412: It's Strong! It's Tough!


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00:00:02   Hello and welcome to Connected episode 412.

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00:00:19   My name is Stephen Hackett and I'm joined

00:00:20   by Mr. Myke Hurley.

00:00:22   Hello.

00:00:23   Are you okay?

00:00:25   I was drinking water when you were talking.

00:00:28   Instead of just waiting like a sensible person, I decided I would drink the water really quickly

00:00:34   and that made everything way worse.

00:00:37   I am joined by a more competent podcaster, Federico Vittucci.

00:00:42   Hello, I am not drinking water and it's good to be here.

00:00:46   You should, in general.

00:00:48   Okay, okay, let me drink water then, jeez, okay.

00:00:51   Please.

00:00:51   Here, I'm drinking water.

00:00:52   It's good to be hydrated.

00:00:54   I got some too.

00:00:54   Good to be hydrated.

00:00:57   One of the most important things as a podcaster is to be hydrated.

00:00:59   Water's good, you know?

00:01:01   Yeah.

00:01:02   So it's a good drink.

00:01:03   Let's start with some follow-up.

00:01:05   Myke, I have good news for you.

00:01:07   Excellent.

00:01:08   Your mobility wear solitaire game is on Apple Arcade.

00:01:12   Incredible.

00:01:13   Who knew?

00:01:15   Caleb knew.

00:01:16   Caleb sent this in.

00:01:17   Yeah.

00:01:18   You need to download this and write a review on Mac stories.

00:01:21   I don't want to do that.

00:01:23   That is like a job which I wouldn't enjoy, I think.

00:01:27   But I'm happy that it still exists.

00:01:30   I don't really like Solitaire that much.

00:01:32   So this is like a similar thing of like there was just not many games

00:01:36   because John Voorhees also had "Jurbo Match" or whatever it was called

00:01:41   in his top 10.

00:01:42   I think it was just there wasn't a lot of apps, right?

00:01:45   So everybody downloaded what was there.

00:01:48   Yeah, it was "Oh, this looks fun. I'll check it out."

00:01:50   And I remember too, I think we probably spoke about this last week,

00:01:53   Part of it was just like the exploration of what was possible, right?

00:01:57   Because we just didn't know, you know, what developers could do.

00:02:01   And so I felt like for a long time, every new app I downloaded, like, it really didn't

00:02:06   add like new functionality or new experience to the iPhone.

00:02:10   That hasn't been true in a long time for the most part, but it's cool to look back.

00:02:16   That was a lot of fun last week.

00:02:18   On the last episode I surprised you both by letting you know that Shazam used to be a

00:02:24   call in service. A couple of days later Apple celebrated Shazam turning 20 years old and

00:02:30   noting that it used to be a call in service. Shazam launches as a text message service

00:02:36   August 2002. Based in the UK, at the time users could identify songs by dialing 2580

00:02:42   on their phone and holding it up as the song played. They were then sent an SMS message

00:02:45   telling them the song title and name of the artist. It comes from Apple's newsroom blog.

00:02:50   What's the international prefix for the UK? +44? +44, yep.

00:02:55   You're gonna try and call them? 0044 2580.

00:03:02   I don't know if it works anymore. Do you have music playing?

00:03:06   Well, I can. Let's see.

00:03:08   If it works.

00:03:09   Open music.

00:03:11   I mean, realistically, it would have been easier if you would have just asked

00:03:15   me to do this no it's not working you want me to try yes instead it's probably

00:03:23   makes more sense right let me see what happens two five eight zero that's good

00:03:30   it's just one straight line down it's a good number oh that's clever calling

00:03:35   please tell me somebody picks up tell them you're on a podcast nothing's

00:03:41   actually happening oh no it just says calling but there's no actual sound

00:03:46   that's sad your phone needs a cooling system like Federico's did in the pro

00:03:51   show mm-hmm yeah get connected pro co I don't think it's active okay it's not

00:03:57   active anymore that's what a ride though to go from a dial-in service in the UK

00:04:02   to being a option and control center on the iPhone like not sure I appreciate

00:04:09   the UK part of that. I mean just that it started in one country I didn't mean it

00:04:13   as a slide against your nation. Alright but here's the thing though no because if

00:04:17   if this would have started in America you wouldn't have said USA you you

00:04:21   wouldn't have said oh imagine that to have started as a call-in service to the

00:04:24   USA. Don't Casey list me I will not be Casey list. No you're Casey listing me is what's

00:04:30   happening. Federico you understand what I'm saying right if they would have been

00:04:34   an American service he wouldn't have said USA.

00:04:36   Hmm, yeah. Right? He wouldn't have said, oh, imagine that as a phone service in America

00:04:42   and now you're in control centers. Yeah, it was said in a slightly, not pejorative

00:04:49   way, but like, oh, from this cute small, quaint country in Europe, the UK. You may have heard

00:04:56   of it. Yeah. But most Americans refer to other countries like that.

00:05:02   Can you guys give me two minutes to go answer my door?

00:05:05   So now look at this.

00:05:07   He's backing away from the podcast.

00:05:09   You guys keep talking.

00:05:10   Whatever you say I'm going to leave in unless I decide not to leave it in.

00:05:13   I think I'm just going to wait until he comes back.

00:05:15   I don't have anything funny enough to say.

00:05:17   Unless you do Federico, do you have any grievances you want to air about Steven?

00:05:21   About Steven?

00:05:22   Well, not in particular.

00:05:27   He's a good person, you know.

00:05:28   He's a good man.

00:05:29   Oh, this is...

00:05:30   Now he will leave this in.

00:05:32   I don't have anything bad to say about Steven.

00:05:35   Every time I ask him for favors, he does them.

00:05:38   And very quickly also.

00:05:40   Should we just swear a bunch?

00:05:42   Before we started the recording, at all, Federico very excitedly told me,

00:05:50   to which I became very excited, that there's a new Arctic Monkeys album coming this year.

00:05:54   Mm-hmm.

00:05:55   So that's good news.

00:05:56   That's good, excellent news, called "The Car".

00:06:00   The car. That's the name of the album, The Car. You get to listen to and you're in the car?

00:06:04   Yeah. The car in the car? The car in the car. I'm kind of just waiting though.

00:06:11   Where has he gone even? I bet this is something to do with his calendar.

00:06:16   Hey. Oh hey. Was that something to do with your calendar? Was it the postman?

00:06:22   Well it was the FedEx man. Myke you know what this is. Secrets. Already? It's right here.

00:06:29   Oh, is it good? I don't know. Do we do a live unboxing? Just tell people what it is?

00:06:34   Yeah. Every September, we're just gonna do this. Relay FM raises money for St. Jude Children's

00:06:40   Research Hospital. It's a hospital and research institution that serves kids and their families

00:06:46   from all over the world. Their research is shared freely around the world and every September we

00:06:51   raise money for their work. This year, if you go to stjude.org/relay, you will see two options.

00:06:58   One, you can donate directly like you always have,

00:07:01   and there's some really cool rewards for that.

00:07:04   But if you want to sign up and do your own fundraising team

00:07:09   and fundraise alongside us and get your family

00:07:11   and friends and coworkers involved,

00:07:13   there's a different set of really cool rewards for that.

00:07:18   - Incentives, incentives I think is the legal word

00:07:21   we're supposed to use.

00:07:22   - One of them, I got the test print.

00:07:25   We did a desk mat of the co-founder sticker head artwork.

00:07:30   Oh.

00:07:34   My gosh.

00:07:39   - So I have just put in the Discord

00:07:41   and people can see it stjude.org/relay.

00:07:44   You can scroll down and see an artist's rendition

00:07:47   of the desk mat.

00:07:48   - Oh my God.

00:07:49   - But Steven just received the first test sample

00:07:52   of the desk mat. - This is incredible.

00:07:53   - Come on, I need a picture.

00:07:55   Okay, let me, it's really big.

00:07:56   I need to sit on my floor, hang on.

00:07:58   - So I'll talk a little bit more.

00:07:59   So we're gonna be kind of kicking off

00:08:01   the official proper messaging about this next week.

00:08:04   That was the plan, but you can go and see all of this now

00:08:07   at sttude.org/relay.

00:08:08   And as Stephen said, you can give yourself,

00:08:12   and there are a bunch of great rewards for that.

00:08:15   We have a sticker pack, but also some wallpapers.

00:08:17   And this year, just an incredible macOS screensaver

00:08:21   that James Thompson made,

00:08:23   which is just unbelievably incredible.

00:08:26   These will be available and sent out

00:08:27   after the campaign is over.

00:08:29   And so you can donate and that's amazing.

00:08:31   But if you sign up and fundraise on our behalf,

00:08:34   where you'll be fundraising yourself

00:08:36   and you can go out to your friends,

00:08:38   your family, your coworkers, maybe you can stream,

00:08:40   maybe you can share it on your podcast, on your website.

00:08:42   Anybody that raises $1 gets a Relay FM challenge coin,

00:08:47   Relay FM St. Jude challenge coin.

00:08:49   These are only available to people that raise

00:08:51   at least $1 for fundraising themselves.

00:08:54   But if you raise over $250,

00:08:56   you will receive a desk mat of the co-founder heads.

00:09:00   Oh my God, it looks incredible and it's huge.

00:09:02   - Yeah, I put a field notes on it for size.

