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0:00:07From Elay FM, this is Connected, episode 410.
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0:00:17My name is Myke Hurley, and I would usually be introducing Federico
0:00:21Vittucci to the podcast at this moment, but Federico is away today
0:00:25for it is his birthday.
0:00:26So I will now hop over Federico, or do the old Italian hop, as they call it, and introduce
0:00:31Steven Hackett to the podcast.
0:00:33Hello.
0:00:34How are you?
0:00:35Not...
0:00:36It's not my birthday.
0:00:37Not yet.
0:00:38You've got a long time, but it will be eventually.
0:00:40I think we should send Federico a present.
0:00:44Okay.
0:00:45What I would like the connected listeners to do is to open Twitter, send Federico a
0:00:50tweet with your fourth most used emoji.
0:00:54Okay.
0:00:55I'm gonna do this now, so I've got my phone.
0:00:57Going to OpenTweetBot.
0:00:59I'm going to--
0:01:00- Fourth in what direction?
0:01:01- Okay, so let me, Viticci, so I'm on the emoji keyboard.
0:01:05So under the frequently used, I think it is down.
0:01:09So one, two, three, four down.
0:01:11- Oh no, I'm sending him a sad emoji.
0:01:15- Oh no.
0:01:17- Wow.
0:01:18- Mine is the melting face one.
0:01:19- He's gonna think something bad's happened.
0:01:22I've sent Federico the melting face emoji.
0:01:25- So I sent him like the disappointed one.
0:01:27You know, I think that's what it's called.
0:01:31- Yeah, I think so.
0:01:32- Oh, poor Federico.
0:01:34- So we'll see what people send him.
0:01:36I'm excited about that.
0:01:37We have some follow up.
0:01:38We've heard from a lot of folks with the will, will, may,
0:01:42may type autocorrects,
0:01:43basically any word that's also a name.
0:01:45iOS wants to capitalize this.
0:01:47And a bunch of feedback was like,
0:01:48I had not noticed this before.
0:01:50Thank you for ruining my phone.
0:01:52Sorry about that.
0:01:53- Uh-huh.
0:01:55- It's not our fault, it's differential privacy.
0:01:57- It's still happening to me.
0:01:59- Oh yeah, mine is a real mess.
0:02:01- It's very upsetting.
0:02:04Maybe one day it will stop,
0:02:05but I'm not expecting that it will.
0:02:08- We also heard from quite a few people
0:02:11following up on Apple weather.
0:02:13Federico had commented that it doesn't seem super accurate
0:02:17where he is in Rome, and a bunch of people outside the US
0:02:21have basically said the same thing,
0:02:22that Apple weather is incorrect a good bit of the time,
0:02:26especially when compared with a weather service
0:02:29that is more local to them.
0:02:31We heard from several people in Australia
0:02:33where this is true,
0:02:34where their weather services that are,
0:02:37I guess, more finely tuned to what they experience
0:02:41compared to Apple weather,
0:02:43which is trying to do it around the world.
0:02:46And hopefully this is just growing pains.
0:02:49I mean, a lot of this data is available that Apple could buy access to and bring it into
0:02:55their own algorithms and what is building the forecast data and the rain data for Apple
0:03:01weather.
0:03:02But if it is truly abysmal outside of a few select countries, then it's going to be, I
0:03:09think, a rough start for this new service.
0:03:11I have a thought about this.
0:03:13Are we potentially going to be getting ourselves into an Apple Maps kind of situation?
0:03:18Do you think weather is important enough?
0:03:21You remember the whole like iOS 6 maps disaster?
0:03:24I mean, what do you think?
0:03:26I think it's a little bit different because there are so many other options for weather
0:03:34and with maps basically they were booting Google Maps out of the default slot.
0:03:39So I don't know, I think people will be upset, especially because in the stock weather app
0:03:43you can't change the data source like you can in Carrot weather and a bunch of other
0:03:50like nice third-party weather apps.
0:03:52So it may actually be good for those other weather apps that are more locally focused
0:03:58than Apple's own.
0:04:00But yeah, I'm interested to see how this shakes out over the fall as more people get access
0:04:04to it.
0:04:05I haven't spent a ton of time using the Apple weather app because I just don't need it.
0:04:12like looking at it right now like it seems pretty comparable to to carrot
0:04:16weather and in carrot weather I use dark sky so I would expect there's at least
0:04:22some kind of data sharing going on there I think even if it was super bad I don't
0:04:29think it would be as much of an issue as Apple Maps was like I would say that the
0:04:36Apple or like the Maps app on the phone is much more
0:04:40important than a weather app, you know, just the situations that it can find you in and like the bad things it can drop you into
0:04:48you know
0:04:49like if you're being directed to the wrong place if you get yourself into a dangerous situation because the turn-by-turn is not good enough if
0:04:55Like you lose where you are in the street because you know getting good street like it's very different to like
0:05:00yeah, it's 25 degrees today rather than 20 degrees or like
0:05:05like, it's raining now and I didn't know it was going to rain. You know, like those things
0:05:10I don't think are as important, but hey, we'll see.
0:05:14Yeah, I think that's all fair. I do think the weather app is a lot nicer in iOS 16.
0:05:20Like I'm not going to be switching away from Carrotweather. It has a lot of features that
0:05:23I really like, but it is way nicer and bringing a lot of information that people just didn't
0:05:30have access to before if they were just using the stock app. I also really liked the weather
0:05:34wallpapers they have and it's one that I wish I could set just the home screen to the weather
0:05:41and use my own lock screen but Apple doesn't let you do that. The weather ones are married
0:05:45together. But I would totally use like the weather wallpaper just behind my home screen
0:05:50all the time.
0:05:51Oh you can use that as a home screen thing. I had only, I just assumed it was lock screen
0:05:56only. I hadn't tried that.
0:06:00You can't use it independently just on the home screen.
0:06:03It's lock screen or both.
0:06:05That's very strange isn't it?
0:06:07Yeah because I think it'd be cool to have that behind your icons all the time.
0:06:10Especially when it's like stormy and stuff it's very exciting.
0:06:13Yeah I haven't played around with that yet but I'm just looking now like when they changed
0:06:17it but I don't know it doesn't look like it.
0:06:21That's one of the options.
0:06:22Mm-hmm.
0:06:23No just like you choose photos which is strange.
0:06:25Zach points out that we are 10 years from the launch of Apple Maps.
0:06:31Wow.
0:06:32That makes me feel old.
0:06:34Because we talked about it on the prompt, I'm sure.
0:06:40Uh...
0:06:41Whoa-ee.
0:06:4210 years ago?
0:06:45Yeah.
0:06:47No, we started the prompt nine years ago.
0:06:50Yeah, I was going to say that doesn't feel right.
0:06:54- Yeah. - That kind of timeframe.
0:06:56- Yeah, the prompt was June 19th, 2013.
0:06:59- Okay.
0:07:02- And that was, yeah, 'cause we launched
0:07:04the summer of iOS 7, 'cause a lot of those early shows,
0:07:07we talked about iOS 7 a lot.
0:07:09- Yeah, man, summer of iOS 7, that was a good time.
0:07:12(laughing)
0:07:13- Unless you put it on your carry phone.
0:07:14- No, it was a great time, it was a great time.
0:07:17- It was, it was fun.
0:07:19Remember how thin that text was?
0:07:20It was unusable. (laughing)
0:07:21- It was great.
0:07:22(speaking in foreign language)
0:07:24- Yeah, ultra, ultra, ultra light.
0:07:26- No.
0:07:27- It's like if a hair, you know,
0:07:29like fell on your phone screen, like is that a letter?
0:07:32Is that a hair?
0:07:34- Johnny knew what he was doing.
0:07:37We just couldn't appreciate his brilliance.
0:07:40- It's true.
0:07:40And now he's gone.
0:07:42- Now he's gone.
0:07:43- I wanna update you on some sleep tracking stuff.
0:07:46- Okay.
0:07:47- We spoke about this a couple of weeks ago
0:07:49about Apple's built-in sleep tracking
0:07:53and sort of all the other features they tie to it,
0:07:55like bedtime and wind down and all those things.
0:07:58And we talked about using the watch for sleep tracking
0:08:00and for the last two weeks I've been doing it.
0:08:04So since we talked about this, I was like, you know what,
0:08:06I'm gonna make a real run at tracking with the watch.
0:08:09I'm doing the thing where I charge the watch every morning
0:08:12as I like get a shower and like get ready
0:08:14and then charge it for a little while at night,
0:08:16usually about dinner time.
0:08:18And that's been no problem.
0:08:20Like I've got the Series 7,
0:08:21the battery life is totally good enough
0:08:23with just like a little bit of charging,
0:08:25you're good to go.
0:08:26And I don't even have it plugged into something
0:08:28that can fast charge it.
0:08:29You know, the current watches can fast charge
0:08:31with a larger power brick.
0:08:32I forget the exact details,
0:08:34but mine is just plugged into like a multi USB thing
0:08:36that has been plugged into forever behind my bed.
0:08:39And that's totally been fine.
0:08:41I've not had any days where I've all of a sudden
0:08:44like 4 p.m. hit the low battery thing, right?
0:08:46So I've been able to manage that really well.
