Connected

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00:00:08 ◼   ► -From "Replay FM," this is "Connected" episode 408.

00:00:12 ◼   ► Today's show is brought to you by our excellent sponsors,

00:00:15 ◼   ► "Text Expander," "Indeed," and "Capital One."

00:00:17 ◼   ► I'm one of your co-hosts, primarily, Federico Vittucci,

00:00:20 ◼   ► and I'm very pleased to introduce my friend

00:00:23 ◼   ► and fellow co-host, Mr. Stephen Hackett.

00:00:25 ◼   ► Hello, Stephen. -Hello, Federico.

00:00:27 ◼   ► Welcome back. -Thank you.

00:00:29 ◼   ► it's good to be back it feels very nice to be back and I'm joined by our co-host mr. Myke Hurley

00:00:34 ◼   ► hello across the oceans yes well am I across an ocean from you yeah no I mean

00:00:46 ◼   ► well we have a sea in between us we don't have an ocean go the other way I mean there's two

00:00:53 ◼   ► Two oceans between us, you know?

00:00:56 ◼   ► Yeah, well.

00:00:57 ◼   ► Or if you take a really long way,

00:00:59 ◼   ► you could get like three or four oceans between us, right?

00:01:01 ◼   ► Sure, sure, I mean, if you look at it that way, yes.

00:01:04 ◼   ► Or no oceans, you just like tunnel down into the earth

00:01:07 ◼   ► and then pop up like a mole.

00:01:10 ◼   ► Jokes on you, the earth is flat, so.

00:01:12 ◼   ► That's true, you can go too far,

00:01:14 ◼   ► you fall off the other side.

00:01:15 ◼   ► Yeah. Exactly.

00:01:16 ◼   ► And you reach the wall and aliens come pick you up.

00:01:19 ◼   ► You know what the deal is.

00:01:21 ◼   ► I do, I do.

00:01:22 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:01:23 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:01:25 ◼   ► - Hey, pick a number between one and 10.

00:01:27 ◼   ► - Seven.

00:01:28 ◼   ► - Oh no.

00:01:29 ◼   ► I don't wanna do this.

00:01:32 ◼   ► - Pick a number between one and 10.

00:01:34 ◼   ► - Well, he already said seven.

00:01:36 ◼   ► - Yeah, I'm talking to you, Myke.

00:01:37 ◼   ► Pick a number.

00:01:38 ◼   ► - Oh, three?

00:01:40 ◼   ► - Federico wins.

00:01:41 ◼   ► He is the closest.

00:01:43 ◼   ► There are currently eight days left

00:01:45 ◼   ► in the 2023 Apple history calendar Kickstarter.

00:01:49 ◼   ► The link is in the show notes.

00:01:51 ◼   ► - What does he win, the opportunity to back your Kickstarter project?

00:01:54 ◼   ► - You have the opportunity to buy a calendar.

00:01:57 ◼   ► And it's a really good calendar, if I must say so myself.

00:02:00 ◼   ► - Mm-hmm.

00:02:01 ◼   ► Well, you would.

00:02:02 ◼   ► - I mean, I'm biased. - Yeah.

00:02:03 ◼   ► - But a thousand people liked it last year, so...

00:02:06 ◼   ► You should join in. - What if there's

00:02:08 ◼   ► a big error, though?

00:02:09 ◼   ► Would it be good then?

00:02:10 ◼   ► - No, don't say that.

00:02:12 ◼   ► - What if you put like-- - Stop!

00:02:13 ◼   ► - 32 days in July or something?

00:02:15 ◼   ► - No, no, no, no, no.

00:02:17 ◼   ► This thing is fact-checked enough

00:02:18 ◼   ► where many people would suffer

00:02:19 ◼   ► if they were 32 days in July.

00:02:22 ◼   ► - Yeah, but who checked the fact checkers?

00:02:24 ◼   ► That's the question.

00:02:26 ◼   ► - It's true.

00:02:26 ◼   ► - Who's fact checking the fact checkers, you know?

00:02:27 ◼   ► - Yeah. - It's important.

00:02:29 ◼   ► This is important stuff.

00:02:30 ◼   ► - Double down on the fact checking.

00:02:31 ◼   ► Anyways, eight days left, go check it out.

00:02:35 ◼   ► - You have to make one of those YouTube videos

00:02:37 ◼   ► like "Grey Maid".

00:02:38 ◼   ► "Why Stephen Hackett was wrong."

00:02:40 ◼   ► - "Was wrong."

00:02:41 ◼   ► - That's right. - You'll have to do

00:02:42 ◼   ► one of those.

00:02:43 ◼   ► - Do you guys ever talk about yourselves

00:02:45 ◼   ► in the third person?

00:02:46 ◼   ► - No. - No.

00:02:47 ◼   ► - Yeah, me neither.

00:02:48 ◼   ► But there's so many people who do and I find it so weird.

00:02:51 ◼   ► - Yeah, I don't agree with that as a thing.

00:02:54 ◼   ► - But so many people do that.

00:02:57 ◼   ► - Federico, a question came up in our Discord

00:02:59 ◼   ► for Relay FM members.

00:03:01 ◼   ► If you're a member of Relay FM,

00:03:02 ◼   ► you get a bunch of cool perks, Discord.

00:03:05 ◼   ► - Oh, let's see.

00:03:06 ◼   ► - Newsletter, wallpapers, all sorts of cool stuff.

00:03:08 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:03:09 ◼   ► - I thought you'd blanked on it there.

00:03:11 ◼   ► - I did for a second.

00:03:12 ◼   ► - I'm sure there's some good stuff in there.

00:03:15 ◼   ► Look, don't worry about it.

00:03:17 ◼   ► I don't know who runs our membership program,

00:03:19 ◼   ► but he sounds like a real special guy.

00:03:23 ◼   ► So Federico, a couple of years ago,

00:03:25 ◼   ► you went on this vision quest

00:03:27 ◼   ► to make the AirPods Pro more comfortable,

00:03:29 ◼   ► and you ended up with the Comply foam tips,

00:03:32 ◼   ► and people wanted a follow-up on that.

00:03:34 ◼   ► Are you still using them?

00:03:35 ◼   ► Did you find something else?

00:03:36 ◼   ► What's the state of your AirPods Pro?

00:03:38 ◼   ► - I am not using the Comply foam tips anymore,

00:03:41 ◼   ► but I am using a different set of tips

00:03:44 ◼   ► that were recommended to me by friend of the show, Chris

00:03:48 ◼   ► Lolly.

00:03:50 ◼   ► So I am using--

00:03:51 ◼   ► I'm going to send you a link.

00:03:52 ◼   ► These are like hybrid tips that are

00:03:55 ◼   ► using a mix of memory foam and silicon on the outside.

00:03:59 ◼   ► So they're called the Chargen Pro Tips.

00:04:03 ◼   ► And here's a link on Amazon.com for you.

00:04:07 ◼   ► I really like this because they look like regular AirPods tips,

00:04:11 ◼   ► but they have foam on the inside.

00:04:15 ◼   ► So they do adapt to the shape of your ear better

00:04:18 ◼   ► than just standard silicone tips from Apple.

00:04:21 ◼   ► And I like them because they're easier to clean

00:04:27 ◼   ► and you don't have to press them and warm them up

00:04:32 ◼   ► with your fingers like the regular foam tips.

00:04:35 ◼   ► And also the regular foam tips,

00:04:39 ◼   ► they get absolutely disgusting over time

00:04:41 ◼   ► and you gotta change them every couple of months

00:04:43 ◼   ► if you don't pay attention to cleaning them every week

00:04:46 ◼   ► or so, every few days actually.

00:04:48 ◼   ► And these are much better because they're easier to clean

00:04:51 ◼   ► and they got mostly the same benefits

00:04:53 ◼   ► of the Comply foam tips,

00:04:55 ◼   ► meaning they are more comfortable

00:04:56 ◼   ► and I feel like they really adapt

00:05:00 ◼   ► to the shape of my inner ear.

00:05:02 ◼   ► And yeah, I've been using them

00:05:04 ◼   ► for the past more than six months actually,

00:05:07 ◼   ► because I was looking at my Amazon order page.

00:05:09 ◼   ► I've been using them since September of last year,

00:05:11 ◼   ► so I can recommend these.

00:05:14 ◼   ► I think they're--

00:05:14 ◼   ► - These are basically, they're silicone on the outside,

00:05:17 ◼   ► but it gets squished on the inside,

00:05:20 ◼   ► so it makes a better seal.

00:05:21 ◼   ► Is that the thing? - Yep, exactly.

00:05:23 ◼   ► Exactly.

00:05:24 ◼   ► - Huh.

00:05:24 ◼   ► - It's like a hybrid approach.

00:05:26 ◼   ► They did a Kickstarter last year,

00:05:29 ◼   ► and now you can just get them from Amazon.

00:05:31 ◼   ► And this Chargent Pro folks,

00:05:33 ◼   ► they do a bunch of other accessories,

00:05:35 ◼   ► actually, for the AirPods.

00:05:36 ◼   ► I was familiar with them,

00:05:37 ◼   ► because back in the day, I think I bought from them

00:05:40 ◼   ► one of those hooks that you could put around

00:05:44 ◼   ► the regular AirPods if you wanted your AirPods

00:05:48 ◼   ► to look like the Powerbeats or something.

00:05:51 ◼   ► I believe that these folks,

00:05:52 ◼   ► they used to make those accessories.

00:05:54 ◼   ► And now they're also making these hybrid foam tips.

00:05:57 ◼   ► Yeah, I like 'em.

00:05:58 ◼   ► - Wow, yeah, they raised 50 grand on Kickstarter.

00:06:02 ◼   ► It's not calendar money.

00:06:04 ◼   ► There you go, there you go.

00:06:05 ◼   ► There you go, there you go.

00:06:06 ◼   ► I'm just kidding.

00:06:07 ◼   ► Maybe next year you should pivot to making, you know, foam tapes with dates on them.

00:06:13 ◼   ► I could.

00:06:14 ◼   ► Yeah, one for every day, a pair a day.

00:06:17 ◼   ► A pair of...

00:06:18 ◼   ► Oh my God.

00:06:19 ◼   ► So these people have some pretty cool like product imagery, but the, for lack of a better

00:06:23 ◼   ► term, the cover image on the Amazon page, the first one is like an AirPod Pro and then

00:06:29 ◼   ► has the tip and I can't explode it view, but it has the jankiest glow outline around the

00:06:35 ◼   ► components. Why did you make that the default image? I'll tell you why I did it.

00:06:41 ◼   ► Because at small sizes you probably can't tell that these are actually

00:06:46 ◼   ► separate things. I think this is like a designer's way of trying to...

00:06:51 ◼   ► Actually this wasn't the designer's thing, this is the owner who said you need to

00:06:54 ◼   ► make this clearer. So then the designer put a glow behind the element. And then

00:06:58 ◼   ► walked into the ocean. Yeah and then that was the end of that.