00:09:05   - It's so good.

00:09:07   - It's really good.

00:09:08   - Wow, it's so good.

00:09:10   I'm getting one soon.

00:09:11   So we'll be doing a lot of streaming throughout September.

00:09:15   Me and Steven will have these on our desks while we stream.

00:09:17   It's incredible.

00:09:19   This looks so much better

00:09:20   I imagined it was going to look. Yes, I am into this. Wow. So, stduid.org/relay. We'll

00:09:27   talk about it more next week, but, you know, don't delay. Start fundraising today.

00:09:32   Oh, that's really good. You just come up with that off the top of your head?

00:09:35   Off the top of my old dome. Yeah, I'm just so amped up and excited after seeing this thing.

00:09:39   Not bad for an old man.

00:09:42   Younger than you.

00:09:43   That's true. Yes, we would love if people would get involved this year.

00:09:49   I rescind it. This was worth you going answering the door.

00:09:52   Yes. Wait, did you say it wasn't?

00:09:54   I was talking trash.

00:09:55   Oh, it was so mad. It's like, I don't understand. This is so unprofessional.

00:09:59   We're in the midst of recording a podcast.

00:10:02   It was lots of things like that, you know?

00:10:03   It's also his company.

00:10:05   I knew that's what it was. I had to go.

00:10:09   It actually wasn't. I didn't say that. I didn't say that. I just didn't like the pressure in the moment.

00:10:14   Well, speaking of pressure in the moment, you want to let people know what happened

00:10:18   on the Club Max Stories Town Hall yesterday?

00:10:21   Yes, so we...

00:10:25   Steven and I contributed to the kind of anniversary of Club Max Stories,

00:10:29   and it was like a Town Hall thing they did in their Discord.

00:10:33   I will say I was encouraged during the Discord to do

00:10:36   a very impromptu quick connected quiz, where I just asked the two of them one

00:10:41   simple question. Basically, could the other guess what the other was just about

00:10:44   to say? There was 100 points on the line. They

00:10:47   they both lost 100 points.

00:10:49   So the overall totals of Steven and Federico

00:10:52   have decreased by 100.

00:10:53   Steven now has 2,873 points.

00:10:56   Federico has 2,201 points.

00:10:59   That is an update for you all, for those keeping score.

00:11:03   Basically nothing's changed except they've both gone down.

00:11:07   - Is there anything else we need to do in follow up?

00:11:08   - I don't think so.

00:11:10   - I mean, we can just skip over that.

00:11:13   - Well, there is a thing that was a topic actually

00:11:15   that I thought had been taken out of the show, but it's been snuck in here and I think we

00:11:20   were just trying to be tricked. Federica, what is in this document?

00:11:24   There's a line of text that says "The fate of the Hackett M2 Air." So, yeah, what's the

00:11:32   fate?

00:11:33   To recap, my wife has been using an M1 MacBook Air with a whatever the small, the LG 4K Ultrafine,

00:11:40   I think it's 21 and a half inches about the same size as the old small iMac and she's using that for a while

00:11:46   she has a

00:11:48   Tiny desk in the corner of our den. I got this m2 air. It was gonna be hers. The m1 air was gonna replace a

00:11:54   2018 Intel MacBook Air the kids have been using for homework and that sort of thing had it all planned out

00:12:01   The problem is that I really like the m2 air and so I you know set it up. I used it for a while

00:12:08   Put Ventura on it and wrote my review which we talked about last week. I've been telling her is like hey, you know

00:12:14   This machine is gonna be yours. We're gonna you know one evening or you know over the course of a day

00:12:19   I'll you know do all the you know, like two or three data migrations necessary to make all this work and

00:12:24   We ended up doing something different so she's decided that she wants to

00:12:31   she doesn't really use her computer that much she's mostly iPad first at home and

00:12:38   And we're talking about redoing our DIN,

00:12:41   it's like the desk was gonna have to move

00:12:43   and we weren't sure where it was gonna go.

00:12:45   And so there's all these other factors

00:12:47   affecting her setup kind of at the same time

00:12:50   as I'm changing these computers around.

00:12:52   Why do you keep laughing?

00:12:54   Be quiet.

00:12:55   So at the end of the day,

00:12:59   she's decided to forego her external display

00:13:01   and just use a notebook.

00:13:03   But she wanted to have something

00:13:07   potentially a little bit bigger than the Air.

00:13:09   So she now has my 14 inch MacBook Pro.

00:13:13   Okay.

00:13:14   Yeah, so she's got the 14 inch MacBook Pro,

00:13:15   she's using it standalone.

00:13:17   I've got the Air.

00:13:18   Okay.

00:13:19   And the kids have the M1.

00:13:20   No, this is fair, Mary wins.

00:13:22   'Cause I thought Mary was about to lose.

00:13:24   That's why I thought this was going.

00:13:25   No, no, no.

00:13:26   Mary wins.

00:13:27   Mary gets a ThinkPad.

00:13:29   No.

00:13:29   I have a great iBook G3.

00:13:32   Yeah, yeah.

00:13:33   It's bigger.

00:13:34   Yeah, and it's orange, what do you want?

00:13:36   I mean, that's what I wanted on this machine.

00:13:37   So she did once, there's a story,

00:13:41   it's on a Mac story somewhere.

00:13:42   I wrote about the clamshell iBook a few years ago

00:13:45   and she modeled it for me.

00:13:46   And I don't know, she hasn't let me live that down yet.

00:13:49   So yeah, that's what we've done.

00:13:51   And man, I gotta say like,

00:13:52   I have this 2018 Intel Air now in my office.

00:13:55   That keyboard is so bad.

00:13:57   I know we talked about it for so long.

00:13:59   And the 2018 was like the final revision

00:14:01   of the butterfly keyboard,

00:14:03   but it sounds and feels like garbage

00:14:05   and the space bar is broken.

00:14:06   So I gotta, I gotta do a repair on that machine.

00:14:08   But it's a, that's where we ended up.

00:14:10   So I've got the Air, she has my 14 inch MacBook Pro.

00:14:14   I do have a user set up on that machine.

00:14:17   I mean, I had to go back to Monterey on it

00:14:19   'cause it had Ventura.

00:14:20   So my user is basically just empty,

00:14:22   but on the occasion that it would be useful

00:14:25   for me to have a machine with HDMI and more inputs,

00:14:29   like, you know, occasionally I get pulled into like

00:14:31   running AV for something at church

00:14:33   or with the scouts or something

00:14:34   that I can use that machine if I need it.

00:14:38   So that's where we ended up.

00:14:40   - Okay, that's ended up pretty well.

00:14:42   - I think so.

00:14:43   Yeah, and she really likes it.

00:14:44   She's been using it and we're gonna disassemble her desk

00:14:48   and I don't know what to do with that LG 4K display,

00:14:51   but I'll find a home for that.

00:14:52   - Send it to Casey.

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00:16:48   - Apple event. - Yeah.

00:16:49   - September 7th.

00:16:51   It was predicted and it is happening.

00:16:54   There is a part in person event,

00:16:58   but it's all gonna be streamed it seems

00:17:03   as kind of as it has been.

00:17:04   I guess the kind of mixture is people will be there

00:17:11   and we'll be able to watch it,

00:17:12   but they will be watching what we see, I don't know.

00:17:16   - Yeah, I don't think we, I mean,

00:17:19   I don't think we super know like on the surface of it,

00:17:23   it seems like it's what it used to be, right?

00:17:26   People are there and then we're watching something.

00:17:29   Whether they're watching real people on stage or not

00:17:32   seems to be unknown.

00:17:34   So I don't know.

00:17:35   - Very good point.

00:17:36   I just make assumptions.

00:17:37   Like I just, they can do,

00:17:40   they did it with way more people at the minute BC, right?

00:17:42   Just sat in the elevator, watch a video.

00:17:44   But this allows for the hands-on areas and the briefings

00:17:49   and that kind of stuff to happen

00:17:50   in the environment that they would like.

00:17:52   Who knows? None of us, right, got invited to go now. No, no, we just all kind of got

00:18:02   emails to say hey, we're all upset. No, that's that's no, we're not. We did this one. I did

00:18:10   this once already this year. Didn't go great. So wasn't Kenan doing it again.

00:18:16   iPhones, Apple Watches, I guess is what we're expecting.

00:18:21   - Yeah.

00:18:22   - Especially now, we're gonna talk about iOS 16.1 later on,

00:18:26   but it seems pretty clear cut now

00:18:27   what will and won't be at this event.

00:18:30   - I mean, it seems like this one's pretty nailed down.

00:18:33   I feel like we've known about the four phone strategy

00:18:36   for a long time now.

00:18:39   And we've read a lot about the Apple Watch Pro

00:18:44   that, you know, Gherman in particular

00:18:46   has written a lot about.

00:18:47   So I don't know if we'll see many surprises here,

00:18:50   hardware wise, the only sort of wild card in my mind

00:18:53   is something AirPods, you know, maybe new AirPods Pro.

00:18:58   - Well, it's about time for the Pro 2 for sure.

00:19:01   Maybe the new Max iteration,

00:19:07   but for sure, like it's about time I think for a second,

00:19:11   for a revision to the AirPods Pro.

00:19:13   It's been over two years, I believe, at this point.

