The Incomparable

332: She`s the Han Solo


00:00:00   the incomparable number 330 to December [TS]

00:00:12   hello everyone and welcome back to the [TS]

00:00:15   uncomfortable and as it's the week [TS]

00:00:16   before Christmas [TS]

00:00:17   that can only mean one thing yes it is [TS]

00:00:19   time for another eight thousand hours of [TS]

00:00:21   discussion about the latest Star Wars [TS]

00:00:23   movie [TS]

00:00:23   i'm your host Anthony Johnson and we are [TS]

00:00:25   of course going to be discussing this [TS]

00:00:27   year's so-called anthology movie road [TS]

00:00:30   one a Star Wars story which from now on [TS]

00:00:33   I'm just gonna call road one because [TS]

00:00:34   life is too short but not too short to [TS]

00:00:37   assemble a ragtag band of rebels the [TS]

00:00:39   same rebels in fact to discuss the force [TS]

00:00:41   awakens with me last year so once again [TS]

00:00:43   please welcome from Scotland we have [TS]

00:00:45   James Thompson hi there i realize we are [TS]

00:00:47   lucky band of rebels with regional [TS]

00:00:49   accents so hopefully we're gonna make it [TS]

00:00:51   out the other side of this podcast [TS]

00:00:53   oh yes yes English people always survive [TS]

00:00:54   in Star Wars I'm doomed also from [TS]

00:00:59   Scotland Liz miles [TS]

00:01:00   yeah I'm much closer to the border does [TS]

00:01:02   that mean I'm more likely or less likely [TS]

00:01:04   to die here but the more likely and [TS]

00:01:09   finally our honorary scottsdale Morin [TS]

00:01:11   I'm not gonna do an accent but I feel [TS]

00:01:13   like I have a good chance of actually [TS]

00:01:14   surviving this podcast yeah you probably [TS]

00:01:16   do [TS]

00:01:17   and before you will ask my paternal [TS]

00:01:20   family are all scots-irish so away with [TS]

00:01:22   you we should mention also right up [TS]

00:01:25   front that this entire episode is one [TS]

00:01:27   big massive honking spoiler [TS]

00:01:34   oh my goodness wow is that leaving now [TS]

00:01:37   so do not listen if you haven't already [TS]

00:01:41   seen the movie or you don't want to know [TS]

00:01:42   what happens because the chances are [TS]

00:01:44   spoiling it is well its high it's very [TS]

00:01:47   high near a hundred percent pretty just [TS]

00:01:50   be all die but I'm but first thing I did [TS]

00:01:55   want to ask all of you guys has anyone [TS]

00:01:57   have any of you had time to listen to [TS]

00:01:59   the first road wanting comfortable [TS]

00:02:01   episode yet I have indeed [TS]

00:02:03   oh well done i haven't had time yeah I [TS]

00:02:05   wanted to listen so I wasn't gonna come [TS]

00:02:07   up with anything that had been debunked [TS]

00:02:09   in there episode you see I'm probably [TS]

00:02:12   gonna do that I decided for going rogue [TS]

00:02:15   working on room Hey Ya not be holding [TS]

00:02:17   myself to anything that was said or not [TS]

00:02:19   said yeah I didn't look like don't want [TS]

00:02:21   to I don't want to hear i went on the [TS]

00:02:23   internet to look at other people's [TS]

00:02:24   opinions and I like last about five [TS]

00:02:26   minutes that's definitely outraged by [TS]

00:02:29   the whatever [TS]

00:02:30   yeah just some context for listeners we [TS]

00:02:33   are recording this on Tuesday 20th so [TS]

00:02:35   it's only five days after the movie [TS]

00:02:37   opened here in the UK and you know I [TS]

00:02:39   think less than 48 hours after the first [TS]

00:02:41   episode of the incomparable talking [TS]

00:02:43   about this movie came out so yes we may [TS]

00:02:46   well contradict things that were said in [TS]

00:02:48   that one we may repeat things that was [TS]

00:02:50   said in that one without realizing it [TS]

00:02:51   tough live with it or we can just make [TS]

00:02:54   things up which i think is college thing [TS]

00:02:56   to do [TS]

00:02:57   absolutely absolutely and so okay let's [TS]

00:03:00   go round before we get into sort of [TS]

00:03:02   because we're gonna get into details [TS]

00:03:04   obviously as we go through it but how [TS]

00:03:08   about first just some general sort of [TS]

00:03:10   thoughts and overview of what you know [TS]

00:03:13   what do we think of this as a Star Wars [TS]

00:03:15   movie did you like it do you think it [TS]

00:03:17   you know fits into the the sequence of [TS]

00:03:20   movies the modern style of the movies [TS]

00:03:22   just overall what do we think liz yes it [TS]

00:03:25   was a very very good star wars movie it [TS]

00:03:27   was very Star Wars it had weight and [TS]

00:03:29   there was great on the little ships and [TS]

00:03:31   everyone looked a bit sad sometimes and [TS]

00:03:33   it felt like proper star wars movie I [TS]

00:03:36   didn't leave the cinema with that [TS]

00:03:38   horrible feeling of sick nausea that [TS]

00:03:41   accompanied slightly earlier star wars [TS]

00:03:43   movie nausea confusion distress it was [TS]

00:03:47   very difficult [TS]

00:03:48   I this had none of that this was like [TS]

00:03:49   this is proper this is very proper Star [TS]

00:03:52   Wars fair enough [TS]

00:03:54   James what about you well going into [TS]

00:03:55   this so we knew that they could make a [TS]

00:03:57   good star wars movie and before I went [TS]

00:04:00   to see The Force awakens i watch the [TS]

00:04:01   holiday special to set my morning at the [TS]

00:04:06   lowest card sort of appetite of just wow [TS]

00:04:08   that was the right thing today it was [TS]

00:04:12   enormous disputed heavily student i went [TS]

00:04:15   into having seen the absolute worst [TS]

00:04:18   so I know it can only go up but as we [TS]

00:04:21   saw it was a really good film but now I [TS]

00:04:24   had the opposite problem of my [TS]

00:04:26   expectations were high her before this I [TS]

00:04:29   actually I played the Star Wars [TS]

00:04:32   Battlefront playstation vr mission we [TS]

00:04:35   get to fly an x-wing around and escort k [TS]

00:04:37   2 s.o bringing Jim to the rebels and it [TS]

00:04:40   was really really good so I went into [TS]

00:04:43   this with my expectations a bit too high [TS]

00:04:46   but they've actually match them all and [TS]

00:04:50   i really like 20 excellent and what [TS]

00:04:52   about you done you know it's it was [TS]

00:04:53   interesting experience for me in part [TS]

00:04:55   because i watched this movie in india [TS]

00:04:56   which was a bit of a change from my [TS]

00:04:58   previous viewing but I'm I you know it's [TS]

00:05:00   hard to know what to expect and how to [TS]

00:05:01   expect and how to calibrate yourself I [TS]

00:05:03   mean I didn't go to James route [TS]

00:05:05   I'm not not self-destructing could not [TS]

00:05:08   insane [TS]

00:05:09   yeah exactly so don't pretend but you [TS]

00:05:12   know hey and so we've never seen a Star [TS]

00:05:15   Wars movie that is self-contained and [TS]

00:05:17   that doesn't fit into the sort of [TS]

00:05:19   overall like saga you know mean sequence [TS]

00:05:24   of the the stories that are being told [TS]

00:05:26   and so it was an interesting experience [TS]

00:05:28   but i wasn't really quite sure how to [TS]

00:05:30   calibrate and so i think i spent a lot [TS]

00:05:31   of time watching with a very critical [TS]

00:05:33   eye and and in some ways maybe that [TS]

00:05:36   lesson my enjoyment because i felt like [TS]

00:05:38   i had my thinking cap on [TS]

00:05:39   I still I still liked it a lot I had a [TS]

00:05:42   good time I had some new pics which i'm [TS]

00:05:43   sure we'll get to at some point but [TS]

00:05:45   overall my impression was positive I do [TS]

00:05:48   feel like I need to watch it a couple [TS]

00:05:49   more times to really sort of let it sink [TS]

00:05:53   in but now that it's like over the for [TS]

00:05:55   the first time and that I don't have to [TS]

00:05:57   like have my expectations anymore I [TS]

00:05:59   can't think I watching for the first [TS]

00:06:00   time [TS]

00:06:01   I know what happens now i feel i can go [TS]

00:06:03   back and not have to have all those [TS]

00:06:05   expectations hanging on me so I'm really [TS]

00:06:07   looking forward to to repeated viewings [TS]

00:06:10   and see how it holds up and seeing if [TS]

00:06:12   that reinforces some of my criticisms or [TS]

00:06:15   whether they diminish over time I feel [TS]

00:06:17   like with the force awakens some of mine [TS]

00:06:19   diminished over time it became more [TS]

00:06:21   familiar but you know it's always [TS]

00:06:24   interesting see and I think these [TS]

00:06:25   anthology movies are going to be a very [TS]

00:06:27   interesting exercise for those of us who [TS]

00:06:29   follow this franchise for so many years [TS]

00:06:30   because of their their varied and [TS]

00:06:33   self-contained nature so it was that I [TS]

00:06:36   think as a first effort as that goes [TS]

00:06:38   it was pretty great and yeah I'm pretty [TS]

00:06:40   happy [TS]

00:06:41   yeah I think uh I think you'll probably [TS]

00:06:43   it sounds like you and I were initially [TS]

00:06:47   on the same page at any rate but i have [TS]

00:06:49   seen again since and that did definitely [TS]

00:06:53   sort of you know make me feel more [TS]

00:06:56   positive about the movie seeing it [TS]

00:06:57   another time so i suspect that may well [TS]

00:07:00   be the case for you because like you I [TS]

00:07:02   did enjoy I really did but i did spend a [TS]

00:07:04   lot of the movie kind of thinking about [TS]

00:07:07   overthinking things i think in turning [TS]

00:07:09   things over your head and also noticing [TS]

00:07:12   just how many things in the trailers [TS]

00:07:14   were not in this young oh yeah that [TS]

00:07:16   really bugged me the whole time I was [TS]

00:07:18   like roads afterwards and being like hey [TS]

00:07:21   this line wasn't in it that shot wasn't [TS]

00:07:23   in it right [TS]

00:07:24   yeah it was just not mine [TS]

00:07:27   I'd James were you about to mention that [TS]

00:07:29   video that I yes I was so somebody has [TS]

00:07:32   taken all the unused shots from the [TS]

00:07:34   various trailers and edited them [TS]

00:07:36   together into the trailer and there are [TS]

00:07:39   47 of them and what watching it's like [TS]

00:07:42   watching the trailer for a sort of [TS]

00:07:44   parallel universe version of this film [TS]

00:07:47   because it's so different and literally [TS]

00:07:49   none of the the shots in this is edited [TS]

00:07:52   thing are actually used but and not just [TS]

00:07:55   shots but like the shots that there that [TS]

00:07:57   there are that didn't they were in the [TS]

00:07:58   trailers that didn't make it to the [TS]

00:07:59   movie imply entire scenes my entire [TS]

00:08:03   sequences of action the just hit the [TS]

00:08:07   cutting room floor and some of them that [TS]

00:08:09   were so like front center in the [TS]

00:08:10   marketing to write like this [TS]

00:08:13   Willie's with the one of the most iconic [TS]

00:08:15   images from i think the first trailer is [TS]

00:08:18   the that last shot of her in the TIE [TS]

00:08:22   fighter in the United armor get up in [TS]

00:08:24   the circular cord or whatever [TS]

00:08:27   nope that's not in there I think that's [TS]

00:08:29   one thing might help the second time [TS]

00:08:31   i've only seen the one time I think the [TS]

00:08:32   fact that i'm not prepared for [TS]

00:08:34   roll those trailers shots not being in [TS]

00:08:36   there is not going threw me out because [TS]

00:08:38   I know that the climax i was a little [TS]

00:08:39   bit hang on a second wasn't there a TIE [TS]

00:08:41   fighter their last time I saw that yeah [TS]

00:08:43   and there was the overwhelming [TS]

00:08:45   disappointment of not having Ben [TS]

00:08:47   Mendelsohn deliver the word power and [TS]

00:08:49   that way that was pretty devastating I [TS]

00:08:52   yeah exactly that's it that was exactly [TS]

00:08:54   my experience was watching it a second [TS]

00:08:56   time without those expectations because [TS]

00:08:59   you know I knew what shots weren't going [TS]

00:09:01   to be in it now really did ya make me [TS]

00:09:04   feel better about it and by the way that [TS]

00:09:05   TIE fighter shot we should mention [TS]

00:09:07   because this only came out recently but [TS]

00:09:10   allegedly that shot of her on the [TS]

00:09:12   walkway where the TIE fighter rises up [TS]

00:09:14   to meter that was at the end of the [TS]

00:09:15   second trailer that was created [TS]

00:09:17   specifically for the trailer apparently [TS]

00:09:20   was never actually intended to be in the [TS]

00:09:22   movie which I am really angry about [TS]

00:09:25   actually I think that's really really [TS]

00:09:28   really bad thing to do here [TS]

00:09:30   yeah underhand it feels kind of [TS]

00:09:33   misleading you know it deliberately [TS]

00:09:35   misleading i mean it can understand with [TS]

00:09:36   the first trailer where they didn't [TS]

00:09:38   really know and a hundred percent where [TS]

00:09:40   they were going [TS]

00:09:41   but then in the later trailers you would [TS]

00:09:43   have thought it would have convert one [TS]

00:09:45   especially when as Dan said the the end [TS]

00:09:48   of the first trailer was her wearing the [TS]

00:09:50   tie fighter suit now obviously this is [TS]

00:09:53   star wars people dress up in [TS]

00:09:54   stormtrooper armor all the time so you [TS]

00:09:57   know there was kind of there was always [TS]

00:09:58   a sense of well she's probably just in [TS]

00:10:00   disguise but there was also a suggestion [TS]

00:10:02   of hang on she's a criminal and she's an [TS]

00:10:05   outlaw and she's a rebel kashira bells [TS]

00:10:07   is she actually a traitor nor there was [TS]

00:10:11   also that there was the line in one of [TS]

00:10:13   the trailers about you know what will [TS]

00:10:14   you become what its effect size whole [TS]

00:10:17   speech from their trailer which is none [TS]

00:10:19   of which i believe is all rights is [TS]

00:10:20   their move [TS]

00:10:21   yeah yeah but so when you have that and [TS]

00:10:24   then you end the next trailer with a [TS]

00:10:26   shot of her that appears to be her [TS]

00:10:27   leaving somewhere to be greeted by [TS]

00:10:30   somebody in a TIE fighter you know there [TS]

00:10:33   is that they can't have not realized [TS]

00:10:38   that there was an implication there that [TS]

00:10:40   possibly this is a story about yeah you [TS]

00:10:43   know about her betraying the rebellion [TS]

00:10:45   or something [TS]

00:10:46   now obviously it might not you could use [TS]

00:10:48   those exact same shots and actually [TS]

00:10:50   that's not the case at all but they must [TS]

00:10:52   have realized that that was one [TS]

00:10:55   implication people would take away from [TS]

00:10:56   those trailers and so to create that [TS]

00:10:59   shot only for the trailer [TS]

00:11:01   yes it's exceeded marketing-wise because [TS]

00:11:04   it was one of the things that got me [TS]

00:11:05   really excited for this movie but [TS]

00:11:08   ultimately it kind of worked against [TS]

00:11:11   them because it was one of the things [TS]

00:11:12   that really sort of when I came out of [TS]

00:11:15   it was watching it the first time I was [TS]

00:11:16   really kind of like I was not the movie [TS]

00:11:18   was expecting and I'm really conflicted [TS]

00:11:20   as to how i figure about it [TS]

00:11:22   yeah you're not to not to derail too [TS]

00:11:24   much with the i I've definitely had this [TS]

00:11:26   experience more in the recent years [TS]

00:11:28   watching trailers and then going into [TS]

00:11:30   movies and finding that I'm looking for [TS]

00:11:32   scenes that were that I realize [TS]

00:11:34   especially movies where i watch the [TS]

00:11:35   trailer like a dozen times like Gayle [TS]

00:11:38   force awakens or something like that and [TS]

00:11:40   I find myself looking or anticipating or [TS]

00:11:43   expecting those lines and I feel like [TS]

00:11:44   that sometimes does dampen my enjoyment [TS]

00:11:47   of movies because I'm like that got that [TS]

00:11:49   like critical part of the brain or more [TS]

00:11:51   like okay this makes sense this is where [TS]

00:11:52   the scene was brought in and so you know [TS]

00:11:54   it when you get through your waiting and [TS]

00:11:55   you're waiting and that payoff is never [TS]

00:11:57   delivered and you find yourself thinking [TS]

00:11:58   okay I'm distracted and i just missed a [TS]

00:12:01   bunch of stuff because i was waiting for [TS]

00:12:03   something I thought was coming and [TS]

00:12:04   didn't turn out to be going one of the [TS]

00:12:06   things we were advised against watching [TS]

00:12:09   the trailers by a certain I'll and [TS]

00:12:11   nothing employee who is hopefully not [TS]

00:12:13   listening to us talk right now and I I [TS]

00:12:17   now wonder if his advice not to watch [TS]

00:12:19   the trailers was not because although so [TS]

00:12:22   much in the trailers that spoil the film [TS]

00:12:24   it's that the trailers don't represent [TS]

00:12:28   was was in the film so [TS]

00:12:31   maybe that was it you know I want to [TS]

00:12:33   emphasize I really really enjoyed this [TS]

00:12:35   one even the first time around I really [TS]

00:12:36   enjoyed it it was as listed it felt like [TS]

00:12:39   proper star was just like we said about [TS]

00:12:40   the force awakens everything felt like [TS]

00:12:44   oh yes this is real star wars even [TS]

00:12:47   though i will know this movie was shot [TS]

00:12:49   entirely digitally where is force [TS]

00:12:50   awakens was shot on 35 million like the [TS]

00:12:53   original trilogy but you know this movie [TS]

00:12:58   does have several floors and where we [TS]

00:13:01   are inevitably going to talk about them [TS]

00:13:02   but i really did have a good time [TS]

00:13:04   watching it and I would rank it [TS]

00:13:06   well I would rank this so good but well [TS]

00:13:11   and especially when you hear this I [TS]

00:13:12   would write this as the fifth-best star [TS]

00:13:15   wars movie ever and on considering their [TS]

00:13:18   own there but considering they've been [TS]

00:13:19   eight and three of them are prequels [TS]

00:13:21   that may not sound like much but it's [TS]

00:13:24   because solidly in the middle [TS]

00:13:26   well the thing is the original tweet way [TS]

00:13:28   home Anthony important questions like oh [TS]

00:13:30   ok which where the rather than part yeah [TS]

00:13:32   three people here at the top of the [TS]

00:13:35   original trilogy wrote the top there on [TS]

00:13:36   touching that because you know a new [TS]

00:13:38   hope Empire and Jedi are just [TS]

00:13:40   automatically top three any of that [TS]

00:13:42   world order to get our internal whoa [TS]

00:13:46   well down had well they are they're fair [TS]

00:13:48   i decided but ok what I love rewatching [TS]

00:13:51   Empire as an adult because it's the most [TS]

00:13:53   complex movie but nothing can be that [TS]

00:13:55   joy and escapism of watching star wars [TS]

00:13:58   for the first time you know for the [TS]

00:14:00   hundredth time when I was a kid and and [TS]

00:14:03   so on down there infringing i really [TS]

00:14:04   like it i know a lot of people [TS]

00:14:06   Alan egg but I love Jedi it's a great [TS]

00:14:08   great movie in a great way to win that [TS]

00:14:10   really so take that original trilogy out [TS]

00:14:13   and then you're left with is the [TS]

00:14:16   prequels which are down in the [TS]

00:14:19   bottomless pit of hell and that only [TS]

00:14:21   leaves two other movies [TS]

