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0:00:02Hello and welcome to Connected episode 412.

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0:00:19My name is Stephen Hackett and I'm joined

0:00:20by Mr. Myke Hurley.

0:00:22Hello.

0:00:23Are you okay?

0:00:25I was drinking water when you were talking.

0:00:28Instead of just waiting like a sensible person, I decided I would drink the water really quickly

0:00:34and that made everything way worse.

0:00:37I am joined by a more competent podcaster, Federico Vittucci.

0:00:42Hello, I am not drinking water and it's good to be here.

0:00:46You should, in general.

0:00:48Okay, okay, let me drink water then, jeez, okay.

0:00:51Please.

0:00:51Here, I'm drinking water.

0:00:52It's good to be hydrated.

0:00:54I got some too.

0:00:54Good to be hydrated.

0:00:57One of the most important things as a podcaster is to be hydrated.

0:00:59Water's good, you know?

0:01:01Yeah.

0:01:02So it's a good drink.

0:01:03Let's start with some follow-up.

0:01:05Myke, I have good news for you.

0:01:07Excellent.

0:01:08Your mobility wear solitaire game is on Apple Arcade.

0:01:12Incredible.

0:01:13Who knew?

0:01:15Caleb knew.

0:01:16Caleb sent this in.

0:01:17Yeah.

0:01:18You need to download this and write a review on Mac stories.

0:01:21I don't want to do that.

0:01:23That is like a job which I wouldn't enjoy, I think.

0:01:27But I'm happy that it still exists.

0:01:30I don't really like Solitaire that much.

0:01:32So this is like a similar thing of like there was just not many games

0:01:36because John Voorhees also had "Jurbo Match" or whatever it was called

0:01:41in his top 10.

0:01:42I think it was just there wasn't a lot of apps, right?

0:01:45So everybody downloaded what was there.

0:01:48Yeah, it was "Oh, this looks fun. I'll check it out."

0:01:50And I remember too, I think we probably spoke about this last week,

0:01:53Part of it was just like the exploration of what was possible, right?

0:01:57Because we just didn't know, you know, what developers could do.

0:02:01And so I felt like for a long time, every new app I downloaded, like, it really didn't

0:02:06add like new functionality or new experience to the iPhone.

0:02:10That hasn't been true in a long time for the most part, but it's cool to look back.

0:02:16That was a lot of fun last week.

0:02:18On the last episode I surprised you both by letting you know that Shazam used to be a

0:02:24call in service. A couple of days later Apple celebrated Shazam turning 20 years old and

0:02:30noting that it used to be a call in service. Shazam launches as a text message service

0:02:36August 2002. Based in the UK, at the time users could identify songs by dialing 2580

0:02:42on their phone and holding it up as the song played. They were then sent an SMS message

0:02:45telling them the song title and name of the artist. It comes from Apple's newsroom blog.

0:02:50What's the international prefix for the UK? +44? +44, yep.

0:02:55You're gonna try and call them? 0044 2580.

0:03:02I don't know if it works anymore. Do you have music playing?

0:03:06Well, I can. Let's see.

0:03:08If it works.

0:03:09Open music.

0:03:11I mean, realistically, it would have been easier if you would have just asked

0:03:15me to do this no it's not working you want me to try yes instead it's probably

0:03:23makes more sense right let me see what happens two five eight zero that's good

0:03:30it's just one straight line down it's a good number oh that's clever calling

0:03:35please tell me somebody picks up tell them you're on a podcast nothing's

0:03:41actually happening oh no it just says calling but there's no actual sound

0:03:46that's sad your phone needs a cooling system like Federico's did in the pro

0:03:51show mm-hmm yeah get connected pro co I don't think it's active okay it's not

0:03:57active anymore that's what a ride though to go from a dial-in service in the UK

0:04:02to being a option and control center on the iPhone like not sure I appreciate

0:04:09the UK part of that. I mean just that it started in one country I didn't mean it

0:04:13as a slide against your nation. Alright but here's the thing though no because if

0:04:17if this would have started in America you wouldn't have said USA you you

0:04:21wouldn't have said oh imagine that to have started as a call-in service to the

0:04:24USA. Don't Casey list me I will not be Casey list. No you're Casey listing me is what's

0:04:30happening. Federico you understand what I'm saying right if they would have been

0:04:34an American service he wouldn't have said USA.

0:04:36Hmm, yeah. Right? He wouldn't have said, oh, imagine that as a phone service in America

0:04:42and now you're in control centers. Yeah, it was said in a slightly, not pejorative

0:04:49way, but like, oh, from this cute small, quaint country in Europe, the UK. You may have heard

0:04:56of it. Yeah. But most Americans refer to other countries like that.

0:05:02Can you guys give me two minutes to go answer my door?

0:05:05So now look at this.

0:05:07He's backing away from the podcast.

0:05:09You guys keep talking.

0:05:10Whatever you say I'm going to leave in unless I decide not to leave it in.

0:05:13I think I'm just going to wait until he comes back.

0:05:15I don't have anything funny enough to say.

0:05:17Unless you do Federico, do you have any grievances you want to air about Steven?

0:05:21About Steven?

0:05:22Well, not in particular.

0:05:27He's a good person, you know.

0:05:28He's a good man.

0:05:29Oh, this is...

0:05:30Now he will leave this in.

0:05:32I don't have anything bad to say about Steven.

0:05:35Every time I ask him for favors, he does them.

0:05:38And very quickly also.

0:05:40Should we just swear a bunch?

0:05:42Before we started the recording, at all, Federico very excitedly told me,

0:05:50to which I became very excited, that there's a new Arctic Monkeys album coming this year.

0:05:54Mm-hmm.

0:05:55So that's good news.

0:05:56That's good, excellent news, called "The Car".

0:06:00The car. That's the name of the album, The Car. You get to listen to and you're in the car?

0:06:04Yeah. The car in the car? The car in the car. I'm kind of just waiting though.

0:06:11Where has he gone even? I bet this is something to do with his calendar.

0:06:16Hey. Oh hey. Was that something to do with your calendar? Was it the postman?

0:06:22Well it was the FedEx man. Myke you know what this is. Secrets. Already? It's right here.

0:06:29Oh, is it good? I don't know. Do we do a live unboxing? Just tell people what it is?

0:06:34Yeah. Every September, we're just gonna do this. Relay FM raises money for St. Jude Children's

0:06:40Research Hospital. It's a hospital and research institution that serves kids and their families

0:06:46from all over the world. Their research is shared freely around the world and every September we

0:06:51raise money for their work. This year, if you go to stjude.org/relay, you will see two options.

0:06:58One, you can donate directly like you always have,

0:07:01and there's some really cool rewards for that.

0:07:04But if you want to sign up and do your own fundraising team

0:07:09and fundraise alongside us and get your family

0:07:11and friends and coworkers involved,

0:07:13there's a different set of really cool rewards for that.

0:07:18- Incentives, incentives I think is the legal word

0:07:21we're supposed to use.

0:07:22- One of them, I got the test print.

0:07:25We did a desk mat of the co-founder sticker head artwork.

0:07:30Oh.

0:07:34My gosh.

0:07:39- So I have just put in the Discord

0:07:41and people can see it stjude.org/relay.

0:07:44You can scroll down and see an artist's rendition

0:07:47of the desk mat.

0:07:48- Oh my God.

0:07:49- But Steven just received the first test sample

0:07:52of the desk mat. - This is incredible.

0:07:53- Come on, I need a picture.

0:07:55Okay, let me, it's really big.

0:07:56I need to sit on my floor, hang on.

0:07:58- So I'll talk a little bit more.

0:07:59So we're gonna be kind of kicking off

0:08:01the official proper messaging about this next week.

0:08:04That was the plan, but you can go and see all of this now

0:08:07at sttude.org/relay.

0:08:08And as Stephen said, you can give yourself,

0:08:12and there are a bunch of great rewards for that.

0:08:15We have a sticker pack, but also some wallpapers.

0:08:17And this year, just an incredible macOS screensaver

0:08:21that James Thompson made,

0:08:23which is just unbelievably incredible.

0:08:26These will be available and sent out

0:08:27after the campaign is over.

0:08:29And so you can donate and that's amazing.

0:08:31But if you sign up and fundraise on our behalf,

0:08:34where you'll be fundraising yourself

0:08:36and you can go out to your friends,

0:08:38your family, your coworkers, maybe you can stream,

0:08:40maybe you can share it on your podcast, on your website.

0:08:42Anybody that raises $1 gets a Relay FM challenge coin,

0:08:47Relay FM St. Jude challenge coin.

0:08:49These are only available to people that raise

0:08:51at least $1 for fundraising themselves.

0:08:54But if you raise over $250,

0:08:56you will receive a desk mat of the co-founder heads.

0:09:00Oh my God, it looks incredible and it's huge.

0:09:02- Yeah, I put a field notes on it for size.

0:09:05- It's so good.

