Connected

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00:00:08 ◼   ► From Relay FM, this is Connected, episode 416.

00:00:11 ◼   ► Today's show is brought to you by Squarespace, Trade Coffee and Capital One.

00:00:16 ◼   ► My name is Myke Hurley, but don't worry about that.

00:00:18 ◼   ► Here's Federico. Hi Federico.

00:00:20 ◼   ► No, I do worry about that. Hello Myke Hurley.

00:00:22 ◼   ► Don't worry about me, I'm good. I'm good. I'm good.

00:00:25 ◼   ► You're good? You're back in your homeland?

00:00:29 ◼   ► Back baby.

00:00:30 ◼   ► All right.

00:00:31 ◼   ► Are you back in your homeland?

00:00:32 ◼   ► Well, I never left, so.

00:00:34 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:00:36 ◼   ► I was always here.

00:00:37 ◼   ► And we're also joined by Stephen Hackett.

00:00:40 ◼   ► Hello, Stephen.

00:00:41 ◼   ► Hello, Federico.

00:00:43 ◼   ► How are you?

00:00:44 ◼   ► I am good.

00:00:45 ◼   ► I feel like, I'm sure Myke feels worse than I do,

00:00:48 ◼   ► but I definitely feel like I am recovering

00:00:51 ◼   ► in a deep and profound way from last week.

00:00:54 ◼   ► Deep and profound.

00:00:56 ◼   ► That's a good way to put it.

00:00:57 ◼   ► a deep and profound framework.

00:00:59 ◼   ► - Myke wanted to reiterate how good Sticker Drop is

00:01:03 ◼   ► on iOS 16.

00:01:04 ◼   ► - It's just so good.

00:01:05 ◼   ► So like this is an app that we spoke about

00:01:07 ◼   ► very quickly last week.

00:01:09 ◼   ► It's an app that lets you create stickers

00:01:12 ◼   ► out of that new thing.

00:01:16 ◼   ► What is it called?

00:01:17 ◼   ► The way you can drag a person out.

00:01:19 ◼   ► - Uh, lifting the subject of a photo.

00:01:23 ◼   ► - Is that like the official name?

00:01:25 ◼   ► - Like it doesn't have a name.

00:01:26 ◼   ► I checked this like...

00:01:27 ◼   ► Why does all of that not even friggin name the thing?

00:01:30 ◼   ► The dynamic cut out.

00:01:31 ◼   ► I checked, you know.

00:01:33 ◼   ► So I checked the Apple website.

00:01:35 ◼   ► I checked the developer documentation.

00:01:37 ◼   ► I checked the sort of material that they send to the press in the summer for beta season.

00:01:45 ◼   ► They always use the phrase, "You can lift the subject from afar."

00:01:50 ◼   ► Like it doesn't have a name.

00:01:51 ◼   ► They just describe what you do.

00:01:53 ◼   ► do. Can we talk about though how that sort of messes up the live photo play

00:02:02 ◼   ► gesture? Oh yeah. It's terrible. Myke complained about this a while back.

00:02:07 ◼   ► I want to reiterate, it's bad. I did notice something about live photos that I don't

00:02:12 ◼   ► know if it's an iOS 16 thing or not. So as part of one of the like, parts of the

00:02:17 ◼   ► podcast, someone on my phone I think took a bunch of photos one after the

00:02:21 ◼   ► other and if you press and hold on the live photo it just plays through all of them like

00:02:25 ◼   ► a mini movie.

00:02:26 ◼   ► Yeah, that was added like a couple of years ago.

00:02:29 ◼   ► Oh really?

00:02:30 ◼   ► I've never experienced it before.

00:02:31 ◼   ► Yeah, so the idea is if you long press on a live photo and that live photo is the first

00:02:39 ◼   ► one of a bunch of pictures that were taken in rapid succession, they're going to play

00:02:43 ◼   ► through from top to bottom like a mini movie.

00:02:46 ◼   ► That's so cool.

00:02:47 ◼   ► I mean, I guess this is one of those things you have to have that to know that.

00:02:52 ◼   ► You know what I mean?

00:02:52 ◼   ► And I didn't even know it was going to happen.

00:02:55 ◼   ► I just wanted to see what the live photo was like and it just kept going.

00:02:58 ◼   ► I was like, "Oh, look at this!"

00:02:59 ◼   ► But yeah, the live photo thing's got worse.

00:03:01 ◼   ► But Sticker Drop is great.

00:03:02 ◼   ► So because we mentioned it on the episode, but then since then,

00:03:05 ◼   ► I think we all have used it to create a bunch of stickers.

00:03:09 ◼   ► And it's just a really great way if you're in a group chat to

00:03:13 ◼   ► cyberbully your friends, I think.

00:03:17 ◼   ► Yes.

00:03:18 ◼   ► In like the nicest possible way.

00:03:20 ◼   ► So you know, one person sends a picture of themselves in some kind of situation and then

00:03:25 ◼   ► you can take them and make that sticker and just keep sending it over and over again.

00:03:28 ◼   ► It's very good.

00:03:29 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:03:30 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:03:31 ◼   ► It's very nicely done.

00:03:32 ◼   ► Also works well with dogs.

00:03:33 ◼   ► And it's also a pretty cost effective way to make stickers from popular, I don't know,

00:03:42 ◼   ► movie characters, video game characters, anime characters.

00:03:46 ◼   ► Yeah, this honestly is what worries me about the app's future because that's actually not

00:03:52 ◼   ► allowed on the app store, right?

00:03:54 ◼   ► But this is like a way around that?

00:03:56 ◼   ► Yeah, but I mean, take it up to Apple for building this feature, you know?

00:04:01 ◼   ► I mean, if Apple lets you turn anything into a PNG and Marvel gets upset because people

00:04:08 ◼   ► are making PNGs of Spider-Man, so be it, you know?

00:04:13 ◼   ► So be it.

00:04:14 ◼   ► You heard it here first, Fedor, because it's so be it.

00:04:15 ◼   ► I have some important emoji news.

00:04:18 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:04:19 ◼   ► - Slack has finally gotten up to date

00:04:21 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:04:22 ◼   ► with their emoji reactions.

00:04:24 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:04:25 ◼   ► - So I don't know what happened for the last three years,

00:04:28 ◼   ► but they've finally done all of them.

00:04:30 ◼   ► I will say that I'm particularly happy

00:04:32 ◼   ► that they didn't just add like two years of emoji

00:04:35 ◼   ► or one year of emoji,

00:04:36 ◼   ► but still didn't do the most recent ones.

00:04:38 ◼   ► They had now updated it.

00:04:40 ◼   ► And the Mac app Rocket that I like a lot.

00:04:42 ◼   ► This is the one where you type colon

00:04:44 ◼   ► and it starts like, you can search for emoji with text.

00:04:48 ◼   ► That has been out of date for a little bit too.

00:04:50 ◼   ► They just got up to date as well.

00:04:51 ◼   ► So I'm happy about that.

00:04:53 ◼   ► So emoji, I don't know what happened

00:04:55 ◼   ► in the last couple of days

00:04:56 ◼   ► that everybody updated their emoji, but it has happened.

00:04:59 ◼   ► - Maybe Salesforce finally found like the text file

00:05:03 ◼   ► telling them how to upload new emoji to Slack,

00:05:06 ◼   ► you know, when they bought Slack.

00:05:07 ◼   ► - I was gonna make a Salesforce joke myself and you did.

00:05:10 ◼   ► So thank you.

00:05:11 ◼   ► I just did not disappoint.

00:05:14 ◼   ► - Don't understand how this is an issue for them, but.

00:05:17 ◼   ► - It's wild, but yeah, I'm glad they're there.

00:05:19 ◼   ► I hadn't even noticed until I saw this in the show notes,

00:05:22 ◼   ► and then I sent you a melty face in Slack.

00:05:24 ◼   ► I was like, look, it works.

00:05:26 ◼   ► So good.

00:05:28 ◼   ► I have some sad news though.

00:05:29 ◼   ► - Uh-oh.

00:05:30 ◼   ► - Oh, the iPhone 14 Pro's lightning port is still USB 2.0.

00:05:35 ◼   ► - No, this is not sad.

00:05:37 ◼   ► This is an obvious piece of follow up.

00:05:40 ◼   ► - Which is what we tried to tell you at the time.

00:05:42 ◼   ► - Nothing like trying to import 90 megabyte raw files

00:05:45 ◼   ► of USB 2, but here you go.

00:05:48 ◼   ► - Just use AirDrop.

00:05:49 ◼   ► - Yeah, no, I know.

00:05:50 ◼   ► I mean, lightning is such a bottleneck

00:05:55 ◼   ► that I think anyone doing serious vowel transfers

00:05:58 ◼   ► just bypass it any way they can,

00:06:00 ◼   ► either AirDrop or iCloud Photo Library or something,

00:06:02 ◼   ► but it's a bummer.

00:06:05 ◼   ► Maybe next year with USB-C, they'll go faster.

00:06:08 ◼   ► - So in case you don't remember, this was Steven's Ricky

00:06:10 ◼   ► that they would go to USB 3.0.

00:06:11 ◼   ► - We didn't have to bring that up.

00:06:13 ◼   ► - I feel like that was necessary as like,

00:06:15 ◼   ► why would we care about this piece of news?

00:06:17 ◼   ► 'Cause without that Ricky,

00:06:19 ◼   ► this would not have made it into the show.

00:06:21 ◼   ► - I did just have a funny thought of like,

00:06:25 ◼   ► what if the iPhone 15 gets USB-C,

00:06:28 ◼   ► but the iPhone 15 Pro gets Thunderbolt?

00:06:30 ◼   ► And then I realized that was stupid.

00:06:32 ◼   ► Can you imagine?

00:06:34 ◼   ► I'd be like, what would you do with it on a phone?

00:06:36 ◼   ► What do you even do with it on an iPad?

00:06:38 ◼   ► Although...

00:06:39 ◼   ► - I mean, they put it on the iPad,

00:06:41 ◼   ► so why not put it on the phone?

00:06:42 ◼   ► What difference does it make?

00:06:43 ◼   ► - Not that you mention it.

00:06:45 ◼   ► Like, you should save that as a Ricky.

00:06:47 ◼   ► I mean, if you think about it,

00:06:50 ◼   ► you got, you know, it's not unprecedented.

00:06:54 ◼   ► You have USB-C on the iPad Air

00:06:56 ◼   ► and Thunderbolt on the iPad Pro.

00:06:58 ◼   ► - Drive a Pro Display XDR with your iPhone 15 Pro.

00:07:01 ◼   ► - No, but you could have super fast data transfers

00:07:05 ◼   ► for those raw photos that you capture on your...

00:07:08 ◼   ► - Or, or Stage Manager comes to the iPhone 15 Pro.

00:07:13 ◼   ► - No, no.

00:07:14 ◼   ► - But only with an external display.

00:07:15 ◼   ► Can you imagine?

00:07:18 ◼   ► - Although that's kind of like what Samsung does

00:07:20 ◼   ► with the Samsung decks.

00:07:22 ◼   ► That's essentially the idea.

00:07:23 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah, decks it up.

00:07:25 ◼   ► - Decks it up.

00:07:26 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:07:28 ◼   ► - That's what they say.

00:07:31 ◼   ► You must have been paying attention to the ads.

00:07:32 ◼   ► - Is that like an official tagline?

00:07:35 ◼   ► - It is now.

00:07:37 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:07:38 ◼   ► - I mean, could be, couldn't it?

00:07:39 ◼   ► - Dex it up.

00:07:40 ◼   ► (laughs)

00:07:41 ◼   ► - Dex it up with the S22.

00:07:43 ◼   ► I Googled it, didn't provide anything.

00:07:46 ◼   ► Just wanted to double check.

00:07:47 ◼   ► - Good.

00:07:48 ◼   ► - Could have been like Dynamic Island all over again.

00:07:50 ◼   ► - Could be, could be.

00:07:51 ◼   ► - Speaking of, we had somebody on Twitter

00:07:54 ◼   ► whose username is OAnotherAlt send in a screenshot

00:07:58 ◼   ► of listening to this show with it in the Dynamic Island.

00:08:02 ◼   ► And the waveform for connected in the Dynamic Island,

00:08:05 ◼   ► Good looking. Good looking waveform, color wise.

00:08:08 ◼   ► Oh, look at that.

00:08:10 ◼   ► So if you have a new iPhone and you've yet to do it,

00:08:13 ◼   ► and you're listening to this episode right now,

00:08:15 ◼   ► take out your phone, look at the Dynamic Island.

00:08:18 ◼   ► The artwork is real good

00:08:20 ◼   ► because it's a nice colorful gradient.

00:08:22 ◼   ► This person is in SOS mode,

00:08:25 ◼   ► so it looks like connected SOS, like that's funny.

00:08:29 ◼   ► That's what we should have named the membership version.

00:08:31 ◼   ► We could redo it.

00:08:32 ◼   ► Why? Connected SOS.

00:08:34 ◼   ► - I don't know, it's just kind of funny.

00:08:36 ◼   ► - Yeah, it is kind of funny.

00:08:37 ◼   ► - Yeah, 'cause the dynamic Alan tries to pick

00:08:39 ◼   ► the primary color of the artworks.

00:08:42 ◼   ► Like if you're listening to "Clockwise," which is yellow,

00:08:45 ◼   ► the little EQ thing is yellow,

00:08:48 ◼   ► but I guess with "Connected,"

00:08:49 ◼   ► there's too many colors and too small of a space,

00:08:51 ◼   ► so it just does a gradient of them,

00:08:53 ◼   ► which is, it's fantastic.

00:08:54 ◼   ► I think it looks really good.

00:08:56 ◼   ► Do the waveforms on the lock screen

00:09:02 ◼   ► pick up the colors as well,

00:09:03 ◼   ► or is that just that a dynamic island?

00:09:05 ◼   ► I think it's just the island.

00:09:09 ◼   ► - Yeah, I think so.

00:09:11 ◼   ► I think there's a monochrome on the lock screen.

00:09:14 ◼   ► - I don't think I'd noticed it before.

00:09:16 ◼   ► I feel like we would have seen that.

00:09:18 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's just, it's kind of that gray color

00:09:20 ◼   ► on the lock screen.

00:09:21 ◼   ► I don't-

00:09:24 ◼   ► - It's not the dynamic lock screen, is it?

00:09:26 ◼   ► - It is not.

00:09:27 ◼   ► We'll talk more about the iPhone 14 Pro though,

00:09:29 ◼   ► 'cause I do have feelings about some of the stuff.

00:09:32 ◼   ► I've spoken about the iPhone 14 now and specifically its back gloss. It's no longer attached to

00:09:37 ◼   ► any components which is making repairs easier and cheaper.

