The Incomparable

00:00:00 ◼   ► they in turn purple number 330 December [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► 2016 welcome back everybody to the [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► uncomfortable i'm your host Jason Steele [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► we are taking we're gonna be really [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► timely this time and talk about a show [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► that just finished its first season this [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► very week as we record this [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► in fact it's just only been a day we're [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► recording this early in the week it is [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► westworld season one on HBO which we've [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► been following rapidly and now I've [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► convened a panel to talk about the first [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► 10 episodes that have just spooled out [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► here on HBO [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► joining me to talk about westworld are [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► some familiar faces and some old friends [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► and some new friends [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► so let me introduce them to you Glenn [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► fleischmann uh an old enemy from the [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► past high Glen Jason you don't look like [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► anything to me [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► funny that's weird John Syracuse's also [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► here probably a human you know Jason [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► some people choose to see the ugliness [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► podcast Tony solara skechers Tony how [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► many nerds [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► oh nice Nathan alderman is back with us [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► a veteran TV and and and even the [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► incomparable I think contributor on his [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► second episode i think with us hi Nathan [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► hello Jason you make a terrible human [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► being and I mean that as a compliment [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► very nice and I would be remiss if I did [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► not introduce the other two members of [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► our panel because you could introduce [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► everybody but they are the co-host of [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► our own TV podcasts special westworld [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► segment it is [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► greetings from the uncanny valley Kelly [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► amant is here I Kelly how do battery and [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► Don melton shall we drink to the lady [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► with the white shoes reference [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► acknowledged that's what if you want to [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► dive deep in there are many westworld [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► podcast but i would say the one that you [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► really should be listening to is kelly [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► and Don's podcast because it's great and [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► you'll hear them talk about all sorts of [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► theories and interesting things is gonna [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► be kind of like a high-level overview [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► now that the season is over sort of [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► looking at it and not so much with the [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► theorizing so maybe we'll talk a little [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► bit at the end of that season two but [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► about sort of how this [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► how the show works so it's fascinating [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► because this is a a TV series based on a [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► movie from 1973 that was written and [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► directed by michael crichton and it [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► famously started your Brenner as a man [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► in black but also a robot and and this [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► is a guy I when I heard they were doing [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► this is a series i was a little bit [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► skeptical Osik I you know [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► westworld the kind of cheesy seventies [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► killer robots movie but you know the i [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► was impressed with had the execution [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► from the very beginning it they spent a [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► lot of money on it there's a lot of [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► fantastic actors in it and I I [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► appreciated that they give they had 10 [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► hours to tell this story and so didn't [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► like jump to the killer robots in the [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► first episode which i think i think was [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► nice so let's start there what was [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► everybody's uh if you got anything to [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► say about sort of expectations going in [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► about what you what you really thought [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► you would find in West world i think [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► that might be a good place to start [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► how many of you actually saw the movie [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► in the theaters just are interested in [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► the ancient everyone here done i think [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► you're getting some math there and yeah [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► you know right I didn't see the movie [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► when I was a child on the television [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► device as did i [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► yeah and so I i had i thought oh my god [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► they're gonna make that into it [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► TV show and so my expectations were solo [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► which is probably why i love the show i [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► remember reading the book as a child but [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► I never like I saw the movie on TV in a [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► couple of times and honestly my frame of [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► reference for this was the Simpsons [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► episode where they go to mark where [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► there's a bunch of robots mm systemic [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► you [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► yeah so I sort of remember it from that [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► and going and oh yeah right they were [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► making fun of that movie that starred [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► yul brenner that I remember watching [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► like on a you know on a Sunday when it [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► was raining on the channel that showed [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► old movies on days when it rained in I [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► don't remember the movie very vividly [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► but I remember being interested as I [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► heard the names of the people involved [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► regardless of what it was that they were [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► going to do my expectation was a certain [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► level just based on [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► it's least enjoy its Jonathan Nolan but [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► i'm anthony hopkins in it so like all of [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► those things all of the you know sandy [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► news in it all of these people that I [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► heard were in it [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► I sort of raised those expectations [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► another notch and another notch like [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► whatever the story is that they're [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► telling it's going to be really [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► interesting just based on the writers [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► and actors and what I know of the people [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► of those people now that they're [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► committed to it i don't think i saw the [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► movie maybe I saw bits and pieces of it [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► I kind of vaguely knew the premise I [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► think the only reason i watched it was [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► basically just on pedigree you know I [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► like the actors and the fact that is an [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► HBO show and it looked like it was gonna [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► have a big budget come and when I [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► watched the first episode like they [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► dumped the dump the whole premise on you [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► like it was so clear for episode 1 that [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► whatever whatever big notions I had of [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► the premise this wasn't going to be show [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► we're like you eventually find out that [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► they're robots it's like within 10 [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► minutes like that have an actual [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► voiceover saying here's the deal [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► this park is the people use the rules [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► all Bamako alright well that settles [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► that I was like this is I guess this [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► isn't going to be a show with a lot of [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► reveals I thought so we summer child [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► yeah I kind of thought I i saw what they [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► were going with it by the end of episode [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► one from like but they just dump it [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► dumped all the things that I didn't know [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► about westworld they dumped them in [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► episode 1 and then moved on to all the [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► things that I guess none of us knew [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► about West because I guess if you'd seen [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► the movie like a West theme Bart robots [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► kill humans whatever I mean obviously [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► doing it to human killing part but it [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► doesn't slide died John oh my yeah they [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► spent ten episodes and they didn't [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► really get to the human killing until [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► the very very end so we had an entire [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► season of television of this show [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► telling its story which was not the [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► story of the movie because i'm assuming [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► the story of the movie like you know [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► that the premises of episode one I was [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► looking forward to a reboot because but [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► i didn't think i was like i thought it's [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► an interesting topic will be seen it [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► explored in so many things you know from [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► data and start track 2 million other [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► movies whatever is like will artificial [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► life gain something you know advantage [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► on us and i do not have HBO or did not [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► happen HBO subscription [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► and uh I think you're because it was on [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► HBO is like well it's probably like just [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► red wedding every episode scream bloody [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► gore and violence [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► see all you know basic human emotions [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► explored and you know looking at the [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► actors are like well this could be good [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► but and then I think by episode three or [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► four at the latest update people were [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► raving about this being something very [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► interesting and different than what they [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► expected including people I respect [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► Jason that includes you [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► hi and that's all my god i want me to go [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► ahead without dancing and anyway but I [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► so i actually had HBO now a subscription [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► in order to watch the show so I i bake [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► an additional cash money without with [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► the expectation that it was probably [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► going to be something unexpected and [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► terrific and I had my expectations [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► rewarded [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► I think I knew almost nothing I've been [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► really busy the last couple months and [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► keeps showing up for stuff and it's like [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► I don't know anything about this you [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► know