405: A Calendar Called "Secrets"

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0:00:02From Relay FM, this is Connected, episode 405.

0:00:10That's one episode more than 404, which was last week.

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0:00:21And I'm so pleased to introduce Stephen Hackett.

0:00:23Welcome back, Stephen.

0:00:25Hello, Federico.

0:00:26How are you?

0:00:27I am doing excellent.

0:00:29despite the heat wave that is ongoing for two weeks now

0:00:33in Rome, I'm fine.

0:00:34Thanks to the AC, yes.

0:00:36- That's good, yeah, it's really hot here as well.

0:00:39I think I sent y'all a text yesterday of the heat index.

0:00:42It was like 112 Fahrenheit, which is what, 44 C I think?

0:00:46Brutal.

0:00:48- Don't like the sound of that.

0:00:51- Mm-mm, mm-mm, not good.

0:00:53I am joined not only by you Federico,

0:00:58But a person who is well equipped to deal with the heat, Mr. Myke Hurley.

0:01:03Sure am.

0:01:04Oh, thank God.

0:01:05Okay, so Myke is here.

0:01:06Okay.

0:01:06I just wanted to point out something which is kind of funny.

0:01:10People might catch it if they listen to the pro show,

0:01:12which you can get to get at getconnecttopro.co.

0:01:15Federico said, "Welcome back to Steven."

0:01:18But in the timeline of the show, Steven didn't go anywhere.

0:01:21Yeah.

0:01:22It's weird.

0:01:24Think about that.

0:01:24Time is also weird.

0:01:25Time is a weird concept.

0:01:28If you're looking to have your mind expanded, go to get connected pro.co.

0:01:32That's what we offer you this week.

0:01:34Whoa.

0:01:34Yep.

0:01:35Follow up.

0:01:37Follow up!

0:01:39Apple has cut trade-in prices again.

0:01:42Yes, this keeps happening.

0:01:47So most, a lot of the good products, they're down like 500, no, no, sorry, like $50, $500.

0:01:54They're down like $50.

0:01:56- You actually have to pay Apple for them to take it.

0:02:00- Yeah, that's how it works now.

0:02:01There was a sale that occurred in my household,

0:02:07Adina managed it, of both of my iPad Pros,

0:02:09so I've sold all my iPad Pros now.

0:02:12- Oh no, so you're not a Pro iPad user anymore.

0:02:16- I am a normie, I have a mini and an Air.

0:02:19I'm a normie iPad user. - Yeah, 'cause that's

0:02:20what normal people do, they have two iPads.

0:02:22- As we said before, regular guy over here,

0:02:25you know, with my two iPads, regular guy.

0:02:28Just I'm a man of the people,

0:02:29regular guy with my iPad Air and my iPad Mini.

0:02:33And we got significantly more for each of these products

0:02:38than Apple would trade in.

0:02:39I think we got more for a 2018 iPad, selling it on eBay,

0:02:44than I would if I was trading in a 2020 iPad on the 11 inch.

0:02:50Because people want these products,

0:02:52so they will pay money for them.

0:02:53It's the kind of money Apple will sell you

0:02:54a refurbished product for.

0:02:56But as we've mentioned many times on the show,

0:02:58Apple don't want to give you any money to take it from you

0:03:02because they just don't want to do that.

0:03:04So if you're looking to trade stuff in,

0:03:06I don't recommend going via Apple still.

0:03:08I recommend find someone in your life to hand it down to,

0:03:11sell it on eBay, sell it on, I don't know if Craigslist

0:03:14is a good place to sell these things

0:03:16or your local electronic store or something like that.

0:03:19That would be my recommendation to you all.

0:03:23I have some real time follow up news.

0:03:27We previously talked about how Apple months ago

0:03:31sued the Anisot group,

0:03:33the creators of the Pegasus spyware tool.

0:03:37Apple just announced a new feature

0:03:40coming out in the next beta of iOS 16, iPadOS and Ventura,

0:03:44which I suppose given the timing of this announcement

0:03:47will be out any minute now.

0:03:48They have announced,

0:03:49now the name is kind of unfortunate given the pandemic,

0:03:52but this new feature is called Lockdown Mode.

0:03:55- Love it.

0:03:56- Lockdown, Lockdown Mode is a new extreme security feature.

0:04:01- Extreme. - That will help,

0:04:03that will block targeted attacks

0:04:06on high profile individuals.

0:04:08This feature, and I'm now quoting Mark Gurman,

0:04:11there's a bunch of articles out already.

0:04:15This feature will severely limit messages,

0:04:17Safari, Apple services, and other endpoints

0:04:21that hackers usually rely on to attack an iPhone

0:04:25using tools like Pegasus.

0:04:27So lockdown mode will be, there are screenshots

0:04:31already that Apple provided some members of the press.

0:04:34It'll be available in settings,

0:04:36and it'll block incoming FaceTime calls,

0:04:39some Safari features, some Apple services,

0:04:41configuration profiles, a bunch of stuff.

0:04:44And it is designed for individuals who fear

0:04:49they may be targeted by cyber attacks on their iPhones.

0:04:53- So it basically makes the phone not as useful.

0:04:55Like, I don't mean this in a bad way,

0:04:57but like it takes away a bunch of features

0:04:59that could otherwise be used nefariously.

0:05:02So yeah, I'm looking at Apple's press release.

0:05:05Message attachment types are blocked,

0:05:07link previews are disabled,

0:05:09just-in-time JavaScript compilation

0:05:12and web browsing is disabled,

0:05:14invitations and services requests,

0:05:17FaceTime calls as Federico mentioned,

0:05:19wired connections with a computer or accessory cannot be used when the iPhone is locked,

0:05:24and configuration profiles cannot be installed.

0:05:27So this just feels like a permanent thing I guess that you can put on and just take

0:05:30it off when you want to.

0:05:32How intriguing.

0:05:33They've also given, announced a 10 million dollar grant to bolster research exposing

0:05:38such threats.

0:05:41And I have some additional follow up.

0:05:43iOS 16 beta 3 is out.

0:05:45Hooray! We'll install that during the episode and we'll see what happens. Maybe everything's about to change.

0:05:52Or nothing at all. Forget everything you know.

0:05:54MacBook Air orders. So we have some information here. Apple also announced as we're recording today.

0:06:01MacBook Air will be available to order on July 8th. So on Friday.

0:06:07And it will start shipping next Friday on the 15th.

0:06:12There was something kind of funny, I think, about this,

0:06:15which I wanted to see what you guys thought.

0:06:16This is kind of happening the day before Apple announced

0:06:19this.

0:06:20MKBHD posted a video reviewing a new Asus phone,

0:06:25and he was scrolling through his calendar,

0:06:30and on the calendar had both the date of his briefing

0:06:33for the MacBook Air and the embargo.

0:06:36- Oh no.

0:06:37(laughing)

0:06:38- It's like, this is just,

0:06:41This is, I'm surprised about this, honestly.

0:06:43Like I know that a lot of people,

0:06:46I guess it's complicated, right?

0:06:48Like I know that a lot of people

0:06:49that do this kind of stuff,

0:06:50I remember John Syracuse used to say this,

0:06:52I don't know if you do this Federico, I don't think you do,

0:06:56is having like specific accounts that you use

0:07:00when taking screenshots and stuff,

0:07:02so you don't leak information in reviews.

0:07:06- Yeah, I don't do this,

0:07:07but I'm very careful with the annotation tools in screen.

0:07:11- Yeah.

0:07:11- To hide them, yeah.

0:07:13- And this just seems like a funny thing

0:07:15for him to like show his calendar.

0:07:17Like just for a million reasons.

0:07:20It's just surprising.

0:07:21This kind of thing was just, it's just,

0:07:23I guess it's just a mistake.

0:07:26It was obviously a mistake that he made,

0:07:28but like just like a funny little thing to happen.

0:07:31But like, it's one of those things where I think

0:07:33we were talking about this in chat and someone said like,

0:07:36oh, he's going to get a call from Apple.

0:07:38but like, what I gotta say to MKBHD?

0:07:41You know what I mean?

0:07:41(laughing)

0:07:42What are you gonna say to him, right?

0:07:43Like, you know, this isn't one of those situations

0:07:46where like you could imagine maybe in the old days

0:07:49or at some point people would be like,

0:07:50"Oh, that's it, he's never gonna get

0:07:51"another one of these again."

0:07:53- Right, he gizmodoed it.

0:07:55- But he's MKBHD, so.

0:07:57This is a situation where they need him

0:08:00more than he needs them, so I would expect.

0:08:03- It's such an easy fix, just have a calendar named secrets

0:08:08and have that calendar turned off

0:08:10when you're videoing a phone.

0:08:11I bet that's what he does now.

0:08:13- I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if he did that before,

0:08:15but like something just got messed up.

0:08:16Because this stuff, this kind of thing

0:08:18has never happened before.

0:08:18And you know people are scrubbing through his videos

0:08:20all the time trying to find something, you know?

0:08:23- Oh, definitely.

0:08:24- Friend of the show, Jeremy Burge,

0:08:27the namesake of the Jeremy's,

0:08:29posted an image today of the MacBook Air page

0:08:33and showed a, took a screenshot

0:08:37of the USB-C to MagSafe cable that comes with the MacBook Air.

0:08:42Because we spoke about this before,

0:08:43but Apple has color-matched these MagSafe cables

0:08:47to the MacBook Air design that you get.

0:08:50But Jeremy was upset about the fact

0:08:52that the MagSafe connector is color-matched to the laptop,

0:08:57but the USB-C part that goes into the power brick is white.

0:09:01And I just wanted to know

0:09:02what the two of you thought about this.

0:09:04- Mm, why?

0:09:07So I saw some people say, well, the power brick is white.

0:09:09But the rest of the cable is not.

0:09:12I know. I think it should be also midnight.

0:09:15Yeah, it should be.

0:09:16I think it should be.

0:09:17It feels like a leftover part and they just decided that it was fine to use it.

0:09:23It looks weird. I agree.

0:09:24Well, I mean, another example of this, I guess, is the IMAX cable, right?

0:09:29No, but the IMAX cable is white.

0:09:31So I'm sorry.

0:09:33The cable is yellow, but the connector is white.

0:09:36which is a similar thing but hmm Steven what do you think yeah I think so yeah

0:09:44I'm gonna take the opposite I think white is fine because the power brick is

0:09:48white mmm and it helps you you know easily identify which end is which and

0:09:54the dark or something okay so I need two things here that I want to question you

0:09:58about about what you just said right one that the only way you think you could

0:10:04identify these easily as the color of them even though they are significantly

0:10:07different shape and two you said the dark so how's that okay then my primary

0:10:14reason is really just to argue with you just for the second conversation that

0:10:19you know what perfectly fine this is as far as it goes for a primary reason it

0:10:23doesn't really bother me but also I'm playing ordering a silver one for a

0:10:27family member so it's not like there's a big contrast there what about for you

0:10:32you gonna go on? Well so it's coming to me I'm gonna review it and then you're

0:10:38gonna review a cable? Mary's gonna get an M2 Air and I'm buying her a laptop. Oh I thought you were just talking about the cable. Yeah hey look Federico was in the New York

0:10:47Times for a cleaning cloth I think I can review a cable. That was actually gonna

0:10:53be my next question if any of us were gonna buy a MacBook Air. Yes so our

0:10:58current laptop situation in my house is I have the 14 inch MacBook Pro which I

0:11:01absolutely adore. Mary has an M one air. And there is a 2018

0:11:08Intel air. So like the first retina one that the kids use for

0:11:12school and games and stuff. And that machine. It's still a good

0:11:19laptop, but it's got a really small SSD in it. And anytime

0:11:23they do anything remotely punishing to it, it gets really

0:11:27loud with the fan. And so my plan was to order an M2 Air that would be Mary's. I'm going

0:11:35to review it, give it to her, the kids can use her M1 Air and then I'm going to sell

0:11:40off that 2018 Intel Air for whatever I can get. Probably not very much because the Intel

0:11:45Mac market is in the toilet. But that's, that's my plan. So I get one in for review and then

0:11:50they'll, you know, cycle through the household.