0:08:48But I decided to give Apple's sleep tracking a shot.
0:08:53Now I am using Iowa 16 and watch OS 9,
0:08:56so some of these details may be a little bit different
0:08:59in the public releases, I'm just not sure,
0:09:01because I didn't really use them a lot,
0:09:03or at all really, previously to this.
0:09:05So if some of this is a little bit different on your phone,
0:09:08it may just be because I'm on the beta.
0:09:09But I've been able to set Apple sleep tracking up
0:09:15in a way that doesn't drive me bananas.
0:09:18And there are actually some real upsides
0:09:20to using their system.
0:09:23So at first you have the schedule.
0:09:26And I know that for you and Federico in particular,
0:09:30probably him more so than you,
0:09:33that's just kind of like a problematic thing
0:09:34because of your schedules and where you work
0:09:37and where you live and all those things.
0:09:39But for me, I've been able to basically set two schedules,
0:09:43one for the weekday, and then one for the weekend.
0:09:48And so during the week, every day is basically the same,
0:09:52especially now that school's back in,
0:09:53I'm getting up, getting kids to school, all that stuff.
0:09:55And then all weekends, I don't wanna sleep late usually,
0:09:58and so I can, I still have a schedule set for that.
0:10:00What is nice about these schedules
0:10:03is you can customize basically how it works.
0:10:07And so if you're in the alarm tab of the clock app,
0:10:11it shows up there and you can tell it basically change the next time the phone is going to
0:10:21wake you up.
0:10:22And so say that it's Friday evening and I want to sleep in Saturday past my weekend
0:10:26alarm, I can change that wake up just for the next day.
0:10:29Now you do adjust that little wheel, right?
0:10:32Yeah, the UI is strange.
0:10:33Yeah, Adina does all of this.
0:10:34She listened to the show and she's like, "Look, I do all of this."
0:10:36And I'm like, I know, but like, I know who I am as a person.
0:10:40And I, for me to feel comfortable
0:10:43that I'm going to wake up the next day,
0:10:44I have to set seven alarms.
0:10:46- Yeah, so I do still have like a backup alarm
0:10:49like three minutes later.
0:10:50And I've always done that.
0:10:51I've always had like two alarms back to back,
0:10:53but it's not as intrusive as it seems
0:10:56because you have options to turn off wind down
0:11:01and the sleep reminders.
0:11:04And those were things that sort of the nagging of it always bothered me.
0:11:08I never cared for the wind down and it can do a bunch of different things.
0:11:11Like I think wind down can like set your, like the screen
0:11:14brightness and some other stuff.
0:11:15Yeah.
0:11:16I actually do use those features.
0:11:18Interesting.
0:11:19So, cause you don't need to have an alarm in the morning for that.
0:11:21I have the wind down stuff all set up now on a sleep focus, the kind of thing.
0:11:26Okay.
0:11:27And it like, it does this weird thing with the color of your screen.
0:11:29Like notification center goes really weird, almost like negative looking.
0:11:33It's, it's very interesting.
0:11:34Mm-hmm, so I'm not using
0:11:36wind down for anything
0:11:40But I am using a custom
0:11:43lock
0:11:45screen for
0:11:47My sleep mode my sleep focus. So I have sleep focus turned on now
0:11:50It's tied to the sleep thing in health, which is really weird. Like I feel like sleep because it
0:11:55It traverses these different features, right? It's a focus mode. It's also in health. Like it's just kind of we're heading it up
0:12:03(laughs)
0:12:05It's a focus mode.
0:12:06It's a health app.
0:12:07- Are you getting it?
0:12:09- You know, it's an alarm system.
0:12:11(laughs)
0:12:12This isn't just one.
0:12:13- Yeah, so I really just changed the lock screen
0:12:15to have some more like nighttime based things.
0:12:19So like sunrise, the next alarm set,
0:12:22Apple watch battery level,
0:12:25just in case I messed up charging and I should--
0:12:28- Well, that's interesting.
0:12:29- And I should say,
0:12:31backing up to the battery thing for a second,
0:12:34you can set an option to have notifications
0:12:37about battery charging, so it will remind you
0:12:39if you haven't charged it before bed
0:12:41and it thinks it's gonna not make it.
0:12:43And if it's on charging, it will tell you
0:12:46when the watch reaches 100%,
0:12:48so you could grab it off the nightstand.
0:12:50You know, maybe you still got a stand ring
0:12:51or something to close, so that's all pretty nice.
0:12:54So all in all, this actually has worked for me
0:12:57a lot better than I thought it would.
0:13:00I still think the setup is really too fiddly
0:13:02and there's kind of like a lot of stuff going on.
0:13:04But if you spend some time dialing back the options
0:13:07exactly the way you want them,
0:13:09you can, I think you can get this to a pretty usable state.
0:13:12Now, if I'm out and about late past the bedtime I've set,
0:13:17then yeah, my phone's gonna go into the sleep focus mode,
0:13:21but it would do that if that was set on a schedule anyways.
0:13:23And it's very easy to undo that and say,
0:13:25"No, no, I'm not in bed yet."
0:13:28And I'm using sleep plus plus as a third party app
0:13:31by our friend Underscore to look at all the data.
0:13:34It's on the health app too.
0:13:35I tried auto sleep and auto sleep is beautiful,
0:13:38but ultimately overwhelming to me.
0:13:40It's like, I don't need this fine grained of information.
0:13:44I kind of just want to know like,
0:13:46okay, what time was I in bed?
0:13:48What percentage of that was I awake or deep sleep,
0:13:50that sort of thing.
0:13:51And again, auto sleep is really nice
0:13:54and you should definitely check it out
0:13:56if you're looking into this.
0:13:57But for me, Sleep++ being much simpler worked better for me.
0:14:01And so I've been doing this for a couple of weeks and I don't know if I've like
0:14:06really learned anything except that I actually,
0:14:09I think I sleep a little better than I thought I did. Maybe it's,
0:14:12it's interesting day to have,
0:14:14and it's been interesting to set it up and see how it all works together on iOS
0:14:17now.
0:14:18So I haven't done this underscore developer of Sleep++.
0:14:21He said that strangely, sleep++, he should call it that, sleep++.
0:14:27he texted me and said, "You just got to do it."
0:14:28And I was like, "Ah."
0:14:30My issue, here's the thing I can't get over.
0:14:32I don't want to sleep my watch on.
0:14:33I don't want to do it.
0:14:35I need to get over it.
0:14:36I think it's too hot in the UK right now.
0:14:38And so like, I don't want to sleep.
0:14:40Maybe once it cools down a bit over here, I might try it.
0:14:44But right now the idea of wearing my watch to sleep,
0:14:46just, I don't like the thought of that at all.
0:14:49- That's taking some getting used to.
0:14:51And I'm using the Sport,
0:14:53whatever the one with the Velcro in it is.
0:14:55I forget all their names, Sport Loop.
0:14:56- Sport loop.
0:14:57- Sport loop and changing out the watch band
0:15:00is kind of annoying doing it twice a day.
0:15:02So I've just been wearing the sport loop just all the time.
0:15:05And it's fine.
0:15:05It gets very sweaty if you work out in it,
0:15:07but that is pretty comfortable to sleep in.
0:15:10I wouldn't want to sleep in something more,
0:15:13I guess more rigid, like some of the rubbery ones,
0:15:16but that definitely takes some getting used to.
0:15:18And the first couple of nights I was very aware of it.
0:15:20Like anytime I turned over,
0:15:22I felt like I had this huge weight on my wrist.
0:15:23Like, oh, let me bring my watch over here.
0:15:26But even in a couple of weeks that's faded.
0:15:28- I need to, but at the moment I'm trying to also
0:15:30get used to falling asleep with AirPods in.
0:15:32So like, you know, I'm doing that.
0:15:33By the way, on that I'm using original AirPods,
0:15:37not AirPods Pro, just sleep in.
0:15:39- Oh good.
0:15:40- Because it's more comfortable.
0:15:41And also like, I know this could be an issue.
0:15:45Like having earphones that go in your ears
0:15:48is not good for like really long time periods.
0:15:51So I've gone with the original AirPods
0:15:53'cause they also fall out when I actually fall asleep,
0:15:56right, like I like move my head or whatever
0:15:58when I'm sleeping.
0:15:58I always wake up and they're just like in the bed, you know?
0:16:02But it's, we had like a pair of AirPods 2 in the house
0:16:05that no one was using, so I've now taken those
0:16:07and they are now my sleeping headphone.
0:16:09- Do you have trouble like finding them the next morning?
0:16:13Do they get lost?
0:16:14- They're usually just around,
0:16:15they're usually like underneath me somewhere
0:16:18and it works fine.
0:16:19- I was going to suggest you could like tie a little thing
0:16:21between them and then I realized that's a terrible idea.
0:16:24- That's a quick way to choke yourself, you know?
0:16:27I was thinking that maybe I wanted to get the new AirPods
0:16:30because the problem with the original AirPods
0:16:32is the stem is really large and it presses on my ear.
0:16:35So I'm thinking maybe I want just the newer ones.
0:16:37They're the ones you use?
0:16:38No, you use AirPods too, right?
0:16:40- I do.
0:16:41- With the big silly looking ones now to me.
