60: Very Nice Button

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0:00:08From Relay FM, this is Upgrade, and this is episode number 60. Today's show is

0:00:14brought to you by the great people over at Braintree, Igloo, and Mail Route. My

0:00:18name is Myke Hurley, and I'm joined by Mr. Jason Snell.

0:00:22Hello, Mr. Myke Hurley. How are you, sir? It's good to be back. In the intervening

0:00:26time between between our this episode and the previous episode, we saw each

0:00:29other. Yes it's like we recorded many episodes of upgrade but nobody can hear

0:00:33them. No we didn't record them we just performed them. Performed them, yes.

0:00:37Privately. We did we were you and Steven and underscore David Smith were on

0:00:42clockwise last week. That was a great episode actually. That was a lot of fun

0:00:46and it was the only podcast recorded by us at release notes we didn't do a

0:00:50liftoff we didn't do an upgrade just that clockwise. Boy did that feel good to

0:00:54not have to worry about the scheduling whilst on a little trip. But that

0:01:00was a nice nice episode of Clockwise if you have not heard Clockwise before you

0:01:04should start episode 109. Yeah that's a great place to start there's very little

0:01:09continuity in Clockwise you can just dip in you have 30 minutes you could listen

0:01:12to it. Indeed it's easy easy easy peasy. Should we do some follow-up? I think that would be

0:01:18great. So last week we were talking a lot about Force Touch and yeah me and you

0:01:23were both basically lamenting the development of OS X in this regard and saying it seemed

0:01:29that the tools weren't there and/or the activity wasn't really there. And Abby wrote a great

0:01:34email to us. And Abby wrote in and they included a bunch of different scenarios that could

0:01:42be used.

0:01:43Yeah, he is--Abby is a--is a--like a power--a power user and I actually exchanged email

0:01:46with him about this because--and I think--I think it's really interesting. He--so what

0:01:50what he said is that he wants to be fast and do things as quickly as possible. And I thought

0:01:56it was really interesting. He doesn't like the fact that there are some of the shortcuts

0:01:59where you kind of click for a little bit and then let go and wait, and then something happens

0:02:04like to rename a file. It's like, it takes too long. It's sort of John Siracusa-like.

0:02:08It's like, I don't want to wait. I just want it to happen right now. Right? And so I get

0:02:12where he's coming from. But what's interesting is the things, the point was, "Oh, you guys

0:02:21are selling Force Touch on OS X short, look at all these things it does." And we can go

0:02:26through them, but I think I actually mentioned all of these, but we can get into that. Do

0:02:31you want to go through the list here with me?

0:02:34David: Yeah, I want to mention a couple of these because I pulled out some that I thought

0:02:37were quite interesting. So, for example, you can force touch a document name to rename

0:02:43it.

0:02:44>> Right. Right. Right. I mean, you can also just click on it for like a second and let

0:02:49go and the rename box will appear or you can press return, which is what I do. I find that

0:02:53a lot of my mouse gestures that I think of as mouse gestures are actually mouse and keyboard

0:02:58gestures. And, you know, it's nice that you can do that entirely with a mouse, although

0:03:02then you have to type the name. So your fingers are on the keyboard anyway. But you can't

0:03:07can do that and I did not know that that one forced open the rename in the finder immediately.

0:03:13I didn't realize that it did that. So that is a nice little tip. I don't notice that

0:03:18because like I said I'm selecting and hitting return and that's muscle memory from a long

0:03:24time ago. But that's a good one.

0:03:25>> You can quit local document by just pushing down into it. Although I have found in test

0:03:31testing and planning around it today when you use column view like I do what you end

0:03:36up mostly doing is activating the renaming of the file name.

0:03:40Yeah, right, because it's different whether you force touch on the name or on the icon.

0:03:46Yeah, and obviously the majority of the clickable area is the name of the file.

0:03:52In that view, yeah.

0:03:53But it is possible if you don't click in there, but you can do that, so.

0:03:56And that one is one of those that I roll my eyes at a little bit, because again, for me,

0:04:00you can do that or you can just press the space bar, which, yeah, it's just a little

0:04:05different gesture to click and then tap a key versus not, but fair point.

0:04:11So you can do a type of peak as well, so like you have peak and pop on iOS, so if you force

0:04:16touch on a link in any WebKit view, so Slack for example counts as this, it kind of shows

0:04:22you a preview of the web page.

0:04:25And this is in the category of most of the ones that Abhi mentioned, which is what I

0:04:28referred to last week as the three-finger click shortcut.

0:04:32Apple at some point added this three-finger click, which is basically like a bunch of

0:04:37extra stuff that isn't in a control click, and they wanted another gesture for it.

0:04:43And so on systems that don't have a Force Touch trackpad and have a trackpad, it's the

0:04:49three-finger click.

0:04:50So that web page preview is the repurposed three-finger click that I mentioned last week.

0:04:56On a word, you get the dictionary definition on an address.

0:05:00with the Apple Data Detectors technology that's got like an address will show maps, that's

0:05:05all coming from that same thing that's the it's the repurposed three-finger click gesture.

0:05:11So this is the thing right so there is some stuff here but I think this is where the problem

0:05:15lies in that on iOS a lot of the stuff that is behind Force Touch is stuff we couldn't

0:05:21get to before stuff that was created is stuff that didn't exist but on OS X it is more of

0:05:28a repurposing of features that are already there and are already perfectly accessible

0:05:32using the tools that currently exist.

0:05:35So I think you end up with two issues.

0:05:37One, I'm not going to do most of these because my muscle memory is in the other way of doing

0:05:42things.

0:05:45And the other is, it's not very exciting because it's not enhancing functionality in any way,

0:05:49it's just giving me a different way to trigger certain functionality.

0:05:54>> Yeah, also this goes back to, again, we did talk about this yesterday, or last week,

0:05:59but it's follow-up. This is the challenge that on the iPhone, what you're talking about

0:06:05is secondary. It's a secondary form of input. And here we already have the keyboard and

0:06:10we have a right click. I mean, there's so many things that have already been wired in.

0:06:14And I think the most important thing is that we already have a secondary click. And it's

0:06:18the right click or control click or I do it all two-finger click now because I've been

0:06:22using the trackpad for so long. So that means that all this other stuff, you know, Apple

0:06:27did come up with some of these features and you see them, and these are the ones that

0:06:30Avi mentioned, a lot of them, in this three-finger click thing that they created or tap, but

0:06:40they are all, it's just kind of a collection of extra stuff because the main thing is you

0:06:46get a contextual menu with all the most important things when you do your secondary click. So

0:06:51So this is this tertiary click that--I don't know, this is what I was trying to say last

0:06:56week and if I wasn't as clear, then just to restate it a little bit, the challenge on

0:07:00the Mac is finding what is the unifying principle of what a force touch, a force click does

0:07:08on the Mac, and have it available and have it be understandable and unified and the challenge

0:07:15there is that you also have a right click and that you can't count on force click being

0:07:20a thing. So I just think it's a work in progress. But while there are these things that have

0:07:25been around for a while for this third click that Apple kind of introduced for the trackpad

0:07:30a few years ago, the challenge is that it's kind of all over the place. So that's my frustration

0:07:36here is that I'm not sure there's--I don't want to say that it's easy, because it's not.

0:07:40It was much easier in that way to put it in iOS, because iOS could really use a second

0:07:45kind of interaction there. On the Mac, we've already got an alternate click and we've already

0:07:51got keyboard shortcuts. So, you know, it's not an easy problem to solve, but I've never

0:07:59thought that the three finger shortcut stuff made was really unified in any way and it

0:08:03seemed to only be limited to a few features.

0:08:06>> I just realized something. We were complaining and bemoaning the naming issue, 3D touch and

0:08:13Force Touch. It's actually three names, right? Force Touch, Force Click, and 3D Touch.