0:09:07- It's really good.

0:09:08- Wow, it's so good.

0:09:10I'm getting one soon.

0:09:11So we'll be doing a lot of streaming throughout September.

0:09:15Me and Steven will have these on our desks while we stream.

0:09:17It's incredible.

0:09:19This looks so much better

0:09:20I imagined it was going to look. Yes, I am into this. Wow. So, stduid.org/relay. We'll

0:09:27talk about it more next week, but, you know, don't delay. Start fundraising today.

0:09:32Oh, that's really good. You just come up with that off the top of your head?

0:09:35Off the top of my old dome. Yeah, I'm just so amped up and excited after seeing this thing.

0:09:39Not bad for an old man.

0:09:42Younger than you.

0:09:43That's true. Yes, we would love if people would get involved this year.

0:09:49I rescind it. This was worth you going answering the door.

0:09:52Yes. Wait, did you say it wasn't?

0:09:54I was talking trash.

0:09:55Oh, it was so mad. It's like, I don't understand. This is so unprofessional.

0:09:59We're in the midst of recording a podcast.

0:10:02It was lots of things like that, you know?

0:10:03It's also his company.

0:10:05I knew that's what it was. I had to go.

0:10:09It actually wasn't. I didn't say that. I didn't say that. I just didn't like the pressure in the moment.

0:10:14Well, speaking of pressure in the moment, you want to let people know what happened

0:10:18on the Club Max Stories Town Hall yesterday?

0:10:21Yes, so we...

0:10:25Steven and I contributed to the kind of anniversary of Club Max Stories,

0:10:29and it was like a Town Hall thing they did in their Discord.

0:10:33I will say I was encouraged during the Discord to do

0:10:36a very impromptu quick connected quiz, where I just asked the two of them one

0:10:41simple question. Basically, could the other guess what the other was just about

0:10:44to say? There was 100 points on the line. They

0:10:47they both lost 100 points.

0:10:49So the overall totals of Steven and Federico

0:10:52have decreased by 100.

0:10:53Steven now has 2,873 points.

0:10:56Federico has 2,201 points.

0:10:59That is an update for you all, for those keeping score.

0:11:03Basically nothing's changed except they've both gone down.

0:11:07- Is there anything else we need to do in follow up?

0:11:08- I don't think so.

0:11:10- I mean, we can just skip over that.

0:11:13- Well, there is a thing that was a topic actually

0:11:15that I thought had been taken out of the show, but it's been snuck in here and I think we

0:11:20were just trying to be tricked. Federica, what is in this document?

0:11:24There's a line of text that says "The fate of the Hackett M2 Air." So, yeah, what's the

0:11:32fate?

0:11:33To recap, my wife has been using an M1 MacBook Air with a whatever the small, the LG 4K Ultrafine,

0:11:40I think it's 21 and a half inches about the same size as the old small iMac and she's using that for a while

0:11:46she has a

0:11:48Tiny desk in the corner of our den. I got this m2 air. It was gonna be hers. The m1 air was gonna replace a

0:11:542018 Intel MacBook Air the kids have been using for homework and that sort of thing had it all planned out

0:12:01The problem is that I really like the m2 air and so I you know set it up. I used it for a while

0:12:08Put Ventura on it and wrote my review which we talked about last week. I've been telling her is like hey, you know

0:12:14This machine is gonna be yours. We're gonna you know one evening or you know over the course of a day

0:12:19I'll you know do all the you know, like two or three data migrations necessary to make all this work and

0:12:24We ended up doing something different so she's decided that she wants to

0:12:31she doesn't really use her computer that much she's mostly iPad first at home and

0:12:38And we're talking about redoing our DIN,

0:12:41it's like the desk was gonna have to move

0:12:43and we weren't sure where it was gonna go.

0:12:45And so there's all these other factors

0:12:47affecting her setup kind of at the same time

0:12:50as I'm changing these computers around.

0:12:52Why do you keep laughing?

0:12:54Be quiet.

0:12:55So at the end of the day,

0:12:59she's decided to forego her external display

0:13:01and just use a notebook.

0:13:03But she wanted to have something

0:13:07potentially a little bit bigger than the Air.

0:13:09So she now has my 14 inch MacBook Pro.

0:13:13Okay.

0:13:14Yeah, so she's got the 14 inch MacBook Pro,

0:13:15she's using it standalone.

0:13:17I've got the Air.

0:13:18Okay.

0:13:19And the kids have the M1.

0:13:20No, this is fair, Mary wins.

0:13:22'Cause I thought Mary was about to lose.

0:13:24That's why I thought this was going.

0:13:25No, no, no.

0:13:26Mary wins.

0:13:27Mary gets a ThinkPad.

0:13:29No.

0:13:29I have a great iBook G3.

0:13:32Yeah, yeah.

0:13:33It's bigger.

0:13:34Yeah, and it's orange, what do you want?

0:13:36I mean, that's what I wanted on this machine.

0:13:37So she did once, there's a story,

0:13:41it's on a Mac story somewhere.

0:13:42I wrote about the clamshell iBook a few years ago

0:13:45and she modeled it for me.

0:13:46And I don't know, she hasn't let me live that down yet.

0:13:49So yeah, that's what we've done.

0:13:51And man, I gotta say like,

0:13:52I have this 2018 Intel Air now in my office.

0:13:55That keyboard is so bad.

0:13:57I know we talked about it for so long.

0:13:59And the 2018 was like the final revision

0:14:01of the butterfly keyboard,

0:14:03but it sounds and feels like garbage

0:14:05and the space bar is broken.

0:14:06So I gotta, I gotta do a repair on that machine.

0:14:08But it's a, that's where we ended up.

0:14:10So I've got the Air, she has my 14 inch MacBook Pro.

0:14:14I do have a user set up on that machine.

0:14:17I mean, I had to go back to Monterey on it

0:14:19'cause it had Ventura.

0:14:20So my user is basically just empty,

0:14:22but on the occasion that it would be useful

0:14:25for me to have a machine with HDMI and more inputs,

0:14:29like, you know, occasionally I get pulled into like

0:14:31running AV for something at church

0:14:33or with the scouts or something

0:14:34that I can use that machine if I need it.

0:14:38So that's where we ended up.

0:14:40- Okay, that's ended up pretty well.

0:14:42- I think so.

0:14:43Yeah, and she really likes it.

0:14:44She's been using it and we're gonna disassemble her desk

0:14:48and I don't know what to do with that LG 4K display,

0:14:51but I'll find a home for that.

0:14:52- Send it to Casey.

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0:16:48- Apple event. - Yeah.

0:16:49- September 7th.

0:16:51It was predicted and it is happening.

0:16:54There is a part in person event,

0:16:58but it's all gonna be streamed it seems

0:17:03as kind of as it has been.

0:17:04I guess the kind of mixture is people will be there

0:17:11and we'll be able to watch it,

0:17:12but they will be watching what we see, I don't know.

0:17:16- Yeah, I don't think we, I mean,

0:17:19I don't think we super know like on the surface of it,

0:17:23it seems like it's what it used to be, right?

0:17:26People are there and then we're watching something.

0:17:29Whether they're watching real people on stage or not

0:17:32seems to be unknown.

0:17:34So I don't know.

0:17:35- Very good point.

0:17:36I just make assumptions.

0:17:37Like I just, they can do,

0:17:40they did it with way more people at the minute BC, right?

0:17:42Just sat in the elevator, watch a video.

0:17:44But this allows for the hands-on areas and the briefings

0:17:49and that kind of stuff to happen

0:17:50in the environment that they would like.

0:17:52Who knows? None of us, right, got invited to go now. No, no, we just all kind of got

0:18:02emails to say hey, we're all upset. No, that's that's no, we're not. We did this one. I did

0:18:10this once already this year. Didn't go great. So wasn't Kenan doing it again.

0:18:16iPhones, Apple Watches, I guess is what we're expecting.

0:18:21- Yeah.

0:18:22- Especially now, we're gonna talk about iOS 16.1 later on,

0:18:26but it seems pretty clear cut now

0:18:27what will and won't be at this event.

0:18:30- I mean, it seems like this one's pretty nailed down.

0:18:33I feel like we've known about the four phone strategy

0:18:36for a long time now.

0:18:39And we've read a lot about the Apple Watch Pro

0:18:44that, you know, Gherman in particular

0:18:46has written a lot about.

0:18:47So I don't know if we'll see many surprises here,

0:18:50hardware wise, the only sort of wild card in my mind

0:18:53is something AirPods, you know, maybe new AirPods Pro.

0:18:58- Well, it's about time for the Pro 2 for sure.

0:19:01Maybe the new Max iteration,

0:19:07but for sure, like it's about time I think for a second,

0:19:11for a revision to the AirPods Pro.

0:19:13It's been over two years, I believe, at this point.

