40: Emotion Palette


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00:00:08   From Relay FM, this is Upgrade episode number 40. Today's show is brought to you by Hover,

00:00:13   simplified domain management, MailRoute, a secure hosted email service for protection from viruses

00:00:18   and spam, and Field Notes. I'm not writing it down to remember it later, I'm writing it down

00:00:23   to remember it now. My name is Myke Curley and I am joined in person live and in San Francisco

00:00:28   by Mr. Jason Snow. Hi Myke, so this is three times we've done this in person out of 40

00:00:32   shows now. Once, twice, three times a podcast. Mm-hmm. And I love you. Thank you so much.

00:00:38   In the words of Lionel Richie. So we are, uh... We're on my turf now. We're out of the British

00:00:44   Isles. Forget that, this is California baby. So we're what, like an hour or two after the

00:00:48   keynote has just finished? Yeah, yeah, a couple hours after the keynote we're recording this.

00:00:55   long keynote today.

00:00:57   It was a little over. By Google I/O standards it was short, but by Apple keynote standards

00:01:01   it was a little bit long.

00:01:02   You were in the room today as we discussed last week.

00:01:04   Yes, sir.

00:01:05   So how was it today? Did you take notes? Did you do full on live blogging?

00:01:09   I took notes. I did, I sent a few tweets, but Dan Morin was sitting right next to me

00:01:16   and he handled the Six Colors Event account for live blogging, which was great. And I

00:01:21   I dropped a few tweets here and there,

00:01:22   but I spent most of the time watching the presentation

00:01:25   and taking some notes in my own little notes document.

00:01:29   - And how did that feel?

00:01:30   - It was a little weird.

00:01:32   It was good.

00:01:33   There were moments when I suddenly realized

00:01:34   I was typing a lot and that that probably meant

00:01:36   that I was thinking I was live blogging,

00:01:39   but it was for an audience of one.

00:01:41   And then I would slow down and say,

00:01:43   what do I really want to write down here?

00:01:45   It's, you know, shifting from verbatim note-taking mode

00:01:48   into what's the big picture,

00:01:49   leaving myself little notes,

00:01:50   which is something that I don't normally do

00:01:52   if I'm live blogging, like this is important,

00:01:54   this was a surprise, this was, you know,

00:01:57   a couple points I kind of wanted to emphasize,

00:02:00   this is important even though

00:02:02   they didn't make a big deal out of it.

00:02:04   So that was different.

00:02:05   - 'Cause last week, you were very much in the impression

00:02:09   that you weren't gonna do that this time.

00:02:11   - One big difference is that Dan got into the keynote,

00:02:14   which we were asking Apple

00:02:16   if they would consider letting him in, and they did,

00:02:18   And so, you know, we found that out a little while ago.

00:02:22   It wasn't today, but --

00:02:24   And that changed -- That made it very easy for me

00:02:27   to make the decision to sort of take a step back.

00:02:29   And that way, I could pay more close attention during the event.

00:02:33   Then we had -- You know, we ran out afterward,

00:02:35   got some lunch, and came here to record this,

00:02:37   and then I will, you know, start writing some stuff.

00:02:40   And I think that's good.

00:02:42   I think that's nice.

00:02:43   -So, I watched the keynote in the hotel,

00:02:47   in the Park 55, the release notes guys who had the podcast

00:02:50   and the conference that I'm gonna be speaking at,

00:02:53   they put on like a viewing and it was great.

00:02:55   We had a bunch of people there.

00:02:57   I love watching the keynote with people because it's fun.

00:03:00   People make jokes, they laugh, they cheer,

00:03:02   that kind of thing.

00:03:03   That was a lot of fun.

00:03:04   - I love watching keynotes with people, Myke.

00:03:06   - Yep, well you get a special.

00:03:08   - And I always do because I'm with all the people

00:03:11   in the room.

00:03:12   No, you say that and I think it's funny

00:03:14   'cause it can be a solitary experience

00:03:16   you're just a person at home watching on the live stream it is way more fun to

00:03:20   have an audience there. But there's the big one or the small one.

00:03:23   People are making jokes and stuff like that because I can't I never go on

00:03:26   Twitter during because it's too much it's impossible to keep up with and I

00:03:31   can't concentrate on what's happening if I'm watching you know people joking

00:03:36   around and stuff which is which is admittedly a lot of fun but it I can't

00:03:40   concentrate and then I get all lost.

00:03:43   Right I understand that.

00:03:45   So we should probably just dive in and I figure we'll talk about some of the things that came up today

00:03:49   but do them in the presentation order as is as you know as we want to do in these scenarios.

00:03:55   So let's start off with OS X El Capitan. Yes. I hate that name. I just want to put that out there.

00:04:01   I think it's awkward to say. So why do you yeah so that's why? Is it like Mavericks awkward? I think

00:04:06   it's more awkward because Mavericks was one word. This is El Capitan. El Capitan. Like that is a

00:04:11   is a long and awkward thing to say.

00:04:14   - Four syllables.

00:04:15   - It looks kinda strange written down.

00:04:19   So El Capitan is inside of Yosemite National Park, right?

00:04:23   - El Capitan is a giant granite cliff,

00:04:26   granite monolith inside Yosemite National Park.

00:04:30   So this is Apple's equivalent of snow leopard

00:04:34   or mountain lion by saying it's still essentially

00:04:38   a Yosemite class operating system.

00:04:41   - I think that, I don't know enough about Yosemite,

00:04:44   but I guess they had very limited options

00:04:46   if they wanted to go that route.

00:04:47   - Well, they could have called it Half Dome,

00:04:49   but that's weird.

00:04:50   - That's much worse.

00:04:51   Okay, I will accept El Capitan for the reason

00:04:54   that they chose it, if that makes sense.

00:04:56   But I just think as a product name,

00:04:58   it is not a good product name.

00:05:00   - They could have called it Glacier Point, I suppose,

00:05:02   or something. - That's nicer.

00:05:03   That's much nicer. - El Capitan.

00:05:06   Oh no, it is interesting that it's still a Yosemite theme.

00:05:11   Maybe that means that we can have that great Yosemite conference again.

00:05:14   Go back to Yosemite.

00:05:15   Yeah, so the crown stays in the Sierra Nevadas in Yosemite

00:05:21   for another upgrade cycle.

00:05:23   - Experience and performance.

00:05:25   This seemed to be the mantra of the day.

00:05:29   Both OS X, they've said that for a--

00:05:31   they kind of hinted towards that of iOS as well.

00:05:34   So the experience is a few features, basically a smattering of features,

00:05:37   and then performance is basically Apple saying,

00:05:41   "Yes, we are fixing the issues."

00:05:43   - Yeah, they also use the phrase,

00:05:44   "Refinements and advances,"

00:05:47   which I thought was interesting.

00:05:50   This is their way of saying without saying it.

00:05:55   We are concerned about speed and stability,

00:05:59   which are the things that people have been talking about

00:06:01   with the Mac and with iOS.

00:06:04   And so they said that, "Refinements and advances,

00:06:06   speed and stability, ways to make,

00:06:10   you know, it's not like they're not adding features,

00:06:12   but the idea that they're trying to make things faster,

00:06:14   they talked a lot about changing some of the underlying

00:06:16   technology to make things faster.

00:06:18   And, you know, I at least choose to read between the lines

00:06:21   that taking some time just to smooth off

00:06:24   some of the rough edges is one of the things

00:06:26   that they're doing as a part of this too,

00:06:28   although they didn't, it's not like they came out and said,

00:06:30   we're gonna take a lot of time to fix bugs,

00:06:32   but I think that's, at least you can read that

00:06:35   into what they said. If that is what they are doing, I appreciate this. The same with iOS is

00:06:40   they didn't just do this. There is some stuff here. I think probably the biggest thing that's

00:06:46   been added to El Capitan is window management. A lot more options for window management. So we have

00:06:52   an updated mission control. They've made it and also like switching between spaces and stuff like

00:06:59   that has been made to be performing better. On my retina MacBook Pro that is one of the most

00:07:03   frustrating things for me. Sometimes I swipe and nothing happens for like a

00:07:06   second and then I move over. So that's something I'm happy to see that they're

00:07:10   looking at fixing. I love Mission Control. That is how I use that a lot. I use

00:07:14   spaces and full screen and stuff like that so I'm happy to see anything change

00:07:18   there. I thought some of the stuff looked really good like you could drag a window

00:07:22   up to the top and create a new desktop with it. I thought that was really nice.

00:07:25   But one of the big things that they're pushing and we'll probably talk about

00:07:28   about this in another context in a little bit is Split View.

00:07:31   So there is an app called Moom, is that right?

00:07:35   M-O-M? - Yeah, Moom, yeah.

00:07:36   For many tricks.

00:07:37   - And this is a similar kind of idea in that?

00:07:40   - Yeah, I mean, Moom is super flexible,

00:07:42   but the thing is that Moom is a utility by a third party,

00:07:46   and with this view, you've got the split screen mode

00:07:50   and all of that, it's in a system, right?

00:07:53   So Apple has the ability to do things

00:07:57   that no third party can do.

00:07:59   And so that's what they've done here.

00:08:00   Moom lets you set, like put these,

00:08:01   tile these windows and move this window over there.

00:08:04   And this is a very much sort of saying,

00:08:06   I want two apps on the screen at once.

00:08:08   And you can do that with regular windows,

00:08:10   but you have to manage them.

00:08:11   And this is stuff we've seen,

00:08:12   Microsoft did some of this in Windows 8,

00:08:15   but it's a nice, like,

00:08:19   it is very much like mission control

00:08:21   in that it's about sort of simplifying

00:08:24   the window management experience.

00:08:26   and if you're an old school Mac user who just wants to have your Windows where you want

00:08:30   them you can still do that, but if you're in a, I find myself sometimes in a mode where

00:08:35   I really just want two apps in front and single window mode won't do that, the full screen

00:08:43   mode won't do that, and so this is in between full screen mode and the freeform mode, and

00:08:48   I think that's good.

00:08:49   - And they made some other enhancements like with Mail, they put some gestures in there

00:08:54   fine but with full screen you can kind of move the message pane away and then they put

00:08:58   tabs in the compose message window and stuff like that.

00:09:02   All those things that frustrate you when you're in full screen mode right? Because full screen

00:09:05   mode with apps that spawn multiple windows becomes really frustrating because is it sliding

00:09:11   that new window out? How do you minimize something? How do you switch to a second window if you're

00:09:15   in the full screen view? That's the thing that drives me out of full screen mode more

00:09:19   than any other. So they're trying to put in these, in mail they've got these short hands

00:09:23   now that let you do, actually very much like iOS, let you kind of do some basic management

00:09:29   of this single window view.

00:09:33   We have Spotlight. So Spotlight on the Mac has received some enhancements, one of those

00:09:40   being a lot more natural language stuff, which is quite interesting. So there's some of that

00:09:45   in there like what's the weather going to be like on Friday and stuff like that, which

00:09:48   is interesting and again that technology is there but we'll talk about it on iOS, it seems

00:09:54   to have really come into its own in iOS.

00:09:56   Yeah I think if you, I think I read something about Google discovering that there's a certain

00:10:03   percentage of users who talk, who type into Google like they're trying to reason with

00:10:08   somebody, an actual person, like they don't type and my sister I think is like this, like

00:10:13   somebody in my family I observed doing a Google search and they were like asking it questions,

00:10:18   like ask Jeeves or something. They were saying, "How do I find..." Like, don't know. Don't

00:10:23   just type in the words you're searching for, but that was not how they do it. They're like,

00:10:26   "How do I find how to do this?" or "What is the thing for this?" And so the natural language

00:10:30   thing is, I mean, it's good because I do think that certain, a certain group of users think

00:10:35   that way and that's how they want to formulate their queries. And so by saying, you know,

00:10:40   show me all the, you know, the presentation files I was working on last June and having

00:10:44   it actually be able to do that, there are a lot of people who are never going to go

00:10:47   and say, "Date created is between June 1st and June 30th of 2014 and kind is presentation."

00:10:57   Right?

00:10:58   I'm one of those people. I prefer to ask a computer a question like that. It's like why

00:11:04   I love Fantastical because I have natural language entry. I can't use other kinds of

00:11:09   programs now. I like to just type it because my brain works that way. It's easier. I loved

00:11:14   the email stuff, it was like show me the messages I've ignored from Phil. Which is, that is

00:11:19   smart stuff going on there and I really like that as a way to interact with the computer

00:11:24   is to ask questions and it should be able to pass what I'm saying and deliver answers

00:11:29   to me like that. I think that's really cool. Safari stuff, I mean I'm not a Safari user

00:11:34   so I'm not massively interested in it. Some of this like the pinned tabs thing it just

00:11:40   feels like adding a feature. I don't know what you think, but I don't see a lot of utility

00:11:44   in doing that. You could just have the tab open.