0:08:18Well, Force Click isn't—that's just a thing you do in a Force Touch trackpad, right? I

0:08:26think Force Touch is still the feature name, and then there's an action name, which is

0:08:30the Force Click. It's confusing, because I was—we were debating this when we were updating

0:08:35my book about photos for Mac. We had a section in there about photos on iOS, and we're

0:08:43debating what the verb is for when you when you 3d touch something. Are you 3d touching

0:08:48it or are you using 3d touch to press on something as opposed to tap? It looks like in a lot

0:08:55of Apple's documentation they actually do use the word press and it seems to be differentiated

0:09:00from tap but it's weird. It's weird stuff. So there's a lot going on here like what's

0:09:06the feature called, what's the verb that describes when you use it. It's all over the place.

0:09:12still figuring it out I think all of us. Yeah I just got sent some breaking news

0:09:17Jason Snow. Oh yeah. Google is bringing podcasts to play music. Well we've been

0:09:23we've been talking about that for quite a while now that well there were lots of

0:09:27rumors that they were working on on podcast stuff because they're they're

0:09:31behind and I was telling somebody I think it might have even been at release

0:09:35notes when we were talking about the the fears of a gatekeeper in in podcasting

0:09:41thing, the idea that Apple built this thing, and I think all the stats show that iOS devices

0:09:47are vastly more likely to listen to podcasts than Android devices. And one of the reasons

0:09:53is that Apple's been pushing podcasting for quite a while. So very interesting, a little

0:09:58real-time breaking news.

0:10:00Something for us to look out for and deal with and change all of our processes.

0:10:06Hooray!

0:10:07hopefully not hopefully not too much right hopefully this is hopefully this

0:10:11is just another like another directory which I think would be would be great

0:10:17yeah that's what I hope it is and I hope that they are completely compliant of

0:10:21all of the standards that everybody else is using because Apple don't ask you to

0:10:26do anything specific in the feeds for example they're very good at that the

0:10:30stuff you can do you can do extra things you don't need to do any of them so I

0:10:35I hope that it remains to be that way. Yeah. We'll have to wait and see. So maybe we'll

0:10:40follow up on that a little bit later. I wanted to do a few pieces of Back to the

0:10:44Future follow-up. Alright. So we totally called the USA Today cover. So on

0:10:49Thursday October 22nd, which made sense because it was the newspaper was the day

0:10:55after the day that Marty and the doc went to, right? So they arrived on

0:10:59October 21st 2015 but the newspaper was the next day's newspaper so on October

0:11:0422nd 2015 in the real world USA Today did a wrap of their newspaper with the

0:11:10front page of the USA Today from Back to the Future 2 and then on the back page

0:11:15they had an ad for the 30th anniversary edition and also for the Michael J Fox

0:11:19Foundation. I was luckily in the United States of America and I got one and I'm

0:11:23very very happy that I have one because this is a really nice kind of little

0:11:27memento of the movie. But I thought it was funny because we said they should do

0:11:30this, it'd be great if they did this," and then they did it.

0:11:33Yeah, that's cool. We called it. We were all at the release notes conference when this

0:11:42day happened, which was kind of fun. You put some slides in your presentation, you were

0:11:45giving the presentation that day, so that was a lot of fun too. Yeah, we did it. There

0:11:52was a couple people were asking about the mic at the movies feed on the incomparable

0:11:56and what the difference is, and I guess we should restate that, that again, the idea

0:12:00is that we're not going to have new stuff in that feed. That feeds just going to be

0:12:03the excerpts about movies from relay shows where you're talking with me and Casey and

0:12:08who knows who else if ever about about movies and they'll they'll all get excerpted later

0:12:13over 30 days later at the mic at the movies feed at the incomparable but it's not meant

0:12:18to be like a new podcast where you watch a movie every week it's it's literally like

0:12:22a place you can go if you just want to listen and I've heard from people who said oh yeah

0:12:25I just listen to this one because I think sometimes you miss you miss it or you're listening

0:12:30to a tech podcast and then you get 90 minutes in and they start talking about a movie and

0:12:33you're like, yeah, well, I don't have time to listen to this right now. So having it

0:12:36as another place you can go on demand or you know, not digging back into our archives where

0:12:42we're talking about news from a year ago.

0:12:44And talking about the incomparable on the way home on the plane. I listened to episode

0:12:4941 where you all discussed it was that you Dan Morin Dan Morin Dan Frakes Lex and Serenity

0:13:00yeah you spoke you did like an episode about all three which is quite funny back to the

0:13:05future movies so still early on in the incomparable when you did three movies in one episode and

0:13:12I really enjoyed listening to it but the thing that I found the funniest about it all was

0:13:17your opinions were the same, to the point that you even said, I can't remember what

0:13:21it was, but you said some of the same stuff.

0:13:23Which is just fantastic, right?

0:13:25That your opinion maintained all this stuff.

0:13:27My opinion hasn't changed in the last four years, no.

0:13:31And it just really made me smile, but it's a great episode, and I enjoyed it very much,

0:13:35and it was fun to hear everybody talk about this stuff.

0:13:38I assume that you experience this when you're editing podcasts, that you're listening to

0:13:42the conversation, and you have this thought of what you think about what was just said,

0:13:46and then you hear your own voice on the podcast say exactly that. That happens to me all the

0:13:52time where I laugh and I hear myself laughing the same laugh at the same time as I'm playing

0:13:57it back because I've responded to that statement in exactly the same way. Just, you know, I

0:14:03did it four days ago and I did it again when I played it back. It's funny. Weird.

0:14:08Yeah. And talking about things that I did on the plane back to the future related, I'm

0:14:15like 15 minutes away from finishing I need to finish it a fantastic

0:14:18documentary that I backed on Kickstarter called Back in Time which is a documentary

0:14:22about it's kind of interviews with the cast and creators of Back to the Future

0:14:27in part one of the documentary it's like a two-part documentary but it's all in

0:14:30one part where they just split the two hours into two one hours or whatever and

0:14:35then the other part is like about the fans of the movie and it's just

0:14:37fantastic if you are a Back to the Future fan you should go and rent or buy

0:14:42this this movie it was really really good and I enjoyed it immensely so I

0:14:47double thumbs up on that one all right I have to check it out yeah you really

0:14:51should it's fantastic it really really is fantastic and now it's it's out it's

0:14:54you can rent it you can buy it and you just go to their website which is

0:14:58backintimefilm.com and you'll see in there the secret cinema event they did

0:15:03that I went to in London they shot some footage of that so you get to see what

0:15:08that's like and they did a good job of capturing just how special a thing that

0:15:13was. So I really thoroughly recommend it. It's an excellent watch.

0:15:20Alright I think we've come to the end of the follow-up for this week so let's take our

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0:17:05So Jason, in between our last episode and this episode, Star Wars tickets were released.

0:17:10Oh yeah.

0:17:11Did you buy any?

0:17:13Uh, yes.

0:17:16I did.

0:17:17I actually, it's funny, I had to think about it because I didn't, when everybody was freaking

0:17:20out about Star Wars tickets. Oh, they're on sale, they're on sale, I can't get them, the

0:17:26site's crashed. I went and I put in our zip code and it brought me to a page that said,

0:17:35well, it's playing in downtown San Francisco and it's playing in Emeryville and it's playing

0:17:39in, I don't know, Daly City or something like that. Not where I live, just things that are

0:17:45close-ish but not where I live. I was like, all right, well, something's going on here,

0:17:49I'm not gonna go, you know, take my family into the city on a Thursday night to see a

0:17:54movie that's not gonna happen. All the traffic, parking problems, things like that, it's not

0:17:58gonna happen. The next morning I went back on the site just thinking, "Well, you never

0:18:03know." I've seen that happen in the past where they add sort of other theaters later, and

0:18:08sure enough the big single screen movie theater, reputed to be George Lucas's favorite movie

0:18:13theater here in Marin County had been added and the Thursday at 7 p.m. show was available

0:18:21and so I bought four tickets. So the family is going, my daughter has finals the next

0:18:26day, I don't care. We're all gonna go. We'll be home by 930, it's fine. She'll get some

0:18:31sleep if she's gonna need to do her studying before we go to the movie, that's what's gonna

0:18:35have to happen. But yeah, we're gonna do it. So the way I figure it, I'm gonna see it on

0:18:40the 17th, but because of time zones and many other reasons, you will be seeing it before

0:18:46me.