00:09:40 ◼   ► The way you said that, it's like it just floating.

00:09:43 ◼   ► Oh it just floats out there and you gotta grab it and like hold it tight or it'll get

00:09:49 ◼   ► away from you. Out of warranty a back glass repair on the iPhone 14 line is $149 rather

00:09:56 ◼   ► than the $500-$600 on older models.

00:10:01 ◼   ► - Yeah, so the way they're doing this is the iPhone 14

00:10:05 ◼   ► is built with a new mid plate.

00:10:07 ◼   ► So all of the components like the battery,

00:10:09 ◼   ► the logic board, the cameras,

00:10:11 ◼   ► all that stuff is connected to this mid plate.

00:10:14 ◼   ► And then the screen with the front glass

00:10:16 ◼   ► and the back glass are basically independent.

00:10:20 ◼   ► They're not structural.

00:10:22 ◼   ► The way these phones used to be built

00:10:24 ◼   ► and the way the pros are still built,

00:10:26 ◼   ► they didn't change it on the pros, just the regular 14,

00:10:29 ◼   ► is that the back glass is basically part of the housing

00:10:33 ◼   ► of the phone.

00:10:33 ◼   ► And so if you break your back glass,

00:10:35 ◼   ► that's why it's so much more expensive.

00:10:37 ◼   ► And at least last time I had to do one,

00:10:39 ◼   ► they actually replace your whole phone.

00:10:41 ◼   ► They don't just like scoop all your iPhone guts out

00:10:45 ◼   ► and put it in a new case.

00:10:46 ◼   ► So this does make it more repairable.

00:10:49 ◼   ► This is something we talked about when Apple launched

00:10:51 ◼   ► the self-service repair program.

00:10:53 ◼   ► Like what decisions will they make

00:10:56 ◼   ► when designing products with this in mind?

00:10:59 ◼   ► And I think this is a pretty good case of, you know, looking at, okay.

00:11:05 ◼   ► Not just how it's built, not just how we construct it, but how does it

00:11:09 ◼   ► actually like get fixed out in the world of people doing themselves or in our

00:11:13 ◼   ► stores and so they've made this change.

00:11:15 ◼   ► I don't know why it's just the iPhone 14.

00:11:18 ◼   ► I do think it's funny that the phone that is effectively the iPhone 13,

00:11:22 ◼   ► just with some slight upgrades, totally rebuilt inside, totally new.

00:11:27 ◼   ► the phone that looks new with this new screen and dynamic island stuff,

00:11:31 ◼   ► different on the outside, same on the inside. So maybe they're just,

00:11:34 ◼   ► they're trying to level the playing field, you know?

00:11:37 ◼   ► So the iPhone 14 Pro, this isn't the case?

00:11:40 ◼   ► Not the case, just the regular iPhone 14. And assuming,

00:11:43 ◼   ► assuming the plus is this way too, but we don't know yet,

00:11:46 ◼   ► cause no one has the plus,

00:11:47 ◼   ► but just the regular iPhone 14 has this new construction method.

00:11:52 ◼   ► If you look at the tear, the tear downs of the iPhone 14 Pro and Pro Max,

00:11:57 ◼   ► they are built just like the 13 and 13 Pro Max with the exception of US phones

00:12:03 ◼   ► having a plastic it's not I'm sure it's not 3d printed but it looks like it is

00:12:09 ◼   ► like a plastic spacer where the SIM tray would be so like you don't get extra

00:12:16 ◼   ► battery or anything it's literally a plastic little box to hold the space

00:12:21 ◼   ► open. It even has the board, the under even has the sockets for like the

00:12:28 ◼   ► little connectors for the SIM tray because if you buy a non-US phone you do

00:12:32 ◼   ► get a SIM card still but in the US it is like didn't put that part on and put

00:12:35 ◼   ► this little spacer puck in there instead. It's hilarious. That shows you though I

00:12:40 ◼   ► think that they're gonna push really hard to try and get rid of the SIM

00:12:44 ◼   ► everywhere now. Yeah. Like I understand that they can't maybe can't do it

00:12:49 ◼   ► everywhere yet but now if they've got like wasted space in the iPhone go for

00:12:54 ◼   ► it and like I know people like but like yeah that's how people go by the way

00:12:58 ◼   ► that that's that sound I made that's what I see when people start complaining

00:13:02 ◼   ► on Twitter but like they're not gonna make a brand new phone design for

00:13:06 ◼   ► America right they're not gonna be like oh and we put new more battery in it

00:13:10 ◼   ► they're not gonna do that that doesn't make any sense more freedom like that

00:13:13 ◼   ► they're just gonna like remove that part and like go for it right but they're

00:13:17 ◼   ► not going to like completely re-architect exactly how the phone goes inside. You know

00:13:22 ◼   ► what I mean? Like they're just not going to do that. So they're going to have to wait

00:13:25 ◼   ► until they can do it in more places before they can fill that space up with, I don't

00:13:31 ◼   ► know, a periscope. Headphone jack. Maybe that's why they got rid of this because they need

00:13:35 ◼   ► space for that periscope. Yeah, they saw that website we did a few weeks ago where we built

00:13:39 ◼   ► our own iPhones and they were like, look, we can put a headphone port or HDMI port on

00:13:43 ◼   ► the side of the phone. If you don't know what we're talking about, that was a connected

00:13:47 ◼   ► Pro segment. Oh, how do people listen to that, Myke? Connect to Pro.co. Connect to Pro.co.

00:13:53 ◼   ► Get connected. No, get connected to Pro.co. Get connected Pro.co. That's the domain.

00:13:58 ◼   ► Pro.co. Get connected Pro.co.

00:14:01 ◼   ► [Laughter]

00:14:02 ◼   ► Leave me alone.

00:14:03 ◼   ► There's a link in the show notes. Big news.

00:14:07 ◼   ► Okay.

00:14:08 ◼   ► Big, big news.

00:14:09 ◼   ► How big?

00:14:10 ◼   ► It's huge. We are, as I read this out loud, at four hundred and thirty seven thousand dollars raised for St. Jude Children's Research Hospital.

00:14:20 ◼   ► That is pretty--you weren't lying. Yeah, that's pretty big news.

00:14:24 ◼   ► Huge news. If you missed it, last Friday, Myke and I hosted the fourth annual Podcast-A-Thon.

00:14:31 ◼   ► We were joined by a bunch of friends, including Federico, and we played--

00:14:34 ◼   ► We did a quiz.

00:14:35 ◼   ► We played the quiz. Myke, do you need to read these scores out on this show to make it official?

00:14:41 ◼   ► No.

00:14:42 ◼   ► We're still new to this, you know, there's no, there's not a bill of quizzes.

00:14:44 ◼   ► They'll get, the next time I do a quiz, which who knows when it might happen, the next time

00:14:48 ◼   ► I do a quiz.

00:14:49 ◼   ► Now I'm worried.

00:14:51 ◼   ► I considered one today, but I didn't do it. I have a topic later on that I was considering,

00:14:56 ◼   ► like, is there a way I can make this a quiz, but then realized the quiz would be too boring?

00:15:01 ◼   ► So we're not doing a quiz today, but who knows?

00:15:06 ◼   ► Maybe there is going to be a quiz today.

00:15:07 ◼   ► The next time there's a quiz, I'll update the scores.

00:15:10 ◼   ► But if people want to get the score as it is right now, they can go and watch the Podcast

00:15:15 ◼   ► athon on YouTube and they can watch the segment and they can hear the scores.

00:15:18 ◼   ► Yep, and it's pretty early in the show.

00:15:20 ◼   ► But you should definitely go watch the whole thing.

00:15:22 ◼   ► Someone I want to give a big shout out to, Kaz Maniac, in the YouTube comments, who has

00:15:27 ◼   ► time stamped every segment.

00:15:28 ◼   ► Oh, I hadn't seen that.

00:15:30 ◼   ► That's incredible.

00:15:31 ◼   ► - Yep.

00:15:32 ◼   ► - That's really cool.

00:15:33 ◼   ► - Yep.

00:15:34 ◼   ► - It was a fantastic show.

00:15:35 ◼   ► It was so good to do it together again

00:15:38 ◼   ► because the last two years we've been remote,

00:15:40 ◼   ► as people know.

00:15:41 ◼   ► And that was, it was hard to pull the show off

00:15:43 ◼   ► and it wasn't as much fun.

00:15:45 ◼   ► And this year was just a real celebration of this campaign

00:15:48 ◼   ► and what our listeners have been able to do for St. Jude.

00:15:52 ◼   ► But there's still a week and a half of September left

00:15:55 ◼   ► and we are still fundraising

00:15:56 ◼   ► throughout the rest of the month.

00:15:58 ◼   ► We have several more,

00:15:59 ◼   ► We have several more live streams planned,

00:16:02 ◼   ► one this week and a couple next week,

00:16:05 ◼   ► things that we unlocked during the podcast-a-thon.

00:16:07 ◼   ► So keep an eye out on Twitter and Discord

00:16:10 ◼   ► for those announcements.

00:16:11 ◼   ► And we're gonna have a closing ceremony

00:16:13 ◼   ► streamed the last day of the month.

00:16:15 ◼   ► But we still have time to donate.

00:16:17 ◼   ► And you wanna go to stjue.org/relay

00:16:20 ◼   ► and you can donate there.

00:16:22 ◼   ► You can also still sign up to become a fundraiser.

00:16:24 ◼   ► If you raise $250, you get the desk mat

00:16:27 ◼   ► that we showed off on the podcast-a-thon.

00:16:30 ◼   ► We currently have 218 fundraisers running,

00:16:34 ◼   ► which is just incredible.

00:16:36 ◼   ► A bunch of people doing really good work

00:16:38 ◼   ► fundraising out there.

00:16:39 ◼   ► It's been really awesome to see that.

00:16:41 ◼   ► And this is important work.

00:16:43 ◼   ► St. Jude's work is really important.

00:16:45 ◼   ► When they started 60 years ago,

00:16:48 ◼   ► the childhood cancer survivor rate was only 20%.

00:16:52 ◼   ► And now, due in large part to St. Jude's work in this area,

00:16:55 ◼   ► it is now 80% and they're climbing toward 90.

00:16:59 ◼   ► And that is just incredible.

00:17:02 ◼   ► But even with their success,

00:17:04 ◼   ► cancer is still the number one cause of death

00:17:08 ◼   ► for children due to disease.

00:17:09 ◼   ► It's a tragic thing.

00:17:11 ◼   ► It's something that strikes a lot of families,

00:17:13 ◼   ► including my own.

00:17:15 ◼   ► And St. Jude's work here is just next level.

00:17:18 ◼   ► You have the best treatment, the best research,

00:17:20 ◼   ► the best doctors,

00:17:22 ◼   ► and that research is then shared around the world.

00:17:25 ◼   ► So if you are in another country and you think,

00:17:29 ◼   ► well, you know, why would I want to back this?

00:17:32 ◼   ► It's in America, America's healthcare system is bad,

00:17:35 ◼   ► St. Jude treats people for free, which is incredible.

00:17:37 ◼   ► Maybe in your country, dear listener,

00:17:39 ◼   ► that's not that big of an issue.

00:17:40 ◼   ► Well, let me tell you,

00:17:41 ◼   ► their research is shared around the world.

00:17:43 ◼   ► And so if a child is diagnosed with cancer elsewhere,

00:17:48 ◼   ► St. Jude's work here can benefit that child and their family

00:17:51 ◼   ► and can inform the treatments that that child will receive.

00:17:55 ◼   ► The global scale of it is so much bigger than I ever knew.

00:18:00 ◼   ► When we were there with Josiah, our oldest son,

00:18:03 ◼   ► when he was receiving chemotherapy as an infant,

00:18:06 ◼   ► you got your blinders on, right?

00:18:07 ◼   ► You're just focused on the next round of chemo,

00:18:08 ◼   ► the next MRI, the next test, the next scan,

00:18:11 ◼   ► whatever it may be.

00:18:12 ◼   ► But what I've learned in the 13 years since

00:18:14 ◼   ► is that St. Jude's work is really beyond any borders.

00:18:17 ◼   ► It is really around the world.

00:18:19 ◼   ► And it's been a real honor once again,

00:18:22 ◼   ► to take part of this campaign.

00:18:23 ◼   ► So we urge you to donate if you haven't,

00:18:27 ◼   ► go to stjoe.org/relay.

00:18:30 ◼   ► If you have donated, there's a fun thing you can do,

00:18:34 ◼   ► find a fundraiser and help someone else's team

00:18:39 ◼   ► raise some more money.

00:18:40 ◼   ► You can donate more than once.

00:18:41 ◼   ► And we're very close to our goal,

00:18:44 ◼   ► $2 million over the last four years.

00:18:47 ◼   ► and that, I mean, I think we used the word

00:18:49 ◼   ► in the live show, Myke, but that's so humbling

00:18:51 ◼   ► to see from our listeners and thank you all.

00:18:55 ◼   ► It's been an incredible month and we're still gonna talk

00:18:57 ◼   ► about it for another couple of weeks.

00:18:59 ◼   ► So please go donate, get involved.

00:19:01 ◼   ► There's still lots of time left.

00:19:02 ◼   ► - Stjoe.org/relay.

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00:20:55 ◼   ► Steven, did you get your iPhone?

00:20:57 ◼   ► I did.

00:20:58 ◼   ► The better question is, have I finally set it up?

00:21:01 ◼   ► Because I got

00:21:02 ◼   ► to ask you because I knew you got it that was when I meant more than anything because I spent

00:21:06 ◼   ► a bunch of days of you and you just left it in a box or whatever I did so I'd said on the show

00:21:12 ◼   ► last week that I you know like a lot of people had some hiccups while ordering and by the time

00:21:16 ◼   ► I got it strained out my phone pickup was for Saturday and yours was for Friday so we had one

00:21:20 ◼   ► phone for the podcastathon and then I realized like three days ago that we didn't actually

00:21:26 ◼   ► do anything with the new iPhone on the podcastathon but that was fine but while I was there picking

00:21:30 ◼   ► yours up, I asked the guy I was like, Hey, no big deal. Like I totally understand if

00:21:35 ◼   ► you can't do it, but I have a pickup for tomorrow. Could I get that phone today? And he was like,

00:21:40 ◼   ► Yeah, of course, like if it's available, we'll just get it for you. And so it took a few

00:21:43 ◼   ► minutes to get that phone. Maybe it was like in the back of the store, like had it, you

00:21:47 ◼   ► know, the Saturday ones were still boxed up or something. But they they did it for me.

00:21:52 ◼   ► It was really awesome.

00:21:54 ◼   ► I was surprised at how quiet pickup was.

00:21:59 ◼   ► So I was there 8.30 on launch day morning.

00:22:03 ◼   ► That's usually been a pretty busy time at the Apple store.

