2: You Start From Zero


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00:00:37   My name is Myke Hurley, and I'm joined by your host, Mr. Jason Snell.

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00:00:56   really great feedback for episode one.

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00:01:03   and we're back for another episode of Upgrade.

00:01:06   - Yeah.

00:01:07   - And probably the thing that is gonna make Jason

00:01:11   more happy than anything else on the planet

00:01:13   (laughing)

00:01:15   is the fact that we can do follow up on this show

00:01:19   and our Google document, about two thirds of it is follow up

00:01:25   - So, I mean--

00:01:26   - We just admit it.

00:01:27   You know, Accidental Tech podcast has follow up

00:01:30   for like 90% of their running time,

00:01:31   but we might as well just admit it upfront.

00:01:33   There's a lot of follow up.

00:01:34   I'm very excited that we have so much follow up

00:01:36   'cause I've never really done podcasts

00:01:37   with follow up before.

00:01:39   And we got comments,

00:01:40   which means we have things we can follow up on.

00:01:42   'Cause that was the big question last week

00:01:44   was would anybody say anything

00:01:45   or would there literally be no follow up

00:01:47   other than to remind people that there could be follow up.

00:01:51   - Before we start the officially ordained follow up,

00:01:54   There was one piece of, there was one correction

00:01:56   that I would like to make from last week's show.

00:01:59   - All right.

00:02:00   - And it's correcting you, if that's okay.

00:02:02   - Yes, you're fired.

00:02:04   (laughing)

00:02:06   - I'll get my coat in a moment.

00:02:09   One question that I had for you was about

00:02:11   if the screen was curved on the iPhones.

00:02:15   - Oh yeah, the screen's not, the glass is.

00:02:18   - I think my question was poorly phrased.

00:02:23   And what I was asking was it,

00:02:24   'cause they mentioned in the keynote about the corners,

00:02:27   like the edges of the phones,

00:02:29   like they are sort of smoothed down,

00:02:33   so they kind of curve around a little bit.

00:02:35   - But that's not the screen, right?

00:02:36   That's the glass in front of the screen.

00:02:38   So it was, I'll take it.

00:02:41   I was reading it and also thinking about Apple Watch

00:02:45   in a different way, but yeah,

00:02:46   that's actually one of the things

00:02:47   that makes it feel so nice,

00:02:49   is that the screen isn't just a flat slab

00:02:51   and then there are edges or it doesn't go into like a ring,

00:02:55   it just curves down and then, and that makes it,

00:02:58   that's one of my favorite features actually of the phones

00:03:01   now that I've been using them for a week is they're really,

00:03:05   that curve really makes them much more comfortable to hold.

00:03:07   - Death to the chamfer, huh?

00:03:09   - Yeah, death to the chamfer.

00:03:11   I'm glad we learned a word though.

00:03:12   We increased our word power by learning that word

00:03:15   and now we will store it away for future use.

00:03:17   - Never ever use it again.

00:03:19   - No. - Ever, ever, ever.

00:03:20   - No, there is another correction that we should do,

00:03:23   which is I mentioned reachability,

00:03:25   it revealed a black void at the top of the screen.

00:03:27   It's actually not a black void.

00:03:29   I complained that it didn't have your picture behind,

00:03:32   like a fuzzed version of your backdrop, your wallpaper.

00:03:36   It actually does, but it's really like darker

00:03:40   and fuzzed out so much that it's almost unrecognizable,

00:03:43   but it isn't just a black void.

00:03:45   It's more like a dark wallpaper-y version of a wall.

00:03:50   void but it's not like you just if you've got a picture of your friends at the top of your

00:03:57   wallpaper it's not like they peek through when you do reachability it's sort of like you can see

00:04:01   through the haze like I would see like I could see sort of the corner of a mountain from the

00:04:07   picture but just barely so it's definitely not meant to be anything but like a very subtle

00:04:13   reference to what's in your on your backdrop in reachability but it's not a complete black void

00:04:18   It's almost so hard to see that they may as well have not done it.

00:04:24   Yeah, I don't understand. I mean, I guess they didn't want to distract,

00:04:28   but I feel like it's a weird thing that they should either have embraced the fact that you

00:04:33   get to peek through and see your... That's the metaphor of iOS 7 and 8 is everything

00:04:38   sort of translucent and you can see down through the stack. And so you should either make it

00:04:43   viewable or you should just not even bother but instead it's this very it's

00:04:47   very subtle very subtle but it is there and I said that it was just a total

00:04:51   black void it is not.

00:04:53   Dead Space Gray.

00:04:55   [laughter]

00:04:57   Ding!

00:04:59   So this is a weird piece of follow-up but it's a piece of follow-up I would like to address.

00:05:08   So on last week's episode I creeped some people out by talking about the fact

00:05:13   that I had really long fingers and how I thought that it would be okay for me to

00:05:17   get a plus and there was a whilst away in in Italy last week my lady friend took

00:05:26   a picture of me using my iPhone and I had many people comment on the tweet and

00:05:33   I've put it in our show notes which are at relay.fm/upgrade/2.

00:05:38   If you want to see a picture of my hands, you're free to do that.

00:05:41   Many people commented on the fact that my fingers were very long.

00:05:44   Jason, I don't know if you've seen this picture.

00:05:46   I don't know if you have an official view or feeling on the sides of my hands.

00:05:50   I was confused to see you without glasses.

00:05:53   That confused me a little bit.

00:05:54   Yeah.

00:05:55   I also was confused to see you comfortable and outdoors.

00:05:58   That was different.

00:06:01   And yes, your fingers seem very long.

00:06:03   My fingers I think are long but they're not nearly as long as yours.

00:06:07   I believe my toes are very long but that rarely comes up in a technological context.

00:06:12   We are venturing into some very interesting areas.

00:06:16   Interesting is a strong word for it.

00:06:20   You published a very interesting article on not your website.

00:06:25   Not on my website, no.

00:06:26   On the Verge I think is where that one is what you're talking about, right?

00:06:30   What was that about?

00:06:31   Well, you know, Nielle Patel is an acquaintance.

00:06:36   We've exchanged emails and text messages and just, you know, we're friendly.

00:06:41   And he's the editor-in-chief of The Verge. I've always liked Nielle.

00:06:44   And he sent me an email last week saying,

00:06:49   "Would you like to write a quick thing? We want to scan in all these old Macworld covers."

00:06:55   'cause he's old enough that he, as a kid,

00:07:00   grew up reading computer magazines

00:07:02   and Macworld in particular, which is what I did,

00:07:06   although I didn't really come to it

00:07:07   until sort of in high school.

00:07:08   But the pouring over, back before there were tech websites,

00:07:13   I mean, the only way to get this information

00:07:14   was to get a magazine and just pour over every detail,

00:07:17   every page, there are articles that I would read

00:07:19   like 30 or 40 times when I was buying my first PowerBook.

00:07:23   Every detail, like what does that mean?

00:07:25   parsing sentences, does this mean this feature?

00:07:28   Probably means that article could have been written better

00:07:30   actually in hindsight if I was that confused.

00:07:32   But it was a big thing culturally before all this stuff

00:07:37   was on the web, that was the only connection that you had

00:07:39   if you loved computers and technology.

00:07:41   And so they were gonna scan in a bunch of old Macworld

00:07:44   covers and they wanted me to write something short,

00:07:46   300 words or something like that about it.

00:07:48   So I wrote a quick thing actually on the plane

00:07:51   'cause I was going to and from Portland

00:07:55   the weekend after this all happened

00:07:57   to go to the XOXO Festival.

00:07:59   And I just wrote a quick thing and sent it to them.

00:08:01   And then they posted it right about when my site launched,

00:08:05   which was very nice of them

00:08:06   'cause they linked to it prominently in the header

00:08:09   and I got a lot of traffic in the verge.

00:08:11   But it was nice.

00:08:12   It was just a little,

00:08:13   I'm trying to say farewell to Macworld as a print magazine,

00:08:16   which certainly I have a long history with.

00:08:18   And although I have not been thinking about it

00:08:20   as a print magazine very much lately

00:08:22   because we've been focused on the website

00:08:23   and I've been focused on other sites at IDG for a long time.

00:08:28   It was a nice sort of Viking funeral for Macworld in print

00:08:32   and the idea of computer magazines,

00:08:37   which was once a really big thing

00:08:38   and is now no longer necessary.

00:08:41   - We kind of didn't really address it last week,

00:08:45   but it's very sad that the magazine has gone away.

00:08:49   Yeah, it is, and yet at the same time it isn't what it used to be.

00:08:56   I actually think the quality of it has been quite good and has kept up over the years.

00:09:03   I mean, it doesn't have a fraction of the staff, even when I was still there, it didn't

00:09:07   have a fraction of the staff it did when I started, and even that was a much smaller

00:09:10   staff than they used to have.

00:09:12   But I think the quality was good, but it's not really necessary anymore.

00:09:20   But that doesn't change the fact that this is a thing that had been in existence for

00:09:23   the life of the Mac.

00:09:24   It's been printing for 30 years.

00:09:28   And so on that level it's sad.

00:09:30   But time moves on.

00:09:32   That's what happens.

00:09:33   It's just like I know a lot of people have said this, but I remember when Stephen Hackett

00:09:38   was he had a I think it was the back page yeah and I just remember his

00:09:45   excitement and like how excited I was for him. Print gives you tangibility that

00:09:53   those of us who work on the web don't get and that often that works very well

00:09:57   with our parents and grandparents and other relatives where suddenly the fact

00:10:02   that you've been doing things on the internet has a manifestation that they

00:10:05   can understand. They can understand, "Oh wow, you are important enough or knowledgeable

00:10:10   enough that somebody with a printing press took your picture and put it on their back

00:10:15   page with your words." That's a seal of approval that for people who grew up before the internet

00:10:20   era, this internet stuff, they don't know whether this is all made up and fake or whether

00:10:26   it's really a real thing. And so for them, what a huge stamp it is to have you be on

00:10:32   tree in ink. That's a real signifier of quality and I can't tell you how many writers over

00:10:40   the years we used, I mentioned this in the Verge article, who were web writers that we

00:10:44   would find and say "we like your stuff, why don't we publish you in the magazine?" and

00:10:48   they're like "that's cool" and they would always say "my mom went out and bought a copy,

00:10:53   my grandma went out and bought a copy, they bought ten copies and sent it to all the relatives."