00:19:17   But yeah, hardware-wise, I agree, that's possibly,

00:19:21   I mean, and I mean, there's always the wild

00:19:24   like accessory prediction,

00:19:26   like they're gonna do a new cleaning cloth or something.

00:19:29   (laughing)

00:19:30   You know, new cables. - You just wanna be

00:19:31   in the New York Times again.

00:19:32   - Well, prepare for the grand return of Mr. Vitici

00:19:36   in the New York Times, if they do that.

00:19:37   - Wow.

00:19:39   - You know me, I'm a collector of cleaning cloths,

00:19:43   And yeah, but that's, you know, we'll have to see what they do.

00:19:48   But yeah, I guess I am curious myself

00:19:52   about the positioning of the Apple Watch Pro model.

00:19:56   Because typically, Pro models, like sure, the iPhone Pros

00:20:01   and the iPad Pros are--

00:20:03   they are very broadly aimed at professionals.

00:20:07   Like on the iPad Pro, the Pro features are--

00:20:12   There are some functionalities that, sure, artists

00:20:15   can take advantage of.

00:20:16   But really, pro means best model.

00:20:20   That's what it means.

00:20:21   And same on the iPhone.

00:20:22   Sure, some features are directly aimed at photographers,

00:20:26   but really, pro means this is the best version of the iPhone

00:20:29   that you can get.

00:20:30   There was an article on The Verge,

00:20:32   I think, from last year that pro has lost all its meaning now.

00:20:35   And I kind of agree with that.

00:20:36   Pro just means the more expensive one with more stuff.

00:20:39   So, in the context of the Apple Watch, the rumors that we've heard so far are pointing at a watch

00:20:45   aimed at people who are into extreme sports, and you know, so this is like a rugged version.

00:20:51   And I kind of understand all of that because they want to capture the market

00:20:55   where companies like Fitbit and Garmin are still very much selling these more advanced watches for

00:21:01   those kinds of activities. So watches that you can go multiple days, you can go on a hike,

00:21:06   and it's got a giant battery in it, and it's got more accurate GPS, a more accurate altimeter,

00:21:12   for example, all that kind of stuff. There's still a market of people buying those more advanced

00:21:17   watches. But isn't that too small a niche for Apple to say this is Apple Watch Pro? So I kind

00:21:24   of wonder if, sure, those features will be in the Apple Watch Pro, but the positioning from Apple

00:21:30   will be a little broader so that people like Myke and I, I don't think we are into extreme sports,

00:21:37   last time I checked, but also people like Myke and I could say "you know what, this is the best

00:21:41   version, I'm just gonna get an Apple Watch Pro". I'm curious about that. Yes, I've had that thought

00:21:47   too, like I... if the features of this thing are like "it's strong, it's tough", I was like "I don't

00:21:55   don't need those right. Okay, so Stephen does, but I don't need those features

00:22:02   and even just like so that I mean you know and there's things they could add

00:22:06   to it. Maybe that would be more interested in like for me, bigger screen.

00:22:10   No, I don't think I need the watch to be bigger. So like, but you know some

00:22:14   people would want that and that's not about rugged at all. It's just about

00:22:18   like, oh, do you really love the Apple watch or wouldn't it be better if it was

00:22:22   bigger, which is like you know that's the way it is for for a lot of devices.

00:22:25   So I am intrigued to see what they position this as.

00:22:30   I do agree that like whilst I wanted it to be called Apple Watch Extreme because I thought that was fun,

00:22:35   Apple Watch Pro is probably just a better catch-all name to cover off a bunch of people, right?

00:22:41   Like they can say it's stronger, they can say it's more durable,

00:22:44   but that doesn't make it a rugged sports watch.

00:22:47   But they can say it has longer battery life and a bigger screen

00:22:51   and that kind of appeals to a whole bigger, more broad set of people that way.

00:22:58   Just so it's the pro one, it's just got more of all of it.

00:23:02   So that's the one thing that I'm keeping an eye on.

00:23:06   Everything else seems that we pretty much know what's going to happen.

00:23:11   The mini iPhone is going away.

00:23:13   We're going to get two sizes per line of iPhone 14.

00:23:18   I guess maybe the other area where, and this is also where we get the points usually for

00:23:27   a risky pick for the Ricky's which are coming up, but iOS taking advantage of new stuff

00:23:35   that's exclusive to the 14 line. That's maybe an area where there could be surprises waiting

00:23:42   for us. I'm sure there's going to be some photography related additional like a new

00:23:46   I expect there'll be quite a lot of that for the Pro phone if the things are true, right?

00:23:51   Which is the removal of the notch, the addition of an always-on display.

00:23:57   And I don't know if they'll do software stuff for the camera because the camera on the Pro is

00:24:04   like a physically different thing, potentially, is what the rumors are. It's like a 48 megapixel

00:24:10   camera. So that on its own will be enough. Honestly, I was thinking about this. I hope

00:24:14   that this is the removal of that sweater mode thing. What was it called? Deep Fusion.

00:24:20   Deep Fusion. I hope that the higher megapixel camera means they can get rid of that feature.

00:24:25   Because I a lot of the time don't like what it does to my images and I think they shouldn't need

00:24:33   to do that anymore if they have a higher megapixel camera which will still just be binned down so they

00:24:38   can take advantage of all of the additional information coming from the sensor. I still

00:24:44   think if they are increasing the RAM on the Pro models, I still think that, well, I don't

00:24:54   know, could they do it? But split view on the iPhone, I still think that it would make

00:24:58   sense. Now, I cannot reuse this as a risky pick in our game, because that was my risky

00:25:05   pick for WWDC, but I still think multi-casking on the big iPhones, Apple probably needs to

00:25:14   do more on that front, especially if they're gonna go...

00:25:18   Stage manager is what you're saying.

00:25:21   Stage manager on iPhone.

00:25:22   Stage manager on the iPhone.

00:25:24   I mean honestly, that UI would probably make more sense on a phone with the little cards

00:25:30   that you can swipe away.

00:25:31   It's just a smaller stage.

00:25:32   I mean, at that point, you're kind of remaking web OS, if you think about it.

00:25:36   And you have those little stacks of...

00:25:38   Wouldn't that be wonderful, though?

00:25:39   You have those little stacks of windows that you can swipe away to multitask.

00:25:42   I mean, come on.

00:25:44   Man, I remember when they introduced the Plus phones, and it was like,

00:25:48   "You can turn your phone sideways and everything changes."

00:25:51   I mean, that all just went away.

00:25:53   I will say, Federico, to your point there, like,

00:25:56   the fact that there will be two large phones, if they're going to do it,

00:26:01   they could do it, right? Imagine if they do. I will lose my mind if they do that. I mean,

00:26:07   I would be so happy, honestly. Because I honestly find myself wishing for it all the time. And

00:26:14   if there's a company that can make it look nicer than Android, I mean, Apple can do it.

00:26:21   Just from a fundamental level it works, because picture-in-picture exists, right? Exactly.

00:26:24   I can fill up like a large portion of my phone with picture-in-picture, and I do frequently,

00:26:29   and I can still use my phone, right?

00:26:31   So like, you know, I would love to see it.

00:26:35   You'd love to see it.

00:26:36   - You can have picture in picture on a phone.

00:26:38   You can have a keyboard that floats on one side

00:26:41   or the other side.

00:26:42   I mean, why not have split view at this point?

00:26:44   You can do drag and drop between amps.

00:26:46   I mean, all the parts are there.

00:26:49   But also this is like a major developer related thing

00:26:53   that probably needs to wait for WWDC if they ever do it.

00:26:57   But I mean, on iOS, you're essentially,

00:27:00   I don't want to say that you're scraping

00:27:02   the bottom of a barrel these days

00:27:04   when it comes to innovation on the phone OS,

00:27:07   but also they kind of are.

00:27:09   And I mean, widgets are saving them this year,

00:27:12   but really like what, well, we'll talk about this.

00:27:14   This is sort of the angle that I'm taking for my iOS review.

00:27:17   So we'll talk about this later, but yeah.

00:27:19   - We're doing the Ricky's next week.

00:27:21   So happy for two week notices to come back.

00:27:23   - Yes.

00:27:24   - So happy.

00:27:26   Thank you to whoever did that.

00:27:28   Devin, not having, 'cause we would have had, you know,

00:27:31   we wouldn't have had 10 minutes notice

00:27:33   it probably would have been a bit like a day

00:27:35   and it would have sucked.

00:27:36   So I'm so happy that we get more notice.

00:27:41   - Well, although that means that iOS is coming up very soon.

00:27:47   And I, you know, I'm starting to feel that pressure

00:27:53   of, yeah, it's happening.

00:27:55   I really hope it's not the day after the event. I hope they stick to next week. So we'll see.

00:28:03   What do you think though?

00:28:06   Right? I think they're gonna do the following Monday. My perfect scenario would be the following

00:28:15   Wednesday. So a week from today. When it's event day, obviously. My ideal scenario would be at the

00:28:22   the event or in a press release, they say next week on Wednesday. So I have a full

00:28:28   week to finish everything. But I think it's also very likely that they're gonna

00:28:33   do Monday instead of Wednesday of the following week. Let's try and plan out

00:28:37   some of these dates here and look at my calendar. So I think they're gonna do iOS

00:28:41   on the 12th. So we've got event on the 7th, iOS on the 12th. Are we thinking

00:28:48   iPhones on the 16th? Yeah. So pre-orders on the 9th, right? Where's the September calendar?