00:22:07 ◼   ► Even like my Apple store, which is like,

00:22:08 ◼   ► we're a small market, right?

00:22:09 ◼   ► It's not busy, like, you know, big, big city store,

00:22:12 ◼   ► like London or Chicago or Rome or something.

00:22:15 ◼   ► But there were not many people there.

00:22:17 ◼   ► There were maybe a dozen people in line

00:22:19 ◼   ► without reservations, just, you know,

00:22:20 ◼   ► going up there trying to get one.

00:22:22 ◼   ► I know they space out the reservations, but there were only maybe another dozen of us or so

00:22:27 ◼   ► Picking up and I again like the guy who was very helpful and let me get my phone a day early

00:22:33 ◼   ► I was like, it's kind of quiet. He was like, yeah, it's a little it's a little slow

00:22:38 ◼   ► So I don't know what that means, but it's just something that I noticed

00:22:41 ◼   ► In the store, of course that you get to see all the colors, right?

00:22:44 ◼   ► They have them on the table and a couple of quick impressions

00:22:48 ◼   ► The purple is very much what people say it is it is a gray purple now

00:22:53 ◼   ► My Apple Store like a lot of them is like all glass on the front and it faces east

00:22:58 ◼   ► So like there's a lot of morning Sun coming in and the one that was in the Sun looks like purple

00:23:04 ◼   ► But the one in the shadow was like, okay, this is just a gray

00:23:06 ◼   ► We're like someone was painting something purple next door and some paint dust like floated over the fence and set it on this phone

00:23:13 ◼   ► Like it's very subdued. I think it's nice looking but it's not

00:23:17 ◼   ► it's not super vibrant. I do have a little pang of regret about the space

00:23:23 ◼   ► black. I was gonna do the black one and then I got scared that it was gonna look

00:23:28 ◼   ► like some of them the other recent space gray or space black phones graphite where

00:23:33 ◼   ► was kind of like a brownish color like not really black and so I switched to

00:23:39 ◼   ► white and silver which looks fantastic but the black looks really good too. I

00:23:44 ◼   ► I kind of wish I'd stuck with my with my initial pick there, you know

00:23:48 ◼   ► The colors and the pro phones have been boring for a long time

00:23:50 ◼   ► I think the regular iPhone colors are better this year

00:23:54 ◼   ► The I like that the blue is very much like the Sierra blue that the pro was last year

00:23:59 ◼   ► of course, they've got the red and you know, but I

00:24:02 ◼   ► Don't think gold's boring by the way, the gold ain't boring. The gold is its own thing like it's out there being ostentatious

00:24:09 ◼   ► That's the golds now, you know, but gold ain't boring gold looks fantastic

00:24:13 ◼   ► Yeah, you're you're a big gold boy. Mm-hmm Federico you get gold too. Yeah, I mean, yeah me too gold watches

00:24:20 ◼   ► Go, no, I don't have I don't have a gold watch but you should it's great. Yeah, Myke does gold gold grim glasses

00:24:27 ◼   ► Yep, I have a gold wedding ring now gold wedding ring now big gold boy

00:24:32 ◼   ► I think the best colors in recent history are the 10 are still an apple

00:24:36 ◼   ► I don't think as has gone back to those Heights yet, but that was kind of my my pickup and yeah

00:24:41 ◼   ► I just with the podcast-a-thon and then the next day we did like ziplining and went to a football game

00:24:46 ◼   ► I finally got it set up Monday night. Like after you were gone. I was like, okay the hurleys are gone

00:24:52 ◼   ► I can I like sit down and do this. I did the direct transfer which Myke I know you had a lot of problems with

00:24:57 ◼   ► disaster

00:24:59 ◼   ► Mine was perfectly flawless as it has been the last several years and so it does take longer

00:25:05 ◼   ► But I've had good luck with it and look everyone has a horror story about whatever way they pick right like none of these are perfect

00:25:10 ◼   ► You're just gonna have to pick the one that works for you

00:25:12 ◼   ► I know some people still back up to finder and do that whole song and dance over there USB 2.0 lightning port, but

00:25:19 ◼   ► Direct transfer worked for me. It took several hours, of course, and then I did it overnight, right? So I was going to bed

00:25:25 ◼   ► I set it up. I had him both plugged in on my dresser and then the next morning both were done

00:25:31 ◼   ► Right and I had it touch them because I was asleep. It's like both the alarms went off on both phones

00:25:36 ◼   ► That's helpful. But they were like

00:25:39 ◼   ► Slightly out of sync like just it was like it was very strange and I was like what is happening?

00:25:45 ◼   ► Then I remembered I had two phones and you know got it

00:25:47 ◼   ► It was two two day phones, you know day phone one day phone to the migration went really well

00:25:52 ◼   ► The only thing I had to sign back into was YouTube studio and I think YouTube itself but the Google apps like I mean Google

00:25:58 ◼   ► Built terrible iOS app, so I'm not surprised that they don't conform to what they're supposed to

00:26:02 ◼   ► but other than that it has been really smooth and

00:26:07 ◼   ► Yeah, so far admit it's only been two days because I waited because we were so busy

00:26:11 ◼   ► But I've been really happy with it so far

00:26:13 ◼   ► Thoughts on the always on display. It's weird. It takes getting used to I like everyone else who's talked about this

00:26:21 ◼   ► I've had the experience of oh gosh, my phone is on and I actually had it last night. So last night I went to

00:26:27 ◼   ► Like a small group meeting thing and had my phone out on this guy's coffee table

00:26:32 ◼   ► screen up and

00:26:35 ◼   ► Of course even after like a day I was like, oh, yeah

00:26:38 ◼   ► It's always on but no one else in the room had seen a new phone yet

00:26:41 ◼   ► And they were like like I kept people I kept catching people

00:26:44 ◼   ► See it like no one said anything but I was very aware that like oh

00:26:48 ◼   ► It looks like his phone is just on so I ended up turning it over

00:26:51 ◼   ► But well, I mean it kind of is right because the notifications come in they don't flash up, but they appear so like

00:26:58 ◼   ► Have your peripheral vision you still see the notifications on the screen?

00:27:04 ◼   ► Yeah, which I I want there to be more options for the always-on display so that there are a couple things I would I would like

00:27:11 ◼   ► to see

00:27:12 ◼   ► I would like an option for notifications not to come in and

00:27:16 ◼   ► They just appear like when it when you tap it or pick it up when it sort of comes back to life

00:27:21 ◼   ► The other thing I would like to see is an option to completely get rid of the wallpaper and like just have black

00:27:29 ◼   ► With white or whatever color you're using for the the widgets and the clock

00:27:34 ◼   ► That's more like what Android phones have done like the pixel and some Sam's at some phones have done this a long time

00:27:39 ◼   ► I was late at this party

00:27:41 ◼   ► But I kind of wish I had the option like totally get rid of my wallpaper and have have it a little bit simpler

00:27:47 ◼   ► I think right now the always-on display is like two on

00:27:51 ◼   ► And I'd like to tone it down a little bit. I've come around to the wallpaper

00:27:56 ◼   ► I actually like that the wallpaper is there now like that. I find it to be quite nice

00:28:00 ◼   ► What I would like is for because I mean I choose the notification count option

00:28:04 ◼   ► I would prefer that number to just increment for the notifications to not actually show on the screen

00:28:10 ◼   ► That I would like that that would be a little bit more subdued

00:28:13 ◼   ► For me, that's what I would like but I I felt like you did about the the wallpaper

00:28:20 ◼   ► But with a couple more days of use I've actually come to appreciate it

00:28:25 ◼   ► There is another reason though like for the notifications

00:28:28 ◼   ► It's not just because of the lighting like that, you know, they're appearing on the screen and catching your eye

00:28:32 ◼   ► The fact that if I see a notification on my phone and my phone's on the desk if I tap it

00:28:37 ◼   ► It doesn't actually do anything

00:28:39 ◼   ► Like I can't swipe it away either because I have to wake the screen up first to do that

00:28:44 ◼   ► Mm-hmm, as you see a notification you swipe it to like get rid of it

00:28:47 ◼   ► It doesn't do anything because you need to wake the phone first by tapping the screen or whatever

00:28:53 ◼   ► So like that kind of makes it feel broken in a way so I would prefer if it just

00:28:59 ◼   ► Just incremented the number and I'm thinking maybe I'm gonna turn on that feature of like I

00:29:07 ◼   ► Don't know if you guys had this but I remember face ID came along and you had to like authenticate by looking at the phone

00:29:14 ◼   ► Yeah, yes, right before the notification preview to show I turn that feature off

00:29:19 ◼   ► so my notifications just always came in.

00:29:21 ◼   ► - Me too.

00:29:22 ◼   ► - I'm gonna try turning that feature on

00:29:25 ◼   ► to see if it makes me realize more

00:29:30 ◼   ► when the notification is actionable or not.

00:29:32 ◼   ► Do I want previews to be never?

00:29:35 ◼   ► No, I'm gonna try when unlocked

00:29:37 ◼   ► and maybe I will report back on that.

00:29:39 ◼   ► - I've tried it too, I've just changed that setting.

00:29:42 ◼   ► But yeah, it's like where the lines are drawn

00:29:47 ◼   ► is just a little bit strange to me.

00:29:49 ◼   ► And if you can see these notifications coming in,

00:29:53 ◼   ► like it's just, yeah, it's a little bit weird.

00:29:55 ◼   ► And the other thing from a design perspective

00:29:59 ◼   ► that is really kind of jarring to me, honestly,

00:30:02 ◼   ► is I think I shared with y'all last week,

00:30:04 ◼   ► for a while now I've been running light mode in the day,

00:30:07 ◼   ► dark mode at night.

00:30:09 ◼   ► And the always on display in light mode is pretty jarring.

00:30:14 ◼   ► So like it's dark, right?

00:30:17 ◼   ► notification comes in, it is in kind of its dark mode UI,

00:30:22 ◼   ► but then you tap it or pick it up and it comes back to life,

00:30:25 ◼   ► all the now playing screen,

00:30:27 ◼   ► the now notifications switch to white,

00:30:29 ◼   ► and that's not always a smooth transition,

00:30:33 ◼   ► like it's actually kind of janky looking.

00:30:37 ◼   ► I don't know what they could do there.

00:30:39 ◼   ► Maybe they could--

00:30:40 ◼   ► - Well, you just gotta fix the way you use your phone,

00:30:41 ◼   ► which is dark mode all the time.

00:30:43 ◼   ► - Yeah, which I did for a long time,

00:30:44 ◼   ► and maybe I just go back to it, but--

00:30:47 ◼   ► - Dark mode forever.

00:30:48 ◼   ► - I feel like there's so many things about this phone

00:30:50 ◼   ► that dark mode looks better.

00:30:52 ◼   ► I think always on looks better in dark mode.

00:30:53 ◼   ► I think the dynamic island,

00:30:55 ◼   ► I think it's less obtrusive in dark mode,

00:30:58 ◼   ► but then you don't see some of the fun animation.

00:31:01 ◼   ► Like if you're on a black screen,

00:31:02 ◼   ► the face ID thing comes out

00:31:04 ◼   ► and like a list of little black sheet

00:31:06 ◼   ► and you can't really kind of see the animation

00:31:07 ◼   ► 'cause it's all just dark.

00:31:08 ◼   ► Like you kind of have to like pick your mode now

00:31:13 ◼   ► with more things to consider.

00:31:15 ◼   ► So I just, I want more refinement here

00:31:17 ◼   ► from the always on display.

00:31:18 ◼   ► I don't realistically think I'm gonna get a bunch

00:31:20 ◼   ► of the toggles that I want,

00:31:21 ◼   ► but I'd be willing for Apple to revisit this

00:31:25 ◼   ► and kind of make some more informed decisions

00:31:28 ◼   ► about what's active, what's inactive,

00:31:31 ◼   ► what's the transition state between those things.

00:31:33 ◼   ► Because right now it feels,

00:31:36 ◼   ► it doesn't feel broken by any means,

00:31:37 ◼   ► but I find it surprising the way that it works at times.

00:31:41 ◼   ► - I said it's not great, I don't wanna paint myself,

00:31:42 ◼   ► but I'll say it again anyway,

00:31:43 ◼   ► 'cause I think it's relevant to the conversation.

00:31:45 ◼   ► The way I've come down on it is I think that they have just decided

00:31:48 ◼   ► always on to them means that the phone should look like it's always on.

00:31:52 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:31:52 ◼   ► And I'm not saying I did...

00:31:54 ◼   ► Yeah, they did what it's called, "always on".

00:31:58 ◼   ► I genuinely think that they were like, "We want to make an always on display

00:32:02 ◼   ► and what's going to make ours different is it's going to look like it's always on."

00:32:06 ◼   ► And I've actually come around on that.

00:32:08 ◼   ► Like, I actually kind of like it because it's like that.

00:32:11 ◼   ► I'm not saying it's the right way to go, but I'm thinking that's what they decided.

00:32:17 ◼   ► And when I kind of put myself in that frame of mind, I actually have come around on the idea

00:32:23 ◼   ► more and I like that really it's just a sense of like the phone is dimmed or not dimmed.

00:32:28 ◼   ► And that's it.

00:32:31 ◼   ► Like, you know, I chose my lock screen picture for a reason.

00:32:36 ◼   ► And actually, you know, in the past I've always been a bit like,

00:32:40 ◼   ► like, oh, I don't actually get to see that lock screen image very much because the phone

00:32:44 ◼   ► is off and when the phone's not off, I've opened it, right? Like that's kind of the

00:32:48 ◼   ► way that I do things. Now I see this image all the time. Like I actually now maybe see

00:32:53 ◼   ► an idea of like maybe wanting to set up one of those photo shuffles or something a bit

00:32:58 ◼   ► more because I'm more likely to see the image than ever before. So having that rotate between

00:33:05 ◼   ► a lot of images that I like might be something that I want to do in the future. And also

00:33:09 ◼   ► So it has already pushed me to making some, I've made one so far and I'm going to make

00:33:16 ◼   ► more specific lock screens for different focus modes.

00:33:20 ◼   ► You know, like stuff like that.

00:33:21 ◼   ► So I actually think that there is a benefit in that, but it is a choice that they made,

00:33:27 ◼   ► I think, which a lot of people are not going to like.

00:33:31 ◼   ► Yeah, I think that, I think, you know, judging from the outside, I think they did exactly

00:33:36 ◼   ► what it's called. It's called Always On because it looks like it's always on. And I think

00:33:42 ◼   ► that that's where the problem lies because a lot of people saw Always On display and

00:33:47 ◼   ► they thought, "Oh, it's going to be like on Android." So some people had expectations

00:33:52 ◼   ► for... Let's say that some people had expectations for a feature that instead of being called

00:33:57 ◼   ► Always On was going to be called Kinda Off, which is what some Android phones do. It looks

00:34:03 ◼   ► kinda off, but it's not, because it shows you some very basic elements.