00:10:58   That was a very common phenomenon.

00:11:01   What else do we have? Oh, let's see, more follow-up. Yeah, that's right, we're still doing follow-up. It's very exciting.

00:11:09   So, the common bond in a lot of the follow-up this week was about our

00:11:16   conversation about the phone sizes, because we talked a lot about the iPhone

00:11:20   6 and the iPhone 6 Plus, and we talked a little bit about the fact that the 5C

00:11:24   and 5S are still there, and this was a common thread is the question if

00:11:30   Apple is going to abandon that four inch phone size?

00:11:34   I've heard a lot of people say, "Well, you know, Apple doesn't make

00:11:38   this phone, they've abandoned this size." It's not really true. The 5C and 5S

00:11:42   are still out there. The new phones are bigger, but

00:11:46   I think when people assume that that's the end of the line for the smaller phones,

00:11:50   it could be, "I am skeptical. I think

00:11:54   Apple, I think there's a good chance Apple is going to keep something

00:11:58   around in that size for a while and perhaps even forever.

00:12:02   Just because it didn't get updated this year

00:12:04   doesn't mean that in a year or two,

00:12:07   there will be something, whether it's called the five

00:12:09   or whether it's called like the 6C for compact or smaller

00:12:12   or something like that, that is on par or close to on par

00:12:17   with these bigger phones, but is in that smaller,

00:12:19   a smaller size like the 5 series.

00:12:22   And so we got some feedback about that.

00:12:25   Listener Phil wrote in to say that there were,

00:12:29   the Plus felt way too big to use.

00:12:31   He was planning on getting the 6 himself,

00:12:33   but if there were a hardware upgraded 5S,

00:12:35   he might be tempted to stick with that.

00:12:37   And Listener Shep wrote in to say,

00:12:40   "I think a small functional iPhone Nano is possible

00:12:43   if the technology behind the Apple Watch

00:12:46   can be made affordably and in larger sizes."

00:12:48   He had an interesting idea that there's actually a patent,

00:12:51   an Apple patent about that is making,

00:12:54   eliminating the physical home button

00:12:56   and instead making sort of a virtual button

00:13:00   that would reduce the size even more

00:13:02   while still keeping the screen at the same size,

00:13:04   which is an interesting idea.

00:13:05   But definitely, I heard a lot of women on Twitter,

00:13:10   Brianna Wu was going on about this,

00:13:12   like these phones are too big for them.

00:13:14   They don't fit in their pockets.

00:13:15   They don't like it.

00:13:15   They like the five.

00:13:16   I don't think the release of the six and the six plus

00:13:21   is Apple saying, you people who like the five,

00:13:23   we, you know, forget it, we're never gonna serve you again.

00:13:27   You could assume that because they didn't do a new five

00:13:30   this time, but I don't know, there is nothing stopping them

00:13:33   from continuing to have a phone that size

00:13:37   in their product line, they just didn't update it this year.

00:13:40   - I've been thinking about this a little bit too myself,

00:13:42   and I don't think they did what we expected them to do,

00:13:45   which was to take the 5S and put it in a plastic shell.

00:13:50   - Right, right, the 5C is still the 5C,

00:13:53   which is two years ago's model now in a plastic shell.

00:13:57   - And then the 5S is just the 5S.

00:14:00   So, but I've also been thinking quite a bit about this

00:14:04   and I think that, I wonder if Apple

00:14:08   would be willing to do it.

00:14:10   Like, you're looking at the sales numbers,

00:14:13   we had the first sales numbers of 10 million

00:14:15   sold over opening weekend with the new iPhone 6 and 6 Plus.

00:14:22   And I wonder, you know, if in a, I don't know,

00:14:24   it'd be like four years maybe before the 5S

00:14:29   would be bumped out, potentially something like,

00:14:31   if you look at the fact we've just got rid of the 4S,

00:14:34   how old is the 4S?

00:14:36   - Oh, the 4S is, well, if the 5 is two years old,

00:14:40   the 4S is three years old.

00:14:42   - So maybe in about three years time

00:14:44   is when we're gonna get the answer to that question.

00:14:45   - Maybe, maybe, I mean, there's the work that goes

00:14:48   into integrating the innards of the phone

00:14:51   into a smaller thing.

00:14:53   I mean, presumably they would at some point

00:14:55   want to increase the, improve the industrial design,

00:14:57   make it more curvy and less like the five is now

00:15:01   because that's the old design language

00:15:02   and they moved on to this new look and feel.

00:15:05   But I think there's nothing stopping them from doing that.

00:15:07   I think, you know, Apple's got a lot, behind the scenes,

00:15:10   Apple does a lot of market research.

00:15:12   They've got a lot of numbers.

00:15:13   They know in what regions, at what rate

00:15:17   the large size phones sell.

00:15:20   That was one of the reasons that they made the 6 Plus

00:15:22   is to go into regions, especially like Asia,

00:15:25   where those phones are very popular.

00:15:26   They know what phones sell and at what sizes.

00:15:30   So Apple probably knows the answer to this already

00:15:33   about what the difference is

00:15:35   between the iPhone 5 sized market

00:15:38   and the iPhone 6 sized market.

00:15:40   And they may have already decided,

00:15:41   well, it's not a big enough market for us to worry about it.

00:15:44   I think it's just as likely that they said,

00:15:46   look, the 6 is our flagship.

00:15:48   that is gonna be the size that most people want.

00:15:51   Some people are gonna want a bigger phone,

00:15:52   some people are gonna want a smaller phone,

00:15:54   and we will serve those markets too.

00:15:56   And if it's worth it for them to make a phone

00:16:01   that's a little bit smaller, they will.

00:16:03   They just don't need to do it right now

00:16:04   because the 5S is a perfectly good phone,

00:16:06   it's got touch ID, it doesn't have the NFC stuff

00:16:09   for Apple Pay, but it's a one year old phone.

00:16:13   There was a huge leap in performance

00:16:14   between the 5 and the 5S.

00:16:16   So the 5S is solid in a way that that free 5C

00:16:21   is a perfectly fine phone too,

00:16:23   but the 5S is that much faster.

00:16:25   So I don't know, they didn't need to change it now.

00:16:28   I think the question is gonna be in a year or two,

00:16:31   do they just say, "Forget it if you want a smaller phone?"

00:16:33   I just, they've done the market research,

00:16:36   so they probably know, but I would be surprised actually.

00:16:39   I would probably put a very modest bet

00:16:42   that there will, on the fact that there will always be

00:16:45   a smaller phone in the line, that they don't want to turn their back on people

00:16:50   who refuse that. But they may know different. They may think,

00:16:53   "Yeah, people are complaining, but they'll all get used to it and then there'll be no

00:16:56   market for a smaller phone."

00:16:57   That may be. They're the ones that have

00:17:00   lots of, you know, Apple does a lot of

00:17:03   research. They don't make these moves

00:17:07   entirely on gut feel. They have an idea of how consumers are

00:17:10   are seeing this product line. But from Twitter it seems like

00:17:14   there is a market, Twitter not a great research tool, but it seems like there is a market for a

00:17:18   smaller phone out there that maybe Apple will maintain in the future. I think it may have been

00:17:26   John Gruber's review where he spoke about, I read it in somebody's review, about the fact that

00:17:32   there'll probably never be an iPhone bigger than this because they were like testing sizes in

00:17:37   in increments. Right, yeah he said like every every tenth of an inch or something like that.

00:17:44   So yeah here we go I've got the quote here. "My understanding talking to people at the

00:17:51   event last week is that Apple's industrial design team mocked up prototypes of every

00:17:55   single size between 4.0 and 6.0 inches in tenths of an inch increments and from those

00:18:02   twenty sizes selected the two that hit the best sweet spots the regular iPhone and ginormous

00:18:07   iPhone so we might never see new iPhone sizes again or at least not bigger ones.

00:18:14   Keeping in mind, I mean he's talking to people who are working on the hardware design, but

00:18:18   like I said, this is also informed by research.

00:18:21   This is also informed by who's buying what, at least on a gross scale, right?

00:18:25   They know people are buying big phones so they wanted to make a big phone and then they

00:18:28   figured out what their right size was for their big phone.

00:18:33   And the small, I think it works on the small side too.

00:18:35   I don't know what they're thinking internally at Apple,

00:18:37   obviously about this.

00:18:38   Do they think the six is enough?

00:18:40   But yeah, the six plus is big.

00:18:43   And above a certain point, yeah,

00:18:45   they probably would rather you just buy an iPad.

00:18:48   But markets change too.

00:18:50   People, you know, if Samsung or somebody else comes out

00:18:53   with something that's crazy that everybody looks at

00:18:56   and thinks, well, that, you know, that'll never sell

00:18:58   and it surprisingly sells, then everybody will take stock.

00:19:01   And they'll, I think that's what happened with the Note.

00:19:04   See, this is the difference between Apple and Samsung.

00:19:07   Apple mocks up every size in 10th of an inch increments

00:19:11   and holds it in their hands, you know, internally at Apple.

00:19:14   Samsung just releases every phone in every size

00:19:17   and sees what sells, which is crazy.

00:19:19   - I wonder what the right option is in that scenario,

00:19:22   though, right?

00:19:23   Because Samsung found their winner.

00:19:25   - Yeah, yeah.

00:19:26   - And they may have never found it.

00:19:28   - Yes, exactly right.

00:19:29   And Apple didn't, you know, Apple wasn't a believer

00:19:33   in that, I think, in that large phone size.

00:19:36   And they learned a lesson.

00:19:37   No, there's advantages to doing what Samsung does

00:19:41   'cause they're doing market research in the market.