00:07:02 ◼   ► you know yeah cool talking about AirPods Pro actually I don't know about you

00:07:07 ◼   ► Federico my AirPods Pro's battery is like on its lost legs now well remember

00:07:13 ◼   ► I got the new ones at some point mid cycle I have the custom ones oh yeah okay

00:07:19 ◼   ► so mine are a thousand days old no because I got them when they came out

00:07:25 ◼   ► and that's that's a thousand days old now I saw on MacRumors I'm charging

00:07:30 ◼   ► I'm charging it like every day. I remember this happened and you guys probably remember

00:07:34 ◼   ► this too with the original AirPods, like before AirPods Pro came out, we were all complaining

00:07:39 ◼   ► the battery wouldn't last because we'd never changed them. So I hope that they release

00:07:47 ◼   ► some new ones soon. It's probably not going to be until September I would expect, but

00:07:52 ◼   ► I'm ready for new AirPods Pro if anything just to get new battery. And I know I could

00:07:56 ◼   ► buy a new case or whatever but I just don't want to do that like I'm just not

00:08:00 ◼   ► going to do that I'm just gonna wait but I I'm ready I'm very ready but imagine a

00:08:05 ◼   ► case wouldn't even make all the difference because it's probably the

00:08:08 ◼   ► batteries and the air pods themselves that's I'm I guess both are probably

00:08:13 ◼   ► wearing out yeah you're right it's probably it's probably a bit of both

00:08:16 ◼   ► that I'm seeing yeah because I feel like I don't know it's the air pods but I

00:08:21 ◼   ► guess that that's not the thing right but yeah yeah okay I see I'm on my third

00:08:25 ◼   ► pair of AirPods 2. They're the ones I like the most and they're all you know

00:08:31 ◼   ► they get old. How are you on your third pair of those? Wait did you say third? Mm-hmm

00:08:37 ◼   ► the first pair yeah it was like basically battery death and then I think

00:08:43 ◼   ► the second one I lost. Wait one said I lost and one said succumb to battery

00:08:49 ◼   ► failure. Didn't you drop a pair in a gym once and decide you didn't want them anymore?

00:08:54 ◼   ► No, that was, my wife and I actually were just talking

00:08:57 ◼   ► about this, so I dropped the case in the gym bathroom.

00:09:02 ◼   ► This is before COVID when I actually like went to a gym

00:09:05 ◼   ► and they skittered across the floor and I thought,

00:09:08 ◼   ► well, I have to replace these.

00:09:10 ◼   ► And I said that jokingly, but I just cleaned them very well.

00:09:13 ◼   ► Believe me, I wanted to replace them because,

00:09:16 ◼   ► Oh, okay.

00:09:16 ◼   ► Oh, but I didn't.

00:09:18 ◼   ► Good gym, yeah.

00:09:19 ◼   ► My wife would have actually murdered me.

00:09:22 ◼   ► I thought I had lost a heart rate sensor in a gym once.

00:09:25 ◼   ► Turns out it was stolen from me, so.

00:09:28 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:09:30 ◼   ► - Yeah, man.

00:09:33 ◼   ► - Pay attention when you are in a gym

00:09:35 ◼   ► or close to people you think are your friends.

00:09:38 ◼   ► - I mean, I wasn't in the gym,

00:09:39 ◼   ► so if now you're saying you lost it in the gym,

00:09:42 ◼   ► then it had nothing to do with me.

00:09:44 ◼   ► - Oh, he thought he lost it in the gym.

00:09:45 ◼   ► - I thought I did.

00:09:46 ◼   ► - But it turns out it wasn't Jim, it was Myke.

00:09:49 ◼   ► Different guy.

00:09:50 ◼   ► - My God.

00:09:51 ◼   ► The enemy was sleeping right next to me.

00:09:54 ◼   ► As they often do, Federico.

00:09:55 ◼   ► The whole time.

00:09:57 ◼   ► We need to pour-

00:10:01 ◼   ► We still have not gotten,

00:10:02 ◼   ► no, we've not gotten to the bottom

00:10:04 ◼   ► of three pairs of AirPods 2.

00:10:07 ◼   ► No, I told you, one was lost, one I replaced

00:10:10 ◼   ► 'cause the batteries failed.

00:10:12 ◼   ► So I'm on my third pair.

00:10:13 ◼   ► Oh, okay.

00:10:14 ◼   ► They're right over there on my,

00:10:16 ◼   ► I have a little thing by the door in my studio

00:10:18 ◼   ► that I put my wallet and keys and AirPods on every day.

00:10:20 ◼   ► So you've gone through three pairs of AirPods 2 in the same time that I've had my one pair of AirPods Pro?

00:10:26 ◼   ► Did AirPods 2 and Pro come out at the same time?

00:10:29 ◼   ► No, AirPods 2 came out later.

00:10:32 ◼   ► Ooh, that's not good.

00:10:33 ◼   ► [laughter]

00:10:36 ◼   ► It's probably like halfway through that too, like AirPods 2 were like a year or two ago, right?

00:10:40 ◼   ► What? No, come on.

00:10:42 ◼   ► No, AirPods...

00:10:43 ◼   ► AirPods 2 have been out a long time.

00:10:45 ◼   ► Are we on the AirPods 3? Oh, now we are on the AirPods 3.

00:10:47 ◼   ► Oh, now we're on AirPods 3. Okay.

00:10:50 ◼   ► Which don't work for me.

00:10:51 ◼   ► Let me see.

00:10:53 ◼   ► Audio AirPods second

00:10:55 ◼   ► generation March 2019

00:10:58 ◼   ► AirPods Pro October

00:11:01 ◼   ► 2019.

00:11:02 ◼   ► OK, OK.

00:11:03 ◼   ► I mean, this isn't that much better

00:11:05 ◼   ► for you, but it's still not.

00:11:06 ◼   ► It's not a big difference now.

00:11:08 ◼   ► It's better. Yeah, I was I was

00:11:10 ◼   ► thinking AirPods 2 was AirPods 3.

00:11:12 ◼   ► I forgot that the original AirPods

00:11:14 ◼   ► didn't have like wireless charging,

00:11:16 ◼   ► right?

00:11:17 ◼   ► Man, what a good lineup of products.

00:11:19 ◼   ► I mean, can we just say that for a second?

00:11:20 ◼   ► Like, I don't even think,

00:11:23 ◼   ► I don't think Apple was really prepared for like,

00:11:25 ◼   ► what a huge hit these have been.

00:11:27 ◼   ► - Oh no, 'cause they were always out of stock, right?

00:11:29 ◼   ► Like for a long time.

00:11:31 ◼   ► I--

00:11:32 ◼   ► - It was impossible to get them at launch.

00:11:33 ◼   ► - I appreciate Apple's restraint too,

00:11:35 ◼   ► that they don't release a new pair every year.

00:11:37 ◼   ► Like--

00:11:38 ◼   ► - Me too.

00:11:39 ◼   ► - That they wait until they have a substantial update,

00:11:41 ◼   ► it seems, and then they put out a new one.

00:11:43 ◼   ► - They wait till everybody's batteries are dying.

00:11:45 ◼   ► - And then they put out a new one.

00:11:47 ◼   ► So talking about kind of audio hardware, I just saw this today. This is I think mostly aimed at

00:11:53 ◼   ► Federico on variety. Quote, "In the second quarter, Spotify's gross margin was 24.6% compared to 28.4%

00:12:01 ◼   ► the year prior. For the most recent quarter, that was hurt by the decision to stop manufacturing

00:12:07 ◼   ► car things, Spotify's device for connecting smartphones to car entertainment systems,

00:12:11 ◼   ► which resulted in a 31 million dollar, million euro one-time charge.

00:12:16 ◼   ► So they stopped making it and cut it as a loss and then that was the end of that.

00:12:20 ◼   ► I loved Karthing. I thought it was so cool.

00:12:23 ◼   ► I think Jon has one for me that he was supposed to give to me or ship to me or something. I'm not sure.

00:12:33 ◼   ► After a recent episode of one of the Max Stories, uh, podcast, Universe podcasts,

00:12:39 ◼   ► I don't remember which one it was, where you told him about getting rid of...

00:12:44 ◼   ► was it Homepods or Echoes or something?

00:12:47 ◼   ► And he was sounding really upset about the snowstorm.

00:12:50 ◼   ► So I don't think he's gonna give you anything anymore.

00:12:55 ◼   ► Yeah, I don't think he's gonna ship you anything anymore.

00:12:59 ◼   ► Yeah, he's done.

00:13:00 ◼   ► I know.

00:13:00 ◼   ► It's only Big Apple Buddy left for me.

00:13:03 ◼   ► But what do you need anymore, you know?

00:13:07 ◼   ► Do you need any better than Big Apple Buddy?

00:13:09 ◼   ► I don't think so.

00:13:10 ◼   ► - No, exactly.

00:13:11 ◼   ► They still send me weekly emails.

00:13:13 ◼   ► For example, now I can get the Pixel Buds from the US.

00:13:17 ◼   ► - Well, who else doesn't want to hear from their buddies?

00:13:19 ◼   ► - I get physical mail from the animal shelter

00:13:22 ◼   ► that you donated to once on,

00:13:25 ◼   ► or that you picked for me to donate to.

00:13:27 ◼   ► I forget what happened.

00:13:29 ◼   ► They send me a postcard about three times a year

00:13:32 ◼   ► soliciting donations.

00:13:33 ◼   ► - That's great.

00:13:34 ◼   ► - So you get Federico mail.

00:13:37 ◼   ► That's good.

00:13:38 ◼   ► - Yeah, if you don't mind,

00:13:40 ◼   ► I'm also gonna set up a forwarding rule in my Gmail.

00:13:43 ◼   ► - No!

00:13:44 ◼   ► - I mean.

00:13:45 ◼   ► - It's just more Federico mail for you.

00:13:46 ◼   ► - So you can also get that if you want.

00:13:48 ◼   ► - Big application, all email forwarded to Steven.

00:13:51 ◼   ► - I mean, might as well, you know.

00:13:55 ◼   ► So you're getting physical mail, you're getting email.

00:13:58 ◼   ► What is it called in For All Mankind, the DMail?

00:14:01 ◼   ► - DMail.

00:14:02 ◼   ► - Is it what they call it? DMail, yeah.

00:14:04 ◼   ► - I'm like halfway through the season now.

00:14:06 ◼   ► -No spoilers. -Oh, man.

00:14:07 ◼   ► It's intense.

00:14:09 ◼   ► -Yes. -My word.

00:14:11 ◼   ► They ratcheted it up this season.

00:14:13 ◼   ► Wow. I'm loving it though.

00:14:15 ◼   ► Oh my God. The episode from Friday.

00:14:18 ◼   ► Oh my, oh my.

00:14:19 ◼   ► I haven't seen that one yet.

00:14:21 ◼   ► And I know that it's only getting "worse" in terms of intensity

00:14:25 ◼   ► because the creators said that episode eight

00:14:27 ◼   ► is one of the really intense ones.

00:14:29 ◼   ► -Yep. -And that's the one coming out next.

00:14:32 ◼   ► So, yeah.

00:14:34 ◼   ► Steven's seen it.

00:14:35 ◼   ► I saw the finale this weekend.