00:11:46   Well, no, but the idea here is you've got your favorite sites. And again, this is how

00:11:50   different people work. You've got your favorite sites and you always want them there. And

00:11:54   instead of putting them in a bookmark and then clicking on the bookmark every time you

00:11:57   open it, I'm pretty sure this is one of those features that came out of them observing how

00:12:01   users use software. And they always go to these same apps. And so by having them be

00:12:06   pinned like that, any browser window you're in has them right there, and they're preloading

00:12:12   them, which they, you know, more aggressively than they would if it was just in the bookmarks

00:12:16   bar. And they hide the bookmarks bar by default, I think, so this is like a...

00:12:21   - Visual book launch. - Yeah, it's like a new version of that for

00:12:25   your high priority sites, 'cause, you know, there are a lot of people that this is how

00:12:28   they use the internet, is they check eight sites that they like, or four sites that they

00:12:33   like. And so to have them in this way, I think there will be certain kinds of users who will

00:12:37   get a huge benefit out of having it there.

00:12:39   I was in a room with a bunch of developers, you were in a room with even more. The advancements

00:12:45   to Metal on the Mac seem to turn people, like to set people into a bit of a frenzy.

00:12:51   Well that's a super developer message, and so the developers like to hear that. I think

00:12:56   unless you're somebody who really loves OpenGL, I mean the idea there is that you're using

00:13:02   and core animation.

00:13:04   You can use core animation and core graphics

00:13:05   and now it's running at a much,

00:13:08   they set up to 50% improvement in speed

00:13:10   because they're eliminating the gap.

00:13:13   They're getting you closer to the metal by doing that.

00:13:18   So I thought it was interesting too in terms of,

00:13:21   this section had the lengthy set of examples involving Adobe,

00:13:27   which is interesting 'cause that's a relationship

00:13:31   that's gone back and forth,

00:13:33   about especially over the whole Flash debacle.

00:13:38   And here what you've got is Adobe highlighted

00:13:40   as a company that tried some of these new features,

00:13:43   got great results, and has said,

00:13:46   "We're gonna use this technology

00:13:47   "for all of our products on the Mac."

00:13:49   And that they said, not just After Effects,

00:13:51   which is one that always gets carted out,

00:13:53   but like Illustrator having some stuff

00:13:55   that currently they can't show the UI update

00:13:58   because it's too processor intensive,

00:14:00   So they just sort of, when you zoom in,

00:14:02   you move from state A to state B,

00:14:04   and that with this system,

00:14:06   they can actually do a smooth zoom to that point,

00:14:10   and stuff like that,

00:14:11   and that they're committed to adopting it

00:14:12   on all their OS X apps.

00:14:13   I mean, I thought that was a really interesting sign,

00:14:15   not only of the Apple-Adobe relationship,

00:14:17   but interesting endorsement of some pretty prominent,

00:14:20   it's a practical use in those apps,

00:14:25   these prominent apps of this technology.

00:14:27   So it's not just a, "Hey, games can be good on the Mac,"

00:14:31   which is not the biggest market on the Mac anyway.

00:14:33   - That's where the demo came from.

00:14:35   The demo came from Epic.

00:14:36   And I felt like it would have been a lot better

00:14:39   to come from Adobe.

00:14:41   The demo should have come from Adobe.

00:14:42   - Yeah, I agree.

00:14:43   - I think that would have been a lot stronger of a message

00:14:47   and would have made a lot more sense to have them on stage

00:14:51   and to have them showing some of the stuff.

00:14:54   - Yeah, maybe they just weren't prepared to do it,

00:14:56   but I agree with you.

00:14:57   That would have been, I don't know,

00:14:59   I find the game demos boring in general

00:15:02   and this one was boring in particular.

00:15:04   It was, it went on way too long

00:15:07   and I felt like it was a little like the, you know,

00:15:09   a teacher trying to tell a student

00:15:11   to hurry up their presentation by saying,

00:15:13   they're gonna give us a really short demo.

00:15:16   As they introduced them, they said a short demo.

00:15:18   - But it wasn't. - Wasn't short enough, no.

00:15:21   - Because the thing was, and the issue is with that stuff,

00:15:23   they were promoting their new game.

00:15:25   - Yeah, I know, and it's just like, here's this game,

00:15:28   it's on the Mac, it's--

00:15:29   - It doesn't really look that good.

00:15:30   - It doesn't look that great, it's boring,

00:15:33   they're acting like it's this cool thing,

00:15:36   and again, I don't wanna see a demo of their game.

00:15:39   They were sprinkled in there some examples of,

00:15:42   hey, this new technology that Apple has really helped us

00:15:44   here, but I don't think it added a whole lot to the thing.

00:15:47   - No, it definitely didn't.

00:15:48   - There are two things, whenever we talk about keynotes,

00:15:49   there's sort of two things we do.

00:15:51   The one is analyze what was announced,

00:15:53   and what does it mean for Apple,

00:15:54   on what are those products, how do we understand them,

00:15:56   and what is that gonna mean for users.

00:15:57   The other thing is like the keynote,

00:16:00   appreciation of keynote as an art form,

00:16:02   where we're criticizing the medium more than the message,

00:16:05   and this is one of those examples where,

00:16:08   in terms of reviewing the keynote as a performance,

00:16:11   the game demo really, I could really have done without it,

00:16:15   and I don't think it really imparted a lot of information.

00:16:17   - No, it didn't add-- - It was a break.

00:16:20   - It didn't add any more weight

00:16:22   than the quote from Adobe on a slide did.

00:16:24   - It added a lot less weight, I think,

00:16:27   than the quote from Adobe.

00:16:28   And quite frankly, are you really trying to explain,

00:16:31   I mean, other than just, ooh, need moving pictures,

00:16:34   is it more realistic to show people a game running

00:16:39   on the Mac than it is professional software running

00:16:42   on the Mac?

00:16:43   Or even photo management software or something,

00:16:45   but a game, just, yeah.

00:16:47   - Why don't they bring the product developer

00:16:49   final cut on stage. Because they were talking about things like rendering and stuff like

00:16:54   that and show how that's faster. That's more compelling, I think, than showing Epic. Apple

00:17:02   are trying to get games. It's a thing that the Mac--

00:17:05   - I get it. It's just never really going to happen on the Mac, and it's helpful that they

00:17:10   do this, but they're really just saying, "Hey, games are a good way to explain graphics performance."

00:17:14   But they didn't really explain it. They were just like, "Hey, look, it's a game. Yay!" Yeah,

00:17:19   less excited. That Adobe thing though, I was impressed by that, the Adobe thing, because

00:17:22   that's, that's not just Adobe to write a thing out and said it was okay. That's Adobe saying,

00:17:26   yeah, this is so great, we're going to use it in all our stuff.

00:17:28   So, you know, then we've got the usual, you know, El Capitan, there's a developer preview

00:17:33   in July, I think, and it comes out in the fall. Because developer preview now, public

00:17:39   beta in July. And then there'll be somebody who sends a tweet saying that we got that

00:17:44   wrong because they haven't, they paused it right before we corrected immediately after

00:17:47   because that's life in the big city for podcasting.

00:17:50   But yeah, so it's gonna be the same, it's the usual.

00:17:53   Developers can get a beta now.

00:17:55   There'll be a public beta, you know,

00:17:56   after they've done a developer beta cycle or two,

00:17:58   they'll do a public beta in July,

00:17:59   and then it'll be out in the fall for free.

00:18:02   As far as we can tell, it's just, you know,

00:18:04   like everybody, if you could run Yosemite,

00:18:05   you can run El Capitan.

00:18:07   And yeah, that's it.

00:18:10   I'm trying to see, I really liked the,

00:18:13   we didn't mention another example of watching

00:18:16   how people use their computer and trying to come up

00:18:18   with ways to do it better, which is one of the great ways

00:18:22   to innovate if you're building new software.

00:18:25   Was the shaking your cursor to find out where it is

00:18:29   when you wake up your computer?

00:18:30   - Funny little thing, but a nice thing.

00:18:33   - Yeah, so you shake it and it gets bigger

00:18:35   while you're shaking it so you can see where it is

00:18:37   and then it goes back down.

00:18:39   That's great, I do that all the time.

00:18:41   I have that big Retina iMac and sometimes I'm like,

00:18:44   it's a huge screen.

00:18:45   I don't even know where that little cursor is.

00:18:47   I'm like, where is it?

00:18:48   Where is it?

00:18:49   Is my Bluetooth track pad off?

00:18:51   Is that why I can't see it?

00:18:52   What's going on?

00:18:53   So that was, I just liked that as a, it's silly,

00:18:56   but that's a good example of somebody building a feature

00:19:00   because they realized, oh, this is something everybody does

00:19:03   and it wastes people's time.

00:19:05   - Anything missing for you?

00:19:06   - Oh, as I've written, I was ready for them

00:19:10   to get rid of the X and just call it Mac OS again,

00:19:14   but this is not an OS release about change, right?

00:19:17   This is about kind of keeping on from Yosemite,

00:19:20   and that's fine.

00:19:22   That's exactly what I was looking for.

00:19:23   I'm a little surprised that there were rumors

00:19:27   that the new San Francisco font would be used,

00:19:29   and I don't think it is.

00:19:33   - It definitely looked like they were using it on iOS,

00:19:35   but they didn't mention it.

00:19:37   - Yeah, and I think I saw one tweet that pointed out

00:19:40   that it's being used on some parts of iOS,

00:19:41   but not all of it.

00:19:43   I don't understand that. That is interesting, if they're using it. Because they didn't even

00:19:49   mention it. It didn't even seem to be on that big word cloud. So I don't know what's going

00:19:54   on there. That could still come later, I guess. But maybe there's a reason that we just don't

00:20:00   know or maybe they just never were going to do it in the first place. But there was definitely

00:20:04   a font change on iOS, which we'll get to in a bit. But they were showing some of the UI

00:20:09   it looked different and it looked like San Francisco. So maybe, I don't know, I don't

00:20:14   know what's happening with El Capitan. I've got to get used to saying that.

00:20:17   El Capitan. I feel like every time I say it I have to

00:20:19   say it in a funny way. Well you can call it Snowseminity if you want to.

00:20:23   I might do that actually. We have Steven in the room here and he's shaking his head. He

00:20:28   doesn't like Snowseminity which is now what I will call it. So should we move on to iOS?

00:20:34   Yeah, well, real-time follow-up, T_ in the chatroom says the fonts are updated.

00:20:39   I don't know updated in what way or what.

00:20:42   Again, I only have the information that I could glean from the keynote being in it.

00:20:46   So we'll find out more as the developer betas get installed and we learn more.

00:20:52   So apparently, definitely, new system font was included in the word cloud.

00:20:56   So thank you very much to everybody in the chatroom who is pointing that out.

00:21:00   There definitely is a new system font.

00:21:04   We will call it Capitan Francisco.

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00:24:25   iOS, iOS 9.

00:24:29   - iOS 9.

00:24:31   - So again, same sort of idea here.

00:24:35   We have some refinements, we have,

00:24:37   so they kind of, they referred to it as

00:24:40   there were some enhancements

00:24:41   and building on the foundation is the way

00:24:44   that they kind of pitch that.

00:24:46   And the foundation stuff is the improvements.

00:24:49   So shall we start with some of the new

00:24:52   and enhanced built-in applications

00:24:54   and shall we talk about the new News app?

00:24:57   - Sure, let's do that.

00:24:59   - Can you give a brief overview for anyone that doesn't know

00:25:02   or anyone that needs a refresher, what is the News app?

00:25:05   - Well, it looks like Newsstand is going away

00:25:09   and that all the Newsstand apps

00:25:10   just going to be apps, which is fine because Newstand was not very good, and

00:25:15   that there's this new app called News that looks like it's not quite an

00:25:22   RSS reader. It's more like Flipboard. It reminds me a lot of those instant

00:25:30   articles that are in Facebook. It's Apple providing a platform in which web

00:25:37   articles basically will be shown with some custom layout that makes them look

00:25:44   nicer and you can subscribe to subjects or tags or particular publications

00:25:52   whether they're newspapers or magazines or blogs and then it collects the

00:25:56   stories for you so yeah I mean especially Flipboard is a good example

00:25:59   where it sounds a lot like like that kind of thing except this is going to be

00:26:02   an Apple app and it's gonna be built into every iPhone and iPad.