00:19:42   I think Apple,

00:19:44   part of it is I think Apple can't make that many products.

00:19:49   I think Apple's attention to quality and detail

00:19:52   is such that they really need to focus

00:19:53   and they're not that huge a company.

00:19:55   They need to focus on a few products

00:19:57   and make them really, really good.

00:19:58   And Samsung has the ability,

00:19:59   and especially Samsung with the Android interface

00:20:02   being scalable, that, you know, it wasn't a lot of extra work to make all those different

00:20:05   models whereas Apple has had to spend two years laying the groundwork to make these

00:20:10   different phone sizes because they were locked into that sort of 1x, 2x mode for their developers.

00:20:17   So you know, it was in some ways, it was easier for Samsung to do it because Samsung's playing

00:20:23   Samsung's game and Apple's playing Apple's game but you know, Samsung got an advantage

00:20:27   because they threw lots of spaghetti against the wall and something stuck and

00:20:31   it was it was the the note especially that that surprised everybody.

00:20:35   So we still have quite a bit more follow-up but I want to take a quick

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00:22:00   So now even if you have an app that isn't one of the 60+ that support snippets

00:22:05   directly, you can now still get the great time and hassle-saving benefits of TextExpander

00:22:11   everywhere because of this custom keyboard that they've made.

00:22:15   This is something that simply could not be done before iOS 8 and a new TextExpander

00:22:19   keyboard has quickly become one of my favorite new features of iOS 8. I am able

00:22:23   to just jump in and I'm able to trigger off little things like I have shipping

00:22:28   addresses and stuff like that that I have text expanded snippets for and rather

00:22:32   than having to type all of that out I can just use the text expanded keyboard

00:22:35   and I can trigger them everywhere. I want to make something very clear for a

00:22:39   moment. So Apple have a limitation, not a limitation, it's like a security setting

00:22:46   that they've enabled. So you have to kind of say I want to give keyboards full

00:22:50   access and this can typically means like connecting to the internet for whatever

00:22:56   reason this that they may need to like apps like SwiftKey they go out to the

00:23:01   internet for suggestions and things like that. Now the TextExpander requires

00:23:06   TextExpander keyboard requires you to give this but it's only so you can share

00:23:10   snippet data with the main TextExpander app and also play the awesome bloop

00:23:14   sounds that you're used to hearing when you expand a snippet. So that they need it so

00:23:18   they can connect the two apps together so you can get the snippets. Now, Smile wanted

00:23:23   me to bring this up because they've had some feedback from their customers and so something

00:23:26   that they've done, that they had done anyway, is they publish an update to their privacy

00:23:30   policy on their website which you can check out if you want and it outlines exactly what

00:23:34   they need this access for. But it's effectively just so it can get the access to the snippets

00:23:38   that you want. I love this keyboard, it's made a real improvement to my work on iOS

00:23:43   I love how they use the lowercase and uppercase lettering on the keyboard so you don't have

00:23:47   to keep second guessing that shift key.

00:23:49   So go right now to the App Store and grab the new TextExpander Touch 3 and start saving

00:23:54   time today.

00:23:55   Thank you so much to TextExpander and Smile, of course, for their sponsoring of Upgrade

00:24:01   and Relay FM.

00:24:03   Yeah, one of the funny things about this update is there were apps that supported TextExpander,

00:24:09   but it was a lot of work for the third-party apps.

00:24:11   and then you get to an Apple app and there was no support for it because Apple

00:24:16   wasn't paying attention, didn't care, wasn't going to work on that.

00:24:19   And now with this keyboard it's everywhere. It's literally everywhere you

00:24:22   get that keyboard you can use the text expander shortcuts

00:24:25   in Notes, in Mail, in Safari, wherever.

00:24:28   I love using it in Mail.

00:24:31   Yeah. Big fan.

00:24:34   So Mr Snell,

00:24:35   back to your beloved follow up.

00:24:37   Oh, follow up.

00:24:38   Yeah, well you know episode one there's going to be a lot of follow-up.

00:24:43   Listener Bonnie wrote in to say that she ordered the iPhone 6 Plus for her 84-year-old mother.

00:24:49   This is something that we mentioned last week.

00:24:53   She's moving up from an iPhone 4 but Bonnie says because of her failing eyesight I've

00:24:57   had to have the text on her old phone expanded so large she actually used a magnifying glass

00:25:01   on her phone.

00:25:02   And with the new 6 Plus, they'll have the display zoom turned on.

00:25:09   So everything will be bigger, and then she'll also have an easier time finding the phone

00:25:12   because it's just that much larger.

00:25:15   And I thought that was an interesting real world example of how I've heard this in the past,

00:25:19   that people want, you know, you have two choices when you make a screen bigger.

00:25:23   You can either make it show more or just make everything scale up and be bigger the bigger it gets.

00:25:29   Like, I don't know if you remember the,

00:25:31   for a while Apple was making the iBook in 11 and 13 inches

00:25:35   and, or 12 and 14 inches, something like that.

00:25:38   It was two sizes, but the screens were the same size.

00:25:41   So literally it was just, on the bigger laptop,

00:25:43   everything looked bigger.

00:25:45   There's the same resolution, just a different size.

00:25:48   So you could get small print or large print iBook.

00:25:52   And this is a little bit like that.

00:25:53   So nice, so 84 year old mom getting an iPhone 6 Plus.

00:25:58   Myke, your phone is the choice of the octogenarians.

00:26:02   - Just like me, huh?

00:26:03   - Mm-hmm.

00:26:05   You're very much like an 84-year-old mother.

00:26:07   - I'm an octogenarian at heart.

00:26:10   - That's right.

00:26:11   Damn kids.

00:26:12   Get off my lawn.

00:26:13   Listener Russ wrote in,

00:26:17   people were asking about the speaker,

00:26:19   and the 6+ definitely seems to have

00:26:22   a little bit louder speaker.

00:26:24   We talked about speakers last time,

00:26:26   and his suggestion, which is an interesting one,

00:26:28   is that maybe Apple doesn't care too much about the speakers

00:26:31   because they know that people are using this with Bluetooth

00:26:34   and docs and things like that

00:26:35   and doesn't really prioritize the speaker, which is true.

00:26:40   So that may be why you're not getting as much satisfaction

00:26:43   out of your speaker on your iPhone.

00:26:47   Have you tried the speaker on the new phone yet?

00:26:50   - I've had it for like an hour,

00:26:51   which I'm gonna mention in a bit.

00:26:53   So I haven't got to dig in too much,

00:26:55   but I have seen people on Twitter saying that to them,

00:26:58   it sounds better or louder. It is louder. It is noticeably louder than the 6 or the

00:27:03   5. And to be honest, I mean for me, and one of the reasons I asked, it wasn't so much

00:27:08   that I needed it to have more accurate sound reproduction, you know, for my audio file

00:27:13   music. You just want to hear podcasts while you're cooking. Exactly. I want to hear it

00:27:18   over things. Yeah. And so, you know, if it's louder that's great. I did not expect the

00:27:26   vibrate motor to be so dramatic. It's powerful. Well you get that big phone you

00:27:35   got room for a nice powerful vibration from the motor. There was something that

00:27:41   I wanted to ask you from an article that I read on your lovely website which

00:27:46   we're going to talk about in a bit, SixColors.com and it was about the

00:27:50   you wrote about the Apple Watch Edition right so the potentially two

00:27:55   million dollar watch. I should have charged everybody a thousand dollars to

00:28:00   read that article because it's article edition. But there was one

00:28:04   thing that you mentioned in it that I hadn't seen anywhere else which is the

00:28:10   box that the edition comes in. Can you just, anybody that hasn't read it or

00:28:15   just to recap, what am I referring to? It just got lost in the shuffle. Some people

00:28:19   wrote about it. I actually did a search because I didn't see it anywhere either

00:28:22   either and David Pogue mentioned it. Anybody who got a briefing after the event got a chance

00:28:27   to see it and a few people wrote about it but I think it got lost in the shuffle of

00:28:30   the event. The idea is that if you buy the Apple Watch edition, it's unclear exactly

00:28:34   what you get. I think I recall but I don't have it in my notes that they said that you

00:28:38   actually get multiple bands when you buy the edition which again I'm not 100% sure on that

00:28:45   but again you're paying so much, we don't know how much, for this that they really wanted

00:28:49   to load it up with features. And one of the things is, it comes in a box. It comes in

00:28:53   a leather box. So that's fancy, right? And it's just like any watch, you get a fancy

00:28:59   watch box. It's part of the luxury watch experience. The difference here is that when you open

00:29:04   the top, when you take the top of the box off, the base of the box, the bottom part,

00:29:08   has the magnetic sort of stand where the watch attaches. It's a MagSafe induction charger

00:29:16   for the watch. And on the back of the box is a little slot that is a lightning slot

00:29:23   and you can slot a lightning cable in there and plug it in and now your leather Apple

00:29:28   Watch Edition box is a dock that you can put by your bedside or out by your hot tub or

00:29:34   on your helipad or in your island retreat or wherever you'd like and you can charge

00:29:42   it right there at the end of the day. So it's not just a case, it's not just a box, it's

00:29:47   a leather charger box. So you're not like threading the cable through this, it's like

00:29:52   built in to it. Oh the electronics are built in, so you plug one of those little white

00:29:57   lightning cables into the little slot on the back of the box and that's it. And then you

00:30:02   click, you know you put the watch on the magnetic charging thingy and it charges. See because

00:30:10   this like watch boxes are a thing in high-end watches right so it this shows that they are

00:30:17   paying attention to it i've been thinking a lot about this because i like many people

00:30:23   have not considered the price of the watch edition it's too much a lot of us are like well it's gonna

00:30:32   cost too much and who thought i didn't think much more than that like it'll be a lot like i said to

00:30:38   John Syracuse on Twitter, you know, how much you got. It's all of that. We'll take it all.

00:30:45   All your assets.

00:30:46   There's so many questions.