00:14:22   yeah so I mean that is the only [TS]

00:14:25   important question right now is you [TS]

00:14:27   think this is better or worse than force [TS]

00:14:29   awakens I think force while I wouldn't [TS]

00:14:31   say this was worse than force awakens [TS]

00:14:32   because that makes it sound terrible but [TS]

00:14:33   i do think before I enjoyed force [TS]

00:14:35   awakens more and that's that's what [TS]

00:14:37   about the distinction I enjoyed it more [TS]

00:14:39   I'm not necessarily going to say it's a [TS]

00:14:40   better movie i think in terms of lack of [TS]

00:14:43   plot holes [TS]

00:14:44   uh-huh do things like this may actually [TS]

00:14:46   be a better movie but i enjoyed force [TS]

00:14:49   awakens more i did enjoy this one just [TS]

00:14:52   not as much i would say visually I think [TS]

00:14:55   this is superior to force awakens just [TS]

00:14:58   innovation some of the shots are put [TS]

00:15:01   together especially the like the blowing [TS]

00:15:04   up chunks of planets and stuff on scares [TS]

00:15:08   and things like that i thought there [TS]

00:15:09   were shots in this that were we're [TS]

00:15:11   really amazing and I mean I did see it [TS]

00:15:14   on imax 3d biggest cedars-sinai and [TS]

00:15:18   Scotland but but i still think those [TS]

00:15:22   stuff in this that was superior to the [TS]

00:15:24   force awakens which is not to say that I [TS]

00:15:26   i mean i think force awakens is of a is [TS]

00:15:28   a I I enjoyed it a lot more but it's a [TS]

00:15:32   different kind of film and we'll get [TS]

00:15:33   into that I'm sure but you know it's the [TS]

00:15:35   kind of the force awakens was fun and [TS]

00:15:38   was pushing all the sort of good feeling [TS]

00:15:41   buttons where is this not quite so much [TS]

00:15:43   i think it's also hit much higher highs [TS]

00:15:46   with the x-wing TIE fighter dogfights [TS]

00:15:48   and yes you can adjust to group which [TS]

00:15:50   were those were once I think I i love to [TS]

00:15:52   force we can I think that was one point [TS]

00:15:54   that movie where I felt just a little [TS]

00:15:55   bit disappointed that I didn't get the [TS]

00:15:57   thrill day even replacing them with the [TS]

00:15:59   original star wars with the fight at the [TS]

00:16:02   end it if that's I mean that's still the [TS]

00:16:04   best one really is just beautifully [TS]

00:16:06   choreographed dogfight but here i was [TS]

00:16:08   getting that same thrill this is really [TS]

00:16:10   exciting really cool really awesome that [TS]

00:16:12   didn't have the force awakens even [TS]

00:16:13   though they're yeah I do [TS]

00:16:15   Ted preference weeks just closed a much [TS]

00:16:17   much more people [TS]

00:16:19   yeah I think that's part of it right [TS]

00:16:20   like they're so there's so much there's [TS]

00:16:22   so much joy in that movie and a lot of [TS]

00:16:24   ways right exactly there was a sense of [TS]

00:16:27   elation exactly and it both because of [TS]

00:16:29   the expectation in the connection with [TS]

00:16:31   the original trilogy but also because [TS]

00:16:32   it's just the kind of story it's telling [TS]

00:16:34   right it's a heroic classic you know [TS]

00:16:36   hero's journey type thing where as this [TS]

00:16:38   is it's a war movie and it's going to be [TS]

00:16:40   a bit more dire a bit more somber in [TS]

00:16:44   some places not say it was devoid of [TS]

00:16:46   comedy or anything like that but like [TS]

00:16:47   you know i watched it not to jump ahead [TS]

00:16:50   to the ending but i was thinking you [TS]

00:16:52   know I'd showed the trailers to my [TS]

00:16:53   cousin's daughter's who are 12 and 10 [TS]

00:16:56   and the twelve-year-old was super [TS]

00:16:57   excited about it and having watched this [TS]

00:16:59   movie now I'm like man I don't know this [TS]

00:17:01   is pretty heavy for a 12 you'll be fine [TS]

00:17:04   on the disney online store in the UK [TS]

00:17:09   there's a gin so costume for kids [TS]

00:17:11   suitable for 440 thirteen-year-olds Wow [TS]

00:17:16   and there was a comment right underneath [TS]

00:17:18   it and it said our nine-year-old is [TS]

00:17:21   absolutely thrilled to be going to see [TS]

00:17:23   rogue one dressed as gin and I thought [TS]

00:17:25   oh good luck with that [TS]

00:17:28   will she be quite so thrilled when the [TS]

00:17:30   way out that that's going to be a very [TS]

00:17:32   difficult conversation on the way home I [TS]

00:17:35   don't know though because like I I mean [TS]

00:17:38   you know nine years old okay that's kind [TS]

00:17:40   of pushing it but you know young boys [TS]

00:17:42   get tragic heroes the do sort of died [TS]

00:17:46   heroically all the time in movies you [TS]

00:17:49   know maybe ok maybe not so much in [TS]

00:17:51   disney movies admittedly but you know [TS]

00:17:53   that he's a thing in fiction is the hero [TS]

00:17:55   accessorize and boys get that even young [TS]

00:17:57   boys get that in there fiction all the [TS]

00:17:59   time so I think it's kind of cool girls [TS]

00:18:01   get Charlotte's Web Charlotte dies at [TS]

00:18:04   the yes yes which isn't quite the same [TS]

00:18:06   thing [TS]

00:18:07   yeah so I think it's kind of cool that [TS]

00:18:08   we now have this female hero doing the [TS]

00:18:11   same thing the heroic sacrifice i was [TS]

00:18:13   not so much objected that is the fact [TS]

00:18:15   that like you know everybody does [TS]

00:18:16   everybody hear that girls to care about [TS]

00:18:19   during the entire course remember what [TS]

00:18:20   is actually a really loved about me was [TS]

00:18:22   was I when I realized that everyone got [TS]

00:18:25   everyone's going to die and then it [TS]

00:18:28   didn't it could be could have really [TS]

00:18:30   wallet in it could have really brought [TS]

00:18:32   it down and made you miserable and [TS]

00:18:35   really need it [TS]

00:18:37   annoyingly gritty and dark and awful but [TS]

00:18:41   he didn't it was done with it was [TS]

00:18:43   bizarre that the wiped out the whole [TS]

00:18:45   main cast it was done with such a light [TS]

00:18:46   touch and the beautiful epic movie that [TS]

00:18:50   the end that you suddenly you left [TS]

00:18:52   feeling like okay but everything's cool [TS]

00:18:54   gonna be all right any new you obviously [TS]

00:18:56   knew it is as well but it's as I thought [TS]

00:18:59   that was a really a really good thing [TS]

00:19:00   they did their that it is very dark [TS]

00:19:02   material but they didn't allow that to [TS]

00:19:04   overshadow humor or the the hope that [TS]

00:19:08   was sort of the core [TS]

00:19:09   going through the movie as well yeah [TS]

00:19:11   well any and again it is a prequel and [TS]

00:19:14   not in the sense of it was set 30 years [TS]

00:19:16   before the other movie but this movie [TS]

00:19:18   was set [TS]

00:19:18   literally you know what less than a week [TS]

00:19:20   before her you know a new hood probably [TS]

00:19:23   about five minutes before and then about [TS]

00:19:25   your enemies five minutes before yeah [TS]

00:19:27   and that is tricky i have written [TS]

00:19:30   prequels like that myself prequels that [TS]

00:19:33   take place almost immediately before [TS]

00:19:34   something else and they are really [TS]

00:19:36   tricky because there is that [TS]

00:19:38   inevitability of certain elements and [TS]

00:19:42   needing to make a story that sort of has [TS]

00:19:44   its own peril [TS]

00:19:46   even though you know readers viewers [TS]

00:19:49   whatever [TS]

00:19:50   no really how it's going to end they [TS]

00:19:52   know the ultimate outcome that is tricky [TS]

00:19:54   and I think they did largely pull it off [TS]

00:19:56   here as I say especially watching it a [TS]

00:20:00   second time I I felt a lot better about [TS]

00:20:02   it and thought yeah actually they really [TS]

00:20:04   did pull it all together quite well I [TS]

00:20:07   think they were a bit self-indulgent the [TS]

00:20:09   overindulgent on some of the fanservice [TS]

00:20:10   though no no no no more fanservice [TS]

00:20:14   leader little or no i meant something [TS]

00:20:17   that was the first time i saw it could [TS]

00:20:19   have seen it twice as well and the first [TS]

00:20:21   time I came out my feeling was I really [TS]

00:20:24   enjoyed that movie but the fanservice [TS]

00:20:28   got too much because it took me out of [TS]

00:20:31   the film too [TS]

00:20:32   don't get me wrong I like fancy not [TS]

00:20:34   enough because we had all the cameos of [TS]

00:20:37   like you know the ships and and all the [TS]

00:20:40   sort of the the feeling of styles i [TS]

00:20:43   didn't really need for them to be trying [TS]

00:20:45   to remind me every five minutes that [TS]

00:20:47   this was a star wars from yeah you know [TS]

00:20:49   I had this thought I'd just earlier [TS]

00:20:50   today as I was sort of mentally going [TS]

00:20:52   back over it [TS]

00:20:53   the things that really got like I found [TS]

00:20:56   a little jarring was the literal [TS]

00:20:58   splicing of footage from episode 4 into [TS]

00:21:02   this movie with the x-wing and white [TS]

00:21:04   wing pilots yeah and and that was the [TS]

00:21:06   moment where I thought like you know [TS]

00:21:08   okay [TS]

00:21:08   it bugged me at the time of bug me but [TS]

00:21:10   like at the time i noted it right i [TS]

00:21:11   stepped out because like i watch those [TS]

00:21:13   movies so many times I know every shot [TS]

00:21:16   from the manufacturers happy you know [TS]

00:21:17   every mustache but that wasn't a shot [TS]

00:21:20   from this [TS]

00:21:21   several of them seem to be lifted direct [TS]

00:21:23   they were unused shots they said that [TS]

00:21:25   they found a like original unused [TS]

00:21:29   footage and when they were in [TS]

00:21:31   pre-production and they so they they [TS]

00:21:33   want shots that were taken from for ok [TS]

00:21:35   but they're there they're very close [TS]

00:21:37   because obviously the camera's position [TS]

00:21:39   the same yeah and it everything looks a [TS]

00:21:41   lot and he's the same after india right [TS]

00:21:43   it's the same actors and so I guess my [TS]

00:21:46   feeling at the time was i I understand [TS]

00:21:48   why I reacted that way but I also [TS]

00:21:51   understand kind of what you did it right [TS]

00:21:53   because you have your establishing a [TS]

00:21:54   sort of continuity not to say you know [TS]

00:21:56   those characters well enough that you [TS]

00:21:57   care about them you know when you then [TS]

00:21:59   if you then watch tv watch Road one and [TS]

00:22:02   then you immediately watch watching new [TS]

00:22:03   hope say having never seen either of [TS]

00:22:05   them i can see you being all it's the [TS]

00:22:07   guy from Rhode one like you know this [TS]

00:22:08   the same fighter pilots right like so [TS]

00:22:10   there is a certain sort of continuity in [TS]

00:22:12   there so i get a mighty isis with all [TS]

00:22:15   the women pilots go yeah it's happy that [TS]

00:22:17   they all died except for the pilot stuff [TS]

00:22:20   didn't actually bother me all really [TS]

00:22:22   what what what got me with the [TS]

00:22:24   fanservice was the like ugly guy from [TS]

00:22:28   the cantina that we don't know that I [TS]

00:22:31   don't know the characters name but it [TS]

00:22:32   gets him in the mark on the bobbin dr. [TS]

00:22:34   Evans en yeah I'm come on you know that [TS]

00:22:37   was just that really was absurd the [TS]

00:22:39   c-3po and r2d2 stuck out i think yes [TS]

00:22:43   that was kinda it's gonna happen it was [TS]

00:22:45   going to happen but um yeah no I think [TS]

00:22:48   those two bothered me the most i liked [TS]

00:22:50   the subtle rebels cameos their [TS]

00:22:52   inventions yeah baby yeah and i will [TS]

00:22:55   note that it was interesting i got a lot [TS]

00:22:56   more because then when I went to see it [TS]

00:22:58   in India the movie wasn't in English [TS]

00:23:00   wasn't w anything but they also had [TS]

00:23:02   which is not uncommon in movies in India [TS]

00:23:04   it was also subtitled in english and so [TS]

00:23:07   I got basically read this movie there's [TS]

00:23:09   a lot of little also a little [TS]

00:23:11   distracting at times because I cannot [TS]

00:23:13   read the subtitles when they're on the [TS]

00:23:14   screen but you catch a lot of background [TS]

00:23:16   lines because everything is subtitled [TS]

00:23:17   and so I caught way more than I probably [TS]

00:23:20   would have had i just watched it the [TS]

00:23:21   first time through but it was also [TS]

00:23:23   distracted because i think i spent more [TS]

00:23:24   time reading the subtitles than paying [TS]

00:23:26   attention to what was happening on the [TS]

00:23:27   screen at times and I did get still [TS]

00:23:29   there was a cold for general syndulla [TS]

00:23:31   for hair snow levels but I was like yeah [TS]

00:23:34   the best character chopper appears at [TS]

00:23:37   one moment and makes little chocolate [TS]

00:23:39   Liza's someone said that i have to now [TS]

00:23:41   have to look for a good man that shot [TS]

00:23:43   per character chopper is the droid and [TS]

00:23:45   rebels he's a another device the little [TS]

00:23:48   like he's a murderous Lola homicider [TS]

00:23:52   okay physically see this is another this [TS]

00:23:56   is one of the slight issue I had with it [TS]

00:23:58   was I did feel like I was there was a [TS]

00:24:01   lot of stuff in this movie where it was [TS]

00:24:02   like they just not saying anything here [TS]

00:24:05   because they think I've watched clone [TS]

00:24:06   wars and rebels the seems to be a lot of [TS]

00:24:09   stuff that was hinted at the felt like [TS]

00:24:13   oh I should watch all read something [TS]

00:24:15   else in order to fully get out reference [TS]

00:24:18   or understand that did bother me a [TS]

00:24:20   little because I'm like you can't do [TS]

00:24:22   that really you know you gotta know that [TS]

00:24:24   the vast majority of people watching [TS]

00:24:26   this movie will only ever have seen the [TS]

00:24:28   movies and are not going to watch [TS]

00:24:30   especially an animated TV series huh are [TS]

00:24:33   you talking about revels that's probably [TS]

00:24:35   the greatest one cannot call stars think [TS]

00:24:38   Mary I'm sure it is i write comic books [TS]

00:24:41   but there is a you know there is a [TS]

00:24:42   certain proportion of people who are [TS]

00:24:44   never going to watch an animated series [TS]

00:24:46   that didn't happen for me but if that is [TS]

00:24:48   happening this should work like that [TS]

00:24:49   because it was one of things that dr. [TS]

00:24:50   all the time where they make a reference [TS]

00:24:52   that fans will spot it and then gauhar [TS]

00:24:55   very music if you're not a fan [TS]

00:24:56   you just don't notice it's just part of [TS]

00:24:58   background doesn't matter which I [TS]

00:24:59   suppose would be my litmus test for this [TS]

00:25:01   as well for me it was fine i didn't [TS]

00:25:03   really notice anything but I guess [TS]

00:25:05   especially as suppose with soul carrera [TS]

00:25:08   would be the big one that you can of he [TS]

00:25:10   doesn't feels like half a charachter [TS]

00:25:12   maybe he really felt incomplete in this [TS]

00:25:15   yeah yeah yeah I've never seen the the [TS]

00:25:17   3d clone wars series but i have seen [TS]

00:25:20   rebels so I didn't know who he was [TS]

00:25:22   apparently he's not going to be going [TS]

00:25:23   back into rebels again so and voice by [TS]

00:25:27   Forest Whitaker so so I mean it's [TS]

00:25:29   interesting to me because I think it's [TS]

00:25:30   the its kind of the inverse as with the [TS]

00:25:33   other some of the other answers is kind [TS]

00:25:35   of the inverse in the sense that we got [TS]

00:25:36   you know when we watch the first movies [TS]

00:25:39   you know there are all these throwaway [TS]

00:25:41   lines of things that obviously didn't [TS]

00:25:42   exist right like like obi-wan talk about [TS]

00:25:44   the clone wars and then eventually we [TS]

00:25:46   got the story of the clone wars [TS]

00:25:47   this is the backwards way where we [TS]

00:25:49   already had something that happened the [TS]

00:25:51   ties into it and then it gets thrown off [TS]

00:25:52   as i mentioned in a light sort of you [TS]

00:25:55   know in a live-action movie and so those [TS]

00:25:57   properties have already been developed [TS]

00:25:59   which is kind of the opposite of like oh [TS]

00:26:01   now we have all this stuff that we can [TS]

00:26:02   pull out of the movies and make stuff [TS]

00:26:04   about and it was kind of similar to with [TS]

00:26:06   the the spices you know the using the [TS]

00:26:09   old footage and spices and stuff from [TS]

00:26:11   the original movies in CGI people who [TS]

00:26:13   will get you where it's stuff like [TS]

00:26:14   rather than having you know in them when [TS]

00:26:17   they've gone back with special editions [TS]

00:26:19   and George's inserted stuff that brings [TS]

00:26:21   continuity with the prequels and we all [TS]

00:26:24   feel the way we feel that this is kind [TS]

00:26:26   of the opposite of that to write the [TS]

00:26:28   inverse version where it's like we're [TS]

00:26:29   going to insert stuff from the original [TS]

00:26:31   movie into the old movie to make it scan [TS]

00:26:34   again it's a nice continuity thing that [TS]

00:26:36   was one thing that I found odd watching [TS]

00:26:38   it a second time [TS]

00:26:39   some people have complained about the [TS]

00:26:41   location you know subtitles he sort of [TS]

00:26:46   superimposed titles are you know where [TS]

00:26:48   they are in my view which obviously you [TS]

00:26:49   don't get a regular starters maybe I [TS]

00:26:51   don't have a problem without me I even [TS]

00:26:52   saw some people complain about it [TS]

00:26:53   because of the typeface which is just [TS]

00:26:55   the left one out notably which rise and [TS]

00:26:58   then write the one location that's from [TS]

00:27:00   the prequels yeah which is how do you [TS]

00:27:03   say mr. father fire [TS]

00:27:04   yeah they didn't I exclaimed it my [TS]

00:27:07   girlfriend gave me a look it's mr. fire [TS]

00:27:11   and she's like yet I didn't even realize [TS]

00:27:15   it's mr. for until i went online [TS]

00:27:17   afterwards was reading up on stuff about [TS]

00:27:19   it that was safe to go out and spoiler [TS]

00:27:21   territory before that just click and [TS]

00:27:23   take that makes it slightly worse even [TS]

00:27:25   though even though i did get a little [TS]

00:27:27   this is bad i felt a little thrill and I [TS]

00:27:29   saw Beal got Organa and I was like how [TS]

00:27:31   its remaining calls and yet they finally [TS]

00:27:34   gave Jimmy Smith a good star wars movie [TS]

00:27:36   yeah so happy about that because he was [TS]

00:27:38   so squandered in the wheels i love to [TS]

00:27:41   this if there's there's many tight small [TS]

00:27:44   things move the accident or but what am [TS]

00:27:45   I remember the bag containing things [TS]

00:27:47   that was marvelous was the looks between [TS]

00:27:48   him and Mama Jerry Lee takes I was just [TS]

00:27:51   I was making feeling and annoying people [TS]

00:27:55   and receipt well so let's like take in a [TS]

00:27:59   movie there bro [TS]

00:28:00   not continuity with the prequels without [TS]

00:28:03   like having to rush to really remember [TS]

00:28:06   too much about it was pretty welcome if [TS]