00:26:07   Why does this exist?

00:26:09   I think Apple wants... I don't know, it's a good question. I think Apple wants to make things easier for publishers

00:26:18   and doesn't want to keep going down the path of Newsstand.

00:26:23   Yep.

00:26:25   Newsstand failed.

00:26:27   failed. Newsstand was a mistake. Apple should have built something like iBooks for magazines

00:26:37   and newspapers and they instead decided to let every media company build their own apps.

00:26:43   Yeah, have weirdo apps inside of a weirdo folder. Yeah, so this is so that was a bad

00:26:48   idea. I think Steve Jobs got charmed by the tech demos, the impractical,

00:26:57   expensive tech demos in the early days of the iPad and decided that that was

00:27:02   going to be the media strategy. So this is a very interesting strategy in that

00:27:05   it's not about, you know, it's a universal reader. It's much more of a fancy web

00:27:11   browser than it is, you know, it's not like a magazine or newspaper app. It's, I

00:27:17   I think they've learned a lot of lessons that this is not,

00:27:20   replicating paper is not what you wanna do.

00:27:23   You wanna come up with something that embraces this format.

00:27:26   It's interesting that it's so much like Flipboard.

00:27:28   They didn't buy Flipboard, they just did something

00:27:31   that's a lot like Flipboard.

00:27:32   - Yeah, you pick your categories.

00:27:35   I like the search stuff.

00:27:37   Oh, we should mention, this was the first demo

00:27:39   given by a woman, right?

00:27:40   Or was it, maybe the Apple Pay stuff came first?

00:27:43   - You jumped ahead, so this was the second demo

00:27:45   given by a woman who's given by Susan Prescott. So this was so we might as well

00:27:49   have this as a quicker slide now because there was also the Apple Pay executive

00:27:52   do you have her name to hand? Jennifer Bailey. Really interesting so I mean

00:27:58   yesterday as we record this Christina Warren had a great interview with Tim Cook

00:28:03   in Mashable and they were talking about equality in tech and women in tech and

00:28:08   one of the things that Tim said was watch tomorrow watch what we do tomorrow

00:28:12   and I really like what Apple have done here because what they have done is they

00:28:17   have brought out people where they wouldn't normally do that. So

00:28:21   Federighi would have done that demo. So they have brought the executives onto

00:28:25   the stage so they are forcing the change which is exactly what they need to do

00:28:30   because they are saying right we're just gonna bring these people

00:28:34   onto stage because they are women in these great jobs they're doing great

00:28:38   things, normally you don't get to see them, so instead of doing the normal demo for those

00:28:43   parts we will bring them out to the front, put them on stage so you can see that we do

00:28:48   have these people, but usually we just don't bring them out. So I think it was a great

00:28:53   move.

00:28:54   I agree, in the case of Jennifer Bailey, she's the VP and judge of Apple Pay, so why not?

00:28:58   Yeah, exactly, exactly. I mean you bring her out, plus they both gave incredible demos.

00:29:04   I thought they were funny and powerful

00:29:07   and just really, really great at what they did.

00:29:09   - Yeah, they both had their unique styles

00:29:12   that were their own, just as any presenter does.

00:29:14   And yeah, it was good to see more,

00:29:17   it was good to see different people on stage

00:29:19   to have Apple's keynote be less monolithic

00:29:23   than it's been in the past.

00:29:24   - Yep. - I think that was good.

00:29:25   It felt like you're watching a whole company

00:29:27   full of people who are working on this stuff

00:29:29   and not a very tiny cabal of people who invent everything

00:29:32   and then roll it out.

00:29:33   which is, you know, not accurate. It is more.

00:29:35   There are a lot of people who work at Apple

00:29:37   and working on this stuff, so to see more of them is good.

00:29:40   And to see some diversity on that stage, really good.

00:29:43   - So basically, news is a new take on an RSS reader.

00:29:48   I think in a nutshell, that's what it is.

00:29:52   I'm thinking maybe some of this

00:29:55   is so they can populate Spotlight stuff, right?

00:29:59   Because Spotlight seems to suggest news articles,

00:30:02   and this is a place to send you to,

00:30:04   so that could be one thing that they're doing it for.

00:30:07   They showed big publishers, they showed Wired,

00:30:10   they had Vox on the screen.

00:30:11   - Yeah, New York Times.

00:30:12   - Yep, Conde Nast and stuff like that.

00:30:15   They also made a point of showing Daring Fireball,

00:30:17   which was really exciting.

00:30:20   - Yes, they said the words Daring Fireball.

00:30:23   - And she cooked him as a choice of a blog that she likes.

00:30:27   What are you gonna do?

00:30:29   Do you know anything about this system?

00:30:30   Can you publish this system?

00:30:32   Do you want to?

00:30:33   - They made a point of the fact that this is not,

00:30:36   and I think that's actually one of the reasons

00:30:38   why they showed Daring Fireball,

00:30:40   not only because they like John Gruber,

00:30:42   but because he's a blogger.

00:30:44   And it was part of the message to say,

00:30:47   look, here's a newspaper, here's a magazine,

00:30:49   and here's a blog, and I can subscribe to all of them.

00:30:52   And then I can subscribe to this broad category

00:30:54   of technology, as well as this incredibly narrow keyword

00:30:57   of Swift, the programming language.

00:30:59   And so it was a good example of that.

00:31:01   and then later they said, "This is for everyone.

00:31:05   Presumably they'll have some sort of a spec."

00:31:07   But they said, "This is for local papers,

00:31:09   it's for blogs, it's for everyone."

00:31:11   So all publishers should be able to publish to this format.

00:31:14   So, you know, given my audience, absolutely.

00:31:17   Absolutely.

00:31:18   I can't wait to find out what the specs are for this

00:31:21   and figure out how I can take advantage of it.

00:31:25   - iCloud.com/newspublisher.

00:31:28   - All right.

00:31:29   I'll go there after the show.

00:31:31   you'll use iCloud to add your content to news.

00:31:33   Sign in with your Apple ID

00:31:35   that you'd like to use for your business or channel.

00:31:38   - Okay.

00:31:39   - Weird that it's on iCloud.

00:31:41   That seems like an interesting thing, but okay.

00:31:45   I feel like they need to have that.

00:31:45   - That's gotta be like iBook,

00:31:48   it's like iTunes Connect.

00:31:49   It's a backend system that you sign up for.

00:31:53   Yeah, that's weird.

00:31:54   - I mean, this feels like something

00:31:55   that you would have an article

00:31:56   that you wanna put out there and you would,

00:31:58   it's a nice big beefy article or something

00:32:00   you put it in. I imagine they've got some document specs and some feed specs and

00:32:04   you know that's everybody will look at that and figure out how they want to

00:32:09   proceed. But you know it's interesting I guess if it's pre-installed maybe people

00:32:15   use it I don't know if I will like maybe maybe maybe I'll look at that instead of

00:32:19   RSS or something I don't know. Yeah I don't I mean I don't use Flipboard and I

00:32:24   don't use RSS so I'm using I'm using Nuzzle right now to do all that you know

00:32:29   But yeah, I'll check it out.

00:32:30   There are lots of different ways to do reading,

00:32:33   and getting on the device is powerful.

00:32:35   It's not the solution.

00:32:37   Every iPhone user in existence

00:32:40   has not started listening to podcasts

00:32:42   because the podcast app is on the iPhone,

00:32:43   but it sure helps that there's a podcast app on the iPhone.

00:32:47   And this is, you know, there will be,

00:32:49   if you want to get some news,

00:32:50   also they integrated top news and things into their search.

00:32:54   And this is a way, presumably,

00:32:58   you will now jump to the news app to read those

00:33:01   instead of-- - The website.

00:33:03   - To the website, so that's part of that integration too.

00:33:06   And it sounds like the Recode report,

00:33:09   Walt Mossberg's report about this,

00:33:11   or no, Peter Kafka's report about this,

00:33:12   was that we saw no ads today,

00:33:16   but it sounds like publishers can put ads in there

00:33:18   and they keep all the money from the ads.

00:33:20   Apple's not trying to say give us 30% of all the ads

00:33:22   that display in the news app.

00:33:24   And then that report also said that if you don't have ads,

00:33:27   If you've run out of your ads or whatever,

00:33:29   Apple will actually be the backfill

00:33:33   and they could actually put their own ads in there

00:33:35   and then cut you in for a piece of that.

00:33:38   So there is an ad story there too.

00:33:39   It'll be interesting to see how that goes

00:33:41   'cause they said the New York Times,

00:33:43   they're gonna put in what, 30 stories a day or something.

00:33:46   I mean, that's interesting because that's stuff

00:33:48   that you aren't allowed to read on the web

00:33:50   because after a few stories,

00:33:52   you are blocked from those stories for the rest of the month

00:33:55   on the New York Times,

00:33:56   but they'll all be, you know, 30 stories a day

00:33:58   will be in the News app.

00:34:00   That's, that's-- - That's a lot.

00:34:01   - That's content you can't get on the web

00:34:03   but you can get in the News app.

00:34:04   That's pretty cool.

00:34:05   - Notes, the Notes app-- - Notes app.

00:34:08   - Has some massive, massive changes.

00:34:10   - Yeah, it looks a lot more like Vesper now.

00:34:12   So thanks, they mentioned Daring Fireball.

00:34:15   They also made Notes work a lot more like Vesper.

00:34:19   So I thought there was a nice tidbit there that I noticed,

00:34:22   which is that Notes is used by half of all iPhone users.

00:34:27   - Yep.

00:34:28   - That's a popular app.

00:34:30   - Surprisingly.

00:34:31   - Used by, I use it, when I parked today,

00:34:34   I opened Notes and put down where I parked.

00:34:37   - Yeah.

00:34:38   - I mean, nothing--

00:34:39   - I'll give it a go of iOS 9.

00:34:41   I mean, I use Draft for this stuff, but--

00:34:43   - Well, I'm using Notes for, like I said,

00:34:46   it's also my purpose-built note-taking app

00:34:48   for watching things for the incomparable.

00:34:51   - Yeah.

00:34:51   they're all in there, all of my notes are in there.

00:34:54   So there's a toolbar, there's text formatting,

00:34:57   you can make quick checklists, you can insert photos,

00:35:00   you can link-- - There's an extension?

00:35:02   - Yeah, yeah, there's a links, the links look better,

00:35:06   it's not just like a hyperlink of text,

00:35:07   it's actually a little box with a preview

00:35:09   of where the link goes to, which is kinda neat.

00:35:11   So they really did add a whole bunch of stuff.

00:35:15   A share sheet that lets you drop things

00:35:18   into notes from elsewhere with some nice stuff.

00:35:23   -I'm probably gonna switch to Apple Maps from Google Maps

00:35:27   because of their transit stuff.

00:35:29   -Well, Google has transit stuff, too.

00:35:31   -The way that Apple are displaying the transit stuff

00:35:34   is very, very interesting to me,

00:35:35   and I'm very much looking forward to checking it out.

00:35:37   -What way is that?

00:35:39   -So, they have a couple of things

00:35:40   that I really like to look off.

00:35:42   They have a full transit map,

00:35:44   which shows lines and stuff like that

00:35:46   on the actual map face.

00:35:49   - Yeah, I really liked that,

00:35:50   that you're not just viewing transit little buttons

00:35:55   on top of a street map.

00:35:56   You're looking at a transit map, transit layer.

00:35:58   - And even more interestingly,

00:36:00   'cause this is something that frustrates me with Google Maps

00:36:02   and any other mapping service I've ever used,

00:36:05   which is it shows me the entrance for the train station,

00:36:10   which is something that I don't get.

00:36:12   And they're like, we'll send you there

00:36:13   so you know exactly where to go.

00:36:15   because usually they just drop a pin right in the middle.

00:36:17   - Yeah, it's like the train station is a single item

00:36:20   that is a single point

00:36:22   and everybody enters through that point,

00:36:24   which of course is not how it works.

00:36:27   - 'Cause that's the main reason that I don't use Apple Maps

00:36:29   is because I am a person who needs transit stuff.

00:36:32   That's how I get around.

00:36:33   I use the tube and I use buses and I walk.

00:36:37   And at the moment,

00:36:38   Apple have not had anything to help me in that regard.

00:36:41   And all of the third-party apps that I've tried,

00:36:44   I haven't found better than Google Maps. And London is a launch city, which it definitely

00:36:49   should be, and I'm really happy they did it, because I think it's the only one outside

00:36:53   of America or China that is a launch city.

00:36:58   That's good.