00:30:48   Yeah. Well, that's part of Apple's plan here. One, they don't know the answers to a lot

00:30:54   of these questions. And two, they're going to have to roll this product out next year

00:30:58   and they want to save some mystery. So some of it is mystery and some of it is they don't

00:31:02   know yet what they're going to say. But it is fascinating. They are piling on. I got

00:31:07   the feeling when I was looking at it. They're piling on the luxury features, that it's solid

00:31:11   gold and it is definitely heavier than the other watches because it is gold. It's impressive.

00:31:18   They're loading a lot of luxury features into this. This isn't just, you know, you get it

00:31:22   in the same plastic box. You get it in the special leather box with the charger built

00:31:25   in.

00:31:26   What are your thoughts about the one-year shelf life, potentially? If we look at this

00:31:32   like all of our other Apple devices.

00:31:35   I mean, that's a great question.

00:31:39   I was listening actually to a accidental tech podcast

00:31:43   the other day and they were talking about this too.

00:31:45   And it was, you know, the idea of planned obsolescence

00:31:48   that after a year or two,

00:31:49   this is gonna be old crappy hardware

00:31:50   and you just spent thousands and thousands of dollars on it.

00:31:53   And it's old crappy hardware wrapped in gold.

00:31:56   And when I think about the edition and its price

00:31:59   and all these features, it does make me wonder

00:32:03   If part of the features that they pile into a product

00:32:06   that's that expensive, might not be upgrades,

00:32:11   might not be a guarantee that for five years

00:32:16   they will replace the internals,

00:32:19   that you'll be able to take it to an Apple store

00:32:21   and wait half an hour or wait an hour,

00:32:25   like you would take your watch in to be serviced

00:32:27   at a high end watch store, maybe it's a day,

00:32:31   and come back and it will have new internals

00:32:33   that they'll commit to fitting the latest technology

00:32:37   into that watch shape for some period of time.

00:32:41   It wouldn't, that would be very different

00:32:43   and it seems untenable except when we realize

00:32:46   we're talking about a, you know, whatever,

00:32:48   two, five, $10,000 piece of jewelry,

00:32:51   maybe that's one of the new ways Apple addresses this market

00:32:56   is with some sort of a guarantee against obsolescence

00:32:59   for some period of time.

00:33:00   It wouldn't, they're going way off the book here.

00:33:03   So it wouldn't surprise me for them to take it further

00:33:05   and say, you get concierge service and technical upgrades.

00:33:09   And for at least five years,

00:33:11   we'll make sure that you've got the latest,

00:33:14   latest hardware updates on the inside of this thing.

00:33:18   That's impractical to a point

00:33:20   if they keep changing the look of the design.

00:33:22   But maybe it's worth it to commit to finding a way

00:33:27   to build something into this enclosure

00:33:31   or to swap it for a different one even,

00:33:34   just to give them some guarantee.

00:33:36   'Cause that's what worries me,

00:33:37   is you spend 10 grand on something that's a family heirloom,

00:33:40   it's different from spending 10 grand on something

00:33:42   that's gonna be completely outdated in a year or two.

00:33:45   - I think you could just swap it over, right?

00:33:48   Like the cost of them getting the gold back helps.

00:33:53   - Yeah, it could be that simple.

00:33:56   Although whether, I don't know, I don't know.

00:34:00   It depends on how personal people feel about it,

00:34:02   but maybe, maybe so.

00:34:04   I don't know, I think there's something there.

00:34:06   I think that if I was an Apple working on the Apple Watch,

00:34:10   this would be one of the main discussions is

00:34:13   the difference between a Rolex and the Apple Watch

00:34:16   is that the Rolex will do exactly what it does now

00:34:19   in 50 years, because they're not gonna change time, right?

00:34:23   They're not gonna add a 14th, 15th, and 16th hour in 2020.

00:34:28   They're not gonna add a new number.

00:34:32   None of those things is going to happen.

00:34:34   Watches are still going to work.

00:34:37   But the Apple Watch is a piece of technology

00:34:39   and we know how those things go.

00:34:41   So that's, I would have that high on my list of concerns

00:34:46   for something with a high price tag

00:34:47   like the Apple Watch edition if I were at Apple.

00:34:50   - Do you remember when the original iPhone

00:34:53   was released and it how long was it for it until it shipped? Is it like six months?

00:34:58   Oh they announced it no I wasn't out in December and they announced it in

00:35:05   October I think so I think it was only a couple of months for the for the for the

00:35:09   iPod? No the original iPhone. Oh iPhone yeah that was six months that was

00:35:13   January to end of June beginning of July. So six months. Between that time

00:35:18   everyone just spoke about what they thought the iPhone was gonna be like and

00:35:21   talking about, oh imagine if this is the iPhone,

00:35:24   that's the kind of stuff.

00:35:26   That's what we have again.

00:35:27   - Yeah.

00:35:28   - We can spend the next six months just pontificating

00:35:31   about the word tradition. - Isn't it great?

00:35:32   - It's great.

00:35:34   - There's limited information, some people know things

00:35:36   that other people don't know.

00:35:37   Everything's sort of spread through whispers,

00:35:39   plenty of room for speculation, yeah.

00:35:42   - We've got something to talk about, right?

00:35:44   - Yeah, high five.

00:35:46   - There's one last thing that I dropped in a document today

00:35:50   And it's not follow-up per se,

00:35:54   but this felt like the best place to say it.

00:35:56   And it was a tweet from our friend, David Sparks.

00:35:59   And he's obviously referring to the IOS 8 episode

00:36:04   of Mac Power Users.

00:36:05   And his tweet was, "I think I angered the entire internet

00:36:09   by repeatedly saying, 'Hey Siri,' on the podcast.

00:36:12   Think we'll need a code word for future reference."

00:36:15   And it made me think about how much power we have

00:36:18   for anybody listening on like a loudspeaker

00:36:20   or in an office or something, could you say,

00:36:21   "Hey, Siri," and then they're all just gonna go off.

00:36:24   So I don't know if you maybe wanna give it a go.

00:36:26   - When I was on, I think MacBreak Weekly

00:36:28   or it might've been Twit a few weeks ago,

00:36:30   we were talking about this,

00:36:30   and it was only when it was in beta.

00:36:32   So the potential for downfall was less.

00:36:36   But yes, you have the ability

00:36:37   because there's no way to train it

00:36:39   to only respond to your voice or something.

00:36:41   If you've got this feature turned on in iOS 8

00:36:43   and your iPhone is plugged in and listening to us,

00:36:46   then I could say, "Hey, Siri, send a text message to my mom

00:36:51   saying I'm sorry for what I did."

00:36:53   (laughing)

00:36:56   Yes, send it.

00:36:59   (laughing)

00:37:02   It's really dangerous and I don't think I like this feature.

00:37:06   Also, I don't know if you like husband and wife

00:37:07   and you both have iPhone 6s

00:37:09   and they're sitting next to each other

00:37:10   and somebody says, "Hey, Siri, they're both gonna fire off."

00:37:12   It's crazy, yeah, I wonder about this feature.

00:37:15   - I turned it off immediately when I...

00:37:17   (laughing)

00:37:18   Because I activated it.

00:37:20   But the thing, I was watching a TV show

00:37:22   and it just randomly went off.

00:37:24   Nobody said, "Hey, Siri."

00:37:25   It just fired off on its own.

00:37:27   I can't understand why you would want this

00:37:31   if the iPhone doesn't do anything to try and learn your voice

00:37:34   which it doesn't appear like it does

00:37:36   or at least if it does,

00:37:37   I haven't seen anybody mention it.

00:37:39   - Yeah, I like the idea of it being in some environments

00:37:43   where you might wanna be, you know,

00:37:45   you can't press a button, you know, you're not,

00:37:48   you're really hands-free and you wanna trigger off Siri.

00:37:51   I can see that, but yeah,

00:37:53   you'd either wanna be able to set a code word

00:37:55   or have some other kind of, you know,

00:38:00   voice recognition that matches you to a person.

00:38:03   Right now, it's just kind of dangerous.

00:38:04   And like I was saying, impractical,

00:38:06   'cause if you've got multiple devices that do this,

00:38:08   then it's gonna be a disaster.

00:38:10   Every device is gonna do the same thing

00:38:11   and you're gonna have many series talking back to you

00:38:13   and it's crazy.

00:38:15   I should try that sometime,

00:38:16   'cause I've got three of these devices right now.

00:38:19   I should, we could just line up like five iOS 8 devices

00:38:23   and plug them all in and then see what happens

00:38:26   when you say, "Hey Siri, that's bad.

00:38:27   "That's a bad idea.

00:38:29   "I gotta do that."

00:38:30   - So let's talk about the new iPhones a little bit.

00:38:34   So I received my iPhone Plus today,

00:38:40   like an hour before I recorded.

00:38:43   So I don't have a lot to say about it right now.

00:38:48   I have a few things.

00:38:49   It is really, really big.

00:38:53   - Yes.

00:38:54   How do your fingers fit with it though?

00:38:57   - Not too badly.

00:38:58   - Your crazily, insanely long fingers.

00:39:02   - It is big.

00:39:04   (laughing)

00:39:04   - It is big.

00:39:05   - I think I can deal with it.

00:39:09   I think I've not had enough time with it yet

00:39:12   to get used to it, but I can hold it

00:39:14   and I feel like I have a secure hold on it.

00:39:16   I bought this rubbery case from Amazon.

00:39:20   So I had a case on day one because I ordered

00:39:23   one of the Apple silicone cases,

00:39:25   but doesn't ship till October,

00:39:27   which seems kind of a strange thing to do

00:39:31   to have a phone and I ordered them at the same time.

00:39:35   So the cases couldn't have sold out faster than the phones.

00:39:39   So I didn't really understand what's going on there.

00:39:41   but I'm going to go to an Apple store tomorrow

00:39:43   and buy one of the leather cases and Apple Care Plus.

00:39:48   I've never had Apple Care for a phone before,

00:39:51   but I think I will drop this one.