00:34:07 ◼   ► So some people wanted to have the kinda off mode, whereas Apple went always on, which

00:34:11 ◼   ► is like, we show you basically everything in a dim state.

00:34:15 ◼   ► I do wonder if that becomes an option in the future though, because I could easily see,

00:34:19 ◼   ► you know, a page in settings, where you go in and you're like, you know, do you want

00:34:24 ◼   ► to have this minimal mode or do you want to have the true always on mode?

00:34:29 ◼   ► I mean, Apple has done customization for wilder things lately.

00:34:34 ◼   ► It wouldn't surprise me if, you know, even in a point update,

00:34:38 ◼   ► or let's say even in iOS 17, they introduce a different mode that you can,

00:34:43 ◼   ► you know, you can choose multiple options for the Always On Display, essentially.

00:34:47 ◼   ► So you can turn it off all the way down or just, you know, keep it as it is right now.

00:34:51 ◼   ► I also think right now they're flexing their screen technology a bit, right?

00:34:56 ◼   ► my understanding like always on displays look the way they do on android phones you know that have

00:35:02 ◼   ► been around for a while because it was really a benefit of oled so you had an oled display you

00:35:08 ◼   ► would just light up the pixels that were needed and you'd save battery that way but because apple

00:35:12 ◼   ► uses this ltpo i think it's the the correct organization of letters you can have a display

00:35:19 ◼   ► that just refreshes really slowly like once a minute and that saves battery in its own way

00:35:25 ◼   ► Combined with I'm sure some benefits of OLED and not needing to light the screen up fully or whatever

00:35:30 ◼   ► but it they are flexing that technology and

00:35:34 ◼   ► other companies use it now, but other companies had developed their like

00:35:39 ◼   ► They're always on

00:35:42 ◼   ► Technology

00:35:45 ◼   ► to be

00:35:46 ◼   ► Or they viewed the look of their technology to be a specific kind of thing, right? And so

00:35:51 ◼   ► They do it the way that they do it

00:35:55 ◼   ► visually, say like on Android phones or whatever, even if they have this tech now, because well

00:36:00 ◼   ► they just made their screens to look that way and that's now become the accepted or

00:36:04 ◼   ► like the believed upon standard that it was actually quite minimal in its design.

00:36:08 ◼   ► And so now, you know, I said once a minute that everyone in the chat is saying once a

00:36:13 ◼   ► second they could do it however, the point is they can do it whatever they want.

00:36:17 ◼   ► But anyway, they have this technology where they can, they can more variably refresh what's

00:36:23 ◼   ► on the screen.

00:36:24 ◼   ► Yeah, this is also similar to what's on the always-on displays on the watch which aren't updating once a second

00:36:30 ◼   ► that's kind of the point and

00:36:32 ◼   ► They can save battery that way and they've gone for always on instead of hey

00:36:39 ◼   ► This is a minimal view and the widgets respond a little bit differently because of that too

00:36:43 ◼   ► Like if you're running a timer on the always-on display

00:36:46 ◼   ► It doesn't actually refresh every second you get like a minute and then like in the lip sees

00:36:51 ◼   ► It's some of the decisions around that are a little bit strange. I've noticed that was some third-party widgets as well

00:36:56 ◼   ► I don't know

00:36:57 ◼   ► You know if Apple is doing something to really limit how frequently those can update

00:37:03 ◼   ► outside of the screen technology like maybe they're more

00:37:06 ◼   ► conservative than the screen would allow

00:37:09 ◼   ► But it's another kind of difference when you're in these two modes. I want to talk about the camera for a minute. I feel like

00:37:16 ◼   ► The main camera is not the massive jump forward. I was kind of hoping for

00:37:23 ◼   ► Now I say that with a caveat off

00:37:25 ◼   ► I haven't done much with raw and with raw you get the full 48 megapixels and there's some and there's some amazing

00:37:31 ◼   ► Examples out there. I've been taking some photos with raw

00:37:35 ◼   ► the the difference I

00:37:37 ◼   ► Is unbelievable like the detail that you can get it's blowing my mind

00:37:43 ◼   ► Are you shooting with Halide?

00:37:45 ◼   ► And yes, and I also, because Halide just put the 48 megapixel update out yesterday, before

00:37:51 ◼   ► that I was just toggling it on in the camera, right?

00:37:54 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:37:55 ◼   ► It would make it pretty easy to do that.

00:37:56 ◼   ► Um, I mean, yeah, you need processing, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

00:38:00 ◼   ► But the detail that you can get is unbelievable.

00:38:04 ◼   ► Like, I've kind of come down on the, like, I'm going to shoot some photos that I know

00:38:09 ◼   ► I'm going to go in and tinker a lot with editing wise.

00:38:11 ◼   ► I'm probably going to shoot more of them in raw.

00:38:13 ◼   ► But also, highlight does this really great thing

00:38:16 ◼   ► where it shoots both.

00:38:17 ◼   ► You get a processed image and a raw image.

00:38:21 ◼   ► If I'm taking a photo of something important,

00:38:24 ◼   ► I'm probably going to try and use highlight for that

00:38:28 ◼   ► in the future so I can get both of those images.

00:38:31 ◼   ► So I also have the one that has a ton of detail.

00:38:34 ◼   ► It's really quite impressive.

00:38:38 ◼   ► And it is, I will say, impressive.

00:38:40 ◼   ► The difference is so stark in the detail.

00:38:43 ◼   ► It does make me wonder why they're not pulling more detail

00:38:48 ◼   ► from the processed image.

00:38:50 ◼   ► I don't understand it, but it is a surprise to me

00:38:53 ◼   ► that the sensor has a lot of headroom.

00:38:56 ◼   ► It's cool.

00:38:59 ◼   ► - Yeah, I mean, they're trading off performance

00:39:01 ◼   ► to a degree, right?

00:39:02 ◼   ► 'Cause if you do shoot in raw,

00:39:03 ◼   ► at least in Apple's own camera app,

00:39:07 ◼   ► it is noticeably slower, right?

00:39:09 ◼   ► you get the little spinner and then the preview pops in in the corner.

00:39:12 ◼   ► Takes like two to three seconds.

00:39:13 ◼   ► And so I imagine,

00:39:15 ◼   ► I would imagine that in that rubric of decision-making like

00:39:20 ◼   ► performance is pretty high, right?

00:39:22 ◼   ► You want to be able to take out your phone and shoot a bunch of pictures really

00:39:25 ◼   ► quickly as your kid or dog is doing something cute. But, uh, yeah,

00:39:29 ◼   ► I think you're right. I think if you're shooting like, you know,

00:39:31 ◼   ► a portrait of your significant other and you're in the sun, it's like beautiful,

00:39:35 ◼   ► like, yeah,

00:39:36 ◼   ► flip that RAW on or use something like Halide

00:39:38 ◼   ► that shoots both at the same time,

00:39:40 ◼   ► and then you can contend with them later in editing

00:39:43 ◼   ► 'cause RAW does give you much more control over editing

00:39:47 ◼   ► 'cause so much more data from the sensor is included.

00:39:49 ◼   ► Yeah, I think that's all great.

00:39:53 ◼   ► I'm super happy that 2X is back.

00:39:56 ◼   ► That's such a great zoom length.

00:39:58 ◼   ► I always thought 3X was a bit much,

00:39:59 ◼   ► and the 3X camera has never been spectacular.

00:40:03 ◼   ► It's still not as good as the main shooter this year,

00:40:05 ◼   ► Although I do feel like ultra wide seems noticeably better.

00:40:09 ◼   ► Maybe that's just like a little placebo effect.

00:40:11 ◼   ► I don't know how much they actually improved it,

00:40:12 ◼   ► but seems like the ultra wide is closer to the main

00:40:16 ◼   ► than it ever has been.

00:40:18 ◼   ► And they continue to be fun photos to shoot.

00:40:22 ◼   ► - Yeah, and you can also thank the photonic engine for that.

00:40:25 ◼   ► - Yes, thank you photonic engine.

00:40:27 ◼   ► - Well, like it is on all of them, right?

00:40:29 ◼   ► So like there could be something going on there.

00:40:32 ◼   ► - I've not seen any of the issues

00:40:34 ◼   ► Some people have reported with like the optical image stabilization freaking out

00:40:38 ◼   ► and certain applications.

00:40:40 ◼   ► Apple says there will be an update to Iowa 16

00:40:43 ◼   ► next week that fixes that.

00:40:46 ◼   ► I think the beta, if you're on 16.1, also fixes it.

00:40:49 ◼   ► But some of those videos going around were a little scary.

00:40:52 ◼   ► Yeah. Yeah, seems wet.

00:40:56 ◼   ► The OAS just freaking out and banging the camera all around.

00:41:00 ◼   ► but hopefully that's not a big deal moving forward.

00:41:04 ◼   ► I had a couple of dynamic island things to mention,

00:41:08 ◼   ► because really like the dynamic island stuff is it's taking time for me to

00:41:13 ◼   ► kind of experience things that make me feel a certain way or not about it.

00:41:18 ◼   ► And a lot of it's not even there yet, right? Because live activities, I mean,

00:41:22 ◼   ► I'm running the 16.1 beta and like there's, there's nothing there, right?

00:41:26 ◼   ► It's going to take a while for apps to support it.

00:41:29 ◼   ► >> Mm-hmm. But so there was an interaction that I enjoyed, which I hadn't seen until

00:41:37 ◼   ► today, which was the compact UI for shortcuts is all in the dynamic island now, which is

00:41:42 ◼   ► nice. So you run a shortcut and you get a little icon of your shortcut and it spins

00:41:46 ◼   ► around the camera, like the little progress, which is very cute.

00:41:50 ◼   ► >> And a nice benefit of that is that now if you use custom icons for your shortcuts,

00:41:56 ◼   ► confirmation for your apps. So if you use shortcuts to make custom icons for things

00:42:00 ◼   ► like Safari, right? You want to replace the Safari icon with a custom one, you make a

00:42:04 ◼   ► shortcut that does the open app thing, and now you have a custom Safari icon, great.

00:42:11 ◼   ► With the Dynamic Island, that confirmation banner that used to pop down from the top

00:42:16 ◼   ► of the screen, now it lives in the Dynamic Island. So it's more compact, it doesn't get

00:42:20 ◼   ► in the way. But even better, even if you don't have an iPhone 14 Pro with the Dynamic Island,

00:42:26 ◼   ► That technique of using shortcuts for custom icons is better than before, because those

00:42:32 ◼   ► confirmation banners, they do not block interactions with the screen.

00:42:37 ◼   ► Even if for a split second, but it used to be in iOS 15, that using those icons was very

00:42:44 ◼   ► annoying because if you tapped on a custom icon, you couldn't immediately start swiping

00:42:49 ◼   ► or scrolling on the screen, because that banner for like 0.5 seconds was blocking interactions

00:42:56 ◼   ► with the display.

00:42:57 ◼   ► Now, regardless of whether you have an iPhone 14 Pro or not, that's no longer the case in

00:43:02 ◼   ► iOS 16, because those banners, they do not block interactions with the screen anymore.

00:43:08 ◼   ► But if you have an iPhone 14 Pro, it's even better, because the banner is now a confirmation

00:43:13 ◼   ► thing that Myke mentioned in the dynamic island.

00:43:16 ◼   ► That's really nice.

00:43:19 ◼   ► I have one con with Dynamic Island. It's breaking my muscle memory a little bit with getting

00:43:24 ◼   ► my notifications from Notification Center because sometimes I swipe down but it doesn't

00:43:29 ◼   ► work and it's because I've swiped on a sensor. So like where I'm trying to pull down from,

00:43:38 ◼   ► it's been the same place for a while but it's not working as reliably and I'm finding that

00:43:43 ◼   ► to be annoying.

00:43:44 ◼   ► Because you're swapping down over your selfie camera instead of actual pixels?

00:43:49 ◼   ► Maybe I'll get used to it. Like, if you swipe down from the left of the sensors,

00:43:56 ◼   ► it will definitely do it. Obviously, if you swipe down from the right, it's control center,

00:43:59 ◼   ► which is annoying. And you can, if you get it right, you can swipe down from the middle,

00:44:04 ◼   ► but it doesn't work for me 100% of the time where it does otherwise. So, yeah. Frustrating.

00:44:14 ◼   ► - Federico, what are your plans to get a phone?

00:44:16 ◼   ► - I'll figure them out soon enough.

00:44:19 ◼   ► Like I told you, I will improvise.

00:44:21 ◼   ► And realistically, what's gonna look like?

00:44:25 ◼   ► One day, I will be digging around the Apple website.

00:44:29 ◼   ► I'll select my model.

00:44:31 ◼   ► And very last minute, the Apple store nearby,

00:44:34 ◼   ► if it's gonna have it, I'll tell Silvia,

00:44:35 ◼   ► "Hey, this store has two left.

00:44:38 ◼   ► "Let's drive there and get it."

00:44:41 ◼   ► And that's what I'm gonna do.

00:44:42 ◼   ► - Plan it fast on this.

00:44:43 ◼   ► I don't want to do the whole thing.

00:44:45 ◼   ► Yeah, I don't want to do the whole thing where you buy it

00:44:47 ◼   ► and you got to wait for five or six weeks.

00:44:49 ◼   ► Nah.

00:44:50 ◼   ► I don't, like I'm already waiting for furniture.

00:44:54 ◼   ► I don't want to have another thing

00:44:55 ◼   ► that I'm supposed to be waiting for delivery.

00:44:58 ◼   ► Let alone, I'm just going to swing it.

00:45:00 ◼   ► But you know, when the day comes,

00:45:03 ◼   ► I will improvise and go there and pick up one in person,

00:45:08 ◼   ► like the good old days.

00:45:09 ◼   ► - This is a very different, like,

00:45:13 ◼   ► I'm not used to this energy from you.

00:45:16 ◼   ► 'Cause I remember like the,

00:45:20 ◼   ► the like real chaotic energy you had that day

00:45:25 ◼   ► when the phone was gonna be delivered,

00:45:28 ◼   ► but it wasn't gonna arrive in the end.

00:45:29 ◼   ► - Yeah, that was rock bottom for me.

00:45:32 ◼   ► - You just, okay, you know what?

00:45:33 ◼   ► Now I get it.

00:45:34 ◼   ► You just decided I don't wanna feel like

00:45:36 ◼   ► any of this way anymore.

00:45:38 ◼   ► Fine. - Nope, exactly.

00:45:38 ◼   ► - I appreciate it.

00:45:40 ◼   ► - I don't wanna have the day one pressure.