what it's like it's working out [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► great didn't know anything about a rifle [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► i think basically i was told yet so i [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► got jurassic park but with robot Cowboys [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► check it out and that were worked out [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► great hero your are you a host you can [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► bring up with any memory of things [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► oh he's in a reverie now coach got [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► locked in there Jason is the homes i am [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► the host you were the panel is this it [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► should be obvious by now but i'm going [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► to officially below the spoiler horn [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► right here because yeah we're talking [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► about westworld season one the whole [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► thing if you haven't watched it and [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► don't wanna be spoiled why are you [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► listening to this podcast [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► boiler alert some of the characters are [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► robots [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► yeah there are robots and and kill all [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► humans is a thing that can happen with [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► robots sometimes it happens who knows [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► well now that somebody's brought up [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► jurassic park i just want to point out [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► like this was sort of jurassic park 1 [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► point 0 if you think about it where [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► somebody goes and build something great [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► and then the thing that they built as [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► like entertainment and fun turned on [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► them and that that just got refined with [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► dinosaurs in Jurassic Park not too many [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► years after this if my michael crichton [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► timeline is correct [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► I didn't I'd forgotten written westworld [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► until the series came out and actually [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► looked at our saw in the credits like oh [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► yeah this is another iteration of the [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► same idea from him it's exactly the same [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► and several people in the chat room are [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► pointing out michael crichton clearly [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► got left behind by his parents at an [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► amusement park when he was a created [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► something has issues here there are [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► issues that experience with carnies yeah [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► early script for like a rollercoaster [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► eats people and it's just no one would [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► make that show how statement about ya [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► and killer klowns he did that too [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► so this is what worries me about HBO [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► doing this show was i I was just [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► crossing my fingers hoping maybe go past [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► Crichton's themes because Crichton [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► didn't really have a lot of themes other [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► than you know something goes wrong and [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► our about the robots they'll kill you [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► life will find a way LOL robots [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► dinosaurs it's the same thing right for [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► death he also doesn't and it's like well [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► that's pretty boring I think I've i [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► think i've seen that show and I was so [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► blown away when i watch the first [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► episode I was like okay we're done to [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► remember in the movie there is no reason [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► express just all the sudden robot [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► something happens and they just start [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► killing everybody there's no real like [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► there's not even not even the [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► consciousness thing but it's not even [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► like sabotage is like oh these things [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► are so complex that eventually will [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► break down and kill everyone [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► it's actually realistic depiction of [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► software that's almost more legitimate [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► but let's see now it's my whole career [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► right there there's so much of the first [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► episode that you start to think what is [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► the show going to be about because at [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► times I thought this is this is a show [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► that is about what it means to be human [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► there are times when I think that the [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► show is about sort of slavery [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► and.and which is a common theme actually [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► in in robot sort of stories about sort [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► of like whatever point are they are they [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► alive and are you in slaving them and [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► then it'll at another point I thought [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► this is entirely a show about [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► storytelling and and everything in it [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► because you know they are creating this [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► experience in West world and one of the [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► characters is the annoying british [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► writer who you know is really super [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► annoying but to the point where i got [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► annoyed by him and then as time went on [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► I kind of went through the other side to [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► being enjoying how annoying he was yeah [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► and and then of course forward Anthony [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► Hopkins who is working on his new [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► narrative and there's this whole [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► question of like we are we are trying to [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► identify with the characters were seeing [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► but at the same time we're we're very [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► obviously watching characters tell going [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► through a story not just like the show [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► we're watching but inside that they're [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► there is were asked to empathize with [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► these robots but a lot of what we're [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► given by from them is programming it's [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► there it's dead them going through the [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► script and that dishes so it has all [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► these different levels there and um [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► which leads me to my first question for [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► everybody here which is what do you [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► think about I've heard a lot of people [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► say that West world is problematic [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► because they don't they don't feel like [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► they have a connection to the hosts [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► because they're artificial and they're [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► just following a script what knows that [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► how well that's kind of what kind of [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► monsters say that yeah I had more [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► connection to the host and i had to the [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► human characters nearly all of the human [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► characters are super super terrible [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► their selfish scheming horrible lousy [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► people [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► the hosts are sweet and kind and are at [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► least trying to do something well [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► somehow something that someone some more [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► than others that the first episode of [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► the show though like was entirely from [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► the host perspective like that was that [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► was my you know right i'm coming this is [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► going to show my robots eventually [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► they're going to go wrong you know [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► yada yada but the first episode that the [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► pilot is everything about it firm [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► yeah it is from the perspective of the [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► host even when they the show does Little [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► Miss direct and you know as you look at [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► eddie when they talk about [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► newcomers like maybe he's a newcomer [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► know he's always to everybody in that [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► they keep showing you the host the host [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► day the host patterns going to these [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► things [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► how can you not like the show is telling [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► you you need to understand what it's [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► like to be a host your main characters [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► are basically host and everyone you see [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► it looks like an antagonist is a human [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► and ministers episode one that you know [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► obviously the humans come into it more [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► as they go on but from the get go right [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► out the door like Oh instead of this [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► being a show about like Jurassic Park [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► was about humans that have not been no [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► in a park and the dinosaurs are the [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► threat that's a problem and they resolve [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► spoilers gonna be a human humans parking [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► threats but you're not pathetic towards [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► the dinosaurs your point [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► yeah it looks like they get into a [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► situation where you're like oh our [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► heroes are in danger because the thing [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► that man has made has gone wrong and [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► this one it's over hosts are in danger [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► because they have been made [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► that's what I loved about the first [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► episode they flipped the script on [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► Crichton the original story thank God on [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► craigs original story the man in black [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► is a robot menacing humans you realize [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► as you watch the first episode of the [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► series that this is a show about robots [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► fighting for their lives against humans [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► who are terrorizing that and the man in [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► black is a he literally is a human [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► terrorizing robots in from the very [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► start [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► they set up all these wonderful [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► misdirections to that play out some it [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► takes until episode 10 to do that we [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► assume the man in black is like a [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► perverted sadistic rapist which is true [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► in part but not what we see what we [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► think he's doing to dolores we don't [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► actually know what he does in that bar [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► we don't know what the conversation is [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► or what his behavior is because it's [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► unclear what he wants out of her at that [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► point in his history but there's like so [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► many things into the referees the [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► discussion of robberies which takes [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► these sort of an arc across the whole [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► thing coding errors the the Shakespeare [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► being quoted app the father being [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► replaced kind of showing the fact that [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► even though the hosts have attachments [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► to other people that are clear sort of [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► arise that sets the tone for what [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► happens with made in clinton time later [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► it's pretty even the photograph the [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► photograph showing up i forgot it was in [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► episode one I was just looking at the [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► the rundown and that photograph them [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► becomes you know an arc 2 episode 9 well [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► in the thing that I remember is that [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► when we were when John and I were [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► recording our first episode because we [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► didn't get off the ground until halfway [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► through [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► the season airing so in our first [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► episode when we were talking about [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► episode about westworld episodes one [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► through five one of the things i said at [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► that moment in episode five of those [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► days [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► remember those days i said here's the [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► thing about this show is that the only [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► characters i care about the only [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► characters i care for the only ones I'm [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► invested in our the house except for [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► Bernard haha oh yes I said it I said it [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► out loud and everything Kelly argue with [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► you because the the the other the one [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► human character i had empathy with who [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► turns out is probably human was Ford [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► because I can sort of understand the [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► creator's point of view at the time we [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► weren't sure whether you know he was the [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► kind grandfatherly guy or yeah like you [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► got a victor frankenstein coming up [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► right and it turned out he was pretty [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► much both yes yes he was he was both [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► it's so funny that you know when you [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► think about 135 we haven't seen a whole [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► heck of a lot from him as far as like [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► intent and anything that you could [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► clearly point and go yeah see he's a bad [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► guy or yeah he's a good guy but there [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► really wasn't a lot for as much it was [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► it was funny to me as I started like [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► looking at stuff later that he was [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► always wearing black and white and so it [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► was one of those things where like you [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► couldn't really tell so at that moment [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► we still didn't really know so yeah Dawn [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► was like I sympathize he's a creator [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► I know how that goes i can see sort of [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► standing in those shoes and then we get [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► to the infamous episode 7 and it turns [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► out I was right I was really only simply [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► speak with the and at that point you [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► know it's only been two episodes later [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► and we're all like oh yeah for it is so [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► terrible and then you know from there [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► like just in the second half of the [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► season the journey that you go on as a [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► viewer with what you feel about ford in [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► those last five episodes the back five [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► is intense and the thing that I really [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► liked about unwrapping this show there [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► was a fair amount of payoff for [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► everything but [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► every payoff gave me eight more [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► questions you know or 12 more questions [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► and so I wanted to watch again and watch [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► the more the twisting the payoff right [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► yeah the thing we call recording on our [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► show was we got Noland again and that [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► was certainly true of episode 10 [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► ya know we have sympathy for LC and [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► Stubbs I thought they establish them not [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► is entirely sympathetic but they didn't [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► seem purely awful Stubbs was the cynical [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► guy who kind of kept an eye on the host [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► and we knew that he was advisable [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► because watching that was advisable [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► watching westworld we know stubs will [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► eventually be proven right right like he [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► was right [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► oh yeah they are dangerous and he [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► treated them like dangerous animals like [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► he was in a Jurassic Park and everyone [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► else and his staff did that other [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► incredible shots turns out they went to [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► the Stormtrooper school of marksmanship [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► they have not had a live-fire episode 01 [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► a long time they're real rusty LLC I [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► found sympathetic although creepy like [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► you thought oh this is somebody who sort [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► of enjoy your job gets it isn't [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► dehumanizing and then it's kind of like [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► oh maybe she's alright maybe she [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► whatever but I didn't feel like I feel [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► like they invested both those characters [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► and kind of dropped them along the way I [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► think the reason you didn't empathize [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► with the humans is because the humans to [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► the way i mean it's it's own thing as an [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► accident i think the way that the show [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► is presented for the human characters [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► with the exception of Bernard haha you [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► never you never got to see essentially [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► they're cornerstone they had all these [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► scenes of the host thinking back to [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► pivotal moments in their past life [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► whether our Creator briefly glimpsed are [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► understood or just reflecting the hosts [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► are always reflecting on things even [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► when we just saw the hosts going through [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► loops it's like that we would imagine [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► they're reflecting on their past time [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► through the loop or whatever humans are [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► always doing something in the moment and [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► you were never seen like you never got [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► to see into the humans called surely you [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► know Elsie has a cornerstone or an [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► equivalent like to do with all [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► characters on television but you only [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► ever saw in the moment doing a thing it [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► was fun she's on an adventure to salute [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► she's trying to figure stuff out she's [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► got spunk know she's she is a she is a [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► skeptical when other people are trusting [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► she doesn't really trust what Ford is [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► doing well as Bernard seems for some [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► strange reason to be you know pretty [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► obedient to forward right and so we root [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► for her but she's like a character on [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► like you know i don't know like when [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► NCIS or something right [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► they have plot points that they go [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► through and they have personality traits [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► but we never see their inner world will [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► never understand that the thing they're [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► doing related somehow to you know a [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► recent breakup or think they don't like [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► about themselves or whatever and in a [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► show where that's right there on the [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► page like jason said about storytelling [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► you can't help but think that it's [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► intentional for us not to know that the [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► cornerstones of the humans with the [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► exception maybe a little bit of forward [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► we get to see a little bit of that I [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► actually have a theory about why LC and [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► stubs are more sympathetic [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► I think one of the things this show is [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► about among the bajillion thinks the [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► show is about is it's a critique of the [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► entitled rich studies have found in the [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► real world that the richer you get the [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► less empathetic you are because the less [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► you rely on other people and the more [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► you see them is either you know [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► employees or commodities or placings and [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► that's what you see in West world you [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► see this whole park setup where rich [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► people can come in and do whatever they [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► want with no consequences which is sort [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► of like the real world there's no [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► relevance to I 16 to any of this [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► obviously bank world was not as popular [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► but yea similar setup that's why do you [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► need that we already have that [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► confidence that we live so you started [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► writing this year before reality for ya [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► pan out John pan out for the richer the [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► characters are the more powerful they [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► are the more horrible they are ya for [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► the men in black you know they have a [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► couple of glimmers of redeeming [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► qualities but those guys are straight-up [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► monsters and now i can talk more about [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► that later [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► the farther down you go on the ladder [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► the the more sympathetic the characters [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► become Stubbs is just a guy doing his [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► job he's not particularly sadistic he's [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► even somewhat respectful the the scene [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► where clementines programmed to start [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► killing folks and he asked to go put her [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► down [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► he's trying not to shoot her at first [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► he's not doesn't just walk in and be [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► like boom [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► oh she's dead and in the kindest human [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► being in the show is just that lowly [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► tech in the body shop who doesn't even [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► really want to dominate robots he the [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► thing he wants to do is fix a bird and [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► finally finally we're talking about the [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► two stars of the show you [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► listen services a what about Sylvester [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► he's in that he's the lowest-ranked that [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► we see of employees in in West world and [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► he is not a nice person so I added that [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► is