00:28:08   you had no idea is always bail organa [TS]

00:28:11   you know if you have if you'd never seen [TS]

00:28:12   the prequels that's a good an example of [TS]

00:28:14   doing it well where those CS would still [TS]

00:28:17   because of his list says the acting [TS]

00:28:19   you'd still get ok these people clearly [TS]

00:28:22   no one another well they're obviously [TS]

00:28:24   old friends they're like they're up to [TS]

00:28:26   something and he's clearly an important [TS]

00:28:28   guy because he walks in when they [TS]

00:28:29   mention the Senate you know all of that [TS]

00:28:32   is that's really well done so you [TS]

00:28:33   wouldn't necessarily need to have seen [TS]

00:28:35   this equals to understand why his [TS]

00:28:38   character was there and what he was [TS]

00:28:39   doing [TS]

00:28:40   yeah we never seen senator panel before [TS]

00:28:42   been a couple of lines she manages to [TS]

00:28:44   establish yourself as like presents you [TS]

00:28:46   know who she is and remember her [TS]

00:28:48   I mean they also helps the costume with [TS]

00:28:50   the gold clock thingy on it and yeah [TS]

00:28:52   very precious accent but that that that [TS]

00:28:55   was a nice example of of something that [TS]

00:28:57   she could easily been a character from [TS]

00:28:59   another part of the franchise and it [TS]

00:29:01   would fit in there but as far as I know [TS]

00:29:03   she isn't and that was there and it [TS]

00:29:05   worked [TS]

00:29:06   yeah it did ok so let's talk about [TS]

00:29:09   characters then and that's you know [TS]

00:29:11   that's as good as segways any to talk [TS]

00:29:14   about the fact that he sees the second [TS]

00:29:16   okay it's not a saga movie but it is now [TS]

00:29:18   the second star wars movie with a woman [TS]

00:29:21   in the lead role in the lives we turn to [TS]

00:29:23   you first last time to talk about race [TS]

00:29:26   so what did you think of genera so I [TS]

00:29:29   love probably don't understand why she's [TS]

00:29:30   dead wife is having a theory that that's [TS]

00:29:33   ridiculous it's deeply deeply are very [TS]

00:29:35   deeply deeply obsessing and no i think [TS]

00:29:37   the character was written marvelously i [TS]

00:29:40   love felicity jones performance and I [TS]

00:29:43   look like she's quite may be underplayed [TS]

00:29:47   a little bit and that she's really keeps [TS]

00:29:49   our emotions very tight and it's just [TS]

00:29:51   because it's something that I identify [TS]

00:29:53   with that because i have to pay it [TS]

00:29:55   difficult to express myself and and it's [TS]

00:29:58   just high so nice that you've got that [TS]

00:30:00   Ray is being held up this sort of the [TS]

00:30:03   lead star wars female hero this is our [TS]

00:30:07   hero [TS]

00:30:07   there's there's another woman now I mean [TS]

00:30:09   okay yes there's Leah but in the current [TS]

00:30:11   franchise you call it's not just the [TS]

00:30:13   woman there are women and and i think [TS]

00:30:17   watching it's one of the things i can [TS]

00:30:19   after after coming out the future was [TS]

00:30:21   that the rules of generous oh and Cassie [TS]

00:30:24   and or maybe 30 years ago those would be [TS]

00:30:26   swapped around [TS]

00:30:27   yes and we've got and casting might be [TS]

00:30:30   into him back maybe she wouldn't have [TS]

00:30:32   liked killed that guy and being quite so [TS]

00:30:34   dark [TS]

00:30:35   a bit still cat we've got cassia the [TS]

00:30:38   face t love interest sidekick there [TS]

00:30:41   who's totally everything the hero is but [TS]

00:30:43   not actually the primary hero so it was [TS]

00:30:46   a no it's nice seeing something that it [TS]

00:30:48   is more often the way around seeing that [TS]

00:30:50   way around the disappointing aspect of [TS]

00:30:53   it for me was that this movie certainly [TS]

00:30:55   felt like a great deal more than the [TS]

00:30:57   force awakens which i thought if i did [TS]

00:30:59   in the current climate of television and [TS]

00:31:02   film media a reasonable job [TS]

00:31:05   this did not do so good job with women [TS]

00:31:07   and the other rules there were numerous [TS]

00:31:10   bit parts in this movie and almost all [TS]

00:31:12   of them were meal it was particularly [TS]

00:31:15   egregious in terms of the Empire the [TS]

00:31:17   entire empire is man apparently i mean i [TS]

00:31:20   know there was a cool more going on but [TS]

00:31:22   it still it was it was just got very [TS]

00:31:25   very silly the parts and I mean most [TS]

00:31:27   work when and magical sins get actually [TS]

00:31:30   his engineers came out and still the [TS]

00:31:34   there all men as well yeah anybody a [TS]

00:31:36   with it was even lamppost they're all [TS]

00:31:38   men because or some clinics like [TS]

00:31:39   gentlemen is and i'm looking at going [TS]

00:31:42   off for goodness sake seriously there's [TS]

00:31:43   like five of the mind up there you can [TS]

00:31:45   even bother to get talking women on [TS]

00:31:46   stage what what he's doing not a very [TS]

00:31:48   cannon fodder [TS]

00:31:49   yeah and and and then there were the [TS]

00:31:52   background shots i was paying a lot of [TS]

00:31:54   attention during the road base where we [TS]

00:31:55   dead did one scene that was fired that [TS]

00:31:58   get hits the bare minimum as far as I'm [TS]

00:32:00   concerned was one of the conference's [TS]

00:32:01   that had more marthoma jen and the [TS]

00:32:05   senator a senator panel talking the 31 [TS]

00:32:10   in that scene who had speaking lines [TS]

00:32:11   which I think was more left school to [TS]

00:32:13   number of men who are speaking in that [TS]

00:32:14   scene they're also women you can see in [TS]

00:32:16   the background though it was nowhere [TS]

00:32:18   near gender equality the really bad one [TS]

00:32:20   again was when Cassian came to jen and [TS]

00:32:23   said we're with you and it was like [TS]

00:32:25   every person's down [TS]

00:32:27   behind him while you're mad and I was [TS]

00:32:28   like you cannot be serious you cannot be [TS]

00:32:30   serious [TS]

00:32:31   then I going into the movie galleries [TS]

00:32:33   knew that the rest of the main castrol [TS]

00:32:35   men which is annoying and you know at [TS]

00:32:38   least let you know how you managed to [TS]

00:32:40   get two women on board that ship can you [TS]

00:32:42   not get a little bit there [TS]

00:32:43   no no and then I got really i might [TS]

00:32:46   state the first two minutes of the [TS]

00:32:47   dogfight getting increasingly annoyed [TS]

00:32:48   because there weren't any women and then [TS]

00:32:50   finally there's a woodpile and then [TS]

00:32:52   another and i think there was a third [TS]

00:32:53   one as well and so it sounds like a fine [TS]

00:32:55   then I guess but it was it was is my [TS]

00:32:58   main complaint about the movie this is [TS]

00:33:00   the sort of my big thing that means I'm [TS]

00:33:02   really annoyed but ever more annoyed [TS]

00:33:04   because it's a really good movie and [TS]

00:33:05   because it would have been so easy not [TS]

00:33:08   to do this there is absolutely no reason [TS]

00:33:09   why half of those parts those tiny bit [TS]

00:33:12   parts could have gone to women no reason [TS]

00:33:14   whatsoever changed nothing in the movie [TS]

00:33:16   other than you've got more realistic [TS]

00:33:17   better representation or people on your [TS]

00:33:20   screen and it's just it's annoying [TS]

00:33:22   because it's such a simple thing and yet [TS]

00:33:24   it's so that so yeah that's what that [TS]

00:33:26   but I completely agree for what that's [TS]

00:33:28   worth [TS]

00:33:29   and yeah there were that there was at [TS]

00:33:31   least a woman piloting a you wing and [TS]

00:33:35   another one piloting a y-wing bomber i'm [TS]

00:33:36   not sure about any others but they were [TS]

00:33:39   definitely those two [TS]

00:33:40   however the third as well but I'm not a [TS]

00:33:42   hundred percent sure yeah i don't think [TS]

00:33:44   there were any women flying x-wings [TS]

00:33:45   which was a bit yeah that was that was [TS]

00:33:47   literally a complaint my girlfriend [TS]

00:33:48   making out because she was right with [TS]

00:33:50   you listen and I agree to they are the [TS]

00:33:52   background representation of women here [TS]

00:33:54   is is pretty awful for AI it bothered me [TS]

00:33:57   that the main characters like they did [TS]

00:33:58   great job with representation of people [TS]

00:34:01   of color like that was fantastic i'm so [TS]

00:34:04   pleased about that but the again like I [TS]

00:34:07   said it wouldn't have been that hard [TS]

00:34:08   guys like you know find find some more [TS]

00:34:11   women at least for the supporting roles [TS]

00:34:12   and it's it's just that extra bit [TS]

00:34:14   frustrating because I feel like it [TS]

00:34:16   wasn't it was amazing in the force [TS]

00:34:18   awakens but it did hit my sort of the [TS]

00:34:19   minimum bar and not actively annoying me [TS]

00:34:22   kind of things like really went that [TS]

00:34:24   courts what [TS]

00:34:26   well maybe in like 10 or 20 years when [TS]

00:34:28   they do a rerelease they can just go [TS]

00:34:30   back in and digitally inserted women [TS]

00:34:32   into various roles it was a bit weird [TS]

00:34:35   though that yet because as you say there [TS]

00:34:37   was so many there are so many crowd [TS]

00:34:38   scenes even in jersey city you know the [TS]

00:34:42   word that many women in the market crowd [TS]

00:34:44   scenes and it's like really really you [TS]

00:34:46   know how difficult would have been to [TS]

00:34:49   just put some women in the background [TS]

00:34:51   there [TS]

00:34:51   I'm is very odd however mean that aside [TS]

00:34:54   i agree that I thought felicity jones [TS]

00:34:56   his performance was great i mean she was [TS]

00:35:00   clearly one of the you know the standout [TS]

00:35:02   performers of the movie and thank [TS]

00:35:03   goodness because obviously she had to [TS]

00:35:04   carry the whole thing but she does it so [TS]

00:35:06   well she has you know I think they're [TS]

00:35:08   what three really big emotional scenes [TS]

00:35:11   for her and she pulls every single one [TS]

00:35:13   of them off with aplomb and with you [TS]

00:35:15   know everything's there but as you said [TS]

00:35:18   she doesn't overdo it she kind of [TS]

00:35:19   unbranded plays a little bit I and she's [TS]

00:35:22   got that edge there's something about [TS]

00:35:25   her attitude in this movie that she is [TS]

00:35:29   even even when she after her father dies [TS]

00:35:32   and she's like right okay I'm I'm a [TS]

00:35:34   hundred percent in the rebellion now she [TS]

00:35:36   still gives it a needle there's still a [TS]

00:35:40   little bit of like defiance in there and [TS]

00:35:44   I I loved that about her performance in [TS]

00:35:46   about her character i totally agree and [TS]

00:35:48   I think you know what's nice as again to [TS]

00:35:51   elicit about not just holding up ray as [TS]

00:35:54   the only example the fact that we're [TS]

00:35:56   getting women characters and they're not [TS]

00:35:57   all the same character right yeah had [TS]

00:35:59   ray and jen i got my mage and I've got [TS]

00:36:03   my rope next I want at least played gin [TS]

00:36:07   Leia you know we all have you know [TS]

00:36:08   they're dirty they're distinct [TS]

00:36:10   characters they're very clearly [TS]

00:36:12   different and they each have their own [TS]

00:36:14   sort of journey and and i think that's [TS]

00:36:16   that's great because nobody likes to [TS]

00:36:19   watch the same characters over and over [TS]

00:36:20   again in any case but the fact that we [TS]

00:36:23   now have sort of add a more diverse a [TS]

00:36:25   list of female protagonists 2.2 is just [TS]

00:36:29   fantastic and she gets such a [TS]

00:36:31   magnificent here are as well I think of [TS]

00:36:34   all the star wars ones nobody has a more [TS]

00:36:37   consistent and in many ways the most [TS]

00:36:39   epic inhuman York because she doesn't [TS]

00:36:42   have the magic powers drawn she's just [TS]

00:36:44   got her [TS]

00:36:45   and she has these you know did the awful [TS]

00:36:48   things that happened to her the [TS]

00:36:49   equivalent of what's happened [TS]

00:36:50   ok maybe a whole planet fluently no you [TS]

00:36:52   know what I mean it's okay it's not [TS]

00:36:53   gonna remember it goes and if it goes in [TS]

00:36:57   the beautiful arc thing and it [TS]

00:36:58   culminates and you get the the ending [TS]

00:37:00   and then it's done and it's like you get [TS]

00:37:02   the complete hero story and that doesn't [TS]

00:37:05   happen a lot for you mean there's [TS]

00:37:07   obviously there's there's less female [TS]

00:37:09   hair heroes then there are male ones or [TS]

00:37:11   on the big screen anyway but just to get [TS]

00:37:13   such a complete and quality are [TS]

00:37:16   presented in a movie of the hero and [TS]

00:37:21   it's just it's really wonderful i really [TS]

00:37:22   i really appreciate that [TS]

00:37:23   I mean felicity jones i really enjoyed [TS]

00:37:25   her world-famous of course as Emma [TS]

00:37:27   Grundy from BBC Radio Four's the archers [TS]

00:37:30   well done well done [TS]

00:37:33   he is but I there was that there was a [TS]

00:37:37   story there and Tatiana maslany from [TS]

00:37:40   often black had been up for the role but [TS]

00:37:43   she had to drop because of some shelling [TS]

00:37:45   reasons and I do wonder what it would've [TS]

00:37:47   been like with her in the role I mean I [TS]

00:37:50   think Felicity Jones did it really well [TS]

00:37:52   and if I think it's you know I think a [TS]

00:37:58   lot of the but I think all of the [TS]

00:38:00   characters pretty much where were very [TS]

00:38:02   good i don't think anyone was a sort of [TS]

00:38:04   too shallow the written but yeah I mean [TS]

00:38:09   we can go through them I guess [TS]

00:38:12   yeah well dad and when we will do I will [TS]

00:38:15   say I disagree a little bit with that [TS]

00:38:17   assessment the one thing i wanted to say [TS]

00:38:18   about ginger so the character was I [TS]

00:38:23   realized about halfway through my second [TS]

00:38:26   viewing the because there were a lot of [TS]

00:38:28   people looked obviously at the sort of [TS]

00:38:30   look at the characters and yes the sort [TS]

00:38:33   of gender split more have you and a lot [TS]

00:38:35   of people were saying oh well you know [TS]

00:38:37   Cassie and he's the sort of much how [TS]

00:38:39   people said poe dameron was clearly this [TS]

00:38:40   other hand solo substitute in that movie [TS]

00:38:43   people are saying the calcium was going [TS]

00:38:45   to be the Hansel substitution but he's [TS]

00:38:47   not well known is what is the house of [TS]

00:38:50   these moving as Lee said heat she [TS]

00:38:52   doesn't have the magic she is the [TS]

00:38:54   skeptical like defiant initially kind of [TS]

00:38:58   our don't care [TS]

00:38:59   ye rebellion i'm doing this one thing [TS]

00:39:00   and then i'm done i get my reward and [TS]

00:39:03   marriage she is the han solo and she you [TS]

00:39:06   know as a character carries it very well [TS]

00:39:08   but yeah I think that's another thing [TS]

00:39:09   that Felicity Jones carries really well [TS]

00:39:11   he's that that same feeling we got from [TS]

00:39:14   and soul of a rogue haha of being that [TS]

00:39:18   you know completely but in it for [TS]

00:39:21   herself but actually not really you know [TS]

00:39:24   and the road with a heart of gold [TS]

00:39:26   she played that so well but I mean [TS]

00:39:27   Cassie and basically murder somebody [TS]

00:39:29   within the first five minutes and you [TS]

00:39:31   know so I'm kind of sets of him as being [TS]

00:39:34   you know if it is basically just [TS]

00:39:36   adjusting the baseline if she's the hero [TS]

00:39:38   and she's Han Solo then the Han Solo's [TS]

00:39:41   need to be dollars not there's no you [TS]

00:39:44   did to me about who shot first here yeah [TS]

00:39:46   that's right like a good I guy didn't [TS]

00:39:48   even try and shoot it wasn't even on the [TS]

00:39:51   weekend we say a word with to my casting [TS]

00:39:52   I was gonna move on to cassia next year [TS]

00:39:54   so what are your thoughts on him you [TS]

00:39:55   know I first sort of like proper Latino [TS]

00:39:59   lead in the Star Wars movie i really [TS]

00:40:02   like Diego Luna I think he he does a [TS]

00:40:04   great job with what he's given here and [TS]

00:40:06   i joined his performance i enjoyed the [TS]

00:40:08   chemistry between him and felicity jones [TS]

00:40:10   i think they did really well in that my [TS]

00:40:12   biggest complaint about this character [TS]

00:40:14   is that I feel like his arc is kind of [TS]

00:40:17   muddy because he starts out as a you [TS]

00:40:21   know he's this is basically you know [TS]

00:40:24   intelligence officer / assassin is [TS]

00:40:26   timeless and he's just like a guy he's [TS]

00:40:28   there he's getting stuff done but he's [TS]

00:40:30   not really even though he's committed to [TS]

00:40:31   the rebellion he doesn't seem like an [TS]

00:40:33   idealist he seems like the dirty workz [TS]

00:40:35   guy that you write you called do the [TS]

00:40:36   dirty jobs and he signed up as committed [TS]

00:40:38   as far as that goes but he's not really [TS]

00:40:40   like he doesn't he's not an idealist he [TS]

00:40:42   doesn't have a lot of hope and I find [TS]

00:40:45   that I guess you know make sense for his [TS]

00:40:47   art to sort of go further and sort of [TS]

00:40:51   redeem his character in that way and it [TS]

00:40:53   may in certain ways but I didn't fully [TS]

00:40:55   buy in to his conversion I didn't fully [TS]

00:40:59   buy into the idea of like they're some [TS]

00:41:02   people talking about like you know sort [TS]

00:41:03   of an end justifies the means approach [TS]

00:41:05   with him and I didn't really feel like [TS]

00:41:06   there was a reason for him to come to [TS]

00:41:08   this epiphany like oh man maybe I [TS]

00:41:10   shouldn't be killing people like they [TS]

00:41:12   try to [TS]

00:41:12   pin that all the scene where he's [TS]

00:41:14   deciding whether or not to kill Galen [TS]

00:41:16   and I felt that it was a bit weak [TS]

00:41:19   it just needed to be tightened up for me [TS]

00:41:21   I think there was too much extraneous [TS]

00:41:23   and like I said I feel like it just got [TS]

00:41:24   kinda fuzzy like if you're gonna do that [TS]

00:41:27   is arcing needed to be a little more [TS]

00:41:28   beat beat beat rather than just sort of [TS]

00:41:31   like beat we're so I i liked a lot about [TS]

00:41:36   it but like I felt that it needed some [TS]

00:41:38   either some editing or slight tweaking [TS]

00:41:40   it i reluctantly agree with that it does [TS]

00:41:43   feel it just wasn't didn't have a Jake's [TS]

00:41:44   clean edge to it and geeks are you can [TS]

00:41:48   see what they're trying to go for but it [TS]

00:41:49   just didn't it didn't grab me to explain [TS]

00:41:51   later and that there was no good reason [TS]

00:41:53   given for him not pulling that trigger [TS]

00:41:56   yeah that's the thing that struck me was [TS]

00:41:58   like there is no you know you don't see [TS]

00:42:00   any kind of changing his attitude and [TS]

00:42:03   you can see what they're going for that [TS]

00:42:04   were presented with this really hard but [TS]

00:42:06   an intelligence officer grown down by [TS]