00:45:42 ◼   ► I don't want to have the delivery pressure.

00:45:45 ◼   ► When I know that I can buy it in person,

00:45:48 ◼   ► I'm going to be there, pick it up,

00:45:50 ◼   ► open it in front of the Apple Store person,

00:45:53 ◼   ► confirm that the screen looks good, and drive off.

00:45:56 ◼   ► Wait, why are you going to confirm

00:45:57 ◼   ► that the screen looks good?

00:45:58 ◼   ► What's that?

00:45:59 ◼   ► Sometimes you've got dead pixels.

00:46:02 ◼   ► I've always done this.

00:46:03 ◼   ► Interesting.

00:46:04 ◼   ► Yeah, people do it all the time.

00:46:06 ◼   ► They open it up and they--

00:46:08 ◼   ► at the Hello screen, it's all white.

00:46:10 ◼   ► You can see a dead pixel pretty easily.

00:46:12 ◼   ► You just tell the person, "Hey, can you open this up and confirm it looks good?"

00:46:15 ◼   ► Yeah, and they're like, "Yeah, do it."

00:46:17 ◼   ► They actually tell you, "Do you want to start the setup here?"

00:46:19 ◼   ► I'm like, "Yeah, no, I just want to confirm that it looks good."

00:46:23 ◼   ► That's a pro tip.

00:46:24 ◼   ► You don't want to go home and have that pixel on your screen and then you've got to go back.

00:46:28 ◼   ► This is the thing that annoys me when people are like, "This is a 'allow me' for two minutes."

00:46:35 ◼   ► But this whole thing that I've seen lately with, "Oh, AppleCare is my case," that is

00:46:41 ◼   ► silly and I don't get it because the people who say that are people who somehow have the

00:46:47 ◼   ► time and patience to always go to the Apple store to get it exchanged. The real pro tip

00:46:54 ◼   ► is don't break your phone because I mean, what you're rich and you don't and you have

00:47:01 ◼   ► all the time in the world to always go to the Apple store and get it exchanged. Like

00:47:06 ◼   ► what? Is it just like going to a coffee shop to exchange an iPhone? Do you understand the

00:47:10 ◼   ► whole thing that it becomes, make sure you have a backup and give it to a person. And

00:47:16 ◼   ► then you've got to make sure that you have a secondary iPhone if they tell you, "Look,

00:47:20 ◼   ► it's going to take a couple of days," or, "It's going to take five hours." What? You're

00:47:23 ◼   ► not going to get text messages for five hours or two days? Like, how much time do you have?

00:47:27 ◼   ► Are you Warren Buffett that you're just going to have a person that just is going to come

00:47:32 ◼   ► in and give you another phone that's already pre-configured for you? That is so silly.

00:47:37 ◼   ► would you say AppleCare is my case? No, a case is a case. AppleCare is insurance.

00:47:41 ◼   ► Yeah, and also sometimes you go to AppleCare and they won't replace your horribly scratched

00:47:45 ◼   ► phone because they say it's not broken enough. And I see these nerds on Twitter and they

00:47:51 ◼   ► make it so easy. Yeah, just go to the Apple Store. Like, what is your job? Going to the

00:47:55 ◼   ► Apple Store out of sheer pleasure on a random morning because AppleCare is your case? I...

00:48:03 ◼   ► (laughs)

00:48:03 ◼   ► Wow.

00:48:04 ◼   ► Man, nerds.

00:48:05 ◼   ► Wow.

00:48:06 ◼   ► Didn't expect all of that.

00:48:09 ◼   ► I did realize though,

00:48:10 ◼   ► you've made this out to be like, you've changed, right?

00:48:13 ◼   ► Oh, I used to be in the hustle for the iPhone on day one.

00:48:16 ◼   ► And now you're just relaxed and mature.

00:48:17 ◼   ► You'll just float in the Apple store

00:48:19 ◼   ► in a cloud of something.

00:48:21 ◼   ► What I think has happened is that you now no longer

00:48:25 ◼   ► have the same delivery guy you used to,

00:48:27 ◼   ► and you feel afraid of deliveries

00:48:30 ◼   ► you don't have the fallback of the UPS guy's phone number in the bakery. You're out, you know,

00:48:35 ◼   ► fair point. You're in this new place, you don't know your delivery person, and you're scared,

00:48:40 ◼   ► and you don't have to be scared. It's a good theory. I do miss my previous delivery guy,

00:48:45 ◼   ► but see the thing is I have a doorman now. Oh, look at this guy. Oh, look at him. Like a minute

00:48:51 ◼   ► ago he's like, oh, what are you rich people? You don't have your own doorman to just do it for you?

00:48:57 ◼   ► You can't send your own doorman to the Apple store like a commoner?

00:48:59 ◼   ► Man to the people, I say!

00:49:03 ◼   ► Oh Federico, you shouldn't have said this.

00:49:05 ◼   ► All you're gonna get from me is the truth and nothing but the truth.

00:49:10 ◼   ► And this is the truth, when it comes to deliveries...

00:49:12 ◼   ► Get the doorman to do it.

00:49:13 ◼   ► I mean, we're paying for the guy, it's one of his responsibilities.

00:49:18 ◼   ► I need to know, is he your doorman or is he a doorman for other people as well?

00:49:24 ◼   ► Well, for all the people in the building, I live in an apartment. It's not just my doorman.

00:49:29 ◼   ► I live in a building with multiple apartments and 40 different, no, not 40, but like 30 different

00:49:35 ◼   ► families or something. So yeah, but we all pay a fee, obviously. So just like a rubric person.

00:49:42 ◼   ► No, I'm just saying, you know, it's one of the, you know, it's one of the perks

00:49:48 ◼   ► of these buildings and, you know, the chat wants to know the doorman's name. I don't think you

00:49:54 ◼   ► share that with us but in my mind his name is John I don't know why it just

00:49:57 ◼   ► came to mind look it's so stereotypical no it wouldn't be John it would be

00:50:02 ◼   ► Giuseppe so stereotypical and it's so easy I mean Michael will guess it think

00:50:09 ◼   ► of it first time name that comes to mind Mario yes I can't wait for his brother

00:50:22 ◼   ► to fill in for him one day, you know?

00:50:24 ◼   ► - Oh, imagine that.

00:50:25 ◼   ► Imagine, hey, it's my brother Luigi.

00:50:27 ◼   ► - Just a taller guy.

00:50:28 ◼   ► - He's dressed in green.

00:50:29 ◼   ► - But yeah, so anyway, AppleCare is not your case.

00:50:36 ◼   ► AppleCare is a thing that you have

00:50:39 ◼   ► so you don't pay to get your phone replaced.

00:50:42 ◼   ► Don't make it sound like going to the Apple store

00:50:45 ◼   ► is just like tying your shoes or something.

00:50:47 ◼   ► It's not.

00:50:48 ◼   ► - Fedrick, I need to tell you something.

00:50:50 ◼   ► So Myke has been using a popsocket on his phone for a long time, the phone that he broke, by the way.

00:50:55 ◼   ► Whoa, that had nothing to do with drop. I didn't drop it.

00:50:58 ◼   ► And we were together and he got a MagSafe popsocket, which is terrible. Like it's humongous

00:51:05 ◼   ► and ugly and terrible. And then he said something that really surprised me. I might try it without

00:51:10 ◼   ► a popsocket. So Myke is just going to go, potentially, just full, just no case, no nothing.

00:51:18 ◼   ► And I'm following up Myke. What are you doing? I

00:51:20 ◼   ► Would like to get rid of the pop socket

00:51:23 ◼   ► But the problem is I've gotten so used to being able to stand my phone and watch video or whatever that I don't think

00:51:30 ◼   ► I'm gonna be able to do it. Could I suggest a kickstand system?

00:51:32 ◼   ► No, because it's like it's either I have a I have a pop socket or I have nothing is how I feel and I

00:51:39 ◼   ► Don't think I'm gonna be able to go pop socketless. Hmm to be honest with you

00:51:44 ◼   ► I don't think I'm gonna keep the magnetic one on there. I don't like it

00:51:47 ◼   ► So I might just, yes huge, so I might just go like and get like another pop socket and

00:51:53 ◼   ► put it on this new phone.

00:51:54 ◼   ► But I haven't fully decided yet one way or the other.

00:51:57 ◼   ► I'm using mine in the orange leather case.

00:52:00 ◼   ► My phone is white so it kind of looks like an ice cream treat on the back but the orange

00:52:03 ◼   ► is nice and fun and colorful and once we're firmly into jeans weather, which we are not

00:52:08 ◼   ► even close right now in Memphis, I tend to go caseless wearing jeans because like it's

00:52:14 ◼   ► not going to slip out of my pocket, but wearing shorts or other kind of pants, I'm using the

00:52:19 ◼   ► leather case.

00:52:20 ◼   ► The doorman is my case.

00:52:22 ◼   ► The doorman is my case.

00:52:23 ◼   ► I don't know why you guys find it so funny.

00:52:27 ◼   ► Well, because it's very common here for modern apartments to have one.

00:52:31 ◼   ► I mean, maybe.

00:52:32 ◼   ► I mean, I've never experienced it.

00:52:34 ◼   ► I think you guys are thinking of like American TV shows where like people live in on the

00:52:38 ◼   ► Upper East Side and they have the doorman.

00:52:41 ◼   ► That's exactly what I'm thinking of.

00:52:42 ◼   ► No, it's not one of those doormen with the fancy hat and the suit and everything.

00:52:47 ◼   ► It's not about the hat or the suit, it's just the fact that there's somebody who

00:52:49 ◼   ► sits in the bottom of your building and he greets you and you come in and he takes your

00:52:53 ◼   ► package.

00:52:54 ◼   ► Oh, and he talks.

00:52:55 ◼   ► See?

00:52:56 ◼   ► Right?

00:52:57 ◼   ► Likes to talk.

00:52:58 ◼   ► This is all what I'm thinking of.

00:52:59 ◼   ► Like, it's not about how they dress.

00:53:00 ◼   ► Oh yeah, and he knows everybody's business, right?

00:53:02 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:53:03 ◼   ► He does.

00:53:04 ◼   ► Powerful.

00:53:05 ◼   ► Powerful person.

00:53:06 ◼   ► Yeah, he's got a ton of power, actually.

00:53:07 ◼   ► Do you think he listens to Connected?

00:53:09 ◼   ► Well, no.

00:53:11 ◼   ► I think he spends a ton of time on Facebook, unfortunately.

00:53:14 ◼   ► Yeah, sometimes comes up with these theories about modern society.

00:53:18 ◼   ► Yeah, that's the unfortunate downside of having that kind of--

00:53:23 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:53:24 ◼   ► Still, though, pretty lovable guy.

00:53:26 ◼   ► Has he Googled you yet, do you know?

00:53:28 ◼   ► Huh?

00:53:29 ◼   ► Has he Googled you yet, do you think?

00:53:31 ◼   ► Oh, I believe so, because he made a joke about me spending a ton of time

00:53:35 ◼   ► in front of computers, and I don't believe I mentioned that.

00:53:38 ◼   ► So, told you, you know, it's everybody's business.

00:53:42 ◼   ► So, but I mean, comes with the territory, you know?

00:53:46 ◼   ► Now I don't have to stress about the liveries anymore.

00:53:49 ◼   ► - That would be nice.

00:53:50 ◼   ► - You guys know me, you know, all the stories

00:53:53 ◼   ► about the missing packages from John, from you guys,

00:53:57 ◼   ► from Apple sometimes, like review-

00:54:00 ◼   ► - My calendar last year.

00:54:01 ◼   ► - Your calendar, like that was really stressful

00:54:04 ◼   ► and now that stress is gone.

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00:57:19 ◼   ► It is now time for the event that everyone has been waiting for my god

00:57:24 ◼   ► The TV OS 16 review. Oh my god the my curly review the only one the one and only I was kind of hoping

00:57:32 ◼   ► Everyone would forget to be honest this year. No, we had quite a few emails and tweets about this. We don't get years off. This is a

00:57:40 ◼   ► Responsible. This is a duty that we need to uphold each summer. The TV OS team is hard at work day in and day out

00:57:48 ◼   ► Crafting this operating system. So you have to spend time reviewing it for us

00:57:54 ◼   ► So tell us what's new we are firmly within blinking you'll miss it territory when it comes to tv/os

00:58:00 ◼   ► Such a good opening line. I love it. Thank you. Thank you very much. I

00:58:05 ◼   ► Genuinely believe most users would literally have no idea that their Apple TV had updated

00:58:11 ◼   ► Like when you perform the update it gives you like three features that

00:58:16 ◼   ► tv/os is added and honestly

00:58:19 ◼   ► I have a bunch of features I'm going to tell you about today that even the tvOS update

00:58:24 ◼   ► doesn't tell you has been updated on your Apple TV.

00:58:29 ◼   ► They're seriously underplaying this platform just in general right now, including the platform

00:58:35 ◼   ► itself is underplaying itself.

00:58:37 ◼   ► A prime example of this though is where you will find a subset of the list of new features

00:58:43 ◼   ► for tvOS 16.

00:58:44 ◼   ► It is in a support document.

00:58:47 ◼   ► where you get a list of what is new for tvos 16 for apple tv tvos i think with 16 it may

00:58:57 ◼   ► but i think maybe no they had it with 15 don't even have a page on apple's website anymore

00:59:02 ◼   ► for tvos like at all you there just isn't one there's pages for apple tv apple tv plus

00:59:09 ◼   ► that kind of stuff but there is no longer like a hey here's what's happening they don't

00:59:13 ◼   ► have that. They don't have any kind of visual page for tvOS 16. I hope that this is not

00:59:18 ◼   ► the case going forward, but as of right now, that is the case. And they have like five

00:59:25 ◼   ► features that are on this knowledge base article. One of them is an accessibility feature called

00:59:33 ◼   ► hover text, which is great that they put that in there, but there are many other features.

00:59:39 ◼   ► The biggest feature I think that tvOS has had, I expect from a development standpoint,

00:59:46 ◼   ► is something called cross-device connectivity.

00:59:49 ◼   ► This is not mentioned in tvOS's release notes anywhere, and unfortunately I do think it's

00:59:55 ◼   ► going to be the age-old story of tvOS, of "this is a great idea and unlocks a lot of

01:00:03 ◼   ► really interesting places developers could go to, but I don't think anyone's going to

01:00:08 ◼   ► implement it.

01:00:09 ◼   ► So, this is what it does.

01:00:12 ◼   ► With cross device connectivity, the Apple TV can integrate with other devices like your

01:00:17 ◼   ► watch, your iPhone and your iPad to "unlock new experiences" on Apple TV.

01:00:22 ◼   ► So for example, you could make a fitness app, like Fitness Plus, that could gather data

01:00:30 ◼   ► or show data with a companion watch app or a companion iPhone app.