00:14:36 ◼   ► I'm so jealous.

00:14:39 ◼   ► I'm so jealous.

00:14:40 ◼   ► I now feel like I'm in a race with the show

00:14:44 ◼   ► so I can get to it while I still have my screeners.

00:14:48 ◼   ► Like, the others still, you know.

00:14:51 ◼   ► I've just been watching them on Apple TV at the moment.

00:14:53 ◼   ► It's really good.

00:14:55 ◼   ► Such a good show.

00:14:56 ◼   ► And just renewed for a new season, as was Mythic Quest,

00:14:59 ◼   ► which is another Apple TV Plus show that I really like.

00:15:01 ◼   ► They renewed Mythic Quest?

00:15:02 ◼   ► They did.

00:15:03 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:15:04 ◼   ► - It's a surprise. - I know.

00:15:06 ◼   ► - I'm excited, I'm pleased about it.

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00:17:22 ◼   ► Wanna talk a little bit about Apple Store stuff.

00:17:24 ◼   ► How does that sound?

00:17:25 ◼   ► - All right, okay.

00:17:27 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:17:28 ◼   ► Michael Stieber used to cover Apple retail for nine to five Mac and then went out on his own a while back

00:17:33 ◼   ► He's got a newsletter now, which is great called tabletop

00:17:36 ◼   ► he covers

00:17:39 ◼   ► Apple retail better than I think anyone else and he has put together

00:17:43 ◼   ► What he's calling the Apple store time machine. There's a link in the show notes. Check it out. It's a Mac app that lets you explore

00:17:52 ◼   ► For Apple stores as they were on specific dates in the past

00:17:56 ◼   ► So he has Tyson's corner, which was the first Apple store open and it's the way it was in May 2001 when it opened

00:18:04 ◼   ► He has Stanford shopping center in October of 2004, which was the first mini Apple store

00:18:10 ◼   ► Do you guys ever come across those the mini stores? I've seen any pictures but never in real life

00:18:16 ◼   ► I don't think I know what that means. So it is a or was they don't do any more

00:18:21 ◼   ► they were like a half width Apple store. Like Myke, do you

00:18:25 ◼   ► remember the old Apple store here before they moved across

00:18:28 ◼   ► the street? Yeah, it was like half of that width. So it was

00:18:33 ◼   ► narrow and they did brush metal on all the walls and it was just

00:18:36 ◼   ► like, basically less third party stuff on it in it. Okay. And in

00:18:42 ◼   ► it. It's anyways, the Stanford shopping center was the first

00:18:46 ◼   ► one. So he's recreated that. And then the first day that the Fifth

00:18:51 ◼   ► Avenue store was open and when when they reopened the Apple

00:18:54 ◼   ► infinite loop store in 2015. Now that's basically like a regular

00:18:58 ◼   ► Apple store with some t shirts in it. It used to be like when I

00:19:01 ◼   ► was out there in 2007. It was basically all merchandise. So

00:19:06 ◼   ► you can walk through these stores and experience them.

00:19:10 ◼   ► There's tons of little Easter eggs in it. The attention to

00:19:13 ◼   ► detail is really, really cool. And if you if you spend a lot of

00:19:18 ◼   ► time in Apple stores like I did in the past, it really kind of

00:19:21 ◼   ► took me back in a way that I wasn't expecting.

00:19:23 ◼   ► How did he get this information?

00:19:26 ◼   ► I don't understand.

00:19:28 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:19:29 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:19:31 ◼   ► I mean, it's so detailed.

00:19:32 ◼   ► Like he's had some tweets about it,

00:19:33 ◼   ► about how one of the stores,

00:19:35 ◼   ► like the launch pictures included

00:19:37 ◼   ► like a certain type of graphic on the wall.

00:19:40 ◼   ► And then when it opened, it was different.

00:19:42 ◼   ► So like he had to contend with that.

00:19:43 ◼   ► It's all very impressive.

00:19:46 ◼   ► This is a Stephen Hackett project if I've ever seen one.

00:19:48 ◼   ► This is like Stephen bait.

00:19:50 ◼   ► [LAUGHTER]

00:19:51 ◼   ► I think he knew that when he told me about it.

00:19:54 ◼   ► This was built with Unity, the game engine, I believe.

00:19:57 ◼   ► It was.

00:19:58 ◼   ► Huh.

00:19:59 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:19:59 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:20:00 ◼   ► This is so impressive.

00:20:01 ◼   ► So you have to download the Mac app, and then--

00:20:04 ◼   ► OK.

00:20:05 ◼   ► I don't think I did that.

00:20:07 ◼   ► If I'm not mistaken, Michael is relatively new to 3D graphics

00:20:12 ◼   ► and animations.

00:20:13 ◼   ► So this is excellent work.

00:20:15 ◼   ► I mean, packaged this way in this sort

00:20:18 ◼   ► of interactive experience.

00:20:19 ◼   ► I mean, it's a remarkable idea and the execution is also,

00:20:24 ◼   ► like it's really well done.

00:20:27 ◼   ► And the historical knowledge behind this

00:20:29 ◼   ► is really impressive.

00:20:31 ◼   ► Like to go back and find the exact layout of a store

00:20:34 ◼   ► from 20 years ago, down to the posters on the wall

00:20:37 ◼   ► and the boxed software on the shelves,

00:20:40 ◼   ► like that's honestly impressive.

00:20:42 ◼   ► - I'd forgotten some of the things in here,

00:20:44 ◼   ► like, and there's a little glimpse

00:20:46 ◼   ► in the little preview trailer of the New York store.

00:20:49 ◼   ► There used to be a separate iPod Genius bar for a minute

00:20:52 ◼   ► and they have that on the wall.

00:20:54 ◼   ► And it's really cool.

00:20:58 ◼   ► You should definitely check it out.

00:20:59 ◼   ► It's a bit of a big download.

00:21:00 ◼   ► It's like 600 megs as you may imagine.

00:21:03 ◼   ► It's free, but there is a tip jar.

00:21:05 ◼   ► Definitely donate some to this works.

00:21:08 ◼   ► It is really cool.

00:21:10 ◼   ► - The Tysons Corner one,

00:21:14 ◼   ► Is that the one where Steve Jobs made the video?

00:21:17 ◼   ► - So I don't actually, I think it is.

00:21:21 ◼   ► I don't want to say 100% sure,

00:21:23 ◼   ► but that video that you're talking about

00:21:25 ◼   ► is filmed in a store just like it.

00:21:27 ◼   ► If it's not Tyson Corner,

00:21:28 ◼   ► then it's a mock-up that's basically exactly like it.

00:21:32 ◼   ► - Right, and it could have actually

00:21:33 ◼   ► not even been a real Apple store, right?

00:21:34 ◼   ► - Right, 'cause they, it's in the,

00:21:37 ◼   ► I forget what book it's in,

00:21:40 ◼   ► but there's some book, Apple book,

00:21:41 ◼   ► that's floated around the last couple of years

00:21:44 ◼   ► that they had like a big warehouse

00:21:45 ◼   ► that they mocked the stores up in.

00:21:47 ◼   ► And he would go.

00:21:48 ◼   ► - Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:21:50 ◼   ► - And talk about it.

00:21:51 ◼   ► It was cool.

00:21:54 ◼   ► I'm trying to find that video and see.

00:21:56 ◼   ► I'm gonna say that,

00:21:56 ◼   ► I'm just gonna say yes, he went to Tyson Corner.

00:21:58 ◼   ► - I found a version of this video

00:22:00 ◼   ► that I'll put in the show notes.

00:22:03 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:22:04 ◼   ► - It's a problem with a lot of this stuff gets taken down,

00:22:06 ◼   ► so you may just have to Google it for yourself,

00:22:09 ◼   ► but there's a bunch of options.

00:22:11 ◼   ► It says Tyson's Corner, Virginia.

00:22:13 ◼   ► it says it in the description of this video.

00:22:15 ◼   ► - The story he's walking through

00:22:16 ◼   ► is how the Memphis store looked.

00:22:18 ◼   ► 'Cause the Memphis store was the 20th open,

00:22:21 ◼   ► it was one of the first ones

00:22:22 ◼   ► and it looked just like that for a long time.

00:22:25 ◼   ► And so when I went through that one, I was like,

00:22:27 ◼   ► oh gosh, like I'm back at my job in 2006 and seven.

00:22:31 ◼   ► - You mentioned a book, "Briefer Side."

00:22:34 ◼   ► I started reading "After Steve."

00:22:37 ◼   ► I know that you and David did a MacPauley's special about it

00:22:42 ◼   ► which I'm looking forward to listening to when I'm done.

00:22:44 ◼   ► Two things.

00:22:45 ◼   ► One, I thought it was just about Johnny Ive for some reason.

00:22:47 ◼   ► I don't know why I thought that, but it's not.

00:22:49 ◼   ► I was like, oh, Tim Cook's in here too.

00:22:51 ◼   ► I didn't know that.

00:22:52 ◼   ► I think it's just so much of the focus

00:22:54 ◼   ► before the book came out

00:22:55 ◼   ► seemed to be about the Johnny Ive stuff

00:22:57 ◼   ► and like Johnny Ive leaving and all that kind of stuff.

00:22:59 ◼   ► But I am really enjoying it.

00:23:03 ◼   ► I think it's very interesting and well-written.

00:23:05 ◼   ► I like it.

00:23:07 ◼   ► - The other Apple Store story we wanna talk about,

00:23:09 ◼   ► Myke, you sent this to me this morning.

00:23:10 ◼   ► So when I open this link, it has a little shared by Myke

00:23:13 ◼   ► Boehner at the top.

00:23:15 ◼   ► Tell us about this new London Apple store.

00:23:17 ◼   ► - Yeah, Apple have opened a new store

00:23:19 ◼   ► called Apple Brompton Road.

00:23:22 ◼   ► So it's another, so I think this is now

00:23:23 ◼   ► the third Apple store in London.

00:23:27 ◼   ► This is in the Knightsbridge neighborhood.

00:23:29 ◼   ► It's near Hyde Park.

00:23:30 ◼   ► The kind of the key thing here with this store

00:23:33 ◼   ► is it's near the Harrods department store,

00:23:36 ◼   ► which I expect a lot of people might be

00:23:38 ◼   ► at least familiar with the name.

00:23:40 ◼   ► So it is in an area, a shopping area of London

00:23:43 ◼   ► with a lot of very, very high-end luxury retail.

00:23:47 ◼   ► Like the most expensive of expensive stores

00:23:51 ◼   ► are in this part of London.

00:23:53 ◼   ► I don't know if that's why they've opened a store here,

00:23:56 ◼   ► but they did note in the press release

00:23:58 ◼   ► that this store has 200 employees speaking 45 languages.

00:24:03 ◼   ► - That's cool.

00:24:04 ◼   ► - Now that would be very helpful

00:24:05 ◼   ► for where this store is located,

00:24:07 ◼   ► because people come from all over the world

00:24:10 ◼   ► and shop in Knightsbridge.

00:24:14 ◼   ► So it makes sense to me that they would do that.