00:42:08   the awful things he had to do and here [TS]

00:42:10   comes Jenn who's some Pope is I'm a [TS]

00:42:12   little butt back towards the light and [TS]

00:42:14   he starts to have ideas but it didn't [TS]

00:42:16   really hit hard like that I thought it [TS]

00:42:20   was partially that he was watching what [TS]

00:42:22   was going on on that platform and he saw [TS]

00:42:25   the the you know the shooting all the [TS]

00:42:28   the scientists and galen basically [TS]

00:42:31   inserting himself between them him in [TS]

00:42:34   the scientists and all that and I think [TS]

00:42:36   he in my headcanon anyway he looked at [TS]

00:42:38   that scene and thought hmm maybe this [TS]

00:42:40   isn't a bad guy after all [TS]

00:42:42   why do I have these orders to shoot [TS]

00:42:43   maybe so cannon is the best thing Mike [TS]

00:42:47   my girlfriend a similar feeling of it [TS]

00:42:49   when we are discussing this afterwards [TS]

00:42:50   and I kind of see that but also the [TS]

00:42:52   setup of the scene is a bit contrived [TS]

00:42:53   and like I can't get a shot [TS]

00:42:55   oh i guess i have to wait and when he [TS]

00:42:57   does get his shot is like oh there's [TS]

00:42:58   other things i'm gonna watch what's [TS]

00:42:59   going on here you know like again i [TS]

00:43:01   think it was it felt like a scene you [TS]

00:43:05   you could feel the writer string is [TS]

00:43:06   pulling their yeah why do they have [TS]

00:43:08   their meetings outside that's generally [TS]

00:43:10   what I'm action from Ella's or force [TS]

00:43:15   field all roofs the conference room was [TS]

00:43:18   booked out so they're magic shows a [TS]

00:43:21   small party in the conference room [TS]

00:43:23   arsenic is a man [TS]

00:43:24   you appreciate a dramatic backdrop to [TS]

00:43:26   his meetings [TS]

00:43:27   yeah especially when he's gonna shoot [TS]

00:43:28   everyone yes coming in the pouring rain [TS]

00:43:31   yeah that was that's just weird [TS]

00:43:33   welcome to stay on a shallow know that [TS]

00:43:34   I'm really glad that there's a real hero [TS]

00:43:37   in Star Wars I find incredibly [TS]

00:43:38   attractive now because I'm not close [TS]

00:43:42   before my time and I just I didn't get [TS]

00:43:44   the put our and thing and if it was ok [TS]

00:43:46   but giggling I was like okay this is [TS]

00:43:49   nice this is great but yeah let's watch [TS]

00:43:51   his his back catalogue that'll be fun [TS]

00:43:54   well is that a euphemism or take it for [TS]

00:43:58   what it's worth I felt the same way [TS]

00:43:59   about felicity jones i never [TS]

00:44:01   particularly found Carrie Fisher or [TS]

00:44:03   what's-her-face right you know ray from [TS]

00:44:06   force awakens they're very pretty but [TS]

00:44:08   you know they don't want to push my [TS]

00:44:09   buttons but Felicity Jones oh yes i was [TS]

00:44:13   going to say about Cassie and what I do [TS]

00:44:14   like about his character is that I enjoy [TS]

00:44:16   his somewhat slovenly put my favourite [TS]

00:44:19   bit with him in the entire films where [TS]

00:44:20   he dresses up as the imperial officer [TS]

00:44:22   and still got like his hair is like [TS]

00:44:24   sticking out the bad least convincing [TS]

00:44:27   imperial officer ever i was waiting for [TS]

00:44:29   someone to challenge him and say that's [TS]

00:44:31   not regulation haircut and i love that [TS]

00:44:33   he doesn't care right like he's just [TS]

00:44:35   sort of like whatever I'm just wearing [TS]

00:44:36   this hat and so I I do appreciate his [TS]

00:44:39   character [TS]

00:44:40   I you know and I like the moments where [TS]

00:44:42   he is good he is very good yes and [TS]

00:44:44   honestly I i put none of the set his [TS]

00:44:47   feet as in diego luna speed as an actor [TS]

00:44:49   I think he is fantastic [TS]

00:44:51   I just feel like the the writing of some [TS]

00:44:53   of that characters r-ky wanted a little [TS]

00:44:55   more like Liz said like a little sharper [TS]

00:44:57   edge in like a little more definition on [TS]

00:45:00   saying like okay he's this guy who is [TS]

00:45:02   this kind of guy but now he's you know [TS]

00:45:04   changing his opinion now is this kind of [TS]

00:45:05   guy like I feel like that's fine you can [TS]

00:45:07   have a Redemption arc but it just needs [TS]

00:45:09   to be cleaner one but i don't think was [TS]

00:45:10   an amazing note was one near the very [TS]

00:45:12   end where he pools jen away from Orson [TS]

00:45:15   chronixx body so that she doesn't have [TS]

00:45:17   the chance to finish them off and the [TS]

00:45:20   fact that he's the one who's doing that [TS]

00:45:21   too hard time pulling her waist just [TS]

00:45:23   like commit murders or final act was [TS]

00:45:25   like that i find that pretty maybe that [TS]

00:45:27   was good [TS]

00:45:27   well and when they're having their [TS]

00:45:28   argument after you know in in the ship [TS]

00:45:32   and he you can she's doing the kind of [TS]

00:45:35   worries maybe [TS]

00:45:36   and I mean that seen that there are [TS]

00:45:38   elements to it that i found found a bit [TS]

00:45:41   you know word-of-the-day problematic in [TS]

00:45:43   the he's kind of gas lighting here at [TS]

00:45:45   first when he's she's like this is after [TS]

00:45:49   she realizes that he was about to [TS]

00:45:51   assassinate her father and she's like [TS]

00:45:53   you went to companies like oh you're in [TS]

00:45:54   shock [TS]

00:45:55   you don't know what you're talking about [TS]

00:45:56   that's that was a bit like really guys [TS]

00:45:58   but later in that scene when he's [TS]

00:46:02   basically saying to a look [TS]

00:46:04   you're not the only one who lost [TS]

00:46:05   everything you know you are not that [TS]

00:46:07   special [TS]

00:46:08   we've all been in this a long time doing [TS]

00:46:12   this and we've all lost people that we [TS]

00:46:14   loved and cared about that he did that [TS]

00:46:17   so well because it would have been so [TS]

00:46:18   easy to overdo that so really kinda go [TS]

00:46:21   huge and chew the scenery and yet just [TS]

00:46:25   sort of lose the thread of it but I [TS]

00:46:27   thought he handled that absolutely [TS]

00:46:29   brilliantly I was utterly convinced why [TS]

00:46:31   he was great also that was a great line [TS]

00:46:33   he just managed to get his whole back [TS]

00:46:35   through your cross in a single line of [TS]

00:46:36   dialogue and just left it that now that [TS]

00:46:39   wasn't an expository line I wasn't him [TS]

00:46:41   saying I've lost everything is well it [TS]

00:46:43   was him saying you're not the only one [TS]

00:46:45   who's lost everything [TS]

00:46:46   brilliant get he said that open doing [TS]

00:46:48   this since I was 6 which is fairly young [TS]

00:46:51   for a rebel which is also about the age [TS]

00:46:53   that Diego Luna started acting in Mexico [TS]

00:46:55   I believe ok talking about writing and [TS]

00:46:59   downs right i think i agree with down i [TS]

00:47:01   should say that the the problems with [TS]

00:47:04   Cassian you know shouldn't related get [TS]

00:47:07   your learner's feet and that's what kind [TS]

00:47:10   of where I wanted to pick up on what you [TS]

00:47:12   said James about none of the characters [TS]

00:47:14   with that shallow and I think you're [TS]

00:47:16   right but I don't think that he's in [TS]

00:47:19   some instances because the writers like [TS]

00:47:21   as is written days malbis for example is [TS]

00:47:24   an incredibly shallow character there's [TS]

00:47:26   nothing to him but yeah [TS]

00:47:28   jangan plays him so well that you know [TS]

00:47:32   when bring so much to the character very [TS]

00:47:34   kind of transcends the words in the [TS]

00:47:37   script and that's what you wanted a good [TS]

00:47:38   actor a good secondary character to [TS]

00:47:40   write like you don't need to he didn't [TS]

00:47:42   need to have a we need to have a whole [TS]

00:47:43   backstory right and we just need some [TS]

00:47:46   hints of it and i think the really [TS]

00:47:48   important thing is his release [TS]

00:47:49   chip with jaret wright and like you see [TS]

00:47:51   milly interact like shit [TS]

00:47:53   yeah i was at all that was nice till the [TS]

00:47:55   line right on my mouth Anthony know I [TS]

00:47:56   was really wondering usually hang on a [TS]

00:47:58   second I get this i just thought they [TS]

00:47:59   were like and monks or something but are [TS]

00:48:03   they actually a couple during the movie [TS]

00:48:04   i was i don't i did and yeah so yeah if [TS]

00:48:07   it was i've already seen the and the [TS]

00:48:10   images that people have drawn to the [TS]

00:48:13   desperate yeah yeah I mean it's one of [TS]

00:48:15   those things that's not explicitly [TS]

00:48:17   stated but maybe not tonight by anything [TS]

00:48:19   that contradicted by anything right in [TS]

00:48:21   the end yeah i did--like i thought that [TS]

00:48:23   the interactions between the two of them [TS]

00:48:25   i would easily go for a TV series [TS]

00:48:29   oh yeah if you want to do a prequel [TS]

00:48:31   movie for them that because when donnie [TS]

00:48:34   yen as well done yet the way Diane lick [TS]

00:48:36   Garrett was great he was so I love the [TS]

00:48:39   father was smiling all the time because [TS]

00:48:41   he's a holy man so he's like well [TS]

00:48:43   everything's gonna be fine because I'm [TS]

00:48:45   one with the force on the forces with me [TS]

00:48:46   so I thought that was an interesting way [TS]

00:48:49   to play but also who is just so [TS]

00:48:51   sarcastic funny i love the rate when [TS]

00:48:55   they're putting their bag origines what [TS]

00:48:57   are you kidding me I'm lying I'm yeah i [TS]

00:49:01   like the sort of element of Saturn as [TS]

00:49:05   you have been you know the sort of the [TS]

00:49:08   blind but still the best swordsman or [TS]

00:49:11   stickman absolutely and underestimated [TS]

00:49:14   by the stormtroopers of course [TS]

00:49:16   yeah yeah and that's yet the first scene [TS]

00:49:17   where we get his the taste of his [TS]

00:49:19   abilities is just it's just great [TS]

00:49:21   choreography it's just a joy to watch [TS]

00:49:23   you know didn't Donnie and of course is [TS]

00:49:25   a master martial artist and long-running [TS]

00:49:29   star and stunt guy and everything and [TS]

00:49:32   he's just he's fantastic he's so good [TS]

00:49:34   here I think he's he's my breakout [TS]

00:49:37   character from this movie audience cause [TS]

00:49:39   of comic timing was just amazing that [TS]

00:49:41   was really he could easily carry a [TS]

00:49:43   comedy movie if he wants to stop our [TS]

00:49:45   combined martial arts and comedy they [TS]

00:49:46   work together probably has done several [TS]

00:49:49   of the movie we just need to go back and [TS]

00:49:51   look at all his extensive film Arrietty [TS]

00:49:54   yeah and the ok so and those three [TS]

00:49:57   characters those three supporting [TS]

00:49:59   characters but main supporting [TS]

00:50:01   characters that we've just discussed [TS]

00:50:02   most interestingly again for Star Wars [TS]

00:50:05   not one of them had a native English [TS]

00:50:09   accent either American or British and [TS]

00:50:12   anyway although and ben mendelsohn is [TS]

00:50:14   Australian apparently but was doing a [TS]

00:50:15   dodgy English accent he's been neighbors [TS]

00:50:18   as every Australian I don't know why he [TS]

00:50:20   didn't just use natural action because [TS]

00:50:22   English accent is not all that great but [TS]

00:50:24   you know now the if the if the Empire [TS]

00:50:26   the Empire has to be your sort of over [TS]

00:50:29   how many British accent that will be [TS]

00:50:31   convincing English accent to me that's [TS]

00:50:33   what Englander like yeah it didn't it [TS]

00:50:35   didn't actually send back to me either [TS]

00:50:37   so maybe people just that are kinda knew [TS]

00:50:41   that was coming oh but my biggest [TS]

00:50:45   complaint about ben mendelsohn or they [TS]

00:50:49   get the crate character of chronic here [TS]

00:50:50   is that if anything i really enjoyed him [TS]

00:50:53   he's just hand me enough to eat like to [TS]

00:50:55   some scenery and be your hottie Imperial [TS]

00:50:58   bad guy i think the biggest problem i [TS]

00:51:01   have with him is that they put them and [TS]

00:51:03   and this is going to be you know the [TS]

00:51:04   answer we talked about they put them up [TS]

00:51:06   against Tarkin and it's like do we [TS]

00:51:08   really need to you know white guys with [TS]

00:51:10   British accents arguing over hold what [TS]

00:51:12   you got this latest accident you are [TS]

00:51:13   doing about things you could've just on [TS]

00:51:15   one of them [TS]

00:51:16   yeah yeah well and that's another one [TS]

00:51:17   thing that will get to after we've [TS]

00:51:19   discussed the carriages year so well and [TS]

00:51:22   then there was resentment character [TS]

00:51:25   Bodyrock the defecting Imperial pilot [TS]

00:51:29   who is barely in the trailers like I you [TS]

00:51:32   know I actually seen the trailers I [TS]

00:51:34   thought oh is one she hardly going to be [TS]

00:51:36   an easy going to be some background [TS]

00:51:37   character and he's like he's a you know [TS]

00:51:40   a pivotal character [TS]

00:51:41   yeah and he think of all the the [TS]

00:51:43   supporting characters he got the as [TS]

00:51:46   where they keep using this pocket the [TS]

00:51:48   cleanest character are going through [TS]

00:51:50   there that was a really satisfying way [TS]

00:51:53   through and then [TS]

00:51:54   oh the feeling of the lurching and the [TS]

00:51:56   chest of Michael's death [TS]

00:51:59   it's really cool you don't realize about [TS]

00:52:02   your gods are going to kill the ball [TS]

00:52:03   right he's the he's the coward right so [TS]

00:52:06   he gets his Redemption our community [TS]

00:52:07   home and bravery [TS]

00:52:08   yeah i think the moment that the gym [TS]

00:52:11   said to him always a casio one of them [TS]

00:52:13   said says to him keep the engines [TS]

00:52:15   running your the our only way out of [TS]

00:52:17   here for the moment they said that was [TS]

00:52:19   like yeah he's dead now I mean I went [TS]

00:52:22   into the film thinking that they would [TS]

00:52:24   probably kill everyone and I think it [TS]

00:52:26   was only at the point where kate USO [TS]

00:52:28   bought it and when you became a leaf on [TS]

00:52:31   the wind for our students acknowledge [TS]

00:52:33   that that was the point where I thought [TS]

00:52:36   all right maybe they killed the robot [TS]

00:52:39   they're gonna kill everyone that was me [TS]

00:52:41   that was the saddest death for me that [TS]

00:52:42   was the only 1i really cheered up there [TS]

00:52:44   it be to be good and I actually in the [TS]

00:52:48   cinema where I was as warriors like he's [TS]

00:52:50   a droid but he's lovable really mean way [TS]

00:52:54   he was like the best supporting [TS]

00:52:57   character rifle he did get all of the [TS]

00:52:59   funniest lines it must be sent ya an [TS]

00:53:02   ally to take is fantastic and gets the [TS]

00:53:04   note that is that is his sweet spot [TS]

00:53:06   right there and and his accent actually [TS]

00:53:08   was really good you know he's I find [TS]

00:53:11   he's actually more convincing two medals [TS]

00:53:13   which I didn't expect going in certain [TS]

00:53:18   over yeah we cater to was you know [TS]

00:53:21   another in a long line obviously sort of [TS]

00:53:23   great star wars droid characters but I [TS]

00:53:26   don't think we've really had a character [TS]

00:53:28   quite like him with that sort of [TS]

00:53:30   attitude [TS]

00:53:31   well I mean is if he's a bit HK 47 from [TS]

00:53:33   the knights of the old republic game but [TS]

00:53:35   slightly less murdering easkey 47 and [TS]

00:53:38   Marvin the Paranoid Android had a child [TS]

00:53:41   ya might be I think you said that we [TS]

00:53:42   were discussing the trailers as well [TS]

00:53:44   because hk417 one of your favorite [TS]

00:53:45   characters news [TS]

00:53:46   yes he's very very good and shiny but as [TS]

00:53:49   as Jim said much more murderous this [TS]

00:53:51   this one just doesn't have that [TS]

00:53:52   homicidal streak and the desire to chop [TS]

00:53:56   meat bags [TS]

00:53:57   he's gonna chopper a shark attack i [TS]

00:53:59   think i like that the thing that some [TS]

00:54:01   top his entire characters when he drops [TS]

00:54:03   the bag and that was the moment I said [TS]

00:54:06   yeah I don't care [TS]

00:54:08   yeah yeah yeahs some of his great large [TS]

00:54:12   key is very first line [TS]

00:54:14   congratulations you're being rescued [TS]

00:54:16   please do not resist i played that PR [TS]

00:54:20   thing the game because k 2 s.o as a [TS]

00:54:22   character and I'd heard sort of about 20 [TS]

00:54:25   minutes of alan tudyk doing lines like [TS]

00:54:28   notice [TS]

00:54:28   you do the video games as well well [TS]

00:54:30   either he does it or somebody who sounds [TS]

00:54:32   like him doesn't right but it was quite [TS]

00:54:35   quite similar kind of very droll you [TS]

00:54:37   know please rescue me like you promised [TS]

00:54:41   type of lines i like you don't worry two [TS]

00:54:45   years she shoots the other droid that [TS]

00:54:47   looks like did you know that wasn't me [TS]

00:54:50   when you shut it [TS]

00:54:51   yeah and she has course yeah because [TS]

00:54:53   he's got like little lines around his [TS]

00:54:55   arm bits that were a different color I [TS]

00:54:57   thought I recognized her when she's when [TS]

00:55:00   he says where'd you get the gun she's [TS]

00:55:01   not found it and Gators says I find that [TS]

00:55:04   answer vague and unconvincing I'm here [TS]

00:55:08   for you jen because cassia's that I have [TS]

00:55:11   to back so many good lines man i'm going [TS]

00:55:15   back to just go back to bode rock and [TS]

00:55:18   resentments character [TS]

00:55:19   I'll the one thing that like I found [TS]

00:55:23   really weird about you know it's part [TS]

00:55:25   and I'm mentioning it because it's part [TS]

00:55:27   of his character on was that sort of [TS]

00:55:29   mind flayer creation yeah that I mean he [TS]

00:55:33   was like that they implied that the [TS]

00:55:34   thing was going to completely destroy [TS]

00:55:36   your mind royalty and very active it for [TS]

00:55:39   a little while for about five seconds [TS]

00:55:41   until somebody effectively snapped their [TS]

00:55:42   fingers in front of him and he's fine [TS]

00:55:44   again and i was wondering if he was like [TS]

00:55:46   a different character before that point [TS]

00:55:48   and he would he was now sort of pacified [TS]

00:55:51   or something or it doesn't seem like it [TS]

00:55:53   given the scenes we see with him before [TS]

00:55:55   that like it doesn't seem distinct [TS]

00:55:56   enough but i think that creature that's [TS]

00:55:59   like the rathtar seen from this movie [TS]

00:56:01   like that's the that's the theme would [TS]

00:56:03   be like okay we really just need to get [TS]

00:56:04   like a crazy cgi alien in here to just [TS]

00:56:06   do something funky and work as sort of a [TS]

00:56:09   plot device but it doesn't it's not a [TS]

00:56:11   part of this because it doesn't do [TS]