0:16:43- Yeah, they stick out like a mile.
0:16:45- They look ridiculous now because they look like,
0:16:48I looked like I could hold them in my fist.
0:16:51That's kind of how it feels to me.
0:16:54- Wolverine for AirPods.
0:16:56- Okay, well I'm happy to see,
0:16:58am I happy to hear that sleep tracking is good for you?
0:17:00I don't know, 'cause that makes me feel like I gotta do it.
0:17:03- I think you should at some point, but I mean,
0:17:04you should, the wearing the watch is a big thing.
0:17:08And so if that's gonna be uncomfortable,
0:17:10wait till it cools down.
0:17:11- I'll try it.
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0:19:11I wanna go back in time a little bit.
0:19:12- Okay. - To 2010,
0:19:14the iPad is new, it's announced, maybe you got one,
0:19:18but you need to do some real work on it, you know.
0:19:22You don't wanna be consuming content,
0:19:25you'll be making content.
0:19:26And Apple has just the accessory for you,
0:19:28a $69 nice keyboard dock accessory for the iPad.
0:19:32You remember this thing?
0:19:34- Of course I remember it.
0:19:35- So I bought one for reasons, for the calendar.
0:19:40- Okay.
0:19:42And I sent you a photo of it and you were like, yeah, I had one and I had totally forgotten
0:19:47about this.
0:19:48I forgot that it existed and I forgot that you owned one.
0:19:50So will you give us a, you know, a 12 years in review of the keyboard dock?
0:19:57Do you think I still have it?
0:19:59I mean, no, but you know, you could give, give us the reason you got it maybe.
0:20:03Well, okay.
0:20:04So let's just roll back in time.
0:20:06I mean, there are a couple of reasons.
0:20:08I mean the main reason I got it was because I wanted all the accessories for my iPad,
0:20:15you know what I mean?
0:20:16Like I was just excited about the iPad and I wanted accessories for it.
0:20:21In the same way that I nearly bought the, when I got my original iPhone, I nearly bought
0:20:26the hands-free thing.
0:20:27Oh yeah.
0:20:28You know?
0:20:29I think it was bad.
0:20:30And the only reason I didn't buy it was because Carphone Warehouse's system went down and
0:20:35they were only taking, they couldn't take card payments because too many people were
0:20:38trying to buy phones at the same time and it was the first time that had ever happened
0:20:42and they weren't prepared for that and so I had to pay cash and I could only get out
0:20:46enough cash from the ATM machine to pay for the iPhone. So I didn't get the hands-free
0:20:52set but I did get the keyboard dock and for me it was just like well this seems like a
0:20:57good idea right like this is the perfect like screen to write on you know maybe I think
0:21:03back then I fancied that I could maybe be an Apple blogger you know I tried that a few
0:21:08times. So I was like well this is the perfect minimal writing machine you know
0:21:13that's what cool kids wanted, they wanted minimal writing machines you know
0:21:16distraction free writing environments all that kind of all those kind of
0:21:21buzzwords and I thought I need one of those and so I bought the keyboard dock
0:21:26and what I ended up actually using it for and then I later on kept this going
0:21:32with other products. So like as I moved to probably some form of lightning based iPad
0:21:40as well, I would get like a magic keyboard and put it in front and have a little stand
0:21:44as I used to use this for my podcast notes back in the day. So I would be recording on
0:21:52a Mac and I never wanted to touch the Mac in case I somehow messed up something with
0:21:56the recording. And I was also I think at that time using an 11 inch MacBook Air so I was
0:22:00terrified of that machine being able to cope with anything I was trying to throw at it
0:22:04at that time. So I would take all of my notes in Markdown in some app of some description
0:22:11using a keyboard attached to an iPad and so I would just be taking my notes and they would
0:22:17just be copy and pasted into a Squarespace field and that was good to go, you know?
0:22:21Yeah, I never used one in the time period, I don't think. I mean, I had an original iPad
0:22:30and I used it with, you know,
0:22:33like Apple's Bluetooth keyboard at the time.
0:22:35Eventually when our friends, Tom and Dan,
0:22:38they had their foldy iPad keyboard thing.
0:22:42What's that thing called?
0:22:44The canopy.
0:22:45Wow.
0:22:46Used one of those for a long time.
0:22:48And then of course now, you know,
0:22:49Apple's got a wider range of them.
0:22:51And I used some third-party keyboards over the years too,
0:22:54but it's been kind of fun to have this thing around.
0:22:57And like you put your iPad in it,
0:22:58The iPad is in portrait mode because the 30-pin dock connector was on the short side like
0:23:03the lightning or USB-C port is now.
0:23:05It also makes sense for what it's to be used for.
0:23:10And Apple, with that original iPad, launched iWork for the iPad.
0:23:16And so you had pages and keynote and numbers, and they were like 10 bucks apiece, I think.
0:23:21But yeah, you could open up pages or some other document, Evernote or whatever you were
0:23:27doing.
0:23:28type away. So it's kind of been fun to have one around this week and I mean it
0:23:33is literally just a keyboard with like a piece of plastic on it. It's very funny
0:23:36like it's how simple it is but I think a lot of people probably got a lot of
0:23:40typing done on that thing. It's kind of funny really I was gonna
0:23:45ask do you have an iPad that this works on and then realized who I'm asking? Yeah
0:23:51I got a couple original iPads. They are heavy and thick. So have you actually
0:23:55been doing a bunch of writing one of these things? I wish yeah I should I
0:24:01should have it up to the side you know for my for my notes. Man so you had an 11
0:24:08inch MacBook Air and this this would have been bigger on the desk that little
0:24:13laptop. Probably. I love it. The original iPad. Yeah. Yeah.
0:24:19of its weird back curved sides. I'm gonna just do it again because I can't stop. I'm
0:24:26nearly done with the After Steve book so I'm not gonna have any more stories to
0:24:29tell from it. But one of the things that was interesting in 2015, apparently
0:24:35Apple's design team completely redesigned the iPad but it was deemed
0:24:40too expensive and so the design was shelved right? Like this is one of the
0:24:44things that I spoke about and I've been fascinated to try and understand what
0:24:48that iPad was. I wonder if it was the flat side we got three years later. The
0:24:53way that is told in the book seems to suggest that it was a design that never
0:24:56came because it talks about making the iPad like significantly lighter. Hmm. I
0:25:02wonder if they were they were gonna make it out of a different material. Maybe.
0:25:07Maybe we're about to find out. Maybe in October. Well because they haven't they
0:25:13haven't redesigned that iPad right? Yeah the original. It's still the original
0:25:17iPad is still still it's still doing its thing. Yeah, it's very much like the that
0:25:22the current design of like the regular not no adjective iPad is basically the
0:25:27iPad Air. It's that sort of feel. That's that was a long time ago. I mean, the
0:25:33iPad Air was what 2013 or 14 sometime in there. It's been a minute. We should talk
0:25:40about iOS 16 beta five. This dropped on Monday, which was fine. I was I was
0:25:46expecting beta five this week, but I kind of thought, Oh, it'll
0:25:48be Tuesday or Wednesday. And then I pick up my phone on a
0:25:51Monday. And there's a text from john is like, hey, beta five is
0:25:54out. It's like, wait, what? It's Monday, the big change here on
0:25:58the iPhone, at least is you can now put the battery percentage,
0:26:03make that visible all the time on a phone with face ID. So with
0:26:08the iPhone 10, get the battery indicator on the right hand
0:26:12side, but the percentage was only available when you swipe
0:26:15down into control center and it's been that way ever since. And back in the day, I had
0:26:21the battery percentage, but with the iPhone 10 and later, I got used to not having it.
0:26:26But now you can turn it back on. And there's a couple of interesting design decisions,
0:26:31I think the numbers are pretty big within the little glyph of the battery. And the background
0:26:37stays as if the battery were perfectly fully charged. When you go to low power mode, it
0:26:43turns yellow and then if you're 10% or below it turns red which is 10% it
0:26:50doesn't go at 20 isn't 20% the low battery warning no but if you don't have
0:26:56low power mode on oh and maybe 10% yeah yes low power mode makes it yellow sorry
0:27:04I misspoke so it's 20 at 20% it will go red unless you turn on your low power
0:27:08mode? I think so. That would be consistent with how it is now and
0:27:13there's what people are now telling us in the discord. I think the design is fine.
0:27:17There were a couple of things on Twitter floating around, we'll have them
0:27:21in the show notes, of people who sort of designed it thinking, you know, redesigned
0:27:26it thinking that oh it should also show like the battery, the range, you know,
0:27:32the fill of the battery should actually get smaller as the number goes
0:27:35down but I feel like the number does that for you and it is most legible with a solid
0:27:41background so I guess they didn't think they needed to do that but I thought it was interesting
0:27:47that people responded so strongly to this design.
0:27:50I have not seen a concept that I thought looked better than what Apple's come up with and
0:27:55I'm not one to usually say this kind of stuff because I think it can be a bit tiresome but
0:28:00I think this is one of those situations where they thought through every option and they've
0:28:07given the one that is the clearest, most legible.
0:28:11I can't imagine Apple's software design team were like, "Hey, we did this in one!"
0:28:19Like our first idea here was the perfect one, let's not change it!