00:24:17 ◼   ► And as you can imagine, like any new Apple store,

00:24:22 ◼   ► it is absolutely stunning inside.

00:24:26 ◼   ► I will make a trip to this store at some point.

00:24:29 ◼   ► Like if I'm gonna be in and around that part of London,

00:24:32 ◼   ► I'm gonna go here because it is beautiful.

00:24:37 ◼   ► So it's got like this timber, the curved timber ceiling,

00:24:40 ◼   ► like the roof ceiling.

00:24:42 ◼   ► It looks really beautiful.

00:24:43 ◼   ► It's got that like limestone walls that I've seen in,

00:24:46 ◼   ► especially in a lot of the London stores, they've done this.

00:24:49 ◼   ► And I think that the store that you went to Federico

00:24:52 ◼   ► had a similar kind of stone on the wall.

00:24:55 ◼   ► - Yeah, what's the name of that one?

00:24:56 ◼   ► What was that one?

00:24:58 ◼   ► - Wasn't that the one where they renovated the...

00:25:01 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:25:02 ◼   ► Was it Regent Street?

00:25:05 ◼   ► Was it Regent Street?

00:25:05 ◼   ► I was meaning the one that you went to in Rome was it or in Milan in Rome?

00:25:10 ◼   ► I went to the Regent Street store. I think was the first store that got this kind of yeah outfit to it

00:25:17 ◼   ► Yeah, but it's this beautiful stone and then it also has to write so flooring which is very on trend for right now

00:25:23 ◼   ► Somebody wrote in our document here on fleek you mean hashtag damn Daniel

00:25:28 ◼   ► Yeah, you said on trend and I was just trying to show you how it was you you said damn Daniel

00:25:34 ◼   ► Because we've had this in the past where you don't know what that is.

00:25:36 ◼   ► I do know what it is.

00:25:37 ◼   ► No, he knows what damn dang it is.

00:25:41 ◼   ► And there's a bunch of Sicilian ficus trees, which have those planters on the bottom that

00:25:45 ◼   ► you can sit on, which I think were a great addition to the Apple Store.

00:25:50 ◼   ► Somewhere you can sit.

00:25:51 ◼   ► Because a lot of time you're in the Apple Store, you have to wait for something.

00:25:54 ◼   ► So being able to sit somewhere is really good.

00:25:56 ◼   ► Well they also have those like boxes in the back near the screen with no backs that you

00:26:01 ◼   ► can sit on and be uncomfortable.

00:26:04 ◼   ► Yeah, but sometimes there's things going on there, right?

00:26:07 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:26:07 ◼   ► So like you don't want to go and sit because then you're like being sucked into the presentation.

00:26:13 ◼   ► This is also the first UK store with a pickup area, which...

00:26:17 ◼   ► Mmm, a place to put my truck.

00:26:19 ◼   ► Mmm, yes.

00:26:20 ◼   ► Sure.

00:26:21 ◼   ► Which this is a thing that I thought Apple were just doing during the pandemic, but I

00:26:25 ◼   ► guess it's kind of stuck around now, which is the...

00:26:30 ◼   ► This is basically you can buy things online and pick like you can pick them up in a store,

00:26:34 ◼   ► but instead of needing to flag someone down in the store, you can just go to the pickup

00:26:39 ◼   ► area, which I think is a very good thing to be able to do rather than trying to just like

00:26:44 ◼   ► rugby tackle someone as they're walking by so you can get seen.

00:26:49 ◼   ► This changed during COVID. So for a while, at least here in the US, stores that were

00:26:52 ◼   ► closed because of COVID, some of them had pickup area and it was like a fake storefront

00:26:59 ◼   ► in the front of the store.

00:27:00 ◼   ► So like one person go in,

00:27:01 ◼   ► you could walk about three feet into the building

00:27:03 ◼   ► and then they hand you your stuff through a window.

00:27:05 ◼   ► Now what they're doing, at least in my store

00:27:07 ◼   ► and I think in others, is if you have a pickup,

00:27:09 ◼   ► you get stopped at the door

00:27:10 ◼   ► and you're sort of siphoned off to the side

00:27:13 ◼   ► and they've taken one of the tables along the wall

00:27:16 ◼   ► for pickup.

00:27:18 ◼   ► And so they scan your thing

00:27:19 ◼   ► and a runner goes and gets your iPhone or whatever

00:27:22 ◼   ► and brings it out to you.

00:27:24 ◼   ► So they have adapted this a little bit,

00:27:26 ◼   ► but I really like this idea of a dedicated pickup space

00:27:30 ◼   ► and like how good does that table look?

00:27:32 ◼   ► I mean, I love the way the store looks.

00:27:34 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's a beautiful table.

00:27:35 ◼   ► - It's really cool.

00:27:36 ◼   ► - Yeah, I will pop in there at some point.

00:27:39 ◼   ► - Yeah, pick something up.

00:27:41 ◼   ► You know, pick something up.

00:27:43 ◼   ► And so I hope to see more stores adopt

00:27:47 ◼   ► this sort of style of pickup thing

00:27:49 ◼   ► where it's a little bit of a nicer experience

00:27:51 ◼   ► in being sort of roped off to the side.

00:27:54 ◼   ► I mean, I know not all stores are this big and glamorous,

00:27:56 ◼   ► but all in all, like more people just across the board,

00:28:00 ◼   ► across retail are doing like online shopping

00:28:03 ◼   ► for in-store pickup.

00:28:04 ◼   ► I mean, I feel like every website I've ever visited

00:28:06 ◼   ► in the last two years have offered that to me now.

00:28:09 ◼   ► And hopefully Apple can continue to tweak their stores

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00:30:05 ◼   ► - Just one?

00:30:06 ◼   ► - Like 87.

00:30:08 ◼   ► - That was so good.

00:30:11 ◼   ► - No, that was good.

00:30:12 ◼   ► The M2 MacBook Air that we ordered came in yesterday.

00:30:16 ◼   ► So I haven't had a ton of time with it,

00:30:18 ◼   ► but something very funny happened

00:30:21 ◼   ► basically right after I unboxed it.

00:30:23 ◼   ► So I unboxed it and I had it on Mary's desk in the house

00:30:28 ◼   ► and she's been using an M1 MacBook Air since it came out.

00:30:32 ◼   ► But before that, she was on an Intel MacBook Air

00:30:34 ◼   ► and before that, a 12 inch MacBook.

00:30:37 ◼   ► And before that, the old 11 inch MacBook Air.

00:30:41 ◼   ► So she has been using wedge-shaped computers

00:30:44 ◼   ► for a long time.

00:30:46 ◼   ► And she picked it up and she said, "Why is this so thick?"

00:30:49 ◼   ► And it blew my mind.

00:30:51 ◼   ► I was like, wait, no, it's like super thin and lightweight.

00:30:53 ◼   ► But she was expecting the wedge shape

00:30:55 ◼   ► 'cause she picked it up from the front edge.

00:30:57 ◼   ► And so I sort of like showed her the side

00:30:58 ◼   ► and how it was the same profile all the way through.

00:31:00 ◼   ► Anyways, that just sort of struck me

00:31:02 ◼   ► because we've been talking about the shape change a lot,

00:31:04 ◼   ► but the three of us haven't used a wedge-shaped laptop

00:31:07 ◼   ► as our main notebook for a long, long time.

00:31:10 ◼   ► And it cracked me up that that was her sort of immediate response.

00:31:13 ◼   ► Do you think, is she not into it?

00:31:16 ◼   ► I think she is.

00:31:16 ◼   ► I mean, she basically picked it up and then I took it and, um, brought it out

00:31:20 ◼   ► here to the office and she hasn't spent any time with it, but she also basically

00:31:24 ◼   ► uses her laptop as a desktop, so it's just going to show, you know, be put into

00:31:29 ◼   ► a stand behind her LG ultra fine.

00:31:32 ◼   ► So, uh, we'll see how that goes, but, um, I'm into it.

00:31:35 ◼   ► I think it's really cool.

00:31:36 ◼   ► I transferred stuff from my MacBook Pro to it.

00:31:39 ◼   ► So I'm gonna use it for a couple of weeks

00:31:40 ◼   ► before it becomes hers.

00:31:42 ◼   ► And the thing that struck me, I knew this

00:31:44 ◼   ► 'cause I'd read all the reviews and watched all the reviews,

00:31:46 ◼   ► but when it's closed, it's as thick as the,

00:31:49 ◼   ► just the bottom part of my 14 inch MacBook Pro.

00:31:51 ◼   ► Like it is, I kind of, they're side by side right now

00:31:54 ◼   ► on my desk, they're shocking, it is shockingly thinner.

00:31:56 ◼   ► - One place where you found this out

00:31:58 ◼   ► was when I told you this last week,

00:32:00 ◼   ► I said these words to you last week on the show.

00:32:02 ◼   ► - On the show? - Mm-hmm.

00:32:03 ◼   ► - Like I said, I listen to a lot of Apple podcasts.

00:32:05 ◼   ► I mean, who knows where ideas come from?

00:32:07 ◼   ► - This was just a conversation me and you had, you know?

00:32:09 ◼   ► Like, I mean, it was on the show, but.

00:32:11 ◼   ► That is a great part of it.

00:32:13 ◼   ► I still remain surprised at how it feels to hold.

00:32:18 ◼   ► Like, it feels, this is a bad word, but like,

00:32:22 ◼   ► inconsequential, like it just doesn't really feel like much,

00:32:26 ◼   ► which I really like.

00:32:28 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:32:28 ◼   ► - And, but I am also, I was,

00:32:30 ◼   ► I haven't spent a ton of time using it like a laptop.

00:32:34 ◼   ► Like I've used it mostly as I use my current laptop,

00:32:37 ◼   ► which is plugged into a monitor, right?

00:32:39 ◼   ► But I was doing some stuff last night at home

00:32:43 ◼   ► on the MacBook Air itself, and it still feels so sturdy.

00:32:47 ◼   ► Like it's super thin, but it still feels like,

00:32:51 ◼   ► it's not like the thing is bending or flexing.

00:32:54 ◼   ► Like it is a solid piece of equipment.

00:32:58 ◼   ► - Yeah, I mean, they've really gotten this whole

00:33:01 ◼   ► unibody architecture thing down so well.

00:33:03 ◼   ► and that means they can make something super thin.

00:33:06 ◼   ► I mean, even the 12 inch MacBook felt solid

00:33:09 ◼   ► in a way that it probably shouldn't have.

00:33:11 ◼   ► Like just, you know, if you just like looked

00:33:12 ◼   ► at the specs on paper.

00:33:14 ◼   ► But yeah, it feels great.

00:33:16 ◼   ► And what I like about it immediately

00:33:20 ◼   ► is the difference between the Air and the Pro.

00:33:22 ◼   ► I mean, having them side by side, you know,

00:33:23 ◼   ► 13.6 inches versus 14 inch screen size.

00:33:26 ◼   ► Like it is a little bit smaller.

00:33:28 ◼   ► It's not drastically smaller footprint wise.