00:56:13   anything [TS]

00:56:13   bleep up the purpose of it was to show [TS]

00:56:15   that soars a little bit more dangerous [TS]

00:56:18   than everybody else in Ely and mind [TS]

00:56:20   flying octopuses on and it in our [TS]

00:56:22   respective worked but then you know he [TS]

00:56:24   they really hangar lanten when he's [TS]

00:56:27   making his speech about how this [TS]

00:56:28   creature and I can't remember what it [TS]

00:56:30   was called such a ridiculous name but he [TS]

00:56:32   says this creature will be no be able to [TS]

00:56:34   tell if you're lying [TS]

00:56:36   nobody can deceive the creature [TS]

00:56:39   the only problem is [TS]

00:56:41   one tends to lose one's mind like [TS]

00:56:43   they're really hunger landed on it and [TS]

00:56:45   then there's no effect it has no [TS]

00:56:48   constantly because he didn't why he [TS]

00:56:52   didn't get his mind flight and leaf [TS]

00:56:54   Flay's if you're actively line that's [TS]

00:56:57   yeah looks a little sloppy and i kinda [TS]

00:57:00   agree that they seem to be going [TS]

00:57:02   somewhere you know with it maybe [TS]

00:57:04   distinguishing songs tactics from the [TS]

00:57:06   the rebellion as a whole but it if i can [TS]

00:57:09   say and well maybe we'll get the song in [TS]

00:57:11   a second but that's I think that's [TS]

00:57:12   another problematic arc yeah i mean that [TS]

00:57:14   is I thought that it'd mean I don't know [TS]

00:57:17   sore from rebels or clone wars or [TS]

00:57:20   wherever he's from [TS]

00:57:21   I thought that it did work in that [TS]

00:57:22   respect yet in sort of showing okay this [TS]

00:57:25   guy's an extremist and he's prepared to [TS]

00:57:27   use extreme methods that normally would [TS]

00:57:30   be beyond the pale I i think it worked [TS]

00:57:32   in that sense absolutely [TS]

00:57:33   I did it didn't I onto that entirely i [TS]

00:57:35   wanted a little more felt like again [TS]

00:57:38   they didn't necessarily clearly draw [TS]

00:57:41   that line especially because we're [TS]

00:57:42   introduced to so much of him before we [TS]

00:57:44   get the will be portrayal of him from [TS]

00:57:47   the rebellion as a whole right like [TS]

00:57:49   we've seen him several times until we [TS]

00:57:50   get the rebellion saying oh he's an [TS]

00:57:53   extremist like and it's and it's never [TS]

00:57:55   clear to me because of especially what [TS]

00:57:56   we've seen of the rebellion in the [TS]

00:57:58   original movies like they're still blow [TS]

00:58:01   itself up like it's not like is this [TS]

00:58:03   just running on exactly pacifists [TS]

00:58:05   exactly so it to me that was in a place [TS]

00:58:08   where they they didn't fully commit to [TS]

00:58:10   that that our core idea of like there [TS]

00:58:13   are some rebels who are taking things [TS]

00:58:14   further and believe you know the ends [TS]

00:58:16   justify the means or what have you [TS]

00:58:18   I feel like that could have been done [TS]

00:58:20   better in and saw as a character maybe [TS]

00:58:22   they lean a little too heavily on [TS]

00:58:24   Unknowing he wasn't and even having seen [TS]

00:58:27   the clone more episodes with him a while [TS]

00:58:29   back [TS]

00:58:30   he's not any he's in maybe three or four [TS]

00:58:32   episodes it's not like he's a major [TS]

00:58:34   character [TS]

00:58:35   okay clearly has like a a little bit of [TS]

00:58:38   an arc within that and and it seems like [TS]

00:58:40   they're intending to do more with him [TS]

00:58:42   but it's it's interesting that they [TS]

00:58:45   decided to go in this direction i feel [TS]

00:58:47   like because so much of it wasn't I mean [TS]

00:58:49   they didn't really explain likewise got [TS]

00:58:51   the whole like breathing apparatus thing [TS]

00:58:53   like you know [TS]

00:58:54   what's this replaces his legs you know [TS]

00:58:56   like it clearly he's been through some [TS]

00:58:57   stuff but like I don't know it's he [TS]

00:58:59   feels like a character of mystery and it [TS]

00:59:01   doesn't really pay off [TS]

00:59:03   I expected he wouldn't I you know I I [TS]

00:59:05   thought he was gonna come back from [TS]

00:59:06   orbit would seem like we haven't really [TS]

00:59:07   touched on a lot of stuff with him he [TS]

00:59:09   was the primary character in this that i [TS]

00:59:11   really felt okay am I missing stuff here [TS]

00:59:14   because I haven't watched the TV series [TS]

00:59:16   but it sounds like maybe not then I mean [TS]

00:59:18   you might miss some ideas like who the [TS]

00:59:19   background of his character in general [TS]

00:59:21   but like I don't believe that he I don't [TS]

00:59:25   believe that the epic his appearances in [TS]

00:59:27   clone wars are so-so substantive that [TS]

00:59:31   like that they would explain why he [TS]

00:59:33   didn't escape [TS]

00:59:34   yeah exactly i think it and i'm looking [TS]

00:59:36   now and I think it's like for you he's [TS]

00:59:38   in like four episodes so it is one Ark [TS]

00:59:41   basically I mean I took the fact that he [TS]

00:59:43   didn't escape because you know he did [TS]

00:59:45   have his breathing apparatus and he [TS]

00:59:46   didn't have his legs and he was fed up [TS]

00:59:49   with the whole just go with them know he [TS]

00:59:52   was just tired you know he does say I'm [TS]

00:59:54   tired of running and at one point he [TS]

00:59:56   says to join what does not much of me [TS]

00:59:58   left so I got that but I just don't know [TS]

00:59:58   left so I got that but I just don't know [TS]

01:00:00   I wasn't convinced by it yet that [TS]

01:00:01   overthrew losing parts of his body being [TS]

01:00:04   replaced by mechanical stuff and the [TS]

01:00:06   there was a really long shot that took a [TS]

01:00:09   while for him to take a breath of his [TS]

01:00:10   oxygen tank [TS]

01:00:12   yeah or whatever it was and it seemed to [TS]

01:00:14   be like they were trying to draw some [TS]

01:00:16   comparisons their comparison with darth [TS]

01:00:18   vader here but that never went into [TS]

01:00:20   anything which annoyed me [TS]

01:00:22   ok i thought that was the most part of [TS]

01:00:24   the the side effects on that seem to be [TS]

01:00:26   echoing that are absolutely yeah yeah [TS]

01:00:28   yeah but you don't get why why it didn't [TS]

01:00:30   lay off yes you know why was that there [TS]

01:00:33   and because they have now killed him [TS]

01:00:35   there's no sort of you know there's no [TS]

01:00:38   Avenue to I mean other than flashbacks [TS]

01:00:40   obviously with students to flight rebels [TS]

01:00:41   there's no where to find out the answers [TS]

01:00:44   to that those questions [TS]

01:00:46   yeah we got the end of that character [TS]

01:00:47   without really getting and we got the [TS]

01:00:50   beginning of that character if you watch [TS]

01:00:51   clone wars but we haven't really got a [TS]

01:00:52   big middle to that character and that's [TS]

01:00:54   problematic when you're when you're [TS]

01:00:55   introducing him as a major pivot point [TS]

01:00:57   in this movie [TS]

01:00:58   yeah it's times like that i think back [TS]

01:01:00   to General Grievous and think probably [TS]

01:01:01   six better than that haha yeah that's [TS]

01:01:05   true [TS]

01:01:05   no bar lisslow bar wow I doll I just [TS]

01:01:10   raised we completely skipped over the [TS]

01:01:12   fact there's no fun fair I thought you [TS]

01:01:13   were doing an automatic thing where we [TS]

01:01:14   just jump in its just like the movie and [TS]

01:01:16   you know it hasn't landed in media res [TS]

01:01:19   yeah there's there's no I mean you yet [TS]

01:01:22   you get a cold open which star wars does [TS]

01:01:24   not normally have [TS]

01:01:24   there's no star wars-themed obviously [TS]

01:01:26   because i saw movie has its own theme [TS]

01:01:29   there's no crawl as we predicted in the [TS]

01:01:30   trailer thing but also the they didn't [TS]

01:01:33   put star wars anywhere on the title card [TS]

01:01:36   it literally just says Road one and it's [TS]

01:01:38   on screen for like three seconds and [TS]

01:01:40   then it's gone i was super surprised by [TS]

01:01:42   that i really thought i wasn't really [TS]

01:01:43   believe there'll be a crawl but I [TS]

01:01:45   thought they would have done the maybe [TS]

01:01:46   just the likes of both rebels and [TS]

01:01:49   claymores has like an abbreviated [TS]

01:01:51   version of the Star Wars intro and I [TS]

01:01:52   thought they would have done something [TS]

01:01:53   like that where they show it briefly or [TS]

01:01:55   even just do the thing where the they do [TS]

01:01:57   the outline around rogue one that says [TS]

01:01:59   like Star Wars like they did for return [TS]

01:02:01   of the jedi and stuff like that I've [TS]

01:02:02   ever done that's Randall's on the poster [TS]

01:02:04   the plan if you look at poster it's got [TS]

01:02:06   that same thing the outline again around [TS]

01:02:07   rolling it says a Star Wars story using [TS]

01:02:10   the towers logo and that [TS]

01:02:11   kind of unexpected to see on-screen it [TS]

01:02:13   was really hard thanks to this podcast i [TS]

01:02:15   developed a detailed pain of the sort of [TS]

01:02:18   opening and my feelings but scroll they [TS]

01:02:21   wanted to see and well I that was the [TS]

01:02:25   important thing for me apparently turned [TS]

01:02:26   out to be I wanted to go straight into [TS]

01:02:28   space [TS]

01:02:29   I want to see a bag a spaceship that's [TS]

01:02:32   what we got we did although they [TS]

01:02:34   actually followed you because the first [TS]

01:02:37   thing we see is not a spaceship each you [TS]

01:02:40   think it is [TS]

01:02:41   it's triangular it's coming down from [TS]

01:02:42   the top of the screen you think oh it's [TS]

01:02:44   another spaceship like all the other [TS]

01:02:45   movies and then it turns out to be the [TS]

01:02:46   rings of the planet it close enough with [TS]

01:02:50   that ship with a ship flying across them [TS]

01:02:52   it became it got within the Venn diagram [TS]

01:02:55   of my expectations [TS]

01:02:56   I think they just wanted to sort of pull [TS]

01:02:58   the rug out of you and Gauhar we are a [TS]

01:03:00   slightly different film oh yeah yeah [TS]

01:03:03   there's no way that wasn't deliberate [TS]

01:03:04   because of the way the shadow fall's [TS]

01:03:06   it's clearly yeah that was not an [TS]

01:03:08   accident huh yeah very odd but yeah you [TS]

01:03:12   know they did on that they did for me [TS]

01:03:14   i'll admit for the first light you know [TS]

01:03:15   half a second author or just no no it's [TS]

01:03:17   not it rings and but yeah I wasn't [TS]

01:03:20   expecting the crawl and obviously I [TS]

01:03:22   wasn't necessarily expecting the Star [TS]

01:03:23   Wars theme but I was against surprised [TS]

01:03:25   that we got so little of a musical theme [TS]

01:03:29   you know we literally get like about [TS]

01:03:31   four seconds of the road one theme and [TS]

01:03:35   then it just goes bang straight back [TS]

01:03:37   into the movie so I it will talk about [TS]

01:03:38   the music for taking because i'm a huge [TS]

01:03:40   fan of the john william scores from the [TS]

01:03:42   original movies I have them all even the [TS]

01:03:44   prequels I've listened to the mall [TS]

01:03:45   numerous times and so I I've already [TS]

01:03:48   i've listened through wrote one sort of [TS]

01:03:51   once but i was honored like eight-hour [TS]

01:03:53   flight so I fell asleep a few times but [TS]

01:03:55   the the roadway music is a little [TS]

01:03:57   interesting because so there was a [TS]

01:03:59   composer attached to this Alexander day [TS]

01:04:01   spa and he left before the movie came [TS]

01:04:05   out obviously before he had worked on [TS]

01:04:06   the score and so he was replaced by a [TS]

01:04:08   michael giacchino the Aquino who is a [TS]

01:04:11   one of the club frequent collaborator [TS]

01:04:14   with JJ Abrams has done a bunch of pixar [TS]

01:04:16   movies did the John Carter movie didn't [TS]

01:04:19   star trek reboot student one of the [TS]

01:04:21   Mission Impossible movie so it's been [TS]

01:04:22   around he's done a lot of stuff [TS]

01:04:23   I've never been the biggest fan of his [TS]

01:04:25   because I think that his scores are [TS]

01:04:26   sometimes kind of thin and don't rely [TS]

01:04:29   too much on motif and theme and that's [TS]

01:04:31   such a big part of star wars that i [TS]

01:04:34   think it's tough to jump into that and I [TS]

01:04:37   well I can only imagine that it must be [TS]

01:04:39   great as a person writing a score to [TS]

01:04:41   basically have an enormous tool box of [TS]

01:04:43   like options you know from the many many [TS]

01:04:46   John Williams motifs that have been [TS]

01:04:48   around it takes relatively little [TS]

01:04:50   advantage of them there are some tidbits [TS]

01:04:52   here and there [TS]

01:04:53   darth vader's theme from the imperial [TS]

01:04:55   march and the force team makes a few [TS]

01:04:57   appearances [TS]

01:04:58   yeah some of the other musical cues make [TS]

01:05:00   some appearances but its overall mean it [TS]

01:05:03   doesn't it doesn't to me sound way too [TS]

01:05:05   straight up like a star wars score and [TS]

01:05:08   so that I guess kinda fits with this [TS]

01:05:09   whole movie you know in some ways like [TS]

01:05:11   it's clearly a Star Wars movie but [TS]

01:05:12   they're also distinguishing it from [TS]

01:05:14   everything that came before I i haven't [TS]

01:05:17   listened to the score enough to have a [TS]

01:05:19   strong opinion of it but it is weird [TS]

01:05:21   that in some ways but it kind of feels [TS]

01:05:22   like to me is when you watch something [TS]

01:05:24   that's like a spoof of Star Wars and [TS]

01:05:26   doesn't have the licensing and they're [TS]

01:05:28   like let's step into music that kind of [TS]

01:05:30   sounds like the Star Wars score [TS]

01:05:32   I felt if anything it got too close [TS]

01:05:33   without being the star wars score and [TS]

01:05:35   maybe it should have been more distinct [TS]

01:05:37   more distinct by but yeah I don't know [TS]

01:05:39   so I i I'm curious to listen a few more [TS]

01:05:42   times and see if it grows on the force [TS]

01:05:43   awakens score definitely grew on me as [TS]

01:05:46   things went you know I've listened to it [TS]

01:05:49   a couple of times now the more couple of [TS]

01:05:51   times actually the road one Sandra and I [TS]

01:05:53   do like it but I wouldn't that are you [TS]

01:05:55   still wouldn't actually disagree with [TS]

01:05:57   what you're saying I think it's not that [TS]

01:05:59   the road one theme itself which is also [TS]

01:06:02   the you know the funfair used in the [TS]

01:06:04   titles that we're for a few seconds he's [TS]

01:06:06   actually quite good and distinctive like [TS]

01:06:07   I can you know I can hear it in my head [TS]

01:06:09   now I remember after having heard a few [TS]

01:06:11   times its that is good but the rest of [TS]

01:06:14   it i don't think i could pick out a [TS]

01:06:16   single note you know as opposed to as [TS]

01:06:19   you say with Star Wars you've got things [TS]

01:06:21   like the imperial march the force then [TS]

01:06:23   the Death Star motif the you know the [TS]

01:06:25   blockade runner all that the rebel [TS]

01:06:26   fanfare all that sort of stuff very [TS]

01:06:28   Connick I mean told her I had to get [TS]

01:06:30   away from me and part of that is just [TS]

01:06:32   because we've heard them for so long so [TS]

01:06:34   many times for so many years whereas [TS]

01:06:35   this is one [TS]

01:06:36   movie and you have to assume i'm [TS]

01:06:38   assuming any way that the the road one [TS]

01:06:41   theme here which does require a few [TS]

01:06:43   times throughout the soundtrack is not [TS]

01:06:45   going to be used anywhere else right so [TS]

01:06:47   that is you know that's a tall order [TS]

01:06:49   yep now I i agree it's fun and i will [TS]

01:06:51   say that the one thing i do enjoy about [TS]

01:06:53   Michael GTG Aquino is that he his head [TS]

01:06:56   did I just found out that is actually [TS]

01:06:58   exist in this movie most of his scores [TS]

01:07:00   all the track names are puns and plays [TS]

01:07:03   on words he's very found of doing that [TS]

01:07:06   and so yeah in this one all the ones in [TS]

01:07:10   the score i had or just I just like [TS]

01:07:12   probably normal descriptive names but I [TS]

01:07:14   looked up on Wikipedia and apparently he [TS]

01:07:15   has alternate titles for all of them [TS]

01:07:17   that are all the puns and references in [TS]

01:07:20   them and so I i do enjoy his puns their [TS]

01:07:23   projected car serrated last time is [TS]

01:07:25   called something like a time two Jedi [TS]

01:07:28   yea even let you live it up jennifer [TS]

01:07:30   yeah I want to like this guy's meets the [TS]

01:07:34   school to me it was a bit like movie [TS]

01:07:36   itself had these extremely obvious [TS]

01:07:37   Kenya's every now and again where they [TS]

01:07:40   drop in a bit John Williams although i [TS]

01:07:43   do it in the movie itself [TS]

01:07:45   I actually wish they'd used a bit more [TS]

01:07:47   of that because it felt really odd [TS]

01:07:50   seeing things like x-wings and the Death [TS]

01:07:53   Star and Grand Moff Tarkin and stuff and [TS]

01:07:56   not hearing familiar motifs because it's [TS]

01:07:59   down says so much of Williams Star Wars [TS]

01:08:01   score is built around like motives that [TS]

01:08:04   that was a little bit on i kinda wish [TS]

01:08:06   they'd put them in to the movie a bit [TS]

01:08:08   more actually are and I guess that means [TS]

01:08:11   we have to talk about the the [TS]

01:08:14   computer-generated elephant in the room [TS]

01:08:16   just before we get into that are I got [TS]

01:08:19   lightly well it's the same subject but [TS]

01:08:20   people keep talking about the to cg [TS]

01:08:23   characters in the film and complaining [TS]

01:08:25   or whatever whatever [TS]

01:08:26   obviously there were three because k2s [TS]

01:08:28   oh yes is you know I wonder there was [TS]

01:08:31   more than one more than that because [TS]

01:08:33   their background cg characters all over [TS]

01:08:34   the place but in terms of the main [TS]

01:08:36   characters and you know I didn't think [TS]

01:08:38   about k2 so for a second but it's an [TS]

01:08:41   uncanny valley thing right like he's a [TS]

01:08:43   robot [TS]

01:08:43   yeah I know but it's just I think that [TS]

01:08:45   he should give some credit to the people [TS]

01:08:47   who did that as well before [TS]

01:08:49   all fair enough we may or may not start [TS]

01:08:51   complaining about the error because you [TS]

01:08:53   know he's like there was a lot of shots [TS]

01:08:55   i noticed where you know the focus [TS]

01:08:57   changed and it was all completely [TS]

01:08:59   photo-realistic no I our degree Kate [TS]

01:09:01   Kate oso was absolutely convincing like [TS]

01:09:05   one hundred percent i want much like a [TS]

01:09:07   bb8 in force awakens like a lot of bb-8 [TS]

01:09:11   in that is not all of it but a lot of [TS]

01:09:13   bb-8 is computer generated and you know [TS]

01:09:16   if if I didn't know that in my mind my [TS]

01:09:20   heart would not know if you even would [TS]