00:28:57   So the 9th is Friday. Exactly, exactly. So they could also do... So I mentioned Wednesday because

00:29:03   in the past they have done the new iOS releases on the Wednesday with the new iPhones coming out

00:29:09   on the Friday. They have done this. Although I believe that in the past couple of years they

00:29:14   I've released iOS on a Monday, hence why I'm mentioning the 12 instead.

00:29:21   Maybe they do it on Tuesday. Give it one extra day. It's probably good to be ready for the

00:29:28   12 though. Well, they'll say though, won't they? But mentally now as you're preparing.

00:29:34   I'm preparing for the 12, yeah. So we'll see. How many days do I have? 20?

00:29:43   about 20 days to finish it and edit it. No, like 18 or 19. Well 19, yeah. Yeah. We'll get there.

00:29:55   Eventually. 16th would be nice. Podcastathon day. New iPhones in the morning, provided Stephen can

00:30:06   get one. Yeah, every week. For each of us. Because that's what he had to do before. This is the first

00:30:12   podcast of the Stephen had to buy buy an iPhone for me yep because I was

00:30:17   obviously in America that day did it helpful did it work when you went back

00:30:21   to the UK yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah there are certain bands and this one was the

00:30:28   5g thing could be a problem yeah I've just realized a little worried about

00:30:32   that oh that might be an issue maybe maybe we get your Apple watch here

00:30:38   instead of a phone.

00:30:39   - No, no, no, I can check it.

00:30:40   Like if the current one works, then the next one will work.

00:30:44   'Cause I just, we don't have millimeter wave, right?

00:30:46   So the millimeter wave stuff is like, whatever,

00:30:50   that won't work, but it doesn't currently.

00:30:52   But we have like the regular 5G, whatever that's called.

00:30:54   - Mid-band?

00:30:57   - Something, something, something, yep.

00:30:59   - To be fair, most people in the US

00:31:01   have never experienced millimeter wave either,

00:31:03   so it's fine.

00:31:05   I've seen it one time and I couldn't connect to it.

00:31:09   The phone said it was on there, but it had no data.

00:31:12   So that was exciting.

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00:33:46   Apple has expanded their self-service repair program.

00:33:50   And this was announced a while back

00:33:51   and we got some iPhone components

00:33:54   for select late model iPhones.

00:33:56   And now the M1 MacBook Air, the M1 MacBook Pro

00:34:01   and the 14 and 16 inch MacBook Pros have been added

00:34:06   to the self service repair store.

00:34:08   This is only in the US, but it's supposed to expand outside

00:34:12   beyond the US including Europe later this year unknown.

00:34:17   - Still continues to be later,

00:34:19   but they've said it again like later.

00:34:22   - Yeah, I mean there's some months left, you know.

00:34:25   - Yeah, sure there's laters.

00:34:26   had a moment the other day where I needed to schedule something for three months out. I was

00:34:30   like, Oh, that's during the holidays. I'm like, Nope, I don't like that. So the self service

00:34:37   repair for the MacBook Air and MacBook Pro, there's more than a dozen different repairs for each

00:34:42   model. These include basically everything you think it would write the display, the top case

00:34:48   of battery, which I'm going to come back to in a minute the trackpad with even more coming on again

00:34:54   later. Jason actually over in Six Colors has a full list of all the parts. I would like, I would,

00:35:03   I think we should read this, read this list. What do you guys think? Yeah. How do you want to,

00:35:08   do you have a special way you like this? I think we round robin them. Okay, who starts? Federico

00:35:15   and then Myke and then me. Okay. Okay, wow, this is an easy one. Antenna module, MacBook Air only.

00:35:22   Audio board. Audio board flex cable. MacBook Air only. Battery.

00:35:28   MacBook Air only. Battery Management Unit.

00:35:31   BMU. Flex cable. Bottom case.

00:35:34   Display. Display hinge covers.

00:35:38   Embedded Display Port Flex Cable with Connector Calling.

00:35:42   MBA. MacBook Air. And 13 inch MacBook Pro only.

00:35:48   Fans.

00:35:50   Well there's a parenthesis. No it's good. MacBook Pro only. Yeah the MacBook Air doesn't have any fans.

00:35:59   I/O board, MacBook Air and 13-inch MacBook Pro only. Keycap replacement.

00:36:08   LID angle sensor, LAS, module, 14 inch and 16 inch MacBook Pro only.

00:36:16   Logic board, MagSafe 3 board, 14 and 16 inch MacBook Pro only.

00:36:22   Speakers, MacBook Air and 13 inch MacBook Pro only.

00:36:27   Top case, MacBook Air only.

00:36:29   Top case with battery, MacBook Pro only.

00:36:33   Touch ID board.

00:36:36   trackpad and trackpad flex cable.

00:36:39   USB-C boards, 14 and 16 inch MacBook Pro only.

00:36:43   Beautiful.

00:36:44   It's a lot of parts.

00:36:46   Nice.

00:36:46   Yeah.

00:36:47   So actually it is quite a lot of parts.

00:36:48   I have a couple of questions.

00:36:49   Keycap replacement.

00:36:50   I'm intrigued at that because different, different?

00:36:54   No, all the same, right?

00:36:56   Yeah.

00:36:56   Cause the MacBook Air, yes.

00:36:58   Well, even if they are different, you're ordering against your serial number.

00:37:01   So they would know like if there's some discrete, small difference somewhere

00:37:06   they'll send you the right thing I'm sure. On that you have to provide your

00:37:11   serial number to get access to parts. You can buy the tools without the serial

00:37:16   numbers but this is unlike the iPhone so with the iPhone you just go buy parts

00:37:20   but to buy stuff from the Mac store you have to provide a serial number. 9to5Mac

00:37:26   spoke with the support team and confirmed that you can only swap out

00:37:31   out matching parts.

00:37:33   Basically, you can't use this as a way

00:37:36   to get more RAM for your computer and stuff like that.

00:37:39   - Yeah, this is how, I mean, a hundred years ago

00:37:42   when I was in this business, this is how it worked then too.

00:37:45   Like you were trading like for like parts.

00:37:47   So if you were replacing a logic board

00:37:50   with a two gigahertz core two duo,

00:37:53   you were putting that same logic board exactly

00:37:57   back in the machine.

00:37:58   and Apple verified when you sent parts back

00:38:02   that you weren't doing something like this.

00:38:04   And I would imagine now

00:38:08   that basically everything is the logic board.

00:38:10   Like they're gonna be really, really careful

00:38:13   to make sure people are doing

00:38:15   what they're supposed to do here.

00:38:17   I think it's interesting reading this list too.

00:38:20   It's very clear in reading this

00:38:21   that the MacBook Air and the MacBook Pro,

00:38:23   the 13 inch are the old design

00:38:26   because they don't have MagSafe.

00:38:29   They don't have the USB-C ports as separate daughterboards.

00:38:33   So like on the 14 to 16, if you break the USB-C port,

00:38:37   you're not replacing the whole logic board.

00:38:38   It's its own discrete component

00:38:40   that you fish out of there and plug in a new one.

00:38:43   So it's kind of interesting to see the differences to me

00:38:46   as someone who spent a lot of time

00:38:47   taking these things apart over the years

00:38:49   to kind of see where this line is drawn

00:38:53   between these models.

00:38:55   I'm going to put my serial number in.

00:38:58   - Okay.

00:38:59   - What repair type do we wanna look at?

00:39:04   We've got audio board, battery management,

00:39:06   basically the parts, right?

00:39:08   - Yeah.

00:39:08   - What do you wanna know?

00:39:09   - I think we do logic board.

00:39:11   Let's go for the big one.

00:39:12   - Okay.

00:39:13   Logic board, processing your request.

00:39:16   Man, it's taking a long time.

00:39:19   It's just spinning here.

00:39:20   - It's not a good website,

00:39:21   but we've talked about that before.

00:39:23   - So it pre-fills a bunch of stuff.

00:39:24   So it's pre-filled, 10 core, 24 core GPU,

00:39:28   64 gigabytes memory, two terabyte SSD.

00:39:31   So it's pre-filled that, so I press search.

00:39:34   It will cost $2,550.24 to change the logic board,

00:39:39   which comes with the touch ID board.

00:39:42   And I would, but off the credit,

00:39:45   so you can send the old items back to them.

00:39:48   If they accept them, it would cost me $500 total.

00:39:51   - Right.

00:39:53   - Yeah, it's basically a core charge,

00:39:54   very common in the repair industry.

00:39:57   It's definitely true for cars too, right?

00:39:59   Like if you need an alternator,

00:40:00   they send you your old one back

00:40:02   and you get a discount or something.

00:40:03   So none of that's super unusual.

00:40:06   I mean, there are some, you know,

00:40:10   there are some things to talk about here,

00:40:13   I think in terms of how,

00:40:15   like how useful this program actually is.

00:40:17   And we talked about this in the,

00:40:18   when it was out for the iPhone too,

00:40:21   that, you know, most consumers aren't going to want to do this.