0:18:47>>ANDREW Yes, well, not only is it time zones, it is coming out a day earlier in the UK.

0:18:53>>DAVID Right.

0:18:54>>ANDREW And so I'm going to see it on 11.30am on the 17th.

0:18:57>>DAVID Can you go see it on the night of the 16th?

0:19:00Did you have that option and then you bypassed it?

0:19:02>>ANDREW Yeah, we can go at midnight, but I don't want to do that because I don't need

0:19:06to do that.

0:19:07technically that's not the 16th and that's the 17th. And it comes out here in the United

0:19:12States starting at 7pm on the 17th. So I think technically it comes out in both countries

0:19:17on the 17th. Yeah, we're seeing it at 7pm on the night of the 17th.

0:19:20So.

0:19:21Maybe we can see, I'm going to find out if it's possible to buy tickets earlier.

0:19:25Because the midnight showings have proven so popular that they've started showing them

0:19:29earlier. So now you actually get most, for a lot of these wide releases that they expect

0:19:35a lot of people to come and see they extend the weekend essentially to Thursday night

0:19:40and that they actually put in two showings sometimes on Thursday night for these blockbusters

0:19:45to extend the weekend through, you know, it's Thursday night and all day Friday, Saturday,

0:19:50Sunday. So yeah, we're going at 7 p.m. on Thursday the 17th.

0:19:53Well that's interesting. However, kind of the official release is the day earlier.

0:19:59Is the 17th there and the 18th here, yeah. But it's a lie.

0:20:01Well I will be seeing it at 11.30am on the 17th.

0:20:04Yeah, well you'll have me beat by like a lot.

0:20:09Yeah, many, many hours.

0:20:11By like 14 hours or something like that.

0:20:13So like I could see it earlier but like I'm not...

0:20:17Yeah, so it starts with midnight showings here on the 17th.

0:20:21That's when we get it.

0:20:22So you can watch it at 0001 on Thursday the 17th.

0:20:26It doesn't seem like that there's any showings on the 16th.

0:20:31So my feeling is I want to see it at my local cinema so it doesn't take many hours out of

0:20:37my day.

0:20:38It's not the best cinema but it's fine.

0:20:40And if I go at 11.30am on a Thursday afternoon or whatever day it is, Wednesday or Thursday

0:20:45afternoon, there's not going to be anybody else in the cinema, right?

0:20:50Or there'll be very very few people.

0:20:52So I'm just going to go and I'm going to see it and then I'm going to be happy.

0:20:56So that's what I'm going.

0:20:5711.30am on 17th and I'm going at that time in the morning because I want the maximum

0:21:02amount of time to gloat online that I've seen the movie without having to watch it at midnight.

0:21:09Because if I watch it at midnight I might be tired when I'm watching it and I really

0:21:12want to be like engrossed. And I've already booked my second viewing because the dinner

0:21:17is going to be away, she's going to be back home and when she comes home from Romania

0:21:23it for Christmas, we're gonna go see it together on New Year's Day.

0:21:28Wow, you have planned ahead.

0:21:31Well, she wants to see it, and I figure I might as well book tickets, because I have

0:21:35no idea how busy it's gonna be, right?

0:21:37Like, it could really pick up.

0:21:39It's just funny that you've bought tickets for a movie that doesn't--a showing of a movie

0:21:43that's not for more than two months.

0:21:46But you know, I have tickets for December as well.

0:21:50Mid-December, and it's not yet November.

0:21:52So it's pretty crazy. What a world we live in.

0:21:54Yes, it is funny when you think that I've already bought tickets for a movie in 2016.

0:22:00Right?

0:22:01Yeah. You might have a problem.

0:22:04Yep. The problem is love, Jason.

0:22:07Talking about love, I have a new computer.

0:22:12Yes. It's time.

0:22:15It is time to talk about my iMac. As my Mac Pro sits here, very sad.

0:22:21So I set it up on Sunday. I started the setup process when I got home from

0:22:29Indianapolis because I figured I might as well just do it. So I was doing a

0:22:35migration. I did migration assistant. I did it by Thunderbolt which is fantastic.

0:22:42Absolutely fantastic. It migrated like I don't know like half a terabyte or

0:22:47something in about 45 minutes. But I have to say though, I have to say, this is my

0:22:56my current bugbear at the moment is Apple setup processes and I have another

0:23:02problem here Jason. The majority of apps that I downloaded from the App Store

0:23:07when I tried to launch them I was told they were damaged and had to be

0:23:11redownloaded. Oh yeah that's that same thing. Yep and you know what you have to

0:23:16do you have to delete the app put in your password because drag it to the

0:23:20trash put in your password and then redownload it but it doesn't tell you

0:23:23that right it just says damage redownload from the App Store so you go

0:23:27to the App Store and you can't redownload it just says open right

0:23:30because it's already installed so it's like another thing where it's like this

0:23:34is another problem that shouldn't happen and Apple don't give you any kind of

0:23:37guidance as to how you need to fix the issue so I had to just delete I've been

0:23:41I've been doing this over the last couple of days because as I'm launching

0:23:44apps right like oh it's damaged it's like great so delete this one put in my

0:23:48password to delete it go to the App Store redownload it it

0:23:51maintains all of my settings and stuff which is interesting I'm not really sure

0:23:54how that's happening right if I delete the app shouldn't everything go with it

0:23:57but I don't want to think about that so but that's just an annoyance I've had so

0:24:03that is basically the only annoyance that I have with this machine and it's

0:24:08more an OS it's definitely an OS X problem it's not a it's not an issue

0:24:12with the iMac. The screen is incredible. So you know I've been

0:24:20using retina machines for a while so the retina doesn't blow me away right

0:24:25because I know what that's like. Right but it's a lot a lot of retina though

0:24:30it's a whole lot of retina. That's what I love about it. So it's the resolution so

0:24:36So I have it on the one up from best or no.

0:24:44I have it, so you know, if you've got five settings isn't there?

0:24:47Yeah, yes.

0:24:48If you choose scaled, there's the default setting which is not scaled.

0:24:52And then there's two larger text settings and two more space settings.

0:24:57Yep.

0:24:58So I have it on the, in the middle between default and more space.

0:25:02Right.

0:25:03looks like 2880 by 1620, it says.

0:25:06Yeah, we'll go with that.

0:25:10That is one of the two settings I use. Sometimes I use that setting, most of the time I stay

0:25:14with the default, but sometimes I feel like I have too much going on and I want a little

0:25:19more space.

0:25:20Why do you go with default?

0:25:24Because I'm 45 years old and having everything be a little bit smaller has its disadvantages.

0:25:30Yep, I get that.

0:25:32And because on a 27 inch computer, I don't often feel like I need more space. Also, a

0:25:39lot of what I'm doing, you know, is writing things. Those are little windows with text

0:25:43in them. They don't need to be, you know, I don't need huge amounts of space for stuff

0:25:49like that. So, you know, I go back and forth, but I find myself just staying with the defaults

0:25:54a lot, mostly because I don't feel like I need more space most of the time.