00:39:52   So I'm going to get that.

00:39:56   Lots of people will probably ask for the case that I bought.

00:40:00   So I'll make sure I put it in the show notes.

00:40:03   It's one of these companies that I think always takes a bet

00:40:07   on the rumors or is one of the companies

00:40:10   pays a ridiculous amount. Spigen. S P I G E N. I've heard people say that these guys

00:40:17   are always kind of there on Amazon on day one. I bought like a clear kind of

00:40:23   rubbery texture case. I like a case that gives me extra grip. That's important

00:40:30   with this phone to have as much grip as possible. So I'm probably gonna get one

00:40:35   of the leather cases and the silicon cases and just decide between which one I like

00:40:39   the most. I really like the the I've been trying the Apple leather case on the on

00:40:45   the 6 and it's nice it's nicer than the 5 cases I think the Apple 5 cases were

00:40:51   kind of hard to put on and the leather one didn't feel like leather it was

00:40:54   stretched so tightly and it was like not textured and it didn't feel like a

00:40:58   leather case even though it was made of leather and the new one is much easier

00:41:03   to get on and nicer and feels like leather and feels a little more grippy

00:41:07   and I've actually been enjoying trying it

00:41:09   and I don't usually wear a case with my iPhone

00:41:12   and I put it on and it's actually pretty nice.

00:41:16   It's funny that you talk about having the device

00:41:17   and not the case, 'cause for me,

00:41:19   I always flash back to when the,

00:41:21   I wanna say maybe the first iPad mini came out

00:41:23   and I bought it and I got a box from Apple

00:41:26   and I was very excited and it was the case.

00:41:29   It was like the smart case or the smart cover.

00:41:31   And for like two weeks,

00:41:33   I had this thing that didn't attach to anything.

00:41:35   I just had this cover

00:41:36   and it was just, it was the worst.

00:41:39   Like, eventually these magnets will snap

00:41:42   onto an Apple product,

00:41:43   but now it's just a cover for nothing.

00:41:46   So that's worse, believe me,

00:41:48   having the case and not the product, that is the worst.

00:41:52   - So aside from that, I don't have a lot more to say.

00:41:57   Like I've not used it nowhere near enough.

00:41:59   - Yeah, oh no, you need to take some time with it.

00:42:01   You really, yeah, you need to take some time with it.

00:42:04   that's you've got to live with it and like do all of your things that are just, that

00:42:09   come naturally that you don't even think about and see where they conflict with this new

00:42:14   thing and then how you deal with that.

00:42:17   So in a moment of cross-promotion, so I'm recording "Connected" tomorrow with me and

00:42:24   Federico Vittucci, which is another Relay FM show at relay.fm/connected. So I'm going

00:42:30   give myself on that show I would have had my first 24 hours and one thing that

00:42:36   I'm going to do is not charge the phone my plan is to not plug my phone in from

00:42:42   the moment I unplug it tomorrow and see how far I can go I think that would be

00:42:48   that's that would be a really important test for me because one of the reasons

00:42:51   of having this device is for the battery so I will have had it for a day at that

00:42:57   point if you think that one day is any better than an hour so you can tune

00:43:01   into connected and hear my thoughts on the 6 plus. Very nice I look forward to

00:43:06   that. How have your impressions changed if at all since the last time we spoke?

00:43:12   Oh I don't know not not a lot I mean I like the 6 I think I made the right

00:43:21   choice there. I think the 6 Plus is going to have its huge fans and that's great and

00:43:29   that a lot of people are going to say, "Wow, that's a really enormous phone. I'm not quite

00:43:34   sure about that." I like the 6 Plus. The battery life is amazing. The screen is amazing. But

00:43:45   But it's huge and so it's only gonna be for some people.

00:43:50   Beyond that, I guess all the time I spent at XOXO

00:43:53   did teach me that I think the battery life,

00:43:57   it's hard to gauge battery life.

00:43:58   The battery life on the 6 feels better than on the 5,

00:44:00   although I'm using a one-year-old 5S.

00:44:02   So that battery is degraded already

00:44:05   'cause that's what happens with batteries

00:44:07   is you use them and they lose life.

00:44:09   But it seems better and then the 6 Plus

00:44:13   is that much better on top of that.

00:44:15   - Betterer.

00:44:17   - It is more better, yeah.

00:44:18   - And you mentioned this,

00:44:22   are you using a case right on yours?

00:44:24   - Yeah, I'm just trying out the Apple leather case

00:44:26   and just to see, honestly,

00:44:30   just so I can write something about it,

00:44:31   to just sort of experience what these cases are like.

00:44:33   And like I said, it feels better than the five cases.

00:44:36   It was easier to put on

00:44:38   and it feels more like an actual leather case

00:44:40   and it is grippy in a way.

00:44:42   and the old leather cases were so stretched out

00:44:45   and they felt weird.

00:44:47   I didn't like the Apple cases on the 5,

00:44:50   but on the 6, it seems pretty nice.

00:44:53   - And what phone did you buy?

00:44:56   - I bought the 6 in space grey at the 64.

00:45:01   So yeah, that was the one I bought and I've got it.

00:45:06   And it's great.

00:45:07   It's nice to be back with the black phone

00:45:10   after a year with the, I got the gold last year.

00:45:14   It's nice, it's fine.

00:45:17   But I like the, my favorite iPhone maybe of all time

00:45:21   was the black iPhone 5.

00:45:23   I loved the black iPhone 5.

00:45:25   It was just like Darth Vader's phone.

00:45:27   And this is not quite that,

00:45:29   but although I've got the black leather case on it.

00:45:32   So the space gray, you can't even see the space gray,

00:45:34   it's just all black.

00:45:35   It's the spinal tap phone.

00:45:38   How much black could it be? None more black.

00:45:40   The black 5 was the one that like really chipped up, wasn't it?

00:45:46   Not for me, but yeah, apparently for people. Apparently it could show some wounds, but you know, it didn't ever bother me.

00:45:57   It was great. I loved it.

00:45:59   A black phone as black as my heart.

00:46:02   No, that's not true.

00:46:05   That's not true. My heart is much blacker than that. Anyway.

00:46:07   Apparently your heart consists of six colors.

00:46:10   Six colors, that's right.

00:46:11   It is pumping six colors through.

00:46:13   This is true.

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00:48:30   And listener Leo writes, "You almost sent a text to my mum with your 'Hey Siri' joke.

00:48:35   That brought podcast interaction to a whole new level."

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00:48:40   Oh, Jason, you may have done both an amazing and terrible thing.

00:48:44   It's not me, it's Apple!

00:48:46   Apple does this thing!

00:48:47   It's a bad idea!

00:48:49   We were just doing some theater, it's theater!

00:48:52   I know.

00:48:53   I know this is podcasting theater, that's what it is.

00:48:56   So I'm sometimes known for my interviewing skills.

00:48:59   Yes.

00:49:00   Will you allow me to conduct a mini-interview?

00:49:05   What you like to be known for are your interviewing skills.

00:49:09   Well now, I mean you were one of my favorite guests on Command Space and Inquisitive and

00:49:14   I can't do it anymore.

00:49:16   You can no longer be a guest on my show.

00:49:18   I've retired.

00:49:19   I have to do it here.

00:49:21   So we didn't talk about six colors at all last week.

00:49:24   No, I wasn't sure whether it would be up by the time the podcast posted, so I didn't want

00:49:29   to commit.

00:49:30   I did mention that the old saying about bleeding six colors, but I didn't actually say that

00:49:35   that was my site.

00:49:36   That was like a little Easter egg.

00:49:37   That was a nice nod.

00:49:38   Yeah.

00:49:39   I like that.

00:49:40   I had a big smile on my face when you said it.

00:49:43   So I want to talk about not just six colors, but the shift in your day-to-day life.

00:49:51   So this has been your first week ever as an independent writer, right?

00:49:57   Yeah, it's day four now, essentially, my work day, day four of working in my garage doing this as my job.

00:50:06   How's it been?

00:50:09   Well, it's been a crazy couple of weeks. That's the thing, is that we had the Apple event, then the IDG layoff,

00:50:17   and then I very rapidly was like doing,

00:50:22   well then I was writing my iPhone review

00:50:25   and we did our first episode and I went to XOXO

00:50:30   and I finished my iPhone review and I came home

00:50:33   and the iPhone embargo's dropped and I launched the website

00:50:37   and then I had three days where I was sort of like

00:50:41   doing things with the website, writing articles,

00:50:43   fixing things in the HTML and all of that.

00:50:45   So it's too early to tell,

00:50:48   'cause this is literally like day four

00:50:50   of what would be considered a normal day for me.

00:50:52   It's been a lot of fun though.

00:50:54   I've said in a few places on my statement

00:50:57   when I left Macworld that it had been

00:50:59   a tough couple of years, I hadn't really been happy,

00:51:02   and I hadn't been doing the things

00:51:03   that I really loved at the job.

00:51:05   And I can say that so far.

00:51:07   I get out of bed in the morning

00:51:09   and I have none of those feelings of like,

00:51:10   oh God, I gotta grip my teeth,

00:51:14   I gotta get through this, it's another day,

00:51:17   I gotta go into the office.

00:51:18   And that's just gone, those feelings are gone.

00:51:21   Now, give it a few weeks and we'll see if they come back

00:51:24   and like, oh, I can't believe I gotta go to the garage now

00:51:26   and start working.

00:51:27   But for now it's just sort of a glee of like,

00:51:28   I get to go out and work and write things and find links

00:51:33   and talk to people on the internet and do podcasts.

00:51:35   And I'm excited about that.

00:51:37   But I'm still trying to find a rhythm and a schedule

00:51:42   that works for me.

00:51:43   and it's a brand new thing.

00:51:46   So I'm gonna learn a lot about what to do

00:51:49   and what not to do.

00:51:49   And a lot of this is experimental and exploratory right now

00:51:52   'cause it's day four.

00:51:54   This is the first full week of me doing this.

00:52:00   So we'll see how it goes.