00:36:59   It's because London is…

00:37:00   No, no, there's Berlin.

00:37:01   Is there Berlin as well?

00:37:02   Berlin's in there too.

00:37:03   Okay. So it's limited. And it makes sense, I mean, you go for the places that have real

00:37:09   good infrastructure. London is one of them. And I think my understanding is the data isn't

00:37:13   hard to get because we have a centralized body that does it. So TFL, Transport for London,

00:37:19   has all of that data and they have APIs and stuff, so we were probably not too difficult

00:37:24   a city to actually map and get it right. But I'm really, really excited for that.

00:37:29   Yeah, that's something that Apple just couldn't do when they were launching their new maps

00:37:36   thing. It was just one thing that they just couldn't get it done in time.

00:37:41   Because this needs careful consideration.

00:37:43   Transit is very, very difficult to do.

00:37:46   But I still think they should have waited, or they should have done this two years ago,

00:37:53   because it is a big part of it.

00:37:55   But I'm very happy to see it.

00:37:56   And one of the main reasons is because I would want to switch is because I really, really

00:38:01   love getting the directions on my watch.

00:38:03   I love that.

00:38:05   And that's really going to work well for me.

00:38:07   So I'm excited for that.

00:38:09   I think it would be difficult maybe, I don't know, we'll see from the native

00:38:12   stuff for Google to do a comparable app for the watch, but so I'm really excited

00:38:17   for that. Yeah when I was in Brooklyn I was trying to use Google Maps and it

00:38:23   and for transit and it took me to the block where the train station was that I

00:38:29   was going to. But then I had that wandering around thing where you're

00:38:35   trying to guess at where the actual entry way to the train station was

00:38:38   because it wasn't, it didn't take me to the entryway for, you know, that I could go down

00:38:43   that was the closest to where I was and I wandered around for a couple of minutes before

00:38:46   I found the way in.

00:38:48   - Yeah, so, yeah.

00:38:49   - Smart.

00:38:50   - Passbook becomes Wallet and with Wallet comes additional features for Apple Pay.

00:38:54   - Right.

00:38:55   - So there are store cards and loyalty cards now, right?

00:38:59   - Yeah, so they talked about loyalty cards at the event in September of last year.

00:39:04   - But they--

00:39:05   - They talked about when they launched Apple Pay that, or they announced Apple Pay.

00:39:08   And not in the keynote, but after the keynote,

00:39:12   when we were talking to them, they're like,

00:39:13   "Oh yeah, yeah, loyalty cards will be supported."

00:39:15   But it just hasn't happened yet.

00:39:16   So now it's happened.

00:39:17   Now we've got where they're making those partnerships,

00:39:20   so the loyalty cards will be built in to Apple Pay as well.

00:39:24   And you left out, in addition to having London Transit,

00:39:29   we have Apple Pay in the UK,

00:39:31   which is the old punk rock song.

00:39:34   - That's happening in July.

00:39:35   So because there was rumors that Canada was going to be the next, the next destination for Apple Pay,

00:39:41   but next month I finally get Apple Pay. 250,000 locations. The best one is the tube. So we'll be

00:39:49   able to use Apple Pay to ride the tube. There is a quite a funny thing. I currently have two bank

00:39:56   accounts with two different banks. And over the next couple of months, I was planning on switching

00:40:01   to the bank that I prefer, Barclays, currently with HSBC going to Barclays.

00:40:07   Barclays is one of the only banks in the UK that has not yet signed up for Apple Pay,

00:40:11   which is extremely surprising because Barclays is the most digital, but they're not there

00:40:15   yet, they will be because their customers are going to really really pressure them.

00:40:20   Because when they showed the screen, every other major UK bank, of which there are a

00:40:24   lot, seemed to be involved.

00:40:26   So I will still use it because at the moment all my personal transactions go through my

00:40:29   HSBC bank account and they are gonna be using Apple Pay so I'm very very excited

00:40:34   next month to start using Apple Pay because it's something that I really want

00:40:38   because we are so contactless. I pay with my card contactless but now I'll be able

00:40:44   to do my watch instead. I'm really really excited to do that.

00:40:48   It's pretty great. I enjoy that. Yeah, I was in a Waitrose with

00:40:53   James Thompson in Glasgow and talking about Apple Pay and how it you know

00:40:57   hopefully it'll come to the UK sometime and they made that announcement and I said a note

00:41:02   to James saying well that Waitrose in Glasgow will have Apple Pay soon.

00:41:07   So it was actually Waitrose was a very great, they were a great supermarket. They were one of

00:41:10   the ones that actually mentioned them. I like that they picked a couple out and because they do that

00:41:16   for America so do it for us too and I like that that they said Marks and Spencers and Waitrose,

00:41:20   they picked them out as two locations and they're fancy supermarkets, they're an upscale supermarket.

00:41:27   It's huge UK news today is what we're saying. Huge UK news.

00:41:31   It's all coming up, Royal Britannia today. I'm very happy. I mean, I know I'm in another country,

00:41:37   but I'm flying the flag today. Let's talk about the iPad, Jason.

00:41:40   Anything happen with the iPad?

00:41:43   All I know is Federico Vittucci's brain exploded. I haven't heard from him for a while. I think we

00:41:52   we should maybe send someone to go and check on them. There is some really, really big

00:41:58   stuff in here.

00:41:59   Well, you know, so we were talking, we've talked about that on this show before, that

00:42:02   there's this feeling that a lot of people have and that I have that I wrote a piece

00:42:06   on six colors about it, that the size of the iPhone, the success of the iPhone is so tremendous

00:42:12   that it's hard to justify and sometimes it's been hard for Apple to justify investing a

00:42:20   a lot of effort on iPad features in iOS,

00:42:22   because there's so many iPhones,

00:42:24   and there are fewer iPads.

00:42:25   Even if the iPad, you know, the iPad's fine,

00:42:28   it's not the iPhone, nothing's the iPhone.

00:42:30   And today, we got a large chunk of the presentation

00:42:35   devoted to features that were at least described

00:42:40   as being iPad features.

00:42:41   Some of them may have their counterparts on the iPhone,

00:42:44   but it was really about working on the iPad,

00:42:48   And as somebody who loves his iPad,

00:42:51   I'm not Federico Vitici level of love,

00:42:55   but I was blown away by it.

00:42:58   That was probably my favorite part

00:43:00   of the entire presentation was the iPad stuff.

00:43:03   - So there's a couple of different things here.

00:43:04   So one of them, there's a few features

00:43:06   that are classed as multitasking.

00:43:08   So there is a few features, there's one called Slide Over,

00:43:11   where it's a second app where you kind of pull it in

00:43:14   from the side.

00:43:14   - Yeah, it's like Notification Center or the Control Center,

00:43:17   except from the right side.

00:43:20   - Yeah, so you pull in, I think it probably,

00:43:22   they didn't really explain what app,

00:43:24   I guess it's like the most recent app,

00:43:26   and then you're able to do some, invoke some action,

00:43:30   I think it's the multitasking,

00:43:32   and you can switch between a vertical list of apps.

00:43:36   You slide it in, double tap,

00:43:38   and you can change what app is there.

00:43:40   So the idea being maybe Twitter or Messages,

00:43:43   you slide it in, do what you gotta do,

00:43:44   slide it back away again,

00:43:45   and it shows basically an iPhone.

00:43:47   - Yeah, it's in the #mikewasright section

00:43:50   of the presentation, they basically said

00:43:53   to the developers who were there,

00:43:54   'cause again, developer conference,

00:43:55   is if you did the work to do the auto layout and sizing

00:44:00   that, for example, allowed your iPhone 6 app

00:44:04   to also work really well on the 6 Plus,

00:44:06   that will just kind of move along

00:44:08   and go off on the corner there and it'll auto layout

00:44:11   and it's like a little iPhone app running

00:44:13   next to a kind of narrow iPad app.

00:44:16   Then there was split view.

00:44:18   Split view is you can invoke this from slide over

00:44:22   where you then effectively you pull it across

00:44:24   and you have two apps running simultaneously

00:44:27   next to each other.

00:44:28   This is massive stuff.

00:44:31   Like they were showing some things there

00:44:32   that look really interesting.

00:44:34   Like click a link in the notes app

00:44:38   and you've got maps next to it

00:44:39   and it will just go to the maps

00:44:40   or you click a link in a web browser and it pops up.

00:44:45   they were showing some really interesting ways that these two apps will just work together in tandem.

00:44:50   Yeah, and it's not any different, it looks like, or not much different than how apps work together

00:44:56   now, except now one app goes away and the other app comes to the foreground. And in this, they're

00:45:02   both running, so one app is there and then another app... And in fact, you can have like Maps open on

00:45:08   on the left but you tap on a web link, Maps goes away on the left and Safari opens. That

00:45:15   is a behavior too. But then you've got the two things open simultaneously. We should

00:45:19   say that Split View only works on the iPad Air 2 right now. Presumably new iPads to be

00:45:26   announced this fall will all support it. That's my guess.

00:45:30   But they all have Slide Over I think. But they all have Slide Over and the other

00:45:34   feature which is the video picture in picture feature.

00:45:37   which is madness.

00:45:38   That is like, you know,

00:45:39   you're watching a streaming video app

00:45:41   and you can just have that app playing in a corner

00:45:43   like a FaceTime preview.

00:45:46   You can move it around.

00:45:47   They should like, you can basically slide it

00:45:48   all the way off the screen just to listen to it.

00:45:50   - Yeah.

00:45:51   - That is really great.

00:45:53   Like YouTube are doing backflips

00:45:56   because that is amazing for that kind of app.

00:46:01   And I think that that is really, really exciting stuff.

00:46:04   - Yeah, well, I use that for like major league baseball.

00:46:06   You could use it for HBO Go.

00:46:08   I mean, the apps have to support it,

00:46:09   but that's pretty cool too.

00:46:13   But the Split View itself is iPad Air too,

00:46:15   only because it's by far the most powerful iOS device.

00:46:18   So right now that's the only place you can get it.

00:46:20   But it's very interesting that this is happening.

00:46:25   And they also mentioned as a part of this,

00:46:27   was it, well, no, in another part of the demo

00:46:33   when they were talking about Siri,

00:46:36   They also talked about APIs for apps

00:46:40   to put their content in Spotlight.

00:46:42   And that's exciting, but they also said--

00:46:46   - App indexing.

00:46:47   - Yeah, and that also means though that they said

00:46:49   that those apps will be able to provide

00:46:52   essentially a deep linking URL with their search results

00:46:57   or URL format.

00:46:58   So that's deep linking supported in the system.

00:47:01   That's like automation, workflow kind of stuff

00:47:06   becoming, if not mainstream,

00:47:09   becoming kind of a blessed part

00:47:11   of what's happening in the system.

00:47:13   And that's really great too.

00:47:14   So you throw that in there with the split view

00:47:17   and you've got some features

00:47:18   that are traditional computer features

00:47:21   that are finally showing up on iOS for the first time.

00:47:26   - So what about the keyboard?

00:47:29   - Oh, Myke.

00:47:30   there is some magical things happening to the iPad keyboard.

00:47:33   So the quick type bar, the suggestions bar,

00:47:36   now has shortcuts, cut, copy, paste, and formatting in it,

00:47:39   and I think attachments if you're in mail or whatever.

00:47:42   But the real magical stuff is this text selection.

00:47:45   - Remember when there was that,

00:47:46   we were talking about last week, two weeks ago,

00:47:47   about that Apple patent that was,

00:47:49   what if you could move your finger around

00:47:51   on the MacBook keyboard and it would be like a trackpad?

00:47:55   Well, this is that on the iPad keyboard.

00:47:59   you just move your finger around two fingers,

00:48:01   you put two fingers down on the keyboard instead of one,

00:48:03   and now it's a track pad,

00:48:05   and you can move the insertion point around,

00:48:07   move it up and down, you can essentially click,

00:48:11   and drag, and select text, it's crazy.

00:48:16   - There was this one point where Federighi was demoing this,

00:48:19   and he was doing stuff at such speed.

00:48:23   He clearly had practiced it a lot,

00:48:25   but it looked incredible,

00:48:27   and he was meant to do it fast to show you,

00:48:30   click that, cut that, copy that, paste it,

00:48:31   it was just like wow.

00:48:32   - It's like using a laptop to select text,

00:48:34   so forget about that.

00:48:35   Plus, on top of that, they improved hardware keyboard support.

00:48:40   - Yep, there's a task, there's an app switcher,

00:48:43   like on OS X.

00:48:44   - You can command tab through apps.