00:40:26   Right? Most people are not going to open a phone or a laptop, they

00:40:30   would if it needs a repair, they'd rather spend the $500 or

00:40:34   whatever it is with the Apple Store or with a service provider.

00:40:39   And then they know that it's being done correctly by someone

00:40:42   who knows what they're doing, who has the expertise and the

00:40:44   tools and stuff already. This is great for people who want to do

00:40:49   their own thing. And there are a lot of people in our audience

00:40:51   who probably would take advantage of this

00:40:53   if something came up.

00:40:54   I know that if I had a machine that needed something,

00:40:57   I would definitely be tempted to do it.

00:40:58   But again, I have the expertise to do this sort of thing.

00:41:01   I already have a bunch of the tools too,

00:41:03   at least to do the Mac stuff.

00:41:04   It's not like crazy iPhone panini presses or anything.

00:41:08   It's just screwdrivers and that sort of thing

00:41:12   to take these apart.

00:41:13   - Yes, the tools are a little bit more...

00:41:16   - Pedestrian?

00:41:19   Pedestrians are good friends. They're logical but yeah, but yeah, they're like it's just different, right?

00:41:24   It's just like these the Mac tools are like they just like tools. Yeah

00:41:29   Yeah, you can buy a nice set of like, you know torques bits from I fix it and go at it

00:41:34   So and they have some stuff like they have like specialized key cap levers

00:41:37   It's just like a 3d printed things but like, you know, they've just got like the toolkit

00:41:42   Is a tool kit. It's not like this huge 80 pounds of machinery

00:41:48   Yeah, like a pound thing. It's just like a box like a pelican case with a bunch of tools in it, you know, so

00:41:54   It's more kind of like what you would expect. I

00:41:59   Got that really cool screwdriver. I got you for your birthday. It's a very good screwdriver. It's very good

00:42:06   the

00:42:08   The folks that I fix it had some commentary on this that I thought was interesting and I actually don't necessarily agree with them

00:42:15   They had a blog post up

00:42:18   basically complaining about the the battery repair in the MacBook Pro and

00:42:24   There you can go read the blog post. It's long what it boils down to is

00:42:29   That on some of these models to replace the battery you're actually replacing the battery keyboard and top case as

00:42:36   One component and they say well on one hand

00:42:40   You know the iPhone or the iPad Apple's actually done some things to make it easier to replace the battery

00:42:45   I mean still you're still heating it up and dealing with adhesives and all that stuff. But you know, it's it's a

00:42:50   Discrete component where on some of the MacBook Pros that's actually not the case and they they quote that it takes 162 pages of

00:42:59   Repair guide to get you to the place where you're doing the battery keyboard top case on the MacBook Pro

00:43:04   The way these machines are built and the way they've been built since the unibody introduction

00:43:10   like in

00:43:13   2008 on the MacBook Pro so 14 years, you know 15 years if you go back to the original MacBook Air is

00:43:19   the top case is the structure of these machines and

00:43:23   Everything is built attached to the top case

00:43:27   So if you take your laptop and you close it and you turn it upside down

00:43:30   So you're looking at the feet in the bottom case that bottom case is just a thin piece of metal all the structure

00:43:37   And all the screw bosses and everything is attached

00:43:40   to that top case.

00:43:42   And so when you're replacing something like the battery,

00:43:47   you know, Apple has for a long time

00:43:51   made the battery and keyboard and top case all one component.

00:43:55   And I think iFixit's complaint is,

00:43:58   well, shouldn't the battery be a bit more modular?

00:44:01   And I don't necessarily disagree with that,

00:44:04   but at the same time,

00:44:05   like I think if they had the expectation

00:44:07   that Apple is going to radically change

00:44:09   they're going to design and build their products with the

00:44:12   foreknowledge of them being in the self service repair program

00:44:16   in the future. Clearly, they're not going to do that. And I, you

00:44:20   know, I don't know if hoping that they would what was the

00:44:23   right move or not, because Apple knows that a very, very, very

00:44:29   small percentage of people are ever going to take advantage of

00:44:32   this program. And the people who get paid to take these things

00:44:35   apart, have the correct training, and the tools and the

00:44:38   expertise to do it. And that's not going to change right? Like

00:44:42   if I was still in the Apple authorized service provider

00:44:45   business, and this came out, I would not be nervous. I would

00:44:48   not worry about this shutting down my service business because

00:44:51   show most people aren't going to crack open their 14 inch MacBook

00:44:54   Pro. So I get what I fix it saying. And I agree that yeah,

00:44:58   it'd be nicer if it were easier, but I don't necessarily think

00:45:01   that was going to be a reasonable expectation. And I

00:45:05   would say that when it's really going to get interesting is when

00:45:08   the iMac and the Mac studio show up on this website because they are much more difficult

00:45:16   to open than a MacBook Pro or a MacBook Air they are more akin to iPhones.

00:45:23   Now I have not opened a you know one of the new M1 iMacs but the Intel iMacs for years

00:45:30   there's been a strip of adhesive between the glass and the aluminum that you get this little

00:45:34   tool and you actually cut the adhesive from the outside and then you have to like peel

00:45:39   the thing off and clean it.

00:45:40   It's all this really big project.

00:45:43   It's not hard if you have the skills, but it's time consuming.

00:45:46   And if you don't have the skills and I've done this in front of people, you're like

00:45:49   putting SSDs and IMAX and stuff and everyone's like, Oh my God, like what are you doing?

00:45:53   The sound it makes, you know, you're going to drop the screen, like all of these concerns.

00:45:57   So I don't, I don't know how happy iFix is going to be about that either.

00:46:00   And I would say to iFix it look, and I really like iFix it.

00:46:03   that I have a bunch of their tools,

00:46:04   I've used a bunch of their parts,

00:46:05   I will continue to do so.

00:46:06   Overall, this is a good thing that this is out here.

00:46:09   So like, take a breath, that's what I'm saying.

00:46:12   Take a victory lap because iFixit in particular

00:46:15   has led the way to right to repair

00:46:18   leading to programs like this.

00:46:20   And so I get what they're saying,

00:46:22   but I kind of felt weird reading the blog post.

00:46:25   - Breaking, Stephen Hackett slams iFixit,

00:46:28   says take a breath.

00:46:29   - Yeah, I can see the headline,

00:46:32   Indie blogger slams iFixit.

00:46:35   - Calls them hysterical.

00:46:37   - Wow. - Wow.

00:46:38   - I mean, I agree with you, but like, look,

00:46:43   you know, this is iFixit's whole thing, right?

00:46:47   - Right.

00:46:48   - They're never gonna be happy with anything

00:46:50   Apple's ever going to do in this arena.

00:46:54   Because the two, like in the same way

00:46:58   say that apple is never going to do what i fix it wants them to do i fix it to

00:47:01   never going to be happy with what apple does like these are two opposing forces

00:47:06   over this issue where, like apple are being dragged kicking and screaming

00:47:11   because of the work of people like i fix it towards a better right to repair

00:47:15   strategy, but apple are never going to be like like that laptop where you can

00:47:21   pull out the parts of the framework, the framework laptop, they're never going

00:47:24   like that. They're just not. And like, because that product has a bunch of design issues

00:47:30   because of the fact that it is how it is. And Apple is just not going to be like that.

00:47:34   So they're happier to do something like this where they can tick the box. Technically they

00:47:39   can say you can, users can do this if they want to, but then at the same time continue

00:47:44   to make it easier for users to get their parts in for repairs at proper places would be,

00:47:52   the right I think is a better move ultimately. You know maybe at some point

00:47:56   we will do this I'm sure that in the coming days we'll see people on YouTube

00:48:01   getting their their hands on the stuff and that'll be interesting to see you

00:48:04   know probably less interesting than the iPhone because again you get two road

00:48:08   cases full of equipment shipped to you like I mean. It is kind of hilarious that

00:48:12   like the bigger machine the bigger like maybe more complicated machine you just

00:48:17   get a set of tools. Yeah and the teeny tiny iPhone you've got a basically be Tony Stark

00:48:21   to figure it out. You need a truck to take it back to the post office. See I

00:48:28   mean I'm overall I'm very happy this is here and that Apple is you know staying

00:48:34   through to the word that they are rolling this out. I wonder moving

00:48:39   forward if the the gap in time is gonna be about what we've seen so like the 14

00:48:44   is 16 inch MacBook Pro been out what nine months or so and now they're on

00:48:47   this repair site? Like, how long till the M2 Air shows up on this? You know, is it going

00:48:53   to be nine months? Is it going to be faster? When will the iPhone 14 show up? These are

00:48:58   questions we don't have answers to yet. But all in all, I'm excited to see Apple continue

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00:51:05   - So I think this was last week Federico made mention

00:51:10   to using a different Twitter client.

00:51:13   - Yes, that was last week.

00:51:15   - And you shared, well, we could work it out

00:51:19   'cause it was in the tweets.

00:51:20   Spring.

00:51:23   - Spring, yes.

00:51:25   - Can I just say before you get into this,

00:51:27   I've been trying out this app a little bit.

00:51:29   I cannot remember the name of this application.