0:25:59So in the chat room, Skeeman has asked about the specs. I thought I'd just run over quickly what I did get.

0:26:04So, a 27 inch Retina 5K iMac with a 4 gigahertz Intel Core i7, 16 gigabytes of RAM and a 1 terabyte SSD.

0:26:17I'll just run over that again. Very happy with that.

0:26:24One of the things that I've noticed with the screen which is fantastic is how great it makes split-screen mode

0:26:30because you could just have because the apps are just

0:26:34So large right in full screen

0:26:37But it was actually with the setting I have you put them into split-screen and you can see so much of the content, right?

0:26:43Which is fantastic and that also in a funny way has made me excited for the iPad Pro

0:26:51Because I can see the benefit of like two basically full screen applications side by side

0:26:57Because I always felt like with my Mac Pro and also on my retina MacBook

0:27:02That I could use apps side by side, but they were always felt constrained in some way

0:27:08But on this machine it they do not feel constrained in any way

0:27:12I feel like I have two full-size apps side by side, which is great

0:27:15Yeah, I I don't know sometimes

0:27:19sometimes there are certain cases where I feel like it's good, but most of the time

0:27:24I feel like the screen is so big that I don't need to go into split view, because first

0:27:30off I could probably have more than two windows open. Like, it's such a big screen that two

0:27:34windows open at once isn't--that's sort of like too much even then that you really need

0:27:39to subdivide it further, and most of the ways I work I've got more than two things open.

0:27:43occasionally I'll find a really good use for it, but I feel like it's, for me, I'm more

0:27:49likely to do it on a small screen because two things side by side on an 11-inch MacBook

0:27:55Air makes sense, and when I have two things side by side on my Retina iMac, I think I

0:28:02could have more things here. That makes sense to me.

0:28:06Yeah. I mean, I use full screen though, right? Like I am a full screen person.

0:28:10Yeah.

0:28:11So that's why this makes more sense to me. So like I have

0:28:12It does make more sense than full screen on the 27 inch.

0:28:17So I have Chrome in full screen constantly right?

0:28:20And if I'm filling in maybe a Google doc or something or when I was doing our show notes

0:28:23today I put notes on the right side where I'd been taking some notes and then I had

0:28:28Chrome on the left side and I was just copying and pasting in some things.

0:28:32I am one of the full screen people.

0:28:35I like to have things in full screen.

0:28:36I have a lot less in full screen, pretty much the only app that is always, well I have two

0:28:40apps always in full screen, Google Chrome and iTunes, and I will sometimes throw

0:28:46something else into full screen. But since I started using the Mac Pro

0:28:51with the 25-inch monitor, I started to put less into full screen than before. So

0:28:56like I have two desktops, one which is my audio desktop, which has all the

0:29:00recording stuff and where I edit, and I have my kind of work desktop which has

0:29:04all of my other apps in. But I do like to use full screen, like for example when I

0:29:08was working on my presentation keynote was in full screen. When I'm in an

0:29:13app like that I do quite like it. The speakers are fantastic. Coming from

0:29:20the Mac Pro which is like it basically feels like it has like an iPhone speaker

0:29:25in it. Like the Mac Pro speakers are horrific, the internal ones. They are

0:29:30really quiet, they sound terrible. Obviously with the Mac Pro not being

0:29:35directly in front of you it always sounds like it's to the side right or

0:29:39like underneath depending wherever you put the Mac Pro right because it's not

0:29:42the screen the speakers always gonna sound like the sounds always coming from

0:29:46wherever the speaker is which is usually not right in front of you and I know

0:29:49that a lot of people plug their computers into other speakers but I

0:29:53don't have that and don't really want that so but the speaker on this thing is

0:29:59incredibly loud and it sounds really really good and I'm very very happy

0:30:03about that. One, something that I also really like that probably nobody cares

0:30:08about, the power button is way easier to reach, it feels good to click. I do shut

0:30:13my Mac down every day. Yeah me too. That'd be crazy. Yeah I don't know why people, I

0:30:20know a lot of people do that, like just leave them sleeping or whatever, but I

0:30:23don't like to do it, I just like to turn it off, just turn it off. And it feels good,

0:30:27it starts up really fast. It doesn't even matter, it really doesn't

0:30:31matter to me. And I just think, just turn it off. I don't need it to be on, because

0:30:35if it's on, the USB pre is on, and I don't like to leave that on.

0:30:39I agree. Exactly right.

0:30:40I really don't want that on.

0:30:41Yeah, I don't want the USB interface on, I don't want my thunderbolt hub on, I don't

0:30:47want anything on. I want it off when it's off. And it's a nice feeling when I shut it

0:30:50down and everything kind of goes out and I'm like, I'm done, and I walk away. And if I

0:30:54need to come back, because I forgot something, oh no, I have to wait 20 seconds for it to

0:30:59up I mean it's almost no time at all so so yeah so I I start my day by pressing

0:31:03that that button along the back of a of the iMac too and it is it is satisfying

0:31:08so because on the Mac Pro it's in an awkward position around the back of the

0:31:13little cylinder thing and the click isn't very nice but on the iMac because

0:31:17the iMac so thin it's really easy to get to there and as it's really nice the

0:31:21button is just very nice a very nice button it's very satisfying to click it

0:31:25I won't do it now because it would turn my Mac off.

0:31:27Yeah.

0:31:27But...

0:31:28Don't do it.

0:31:28It's good.

0:31:29Um...

0:31:30Okay, so this might just be a placebo thing, but this feels faster than my Mac Pro.

0:31:36Now on paper it should be, because the processor is more powerful.

0:31:40Um...

0:31:41But it might just be one of those things where I'm like, "New computers quick! Hooray!"

0:31:45But...

0:31:46However you slice it, the machine that I have sitting in front of me is a monster.

0:31:51Like, it's fantastic.

0:31:52It's really powerful.

0:31:54It is of course the most powerful machine that I've ever owned.

0:31:58And it feels that way.

0:32:00And I am very happy because the work that I do, there are bottlenecks.

0:32:04And this is the same with anybody that creates the type of stuff that we create.

0:32:10There are always bottlenecks, like bouncing or exporting and stuff like that.

0:32:14And this machine, it helps me edit podcasts quicker, it helps me reduce all of those loading

0:32:20times.

0:32:21not, you know, all of these things are like, you know, "Oh, what am I saving? Like, 10

0:32:25minutes or something? 5 minutes? A couple of minutes? 20 seconds? 10 seconds?" But it

0:32:29doesn't matter because in the aggregate this stuff adds up. And when I'm, you know,

0:32:33like, today I will be editing three podcasts in total. So all of that time

0:32:39saving is beneficial to me, and I like to have that, and I feel like I get that

0:32:43from this machine as well. Yeah, I think that most tests will indicate that the

0:32:49Mac Pro is still going to beat it for, you know, really threaded multi-core kind of tasks,

0:32:55but for a whole lot of tasks that aren't aggressively throwing threads out onto all of those processor

0:33:04cores.

0:33:07I share your feelings.

0:33:08I was coming from a MacBook Air, so like you, I was coming from a device that had an SSD,

0:33:14so that wasn't it.

0:33:15SSD you've got the new, you know, whatever it is, two and a half times higher bandwidth

0:33:20SSD on top of it. So yeah, it should feel fast. It's not as dramatic as going from like

0:33:27a spinning hard drive to an SSD, but still, it's a good thing. You're all SSD, is that

0:33:32right?

0:33:33>> Yeah, 100%. So it was expensive because I bought the terabyte, but I don't currently

0:33:40have like an external storage solution, which I feel like I should get, but...

0:33:44Yeah, I have one of those.

0:33:46Yeah, do you have a Drobo?

0:33:48I have a Drobo, yeah, and I have a half a terabyte of SSD.

0:33:52What do you think about the Drobo?