0:19:17But yeah, hardware-wise, I agree, that's possibly,

0:19:21I mean, and I mean, there's always the wild

0:19:24like accessory prediction,

0:19:26like they're gonna do a new cleaning cloth or something.

0:19:29(laughing)

0:19:30You know, new cables. - You just wanna be

0:19:31in the New York Times again.

0:19:32- Well, prepare for the grand return of Mr. Vitici

0:19:36in the New York Times, if they do that.

0:19:37- Wow.

0:19:39- You know me, I'm a collector of cleaning cloths,

0:19:43And yeah, but that's, you know, we'll have to see what they do.

0:19:48But yeah, I guess I am curious myself

0:19:52about the positioning of the Apple Watch Pro model.

0:19:56Because typically, Pro models, like sure, the iPhone Pros

0:20:01and the iPad Pros are--

0:20:03they are very broadly aimed at professionals.

0:20:07Like on the iPad Pro, the Pro features are--

0:20:12There are some functionalities that, sure, artists

0:20:15can take advantage of.

0:20:16But really, pro means best model.

0:20:20That's what it means.

0:20:21And same on the iPhone.

0:20:22Sure, some features are directly aimed at photographers,

0:20:26but really, pro means this is the best version of the iPhone

0:20:29that you can get.

0:20:30There was an article on The Verge,

0:20:32I think, from last year that pro has lost all its meaning now.

0:20:35And I kind of agree with that.

0:20:36Pro just means the more expensive one with more stuff.

0:20:39So, in the context of the Apple Watch, the rumors that we've heard so far are pointing at a watch

0:20:45aimed at people who are into extreme sports, and you know, so this is like a rugged version.

0:20:51And I kind of understand all of that because they want to capture the market

0:20:55where companies like Fitbit and Garmin are still very much selling these more advanced watches for

0:21:01those kinds of activities. So watches that you can go multiple days, you can go on a hike,

0:21:06and it's got a giant battery in it, and it's got more accurate GPS, a more accurate altimeter,

0:21:12for example, all that kind of stuff. There's still a market of people buying those more advanced

0:21:17watches. But isn't that too small a niche for Apple to say this is Apple Watch Pro? So I kind

0:21:24of wonder if, sure, those features will be in the Apple Watch Pro, but the positioning from Apple

0:21:30will be a little broader so that people like Myke and I, I don't think we are into extreme sports,

0:21:37last time I checked, but also people like Myke and I could say "you know what, this is the best

0:21:41version, I'm just gonna get an Apple Watch Pro". I'm curious about that. Yes, I've had that thought

0:21:47too, like I... if the features of this thing are like "it's strong, it's tough", I was like "I don't

0:21:55don't need those right. Okay, so Stephen does, but I don't need those features

0:22:02and even just like so that I mean you know and there's things they could add

0:22:06to it. Maybe that would be more interested in like for me, bigger screen.

0:22:10No, I don't think I need the watch to be bigger. So like, but you know some

0:22:14people would want that and that's not about rugged at all. It's just about

0:22:18like, oh, do you really love the Apple watch or wouldn't it be better if it was

0:22:22bigger, which is like you know that's the way it is for for a lot of devices.

0:22:25So I am intrigued to see what they position this as.

0:22:30I do agree that like whilst I wanted it to be called Apple Watch Extreme because I thought that was fun,

0:22:35Apple Watch Pro is probably just a better catch-all name to cover off a bunch of people, right?

0:22:41Like they can say it's stronger, they can say it's more durable,

0:22:44but that doesn't make it a rugged sports watch.

0:22:47But they can say it has longer battery life and a bigger screen

0:22:51and that kind of appeals to a whole bigger, more broad set of people that way.

0:22:58Just so it's the pro one, it's just got more of all of it.

0:23:02So that's the one thing that I'm keeping an eye on.

0:23:06Everything else seems that we pretty much know what's going to happen.

0:23:11The mini iPhone is going away.

0:23:13We're going to get two sizes per line of iPhone 14.

0:23:18I guess maybe the other area where, and this is also where we get the points usually for

0:23:27a risky pick for the Ricky's which are coming up, but iOS taking advantage of new stuff

0:23:35that's exclusive to the 14 line. That's maybe an area where there could be surprises waiting

0:23:42for us. I'm sure there's going to be some photography related additional like a new

0:23:46I expect there'll be quite a lot of that for the Pro phone if the things are true, right?

0:23:51Which is the removal of the notch, the addition of an always-on display.

0:23:57And I don't know if they'll do software stuff for the camera because the camera on the Pro is

0:24:04like a physically different thing, potentially, is what the rumors are. It's like a 48 megapixel

0:24:10camera. So that on its own will be enough. Honestly, I was thinking about this. I hope

0:24:14that this is the removal of that sweater mode thing. What was it called? Deep Fusion.

0:24:20Deep Fusion. I hope that the higher megapixel camera means they can get rid of that feature.

0:24:25Because I a lot of the time don't like what it does to my images and I think they shouldn't need

0:24:33to do that anymore if they have a higher megapixel camera which will still just be binned down so they

0:24:38can take advantage of all of the additional information coming from the sensor. I still

0:24:44think if they are increasing the RAM on the Pro models, I still think that, well, I don't

0:24:54know, could they do it? But split view on the iPhone, I still think that it would make

0:24:58sense. Now, I cannot reuse this as a risky pick in our game, because that was my risky

0:25:05pick for WWDC, but I still think multi-casking on the big iPhones, Apple probably needs to

0:25:14do more on that front, especially if they're gonna go...

0:25:18Stage manager is what you're saying.

0:25:21Stage manager on iPhone.

0:25:22Stage manager on the iPhone.

0:25:24I mean honestly, that UI would probably make more sense on a phone with the little cards

0:25:30that you can swipe away.

0:25:31It's just a smaller stage.

0:25:32I mean, at that point, you're kind of remaking web OS, if you think about it.

0:25:36And you have those little stacks of...

0:25:38Wouldn't that be wonderful, though?

0:25:39You have those little stacks of windows that you can swipe away to multitask.

0:25:42I mean, come on.

0:25:44Man, I remember when they introduced the Plus phones, and it was like,

0:25:48"You can turn your phone sideways and everything changes."

0:25:51I mean, that all just went away.

0:25:53I will say, Federico, to your point there, like,

0:25:56the fact that there will be two large phones, if they're going to do it,

0:26:01they could do it, right? Imagine if they do. I will lose my mind if they do that. I mean,

0:26:07I would be so happy, honestly. Because I honestly find myself wishing for it all the time. And

0:26:14if there's a company that can make it look nicer than Android, I mean, Apple can do it.

0:26:21Just from a fundamental level it works, because picture-in-picture exists, right? Exactly.

0:26:24I can fill up like a large portion of my phone with picture-in-picture, and I do frequently,

0:26:29and I can still use my phone, right?

0:26:31So like, you know, I would love to see it.

0:26:35You'd love to see it.

0:26:36- You can have picture in picture on a phone.

0:26:38You can have a keyboard that floats on one side

0:26:41or the other side.

0:26:42I mean, why not have split view at this point?

0:26:44You can do drag and drop between amps.

0:26:46I mean, all the parts are there.

0:26:49But also this is like a major developer related thing

0:26:53that probably needs to wait for WWDC if they ever do it.

0:26:57But I mean, on iOS, you're essentially,

0:27:00I don't want to say that you're scraping

0:27:02the bottom of a barrel these days

0:27:04when it comes to innovation on the phone OS,

0:27:07but also they kind of are.

0:27:09And I mean, widgets are saving them this year,

0:27:12but really like what, well, we'll talk about this.

0:27:14This is sort of the angle that I'm taking for my iOS review.

0:27:17So we'll talk about this later, but yeah.

0:27:19- We're doing the Ricky's next week.

0:27:21So happy for two week notices to come back.

0:27:23- Yes.

0:27:24- So happy.

0:27:26Thank you to whoever did that.

0:27:28Devin, not having, 'cause we would have had, you know,

0:27:31we wouldn't have had 10 minutes notice

0:27:33it probably would have been a bit like a day

0:27:35and it would have sucked.

0:27:36So I'm so happy that we get more notice.

0:27:41- Well, although that means that iOS is coming up very soon.

0:27:47And I, you know, I'm starting to feel that pressure

0:27:53of, yeah, it's happening.

0:27:55I really hope it's not the day after the event. I hope they stick to next week. So we'll see.

0:28:03What do you think though?

0:28:06Right? I think they're gonna do the following Monday. My perfect scenario would be the following

0:28:15Wednesday. So a week from today. When it's event day, obviously. My ideal scenario would be at the

0:28:22the event or in a press release, they say next week on Wednesday. So I have a full

0:28:28week to finish everything. But I think it's also very likely that they're gonna

0:28:33do Monday instead of Wednesday of the following week. Let's try and plan out

0:28:37some of these dates here and look at my calendar. So I think they're gonna do iOS

0:28:41on the 12th. So we've got event on the 7th, iOS on the 12th. Are we thinking

0:28:48iPhones on the 16th? Yeah. So pre-orders on the 9th, right? Where's the September calendar?