00:48:47   - And there's just a bunch of shortcuts now,

00:48:49   and I think it said when you plug in a keyboard,

00:48:51   it shows you them, so you know what you're dealing with.

00:48:55   - That's great.

00:48:55   really amazing stuff.

00:48:57   - These are all features,

00:49:00   I mean, maybe not the picture in picture video,

00:49:02   although that can make you more productive

00:49:03   because you're not just watching a video,

00:49:04   you're doing other stuff,

00:49:05   but these are productivity features.

00:49:07   And I think that's an important thing about that,

00:49:09   that announcement is that these are features

00:49:12   designed to make iOS on an iPad more capable

00:49:16   of being a productivity tool.

00:49:20   And we know from people like Federico

00:49:22   that you can use it to be productive now,

00:49:26   but this certainly makes it easier to be productive

00:49:30   and lets you be more efficient and more productive.

00:49:33   And maybe when I think of something like

00:49:35   that trackpad feature on the keyboard,

00:49:38   I think maybe make people who want to use the iPad

00:49:42   for productivity, but just, you know, when they try,

00:49:45   they end up saying, oh, it's too slow.

00:49:47   I've gotta move the little cursor around with my finger

00:49:51   and press delete a bunch of times.

00:49:53   It's not like on my laptop where I can just zip around.

00:49:55   And this may be the kind of feature

00:49:57   that makes somebody who had dreamed about it

00:50:00   but had just said, "Look, the iPad, it's just not realistic."

00:50:03   Take a second look and say, "Oh, actually, the iPad."

00:50:07   It really felt like, this is the first time we've had

00:50:09   something that felt like a cursor in iOS.

00:50:13   And it's only text selection,

00:50:15   but it still, it felt like a cursor, right?

00:50:17   You're moving that I-beam cursor around

00:50:20   with those two fingers.

00:50:22   And that's, you know, this is the iPad inching closer

00:50:27   to a traditional desktop computer metaphor,

00:50:30   which I think is also really interesting.

00:50:32   But it's a use case where the desktop computer

00:50:34   is just way more efficient than the iPad input is.

00:50:38   So really clever, looked really good,

00:50:41   the proof will be in the use obviously,

00:50:44   but just super exciting.

00:50:47   - And Siri is a personal assistant now.

00:50:50   Siri, in fact, is a brand for finding information

00:50:53   and not about speaking, because they described Siri

00:50:58   as being the information source behind

00:51:01   our natural language search in the search box.

00:51:06   Even though you weren't talking, you were typing,

00:51:09   they were saying Siri knows about these things.

00:51:11   So Apple is sort of making it clear

00:51:14   that what they view as Siri now

00:51:16   is this personal information assistant,

00:51:18   not just the thing that speaks to you.

00:51:22   - So there's the natural language questions

00:51:24   you can ask yourself.

00:51:26   It has more data like for sports

00:51:28   and you can ask it questions like,

00:51:31   they have an example on the website,

00:51:33   what's 18% of 56, 78, you can type that stuff in now.

00:51:37   So this stuff happens typing not just talking,

00:51:41   which is really good, I like that a lot.

00:51:43   And then it has the news stuff

00:51:45   and we mentioned the deep search,

00:51:47   but it's also trying to do a little bit of what Google Now on Tap is doing.

00:51:52   So you've got something up and you can get it to remind you,

00:51:56   so remind me of this later on,

00:51:58   and it will take the content from the message or the web page or whatever and do that.

00:52:02   Siri will add invites to your calendar automatically,

00:52:07   and will make more smart reminders for it,

00:52:11   like invitation, event alarms and stuff like that.

00:52:15   So it's saying like, you have an appointment at six o'clock,

00:52:18   there's some traffic right now, you should leave.

00:52:20   This is good stuff.

00:52:21   - Time to leave feature.

00:52:24   Yeah, and I had a couple of people ask me on Twitter

00:52:27   during the keynote, what makes this different

00:52:30   than what Google's doing?

00:52:31   And you know, we all just said that Google

00:52:32   was doing creepy things, and why is this not creepy?

00:52:35   The answer is, it may or may not feel creepy to you

00:52:37   that a computer knows things about you,

00:52:39   but as far as I can tell, the big difference is,

00:52:42   everything that's happening here is happening on the device.

00:52:44   Whereas much of what Google does happens in the cloud.

00:52:47   - And it's up to you if you find that creepy.

00:52:51   - Sure, sure, but it doesn't compromise Apple Store here,

00:52:55   which is it's your information on your device.

00:52:57   But it's good, Apple needs to do this.

00:53:01   This is a place where Apple is behind very clearly

00:53:05   in putting all this information together

00:53:07   and making it easy to find things

00:53:09   and to have the computer make some assumptions about you

00:53:13   because it knows a lot of information about you

00:53:16   and try to help you out.

00:53:18   This is all good stuff.

00:53:20   We'll see how it works in practice, right?

00:53:22   They do these demos and they blow us away.

00:53:24   And then in practice, we find that half of the stuff

00:53:26   doesn't really work right.

00:53:27   - Yeah, so you've always got a reserve judgment

00:53:30   on these kinds of things.

00:53:31   And then they rounded it off

00:53:32   with what they called the foundation enhancements,

00:53:35   which are working optimizing battery life,

00:53:38   including a new, what's it like, battery reserve mode,

00:53:42   kind of like the watch reserve mode, I guess.

00:53:45   They didn't really give any information on this.

00:53:46   - A low power mode, they said, that on stage said,

00:53:51   pulls levers you didn't even know existed

00:53:53   to give an additional three hours extended battery life.

00:53:55   I think this is the place where I wrote down

00:53:59   two of the biggest announcements of the day happened

00:54:01   at the end of an iOS section, almost as an aside.

00:54:05   And one of them is that according to Apple,

00:54:08   iOS 9 will,

00:54:11   They focused on real world use cases for battery life

00:54:15   and said that in typical use,

00:54:18   a phone running iOS 9 will last an hour more.

00:54:23   And that low power mode can extend

00:54:27   an additional three hours of battery time.

00:54:31   And then the second big one was

00:54:35   you needed 4.6 gigabytes free to install iOS 8

00:54:38   and you'll need 1.3 gigabytes.

00:54:40   And we talked about this a while ago on the show,

00:54:42   about like, what could they improve in iOS?

00:54:44   And this was huge that they've cut by,

00:54:48   you know, it's a quarter of the amount of space

00:54:51   that was required for the last update.

00:54:53   'Cause a lot of people didn't update

00:54:55   because they had no room.

00:54:56   I think one of the reasons why iOS 8 adoption

00:55:00   is less than it's been in the past

00:55:02   is that, that people couldn't do it.

00:55:05   It's 83%, which is good, but it could be better.

00:55:09   And one of the reasons it's not is

00:55:10   if you only have two gigabytes free,

00:55:12   you're just not gonna update

00:55:13   because it needs four and a half.

00:55:15   And so they've really reduced that.

00:55:16   I think that's two huge pieces of news.

00:55:19   Making the iPhone's battery last an hour longer

00:55:22   in common circumstances is a giant deal.

00:55:26   And I thought it was interesting

00:55:27   that they just kind of tossed it in there.

00:55:28   Like yeah, battery's gonna be,

00:55:29   maybe they don't wanna oversell it,

00:55:31   but for me, I just read that and thought that's huge.

00:55:34   Just extending battery life in the iPhone at all,

00:55:36   plus offering a setting where you can be like,

00:55:37   I'm really worried, I've gotta go a long time

00:55:39   and I'm starting to run out of battery,

00:55:41   also a really nice powerful feature.

00:55:44   That again, there are some Android phones that do that now,

00:55:46   but Apple has not ever done that before,

00:55:49   and it's good to see them doing it.

00:55:50   They're promising better performance everywhere,

00:55:52   and they also said that iOS 9 is gonna run

00:55:54   on every device that iOS 8 ran on, which is good.

00:55:56   No cutoffs this year.

00:55:58   In the chat room, our friend Dan Morin,

00:56:00   I don't even know where he is right now,

00:56:02   but he's near us somewhere, says that if your phone knows

00:56:06   that it's phased down on a table

00:56:08   and won't turn the screen on when you receive a notification.

00:56:11   I mean, smart, right?

00:56:12   - That's smart stuff.

00:56:14   Just using the sensors that you have

00:56:16   to understand the context of the phone,

00:56:19   therefore allowing it to make more smart decisions.

00:56:21   - And it goes back to watching how people use your device

00:56:26   and what they use it for and making smart changes

00:56:31   to the features based on that, just observing them.

00:56:35   And I saw that a lot today.

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00:59:22   Okay, so, whew, here we go.

00:59:25   Hey, I'm back!

00:59:26   Was there a robot here before?

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00:59:29   smell like oil in the air as if a robot had come by.

00:59:33   - WatchOS 2.

00:59:34   - WatchOS.

00:59:35   - WatchOS, WatchOS.

00:59:36   - Lowercase W, no space.

00:59:38   - I don't like that.

00:59:39   - It's weird.

00:59:40   - So they have some new features.

00:59:42   We have some new watch faces.

00:59:43   I was kind of underwhelmed by this.

00:59:45   They have time lapses of certain cities and photos.

00:59:49   I was really hoping for some other watch faces

00:59:52   that have loads of complications

00:59:54   like the ones we have now.

00:59:55   That's what I wanted to see.

00:59:57   Yeah, it's not impossible that between now and the fall they will have some more.

01:00:01   I mean, they don't need to communicate to customers or developers that there'll be some

01:00:06   other watch faces, so they could add others or they could not.

01:00:10   I'm excited.

01:00:14   When this was just an idea, the Apple Watch, when they had the two events and we hadn't

01:00:18   actually used the final product, I think we thought a lot about the idea of custom watch

01:00:24   and having used the watch I started to think much more about custom

01:00:30   complications and like the faces are nice there could be more of them but

01:00:35   they're nice but the complications are so limited there are just these few

01:00:39   stock ones that Apple has provided and it turns out this was for me this was

01:00:43   the big news on the watch side of the day is yes native apps we knew that

01:00:48   would happen and that's that's got some potential but also that native apps

01:00:54   presumably will be able to push data into complications so that I can take

01:01:00   data from the Major League Baseball app of the my favorite team's current score

01:01:05   and have it appear as a as a complication or the one that I keep

01:01:11   thinking of is weather underground I've got the temperature on my weather

01:01:14   station at my house on Weather Underground, I would like to see that

01:01:18   temperature on my watch, not the, you know, whatever forecast Yahoo weather

01:01:23   temperature that's wrong. I want the real one, and an app knows that, so my watch

01:01:28   should be able to show that. Now with this complications, third-party

01:01:30   complications, we get that. That's gonna be exciting stuff. I'm thinking that with

01:01:36   third-party complications, I may go into a, like, setting of having different

01:01:40   customized watch faces, because you can set up different ones, right? Yeah, of the

01:01:44   the same face even, which is great.

01:01:45   - Yeah, I would have like my travel watch face,

01:01:47   which has my flight information and stuff.

01:01:48   I think that might be good to then set up

01:01:51   and to play around with.

01:01:51   - Yeah, I agree.

01:01:52   I mean, people are doing some of that now,

01:01:55   but it's gonna become even more so,

01:01:56   because there's only so much space

01:01:57   and different complications.

01:01:59   One thing they didn't talk about

01:02:00   that I do think ultimately they need to do is deal with,

01:02:02   maybe it's in there and we just don't know,

01:02:05   'cause it didn't make it into the keynote,

01:02:06   but I like the idea of complications

01:02:08   that are aware of certain kinds of states.

01:02:13   An example with the existing one is when the calendar complication gets to "No more events of the day,"

01:02:19   it just says "No more events," which is just dumb.

01:02:22   And I wonder if, at some point down the road, you should be able to do things like say,

01:02:27   "I know that you're about to have a trip, so now I'm going to put up the travel complication,"

01:02:37   or something like that. And that's probably a ways off, but I feel like that's the next intelligent agent step for the watch.

01:02:43   that goes hand in hand with the Siri stuff.

01:02:45   Like eventually that stuff should filter into the flight.

01:02:47   - Right, it should know,

01:02:48   I can call up your flight information now and display it

01:02:51   because now I know you're about to go on that flight.

01:02:54   But otherwise I'm not gonna show it.

01:02:55   I'm just gonna show you this other,

01:02:58   some other piece of information that's relevant.

01:03:01   - Time travel is an interesting one.

01:03:02   So when you're on the watch face.

01:03:04   - From the people who brought you Time Machine,

01:03:06   now there's time travel.

