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0:00:02Hello and welcome to Connected episode 427.
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0:00:19But first everyone, please stand
0:00:22for the entrance of Myke Hurley.
0:00:23Welcome back.
0:00:24- Don't even, don't even try and like suck up to me now.
0:00:28That didn't do anything wrong.
0:00:30Hang on a second. Federico's here too. Hi Federico.
0:00:33Hello. Hi. Welcome back.
0:00:34I have never felt such a betrayal in my life.
0:00:37Oh come on.
0:00:38Than what you two have done to me.
0:00:39Surely you must have been betrayed before.
0:00:42No. Not like this.
0:00:44Nah, come on.
0:00:45Not like this. I thought we had an agreement.
0:00:48I thought that we had a pact.
0:00:50The whole time everyone's going "Yeah Myke,
0:00:52the passionate ones were not passionate enough for that amazing t-shirt that we made years ago,
0:00:57So we're gonna make them pay for this by never bringing it back
0:01:01And I turn my back for just a moment a mere moment and then t-shirts back. This is a travesty
0:01:08Unbelievable. Not only is it back but we've sold more this time than the previous time
0:01:12Yeah, but you see this is the thing. So as we're recording right now, we sold
0:01:16196
0:01:18Therefore proving the point of last time. Yes, not a lot of things are not passionate enough for this t-shirt
0:01:23That's the point. That was the whole reason. The reason we were never gonna bring it back is because it was an amazing
0:01:29T-shirt idea the first time and people didn't buy enough of them. So they're like fine. You've spoken with your wallets
0:01:36Now you're never gonna get it and people are like gimme it
0:01:38It's like well, you should have bought it the first time and now you brought it back
0:01:41You know you decided that you two of you, although I'm most Federica
0:01:46I want you to know I'm mostly Blaine Steven for this because I know this is I know you said it
0:01:50but I know that this was his idea.
0:01:52This is like, this has got Steven written all over it, this one.
0:01:55Thank you.
0:01:55Especially the subterfuge of changing the account, right?
0:02:00Like you went in and like...
0:02:01Subterfuge. Subterfuge is such a good word.
0:02:04But he left it in one password, so I was able to go in and look at things.
0:02:07I could have deleted, you know what, I should have removed it from sale.
0:02:10Now that would have been interesting.
0:02:12But you see, I wouldn't do something like that to you, you know,
0:02:15even after I'm betrayed.
0:02:16But I just think the point is proven again.
0:02:18They did, the passionate ones have not bought enough
0:02:21of this t-shirt.
0:02:21It's a great t-shirt, but they don't deserve it.
0:02:23- Well, maybe third time's the charm.
0:02:26- When are you gonna do that?
0:02:27- I don't know, when are you going on vacation again?
0:02:30You have until today, December 7th at 8 p.m. Eastern
0:02:37to order one.
0:02:37Please do it for Myke.
0:02:39- And I will say this portrayal is even occurring
0:02:41in my own home.
0:02:42My wife bought this t-shirt last night.
0:02:45Which is just like, this is absolute betrayal.
0:02:48Like I can't move for betrayal now. Everyone's portraying me.
0:02:51Yeah, you're like Caesar.
0:02:54Yeah.
0:02:54When he was murdered and stabbed multiple times.
0:02:57I also just want to clear up something because the way you've been talking about it
0:03:02is that for some reason it's said that I hated this shirt.
0:03:05This shirt was my idea. I commissioned this artwork. I paid for it, this artwork.
0:03:09So I love this t-shirt. I own two of them.
0:03:11The problem is the passionate ones didn't love it enough, so they don't deserve it.
0:03:15And I still think they don't deserve it.
0:03:16I understand how you feel, but you also need to understand that this betrayal made for excellent content.
0:03:23Oh, I know, but I'm still betrayed.
0:03:27Sometimes you gotta, you know, ignore one of your co-host's feelings to make entertainment.
0:03:33And this is one of those instances.
0:03:35I'm sorry you feel betrayed, Myke.
0:03:37[
0:03:52stuff to talk about today. Oh well, some of it just got knocked off. So maybe some work
0:03:58that the two of you done doesn't get used now, right? Wow. Because now we're doing a
0:04:02quiz. We're doing round four of the passionate ones. Do you remember this? Which one is it?
0:04:07This was where I, how well do you know the passionate ones? Where I put out a quiz, like
0:04:13a survey of the connected listeners. Hopefully just the ones that would not betray me, you
0:04:19know, like these 200 people that bought this t-shirt, I hope that they're not in this
0:04:22quip. Oh, it's the one where there's always the two people using a performer in the audience.
0:04:28Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So I put out a survey to connected listenership and asked
0:04:35them a selection of questions and got some results of those questions. I've tabulated
0:04:39the highest answers. So I will be asking the two of you, these four questions we have today,
0:04:46I will be asking the two of you these, wait, is there four or is there five?
0:04:49You're gonna need, I need to open, I've got a lot of tabs.
0:04:53This is where I do, this is the one where Myke deals with a lot of tabs.
0:04:56So I asked him a selection of questions.
0:04:58You will be giving your answers.
0:04:59You will be trying to predict or answer the things that you expect the passionate ones
0:05:05to have answered the most.
0:05:08Is that, does that make sense what I've just said?
0:05:11So like, I can give you an example, so from previous ones, so we asked people what their
0:05:18favorite podcast app was.
0:05:21And the top answer was Overcast, so that got Federico 50 points, second answer Pocket Casts.
0:05:27So you are trying to guess what you think the connected listenership would have answered
0:05:32to these questions.
0:05:33And there are five.
0:05:35Five questions, okay.
0:05:36There are five.
0:05:37Five questions in total.
0:05:39time though, there was last time you got 50 points per answer. This time gonna do 500
0:05:48points per answer because the point scoring has gotten a little out of hand since the
0:05:53last time we did this. And whose fault is that? And I don't know. Yours. No, it's not
0:06:02mine. It's his. It's yours, yes. But it's gone a little out of hand so now I kind of
0:06:08have had to scale appropriately. I will state just for the record because I am
0:06:13unhappy with the inflation of points. During our episode we have coming up
0:06:19shortly which is our year in review episode I'm gonna reset the clock. So on
0:06:25the year in review episode the season one champion of the quizzes will be
0:06:30crowned and then we will reset the points to go into the next year.
0:06:35Oh, so it's becoming a seasonal thing. Okay. It's becoming a seasonal thing because at
0:06:40the moment the point saw Stephen has 7,073 points and Federico has 5,201 points. So those
0:06:50points numbers are too high, I think. So I want to correct that a little bit. So. And
0:06:56how many questions are there today? There are five questions today. So Federico could
0:07:01take the title or could take the lead after today. Yeah, it's coming home baby. I'm doing
0:07:07it. Well, yeah, because the amount the amount of points that are available are actually
0:07:14pretty high because I've said something slightly incorrect. It's 500 points for the top answer,
0:07:20400 points for the second answer, 300, 200, 100. So there are an awful lot of points available
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0:09:29Now I would say that it's possible Federico would have a good shot here because these
0:09:36questions, these five questions, they're all app-based questions.