0:28:57So the 9th is Friday. Exactly, exactly. So they could also do... So I mentioned Wednesday because

0:29:03in the past they have done the new iOS releases on the Wednesday with the new iPhones coming out

0:29:09on the Friday. They have done this. Although I believe that in the past couple of years they

0:29:14I've released iOS on a Monday, hence why I'm mentioning the 12 instead.

0:29:21Maybe they do it on Tuesday. Give it one extra day. It's probably good to be ready for the

0:29:2812 though. Well, they'll say though, won't they? But mentally now as you're preparing.

0:29:34I'm preparing for the 12, yeah. So we'll see. How many days do I have? 20?

0:29:43about 20 days to finish it and edit it. No, like 18 or 19. Well 19, yeah. Yeah. We'll get there.

0:29:55Eventually. 16th would be nice. Podcastathon day. New iPhones in the morning, provided Stephen can

0:30:06get one. Yeah, every week. For each of us. Because that's what he had to do before. This is the first

0:30:12podcast of the Stephen had to buy buy an iPhone for me yep because I was

0:30:17obviously in America that day did it helpful did it work when you went back

0:30:21to the UK yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah there are certain bands and this one was the

0:30:285g thing could be a problem yeah I've just realized a little worried about

0:30:32that oh that might be an issue maybe maybe we get your Apple watch here

0:30:38instead of a phone.

0:30:39- No, no, no, I can check it.

0:30:40Like if the current one works, then the next one will work.

0:30:44'Cause I just, we don't have millimeter wave, right?

0:30:46So the millimeter wave stuff is like, whatever,

0:30:50that won't work, but it doesn't currently.

0:30:52But we have like the regular 5G, whatever that's called.

0:30:54- Mid-band?

0:30:57- Something, something, something, yep.

0:30:59- To be fair, most people in the US

0:31:01have never experienced millimeter wave either,

0:31:03so it's fine.

0:31:05I've seen it one time and I couldn't connect to it.

0:31:09The phone said it was on there, but it had no data.

0:31:12So that was exciting.

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0:33:46Apple has expanded their self-service repair program.

0:33:50And this was announced a while back

0:33:51and we got some iPhone components

0:33:54for select late model iPhones.

0:33:56And now the M1 MacBook Air, the M1 MacBook Pro

0:34:01and the 14 and 16 inch MacBook Pros have been added

0:34:06to the self service repair store.

0:34:08This is only in the US, but it's supposed to expand outside

0:34:12beyond the US including Europe later this year unknown.

0:34:17- Still continues to be later,

0:34:19but they've said it again like later.

0:34:22- Yeah, I mean there's some months left, you know.

0:34:25- Yeah, sure there's laters.

0:34:26had a moment the other day where I needed to schedule something for three months out. I was

0:34:30like, Oh, that's during the holidays. I'm like, Nope, I don't like that. So the self service

0:34:37repair for the MacBook Air and MacBook Pro, there's more than a dozen different repairs for each

0:34:42model. These include basically everything you think it would write the display, the top case

0:34:48of battery, which I'm going to come back to in a minute the trackpad with even more coming on again

0:34:54later. Jason actually over in Six Colors has a full list of all the parts. I would like, I would,

0:35:03I think we should read this, read this list. What do you guys think? Yeah. How do you want to,

0:35:08do you have a special way you like this? I think we round robin them. Okay, who starts? Federico

0:35:15and then Myke and then me. Okay. Okay, wow, this is an easy one. Antenna module, MacBook Air only.

0:35:22Audio board. Audio board flex cable. MacBook Air only. Battery.

0:35:28MacBook Air only. Battery Management Unit.

0:35:31BMU. Flex cable. Bottom case.

0:35:34Display. Display hinge covers.

0:35:38Embedded Display Port Flex Cable with Connector Calling.

0:35:42MBA. MacBook Air. And 13 inch MacBook Pro only.

0:35:48Fans.

0:35:50Well there's a parenthesis. No it's good. MacBook Pro only. Yeah the MacBook Air doesn't have any fans.

0:35:59I/O board, MacBook Air and 13-inch MacBook Pro only. Keycap replacement.

0:36:08LID angle sensor, LAS, module, 14 inch and 16 inch MacBook Pro only.

0:36:16Logic board, MagSafe 3 board, 14 and 16 inch MacBook Pro only.

0:36:22Speakers, MacBook Air and 13 inch MacBook Pro only.

0:36:27Top case, MacBook Air only.

0:36:29Top case with battery, MacBook Pro only.

0:36:33Touch ID board.

0:36:36trackpad and trackpad flex cable.

0:36:39USB-C boards, 14 and 16 inch MacBook Pro only.

0:36:43Beautiful.

0:36:44It's a lot of parts.

0:36:46Nice.

0:36:46Yeah.

0:36:47So actually it is quite a lot of parts.

0:36:48I have a couple of questions.

0:36:49Keycap replacement.

0:36:50I'm intrigued at that because different, different?

0:36:54No, all the same, right?

0:36:56Yeah.

0:36:56Cause the MacBook Air, yes.

0:36:58Well, even if they are different, you're ordering against your serial number.

0:37:01So they would know like if there's some discrete, small difference somewhere

0:37:06they'll send you the right thing I'm sure. On that you have to provide your

0:37:11serial number to get access to parts. You can buy the tools without the serial

0:37:16numbers but this is unlike the iPhone so with the iPhone you just go buy parts

0:37:20but to buy stuff from the Mac store you have to provide a serial number. 9to5Mac

0:37:26spoke with the support team and confirmed that you can only swap out

0:37:31out matching parts.

0:37:33Basically, you can't use this as a way

0:37:36to get more RAM for your computer and stuff like that.

0:37:39- Yeah, this is how, I mean, a hundred years ago

0:37:42when I was in this business, this is how it worked then too.

0:37:45Like you were trading like for like parts.

0:37:47So if you were replacing a logic board

0:37:50with a two gigahertz core two duo,

0:37:53you were putting that same logic board exactly

0:37:57back in the machine.

0:37:58and Apple verified when you sent parts back

0:38:02that you weren't doing something like this.

0:38:04And I would imagine now

0:38:08that basically everything is the logic board.

0:38:10Like they're gonna be really, really careful

0:38:13to make sure people are doing

0:38:15what they're supposed to do here.

0:38:17I think it's interesting reading this list too.

0:38:20It's very clear in reading this

0:38:21that the MacBook Air and the MacBook Pro,

0:38:23the 13 inch are the old design

0:38:26because they don't have MagSafe.

0:38:29They don't have the USB-C ports as separate daughterboards.

0:38:33So like on the 14 to 16, if you break the USB-C port,

0:38:37you're not replacing the whole logic board.

0:38:38It's its own discrete component

0:38:40that you fish out of there and plug in a new one.

0:38:43So it's kind of interesting to see the differences to me

0:38:46as someone who spent a lot of time

0:38:47taking these things apart over the years

0:38:49to kind of see where this line is drawn

0:38:53between these models.

0:38:55I'm going to put my serial number in.

0:38:58- Okay.

0:38:59- What repair type do we wanna look at?

0:39:04We've got audio board, battery management,

0:39:06basically the parts, right?

0:39:08- Yeah.

0:39:08- What do you wanna know?

0:39:09- I think we do logic board.

0:39:11Let's go for the big one.

0:39:12- Okay.

0:39:13Logic board, processing your request.

0:39:16Man, it's taking a long time.

0:39:19It's just spinning here.

0:39:20- It's not a good website,

0:39:21but we've talked about that before.

0:39:23- So it pre-fills a bunch of stuff.

0:39:24So it's pre-filled, 10 core, 24 core GPU,

0:39:2864 gigabytes memory, two terabyte SSD.

0:39:31So it's pre-filled that, so I press search.

0:39:34It will cost $2,550.24 to change the logic board,

0:39:39which comes with the touch ID board.

0:39:42And I would, but off the credit,

0:39:45so you can send the old items back to them.

0:39:48If they accept them, it would cost me $500 total.

0:39:51- Right.

0:39:53- Yeah, it's basically a core charge,

0:39:54very common in the repair industry.

0:39:57It's definitely true for cars too, right?

0:39:59Like if you need an alternator,

0:40:00they send you your old one back

0:40:02and you get a discount or something.

0:40:03So none of that's super unusual.

0:40:06I mean, there are some, you know,

0:40:10there are some things to talk about here,

0:40:13I think in terms of how,

0:40:15like how useful this program actually is.

0:40:17And we talked about this in the,

0:40:18when it was out for the iPhone too,

0:40:21that, you know, most consumers aren't going to want to do this.

0:40:26Right? Most people are not going to open a phone or a laptop, they

0:40:30would if it needs a repair, they'd rather spend the $500 or

0:40:34whatever it is with the Apple Store or with a service provider.