01:03:08   - Basically you can spin the digital crown

01:03:10   in either direction

01:03:10   and it will update complications accordingly.

01:03:13   So for example, your calendar will show you

01:03:15   what's coming next or what's past,

01:03:18   the temperature stuff will change, that kind of thing.

01:03:20   And it'd be interesting, I don't know what's happened

01:03:23   with some apps, but there is an element of understanding

01:03:27   what's going on in the past and in the future

01:03:30   with this kind of thing.

01:03:30   - Right, they showed the Volkswagen app

01:03:32   that was trying to estimate, basically,

01:03:34   as you moved into the future,

01:03:35   it was able to provide an estimate

01:03:37   for how much your electric car would be charged

01:03:40   - That doesn't make any sense to me, that one.

01:03:42   So you could use it the next day.

01:03:44   Like that one, I get what they're doing,

01:03:46   but that example doesn't work.

01:03:48   - Well, it makes sense if you are,

01:03:52   I think what it makes sense is if you know

01:03:54   you need to drive, so when I went to New Jersey,

01:03:58   Lex Friedman picked me up at the airport,

01:04:00   and he can get to the airport and back

01:04:02   with his electric car, sort of just barely,

01:04:05   but he can get it, but it needs to be fully charged.

01:04:07   So I can see a scenario where you're looking,

01:04:10   you're checking and you wanna see,

01:04:12   is the car gonna be fully charged?

01:04:14   I'm going somewhere and I need it fully charged.

01:04:16   When's that going to be?

01:04:17   And your car's app will be able to know

01:04:21   and give time machine, not time machine,

01:04:24   time machine, time travel.

01:04:25   Time machine backs things up.

01:04:27   Time travel, completely different.

01:04:28   Use a time machine for time travel.

01:04:29   That's really confusing.

01:04:31   Time travel will let you see,

01:04:33   oh, I only need about 60% battery.

01:04:35   I'll get that in two hours.

01:04:37   Yeah, that may not be the most practical demonstration,

01:04:39   but I can see where you could use that.

01:04:41   Also, we should say this is a behavior

01:04:43   that's in current watch faces now.

01:04:44   It's in the astronomy and solar faces

01:04:47   that if you move the, in those, if you move the crown,

01:04:50   you can go forward and backward in time.

01:04:52   And so they've applied that to other faces

01:04:56   as this concept of sort of like seeing what's happening.

01:04:59   And it lets you see what's coming in your calendar later,

01:05:03   for example, if you've got a calendar complication,

01:05:05   which is interesting.

01:05:06   Somebody, I think, I may be stealing something

01:05:09   from Ask Upgrade, but somebody asked about how this relates

01:05:11   to maybe being Apple's response to the timeline view

01:05:14   in Pebble Time.

01:05:16   - Yeah, let me find that question, 'cause that, oh, no.

01:05:19   - And I'm not sure whether it's a response or not,

01:05:22   but it seems to be Apple's attempt to solve

01:05:24   the same problem.

01:05:25   - Yeah, that came from Oz.

01:05:26   He asked, "Do you think the time travel thing

01:05:27   "is a response to the timeline interface?"

01:05:30   I think, I mean, I look at that,

01:05:32   and my feeling would be that Apple saw that

01:05:35   and was like, "That's smart.

01:05:36   "We could do that."

01:05:37   - Yeah, it's possible, or it was on a parallel

01:05:39   track, but it's certainly trying to solve the same problem, which is, okay, I've got

01:05:43   this calendar complication, it shows me one thing, what if I want to scroll through my

01:05:47   calendar? Well, you can open the calendar app, but now you can just spin the crown and

01:05:52   move forward in time.

01:05:54   So we also have something that, so basically you now turn your watch into an alarm clock,

01:06:01   like an actual digital alarm clock on your nightstand, by putting your watch into a position

01:06:05   that nobody does.

01:06:08   I certainly don't, you don't, Stephen doesn't.

01:06:10   Laying it on its side, the non-button side,

01:06:14   and it displays--

01:06:15   - Clipping the charger to the back.

01:06:16   - Yeah, clip the charger to the back,

01:06:17   and it displays a clock, and it'll--

01:06:21   - Your next alarm.

01:06:22   - And your alarm, and you can press the crown to snooze,

01:06:25   and you can press the other button to turn it off,

01:06:27   and it's like, alarm clock mode for your watch,

01:06:30   which is super clever.

01:06:31   I have never thought to put my watch in that orientation,

01:06:35   but I guess I'll try it tonight and see what happens.

01:06:37   And all of these stands.

01:06:39   - All the stands.

01:06:40   - So none of them are in that orientation.

01:06:44   - No.

01:06:45   - So now there needs to be new stands.

01:06:46   - Yeah.

01:06:47   - Not newsstand, newsstands.

01:06:49   - No, newsstands.

01:06:51   - Newsstands that work in this orientation,

01:06:55   which is very sad.

01:06:55   I feel terrible for people like 12 South.

01:06:59   Like that's sad.

01:07:01   So obviously we got what we wanted.

01:07:04   we get native apps and there's, yeah,

01:07:07   there's, I don't really know what to say here.

01:07:10   There's gonna be native apps.

01:07:12   - Yeah, and this is big because right now the UI,

01:07:14   well, Apple didn't say a lot about it either.

01:07:16   Apple said, "Hey, the UI, you know, was on the watch,

01:07:20   but the all the logic was happening on the iPhone app

01:07:22   and now it won't, it'll be on the watch, yay."

01:07:24   And then they moved on.

01:07:26   - Because I guess the people that know what that means

01:07:28   are happy with that, they don't need to say anymore.

01:07:30   - Well, there's more sessions at WWDC,

01:07:32   but I think they felt they didn't want to dive deeper.

01:07:34   - It wasn't necessary.

01:07:35   - Well, I mean, they did go into a list of things

01:07:38   that it does, right?

01:07:39   So it can use the network when you're on wifi,

01:07:44   which there were a couple of people I know mentioned

01:07:47   sort of like, well, why does that matter?

01:07:50   And it matters that if your phone is at home,

01:07:52   but you're at the market on the market's wifi,

01:07:55   those apps can use the network,

01:07:58   even though they're not attached to your phone.

01:08:00   Right now, that wouldn't work

01:08:01   because without your phone nearby,

01:08:03   they don't run those apps over the internet.

01:08:07   - Do you know where that's better?

01:08:08   The gym.

01:08:09   - Yeah, exactly, right?

01:08:10   - So the gym's wifi.

01:08:12   - Yeah, yeah.

01:08:12   So even if you're nowhere near well,

01:08:14   there your phone and your watch might be on the same wifi

01:08:18   if you bring your watch to the gym.

01:08:19   - Well, you don't have to take your phone to the gym.

01:08:20   - But you don't have to take the phone to the gym, right.

01:08:23   I mean, for me, the example is I walk over to Whole Foods

01:08:25   and I just have my watch on.

01:08:26   I get to Whole Foods and I'm on the Whole Foods wifi,

01:08:29   all the apps in my watch will just work

01:08:30   or I go to Starbucks and I'm on the Starbucks Wi-Fi,

01:08:33   they just work.

01:08:34   So that's a big plus.

01:08:36   They have access, they can play audio out of the speaker

01:08:39   or to Bluetooth headphones.

01:08:40   They can play video.

01:08:42   - Use the microphone.

01:08:43   - They can use the microphone.

01:08:44   They said long or short form audio and short form video.

01:08:49   I thought that was interesting. - Yeah, Vines.

01:08:50   - Do not play YouTube videos in here.

01:08:52   - Nope.

01:08:53   - But Vines you could do.

01:08:54   Access to health kit including heart rate,

01:08:57   home kit access natively on the watch, accelerometer access,

01:09:00   the Taptic Engine where you can choose.

01:09:02   It sounds like you don't say buzz the Taptic Engine.

01:09:05   What they said was choose from a range of feelings.

01:09:09   So you'll choose from an emotion palette, I guess,

01:09:13   a vibration and sound pairing that have been curated for you

01:09:17   presumably by Apple's sound vibration,

01:09:20   Taptic pairing sommeliers or whatever.

01:09:25   But you could do that.

01:09:26   So you can, if you read a native app,

01:09:28   'cause right now the existing Watch

01:09:44   that I would give is it's a big win for apps

01:09:46   that need that stuff, you know,

01:09:49   because there are a lot of watch apps

01:09:50   that I feel are sort of like pointless,

01:09:52   but there are also some that will be great

01:09:55   when they have access to this stuff.

01:09:57   - Do you have anything else you wanted to touch on

01:09:59   with the watch?

01:10:00   - I don't know.

01:10:03   I'll just say I'm looking forward to hearing

01:10:06   what developers think of the watchOS stuff,

01:10:09   because that's the open question.

01:10:10   Anybody listening to ATP has heard Marco talk about,

01:10:13   I don't know if I even want to do a native watch app

01:10:17   'cause like it's all in the details

01:10:19   of what it allows him to do.

01:10:21   And as somebody who runs and has a watch

01:10:26   and has an iPhone and listens to podcasts,

01:10:28   I do kind of like the idea of being able to take

01:10:33   Overcast with me with a couple of podcasts

01:10:37   and not have to bring my phone with me.

01:10:38   I would like to do that.

01:10:39   And if the new watch native apps interface

01:10:44   allows Marco to build that tool for me,

01:10:46   I would love to have it.

01:10:48   But there are like 10 things it has to support.

01:10:52   And if one of them isn't there, he can't do it.

01:10:56   So I'm looking forward to hearing,

01:10:58   after the developers all go to all the sessions this week,

01:11:00   of course, that they'll report back.

01:11:04   And I'm looking forward to that.

01:11:05   'Cause that'll give all of us non-developers

01:11:08   a little bit of a better sense of scope

01:11:10   of what the universe of possible Apple Watch apps is,

01:11:13   because it's not gonna be everything we can imagine.

01:11:16   There are gonna be limitations,

01:11:18   limitations of the operating system,

01:11:20   limitations of that little tiny device.

01:11:22   It's not that powerful, it's tiny.

01:11:26   So I'm looking forward to that,

01:11:27   now that it's out in the open,

01:11:29   because Apple promised this from day one.

01:11:31   Apple said back in September of last year,

01:11:34   there will be native apps eventually,

01:11:36   and we're getting very close to eventually now,

01:11:38   and we finally are gonna have the details.

01:11:40   So I'm looking forward to finding out from the developers

01:11:42   what they are.

01:11:43   - I couldn't help but watch that segment

01:11:45   and think you should have just waited and launched at this.

01:11:48   - Yeah, honestly, I think you're right now,

01:11:53   because although there are some good apps,

01:11:55   there are a lot of bad apps,

01:11:57   and there's also a lot of,

01:11:58   the reliance on that kind of tethering,

01:12:01   I have times when apps just don't launch on my watch,

01:12:04   and I can't tell why it's happening.

01:12:05   They just don't launch.

01:12:07   - I just--

01:12:08   - And it's different apps at different times.

01:12:09   Sometimes they launch, sometimes they don't.

01:12:11   Some apps never launch, some apps launch half the time.

01:12:15   It's kind of a mess.

01:12:16   And they're not that good.

01:12:18   I would rather have just had glances, honestly.

01:12:22   (laughs)

01:12:23   Little information glances.

01:12:25   Some-- - On their apps.

01:12:26   - Twitterific is good.

01:12:27   The Twitterific app is really good.

01:12:29   But, you know, I don't know.

01:12:31   - There are good apps,

01:12:31   but they all suffer from the same problems.

01:12:33   and then there are a huge number that are not good.

01:12:36   - Yeah, I mean, there'll be loads of not good native apps,

01:12:40   but the good native apps will benefit, will be even better.

01:12:44   'Cause even the good ones are bad in some ways

01:12:47   and it's not the developer's fault that they're bad.

01:12:50   Now, the point, so this is really interesting,

01:12:54   the music section.

01:12:57   Now, we were talking earlier, right at the top of the show,

01:13:01   about criticizing positively and negatively

01:13:05   the products and the announcements

01:13:07   and criticizing the presentation.

01:13:10   We didn't even mention the intro video,

01:13:13   like the comedy intro video.

01:13:14   - We had a couple of videos, right?

01:13:16   There was the Bill Hader video at the beginning,

01:13:21   which was funny. - Funny, it was good.

01:13:23   It worked.

01:13:24   - I thought it was funny and making,

01:13:29   I mean, it really was like, let's do a Saturday Night Live video about Apple things, making

01:13:33   references. There's the birds from Monument Valley were in there.

01:13:37   Angry birds get angry, shaking the bird.