00:33:30 ◼   ► The ports, the thinness, the silent operation,

00:33:33 ◼   ► like it lets the MacBook Pro be thicker with more ports

00:33:36 ◼   ► with fans and everything like I like the,

00:33:39 ◼   ► I like that there's more distinguishing features

00:33:41 ◼   ► between the two lines.

00:33:42 ◼   ► I think we spoke about that last week

00:33:43 ◼   ► and having it now here in person,

00:33:45 ◼   ► like it doesn't feel like a light version of my MacBook Pro.

00:33:49 ◼   ► It feels like a MacBook Air,

00:33:51 ◼   ► kind of like the way they used to like back, you know,

00:33:53 ◼   ► in the 2010 MacBook Air era, you know,

00:33:56 ◼   ► the pre retina, the 11 and 13 inch,

00:33:58 ◼   ► that sort of generation of MacBook Air,

00:34:01 ◼   ► how the MacBook Air was like noticeably different

00:34:03 ◼   ► than the MacBook Pro.

00:34:05 ◼   ► And that ultimately meant the demise

00:34:09 ◼   ► of that generation of MacBook Air

00:34:10 ◼   ► 'cause it never got the retina display.

00:34:12 ◼   ► But now it has like almost all the good parts

00:34:15 ◼   ► of the MacBook Pro, but with the trade offs dialed,

00:34:19 ◼   ► you know, a little bit differently

00:34:20 ◼   ► to give you a different experience.

00:34:23 ◼   ► And it's a great little machine.

00:34:25 ◼   ► I mean, I'm gonna finish setting it up this evening

00:34:28 ◼   ► and my plan is to use it as my notebook,

00:34:30 ◼   ► which actually next week, due to uninteresting reasons,

00:34:33 ◼   ► I'm actually going to be on my laptop a good bit.

00:34:35 ◼   ► I'm not going to be in the office very much next week.

00:34:37 ◼   ► And so I expect to put it through my, put it through its paces, uh, in a bigger

00:34:41 ◼   ► way, but so far just, you know, getting it out of the box, setting it up, using it

00:34:45 ◼   ► a little bit, it's, it's a very impressive little machine.

00:34:48 ◼   ► Do you think that you will be tempted to get one?

00:34:51 ◼   ► I am very happy with the 14 inch MacBook pro and I really like having

00:34:56 ◼   ► HDMI and SD card slot.

00:34:58 ◼   ► So I don't think so.

00:34:59 ◼   ► I want to know what kind of user.

00:35:02 ◼   ► What kind of connected listener do you think

00:35:07 ◼   ► should consider this computer instead of a MacBook Pro?

00:35:10 ◼   ► - Honestly, the way I think about this,

00:35:13 ◼   ► and this really, I think, has been true

00:35:14 ◼   ► in the Apple Silicon era,

00:35:16 ◼   ► is your default answer should be the Air

00:35:18 ◼   ► unless you have a specific reason to go to the Pro.

00:35:21 ◼   ► So if you have multi-threaded workflows

00:35:25 ◼   ► that really benefit from the bigger system on a chip

00:35:28 ◼   ► found in the MacBook Pro,

00:35:30 ◼   ► or if you need HDMI and SD card stuff on a regular basis

00:35:35 ◼   ► and you don't want to deal with dongles as much.

00:35:40 ◼   ► I mean, really in the time I've had my MacBook Pro,

00:35:43 ◼   ► I got rid of my big like multi-dongle thing,

00:35:45 ◼   ► I took it out of my bag and I put it in my,

00:35:48 ◼   ► just in the drawer and I just have a couple of USB-C

00:35:51 ◼   ► to A ones in my bag now.

00:35:52 ◼   ► So those sorts of things are nice,

00:35:54 ◼   ► but I think everyone should start with,

00:35:57 ◼   ► does the MacBook Air meet my needs?

00:35:58 ◼   ► And only if you have serious workflow requirements,

00:36:03 ◼   ► do you move up.

00:36:04 ◼   ► And with the M2,

00:36:06 ◼   ► even if that means like editing 4K video occasionally,

00:36:10 ◼   ► I don't think that disqualifies the MacBook Air anymore.

00:36:12 ◼   ► Now, if you're doing really complicated video stuff,

00:36:16 ◼   ► if you're doing a lot of heavy software development,

00:36:18 ◼   ► if you're doing a lot of really complicated audio stuff,

00:36:22 ◼   ► sure, the MacBook Pro is gonna serve you really well.

00:36:25 ◼   ► But that's a pretty small group of people, I think,

00:36:28 ◼   ► out in the real world, and I think especially with the M2,

00:36:32 ◼   ► you get such incredible performance,

00:36:36 ◼   ► then don't go up to the probe unless you really have to.

00:36:39 ◼   ► Myke, you've had yours for, or Apple's now,

00:36:41 ◼   ► for a little bit now.

00:36:44 ◼   ► How have you come along in your decision-making

00:36:47 ◼   ► about getting one for yourself?

00:36:49 ◼   ► - Well, I haven't canceled that order.

00:36:51 ◼   ► - Mm-hmm.

00:36:54 ◼   ► And I'm still in the phase where it's early, right?

00:36:59 ◼   ► Like the earliest I'm gonna get that machine

00:37:01 ◼   ► is like, I think the middle of August.

00:37:05 ◼   ► So I'm still giving,

00:37:07 ◼   ► I need to send this laptop back to Apple next week.

00:37:11 ◼   ► And so my plan is to make my decision before I do that.

00:37:15 ◼   ► I did buy a 12 South Book ark thing.

00:37:21 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah.

00:37:23 ◼   ► which would be for my MacBook Pro

00:37:27 ◼   ► to be permanently plugged into a monitor on my desk.

00:37:31 ◼   ► So I did commit to that part, right?

00:37:34 ◼   ► Because then the idea is the MacBook Pro

00:37:35 ◼   ► becomes the machine that I record and edit on.

00:37:38 ◼   ► So I committed to those $50 or whatever.

00:37:42 ◼   ► At the moment, it's looking really likely

00:37:45 ◼   ► because I very much enjoy this MacBook Air in my bag

00:37:50 ◼   ► every day way more than putting the MacBook Pro

00:37:53 ◼   ► in my bag every day and carrying it around

00:37:56 ◼   ► 'cause it's just like easier, the bag is less full,

00:37:59 ◼   ► it's easier to put my Steam Deck in my backpack

00:38:01 ◼   ► because the Steam Deck in the case is like mammoth.

00:38:05 ◼   ► So I don't know, at the moment I'm leaning towards it.

00:38:10 ◼   ► I still don't feel great about the fact that it's like

00:38:15 ◼   ► that I have nothing to sell to help fund it

00:38:19 ◼   ► But I might just kind of bite the bullet

00:38:21 ◼   ► and commit to not be upgrading again

00:38:24 ◼   ► for another couple of years of either of these laptops

00:38:26 ◼   ► is the plan, if I do it.

00:38:29 ◼   ► - Interesting.

00:38:30 ◼   ► Well, I'm not buying one for anyone

00:38:32 ◼   ► who might be curious about this.

00:38:33 ◼   ► So that's my opinion.

00:38:36 ◼   ► It looks really good.

00:38:37 ◼   ► - You're using a 14 inch MacBook Pro, right?

00:38:39 ◼   ► - Yeah, I'm using that one right now.

00:38:42 ◼   ► I honestly like, it's just so nice to have all this power

00:38:47 ◼   ► and I love my chunky computer, you know?

00:38:51 ◼   ► - Yeah, but you're not moving it around, right?

00:38:54 ◼   ► This is the thing of like, I'm taking it--

00:38:55 ◼   ► - No, that's the thing.

00:38:56 ◼   ► - Or like it's in my backpack all the time.

00:38:59 ◼   ► And so I kind of want the smallest,

00:39:01 ◼   ► lightest computer for that,

00:39:03 ◼   ► but still being able to take advantage of the power

00:39:06 ◼   ► of my MacBook Pro in the thing that I need it the most for.

00:39:11 ◼   ► 'Cause like the thing that I need the most power for,

00:39:15 ◼   ► I'm currently using an M1 iMac with 16 gigabytes of RAM for that.

00:39:19 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:39:20 ◼   ► So I think that this will allow for a more logical reshifting of the computers

00:39:24 ◼   ► that I have,

00:39:25 ◼   ► but I do feel like three computers is too many computers for one man to have.

00:39:29 ◼   ► Yeah. I mean, I've got a little bit of that too.

00:39:31 ◼   ► Like I've got the Mac studio and that's my machine 98% of the time.

00:39:36 ◼   ► Like I could get away easily with a MacBook Air. I think as my notebook,

00:39:40 ◼   ► I got the 14 inch MacBook Pro and really love it. But like if I, if it,

00:39:45 ◼   ► Like say that it got destroyed or lost or stolen

00:39:49 ◼   ► or something like, I don't know if I'd replace it

00:39:51 ◼   ► with a MacBook Pro again.

00:39:54 ◼   ► - So we do have beta four of iOS and iPadOS 16

00:39:58 ◼   ► and all the other OS's, Ventura, watchOS, HomePod

00:40:01 ◼   ► and whatever, all the other stuff that we don't care about.

00:40:03 ◼   ► - TVOS baby.

00:40:05 ◼   ► - TVOS, so there's a few things I wanna touch upon,

00:40:07 ◼   ► a few changes that I've noticed

00:40:09 ◼   ► that I wanna cover in here.

00:40:11 ◼   ► So there's now an official developer documentation

00:40:14 ◼   ► for the live activities.

00:40:17 ◼   ► That's the special notifications that will go live later

00:40:20 ◼   ► this year, not as part of iOS 16.

00:40:23 ◼   ► That's the stuff for real-time updates, basically,

00:40:27 ◼   ► that they showed off at WWDC for Uber and sports apps.

00:40:30 ◼   ► You want to keep track of the game.

00:40:31 ◼   ► Want to keep track of your food delivery order, whatever.

00:40:36 ◼   ► There's now an official API and documentation for developers.

00:40:40 ◼   ► So if you're interested in building for that,

00:40:43 ◼   ► I believe it's called Activity Kit.

00:40:44 ◼   ► So go check it out, there's documentation now.

00:40:47 ◼   ► Some interesting changes to iMessage

00:40:51 ◼   ► when it comes to the two features

00:40:56 ◼   ► arguably that Apple is kind of copying from WhatsApp this year.

00:41:00 ◼   ► So unsending and editing messages.

00:41:03 ◼   ► There's a couple of changes in here worth noting.

00:41:07 ◼   ► Now you can unsend a message for up to two minutes

00:41:13 ◼   ► after sending it.

00:41:15 ◼   ► I believe they took this down from 15 minutes, right?

00:41:18 ◼   ► Used to be 15 minutes.

00:41:20 ◼   ► - I thought that meant it was more time.

00:41:22 ◼   ► - Am I mistaken?

00:41:24 ◼   ► Am I mistaken?

00:41:25 ◼   ► - No, I think you might be right.

00:41:26 ◼   ► I think you might be right.

00:41:27 ◼   ► - You can still edit for up to 15 minutes,

00:41:32 ◼   ► but now you can only unsend for up to two minutes.