01:09:23   not see it if you know what I mean the [TS]

01:09:24   same with k2 I was absolutely you know [TS]

01:09:26   if I didn't sort of intellectually no [TS]

01:09:28   more clearly this is a [TS]

01:09:29   computer-generated character I would one [TS]

01:09:32   hundred percent believe that there [TS]

01:09:33   really was a eight-foot tall robot [TS]

01:09:35   walking around talking because he was [TS]

01:09:38   completely convincing than kudos to the [TS]

01:09:40   performances of all the actors dealing [TS]

01:09:42   with those to IVC and that's not easy as [TS]

01:09:44   the prequels have showed us and but I [TS]

01:09:47   mean you know if the human brains weird [TS]

01:09:49   thing and so we're willing to accept [TS]

01:09:51   that in place or or something like you [TS]

01:09:53   know Yoda is a puppet right and like [TS]

01:09:55   we're willing to buy into all those [TS]

01:09:56   things in a way that we have a much [TS]

01:09:59   harder time with when it comes to trying [TS]

01:10:01   to ape what makes people people [TS]

01:10:03   yeah well and that is the uncanny valley [TS]

01:10:05   and humans are hard-wired literally [TS]

01:10:08   hardwired from birth to recognize human [TS]

01:10:11   faces you know we are better at [TS]

01:10:13   recognizing human faces than anything [TS]

01:10:16   else that we encounter in our lives and [TS]

01:10:19   so that's why the uncanny valley is [TS]

01:10:22   there and personally I think it will [TS]

01:10:24   always be there at least in our [TS]

01:10:25   lifetimes [TS]

01:10:26   I because it only takes the slightest [TS]

01:10:30   imperfection as it were or actually not [TS]

01:10:33   imperfection that are quite often the [TS]

01:10:35   problem is a lack of innovations in a [TS]

01:10:37   computer-generated face for us to go all [TS]

01:10:40   that's not real [TS]

01:10:40   yeah i mean what one of the other things [TS]

01:10:42   that Tarkin was in revenge of the set [TS]

01:10:45   played by i think a human with we pay [TS]

01:10:48   grand you have to make him look a bit [TS]

01:10:51   peter cushing I've been producing but he [TS]

01:10:53   looked really weird in that as well so [TS]

01:10:56   you know that this is part of it is that [TS]

01:10:59   they're making a human but is also part [TS]

01:11:01   of it is that [TS]

01:11:01   to make Peter Cushing specific area and [TS]

01:11:04   then that one that he's not even a major [TS]

01:11:05   character right now I think it's just [TS]

01:11:07   like that don't think he says anything I [TS]

01:11:09   think he just walked in and he also [TS]

01:11:11   appears in rebels like so you know again [TS]

01:11:13   you can always look like that guy I [TS]

01:11:15   think okay but in the voice USA the [TS]

01:11:17   voice was really good i thought yeah [TS]

01:11:19   yeah it was it was a really good [TS]

01:11:20   impersonation but yet the the the [TS]

01:11:24   well it wasn't just the face that was [TS]

01:11:26   mean and this is really sort of you know [TS]

01:11:29   only something that some people you know [TS]

01:11:33   would notice but I noticed because of my [TS]

01:11:35   familiarity with this technology and [TS]

01:11:38   video games his body Lee movement [TS]

01:11:41   yeah wasn't tired there you know and i [TS]

01:11:44   know there was a lot of motion capture [TS]

01:11:45   and it was all modeled on you know a [TS]

01:11:47   real actor walking around the set but it [TS]

01:11:49   just wasn't quite right I'm right course [TS]

01:11:52   yeah facially it just wasn't a hundred [TS]

01:11:55   percent it was better than layer at the [TS]

01:11:57   end that was yeah there are but it [TS]

01:12:00   what frustrates me about it is that a [TS]

01:12:05   partly I think i actually would have [TS]

01:12:06   reacted better to it if I had known [TS]

01:12:08   going in [TS]

01:12:09   they kept it a secret and if they hadn't [TS]

01:12:11   i think i actually would have reacted [TS]

01:12:13   better to it because I'm thinking back [TS]

01:12:15   to something like the Lord of the Rings [TS]

01:12:16   and you know golem in that you can tell [TS]

01:12:20   of course is CGI but we all knew going [TS]

01:12:22   in that he was CGI and so it wasn't it [TS]

01:12:26   wasn't like they were trying to fool us [TS]

01:12:27   in any way I'd heard before happened [TS]

01:12:29   that he was in it and cgi so I was kind [TS]

01:12:32   of expecting that and I thought that was [TS]

01:12:34   the thing that caused me a problem was [TS]

01:12:36   that it got into it knowing [TS]

01:12:38   ok so that's the worst of both worlds [TS]

01:12:42   and yeah that's the side that I was on [TS]

01:12:45   whereas i avoid spoilers a movie so I [TS]

01:12:47   went in not knowing the target is going [TS]

01:12:50   to be like not knowing that the [TS]

01:12:51   kriec'tik market and I think if I had [TS]

01:12:53   known beforehand then out of being [TS]

01:12:56   annoyed and irritated and ranted about [TS]

01:12:59   it possibly online seeing how dare they [TS]

01:13:01   possibly think we can copy peter cushing [TS]

01:13:03   and terrible and awful and a disastrous [TS]

01:13:07   idea and my reaction where they give on [TS]

01:13:11   script but it's I would have jumped [TS]

01:13:13   slightly of my seat [TS]

01:13:15   add there was a lot of grinning and [TS]

01:13:17   smiling and being very fully and happy [TS]

01:13:21   and delighted all my goal but they may [TS]

01:13:23   feature kish and so yeah I i loved it i [TS]

01:13:27   mean i know it's flawed i know it's not [TS]

01:13:29   perfect it's not really Peter Cushing [TS]

01:13:31   but indications actor my favorite actor [TS]

01:13:34   and a just it was just it was amazing i [TS]

01:13:39   loved it it was just so cool i don't [TS]

01:13:43   care wasn't perfect [TS]

01:13:44   I guess I kind of end up in the middle [TS]

01:13:46   which is a like I I feel like there was [TS]

01:13:49   my biggest problem that was quantity the [TS]

01:13:51   idea that you know the fact that if [TS]

01:13:52   you've been in that first seen any [TS]

01:13:54   screaming reflection then you get the [TS]

01:13:55   voice and you get his back you know I [TS]

01:13:57   felt like oh this is just creepy enough [TS]

01:13:59   to be interesting but that's all you [TS]

01:14:01   would have needed yeah there's too much [TS]

01:14:02   more of it and then I got distracted by [TS]

01:14:04   it my girlfriend afterwards is paused [TS]

01:14:07   and said he looked like Dobby the [TS]

01:14:09   house-elf hello there are songs of like [TS]

01:14:14   close-ups on his face yeah and what [TS]

01:14:16   you've got to be really confident in [TS]

01:14:18   your so exactly [TS]

01:14:19   yeah I was gonna say that's always [TS]

01:14:20   tricky when your visual effects person [TS]

01:14:22   i'm sure you want to be like this is so [TS]

01:14:23   cool we did and I don't want to you know [TS]

01:14:25   diminish the what they did do because as [TS]

01:14:28   cgi representations of people went to [TS]

01:14:30   show it was amazing yeah pretty good and [TS]

01:14:33   it only suffers mainly from the fact [TS]

01:14:35   that it's in a live-action film right if [TS]

01:14:37   you'd seen that in a cutscene in a video [TS]

01:14:38   game and everybody looked like that [TS]

01:14:40   you'd be totally Popular's in their mind [TS]

01:14:42   you he is one of the greatest technology [TS]

01:14:44   ever seen it's tough because human [TS]

01:14:46   brains I admire the ambition from going [TS]

01:14:48   for it in deciding yes we are going to [TS]

01:14:50   do this would make targeted and took an [TS]

01:14:53   integral part of this movie and we're [TS]

01:14:55   going to show what we can do even if [TS]

01:14:57   it's not perfect and they must have [TS]

01:14:59   known we were going to get a lot of [TS]

01:15:01   stick for it and yet the route they went [TS]

01:15:03   for anyway so I know I kind of admire [TS]

01:15:05   that [TS]

01:15:06   then I am aware that if it wasn't like [TS]

01:15:08   peter cushing if it was I don't know if [TS]

01:15:11   the decided some of the character played [TS]

01:15:13   by an actor that can care less about a [TS]

01:15:15   prophet like that's terrible huh [TS]

01:15:17   I just don't think they needed a [TS]

01:15:19   character there they had and mendelssohn [TS]

01:15:21   yeah [TS]

01:15:22   you know although would have needed was [TS]

01:15:24   I they could have been a hologram you [TS]

01:15:26   know person despite their incredibly [TS]

01:15:29   advanced technology so I was an [TS]

01:15:30   undergraduate a terrible quality you [TS]

01:15:32   know I don't put any money you know all [TS]

01:15:35   they would have had to do is stick him [TS]

01:15:36   in a hologram and they could have got [TS]

01:15:37   away with it i think one hundred percent [TS]

01:15:39   for the Empire still using CRT's so ya [TS]

01:15:42   better i like the fact that they brought [TS]

01:15:45   him in there is something he's an [TS]

01:15:46   interesting character I always loved [TS]

01:15:48   Peter Cushing in new hope and I felt [TS]

01:15:51   like you know it's interesting to have [TS]

01:15:52   him as a foil there and but it'sit's [TS]

01:15:54   again part of the one problem with this [TS]

01:15:56   is we talk about the fan services not [TS]

01:15:58   just the fanservice so much as the the [TS]

01:16:00   they're bending over backwards to [TS]

01:16:02   establish the continuity in ways that [TS]

01:16:04   they didn't necessarily need to do not [TS]

01:16:07   and i think that if they wanting to do [TS]

01:16:09   that is great but at some point I think [TS]

01:16:12   they felt that they left that let that [TS]

01:16:14   overwhelm the story this was trying to [TS]

01:16:16   tell it's a very hard thing to do I part [TS]

01:16:19   of me i'm curious to know what would [TS]

01:16:21   happen if they had tried to recast that [TS]

01:16:22   character and I am aware of the [TS]

01:16:24   difficulty when you're trying to put it [TS]

01:16:25   up against the movie that you know [TS]

01:16:27   already existing takes place basically [TS]

01:16:28   it's not you know immediately after this [TS]

01:16:31   right so you can't have him look very [TS]

01:16:33   different and I ke also just mentioned [TS]

01:16:36   hard to pin somebody looks like peter [TS]

01:16:38   cushing can do people always know what [TS]

01:16:40   you're suggesting recasting I just think [TS]

01:16:42   they could have written around it [TS]

01:16:43   yes no I agree they could have written [TS]

01:16:45   around it it seemed excessive to me but [TS]

01:16:48   James will give me AKA reason why [TS]

01:16:49   there's not well know what I was gonna [TS]

01:16:51   say I actually like the fact that talkin [TS]

01:16:54   was in it because it gave you the sort [TS]

01:16:56   of office politics aspect of the movie [TS]

01:16:59   to a certain extent the fact that target [TS]

01:17:01   and basically steals the death star of [TS]

01:17:04   chronic but he you know he spends all [TS]

01:17:07   his time coming up with it and talking [TS]

01:17:08   goes oh this actually works i think [TS]

01:17:10   thatís yeah i don't like that because [TS]

01:17:14   it sort of it showed the Chronicles and [TS]

01:17:16   wasn't like that the top of the heap as [TS]

01:17:18   it were and [TS]

01:17:19   the you know dude was always a level of [TS]

01:17:21   management waiting to take credit for [TS]

01:17:24   his work [TS]

01:17:25   yeah and I think that as you said you [TS]

01:17:28   know that the initial scene with him in [TS]

01:17:30   the reflection and I thought all this is [TS]

01:17:33   this is clever this is the way they're [TS]

01:17:35   going to do it you know and we're not [TS]

01:17:36   going to see him dead on and we're just [TS]

01:17:38   going to get these glimpses and then he [TS]

01:17:40   turned around and they don't know then I [TS]

01:17:42   was like oh so you are going to do but [TS]

01:17:45   yeah I mean it i think i don't know if [TS]

01:17:49   it was the if I was just starting to [TS]

01:17:52   look for flaws and then I could see more [TS]

01:17:55   floors and I don't know yeah I think [TS]

01:17:57   that was an issue here [TS]

01:17:58   I mean there seem to be some people [TS]

01:18:00   quite a few people I'm hearing some [TS]

01:18:02   reports of who literally didn't even [TS]

01:18:04   realize he was a CG character so i think [TS]

01:18:06   a certain part of this is us you know [TS]

01:18:09   and nerds like us who talked for two [TS]

01:18:12   hours about you know what movie are we [TS]

01:18:17   gonna know is this because we know what [TS]

01:18:19   CGI is and how this technology works [TS]

01:18:21   yeah that's communication has been dead [TS]

01:18:23   for 22 years [TS]

01:18:24   you're not too hard but I mean it's like [TS]

01:18:28   you know it's like your relatives who [TS]

01:18:29   don't know how to operate the TV [TS]

01:18:32   properly and so they watch everything in [TS]

01:18:33   widescreen even-even 43 prob'ly motion [TS]

01:18:36   smoothie yeah and they can't tell the [TS]

01:18:38   difference they genuinely can't tell the [TS]

01:18:40   difference because they don't care about [TS]

01:18:42   that stuff you know and so I i think you [TS]

01:18:46   know overall it wasn't necessarily the [TS]

01:18:49   wrong decision for them to do this [TS]

01:18:51   pushing cgi because clearly a lot of [TS]

01:18:53   people didn't even realize it was CGI [TS]

01:18:55   well I mean if they if they have solved [TS]

01:18:57   it for eighty percent of the population [TS]

01:18:59   and you know next time they do it [TS]

01:19:01   ninety percent of the population you [TS]

01:19:03   know they're heading in the right [TS]

01:19:04   direction and I think this this is [TS]

01:19:06   probably the best cgi photo realistic [TS]

01:19:10   human i've seen and I don't think you [TS]

01:19:13   should understand that [TS]

01:19:14   yeah i mean i understand it was [TS]

01:19:16   enormously expensive process and it [TS]

01:19:18   would be very difficult for many movies [TS]

01:19:20   to decide we want to include this Dead [TS]

01:19:22   actor in it if we got the legal rights [TS]

01:19:24   and permissions or whatever because it's [TS]

01:19:26   just didn't have the money to do it [TS]

01:19:29   but what I one thing I really did [TS]

01:19:31   appreciate what i really i think that it [TS]

01:19:33   did I had had the whole and rode one in [TS]

01:19:37   New Hope arc here it really didn't [TS]

01:19:39   normal service two targets character to [TS]

01:19:41   have him being this one where we do get [TS]

01:19:43   to see him just being his answer to [TS]

01:19:45   everything [TS]

01:19:46   the other problem destroy everything and [TS]

01:19:48   it really added extra nasty got punched [TS]

01:19:51   when all older on Alderaan isn't like [TS]

01:19:53   some exceptional thing for him he's been [TS]

01:19:56   doing this for the past couple of hours [TS]

01:19:57   this is just his latest thing going on i [TS]

01:20:00   think it makes his death much more [TS]

01:20:02   satisfying when you see it as the [TS]

01:20:04   culmination of you really deserve that [TS]

01:20:05   target was just one planet if you just [TS]

01:20:09   got a new toy you know you'd want to i [TS]

01:20:12   don't know let's see what setting out [TS]

01:20:15   let's not setting to this now let's turn [TS]

01:20:17   it up here like you'd say about like how [TS]

01:20:22   expensive this was Liz but you know [TS]

01:20:23   these as we all know with computer [TS]

01:20:26   technology you know like the 20 years [TS]

01:20:29   ago it was also beyond most movies [TS]

01:20:31   budgets to do something like Terminator [TS]

01:20:33   2 now you get that on well doctor who [TS]

01:20:36   you know that I will also say that all [TS]

01:20:38   my information regarding it did come [TS]

01:20:40   from random stuff i was reading on the [TS]

01:20:41   internet but people be really quite [TS]

01:20:43   annoyed [TS]

01:20:44   it's ok it's not sure it was really [TS]

01:20:46   expensive i'm just saying that you know [TS]

01:20:48   that get the cost of doing that is gonna [TS]

01:20:50   come down dramatically in time there are [TS]

01:20:53   M mean ethical questions here the [TS]

01:20:56   circumstances were by the used cushion [TS]

01:20:58   and i understand that in the state of [TS]

01:21:01   California it's something that there's a [TS]

01:21:04   70-year something-or-other after an [TS]

01:21:06   actor's death before you can use their [TS]

01:21:08   likeness but of course cooking didn't [TS]

01:21:10   dying call for he died UK so that Lauren [TS]

01:21:13   doesn't apply to America in the UK [TS]

01:21:15   there's no there's no rule for right [TS]

01:21:17   I've ever heard that right about it but [TS]

01:21:20   that works too but also they're [TS]

01:21:21   Americans so they don't you care about [TS]

01:21:23   what are like this we don't have an [TS]

01:21:27   actual bird i believe a stated law or [TS]

01:21:30   statutory law about lightness rights in [TS]

01:21:32   the unit where is in California maybe in [TS]

01:21:36   the rest of us but certain California [TS]

01:21:37   that is an actual like on the books [TS]

01:21:40   there are laws about that sort of thing [TS]

01:21:41   whereas we [TS]

01:21:42   just don't have that over here but they [TS]

01:21:43   didn't seek permission from his estate [TS]

01:21:45   and a belief state's contractor [TS]

01:21:46   controlled by his secretary who gave her [TS]

01:21:49   permission for his personal don't know [TS]

01:21:51   this matter what and who gave her [TS]

01:21:52   permission and and apparently left with [TS]

01:21:55   the dead and were like weeping crying [TS]

01:21:57   over it [TS]

01:21:58   yeah it is a woman she said she was [TS]

01:22:00   overjoyed when she and she was yeah she [TS]

01:22:03   didn't care about Star Wars itself she [TS]

01:22:05   would you like to see him on screen yet [TS]

01:22:08   which reason the question of what would [TS]

01:22:10   they have done if the state had said no [TS]

01:22:12   you can't do that terrible idea where [TS]

01:22:15   they have gone ahead anyway and that [TS]

01:22:17   would have that would have been out of [TS]

01:22:19   this but I think that bad PR from that [TS]

01:22:22   would have been so so bad would have [TS]

01:22:25   been so enormous that that's the sort of [TS]

01:22:27   thing where you go yeah it's just right [TS]

01:22:29   around this you know maybe use voice [TS]

01:22:32   impersonator to have him off-screen [TS]

01:22:33   literally just audio you know and and [TS]

01:22:37   right around the rest of it and have [TS]

01:22:38   another character because I get on i [TS]

01:22:40   have to think that yes legally there may [TS]

01:22:43   have been entitled but once word got out [TS]

01:22:46   that morning planning to do that the the [TS]

01:22:48   pl blowback would be immense [TS]

01:22:50   we have had talking in rebels already so [TS]

01:22:53   you know the US now it's down to you [TS]

01:22:56   know lots of lawyers in room saying well [TS]

01:22:58   you know that's that's what actually [TS]

01:23:00   animated thing yeah yeah but you're [TS]

01:23:02   really not the actor but it looks like [TS]

01:23:05   you know that like button but not photo [TS]

01:23:07   realistically yeah like him where is [TS]

01:23:10   this and I think that's the difference [TS]

01:23:11   is that this literally does look like [TS]

01:23:14   Peter Cushing but is where I guess is [TS]

01:23:16   where you draw the line between the two [TS]

01:23:18   and i think what you know we'll see i'm [TS]

01:23:20   sure we're going to see cases where you [TS]

01:23:22   know the estate is held by one person [TS]

01:23:26   and then the other people like the rest [TS]

01:23:28   of his family say no don't know there's [TS]

01:23:30   some one person says yeah do I right [TS]