01:13:40   It was funny. So there was that video. There were a bunch of videos, because there was

01:13:45   a video later about how great music is.

01:13:49   How great developers are.

01:13:51   How great developers are, how the app stores changed the world.

01:13:54   Lots of videos, actually.

01:13:55   Lots of videos in there.

01:13:57   The problem with music is, so for me,

01:14:00   as a person that wanted this service,

01:14:02   they have given me everything I wanted in theory.

01:14:04   I still feel like there's a lot more I need to learn.

01:14:06   - So Apple Music is what we're talking about.

01:14:07   - Yeah, Apple Music.

01:14:08   - It's the Beats Music revised to be Apple Music,

01:14:11   new service, which they announced.

01:14:13   You didn't really announce that clearly,

01:14:14   you just sort of jumped into it.

01:14:16   Paralleling, I think, this event,

01:14:20   which never really was super clear on what the service was.

01:14:26   There are a lot of questions, but the overview of what I've seen is exactly what I want.

01:14:32   It's a streaming service that has curation with playlists done by humans.

01:14:38   Yeah, and they made a point. That's one of their big differentiators is they really believe in human curators who know and love music.

01:14:45   And that they are, they said, you got to go beyond the algorithm. You can't just have an algorithm. You have to have people.

01:14:52   And that's what they're pushing here, which was Beats's...

01:14:57   Beats tried to make a big thing about that too, and Apple is extending that.

01:15:01   And I think that's good. This is very much Beats Music integrated into Apple's music app.

01:15:07   The problem was the presentation of this service seemed under-rehearsed,

01:15:14   and way too long, and just unfocused.

01:15:22   If we get to meta, meta, if we pull back to meta key, key note criticism as a presentation,

01:15:29   I felt like the first 90 minutes of the pre-- this presentation was really, really good.

01:15:32   Yep.

01:15:33   Tight, focused, disciplined, on message.

01:15:39   The last segment with music was none of those things.

01:15:43   It was flabby, it was undisciplined, it was self-indulgent, it failed to sell the product.

01:15:50   I will, as somebody who was at Macworld Expo in New York

01:15:55   in 2001 where John Rubenstein spent like half an hour

01:15:59   with weird animations of how the megahertz myth

01:16:02   wasn't real of Apple versus Intel,

01:16:04   this is the worst keynote performance since then,

01:16:08   this segment.

01:16:09   This was a bad, they did a bad job.

01:16:12   - Yeah.

01:16:13   - And part of that might be,

01:16:13   well, those music guys, they're crazy,

01:16:16   but I gotta say, there was a moment in there

01:16:19   when Eddie Q was joking around on stage where I thought,

01:16:24   oh, this is what people mean when they say

01:16:27   that they find Apple presentations insufferable and arrogant.

01:16:30   And I don't generally agree with that.

01:16:32   I think that those people are generally wrong,

01:16:34   but it was like I was taken through the looking glass

01:16:37   for a moment there, 'cause I thought it was awful.

01:16:39   I thought they did a bad job.

01:16:41   They didn't sell the product,

01:16:43   and it was various degrees of embarrassing.

01:16:48   degrees of embarrassing. I mean, I thought Eddie Q went on way too long, like he was

01:16:52   really enjoying being on stage and was wasting our time.

01:16:55   He was playing so much music it didn't make any sense.

01:16:56   He was playing music loudly while talking, he was giving us a demo. I mean, if we want

01:17:00   to talk about the discipline here, he was giving us a demo of the music app. Like, this

01:17:04   is a... it felt like a presentation of a music service by people who don't understand how

01:17:09   to present services, and so they just presented an app and showed the music service inside

01:17:13   the app, but I don't think that did a good job of showing it. Like, yes, we know

01:17:17   how the music app works, but is the big story here that they revamped the music

01:17:23   app or that there's a whole music service backing it? And it felt like at

01:17:26   times that the music app was the story. There was also a really funny moment, I

01:17:30   actually had to lean over to Dan Morin and say, did I just hear that right? Where

01:17:33   he said, say we want to find an album. What we do is we tap on this button down

01:17:37   at the bottom that says "Artists." And the answer is it's like a toggle for

01:17:42   for all your different search types.

01:17:44   But in that moment I was like,

01:17:45   wow, that's really bad user interface design.

01:17:47   To find albums, tap artists.

01:17:49   To find artists, tap albums.

01:17:51   Because it's never the thing you want to search for,

01:17:53   it's the thing that you're already looking at.

01:17:55   But again, I was like, this is an app demo

01:17:59   and the service is the story,

01:18:00   so why are you demoing the app and not the service?

01:18:04   Jimmy Iovine's presentation was rambly and--

01:18:06   - He either didn't care or was really nervous.

01:18:09   I can't decide which one it was.

01:18:12   And that one was amazing because I felt like

01:18:14   if this was a third, somebody they carted out

01:18:18   from some other, from a record company

01:18:20   to make a presentation, they would have said,

01:18:22   "Look, you got 30 seconds and then we're just gonna

01:18:24   "come back out there and get you

01:18:25   "and turn off your microphone."

01:18:26   But he works for the company now.

01:18:28   They can't turn off his mic.

01:18:29   They can't use the big hook to pull him off stage.

01:18:31   He works for Apple.

01:18:32   So they just left him out there.

01:18:34   And then they brought Drake out.

01:18:36   And Drake, which was literally like,

01:18:38   I mean, again, again, I think this is the difference

01:18:40   between the tech industry and the music industry,

01:18:42   music industry, it's like schmoozing and talking up the artists and all this stuff, and that's

01:18:48   the problem I have with this presentation, I think fundamentally, in addition to it being

01:18:51   undisciplined and way too long and having no focus, is that it didn't feel like it was

01:18:56   about the consumers so much as about paying service to the music industry.

01:19:00   Drake was supposed to come on stage to explain the connect feature.

01:19:03   Yeah, to say this is what I'm really excited about connecting with my fans.

01:19:06   Instead, he told his story.

01:19:08   I don't know why he did that.

01:19:10   And then went away again.

01:19:12   That just...

01:19:13   Oh, yeah.

01:19:14   So, you know, I'm a Beats Music user.

01:19:17   I think this...

01:19:18   I'm excited about this.

01:19:19   It sounds like Beats Music users will be able to log in at the end of the month and basically

01:19:25   transfer all of their stuff over, I think, to Apple Music.

01:19:30   I think any credit that you've got in Beats Music transfers to iTunes.

01:19:34   There's a whole process that'll happen.

01:19:36   It seems like most of the Beats Music features are there and then they've been maybe augmented

01:19:39   a little bit, but, um, and they're doing this, uh, they're doing this radio station thing,

01:19:45   which like, um, like, uh, like, podcasting is worldwide and immediate, which is nice,

01:19:51   instead of like being in four countries that's gonna be everywhere, with your guy, Zane Lowe.

01:19:56   So Zane Lowe's heading beats one. Now, I have a, I, I can see why they're calling it beats

01:20:04   one because eventually there'll be beats two and there'll be beats three.

01:20:10   Zane Lowe came from Radio One. Radio One's logo looks incredibly like Beats One's logo

01:20:18   and I'm not sure why they have decided to go that route. I don't know if he advised

01:20:24   on it and Apple have not done due diligence but there are...

01:20:30   Trademark issues?

01:20:31   think

01:20:50   channel that is DJ'd. That is not taking into account different music tastes. And it seemed

01:20:56   like they will have other radio, but that's going to be the radio that they criticised.

01:21:01   Which I didn't understand. The playlist radio. But there is going to be a curated radio which

01:21:06   I will tune into because Zane Lowe is amazing. And do you know what they spoke about which

01:21:09   I found so exciting? They said they are building radio programs. They are creating radio programs

01:21:17   and they're hiring people to make those.

01:21:18   They have three DJs, whose names I can't remember,

01:21:21   and they're New York, LA, and London.

01:21:25   - Yeah.

01:21:26   - And the lady who was the London DJ

01:21:29   was doing the voiceover for the video.

01:21:31   - That's Julie in London.

01:21:34   - Julie in London, there you go.

01:21:35   And so the service looks to me exactly what I want.

01:21:40   Apple did a horrific job of presenting that.

01:21:43   - And that's what I was getting at, you know,

01:21:45   is I can criticize the presentation.

01:21:48   I think the service is really interesting.

01:21:50   In fact, one of the reasons I feel like

01:21:52   I have to criticize the presentation even more

01:21:55   is that you can kind of forgive them

01:21:59   from obfuscating something that's not any good

01:22:02   and being like, "Look, look, fireworks, sparklers,

01:22:06   "an elephant, woo!"

01:22:08   There's this thing, it's the Motorola Rocker, yeah!

01:22:12   Right?

01:22:14   But this looks good.

01:22:16   It's Apple's first foray into music streaming subscription service.

01:22:22   They mean business.

01:22:23   They're putting it on Android.

01:22:25   They mean business here.

01:22:26   I know, right?

01:22:27   And yet, so one of the reasons that I'm this critical of the way that they presented it

01:22:33   is I think they did a bad job of presenting a good product.

01:22:35   And that's offensive to me more than anything else.

01:22:37   It's like, come on guys, you had this really interesting thing and you rolled it out in

01:22:42   this just bloated egocentric, you know, and it doesn't help that there was that

01:22:46   video not too much before this where they, where somebody literally compared

01:22:51   the App Store to the Industrial Revolution. That was priming the pump a

01:22:55   little bit of like, really? That is laying it on pretty thick. But the music thing

01:22:59   just put it to shame. The, the, the Eddy Cue dancing to music and the karaoke

01:23:04   references and the Jimmy Iovine's rambling and Drake not being sure why he

01:23:09   was there like, you know, he just turned up.

01:23:12   - They were writing jokes for him

01:23:13   that he didn't understand, like the revolutionary,

01:23:15   like it's three things, a revolutionary music service.

01:23:17   - Oh, well that killed me that Jimmy Iovine was making,

01:23:19   that slide makes reference to Steve Jobs thing,

01:23:22   I thought that's where he was going,

01:23:23   which is why everybody laughed.

01:23:23   - He didn't get the joke.

01:23:24   - And instead he's confused why people are laughing,

01:23:26   he looks behind him at the slide, he goes, "Oh yeah!"

01:23:29   Like, he doesn't really even understand what was happening.

01:23:31   And that would have been funny,

01:23:32   like Apple Music is three things,

01:23:35   it's a revolutionary this, it's the, are you getting it?

01:23:37   That would have been a funny bit.

01:23:38   Instead, he was just confused and rambly and, you know.

01:23:43   - Make a new endo.

01:23:45   - It's saying something that Eddy Cue

01:23:46   was the third worst presenter in that segment.

01:23:49   (laughing)

01:23:50   There's Drake, we got Drake.

01:23:52   Drake's at the top.

01:23:53   - Ah, really far.

01:23:56   - It was not good.

01:23:57   So it's 90 minutes of good,

01:23:58   and then there was this kind of like flabby,

01:24:01   unfocused thing at the end to launch the service,

01:24:04   and the services are better.

01:24:06   Do you know what it's just done?

01:24:07   What it's just done here, it's gonna do everywhere.

01:24:09   We're talking about how bad the presentation was

01:24:11   and not how good the product is.

01:24:13   We haven't even said about how much it's gonna cost,

01:24:15   we haven't spoken about any of that.

01:24:15   - Which is why I was saying, this is really useful

01:24:18   when you are trying to hide things.

01:24:20   But when you've got something you wanna stand behind,

01:24:23   unless this is like, well, let's analyze

01:24:26   Eddy Cue's blinking for Morse code,

01:24:27   perhaps he's sending secret messages to the music industry.

01:24:30   And this whole thing is pitched at artists

01:24:34   to get them excited because it certainly felt like, you know, music industry puffery about

01:24:40   how great Apple is and artists and we love them and all of that instead of being pitch

01:24:43   to consumers.

01:24:44   Maybe that was the point.

01:24:46   Maybe this is all about how, you know, Taylor Swift really ought to talk, you know, call

01:24:50   at EQ and call Jimmy Iovine and get in on this great thing.

01:24:55   But it's a shame if you're trying to make a clear message of this new service that you're

01:25:00   you're launching.

01:25:01   So it's $9.99 a month.

01:25:03   First three months are gonna be free.

01:25:06   It launches at the end of June.

01:25:08   So people are gonna get to use it for three months for free.

01:25:10   Then it's $9.99 a month or $14.99 a month

01:25:14   for up to six members of your family.

01:25:16   That uses iTunes family sharing to do that.

01:25:21   But that means that your kids' music tastes

01:25:24   are not recommended for you, which is key.