00:51:32   There is something about it where I'm like what's called swipe everything whenever I'm trying to search for it. I

00:51:37   Can't remember its name. I think there's just something about the word spring which I get doesn't connect with Twitter in my brain

00:51:45   And so like I haven't been able to like make a link

00:51:49   But yeah, I can never remember the name spring spring scholar

00:51:52   Just call it teachy tweet or something and then you're gonna remember

00:51:55   But I can't find that by searching you could make a shortcut name

00:52:00   Whatever you said true teach you tweet tweet and then launch that that launches the ass

00:52:07   Yes, yeah

00:52:09   But anyway, yeah, I promised I would talk about this and and yes, let's talk about it

00:52:16   So I've been using the app for the past couple of weeks, you know me

00:52:21   I'm always on the lookout for cool new stuff made by indie developers. This is one of them. I

00:52:27   I am really, really impressed with this third-party Twitter

00:52:31   client.

00:52:32   It's been around for a while.

00:52:34   I was familiar with it before.

00:52:36   I took it for a spin, I want to say, last year,

00:52:41   maybe a couple of years ago.

00:52:42   I don't know how long it's been around,

00:52:43   but I remember checking this out a while back,

00:52:47   not being impressed with it.

00:52:48   And then I got a couple of emails from readers

00:52:52   and a message from a Discord member saying, hey,

00:52:54   I don't know if you ever checked out the app.

00:52:57   I'm not affiliated with the developer or anything.

00:52:59   I just think it's something you should check out.

00:53:01   And they were right. - That's what they all say,

00:53:02   Federico, that's how they get you, you know.

00:53:04   - Do you think it's secretly like a ring of people

00:53:07   who are affiliated with developers?

00:53:09   I don't know. - I would say

00:53:11   there probably is some of that,

00:53:12   but I doubt in this case.

00:53:14   - Interesting, interesting theory.

00:53:16   So we'll explore that at some point.

00:53:19   (laughing)

00:53:20   For now, we'll get into that.

00:53:24   for now. So this is the kind of Twitter client that, like, it's got that sort of vibe of "I can't

00:53:30   believe no one is talking about this" sort of vibe. Like, this app is so good, but it's not typically,

00:53:37   you know, included in the roundups of, like, "What's a third-party Twitter client on Apple

00:53:41   platforms?" Well, Tweetbot and Twitterrific and maybe Aviary, like, these are the usual names that

00:53:46   you see. I personally find, at the moment, right now, this app superior to everything else.

00:53:53   So it covers all the bases, right? It's got iCutSync, it's got push notifications based on the new Twitter API,

00:54:01   so it can alert you for DMs, but also it's got some cool settings for push notifications.

00:54:06   This is a common theme of the app, it's got some cool settings. I'll explain this in a few minutes.

00:54:11   It can tell you, for example, what someone you follow also replies to you, kind of like in the Twitter app.

00:54:18   It's got that sort of push notification. It's got tons of keyboard shortcuts. It supports

00:54:23   multi-window on the iPad. It's available on the Mac, so you can get a single consistent

00:54:29   experience on iPhone, iPad, and the Mac. And this is the thing that impressed me.

00:54:35   It feels very native to Apple platforms. So, for example, native context menus everywhere,

00:54:44   integration with shortcuts, custom app icons, as I mentioned, keyboard shortcuts, like all the latest

00:54:51   and greatest technologies, this app uses them. I'll get into this in a minute, but this is one

00:54:58   of the very few third-party apps that already use center windows, if you use the traditional

00:55:06   split view slide-over environment, which means, as a side benefit, because this developer did the

00:55:12   work to support center windows last year, now this app works perfectly in Stage Manager as well,

00:55:18   out of the box. So that was pretty cool. Now, as I said a minute ago, one of the common themes

00:55:26   with Spring is infinite customization. And I think it's been done in a very thoughtful way

00:55:33   that doesn't feel as daunting as something like iCab or, I don't know, Obsidian, like those apps

00:55:40   that basically have like pages and pages of settings. This app has a lot of settings but

00:55:47   they are very well organized and the most important customization feature I think is the fact that

00:55:54   you can fully customize the entire tab bar of the app. And by fully customized I really mean it,

00:56:03   like you don't want to have the main home timeline, you can rearrange it on screen in

00:56:09   in the tab bar and put it elsewhere. You can change the labels, like the names, of all

00:56:14   the tab bar items. You can change the icons for every single tab bar item, choosing from

00:56:21   the whole collection of SF symbols. But most importantly, you can make your own tabs. And

00:56:27   this is what really sticks out for me and why I find this app, besides well designed

00:56:34   them fast and very native to iPhone and iPad, but just useful. The idea that you can...

00:56:41   This is, I guess, the key feature of Spring. You can turn everything you want into a section,

00:56:48   into a tab, including saved searches. So, for example, I like to view my mentions on

00:56:56   Twitter as a combination of replies and people who quote tweet my tweets. I had an article

00:57:03   a few years ago on Mac, sorry about this, on how you can build this sort of search yourself

00:57:09   using the advanced Twitter search operators. I just like to view replies and quote tweets

00:57:16   in the same screen. That saved search, I made it into my mentions tab in Spring. Just like

00:57:24   that. You can search for stuff.

00:57:25   Because you can like customize what tabs are, right?

00:57:29   - Yeah, and you can create new tabs.

00:57:31   Like you can customize the existing ones,

00:57:34   but you can also make new ones.

00:57:36   That's the idea.

00:57:37   And it goes beyond that.

00:57:38   So saved searches or any kind of search can become a tab.

00:57:43   A user profile can become its own tab.

00:57:46   So let's say you really like Myke

00:57:48   and you're really into checking the follower count

00:57:51   for Myke Hurley, you can turn Myke's profile

00:57:55   into a tab in Spring.

00:57:57   So every once in a while, you're like,

00:58:00   "Hey, let me check on Myke's follower account."

00:58:01   And you're like, you open that tab and you can see it.

00:58:04   In my case, I had a less creepy use case,

00:58:08   which is I'm logged in with my personal account,

00:58:11   but I also wanna quickly get access

00:58:13   to the Mac Stories profile to see like,

00:58:16   not just the followers, but like the latest tweets

00:58:18   that we shared for articles.

00:58:20   And so the Mac Stories profile is pinned

00:58:22   to my top bar as its own tab.

00:58:25   The top bar, like on the iPhone,

00:58:28   obviously you're limited in space at the bottom,

00:58:30   but there's a couple of things you can do.

00:58:32   First, you can put items in an overflow menu

00:58:37   so that all the extra tabs that don't fit

00:58:41   at the bottom of the screen, you can get them in a menu,

00:58:44   or you can make the top bar scrollable horizontally.

00:58:48   So you can scroll through

00:58:49   and you can reach all the other tabs.

00:58:51   On the iPad, it's much better.

00:58:53   You can also increase it up to nine.

00:58:56   Yes.

00:58:56   Nine things.

00:58:58   But it gets kind of awkward to tap elements.

00:59:02   Yeah.

00:59:02   On the iPad, it's much better because the top bar

00:59:05   is this thin strip on the left edge of the screen,

00:59:10   and it fits a ton of items because there's

00:59:13   a ton of vertical space there.

00:59:15   So yeah, being able to turn anything into its own tab

00:59:20   into a custom section, that's lovely.

00:59:22   This is one of the few apps, one of the few third-party apps that lets you view retweets

00:59:29   and likes to your tweets or someone else's tweets.

00:59:34   In the context menu, which you can also customize obviously, like the entire context menu that

00:59:40   you get when you long press or right click on a tweet, that's also customizable, that

00:59:45   menu has two buttons called "view retweets" and "view likes".

00:59:49   "Hey, I like to see what people like and retweet my stuff, so that helps."

00:59:56   Typically, I would have to use the Twitter app or Twitter website for that, but here

01:00:00   I can do it in Spring.

01:00:02   Timeline filters are incredible.

01:00:04   So there's this filter button at the top of the timeline.

01:00:07   This is not a new idea, but I think it's been done better in Spring.

01:00:11   So you can filter your timeline based on type of tweet or content.

01:00:17   So for example, you can exclude retweets or quote tweets or threads or replies, or you

01:00:25   can just view original tweets.

01:00:27   And then you can mix and match this with content types.

01:00:30   So you can do things like show me all articles, like show me all links that are also original

01:00:36   tweets, or show me all retweets that are images or that are GIFs.

01:00:42   becomes like a really fun way to open just memes from your timeline. Like, show me retweets that

01:00:49   are also animated GIFs. You can mix and match these filters and you can save them and you can

01:00:56   pin them, like, the whole deal. Filtering the timeline is incredible. There's a notifications tab

01:01:03   that is similar to the Twitter one. It aggregates your activity. So notifications, how many people

01:01:09   liked or retweeted your tweets. It doesn't update as, like, it's not as real time as

01:01:16   Twitter's official thing.

01:01:19   I find the information presentation of that tab specifically to be quite awkward.

01:01:25   How so?

01:01:26   Like, I can see that, like, they're going for what Twitter does.

01:01:29   Yeah.

01:01:30   But I think, like, there are a few things, like, the profile pictures are way larger

01:01:35   than the content that it's referring to, for example.

01:01:39   But I appreciate that this is like the only third-party app that I've seen do this and

01:01:49   threading in the way that it does them.

01:01:52   They do the threading in the timeline just like, or very similar to how Twitter does

01:01:58   it.

01:01:59   Which I miss in third-party applications, honestly.