00:52:02   I'm gonna learn a lot.

00:52:03   I'm just open to the fact that I'm gonna learn things

00:52:06   that are completely unexpected of like,

00:52:09   oh, turns out this sort of thing is good

00:52:10   and this sort of thing I should never ever ever do.

00:52:13   And I look forward to that.

00:52:14   - What's it been like to get back into writing every day?

00:52:20   Because I think I can probably assume

00:52:23   that you weren't writing every day when you were at IDG.

00:52:27   I assume you were also doing a lot of administrative work

00:52:31   and meetings and like planning and things like that.

00:52:34   - Yeah, I kept the Apple articles

00:52:39   and occasionally I would write other stories

00:52:41   just to keep myself sane.

00:52:42   But most of my job was meetings

00:52:44   and talking to other editors.

00:52:45   And the way I phrased it,

00:52:46   I think when I announced my departure was,

00:52:49   I was managing the people who managed the people

00:52:51   who managed the people who wrote articles.

00:52:53   And that was just, you know,

00:52:54   and even when I was EIC at Macworld,

00:52:57   I was doing a lot less of that stuff

00:53:00   than because I was managing,

00:53:02   and it's not just managing,

00:53:04   it's also that there were other people there

00:53:06   to do those things.

00:53:07   So like, I don't have any,

00:53:08   on Six Colors, I don't have any comprehensive

00:53:10   iOS 8 coverage right now.

00:53:11   And the number one reason for that is

00:53:14   that this has been a crazy couple of weeks

00:53:16   and I had to do the iPhone review and prioritize that.

00:53:18   But number two reason is,

00:53:20   Dan Morin wrote that review for Macworld.

00:53:22   And so I've spent, you know, that was a delegation thing.

00:53:26   That was, Dan's gonna do that.

00:53:28   And so, you know, when you're surrounded

00:53:32   by talented people like that,

00:53:33   you end up not writing articles

00:53:36   because you can't write all the articles

00:53:38   and because you've got great people

00:53:39   to write those articles anyway.

00:53:41   And so, yeah, you end up becoming removed

00:53:44   from the writing part of it.

00:53:46   And that didn't make me happy because I like writing.

00:53:50   I like editing too, and that's something

00:53:52   I'm not doing right now,

00:53:53   because I'm just writing for myself.

00:53:55   But it's nice to get back to writing

00:53:58   and to spread out a little bit in terms of the voice

00:54:02   and have it be me, because a lot of the stuff that I wrote,

00:54:05   I could seep through, but it was also Macworld saying this thing.

00:54:10   And I'm trying to establish Six Colors as being me.

00:54:14   And I've got some guest writers who've come in already.

00:54:16   Dan Frakes and Dan Warren both wrote something last week, but it's my place.

00:54:21   And I want my interests and personality to come through because when I look at

00:54:26   sites like Daring Fireball and The Loop, John Gruber and Jim Downerimple,

00:54:31   their personalities come through there.

00:54:33   and I think one of the reasons people like those sites,

00:54:35   who read those sites, is because they're reading a person

00:54:38   and including their quirks and interests,

00:54:42   rather than having it be totally flat.

00:54:44   So it's been fun, it's been fun,

00:54:46   but I totally recognize that I've got a lot more to learn

00:54:50   about how to do this.

00:54:52   - You say about the sort of the personal aspect.

00:54:57   I'm assuming that when you ever did write things

00:55:01   Macworld or TechHive that you had to conform to the style guide in a way?

00:55:07   Sure, and sometimes you internalize that. I mean, I'm sure I could have ignored it

00:55:11   and gotten away with it. Yeah. You internalize it and you think to

00:55:15   yourself, "I'm doing this under the banner of Macworld and I need to follow the..."

00:55:18   You know, sometimes I would leave out strange, weird references because I just

00:55:24   figured nobody needed to see that or they would take it out anyway. Sometimes

00:55:28   Sometimes I'd leave them in and then an editor would take them out and that's been one of

00:55:32   the pleasures of the last week is putting those references in and they just are there

00:55:37   and people can take them or leave them but I've done I've had a few of those.

00:55:43   I think I did a yeah I've done a couple of those little jokes and things and I think

00:55:48   that's fun and it adds to it but those are not necessarily things I would have done in

00:55:51   Macworld.

00:55:52   And you mentioned about your own personality coming through and the things that you write

00:55:57   about.

00:55:58   obviously people know that you are a big fan of pop culture stuff, you know, they see

00:56:03   that with your work at the incomparable. Will you be writing about these things

00:56:07   at Six Colors or are we gonna see other aspects of your

00:56:10   personality here? I want some of that to come through at Six Colors

00:56:17   but what I especially at first want to do is establish that I am

00:56:21   writing about technology and I'm writing about Apple and I will also write about

00:56:25   other stuff. In fact, the first post that I did was a--before this I launched as a

00:56:29   test--was a link post about this Smithsonian Magazine article about the

00:56:33   original Star Trek USS Enterprise model being refurbished. So I do intend for

00:56:38   some of that to be in there, but I also don't want to turn it into a link blog

00:56:43   of sci-fi links, because I want to cater to the audience that, you know,

00:56:48   cares about the tech stuff too, and maybe also cares about that, and I don't want

00:56:52   to send the wrong signal early on that this is going to be super nerdy, you know, sci-fi

00:56:59   links with the occasional Apple post because I just, I feel like that's the wrong balance,

00:57:04   but I have to find that balance. I mean, I made the decision not to turn the incomparable

00:57:08   into a pop culture and technology podcast network and do my own podcasts about technology

00:57:15   there. I, instead I talked to you and we're going to do Clockwise and this show here at

00:57:20   relay because I thought it was a different audience and a different kind

00:57:25   of thing and I kind of wanted a little separation. Six colors is different and I

00:57:29   don't know quite where it's gonna go. I'd like to write about the geekier stuff

00:57:34   there a little bit too and let my my love of that stuff show through but

00:57:38   right now I kind of feel like I'm taking it easy well and we'll see how it goes.

00:57:43   I just don't want to go overboard with it.

00:57:46   How long have your days been so far?

00:57:48   Are you working one hour, 25 hours?

00:57:52   How much like--

00:57:52   (laughing)

00:57:53   - Well, this has been a weird week

00:57:57   because of all the travel and the embargo

00:58:00   and things like that.

00:58:01   I try to do, this is what my wife and I have been talking

00:58:05   about is how do you set up a schedule

00:58:06   for something like this?

00:58:08   'Cause ultimately, we'd like to be able to plan out

00:58:11   sort of like when am I going in and starting work

00:58:15   and when am I finishing?

00:58:16   And I already had some issues with that

00:58:20   because I would come home from the office

00:58:21   and do the incomparable.

00:58:22   So I was working evenings doing the incomparable already.

00:58:27   So we're still working it out.

00:58:28   Ideally, I get up in the morning,

00:58:31   the kids are getting ready to go to school.

00:58:33   I make a pot of tea.

00:58:35   The kids are rushing out the door.

00:58:36   At some point between seven and eight,

00:58:39   I am going into the garage and starting to work.

00:58:44   And then in the evening, at some point I come back,

00:58:49   I emerge and I'm trying to find time to do that.

00:58:53   And also I will leave in the afternoon

00:58:55   to pick up my kids at school and things like that

00:58:57   if I need to.

00:58:58   So I'm still trying to explore it

00:59:00   depending on what's going on with the incomparable.

00:59:02   Sometimes there are long evenings,

00:59:06   but it's still settling down too.

00:59:09   Like I'm still making changes to the site,

00:59:10   like Facebook tags and RSS tags and accessibility CSS

00:59:15   and things like that that I just need to do

00:59:17   because I'm building the site and the site templates

00:59:19   from scratch more or less, which is fun.

00:59:21   But that's also like site maintenance

00:59:24   that I imagine will become less of an issue going forward.

00:59:27   But right now it's an issue because the site's brand new.

00:59:30   So balancing the time of like writing

00:59:32   versus posting links versus updating templates

00:59:37   versus emailing people is all in there too.

00:59:41   - What have been some of the other challenges

00:59:44   you faced this week?

00:59:45   - I don't know, I mean, we've sort of talked about it.

00:59:51   It's trying to find a balance, trying to figure out

00:59:54   what to write and what not to write.

00:59:57   What constitutes a story and what doesn't?

00:59:59   What constitutes a link and what doesn't?

01:00:01   What should I be linking to?

01:00:02   How do I do that?

01:00:04   I have a whole list of stories of things I wanna write,

01:00:06   There's a question of, are those 300 word stories?

01:00:09   Are those a thousand word stories?

01:00:11   How do I balance out the topics?

01:00:13   What are people interested in reading?

01:00:15   A big one for me, and I'm gonna write about this

01:00:18   because it's a big one for me is finding links in RSS.

01:00:22   Because doing this job on my own,

01:00:26   I need to be tied in with lots of sites

01:00:28   that have interesting things that I might wanna link to.

01:00:32   And I don't use RSS.

01:00:34   (laughs)

01:00:35   this is a problem.

01:00:36   Most of the links I get are from Twitter

01:00:38   and I actually posted a couple of links today,

01:00:40   both of which came from Twitter,

01:00:42   but I realized that I probably need to do

01:00:45   some more curation directly within RSS.

01:00:48   And I kind of declared,

01:00:50   I didn't even declare RSS bankruptcy,

01:00:52   I like foreclosed on RSS

01:00:54   and they knocked over the house

01:00:57   and there's just an empty lot there now.

01:00:59   And now I'm saying, all right,

01:01:00   maybe I actually need to put in some effort

01:01:03   to curate those sources for links

01:01:07   so that six callers can have some good interesting links

01:01:09   and it's not just literally me posting links

01:01:12   that I read on Daring Fireball

01:01:13   'cause that would be a really crappy site

01:01:16   because during, not because those links are bad

01:01:17   but because there's already a site that does that.

01:01:20   So that's something I'm grappling with

01:01:22   is trying to figure out

01:01:23   and I'm gonna write about it eventually.