0:33:53Because I have some people tell me to go Synology, some people tell me to go Drobo,

0:33:59and I'm not sure.

0:33:59So I don't think I have an official, like, an official recommendation about any of that,

0:34:04and we can talk about this on another show.

0:34:06Boy, that worked wonders for the ATP guys.

0:34:07guys. They talked about Synology and Drobo for like 80 episodes. It varies based on your

0:34:14needs. I have also heard people say that they love Drobo and people who've had a lot of

0:34:18problems with it. I've had it for a year and had no problems with it at all. I do back

0:34:24it up, but it's also got the redundancy on its own hard drives. So theoretically, if

0:34:29one of the mechanisms fails, I can just pop it out and put in a new one. And I like that.

0:34:34Mine is a Thunderbolt Drobo.

0:34:37It's actually attached to my Mac Mini, so it's not a NAS.

0:34:41It's just an external drive on my Mac Mini that runs.

0:34:44That runs all the time, and that's my server.

0:34:45And I have a server that runs all the time, so it works for me.

0:34:48Whereas for some people, it makes more sense to have something that's a network-attached

0:34:51device that's just a huge disk.

0:34:54But I've got it, you know, it's on gigabit Ethernet here in my house.

0:34:57So I'm moving just today.

0:34:58I posted episode six of the "Incomparable Radio Theater," and that was a project, episode

0:35:03four and six because it's the same cast, we're one big project, and it was kind of nice to

0:35:06be able to move that off of my iMac and to the Drobo, and it was, whatever it was, copying,

0:35:15I don't know, 20 gigabytes of data. I mean, it was a lot of data, a lot of data, and to

0:35:20see it kind of just move off of my drive via gigabit Ethernet to a server where it will

0:35:25live and be backed up and has some redundancy is kind of nice. And then I keep my workspace,

0:35:32see how much I've got like 40 gigs free right now on my on my iMac itself for

0:35:36local stuff so I I shuttle things back and forth sort of as I'm working on them

0:35:39but I'm very unless I'm encoding video I very rarely get to the point where I run

0:35:43out of space but I know it's it's really nice to have a big server somewhere

0:35:48where you can dump your files when you're done with them yeah no I just

0:35:52haven't decided on a solution yet yeah no it's it's a tough one I feel like

0:35:55it's I feel like it's kind of shifting and people have said for a while now

0:35:59that it wouldn't be nice if there was a more consumer-friendly kind of server idea. And

0:36:03I think everybody decided that it wasn't worth it because internet connections are getting

0:36:08faster and cloud storage is cheap. And so people are sort of assuming that like in the

0:36:14next five or 10 years, you won't need to worry about it. The problem is that's five or 10

0:36:19years away and people who have connectivity issues, which you do, you don't have a super

0:36:23fast internet connection. You want to have storage locally. And so since there's no,

0:36:29you know, the investment here has been a lot less than you might expect given that there

0:36:32is probably an easier way to solve this. But there are products out there. And you know,

0:36:37I do recommend you getting something, whether it's a NAS like the Synology or Drobo makes

0:36:44a NAS version or whether it's something like a, you know, a big attached storage device

0:36:50of some kind. I don't know, there are lots of the-- I agree with you, I ended up with

0:36:53the Drobo through a chain of circumstances that you know but it fit my

0:36:58it fit my needs but I am happy that I've got this giant like 20 terabytes or

0:37:03whatever it is 15 terabytes of data sitting across the room for me. That's

0:37:08nice. That's a good feeling. Yeah, I'll say I just it's one of those things I

0:37:12just don't know what to do. I mean as well like it's fine at the moment like I

0:37:16don't mind kind of trashing logic files after a couple of months when they're in

0:37:22the shows that are topical so they're out of date right like we're never gonna

0:37:27go back and do them again but like yeah I've got 105 gigabytes of clockwise

0:37:30episodes that I could trash and you don't need to be fine yeah I don't think

0:37:34the mp3 files live in multiple places I have backups of those but not the logic

0:37:38files but shows where the content is more evergreen I do keep the logic files

0:37:45files. It's like, for example, Cortex, I have all of those. I have the inquisitive ones

0:37:50and stuff like that, like I keep those. But like this show, we don't really need it after

0:37:56a couple... Like I do it every, like maybe every quarter, I kind of bin the previous.

0:38:01So like after a few months, if I'm not needed, I probably won't need it again. And I'm sure

0:38:04someday that will come back to bite me, but right now that's provided to be fine.

0:38:10Yeah.

0:38:11Oh, I wanted to mention before we move on, since we're talking about SSDs and devices

0:38:15and things like that, I wanted to mention, so my mother had a mid-2009 MacBook Pro, and

0:38:22I used this for some of my device testing last week.

0:38:24And I realized that what I need to do is get rid of it.

0:38:30So what I did was I actually bought an SSD and more RAM and eight gigs of RAM and opened

0:38:38ended up last week and what was amazing is this six-year-old computer felt just unusable

0:38:47even even a year or two ago when my mom was still using it and she switched to an iPad.

0:38:52It was just so slow and awful and it thought occurred to me when I was reviewing that 4k

0:38:56iMac which has the spinning hard drive and I thought spinning hard drive is the problem

0:39:00so I replaced that in this 2009 mid-2009 13-inch MacBook Pro and it's great now I mean it's

0:39:07It's never going to be the same as a cutting-edge MacBook Pro that you'd buy today, but for

0:39:12120 bucks maybe, 110 bucks, I put in the SSD and now it's running El Capitan and it's got

0:39:218 gigs of RAM and it's actually pretty great.

0:39:24So now I'm going to sell it to somebody because I think it would be a--I didn't want to sell

0:39:28somebody my mother's old slow awful computer but by replacing the disk and adding more

0:39:32them. It's a perfectly serviceable, cheap computer even though it's five years old,

0:39:39six years old. So that's a little story. Yeah. Bottom line, on modern computers, the disk

0:39:46is the thing that is going to kill you. The disk is, you got to, that's, just don't buy

0:39:51a spinning disk if you can help it. And if you have to buy a spinning disk, buy a fusion

0:39:55drive. But yeah, it's just, they're so slow. Even the fast ones are slow. And in an iMac

0:40:01or a laptop, it's usually not the fast one.

0:40:03Yeah, and it's weird how we made such, or Intel, not we, there was nothing to do with

0:40:10it, made such massive jumps in processor technology, right, with all the core stuff, and it really,

0:40:18it became quite a thing, and we made massive jumps and continued to make massive jumps.

0:40:25this stuff, like the storage stuff, really it didn't kind of like go

0:40:32along with it, you know? SSDs are fantastic but I bet there's still a

0:40:36bottleneck. But you know if you're still looking at computers today that are

0:40:42being sold new with hard disks in them, that's a problem. As we have many

0:40:49other people have lamented in what I am dubbing the year of storage whoa with Apple.

0:40:58Alright we'll take it.

0:40:59If you think about the 16GB iPhones, the fact that the iPad Pro is 32 or 128, you've got

0:41:06the Apple TV, like why is it in two different storage solutions, nobody understands which

0:41:11one to buy, and then you have spinning disks in iMacs.

0:41:152015 is the year of storage problems.

0:41:19Great uneasiness in storage-related issues for Apple this year.

0:41:25All right, let's talk about these magic devices and my opinions on those.

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0:44:05Magic devices. I bought all of them, right?

0:44:08Mmm, magic.

0:44:10I didn't even take the mouse out of the packaging.

0:44:13I decided it's got nothing I need in it.

0:44:17And...

0:44:18Sounds about right. You could sell it.

0:44:20Yeah, I could sell it. I'll keep it, right?

0:44:22Because it's just there now. It's whatever.

0:44:24It came with the device for as much as I'm concerned.