0:09:42However previously with some of the app-based questions Federico didn't do so well so
0:09:47So we're going to find out what's going to happen here.
0:09:50Yeah, but I learned a few lessons.
0:09:52OK.
0:09:53So Federico, you're going to get the first answer today.
0:09:56OK.
0:09:57Because you're currently trailing behind in the scoring.
0:10:01Our first round is, I asked the passionate ones, what to-do app do you use?
0:10:06What to-do app do you use?
0:10:08What to-do app do you think?
0:10:09What to-do app do you use is the question I asked them.
0:10:13What do you think people answered?
0:10:15There's a few options obviously on the table.
0:10:18I will tell you, I think I was given 48 different to-do apps.
0:10:26Wow.
0:10:27What I will say is actually 48 different answers.
0:10:31I will say one person answered YouTube music, which was...
0:10:36Interesting.
0:10:38Maybe that person works on YouTube music.
0:10:41I mean, I guess so, right?
0:10:43In the app it's like, well, let me see all the bugs in this product.
0:10:46I feel like if you out there answered this question, I need to help you.
0:10:50So contact me, because it's not good.
0:10:52I'm going to say that the passionate ones said they use reminders.
0:10:58Federico, that is our top answer.
0:11:00500 points go in your pocket.
0:11:02Let's go.
0:11:03Let's go.
0:11:04OK.
0:11:05Steven, we now move to you.
0:11:07I'm going to say Todoist.
0:11:09Todoist.
0:11:11Where do you think Todoist ranks, Stephen? Do you think it's the second highest answer?
0:11:15I think it's second or third.
0:11:16You are correct that it is third. The third highest answer for 300 points
0:11:22is Todoist for Stephen Aachen. We'll go back to you Federico.
0:11:26I will go with I will say Things by Cultured Code.
0:11:31That's good.
0:11:32Now I guess it is expected that the passionate ones, they like
0:11:36high quality opinionated software.
0:11:38Yeah.
0:11:39We'll also assume that the passionate ones do not believe in weekly repeating tasks.
0:11:44The second highest answer was things those 400 points go to Federico.
0:11:50Go back to you, Steven.
0:11:52I think we're coming up on three years of them telling me they were going to fix that.
0:11:56So it's going well over there.
0:11:58Any day now.
0:11:58Any day now.
0:11:59Any day now.
0:12:00Any day.
0:12:01I want to counter with remember the milk, but I need to be honest with myself.
0:12:05And it's probably number six.
0:12:06So you got to think about this.
0:12:08We got to think about this for a second, right? Now I'm not going to steer you one way or another,
0:12:12right? But now would the passionate ones answer that because they know you're involved?
0:12:18Who could tell?
0:12:20I'll put a pin in that and I'm gonna say OmniFocus.
0:12:23OmniFocus is the fifth highest answer. 100 points.
0:12:28What's the fourth one?
0:12:31It's up to you to decide.
0:12:32Yeah, this is exactly what I want you to tell me.
0:12:36- It's not reminders, things to do is,
0:12:41OmniFocus is the fifth one.
0:12:44Interesting.
0:12:46I'm thinking about a few options.
0:12:50I will say, interesting, I will say Fantastical.
0:12:54- Five people answered Fantastical.
0:12:58That is not enough to be our fourth highest answer.
0:13:01- So we've talked, we've mentioned reminders,
0:13:03Todoist, OmniFocus and things.
0:13:06- Correct.
0:13:07- I'm gonna say good tasks.
0:13:10- Oh, that's a good one.
0:13:12- It's a good task.
0:13:1313 people said they used good task.
0:13:17That is not enough to make it to the fourth.
0:13:20Now I'm gonna give you both one more guess,
0:13:23but I'm going-- - Just one?
0:13:25- Yes.
0:13:26I'm gonna suggest to you cast your mind back.
0:13:28That's my, that's what I'm gonna say to you.
0:13:31- Cast your mind back?
0:13:33Cast your mind back. I will say nothing more than that.
0:13:37So it's something that's been available for a while.
0:13:41If that's the way that you interpret what I said.
0:13:45Or that we talked about before.
0:13:47Again, if that's the way that you interpret.
0:13:50I will just, I'll also say, so OmniFocus, 77 people answered OmniFocus.
0:13:55Answer four is 80. 80 people answered with this.
0:14:00Cast your mind back.
0:14:01Cast your mind back.
0:14:03- Um, I have a few ideas, but none of them sort of relate
0:14:08to this tip that you just gave us.
0:14:11What is it?
0:14:13There be an OmniFocus and, huh, I don't wanna say that one.
0:14:18- Gonna press you for an answer Federico.
0:14:22- Yeah, I will go with TicTic.
0:14:27- Ooh, that's good.
0:14:28- 26 people answered TicTic.
0:14:31That is not enough.
0:14:32Stephen, what is your final answer
0:14:33and the final answer of this round?
0:14:35- I'm gonna say none.
0:14:38- You are correct, Stephen.
0:14:39With 200 points was none. - Oh my God.
0:14:43- When you said think back,
0:14:44I remember that that has been an answer before
0:14:47and has tripped us up, so.
0:14:48- Yep, that was my, that was the clue I was giving.
0:14:51- How can you go with no to do?
0:14:54Okay, anyway.
0:14:55- I don't know, man.
0:14:56And Stephen, I will tell you not one person
0:14:59answered remember the milk.
0:15:00Holy cow.
0:15:01Not one.
0:15:03Not one.
0:15:04Not one person.
0:15:05That's...
0:15:06Eight people answered with two...
0:15:07Number two dude.
0:15:08You remember that one?
0:15:09Yeah, Federico wrote a book about it.
0:15:11Did you?
0:15:12Did you write a book?
0:15:13Well, no, it was a long review that we also published as an e-book.
0:15:18Five people answered Obsidian.
0:15:21One person said Nozbe.
0:15:22I don't know what that is.
0:15:23No, yeah, it's been around for ages.
0:15:26Yeah.
0:15:26I would never heard that before.
0:15:28One person, Google Docs.
0:15:30That's Austin Evans.
0:15:32I mean...
0:15:34Could be actually.
0:15:35Yeah, I think he's like a single Google doc for everything in his life.
0:15:38He did for a while.
0:15:39So Federico in that round you scored 900 points.
0:15:42Steven, you scored 600 points.
0:15:45Okay, okay.
0:15:47So we go back around.
0:15:48Yes please.
0:15:50Steven will now be answering first because he scored the least amount of points in that
0:15:54round.
0:15:55What email app do you use?
0:15:59- Mail.app.
0:16:01- I just want to know, I just want to state for the record,
0:16:04I find it frustrating when people say it like that,
0:16:07and like lots of people wrote it in that way.
0:16:09- Why do too, but if you just say mail,
0:16:10'cause Apple's names are too generic.
0:16:12- Yeah, but mail I understood, but what I preferred
0:16:14was the people that wrote Apple Mail,
0:16:17which was the 500 point top answer for Stephen Hackett.