01:23:32   let's sell chocolates madre at practice [TS]

01:23:37   do we want to mention layer yeah there [TS]

01:23:39   with you know it seems like the other [TS]

01:23:41   yeah i mean that I i think that was [TS]

01:23:44   just-- i think that was just a bad idea [TS]

01:23:45   even if the cgi had been perfect on that [TS]

01:23:47   when I still think that was a bad idea [TS]

01:23:49   and that is actually lead into what i [TS]

01:23:52   was going to follow up with which Daniel [TS]

01:23:55   what about sort of bending over [TS]

01:23:56   backwards for continuity I think that [TS]

01:23:58   final scene did that and when just a [TS]

01:24:00   little bit too far i agree i I don't I [TS]

01:24:03   think it's great [TS]

01:24:04   ya got like there's a line to dry [TS]

01:24:07   I I thought that you know the I [TS]

01:24:09   disagreed with because again they did [TS]

01:24:12   the thing we saw layer from behind and I [TS]

01:24:14   thought okay they're going to do it you [TS]

01:24:16   know this way we're not actually going [TS]

01:24:17   to see you [TS]

01:24:18   yeah exactly and then we did but leaving [TS]

01:24:22   that aside I actually like the fact that [TS]

01:24:24   this because we knew that this was set [TS]

01:24:26   before and you hope but we didn't know [TS]

01:24:29   that it was gonna do you know literally [TS]

01:24:32   that the student or staff here right two [TS]

01:24:35   minutes before the start of and I [TS]

01:24:38   actually thought that I I enjoyed that [TS]

01:24:39   and once I started to see all those [TS]

01:24:42   those those guys with the funny helmets [TS]

01:24:44   on your doors look a bit familiar and [TS]

01:24:46   then they dropped the blockade runner at [TS]

01:24:50   the bottom I thought okay fine you've [TS]

01:24:52   earned that go on through it the blood [TS]

01:24:53   and the work was cool [TS]

01:24:55   the one thing i will say the one sort of [TS]

01:24:57   missed opportunity about the scene like [TS]

01:24:58   if you're gonna do it because that scene [TS]

01:25:00   is you know total fan service if you're [TS]

01:25:02   gonna do it well why not go all the way [TS]

01:25:06   why not go you know full-on cheesy [TS]

01:25:10   fanservice and when the guy says what's [TS]

01:25:12   in it one of they sent us why didn't she [TS]

01:25:13   say [TS]

01:25:14   a new hope maybe that was their light [TS]

01:25:18   that was their light allows you to sniff [TS]

01:25:20   her saying hope right because he says [TS]

01:25:22   there is she he's our only home but yeah [TS]

01:25:24   I mean you could have done that and then [TS]

01:25:26   you could have had you know artoo and [TS]

01:25:27   c3po roll into the room as well [TS]

01:25:29   everybody high fives cuz you know well [TS]

01:25:35   and ok so talking about people who don't [TS]

01:25:37   sound like they did 40 years ago [TS]

01:25:39   neither does james earl jones i saw this [TS]

01:25:42   one talks about the trailer I say got [TS]

01:25:45   voice all right i'm still terrible he [TS]

01:25:48   doesn't sound terrible he finds all i'm [TS]

01:25:51   ok with James Jones and I really like [TS]

01:25:53   that they they did so just Vader's [TS]

01:25:56   costume if you watch the read the [TS]

01:25:57   original trilogy and I'm sure we talked [TS]

01:25:59   about this in the incompetent episodes [TS]

01:26:01   it evolves throughout the trilogy and I [TS]

01:26:03   like that it's just as crappy here as it [TS]

01:26:06   is in the first movie like his cloak [TS]

01:26:08   like tied on his you can see the red [TS]

01:26:11   tint of the goggles [TS]

01:26:13   yeah his eyes I like I just really [TS]

01:26:15   enjoyed that they're like we're gonna [TS]

01:26:17   we're going to slavery it here too we [TS]

01:26:20   know what his costume looks like in a [TS]

01:26:21   new hope and it's not what his costume [TS]

01:26:23   looks like an empire or in return to [TS]

01:26:26   jedi and we're just gonna do it it [TS]

01:26:27   looked wrong to me I mean when I love it [TS]

01:26:30   it's awful but if i love it because it [TS]

01:26:32   was you know I was seeing it in on an [TS]

01:26:34   imax screen and like exact detail i was [TS]

01:26:37   looking at us like it's not really that [TS]

01:26:39   sort of grange color Roman black looks a [TS]

01:26:43   bit wider ten-dollar nylon cloak yeah [TS]

01:26:45   it's great i love it but if they gonna [TS]

01:26:48   be that slavish as you say to the look [TS]

01:26:51   of a during a new hope and then you know [TS]

01:26:54   why not be so sluggish with how he [TS]

01:26:57   sounds because jim says clouds great [TS]

01:27:00   maybe don't he's always damaging really [TS]

01:27:03   threw me out i was just like he doesn't [TS]

01:27:05   sound the same no of course he doesn't [TS]

01:27:07   he's 40 years older [TS]

01:27:09   I can't tell the difference yeah i wanna [TS]

01:27:11   get back to what Anthony was saying [TS]

01:27:12   about this being perhaps a little [TS]

01:27:13   over-the-top and i agree i think some of [TS]

01:27:15   it for me is pacing you know we get that [TS]

01:27:18   lovely shot and with gin and Cassie and [TS]

01:27:21   on the shore and you know all the [TS]

01:27:24   characters dying and then it feels like [TS]

01:27:26   there's a day newmont that should be [TS]

01:27:28   there but it's like five minutes of like [TS]

01:27:31   let's get your adrenaline pumping [TS]

01:27:32   instead and so to me the pacing is a [TS]

01:27:34   little bit off it doesn't it took me a [TS]

01:27:37   while to track exactly what was [TS]

01:27:39   happening just like like actually going [TS]

01:27:42   on because you see the people running to [TS]

01:27:44   the corridor handing the disk over and [TS]

01:27:45   like wait these guys look like the brown [TS]

01:27:47   the block right on her rip [TS]

01:27:48   we're not on the blockade runner and [TS]

01:27:50   then they talk about it being the [TS]

01:27:51   flagship but it looks like a for a [TS]

01:27:52   second I thought it was coming out of a [TS]

01:27:53   Star Destroyer and I was just like I was [TS]

01:27:56   just kind of confused about it and I [TS]

01:27:58   like how you're really trying to like [TS]

01:27:59   bring us right up to the doorstep here [TS]

01:28:01   and and to me it took me out of it a [TS]

01:28:03   little bit just because i like the idea [TS]

01:28:05   of it getting to Leia and like but I [TS]

01:28:08   felt like it didn't need to drag quite [TS]

01:28:10   as much from New Hope into it as it [TS]

01:28:13   ended up doing and to me as much as I [TS]

01:28:15   like to certain individual bits i really [TS]

01:28:18   enjoy although this contributed to my [TS]

01:28:19   concern about the darkness of the movie [TS]

01:28:21   I [TS]

01:28:21   really enjoyed the term theater scene [TS]

01:28:23   where he just yeah murders ya got here [TS]

01:28:26   i'm certainly badass yeah he's like just [TS]

01:28:29   from the moment when the the lightsaber [TS]

01:28:31   ignited and let the whole thing in red [TS]

01:28:34   just clearly were like you know what the [TS]

01:28:36   entire original trilogy because we [TS]

01:28:38   didn't have the ability to do this we [TS]

01:28:40   never really saw Darth Vader like as the [TS]

01:28:43   element of fear you know it's just a [TS]

01:28:45   monster that he's supposed to be [TS]

01:28:47   let's give them a chance to do that and [TS]

01:28:49   it's a it's a fantastic scene because [TS]

01:28:51   it's terrifying [TS]

01:28:53   you know it's like the term watching The [TS]

01:28:54   Terminator and and but it you know it [TS]

01:28:57   does feel to me like the pacing is often [TS]

01:28:59   it's like why are we watching this now I [TS]

01:29:01   don't know it it didn't quite work for [TS]

01:29:04   me as much as I like individual elements [TS]

01:29:06   of it that the only thing that didn't [TS]

01:29:08   work for me in that scene was I was [TS]

01:29:09   shouting at the people to hand the disk [TS]

01:29:11   over at all [TS]

01:29:13   stop trying to get the door open you're [TS]

01:29:14   gonna die anyway yeah like all these [TS]

01:29:17   other people just died to get this [TS]

01:29:19   discount just handing over you know and [TS]

01:29:21   you don't give another 30 seconds i [TS]

01:29:24   agree to James and I was that was my [TS]

01:29:25   main problems i was i was desiring to [TS]

01:29:28   throw popcorn screen because they're not [TS]

01:29:29   like dude you're done for here just if [TS]

01:29:32   it's not happening you're not getting [TS]

01:29:34   out of this accept it [TS]

01:29:35   try and be brave in your final couple of [TS]

01:29:37   seconds why didn't you invite the email [TS]

01:29:39   read the last couple of couple minutes I [TS]

01:29:42   don't know if I i love them i think [TS]

01:29:44   that's one of the most enjoyable 5-10 [TS]

01:29:47   minutes that I've ever had at the cinema [TS]

01:29:49   because each just because of where it [TS]

01:29:51   was a win against my expectations with a [TS]

01:29:53   really good way for the end of the movie [TS]

01:29:54   because you'd expect it [TS]

01:29:57   the scene on beach they're dead or [TS]

01:29:59   raequan it's so sad but they didn't stop [TS]

01:30:02   it kept going and it was really exciting [TS]

01:30:05   and stuff was happening and people were [TS]

01:30:07   really terrified and RC got to be [TS]

01:30:09   ridiculously scary which is just great [TS]

01:30:11   for this movie showing off what I [TS]

01:30:13   suppose arguably should be the only [TS]

01:30:14   Darth Vader seen since the other one [TS]

01:30:16   didn't really a good of I suppose been [TS]

01:30:18   removed and made absolutely no [TS]

01:30:19   difference whatsoever if you didn't want [TS]

01:30:21   to see lovely lovely james earl jones [TS]

01:30:23   deliver lines beautifully and not just [TS]

01:30:28   deliver lines but deliver a really bad [TS]

01:30:30   dad Joe [TS]

01:30:31   pun as well but also he did the [TS]

01:30:35   finger-pointing she's been like that the [TS]

01:30:37   the standard actor that they used did [TS]

01:30:39   that finger-pointing is well I guess my [TS]

01:30:41   old when I saw it I is 30 really is such [TS]

01:30:44   a Darth Vader move from the original [TS]

01:30:47   trilogy in a lesser movie you'd be [TS]

01:30:49   saying things like that rampage just be [TS]

01:30:51   the entire rest of it worth it because [TS]

01:30:53   that was amazing [TS]

01:30:54   there's like these said dude we've got [TS]

01:30:56   back 45 minute and a half here to make [TS]

01:30:59   Darth Vader the coolest villain ever all [TS]

01:31:01   over again [TS]

01:31:02   whatever you got me and they just put it [TS]

01:31:04   they just made this & & + techniques [TS]

01:31:06   that it makes a new hole better because [TS]

01:31:08   now you've got this is the context for a [TS]

01:31:10   new hope rather than ok he's quite scary [TS]

01:31:13   but we've just seen him tear up like [TS]

01:31:15   dozens of people tearing them down [TS]

01:31:17   he's really scary now so it's very cool [TS]

01:31:20   that raises the question maybe I'll take [TS]

01:31:22   an informal poll from you guys let's say [TS]

01:31:24   you know this came up when obviously the [TS]

01:31:27   prequels came out like let's say you've [TS]

01:31:29   got someone and they've never seen any [TS]

01:31:30   Star Wars movies small child for example [TS]

01:31:34   do you start with road one that seems [TS]

01:31:36   like a god no no these are you guys that [TS]

01:31:40   was why I've got my niece and nephew [TS]

01:31:43   just definitely a nice five years old [TS]

01:31:45   I'm gonna see if I can [TS]

01:31:47   Oh citizen say so dangerous for now i [TS]

01:31:51   won i don't see I think it only works [TS]

01:31:55   for us because we have seen the other [TS]

01:31:57   one exactly and I think if you started [TS]

01:31:59   with this it's like why are you showing [TS]

01:32:01   me these bills for what and not only [TS]

01:32:04   that but the tonal shift from the show [TS]

01:32:06   new hope would be so you go into a new [TS]

01:32:09   hope expecting something really grim and [TS]

01:32:11   gritty I think you vastly underestimate [TS]

01:32:13   the flexibility and adaptive miss of a [TS]

01:32:16   small child's what it doesn't have is to [TS]

01:32:18   be a small child like that's one example [TS]

01:32:19   or a slightly larger child's might I saw [TS]

01:32:22   the original trilogy in the wrong order [TS]

01:32:24   i saw Jedi first four years years years [TS]

01:32:26   and I saw Empire and then finally I was [TS]

01:32:29   like 14 when I saw Star Wars is who did [TS]

01:32:31   this who did this to you [TS]

01:32:33   I think Papa do you have their address [TS]

01:32:35   consulting side must be righted going [TS]

01:32:40   back to this point about sort of [TS]

01:32:42   fanservice and stuff the point the thing [TS]

01:32:43   I wanted to get onto there was that [TS]

01:32:45   brings us right to the one really big [TS]

01:32:47   character that we haven't discussed yet [TS]

01:32:48   and that of course is Galen or so and [TS]

01:32:51   you know arguably the the entire core of [TS]

01:32:56   the movie being fanservice in the it's a [TS]

01:32:58   it explains why the Death Star has this [TS]

01:33:01   ridiculous fatal floor its design water [TS]

01:33:07   our thoughts on that well my thought was [TS]

01:33:09   how does it explain that the next Death [TS]

01:33:11   Star has an equally love you guys didn't [TS]

01:33:15   update the plan where they don't know [TS]

01:33:17   what the Bloods they blew up with it and [TS]

01:33:19   update the plaid we just got the need [TS]

01:33:21   for only make you put a copy of that I [TS]

01:33:24   don't know talking all of the entire [TS]

01:33:26   data center for the Empire just imagine [TS]

01:33:28   the IT people going oh god y'all oh god [TS]

01:33:31   why didn't believe we have let me know [TS]

01:33:32   that we have the relays and we're gonna [TS]

01:33:35   put the floor [TS]

01:33:36   oh my headcanons did got a glaze over [TS]

01:33:39   these small things the second desktops [TS]

01:33:41   weakness is completely different to the [TS]

01:33:42   first anyway so it is clear thank you I [TS]

01:33:44   mean it's a weakness in defense of the [TS]

01:33:45   design sections wide enough to five [TS]

01:33:47   ships through because otherwise if I get [TS]

01:33:51   into the reactor yeah whole whole new [TS]

01:33:54   problem going on there [TS]

01:33:55   I like the fact that they explain the [TS]

01:33:57   flaw [TS]

01:33:58   although again it's a little I don't [TS]

01:34:01   know I again it's a little too [TS]

01:34:02   convenient for me I I think kayla nurses [TS]

01:34:05   character in general is kind of slightly [TS]

01:34:07   problematic or at least just kind of [TS]

01:34:09   he's a little bezel two-dimensional for [TS]

01:34:12   me because you know he is sort of he's [TS]

01:34:14   there to die and to do something heroic [TS]

01:34:16   in his death and he's the father that [TS]

01:34:19   must be the impact of the death into the [TS]

01:34:21   impetus for gin and so I love mads [TS]

01:34:24   mikkelsen I think he's a great actor [TS]

01:34:26   I really i do enjoy him but I I felt [TS]

01:34:30   like there was [TS]

01:34:31   he's a cipher and he's there for a plot [TS]

01:34:34   point essentially like I did not find [TS]

01:34:36   his character particularly engaging and [TS]

01:34:38   that's that's fine like he's not [TS]

01:34:40   supposed to be hugely main character [TS]

01:34:42   whatever and as far as the the weakness [TS]

01:34:46   goes hey i don't know i can't quite [TS]

01:34:48   decide if i think it's it's a little too [TS]

01:34:50   pat or if it's actually a nice addition [TS]

01:34:53   to the cannon [TS]

01:34:54   I think my main problem with killer so [TS]

01:34:56   is [TS]

01:34:56   I spent the entire time wishing that had [TS]

01:34:58   been larger area so and they just [TS]

01:35:00   swapped the mother and father parts [TS]

01:35:02   right and that to me would have been [TS]

01:35:04   immensely more satisfying because much [TS]

01:35:06   as we don't have enough female heroes on [TS]

01:35:09   screen we have even less mother-daughter [TS]

01:35:11   relationships and massive issues and [TS]

01:35:15   complicated things going on on-screen [TS]

01:35:17   and that would have even if they didn't [TS]

01:35:19   change anything else i think i would [TS]

01:35:20   meet up for a lot of the lack of [TS]

01:35:22   representation of the rest of the movie [TS]

01:35:24   there is a lot of father stuff going on [TS]

01:35:26   in Star Wars isn't there another whole [TS]

01:35:27   lot of mother stuff which is a bit of a [TS]

01:35:29   show but one of the things that bothered [TS]

01:35:31   me just from that opening sequence was [TS]

01:35:33   that didn't seem to have a cuddly [TS]

01:35:35   stormtrooper told ya [TS]

01:35:37   and this is this seemed to be a really [TS]

01:35:38   weird choice for her father yeah it's [TS]

01:35:40   not there to care for the perp well and [TS]

01:35:42   also they get that's another thing that [TS]

01:35:44   they really hungry Lambton on and I [TS]

01:35:46   thought oh ok well that's going to play [TS]

01:35:47   out later in the movie and then all they [TS]

01:35:49   use it for is when the troopers are [TS]

01:35:52   tracking her into the cave like two [TS]

01:35:54   minutes later and that's it and we never [TS]

01:35:56   see it again I felt like it was kind of [TS]

01:35:58   a tip of the hat to raise brittle pilot [TS]

01:36:01   doll in episode 7 nom never know but I [TS]

01:36:05   think again it struck me as just sort of [TS]

01:36:07   a superfluous weird thing I mean it [TS]

01:36:09   could have been worse she could have had [TS]

01:36:11   like a Gungan not something a little [TS]

01:36:13   more painful the weirdest thing I mean I [TS]

01:36:17   i agree matchmaker person is great and [TS]

01:36:19   he performed the character really well [TS]

01:36:21   even though the character was yet kind [TS]

01:36:23   of underwritten and had weird [TS]

01:36:25   motivations and didn't explain myself [TS]

01:36:27   very well in whatever but it also led to [TS]

01:36:30   a really strange disconnect the again I [TS]

01:36:35   sort of only really realized watching it [TS]

01:36:37   the second time which is does this [TS]

01:36:38   strange disbelief that this is true [TS]

01:36:43   because jen is the only one who sees the [TS]

01:36:44   message and what have you but there's no [TS]

01:36:46   disbelief that the death star exists why [TS]

01:36:50   are in the rebels they're all quite [TS]

01:36:51   prepared to believe that the death star [TS]

01:36:53   exists even though none of them have [TS]

01:36:55   seen it but the idea that the might also [TS]

01:36:58   be a floor in it and the yeah the the [TS]

01:37:00   chief scientist may have you know [TS]

01:37:02   actually been a bit of a traitor and put [TS]

01:37:04   this thing in there they argue about [TS]

01:37:05   that without ever actually saying do we [TS]

01:37:08   even know this thing is real [TS]

01:37:10   I suggest that the confirmation bias [TS]

01:37:12   therefore they're like yeah we totally [TS]

01:37:14   believe the Empire with you anything [TS]

01:37:15   bacon evil and make the biggest weapons [TS]

01:37:17   ever but we don't believe there be some [TS]

01:37:19   convenient helping out of us we have a [TS]

01:37:21   chance to go up against it works really [TS]

01:37:23   well in that case they should at least [TS]

01:37:25   believe it's a trap right like you know [TS]