0:11:52Nice. I want to go see him. I think I'm going to be really really really really tempted by this computer.

0:11:58And my kind of like how I think all my computer life is shaking out is starting to like settle

0:12:06a little bit and I think potentially this could be a part of that but I'm not 100% sure yet but I have

0:12:11some ideas I'm working on. Federico are you interested in the MacBook Air? No I think I'm

0:12:17I think we're fine with the MacBook Pro and yeah, yeah, I don't think I'm... yeah, I don't need it.

0:12:24I'm fine with the MacBook Pro. I'm fine with the iPad Pro. Silvia needs a MacBook Pro anyway.

0:12:29We'll see in the future, like maybe once I have my new office space set up, maybe down the road

0:12:38I could consider a desktop Mac again, but not at the moment anyway. Right. I imagine these are going

0:12:45to be difficult to come by especially if you do something that is custom ordered.

0:12:51So if you're in the market for one of these I would uh I would get get on it on Friday you know

0:12:59after I order mine so give me like five minutes so then you can order yours. This episode of

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0:15:01Go to applehardwarecalendar.com.

0:15:06- It's a great URL.

0:15:07- Mm, it's a little dated.

0:15:10This is not the name of it this year.

0:15:12- Yeah, but it's still hardware though.

0:15:14You can't get away from that,

0:15:15no matter what you want to call it.

0:15:16- I mean, the calendar itself is hardware.

0:15:17- Yeah, well that's what I'm talking about,

0:15:19is the calendar, right?

0:15:20The calendar itself is, you know what I'm saying?

0:15:22I'm not talking about like the conception of a calendar.

0:15:26It's like the calendar itself.

0:15:27- I mean, what even is a calendar if you think about it?

0:15:30- Yeah, exactly.

0:15:32- Yeah, like what is time?

0:15:34I know Federico we need to like

0:15:36We need to appreciate big money Hackett making his return

0:15:41Oh big money Hackett over here. He launched a Kickstarter today with a $5,000 goal and he's passed

0:15:49$12,000 already Oh big money Hackett's back everyone

0:15:54Stand back

0:15:56Just in time for the summer

0:15:58When he gets his money trousers on

0:16:03Just in time to plan another vacation. And he's gonna build a second wing onto that

0:16:09pug cabin, you know? That's what he does.

0:16:14Congratulations, Stephen. Are you done mocking my hard work yet? Yep, done. We're done.

0:16:19Maybe. I can't guarantee it, actually. Yeah, so I'm back with the 2023 Apple

0:16:26history calendar. So if you backed this last year or you heard us talking

0:16:31about it. Last year, I made a wall calendar. The top half of the calendar is product photography

0:16:36of my own. And then the bottom half of the calendar instead of regular holidays that

0:16:41you know, people appreciate. This was for us Apple nerds. And last year, all the dates

0:16:47were dates in Apple's hardware history. So like the iBook came out this day or this is

0:16:54when AirPods Max were announced or this is when you know the HomePod was discontinued.

0:17:01Well for 2023, I focused on software so operating systems, first party titles from Apple over

0:17:09the years, a bunch of weird 90s stuff like I mentioned this elsewhere, but I think my

0:17:14favorite date in the calendar is sometime in the 90s Apple made this big press release

0:17:20about like we're going to support the IMAP standard for future email products like cool,

0:17:26glad we got that.

0:17:27Glad we got that

0:17:29understood and so the dates are all softer all the dates are new and

0:17:34I think if you enjoyed last year's you're gonna really enjoy this one too

0:17:40And if you missed out last year now is a great time. So

0:17:42The Kickstarter is up and running it runs through August 5th. So it's 30 days and

0:17:48You can get the calendar you can get a digital version where you can like

0:17:53Upload it to iCloud or Google and have all the dates you can get digital wallpapers of the images you can get stickers

0:17:59There's a whole bunch of stuff the digital calendar still makes me laugh because for me last year. It was like a ghost

0:18:05Because you asked me to install it to test it for you and I installed it

0:18:10But I didn't actually want that on my digital calendar

0:18:12I was gonna get the hard way like the actual physical calendar and for like three weeks

0:18:16It just kept enabling itself

0:18:18Like I would remove the calendar and it kept coming back

0:18:20And I would know it came back because all this stuff would get added to my calendar and I start getting

0:18:25Notifications of like oh, did you know that this was the day that the 20th anniversary Macintosh was released?

0:18:30It's like no, I don't want it. I don't get the calendars coming. That'll be fine for ya. It took a while to get that

0:18:36one of my favorite things over the last year, it really has brought me like

0:18:40Real happiness is I get tweets and stuff on the first of every month of people turning the page over

0:18:46So like on the campaign, I don't share all of the images and that is on purpose because my idea is you're gonna flip through this

0:18:54Calendar throughout the year and see a new image, you know every every month

0:18:58And I think that's I think that that slow exploration of it is a lot of fun and everyone synced up to which is cool

0:19:06Right, like everyone's experiencing at the same time

0:19:09Yeah, it's kind of a cool like community thing and and I know sometimes on your keyboard Club streams

0:19:15you've like turned the calendar on stream which is really cool. This is how it always happens because

0:19:19I always forget and then someone on stream says to me you haven't changed the calendar and then

0:19:23I go change the calendar and experience the image. That's great. That tends to be how it goes to me.

0:19:28I got like three days of the June image because I just wasn't here for all of June.

0:19:32Yeah. It's like oh look there it goes and it's gone again. Yeah this is awesome. I'm really pleased

0:19:37you're doing it again. I know that you were apprehensive because of the the hard work that

0:19:41that it was last time, but I know I'm really pleased

0:19:45that you're doing it again,

0:19:46'cause I think it's a great thing that exists.

0:19:48And I know that you've done a lot of work

0:19:50on making sure that the logistics are streamlined,

0:19:52which is also really good,

0:19:53'cause I know it kind of took over your life last year.

0:19:56- Yeah, the tiers are a little bit simpler.

0:19:57So like one thing that is lacking this year

0:20:00are the four by six prints.

0:20:02If you really want them, there'll be an opportunity

0:20:04to get them at the end of the campaign

0:20:06when I send out a survey via backer kit.

0:20:08But my impression talking to people,

0:20:12the photos were like the least popular item.

0:20:15And they were the most work to pack

0:20:18because of the way they came printed

0:20:19and I had to collate them all.

0:20:21And like, it was a lot of hands on time with that.

0:20:23And so it kind of made sense and wanting to simplify things

0:20:26and keep the costs or keep the prices the same.

0:20:31Actually, they're a little bit less than last year

0:20:33because the printing costs and the shipping costs

0:20:35have gone up.

0:20:36Like the calendars are way more to print this year.

0:20:38And I didn't want to pass that on or like make all the tiers more expensive.

0:20:43And so it kind of made sense to me and Myke, you and I talked a lot about this,

0:20:46about the four by six prints kind of being moved to like an optional thing at the end.

0:20:51So if you really want those, they will be available at the end of the campaign.

0:20:54And I'll share links about that, you know, as the time comes in early August.

0:20:58But I'm really excited about it.

0:21:00And I've been working on this since February

0:21:04in terms of the research and the photography and everything.

0:21:08And I'm really excited for people to get in their hands later this year.

0:21:11So I'd love it if you'd go check it out.

0:21:13It's better this time than when last time you had the idea in July,

0:21:18then launched the Kickstarter campaign and then did all the work.

0:21:21Right. So this time, way better way of doing it, you know?

0:21:24Yeah. Yeah. Last year, it was a really busy summer.

0:21:29And that led to some of the apprehension about doing it again.

0:21:34And so one of my things this year talking with the two of you

0:21:37and with John and with Mary and some other people like,

0:21:40how do I spread this out over the year where the day to day

0:21:45of impact is just a lot, a lot more manageable and like when fulfillment comes,

0:21:49this is going to be busy and I understand that.

0:21:51But part of it was I wanted to decide early in the year

0:21:55if I was going to do it again so I could start on the research

0:21:58because that is extremely time consuming and all the dates are selected.

0:22:04I actually just got it back last week from a fact checker, and we're going through and making sure everything's good.

0:22:11So it has been well underway, and I think it's going to be a real treat for those who back it.

0:22:19Awesome. Really, really happy, and I can't wait to see just how big this campaign goes.

0:22:24I hope that it smashes last year.

0:22:27Yep. So far, it's moving faster. So we'll see what happens.

0:22:30That makes sense though, because of the way that Kickstarter campaigns kind of start,

0:22:35when you've done it more than once, it may move more quickly.

0:22:38Because something that happened to many people I'm sure is, I got an email telling me that

0:22:44it had launched because I backed your last one.

0:22:47Right, from Kickstarter, not from me.

0:22:49From Kickstarter, yeah, they do that.

0:22:52Yeah, you sent me a screenshot and I was like, "Oh, look at that!"

0:22:55And so yeah, if you're repeating, thank you.

0:22:59And yeah, I'm really excited about it.

0:23:01I woke up this morning like itching to push the button.

0:23:05Yeah, I bet.

0:23:07Federico, I installed iOS 16 on my iPhone.

0:23:12Finally!

0:23:13Okay.

0:23:14I did it.

0:23:15I did it.

0:23:16Okay.

0:23:17I just pressed restart to install Beta 3 on my iPhone.

0:23:20So I'll see what happens when that comes up.

0:23:22And I'm going to expect that, Steven, I know you've done it too.

0:23:28Was it because I said I was doing it?

0:23:29Is that why you did it?

0:23:30Did I push you over the edge?

0:23:32No, I think we basically started it simultaneously.

0:23:34Like, "Oh, we're doing it."

0:23:37I wasn't going to do it when I was out of town last week.

0:23:40So yeah, I'm running it as well.

0:23:44And I think we got to talk about the lock screen, right?

0:23:46Because it's cool, but there's definitely some weird edges to it.

0:23:51Of course, this is all Beta 2 impressions.

0:23:54Right.

0:23:55Right?

0:23:56But there was a couple of things that I noticed and I wonder if you guys had the same kind

0:24:02of experiences.

0:24:03So one, at least in Beta 2, way harder to set your home screen wallpaper now.

0:24:07Like this seems like the system always wants to just like change both of them or like do

0:24:13it all together.

0:24:14So that was a bit weird.

0:24:15I expect that that's a bug though.

0:24:17Like it like you know you press a button to customize it just doesn't do anything.