0:16:22Mail.app, don't say that.
0:16:24You know what I mean?
0:16:25Just don't.
0:16:26It's fine, it has a brand.
0:16:27You can call it mail, you can call it Apple Mail.
0:16:30Federico, what do you think people answered?
0:16:32What do you think the second highest answer is
0:16:34for what email out to you use?
0:16:36- Spark.
0:16:37- 400 points goes to Federico.
0:16:39- I'm gonna say MimeStream.
0:16:41- MimeStream.
0:16:4341 people answered MimeStream.
0:16:46MimeStream is our fifth highest answer.
0:16:49- Ooh, snuck it in there.
0:16:50- 100 points.
0:16:51- That's impressive because it's only on the Mac.
0:16:55There were 28 different email apps.
0:17:00- I can't even think of 28.
0:17:02How are there 28 email apps?
0:17:04- Well, there are a couple of Thunderbird users in there.
0:17:08- Oh no.
0:17:09How? Why?
0:17:12- Oh no man, I don't know how they're doing it.
0:17:16- Okay, okay.
0:17:17Gmail.
0:17:19- Gmail.
0:17:20- That's good.
0:17:21service Gmail is our third highest answer 300 points going Federico's pocket.
0:17:30So once again the fourth slot is what's left.
0:17:33Correct. 200 points available.
0:17:36I'm gonna say airmail.
0:17:37Nah man.
0:17:39Seven people answered airmail.
0:17:41Ooh.
0:17:42That is not enough.
0:17:45I'm gonna say Outlook.
0:17:47Outlook by Microsoft Corporation.
0:17:51200 points go to Federico.
0:17:53That was the fourth highest answer.
0:17:56Dang it!
0:17:56I just want to answer a question from the Discord.
0:17:59Zach in the Discord in regards to the To Do app asked,
0:18:02"Did anyone say Emacs Org Mode?"
0:18:05Yes, two people did.
0:18:07It's great and...
0:18:09I rolled my eyes at them.
0:18:11We have one person for their email app said Chuck.
0:18:14I don't know what that is.
0:18:15Chuck?
0:18:16I don't know what Chuck is.
0:18:17One person said...
0:18:18Like their assistant?
0:18:19(laughing)
0:18:21- Canine mail, Chuck email, is that one?
0:18:25- Yeah, take control of your inbox.
0:18:27- Oh.
0:18:28- Delete, archive and sort batches of emails
0:18:30in just one tap.
0:18:32- Is the name Chuck of this service?
0:18:34- Chuck.
0:18:34- Chuck.email.
0:18:36- Chuck.email.
0:18:37- Oh, this looks bananas.
0:18:39- This looks interesting.
0:18:41- Is this a real product, hold on.
0:18:43- Yeah, chuck.email.
0:18:44- Chuck.email.
0:18:46- I've tried many other email apps,
0:18:47but none have come close to Chuck.
0:18:49- Wait, why does this look nice?
0:18:52- It has a little beaver as a icon.
0:18:56- Wait a sec.
0:18:57- How much email could a ch-email Chuck chuck
0:19:00if an email Chuck could chuck email?
0:19:02You know what I mean?
0:19:03- Nailed it.
0:19:04- I know what you mean.
0:19:05- I like the way this looks.
0:19:05- You should try it.
0:19:06- Wait, this doesn't look bad.
0:19:08- I look forward to the Federico Fatici book on Chuck
0:19:12coming soon to Mac stories.
0:19:14- Chuck, the Mac stories review.
0:19:16[Laughter]
0:19:20Wait, I can get Chuck Pro.
0:19:23Uh-huh.
0:19:24I'm putting a link to this in the show notes. It's too good.
0:19:27So in the end of that round, Steven took away 600 points.
0:19:32Federico took 900 points.
0:19:35Again!
0:19:36Mm-hmm.
0:19:37Good job, Federico.
0:19:38Thank you, thank you.
0:19:39But that does mean that Steven gets to go first again.
0:19:41No, wait.
0:19:42Oh, yeah, okay, yes.
0:19:44He got fewer right answers.
0:19:47This next question is, "How do you get your news?"
0:19:51Ooh.
0:19:52Nice.
0:19:53Okay.
0:19:54Just to give you an idea, we got 64 responses to this.
0:20:01And when was this question asked again?
0:20:03It was months ago, right?
0:20:04A long time ago.
0:20:05Yeah, it was months ago.
0:20:07I don't remember.
0:20:08This is so open-ended.
0:20:09Wow.
0:20:10Okay.
0:20:11Where do you get your news?
0:20:12I'm gonna say Twitter.
0:20:13500 points.
0:20:17Boom.
0:20:18Steven Hackett, that is our top answer.
0:20:20That's why I asked how recent this was.
0:20:21Yeah, yeah, yeah.
0:20:23I'm gonna say...
0:20:24How do you get your news?
0:20:27I'm gonna say RSS.
0:20:28Oh, that's a broad one.
0:20:30But you're right to go broad because that is our second highest answer.
0:20:34400 points, Ferrucovatici.
0:20:36Uh, I'm gonna say Apple News.
0:20:38If you like your news with a bunch of crappy ads in it, Apple News.
0:20:41Yeah, I mean if you think about it, you know, we had Reminders was top, we had Mail was top.
0:20:50Apple News not top, but third, 300 points go to Stephen Hackett.
0:20:54Alright. I'm gonna say web browser.
0:20:57Web browser.
0:20:59People must be going to the New York Times website or the CNN website or whatever.
0:21:03People gave some specific answers of outlets that they went to,
0:21:07But 72 people said browser.
0:21:12Interesting.
0:21:12Is that enough?
0:21:13Yes, 100 points goes to Federico Vittucci.
0:21:16Okay.
0:21:17So that's fifth.
0:21:17So we are once again with the fourth highest answer as the last one on the board.
0:21:22That's wild to me that that keeps happening.
0:21:24Yeah.
0:21:25So we've said Twitter.
0:21:27Twitter, RSS, Apple News and browser.
0:21:31Twitter, RSS, Apple News and browser is fifth and the fourth one is missing.
0:21:36And it's Steven Stern.
0:21:38It's Steven Stern.
0:21:39I'm gonna say I don't keep up with the news.
0:21:42There were 47 people who said some variation of avoiding news.
0:21:49That is not enough for our fourth highest answer.
0:21:52Fake news.
0:21:53Nobody said that.
0:21:55I'm gonna say... I'm gonna say... I'm gonna turn between two.
0:22:00I'm gonna say podcasts.
0:22:02- 42 people said podcasts.
0:22:06Some people said some specific ones
0:22:08and I did keep those if there were enough of them,
0:22:11but that is not enough for the fourth highest answer.
0:22:13Can I give you one more guess each?
0:22:17- Okay.
0:22:18- Reddit.
0:22:19- Good one.
0:22:20- The fourth highest answer, is it Reddit?
0:22:22Yes it is, 200 points.
0:22:24Going Steven Hackett's pocket.