0:44:27And mainly this is because I mentioned this.

0:44:31I'm going through some RSI problems right now.

0:44:33I'm switching around inputs and stuff like that and I know that the Magic Mouse

0:44:38is not going to be helpful in this scenario because it is not built for

0:44:41ergonomics, it is built for beauty. So I don't need to use it. I have a Magic

0:44:47Mouse that I use on my laptop when I'm on the road because it's nice and small

0:44:50and I get to use you know the gestures and stuff. So because I mean see for a

0:44:56trackpad, I mean trackpad is terrible, the mouse is pretty much just as bad so I

0:45:00just can kind of flick between them with different hands right so that's fine but

0:45:03I don't use that too much so I needed two keyboards right because I was doing

0:45:10moving documents with the migration assistant stuff from one machine to the

0:45:13other so great I had the new keyboard and I remember what Jason told me to do

0:45:17I just plugged it in right yep and it paired bingo excellent didn't need to go

0:45:22through the rubbish with it even in like the setup screens plugged it in plugged

0:45:25it in? Done. I do not like that keyboard at all. I really really don't like it.

0:45:32It's very pretty. I love the way it looks. But that key travel I cannot abide. It

0:45:39feels worse to me than my MacBook Pro keyboard and I mentioned this to Steve

0:45:44when I connected. It is. I know it is. Worse, just because the travel is

0:45:50different doesn't mean it's worse, right? It depends on where you come from. I find

0:45:54it worse. It is different, it's shallower, but I don't like it at all. Steven prefers

0:46:00it to his MacBook. Interesting. Because he's saying he likes the stability of the keys.

0:46:06People have opinions. Yeah, I mean because the keys aren't stable, I could feel that,

0:46:10but I felt like they weren't going anywhere. And I used the Microsoft Sculpt ergonomic

0:46:16keyboard. So it's very different. I mean I started using it for a moment, I was like

0:46:20this is just going to set my hands on fire, like to use this thing. Because again, not

0:46:24built for economics. But the key travel, I don't know what it is, but the key travel

0:46:29is quite deep on the Microsoft keyboard that I use. So I couldn't use it. But I tried it

0:46:38and it's very nice to look at, okay? But it's just not for me.

0:46:43Well, and there is nothing more personal than an input device, and especially a keyboard.

0:46:49There is no one right answer for what the best keyboard is. That's the funny thing is

0:46:53we have like all the jokes about Marco Arment and the MacBook, the adjective-less MacBook

0:46:59being having a bad keyboard and I don't like that keyboard either, but some people like

0:47:05it and that's fine because people's bodies are different and the needs that they've got

0:47:09for their devices are different and there is, you know, we don't live in a world where

0:47:14there's only one kind of keyboard to get and there's a reason for that and it's not because

0:47:17some people are wrong, it's because different keyboards work for different people.

0:47:21>>Yeah, they do.

0:47:23>>I'm still using it, although I'm gonna go back to my Logitech Easy Switch keyboard and

0:47:29try that and see how I like that and sort of do the reverse thing and see if I notice

0:47:36what's different going back to the one that I was using before I was using the Magic Keyboard,

0:47:41just to see.

0:47:42>>Yeah, I mean, I don't think I'm a good litmus test for this because I use a specific keyboard

0:47:47for a specific reason that the Magic keyboard is not built for. I have kept

0:47:55the Magic trackpad around though. I like the size and feel of it. I think it

0:48:02actually does look nicer than I expected. I still wish it was black to match the

0:48:06iMac. But it is good-looking. I like the the form factor that it kind of

0:48:14mirrors the IMAX screen like size right so it's not a square it is a

0:48:20rectangle which makes sense for mapping you know even though I know that it's

0:48:25like inertial and momentum based so you don't it's not directly mapped anyway

0:48:29but it just makes sense in my brain. Well you're moving around a wider an area

0:48:34that's wider than it is tall so your pointing device is wider than it is tall

0:48:37yeah which makes sense basically makes sense yeah. I am still having the issue

0:48:43with missed clicks. Now sometimes like if I'm clicking and dragging something, I do

0:48:52something maybe I don't press hard enough and it loses it. I've noticed this

0:48:56a couple of times moving documents around and moving logic around and

0:48:58things around in logic. Now maybe I'm more sensitive to this than other people,

0:49:03maybe I don't do a good enough job of clicking, but the thing was the old

0:49:06trackpad I never missed it because it was physical. So as long as I was keeping

0:49:11the pressure down it worked for me. Sometimes what I found is like maybe

0:49:16there's been a slight variation in the pressure and the trackpad believes that

0:49:20I've taken my that I've intended to stop this click and begin a new one. That's

0:49:25what I think is going on here. I never missed the old one right

0:49:30because I could like press down with my thumb and move with my finger and it was

0:49:36fine but there's something going on maybe like I'm pressing down my thumb

0:49:39and then pressing down too hard with my finger at a certain point and it's

0:49:43registering a new click but the physical trackpad on my MacBook Pro and on my

0:49:47well I used the previous magic trackpad I never had and this was never an issue

0:49:51like I never noticed myself doing something that was unintended when

0:49:56moving stuff around you know like that was never a thing before but this is the

0:50:01thing that I am seeing and I need to pay more attention to work out what I think

0:50:06think it's doing but basically my feeling of it is it's because it is not

0:50:10physical there is software or there is something that is trying to understand

0:50:14what I'm doing and it's when you take away that physical element it will in my

0:50:19opinion it will never be right a hundred percent of time because it's doing more

0:50:22judgment of the movement that I'm making rather than the movement I'm attempting

0:50:27to make. What I have noticed though is using my MacBook Pro trackpad is now

0:50:35less satisfying because I can't click anywhere I want. And I found that really interesting.

0:50:42Huh. You mean like the diving board thing where you can't click higher up?

0:50:47Yeah. So like it's not as easy to click in the top part, naturally, as it is in the bottom

0:50:54part, but that's not an issue on the Magic Trackpad, too. And click anywhere I like,

0:50:59right? And it registers just as nicely. So that is an interesting feeling.

0:51:04clicking is entirely done with my thumb so it's always at the bottom. Well that's

0:51:10how I always was but it's funny how in just a day or two it's changed that and

0:51:14then I used my MacBook Pro and was like oh I can't do that now.

0:51:17So found that very interesting to see. It is hilarious to me that it makes

0:51:23that clicking sound. And I did turn the clicking off but it still clicks

0:51:28anyway so I just left it on. It makes that vibration and the vibration makes a

0:51:34noise. It's just not the higher frequency click thing that they have a little speaker

0:51:39in there to fake for you.

0:51:40>> I think it's hilarious. I find it more, I encourage anybody that has one to turn the

0:51:46click off in system preferences so you can just hear the difference. It's funny to me.

0:51:51It sounds like an artificial click. It is a funny sounding click and I like that. And

0:51:55I kind of like that it does it.

0:51:56>> It's on the MacBook at least, I think has the same thing.

0:52:00>> Yeah, it would do. I assume that it would do.

0:52:02I have silent clicking turned on which isn't entirely silent but since I'm doing podcasts

0:52:06and things I figure the quieter the better so I have it turned off.

0:52:12I really like that you can turn it off and it breaks your brain you know because it's

0:52:18like it actually doesn't move.

0:52:20And oh yeah when you when you flip the switch and turn it off it just it's no longer responsive

0:52:24yeah.