0:24:21I ended up doing it like going around the system enough and I got it.

0:24:26One of the big things about the iOS 16 lock screen is the depth effects that it's doing.

0:24:32This is where if you put an image of a person it tucks the time behind their head or whatever.

0:24:39Now here's my issue with this.

0:24:41I had a nice picture of it and I put on the lock screen and the time went behind her head

0:24:48a little bit and it looked nice and very artistic.

0:24:51But then I wanted to put a complication on and it just put it on top of her forehead.

0:24:56And so it's like...

0:24:59That's where they go.

0:25:00Yeah.

0:25:01But that doesn't make any sense to me to then like, you're like, you do the obscuring of

0:25:07the time, but then the complication bang on the head.

0:25:09But this is the biggest issue I have with the complications.

0:25:12You have that like that block underneath the time, right?

0:25:16Where you can put a few up there.

0:25:18But you can't choose where they go in that.

0:25:21So I put two on there and I wanted them to be like left aligned, but no it put one on

0:25:25the left and one on the right.

0:25:27Yeah you can change the order but the spacing is kind of like the iOS dock where it kind

0:25:32of just does what it wants to do.

0:25:34And I found that annoying because then I wanted to have the image and then have the complications

0:25:40on the left so none of the complications covered Adina's head.

0:25:45It just, I don't know, I just found it weird.

0:25:47I found it weird.

0:25:48What I will say in general though,

0:25:50I set it up with a different image in the end.

0:25:52I actually used the one that I used before,

0:25:53which is like a cartoon kind of thing that Adina drew.

0:25:57And when you have it set up with the little widgets

0:26:00and you customise the font and the colours and stuff,

0:26:03it just doesn't look like iOS anymore.

0:26:06Like, and I don't mean this in a bad way,

0:26:08but it's going to take some getting used to for me

0:26:11because the iOS lock screen,

0:26:13like the fundamentals of it have looked the same

0:26:15for a really, really long time, right?

0:26:18like the way the time looks and all that kind of stuff

0:26:21and just like what's there

0:26:22and then the notifications are there.

0:26:24It's gonna take some time to get used to, I think.

0:26:27I don't know if either of you two have felt that,

0:26:28that like it feels uncanny in a way.

0:26:32- It does, yeah.

0:26:33- Yeah, what I was struck with is how boring

0:26:37the iPad feels now.

0:26:39- Yeah.

0:26:40- 'Cause it's not there.

0:26:41And that's a bit frustrating.

0:26:43Now, if you use an iPad in a keyboard case

0:26:47Maybe you just don't see the lock screen very much, but I guess it's going to be next year.

0:26:52I don't think they're going to get to it this year,

0:26:53but I would like to see them do something with the iPad lock screen.

0:26:57For me, I think the where the the the.

0:27:01The iPhone lock screen falls down a bit, and this is purely because we're in

0:27:07we're in beta land is just that the the current complications

0:27:12that are available to you are very limited and including apples like

0:27:17Apple has some weather ones and they got some clock ones, but like very limited

0:27:20customization of those.

0:27:22And so I think that this will be a real opportunity for developers

0:27:26underscore to to really make this shine.

0:27:31And and that's what I'm excited to see.

0:27:33You know, once once those start rolling out later this year. But.

0:27:37Some of the fiddliness I think could be beta.

0:27:40One thing I don't really like is.

0:27:46the mechanism to like place the image on the lock screen, it's like pinch to zoom, but it's also like

0:27:54pinch to move. There's something really weird about the gestures they're using there. I can't quite

0:28:00figure out what it's trying to do. It's a little bit odd. Because you can't just like with one

0:28:05finger move it around. You have to like always be like pinching. I'm like yeah I know what you mean.

0:28:10I know what you mean. And there have been several times when I'm editing and then I'll scroll

0:28:15up from the bottom to like exit the edit mode.

0:28:18And it doesn't save the changes because to save the changes,

0:28:20you have to hit the done button.

0:28:22And I've done like four times because I just keep tinkering with it.

0:28:27And I'd like that mechanism to change.

0:28:30I think it's it's easy to accidentally like set it up perfectly

0:28:33and then you swipe away kind of naturally because what you do on the lock screen

0:28:37and then all your work just disappears.

0:28:39I do think that the whole system is

0:28:42takes a bit of time to get used to, especially with the font options and the colors and the fact that you can even access a color picker from the lock screen now.

0:28:51Yeah.

0:28:51There's obviously, yeah, it's kind of strange. There's obviously like a ton of choice and they're going after the same sort of feeling, I think, that they successfully created with iOS 14, right?

0:29:04Total control of your home screen and now in this case, total control of your lock screen.

0:29:09I do find it hard to judge right now because of the lack of third-party widgets, obviously.

0:29:17And like, yeah, I'm using the clock widget to keep an eye on time zones, and I'm using the

0:29:22reminders widget to see a summary of my reminders on the lock screen, but I do feel like a lot of

0:29:29the value will have to wait for third-party apps to start offering widgets. And when that happens,

0:29:37I want to see how useful they will actually be for me, because I can imagine having a real-time

0:29:45timer widget will be super useful for me to keep an eye on my current timer if that will actually be

0:29:52real-time. So there's a performance consideration that needs to wait for when third parties actually

0:29:57get their hands on this. My only concern right now is that these are glanceable widgets, once again.

0:30:04These are meant to be glanceable, they're not interactive.

0:30:08The glanceable widgets on the home screen

0:30:11kinda got boring after a while for me.

0:30:15Now, on the lock screen, I think it makes more sense

0:30:18to have glanceable information there.

0:30:20Right now, what I'm really excited about

0:30:22is the live activities, like those interactive...

0:30:26Well, that's another discussion there,

0:30:29because they will be interactive for Apple apps,

0:30:31not for third-party developers.

0:30:33But even then, they'll have activities for...

0:30:37Yeah, they're still gonna be good.

0:30:38At least they will give them much more choice

0:30:41in terms of designing custom UIs and all that kind of stuff.

0:30:44But those are not coming with the launch of iOS 16 anyway.

0:30:47So those are coming later.

0:30:49Yeah, those are coming later.

0:30:51So we'll have to see, I wanna see like,

0:30:54I think I'm okay with these widgets

0:30:56being glanceable once again.

0:30:57If anything, they make more sense to be glanceable

0:31:00on the lock screen than the home screen.

0:31:02but I think we need to wait for third-party developers.

0:31:05- Yeah, there is a fundamental problem

0:31:07with the glanceability though,

0:31:09and I understand why they did it,

0:31:11but some of Apple's widgets or complications

0:31:15of the lock screen don't show the information

0:31:18until your phone sees your face.

0:31:20And so for instance, I have the one above the time

0:31:23that has the short date and the next calendar event,

0:31:25which I really, really like at the top of my lock screen.

0:31:29But if it's on my,

0:31:32So like I have a MagSafe charging thing on my desk

0:31:35and it's, you know, an arms reach away.

0:31:37I can see my phone screen,

0:31:39but because of the way the phone is, it can't see my face.

0:31:42So if I glance down and the screen happens to be on,

0:31:45it just says face too far away.

0:31:47And I understand why that is, it's like a privacy thing.

0:31:51So someone just picks up your phone and they're not you,

0:31:52it's not gonna show them your next calendar event.

0:31:55But that does introduce some friction

0:31:58to the glanceability, I think.

0:31:59and maybe there'll be a third party calendar widget

0:32:02that doesn't do that and I'll just switch to that

0:32:05'cause I don't have anything super sensitive.

0:32:07I'm not in the KBHD here leaking my calendar stuff.

0:32:09So that is a thing when you're setting this up.

0:32:13The other one I noticed was the activity room.

0:32:16- Well, you can't just change your settings, right?

0:32:18This is a settings thing.

0:32:19- It may be.

0:32:20- 'Cause mine doesn't do that.

0:32:22But when your phone is locked without face ID,

0:32:25does it obscure notifications?

0:32:29- I don't think so.

0:32:30I don't know, I need to look at that.

0:32:32It's installing Beta 3 right now.

0:32:34But the other one I noticed it on was Activity.

0:32:37And I noticed that one because the rings are grayed out

0:32:40and then I look at my phone and they like pop,

0:32:43you know, bright white or whatever the colors I'm using.

0:32:45And that was a little bit jarring.

0:32:47But overall, even in just a couple of days of using Beta 2,

0:32:52I really like this feature.

0:32:53And I think people are really gonna love the customization.

0:32:57And I expect that we'll see, you know, people,

0:33:01you know, third party developers

0:33:02really pushing what's possible.

0:33:04And one thing that I hadn't really,

0:33:08I don't think we talked about it,

0:33:09I haven't really heard much talk about it,

0:33:11is you can do your own,

0:33:12but Apple also has a lot of lock screen themes.

0:33:16And one that I think is really cool is the weather one.

0:33:19So it sets your wallpaper to like the current weather

0:33:22where you are.

0:33:23So I was playing with it last night and set that on.

0:33:25I was just looking at my phone,

0:33:26like a shooting star went across it.

0:33:28You know, like they're doing these things.

0:33:30I can't wait to see it when there's a, you know,

0:33:31if it ever rains here again.

0:33:33But there's, there's a, there's different ones you can do.

0:33:37There's one that's an emoji one where you can select

0:33:39multiple emoji and like the grid

0:33:41or like the style they're in.

0:33:43So Apple's done a lot of work on their own,

0:33:46which I think is really cool.

0:33:48And it, it, it makes me,

0:33:51it makes me so sad for the Apple watch.

0:33:54Like seeing what Apple can do here,

0:33:56like when they really put their full force behind it is like,

0:33:59why can't you do that more of this with Apple watch faces?

0:34:02Because they are very similar in terms of both technology

0:34:06and sort of like, it's the top most layer of interface.

0:34:10And this feels so vibrant and alive and exciting.

0:34:13And the Apple Watch just makes me sad with his watch faces.

0:34:16- That, you know what that says to me, right?

0:34:19Like it is the idea of these teams not working

0:34:22with each other is what that would appear to be to me.

0:34:25right? Like the lock screen team had this great idea about a weather lock screen

0:34:31which would also be a really good weather watch face but if those teams

0:34:37work together maybe they would make that together but then what ends up happening is

0:34:41like the Apple Watch team looks at it and goes that's a really great idea and then

0:34:44they'll put it in the next version of watchOS. Like you know I don't know

0:34:48that's the case but like it sometimes seems like that right? I know there are

0:34:52technical differences to like, the weather one may not be great for the

0:34:57watch for other reasons like refresh rate or battery life. There are different

0:35:00constraints on the watch. But holistically what we've gotten from the

0:35:05lock screen feels like a much more like thought through idea and set of features

0:35:11than what we get sometimes on the Apple Watch.

0:35:13Yep.

0:35:14I have some real-time follow-up on what is new in iPad OS 16 beta 3.

0:35:21Yep.

0:35:21I was just tweeting this a few minutes ago.

0:35:25So there's big changes to the multitasking menu in Beta 3 and some improvements to Stage Manager as well.

0:35:32So the multitasking menu on the iPad has been completely redesigned.

0:35:38It is no longer just a small pill-shaped sort of pop-up with icons.

0:35:45It is now a context menu with icons and text labels.