0:22:26You got all the answers there, which is good.
0:22:28- That's good.
0:22:29- So let me see if there's anything interesting in here
0:22:31Was TV on the list?
0:22:33Yeah, eight people.
0:22:35Okay.
0:22:36One person still goes to Yahoo.
0:22:38Which is good.
0:22:40There were a lot of like
0:22:42Danish news outlet, Australian news outlet, you know that kind of thing.
0:22:46BBC.
0:22:47Sure.
0:22:48There wasn't nothing very fun in there.
0:22:50Yeah, so in that round
0:22:52Steven scored 1000 points.
0:22:56Federico scored 500 points.
0:22:59So Federico, you get to pick first in a round which you're going to feel very conflicted by, I'm sure.
0:23:07What music service do you use?
0:23:10Oh god.
0:23:11There were 18 different answers.
0:23:15Again, how?
0:23:16What was that Federico?
0:23:19Apple Music.
0:23:21So you're applying the logic from earlier, right?
0:23:24You're thinking like, but you remember Apple News, that wasn't high enough.
0:23:28that was third on the list so you're hoping Apple music is our highest
0:23:34answer Federico you will enjoy a cool 500 points in your pocket because yes
0:23:39indeed was the highest answer in this round okay okay well it's got to be Spotify it's
0:23:48got to be next has it I think it is you know Spotify and Apple they're typically
0:23:54at war. Does that influence the connected listenership?
0:23:59It's next.
0:24:00400 points goes to Stephen Packet. I just want to tell you though, I was genuinely surprised
0:24:05by this.
0:24:06I mean, it's the biggest one in the world.
0:24:09No, no, no. What I'm about to say, which is 707 people answered Apple Music, 266 answered
0:24:16Spotify. That is a huge gap I would not have expected to be so large.
0:24:23Well, it's an Apple show, you know, that makes sense, I guess.
0:24:26So the next three answers, they are in double or single digits of responses.
0:24:32So we have Apple Music and Spotify.
0:24:34Yeah.
0:24:35YouTube.
0:24:36YouTube Music is at 36 responses, the third answer that is 300 points for Federico.
0:24:42I'm gonna say I don't stream music.
0:24:46Good one.
0:24:47Can I ask what you mean by that?
0:24:49I don't pay for a streaming service.
0:24:52Like they have their own personal library of music.
0:24:56Yeah.
0:24:57Are you saying?
0:24:58Right?
0:24:59Well, what are you saying?
0:25:00I need you to tell me what you mean by "I don't stream music."
0:25:05I'm not a customer of music streaming service.
0:25:07Or I own my music or something like that.
0:25:10Well, I need you to choose.
0:25:13I need you to choose.
0:25:14I do not pay for streaming music.
0:25:17That is 100 points to Stephen Hackett.
0:25:19So we have Apple Music Spotify YouTube.
0:25:23The fourth highest answer is left on the board, as always.
0:25:26I would be very surprised if it is one of those services for audio files and it ended
0:25:31up in this survey.
0:25:33What is it?
0:25:34What is it there beyond Apple Music Spotify YouTube?
0:25:40What was the question again?
0:25:41What music service do you use?
0:25:44Music service do you use?
0:25:46Okay.
0:25:47I'm going to go with...
0:25:49"Plex".
0:25:50Four people answered "Plex".
0:25:53That is not enough.
0:25:54I'm going to go with "Title".
0:25:56Six people answered "Title".
0:25:58That is also not enough.
0:26:00Give you one more guess each.
0:26:02What do you think Federico?
0:26:03"Music Service Studio".
0:26:04I'm going to go with...
0:26:06"Web Radio".
0:26:08I don't even know what that is and nobody said it.
0:26:11So...
0:26:12It's not there.
0:26:13I'm going to say "Amazon Prime Music".
0:26:15Amazon music had nine responses that is not enough.
0:26:19Oh.
0:26:20I tried to lead you to as much as I could.
0:26:23The fourth answer is my own purchased music.
0:26:27Isn't that the same as not streaming?
0:26:29Nope.
0:26:30I would argue that's the same answer.
0:26:31Because some people just said none.
0:26:33Okay.
0:26:34Maybe they don't listen to music.
0:26:35And a lot of people said my own library.
0:26:38Okay.
0:26:39Okay.
0:26:40That's fair.
0:26:41That's fair.
0:26:42And I did, I did, I was very clear.
0:26:43I gave you both of them and asked you to choose.
0:26:46Yeah, no, no, no, I'm good. I'm good.
0:26:48So in that round, Stephen cleared 500 points.
0:26:52Federico cleared 800 points.
0:26:54Currently today, Federico has scored 3100 points.
0:26:59Stephen has scored 2700 points.
0:27:03And we go into our final round for today.
0:27:06Stephen, you will be picking first.
0:27:10The question is, what do you use for photo management?
0:27:13What do you use for photo management?
0:27:18Yeah, that's good.
0:27:19I'm going to say the Apple Photos app.
0:27:21Are you hoping for the top answer with that one?
0:27:23I assume so. Right.
0:27:24Yeah. So you say it and you'll get it.
0:27:26500 points will go to Stephen Hackett.
0:27:29What do you use beyond that?
0:27:32Like, I don't even know what else is there beyond photos.
0:27:37So I would to give you some info here.
0:27:39We had a total of 26 distinct answers.
0:27:44863 people said Apple Photos.
0:27:47The next four are all in double digits.
0:27:50- Lightroom.
0:27:51- 300 points goes to Federico Vittucci.
0:27:54That is our third highest answer.
0:27:56- That's good.
0:27:57That was gonna be my next one if you didn't get it.
0:27:59So the second place is still out for grabs.
0:28:01Google Photos.
0:28:03- Second, fourth and fifth.
0:28:05- Yeah, Google Photos.
0:28:06- Google Photos.
0:28:07400 points for Stephen Hackett.
0:28:10Google Photos was the second highest answer.
0:28:12- Totally forgot that Google Photos succeeded.
0:28:14(laughing)
0:28:16- Google Photos had 70 responses.
0:28:20- Should have said that.
0:28:21Dropbox.
0:28:23- Nobody said it.
0:28:24- Oh man.
0:28:26- Wow.
0:28:27- Nobody said Dropbox.
0:28:27- Photos, Google Photos, Lightroom.
0:28:30- No Dropbox.
0:28:31- No Dropbox.
0:28:32- No Dropbox.
0:28:33- I mean like Finder?
0:28:35Just you just have a bunch of--
0:28:36Five people said finder.
0:28:38- You said a bunch of files laying around.
0:28:39- That is not enough.
0:28:40- That's how we used to do it.
0:28:41We used to be big Dropbox photo boys.
0:28:43- I know Dropbox and finder,
0:28:45but nobody's doing that anymore.
0:28:48Apparently.
0:28:49- What are they even using?
0:28:51I don't know.
0:28:52- What are they using?
0:28:53- Not a light phone.
0:28:55- The fourth highest answer had 26 responses.
0:28:58- The whatever the default is on Windows.