0:28:24I imagine that they went through all of these, like what would it be like if it changed color?
0:28:28what would it be like if it was going the whole way down?
0:28:32Like all these kinds of, and like the whole,
0:28:34no, I just think it's like, they just did it this way.
0:28:37'Cause I also think for Apple,
0:28:39they've been pretty clear, I think,
0:28:41with the way that the battery stuff has worked
0:28:43for the last few years.
0:28:44Like 20 to 80, it's just whatever.
0:28:48When it gets to 20, you're in a problem.
0:28:50And like, that's how they're showing it to you right now.
0:28:52So like when it gets down low, that's when it should,
0:28:54when you're below 20, that's when it gets the little sliver.
0:28:58I think the rest of the time, it's just like whatever, just show me the number.
0:29:01Like I don't need to see an accurate percentage fill of the battery.
0:29:09And like I don't, there is no utility in that at all for me.
0:29:13Like the number, as you said, the number shows the thing.
0:29:15And it starts to become messy.
0:29:19Like for a big chunk of the time, you would have like half of the number
0:29:25or a part of the number is a different color
0:29:27to the other part of the number, right?
0:29:29- I think that'd be really distracting,
0:29:30but having that change all the time.
0:29:33- And so I think this is just the best option
0:29:36because they change the graphic when you go below 20, right?
0:29:41And they show it as the little sliver,
0:29:43but because then it's gone past the number.
0:29:46- Yeah.
0:29:47- Right, so like if you had it like anywhere from like 80%
0:29:51all the way down to 20%,
0:29:52there's just going to be a gradient
0:29:54of like what part of the number is in a different,
0:29:57no, no, no, this is cleaner.
0:29:59I think they went with the right option here.
0:30:02- Yeah, I do too.
0:30:03What do you think overall about the return of this?
0:30:08I mean, did you use it in the pre-Face ID phones?
0:30:12- Yes.
0:30:14- And are you using it now in the beta?
0:30:15- Yeah, I mean, it turned on on its own.
0:30:17- Yeah, it did, which I thought was interesting.
0:30:20- And I've just left it on.
0:30:22I mean it's fine like now I have the percentage because I would quite frequently want to check
0:30:26the percentage of my battery so I pull down from control center and now I don't need to
0:30:29do that. I think there's a reason they've decided to do it now but I'm not sure what
0:30:34that reason is. I expect it's related to the iPhone 14 Pro but I don't know how right like
0:30:41is this something to do with the always on display or is this something to do with the
0:30:45noxious phone design like I think it's one of those things like I don't think this is
0:30:50they just like all of a sudden someone's like oh my gosh we forgot to put the
0:30:55percentage the whole time like years we forgot to put the percentage there right
0:30:58like 2017 or whatever exactly and it's not like there's been a crusade over the
0:31:05last six months to bring this back like people have wanted this for ages and
0:31:09people were really upset when it went away and I feel like I haven't heard
0:31:12anybody talk about this in a long time so I expect it's related to the iPhone
0:31:1714 Pro which is supposed to get both of those features but I'm just not sure how yet.
0:31:23I've got it on for now.
0:31:25Casey tweeted something really interesting that it just adds stress and like I get that
0:31:30and I think actually he's like mostly right.
0:31:33I don't know if I'll keep it on forever.
0:31:35Right now I have it on because again just my experience in the betas has been is the
0:31:39battery life's pretty bad still and I find myself keeping a closer eye on my phone battery
0:31:46this summer than I have in a long time and so I've got it on for now we'll see
0:31:53if it if it stays on long term. I don't believe this but if Casey was here on
0:31:58this show with me right now the thing that I would do because I like to make
0:32:01fun of Casey likes him to poke fun at me I like poke fun at Casey right what I
0:32:05would say is buddy if that's one of the biggest stresses in your life I want
0:32:08your life. Yeah yeah that's true. Like all the things in my life that I could get
0:32:15stressed about seeing the number of the percentage of my battery is not one of
0:32:18them yeah but I do understand where he's coming from of like if this is something
0:32:23that you see like oh man I need to charge your phone like you most like 90
0:32:27percent of the time you actually don't need to charge your phone like your
0:32:30phone's gonna be fine like like you you can get these phones to such big
0:32:35batteries now you're probably good but like I do wonder like so if you don't
0:32:40see the percentage do you just never stress about your battery life like I
0:32:43I don't know which one is the right way around.
0:32:46But I will say, if you look at a number and you're like,
0:32:48oh man, I need to charge my phone,
0:32:49you should probably turn the feature off
0:32:51'cause you are thinking about it too much.
0:32:54For me now, it's just like, honestly, I look at my phone.
0:32:57For me, I'm getting the pleasure of like,
0:32:59man, the battery life on this phone is good
0:33:01'cause I just, at the end, I come to the end of the day
0:33:03and I'm still in double digit percentage numbers.
0:33:06I'm like, yeah.
0:33:07- He did put hot take with fire emoji,
0:33:09so take that with a grain of salt, I guess.
0:33:11- And he also turned off replies.
0:33:13I was actually pretty proud of him in this moment,
0:33:16but Casey turned replies off to that tweet.
0:33:18I was like, he's learning, you know?
0:33:21- This option is not available on the mini phones,
0:33:24I guess because of the size that it takes up.
0:33:27- That's 'cause the battery's so bad.
0:33:28(both laughing)
0:33:30They don't want people knowing.
0:33:32'Cause you just, you turn the screen on of an iPhone mini
0:33:34and you just watch it start ticking down.
0:33:36- Maybe, maybe.
0:33:37One feature I really am glad they've added
0:33:42is a copy and delete option when dealing with screenshots.
0:33:47So we've all done this a thousand times,
0:33:50take a screenshot on your phone.
0:33:52You don't wanna save it,
0:33:53you're gonna copy it out to iMessage or something.
0:33:57And there's a share sheet option in that screenshot UI,
0:34:02but very often I would just copy it
0:34:06'cause it's just quicker to go into Discord or Slack
0:34:08or wherever and paste it in.
0:34:10but now there's an option for copy and delete.
0:34:13So it puts it on your clipboard,
0:34:15but it does not save the screenshot to photos.
0:34:18And this like perfectly fits
0:34:20with the way that I use this feature.
0:34:22I'm sure Apple, when they designed it,
0:34:24it was, oh, people just use the share sheet,
0:34:26but then I got a bunch of screenshots to contend with.
0:34:28This is so good and my hat is off to whoever got it in here.
0:34:33- Yep, this is exactly one of those things
0:34:35where this is just, this feature is made by somebody
0:34:39who uses this feature, right?
0:34:41This is exactly what this tells you.
0:34:44If you're looking for this, by the way,
0:34:45'cause I was confused, it's under the Done button.
0:34:48So you take the screenshot, you press Done,
0:34:51and then you get save to photos, save to quick notes,
0:34:54save to files, copy and delete, delete screenshot.
0:34:56So you gotta copy and delete,
0:34:58and then it immediately puts it on your clipboard
0:35:00and then just deletes, and then also, therefore,
0:35:02gets rid of the thing,
0:35:06like the UI.
0:35:09So that's why for me,
0:35:10even if I was gonna put it in the share sheet,
0:35:12this is faster
0:35:13'cause then I still have to press done and then delete
0:35:16or like press the trashcan or whatever.
0:35:19So this is actually quicker.
0:35:20'Cause most of the time for me,
0:35:22if I'm sending somebody a screenshot,
0:35:25I also then have something to tell them.
0:35:27So like, and if I'm putting it in Slack,
0:35:28for me like Slack's whole thing is not awesome.
0:35:31What do you call it?
0:35:34The share sheet thing.
0:35:35So I would prefer to take a screenshot, copy it,
0:35:38and now do the copy and delete, then paste it into Slack,
0:35:41add my text and send it all in once, right?
0:35:43So that feels like good Slack etiquette
0:35:46rather than like sending a screenshot
0:35:48and then following up with the text.
0:35:50So like somebody gets the notification,
0:35:51they open it, it's just a screenshot.
0:35:53It's like, "Oh God, what's wrong with this?"
0:35:54- Yeah.
0:35:55- You know, Steven is typing.
0:35:56So I don't know what to do now, you know what I mean?
0:35:58- Hello.
0:35:59- Yeah, I think I've said this before.
0:36:01Steven is very bad with this, you know,
0:36:05like when people say like, "Hey, I need to talk to you."
0:36:07Or, "Hi, I've got something to say."
0:36:09Steven does this, he's one of those people.
0:36:11He's like, "Hi, I need to tell you something, send."
0:36:14And then starts writing the rest of it, not good.
0:36:17That's toxic, that's your toxic trait, right?
0:36:20That's your toxic trait, is that.
0:36:23- I was listening to the waveform podcast this weekend.
0:36:26- Yeah, this is what made me think of it.
0:36:27- Marquez was like,
0:36:28"I use different calendar and task apps sometimes."
0:36:31It's like, dude, that's not a toxic trait,
0:36:32that's just being a nerd.
0:36:34- Yeah, he--
0:36:34- And he talked about remember the milk,
0:36:36which made me happy.
0:36:37- Oh my God.