0:40:39And then they know that it's being done correctly by someone

0:40:42who knows what they're doing, who has the expertise and the

0:40:44tools and stuff already. This is great for people who want to do

0:40:49their own thing. And there are a lot of people in our audience

0:40:51who probably would take advantage of this

0:40:53if something came up.

0:40:54I know that if I had a machine that needed something,

0:40:57I would definitely be tempted to do it.

0:40:58But again, I have the expertise to do this sort of thing.

0:41:01I already have a bunch of the tools too,

0:41:03at least to do the Mac stuff.

0:41:04It's not like crazy iPhone panini presses or anything.

0:41:08It's just screwdrivers and that sort of thing

0:41:12to take these apart.

0:41:13- Yes, the tools are a little bit more...

0:41:16- Pedestrian?

0:41:19Pedestrians are good friends. They're logical but yeah, but yeah, they're like it's just different, right?

0:41:24It's just like these the Mac tools are like they just like tools. Yeah

0:41:29Yeah, you can buy a nice set of like, you know torques bits from I fix it and go at it

0:41:34So and they have some stuff like they have like specialized key cap levers

0:41:37It's just like a 3d printed things but like, you know, they've just got like the toolkit

0:41:42Is a tool kit. It's not like this huge 80 pounds of machinery

0:41:48Yeah, like a pound thing. It's just like a box like a pelican case with a bunch of tools in it, you know, so

0:41:54It's more kind of like what you would expect. I

0:41:59Got that really cool screwdriver. I got you for your birthday. It's a very good screwdriver. It's very good

0:42:06the

0:42:08The folks that I fix it had some commentary on this that I thought was interesting and I actually don't necessarily agree with them

0:42:15They had a blog post up

0:42:18basically complaining about the the battery repair in the MacBook Pro and

0:42:24There you can go read the blog post. It's long what it boils down to is

0:42:29That on some of these models to replace the battery you're actually replacing the battery keyboard and top case as

0:42:36One component and they say well on one hand

0:42:40You know the iPhone or the iPad Apple's actually done some things to make it easier to replace the battery

0:42:45I mean still you're still heating it up and dealing with adhesives and all that stuff. But you know, it's it's a

0:42:50Discrete component where on some of the MacBook Pros that's actually not the case and they they quote that it takes 162 pages of

0:42:59Repair guide to get you to the place where you're doing the battery keyboard top case on the MacBook Pro

0:43:04The way these machines are built and the way they've been built since the unibody introduction

0:43:10like in

0:43:132008 on the MacBook Pro so 14 years, you know 15 years if you go back to the original MacBook Air is

0:43:19the top case is the structure of these machines and

0:43:23Everything is built attached to the top case

0:43:27So if you take your laptop and you close it and you turn it upside down

0:43:30So you're looking at the feet in the bottom case that bottom case is just a thin piece of metal all the structure

0:43:37And all the screw bosses and everything is attached

0:43:40to that top case.

0:43:42And so when you're replacing something like the battery,

0:43:47you know, Apple has for a long time

0:43:51made the battery and keyboard and top case all one component.

0:43:55And I think iFixit's complaint is,

0:43:58well, shouldn't the battery be a bit more modular?

0:44:01And I don't necessarily disagree with that,

0:44:04but at the same time,

0:44:05like I think if they had the expectation

0:44:07that Apple is going to radically change

0:44:09they're going to design and build their products with the

0:44:12foreknowledge of them being in the self service repair program

0:44:16in the future. Clearly, they're not going to do that. And I, you

0:44:20know, I don't know if hoping that they would what was the

0:44:23right move or not, because Apple knows that a very, very, very

0:44:29small percentage of people are ever going to take advantage of

0:44:32this program. And the people who get paid to take these things

0:44:35apart, have the correct training, and the tools and the

0:44:38expertise to do it. And that's not going to change right? Like

0:44:42if I was still in the Apple authorized service provider

0:44:45business, and this came out, I would not be nervous. I would

0:44:48not worry about this shutting down my service business because

0:44:51show most people aren't going to crack open their 14 inch MacBook

0:44:54Pro. So I get what I fix it saying. And I agree that yeah,

0:44:58it'd be nicer if it were easier, but I don't necessarily think

0:45:01that was going to be a reasonable expectation. And I

0:45:05would say that when it's really going to get interesting is when

0:45:08the iMac and the Mac studio show up on this website because they are much more difficult

0:45:16to open than a MacBook Pro or a MacBook Air they are more akin to iPhones.

0:45:23Now I have not opened a you know one of the new M1 iMacs but the Intel iMacs for years

0:45:30there's been a strip of adhesive between the glass and the aluminum that you get this little

0:45:34tool and you actually cut the adhesive from the outside and then you have to like peel

0:45:39the thing off and clean it.

0:45:40It's all this really big project.

0:45:43It's not hard if you have the skills, but it's time consuming.

0:45:46And if you don't have the skills and I've done this in front of people, you're like

0:45:49putting SSDs and IMAX and stuff and everyone's like, Oh my God, like what are you doing?

0:45:53The sound it makes, you know, you're going to drop the screen, like all of these concerns.

0:45:57So I don't, I don't know how happy iFix is going to be about that either.

0:46:00And I would say to iFix it look, and I really like iFix it.

0:46:03that I have a bunch of their tools,

0:46:04I've used a bunch of their parts,

0:46:05I will continue to do so.

0:46:06Overall, this is a good thing that this is out here.

0:46:09So like, take a breath, that's what I'm saying.

0:46:12Take a victory lap because iFixit in particular

0:46:15has led the way to right to repair

0:46:18leading to programs like this.

0:46:20And so I get what they're saying,

0:46:22but I kind of felt weird reading the blog post.

0:46:25- Breaking, Stephen Hackett slams iFixit,

0:46:28says take a breath.

0:46:29- Yeah, I can see the headline,

0:46:32Indie blogger slams iFixit.

0:46:35- Calls them hysterical.

0:46:37- Wow. - Wow.

0:46:38- I mean, I agree with you, but like, look,

0:46:43you know, this is iFixit's whole thing, right?

0:46:47- Right.

0:46:48- They're never gonna be happy with anything

0:46:50Apple's ever going to do in this arena.

0:46:54Because the two, like in the same way

0:46:58say that apple is never going to do what i fix it wants them to do i fix it to

0:47:01never going to be happy with what apple does like these are two opposing forces

0:47:06over this issue where, like apple are being dragged kicking and screaming

0:47:11because of the work of people like i fix it towards a better right to repair

0:47:15strategy, but apple are never going to be like like that laptop where you can

0:47:21pull out the parts of the framework, the framework laptop, they're never going

0:47:24like that. They're just not. And like, because that product has a bunch of design issues

0:47:30because of the fact that it is how it is. And Apple is just not going to be like that.

0:47:34So they're happier to do something like this where they can tick the box. Technically they

0:47:39can say you can, users can do this if they want to, but then at the same time continue

0:47:44to make it easier for users to get their parts in for repairs at proper places would be,

0:47:52the right I think is a better move ultimately. You know maybe at some point

0:47:56we will do this I'm sure that in the coming days we'll see people on YouTube

0:48:01getting their their hands on the stuff and that'll be interesting to see you

0:48:04know probably less interesting than the iPhone because again you get two road

0:48:08cases full of equipment shipped to you like I mean. It is kind of hilarious that

0:48:12like the bigger machine the bigger like maybe more complicated machine you just

0:48:17get a set of tools. Yeah and the teeny tiny iPhone you've got a basically be Tony Stark

0:48:21to figure it out. You need a truck to take it back to the post office. See I

0:48:28mean I'm overall I'm very happy this is here and that Apple is you know staying

0:48:34through to the word that they are rolling this out. I wonder moving

0:48:39forward if the the gap in time is gonna be about what we've seen so like the 14

0:48:44is 16 inch MacBook Pro been out what nine months or so and now they're on

0:48:47this repair site? Like, how long till the M2 Air shows up on this? You know, is it going

0:48:53to be nine months? Is it going to be faster? When will the iPhone 14 show up? These are

0:48:58questions we don't have answers to yet. But all in all, I'm excited to see Apple continue

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0:51:05- So I think this was last week Federico made mention

0:51:10to using a different Twitter client.

0:51:13- Yes, that was last week.

0:51:15- And you shared, well, we could work it out

0:51:19'cause it was in the tweets.

0:51:20Spring.

0:51:23- Spring, yes.

0:51:25- Can I just say before you get into this,

0:51:27I've been trying out this app a little bit.

0:51:29I cannot remember the name of this application.

