

01:03:35   >> Yeah, it's fine. I get it. I just, at this point, I feel like I'm way ahead. But yeah,

01:03:44   I've never had it. I don't know. If, you know, if I do the Apple, if I do that Apple phone

01:03:51   replacement thing, that would be the first time. If I do that plan, which I probably

01:03:55   probably won't, but if I did that, that would be the first time I'd had AppleCare.

01:03:58   You could say, "No, I don't want it! You take that away from me!"

01:04:02   That may be one of the reasons why I just buy the full-price phone instead of doing

01:04:06   their installment plan. It's like, "I'm not paying for your AppleCare! I want your AppleCare!

01:04:10   Get that AppleCare away from me! It's smelly!"

01:04:15   Jonathan tweeted at us and included a link to a YouTube video, which I will include in

01:04:20   the show notes, and Jonathan said, "I stayed up until 3am for this. Should the other person

01:04:25   Jonathan, why? I hope you had other things going on.

01:04:29   Me too. Should Apple Watch not animate back an hour more elegantly?

01:04:34   So what Jonathan I believe is in the UK and you guys just had your time change, we don't

01:04:38   have ours until this week.

01:04:39   Well somewhere, maybe in the UK, somewhere in Europe.

01:04:42   Okay somewhere in Europe, alright.

01:04:44   Or maybe another part of the world because America decided a few years ago that they

01:04:47   wanted to change, anyway.

01:04:51   For the trick-or-treaters, Myke, it's to keep the trick-or-treaters safe.

01:04:55   That is a... we're not gonna go down this.

01:04:58   That is actually the reason.

01:04:59   That is actually the reason.

01:05:01   Okay.

01:05:02   Okay, anyway.

01:05:05   I hate this, by the way.

01:05:06   Because right now we're a week off.

01:05:09   So you go in a week.

01:05:11   The worst one is on the other side of the year where it's three weeks of difference.

01:05:14   And it's everything goes later.

01:05:16   Everything is earlier for me now.

01:05:17   Anyway.

01:05:18   I'll complain about that in about six months time.

01:05:21   What happens is...

01:05:22   Like clockwork.

01:05:24   This isn't like clockwork, what happens on the Apple Watch.

01:05:27   It's like the opposite of clockwork.

01:05:30   So what happens is when the time changes, there's no animation, so it just goes from

01:05:35   three to two in like a flash.

01:05:37   If you have ever changed time zones, so you've maybe flown somewhere and seen what happens

01:05:41   to your Apple Watch, it's the same thing.

01:05:44   So when I got off the plane and my phone came back to life, there wasn't a delightful spinning

01:05:49   animation or anything like that where the watch finds its new time it just

01:05:53   goes and like just in a quick of a flash and then it's just the new time and I

01:05:57   really feel like they could animate it because the animation exists because the

01:06:00   animation happens when you go into the changing watch faces thing because it

01:06:05   always goes to that standard watch time of like what is it nine minutes past 10

01:06:10   and then when you put it back in again it all kind of just flows back you know

01:06:15   if all the hands move until it goes back to the correct time yeah you're right

01:06:18   But they don't do this for time zone changes.

01:06:22   And I really wish that they would.

01:06:24   - I agree with you.

01:06:24   It would be fun.

01:06:25   Maybe they could even do it where you actually see

01:06:27   the minute hand rotate all the way around.

01:06:31   Like an old time movie of like the passage of time.

01:06:35   (mimics music)

01:06:37   Right?

01:06:38   That would be fun. - I think that would be nice.

01:06:38   I don't know why you wouldn't do that.

01:06:40   I feel like you should just do that

01:06:43   because it's one of those things.

01:06:45   - It's just a little touch.

01:06:48   It's like the Steve Jobs thing about how you make the wood on the back, on the furniture

01:06:52   that goes against the wall, you make the back look good even though nobody's going to see

01:06:56   it because it's just a little detail and it's not going to be appreciated by a lot of people.

01:07:00   But in this case, you're exactly right.

01:07:02   They already have an animation to do this.

01:07:03   Why wouldn't you do that?

01:07:04   Because people are changing time zones all the time.

01:07:07   They're probably not staring at their watch at two in the morning or three in the morning,

01:07:11   whatever it is, in order to watch their watch change automatically during a daylight saving

01:07:17   switch over but still if they are, reward them.

01:07:22   Yeah, but also I feel like any time somebody changes time zone on a plane, they will always

01:07:30   look at their watch to ensure that it's changed.

01:07:32   That's true.

01:07:33   So I reckon a large majority of people see that non-animation happen.

01:07:39   Time zone gate.

01:07:40   It's starting right here.

01:07:41   If anybody out there is working in the watch team, could be, you now know this.

01:07:47   So if you change it, I'll know you did it for me.