0:36:38Yeah, see, where he was coming from was good initially,
0:36:42right, which is the idea of people who set alarms as tasks.
0:36:47- Yeah.
0:36:48- Right, that's the toxic trait.
0:36:49- That's my mother-in-law.
0:36:50- Using different apps is not a toxic trait at all.
0:36:54Well, maybe it is, but I do it too,
0:36:56so I'm gonna say it isn't.
0:36:58- Yeah, but yeah, using alarms as tasks management
0:37:03is an abomination.
0:37:05- Yeah, using Dew as a task manager is bad enough.
0:37:09(laughing)
0:37:11Alarms is another step further.
0:37:13- Yeah, I'm not using Dew.
0:37:14I've got my medications in the health app.
0:37:17- I use Dew for a bunch of things,
0:37:18but I don't use it as like task management.
0:37:21It's like simple reminders. - Right, it's like,
0:37:22take out the trash or pay the light bill.
0:37:26That's a task. - Yeah, exactly.
0:37:28I'm not like, prepare for connected, is it?
0:37:32- Right.
0:37:33- I am also by the way here again, burning Casey.
0:37:37- Wait, does he use do as his task manager?
0:37:39- Oh yeah, yeah.
0:37:40- Yeah, but I mean like,
0:37:41he doesn't have as much going on as we do.
0:37:43- I mean, what, he's got like,
0:37:44he's got a do thing that says worry about your battery.
0:37:47You know what I mean?
0:37:48That's as much as he's got going on.
0:37:50- Think about running ethernet in my house.
0:37:52(laughing)
0:37:53Watch the car.
0:37:54- Check the garage door.
0:37:56- Check the garage door, yeah, that's right.
0:37:57- You know, all the big Casey tasks.
0:38:00hug my, hug my, uh, Synology. Be one of the best human beings on the planet, you know,
0:38:05like all the typical Casey Tucks. I do love him. So do I. I also love to make fun of him.
0:38:10Yeah. You know? That's true love, I feel like. Mm-hmm. Can we talk about this playing live
0:38:15visualizer business on the-- Yes, amazing. --block screen? Is it? Oh, I love it. Oh,
0:38:19it's so good. It's so useless. But that's why it's so good. Come on. Don't you remember
0:38:23Good Apple, Whimsical Apple? Come on. Okay, so can you explain what this is for people?
0:38:28In the now playing live activity, because it's a live activity now, the now playing
0:38:33screen, in the top right hand corner, there's now just a little visualiser which is live
0:38:40and accurate-ish to the audio that's playing.
0:38:45Why not have it there?
0:38:46It's fun.
0:38:47What I actually do think there is utility to it, which is it shows you some audio is
0:38:51playing which I tell you where that's useful.
0:38:54You've got your AirPods in and it hasn't connected.
0:38:57Yeah, and you can now see that there's audio playing somewhere, but maybe it's not where you want it to be. I like it
0:39:04I just think it's nice
0:39:06It could be useful maybe but I just like the way it looks it's I think it's like a fun little thing to have
0:39:10I'm not sure that it's worth the space. What else is gonna be there? Nothing else is there? Yeah, that's fine
0:39:16We can have white space
0:39:17But why when you can put a fun little feature though or you can make the text a little wider so you can see more
0:39:22of your song title
0:39:23Ah, who needs that? It'll scroll. You'll get it eventually.
0:39:26Yeah. I do like on this lock screen now playing UI, in the bottom right you have like the AirPlay
0:39:34option and if you connected to CarPlay, it shows the CarPlay icon. Like it is useful to see where
0:39:39audio is going. Yeah, the problem is the AirPods Pro SF symbol is weird looking. And that's what
0:39:47they replace it with and I believe it's an SF symbol. It looks very strange.
0:39:51I mean, it's a good use for that.
0:39:52It looks like Birdo from Mario 2.
0:39:55[laughter]
0:39:57And I'm not the first person to say this,
0:39:59because I think people compared the AirPods Pro to Birdo initially.
0:40:05But this, the little symbol looks a lot like Birdo,
0:40:08and it's very weird.
0:40:11So that's what I had to say on the matter.
0:40:15Talking about betas, we've got Beta 5.
0:40:17We're talking about iOS.
0:40:19How is the beta on the Mac?
0:40:22Basically, mostly unchanged. Stage Manager is fine. It's not buggy like it is on the iPad.
0:40:28Okay. Setting the Settings app is still garbage and weirdly broken and hard to use. But you know,
0:40:34compatibility wise, I haven't had any issues. I'm running it on my notebook and like it's it's been
0:40:39fine. The battery life is fine. I do have this issue. I don't know what beta it is. I tend to
0:40:44blame Ventura, but I don't really have a reason for that. But like my Safari bookmarks get scrambled,
0:40:49like all out of order, it's like three times a day.
0:40:52Like I'll be sitting on my working on my Mac studio,
0:40:55which is running Monterey, and all of a sudden
0:40:59my bookmark folders are in the wrong order.
0:41:02And that's a little frustrating.
0:41:03But, you know, that's iCloud and beta.
0:41:05Like if that's the worst that happens, honestly, I'm doing OK.
0:41:08I am still very
0:41:12excited about using stage manager on the Mac.
0:41:16I think it makes more sense on the Mac than the iPad,
0:41:19just because you have more space.
0:41:20You know, maybe that's different
0:41:21if you're using a 13 inch iPad Pro,
0:41:23but I don't, haven't had one of those in a long time.
0:41:26And I haven't used the beta on one of those.
0:41:28So using a beta on like a, you know, 11 inch, you know,
0:41:32iPad Pro or Air,
0:41:33the couple of times I've gotten to play with it,
0:41:35it just feels a bit cramped.
0:41:36I don't know.
0:41:37I'm not using it.
0:41:38Like it doesn't really jive with the way that I work,
0:41:40but it's fine.
0:41:42- I just like, I find myself like I'm using my Mac
0:41:45and I have so many apps open.
0:41:47And I'm like, I think I would like to have these in stage manager rather than
0:41:51having like six spaces. I don't want six spaces. I don't, I really,
0:41:56I don't want to use spaces at all anymore now that stage manager is a thing that
0:41:59exists. So I'm excited about it. I am excited about it.
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0:43:46- 1Password 8 is now available for iOS.
0:43:50- What did it eat?
0:43:51- Actually nothing, which is kind of interesting.
0:43:55What it didn't eat was 1Password 7.
0:43:57- Oh, it's good.
0:43:59I wasn't setting you up, but I'm glad you took it.
0:44:01- Because 1Password 7 is still on the App Store.
0:44:051Password 8 is its own app.
0:44:08And I find that strange to start with.
0:44:12I haven't looked into this. I should have now. I just said it like,
0:44:15I don't know if they've said why they're doing this. I mean,
0:44:18I can imagine why because it's at a different direction and maybe they don't want
0:44:22to deal with like people getting upset about a forced, uh,
0:44:26update, you know, like if it's all different, it looks different,
0:44:30but I don't know what their plan is for moving people over.
0:44:35So seven,
0:44:377 also still supports some syncing options that they're not using moving forward.
0:44:43Okay.
0:44:44And so they did this on the Mac as well.
0:44:478 is a separate SKU than 7 because some people are still using those older sync methods and
0:44:53aren't ready to move.
0:44:54I mean, I expect at some point then there's going to be one password and one password,
0:44:58classic or something.
0:44:59Yeah, I don't know.
0:45:00I feel like they've got to drop the numbers at some point.
0:45:02I don't know why the numbers need to be there.
0:45:04- I think this is the best way to go about it,
0:45:06even if it means that the adoption
0:45:08of the new version is slower.
0:45:10I mean, 1Password 8 on the Mac in particular
0:45:14came with a lot of conversation about it,
0:45:19being Electron and being so different.
0:45:21And I think they learned from that.
0:45:23And I'll say this, I mean, 1Password 8,
0:45:27I was on the beta for a long time.
0:45:29The final version, there are some bugs in it
0:45:31in terms of layout and UI stuff,
0:45:34which we'll get to in a second, but overall, I really like it.
0:45:38And I really like on the phone. Yeah. Okay. It's fine.
0:45:42Sorry. I just wanted to check. I wasn't sure which one you mean.
0:45:44Yeah. Sorry. It's fine on the Mac, but on the phone, I really like it. Uh,
0:45:47mainly for the customization. So yeah.
0:45:50On the sort of main screen of the app,
0:45:53you can hide and add sections and you can rearrange them. So they have, uh,
0:45:59some of those really cool called pinned fields.
0:46:01So it's just like the small UI at the top for anything you pin.
0:46:05And so.
0:46:06You can pin like your Twitter password and just shows up as a little item at
0:46:10the top and you tap on it and copy it.
0:46:13Um, that's really cool.
0:46:15I would imagine if you have like a two factor authentication number, you need
0:46:19often or something, you know, but you can basically pin anything from any entry up
0:46:24there at the, uh, at the top, which is really cool.
0:46:26And then you have, you know, favorites, which has been part of one password
0:46:29forever. But then you have some smart lists. So recently created, recently used,
0:46:35recently modified and frequently used. And I've got a couple of these turned on
0:46:41because if very often I will change the password or a detail or create something
0:46:46new, and then I'll need it on my phone. Like maybe I'm setting it up on the Mac
0:46:50for some new app I'm trying and then I needed on the phone. Like having those
0:46:54there with quick access is actually pretty cool.