0:51:32There is something about it where I'm like what's called swipe everything whenever I'm trying to search for it. I

0:51:37Can't remember its name. I think there's just something about the word spring which I get doesn't connect with Twitter in my brain

0:51:45And so like I haven't been able to like make a link

0:51:49But yeah, I can never remember the name spring spring scholar

0:51:52Just call it teachy tweet or something and then you're gonna remember

0:51:55But I can't find that by searching you could make a shortcut name

0:52:00Whatever you said true teach you tweet tweet and then launch that that launches the ass

0:52:07Yes, yeah

0:52:09But anyway, yeah, I promised I would talk about this and and yes, let's talk about it

0:52:16So I've been using the app for the past couple of weeks, you know me

0:52:21I'm always on the lookout for cool new stuff made by indie developers. This is one of them. I

0:52:27I am really, really impressed with this third-party Twitter

0:52:31client.

0:52:32It's been around for a while.

0:52:34I was familiar with it before.

0:52:36I took it for a spin, I want to say, last year,

0:52:41maybe a couple of years ago.

0:52:42I don't know how long it's been around,

0:52:43but I remember checking this out a while back,

0:52:47not being impressed with it.

0:52:48And then I got a couple of emails from readers

0:52:52and a message from a Discord member saying, hey,

0:52:54I don't know if you ever checked out the app.

0:52:57I'm not affiliated with the developer or anything.

0:52:59I just think it's something you should check out.

0:53:01And they were right. - That's what they all say,

0:53:02Federico, that's how they get you, you know.

0:53:04- Do you think it's secretly like a ring of people

0:53:07who are affiliated with developers?

0:53:09I don't know. - I would say

0:53:11there probably is some of that,

0:53:12but I doubt in this case.

0:53:14- Interesting, interesting theory.

0:53:16So we'll explore that at some point.

0:53:19(laughing)

0:53:20For now, we'll get into that.

0:53:24for now. So this is the kind of Twitter client that, like, it's got that sort of vibe of "I can't

0:53:30believe no one is talking about this" sort of vibe. Like, this app is so good, but it's not typically,

0:53:37you know, included in the roundups of, like, "What's a third-party Twitter client on Apple

0:53:41platforms?" Well, Tweetbot and Twitterrific and maybe Aviary, like, these are the usual names that

0:53:46you see. I personally find, at the moment, right now, this app superior to everything else.

0:53:53So it covers all the bases, right? It's got iCutSync, it's got push notifications based on the new Twitter API,

0:54:01so it can alert you for DMs, but also it's got some cool settings for push notifications.

0:54:06This is a common theme of the app, it's got some cool settings. I'll explain this in a few minutes.

0:54:11It can tell you, for example, what someone you follow also replies to you, kind of like in the Twitter app.

0:54:18It's got that sort of push notification. It's got tons of keyboard shortcuts. It supports

0:54:23multi-window on the iPad. It's available on the Mac, so you can get a single consistent

0:54:29experience on iPhone, iPad, and the Mac. And this is the thing that impressed me.

0:54:35It feels very native to Apple platforms. So, for example, native context menus everywhere,

0:54:44integration with shortcuts, custom app icons, as I mentioned, keyboard shortcuts, like all the latest

0:54:51and greatest technologies, this app uses them. I'll get into this in a minute, but this is one

0:54:58of the very few third-party apps that already use center windows, if you use the traditional

0:55:06split view slide-over environment, which means, as a side benefit, because this developer did the

0:55:12work to support center windows last year, now this app works perfectly in Stage Manager as well,

0:55:18out of the box. So that was pretty cool. Now, as I said a minute ago, one of the common themes

0:55:26with Spring is infinite customization. And I think it's been done in a very thoughtful way

0:55:33that doesn't feel as daunting as something like iCab or, I don't know, Obsidian, like those apps

0:55:40that basically have like pages and pages of settings. This app has a lot of settings but

0:55:47they are very well organized and the most important customization feature I think is the fact that

0:55:54you can fully customize the entire tab bar of the app. And by fully customized I really mean it,

0:56:03like you don't want to have the main home timeline, you can rearrange it on screen in

0:56:09in the tab bar and put it elsewhere. You can change the labels, like the names, of all

0:56:14the tab bar items. You can change the icons for every single tab bar item, choosing from

0:56:21the whole collection of SF symbols. But most importantly, you can make your own tabs. And

0:56:27this is what really sticks out for me and why I find this app, besides well designed

0:56:34them fast and very native to iPhone and iPad, but just useful. The idea that you can...

0:56:41This is, I guess, the key feature of Spring. You can turn everything you want into a section,

0:56:48into a tab, including saved searches. So, for example, I like to view my mentions on

0:56:56Twitter as a combination of replies and people who quote tweet my tweets. I had an article

0:57:03a few years ago on Mac, sorry about this, on how you can build this sort of search yourself

0:57:09using the advanced Twitter search operators. I just like to view replies and quote tweets

0:57:16in the same screen. That saved search, I made it into my mentions tab in Spring. Just like

0:57:24that. You can search for stuff.

0:57:25Because you can like customize what tabs are, right?

0:57:29- Yeah, and you can create new tabs.

0:57:31Like you can customize the existing ones,

0:57:34but you can also make new ones.

0:57:36That's the idea.

0:57:37And it goes beyond that.

0:57:38So saved searches or any kind of search can become a tab.

0:57:43A user profile can become its own tab.

0:57:46So let's say you really like Myke

0:57:48and you're really into checking the follower count

0:57:51for Myke Hurley, you can turn Myke's profile

0:57:55into a tab in Spring.

0:57:57So every once in a while, you're like,

0:58:00"Hey, let me check on Myke's follower account."

0:58:01And you're like, you open that tab and you can see it.

0:58:04In my case, I had a less creepy use case,

0:58:08which is I'm logged in with my personal account,

0:58:11but I also wanna quickly get access

0:58:13to the Mac Stories profile to see like,

0:58:16not just the followers, but like the latest tweets

0:58:18that we shared for articles.

0:58:20And so the Mac Stories profile is pinned

0:58:22to my top bar as its own tab.

0:58:25The top bar, like on the iPhone,

0:58:28obviously you're limited in space at the bottom,

0:58:30but there's a couple of things you can do.

0:58:32First, you can put items in an overflow menu

0:58:37so that all the extra tabs that don't fit

0:58:41at the bottom of the screen, you can get them in a menu,

0:58:44or you can make the top bar scrollable horizontally.

0:58:48So you can scroll through

0:58:49and you can reach all the other tabs.

0:58:51On the iPad, it's much better.

0:58:53You can also increase it up to nine.

0:58:56Yes.

0:58:56Nine things.

0:58:58But it gets kind of awkward to tap elements.

0:59:02Yeah.

0:59:02On the iPad, it's much better because the top bar

0:59:05is this thin strip on the left edge of the screen,

0:59:10and it fits a ton of items because there's

0:59:13a ton of vertical space there.

0:59:15So yeah, being able to turn anything into its own tab

0:59:20into a custom section, that's lovely.

0:59:22This is one of the few apps, one of the few third-party apps that lets you view retweets

0:59:29and likes to your tweets or someone else's tweets.

0:59:34In the context menu, which you can also customize obviously, like the entire context menu that

0:59:40you get when you long press or right click on a tweet, that's also customizable, that

0:59:45menu has two buttons called "view retweets" and "view likes".

0:59:49"Hey, I like to see what people like and retweet my stuff, so that helps."

0:59:56Typically, I would have to use the Twitter app or Twitter website for that, but here

1:00:00I can do it in Spring.

1:00:02Timeline filters are incredible.

1:00:04So there's this filter button at the top of the timeline.

1:00:07This is not a new idea, but I think it's been done better in Spring.

1:00:11So you can filter your timeline based on type of tweet or content.

1:00:17So for example, you can exclude retweets or quote tweets or threads or replies, or you

1:00:25can just view original tweets.

1:00:27And then you can mix and match this with content types.

1:00:30So you can do things like show me all articles, like show me all links that are also original

1:00:36tweets, or show me all retweets that are images or that are GIFs.

1:00:42becomes like a really fun way to open just memes from your timeline. Like, show me retweets that

1:00:49are also animated GIFs. You can mix and match these filters and you can save them and you can

1:00:56pin them, like, the whole deal. Filtering the timeline is incredible. There's a notifications tab

1:01:03that is similar to the Twitter one. It aggregates your activity. So notifications, how many people

1:01:09liked or retweeted your tweets. It doesn't update as, like, it's not as real time as

1:01:16Twitter's official thing.

1:01:19I find the information presentation of that tab specifically to be quite awkward.

1:01:25How so?

1:01:26Like, I can see that, like, they're going for what Twitter does.

1:01:29Yeah.

1:01:30But I think, like, there are a few things, like, the profile pictures are way larger

1:01:35than the content that it's referring to, for example.

1:01:39But I appreciate that this is like the only third-party app that I've seen do this and

1:01:49threading in the way that it does them.

1:01:52They do the threading in the timeline just like, or very similar to how Twitter does

1:01:58it.

1:01:59Which I miss in third-party applications, honestly.

1:02:02I am so used to the Twitter app and the Twitter website to when somebody replies to something

1:02:08to see the original tweet in the context of that reply.