01:37:27   because that that's a thing that the [TS]

01:37:29   Emperor would easily do [TS]

01:37:31   alright so let's let's go to our final [TS]

01:37:34   thoughts because we are approaching [TS]

01:37:35   we're already an hour and three-quarters [TS]

01:37:37   ok I'm get there the I mean the one [TS]

01:37:41   thing that we have to mention is the [TS]

01:37:42   line you know this is a rebellion isn't [TS]

01:37:45   it i repel isn't in there and that is a [TS]

01:37:48   travesty in my opinion because that is [TS]

01:37:50   delivered so well in there seen that [TS]

01:37:52   apparently landed on the cutting-room [TS]

01:37:53   floor and I thought just was such a [TS]

01:37:56   great kind of insight into this [TS]

01:37:58   character and it fit you know she still [TS]

01:38:00   is that sort of character would have [TS]

01:38:02   fitted so well I do not understand why [TS]

01:38:04   that didn't make it in i'm assuming that [TS]

01:38:06   not like in the blu-ray release but [TS]

01:38:09   maybe in 10 years from now in the rain [TS]

01:38:11   that's an ambition in the super solid [TS]

01:38:15   right we have two weeks so long I mean [TS]

01:38:18   hopefully we're gonna find out [TS]

01:38:19   eventually but we have to wait like [TS]

01:38:20   decade before we get the proper [TS]

01:38:22   behind-the-scenes interview because they [TS]

01:38:24   will be the the story of exactly where [TS]

01:38:27   they were trying to go and whatever a [TS]

01:38:29   next thing the thing that always moves [TS]

01:38:31   as i'm sure there was a shot with her [TS]

01:38:32   liking cuffs in the rebel bakes yes that [TS]

01:38:35   was just gives the whole different [TS]

01:38:37   alright soy I wish they'd just tell us [TS]

01:38:39   what the other direction of yeah well I [TS]

01:38:41   mean and this is the issue with the [TS]

01:38:42   reshoots isn't it is that we just don't [TS]

01:38:44   know we don't know if the reshoots for [TS]

01:38:46   something that wasn't completely [TS]

01:38:48   changing separated or just like a real [TS]

01:38:51   it was just ready gunshots oh yeah what [TS]

01:38:53   and and i think is it's possibly they [TS]

01:38:56   felt like that line just didn't fit [TS]

01:38:57   anymore in the way the conversation [TS]

01:38:58   plays out and I can kind of see that [TS]

01:39:00   based on the way they do it but i agree [TS]

01:39:03   that I was kind of waiting for it and [TS]

01:39:04   was like 'well what's up guys you had [TS]

01:39:07   like four things which is all this movie [TS]

01:39:09   and none of them are in the movie right [TS]

01:39:11   but definitely gonna watch again because [TS]

01:39:13   then you're freed yes and you can just [TS]

01:39:16   enjoy enjoy the film [TS]

01:39:17   absolutely enjoyed it much more the [TS]

01:39:19   second time round the first for exactly [TS]

01:39:21   that reason yeah [TS]

01:39:22   india has also convinced me I am gonna [TS]

01:39:25   go blind on trailers from Iran because [TS]

01:39:29   if they are prepared to mess around with [TS]

01:39:32   stuff this much you know to sort of put [TS]

01:39:36   out a trailer and then say oh actually [TS]

01:39:38   no we're going to cut loads of that [TS]

01:39:39   stuff out and because we're changing the [TS]

01:39:41   tenor of the movie we've decided I mean [TS]

01:39:43   and that's fine you know there's no not [TS]

01:39:44   saying they shouldn't do that but as a [TS]

01:39:46   result like it all it did was set me up [TS]

01:39:49   for disappointment because there's so [TS]

01:39:50   many things in that trailer that I [TS]

01:39:52   thought yes yes that looks amazing I [TS]

01:39:54   can't wait to see that and then never [TS]

01:39:56   did see it the you know and that's [TS]

01:40:00   entirely my fault that's entirely on me [TS]

01:40:01   but yeah as a result so I've decided I'm [TS]

01:40:03   just gonna go blind on trailers for me [TS]

01:40:05   and I just I just love trailers so much [TS]

01:40:07   the only this is the only trailer for a [TS]

01:40:09   new movie I've watching like six months [TS]

01:40:11   because it's so difficult for me to get [TS]

01:40:13   to the cinema that I basically i never [TS]

01:40:14   see in movies when they come out unless [TS]

01:40:16   they're Star Wars and and it's it's [TS]

01:40:19   desperately knowing that is the one [TS]

01:40:21   trailer that seems to have hit the most [TS]

01:40:24   or mislead slightly people that this is [TS]

01:40:26   the one I can't see them doing it again [TS]

01:40:29   I mean like there's no doubt people of [TS]

01:40:32   those being probably lots of internal [TS]

01:40:34   discussions in Lucasfilm about it but [TS]

01:40:37   you know when the episode 8 trailer hits [TS]

01:40:39   you know if they do it again in the [TS]

01:40:42   episode a trailer then yes I'm with you [TS]

01:40:45   there's stuff in the force awakens [TS]

01:40:45   trailers that is not in the force and we [TS]

01:40:47   call that don't don't ruin the film's [TS]

01:40:49   for me there but they're not huge moment [TS]

01:40:53   or not are under the reasons as far as [TS]

01:40:55   we're aware anyway there's nothing in [TS]

01:40:57   there that was literally created for the [TS]

01:41:00   trail is knowing full well that it was [TS]

01:41:02   never going to be in the movie yeah i [TS]

01:41:04   think they're mostly cutscenes to be [TS]

01:41:06   fair it's not unusual with trailers for [TS]

01:41:07   them to occasionally use alternate takes [TS]

01:41:10   of lines that are more succinctly or to [TS]

01:41:12   cut bits of dialogue together to make [TS]

01:41:15   something you know just because [TS]

01:41:15   obviously you've only got a very few [TS]

01:41:17   number of seconds integrated to get a [TS]

01:41:19   story across fine that's that's all well [TS]

01:41:22   and good but actually creating a whole [TS]

01:41:24   special effect [TS]

01:41:25   yeah there is really significant that [TS]

01:41:29   you know full well he's never going to [TS]

01:41:31   be in the movie that [TS]

01:41:32   yeah that's gonna be on the file format [TS]

01:41:34   the different yes a different thing [TS]

01:41:36   entirely and a lot of these cases to you [TS]

01:41:37   know keep in mind trailers obviously [TS]

01:41:39   come out a year months before movie and [TS]

01:41:42   sometimes there isn't a final cut locked [TS]

01:41:44   at that point [TS]

01:41:45   sure probably usually there is no final [TS]

01:41:46   cut like that point so there's always [TS]

01:41:47   going to be some play with what makes it [TS]

01:41:49   and what doesn't but i agree that [TS]

01:41:50   creating something whole cloth is is [TS]

01:41:54   just like it's weird it's weird i think [TS]

01:41:57   if you can cut an entire trailer out of [TS]

01:41:59   footage that hasn't been used from other [TS]

01:42:02   trailers then yeah it's a problem right [TS]

01:42:05   yeah yeah yeah yeah okay so so here's my [TS]

01:42:07   final thought as again you know we've [TS]

01:42:09   never picked it to death but I really [TS]

01:42:11   really did like this movie a lot and i [TS]

01:42:13   will see it again and i will be buying [TS]

01:42:15   the blu-rays and all that sort of stuff [TS]

01:42:16   and here's the thing more than anything [TS]

01:42:18   else what this movie makes me want is a [TS]

01:42:21   live-action TV series about characters [TS]

01:42:25   like this about the characters on the [TS]

01:42:28   edges about the rebels and the rogue [TS]

01:42:30   traders and all the people there aren't [TS]

01:42:33   the focus of the saga to explore them a [TS]

01:42:37   little better because but you know a lot [TS]

01:42:39   of the things that we've talked about it [TS]

01:42:40   a lot of the Olympics are things that if [TS]

01:42:42   this was a TV show they would have time [TS]

01:42:44   to explore all of those things and go [TS]

01:42:47   into that depth then go into that detail [TS]

01:42:48   and we would get to know these [TS]

01:42:50   characters better and I just think you [TS]

01:42:53   know that would be really good and you [TS]

01:42:55   know let's say I know we have rebels and [TS]

01:42:57   clone wars but a lot of people simply [TS]

01:42:59   will not watch an animated series no [TS]

01:43:01   matter how good it is the idea of rebels [TS]

01:43:03   the live-action just like haha that [TS]

01:43:06   would be even budget was you know TV has [TS]

01:43:08   the budget for good [TS]

01:43:10   live-action effects these days they [TS]

01:43:12   could ok wouldn't be as grand as the [TS]

01:43:15   fine as the movies no but they could [TS]

01:43:17   totally pull it off [TS]

01:43:18   yeah i mean i think the and even if they [TS]

01:43:21   could only pull off a few big effects [TS]

01:43:24   shots in an episode and the rest of the [TS]

01:43:26   time the you know people actually had to [TS]

01:43:27   talk to each other and have k battlestar [TS]

01:43:31   galactica yeah yeah except without the [TS]

01:43:34   end right let's go to lose one of your [TS]

01:43:39   final words my friend thought I [TS]

01:43:42   our that I think that Ben Mendelsohn [TS]

01:43:44   cloak or some critics clock deserves [TS]

01:43:47   credit / zoo and better- deserves [TS]

01:43:50   amazing credit for making that clock [TS]

01:43:53   work for every bit of video space [TS]

01:43:58   created had I was another concept see [TS]

01:44:00   right over and moving on the white we [TS]

01:44:03   have the wires because you got power you [TS]

01:44:06   cut a great cook seen what were you [TS]

01:44:09   thinking but luckily there were many [TS]

01:44:10   other clubs make up for it really was [TS]

01:44:12   amazing every time he was walking that [TS]

01:44:14   was an excellent clock [TS]

01:44:15   well done cost me for that and the other [TS]

01:44:19   thing I was just loved in this movie was [TS]

01:44:21   when apparatus the Mon Calamari in [TS]

01:44:23   charge of the rebel fleet came on and if [TS]

01:44:26   there's one thing that that was just [TS]

01:44:27   that was literally just made it feel [TS]

01:44:29   like proper stars3 I know that obviously [TS]

01:44:31   I'm star wars movie has a Mon Calamari [TS]

01:44:33   in charge of the fleet but I want to [TS]

01:44:36   relax far [TS]

01:44:37   well I know I don't you should Admiral [TS]

01:44:39   Ackbar is definitely in my top five star [TS]

01:44:41   wars characters i love admiral ackbar [TS]

01:44:43   and I really i'm also exactly the Mon [TS]

01:44:47   Calamari a kind of hard cool didn't I [TS]

01:44:50   know it was just I just love i love this [TS]

01:44:53   Admiral roddis was a worthy predecessor [TS]

01:44:55   to admiral ackbar and I was I was [TS]

01:44:57   heartbroken but he stuff that might have [TS]

01:45:00   been my most emotional day for this big [TS]

01:45:03   no my well you'll be glad to know Liz [TS]

01:45:06   that my my first beat ultimate frisbee [TS]

01:45:08   team that captain is called it's a trap [TS]

01:45:09   it but i will mention funny my [TS]

01:45:12   girlfriend really i recognize the actor [TS]

01:45:15   bridge actor I guess who played the blue [TS]

01:45:17   leader and she was really upset that he [TS]

01:45:20   died like she's like I thought his death [TS]

01:45:22   was totally wrong and totally good [TS]

01:45:23   totally minor characters and no i really [TS]

01:45:25   like that guy I felt like his death was [TS]

01:45:28   under dire like okay I i can't remember [TS]

01:45:30   his name change what about you [TS]

01:45:33   well i mean i think i'm curious what's [TS]

01:45:36   gonna come out of this in the fact that [TS]

01:45:37   they made what is a pretty dark film and [TS]

01:45:40   whether tons of children are going to be [TS]

01:45:42   taken to this and traumatized or if [TS]

01:45:45   there's gonna be any fallout from that [TS]

01:45:47   and then they're gonna sort of hastily [TS]

01:45:49   all the other spin-offs are going to be [TS]

01:45:51   sort of chirpy upbeat [TS]

01:45:53   productions but I'm glad that you know [TS]

01:45:59   we've seen that you know the the [TS]

01:46:00   spin-offs can be different from the from [TS]

01:46:03   the main films and you know it sort of [TS]

01:46:06   makes it open for what we're going to [TS]

01:46:09   what we could get next I mean I think [TS]

01:46:11   was it its hands young hand solo I think [TS]

01:46:14   that's an excellent year which is we [TS]

01:46:16   know is gonna be probably a another sort [TS]

01:46:19   of Robbie type thing because i can't [TS]

01:46:22   imagine it being super serious with [TS]

01:46:24   Lando and hand I think they've been [TS]

01:46:27   saying that they're saying that off as [TS]

01:46:28   kind of a buddy movie yeah yeah so is [TS]

01:46:31   its get some Bob Hope type you know [TS]

01:46:34   little romper [TS]

01:46:36   haha Donald overcast in orlando I [TS]

01:46:40   imagine there might be much use of comic [TS]

01:46:43   timing me with hope so yeah so what [TS]

01:46:45   makes the difference cap or up that [TS]

01:46:48   one's gonna be presumably light and then [TS]

01:46:50   after that I think it's both fatal [TS]

01:46:53   something was a little one of the things [TS]

01:46:54   they don't have an official marriage [TS]

01:46:56   yeah I don't know if donors that's [TS]

01:46:57   official but there was certainly talk [TS]

01:46:58   about i mean i want to see the you know [TS]

01:47:00   the you and mcgregor standalone obi-wan [TS]

01:47:03   obi-wan like sort of middle-aged ob1 as [TS]

01:47:07   opposed to young or hard drinking and [TS]

01:47:10   yet even in his cave just this is keeper [TS]

01:47:14   shielded for de tema de decades it's an [TS]

01:47:17   it's an art movie i would actually [TS]

01:47:19   watched acolyte no dialogue but yeah I [TS]

01:47:25   mean I i think what this film [TS]

01:47:27   demonstrated was that you can do this [TS]

01:47:29   and it seems to have made a lot of money [TS]

01:47:32   at least in the only weekend oh yeah i'm [TS]

01:47:35   hoping i mean that there is there is a [TS]

01:47:37   thing that I do fear is that like we are [TS]

01:47:41   going to get a Star Wars film every year [TS]

01:47:43   for the rest of our lives of ordinary [TS]

01:47:45   question i'm ok with it right now sorry [TS]

01:47:47   okay [TS]

01:47:48   notebook and at some point you know are [TS]

01:47:52   we just gonna be like well it's another [TS]

01:47:54   one of these and now they're doing three [TS]

01:47:56   of them a year it's not as special but [TS]

01:48:00   certainly this was special and I enjoyed [TS]

01:48:02   it and I'm i want to see more [TS]

01:48:05   yeah i agree that one of the [TS]

01:48:06   best things to come out of this is the [TS]

01:48:08   broadening of the pilot because again [TS]

01:48:10   those of us who've played the computer [TS]

01:48:12   games the role-playing games that sort [TS]

01:48:13   of you know you like read the transmedia [TS]

01:48:15   novels we know that there is scope for [TS]

01:48:18   more than just the saga style epic you [TS]

01:48:23   know was traditional star wars stories [TS]

01:48:26   within this universe and that they can [TS]

01:48:28   still be really good even though they're [TS]

01:48:30   very totally different to the main saga [TS]

01:48:32   movies so I'm glad that this has been [TS]

01:48:35   successful and I'm glad that he did take [TS]

01:48:37   quite a different tone maybe not as [TS]

01:48:40   different as it could have been but [TS]

01:48:41   still a different enough to yes show [TS]

01:48:44   that this is a broad church if you like [TS]

01:48:47   you know this is a broad universe that [TS]

01:48:49   can accommodate lots of totally [TS]

01:48:52   different stories that can still feel [TS]

01:48:55   very much like Star Wars like there was [TS]

01:48:57   never any question that you are watching [TS]

01:48:59   a Star Wars movie even when they were in [TS]

01:49:01   Jade City you know it's still very much [TS]

01:49:03   felt like a Star Wars movie and I think [TS]

01:49:07   they pulled it off really well and I [TS]

01:49:09   hope as you say that they kind of you [TS]

01:49:11   know going forward that they take that [TS]

01:49:13   lesson go okay what else can we do let's [TS]

01:49:15   push the edges a little here and sort of [TS]

01:49:18   explore all this fertile ground around [TS]

01:49:22   the central core Star Wars movies [TS]

01:49:25   yeah i just want to say I agree very [TS]

01:49:27   much with your feeling about the this [TS]

01:49:30   opening of a much broader universe and [TS]

01:49:32   am I personally really looking forward [TS]

01:49:34   to seeing it again in a theater without [TS]

01:49:35   subtitles that isn't it doesn't have an [TS]

01:49:37   intermission have three also which is [TS]

01:49:39   better right yeah and and I i'm very [TS]

01:49:43   excited i love the sort of people on a [TS]

01:49:44   mission movies like guns of navarone and [TS]

01:49:47   where Eagles dare that kind of thing I [TS]

01:49:48   think this did a nice job of capturing a [TS]

01:49:50   lot of the feeling of those and having [TS]

01:49:53   as someone who's we consume much of the [TS]

01:49:55   transmedia properties over the years [TS]

01:49:57   I'm always excited to see new types of [TS]

01:49:59   stories told would love to see a live [TS]

01:50:01   action movie thats Sarah live-action TV [TS]

01:50:03   series somewhere in this vein and [TS]

01:50:05   frankly you know would like to see some [TS]

01:50:06   some book you know if anybody if [TS]

01:50:08   Lucasfilm want a a rogue squadron like [TS]

01:50:12   some new rogue squadron books i'm [TS]

01:50:14   available my you can find my agent [TS]

01:50:16   that's good [TS]

01:50:17   we could do that but I overall I i [TS]

01:50:20   enjoyed this a lot i'm looking forward [TS]

01:50:23   to going back and seeing a second time [TS]

01:50:24   without is critical and I and I think [TS]

01:50:27   you know this old this will be a worthy [TS]

01:50:29   installment and i love the way that [TS]

01:50:31   kicked off the anthology series and I'm [TS]

01:50:33   looking forward to more fifth-best [TS]

01:50:35   styles title right there we go i'll [TS]

01:50:40   finish with a comment from somebody on [TS]

01:50:43   John Scalzi this blog discussing the [TS]

01:50:46   movie he says I'll quote i'm glad that [TS]

01:50:49   Disney recognizes what Star Wars movies [TS]

01:50:52   are all about ships ships taking off [TS]

01:50:55   design through space ships landing there [TS]

01:50:58   may not be time for character [TS]

01:50:59   development plot smoothing or even [TS]

01:51:01   letting someone finish saying something [TS]

01:51:02   at the end of the scene before the music [TS]

01:51:04   swells and overpowers the dialogue but [TS]

01:51:06   by god anytime anyone goes anywhere we [TS]

01:51:09   will see them bored launch fly land and [TS]

01:51:13   disembark from their ships every single [TS]

01:51:15   time that something right about there [TS]

01:51:16   things will get all right so on that [TS]

01:51:19   note I thank you to my fellow panelists [TS]

01:51:22   and rebel podcasters smiles thank you [TS]

01:51:24   very much thank you James Thompson thank [TS]

01:51:26   you for being here i can survive in [TS]

01:51:28   space [TS]

01:51:29   oh yes well on and dumber and of course [TS]

01:51:32   thank you for staying awake I i am one [TS]

01:51:35   with the force and the forces with me [TS]

01:51:36   also thank you for listening everybody [TS]

01:51:38   else out there [TS]

01:51:40   happy holidays because this episode will [TS]

01:51:43   probably be the last one or one of the [TS]

01:51:45   last one certainly before the holiday [TS]

01:51:47   season and of course may the force be [TS]

01:51:49   with you [TS]