0:46:58And I think this customizable main screen, uh,
0:47:02is a great addition to this app. I'm really, I'm really digging that direction.
0:47:06The frequent recent thing is a smart,
0:47:09cause I set up a bunch of favorites once upon a time and then stopped needing
0:47:14that or like the list changed and I was lazy and didn't change it.
0:47:20And so like the favorites part for me is kind of a bit like
0:47:23old and busted, then there's just like a bunch of
0:47:25incomplete stuff in here that I also don't really use
0:47:28'cause I just tend to search for things.
0:47:30But this is just like a great way to surface stuff.
0:47:32I need you to tell me how I pin things.
0:47:35- Yeah, so like, you know, find a login or something
0:47:38and then you long press on some part of it.
0:47:42- Pin to home.
0:47:43- So like, so I'm looking at like my Apple ID password
0:47:46and then there's a pin to home
0:47:48and then it will show up there.
0:47:50Oh, so one-time passwords is where this is best.
0:47:53I think so.
0:47:54Because just pinning a password seems, I mean, I guess you could do it.
0:47:59I'm going to think about what I'm on.
0:48:01Yeah, if it's something you need often, but I think it's pretty, pretty clever.
0:48:05I wouldn't mind something like this on the Mac.
0:48:07And you can set it where if you tap on the pinned item,
0:48:10it copies or you can set it where it shows it in large type.
0:48:14So say that you have a password, you enter manually a bunch,
0:48:18you could have it on there and tap it to get it in large type
0:48:22so you can type it on your other device.
0:48:24It's well thought through and it's all using Swift UI
0:48:28and some of the visual weirdness I've seen,
0:48:31I think it's just because it's Swift UI.
0:48:33It's using Rust for the backend like they do
0:48:36on the Mac and Windows and Android,
0:48:38but Swift UI is the UI choice.
0:48:41And I find that interesting
0:48:42'cause the Mac, they went with Electron
0:48:44and I don't know the reason why they split that.
0:48:47It feels like those decisions were not made at the same time.
0:48:51I don't know that.
0:48:52I find that using SwiftUI for it is just really interesting,
0:48:55'cause it is a bit complicated app,
0:48:57and it does give it a nice modern look,
0:49:00but obviously different from where they went on the desktop.
0:49:04- Yeah, the thing that I am struck by,
0:49:05which is a surprise to me,
0:49:06is now the 1Password on the phone and the Mac
0:49:10look more different than they have ever looked,
0:49:12which is, that was not what I was expecting.
0:49:15Like, now I'm surprised that there is functionality
0:49:20in the iPhone version that's not in the Mac version.
0:49:24I mean, I guess there are some similarities,
0:49:26but they're also different, if that makes sense,
0:49:28which I find peculiar.
0:49:31That wasn't what I was expecting.
0:49:33Like, I can't customize all the stuff here
0:49:36on the Mac app, like a can on the phone, right?
0:49:39I don't got any of those features, which is odd.
0:49:41So yeah, I've noticed some buggy things.
0:49:43Like, we're talking about that customization field.
0:49:45like when you go to the home screen and you customize
0:49:47and there are like these little drag things,
0:49:49they work for me like the actual dragon works for me
0:49:52like 10% of the time where I try and drag something
0:49:54like most of the time it just doesn't end up
0:49:58doing the dragging.
0:49:59What I will say though, this is the least Swift UI
0:50:02looking Swift UI app that I've used.
0:50:04It just doesn't look like other apps
0:50:08and I'm not saying that's good or bad.
0:50:10It's just, I feel like a lot of apps that I've used
0:50:13in SwiftUI, I maybe would be able to tell, but this one not.
0:50:18And what that maybe tells me is I'm using loads of SwiftUI apps
0:50:21and I don't even know about it.
0:50:23Because you can get--
0:50:25I think what it is is--
0:50:27one of SwiftUI's big benefits is that you can get up and going
0:50:31pretty quickly.
0:50:33And so I think a lot of developers
0:50:35where maybe they just want to get up and going,
0:50:37from a design perspective, they use a lot more system control.
0:50:41and clearly you don't need to use a lot of system control.
0:50:45So I guess similarly, actually now I'm saying it,
0:50:47WidgetSmith doesn't look like any other app
0:50:50that I use either,
0:50:51and I know that Dave's using SwiftUI for that,
0:50:53so I guess there is stuff that you can do here
0:50:56which isn't necessarily just using the out of the box stuff.
0:50:59- Right.
0:51:01- I'm upset that they do not offer a dark mode icon.
0:51:05- Oh no. - Just a silver icon.
0:51:07I was using the dark icon and then I just have a silver icon
0:51:10and I would like a dark icon back, please.
0:51:13'Cause now the icon on my home screen has changed
0:51:15and I don't want that to happen.
0:51:17But it's happened.
0:51:18- Yeah, bring it back, 1Password.
0:51:20- Yeah, I would say overall I'm happy with this.
0:51:23'Cause I would say for me, like,
0:51:24the Mac app has been great.
0:51:26Like 1Password 8 on the Mac, it's been great.
0:51:28I don't have any problems with it.
0:51:30- No, I mean, I ran the beta of that too
0:51:33and they made a lot of progress.
0:51:35And I've said this before on this show and on MPU,
0:51:39where 1Password is a current sponsor,
0:51:43but that doesn't make any difference to me
0:51:45in terms of the way we cover it.
0:51:46In terms of like the religious fight over Electron
0:51:53on the Mac, if it's good or bad for the platform,
0:51:56I just find uninteresting.
0:51:57Like if these technical decisions work well
0:52:01for the companies and it means that 1Password
0:52:04gets updates everywhere more quickly
0:52:07and it still works with all my browsers
0:52:10and it still has the little menu bar app.
0:52:14And now they even do things like the,
0:52:16like one of my favorite things on the Mac
0:52:17is the full, like basically fill a password anywhere
0:52:21where it like screen reads
0:52:22and figures out what the fields are.
0:52:24I love that thing.
0:52:25And it is awesome to log into something
0:52:28like the Mac App Store,
0:52:29where I feel like I'm logged out every three days,
0:52:32to just use one password there without copying and pasting.
0:52:35And so I've got no problems with these directions
0:52:38because the feature set continues to get better.
0:52:41And--
0:52:42- I like the idea of that feature.
0:52:45My problem is it does not work 100% of the time.
0:52:48- Yeah, it's not flawless for sure.
0:52:50- And so because of that, I don't use it.
0:52:53Because I never know if I'm like gonna try and do the thing
0:52:56and then it doesn't work
0:52:56and I have to copy the password anyway.
0:52:58- That's fair.
0:52:59- So I just bring up the little, the new little mini thing,
0:53:03which I actually quite like.
0:53:04you know, I just press like command and backslash
0:53:07and it just pops it up.
0:53:08And then you can navigate that
0:53:09with the keyboard really easily.
0:53:11So I just do that.
0:53:12- So that's, yeah, what's one password eight?
0:53:15I'm digging it on the phone.
0:53:17I'd like to see some of the customization come to the Mac.
0:53:19I think that'd be really cool.
0:53:20Especially the pen things.
0:53:22That is super awesome.
0:53:24- I've unified the backend, split the front end
0:53:27and in the same position again.
0:53:29(both laughing)
0:53:31- I bet these features end up in the desktop app
0:53:34some point. I hope so. Amazon is buying iRobot for 1.7 billion dollars.
0:53:42Look Jeff Bezos needs a lot of Roombas for that big house of his.
0:53:46Yeah iRobot make Roomba and the mop one I forget the name of.