00:41:36 ◼   ► So that's the change in this week's beta.

00:41:39 ◼   ► And you can still edit for 15 minutes.

00:41:41 ◼   ► For edits-- now, this is a fascinating change

00:41:44 ◼   ► that Apple is making here.

00:41:46 ◼   ► For edits, you can make up to five edits for any given

00:41:51 ◼   ► message, and the recipients will see a record of all the edits

00:41:57 ◼   ► in the message.

00:41:58 ◼   ► So there's a new--

00:42:00 ◼   ► if you-- and I just tried this with a group chat that we have.

00:42:04 ◼   ► If you edit a message, there's a new edited button.

00:42:08 ◼   ► You can tap that, and it'll show you

00:42:09 ◼   ► log of all the previous versions of the message.

00:42:14 ◼   ► And looks like you guys are also making these edits, and I can tap on...

00:42:18 ◼   ► Yeah, I want to see it now.

00:42:20 ◼   ► You can see that.

00:42:21 ◼   ► Oh, yeah, look at that.

00:42:22 ◼   ► Yeah, you can see the log.

00:42:23 ◼   ► You get little ghost messages.

00:42:24 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah.

00:42:25 ◼   ► So once again, Apple has done this better than Twitter, but that's a different conversation.

00:42:31 ◼   ► Anyway, and lastly, I also wanted to cover, well, first of all, sadly,

00:42:37 ◼   ► doesn't look like there's any changes on the iPadOS side of things.

00:42:41 ◼   ► And I can actually tell you that one of the requests that I filed for Stage Manager,

00:42:48 ◼   ► specifically the option to transfer an entire workspace of apps to an external display.

00:42:56 ◼   ► So the idea of taking three, four apps on your iPad and clicking a button or pressing a hotkey

00:43:03 ◼   ► to say move all of this at once to an external display.

00:43:08 ◼   ► My request was denied because I got a response from the feedback app

00:43:13 ◼   ► saying we decided not to pursue or whatever this feature right now.

00:43:17 ◼   ► So, you know, sad trombone. But yeah, that's...

00:43:20 ◼   ► Federico who? Am I right? You know what I'm saying?

00:43:23 ◼   ► I like being a carer with that guy.

00:43:25 ◼   ► We don't care about that guy.

00:43:27 ◼   ► That's what you get for not going to WWDC, you know?

00:43:30 ◼   ► I know. I know. I know.

00:43:31 ◼   ► I deserve it, I deserve it.

00:43:33 ◼   ► You don't care, we don't care.

00:43:35 ◼   ► And for Mail, they also brought some changes for the undo send feature.

00:43:42 ◼   ► Now you can turn that on or off in settings and you can set the duration for the undo send time.

00:43:49 ◼   ► And I believe you can also turn on and off the follow-up preference in settings.

00:43:56 ◼   ► So if you want to be reminded to follow up in some messages and you don't care about following up

00:44:00 ◼   ► up in other people you can turn that off in settings. You know you've reminded me

00:44:04 ◼   ► of something about mail which I just think is so ridiculous that schedule

00:44:08 ◼   ► send thing that the computer has to be on for that to work. Yeah. Yeah. I just I

00:44:14 ◼   ► know why like because of the way that Apple does things etc etc why that's the

00:44:18 ◼   ► case but like why would you use that feature like you I don't know it just

00:44:24 ◼   ► seems so silly to me like I mean also I would just say like maybe this is just a

00:44:28 ◼   ► thing. I don't even, I don't, I know why people do it.

00:44:31 ◼   ► I don't understand why people do it. Like if you do in the email,

00:44:34 ◼   ► just send the email like you do in the email to send it.

00:44:39 ◼   ► But I guess, but that's just me.

00:44:42 ◼   ► I know that different people like to do things different ways of wise.

00:44:45 ◼   ► These features wouldn't exist, but.

00:44:46 ◼   ► There's, there's also an update in settings notifications.

00:44:50 ◼   ► I spoke last time about the stacking versus list,

00:44:53 ◼   ► and now there's a little drawing showing you what they look like.

00:44:58 ◼   ► Yeah, we thought this would happen, right?

00:45:00 ◼   ► Because it was just very strange to be like,

00:45:02 ◼   ► here are these three things you've never heard of before.

00:45:05 ◼   ► You work it out.

00:45:06 ◼   ► Yeah, and I'm back on, as a follow-up from last week,

00:45:09 ◼   ► I am back on ListView.

00:45:11 ◼   ► I just kind of got tired of losing things to the ether

00:45:14 ◼   ► and the background of the stack.

00:45:16 ◼   ► So ListView for me.

00:45:18 ◼   ► You're gonna upset the count.

00:45:20 ◼   ► Wait, did you stop the count?

00:45:24 ◼   ► Is that what you did?

00:45:26 ◼   ► Wow. Oh my god, Myke. I just got it. Oh my god. That's like an- that's very bad and perfect at the same time.

00:45:36 ◼   ► That's what I was going for, you know?

00:45:38 ◼   ► I- I hate it and I love it.

00:45:41 ◼   ► You know what? Just hold a news conference outside of lawn care company and talk about it.

00:45:45 ◼   ► What a wild time to be alive, you know? What a time to be alive.

00:45:50 ◼   ► Oh god.

00:45:52 ◼   ► I wonder if this beta will make my phone less hot.

00:45:54 ◼   ► My phone gets so hot right now.

00:45:57 ◼   ► Like if sometimes it like it hurts to hold my iPhone.

00:46:00 ◼   ► Oh, oh, gosh. Mine's not that bad.

00:46:03 ◼   ► Well, I don't use a case.

00:46:04 ◼   ► Oh, yeah. I guess the leather is absorbing some heat for me.

00:46:07 ◼   ► I'm getting like complete, you know,

00:46:10 ◼   ► I'm getting complete like phone to skin transfer.

00:46:15 ◼   ► It's very hot.

00:46:15 ◼   ► I'm running the watchOS beta 2.

00:46:19 ◼   ► I don't see an update for that yet.

00:46:20 ◼   ► But other than a couple of days where the battery life's been kind of bad,

00:46:24 ◼   ► it's been totally fine.

00:46:26 ◼   ► And I really like the new some of the new workout stuff,

00:46:29 ◼   ► like some of the new split views and stuff when you're on a walk or run

00:46:33 ◼   ► are pretty nice.

00:46:34 ◼   ► It's it's mostly good stuff this year so far, I think.

00:46:37 ◼   ► I've held off on the watch.

00:46:39 ◼   ► I'm still holding off on the watch, but I was nervous about doing it

00:46:42 ◼   ► because it's is it still impossible to undo?

00:46:45 ◼   ► I think it is.

00:46:47 ◼   ► But I was I've been pleasantly surprised with it.

00:46:49 ◼   ► Is it impossible to undo?

00:46:51 ◼   ► It used to be. I don't know about anymore.

00:46:54 ◼   ► Stage Manager feels like smoother to rearrange stuff.

00:46:59 ◼   ► Snappier.

00:47:00 ◼   ► To me on my iPad. Snappier. Like Safari snappier.

00:47:02 ◼   ► But...

00:47:04 ◼   ► Feel snappier?

00:47:05 ◼   ► Yeah, there isn't really. They've still got that thing where like if you try and add another

00:47:09 ◼   ► window and it's like "later on this is coming later, stop asking! Leave me alone!"

00:47:15 ◼   ► "No, you gotta use drag and drop for now!"

00:47:18 ◼   ► Don't do this.

00:47:20 ◼   ► Please stop.

00:47:21 ◼   ► Why would you click that button, man?

00:47:23 ◼   ► Come on, don't do this.

00:47:25 ◼   ► What I think they've done with Stage Manager is there may be,

00:47:29 ◼   ► when you mention it's smoother,

00:47:31 ◼   ► I think what they've done is they're making some adjustments

00:47:34 ◼   ► in terms of when you remove an app from the stage,

00:47:39 ◼   ► they recenter the only one app left.

00:47:43 ◼   ► And I think that's a little bit smoother than before.

00:47:45 ◼   ► And that makes sense, right?

00:47:46 ◼   ► because if I'm removing stuff from the workspace and I'm left with just one app,

00:47:52 ◼   ► it's fine if you want to zoom it and center it on screen.

00:47:55 ◼   ► I think that part is a little bit smoother.

00:47:57 ◼   ► I don't see any new keyboard shortcuts, I don't see any particular new gestures,

00:48:01 ◼   ► but I agree, it does feel, based on these five minutes that I play with it,

00:48:05 ◼   ► it does seem a bit more fluid.

00:48:08 ◼   ► How many apps can you have on a stage?

00:48:11 ◼   ► Four.

00:48:12 ◼   ► It's just for I wondered if it was a limit of the iPad

00:48:15 ◼   ► No, it's up to four on the iPad and another four on the display so you can do up to eight in

00:48:22 ◼   ► In theory, but that's you know four on the iPad four under display my my rule-breaking

00:48:27 ◼   ► iPad because I have the 64 gigabyte no memory swap iPad of which stage manager runs perfectly fine on

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00:50:04 ◼   ► Man, I was just I wanted to try you guys so hard just now

00:50:07 ◼   ► But I thought it wasn't fair to the passionate ones because I wanted to ask the question

00:50:12 ◼   ► Do you have either of you ever or do you currently track your sleep?

00:50:17 ◼   ► And I've thought it would be fun to pose that as a quiz question

00:50:20 ◼   ► That felt unfair, you know, like it was I wanted to troll you

00:50:27 ◼   ► I don't want to troll every listener by letting them think the quiz is about to begin

00:50:31 ◼   ► The quiz is not about to begin, but I would like to know, have either of you ever tracked

00:50:37 ◼   ► your sleep?

00:50:38 ◼   ► I have.

00:50:40 ◼   ► I've done it.

00:50:41 ◼   ► Do you currently?

00:50:42 ◼   ► No, I do not.

00:50:44 ◼   ► Why?

00:50:45 ◼   ► Because I, because everything, my life is very complicated right now and there's no,

00:50:51 ◼   ► I just, I have to wake up early.

00:50:55 ◼   ► So honestly, I've kind of settled on an…

00:51:00 ◼   ► I think I've gotten better at knowing when I gotta go to sleep and I think the change

00:51:08 ◼   ► is that I've become an alarm clock person.

00:51:11 ◼   ► It used to be, you know, many, many years ago you guys used to make fun of the fact

00:51:15 ◼   ► that Sylvia would wake me up in the morning with a cup of coffee and now I just…

00:51:22 ◼   ► Maybe I'm a bit more responsible.

00:51:23 ◼   ► I set an alarm and I wake up when the alarm goes off.

00:51:28 ◼   ► And so now I think I have a pretty good sense of when I'm supposed to go to sleep

00:51:31 ◼   ► and I get my six hours, six and a half hours of sleep, and I'm fine,

00:51:35 ◼   ► and I'm good for the day.

00:51:37 ◼   ► And I just feel like I don't need to anymore.

00:51:39 ◼   ► I feel like the tracking gave me a framework.