01:25:28   That's important.

01:25:29   And yeah, yeah, and Android. Android in the fall.

01:25:37   So I'm looking at they've got a free tier, they've got a paid tier.

01:25:41   So the free tier, you can view and follow artists on Kinect, you can listen to Beats 1,

01:25:45   and you can listen to Apple Music radio stations.

01:25:48   Sure.

01:25:49   But you can't skip them.

01:25:51   And then with the paid tier, you can skip the radio stations, like the Curate radio stations, that kind of thing.

01:25:57   You can play and save connect content.

01:25:59   You can like connect content or radio songs.

01:26:02   Enjoy unlimited listening from the music library.

01:26:04   Add stuff from the music library to your collection.

01:26:06   Save for offline and get the expert music recommendations.

01:26:09   That's what comes with paying for Apple Music.

01:26:11   - And that's basically what we have now, right?

01:26:13   That's like you're paying for Beats music.

01:26:15   iTunes Match exists, it's sold separately.

01:26:18   It's not integrated in any way.

01:26:19   And yeah, so it's, if you want to stream, you can do that.

01:26:26   but if you want to skip or have access to the library, you pay.

01:26:30   And then that I think it makes sense. I just am a little, it was weird.

01:26:34   It was really weird that that struck me as a nice 15 minute, um,

01:26:39   capper to the event. And instead it was this 30 minutes, just bizarre thing.

01:26:44   It was like Merlin man summed it up greatly in an ask upgrade tweet to us.

01:26:48   He said, for real, please explain Apple music slowly to me.

01:26:51   It's beats plus iTunes match plus social something like, yeah. I mean,

01:26:56   That was what they needed to explain.

01:26:57   - Right, and it's not iTunes match.

01:26:59   Yeah, it's iTunes match.

01:27:01   When you think about it, it makes sense.

01:27:02   iTunes match is more of a service for people who own music.

01:27:04   - Well, I mean, the thing is it's not iTunes match,

01:27:06   but they did say that the stuff that you have bought

01:27:09   will show up in your Apple music library.

01:27:11   - Yes.

01:27:12   - So it is kind of like iTunes match.

01:27:14   - Right.

01:27:16   - Yeah, as long as you're--

01:27:17   - Well, if I buy a Taylor Swift CD and rip it,

01:27:21   it's in my iTunes library for iTunes match,

01:27:23   but I'm pretty sure if I'm just,

01:27:27   if that's not on the service,

01:27:28   then it's not gonna show up.

01:27:29   - But that doesn't matter because you can just,

01:27:31   I don't even know why they do it anyway.

01:27:33   - Yeah.

01:27:34   - I think it just shows up in your library automatically.

01:27:36   I think that's the thing.

01:27:37   - Maybe automagically.

01:27:38   - Yeah, automagically.

01:27:39   - That's even better.

01:27:40   - So should we do this mask upgrade?

01:27:43   - Yeah, let's do it.

01:27:43   Let's do it.

01:27:44   We'll move on.

01:27:45   Enough negativity about--

01:27:46   - I'm really excited about Apple Music.

01:27:49   This is exactly what we have been speaking about.

01:27:51   - I think the Beats 1 thing is really a cool idea too.

01:27:53   Yeah, I love that. We've been talking about this on Connected for months and this is exactly

01:27:58   what me and Federico want, but they were ham-fisted and awkward and just par quality.

01:28:08   Maybe it'll be like having a baby, you know, in the end you get the baby and you don't

01:28:11   have to worry about how awful the experience was, you just forget that part. Maybe it'll

01:28:16   be like that.

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01:30:23   - I have some follow up from Leon in the chat room.

01:30:25   So this comes from Apple's pages.

01:30:27   - Leon keeps pasting things in.

01:30:28   See, I haven't read Apple's pages

01:30:29   because I just went to the keynote.

01:30:31   - We just walked right in.

01:30:32   - All my information about Apple Music

01:30:34   is the information content of the presentation

01:30:37   about Apple Music, which as we've just detailed,

01:30:39   it was not a lot.

01:30:41   - Your entire library lives in iCloud

01:30:44   when you're an Apple Music member.

01:30:46   First, we identify all the tracks

01:30:48   in your personal collection and compare them

01:30:50   to add to the Apple Music library to see if we have copies.

01:30:53   If we do, we make them instantly available in iCloud

01:30:56   across all your devices.

01:30:57   If you have music that's not in the Apple Music library,

01:31:00   we upload those songs from iTunes on your Mac or PC

01:31:03   and because it's all stored in iCloud.

01:31:06   So it's available everywhere.

01:31:07   So it is iTunes match.

01:31:09   - Yeah, so basically iTunes match seems to be for people

01:31:12   who don't wanna pay for a streaming service.

01:31:14   then you just pay for iTunes Match.

01:31:17   - Steven Hackett, ladies and gentlemen.

01:31:19   - That's interesting.

01:31:20   Well then, if that's the case,

01:31:21   then I can just let my iTunes Match subscription lapse.

01:31:24   - Mine renewed like a week ago,

01:31:26   and I forgot about it. - Yeah, I wonder

01:31:26   if I could talk them into transferring that into credit

01:31:29   or something since I've already got, I don't know.

01:31:32   But yeah, then it is, it has that feature inside it.

01:31:35   - I have a small selection of Ask Upgrade.

01:31:38   - Yes, we got a lot, and thank you everybody.

01:31:40   - Yeah, we got a lot.

01:31:40   We actually answered a bunch of them throughout the episode.

01:31:42   So I've gone in and I've picked out the stuff

01:31:44   that I think is left that we haven't yet spoken about.

01:31:46   So this comes from Ben.

01:31:48   What is the significance of Apple making Swift open source?

01:31:52   This is something I don't really get.

01:31:57   - Well, okay, my guess is that the advantage of that

01:32:00   is that it can't be seen as a proprietary thing

01:32:03   that Apple can run away with,

01:32:06   that theoretically somebody could implement Swift elsewhere

01:32:09   on other platforms and that would be okay.

01:32:11   I'm not sure if it has any practical use or not.

01:32:14   I would like to hear a developer who's familiar with platforms

01:32:18   and languages and things like that talk more about it.

01:32:23   I like that Apple's open about it and not trying to say,

01:32:25   "No, no, this is ours. Stay away."

01:32:27   -I guess listen to ATP, right? -Yeah.

01:32:29   -You'll get what you need. -Yeah.

01:32:31   Basically, I want to hear what Jon has to say about it.

01:32:33   -Yeah. -So that's a follow-out,

01:32:35   future follow-out.

01:32:37   -From Nathan, would you have expected Apple

01:32:39   to address stability or issues like discovery D in this venue?

01:32:44   Or do you think they'll do this in other points

01:32:46   at WWDC in the week?

01:32:49   Or just completely gloss over it and just be like,

01:32:53   "Just say what they said. We're making it better."

01:32:55   -There's probably a session somewhere

01:32:57   where they'll talk about it that's about,

01:32:59   you know, some esoteric something involving

01:33:02   low-level networking or networking APIs

01:33:07   or something like that where somebody will say,

01:33:09   "Oh yeah, we brought back the old one

01:33:12   'cause it's more stable and thank you for your feedback

01:33:15   and we'll bring back the new one once we're sure

01:33:17   that it will work better or something."

01:33:19   I think that'll be it.

01:33:21   - And then we have from The Hexagon,

01:33:23   what do you think of the new photo extensions for Mac?

01:33:27   The idea that they're gonna have them,

01:33:29   I mean, they kinda mentioned that this might be a thing.

01:33:31   Yeah, what do you think about that?

01:33:34   - It's good.

01:33:35   The more extensions you can add to photos, the better,

01:33:40   because that functionality,

01:33:41   there's sort of base functionality there.

01:33:43   And they suggested when they announced

01:33:45   that Aperture was going away,

01:33:46   I think they implied that that would happen,

01:33:49   and it just hadn't happened with the 1.0.

01:33:51   In fact, I think I wrote a little sidebar in my book

01:33:53   about photos that says it's a 1.0,

01:33:58   and it's entirely possible that their strategy

01:34:02   is what it was with Final Cut,

01:34:03   which is get the 1.0 out there,

01:34:05   and then start adding in all those features

01:34:07   that everybody's complaining that aren't there,

01:34:09   but they couldn't do it all at once,

01:34:11   so they'll roll them in,

01:34:12   and maybe that's what we're looking at here,

01:34:15   is rolling some of that stuff in now.

01:34:17   - Rajeev asked, "Are you surprised

01:34:19   "there was no announcement on photos

01:34:21   "or iCloud storage pricing?"

01:34:22   - I'm not surprised, I'm a little disappointed.

01:34:26   I'm not sure that was necessary now.

01:34:28   I think they could announce that at any point

01:34:30   if they really wanna change their storage pricing.

01:34:32   I do feel like it's too high and it's going to depress use of these services, but, you know, if that's--

01:34:40   Apple has better numbers about that. All I have is my, you know, opinions.

01:34:44   Apple has really good numbers about that sort of thing. I'm sure they have estimates internally about how well they think this is going to sell

01:34:51   and how many people are complaining that they're out of space or whatever and what the size of the average photo library is

01:34:56   and all these things that they probably know, and if they feel like they're not living up

01:35:02   to what they expect and suspect that it's because their pricing is too high, then they'll

01:35:06   change it. I don't think they need to do it today. I'm a little disappointed because it

01:35:09   would have been, I want it to happen, I want them to be more competitive with their rates,

01:35:14   but you know, they could do that. They could literally do that anytime and not even tell

01:35:17   anybody and just change it. They don't even need an event or a press release.

01:35:22   from Josh, does Notes still have the terrible paper background texture?

01:35:26   I think so. Yeah, that's unfortunate I think. I wish they would have gotten rid of that.

01:35:32   Maybe there's a preference to... I wish, I wish, there won't be, but I wish

01:35:35   there was. I don't think there is. I think if they're

01:35:37   gonna make the app more sensible and serious, I think they should treat the UI similarly,

01:35:42   in my opinion. I think that I don't even understand why in the iOS 7 land it would still look

01:35:48   like that and have like this text paper background.

01:35:51   - The legal pad thing too is just baffling to me.

01:35:55   - Yeah.

01:35:55   - Post-it notes.

01:35:57   - Yeah, very weird.

01:35:58   - No.

01:35:59   - Not a fan of that, but we'll see what happens there.

01:36:02   I think we've come to the end.

01:36:03   - I think so.

01:36:04   - So.

01:36:05   - We've reached the end now.

01:36:06   - We're gonna be doing a bunch of shows

01:36:07   from San Francisco this week.

01:36:09   There's gonna be a lot more coverage of WVDC.

01:36:11   You wanna check out Connected, Clockwise and Rocket.

01:36:14   Gonna be a bunch of different angles on this stuff

01:36:17   and we're gonna be covering it throughout the week,

01:36:18   so you can check those out on relay.fm.

01:36:21   There'll be a lot of interesting stuff there

01:36:23   that you'll be able to treat your ears to

01:36:26   throughout this week as we find out more about this stuff

01:36:30   and talk about it as the week goes on,

01:36:31   talk to developers, see what they think,

01:36:33   and we'll be able to report back to you guys

01:36:36   what the word on the street in San Francisco is.

01:36:39   - That's right, we're here,

01:36:40   we're high atop the relay towers right now,

01:36:42   broadcasting live at, like Beats 1.

01:36:46   These one will join us later, but we are broadcasting live worldwide with no release, no staggered

01:36:51   release windows simultaneously worldwide right now.

01:36:53   Just how we do it.

01:36:54   From San Francisco.

01:36:56   If you want to send us in feedback, follow up, that kind of thing, you know, you can

01:36:59   always use #AskUpgrade for that stuff as well as your questions.

01:37:04   You can speak to me and Jason personally on Twitter.

01:37:06   Jason is @JSNELL, J-S-N-E-L-L-L, and I am @imike, I-M-Y-K-E. Jason will have some great

01:37:13   coverage and thoughts and feelings about this stuff over at sixcolors.com so you can check

01:37:17   him out there. I'm sure you'll be getting Dan to help you out with that as well.

01:37:20   He's working on something right now, in fact. Wow, look at that.

01:37:23   And then we'll be here for Clockwise on Wednesday, hopefully.

01:37:26   Yep, so that would be really good stuff. So you can check that out. Thanks again to our

01:37:29   sponsors this week, Mail Route, Hover, and Field Notes, and we'll be back next time.

01:37:34   Say goodbye, Jason Snow. Goodbye, Myke Hurley, from a robot.

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