01:00:36 ◼   ► So you could be looking at something on your TV and the iPhone app could be giving you more information

01:00:41 ◼   ► So, you know potentially could do some playing field leveling the Fitness Plus although I have no doubt that Fitness is Plus thing

01:00:48 ◼   ► You cannot do that. Like you can't tie into the activity rings or whatever

01:00:53 ◼   ► But I thought it could maybe enable something like I've spoken about this before that I would love TV OS in general

01:01:01 ◼   ► to get a feature like Amazon's X-ray, which is where you can be watching something on

01:01:06 ◼   ► Amazon Prime and get information about who's on screen

01:01:10 ◼   ► What else is in the frame that kind of stuff? I

01:01:13 ◼   ► Figured maybe you know, it's imagine Netflix. For example, they could have and you could be watching something on the TV app and then the

01:01:20 ◼   ► Maybe on the Netflix phone app, you could be seeing information about other stuff that's on screen at that moment

01:01:27 ◼   ► I figured you could create say a second screen experience to sports games

01:01:32 ◼   ► So you could be watching a football game and get score updates on your iPad or whatever. That'd be cool

01:01:38 ◼   ► That's that's one of like my favorite features of Amazon Prime video

01:01:42 ◼   ► Like if you're watching it will show you like who's in the scene

01:01:45 ◼   ► What other stuff they've been in I really find it really useful cuz I don't know about y'all

01:01:50 ◼   ► But I feel like every time I watch something

01:01:51 ◼   ► because I'm terrible at this like I know I've seen this actress in something else right and

01:01:56 ◼   ► Prime just surfaces it for you and this would be such a cool way to bring that to you know

01:02:00 ◼   ► the place where we watch the most TV in the living room and

01:02:03 ◼   ► So I wish they would do this

01:02:05 ◼   ► I think we should Apple would do this for Siri, but they've got to do it

01:02:08 ◼   ► But in theory other companies could do this kind of stuff now

01:02:12 ◼   ► I figured you could probably have it as a way to make some interesting multiplayer game experiences too, right if the devices can communicate

01:02:19 ◼   ► So these are all like potentially really cool ideas, you know, but I don't expect to see it because

01:02:25 ◼   ► Because stuff like this gets added to TVOS, but developers don't adopt it.

01:02:30 ◼   ► User profiles.

01:02:32 ◼   ► So that user profile thing, which is something that I think they've added some new functionality

01:02:36 ◼   ► in TVOS 16 to let you create them on the device more easily.

01:02:42 ◼   ► Developers can tie in.

01:02:43 ◼   ► So Netflix can tie in so you don't ever have to see the Netflix "Who is this?" screen,

01:02:49 ◼   ► right?

01:02:50 ◼   ► When you go onto Netflix and it's like you choose the profile, you can tie that into

01:02:54 ◼   ► TV OS's profile, so you just do it at a system level.

01:02:57 ◼   ► But no developers are tying into it

01:02:59 ◼   ► because they don't care what Apple TV is doing.

01:03:04 ◼   ► They don't care.

01:03:05 ◼   ► Like there's such a standoffishness.

01:03:08 ◼   ► You know, like you think it's bad.

01:03:09 ◼   ► Like, you know, we complain about Google, right?

01:03:13 ◼   ► And they're like their apps on iPhone,

01:03:14 ◼   ► on iPad and stuff like that.

01:03:17 ◼   ► This is just par for the course of TV, right?

01:03:19 ◼   ► Like the major apps on the TV,

01:03:21 ◼   ► they don't care about anything that the Apple TV is doing, right?

01:03:26 ◼   ► Like, you're lucky if they'll integrate with the TV app,

01:03:30 ◼   ► but they don't use any of the UI stuff, right?

01:03:33 ◼   ► Like, you know, like the fun, like the way you get the--

01:03:35 ◼   ► What is that called? I don't remember the name.

01:03:37 ◼   ► I should know this as the TV guy.

01:03:38 ◼   ► Where they did it with the, like, the tiles where they can kind of move,

01:03:43 ◼   ► and they--

01:03:44 ◼   ► - The parallax?

01:03:45 ◼   ► - No, and they brought it with the--

01:03:46 ◼   ► It was the underlying technology for the--

01:03:48 ◼   ► - The focus engine.

01:03:49 ◼   ► - Thank you, focus engine, right?

01:03:51 ◼   ► So they don't even do that.

01:03:52 ◼   ► - Dynamic engine focus.

01:03:53 ◼   ► - Yes, exactly.

01:03:54 ◼   ► The photonic focus engine, focusonic engine.

01:03:57 ◼   ► But they don't even do that, right?

01:03:59 ◼   ► I hope to be proven wrong,

01:04:01 ◼   ► but I don't expect to see a lot of this happening.

01:04:03 ◼   ► Talking about fitness though,

01:04:06 ◼   ► Fitness Plus will now show

01:04:07 ◼   ► what is called intensity metrics on screen.

01:04:10 ◼   ► So this is when it's like,

01:04:11 ◼   ► there's parts of a Fitness Plus workout

01:04:13 ◼   ► where they're like, now's the time to push.

01:04:15 ◼   ► They're gonna show more of that on the TV screen.

01:04:17 ◼   ► Like if you do it on an iPad or an iPhone,

01:04:20 ◼   ► already seeing some of this, more of that is going to show up there.

01:04:24 ◼   ► TVOS now supports HDR10+, so there's a new feature called Buddy Controller, which I think

01:04:30 ◼   ► is really cool.

01:04:31 ◼   ► You do this in TVOS's settings, so if you have say two, because you can now support

01:04:36 ◼   ► Nintendo Switch controllers, so let's imagine you now have two Nintendo Switch controllers,

01:04:41 ◼   ► and you're playing with somebody who has maybe different accessibility needs, or maybe you're

01:04:45 ◼   ► playing with children, you can combine two controllers to essentially be one controller.

01:04:50 ◼   ► So you can have multiple controllers, multiple people. So you could have one person maybe

01:04:56 ◼   ► who's doing the jumping and one person who's doing the movement. And I thought, you know,

01:05:00 ◼   ► like parents can maybe if they're playing a game with their kids, maybe they're struggling

01:05:04 ◼   ► on it a little bit, they can just like, you know, just sneakily help them out. So I think

01:05:07 ◼   ► that's a cool feature. Luckily, this is a feature which is just in Apple settings and

01:05:12 ◼   ► Game developers don't need to do anything. Thank goodness because no one would do anything

01:05:17 ◼   ► Right. I mean I guess for this to work you have to have a game you want to play on tvOS

01:05:22 ◼   ► But that's a different topic. Apple arcade. There's stuff. There's some stuff. Yeah, there's some stuff

01:05:27 ◼   ► We now have new rich previews for Apple TV plus content in the TV plus section

01:05:34 ◼   ► So that's good multiple language text input support

01:05:39 ◼   ► This is literally one of the three features that they tell you about

01:05:42 ◼   ► when you update to tvOS 16.

01:05:46 ◼   ► I wouldn't necessarily say that this is a banner feature

01:05:50 ◼   ► But it's one that they really want you to know when they when they tell you when you update. It supports personalized spatial audio

01:05:57 ◼   ► With AirPods, of course, let's not get wild you can't do the setup on tvOS

01:06:02 ◼   ► But if you've already done the setup with your AirPods for personalized

01:06:06 ◼   ► Spatial audio on iOS you can go and it will support that profile that you've created for yourself on the TV

01:06:12 ◼   ► I don't think I've ever ever used AirPods with my Apple TV. I just always forget something that I could do

01:06:16 ◼   ► Yeah, I don't ever really think about it too. It got easier when they start doing the automatic switching thing

01:06:23 ◼   ► Yeah, although with the TV it just asks you all the time

01:06:26 ◼   ► Which I think is good rather than actually doing the switching sure they handled that right there

01:06:31 ◼   ► But it is a feature that's available to you if you want it unlike their other products where your AirPods just skip around for

01:06:37 ◼   ► Reasons that cannot be comprehended sometimes. I was at by and large I use that feature and by and large

01:06:42 ◼   ► I find it to work pretty well

01:06:44 ◼   ► I need to try it again then because I turned it off in the early days and haven't looked back

01:06:47 ◼   ► But as we discovered on Friday during the podcast a thon

01:06:50 ◼   ► Using AirPods 2 is a far worse experience in AirPods Pro in a bunch of different ways that are interesting

01:06:58 ◼   ► So maybe the new ones will work out for me.

01:07:02 ◼   ► Apple TV and TV OS supports the My Sports feature.

01:07:06 ◼   ► This is like one of their new cross-platform things

01:07:09 ◼   ► where you can tell something somewhere in Apple's platforms,

01:07:13 ◼   ► hey, I like the sports team, and then it

01:07:15 ◼   ► will follow you across platforms from thing to thing.

01:07:18 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:07:19 ◼   ► You know what I'm thinking now?

01:07:20 ◼   ► I wouldn't be surprised if that's one of the things

01:07:23 ◼   ► that TV OS tells you about if you're in America.

01:07:26 ◼   ► Maybe, I don't...

01:07:28 ◼   ► So my thing that I'm telling you,

01:07:29 ◼   ► there's these three things.

01:07:31 ◼   ► That's what I saw when I updated.

01:07:33 ◼   ► It is possible that in other markets,

01:07:35 ◼   ► they're showing you other features like My Sports,

01:07:37 ◼   ► which I think is just a US thing.

01:07:38 ◼   ► And I would be surprised if it didn't show.

01:07:40 ◼   ► Yeah, and I actually don't think it's,

01:07:43 ◼   ► I don't think it's out.

01:07:44 ◼   ► Like I'm in the news app and I can't find it anywhere.

01:07:47 ◼   ► That may also be because...

01:07:48 ◼   ► One thing I do want TVOS to be better at is

01:07:51 ◼   ► if you're watching a game,

01:07:55 ◼   ► don't send me notifications about that game on the TV.

01:07:59 ◼   ► So if you're watching a movie and you have,

01:08:02 ◼   ► like for me, like I have, you know,

01:08:04 ◼   ► watch a lot of Memphis Tiger football games, for instance,

01:08:05 ◼   ► and it's like, oh, Memphis kickoff is in five minutes,

01:08:09 ◼   ► or there's a close score of the Grizzlies game.

01:08:11 ◼   ► It's like, if I'm already watching it,

01:08:13 ◼   ► I don't need the TV app to send me a notification

01:08:16 ◼   ► that the score is close,

01:08:17 ◼   ► because I can see that the score is close.

01:08:19 ◼   ► And I understand that Apple like doesn't want to know

01:08:21 ◼   ► what you're watching and for privacy reasons,

01:08:24 ◼   ► and that's great, like I think that's all really good,

01:08:27 ◼   ► but maybe a little bit, a little bit of knowledge

01:08:30 ◼   ► about what I'm doing would be helpful.

01:08:32 ◼   ► - That is weird that it does that,

01:08:35 ◼   ► I didn't know that it did that.

01:08:36 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's like, oh, Memphis kicking off.

01:08:37 ◼   ► - It's not doing anything to try and work out

01:08:39 ◼   ► that maybe you're watching it.

01:08:40 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's like, yeah, I know, Apple,

01:08:42 ◼   ► I can see it with my eyes.

01:08:44 ◼   ► - Like many platforms, support for Matter is coming later.

01:08:50 ◼   ► I guess this will probably be TVOS 16.1

01:08:53 ◼   ► is when it will likely ship.

01:08:55 ◼   ► 'Cause I know that iOS 16.1 has a settings panel for Matter.

01:08:59 ◼   ► So, you know, but I expect Matter is going to be

01:09:02 ◼   ► an important thing for TVOS.

01:09:04 ◼   ► TVO, the Apple TV is probably most people's,

01:09:08 ◼   ► at least one of their home hubs if they have that at home.

01:09:11 ◼   ► I think it makes a lot of sense to have that

01:09:12 ◼   ► or a HomePod be the home hub rather than an iPad.

01:09:16 ◼   ► And Matter is gonna be supported on the Apple TV.

01:09:20 ◼   ► - Yeah, that's good.

01:09:22 ◼   ► I understand that the iPad is maybe more likely to have

01:09:25 ◼   ► than these other products, but it always seems strange to me

01:09:28 ◼   ► that it could be a home hub.

01:09:29 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:09:30 ◼   ► - 'Cause you could just walk out the door with it.

01:09:31 ◼   ► And I've had my Apple TV set up my home hub forever,

01:09:36 ◼   ► and I've never had it really cause any issues.

01:09:39 ◼   ► It's always there, right?

01:09:40 ◼   ► Like I don't travel with my Apple TV or anything, so.

01:09:43 ◼   ► - Well, it's always plugged into.

01:09:44 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's just always there under the TV,

01:09:46 ◼   ► like quietly doing its thing.

01:09:48 ◼   ► - It's kind of it.

01:09:49 ◼   ► - Okay.

01:09:50 ◼   ► and I stretched it, but I have a conclusion.

01:09:53 ◼   ► - Ooh, that's important.

01:09:55 ◼   ► - I learned from all of the review greats

01:09:57 ◼   ► that you've got to have an intro and a conclusion,

01:09:59 ◼   ► which I've given you today.

01:10:01 ◼   ► And the most of my work was put into the intro

01:10:03 ◼   ► and the conclusion.

01:10:04 ◼   ► The rest of this was just digging around online.

01:10:07 ◼   ► I would like to thank Apple Insider, MacRumors,

01:10:10 ◼   ► and 9to5Mac for giving me some of these features.

01:10:14 ◼   ► I don't know where they got them

01:10:15 ◼   ► because Apple sure doesn't want to tell you about them.

01:10:18 ◼   ► I think if what we have right now, like with what I've just spoken to you about, is Apple's

01:10:24 ◼   ► intended plan for year over year changes, like if this is what they were like, "Yeah,

01:10:30 ◼   ► this is what we want tvOS to be, just this kind of amount of change."

01:10:35 ◼   ► I actually believe that they would have just rolled tvOS into iOS now in the way that they

01:10:41 ◼   ► do with the HomePod.

01:10:43 ◼   ► So like the HomePod gets some very basic features each year and HomePod gets its own software

01:10:50 ◼   ► update but it's really it's kind of iOS right like iOS kind of is there and you update it

01:10:56 ◼   ► on the phone and it does its whole thing.

01:10:58 ◼   ► Or like the studio display for that matter.

01:11:00 ◼   ► Yeah right like it you update the studio display via software update on the Mac it's actually

01:11:05 ◼   ► part of a Mac OS update more than anything else.

01:11:08 ◼   ► And I feel like if this was their intention, that they would have just done that.