0:35:50So all the options have text labels now. You have Zoom, which basically fills, you know,

0:35:56basically makes the window bigger to fill the screen. It's called Zoom. You have Add Another Window.

0:36:04That's the plus button. And you have Minimize. Minimize basically

0:36:09removes the current window from the stage,

0:36:12from the current workspace, and puts it back in the recent apps on the left. But that's not all.

0:36:19They have a close button now.

0:36:21So that was actually my very first feedback

0:36:24that I filed a couple of weeks ago.

0:36:27For beta one, I believe,

0:36:28you now have a proper way to close windows

0:36:33from stage manager.

0:36:34And you can actually do it a couple of ways.

0:36:36You can use this close button,

0:36:38or you now have the same behavior as on Mac OS.

0:36:43Command + W now closes a window.

0:36:45- Oh, yes, that's what I wanted, the shortcut key.

0:36:48They even have a fancy animation, like a fancy 3D animation where the window flips on itself

0:36:55and it closes.

0:36:56So that's pretty cool.

0:36:59There are some other improvements to Stage Manager as well.

0:37:02Now if you hover with the pointer over a window, thumbnail on the left, sort of the other windows

0:37:10in the workspace, they sort of push to the right to show you the full tray on the left

0:37:15side.

0:37:16hover, and the window kind of like, it's like, "Oh yeah, let me make room for the apps on

0:37:22the left." So that's cool. And they have, and this is the big news, this is something

0:37:27that I was complaining about a couple of weeks ago, that weird window picker that they had

0:37:34before is gone. And I was sure that like, the way that you used to be able to see multiple

0:37:41Windows from the same app, it was a leftover from iOS 15. It was too strange. It took you

0:37:50to this very old iPadOS 13-like expose view. That's gone. Now, if you right-click on an

0:37:58icon in the dock, and you select "Show all windows", all the windows from the app will

0:38:06be displayed to you in Stage Manager. So on the left side, instead of seeing all your

0:38:12recent apps, you will see, for example, all your Safari windows. So it's much more integrated

0:38:18with the Stage Manager UI. They're basically getting rid of one extra UI that was there

0:38:25before. So now when you want to see all the windows from an app that supports multiple

0:38:30Now that integrates with the Stage Manager sort of tray on the left side of the screen.

0:38:37And I'm sure there will be a bunch of other things. Usually in Beta 3 that's when you have a bunch of changes.

0:38:43But I can tell you, Stephen, something that will make you really happy.

0:38:48Yeah, I just saw this.

0:38:50In Settings Reminders there's a new setting for you.

0:38:54you under badge count it says include due today they did it they did it they

0:39:03did it for you thank you you're changing I would just like to give real-time

0:39:09follow-up that I had nothing to do with but I just checked it they fixed the

0:39:12thing so you can now more easily independently change the home screen

0:39:16wallpaper they fit that was a bug they fixed it but that's just everybody take

0:39:21moment and thanks Stephen for for the matting the setting thank you Stephen

0:39:25yeah also thank you today if you're glad they did it go go buy a calendar so this

0:39:31setting Wow big money I got strikes again this setting is called it's called

0:39:39include due today include both overdue and due today items in badge count so

0:39:45now the badge will match the today smart list automatically if you turn this on

0:39:49on. That means that any tasks due today, regardless of time of day, will show up in the badge.

0:39:57This is exactly what I wanted. This is how every other task manager works, or at least

0:40:02they have an option for it. It was in a beta, I think last year for a little while then

0:40:08went away. I'm so glad that it's here. I hope that it sticks. This really honestly, like

0:40:13this was the last thing keeping me from using reminders full time. I use it actually quite

0:40:19a bit for like ephemeral stuff like hey like the other day johnny did something from me

0:40:25and i wasn't where i could do it i said hey remind me in one hour of this using siri and

0:40:31it put a link to that iMessage in reminders and reminded me an hour i love all the system

0:40:36integration stuff but the lack of a do badge based on the date was killing me um there's

0:40:42a blog post about it you can go read that i wrote at wdc so i'm super excited to see

0:40:46this. It's all coming up Hack It today.

0:40:49- Yep.

0:40:50- So I had a realization for one of the new

0:40:54reminders features, specifically the ability

0:40:58to create templates that you can share with people, right?

0:41:02In iOS 16, I wanna hear what you guys think of this approach.

0:41:05So in iOS 16 reminders, you can now create

0:41:09reusable templates for checklists and you can create one,

0:41:13you can create a link and you can send the link

0:41:15somebody else, and somebody else can install that checklist, that template, on their reminders app.

0:41:22Now, one of the things you guys know about me, that other people in the audience also, I think,

0:41:28know about me, is that very often I get an email or I get a Twitter DM from someone who says, "Hey,

0:41:35I'm coming to Italy for my honeymoon, for a wedding, for vacation. Can you give me advice on

0:41:43places to stay, places to see, restaurants to eat, things to do.

0:41:47Like, I get these kinds of emails, especially in the summer, a lot.

0:41:52Like, a couple of emails a week, almost.

0:41:55So I thought, obviously, like, I'm sad because I cannot reply to everybody here.

0:42:04And also, it's a very, you know, that kind of email is a very long email to respond to,

0:42:09because like, where are you going? Are you coming to Rome? What's your budget? What kind of things

0:42:14are you into? But I had an idea. What if, to test this feature for my iOS 16 review, I finally sit

0:42:23down and I take a couple of hours and I just do it, and I create a reusable checklist in Reminders

0:42:30for all kinds of things you can do and see and restaurants to eat at in Rome. And I do that once

0:42:38and I set it up and then the next time somebody emails me and they're asking for advice on what to do in Rome

0:42:45I just send them to the link to that checklist in Reminders. The bonus there, like the advantage, is that Reminders

0:42:52I think is actually great for this because it supports image attachments,

0:42:58rich links,

0:43:01tasks so I could have like this list actually like nicely laid out with like map links and you have the preview or

0:43:09There could be photos like go here like there could be a bunch of information

0:43:13inside the individual reminders

0:43:16I think that's one way to test this feature and save time and make my readers happy

0:43:22Because now I can just reply to everybody and say here that's the link for you

0:43:27I have a question for you. That does sound really interesting. My question for you is

0:43:30can't you do this with maps? Like can't you create those like...

0:43:33Yes, I can, but maps is just maps. Like I cannot type anything.

0:43:42You can't say you need to go here because of this.

0:43:44No.

0:43:45Yeah, right. I see. I see. Yeah.

0:43:47No.

0:43:47That makes sense then because you said because you could include maps links, right? In the stuff.

0:43:51Yeah, I can include them or I can include links to websites or notes.

0:43:56for people. Like if you go to this place or they try to sell you on, I don't know,

0:44:01on like a special parking spot, don't, because it's a scam. Like those little

0:44:05bits of advice that you need to know when you visit Rome, you know, they try

0:44:09to upsell you on everything if you're a tourist. I can do that.

0:44:16And a question, I mean, again, probably everybody knows this by now by

0:44:21listening to the show. I've been looking, I just like open Twitter to see if

0:44:24if anyone was talking about it,

0:44:25but it doesn't seem like stage manager on any other iPads.

0:44:28I feel like this is the thing that I'm just gonna

0:44:30wanna keep checking in on until the final version,

0:44:34that they've not expanded stage manager

0:44:36for non M1 iPads, right?

0:44:38Doesn't seem like it's the case.

0:44:40- I am not seeing anything on that part of the world.

0:44:42- I figure we would have heard about it by now, right?

0:44:44Within like 15 minutes of the thing being released.

0:44:46- Yeah, yeah.

0:44:48- Right, it doesn't seem like it.

0:44:49But this is just something that like,

0:44:51it's an interesting thing to keep track of.

0:44:54We obviously spent a lot of time talking about it on this show, but I

0:44:56My thought was if they were gonna do it, they would probably do it now

0:45:00But it seems like they haven't

0:45:03Yeah, and seems like they're just not gonna do it

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0:46:40It is quiz time, gentlemen.

0:46:42- Oh boy. - Oh no.

0:46:44- Oh no. - Quiz time.

0:46:46So over the last number of weeks,

0:46:48I've been requesting connected listeners

0:46:52to fill in a survey called,

0:46:54Do You Know the Passionate Ones?

0:46:571200 connected listeners.

0:46:59- Oh my God.

0:47:00- Filled out the survey. - 1200?

0:47:03- To my questions,

0:47:04which was many more than I was expecting

0:47:08and has taken me a really long time.

0:47:11So I have round one of this quiz,

0:47:15five questions that we're gonna be going through today.

0:47:20This is a family feud,

0:47:23AKA family fortunes style quiz

0:47:28that we're gonna be doing here.

0:47:29Let me explain how this is gonna work.

0:47:32So I will be asking you the question

0:47:36that I asked the passionate ones.

0:47:39So for example, I may ask them,

0:47:42what is your favorite podcast?

0:47:44May have been, it wasn't,

0:47:45but this could have been one of the things in the quiz.

0:47:48And so then connected listeners, they answer that question.

0:47:52Your goal is to guess which is the top most answer

0:47:58that connected listeners would give to the question,

0:48:02what is your favorite podcast?

0:48:04I have taken the top five answers

0:48:07that you can score points for.

0:48:08When you say "your", who's the "you" in "your"?

0:48:12The listener.

0:48:14So the quiz is for listeners.

0:48:17Listeners answered with their answers to the questions that I gave.

0:48:21I think I gave 20.

0:48:22So we're trying to guess what we think our listeners say their favorite podcast is.

0:48:28Correct.

0:48:29Okay, so not what our favorite podcast is.

0:48:31Not what your favorite podcast is.

0:48:34the aggregate of these 1200 people that answered, what is the thing that they are most likely

0:48:38to have answered to the question, what is your favorite podcast? So you are trying to

0:48:44get in the mind of the listener. So for example, climb into the passionate ones. Exactly, you

0:48:51got to climb into the brains of the passionate ones. Kind of stretch out in there and see

0:48:55what's going on. Shake some trees, see what answers fall out. There are, now we're gonna,

0:49:00As you know, right so far, the score between the two of you is Steven has 12 points, Federico

0:49:07has 11 points.

0:49:10Now the scoring here is quite different.

0:49:14The top answer in any round, you will get 50 points.

0:49:17Woah!

0:49:18The second answer, 40 points.

0:49:21Third, 30 points.

0:49:23So this is if you...

0:49:24Wait what?

0:49:25Okay, so again, this is complicated.

0:49:27We're gonna go through this, it's fine.

0:49:28I know that Steven's played this kind of game before Federico, I don't think you have.

0:49:32So we're going to walk through this together, there's no problem.

0:49:35There are five answers.

0:49:36I've taken the top five most given answers from the 1200 responses that I gave.

0:49:42And from five to one, they are given 50 points, 40 points, 30 points, 20 points, 10 points.

0:49:48You are each going to get three opportunities to make a guess.

0:49:52Okay.

0:49:53Right?

0:49:54Okay.

0:49:55I'm going to say three, I might give you more.

0:49:57I'm going to see how it goes for the first round.

0:50:00We're working this out as we go along, right?

0:50:02Because there are five answers, there's two of you.

0:50:03So in theory, in three, if you had a clean round,

0:50:06one of you doesn't get that last pick,

0:50:07that might be how it goes.