01:02:02   I am so used to the Twitter app and the Twitter website to when somebody replies to something

01:02:08   to see the original tweet in the context of that reply.

01:02:13   And Spring does it, just like Twitter.

01:02:16   And if you don't like it, you can turn it off.

01:02:18   Again, there's the kind of stuff that you

01:02:19   can customize in settings.

01:02:20   So yeah, it's really about this collection of small features

01:02:24   that may be taken on their own.

01:02:29   They don't seem like much, but together they really

01:02:32   adapt to this kind of experience that combines some of the things

01:02:37   that I do like about Twitter's official products,

01:02:41   but also some of the many other conveniences

01:02:44   of third-party apps, like no ads and a ton

01:02:47   of Apple-native features.

01:02:51   Lastly, I do want to mention how this app deals on the iPad

01:02:55   with columns and windows.

01:02:58   And this is maybe the area where I

01:03:00   wish the developer had done things a bit differently.

01:03:06   So you can open detailed views for tweets or profiles in a secondary column.

01:03:15   But you cannot open multiple columns like you used to do in TweetDeck or how you can

01:03:21   do in Aviary or how you can do in TweetBot for Mac.

01:03:25   You cannot spawn column after column after column.

01:03:30   You cannot do that.

01:03:31   Instead, the app lets you open multiple windows.

01:03:34   So that's how I've been using it on the iPad.

01:03:36   Just one window with my home timeline and another window for a saved search or something

01:03:42   else like my mentions.

01:03:45   But I do wish that you could actually have one window for Spring but multiple vertical

01:03:52   columns.

01:03:53   I find this to be incredibly weird and complicated.

01:03:59   Most of the time where I'm using Spring, the column on the right is empty.

01:04:04   And like, that is very strange to me.

01:04:07   Right?

01:04:08   You know what I'm saying?

01:04:09   Using it on the iPad and on the Mac.

01:04:11   Like that column on the right, I can only seem to fill that column if I click on something

01:04:17   where I would like say, to just choose what goes in that column.

01:04:20   Yes.

01:04:21   I find that to be really weird because most of the time that is just an empty, it's either

01:04:26   it empty or it is filled with something that I'm not interested in anymore.

01:04:30   Because I clicked on a tweet and got more context with it, but then I just left it there

01:04:36   and it's like an hour later and that tweet is still just strange. That's an odd design choice.

01:04:42   Exactly, yeah, exactly. I agree. I hope the developer listens to our feedback maybe here

01:04:50   and that they rethink the way that columns work on the app.

01:04:55   But so far, I'm doing OK with multi-window on the iPad.

01:04:59   And as I mentioned, this app works very well

01:05:02   with Stage Manager already, because it fully

01:05:04   supports multi-window.

01:05:05   So there's that.

01:05:06   But yeah, typically, when I switch back

01:05:10   to a third-party client, two things happen.

01:05:15   I either find myself constantly opening the Twitter website

01:05:19   as a fallback because there's always information that I'm missing from a third-party client,

01:05:24   or I just go back to the main Twitter app on my iPhone after like a week.

01:05:31   And I'm not doing that since I started using Spring.

01:05:34   And I think for me a huge part of that is being able to pin saved searches anywhere

01:05:42   in the apps UI, but also having real multi-window support and having the threading in the server

01:05:49   The timeline is also huge for me, and being able to see who liked or retweeted my tweets.

01:05:56   Those features that are inspired by the Twitter app, I think those are combined with the sort

01:06:05   of things that I expect from a quality indie experience, like context menus, multi-window,

01:06:11   keyboard shortcuts.

01:06:13   Those two things combined are helping me stick with Spring and, you know, yeah.

01:06:20   I really like it.

01:06:22   If you're, like, I guess what I would say is if you're curious about a different take

01:06:27   on a third-party Twitter client, there's a Lite version on the App Store.

01:06:31   So it's one of those apps that does it old school.

01:06:33   You can get the Lite version, see if you like it, and then get the full version.

01:06:38   I have a couple of other things that I've observed.

01:06:42   One I like, one I think I like and one I don't like, the thing I don't like is for an app

01:06:48   that has so many settings, let me turn off the trending search, like trending search

01:06:54   results on the search page.

01:06:55   Just let me turn that off.

01:06:57   I don't want to see this at all if I don't need to and I would prefer to not see it,

01:07:02   especially because they don't have ones that are even like customized to me a little bit.

01:07:08   In Twitter, I don't like the trends at all, but at least sometimes the stuff that I'm

01:07:13   interested in, like if there's big Formula One news or whatever, they do a good job of

01:07:16   showing it to me, but I hate the trends.

01:07:19   The thing that is intriguing to me is the default way in which retweets are shown, which

01:07:25   is like a quote tweet.

01:07:29   So if you just retweet something, it shows your account and then the embedded tweet instead

01:07:35   of like the tweet that you've retweeted and like a marker you can change it back to what

01:07:39   they call like the standard traditional retweet layout.

01:07:43   Which I did.

01:07:46   And I just haven't, I'm just not sure yet.

01:07:48   I'm just like I've been trying it out and like it's interesting but I don't know why

01:07:53   they choose to do it this way but it's interesting.

01:07:56   Yeah I'm not sure either I ended up not liking it so I went back to the regular retweet design.

01:08:02   I think I'm going to too, but it was just an intriguing design thing for me where I

01:08:08   have kept bumping up against it where I keep looking for the context of that, of what looks

01:08:14   to be a quote tweet.

01:08:16   But it's at least interesting as like a, because I don't know what technically the right thing

01:08:21   should be.

01:08:22   Should you, I think if you retweet something, should you be more or less attached to it?

01:08:26   I don't know.

01:08:27   It's an interesting app.

01:08:28   Steven, I think you don't like it, right?

01:08:30   I don't love it.

01:08:32   A lot of my complaints with it come down to design decisions.

01:08:36   I love the customization.

01:08:38   I love everything that Frederick, who you walked through.

01:08:40   I find a lot of the UI like difficult to get to look nice.

01:08:45   An example is quote tweets, right?

01:08:47   Which are a big part of Twitter now.

01:08:50   And the design of those, something about the way they're, they're inset.

01:08:55   And like they have a background in light and in dark mode.

01:08:59   I find it difficult to like understand what it's tied to.

01:09:04   Maybe that's just a white space issue.

01:09:07   'Cause I do think even with all the typeface adjustments,

01:09:10   like everything feels a bit too crowded and busy everywhere.

01:09:15   And I've gone through and turned off what I can,

01:09:18   but I feel like there's a level of polish in the UI

01:09:20   that maybe isn't what it could be.

01:09:23   And maybe that's a, you know,

01:09:25   Maybe that's a trade off with the ability to customize everything.

01:09:30   But the other thing that's that I don't love about it is that it's,

01:09:34   it's super customizable, but those customizations don't sync.

01:09:37   You instead have a export, an export import function where you can like

01:09:43   airdrop. So I've had on my phone and my Mac and you,

01:09:46   it like exports a configuration file and I airdropped it to my Mac.

01:09:50   And then I imported it to spring on the Mac,

01:09:52   which spring on the Mac is not very good.

01:09:54   It's like very obvious that it's the iPad version.

01:09:59   And a lot of the UI stuff is way too big

01:10:02   and really feels pretty weird.

01:10:05   So for me, like I'm glad it's here.

01:10:07   I'm glad people are still experimenting in this space,

01:10:11   but between Tweetbot and the official app,

01:10:15   I just don't think there's room for it for me.

01:10:18   - I think I like it more than Tweetbot.

01:10:20   - Really? - Personally, yeah.

01:10:22   I think it has just more features that I jive with.

01:10:27   The biggest one for me is just like the,

01:10:30   it is the threading layout.

01:10:32   Like I really don't like when I'm in Tweetbot

01:10:35   and like I see a tweet and it's like, what is this even?

01:10:38   Like, what is this referring to?

01:10:40   It just seems like weird.

01:10:41   Like I find myself in, when I'm using Tweetbot so often,

01:10:44   needing to get more information on a tweet.

01:10:47   Like I have to click into the tweet

01:10:48   and see what this is replying to

01:10:50   because like I can tell it's replying to something,

01:10:52   but I don't know what that is.

01:10:54   And I feel like it's just bad at this point.

01:10:57   Like that is a thing that you got to find a way to work on

01:11:00   because this is just how Twitter is used by people.

01:11:03   And I like that this app has it.

01:11:06   And there's just like a couple of other things

01:11:07   like you can mark the Amazon red.

01:11:10   Great.

01:11:11   I just like that I have that feed.

01:11:13   There's just like a lot of features like,

01:11:14   is this is quote unquote beautiful?

01:11:17   No, but like I think it is a better experience

01:11:20   for modern Twitter than Tweetbot is now,

01:11:24   for like what it does.

01:11:25   It's not perfect, right?

01:11:27   But I think is, especially on the iPhone,

01:11:30   I think better and it's closer to what I'm looking for now.

01:11:34   - I did have the thought that,

01:11:36   "Oh, this makes Tweetbot look really outdated."

01:11:40   And is Spring doing things that are available to Tweetbot

01:11:45   that they just haven't taken advantage of,

01:11:47   like the threading?