0:29:04- Nobody answered anything like that.
0:29:06So I'm gonna say no, nobody.
0:29:10- What else is there even out there?
0:29:12- One person said hope, which I thought was fun.
0:29:15And they gave me a little crying face.
0:29:18- Hope?
0:29:19- Hope, yeah.
0:29:20- That makes me kind of sad, but I'm not sure why.
0:29:23- Yeah, I know, right?
0:29:24Yeah, it is a bit sad.
0:29:25One person said flicker too.
0:29:27Ooh.
0:29:28- Oh, man.
0:29:29- One person said apathy.
0:29:33I don't know if that's an app or they just--
0:29:35Yeah, it's like the new version of Aperture.
0:29:37Aperture?
0:29:39Yeah.
0:29:40Alright, you've got one more guess each.
0:29:42I don't remember who, uh, went first.
0:29:44I think it's my turn.
0:29:45It's Steven's turn.
0:29:46So, Steven's turn. Steven, you have one last guess.
0:29:48I honestly don't even know what else is out there.
0:29:50Uh, Plex?
0:29:52No, no one said Plex.
0:29:54I like, Plex could just be an answer to any of these.
0:29:57It does everything.
0:29:58Someone's using Plex for email.
0:29:59Someone's doing it, you know?
0:30:01It's probably Casey.
0:30:02Mm-hmm.
0:30:03- Rico, you have the final guess of the game.
0:30:06- Okay, so it's either, I mean, if it's not photos.
0:30:10Are we guessing the third?
0:30:12No, we're guessing the fourth or the fifth?
0:30:13- Fourth and fifth are available.
0:30:15- Fourth and fifth.
0:30:16I mean, Lightroom, I'm gonna say none.
0:30:22- And you will get 200 points for that.
0:30:24- That doesn't mean anything.
0:30:27You have to manage photos somehow.
0:30:30- Some people just don't.
0:30:32None is just camera roll.
0:30:33Some people said camera roll.
0:30:36Enough people?
0:30:38But like, you know, these people, they don't think about it.
0:30:41That's the none, right?
0:30:42They're just like, I don't pay any attention to this.
0:30:44What you missed, the fifth highest answer.
0:30:4820 people said iPhoto.
0:30:50Oh my God.
0:30:52Those people won't let go.
0:30:54Maybe they're just mistaken.
0:30:56Maybe they just call it iPhoto.
0:30:57It was discontinued in March of 2015.
0:31:02I mean it was done seven years ago, so like in this seven years you've listened
0:31:07to connected enough to participate in a survey, but you haven't taken any new
0:31:12photos that would justify the fact that you're moving on for my photo like I I
0:31:16don't get it so that's the end of this round of the quizzes you tied today
0:31:22thirty six hundred points each no way yep so the most scores are now federal
0:31:30There you go at 8,801 points, Steven at 10,673 points.
0:31:36So after all of that, nothing changed really.
0:31:39Congratulations.
0:31:40Oh my god.
0:31:41It's incredible.
0:31:42All this for nothing?
0:31:43Well it wasn't for nothing, I had a good time.
0:31:44No, no, we're helping the people still using iPhoto.
0:31:48That's true.
0:31:49That's the one thing that could be taken away from today is that people should stop using
0:31:52iPhoto.
0:31:53And that concludes the quizzes.
0:31:55Thank you Myke.
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0:33:44gonna do some follow-up. Federico and I have been talking about the page curl
0:33:49animation and because they got rid of it in books and books is boring now and I
0:33:53said no it was in Apple Maps but that came later turns out it was in Google
0:33:59Maps before books this comes via Twitter user semi commie I'm so sorry I'm so
0:34:07sorry that I mispronounced your name but they said I don't think that's
0:34:11mispronounced semi commie I just assumed I assumed that I get things wrong okay
0:34:15that's fair they found this in a keynote from January 2008 showing Apple Maps so
0:34:23Steven was right okay that's all I wasn't here for that so I don't care
0:34:28well done Steven well done a friend of the show self-service repair has
0:34:32launched in Europe so that's good news made it in before the end of the year
0:34:37Belgium France Germany Italy Poland Spain Sweden and the UK can now buy parts
0:34:43and really expensive and heavy equipment to fix their iPhone 12 or 13 and some Mac notebooks
0:34:51with Apple Silicon.
0:34:53Is it not possible to buy parts anywhere for the 14 line yet?
0:34:57Doesn't seem like it.
0:34:58Well, I mean, it seems like Apple can't make enough parts for the iPhone 14, so maybe they've
0:35:03just not got them on hand right now to give to people.
0:35:07I wonder too if there's gonna be like a rolling lag
0:35:11on those parts and okay, like in the first year
0:35:15or whatever first 90, you know, little period of time
0:35:17you're probably under warranty still
0:35:19and it'll be a little bit later.
0:35:20But my guess is right now it's supply chain
0:35:22'cause you can't get an iPhone 14 Pro
0:35:25before Christmas at this point.
0:35:26Which is sad if you've waited so long
0:35:30and now you can't get it.
0:35:31There's something that caught my eye in that press release
0:35:34about the self service repair.
0:35:36And I call this Apple covering its basis.
0:35:40So I'm gonna read, over the past three years,
0:35:43Apple has nearly doubled the number of service locations
0:35:45with access to genuine Apple parts, tools and training,
0:35:49including more than 4,000 independent repair providers.
0:35:53A global network of more than 5,000
0:35:55Apple authorized service providers
0:35:57supports more than 100,000 active technicians.
0:36:01As a result, eight out of every 10 Apple customers
0:36:05are located within 30 minutes of an authorized service provider across Europe.
0:36:10You know, it was a complaint for a long time that,
0:36:12"Oh, there's not an Apple store near me, I gotta drive eight hours."
0:36:15And that's still true for a lot of people.
0:36:16I mean, they've done partnerships with Best Buy and a bunch of other places
0:36:19to make this easier for people,
0:36:22and this is definitely just another example of that.
0:36:25I'm gonna get some real-time follow-up from Vidit in the Discord.
0:36:28"It's not the same page call.
0:36:29There are two different APIs, if I remember correctly.
0:36:32The old page curl, which is the one in Google Maps or Apple Maps, has been discontinued.
0:36:36The iBooks-style page curl still exists in API form.
0:36:39Yeah, but we're not talking about APIs, we're talking about, you know, the page curl.
0:36:44No, but it's like there was a page curl, but it's not the same one.
0:36:47Wasn't a good page curl.
0:36:49It's like, where does Flipboard come into this, right?
0:36:53Flipboard had a page curl.
0:36:54When was that?
0:36:55Yeah, oh gosh, Flipboard.
0:36:56That was their whole thing, initially.
0:36:58Flipboard was like the page curling.
0:37:00That was like the whole thing.
0:37:01I have seen an Apple Watch Ultra for the first time.
0:37:05- Are you wearing it right now?
0:37:06- I wore one for a bit too.
0:37:09I saw one in a restaurant and then I wore one,
0:37:14which it was David Sparks' Apple Watch Ultra.