0:50:08Or you might be so off base that we might want to do

0:50:11like four picks each, right?

0:50:13We're going to work that out as we go along.

0:50:14But there are many points on offer available here.

0:50:18But don't worry, we're probably going to do four rounds

0:50:21of this quiz in total.

0:50:23Because I have five questions for you today,

0:50:24with 20 in total. The game here is you are trying to anticipate what our audience may answer to a

0:50:32given question. Is that understood? Okay. Yes. Right. Well, you can feel free. Okay. Yes. Okay.

0:50:39Feel free to ask me questions as we go through. There are some qualifiers that I will need to

0:50:43give for some of the rounds and I'll explain those as we go. Now I'm going to do, uh, to try

0:50:51and decide who goes first, I'm going to do a coin flip and then it will go for the rest

0:50:59of the game in that order. Right? But actually I'll flip it each round is a better way to

0:51:04do it. So say like if Stephen picks first in the first round, Federico will pick first

0:51:08in the second round. Actually, again, we'll work this out. I'm going to let you guys choose

0:51:13here so I can either do it that way or I can do it that the person with the least amount

0:51:18points can score first in the next round which would you prefer?

0:51:24I like the chaos of the coin flip.

0:51:26Yeah, me too.

0:51:28Okay.

0:51:29So before each round we'll do a coin flip as to who will answer the question first.

0:51:34So one last time as a recap, this is what the game is.

0:51:37I will ask you a question.

0:51:40For example, what is your favorite podcast?

0:51:42You have to guess what do the connected listeners, what are they most likely to answer?

0:51:48are five potential answers that you can score points for. The top answer gets you 50 points,

0:51:55then 40, 30, 20, 10 for those five answers. We'll give you at least three guesses each,

0:52:02and then we'll move on to the next round. Are we all good?

0:52:05Okay. Yes.

0:52:07All right. So first off, it's time for a coin flip. I guess this is where we find out how

0:52:12well dice by pkalt works on the beta.

0:52:17who could dice?

0:52:18pdice.

0:52:19right, pdice.

0:52:20it's heads.

0:52:27james seemed to have got in there real quick and he enabled the triple j mode.

0:52:32oh no.

0:52:33that was james that said heads.

0:52:34but i also didn't ask either of you to call so that was a terrible wasted coinflip.

0:52:38i was getting ready to say i wanted to know how far you were gonna go before realising

0:52:42I'm gonna say Steven is heads, Federico is tails.

0:52:45We're gonna go that way.

0:52:46Okay.

0:52:46Okay, we're gonna flip again.

0:52:48Heads.

0:52:52Boom.

0:52:54Okay.

0:52:55So, first question is, now just give me a minute before you answer.

0:53:01The first question is, to the passionate ones, what was your first Apple product?

0:53:10Now I got 1200 answers that were all written by hand to this answer.

0:53:17I love you Myke.

0:53:19I had to go through all of these.

0:53:21Thank you Myke.

0:53:22Thank you.

0:53:23I can't imagine how many hours you spent doing this.

0:53:26The first five questions took two and a half hours to compile.

0:53:28And if there's a tie or there's something that comes up,

0:53:31I hope you remember how thankful I am to you.

0:53:33Yeah, yeah, sure.

0:53:35Thank you.

0:53:36So to make this an answerable question, we are going for this question, for the answers are product classes.

0:53:45These are not model years, sizes, or variations within a model by processor.

0:53:51So for example, if Apple made a product called the MacBook Studio, that's all I want to know.

0:53:57I don't want to know 13 inch MacBook Studio, 16 inch MacBook Studio.

0:54:02I don't want to know 2020 retina MacBook Studio, right?

0:54:05I don't want any of that.

0:54:06This is just product names.

0:54:09So bear that in mind, right?

0:54:11That this could be spanning across gosh knows

0:54:14how many years I'm looking for a product class.

0:54:16Steven, you have the first guess too.

0:54:19What was your first Apple product?

0:54:23- See, this is really a question

0:54:24about the age of our audience more than anything else.

0:54:27I'm gonna say the iPod touch.

0:54:31Stephen, that is the third most popular answer

0:54:36for which you score 30 points.

0:54:39- Boom.

0:54:40- Federico, Stephen said iPod touch.

0:54:44- Okay.

0:54:47I am going to say

0:54:50MacBook Pro.

0:54:55- Federico, that answer is not in

0:55:00the top five answers given by connected listeners.

0:55:04- Wow. - Okay.

0:55:05- Off to a rough start.

0:55:07- I'm sorry about that.

0:55:09So Stephen, we're gonna go back around to you now.

0:55:13This is the question of what was the first Apple product

0:55:17from the connected listeners?

0:55:18What is your second guess?

0:55:20- MacBook Air.

0:55:24- Stephen, that is also not in the top five answers given.

0:55:30We got a bunch of Mac Pro listeners out here.

0:55:33Mm-hmm.

0:55:34Okay.

0:55:35Okay.

0:55:36So Federico, we're going to go through your second answer now.

0:55:40I'm torn between two.

0:55:45But I'm going to say...

0:55:49iPhone.

0:55:51Federico, that is the fourth most popular answer.

0:55:55What?

0:55:56You get 20 points.

0:55:59okay okay so we've just iPod touch MacBook Pro MacBook Air iPhone have all

0:56:06been picked I'm gonna go iPod mini Stephen that is not on the list yeah it's

0:56:22not in the top five come on okay okay what I have learned now is the idea of

0:56:27of three rounds. No, we're just going to keep going for a while until we get through a bunch

0:56:32of them and then we go for a couple more rounds and if nobody answers, I'll cut you off.

0:56:36Okay. Okay. So worse than this than you thought we'd be is what you're saying.

0:56:40No, I'll actually tell you right now. This was the most surprising round I think for

0:56:46me. Okay. Okay. Okay. All right. I'm gonna go with iPod classic meaning like the standard

0:56:57iPod.

0:56:59Federica, iPod is the top answer. You get 50 points.

0:57:04Wow, okay.

0:57:07So I did combine iPod, iPod Classic, Video iPod, that's just iPod, right?

0:57:14I just put those all in one thing, they're the iPod.

0:57:17I also included the many U2 iPods that were included in here.

0:57:22Just for fun.

0:57:24Wait, how many U2 iPods?

0:57:25There was a handful, but there really were.

0:57:27I can't believe that that was at least, I think, five people's first Apple product

0:57:33was the YouTube iPod to my memory.

0:57:34I want to meet those people.

0:57:35Just to give you, because I have this information, iPod was 22% of the overall answer.

0:57:41Okay.

0:57:42Wow.

0:57:43So Stephen, we're going back around to you now.

0:57:46Federico's in the lead with 70 points.

0:57:49I'm going to stay on this iPod train and say iPod Nano.

0:57:54Stephen, that is the second topmost answer, netting you 40 points.

0:58:00There is just one answer left on the board.

0:58:03Which can you repeat the order again?

0:58:06Top answer was iPod, then iPod Nano, iPod Touch, then iPhone.

0:58:12So number five is the one that is missing?

0:58:15Yeah, the 10 points.

0:58:16Interesting.

0:58:24- Okay. - It came to me.

0:58:24- It came to me. - I'm gonna go,

0:58:25I'm gonna trust my gut here and say iPad.

0:58:30- Federico, that is also not in the answers here.

0:58:36- Wow. - I'm going to give you both

0:58:39one more round.

0:58:43- Okay. - So you get one more pick

0:58:44each on this one.

0:58:45- Okay, I'm gonna pick MacBook.

0:58:48- Steven, that is not in the top five answers.

0:58:52- No!

0:58:53- Okay, and I'm gonna pick iMac.

0:58:58- Federico, that is also not in the top five answers.

0:59:02Now, I will tell you why I gave you one more round each.

0:59:06I had to check the math on this about 20 times.

0:59:12The fifth most popular answer,

0:59:15garnering 10 points, was the Apple II.

0:59:18- Oh man. - Oh my.

0:59:22Oh, okay.

0:59:24I like it.

0:59:2653 people said,

0:59:29a version of the Apple II was their first Apple beer.

0:59:34So we have children and really old people.

0:59:38That is all we have as our audience.

0:59:40You were one or the other.

0:59:43I love it. I love it.

0:59:44I love it.

0:59:45Isn't that bananas?

0:59:47Could you, if you have this available,

0:59:49could you round out the top 10?

0:59:50If you don't have it, that's fine.

0:59:54I can roughly give it to you.

0:59:55So iPod, iPod nano iPod touch iPhone.

1:00:04Apple to iPod shuffle iPod mini.

1:00:10And then I'm Mac.

1:00:12So wow.

1:00:13So it's a way down Mac powerbook after that.

1:00:17Wow.

1:00:18and also Macintosh Classic.

1:00:20OK, that is useful information to have.

1:00:24OK, it is. It's amazing to me.

1:00:26I mean, I remember during the iPod time, people say what the Halo effect like,

1:00:30that's the first Apple device that people get.

1:00:32Yeah. I mean, at least in our audience, that's 100 percent true.

1:00:36Right. Like the iPods dominate that list.

1:00:38And then the Apple, too.

1:00:41I can't believe that's the first computer.

1:00:43That's so good in the list.

1:00:46Yeah.

1:00:47That's a good computer.

1:00:48Isn't that wild?

1:00:49It is.

1:00:50And it's by a big number.

1:00:51The Apple II was 4.8%.

1:00:54The next Mac that shows up is the MacBook Pro,

1:00:58which I don't think-- I think I said that incorrectly.

1:01:00It was the MacBook Pro, not the Macintosh Classic, at 3.7%.

1:01:05So there was still quite a jump.

1:01:08I couldn't believe it.

1:01:09I was convinced that I'd done something wrong,

1:01:11because it just didn't make any sense to me.

1:01:13That divide--

1:01:14Yeah.

1:01:15Like it's three iPods and iPhone in the Apple 2.

1:01:17- I love that so much.

1:01:21That's so good.

1:01:22- That's incredible.

1:01:23- So at the end of the first round,

1:01:26you were tied at 70 points each.

1:01:28- Wow.

1:01:29- Whoa.

1:01:30I have goosebumps.

1:01:32- The next question is,

1:01:34what operating system did you use in your school years?

1:01:38- What do school years mean?

1:01:40- This was a question.

1:01:42So you remember I mentioned

1:01:43I was getting a lot of people asking for clarifying questions.

1:01:46Is it this one?

1:01:47This was what they were referring to.

1:01:49But my whole point is I just want you to answer that however, whatever you think that means.

1:01:56So that's part of the fun for me.

1:01:58That's the meta game.

1:01:59What do people think that means?

1:02:01Right?

1:02:02Okay.

1:02:03Now again, like the last one, I'm looking for overall OS names.

1:02:06I'm not looking for years, variations of a name or unique names for OS versions.

1:02:12So okay, well, let's flip a coin and we can figure this out.

1:02:15I had a question, but I don't want to play my hand.

1:02:17Yeah, I think that's a good way to do it.

1:02:20This one was really hard for me to accurately say without giving it away, right?

1:02:25What the kind of answers will be.

1:02:27So Stephen's heads again, I'm going to say.

1:02:30Heads.

1:02:31And it goes to Stephen again.

1:02:32Boom.