01:11:48   know is that and I just don't know like is that part of the Twitter API or is

01:11:52   something that they've figured out on their own but there's definitely

01:11:55   features in this app the tweet bot doesn't have that tweet bot should have

01:12:01   at least optionally yeah I don't know what the answer is to that right my

01:12:06   expectation is whatever the answer is they should tweet bot should have done

01:12:10   it as well unless Springs doing things that maybe they shouldn't because maybe

01:12:15   it's a smaller application it's getting away of it I don't know the answer to

01:12:18   to that, right? But the threading thing, if Twitter does provide you an API, surely that

01:12:24   is a solvable thing. Like, you could work that out, right? Like tweets are connected.

01:12:28   I don't know.

01:12:29   I mean, someone has, so, you know.

01:12:31   Yeah, somebody has.

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01:14:17   In a comment to TechCrunch, Apple notes, "This is an especially big year for..."

01:14:23   That's an app, Apple Notes.

01:14:26   Apple has said, "This is an especially big year for iPadOS. It's its own platform with

01:14:32   features specifically designed for iPad. We have the flexibility to deliver iPadOS on

01:14:37   on its own schedule. This fall, iPadOS will ship after iOS as version 16.1 in a free software

01:14:44   update.

01:14:45   Hey, don't you know?

01:14:46   This is a just beautifully written statement.

01:14:49   Yes, yes. It's like they just realized that they have flexibility now.

01:14:55   We can do whatever we want.

01:14:57   Hey!

01:14:58   It's a feature specifically designed for the iPad that are also on the Mac.

01:15:02   And they're also very broken right now.

01:15:04   Yeah, it's so PR-ish.

01:15:08   AKA flexibility.

01:15:10   Yeah.

01:15:11   Where people see bugs, we see opportunities.

01:15:18   That's the mantra for Apple VR.

01:15:23   You see problems, we see flexibility.

01:15:26   It's such a beautiful job done here with this statement.

01:15:30   As a bonus, it's gonna be free.

01:15:32   unlike other iPadOS releases.

01:15:36   Hey, look, they used to be paid 12 years ago.

01:15:39   I know.

01:15:40   So.

01:15:41   Sal Bains Hogsley, baby.

01:15:42   I know, yeah.

01:15:43   Do you wanna go back to that?

01:15:44   Nope, no, I do not.

01:15:45   So this is out in beta.

01:15:48   What is new in 16.1, Federico?

01:15:51   So stage manager in 16.1.

01:15:55   They added some new options,

01:16:00   plus button to create a new window for an app that supports multiple windows is in a

01:16:08   better spot now, still takes way too many taps and clicks to get to that spot, but at

01:16:16   least now it's visible.

01:16:18   And now you can invoke the strip of recent apps by swiping with your finger on the screen

01:16:25   from the edge of the display, even if the app that you're using is in full screen,

01:16:30   so you don't have to resize it anymore, now you can just invoke it with a swipe,

01:16:34   the strip also appears in portrait orientation now.

01:16:38   So that's something else that they fixed that

01:16:41   didn't make a lot of sense before, why it was not available in portrait.

01:16:45   But the thing is, in doing this, it's one step forward,

01:16:52   four to five steps back in that the constant crashes. And by constant, I mean, like, literally

01:17:01   on my iPad. Now, I don't know if the problem is me or if other people have the same problem,

01:17:05   but like on my iPad, when I do regular things, I'm not doing anything so fancy, like I'm not exporting

01:17:12   video or rendering 3D stuff. Like, no, I'm just taking notes and browsing Twitter. But it crashes

01:17:18   every 15 minutes or something. Just that. And it takes you back to the lock screen and

01:17:23   you've got to start over. So that's still happening. I tried it again last night just

01:17:27   to make sure. If anything, they made the window snapping behavior even more aggressive than

01:17:34   before. It feels like even more than in previous betas, the system takes away the control from

01:17:42   me when it comes to where I want to place windows. And that was always true of stage

01:17:46   manager, that's partly the idea of stage manager, like, "Hey, don't worry about Windows, we'll

01:17:52   position them for you." But it felt like they had a better balance of, you know, the system's

01:17:59   control and your sense of control. I feel like it was better balanced before. And now,

01:18:08   I also feel like it's easier to cover the strip of recent apps.

01:18:16   It's almost like the system doesn't think there's enough space to show you the recents

01:18:21   anymore.

01:18:22   And all the other problems are still here.

01:18:26   Working with external displays is still very much broken at a fundamental design level.

01:18:31   Broken that is.

01:18:32   What else?

01:18:33   workspaces from the iPads display to an external display is still way too slow. The dock gets

01:18:40   accidentally covered by windows that resize themselves every few minutes. Like the list

01:18:47   goes on and on and on. I hope they can get it done by October. Have they mentioned October

01:18:54   specifically? No, no. They just said this fall. It'll come out when it's ready. I hope

01:19:02   they will be ready. And now I can tell you this, I think they are very much receptive

01:19:08   to feedback at this point. But also, I get the impression that they, you know, Hubris

01:19:18   gets in the way with these companies sometimes. And I feel like there may have been a problem

01:19:23   for half of this summer, that they were maybe so proud of this design, that they started

01:19:30   listening to feedback a little later in the process, and now look where we are. Now I

01:19:37   get the impression that they're listening, but they had to delay the thing because of

01:19:42   that.

01:19:43   I don't know. I hope it gets better. I can tell you that I tried it for about an hour

01:19:49   last night. I saw what I had to see, and I went back to Split View and slide over once

01:19:56   again. So yeah, that's how it's going.

01:19:59   There was a section on ATP last week where Casey was rightfully upset about providing

01:20:05   feedback in like July and being told, "Oh, that's way too late."

01:20:09   Like, when do you want me to do it?

01:20:11   Yeah, seriously.

01:20:12   Do you want me to stay up late at night during the week of WWDC just so that I can file feedback

01:20:17   early for you?

01:20:18   Like, at this point, give me a salary if you want that, you know?

01:20:22   Like, seriously.

01:20:23   But I do think that in this moment, there's a little window of time here, right, before

01:20:29   they pick a new direction and go down or decide, oh, we're just going to fix this, this and

01:20:34   that. But I mean, I'm glad they're doing it. Like, it's not unprecedented. They did it

01:20:40   with what iOS 13, right, like 13.0 was only on new phones, and then 13.1, I guess, unified

01:20:47   it for everybody. So they are willing to do this when they feel like it's necessary. And,

01:20:55   you know, what are we going to get? Are we going to get a month maybe, because there's

01:20:58   probably iPad hardware and if there's iPad hardware they want this out in time

01:21:04   for the holidays we'll see you know we'll see if really what an extra three

01:21:09   or four weeks can buy them what if they ship 16 on iPad hardware and 16.1 still

01:21:17   comes later just like those iPhones it could be yeah it could be or or could 16

01:21:22   ship on new iPads without stage manager and then it comes in 16.1 who knows

01:21:28   Guys, I have an idea. I think Apple, if Apple wants more and better feedback earlier, I

01:21:37   think they should gamify filing feedback. If you're a developer, each 10 feedbacks that

01:21:44   you file, you get an expedited app review made by a real human.

01:21:49   Or just one free card. You can put anything you want in the app.

01:21:56   Or you get points in your account, in your developer account, you get, I don't know.

01:22:01   But yeah, look, I honestly don't know. It feels like there's a, there are two different

01:22:07   conversations happening here. One is, okay, this is stage manager. I am sort of into the

01:22:13   idea. I think I can use this, but there are technical issues and some design problems.

01:22:19   And I think I am sort of in that camp. Like I think I can use stage manager. I think I

01:22:25   can live with the system arranging windows on my behalf, but there are tons of problems right now.

01:22:31   There's the other camp of people saying, "Well, this whole thing, like all of it,

01:22:39   is fundamentally wrong, and you need to go back to the drawing board and redo it all. Like,

01:22:45   this idea of the recent apps on the left, this idea of the system not letting you resize windows,

01:22:50   Because like all of it is wrong and we don't want it.

01:22:55   So there are these two factions right now.

01:22:58   I don't think Apple will listen to the second one.

01:23:01   I don't think Apple will say, "Ah, turns out we were wrong.

01:23:05   We're not doing this anymore.

01:23:06   Sorry, see you next year."

01:23:08   I don't think they're going to do that.

01:23:10   I think they will work really hard on pleasing the first group of people.

01:23:16   Well, I want to see if next year, next WWDC, Stage Manager is a lot different from what

01:23:25   it is today.

01:23:26   Because I think short term, it would be very awkward for Apple to pull it.

01:23:31   But long term, I also think they want to make pro users happier than they are with Stage

01:23:39   Manager.

01:23:40   So they're kind of stuck in between, and it's a very awkward situation at the moment, I

01:23:44   think.

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01:24:03   this week the three of us designed our own iPhones and you can you can see

01:24:08   those in the notes for the Pro Show you can find us all online you can find Myke

01:24:13   on Twitter as I M Y K E. He's the host of a bunch of other shows here on Relay FM. You

01:24:19   can find Federico Evatici, V I T I C C I, and he of course is the editor-in-chief of

01:24:24   MaxStories.net, which will be home to his iOS and iPadOS 16 review and coverage. You

01:24:30   all have been doing stuff all summer. It's been great.

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01:24:42   Yes.

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01:24:44   Revuza.

01:24:45   Oh.

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