0:37:17'Cause you know what it's like.
0:37:18I like, oh, I saw it.
0:37:19I was like, oh, that looks nice.
0:37:20So we immediately took his off and just put it in my hand.
0:37:23I said, put it on.
0:37:24And I did put it on and it's nice.
0:37:27- Yeah, you like it?
0:37:28- Yeah, I like it.
0:37:28Yeah, I like it.
0:37:30Did I tell the story on the show about me doing that at a drugstore counter?
0:37:33Like the pharmacist wanted to see it and I just handed her my watch.
0:37:37No, you didn't tell us this.
0:37:40Yeah, I was picking up something from the pharmacy and...
0:37:43Did you do an exchange?
0:37:45Yeah, the woman working was like, "Oh, I run a lot.
0:37:48I've been thinking about the Ultra, but I'm worried it's too big."
0:37:51I said, "Here, try it on."
0:37:52I took it off and handed it to her and she tried it on and she liked it.
0:37:54That's really the whole story.
0:37:55It's really nice.
0:37:56it's when I mean for me when I wore it like what I'll say is the face like a look at the face the
0:38:03face didn't feel too big but when I'd see it from the side it was like oh that's humongous like
0:38:08just visually but it didn't feel really any different to my um steel series 6 like to wear
0:38:18uh yeah I really really liked it a lot I liked that the screen was bigger
0:38:23Yeah, but that's the end of my story. The Discord is telling me I told that story
0:38:28on MacPowerUsers, so my bad. Well this isn't MacPowerUsers. Totally different
0:38:32show, but David Spark's presence is everywhere, is what we're learning. I'm
0:38:37jealous you got to see his studio, assuming that you did. I did, yeah, I spent
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0:39:27All right, Federico, before we go, you are very excited about a new
0:39:32cannabis view in Obsidian. Can you walk us through this? Because I watched some
0:39:36videos and it looks cool, but also I don't really understand it.
0:39:39Would it surprise you to know that I was the one who put this in the show notes today?
0:39:45- Yes. - No.
0:39:47- Oh, okay.
0:39:4850/50 split, okay.
0:39:50- Myke strikes me as an Obsidian curious individual.
0:39:54- I have never been curious about Obsidian
0:39:57until literally this feature.
0:39:59Now I am very curious.
0:40:02- I'll tell you, it's been a few years
0:40:03since I was last excited about something named Canvas.
0:40:06- Mm.
0:40:07- Oh, oh, that sounds sad.
0:40:10- So I'm very excited, but also very conflicted
0:40:15at the moment, which is sort of going to be what I wanted to talk about here.
0:40:20So this feature is currently available only on desktop for the insider build of Obsidian.
0:40:25It's like the beta version for people who sign up and have like a paid account. You
0:40:29get the insider releases. And I think it's coming to iPad. I don't know about the iPhone,
0:40:33but I think I've seen one of the developers of Obsidian mention that the plan is to bring
0:40:40it to iPad too. So the Canvas view is a brand new type of note that you can create. This
0:40:47is like the sort of dream mind map system that I've had for years now. I think if you
0:40:54go back and listen to very early episodes of The Prompt or maybe even App Stories a
0:40:58few years after that, I must have mentioned this at some point, like how my dream for
0:41:05An ideal mind map was something that would allow me to combine different types of content,
0:41:10and not just text and images, but actual previews of web pages and previews of my documents.
0:41:17And this is what the Canvas View does.
0:41:19It creates an infinite canvas for you, and you can create these little nodes that can
0:41:27be made of text, so you can have the classic text bubble and say something there, or you
0:41:33can drop an image or, and this is where it gets really fancy, you can drop in a document
0:41:41from Obsidian and it becomes a live preview of that document.
0:41:46And the card that you create on the canvas, you can freely resize and move around and
0:41:52you can click in it to edit the linked document.
0:41:56So it's a visual card, but it's also a live preview of a document from somewhere else
0:42:03in Obsidian.
0:42:05The same is true for web pages.
0:42:07So you can paste in a URL and it becomes like an inline, resizable, draggable, interactive
0:42:16web view to any web page.
0:42:20And all of these elements you can mix and match.
0:42:22You can drag around, you can create connections between them, you can change the colors, you
0:42:26You can type in your own comments.
0:42:28So you have this rich, infinitely expandable view
0:42:32where you can drop in whatever you want
0:42:34and visually organize whatever you want.
0:42:36Does Obsidian have, like, drawing tools in it?
0:42:40Well, no, not natively, but there's a very popular plugin called Excalidraw,
0:42:46which is what most people use.
0:42:48-That's a good name. -Great name.
0:42:50-It's a great name. -It's a good...
0:42:52And is that like Apple Pencil?
0:42:54Like, does it work?
0:42:56Yeah, so Excalidraw is actually a very good web service,
0:43:00and the plugin for Obsidian fully supports the Apple Pencil.
0:43:04I have done some sketches for future redesign of Mac stories with Excalidraw,
0:43:10and it's super good.
0:43:12Like, both its own website, but also the Obsidian integration is fantastic,
0:43:17because in Obsidian, of course, when you're drawing,
0:43:20you can also insert links to other notes and pages.
0:43:24in your drawing. So it's very, very nice. Now obviously, I'm waiting for this Canvas view to
0:43:31come to the iPad, right? And I'm thinking, like, I have a few ideas in terms of, well,
0:43:36this would be beneficial to me to organize, you know, maybe chapters of a long document, or maybe
0:43:44notes that are related to the same topic. But I think what this did, what this announcement did,
0:43:53is it really put a sort of deadline on me in terms of making a decision. And I think
0:44:02what I would like to do by the end of the year or just over the holiday break, essentially it comes
0:44:10down to make a choice. Do you want to use Apple Notes or do you want to use Obsidian? And if you've
0:44:17you've been keeping track of, well, this show and App Stories for the past few months, you
0:44:23know that this is like where, like this is the final battle of not taking apps for me.
0:44:28Like choosing between Apple Notes and Obsidian. Now for work stuff, for the team-based stuff
0:44:37on Mac Stories, we have made a decision. Over the years, over the past two years really,
0:44:43with the development and launch of Calliope and the new club.
0:44:47We ended up with this very scattered system
0:44:50where we were using Kraft for some things.
0:44:54But Alex, our developer, preferred to use Notion.
0:44:58Then John and I, we used Apple Notes for some other things.
0:45:01And so last week, we sat down and we said, all right, guys,
0:45:05this is not working.
0:45:06And we decided to consolidate.
0:45:09And we're doing this now.
0:45:11as we speak, we're going through this,
0:45:13we are consolidating everything in Notion.
0:45:16There's nothing really better than that
0:45:17when it comes to like this team-based stuff.
0:45:21I actually, I started paying for Notion,
0:45:23I signed up for a team account,
0:45:25and so the work stuff, the collaboration,
0:45:28like obviously Alex's development boards and pages,
0:45:33like all of that is already in there,
0:45:35but also technical documentation,
0:45:38more complex projects like Selects, right?