1:02:33You can ask a clarifying question, I may or may not answer it.

1:02:37Is Mac OS X one entry or about 18 different entries?

1:02:41Yeah, like do we need to say leopards? No, I've combined them.

1:02:45Okay. Oh, so that's what I meant by variations. What's the question? What's the question again?

1:02:50What operating system did you use in your school years? And I got 28 answers.

1:03:01Okay. After the combining. So. Okay. That's so there's some BOS people in there probably.

1:03:07God bless them. Can't tell you yet. I'm gonna go with Mac OS X.

1:03:11That is the second highest answer. The combination name of Mac OS gone as Steven 40 points.

1:03:21I guess I'm gonna go with Windows. Windows is the top answer at 50 points. This was not a surprise

1:03:34to me, wait until you hear this, variations of Windows comprised 52.5% of the answers.

1:03:41Whoa.

1:03:42Mac OS 31.

1:03:45Yeah, I was playing just the Apple game. Federico, you outsmarted me on that.

1:03:49Yeah, that was-

1:03:50Yeah, because we have the switchers, right? We have the switchers who said the first device

1:03:52was the iPod.

1:03:53And also, who had Mac OS at school? If you were answering this question of what was in

1:03:59school-

1:04:00I mean I did so but most people didn't that probably.

1:04:04So Federico is playing galaxy brain level and I'm over he's playing chess and I'm playing

1:04:09checkers is what I was going so far.

1:04:12So I go next.

1:04:14So is the question so I want to pick a mobile operating system.

1:04:21But have this audience to consider.

1:04:23I'm going to say iOS.

1:04:24iOS you say iOS.

1:04:28Stephen, iOS is not in the top five answers.

1:04:31- I'm gonna go...

1:04:36- Just do it, I know what you're gonna say.

1:04:41- No, I'm turning between two.

1:04:44The thing is, I don't know if Myke combined them.

1:04:47I'm gonna go with DOS.

1:04:50- The third most popular answer was DOS.

1:04:58Yes! Federico 30 points.

1:05:00Yeah, makes sense. Makes sense.

1:05:03Makes sense.

1:05:06That puts Federico at 150 points.

1:05:09So Steven, 110.

1:05:11So I need to really nail this one.

1:05:14There's a lot to play for. We've got three more rounds.

1:05:17Okay, okay. That one's a little better.

1:05:19Three more questions today.

1:05:20Android.

1:05:28Android is not on the list, Steven.

1:05:30Yeah.

1:05:32Back to Federico.

1:05:33I'm gonna go with... I'm assuming you combined all of them, so I'm gonna go with Linux.

1:05:38It is indeed the year of Linux, as Federico gets 20 points for the 4th mobile operating system.

1:05:46Why do you keep picking mobile operating systems?

1:05:48I don't know!

1:05:49Yeah, Steven, that was a really not good idea.

1:05:51I don't know why you went with Android after striking out iOS.

1:05:56There is one item left on the board here.

1:06:01I'm going to give you both one answer,

1:06:03and then I'm going to give you a clue.

1:06:05- After we give our answers? - For one more round.

1:06:07- Okay, okay.

1:06:08- Well, you're going to get one more round,

1:06:09you're going to get a clue if you get it,

1:06:10and then you get one more round each.

1:06:13- So we've picked Windows, Mac OS X.

1:06:17- Okay, you have picked Windows, Mac OS, DOS, and Linux.

1:06:21And iOS and Android, but they don't score.

1:06:24But they don't make it. I don't think it's web OS.

1:06:28What else is there on Windows mechanics?

1:06:39I mean there's weird stuff. I mean there's lots of weird OS's out there.

1:06:44This isn't the clue, but you're gonna have to get wit to get this.

1:06:47You know what? I'm gonna get weird.

1:06:53I'm going to say...

1:06:55This is either going to be brilliant or it's going to sound stupid as soon as I say it.

1:07:01But I'm going to say...

1:07:04OS/2.

1:07:06And I'm going to go with...

1:07:08Oh!

1:07:09What's the name?

1:07:10You both just not let me out, tell him, right?

1:07:12No, we both put our answers down.

1:07:14Yeah, go Federico.

1:07:16I'm going to go with what's the name of the thing that you had to print on physical paper?

1:07:22-With the dots? -Like punch cards?

1:07:23Punch cards. I'm gonna go with punch cards.

1:07:26Hmm...

1:07:29I have a-- Okay, so it's not OS/2.

1:07:37[chuckles]

1:07:38Right?

1:07:40I'm gonna make a judgment call here.

1:07:43Okay.

1:07:45And I'm going to give this to Federico.

1:07:47-What? -It's Unix, isn't it?

1:07:49-It's Unix. No? -No.

1:07:50Because I combined a bunch of answers into what I'm calling "none".

1:07:59There was a large amount of our audience that gave some variation of there being no actual

1:08:05computer operating system that they used.

1:08:08Or like using Fortran or stuff like that.

1:08:11It was like slide rule, pen and paper.

1:08:13I had some punch cards in there and I combined these all into "none" for 10 points.

1:08:19And I'm going to say that Federico with the answer of punch cards would qualify to get

1:08:23in that none category.

1:08:26It's those Apple II people kicking around.

1:08:30What I was going to say to you is my clue was, consider the last answer of the last

1:08:34round.

1:08:35Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:08:36So just to give you some extra, we had two people that said Unix.

1:08:41We had, it was 26 people that said none.

1:08:46Did OS/2 even make it on the list?

1:08:4812 people said iOS, 6 people said Chrome OS.

1:08:54Chrome OS. Oh, I should have thought of that.

1:08:568 people said Amiga OS.

1:08:59Amiga OS, yes.

1:09:01We had 8 basic.

1:09:03Basic, okay.

1:09:06I think OS/2 is IBM mainframe OS, right?

1:09:10No, OS/2 was like a joint thing between Microsoft and IBM.

1:09:15Okay. Well, nobody gave me any version of that.

1:09:18What about BOS?

1:09:19BOS is not there.

1:09:21Oh that's sad.

1:09:22There was one person who said next step.

1:09:27I love you one person.

1:09:28Represent.

1:09:29Yep whoever that person is.

1:09:30If you're that person and you can prove it let me know maybe you'll get a treat in the

1:09:35mail.

1:09:36Just let him know and he'll email you a link to the calendar and you can buy a calendar

1:09:41because that's...

1:09:42You have an exclusive opportunity.

1:09:44We have two questions down.

1:09:46The points are 180 to Federico, 110 to Steven.

1:09:50There's still a lot of points on the line.

1:09:52Steven, would you like to take a break and I'll get us up for round three?

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1:11:36I'm gonna go into question three now and to for fairness sake I'm gonna flip the coin but this time

1:11:41Federico you're gonna be heads and Stephen's gonna be tails. And now it's gonna be tails for sure. Probably right?

1:11:47Heads! And there you go and you announced it for yourself too which is good news.

1:11:55The third question is what was your first iPhone? And the way that we're going to do this is

1:12:05model numbers are now in play, right?

1:12:09But no color or storage size variations.

1:12:13So remember our tier list, right?

1:12:15All of those iPhones from the tier list.

1:12:16- Okay.

1:12:17So the plus and max are distinct from the regular sizes.

1:12:20- Yes.

1:12:21- Okay, got it.

1:12:23- What was your first iPhone?

1:12:26Federico, we're gonna go over you for the first guess.

1:12:33- First iPhone.

1:12:34Original iPhone.

1:12:39- The original iPhone is in our top five list

1:12:45at number three, scoring Federico 30 points.

1:12:48- Okay.

1:12:52I'm gonna say the iPhone 3G.

1:12:57- iPhone 3G is the top answer,

1:13:00Steven, takes 50 points.

1:13:03I felt good about that because it was the one that was had a much broader sales base

1:13:10that first iPhone was only in a few countries officially.

1:13:17So Stephen said 3G.

1:13:19iPhone 3G.

1:13:21Yep.

1:13:22Okay.

1:13:23I'm gonna go with 3GS.

1:13:25The iPhone 3GS is also on the list scoring Federico 20 points.

1:13:29It is the fourth highest answer.

1:13:32You are still missing the second and fifth highest answer.

1:13:38I'm thinking about the iPhone's life cycle.

1:13:41I'm thinking about when were the big ones, you know, now that we have the early ones

1:13:44out of the way.

1:13:46And the biggest sales cycle was the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus.

1:13:52So I'm going to say iPhone 6.

1:13:54The iPhone 6 is not in the top five answers.

1:13:57You get no points.

1:13:59Oh no.

1:14:01I'm gonna go with iPhone 4.

1:14:10The iPhone 4 is the second highest answer.

1:14:13Yes.

1:14:14Netting 40 points for Federico.

1:14:21I want to just confirm something real quick because I've got a little lost in my scoring

1:14:25sheet.

1:14:26Federico, can you remind me the answers that you've given?

1:14:30original iPhone.

1:14:33- Yep.

1:14:33- Then I said 3GS.

1:14:35- That was the one I needed to check, sorry.

1:14:36Yeah, original iPhone, iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4.

1:14:39Sorry, just 'cause it says iPhone, it just threw me off.

1:14:43Like it's hard to match.

1:14:44So yes, Steven, you got the top answer on iPhone 3G.

1:14:48iPhone 4 was the second highest answer.

1:14:50Federico got that.

1:14:51Third highest answer was iPhone.

1:14:53Federico got that.

1:14:54The fourth highest answer was iPhone 3GS.

1:14:57Federico got that.

1:14:58There is one answer left on the board.

1:15:00Stephen, we go back to you.

1:15:01- I'm gonna say,

1:15:08first iPhone.

1:15:12I'm gonna stay with my thought before

1:15:15and I'm gonna say the iPhone 6 Plus.

1:15:18- iPhone 6 Plus is not in the top five answers.

1:15:22- Oh man. - Okay.

1:15:23- Federico, back to you. - Okay.

1:15:25I'm gonna do it.

1:15:29Okay. I'm gonna go with iPhone 10. iPhone 10 is not in the top five answers. Wow. Okay.

1:15:40I'm gonna go iPhone 5. iPhone 5 is not in the answers. Alright. We're gonna get one

1:15:51Well, guess each.

1:15:52iPhone 4S.

1:15:56iPhone 4S is the fifth highest answer, netting another 10 points for Federico.

1:16:04So just to run those through again, iPhone 3G was top, then iPhone 4, then iPhone, then iPhone 3GS

1:16:11and iPhone 4S.

1:16:12Very, very succinct.

1:16:15So the first five iPhones is in a different order.

1:16:18Yeah.

1:16:18or a bunch of early adopters.

1:16:20Can you round out the list?

1:16:22You know I can.

1:16:23So obviously we had iPhone 3G, iPhone, then iPhone 3G.

1:16:30Sorry, iPhone 4 is in there, whatever.

1:16:33After iPhone 4S, you've got iPhone 5, then iPhone 5S,

1:16:40iPhone 6S, iPhone 5C, then iPhone 7.

1:16:46What?

1:16:48- Yep, and then after the iPhone 7 is the iPhone SE.

1:16:51- So it's a bunch of phones in the beginning

1:16:55and then a bunch of lower cost phones.

1:16:57I guess that makes sense.

1:16:59- Yep. - Yeah.

1:17:00Go 5C.