00:51:45 ◼   ► Like, it helped me build the structure years ago.

00:51:50 ◼   ► And there's still the occasional like, "Oh, shoot, it's 5 a.m."

00:51:54 ◼   ► and I just stayed up binging a TV show or playing a video game.

00:51:58 ◼   ► But that hasn't happened in a while.

00:52:00 ◼   ► And I just know that, you know, because I have commitments in the early morning,

00:52:05 ◼   ► I'm just, uh...

00:52:06 ◼   ► I don't track my sleep because I know when I need to wake up anyway.

00:52:10 ◼   ► So what do you mean it gave you a framework, though?

00:52:12 ◼   ► Like, I'm interested to see, like, what did you feel like you gained from it?

00:52:16 ◼   ► Yeah, so I feel like when I used to do it,

00:52:19 ◼   ► First of all, it helped me understand I have this sort of hard limit in my body, I guess,

00:52:28 ◼   ► where if I sleep less than six hours, I'm not going to have a good time in the morning.

00:52:33 ◼   ► Like, that's like my ideal threshold.

00:52:37 ◼   ► Like six hours is okay, seven hours you can do it.

00:52:42 ◼   ► I go under six hours, I'm going to have a bad time.

00:52:46 ◼   ► I go over seven hours, I'm also going to have a bad time because I'm going to feel groggy

00:52:51 ◼   ► the whole...yeah, if I sleep too much, not great.

00:52:54 ◼   ► Oh, interesting.

00:52:55 ◼   ► I guess that happens when you get older, you know, you can sleep less, but if you sleep

00:53:00 ◼   ► more then you also feel that.

00:53:03 ◼   ► There's the...like again, there's the occasional time where I'm super exhausted the night before

00:53:10 ◼   ► and I can sleep eight hours, but that's like twice a year, I think.

00:53:16 ◼   ► But ideally, you know, in between six and seven hours is my ideal state.

00:53:24 ◼   ► And that's the sort of discovery that I made by tracking my sleep years ago.

00:53:30 ◼   ► We're talking like four or five years ago.

00:53:33 ◼   ► And honestly, and this is also kind of weird,

00:53:36 ◼   ► I, at the time, I, like, there was one time when I turned 30,

00:53:42 ◼   ► when I really felt my body change,

00:53:47 ◼   ► like, sort of, I don't know, but it felt like I,

00:53:50 ◼   ► I remember distinctly, like, a week that I, I don't know,

00:53:55 ◼   ► I started feeling different from before.

00:53:58 ◼   ► I was like, "Hmm, I guess I'm growing older now,

00:54:02 ◼   ► and I can feel it."

00:54:02 ◼   ► And, yeah, that's when I, you know,

00:54:05 ◼   ► started with sleep tracking, taking account of those numbers,

00:54:12 ◼   ► and understanding, okay, the day that I slept five hours,

00:54:14 ◼   ► I can see that I don't feel so great.

00:54:17 ◼   ► The day that I got a good six and a half hours, I'm feeling pretty good.

00:54:21 ◼   ► And you do that for enough months, you start seeing a pattern in there.

00:54:26 ◼   ► And so now I know, if I need to wake up at 9.30,

00:54:29 ◼   ► I better go to sleep at 3.30 or something,

00:54:32 ◼   ► because otherwise I'm not going to have a good time in the morning.

00:54:34 ◼   ► So that was useful to sort of understand.

00:54:37 ◼   ► What did you use to do it?

00:54:40 ◼   ► Mmm. Mmm. Not the Apple solution, I'll tell you that.

00:54:44 ◼   ► [Laughter]

00:54:45 ◼   ► Because the—so I'm very confused by the Apple way of doing things,

00:54:50 ◼   ► because when I did it years ago, it wanted to—

00:54:54 ◼   ► like, I really disliked the setting a schedule,

00:54:58 ◼   ► because that's the thing. I don't want to set a schedule.

00:55:01 ◼   ► I just want to know, like, I'm setting the alarm for the morning, each night in the clock app.

00:55:07 ◼   ► That's what I want to do. And then I sort of, I want to self-regulate, if you wish, like,

00:55:13 ◼   ► I'm setting the alarm and I know when I gotta go to sleep. Apple wanted me to have like a schedule

00:55:19 ◼   ► for every day of the week. Yeah, like, you go to sleep at this time or wake up at this time.

00:55:23 ◼   ► It's like, no, life doesn't really work like that. Exactly. It feels like, I don't know,

00:55:28 ◼   ► I don't know if things have changed in the meantime,

00:55:30 ◼   ► but it felt like a feature designed for people who go to the office every morning

00:55:34 ◼   ► and who commute at a specific time every morning.

00:55:37 ◼   ► Which, hey, is the right way to build that tool, right?

00:55:40 ◼   ► Because that is the majority of the world.

00:55:42 ◼   ► They have a schedule.

00:55:44 ◼   ► Exactly.

00:55:45 ◼   ► But that's never been my case.

00:55:48 ◼   ► And so when I used to be really into sleep tracking,

00:55:51 ◼   ► I used AutoSleep, the Apple Watch app,

00:55:55 ◼   ► excellent Apple Watch app that gave me just the information I needed.

00:55:59 ◼   ► I set my alarm in the clock app and then I wore my Apple Watch to bed

00:56:03 ◼   ► and when I woke up in the morning, it understood that I had waken up

00:56:07 ◼   ► and it gave me the report and that's all I needed.

00:56:09 ◼   ► Do you have to tell the app you're going to sleep?

00:56:11 ◼   ► Nope. Nope, you don't.

00:56:13 ◼   ► That's probably the auto, in auto sleep, right? There it is.

00:56:16 ◼   ► Yeah, it's not called auto because of cars, it's called auto because it's automatic.

00:56:21 ◼   ► Sleep auto.

00:56:22 ◼   ► Yeah, so that's my story.

00:56:25 ◼   ► So with apples, do you have to say like, "Hey, watch, I'm going to bed now"?

00:56:29 ◼   ► Yeah, again, I haven't tried it in the past year or so,

00:56:34 ◼   ► but that's the way it was supposed to work years ago.

00:56:37 ◼   ► Like, you got these bedtime reminders and you were supposed to...

00:56:41 ◼   ► Yeah, I'm looking at the K-BASE article now.

00:56:43 ◼   ► And you were like, "Yeah, I'm going to sleep now."

00:56:44 ◼   ► I don't want to do that.

00:56:45 ◼   ► So many, like, most of my going to sleep, like, the way that it works for me now

00:56:51 ◼   ► is I fall asleep watching a YouTube video,

00:56:54 ◼   ► like, or playing a video game.

00:56:55 ◼   ► And when I'm realizing that I'm drifting off,

00:56:58 ◼   ► I either put the switch to bed real quick

00:57:00 ◼   ► and I set it aside on the nightstand,

00:57:02 ◼   ► or I search for the TV remote, and I turn off the TV,

00:57:07 ◼   ► and I turn on my side, and I go to sleep.

00:57:09 ◼   ► Like, I recognize, okay, I'm drifting off.

00:57:11 ◼   ► I better turn off the thing and go to sleep.

00:57:13 ◼   ► That's how I do it.

00:57:14 ◼   ► I set the alarm before,

00:57:17 ◼   ► and I don't want to press any buttons.

00:57:19 ◼   ► I don't want to have any interactions.

00:57:20 ◼   ► I don't want to say, "Hey computer, I'm going to sleep."

00:57:23 ◼   ► Because when I'm going to sleep, it's too hard for me to have any complex interactions

00:57:27 ◼   ► with the display.

00:57:28 ◼   ► Steven, do you ever do any of this?

00:57:30 ◼   ► Wow, I didn't realize I had all these things.

00:57:33 ◼   ► I don't use Apple's thing for the same reasons y'all talked about.

00:57:37 ◼   ► It's too rigid for what I want.

00:57:40 ◼   ► I do have Sleep++ from our friend_ installed in my phone and watch, but I don't sleep track

00:57:49 ◼   ► at night, mainly because I don't like wearing my watch to bed. And that's a bummer. I mean,

00:57:56 ◼   ► it captures naps because I'm not, you know, I could fall asleep like in an afternoon.

00:58:00 ◼   ► So I can tell you on Saturday, July 2nd, I had a two hour nap from 1 to 3pm. It's pretty

00:58:08 ◼   ► good. It's something that I've done. I did years ago and someone in the discord, forgive

00:58:14 ◼   ► me, I can't find it now. But someone in the discourse like I don't know what to do with

00:58:17 ◼   ► the data except I know that I need to sleep more and that's kind of how I feel

00:58:22 ◼   ► about it. This is why I've never done it so this is why I want because I know I

00:58:26 ◼   ► remembered Federico done it for longer and so like I wanted to hear what

00:58:29 ◼   ► Federico just said really about like I did it for a period of time learn some

00:58:33 ◼   ► stuff and stuff yes because I've always felt this way of like what am I supposed

00:58:37 ◼   ► to do with this now the reason I'm asking today Stephen carry on with

00:58:42 ◼   ► stories right now okay I'll get back to that sorry no I mean that's pretty much

00:58:46 ◼   ► I'll have to say like I I get pretty decent amount of sleep now

00:58:51 ◼   ► I don't sleep particularly well and like I kind of know that and I've tried some things to help it over the years

00:58:57 ◼   ► But I don't know like I don't have a goal in mind for this data to work to like it's different

00:59:03 ◼   ► You know wearing my Apple watch every day and like trying to close my rings like I have goals in terms of that

00:59:08 ◼   ► but the sleep thing never really like jumped out at me is something that I wanted to

00:59:13 ◼   ► dive into but I want to hear what what why you're thinking about it, so I

00:59:17 ◼   ► Have made the decision has been suggested to me that I should stop

00:59:23 ◼   ► Looking at my iPhone in bed. Hmm, right just like put the phone like when I'm in bed no more iPhone

00:59:31 ◼   ► It's a good is a good idea, right?

00:59:34 ◼   ► I just would sit I would go to bed and then I'll be on my iPhone

00:59:37 ◼   ► I could be doing whatever I'm doing kind of like Federico's doing watching videos

00:59:42 ◼   ► usually, but I could be doing anything on Instagram, like whatever.

00:59:45 ◼   ► And so like I'm stopping that.

00:59:48 ◼   ► And what I'm doing instead is listening to audio books.

00:59:51 ◼   ► So the book that I mentioned earlier,

00:59:53 ◼   ► the After Steven, I'm just listening to the audio book.

00:59:56 ◼   ► And I've been putting that on at night,

00:59:57 ◼   ► put on a little sleep timer,

00:59:59 ◼   ► and I'm usually asleep before the sleep timer's done.

01:00:01 ◼   ► And then the next day I have to try and find where I was in the book.

01:00:03 ◼   ► But like whatever, it's like, it's doing the job.

01:00:06 ◼   ► So like a couple of things happen.

01:00:08 ◼   ► One was I set up a sleep focus mode.

01:00:11 ◼   ► so I could have a specific home screen that got rid of the apps that I shouldn't be checking

01:00:15 ◼   ► when I'm in bed and put the audiobook app, like the audible app on my home screen, right?