01:07:49   All right.

01:07:50   Just want you to know that.

01:07:51   I'll know and we will have that link forever.

01:07:55   I will point out that Apple has struggled with time zones on iOS for a while now and

01:08:00   daylight savings time and alarms being broken and stuff like that.

01:08:04   So the fact that it worked, don't get me wrong, very happy that it worked, but I would like

01:08:09   this animation.

01:08:10   - Jason, Ed wrote in to ask if your photos book

01:08:13   contains any tips on transitioning from Lightroom,

01:08:16   and if not, is there a resource that you recommend?

01:08:18   - Why did you read this one?

01:08:21   - Because if it doesn't, I still wanted to plug your book.

01:08:25   If it does, we're plugging your book.

01:08:27   - Thanks for asking, Ed.

01:08:29   No, my book contains nothing about Lightroom.

01:08:33   I've not heard from a lot of people

01:08:36   transitioning from Lightroom to photos.

01:08:38   that's actually kind of a new one to me.

01:08:40   I don't use Lightroom even though I have it

01:08:42   because I have the Adobe Photoshop,

01:08:44   you know, photos bundle for Creative Cloud.

01:08:46   So I don't use it and I don't know anything about it.

01:08:49   And I don't know if somebody like Jeff Carlson

01:08:52   might have a resource because he's very knowledgeable

01:08:55   in all things Mac photography.

01:08:56   He may have something like that.

01:08:59   But I dove deep into photos and I dealt with some aperture

01:09:03   and I photo things 'cause there are direct imports

01:09:06   from those, whereas from Lightroom,

01:09:08   there's nothing supported that's direct. So that is not one of the things that's included

01:09:13   in my book, "Photos for Mac" a Take Control Crash Course available at takecontrolbooks.com.

01:09:18   Freshly upgraded for El Capitan.

01:09:20   So this is the thing, I expected it didn't, but wanted to just give you the moment to

01:09:25   plug the book, you know?

01:09:27   Thanks, Myke.

01:09:28   There you go. So would you suggest to our lovely listener, Ed, that he considers this

01:09:34   move? Because you're gonna be losing a lot right? Because Lightroom is in active

01:09:40   development, like if you move to photos you'll be losing some stuff. I don't know

01:09:44   enough about what Ed's needs are. He may be using Lightroom and thinking it's

01:09:48   overkill and then he'd rather just go back to photos. That's possible. But you

01:09:52   know photos, my impression of photos is that it's still not anything remotely

01:09:56   close to a professional photography tool. It's got some more stuff now but you

01:10:01   know people coming from Aperture were generally kind of disappointed and I

01:10:04   I think that coming from that direction, you're going to notice a lot of things that are missing

01:10:09   in a way that people coming from iPhoto don't notice.

01:10:13   So I don't know.

01:10:16   It depends a lot on what Ed's, you know, why he wants to switch and what he uses this stuff

01:10:21   for.

01:10:22   But bottom line, Photos does a great job of importing files into its database.

01:10:28   And so, you know, and it will read out your metadata from your files.

01:10:34   So if Lightroom, if your photos that are in Lightroom have their data embedded in them,

01:10:40   you know, their location data and stuff like that, it should read those.

01:10:44   I'm not sure if you can write in like keywords and things like that and there's no other

01:10:48   kind of import process, nor is there enough scripting access, I believe, to make that

01:10:55   an easier process, unfortunately.

01:10:57   Okay. And finally today @tomato_trucks, which is fun, wanted to know if the Apple Watch

01:11:05   was, Edition was cheaper, say the price of a regular Apple Watch, would we prefer it to our

01:11:11   current watch? So I don't think I would like the gold shiny watch. Like if I did like a gold watch,

01:11:17   I could buy the gold sport, right? Now that we have the gold sport, yeah.

01:11:21   Yeah. I don't really want that. What do you think?

01:11:24   I agree with you. I don't think I want a heavier watch and the gold watches are heavier and

01:11:35   gold's not gold's not my thing but if I did want to go watch now I'm glad that I've got

01:11:40   the option I could get the gold sport if I wanted to do that so so no I I don't think

01:11:46   I would want it I then again I have the sport I don't even have the regular with the stainless

01:11:51   so yeah well there you go no no gold watches here sorry you don't you don't have to apologize

01:12:00   unless unless someone in that watch team i just mentioned was already getting ready to ship us

01:12:06   some if you are a person in send it along yeah feel free still like i i could you know hand it

01:12:13   down as an heirloom christopher walken style to my kids in the future yeah it's not it's not for me

01:12:20   Jason that's brought us to the end of this week's episode. I think so. I think we did it 60 60 down

01:12:24   Look at that. Look at that 60 in just over 60

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01:13:24   Goodbye everybody.

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