0:45:41the awards that we do that require like an editorial timeline and assignments, like all
0:45:47of that team stuff is going to be in Notion. And of course, for friends and family, like
0:45:54with Sylvia, for example, I want to share something with Sylvia, I'm going to keep using
0:45:57Apple Notes, right? That's just the best tool for the job. But the big question that remains
0:46:03from me, which is why I need to have sort of this internal, I gotta do this internal
0:46:10analysis if you will over the holiday break and finally make a choice is going forward,
0:46:16at least until iOS 17 or whatever. Do I want to use Notes or do I want to use Obsidian?
0:46:23And we had this conversation here on the show a month ago where I said, I don't know guys,
0:46:29maybe I just need to use Obsidian as a text editor and I want to use Apple Notes as a
0:46:33as a note-taking app, right?
0:46:34We had this conversation a few episodes ago.
0:46:37And over the past few weeks,
0:46:38I've been using Obsidian as my text editor
0:46:41and Notes as my note-taking app.
0:46:44And I put together for me and for the audience
0:46:48a list of pros and cons.
0:46:49I feel like this is the only way that I can decide.
0:46:51There are advantages to both products.
0:46:55And I can go through this list.
0:46:57Obviously, Notes has the advantage
0:46:58of being a native product, right?
0:46:59It's got that native feel.
0:47:02It's very elegant, very simple, and it supports all the native features that you would expect.
0:47:07For example, on the iPad it supports multiple windows, which Obsidian does not. It doesn't
0:47:13support the native multi-window on iPad. It's got rich links, it's very polished,
0:47:19it's got excellent integration with shortcuts, and it supports Quick Note on the iPad. So anywhere
0:47:27in the system, you can hit globe Q and you get a notes window, like a floating window,
0:47:33and you can capture anything you want. And that's one of the things I mentioned a few episodes ago
0:47:38and connected. The speed and ease of capture of Apple Notes is unparalleled on the system.
0:47:47It's integrated with the system in a way that no other note-taking app is when it comes to saving
0:47:52an idea quickly. And of course it's got that background sync privilege as well, like iCloud
0:47:59sync in Apple Notes most of the time works in the background pretty well I would say. And lastly of
0:48:07course Apple Notes, because it's an Apple app when the next version of iOS comes out, it's gonna be
0:48:16first in having whatever new feature iOS 17 or iPadOS 17 is going to have.
0:48:22It gets new system enhancements every year, or at least in theory. Now, obviously, with Obsidian,
0:48:30you have different advantages. I mean, obviously, there's an incredible customization going on.
0:48:38You can customize whatever you want. Visually speaking, functionally speaking,
0:48:42the keyboard shortcuts, you can make your own little operating system inside Obsidian if you
0:48:49want. And that I think is the, I think there are two key factors for Obsidian for me. The
0:48:55customization and also the FOMO effect, the fear of missing out in terms of the Obsidian community
0:49:03is always coming up with new ideas, with new plugins, there's always something new in Obsidian
0:49:09And when I was not using it, I was always sort of looking from the sidelines, being like, "Oh, man,
0:49:15look at all these cool things happening in the Obsidian community now." But I'm using Apple Notes.
0:49:21I decided to give Apple Notes a try as a note-taking app, and now I kind of miss Obsidian.
0:49:26There's always been that tension for me in the past month. It doesn't support multiple windows
0:49:32on the iPad. It does not have that native feel of Apple Notes that I just mentioned.
0:49:39Not even close.
0:49:40Not even close.
0:49:41And you always get the sense
0:49:44that you can break something in Obsidian, right?
0:49:46If you're not careful.
0:49:47Like maybe you enable too many plugins
0:49:49or maybe you enable too many like CSS customizations
0:49:53or like you always,
0:49:54because it's the kind of product that wants you to tinker
0:49:58around with things a little bit,
0:50:00you always have that risk of like,
0:50:02oh, did I do anything I wasn't supposed to do?
0:50:04Which is not a thing that can happen in Apple Notes.
0:50:07the very latest insider build that I just mentioned,
0:50:12in addition to this new Canvas plugin,
0:50:15if I'm reading the release notes right,
0:50:18I believe plugin developers,
0:50:20and hear me out on this because it's very interesting,
0:50:24if I'm not mistaken, developers of plugins
0:50:28can now request a calendar entitlement,
0:50:33meaning that if I understand this correctly,
0:50:37developers of plugins will be able to integrate with Apple Calendar and Apple Reminders,
0:50:42which is a major turning point for me if this is correct, and if this also comes to iPad and
0:50:49iPhone, because it means that having that native communication between Obsidian and Reminders
0:50:56may finally become possible. I'm here basically torn between these two products.
0:51:04Each has its own benefits. On the one hand, I have the Apple native product that gets new features
0:51:13in theory on every release of iOS and iPadOS, and it's not going to break on me, and it's
0:51:22integrated with the system, and it's got shortcuts integrations, and it looks nice and clean,
0:51:27and it's reliable. On the other, there's this incredibly customizable note-taking app.
0:51:33I've also been using it as a text editor that has never changed. All my Mac Stories articles,
0:51:39I have continued writing them in Obsidian that has not changed. But you have this incredible
0:51:47community making plugins and customizations on a daily basis. It's not native, does not support
0:51:53like all the things that Notes does. And also, you know, personally speaking, I feel like
0:52:01from a mere work perspective, Obsidian would give me more opportunities for content. You
0:52:10know, I can always write shortcuts, write about plugins, and people want to know that
0:52:15content. People are really into that type of content, I can tell you that. So from a
0:52:22From a creative perspective, Obsidian, like the tool itself, gives me more content to
0:52:29write about it, which Apple Notes after a certain point does not, because it's like
0:52:34it's the Notes app, like there's nothing more you can do with it.
0:52:39So once again, over the past few months, I have tried everything on the market.
0:52:46For the team-based stuff, for Mac stories, we have settled on Notion.
0:52:51notes that I want to share with my girlfriend and you know the family were using notes.
0:52:57But for me what do I want to use? I've tried everything, it comes down to these two and
0:53:05I don't know how I can make a decision because I sound like one day I wake up and I'm like
0:53:13yeah Apple Notes is fine and then I think about it somewhere and I'm like oh man Obsidian
0:53:17with all those plugins.
0:53:19And this is just for the note-taking.
0:53:21Once again, the text editing and the articles,
0:53:23like all of that is already in Obsidian.
0:53:26But for notes, it's one of these two.
0:53:30It has to be one of these two.
0:53:32And I don't know how to make a decision.
0:53:35- Well, I guess maybe it will come down to
0:53:37if these new features,
0:53:38'cause it's obviously this new feature
0:53:40has really started to tip you, right?
0:53:42'Cause it looks really interesting.
0:53:44So maybe you won't have to make a decision
0:53:46until you know it's definitely coming to iPad.
0:53:48- I don't know.
0:53:49What would you guys do?
0:53:50- I think it's tricky because for you,
0:53:53you sort of have a gradient.