0:53:53Mop bot? Mop bot. We'll call it mop bot. I don't think it's called that. We can find out the
0:54:00answer though these things are available to us they call the Rava Rava I don't
0:54:05know why it's not just called the room bum up like I don't know why they needed
0:54:08a second brand they make handheld vacuums I did not know that every time I
0:54:13see the iRobot branding I'm like wait is that the room book company it's just
0:54:17they have air purifiers now it is wild to me that they kept that name going as
0:54:22long as they did well they lead into it right that they didn't just rebrand the
0:54:26company to just Roomba. Yeah but it's like the iRobot OS is like the software
0:54:31they built for them they've they've gone nobody nobody knows the brand right no
0:54:36I don't think about the movie yeah and it's also a book right yes as a movie's
0:54:42based on a book so yeah Amazon's buying them for 1.7 billion dollars the CEO is
0:54:49gonna stay on and run the company so it's gonna be I expect will just be
0:54:56call iRobot or maybe Amazon make them change the name to Roomba but same as
0:55:01Ring, same as Eero, these are companies that have continued to run somewhat
0:55:07independently or you know but I'm sure like like Eero you'll be able to sign in
0:55:12with your Amazon account at some point which just makes sense. This is a time
0:55:17people keep saying I just listened to Ben Thompson say this today this is the
0:55:22time for acquisitions because stock prices are down so if you're a company
0:55:25with cash you can just buy up the company if you've had your eye on for a
0:55:28while and so that's happening. Here's my hope for this. My hope is that Roombas
0:55:36get cheaper now because Roombas are expensive like I'm always surprised how
0:55:42expensive the top-of-the-line Roombas are. They are expensive products. My hope
0:55:47now is that with Amazon they might drive the prices down a bit because that's
0:55:51Amazon's thing they sell their own hardware stuff really cheaply right like
0:55:56compare it compared to other products of that class the echoes are cheap products
0:56:04yes yeah they're subsidizing it with everything else they do right and people
0:56:08point out in the discord that like Eros but Eros weren't very expensive for
0:56:12their product class Roomba's are expensive products so I would hope that
0:56:16that that would be the case but also I'm I'm like it I think like anybody that
0:56:22gets a Roomba I love Roomba yep like the products are fantastic and now this
0:56:28means that the company won't go out of business which I'm really happy about
0:56:31right and now they're less likely to go out of business because now Amazon has
0:56:36to go out of business and if Amazon goes out of business we've got a lot more
0:56:39problems the internet doesn't work any that our robots not working yeah exactly
0:56:43So I'm pretty I'm pretty jazzed about it to be honest. The CEO sticking around is
0:56:49is very similar to how other things have gone. So when they bought Eero which was
0:56:57rumored to be like 98 million dollars they paid basically nothing for Eero but
0:57:01Eero was apparently kind of in bad financial straits at the time. Their CEO
0:57:07and most of the leadership team stayed on and when they bought Ring for a
0:57:12similar amount of money to them buying iRobot, the CEO and leadership stuck
0:57:19around. This seems to be how Amazon likes doing this. We're like these companies,
0:57:22from what I've heard of interviews of the Eero guy whose name escapes me, they
0:57:28basically still operate like companies, you know, they're within Amazon and then
0:57:32they can can work and navigate the Amazon infrastructure, but they're still
0:57:38doing their own thing, their own product development, and honestly I think
0:57:41think that that has worked pretty well for Amazon, especially when you contrast
0:57:47it to like what happened with Google and Nest, right? Like Nest was independent
0:57:52within Google, then it was an alphabet and they folded it in and everybody left
0:57:56and it was like, they've run into the ground.
0:57:58And then they, they unfolded it again, and then did nothing with it. Right?
0:58:04Because it's its own brand again, isn't it? Nest by Google?
0:58:07- I think so, but it's interesting.
0:58:12There's a lot of reasons Amazon would want to do this,
0:58:17I think, I mean, it's another kind of smart home
0:58:21type business and they can integrate it
0:58:23with their assistant and everything.
0:58:25There's already a skill for the Echo line
0:58:28where you can ask the tube to run your vacuum,
0:58:31but there's obviously concerns here from some people
0:58:36about what does this mean from like a privacy perspective
0:58:40because Roomba is at least like the new,
0:58:44sort of higher end ones.
0:58:45Mine's a couple years old now,
0:58:47but it was like the nicest one when it was for sale new.
0:58:51You know, it does map my house and if you go in the app,
0:58:55like, I mean, the map kind of looks like it was drawn
0:58:56by a four year old, but like it kind of gets,
0:58:59you know what my house looks like.
0:59:01You know, quite frankly, like I don't see,
0:59:04Like what's Amazon going to do with that compared to what they already know about
0:59:08me in terms of purchasing and my purchasing at Whole Foods. And yeah, you know,
0:59:12and I mean, I get like, I'm a guy with ring cameras and a Euro system.
0:59:16Like I'm fine with Amazon products in my household if you're not.
0:59:20And that's where you've drawn your line. That's fine.
0:59:23I will ask, I will ask, I was just asked the question flatly. You'll be nice.
0:59:26What do you think Amazon want the layout of your home for?
0:59:29What do you think they're going to do?
0:59:30I don't know. That's yeah.
0:59:31Amazon don't care about the shape of your living room.
0:59:35You give them everything already.
0:59:38You buy from them.
0:59:40- Yeah. - Right?
0:59:41That's all they want.
0:59:42They just wanna know what products you buy.
0:59:43They don't wanna know what dust is under your sofa.
0:59:47Like they don't care about that.
0:59:49And I know that they do the ring thing with police,
0:59:55but like that's a different thing, right?
0:59:57I'm not talking about that.
0:59:58- That's bad news, right?
0:59:59and Ring lacked into encryption and some others.
1:00:03Like Ring's been problematic.
1:00:05And I went into the ecosystem knowing all that
1:00:07and you can turn, you can change all your settings
1:00:09to make that basically better.
1:00:11And you know, if I don't know how much the Roomba can see,
1:00:16right, in terms of like its sensors or like a camera,
1:00:20and I get that, right,
1:00:21and everyone has to make their own decisions.
1:00:23- Every technology company gives information
1:00:27to police when compelled to.
1:00:30Like, none of them don't do that.
1:00:32- Yeah, well, it's the law.
1:00:34- Yes, so like maybe Ring do it more than others.
1:00:38Like, sure, but you cannot buy technology
1:00:42assuming that that won't happen to you.
1:00:45It can all happen to you.
1:00:47It might be different, the information that they give,
1:00:49but like, is your security camera less or more risky for you
1:00:54than your iMessages?
1:00:56because if you use iCloud backup,
1:00:59then your iMessage information can be given to the police.
1:01:02So like, you know, there is no,
1:01:06there are ways to protect you from all this stuff,
1:01:09but then you can't benefit from a lot of the things
1:01:12that you would like to benefit from,
1:01:13like backing up your phone, right?
1:01:16Good luck backing up your phone without iCloud.
1:01:19So like, I get, like it is healthy to be skeptical,
1:01:23but like just to naturally assume
1:01:25that every company or like every company that's not Apple
1:01:29is gonna give your information away to the government,
1:01:31like Apple do it as well.
1:01:33So let's just put all of our cards on the table here.
1:01:36- Yeah, I think that's well said.
1:01:39I'm not, you know, I'm not gonna be taping over
1:01:43the sensors on my room, but I'm gonna continue to use it.
1:01:47You know, for me, it's like where my line sort of fell
1:01:51in this is that, I mean, we use HomePods in the house,
1:01:54mostly because I switched everything to home kit,
1:01:58worked a little bit better,
1:01:59and the HomePod, like the one big HomePod I have left
1:02:02that's still alive is in the kitchen
1:02:03and it sounds incredible,
1:02:04and we listen to a lot of music on it.
1:02:06You know, for me, like I wouldn't put one of these,
1:02:10one of these smart home things with a camera,
1:02:11like in the bedroom, right?
1:02:13Like my wife would not want that, I don't want that.
1:02:14So I would not have like an Echo Show.
1:02:16I would not have that in the bedroom.
1:02:17But my iPhone sits on my nightstand
1:02:20and it's got four cameras on it, right?
1:02:21Like, so there's, none of these lines are perfect.
1:02:24And it's really about kind of wherever you fall
1:02:27and how you think about these things.
1:02:29For me, I'm not worried about it.
1:02:31I'm not worried about iRobot being run to the ground.
1:02:33Like Amazon, I think has done a pretty good job
1:02:36with these other purchases.
1:02:37There are, there have been hiccups, like no doubt.
1:02:39But if the alternative was them going away
1:02:43or being bought by Google,
1:02:44which has a bad history of managing these companies,
1:02:46like I'm pretty okay with this
1:02:48as a long time Roomba customer.
1:02:51As I said before if it keeps remember around and now maybe does something about trying to make things cheaper and/or
1:02:57Integrative other products that I own in a better way like I'm into it personally
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1:05:29Okay. This has been, you know,
1:05:32around
1:05:34Some tech youtubers have talked about it. It's
1:05:37effectively, I mean it's it's a chunky webcam and it has a
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1:06:14So I had an invite come for a couple of weeks ago as well and I decided not to do it
1:06:19Okay, because it's $300 and I thought to myself
1:06:23I don't want it for $300 now. I would say at the time I didn't need a webcam
1:06:29Mm-hmm. Well now I've got the MacBook Pro plugged into an LG display
1:06:34Yeah.
1:06:35And I don't have a webcam.
1:06:39So now if I ever need to do video while I've got my podcast gear, I need to take things
1:06:46apart.
1:06:47Which is fine, I can just go take my Brio from my PC and plug it in.
1:06:51It will be easy enough to do.
1:06:53But like, because I just got the studio display, so I was like, well I don't need the camera
1:06:57anymore because I have the iMac, but no I don't have that.
1:07:01But I don't, I think I'm going to take that $300 and I'm going to put it into a pot to
1:07:07save up for another studio display for my recording desk.
1:07:12Because I have a 32 inch OG in front of me right now, which is too big.
1:07:16But I'm just reusing the monitor that I had been using previously for my other thing.
1:07:23And ah, good point from Pastor Boy.
1:07:26Continuity camera was the other thing I wanted to try out.