01:01:24   There's the different feed providers

01:01:26   and they're the different clients

01:01:27   and I'm literally a babe in the woods.

01:01:29   You know, net news wire three was sort of my end

01:01:33   with RSS, so things are different now,

01:01:36   and I'm gonna have to figure that one out.

01:01:38   So that's something I'm grappling with,

01:01:40   is I had people who collected links for me before, sort of,

01:01:45   and that's sort of my job now,

01:01:46   and I need to figure out a strategy there.

01:01:51   - Do you wanna know something quite interesting?

01:01:52   That this is actually, I think this is actually

01:01:55   extremely ironic.

01:01:57   So I gave up on RSS about maybe six months ago,

01:02:02   I just couldn't do it anymore.

01:02:05   I didn't want to, I subscribed to way too many feeds

01:02:08   and it's getting too much.

01:02:10   Then we started doing this show

01:02:13   and sort of thinking about what my role is on this show

01:02:17   and finding the things that we talk about.

01:02:20   I thought, I can't miss any of Jason's articles.

01:02:24   I can't miss them, I have to see them because--

01:02:28   - You do.

01:02:29   This is true of everybody.

01:02:31   - But especially if you.

01:02:32   - But especially, I figure one of my key jobs

01:02:35   is to read the stuff that you post

01:02:38   because that will form a lot of what we talk about

01:02:40   on this show. - Sure.

01:02:42   - So I've started using RSS again because of you.

01:02:45   - Oh, well see, I'm right there with you.

01:02:47   I'm right there with you, it's a challenge.

01:02:49   - I've subscribed to like 15 maximum feeds.

01:02:54   I don't think it's that many.

01:02:55   And like, I'm also finding it better.

01:02:58   I'm pleased I've done it because it's helping me

01:02:59   the other shows as well so like I'm read I'm making sure that now I read

01:03:03   everything that Federico writes and everything that Steven writes because I

01:03:05   just followed their accounts on Twitter like right for their sites but I would

01:03:10   miss things or I would just scan through them but now I'm actively reading them

01:03:14   all and when I was away last week I used instapaper to send a bunch of

01:03:19   articles to my Kindle and I was reading I read Federico's fantastic iOS 8 review

01:03:25   on the Kindle. I'm quite happy with the decision.

01:03:29   All right, good, good. Well that's something I'm

01:03:33   working toward now. That's actually one of those workflow things, is I

01:03:36   need to make time to read and find ways to find interesting things

01:03:41   to read so that I know what people are

01:03:45   talking about and thinking about and that that can inform me and that's part

01:03:50   of my challenge too. Just

01:03:52   Just having building up that ways to collect that stuff.

01:03:56   - Any high points from the week?

01:03:59   Anything specific that jumps out to you as like a big check?

01:04:03   - Well, as somebody who's started a new website,

01:04:06   getting, like I said, having Nile post that article

01:04:09   on the verge after I launched six colors

01:04:12   with a prominent link in an editor's note

01:04:14   at the top of it to six colors

01:04:17   and seeing that drive traffic was great

01:04:19   because you've got to start, you know,

01:04:21   it doesn't matter if people know you,

01:04:23   a new domain with nothing on it is nobody goes there.

01:04:26   It's zero, it starts with zero traffic

01:04:28   and it is hard to build an audience for something new.

01:04:31   And so that was great.

01:04:32   And then John Gruber late in the week linked to me

01:04:36   from "Daring Fireball" and that was fantastic.

01:04:39   And again, you know, you start from zero,

01:04:42   any exposure you can get where people can say,

01:04:44   "Oh, this exists."

01:04:45   And then maybe I wanna read that is a huge deal

01:04:50   because you are, no matter who you are

01:04:52   and where you come from, that site that you launch

01:04:55   starts with zero traffic and zero page rank on Google.

01:04:58   And nobody knows the name and nobody knows anything

01:05:01   about it existing and it's in no bookmarks

01:05:04   and it's in no RSS readers.

01:05:06   So getting people to link,

01:05:09   oh, also I should mention Techmeme.

01:05:11   My notes story about the review I wrote for Macworld

01:05:17   got linked on Techmeme on the day that the site launched.

01:05:20   So the site had been up for about an hour

01:05:22   and I was on Techmeme's front page

01:05:24   with Jason Snell, six colors.

01:05:26   And I don't know if it was that Gabe Rivera

01:05:28   or somebody else at Techmeme,

01:05:29   I don't know how that happened,

01:05:30   but that was also awesome because really at this point,

01:05:33   I'm trying to find an audience and remind people

01:05:37   who might know me from somewhere else

01:05:39   that this is what I'm doing now

01:05:41   and just get in people's feed readers

01:05:43   on their bookmarks and in their Twitter feeds. So those were all huge. For the first week,

01:05:49   I'd say those were the high points is people with great audiences linking to me and saying

01:05:55   this thing exists now. Were you worried? Like, you know, and I don't mean this in like a jokey way,

01:06:05   but you are still Jason Snow.

01:06:08   Yes, as ever.

01:06:11   You know, and like so that does, it does help, right?

01:06:15   Been that way for a while now, like 43 years or so, yeah.

01:06:18   Well, did you have concern? You know, did you think...

01:06:24   I love the past tense of this, I have concern, I have ongoing concern.

01:06:28   Okay, that people wouldn't find you or that

01:06:31   the site wouldn't go, you know, it's...

01:06:36   I've seen it, I've seen this happen before where, you know,

01:06:39   just because, uh, it's just, it's easy to lose track of people and, and starting

01:06:44   websites, having started some websites for IDG, starting websites is hard.

01:06:49   People don't know they exist. I still have people, there was a guy on

01:06:52   Twitter yesterday who, who said, "I didn't realize that you were doing all these

01:06:57   other, other podcasts at The Incomparable. I

01:06:59   thought you were just doing the incomparable. It's like, I don't know how many different ways I could

01:07:03   have communicated that, and yet he just completely missed it until yesterday. And so, you know,

01:07:09   you can lay your plans and publicize and all of those things, but the fact is, any transition,

01:07:16   you're going to lose people and potentially a lot of people. So you've got to try to be as diligent

01:07:22   as possible to communicate that. And, you know, honestly, it would have been much easier on me

01:07:29   if I could have gone to XOXO after the layoff and not worked on an iPhone

01:07:38   review there and then come home afterward not having worked on an iPhone

01:07:42   review or launched a website and taken some time to deal with some of my

01:07:46   burnout of my couple years at IDG that have been the rougher years and to spend

01:07:52   some more time with my family and to read some books and to just decompress a

01:07:56   little bit and I didn't do that and in fact I was home from XOXO for a good two

01:08:01   hours and I'd launched a brand new website and why did I do that? I did that

01:08:05   because of the timing because the iPhone release, the fact I had the iPhones in

01:08:09   advance, we were doing our podcast, all of these things lined up. It was an

01:08:13   opportunity for me to expose the new stuff I was doing to an audience that

01:08:19   was going to be paying attention at that moment and if I let that moment go I

01:08:24   I might never get that audience again.

01:08:28   And so I had to do it.

01:08:29   So I did it and it might not be what I would have chosen,

01:08:34   but given the cards I was dealt,

01:08:36   I think it was the thing I needed to do

01:08:38   because you risk just being lost in the shuffle.

01:08:41   There are a lot of voices out there

01:08:43   and momentum and inertia is a powerful force.

01:08:48   It's just like, I've been reading these sites,

01:08:50   I'll continue to read these sites.

01:08:51   And so to make some noise and I've been very happy,

01:08:53   people said very nice things and people have linked to me and that's actually been amazing.

01:08:57   I'm really grateful that people have been so nice.

01:09:01   But I felt like I needed to take those steps and not just take a break and not do anything

01:09:06   for a few weeks because the timing was too good and I, you know, I risked giving away

01:09:12   that audience and maybe never finding it again.

01:09:16   What's it been like working without an editor?

01:09:19   I'm assuming that you, well you mentioned it actually, that you worked with editors

01:09:22   when you wrote pieces at Macworld. I'm assuming you don't have an editor now, it's just you?

01:09:28   It's just me. Well, we all have an editor, it's the internet, and many of us have Chris

01:09:33   Pepper as an editor. If you don't know Chris Pepper, he's a guy, I've had pizza with him

01:09:38   in New York, he is an obsessive reader of tech stuff, he saves it all to Instapaper

01:09:42   and reads it, and then he finds mistakes and emails them to you, which we refer to as getting

01:09:47   peppered.

01:09:48   Who's me?

01:09:49   - Who's me?

01:09:50   - And I was, oh, everybody who works at Macworld,

01:09:53   everybody who works at Tidbits, Chris gets around,

01:09:56   but I got peppered on my first day at Six Colors,

01:10:00   and that was, I was honored to be peppered.

01:10:03   And I do read, you know, I spell check everything,

01:10:05   and I read everything in preview, and then you post it,

01:10:09   and then there are things that are wrong,

01:10:10   and you have to change them.

01:10:11   And that's different, 'cause I did like running,

01:10:17   doing a sanity check on articles at Macworld

01:10:19   where it was literally like, here's a preview URL,

01:10:22   can you give this a read before I push it live?

01:10:23   And I don't have that now.

01:10:25   So I'm trying to spend a little more time with it,

01:10:27   but they're gonna be errors because I'm just a guy.

01:10:29   I always send IMs to Gruber when he posts things

01:10:32   where there's a, if I see a mistake

01:10:34   or he's got a bad markdown link or something,

01:10:36   I'll just send him an IM saying,

01:10:38   I noticed this and he fixes it and says, thanks.

01:10:41   And it doesn't happen that often, but it happens.

01:10:43   It happens to all of us.

01:10:43   So it's different and I'm trying to pay,

01:10:48   I'm adding cycles to it.

01:10:49   It used to be, I just paste it in and say,

01:10:51   hey, somebody look at this.