1:02:13And Spring does it, just like Twitter.

1:02:16And if you don't like it, you can turn it off.

1:02:18Again, there's the kind of stuff that you

1:02:19can customize in settings.

1:02:20So yeah, it's really about this collection of small features

1:02:24that may be taken on their own.

1:02:29They don't seem like much, but together they really

1:02:32adapt to this kind of experience that combines some of the things

1:02:37that I do like about Twitter's official products,

1:02:41but also some of the many other conveniences

1:02:44of third-party apps, like no ads and a ton

1:02:47of Apple-native features.

1:02:51Lastly, I do want to mention how this app deals on the iPad

1:02:55with columns and windows.

1:02:58And this is maybe the area where I

1:03:00wish the developer had done things a bit differently.

1:03:06So you can open detailed views for tweets or profiles in a secondary column.

1:03:15But you cannot open multiple columns like you used to do in TweetDeck or how you can

1:03:21do in Aviary or how you can do in TweetBot for Mac.

1:03:25You cannot spawn column after column after column.

1:03:30You cannot do that.

1:03:31Instead, the app lets you open multiple windows.

1:03:34So that's how I've been using it on the iPad.

1:03:36Just one window with my home timeline and another window for a saved search or something

1:03:42else like my mentions.

1:03:45But I do wish that you could actually have one window for Spring but multiple vertical

1:03:52columns.

1:03:53I find this to be incredibly weird and complicated.

1:03:59Most of the time where I'm using Spring, the column on the right is empty.

1:04:04And like, that is very strange to me.

1:04:07Right?

1:04:08You know what I'm saying?

1:04:09Using it on the iPad and on the Mac.

1:04:11Like that column on the right, I can only seem to fill that column if I click on something

1:04:17where I would like say, to just choose what goes in that column.

1:04:20Yes.

1:04:21I find that to be really weird because most of the time that is just an empty, it's either

1:04:26it empty or it is filled with something that I'm not interested in anymore.

1:04:30Because I clicked on a tweet and got more context with it, but then I just left it there

1:04:36and it's like an hour later and that tweet is still just strange. That's an odd design choice.

1:04:42Exactly, yeah, exactly. I agree. I hope the developer listens to our feedback maybe here

1:04:50and that they rethink the way that columns work on the app.

1:04:55But so far, I'm doing OK with multi-window on the iPad.

1:04:59And as I mentioned, this app works very well

1:05:02with Stage Manager already, because it fully

1:05:04supports multi-window.

1:05:05So there's that.

1:05:06But yeah, typically, when I switch back

1:05:10to a third-party client, two things happen.

1:05:15I either find myself constantly opening the Twitter website

1:05:19as a fallback because there's always information that I'm missing from a third-party client,

1:05:24or I just go back to the main Twitter app on my iPhone after like a week.

1:05:31And I'm not doing that since I started using Spring.

1:05:34And I think for me a huge part of that is being able to pin saved searches anywhere

1:05:42in the apps UI, but also having real multi-window support and having the threading in the server

1:05:49The timeline is also huge for me, and being able to see who liked or retweeted my tweets.

1:05:56Those features that are inspired by the Twitter app, I think those are combined with the sort

1:06:05of things that I expect from a quality indie experience, like context menus, multi-window,

1:06:11keyboard shortcuts.

1:06:13Those two things combined are helping me stick with Spring and, you know, yeah.

1:06:20I really like it.

1:06:22If you're, like, I guess what I would say is if you're curious about a different take

1:06:27on a third-party Twitter client, there's a Lite version on the App Store.

1:06:31So it's one of those apps that does it old school.

1:06:33You can get the Lite version, see if you like it, and then get the full version.

1:06:38I have a couple of other things that I've observed.

1:06:42One I like, one I think I like and one I don't like, the thing I don't like is for an app

1:06:48that has so many settings, let me turn off the trending search, like trending search

1:06:54results on the search page.

1:06:55Just let me turn that off.

1:06:57I don't want to see this at all if I don't need to and I would prefer to not see it,

1:07:02especially because they don't have ones that are even like customized to me a little bit.

1:07:08In Twitter, I don't like the trends at all, but at least sometimes the stuff that I'm

1:07:13interested in, like if there's big Formula One news or whatever, they do a good job of

1:07:16showing it to me, but I hate the trends.

1:07:19The thing that is intriguing to me is the default way in which retweets are shown, which

1:07:25is like a quote tweet.

1:07:29So if you just retweet something, it shows your account and then the embedded tweet instead

1:07:35of like the tweet that you've retweeted and like a marker you can change it back to what

1:07:39they call like the standard traditional retweet layout.

1:07:43Which I did.

1:07:46And I just haven't, I'm just not sure yet.

1:07:48I'm just like I've been trying it out and like it's interesting but I don't know why

1:07:53they choose to do it this way but it's interesting.

1:07:56Yeah I'm not sure either I ended up not liking it so I went back to the regular retweet design.

1:08:02I think I'm going to too, but it was just an intriguing design thing for me where I

1:08:08have kept bumping up against it where I keep looking for the context of that, of what looks

1:08:14to be a quote tweet.

1:08:16But it's at least interesting as like a, because I don't know what technically the right thing

1:08:21should be.

1:08:22Should you, I think if you retweet something, should you be more or less attached to it?

1:08:26I don't know.

1:08:27It's an interesting app.

1:08:28Steven, I think you don't like it, right?

1:08:30I don't love it.

1:08:32A lot of my complaints with it come down to design decisions.

1:08:36I love the customization.

1:08:38I love everything that Frederick, who you walked through.

1:08:40I find a lot of the UI like difficult to get to look nice.

1:08:45An example is quote tweets, right?

1:08:47Which are a big part of Twitter now.

1:08:50And the design of those, something about the way they're, they're inset.

1:08:55And like they have a background in light and in dark mode.

1:08:59I find it difficult to like understand what it's tied to.

1:09:04Maybe that's just a white space issue.

1:09:07'Cause I do think even with all the typeface adjustments,

1:09:10like everything feels a bit too crowded and busy everywhere.

1:09:15And I've gone through and turned off what I can,

1:09:18but I feel like there's a level of polish in the UI

1:09:20that maybe isn't what it could be.

1:09:23And maybe that's a, you know,

1:09:25Maybe that's a trade off with the ability to customize everything.

1:09:30But the other thing that's that I don't love about it is that it's,

1:09:34it's super customizable, but those customizations don't sync.

1:09:37You instead have a export, an export import function where you can like

1:09:43airdrop. So I've had on my phone and my Mac and you,

1:09:46it like exports a configuration file and I airdropped it to my Mac.

1:09:50And then I imported it to spring on the Mac,

1:09:52which spring on the Mac is not very good.

1:09:54It's like very obvious that it's the iPad version.

1:09:59And a lot of the UI stuff is way too big

1:10:02and really feels pretty weird.

1:10:05So for me, like I'm glad it's here.

1:10:07I'm glad people are still experimenting in this space,

1:10:11but between Tweetbot and the official app,

1:10:15I just don't think there's room for it for me.

1:10:18- I think I like it more than Tweetbot.

1:10:20- Really? - Personally, yeah.

1:10:22I think it has just more features that I jive with.

1:10:27The biggest one for me is just like the,

1:10:30it is the threading layout.

1:10:32Like I really don't like when I'm in Tweetbot

1:10:35and like I see a tweet and it's like, what is this even?

1:10:38Like, what is this referring to?

1:10:40It just seems like weird.

1:10:41Like I find myself in, when I'm using Tweetbot so often,

1:10:44needing to get more information on a tweet.

1:10:47Like I have to click into the tweet

1:10:48and see what this is replying to

1:10:50because like I can tell it's replying to something,

1:10:52but I don't know what that is.

1:10:54And I feel like it's just bad at this point.

1:10:57Like that is a thing that you got to find a way to work on

1:11:00because this is just how Twitter is used by people.

1:11:03And I like that this app has it.

1:11:06And there's just like a couple of other things

1:11:07like you can mark the Amazon red.

1:11:10Great.

1:11:11I just like that I have that feed.

1:11:13There's just like a lot of features like,

1:11:14is this is quote unquote beautiful?

1:11:17No, but like I think it is a better experience

1:11:20for modern Twitter than Tweetbot is now,

1:11:24for like what it does.

1:11:25It's not perfect, right?

1:11:27But I think is, especially on the iPhone,

1:11:30I think better and it's closer to what I'm looking for now.

1:11:34- I did have the thought that,

1:11:36"Oh, this makes Tweetbot look really outdated."

1:11:40And is Spring doing things that are available to Tweetbot

1:11:45that they just haven't taken advantage of,

1:11:47like the threading?