1:17:01- iPhone 10 had six people.

1:17:04- Wow, six people.

1:17:05- iPhone 13 mini was one person,

1:17:08iPhone 11 Pro was one person.

1:17:11- All right.

1:17:12- It is interesting, like,

1:17:14basically from the iPhone 10 onwards,

1:17:17It's all single digit numbers.

1:17:18Yeah, I guess that makes sense with like the type of show we are and just what the

1:17:24iPhone has done, right?

1:17:25The big hockey stick growth is over for the phone.

1:17:30So as we finish the third question, Steven, you have 160 points.

1:17:36Federico, you have 280 points.

1:17:39Oh, 280 versus?

1:17:43Can you repeat that?

1:17:44OK, OK.

1:17:46That was a real rough round for Stephen there because Federico walked away with 100 points

1:17:53to Stephen's 50. But we're moving into another question. And this is, what operating system

1:18:01is the one that you use most today? And again, like the earlier operating system question,

1:18:09I'm looking for the overall OS name, not years, variations or unique names for OS versions.

1:18:16operating system is the one that you use most today.

1:18:20Let me get my P-Dice ready.

1:18:24Federico, your hands.

1:18:26- I'm hands, okay.

1:18:27- Joe, it says hands.

1:18:29- Okay.

1:18:30(laughing)

1:18:32- Thank you, Joe.

1:18:33- Okay.

1:18:35So Federico, you have the first answer

1:18:37for what is the operating system you use most today?

1:18:40- I really think it comes down to two choices

1:18:44and it comes down to what you consider use.

1:18:47- Should of.

1:18:48- Use most today.

1:18:54I'm gonna say iOS.

1:18:56- iOS is the second highest answer.

1:19:00- Yeah, okay.

1:19:01- Of 40 points for Federico.

1:19:03- All right, makes sense.

1:19:05- Boy, I just,

1:19:12I'm gonna say Mac OS. Mac OS is the top answer of 50 points. Yeah, it was either gonna be

1:19:27Mac OS or iOS, right? Because what I use, like, do I see it on my computer, but also

1:19:33I use my phone a lot. So it was also, like, the next answers are interesting, I think.

1:19:38And also, like, I think the interpretation of the operating system. I think some people

1:19:42might not even think of it. 46% of people answered Mac OS and 35.9% of people was iOS.

1:19:56So we have the top two.

1:19:57Top two.

1:19:58Hmm.

1:19:59Huh.

1:20:00Well, I'm going to say iPadOS.

1:20:12iPadOS.

1:20:14Do we have a bunch of people that follow in Federico's footsteps?

1:20:19We do.

1:20:20It is the fourth highest answer, giving Federico 20 points.

1:20:25That was 6.5% of people.

1:20:30So we have the third and fifth highest answer left on the board.

1:20:37I'm gonna say Windows.

1:20:39Windows is the third highest answer for Steven, getting him 30 points.

1:20:44So we have just the final answer on the board.

1:20:48Federico, we go to you.

1:20:51I'm gonna get weird, I think.

1:20:54And I'm gonna say watchOS.

1:20:57- Okay, so.

1:21:00Someone did answer this.

1:21:05I couldn't believe it.

1:21:06There was one person that said it.

1:21:08Obviously, this does not get you the fifth highest answer.

1:21:12Like Steven, I petition for this person to contact me

1:21:16because I need to understand you

1:21:17as a human being a little bit.

1:21:19(Steven laughing)

1:21:20- Watch OS?

1:21:21Like, you have a phone and you just never use it?

1:21:25Very confusing.

1:21:25- You're Kyle's the Great, you're always using your watch.

1:21:28- Somebody answered watch OS.

1:21:30Stephen, fifth highest answer is still in play.

1:21:34- So we have Mac OS, iOS.

1:21:39- Windows.

1:21:39- Windows.

1:21:40- I'm going to say...

1:21:48See it's hard. I'm gonna say Android just due to its size.

1:21:55Yeah?

1:21:56Mmm.

1:21:57No. Android had ten answers. Ten people said Android.

1:22:02Wow. Okay.

1:22:03Does not put it on the list.

1:22:05Um.

1:22:06I'm gonna give you one more guess each.

1:22:11Well. Okay.

1:22:15[Sigh]

1:22:17Okay, let's say that there's a bunch of programmers in our audience

1:22:23I'm gonna say a variation of Linux

1:22:26Linux is the fifth highest answer netting Federico another 10 points

1:22:32So Linux was

1:22:361.4%

1:22:41We also had Chrome OS.

1:22:43One person gave Chrome OS.

1:22:46There was one person who gave Watch OS

1:22:4810 people that gave iPad.

1:22:50There were only, uh...

1:22:53How many total?

1:22:54There were eight total operating systems

1:22:56that were given.

1:22:57So outside of the top five,

1:22:59which were Mac OS, iOS, Windows, iPad OS, and Linux,

1:23:02we then also had Android, Watch OS, and, uh, Chrome OS.

1:23:10At the end of that round, Federico has 350 points.

1:23:15Steven has 240 points.

1:23:17350 to 40. Okay.

1:23:20We have one last question for today.

1:23:23The question is, which computer do you use?

1:23:30Again, these are product classes, not model years, sizes, or variations of in a model,

1:23:35or by processor or anything like that.

1:23:37So similar to the way that we answered the first Apple product question.

1:23:42Yeah, but like, what is a computer?

1:23:44Yeah.

1:23:45One person said that I deleted their answer.

1:23:48It's not a funny joke.

1:23:53You said it, Zach put it in the Discord, someone put it in the thing.

1:23:57And I don't know, I was like three quarters of the way through manually

1:24:02checking 1,200 responses and, you know, funny answers.

1:24:07I don't want them, you know?

1:24:09I don't want them.

1:24:10So that one just, boop, straight delete.

1:24:12Uh, Stephen you're gonna be heads.

1:24:15Okay.

1:24:16Oh, that one has a reflip.

1:24:19It's tails.

1:24:21This is so creepy.

1:24:23James is so creepy.

1:24:24So Federico, you get the first ability to answer the question,

1:24:30"Which computer do you use?"

1:24:32Do you use?

1:24:35use? Which computer do you use? Today or the most? No, just which computer do you use?

1:24:42Exactly, which computer do you use? And we want product classes, but not years. Not years,

1:24:52not models, I don't want sizes or anything like that. Alright, alright.

1:24:56MacBook Pro. 50 points, top answer goes to Federico. This surprised me.

1:25:04me because it was 48% and I just found that interesting that it was the top answer because

1:25:14I don't you know I again I think this is a disproportional audience right to the to what's

1:25:19actually out there in the world so.

1:25:22Stephen MacBook Air.

1:25:24MacBook Air is the second highest answer and that gets Stephen 40 points.

1:25:32iMac

1:25:33iMac is the third highest answer.

1:25:36That gets Federico 30 points.

1:25:40Mac Mini.

1:25:43Mac Mini is the second highest, uh, fourth highest answer, getting

1:25:47Steven 20 points. Can you see my sheet now?

1:25:50Are we doing an accidental screen share?

1:25:52You've just gone like boom boom boom boom through all of them.

1:25:55So there's one left on the board.

1:25:57Yeah.

1:26:03- I'm torn between two.

1:26:05- There's only two left.

1:26:07(laughs)

1:26:08- Well.

1:26:09- No, there's one left. - I guess that's not true.

1:26:10- There's one left.

1:26:10- Well.

1:26:12- No?

1:26:13- Well.

1:26:13- There's at least two left. - There's one left.

1:26:16- No, I mean, in terms of options.

1:26:18- Oh. - I'm torn between

1:26:18two options.

1:26:19I'm gonna say iPad.

1:26:25- iPad is not the fifth highest answer.

1:26:29- Okay.

1:26:32My thought is we have...

1:26:37We have...

1:26:38Just to clarify, did you split between iPad and iPad Pro?

1:26:43Did I?

1:26:44Oh, damn it.

1:26:46I mean, I can't answer that question.

1:26:50Okay, okay.

1:26:51I'll answer that question afterwards.

1:26:53Okay, yeah.

1:26:54I should have said that.

1:26:58Okay.

1:27:00I was thinking in the Mac line, we have Mac studio, Mac pro, maybe the Mac book left.

1:27:08We have the Apple two, I guess maybe those people are still hanging out, but, but the

1:27:15iPad.

1:27:16So Federico said iPad, right?

1:27:18Yeah.

1:27:19All right.

1:27:20I'm going to play dirty and say iPad pro Steven.

1:27:25That is not in the top five answers.

1:27:27(laughing)

1:27:29- I don't know why you're laughing, iPad boy.

1:27:35- Yes, no, well, I'm happy because I tricked you

1:27:38into believing that you had an easy one on your plate.

1:27:42- Okay. - Okay.

1:27:44Then I'm gonna go with, again,

1:27:50slightly few developers in the audience, Mac Pro.

1:27:53- That is not the final answer.

1:27:56Hmm. Hmm. Huh. Okay. Interesting.

1:28:07What you got Steven?

1:28:08Mac Studio.

1:28:13Mac Studio is not the final answer. You're gonna get one more guess each now.

1:28:19Yeah, I'm gonna just say a PC. A Windows PC.

1:28:25The answer is custom built PC.

1:28:28Yeah.

1:28:29Federica will take the 10 points.

1:28:30Okay, yeah.

1:28:33So the top five answers were Macbook Pro, Macbook Air,

1:28:37iMac, Mac Mini, custom built PC.

1:28:40Going on from there, so custom built PC was 2%.

1:28:46There was also, we had, I said Mac Mini,

1:28:51Mac Studio came in just under the PC.

1:28:55iPad Pro was actually just over that.

1:28:5738 people used the iPad Pro.

1:29:0034 people use a Mac Studio.

1:29:03It was 43, who said some variation of a custom built PC.

1:29:08- That is close. - It was also 23 Dells,

1:29:1015 HPs, four Asus laptops, one Linux desktop,

1:29:15one Razer Blade, there was one Samsung Chromebook,

1:29:2011 people used the Surface, one person used the Pixelbook.

1:29:24Seven people were still holding on to the MacBook.

1:29:28- Yeah. - Nice.

1:29:30- Wow.

1:29:31- Five on a MacBook. - Macbook.

1:29:33- Okay.

1:29:34- 16 people used some version of a Lenovo ThinkPad.

1:29:38- Hey, if I were in Windows, I'd buy a ThinkPad.

1:29:41- There were nine iMac Pros still in use.

1:29:46I did count the iMac Pros separate to the iMac.

1:29:48I felt that was the right thing to do.

1:29:49- As a quick aside, I'm not sure there's a modern computer

1:29:54that makes me sadder than the iMac Pro

1:29:56because it was so good and now it's so gone.

1:30:00- Yeah, it was just one of them too.

1:30:02That's I think that's the saddest part,

1:30:03but I didn't even touch it.

1:30:05- One and done, baby.

1:30:06- So that is the end of round one of the connected quiz.

1:30:10The points stand thusly in this round,

1:30:14300 points to Steven, 440 points to Federico,

1:30:19So if we go over to the overall scoring now,

1:30:23Steven is at 312, Federico is at 451.

1:30:28- Okay, taking the lead baby.

1:30:32Here we go.