01:11:14 ◼   ► So I do still feel like there are bigger things on the horizon for tvOS with new hardware

01:11:20 ◼   ► areas that they can move into.

01:11:22 ◼   ► But we have to wait for that to materialize, I think, before tvOS can make bigger jumps.

01:11:28 ◼   ► If they go into really pushing different types of HomePod devices and TV devices, it could

01:11:35 ◼   ► all be a part of tv os or like a new operating system that kind of that home os or something

01:11:40 ◼   ► encapsulates all of it you know like i would love to have a tv os that's got an integrated

01:11:46 ◼   ► like a tv that's got an integrated home pod sound bar and like a camera so i could do

01:11:50 ◼   ► family facetime calls or whatever right like but i think for tv os to make bigger leaps

01:11:55 ◼   ► it needs to have more than just that little box because i think we've pushed it to its i think

01:12:03 ◼   ► they've pushed it to some of its logical conclusions now.

01:12:05 ◼   ► Now, as I said before on the show,

01:12:07 ◼   ► there are things that I want to see tvOS do,

01:12:09 ◼   ► but I don't know if they're necessarily

01:12:11 ◼   ► what Apple wants to do because some of it's going to require

01:12:13 ◼   ► business model changes that I don't think

01:12:15 ◼   ► that they're wanting to do, right?

01:12:17 ◼   ► But if we're going to see maybe bigger jumps for tvOS,

01:12:21 ◼   ► I think there needs to be some hardware.

01:12:23 ◼   ► Or what we're seeing with tvOS 16 is the beginning

01:12:27 ◼   ► of the rolling in of tvOS to iOS,

01:12:29 ◼   ► with like this continued downplaying of tvOS's

01:12:33 ◼   ► own platform, it doesn't get mentioned at WWDC keynotes, it doesn't get its own pages,

01:12:39 ◼   ► really and by and large it's just benefiting from things that the other platforms are getting

01:12:45 ◼   ► because it needs to support them. I think that 2023 could be a pivotal year for Apple TV

01:12:54 ◼   ► and its place in the home if there's going to be new hardware for it and I hope that it,

01:12:59 ◼   ► I hope genuinely it gets a bigger place. I love my Apple TV. It's how I consume all of my streaming media content.

01:13:06 ◼   ► I think it's a great platform and it is even best when everyone's on the same page with it.

01:13:12 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:13:12 ◼   ► I can get all of my content in the TV app, all that. I think it works great.

01:13:17 ◼   ► Could I interest you in a new window management system for tvOS?

01:13:20 ◼   ► I mean the thing is like when Federico's right in his conclusions, like usually people don't just like pop in with their comments.

01:13:27 ◼   ► You know what I mean? Like I was building into a thing here, you know.

01:13:30 ◼   ► It's a solemn moment. Please continue.

01:13:33 ◼   ► But although they actually could do with a better picture-to-picture system.

01:13:38 ◼   ► Yes. Agreed.

01:13:38 ◼   ► Some kind of window management there actually might not be a bad idea.

01:13:43 ◼   ► Nevertheless, I think that advancement to tvOS has to start with hardware.

01:13:48 ◼   ► Like Apple's always talking about their strength for the integration of hardware and software.

01:13:53 ◼   ► And right now their TV efforts with hardware is showing the weakness in software.

01:13:58 ◼   ► They don't actually have anything to integrate the software with. Nothing's changing.

01:14:03 ◼   ► So, tvOS 16. That's it.

01:14:07 ◼   ► Well done.

01:14:09 ◼   ► Underwhelming.

01:14:11 ◼   ► I actually really enjoyed the review though.

01:14:13 ◼   ► Thank you.

01:14:14 ◼   ► See, the thing is, this whole segment, it kind of started off as a meme,

01:14:20 ◼   ► But I actually really dig it.

01:14:23 ◼   ► You're not going to learn about this anywhere else.

01:14:26 ◼   ► So I am actually taking it now as a service that I provide to the passionate ones.

01:14:33 ◼   ► Yeah, thank you.

01:14:34 ◼   ► I actually like the intro and the conclusion and your thoughts, and I agree with you.

01:14:39 ◼   ► I think the next obvious step for this is hardware, otherwise this is pretty much it.

01:14:46 ◼   ► I guess the only thing I would add as a consideration is what's the plan here for the

01:14:53 ◼   ► eventual headset? Like, there's got to be something in terms of when you're wearing something and

01:15:00 ◼   ► you're staring at a big screen, I'm guessing that'll be some kind of compatibility there.

01:15:05 ◼   ► So maybe they can still, you know, they can still get by with just a small little puck that you

01:15:11 ◼   ► you place next to your TV and the TV shows content that is somehow compatible with the

01:15:17 ◼   ► headset but I don't know. As it stands right now it's kind of boring and I agree with you.

01:15:22 ◼   ► I would love to have proper TV with a HomePod and an Apple TV all in one but it doesn't

01:15:28 ◼   ► exist and this is all we get and yeah, kind of underwhelming. But thank you.

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01:17:17 ◼   ► Uh, but we're gonna talk next week cause I should have mine on Friday.

01:17:20 ◼   ► I think we're also going to get into watchOS 9 a little bit.

01:17:22 ◼   ► Maybe one of the only tech podcasts that you listen to, but one of the

01:17:26 ◼   ► hosts has actually decided to buy that thing, so we might as well wait and

01:17:29 ◼   ► talk about your actual experiences rather than what other reviewers have thought.

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01:17:36 ◼   ► doing it purely for yourself, but I appreciate that you're doing it because they made it

01:17:40 ◼   ► orange. But we did want to talk about iOS 16.1 and in particular, iPadOS 16.1. Federico,

01:17:48 ◼   ► you continue to document the rather horrific state of stage manager on the iPad. Has 16.1

01:17:57 ◼   ► fixed it?

01:17:59 ◼   ► [LAUGHTER]

01:18:00 ◼   ► And it's getting worse.

01:18:03 ◼   ► So I'm in a complex situation right now,

01:18:08 ◼   ► because I feel like I've gone through--

01:18:12 ◼   ► stage manager with IPadOS, I feel like I've gone through--

01:18:16 ◼   ► it's like a relationship.

01:18:19 ◼   ► And in the beginning, it's all love and hugs,

01:18:25 ◼   ► and we love each other, and we're so happy together.

01:18:28 ◼   ► And then very quickly in this accelerated timeline,

01:18:31 ◼   ► you start to see the flaws and the problems

01:18:34 ◼   ► of the other person, or in this case, a software feature.

01:18:39 ◼   ► Hey, I'm not weird.

01:18:40 ◼   ► Look, I'm just making a point.

01:18:42 ◼   ► And then eventually you get to, you grow, you know,

01:18:44 ◼   ► if you don't find common ground,

01:18:46 ◼   ► if you don't find the resolution for your issues,

01:18:50 ◼   ► you get to despise each other.

01:18:54 ◼   ► And I feel like I've seen all these stages this summer.

01:18:58 ◼   ► Because when I started off with Stage Manager,

01:19:02 ◼   ► obviously it was incredible, right?

01:19:05 ◼   ► The idea of using multiple apps at the same time,

01:19:07 ◼   ► going beyond two, using three, four, that's great.

01:19:11 ◼   ► Like, I wanted to have that.

01:19:14 ◼   ► And I was willing to put up with the idea

01:19:17 ◼   ► of overlapping windows,

01:19:20 ◼   ► because the implementation seemed pretty decent.

01:19:23 ◼   ► And even though I didn't need overlapping windows,

01:19:26 ◼   ► I could get by, I figured.

01:19:30 ◼   ► I was a little bit unsure about the design,

01:19:32 ◼   ► and as I pointed out in my iPadOS 16 preview story in July,

01:19:37 ◼   ► there were a ton of issues, a ton of problems,

01:19:40 ◼   ► technically speaking, and the external display integration

01:19:43 ◼   ► was not working at all, and there were a ton

01:19:45 ◼   ► of questionable design decisions, but I figured,

01:19:48 ◼   ► hey, I can use multiple apps at the same time,

01:19:52 ◼   ► and that's cool.

01:19:53 ◼   ► And over time, we've gone backwards, honestly,

01:19:58 ◼   ► and we're still, and in the latest beta of i4s 16.1 beta 2,

01:20:03 ◼   ► I feel like we're still going backwards

01:20:08 ◼   ► in terms of stability and just,

01:20:12 ◼   ► I am experiencing at the moment constant crashes.

01:20:16 ◼   ► M.G. Sigler put it so well on Twitter.

01:20:19 ◼   ► It's really that at the moment in iPadOS 16.1 Beta 2,

01:20:24 ◼   ► using iPadOS feels like Desmond in "Lost"

01:20:28 ◼   ► where when he needed to put in the numbers in the console

01:20:31 ◼   ► every 30 minutes or so,

01:20:33 ◼   ► and the crashes in iPadOS are just like that.

01:20:35 ◼   ► It feels like I'm on a timer when I'm working on the iPad,

01:20:38 ◼   ► because every 20 minutes or so, it's gonna crash,

01:20:42 ◼   ► and it's gonna close all my windows,

01:20:43 ◼   ► and I'm taken back to the lock screen.

01:20:45 ◼   ► It's very bad.

01:20:48 ◼   ► It's very bad.

01:20:49 ◼   ► The thing about Stage Manager is that, well, two things.

01:20:53 ◼   ► One, Apple is still adding things

01:20:57 ◼   ► and sort of throwing things at the wall

01:21:00 ◼   ► and seeing what sticks and making concessions

01:21:04 ◼   ► for design decisions that probably should have been made

01:21:09 ◼   ► two months ago instead of now.

01:21:11 ◼   ► Case in point, you can now shift click

01:21:17 ◼   ► windows in the strip on the left side of Stage Manager to add the window to your workspace.

01:21:25 ◼   ► So normally when you click a window you switch between workspaces, but now if you Shift+Click

01:21:32 ◼   ► you add that window from the strip into your workspace. Does this also work from the dock?

01:21:41 ◼   ► There it is. No, it doesn't. It doesn't work from... So you do it so late in the game,

01:21:51 ◼   ► but you do it halfway. But then at this point I wonder, okay, you were so set. And when I say this,

01:21:59 ◼   ► I say this because I know what I'm talking about. You know what I mean? If you were so set on saying

01:22:05 ◼   ► we believe the strip, it lets you switch between workspaces because that's what people do when

01:22:11 ◼   ► they click on windows, which is questionable thinking from a design perspective, but OK,

01:22:16 ◼   ► I'll buy it.

01:22:18 ◼   ► Now in late September you decide, well, although I guess if you shift click maybe you want

01:22:23 ◼   ► to add a window to the workspace.

01:22:24 ◼   ► I mean, great, but at this point I wonder, should it just make it an option in Stage

01:22:30 ◼   ► manager and let people choose when you click a window, do you want to add it or do you

01:22:36 ◼   ► want to switch.

01:22:37 ◼   ► And if you hold down a modifier, it toggles the behavior.

01:22:40 ◼   ► Like, just do that instead of shipping half an option.

01:22:45 ◼   ► Second, now, and this is still part of the first thing, I'll get to the second thing

01:22:50 ◼   ► in a minute.

01:22:52 ◼   ► change is that now you have almost pixel by pixel repositioning of windows, but only if

01:23:05 ◼   ► a window covers two other windows in the background and only on the x axis. So only horizontally.

01:23:15 ◼   ► I was trying this out today and I thought something, like I couldn't understand what

01:23:21 ◼   ► was happening because it wasn't working but it was because the window was ever so slightly

01:23:26 ◼   ► larger than the one behind it. Why is that the thing? Why is it only that way? Why do

01:23:33 ◼   ► they add like these half features? I don't get it. Stop adding new half features! Why?

01:23:41 ◼   ► So that's the thing, right? They started off with this. This is exactly the problem we

01:23:47 ◼   ► talked about a month ago, when it's like you're so set on having to ship a feature, but you're

01:23:55 ◼   ► making these half concessions now to try and please people who are criticizing your thing,

01:24:02 ◼   ► and you think you're fixing the problem, but instead you're just digging yourself a deeper

01:24:06 ◼   ► hole and the problem is going to get deeper and deeper.

01:24:09 ◼   ► Because let's go back to June.

01:24:11 ◼   ► In June, a lot of people were saying, "Okay, you did multi-windowing, but you're not giving

01:24:17 ◼   ► us exact control over the position of the windows.

01:24:21 ◼   ► If you're going to do Mac-like multitasking, just do it right and let me control windows."

01:24:26 ◼   ► And Apple was like, "No, no, no.

01:24:28 ◼   ► It's called stage manager.

01:24:29 ◼   ► Like it's literally in the name.

01:24:31 ◼   ► Like it's called stage manager because it manages the position of windows for you."

01:24:37 ◼   ► And so now, in late September, you make a concession on the very feature that's in the

01:24:44 ◼   ► name of the thing.

01:24:46 ◼   ► So now you get to actually fully manage the position of a window, but with a bunch of

01:24:53 ◼   ► asterisks.

01:24:55 ◼   ► Only if it covers two windows, and only horizontally, I can reposition a window vertically.

01:25:03 ◼   ► - You've proven that it is technically possible to do this.

01:25:07 ◼   ► - Yes, yes.

01:25:09 ◼   ► - So...

01:25:10 ◼   ► - Okay, and that concludes the first thing.

01:25:14 ◼   ► The second thing is, I was taking a look yesterday

01:25:18 ◼   ► and then this morning again at the Verge article,

01:25:21 ◼   ► look at the latest Windows 11 update.

01:25:25 ◼   ► They have a 2022 update, whatever it's called, it's out now.

01:25:30 ◼   ► You should update, there's a bunch of features.

01:25:32 ◼   ► One of them is even more controls and more options

01:25:34 ◼   ► for the tiling window mechanism that Windows has long offered

01:25:39 ◼   ► and that it's gone even better in Windows 11.

01:25:43 ◼   ► And I shared it on Twitter.

01:25:45 ◼   ► Go take a look at that GIF that I shared

01:25:46 ◼   ► because it gives you an idea.

01:25:48 ◼   ► And I, as fancy writers would say, I posited this question.

01:25:53 ◼   ► Imagine if iPadOS 16 got this version of multitasking,

01:25:59 ◼   ► and improved split view with a ton more controls

01:26:03 ◼   ► for tiling windows.

01:26:05 ◼   ► And so now, see, I'm thinking, right?

01:26:08 ◼   ► So I'm thinking about Stage Manager,

01:26:09 ◼   ► because I'm supposed to write about it

01:26:12 ◼   ► at some point in the very near future.

01:26:14 ◼   ► And I'm asking this question,

01:26:18 ◼   ► would anybody be upset if Stage Manager went away

01:26:23 ◼   ► and instead you got a better split view?