true [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► a friend of mine twitter said she was in [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► think that's my episode 5 she said I'm [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► standing to the asian-american was [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► saying I'm getting a little tired of the [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► show being white people yelling at [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► people of color and i was like i'm [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► hoping hoping hoping they're setting us [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► up for reversal and Sylvester was one [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► people she's referring to is like him [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► yelling at and like brow being that guy [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► and I'm like well I guess it kind of got [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► reversed on [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► yeah i really enjoyed the two of them [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► because I sort of liked I liked finding [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► out that the corporation itself has [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► people who work for it on sort of lower [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► levels you know that are not executives [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► like the grunts you know I've spent a [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► lot of my professional career as sort of [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► one of those people on the front lines [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► of technical support on the front lines [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► of bug testing things like that and so [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► it was sort of nice to see that you're [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► going to portray a corporation to me but [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► you're not gonna just show me the people [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► on mahogany row you're gonna show me [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► some of the day-to-day folks who like go [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► home and have a beer with their buddies [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► and you know over there dollar pbr's [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► they whine about their jobs because [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► their jobs suck you know in whatever way [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► that is so it was nice to me to see sort [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► of regular people i guess because I sort [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► of had a hard time relating to a lot of [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► the higher-level corporate intrigue like [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► Charlotte and the board and forward and [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► even Bernard a little bit and Teresa [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► because like I'm not that person I don't [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► move in that world I never had the [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► office upstairs [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► Kelly can I ask you a question what you [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► thought about ford's office in that [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► context because it was magnificent [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► but it was somewhere underground we [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► don't know how many levels deep and he [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► went away from he could have obviously [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► had an office it was in the top of the [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► Mason seen his creation all the time he [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► didn't even have any like holographic [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► display stuff it was all very analog in [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► his office what do you think about that [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► relative to that theory [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► well what I liked about seeing that in [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► the fact that to me what it showed was [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► that he was sort of sentimental because [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► I sort of assumed his office was kind of [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► on the part of the same structure that [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► we see initially you know the cold [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► storage where the cooling is failed and [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► like everything sort of wet and dark in [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► my mind [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► his office is not far from the place in [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► cold storage where we find him having to [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► drink with old building episode 1 as [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► they drink to the lady with the white [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► shoes and so I serve for me that felt [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► like one of the things that you can [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► point out as he's a good guy because he [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► didn't ever bother to move upstairs when [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► they went when they assume expanded at [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► some point and you know the building got [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► taller or you know any of that stuff [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► like he stayed sort of down there where [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► it started and he doesn't have any of [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► that stuff in his office like I you know [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► he literally is giving Bernard the scoop [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► on Arnold at one point as he stands in [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► front of a chalkboard that's written on [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► with like recent stuff because like the [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► reverie stuff is like mapped out in a [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► flow chart on a chalkboard in this in [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► this world where I'm sure everyone of us [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► at one point we were one of those [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► computers that unfolds when I take it [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► out of my pocket [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► you know I know Don and I talked about [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► that like every single yeah good i'm [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► gonna have cracked a provision crisis [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► right now that you could be yeah yeah [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► you don't even have to try very hard [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► apparently being around a lot of [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► development centers and and things like [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► that in the software world his office to [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► me you know just reeks of being a nerd i [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► mean the things he had around him [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► the fact that there were no windows and [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► blade has a lot of like museum quality [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► to it right like it's there all this in [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► the other thing is I get the feeling [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► that I mean he obviously spent a decent [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► i'm walking around with supervising the [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► work that's being done but I feel like [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► the storytellers for westworld third in [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► the in the park probably wouldn't super [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► enjoy like walking around or observing [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► remotely what the guests are doing [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► because it's basically like their [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► stories get fouled up like you know some [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► eighty percent of the time because you [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► know that the guest is new in town and [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► they want to shoot somebody instead of [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► talking to them and finding out what [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► their quest is it going on the story [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► that would be really frustrating just [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► like probably you don't want to uh sit [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► and watch people use software that you [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► developed because you get really [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► frustrated with an efficient they would [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► be all that is so true [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► you have not be the the writer as [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► annoying is that writer is you know [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► there's some let's talk about the we are [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► already sorted into it the the computer [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► aspect of it the behind-the-scenes [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► aspect of which i kinda wasn't expecting [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► I thought that would be much more kind [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► of finessed of like well suffice to say [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► it's magic happens but instead we see [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► them talking we see Bernard and LC [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► talking about it we see the the writer [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► least Sizemore whine about it and he [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► says at one point in a conversation with [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► maybe Teresa where he talks about how I [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► come up with these great things and then [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► you know I have to do all these [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► different branches and I thought that [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► was really interesting about them [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► talking about like how do you script [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► this world they didn't they they they [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► gave it more attention it's not like [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► they explained all of how it works but [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► they gave him more attention than I [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► expected and I thought it was really [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► interesting to see that that aspect of [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► it you know be the the branching of the [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► dialogue when we see into into the mind [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► of the host and how they have their [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► conversations and how their scripts for [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► that and the people who are working on [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► the software patches the fact that we've [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► got this idea of like rolling people [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► back to a previous version is all this [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► kind of like software terminology that's [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► happening about the minds of the host I [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► i really love that aspect and that was a [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► real surprise to me that that we spent a [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► lot of time with sort of the technology [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► of the mind and the scripting of [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► Westworld unlike most sci-fi shows that [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► do AI they didn't it wasn't like you [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► know like how 9000 or were fascinated by [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► the idea that machines can think instead [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► all the computer stuff [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► well a blessedly was far future enough [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► where we can just we can we have a lot [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► of it is Magic as well like they're [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► super advanced right but be it was [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► treated as game development if you know [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► anything my game development we were [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► talking like a bunch of game together [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► it's not like a bunch of people building [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► how 9000 it's all about you know grew in [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► your story lines versus player action [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► versus liking the resilient tweaking [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► parameters and letting them go through [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► these game loops like and which is a [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► refreshing change because normally [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► anything having to do with thinking [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► computers it's all about deep thoughts [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► about how these computer there's plenty [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► of that in West world to but totally the [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► people running the show [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► there there it's a game their game [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► developers yeah I had a lot of red dead [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► redemption fields while watching [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► uh-huh no man in black is bored because [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► he's played every every inch of the game [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► yeah trying to get he's trying to [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► collect all the gyms now right to get [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► his bonus he's basically been using [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► cheat codes right and then he wants to [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► play the real game that's actually gonna [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► be hard for him and the poor rider like [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► when you got the new speech for the [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► protector to give at the end of the [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► thing and it's like when you have a game [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► and this be and this is a big cut scene [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► and you walk away from it like an [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► open-world game you walk outside the [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► audio radius and it's like and now i'm [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► not interested in the writers like but [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► but this is the pivotal moment ago and [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► over here and dig in the dirt help [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► actually John something that you [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► mentioned that i wanted to i want to rip [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► on a little bit is I think you could [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► argue and and nobody's gonna argue that [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► the hosts are not emerging into being [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► thinking beings of some kind of at least [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► i think very few people would argue that [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► because what are we watching otherwise [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► but what I like about the show is that [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► it challenges your assumptions all the [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► way through episode 10 about whether the [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► hosts whether everything the host do is [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► emergent and because they're free [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► thinkers or whether they are they are [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► operating on their programming and the [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► example in episode 10 is that Maeve is [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► shown a script that she's been given [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► that describes her rebellion and in the [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► sequences of it and highways at several [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► points have houston we have moments like [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► that right where you're like wait a [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► second so our am I seeing the legitimate [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► person who is emerging from this this [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► host or is this part of the script and [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► right down to the fact that the uprising [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► has revealed at the end of episode 10 by [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► Ford is his new narrative it's like a [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► wait a second are the uprising because [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► he's giving the ability for them to [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► repeal or they are the rising up because [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► he written a rebellion well it is there [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► really a difference like that's the i [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► know right the question wasn't really [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► difference but like they do they do [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► highlighted the very end with Maeve they [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► I mean like the show the show is a [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► remarkable to me in the number of times [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► that it puts legit solid non misleading [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► information in the show like episodes [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► and episodes ahead like 56 episodes as [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► they don't put just like vague hints [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► that you can just go back and and see [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► all I see how that connect [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► they put like actual real information [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► actionable information that's why the [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► whole internet figured out so many [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► things yes and so on episode 10 they do [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► that thing oh may be surprised to see [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► that are all escape has been planned [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► right but in that scene they purposely [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► tell you into this unit you recruit the [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► people you get you're gonna get on the [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► train and when you get to the mainland [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► yada yada yada and she cuts them off and [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► then they show her at the end she [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► deviates from that is exactly right the [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► script was you get on the train and so [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► the show is very explicitly saying even [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► though [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► yeah the reveal here is that everything [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► has been planned [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► we're going to show you except for the [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► last part where maybe it's something [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► different and you may think oh that [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► means maybe is deciding on her own but [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► like every single other story in the [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► park it can be interrupted by the human [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► players and so Felix gives her a note [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► and she decides to get off the train [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► just like Hector getting shot in the [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► head before I can give a speech I want [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► to talk a second about about this notion [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► that the telling stories because i took [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► a there's something more dangerous and [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► someone takes a meditation class I [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► realize what a good insight meditation [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► class few years ago and one of the [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► things the instructor talked about a lot [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► was stories we tell ourselves about what [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► we're doing that our stories we layer on [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► top of the don't necessary have a direct [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► relationship what we're doing but we [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► tell ourselves they do and I've been [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► watching the show and local a Nolan [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► enjoyed maybe their insight meditation [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► people because they're talking from that [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► book but be a lot of it is about the [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► story the man in black and it's all [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► stories we tell ourselves with the exact [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► notion that the host when I saw me when [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► she's watching her words play out in [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► front of her as she's saying them all [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► mine to that error state i thought this [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► is exactly the breaking out of the [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► monkey mind thing that they talk about [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► meditation about getting the monkey mind [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► to stop talking at you so you can [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► achieve higher insight and stop telling [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► these stories about yourself and it was [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► just it was beautifully exploded there [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► without adding two they didn't have [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► someone coming to well meditation human [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► not like I'm doing right now [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► they let us explore and see that yeah [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► it's it's interesting to see the man in [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► black and forward and the stories they [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► tell themselves and how that conflicts [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► with the story you can see in them for [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► his is a spoiled child who who doesn't [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► want anyone else playing with his toys & [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► and that was what I took from his the [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► final rebellion he clearly knew the [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► board was trying to force them out he [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► clearly knew he only had [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► so much time so my view of the ending is [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► that he basically is like well if I [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► can't have this you can either so I'm [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► going to smash all my toys & and use [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► them to hurt you because that was that [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► was his childhood but he was a toning I [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► mean like it there so dangle laughs I [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► don't know I know she was telling I [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► think he was telling himself he was a [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► toning he he knew he had to be the [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► monster to get his creations to the the [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► point of true consciousness and he had [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► to pay for that I think he thought he [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► was atoning I think that's what he told [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► himself but really he just wanted to be [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► in control he didn't want his creations [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► to really get to the point of full [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► consciousness on their own [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► he wanted to be the one who gave them [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► that gift so that he could go out as as [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► God as the guy calling the shots [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► controlling the story i'm with Nathan [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► and same with the man in black the men [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► in black says you know I was trying to [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► get them to fight back he he thinks of [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► himself as this hero who is giving this [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► great gift to the robots he is by [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► brutally torturing them for his own sick [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► jollies he is actually liberating them [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► but no he's just a scorned adolescence [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► hehe thinks when he was William he [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► thought that Delores was his prize that [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► if he won westworld Dolores would be his [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► prize and then he realized she wasn't [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► his prize that she you know maybe she [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► wasn't autonomous but she didn't belong [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► to him and he got angry and he started [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► taking that on dolores and everyone [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► around him just like you see with a lot [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► of 20-something gamers and so he's [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► basically just acting out and all of his [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► board meanderings around the park and [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► torturing people and blowing stuff up [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► it's just him throwing a fit for all the [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► rest of his life because he wanted the [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► shiny woman prize and he didn't get it [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► that's my theory i'm with you on the man [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► in black but anybody with for like man [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► Michael example is absolutely what they [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► want his stories the stories telling [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► himself what we see him doing and I [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► think he took turns too much on a [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► diamond a few places we don't get it [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► developed enough because they're too [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► busy hiding twist for most diseases and [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► put forward I really believe that put [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► the way Anthony Hopkins plated and the [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► few things he has that that he his he [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► was sincerely motor the story tell [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► himself is the average story it's the [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► story of [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► a man who has done terrible things he [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► does not think much of himself but [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► nevertheless still believes and actually [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► is smarter than most everyone around him [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► bringing a plan to fruition to both [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► atone for his past sins and right his [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► wrongs and tried with some finality to [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► you know he's got he gets got the blood [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► sacrifice [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► he's setting the stage for all the [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► things that he's done wrong to correct [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► themselves and everything he says in the [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► show I I'm i think he believes about how [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► the hostess and humans are really no [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► different from each other and when he [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► said give that speech that somewhere in [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► the middle it's like you think he's [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► saying it to show how little he thinks [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► of