1:07:29I don't I'm not going to bother getting camo or I'm not going to go into that
1:07:33Doing that right now because continuity cameras just around the corner at this point
1:07:37And I have a webcam here at the studio that I use when I stream
1:07:41But yeah, I am so intrigued though. I watched a
1:07:45Friend of the show David Sparks did a video about one
1:07:49Which I assume maybe been another reason what pushed you to it. You seem pretty jazzed about it. Yeah, it's it's pretty sweet
1:07:56So I've I was using the LG Brio which is a 4k and I had a version with a little magnetic mount for the pro display
1:08:02This is definitely
1:08:05better than that camera, but I'm not sure it's worth $300 unless you make your living on
1:08:12Doing a bunch of stuff with your webcam, right? It has
1:08:16You know physical features it is USB C
1:08:19Which is really nice and it comes with a a little mount with little legs so you can kind of you know
1:08:25make it squeeze the top of your display and it's got a pivot so you can angle it down because
1:08:30You know ergonomically the top of your screen should be
1:08:32above your eye line and then it's sort of looking at the top of your head so you can you can angle it down and
1:08:37it has a
1:08:40magnetic lens cover and an LED when it's active so, you know
1:08:45When it's active and you can actually put a physical lens cap over it when you're not using it and it's super smart
1:08:52So if you take the lens cap off the camera wakes up if you put it on the camera goes to sleep
1:08:56But on the software side, it's a little bit weird. They have a Mac mini bar app that runs all the time and
1:09:04It gives you
1:09:06control over
1:09:08what the camera is doing and so you have
1:09:12a bunch of
1:09:14Camera settings so you can lock the focus
1:09:17You can record just within their app if you just need to do like a little little something
1:09:22You can change the bokeh. So you can like really kind of blow out the background again. It goes down
1:09:28The the bokeh goes down to f is 0.7
1:09:32You can add a logo you can zoom as face lock which is like center stage where it sort of follows your head around
1:09:39Which is kind of funny
1:09:41And there's also some audio settings because it does have microphones and microphones do sound
1:09:46Really good. It's the best sounding webcam I've ever had but you got to have that Mac app. It does install a system extension
1:09:53so you've got to go into
1:09:54system settings or assistive preferences and
1:09:58Allow that which is fine. Do you got to do the rebooting?
1:10:01No
1:10:02The only audio had actually only one that has to do that that I've ever come across is that because it's the first time
1:10:07It's the first time right because you have to go in and say reduce system
1:10:11Security and then they'll all be fine after that I think
1:10:15think? Maybe. I didn't have to reboot or anything. The software's fine. I mean, you know, it's
1:10:20like another thing in my menu bar, but I have a million things in my menu bar, so it's fine.
1:10:24And you have a 400 inch wide display. 32 inches, yeah. Same as you. I love how a minute ago
1:10:32I said 32 was too big and you agreed with me. I have a much bigger desk than you do.
1:10:37And I don't have a second monitor next to it like you do. That's true. Well, this desk
1:10:41is is small and beautiful a desk that's a big desk yes covered in your face this
1:10:46this is really it's more your desk than mine you can you could use this as a
1:10:51stand like a more standalone thing it doesn't have to be clipped to the top
1:10:54your display the bottom has a quarter 20 on it so you can screw it on to a plate
1:10:58to put on a tripod or something and it does get warm after a little bit which
1:11:04is kind of weird but even in like 1080 mode which I have mine in because zoom
1:11:09and some of the applications sort of balk if you if you have it set to the full 4k, but it's really nice
1:11:15no one needs a $300 webcam including me, but if
1:11:20You you know say that you want to start streaming or something like if it was between this or like
1:11:26Something like an rx100 or something and then you're gonna like pipe it into your computer
1:11:30I think I would look at this first just because
1:11:33It has a lot of stuff in software and is simpler to manage than like a you know setting up
1:11:39a quote unquote real camera as your webcam.
1:11:42Did you use it to take your new profile photo?
1:11:45No, that was with my Sony camera.
1:11:47Okay.
1:11:48My big one.
1:11:49Some people had autofocus issues.
1:11:51Okay.
1:11:52Mine seems okay.
1:11:54You know, maybe that's the software thing.
1:11:56The software is definitely like in beta.
1:11:59And so it says beta on it.
1:12:01Like it's, I mean, it's not even widely available to purchase.
1:12:04Like this is a very young new product.
1:12:07So, uh, I have not had the autofocus issues, but if you do, my hope is that
1:12:12they could fix that in the software side.
1:12:14Yeah.
1:12:15I think some of the invite stuff is hype.
1:12:18Oh yeah.
1:12:20I do think that it can come back to bite you because if I would have just
1:12:23been able to give them my money, I would have one of these.
1:12:26It's a good way to hide.
1:12:28Uh, I don't know if they're doing this, but it's a good way to hide supply chain
1:12:32issues, right?
1:12:33Sign up for an invite to buy it.
1:12:35We're making them as fast as we can.
1:12:37I mean, that might have been part of the reason that they did it, because this was a post-pandemic product.
1:12:44Like, the pandemic changed what people wanted from their cameras.
1:12:49People were upset with their laptop cameras, and so this company sprang up and took a lot of investment from a lot of interesting people and developed a thing.
1:13:01It's the same--I know you mentioned it's the Sony thing.
1:13:05Is it true that this is the same sensor that's in the Pixel phones?
1:13:10I heard that once, but I don't know if that's true.
1:13:12Oh, that may have been what I was thinking when I said the RX100.
1:13:15I think it may be.
1:13:17I think it's a Sony sensor, but it was used in the Google Pixel, I believe.
1:13:24Like it's actually a smartphone sensor, which surprised me.
1:13:28Yes, The Verge, in their review, which I'll put in the show notes,
1:13:32the show notes says that it is the same sensor that was in the first pixel
1:13:36because that was one of the when I found that out that actually turned me off it
1:13:40the way this thing looks makes it look like it's got like some serious hardware
1:13:45in it you know but yeah but really it is just a smartphone and I already have one
1:13:50of those mm-hmm that was and that this is these were like some of the things
1:13:53that led to me thinking that when my time came around I was like no I'm good
1:13:59And like now with continuity camera now, I'm like, no, I'm really good. Like I'm gonna have a bit
1:14:06I'm feel pretty confident that the iPhone
1:14:09Video camera will produce better image quality probably this well
1:14:15Yeah, it's it's not as good as the iPhone, but it's definitely the best
1:14:20Non-real camera I've ever hooked up to my to my computer
1:14:24Sure, let's like the best webcam you can get. Yeah, but most people including me don't actually
1:14:29Don't actually need it and but I think it's interesting. I mean mainly because of what you said right this came out of
1:14:35The the world that we were all thrust into in 2020
1:14:39I can it was really hard to buy a webcam like I remember our brother, you know
1:14:43Like everyone else I was working from home all of a sudden
1:14:45I was looking for a webcam and there just weren't any and I had an extra so I just I gave him
1:14:49Gave him an old
1:14:51LG one that I had or somebody I don't know but it's
1:14:55This is a meeting
1:14:57You know the need that people have and it's taken them a couple of years to get it out like like you would imagine anything
1:15:03Else that's hardware and software, but it is really impressive. Is it is it worth it for most people again?
1:15:08No, but if you have this need I think
1:15:11Pretty easily. It's the the nicest best thing on the market for it and it does look cool. It does look I guess the
1:15:19Flexibility is good. Right like and I have been a person who struggled with
1:15:24Flexibility in cameras right like I've been moaning about this for months about not being able to change the refresh rate
1:15:30Can you do that here like 50 or 60 Hertz? Can you do that or did it have anti flickering?
1:15:36options in their software I don't see anything in
1:15:41here about the
1:15:44refresh rate, but I would I would assume it was okay with that.
1:15:48Sometimes it's just called anti flickering or like that kind of stuff.
1:15:52Yeah, I don't, I don't see anything about that either. Um,
1:15:55there are some filters you can apply if you want to like highlights and shadows
1:15:59and stuff. Uh, you can mainly set a bunch of stuff like white balance and exposure.
1:16:03I have all that to be automatic. Um, and there's also gesture control.
1:16:07So you can like do a peace sign and the video toggles on and off or
1:16:12draw on the video like that's all fine but mostly kind of uh kind of silly i think i don't know how
1:16:21useful that is in real life oh you can put your logo on it too or you can like put a little logo
1:16:25on there update it's called anti-banding and there's three settings uh 50 hertz 60 hertz and
1:16:30auto there you go so that's this would work for you take for me but the iphone camera doesn't do it
1:16:37yeah but then you're like taking your phone out like putting in a mount like
1:16:41There's something to be said about having something that's dedicated.
1:16:44I agree with you and also as a popsocket user I don't even know if any of these mounts will work for me
1:16:49so like it might be like a whole thing that I need to work out later on
1:16:51but I could probably just use a glyph from Studio Neat
1:16:54but I don't very frequently need a webcam where I record podcasts
1:17:01like that's the only place for me where I...
1:17:03Just because of your setup.
1:17:04Just because I would usually take video calls in front of the studio display
1:17:10which does now work properly. I don't know why.
1:17:13My studio... sometimes... I go through these
1:17:16phases where sometimes the studio display will accurately change to
1:17:19the what I need it to so it stops banding or flickering,
1:17:23but sometimes it doesn't. Well they had an update for it just last week maybe
1:17:26that took care of it? I haven't run that update yet.
1:17:30So I'm confident that that update will break it because that
1:17:33that's happened before in the past. Probably.
1:17:37So that's yeah, that's the the opal c1. It's really expensive, but really nice.
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