0:52:25And that's something that I like to demonstrate to people in my family right so like I said

0:52:29to Adina like come here and click this and I turn it over click it now she's like oh

0:52:32it's just a funny little thing right it's it's nice um but yeah I look all in all like

0:52:38the magic trackpad is the winner for me uh because it actually does do some stuff to

0:52:44improve on the last one in ways that are meaningful to me like the size of it is nicer yeah the

0:52:49uh the overall package is nicer like it's I like how much lower it is to the desk um

0:52:55and I can see there being some benefits with the force touch stuff eventually but as I say

0:53:03the downside is removing the physical click I think does make the... it is less accurate

0:53:14and I think that's just the nature of moving it and the way that they're moving it

0:53:19but I do really like it but the other ones they're not for me. I can see that they are great for many

0:53:25people they're just not for me and especially the mouse because it's like

0:53:28all you've done is just make it rechargeable via a lightning cable so

0:53:33what I may do is I actually may replace the one that I currently use I just

0:53:37thought of doing that why don't I do that so I don't ever have to worry about

0:53:40rechargeable batteries again it's like the one that I keep in my travel bag I'm

0:53:44just gonna replace that so I'll just use the one because I always have a

0:53:47lightning cable in that bag right right I'll do that but yeah so that's one

0:53:51thing that I will do but aside from that it's not it's not massively useful for me

0:53:54to use every day. Perfectly reasonable. Apple TV went on sale, as you very rightly have

0:54:03written in a document, I don't care. I did order one. I did order one, I don't care about

0:54:08it, but I ordered it so I won't be sitting here going "Jason, what does it do?" I want

0:54:14to have one. That's a business expense. Yeah. But I really don't care. But I'm interested

0:54:21in seeing if you do?

0:54:23Yeah, well, I'm interested to see what it can do.

0:54:28I placed my order.

0:54:29I actually placed my order from the plane when I landed in Phoenix on the way back from

0:54:33the conference.

0:54:34I turned on the turn off airplane mode and it said on Twitter, "Oh, Apple TV orders are

0:54:43starting now."

0:54:44And I went to the Apple Store app and went, you know, boop, boop, boop, bought it.

0:54:48just while we were taxiing to the gate. It was pretty funny, the world we live in. So

0:54:54mine is coming early next week. I didn't pay extra for shipping. If they have them in stock

0:54:59at the Apple store, I might go up there if I can get one early, but otherwise I'll check

0:55:04it out next week and try it then. I got the smaller storage one because I don't--Apple

0:55:11seems to struggle with this, right? And we mentioned it--you mentioned it earlier in

0:55:14the year of Apple struggling with storage things, it's still really unclear about why

0:55:20there's a big one and a small one. And Apple's response was sort of like, "Well, if you've

0:55:27got lots of games, you might want to have the big one." And we may find out that there

0:55:31are some very specific things that are better on the big one where people start to load

0:55:36up on a lot of apps and they run out of storage space and they have to delete something, and

0:55:40we may find that. But right now it's kind of unclear, and I was trying to explain to

0:55:43to sort of regular people about why they're the two models

0:55:45and how they vary.

0:55:46And when I say, well, one of them has more storage

0:55:48and they say, well, does it matter?

0:55:49And I have to kind of shrug and go, I don't know.

0:55:51It may not matter, but I bought the smaller one.

0:55:54And we'll see.

0:55:56- Yeah, I mean, I really hope that there isn't a clear reason

0:56:00that one is better than the other

0:56:01that Apple isn't telling us yet,

0:56:03because that would super suck.

0:56:04Because their reason is just like, maybe you want more games?

0:56:09I don't know.

0:56:12I'm struggling to be interested in this device from a user perspective.

0:56:19Yeah, well, we'll see. We'll see what the deal is. I think apps will start to come out.

0:56:26I did hear from somebody who was doing a... had a developer unit. I forget. I'm not going

0:56:32to say who it was in case I did not talk to them on a podcast about it and it's not public,

0:56:38But the point was that the developer unit, you could swap it in for your regular old

0:56:43Apple TV, except for one problem, which is it didn't have any apps yet, right?

0:56:50Because like testing an iOS device, it doesn't have apps other than Apple's apps, which means

0:56:54that the old Apple TV came with YouTube at one point and Netflix, right?

0:57:01And the new one doesn't.

0:57:02The new one doesn't come with Netflix.

0:57:04You have to download the Netflix app, I believe, which is interesting.

0:57:09And so that's going to be a change too, is that you need to actually go and download

0:57:13the apps that you want to bring on board and use.

0:57:16But we'll see how it is.

0:57:17I'm looking forward to it.

0:57:18It should be kind of fun, play with the Siri stuff.

0:57:24But in the long run, I was telling somebody last week that my family that I was visiting,

0:57:28they were asking what box we had and what about the new Apple TV.

0:57:33I said, "Honestly, we don't use much of it because we use the TiVo and the TiVo has our

0:57:38TiVo not only record stuff off of TV, but it streams YouTube and it streams Netflix

0:57:43and Hulu and Amazon video." So I don't use my existing Apple TV very much and we'll see

0:57:50if this changes that.

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1:01:45Uh, Brant said, "Is AppleCare worth it for the new Apple TV?"

1:01:49[imitates laser noises]

1:01:51Do you buy AppleCare for things, Myke?

1:01:53Uh, some things. I buy them for the phones because I could drop them and break them.

1:01:59Um, and I buy them for bigger computer purchases because they're expensive to replace.

1:02:05Maybe fixed, too.

1:02:06So I have AppleCare on the iMac and I have AppleCare on my iPhone.

1:02:10So what do you think for this?

1:02:12I would say no for the Apple TV because it's relatively inexpensive to replace and it stays

1:02:17stationary.

1:02:18Yeah, you're not carrying it around. It's also small, it's not particularly heavy,

1:02:23and yeah. And again, if it fails in the first whatever year or two, it's going to be covered

1:02:30by the standard warranty, so if there are production problems or something, you're going

1:02:33going to be covered regardless. I asked you that because I don't have AppleCare on anything.

1:02:38At all. I'm a bad person to ask about this. No, not at all. Interesting. Because yeah, I kind of

1:02:44follow one of those two things, right? So it's the idea of, it doesn't move around a lot, or is it

1:02:53really expensive? And if one of those answers is yes, then I will probably get AppleCare.

1:02:59Yeah, I'm an AppleCare Never. I don't know.

1:03:02I mean, it probably works out better for you in the long run, because the money you've

1:03:05saved on not buying AppleCare will do a replacement, where I've never taken anything in for a repair.

1:03:13But when I'm... it's like the same with me buying all those devices. When I'm spending

1:03:18a ridiculous amount of money on something, adding that price on usually isn't that much

1:03:23of the overall percentage of the price, you know?

1:03:26Mm-hmm.

1:03:27spending 700 pounds on a phone, adding another like 99 on for the protection of it doesn't

1:03:33seem too bad, you know?

1:03:35>> Yeah, it's fine. I get it. I just, at this point, I feel like I'm way ahead. But yeah,

1:03:44I've never had it. I don't know. If, you know, if I do the Apple, if I do that Apple phone

1:03:51replacement thing, that would be the first time. If I do that plan, which I probably

1:03:55probably won't, but if I did that, that would be the first time I'd had AppleCare.

1:03:58You could say, "No, I don't want it! You take that away from me!"

1:04:02That may be one of the reasons why I just buy the full-price phone instead of doing

1:04:06their installment plan. It's like, "I'm not paying for your AppleCare! I want your AppleCare!

1:04:10Get that AppleCare away from me! It's smelly!"

1:04:15Jonathan tweeted at us and included a link to a YouTube video, which I will include in

1:04:20the show notes, and Jonathan said, "I stayed up until 3am for this. Should the other person

1:04:25Jonathan, why? I hope you had other things going on.

1:04:29Me too. Should Apple Watch not animate back an hour more elegantly?

1:04:34So what Jonathan I believe is in the UK and you guys just had your time change, we don't

1:04:38have ours until this week.

1:04:39Well somewhere, maybe in the UK, somewhere in Europe.

1:04:42Okay somewhere in Europe, alright.