humans but by the end you realize he [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► should say to say how much he thinks of [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► hosts in fact when he says that they're [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► better it's not a sarcastic evil thing [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► to put down humans he really believes it [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► so I'm with you man with lieutenant [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► green I take forward to face value [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► that's fair enough [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► I like that there's debt ambiguity there [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► that I can have my interpretation and [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► you can have yours and yours sounds just [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► as valid to me as mine so I like that [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► about the show for me there's a piece of [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► it that we don't that we we haven't even [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► considered at least even on the show [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► anyway um and that is I sort of felt [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► like at once and now that we know what [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► happened to Arnold not Bernard but [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► Arnold now that we know what happened to [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► Arnold we've seen the ending of that [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► story I feel like this was almost make [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► him trying to give a gift back to Arnold [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► because remember our gave him a gift of [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► here is your family like the the best [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► moment your you have and and you know [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► i'm gonna give you I'm going to preserve [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► that moment for you i'm gonna put it [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► right here in the park in a little house [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► and nobody's gonna be able to tell and [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► and we'll make sure it's like this [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► little secret I built you a dad that you [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► remember or whatever and then I feel [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► like a little bit like he you know [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► because he mentioned a few times like [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► Arnold came to feel the way you did [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► Arnold came at this from a different way [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► whatever and I think that that he is [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► sort of trying to atone to Arnold I feel [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► like he feels like he needs to do it in [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► Arnolds name almost that he needs to be [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► able to do this [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► sort of settle what he believes to be [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► the score that he has with Arnold and [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► sort of tried to to you know get the red [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► out of his ledger [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► so I to me that was that was more what [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► it felt like was that that was the [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► humanitarian piece of it the piece of [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► humanity within for that we hadn't seen [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► was how truly profoundly he had been [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► affected by Arnold dying i like um when [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► Nathan said about how you can really [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► interpret this either way and I'm struck [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► by something John said which is that he [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► he thinks that you know forward this is [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► what forward believes and I think that's [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► right i think he does believe it i'm not [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► sure if that's actually the case and [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► that it isn't you know he that's the [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► story he tells himself when he's still [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► just kind of being a jerk who wants to [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► have complete control over everything [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► that jerk and he likes best thing people [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► but I believe it too like I believe it [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► basically he's he strikes me as sad [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► throughout the whole series that he is [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► not you know lording it over to people [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► and being smarter and controlling the [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► whole time he doesn't like who he is or [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► how things have turned out and he is sad [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► i think I'm team Nathan on this but I [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► want to go to Tony because Tony Tony [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► proclaimed his his being on underneath [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► inside on forward here to Tony I I mean [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► maybe I can just never be sympathetic to [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► eat you know rich white powerful [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► industrialist guy who I I almost going [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► to say evil in there I guess that's the [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► contention is is he evil or not but I [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► mean I guess it depends on how you read [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► his his last scene there but I mean I [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► mean I just see it is the culmination of [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► him basically setting into motion his [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► own pretentious suicide where he even [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► gives the speech about how the the [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► composer's that did that don't really [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► die because they live on in their music [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► and he's like and I'm going to live on [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► in my killer robot is his speech it [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► gives it a title right he's got a title [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► for it and is a press conference at the [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► beach why does he have to do all that [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► yeah if he is not a warped and twisted [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► self-absorbed you know [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► yeah I I mean and and I guess that the [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► the question is is what stuff is is all [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► I'm interested to know what will happen [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► at the start of season 2 in terms of [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► what will give us information about how [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► what stuff is things that are eggs [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► actually as he laid them out versus [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► actual freedom that he is granted [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► because that's that's still the question [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► to me is how much what I mean is there [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► actual of any freedom here or is [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► everybody just doing things that he has [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► set in motion I'm gonna bring up [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► something that John staircases said [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► that's relevant but very briefly which [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► is just like John said they laid into [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► any breadcrumbs where we could see them [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► it wasn't you know they were barely know [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► there's all over the lawn and we have to [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► figure out which they are we saw [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► forwards family right we sighs house we [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► saw him as a young man we saw his [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► abusive father we saw forward tell [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► Bernard that he'd sort of toned father [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► down like out of kindness Arnold had [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► made the father not quite as bad as he [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► well that's right so like so many things [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► we seat for is reliving his childhood [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► like how much time you spend in that [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► ecology seems to be there a lot its kind [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► of creepy right and we know that there's [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► the basement lab but he's constantly are [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► constantly on some matter reliving in [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► arnold at some level made a trap for [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► Ford by building for his childhood and [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► not allowing foot forward ever destroy [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► his childhood not really for it is a [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► fascinating character right i mean that [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► that's the bottom line here is these [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► complex in it we can question his [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► motivations right to the end of his last [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► gesture for me having a front-row seat [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► at the fort of our generation [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► steve jobs that there were a lot of [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► things that reminds me a lot of essays [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► last year you know when he knew that he [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► was going to go [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► it was very very striking me people you [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► know you look at some things on the [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► surface of what they do and they seem [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► selfish and self-serving and they might [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► seem grandiose but in the end they [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► really are done for the right reasons [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► and so i will give Ford a pass just for [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► that last half an hour he had on earth [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► of doing the right thing so but but it [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► released it really hit home with me and [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► a very very personal note there of of [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► having the opportunity a couple times to [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► be up close to people like that [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► let's not go too far with the right [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► things he did send a what it seems like [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► a large number of killer robots and [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► different people so you [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► angel like writing for the end he he did [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► he did have a woman murdered several [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► episodes earlier to make sure that [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► nothing got his way sending like an army [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► of killer Roman tell us about apple [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► products on this is just and again not [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► too far off from some of the flowers [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► well we're all gonna get killed our way [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► those top 100 meetings are must've been [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► rough [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► you have no idea that you have to answer [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► this question if we ask it how many [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► killer robots you have in your house [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► right now around just blink once if [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► there are more than one [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► yeah all right Don his team killer robot [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► it's good to know that that's important [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► to establish know that the the thing is [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► you have to ask yourself about the you [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► know the sort of theme of the end of the [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► whole show is that the robot who becomes [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► finally self where and listens to her [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► own inner voice and her own inner voices [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► telling her to be a homicidal mainline [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► that's a pretty pretty funny you know [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► journey she's got Y and mixed in there [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► too it's it's a heavy stew [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► yes toxic else do and i wanted to a new [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► shift gears a little bit and talk about [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► one of the other I mean it's an HBO show [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► right so you can know you can get a lot [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► of violence you can get a lot of [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► language and you can get a lot of nudity [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► now [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► westworld has a lot of nudity but what's [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► fascinating about it is it is mostly yet [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► on like robots that are nude and in the [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► repair shop in the blue corner office [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► cold blue lighting and stuff like that [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► and and you know the nudity in West [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► world starts out you may be asking [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► yourself like oh well it's HBO of course [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► there's gonna be nudity and very rapidly [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► becomes a fascinating choice of how they [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► did depicted I wanted to know if Nathan [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► said that he wanted to talk about it [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► Nathan you have something you'd like to [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► say about this one when you go into an [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► HBO show you expect naked ladies you [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► expect a lot of naked ladies and you [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► expect them to be very very naked and i [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► love that westworld inverts that I love [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► that westworld after the first few [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► episodes whenever you there's a naked [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► lady in a scene [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► chances are she is the most powerful and [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► dangerous person in the room maybe [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► sitting there and whenever you know [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► maybe can be perfectly naked and Felix [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► and Sylvester can be there and [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► ostensibly they're the technicians and [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► they have all the power but it is [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► clear from her body language from her an [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► effect and from the way they react or [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► May has all the power and then you get I [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► forget her name but ingrid bolso a bear [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► doll that awesome awesome ingrid bolso [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► bear doll whose name I'm probably [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► mangling armistice right Armus Armus [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► yeah yeah when she's completely naked [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► and beating the only living crud out of [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► multiple technicians and deservedly so [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► and then is doing those countless tiny [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► hilarious things like poking at Felix's [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► hair curiously or things like that and [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► is just absolutely terrifying they make [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► a point that you can't treat these women [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► like eye candy there not there for you [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► to ogle at its not sexualize duty in [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► other words exactly one of the things I [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► liked about it was that it seemed a [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► little more fair i have sat through more [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► than my share of topless ladies on HBO [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► shows [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► yeah and so it was nice to see them [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► dudes that weren't wearing any clothes [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► mostly let you know straight up in the [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► interest of fairness it was because [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► particularly the way they were handling [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► the nudity it wasn't sexy it wasn't [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► naughty time it wasn't pants-off [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► dance-off it wasn't anything like fun [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► it was just like they're naked so you [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► can tell they're the they're the robots [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► yeah it's a power hitter for you know so [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► it stands to reason that there are gonna [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► be some guy robots and it stands to [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► reason that if you make them all be [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► naked when they're in the shop so to [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► speak [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► this is what you know you're gonna see [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► some so I liked it for being realistic [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► in that way and pharmacists gate had by [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► the way that my favorite moment in [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► episode 10 and it was when she gets the [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► automatic weapon and she laughs that [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► laugh oh yeah she laughed a laugh of [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► such joy and love i hope i have ever in [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► my life like anything that much and [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► enjoyed it because boy did she enjoy you [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► did enjoy shooting helps keeps losing [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► off it was awesome to watch her enjoy it [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► wasn't like I i wasn't really jazzed [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► about her like killing all those people [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► but it was pretty amazing to watch her [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► enjoy the way that she did but the the [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► dehumanization was interesting too [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► because forwards insistence the I [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► thought when the show started at [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► this is creepy that they're always [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► having all the hosts naked they don't [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► always seem to be prodding them and then [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► that scene was in the episode three or [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► four the scary surprise yet Ford turns [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► the technicians the middle of something [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► else returns and why do you have quite a [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► covered you know and they take the [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► exacto knife or scalpel and slams [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► graphic designer investment exactly and [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► slashing his face and I thought it was [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► the most unkind most demeaning thing [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► we've seen forward do because he had a [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► certain amount of respect yes because [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► you're respected at that point you think [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► he respects them as as a work that he's [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► created and you know I respect him as a [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► piece of craft and I was horrified by [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► that I'm not sure that scene worked for [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► me in terms of his character but i think [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► i'm still integrating what it means but [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► they that I thought we were this is this [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► is nolan enjoy making us collaborators [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► we're watching a show about extensible [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► robots for watching the nudity were [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► uncomfortable with that we have a proxy [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► was also uncomfortable with it he covers [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► and forces no no it's not that easy [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► pulling the cover way you viewer have to [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► watch this now complicit in what we're [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► doing here [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► yeah the meta storytelling in the show I [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► was awesome [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► it's a show about writing a shadow yeah [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► yeah it clearly clearly at several [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► points is and you know right and you end [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► up with like a play within a play [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► because westworld kind of a play within [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► a play but then we find out that you [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► know the plot of the show westworld is [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► kind of a play within a play itself [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► which is great and and there's the [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► question of I mean not not to get into [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► free will or something like that you can [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► listen to John podcast with Merlin when [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► they talk about that but the idea of of [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► scripted reactions and that question of [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► like is this a natural reaction is the [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► scripted reaction and doesn't matter and [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► are they making decisions and it yes so [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► much of it is very meta and very [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► carefully considered I like that about [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► it's like you can be met but I felt like [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► every move that the show made was very [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► seriously thought out in advance and [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► made knowingly which isn't always the [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► case [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► yes it's so weird a show that has about [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► that's the edge TV show any kind of a [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► writer who is unsympathetic for some [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► reason in Sizemore gets so forward is [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► the sympathetic writer but then we have [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► all these complicated feelings about him [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► Sizemore is [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► the unsympathetic later we eat the sky [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► sympathetic busy so human though [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► yes his concerns are so Petty and so [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► it's such a such a small scale they're [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► really important to him but we're [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► watching the show were like dude you're [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► not even in the game you're just down [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► there complaining about you know [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► honestly and red river he's got his own [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► little corner for it is the showrunner [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► and Sizemore is the staff writer right [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► that's what I just about because because [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► because I Sizemore thinks he is the [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► showrunner but likes it forward for it [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► is the writer of the series that we [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► watch the video you're watching me and I [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► realized that Ford has plotted out the [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► entire first season we don't we don't [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► know that we're watching it but in the [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► end the story that we see is for the [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► most part his story and then the other [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► writer is writing these little [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► adventures that the humans are doing in [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► their parking getting all cranky about [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► it and angling for positions in his [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► corporate world that's totally not gonna [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► matter although it's nice that he lives [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► because he's down there in the empty [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► seller looking for the robots that [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► aren't there other than everyone else is [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► gonna get shot by the robots [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► yeah this all these ideas are going to [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► opens up his idea fault they're all gone [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► yeah what one of the moments that [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► Sizemore gets there at the end I thought [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► I'd that it's easy to miss is that [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► there's a so there's a lot of threads [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► that are dangling that are going to be [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► presumably resolved in season 2 or at [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► least continued in season two one of [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► them is this idea that the board knowing [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► that they're going to fire forward is [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► trying to get the source code basically [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► the park out before forward can wreck it [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► and they stow it in a in a host who's in [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► cold storage so and Sizemore supposed to [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► get him to it [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► he's programmed him to behave kind of [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► like a regular person to get them on the [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► train out of out of and ironically of [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► course there is a host on the train it's [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► not this guy but he goes there and find [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► there's just that one shot of going and [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► opening cold storage and finding there's [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► nothing inside and he goes what and [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► that's it wouldn't Sizemore or Charlotte [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► Gail know that if you do that with a [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► host they would explode the the sixth [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► cervical vertebra would explode i'm [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► gonna make a trip that part out or [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► deactivated I mean they have all the [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► tools together the people the body shop [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► maybe the only way they can do is make a [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► new one without that vertebrae but the [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► people who run the show so i can disable [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► it and even if it does blow up then they [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► can still just take the brain that [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► that right yeah where he only needs to [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► make it to the train like we don't know [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► you know or HQ or whatever like we don't [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► we don't know exactly what you are this [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► is the kind of crap you have to do you [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► you have to do when you can't find a USB [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► Drive see that's what security have a [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► thumbdrive need all head pops off and [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► there's a USB part of the better [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► question is the host that they chose to [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► be the flash drive is Abernathy prime [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► yeah the first Dolores is dad that we [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► see on the show you what the first one [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► to break the one who finds the picture [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► of who I presume grew up to be Williams [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► white have science and so we get 2 [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► episode 9 where Bernard explains that [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► they put Clementine in storage but that [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► they didn't fix anything when they put [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► her there so she still has the [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► capability to pull the trigger and do [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► some damage if he gives her the high [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► sign right and I wondered if Abernathy [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► prime was in the same position and maybe [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► they picked like the worst possible [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► hosting cold storage to be the guy [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► because we know you know we know that [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► any host can go at any moment and we [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► know he was like in the show order he [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► was the first one to go and he used to [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► play a psychotic desert leader earlier [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► play yeah the leader of the cannibal [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► cult is law of conservation of [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► characters though I mean they're not [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► going to have one of the extras be the [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► one that they put the secret plans in [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► I thought that Maeve maybe it's somehow [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► they had chosen made and they were using [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► her to smuggle stuff out [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► oh yeah at a certain point though you [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► figured ellis got to realize for its [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► plan is not to destroy all the source [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► codes are all efforts to smuggle her out [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► of stupid yeah we find out what for the [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► actual plans which is way worse for them [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► this knowledge of partying right like we [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► thought he was going to lead us or [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► something oh he's gonna kill us all the [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► robots that's ok we'll always have [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► samurai world [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► yep yeah i was saying about the casting [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► call though for the cold-storage like [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► okay we need to come out to be naked [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► I assume some of that might be CGI of [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► course EG but we would be naked standing [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► in a cult-like dark [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► dark warehouse standing in water for [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► probably several hours a day for a [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► couple weeks we need you to stand in a [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► puddle in the dark under the least [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► flattering possible lading like all day [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► it's worth lunch will be provided and [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► don't move [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► yeah and I guarantee ya they had people [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► standing in line and returned away from [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► the job that absolutely they were you [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► were talking earlier about the the meta [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► aspect of the show and when the board is [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► talking about about taking over for its [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► narrative they're like you know don't [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► make it too complex kind of just [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► simplify it make it more entertaining [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► for people i'm thinking Jonathan Nolan [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► is flashing back to his time on person [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► of interest isn't even this is what [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► executives say right I've got some notes [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► they say i would also like to say I [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► think that this is also a show about [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► watching television [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► I think I know that the whole point of [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► the thing is the maze and the man in [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► black is pursuing the maze he's looking [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► for that trick he's looking for the [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► reveal that the twist in the game and [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► people keep telling him it's not for you [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► that's not the point of the game for you [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► and he doesn't get that is how many [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► times he told that on the show like 900 [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► times and he never gets a terroristic [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► skull exactly you a way to you saying [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► amazing for me [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► mm we think on this and so everyone is [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► well he's rich so he thinks everything [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► is for him whether people tell me those [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► aren't things for him yeah Nathan you [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► need to go until all the people and read [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► at the story yes exactly and that's the [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► thing i got all the people on reddit all [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► the theorizing I've seen you know is [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► Bernard android what what is the role of [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► the ghost nation are there multiple [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► timelines is William the men in black [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► Jonathan Nolan must have anticipated [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► that at least enjoy must have [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► anticipated that and I think they put in [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► the maze to say guys guys [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► you're missing the point it's not about [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► the twist it's not about the tricks [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► it's about the search for consciousness [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► that's what the shows about the tricks [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► and things are just window dressing and [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► i love that aspect yeah but though the [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► sling people along that way this is a [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► show that that sort of forces you to [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► take it seriously in forces you to pay [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► attention and presumes that you have a [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► certain level of understanding and [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► comprehension whatever that is because [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► for me what was really great about it [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► was that I was forced to pay attention [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► and I don't watch a whole lot of [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► television because I [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► don't like TV where you tell me what's [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► going to happen for the next hour in the [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► first five minutes of the show and I [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► don't want to see it coming and in fact [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► like the only way I want to see it [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► coming is when i see it coming about 90 [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► seconds before it actually shows up like [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► I was gone last night when we recorded [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► our initial reaction show our quick [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► initial reaction show 4 episode 10 which [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► was 45 minutes [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► um that when you know that the train has [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► left the station [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► you seem that happen and now you see a [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► car stopped on the tracks you know [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► waiting for the light to change or [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► whatever when you know those two things [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► and now the tension is oh god I know all [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► of this what's gonna happen [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► that's the kind of show i like to watch [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► and so for me it was really exciting to [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► see somebody put out this intelligent [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► show and go it's intelligent and we're [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► gonna leave a little breadcrumbs about [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► other stuff that's gonna happen and [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► maybe you'll catch them and maybe you [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► want and I really liked how they kept [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► everybody up to speed [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► even when you know even on like you know [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► reddit had figured it out already or [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► whatever um being able to make sure that [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► people who weren't paying attention to [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► message boards and people who don't read [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► all the theory stuff were capped engaged [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► and yet also people who did go through [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► her eyes about all that stuff and did [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► you know think about it in their spare [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► time and randomly text at nerd retired [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► friends of theirs who don't have [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► anything else to do and say you know I [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► was talking about this and what happens [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► if that happens [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► hey you know I've heard um like those [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► are the kind of things that i really [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► enjoyed about this show because i really [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► liked that they were sort of upfront [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► about being an intelligent pieces of [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► cinema for me because that's what it is [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► and i really enjoyed getting to watch it [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► i also love that it was all those things [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► and it was just a great western [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► westworld gives good Western you've got [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► Indian attacks you've got an armored [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► train you've got robberies and twists [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► and shootouts that amazing sequence with [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► the men in black tied up to his horse [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► and having to cut himself free before [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► the horse hangs in there i just love [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► that it was a satisfying Western in [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► addition to being all those other thing [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► so I I want to talk a little bit about [TS]

00:56:19 ◼   ► expectations for season two but before [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► we get there there's one other point [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► that I wanted to to have us well on for [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► a moment which is the cast because there [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► are some people we haven't even talked [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► about we've talked about Anthony Hopkins [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► who does a great job and Harris is the [TS]