1:30:33- There will be in the future,

1:30:35three more rounds of Do You Know The Passionate Ones.

1:30:39I cannot tell you when they will occur.

1:30:42- Okay.

1:30:44- That is the end of my quiz for today.

1:30:46- All right, thank you, thank you, Myke.

1:30:48And thank you, passionate ones.

1:30:50Yeah.

1:30:50Thank you for playing and passionate ones.

1:30:52Thank you for, uh, participating except the person who said, what's a computer.

1:30:56You do not get my thanks.

1:30:58Except you.

1:30:58Except that person.

1:30:59Thank you.

1:31:00Thank you, Craig Federighi for answering next step as your operating system.

1:31:04Of choice.

1:31:05Yeah.

1:31:06Of choice.

1:31:06Yeah.

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1:32:50- So it's that time of year,

1:32:53which means that Federico Faticci is preparing

1:32:57and or working on the iOS review.

1:32:59So I wanted to kind of set the stage

1:33:01for connected listeners to kind of understand

1:33:03where you are right now.

1:33:04I'll tell you a few things I wanna know.

1:33:06I wanna know if you're continuing with Citian.

1:33:08I know you are struggling in the beta

1:33:11to actually get the thing to work.

1:33:13I want to know how you're feeling right now.

1:33:16And I also want to know if you're putting any kind of

1:33:21restrictions in place before you start the full writing.

1:33:24Like, are you limiting yourself in any way?

1:33:26These are some things I want to know.

1:33:30- Yeah, so I'm using Obsidian.

1:33:31I'm continuing to use Obsidian.

1:33:32I have tried to look elsewhere.

1:33:36And the short answer is that there's nothing else

1:33:38on the market right now that allows me to work

1:33:40as efficiently as Obsidian does.

1:33:43Just the things that I'm doing in terms of

1:33:46splitting my work between research,

1:33:48so notes, technical documentation,

1:33:52notes that I take during WWDC sessions,

1:33:55and in the same app, having the actual writing material

1:34:00for the chapters of the review.

1:34:02There's nothing else that lets me easily

1:34:04link back and forth and see backlinks.

1:34:07I mentioned this, I think, on App Stories and here before,

1:34:11but really seeing the backlinks for me

1:34:13possibly is even more important

1:34:15than just doing the internal linking.

1:34:19When I'm writing a chapter, being able to see,

1:34:22hey, you're writing the design chapter,

1:34:25this chapter is referenced in these other notes.

1:34:29Like, that is so valuable to me

1:34:31because it allows me to jump back and forth

1:34:34between the actual chapter that I will publish

1:34:37on the website and my private notes from either PDF documents that I saved from Apple's website

1:34:46or notes that I took during sessions. So having that two-way street between notes and the

1:34:52writing material is essential. And plus Obsidian lets me create my own plugins. And so I am

1:35:00I'm working once again after making last year a plugin to help me with the table of contents

1:35:07and markdown generation of the review.

1:35:11This year we're trying to make a plugin happen that will help me with screenshots, with image

1:35:18attachments.

1:35:19We're trying to speed up my work in terms of saving screenshots and turning those temporary

1:35:26screenshots into actual uploaded images on the Mac's source CDN. And Obsidian lets me

1:35:34do all this, right? So there's nothing else, even with the bugs that I've seen on iPad

1:35:38OS, actually I gotta check if Beta 3 fixes that, but I'm continuing to use that and I'm

1:35:44continuing to build on top of last year's system. If anything, I'm gonna make it better.

1:35:50Can I ask you a question about the screenshots thing? Because I want to see. Is it that like

1:35:54you can add the screenshots inline in the obsidian document and then they get uploaded in the background?

1:36:00What I want to do is I want to be able to add screenshots inline.

1:36:04And so when I say inline those will be local images, local in my file system.

1:36:11At some point, once I confirm that all those screenshots are okay to use for production,

1:36:19I will want a script that runs through an entire chapter and local image by local image

1:36:27turns each one into a public PNG link to the MacStory CDN.

1:36:34I used to do this manually one by one and I'm tired of doing that.

1:36:39So, but like in your Obsidian file, like you're writing and you just add an image and the image

1:36:44is you can see it.

1:36:46- Yes, I can see it.

1:36:47- And then you continue writing.

1:36:48And then the idea will be that like,

1:36:50it's doing them in the background.

1:36:51And I'm sure you then lay it out differently, right?

1:36:54Like using whatever it is that you do for your templates

1:36:57for the review itself.

1:36:58But the idea is it returns that link and just puts it there.

1:37:01So you can have everything visual,

1:37:03so you can be writing around the visuals.

1:37:05I can imagine, I can understand how that would

1:37:07not just speed up the process,

1:37:10but also just like make more sense visually to you

1:37:13as you're writing.

1:37:14- Yeah, exactly. - That's really cool, man.

1:37:16I can see why you like Obsidian.

1:37:18But speaking of that, you mentioned deadlines and you mentioned the special layouts.

1:37:24For reasons that will be clear soon enough, I think, time is very constrained for me this summer.

1:37:36And as it stands right now,

1:37:40I don't think I will have the time to give the review

1:37:43a special layout this year, unfortunately.

1:37:46My previous designer went to work at Apple.

1:37:49So obviously, they cannot work with them anymore.

1:37:52And I don't think, unfortunately,

1:37:55that given the things that we have going on at home

1:37:58right now, I don't think I will have the,

1:38:01not just the bandwidth,

1:38:02with, but like the actual time to deal with that.

1:38:06Speaking of that, the review will have,

1:38:13I sort of, I really wanted this to be true last year. If you remember, we,

1:38:18um,

1:38:19I said that the review was 30% shorter than the previous year.

1:38:24And I told you guys that the goal was to do that again.

1:38:27So another 30% shorter than the previous year.

1:38:32that will need to be true.

1:38:35It's just not that I want to.

1:38:37It'll have to be true,

1:38:38because otherwise the review's not gonna happen.

1:38:41Again, given the time constraints that I have,

1:38:43and it's all good things,

1:38:45we haven't shared them online yet.

1:38:48But given that I'm busy with the family,

1:38:50given that I'm busy at home,

1:38:52the review will need to be a shorter review,

1:38:55much more on the conversational side,

1:38:58much more on the perspective of the user

1:39:03rather than the developer.

1:39:05Obviously, you know me,

1:39:07I'm still gonna focus on the details,

1:39:09but I'm not gonna,

1:39:10again, we had this conversation last year.

1:39:13Most people don't care and don't enjoy

1:39:16reading about developer frameworks or APIs.

1:39:20- Hello, hello.

1:39:22(laughing)

1:39:23- You know, you know.

1:39:25- So less B coverage this year.

1:39:27Yes, let's be coverage.

1:39:29So the review will have to be a shorter review

1:39:33that I will write in a more compressed environment,

1:39:38time-wise, I think later in the summer,

1:39:43once things settle down.

1:39:45- What does 30% shorter actually mean?

1:39:48Like in numbers, like what does that roughly mean?

1:39:51- I think we're talking something in the range

1:39:53of 30 to 40,000 words.

1:39:55- Okay.

1:39:56to 30 to 35 would be excellent. Because realistically speaking, if I'm inspired, if I know what

1:40:03I'm doing, I can put together a 30,000 word story, which also is still a massive story,

1:40:11by the way. Like no one else is doing those kinds of reviews anymore. But it means that

1:40:19I will need to be smart about having separate articles during the summer on Mac Stories

1:40:27about features that I will not cover in my iOS review. And those that I will cover, I

1:40:34will need to... You know me, I like to talk, I like to write. If given the opportunity,

1:40:42I would just go on forever, you know? But that's not going to be possible this year.

1:40:48So I will, realistically speaking, I will start writing stuff very soon, even this week,

1:40:59and you're gonna start seeing articles, preview articles for separate features, standalone,

1:41:07like we do this every summer on Mac Stories, I guess starting at some point in July, and

1:41:14I think in August is when I will put in the majority of the work for the review.

1:41:21Again, not having the special design as much as it...

1:41:26Honestly, it sucks.

1:41:28You know, I'm just gonna say it sucks because I really care about this stuff.

1:41:32I guess if you...

1:41:34I don't know.

1:41:35It's the energy of finding a motion designer, finding a 3D artist.

1:41:43I just don't have the time. If you are one of those people, and you know what I'm talking

1:41:49about in terms of the iOS and iOS reviews that I do, get in touch with me, please. But

1:41:54it just, if I had to, if I have to seek out myself, someone, and spend time explaining

1:42:00what I'm looking for, I don't have the time for that. But I'm open, I'm open to emails,

1:42:05is what I'm saying.

1:42:06Yeah. If you've seen the kinds of intro animations that Federico's had before and you're like...

1:42:11- The special images, yeah.

1:42:13- And you're like, they're amazing,

1:42:15or I can do that, email them.

1:42:18- Yeah, or you can do better, or you can do better.

1:42:21Like, please get in touch.

1:42:23But at the moment, I don't have anybody.

1:42:25And I don't have time to go look for anybody myself.

1:42:28And yeah, so that's where I'm at right now.

1:42:32I know what the, I have the chapters,

1:42:35I know the structure of the review,

1:42:37I know which stories we're gonna have

1:42:38in the summer on the site.

1:42:40And it's just a matter of spending less time thinking about the work.

1:42:48Thankfully, I got Obsidian set up.

1:42:50This is also part of the reason why I don't want to use anything else.

1:42:53I have a system that I trust that lets me save time.

1:42:56I'm going to keep using that because I don't have time to switch.

1:42:59I don't have time to redo everything else.

1:43:01Also, I don't need to.

1:43:02It works well enough.

1:43:03And the rest of the review will keep building on top of the style

1:43:09that we, I almost think we collectively decided

1:43:14on the show last year that was better for everybody,

1:43:18better for me, better for the readers,

1:43:20which is detailed but approachable.

1:43:23That's what I'm going for.

1:43:26- More, it's more of a conversation than a lecture.

1:43:29- Yeah, also because like ultimately,

1:43:34I wanna make people happy, you know?

1:43:36I want to make myself happy with the work I produce,

1:43:39but I want to make people happy.

1:43:41Like I want to make something that is enjoyable.

1:43:43And that so striking that detailed,

1:43:47but approachable, friendly, and enjoyable is challenging,

1:43:51but I think I can make it happen

1:43:53and I will need to make it happen.

1:43:54So we'll see how it goes.

1:43:57- You got this.

1:43:58I'm looking forward to picking up with you in this

1:44:00in a few more weeks time,

1:44:01and we'll see where you go once the real down in the weeds.

1:44:05- I'm assuming like at this point you've been like watching

1:44:07videos, taking notes, some of that kind of stuff, right?

1:44:09Like that's kind of what you've been.

1:44:11- Yeah, yeah.

1:44:12And also like trying to use it,

1:44:16use iOS and iPadOS as much as for regular work.

1:44:22Like that's the most important part.

1:44:23Like just let me use it and then I will write.

1:44:26- All right, take us home, Steven.

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1:44:54recent vacation and then Federico and I blew Myke's mind with a very deep

1:44:59conversation about life, what it means to be a person. You can find us all online,

1:45:07you can find Federico on Twitter @Vittici, V-I-T-I-C-C-I, and he's the editor-in-chief

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