01:00:20 ◼   ► So it's just right there for me.

01:00:22 ◼   ► And there's also a sleep widget, which I think only exists in the sleep focus mode, which

01:00:26 ◼   ► I'm very intrigued how that's the case.

01:00:29 ◼   ► Hmm.

01:00:30 ◼   ► Right?

01:00:31 ◼   ► Like, am I wrong here?

01:00:32 ◼   ► Like I couldn't seem to find this like sleep widget, but there is a sleep widget.

01:00:37 ◼   ► I don't see it.

01:00:38 ◼   ► Right.

01:00:39 ◼   ► But on...

01:00:40 ◼   ► it is in iowa 16 but it's not the same one i don't understand is there's like there's like a widget

01:00:46 ◼   ► that appears on the sleep that i can't seem to replicate anyway anyway maybe i'm wrong i don't

01:00:52 ◼   ► know whatever it's not important for the story and so in doing that like i just was like oh i'll

01:00:57 ◼   ► get to set it up like with the times but no alarm so like during that time my iphone's also doing the

01:01:03 ◼   ► thing where it like the screen goes dark and like which i actually kind of like because it's like

01:01:09 ◼   ► reminding me like, "Stop looking now."

01:01:12 ◼   ► So, and that's, I can kind of set that

01:01:14 ◼   ► within a regular time parameter,

01:01:15 ◼   ► even though I'm not going to sleep

01:01:16 ◼   ► at the same time every day.

01:01:18 ◼   ► And so one of the things that's happened to me

01:01:20 ◼   ► is I'm going to bed and then I would usually be up

01:01:23 ◼   ► for like maybe an hour, maybe more,

01:01:26 ◼   ► like just in bed, just like doing whatever.

01:01:28 ◼   ► But listening to the book, I'm falling asleep.

01:01:31 ◼   ► And that means I'm falling asleep sooner

01:01:33 ◼   ► than I would have fallen asleep before.

01:01:35 ◼   ► So like anywhere between 30 to 90 minutes earlier

01:01:40 ◼   ► than I would have otherwise.

01:01:41 ◼   ► So I'm getting more sleep

01:01:43 ◼   ► and I actually feel better in the morning.

01:01:45 ◼   ► And so it's maybe for the first time in my life

01:01:49 ◼   ► where I'm like, okay, so something's happened here.

01:01:53 ◼   ► Maybe some information about this would be good.

01:01:56 ◼   ► Now I don't know how useful it is

01:01:58 ◼   ► without not having the information before,

01:02:00 ◼   ► like it would be more helpful, right,

01:02:02 ◼   ► if I was tracking before I was doing this.

01:02:04 ◼   ► And then after I started doing this,

01:02:06 ◼   ► so I'd have some comparisons to make,

01:02:08 ◼   ► but it just made me wonder if like the two of you

01:02:10 ◼   ► had ever done it.

01:02:10 ◼   ► Cause I'm not decided on it because ultimately

01:02:13 ◼   ► I actually don't think I want to wear my Apple watch

01:02:15 ◼   ► in bed like that's the problem.

01:02:18 ◼   ► It's too big of a watch.

01:02:19 ◼   ► And I wouldn't want to wear the leather watch band

01:02:22 ◼   ► that I wear.

01:02:23 ◼   ► So then I have to be changing the watch band every day.

01:02:25 ◼   ► It's like a whole thing.

01:02:26 ◼   ► - Day watch, night watch.

01:02:28 ◼   ► - I don't want to do that.

01:02:30 ◼   ► That's for sure.

01:02:31 ◼   ► - There's so there is a setting.

01:02:33 ◼   ► it's in health under sleep.

01:02:36 ◼   ► There is called track time in bed with iPhone.

01:02:39 ◼   ► And it says health can give you a better understanding

01:02:43 ◼   ► of your sleep patterns by using your sleep schedule.

01:02:45 ◼   ► So you have to have that set up and analyzing

01:02:47 ◼   ► when you pick up and use your iPhone during the night.

01:02:50 ◼   ► So I guess that's like kind of a thing.

01:02:52 ◼   ► - I mean, but all that's gonna do is just tell me hours,

01:02:57 ◼   ► right? Like at least with the watch,

01:02:59 ◼   ► I get some kind of idea of like movement.

01:03:01 ◼   ► and if I'm like, you know what I mean?

01:03:04 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:03:05 ◼   ► - Like if I'm disturbed at night and stuff like that.

01:03:07 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:03:08 ◼   ► - 'Cause like I have it, it's telling me

01:03:10 ◼   ► that I had seven hours and 21 minutes of in bedtime.

01:03:14 ◼   ► - Right, but that doesn't mean you're asleep

01:03:16 ◼   ► where the watch would know that a little bit better.

01:03:18 ◼   ► - Exactly, and so, yeah, I'm not really sure.

01:03:22 ◼   ► I don't really, I just haven't decided.

01:03:26 ◼   ► I just wanted to see what you two thought about it.

01:03:28 ◼   ► But this is the first time I've ever felt like,

01:03:31 ◼   ► Like I maybe wanted to do something like this.

01:03:33 ◼   ► - Have you considered the Bed-It product that Apple makes?

01:03:38 ◼   ► Or they bought and own and still sell for some reason?

01:03:41 ◼   ► - I mean, I'm aware that these things exist, yeah.

01:03:45 ◼   ► - I just wonder if that would be like,

01:03:47 ◼   ► 'cause you had it under your seat,

01:03:48 ◼   ► just on your side of the bed,

01:03:51 ◼   ► and maybe it would be enough information to help?

01:03:56 ◼   ► I don't know.

01:03:58 ◼   ► - Can you still get it?

01:04:00 ◼   ► - Let's see.

01:04:00 ◼   ► I mean, there's still a website and you can still get the app, but...

01:04:04 ◼   ► Yeah, can you buy the thing?

01:04:05 ◼   ► There is nothing that suggests you can buy it anywhere.

01:04:08 ◼   ► I mean, look on the Apple Store.

01:04:10 ◼   ► It's spelled "Bet-It" like Reddit with a "B", which is fine.

01:04:12 ◼   ► Mm-hmm.

01:04:13 ◼   ► Wow, I'm not sure you can still buy it.

01:04:16 ◼   ► There you go.

01:04:17 ◼   ► It's the end of that then, I suppose.

01:04:18 ◼   ► Yeah, I don't know.

01:04:19 ◼   ► I'm just, I'm just trying, I'm in like the information gathering phase with this one.

01:04:26 ◼   ► I have noticed a little difference and I'm enjoying listening to audiobooks at night.

01:04:32 ◼   ► I'm searching eBay for "Bet It". Maybe you're gonna find a nice used one.

01:04:36 ◼   ► Definitely don't want that.

01:04:38 ◼   ► Oh no, you can buy it on Apple's, like on the Apple Store.

01:04:42 ◼   ► Oh, and you can't hear. I searched for it and it doesn't come up.

01:04:45 ◼   ► It's £150, USB-A.

01:04:48 ◼   ► I think you should try it and report back.

01:04:50 ◼   ► I don't know if I want this. Really? I don't know if I want it.

01:04:54 ◼   ► Where does the data even go?

01:04:55 ◼   ► - Into the Betit app, and then I would imagine into health.

01:05:00 ◼   ► - Does anyone know the answers to these questions?

01:05:02 ◼   ► - I just answered it, it's in the app.

01:05:04 ◼   ► - No, do you know it works in health?

01:05:08 ◼   ► - Let's see, Betit, Apple.

01:05:11 ◼   ► - Real time follow up from Jason Snow in the Slack chat.

01:05:15 ◼   ► I have a Betit.

01:05:17 ◼   ► - Cool.

01:05:18 ◼   ► - It does pair with the iPhone with Bluetooth

01:05:21 ◼   ► and goes to health.

01:05:22 ◼   ► - There we go.

01:05:23 ◼   ► Jason, do you like it though?

01:05:25 ◼   ► Like, all you've just told me is you have it.

01:05:28 ◼   ► - Could you Big Apple Buddy it to Myke?

01:05:30 ◼   ► - No, I can buy it.

01:05:32 ◼   ► Like it is available for me to buy.

01:05:34 ◼   ► I could get it tomorrow if I wanted to.

01:05:37 ◼   ► Jason did not stick with it.

01:05:38 ◼   ► - Say go.

01:05:39 ◼   ► - I'm not gonna spend 150 pounds on it.

01:05:41 ◼   ► - Well, maybe try the watch thing for like a week to see.

01:05:44 ◼   ► - Yeah, that's my advice.

01:05:45 ◼   ► I think like, I guess my question would be,

01:05:49 ◼   ► what are you looking for?

01:05:51 ◼   ► - I don't know.

01:05:52 ◼   ► - Mm-hmm. Like, because when I was doing it, I had a clear question.

01:05:58 ◼   ► And my question was, how much sleep do I need? - Yeah.

01:06:02 ◼   ► - But your question might be different. So I think you should start from the question.

01:06:06 ◼   ► - Well, the question is, is this useful? That's the question. Like, I've always asked this about sleep tracking.

01:06:13 ◼   ► It's like, I don't know if this is a useful thing. And I actually think now I have potentially missed the useful window for me.

01:06:20 ◼   ► Do you feel like you have a problem with your sleep right now?

01:06:23 ◼   ► Like when you wake up are you feeling tired like right there in the morning?

01:06:27 ◼   ► No, as I said I feel better now in the past week than I did before because I'm getting a little bit more sleep.

01:06:32 ◼   ► But like my problem is with sleep is I always feel like I could have more and I've been like this since I was a teenager.

01:06:41 ◼   ► I could sleep for 12 hours and I still feel like I would need more sleep.

01:06:44 ◼   ► like I've always kind of been that way but I am waking up at least this past week or

01:06:49 ◼   ► so feeling a little bit better I think it's because I'm getting to a little bit more sleep

01:06:53 ◼   ► I think it would have been more useful for me if I would have been sleep tracking prior

01:06:57 ◼   ► to starting this new thing that I'm doing to see if that makes a difference yeah I don't

01:07:02 ◼   ► know I just wanted to get this information I don't know if I'm gonna do anything about

01:07:05 ◼   ► this I might try it just to see if step one I don't mind sleeping with the Apple watch

01:07:11 ◼   ► on I actually think probably not right now plus it's still really warm at home

01:07:16 ◼   ► and so I don't know if I want to sleep with the Apple watch on. Our home has not

01:07:22 ◼   ► cooled down since the heat wave it's just like retaining all the heat it's

01:07:25 ◼   ► still like 29 degrees Celsius at home and there seems to be nothing that we

01:07:29 ◼   ► can do to stop it doing that. Is it hotter in the kitchen? Isn't it always?

01:07:34 ◼   ► Could be a could be a heat sink issue. Alright wrap up the show. Yeah that's a

01:07:39 ◼   ► a new low even for you.

01:07:41 ◼   ► - I don't wanna do this anymore.

01:07:42 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:07:43 ◼   ► I'm done.

01:07:44 ◼   ► (laughing)

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