01:10:52   And now I paste it in and then I read it in the editor

01:10:56   and then I preview it and I read it in the web browser

01:10:59   and then I post it.

01:11:00   And then there's an amazing thing that happens,

01:11:02   which is as soon as the story is live,

01:11:04   even though you were previewing it in the template

01:11:07   all along, as soon as it's live,

01:11:08   then you see all the mistakes, as soon as it's live.

01:11:11   So that's been different.

01:11:13   But it's fine, it's fine.

01:11:14   I've been pretty comfortable writing stuff.

01:11:18   I don't feel like my stuff needs a major overhaul

01:11:21   or anything and I think people are seeing on six colors

01:11:23   that this is what I sound like.

01:11:26   And I've sounded like this for a while now.

01:11:28   I just, I'm a pretty good speller, so.

01:11:31   But there will be mistakes and that's gonna be weird.

01:11:35   - Do you know if Chris Pepper is @repep on Twitter?

01:11:38   - That's him.

01:11:40   - Found him.

01:11:40   - Repep or backward on Twitter.

01:11:42   - Oh, yeah, of course it is.

01:11:44   - Yeah, Repep.

01:11:45   And that's, yes, he is the internet's copy editor.

01:11:49   (laughing)

01:11:52   - How's the reception been, like in general?

01:11:57   I'm assuming you've received lots of emails and stuff.

01:12:00   - People have been very kind, I've received lots of emails.

01:12:02   I got a lot of emails when I left Macworld,

01:12:04   and then I got another batch with six colors

01:12:06   where people said, "I'm glad you're doing this."

01:12:07   So yeah, I felt bad about Macworld,

01:12:09   I like reading your stuff, I'm looking forward to it.

01:12:11   And it's all very kind and I hope I can live up

01:12:13   to their expectations for me.

01:12:15   But it's all been very nice.

01:12:16   I have not yet had my first negative interaction

01:12:21   where somebody says something absolutely awful

01:12:23   about something I've written or calls me a name

01:12:26   or says something about, I had that for my temporary site,

01:12:30   for the Snell world, just my announcement,

01:12:32   that somebody was a jerk about that site.

01:12:35   But it's coming and then I'll know I've truly,

01:12:38   well and truly made it when somebody's a jerk about something that I've written.

01:12:43   But it hasn't happened yet. People have been very nice.

01:12:45   Ironically, it was a guy who said, "Well, no wonder Macworld went out of business when

01:12:50   Jason Snell's personal site isn't responsive and doesn't load properly on an iPhone."

01:12:55   I saw that.

01:12:56   And that was great because, one, oh, if I had any control over what the Macworld website

01:13:01   looked like or any influence over it whatsoever when there was a large technical organization

01:13:07   running it and I yeah not not not my not my part of the business all I could do

01:13:13   was try to encourage them but I was very limited and then the real irony is that

01:13:18   the reason that snow world calm wasn't responsive is because I was busy

01:13:21   building all the six color stuff to be responsive and I didn't backport it to

01:13:26   snow world because I was busy building my new thing and hadn't thought about

01:13:29   the fact that I needed to move the CSS back because it's on the same templates

01:13:33   basically and so then that guy was a jerk and I told him he was a jerk and

01:13:36   then I made it responsive. So yeah, thanks jerk. In his face, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, but the

01:13:44   connection was just being... that was why he was a jerk. It's not that he was wrong

01:13:47   that the site should have been better on the iPhone. He was wrong because

01:13:52   he was making lots of connections that are not accurate to make a jerky point

01:13:57   and be insulting. So you know that's why he was a jerk. But he was right that

01:14:01   the site should have been responsive and like five minutes later it was. You bought

01:14:07   the correct URL this week. So yes, six colors is spelled out and and somebody

01:14:15   was asking in the chat room if I if I looked at the numeral six colors and I

01:14:19   did it I think it cost like 1,500 bucks so I haven't bought it but I did buy six

01:14:25   colors with color spelled with a U dot com. I didn't buy sixcolors.co.uk or anything like

01:14:32   that but I did buy S-I-X-C-O-L-O-U-R-S dot com and it redirects to the correct spelling

01:14:38   without the U. I have hopes in the future of creating a site that dynamically loads

01:14:44   the existing Six Colors site and replaces all of the words with Britishisms and I'll

01:14:50   let you know if that happens.

01:14:51   I can't even...

01:14:55   I'm sure that... There may be flags and pictures of the queen and things put in

01:14:59   there too at that point.

01:15:00   Right now it just redirects to the regular six color site.

01:15:04   I did it for you, Myke.

01:15:05   Thank you.

01:15:06   You know, I was thinking about just buying you the domain.

01:15:11   Starting like a kick star or something and getting you the domain.

01:15:14   So thank you so much

01:15:16   for...

01:15:18   basically because

01:15:20   I feel like it was done for me because I kept typing the URL incorrectly.

01:15:24   That was a big thing.

01:15:27   I guess I'm going to say it was good for you too.

01:15:30   Because it means that people that are in--

01:15:33   People bookmark things.

01:15:36   I don't think people type out URLs very often,

01:15:38   but that seemed like a natural.

01:15:40   And if I could buy the numeral six domains cheaply,

01:15:43   I would probably do that too.

01:15:45   But last time I checked, I think they were really pricey,

01:15:47   and I didn't think it was worth the money.

01:15:49   sixcolors.com wasn't that expensive with the U.

01:15:51   And so, so yeah, there it is.

01:15:54   Rule Britannia, USA, USA.

01:15:57   We are all, we're all coming together.

01:15:58   - And you're really gunning for me now

01:16:00   with this podcast stuff.

01:16:02   You have another one.

01:16:05   - There are lots of podcasts out there

01:16:07   and I'm not the only person who is on lots of podcasts.

01:16:09   I'm somebody who's on lots of podcasts,

01:16:12   but so were you and there are others, but yeah,

01:16:15   I, one of the things I wanted to do

01:16:17   when I made this decision to leave was do some dust some things off that were

01:16:22   podcasts that I wanted to do and didn't have the time and so one of those was to

01:16:26   do a tech podcast and that's this one and one of those was I know that the guy

01:16:31   who's the chief TV critic at The Hollywood Reporter and he's really good

01:16:34   on podcasts but he's not technically adept enough to do the produce the

01:16:39   podcast himself he needs somebody to help him with that and that's Tim Goodman

01:16:42   and so we're now doing a TV podcast together we're like every Friday we're

01:16:46   going to do a recording session and I'll edit it and post it and sort of like what you're

01:16:50   doing with me. And that was on my list and it's really his show that I'm sort of the

01:16:56   conductor of, sort of like how we work on this show. But I wanted to get his voice out

01:17:01   there and now I've got the time to do that that I didn't really have when I was working

01:17:07   during the day in San Francisco because his time was limited and my time was limited and

01:17:12   we couldn't find common times. So yeah, I'm doing, you know, I'm still doing stuff on

01:17:17   the incomparable and then I'm doing the two podcasts on Relay.

01:17:22   That's about the end of my interview. What do you like to be known for?

01:17:28   No, ask me later. Ask me later. It's too early. You already asked me that once this year.

01:17:34   You don't get to ask me again for a while. It's pretty different for you now though.

01:17:38   Yeah. Yeah. What do I like to be known for? I don't know. Am I known for anything? Known

01:17:42   for writing things and podcasting that people like, hopefully. Known for the world domination

01:17:48   of all podcasts. I swear I'm not going to be on every podcast ever. This was a very

01:17:52   weird week. I've had people say, "You're on every podcast right now." Yes, but in the

01:17:57   end I will only be on the podcast that I'm on and not like every other podcast.

01:18:01   That goes in cycles for people though. Like when Overcast came out, Marco was on every

01:18:07   podcast you know people have specific news right and that brings them to

01:18:12   podcasts and it also makes people more inclined to want to be on them well and

01:18:18   I want I do want people to also think of me and visit my site so I'm doing a

01:18:22   little bit it's a little bit like a book tour in that way I am talking to Leo

01:18:27   Laporte about being on his shows a little more often because I have the

01:18:31   time now and it's a half an hour drive there at Twit Studios or half an hour

01:18:35   for my house. So I'm hopefully going to be on Twit and MacBreak Weekly a little more often.

01:18:41   But yeah, this is what I'm doing is, some people were like, "Oh, so now you're going to just do

01:18:49   podcasts," or, "So now you're just going to do writing." And neither of those is accurate. My

01:18:54   goal right now, and again, this may change, my goal is to do tech writing and tech podcasting

01:19:02   and pop culture podcasting as all of those things,

01:19:06   as those are the things I do.

01:19:07   And from that, hopefully fashion some sort of a career

01:19:11   that allows me to pay my mortgage payment

01:19:13   and feed my kids and stuff like that.

01:19:15   And we'll see how it goes.

01:19:17   - There was a very brief moment there

01:19:20   where I thought you were saying

01:19:21   you wanted to do fashion writing?

01:19:22   - No.

01:19:25   - He was like, and fashion.

01:19:26   - And fashion. - A career.

01:19:27   - A career, yes. - I was like, oh, okay.

01:19:29   - And fashion. - We're going down

01:19:30   that route now.

01:19:31   going to do fashion writing, I'm going to do fashion designing, and you can just stay

01:19:34   tuned for my fall collection. I'll give you a hint though, how many colors do you think

01:19:40   will be in the collection?

01:19:42   Seven.

01:19:43   Yes, infrared is one of the colors. Anyway, yeah, so that's my ideas, you know, podcasts,

01:19:51   videos, writing, see what, this is the 21st century, you know, media is a different world

01:19:56   now and if I can find a way to make this all work, you know, we've talked about it before,

01:20:00   You know, your goal is to do this as your job.

01:20:04   And that's sort of been my goal, and I'm already at the point where I don't have that other

01:20:08   job, and that was sort of not my...

01:20:09   It was my direction, but ultimately the date and day of it were not my decision, but I

01:20:16   welcome it.

01:20:17   And so I'm on that side now of trying to make it work, and we'll see what happens.

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