1:11:48know is that and I just don't know like is that part of the Twitter API or is

1:11:52something that they've figured out on their own but there's definitely

1:11:55features in this app the tweet bot doesn't have that tweet bot should have

1:12:01at least optionally yeah I don't know what the answer is to that right my

1:12:06expectation is whatever the answer is they should tweet bot should have done

1:12:10it as well unless Springs doing things that maybe they shouldn't because maybe

1:12:15it's a smaller application it's getting away of it I don't know the answer to

1:12:18to that, right? But the threading thing, if Twitter does provide you an API, surely that

1:12:24is a solvable thing. Like, you could work that out, right? Like tweets are connected.

1:12:28I don't know.

1:12:29I mean, someone has, so, you know.

1:12:31Yeah, somebody has.

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1:14:17In a comment to TechCrunch, Apple notes, "This is an especially big year for..."

1:14:23That's an app, Apple Notes.

1:14:26Apple has said, "This is an especially big year for iPadOS. It's its own platform with

1:14:32features specifically designed for iPad. We have the flexibility to deliver iPadOS on

1:14:37on its own schedule. This fall, iPadOS will ship after iOS as version 16.1 in a free software

1:14:44update.

1:14:45Hey, don't you know?

1:14:46This is a just beautifully written statement.

1:14:49Yes, yes. It's like they just realized that they have flexibility now.

1:14:55We can do whatever we want.

1:14:57Hey!

1:14:58It's a feature specifically designed for the iPad that are also on the Mac.

1:15:02And they're also very broken right now.

1:15:04Yeah, it's so PR-ish.

1:15:08AKA flexibility.

1:15:10Yeah.

1:15:11Where people see bugs, we see opportunities.

1:15:18That's the mantra for Apple VR.

1:15:23You see problems, we see flexibility.

1:15:26It's such a beautiful job done here with this statement.

1:15:30As a bonus, it's gonna be free.

1:15:32unlike other iPadOS releases.

1:15:36Hey, look, they used to be paid 12 years ago.

1:15:39I know.

1:15:40So.

1:15:41Sal Bains Hogsley, baby.

1:15:42I know, yeah.

1:15:43Do you wanna go back to that?

1:15:44Nope, no, I do not.

1:15:45So this is out in beta.

1:15:48What is new in 16.1, Federico?

1:15:51So stage manager in 16.1.

1:15:55They added some new options,

1:16:00plus button to create a new window for an app that supports multiple windows is in a

1:16:08better spot now, still takes way too many taps and clicks to get to that spot, but at

1:16:16least now it's visible.

1:16:18And now you can invoke the strip of recent apps by swiping with your finger on the screen

1:16:25from the edge of the display, even if the app that you're using is in full screen,

1:16:30so you don't have to resize it anymore, now you can just invoke it with a swipe,

1:16:34the strip also appears in portrait orientation now.

1:16:38So that's something else that they fixed that

1:16:41didn't make a lot of sense before, why it was not available in portrait.

1:16:45But the thing is, in doing this, it's one step forward,

1:16:52four to five steps back in that the constant crashes. And by constant, I mean, like, literally

1:17:01on my iPad. Now, I don't know if the problem is me or if other people have the same problem,

1:17:05but like on my iPad, when I do regular things, I'm not doing anything so fancy, like I'm not exporting

1:17:12video or rendering 3D stuff. Like, no, I'm just taking notes and browsing Twitter. But it crashes

1:17:18every 15 minutes or something. Just that. And it takes you back to the lock screen and

1:17:23you've got to start over. So that's still happening. I tried it again last night just

1:17:27to make sure. If anything, they made the window snapping behavior even more aggressive than

1:17:34before. It feels like even more than in previous betas, the system takes away the control from

1:17:42me when it comes to where I want to place windows. And that was always true of stage

1:17:46manager, that's partly the idea of stage manager, like, "Hey, don't worry about Windows, we'll

1:17:52position them for you." But it felt like they had a better balance of, you know, the system's

1:17:59control and your sense of control. I feel like it was better balanced before. And now,

1:18:08I also feel like it's easier to cover the strip of recent apps.

1:18:16It's almost like the system doesn't think there's enough space to show you the recents

1:18:21anymore.

1:18:22And all the other problems are still here.

1:18:26Working with external displays is still very much broken at a fundamental design level.

1:18:31Broken that is.

1:18:32What else?

1:18:33workspaces from the iPads display to an external display is still way too slow. The dock gets

1:18:40accidentally covered by windows that resize themselves every few minutes. Like the list

1:18:47goes on and on and on. I hope they can get it done by October. Have they mentioned October

1:18:54specifically? No, no. They just said this fall. It'll come out when it's ready. I hope

1:19:02they will be ready. And now I can tell you this, I think they are very much receptive

1:19:08to feedback at this point. But also, I get the impression that they, you know, Hubris

1:19:18gets in the way with these companies sometimes. And I feel like there may have been a problem

1:19:23for half of this summer, that they were maybe so proud of this design, that they started

1:19:30listening to feedback a little later in the process, and now look where we are. Now I

1:19:37get the impression that they're listening, but they had to delay the thing because of

1:19:42that.

1:19:43I don't know. I hope it gets better. I can tell you that I tried it for about an hour

1:19:49last night. I saw what I had to see, and I went back to Split View and slide over once

1:19:56again. So yeah, that's how it's going.

1:19:59There was a section on ATP last week where Casey was rightfully upset about providing

1:20:05feedback in like July and being told, "Oh, that's way too late."

1:20:09Like, when do you want me to do it?

1:20:11Yeah, seriously.

1:20:12Do you want me to stay up late at night during the week of WWDC just so that I can file feedback

1:20:17early for you?

1:20:18Like, at this point, give me a salary if you want that, you know?

1:20:22Like, seriously.

1:20:23But I do think that in this moment, there's a little window of time here, right, before

1:20:29they pick a new direction and go down or decide, oh, we're just going to fix this, this and

1:20:34that. But I mean, I'm glad they're doing it. Like, it's not unprecedented. They did it

1:20:40with what iOS 13, right, like 13.0 was only on new phones, and then 13.1, I guess, unified

1:20:47it for everybody. So they are willing to do this when they feel like it's necessary. And,

1:20:55you know, what are we going to get? Are we going to get a month maybe, because there's

1:20:58probably iPad hardware and if there's iPad hardware they want this out in time

1:21:04for the holidays we'll see you know we'll see if really what an extra three

1:21:09or four weeks can buy them what if they ship 16 on iPad hardware and 16.1 still

1:21:17comes later just like those iPhones it could be yeah it could be or or could 16

1:21:22ship on new iPads without stage manager and then it comes in 16.1 who knows

1:21:28Guys, I have an idea. I think Apple, if Apple wants more and better feedback earlier, I

1:21:37think they should gamify filing feedback. If you're a developer, each 10 feedbacks that

1:21:44you file, you get an expedited app review made by a real human.

1:21:49Or just one free card. You can put anything you want in the app.

1:21:56Or you get points in your account, in your developer account, you get, I don't know.

1:22:01But yeah, look, I honestly don't know. It feels like there's a, there are two different

1:22:07conversations happening here. One is, okay, this is stage manager. I am sort of into the

1:22:13idea. I think I can use this, but there are technical issues and some design problems.

1:22:19And I think I am sort of in that camp. Like I think I can use stage manager. I think I

1:22:25can live with the system arranging windows on my behalf, but there are tons of problems right now.

1:22:31There's the other camp of people saying, "Well, this whole thing, like all of it,

1:22:39is fundamentally wrong, and you need to go back to the drawing board and redo it all. Like,

1:22:45this idea of the recent apps on the left, this idea of the system not letting you resize windows,

1:22:50Because like all of it is wrong and we don't want it.

1:22:55So there are these two factions right now.

1:22:58I don't think Apple will listen to the second one.

1:23:01I don't think Apple will say, "Ah, turns out we were wrong.

1:23:05We're not doing this anymore.

1:23:06Sorry, see you next year."

1:23:08I don't think they're going to do that.

1:23:10I think they will work really hard on pleasing the first group of people.

1:23:16Well, I want to see if next year, next WWDC, Stage Manager is a lot different from what

1:23:25it is today.

1:23:26Because I think short term, it would be very awkward for Apple to pull it.

1:23:31But long term, I also think they want to make pro users happier than they are with Stage

1:23:39Manager.

1:23:40So they're kind of stuck in between, and it's a very awkward situation at the moment, I

1:23:44think.

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1:23:58connected Pro which is a longer ad-free version of the show each and every week

1:24:03this week the three of us designed our own iPhones and you can you can see

1:24:08those in the notes for the Pro Show you can find us all online you can find Myke

1:24:13on Twitter as I M Y K E. He's the host of a bunch of other shows here on Relay FM. You

1:24:19can find Federico Evatici, V I T I C C I, and he of course is the editor-in-chief of

1:24:24MaxStories.net, which will be home to his iOS and iPadOS 16 review and coverage. You

1:24:30all have been doing stuff all summer. It's been great.

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1:24:57Arrivederci.

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