01:26:26 ◼   ► And I keep thinking about this,

01:26:28 ◼   ► Like, does anybody want overlapping windows?

01:26:33 ◼   ► Did Apple misinterpret what people wanted?

01:26:37 ◼   ► And instead, they tried to sell us on this feature

01:26:41 ◼   ► where all we wanted really was a better split view.

01:26:45 ◼   ► Because the thing that I don't get is that on the Mac,

01:26:49 ◼   ► I could make an argument,

01:26:50 ◼   ► even though, as I wrote many times before,

01:26:53 ◼   ► like I'm not a fan of overlapping windows,

01:26:56 ◼   ► But I can make an argument for it on Mac OS,

01:26:59 ◼   ► because Windows overlap.

01:27:00 ◼   ► And beneath the windows, you see your desktop.

01:27:05 ◼   ► And so you've got that two-way relationship, right,

01:27:08 ◼   ► between Windows and stuff, documents, files, whatever,

01:27:12 ◼   ► on your desktop.

01:27:13 ◼   ► And you've got that bridge in between them, right?

01:27:16 ◼   ► So it's like, yeah, the windows overlap.

01:27:17 ◼   ► Because if you imagine you're blowing--

01:27:20 ◼   ► you blow the windows away, you see your desktop.

01:27:23 ◼   ► And you see your files.

01:27:24 ◼   ► Sort of like you have that layering going on.

01:27:28 ◼   ► And you don't have that with Stage Manager on iPadOS.

01:27:31 ◼   ► So what's the point of the windows overlapping?

01:27:36 ◼   ► If you're gonna be spending most of your time

01:27:40 ◼   ► resizing windows in a grid,

01:27:42 ◼   ► or some fashion of a grid on iPadOS,

01:27:47 ◼   ► why do they need to overlap?

01:27:50 ◼   ► Like, you're seeing nothing beneath them.

01:27:54 ◼   ► You don't see your home screen.

01:27:56 ◼   ► And even if you did, you can't place documents

01:27:58 ◼   ► on your home screen.

01:28:00 ◼   ► What's the point of making them overlap?

01:28:02 ◼   ► And I keep thinking about this.

01:28:04 ◼   ► Is this a case of Apple trying to be

01:28:07 ◼   ► too fancy for its own good?

01:28:10 ◼   ► We were all asking for better multitasking and better

01:28:14 ◼   ► external display integration.

01:28:15 ◼   ► And Apple heard that as, oh, you want

01:28:18 ◼   ► Mac-like overlapping windows.

01:28:20 ◼   ► And we're like, no, no, no.

01:28:22 ◼   ► We don't necessarily need that.

01:28:25 ◼   ► Just give us better controls for split view.

01:28:28 ◼   ► And I don't know.

01:28:30 ◼   ► I keep thinking about this idea.

01:28:32 ◼   ► But at the same time, I'm feeling like, well,

01:28:35 ◼   ► if Apple is going for it, I don't

01:28:37 ◼   ► want to be the guy left behind.

01:28:39 ◼   ► We've seen people who are like, oh, I'm stopping using

01:28:46 ◼   ► the iPad.

01:28:47 ◼   ► I'm not doing that.

01:28:49 ◼   ► If these are moving on with the times, I am begrudgingly moving on with the times, I suppose.

01:28:56 ◼   ► And so I'm trying Stage Manager, I'm trying to like it, but the more I use it, you know,

01:29:01 ◼   ► set aside the technical stuff that's so broken right now.

01:29:03 ◼   ► Like, I'm trying to use it.

01:29:05 ◼   ► From a mere design perspective, I'm like, "Why?

01:29:10 ◼   ► Why am I looking at overlapping windows right now?

01:29:15 ◼   ► Why are they overlapping with each other?

01:29:18 ◼   ► I don't get it.

01:29:19 ◼   ► And I'm realizing that I, myself, am using Stage Manager.

01:29:24 ◼   ► This is-- by the way, thank you guys for letting me vent

01:29:28 ◼   ► all these frustrations and ideas,

01:29:29 ◼   ► because this is good practice for the review.

01:29:32 ◼   ► But I'm realizing that all I'm doing, essentially,

01:29:35 ◼   ► is using the resize indicator a bunch every day.

01:29:40 ◼   ► Because all I'm doing is I'm carefully

01:29:42 ◼   ► resizing windows to make them fit

01:29:45 ◼   ► into some MOSAIC-like grid view.

01:29:49 ◼   ► That's all I'm doing,

01:29:50 ◼   ► which is precisely what I dislike about overlapping windows.

01:29:54 ◼   ► And that's where I'm at with Stage Manager.

01:29:57 ◼   ► Bugs on one side and questionable design on the other.

01:30:02 ◼   ► And I'm like in the middle

01:30:03 ◼   ► trying to make sense of all of this.

01:30:06 ◼   ► And I just keep thinking about this alternate timeline

01:30:10 ◼   ► where Apple didn't go for a Mac-like feature,

01:30:14 ◼   ► but instead improved upon an iPad native design.

01:30:19 ◼   ► But that's, you know, not what we have.

01:30:22 ◼   ► So.

01:30:23 ◼   ► - I don't really know what's gonna happen.

01:30:25 ◼   ► I can't put my finger on what's gonna happen here.

01:30:28 ◼   ► Exactly.

01:30:29 ◼   ► - Like to get even, to ask an even simpler question.

01:30:34 ◼   ► Does anybody love stage manager?

01:30:37 ◼   ► - I'm sure people do.

01:30:38 ◼   ► Like I know I understand what you're asking,

01:30:41 ◼   ► but you've got to assume there's at least some people

01:30:44 ◼   ► like this is what I want.

01:30:46 ◼   ► Really?

01:30:47 ◼   ► You think there are?

01:30:48 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:30:49 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:30:50 ◼   ► Takes all kinds Federico, you know what I mean?

01:30:53 ◼   ► Like there's got to be some people that are like this is what I want.

01:30:58 ◼   ► Really?

01:31:00 ◼   ► Instead of a better split view?

01:31:02 ◼   ► I don't know.

01:31:04 ◼   ► Okay.

01:31:05 ◼   ► Right?

01:31:06 ◼   ► Well.

01:31:07 ◼   ► Well, as James, James is making a joke, but I think it's a good point.

01:31:12 ◼   ► I bet the stage manager designer does. There are people inside of Apple that think this

01:31:16 ◼   ► is the way to go. Like I'm not saying they're right, I'm not saying they're wrong, but like

01:31:19 ◼   ► you got to assume that there's at least one person inside of Apple who's like, we nailed

01:31:23 ◼   ► it here.

01:31:24 ◼   ► There's a ton of smart people. Like I'm just wondering if maybe this is a Mac feature that

01:31:27 ◼   ► made a lot of sense on Mac OS, some sense on Mac OS, and they thought, oh, this is also

01:31:35 ◼   ► what the iPad people want, you know, time saved. We're just going to build it once,

01:31:39 ◼   ► ship it on two platforms.

01:31:40 ◼   ► it started. Like I do, what did this start on the Mac or did this start on the...

01:31:45 ◼   ► According to an article that apparently got taken down off the internet, it started on

01:31:49 ◼   ► the Mac like 10 years ago.

01:31:51 ◼   ► Exactly. And it used to be called Shrinky Dink on Mac OS X. But here's my other question.

01:31:59 ◼   ► If that design was scrapped, maybe that was for a reason? I'm just saying, but I will

01:32:08 ◼   ► say...

01:32:09 ◼   ► it works better on the Mac though right? It's so much better on the Mac. Yeah so.

01:32:14 ◼   ► And so I gotta wonder isn't it funny that the one time, the one time Apple

01:32:22 ◼   ► shipped a Mac like feature on iPad instead of doing an iPad first thing

01:32:30 ◼   ► look at what's happening. Like I don't think it's a coincidence so far I mean

01:32:35 ◼   ► there's been tons of people who didn't like split view, didn't like slide over

01:32:39 ◼   ► but not this kind of criticism, not this kind of outcry.

01:32:43 ◼   ► - Well, and not the kind of bugginess either, right?

01:32:46 ◼   ► Like even if you like the way it works,

01:32:48 ◼   ► if it crashes all the time,

01:32:49 ◼   ► it doesn't matter how good you think it is, right?

01:32:53 ◼   ► - Yep.

01:32:53 ◼   ► - I do worry that in an effort to align the iPad and Mac

01:32:58 ◼   ► with this feature, that they're making something

01:33:01 ◼   ► that is like not great on either platform,

01:33:04 ◼   ► like the compromises are too high.

01:33:07 ◼   ► I don't know how they get around that

01:33:08 ◼   ► because they sure seem set on like,

01:33:10 ◼   ► okay, this feature is gonna be on your Mac and your iPad

01:33:14 ◼   ► and they work the same way except in places they don't.

01:33:16 ◼   ► It just seems like such a mistake

01:33:18 ◼   ► because these platforms are so different.

01:33:21 ◼   ► I mean, I remember when this was rumored,

01:33:23 ◼   ► really thinking like, oh yeah, great.

01:33:24 ◼   ► Like overlapping windows make a lot of sense on the Mac.

01:33:27 ◼   ► They can make sense on the iPad.

01:33:29 ◼   ► I think they still could,

01:33:30 ◼   ► but I think the details around how Apple has done this

01:33:33 ◼   ► on the iPad just, they just don't make sense.

01:33:36 ◼   ► Yeah, and honestly, personally speaking,

01:33:39 ◼   ► it's kind of heartbreaking, really,

01:33:41 ◼   ► in the sense that all these years that we've been talking

01:33:45 ◼   ► and I've been writing these reviews

01:33:47 ◼   ► and pointing out all these instances

01:33:50 ◼   ► in which Apple was rethinking macOS features

01:33:53 ◼   ► for a different type of computing device,

01:33:55 ◼   ► for a different type of platform.

01:33:58 ◼   ► And now instead, it's almost as if they just gave up

01:34:01 ◼   ► and they were like, "Yeah, I guess we'll give them

01:34:04 ◼   ► the overlapping windows and the Mac feature,

01:34:07 ◼   ► because that's what they wanted.

01:34:09 ◼   ► It sort of lacks enthusiasm and it lacks, well,

01:34:13 ◼   ► you know, passion that we had before.

01:34:16 ◼   ► Like, what are the people who came up with Split View

01:34:20 ◼   ► and Slide Over and then when they changed Slide Over

01:34:23 ◼   ► and they let you put multiple apps in Slide Over

01:34:26 ◼   ► and then they thought of the shelf.

01:34:28 ◼   ► Like, I'm genuinely missing the shelf

01:34:31 ◼   ► and that's saying a lot.

01:34:33 ◼   ► if you remember, you know, the shelf that Apple did.

01:34:38 ◼   ► But like, where's that type of like out of the box thinking,

01:34:42 ◼   ► like, okay, let's rethink multitasking here.

01:34:44 ◼   ► It's just like, yeah, I guess we gave up everybody.

01:34:48 ◼   ► We just gave them desktop like multi-windowing.

01:34:51 ◼   ► That's it.

01:34:52 ◼   ► It's kind of sad, honestly.

01:34:54 ◼   ► I wouldn't want to be you right now.

01:34:56 ◼   ► [Laughing]

01:34:59 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:35:00 ◼   ► [Laughing]

01:35:01 ◼   ► Like for so many reasons, like one that you have a professional obligation to write about this, right?

01:35:10 ◼   ► You're going to one way or another write about this.

01:35:14 ◼   ► But also like everyone's looking at you and they're like this is what you wanted, right?

01:35:19 ◼   ► Like this is what you want. You wanted this. You asked for this. This is your feature for you on your platform.

01:35:27 ◼   ► And I wouldn't want to be in that situation.

01:35:30 ◼   ► And what's even worse is that I started off in June at WWDC with so much enthusiasm for

01:35:37 ◼   ► this and so much optimism.

01:35:38 ◼   ► Most surely Apple is going to improve this.

01:35:40 ◼   ► Shortly there's going to be, you know, for those of us who don't like manually resizing

01:35:45 ◼   ► Windows, surely there's going to be support for presets via shortcuts.

01:35:49 ◼   ► And they're going to ship this, right?

01:35:50 ◼   ► Because they're going to ship this because a manager said so.

01:35:53 ◼   ► And because they're stuck on this idea that this is going to happen in October because

01:35:59 ◼   ► a future iPad next spring is gonna... gotta have Stage Manager, we can't delay this because

01:36:05 ◼   ► also there's basically no other feature in iPadOS, so they're gonna ship this. They're

01:36:09 ◼   ► gonna do it.

01:36:10 ◼   ► The Stage Manager manager will get their way.

01:36:13 ◼   ► Stage Manager manager takes the stage. You're convinced that they're gonna do that? You're

01:36:19 ◼   ► convinced they're gonna ship it?

01:36:21 ◼   ► If there was a time to push this out to next year to cancel this or delay this, it was

01:36:26 ◼   ► last month and instead of the cancellation we got a delay in October. They're gonna do it.

01:36:31 ◼   ► Right, because at this point it's too... they can't keep iPads on 15 for much longer, right?

01:36:40 ◼   ► Like they have to push it and now this is so into the system it seems I guess too hard to pull out.

01:36:46 ◼   ► I don't... that I don't know, but what I hope is that at the very least and look,

01:36:55 ◼   ► I mean, look at us, we're begging for these things and I think it's kind of ridiculous.

01:36:59 ◼   ► I would say if you really think you gotta do it, disabled by default, no splash screens,

01:37:09 ◼   ► no promotional boxes that pop up to tell you about it, disabled. No promo messages,

01:37:18 ◼   ► and it's labeled as a beta. Make it super optional to get into, and you don't even get the default

01:37:26 ◼   ► toggle in Control Center. Wow, just bury it. Hide it. Bury it for people who really want it.

01:37:31 ◼   ► The one instance in which I would say enable it, put it up and show it, put up a promo message,

01:37:40 ◼   ► when you connect an external display. In that case, put up the promotional thing, like,

01:37:47 ◼   ► "Hey, this is stage manager." Like, in that case, yes.

01:37:50 ◼   ► Otherwise, for most people, no.

01:37:52 ◼   ► At least not in this current version.

01:37:55 ◼   ► But yes, Myke, what you said about me feeling like,

01:38:00 ◼   ► you know, that scene from "The Simpsons"

01:38:02 ◼   ► where everybody's looking at Bart, and they're like,

01:38:04 ◼   ► "Come on, do the thing, do the thing."

01:38:06 ◼   ► I feel like that. Like, everybody looking at me

01:38:08 ◼   ► be like, "You're happy, right? You must be so happy."

01:38:11 ◼   ► Like, "Ha, yeah. I'm so --" You know, looking around,

01:38:15 ◼   ► I'm so happy. It's awkward. Yeah.

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