0:53:54You have notes like, you know, regular people do.
0:53:56Like this is the code for the block
0:53:59or I don't know, the gift list ideas,
0:54:02you know, regular notes stuff.
0:54:04But then you have research that's gonna go into articles.
0:54:07And I would imagine that sometimes
0:54:08you have a piece of content, you're like,
0:54:09I don't know where it is on that continuum.
0:54:14So that's tricky.
0:54:17So I have everything in Notes, Work Stuff,
0:54:18Personal Stuff, it's all under mixed.
0:54:20I keep folders of notes to kind of keep things separated.
0:54:24But I don't know if you have it so easily separatable.
0:54:29I don't know.
0:54:32And it's not like you're not keeping up with Apple Notes
0:54:35'cause you are using it for some personal sharing stuff.
0:54:38So like you still have your toe in the water there.
0:54:40Right, if they have some big feature,
0:54:42you're still gonna be aware of it.
0:54:44So as much as it pains me to say, I kind of think, stay with Obsidian.
0:54:47It's not for me.
0:54:49Follow your heart, man.
0:54:50Follow your heart.
0:54:51What's your heart telling you?
0:54:52Uh, my heart tells me Obsidian.
0:54:54Then do it.
0:54:55You know?
0:54:56The one true John just texted me and John says, you're going to pick Obsidian.
0:55:01Period.
0:55:02I know this.
0:55:03Period.
0:55:04I think he's right.
0:55:05Stop like, you know, stop holding yourself back.
0:55:07Go all in, baby.
0:55:09Yeah.
0:55:10Now, sometimes-- and this is like therapy
0:55:14for an Apple blogger--
0:55:15sometimes I feel like I should always use--
0:55:20and this is a much bigger conversation.
0:55:23Maybe we'll talk about some of these points in the future.
0:55:26But sometimes I feel like I should
0:55:28stick to the Apple version of something as much as possible,
0:55:33because it's like my job to write about these things,
0:55:36right?
0:55:36So for example, totally unrelated to this,
0:55:39but I've been doing a lot of research
0:55:41for the speaker situation in my new house.
0:55:45And I think I'm like 90% positive,
0:55:50we are going to go with a Sonos based 7.
0:55:53- Go with Sonos, go with it.
0:55:55- But you know how much I researched this
0:55:59and second guessed every step of the way
0:56:01to get to this point,
0:56:02because I was always like,
0:56:04but wait, am I not supposed to use a HomePods?
0:56:08Like, should I not stick to the Apple version?
0:56:11That is like a weird psychological trick
0:56:14that the Apple ecosystem plays on you, I think.
0:56:17- Well done, man.
0:56:18That's what it's all about.
0:56:19- You always, at least I always have that little voice
0:56:23in the back of my head being like,
0:56:24but what if you don't do things the Apple way?
0:56:27You're gonna regret it, you know?
0:56:29And yeah, so, but with the Sonos, I mean,
0:56:34I've done all the possible research
0:56:36and for the budget that I have
0:56:38and for the requirements that I have,
0:56:41I think we're gonna be fine with the Sonos.
0:56:43But for note-taking, I'm like, my heart,
0:56:46I think my heart tells me Obsidian,
0:56:49but my closeness to the apple ecosystem
0:56:53is always whispering in my ear,
0:56:56don't leave the native product, you know, like that.
0:57:00And so I think I will go with Obsidian,
0:57:03but I'm scared, that is what I'm saying.
0:57:06Because I don't want to be in a situation where then in June, Apple...
0:57:09Or maybe that's part of the deal, you know?
0:57:13Maybe that's part of the life I chose.
0:57:15Where like in June iOS 17 comes out and Apple Notes copied Obsidian and Kraft in a bunch of ways.
0:57:22And I'm like, I'm going to switch again.
0:57:23Maybe that's just part of the job.
0:57:25There's like, if you go all in on Obsidian for all of the things Obsidian wants to do,
0:57:29Apple Notes is not going to do anything that could tempt you away.
0:57:33Because they're just not going to go that far, right?
0:57:35Like, you're going all in on this because of stuff like this.
0:57:38Like, oh, you can have one canvas where you can have previews, scrollable previews of
0:57:43every single note that you've got, and you can draw links between them, and then you
0:57:46can drop web pages in and read the web pages and they update.
0:57:50They're not going to do all of that for Apple Notes, right?
0:57:52Like, it's just not going to happen.
0:57:53I don't even imagine them doing Notes linking, like the back linking stuff.
0:57:57I don't even think they're going to do that.
0:57:59Because I think that they're millions upon millions of customers do not care about this
0:58:04feature and don't want it. It's a waste of time.
0:58:07Yeah, I think maybe. See, now I'm leaning strongly toward Obsidian again. Very strongly.
0:58:15But I also, with Obsidian, the last thing I will say, I don't want to end up, because
0:58:20I've been down that road before and I don't want to do it. I don't want to end up in that
0:58:25place that I was like last year, where I'm like, well, I'm using Obsidian and I want
0:58:30to use it for everything. Like my YouTube videos, I'm going to save them in Obsidian.
0:58:35The music I want to listen to, it's going to be in Obsidian. My read later system, oh,
0:58:39that's going to be in Obsidian too. Like embrace Obsidian but with more balance than before
0:58:45because at the same time I'm also, I guess I have complicated tastes for some things
0:58:53because I do love for not taking the freedom and the customization of Obsidian, but I also
0:58:58love me some real well-designed native app, you know, that like, for example, Music Box
0:59:05for saving music albums or, you know, Good Links for read later stuff. Like, I like both
0:59:11things. I like something like Obsidian, but I also like a good standalone dedicated native
0:59:18app for one specific task. And maybe that's okay, you know, liking both ends of the spectrum,
0:59:26Which is definitely the kind of mistake I did before.
0:59:29Throwing too many things in Obsidian and eventually regretting that approach.
0:59:34Just use it for notes man.
0:59:36But all of the notes.
0:59:37I thank you guys for letting me share about this.
0:59:41I've got tabs open now.
0:59:43What tabs?
0:59:44Obsidian tabs.
0:59:45You know like in Safari.
0:59:47It's like aww.
0:59:48Nice.
0:59:49That canvas view man.
0:59:50I don't know.
0:59:51It's saying something to me.
0:59:53- Yeah, I had a feeling you were gonna like it
0:59:56because it's visual and easy,
1:00:00like in a way that Obsidian was not before.
1:00:03- No, it was not.
1:00:05But the visualness, that's really interesting to me.
1:00:08I'm gonna, yeah, I might try it out.
1:00:11But I might be keen to wait to know it's coming to the iPad.
1:00:15- If you wanna find links for the show
1:00:17that you could save into your own Obsidian library,
1:00:19head on over to relay.fm/connected/427.
1:00:24- Put that live view in your Obsidian canvas
1:00:28and just like scroll it, you know?
1:00:30Scroll it, baby.
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1:00:52And Myke, I saw that you're bringing
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1:00:58- Yep, I'm gonna be streaming on Twitch on Friday
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