1:04:44Or maybe another part of the world because America decided a few years ago that they

1:04:47wanted to change, anyway.

1:04:51For the trick-or-treaters, Myke, it's to keep the trick-or-treaters safe.

1:04:55That is a... we're not gonna go down this.

1:04:58That is actually the reason.

1:04:59That is actually the reason.

1:05:01Okay.

1:05:02Okay, anyway.

1:05:05I hate this, by the way.

1:05:06Because right now we're a week off.

1:05:09So you go in a week.

1:05:11The worst one is on the other side of the year where it's three weeks of difference.

1:05:14And it's everything goes later.

1:05:16Everything is earlier for me now.

1:05:17Anyway.

1:05:18I'll complain about that in about six months time.

1:05:21What happens is...

1:05:22Like clockwork.

1:05:24This isn't like clockwork, what happens on the Apple Watch.

1:05:27It's like the opposite of clockwork.

1:05:30So what happens is when the time changes, there's no animation, so it just goes from

1:05:35three to two in like a flash.

1:05:37If you have ever changed time zones, so you've maybe flown somewhere and seen what happens

1:05:41to your Apple Watch, it's the same thing.

1:05:44So when I got off the plane and my phone came back to life, there wasn't a delightful spinning

1:05:49animation or anything like that where the watch finds its new time it just

1:05:53goes and like just in a quick of a flash and then it's just the new time and I

1:05:57really feel like they could animate it because the animation exists because the

1:06:00animation happens when you go into the changing watch faces thing because it

1:06:05always goes to that standard watch time of like what is it nine minutes past 10

1:06:10and then when you put it back in again it all kind of just flows back you know

1:06:15if all the hands move until it goes back to the correct time yeah you're right

1:06:18But they don't do this for time zone changes.

1:06:22And I really wish that they would.

1:06:24- I agree with you.

1:06:24It would be fun.

1:06:25Maybe they could even do it where you actually see

1:06:27the minute hand rotate all the way around.

1:06:31Like an old time movie of like the passage of time.

1:06:35(mimics music)

1:06:37Right?

1:06:38That would be fun. - I think that would be nice.

1:06:38I don't know why you wouldn't do that.

1:06:40I feel like you should just do that

1:06:43because it's one of those things.

1:06:45- It's just a little touch.

1:06:48It's like the Steve Jobs thing about how you make the wood on the back, on the furniture

1:06:52that goes against the wall, you make the back look good even though nobody's going to see

1:06:56it because it's just a little detail and it's not going to be appreciated by a lot of people.

1:07:00But in this case, you're exactly right.

1:07:02They already have an animation to do this.

1:07:03Why wouldn't you do that?

1:07:04Because people are changing time zones all the time.

1:07:07They're probably not staring at their watch at two in the morning or three in the morning,

1:07:11whatever it is, in order to watch their watch change automatically during a daylight saving

1:07:17switch over but still if they are, reward them.

1:07:22Yeah, but also I feel like any time somebody changes time zone on a plane, they will always

1:07:30look at their watch to ensure that it's changed.

1:07:32That's true.

1:07:33So I reckon a large majority of people see that non-animation happen.

1:07:39Time zone gate.

1:07:40It's starting right here.

1:07:41If anybody out there is working in the watch team, could be, you now know this.

1:07:47So if you change it, I'll know you did it for me.

1:07:49All right.

1:07:50Just want you to know that.

1:07:51I'll know and we will have that link forever.

1:07:55I will point out that Apple has struggled with time zones on iOS for a while now and

1:08:00daylight savings time and alarms being broken and stuff like that.

1:08:04So the fact that it worked, don't get me wrong, very happy that it worked, but I would like

1:08:09this animation.

1:08:10- Jason, Ed wrote in to ask if your photos book

1:08:13contains any tips on transitioning from Lightroom,

1:08:16and if not, is there a resource that you recommend?

1:08:18- Why did you read this one?

1:08:21- Because if it doesn't, I still wanted to plug your book.

1:08:25If it does, we're plugging your book.

1:08:27- Thanks for asking, Ed.

1:08:29No, my book contains nothing about Lightroom.

1:08:33I've not heard from a lot of people

1:08:36transitioning from Lightroom to photos.

1:08:38that's actually kind of a new one to me.

1:08:40I don't use Lightroom even though I have it

1:08:42because I have the Adobe Photoshop,

1:08:44you know, photos bundle for Creative Cloud.

1:08:46So I don't use it and I don't know anything about it.

1:08:49And I don't know if somebody like Jeff Carlson

1:08:52might have a resource because he's very knowledgeable

1:08:55in all things Mac photography.

1:08:56He may have something like that.

1:08:59But I dove deep into photos and I dealt with some aperture

1:09:03and I photo things 'cause there are direct imports

1:09:06from those, whereas from Lightroom,

1:09:08there's nothing supported that's direct. So that is not one of the things that's included

1:09:13in my book, "Photos for Mac" a Take Control Crash Course available at takecontrolbooks.com.

1:09:18Freshly upgraded for El Capitan.

1:09:20So this is the thing, I expected it didn't, but wanted to just give you the moment to

1:09:25plug the book, you know?

1:09:27Thanks, Myke.

1:09:28There you go. So would you suggest to our lovely listener, Ed, that he considers this

1:09:34move? Because you're gonna be losing a lot right? Because Lightroom is in active

1:09:40development, like if you move to photos you'll be losing some stuff. I don't know

1:09:44enough about what Ed's needs are. He may be using Lightroom and thinking it's

1:09:48overkill and then he'd rather just go back to photos. That's possible. But you

1:09:52know photos, my impression of photos is that it's still not anything remotely

1:09:56close to a professional photography tool. It's got some more stuff now but you

1:10:01know people coming from Aperture were generally kind of disappointed and I

1:10:04I think that coming from that direction, you're going to notice a lot of things that are missing

1:10:09in a way that people coming from iPhoto don't notice.

1:10:13So I don't know.

1:10:16It depends a lot on what Ed's, you know, why he wants to switch and what he uses this stuff

1:10:21for.

1:10:22But bottom line, Photos does a great job of importing files into its database.

1:10:28And so, you know, and it will read out your metadata from your files.

1:10:34So if Lightroom, if your photos that are in Lightroom have their data embedded in them,

1:10:40you know, their location data and stuff like that, it should read those.

1:10:44I'm not sure if you can write in like keywords and things like that and there's no other

1:10:48kind of import process, nor is there enough scripting access, I believe, to make that

1:10:55an easier process, unfortunately.

1:10:57Okay. And finally today @tomato_trucks, which is fun, wanted to know if the Apple Watch

1:11:05was, Edition was cheaper, say the price of a regular Apple Watch, would we prefer it to our

1:11:11current watch? So I don't think I would like the gold shiny watch. Like if I did like a gold watch,

1:11:17I could buy the gold sport, right? Now that we have the gold sport, yeah.

1:11:21Yeah. I don't really want that. What do you think?

1:11:24I agree with you. I don't think I want a heavier watch and the gold watches are heavier and

1:11:35gold's not gold's not my thing but if I did want to go watch now I'm glad that I've got

1:11:40the option I could get the gold sport if I wanted to do that so so no I I don't think

1:11:46I would want it I then again I have the sport I don't even have the regular with the stainless

1:11:51so yeah well there you go no no gold watches here sorry you don't you don't have to apologize

1:12:00unless unless someone in that watch team i just mentioned was already getting ready to ship us

1:12:06some if you are a person in send it along yeah feel free still like i i could you know hand it

1:12:13down as an heirloom christopher walken style to my kids in the future yeah it's not it's not for me

1:12:20Jason that's brought us to the end of this week's episode. I think so. I think we did it 60 60 down

1:12:24Look at that. Look at that 60 in just over 60

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