Connected

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00:00:02 ◼   ► Hello and welcome to Connected episode 400.

00:00:13 ◼   ► It's a big number.

00:00:14 ◼   ► It's made possible this week by Fitbod,

00:00:17 ◼   ► Memberful Electric and Capital One.

00:00:20 ◼   ► My name is Steven Hackett

00:00:21 ◼   ► and I have the pleasure of being joined by Mr. Myke Hurley.

00:00:24 ◼   ► - Hello.

00:00:25 ◼   ► - Hello.

00:00:26 ◼   ► - Oh, I'm excited.

00:00:28 ◼   ► I was tired before we started,

00:00:29 ◼   ► Pro Show was really weird and fun, get connected pro.co,

00:00:33 ◼   ► and now I'm super ready for the Ricky's.

00:00:35 ◼   ► I got my game face on.

00:00:36 ◼   ► - Are you joined by anybody?

00:00:38 ◼   ► - Oh, and I have to, oh.

00:00:39 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:00:40 ◼   ► I'm ready for the Ricky's, nothing else.

00:00:43 ◼   ► Nothing else.

00:00:44 ◼   ► And Federikivatici, hi Federico.

00:00:48 ◼   ► - Yes, hi.

00:00:49 ◼   ► - What do you think of that?

00:00:50 ◼   ► Federiki.

00:00:51 ◼   ► - I don't like it, I don't like it.

00:00:53 ◼   ► - But just for this episode though.

00:00:54 ◼   ► - No, you sound just like any other

00:00:56 ◼   ► American misspelling my name.

00:00:58 ◼   ► - Do you ever get Federico?

00:00:59 ◼   ► Does anyone ever call you Federico?

00:01:01 ◼   ► Yes, yes.

00:01:03 ◼   ► That happened.

00:01:04 ◼   ► Vittiki, Viriki, Verici.

00:01:07 ◼   ► Yeah, all flavors have happened of that.

00:01:10 ◼   ► We've mentioned this before.

00:01:11 ◼   ► The best thing is if Federico is ever quoted

00:01:14 ◼   ► in an Italian language article,

00:01:17 ◼   ► which he has been in the past,

00:01:19 ◼   ► if you run it through Google Translate,

00:01:21 ◼   ► it changes Federico's name to Frederic Tendrils,

00:01:24 ◼   ► which is one of my very favorite things of all time.

00:01:27 ◼   ► But I just wanted to say upfront,

00:01:29 ◼   ► that on this very special episode, the spirit of the Rickies came to me in a dream

00:01:36 ◼   ► Hey, it's my thing!

00:01:38 ◼   ► and it's guiding me toward a glorious, epic, romantic event victory

00:01:47 ◼   ► Before, just so I can take that train off the track for a minute

00:01:53 ◼   ► I will just say, before we all start fighting for the next two hours

00:01:57 ◼   ► This is our 400th episode, which in the grand scheme of things doesn't really mean much

00:02:02 ◼   ► because we did a whole bunch of episodes of another show before.

00:02:05 ◼   ► 57.

00:02:06 ◼   ► And it's not like an anniversary as such.

00:02:09 ◼   ► We actually have an anniversary in like a few weeks time.

00:02:12 ◼   ► I just want to say how much joy this show brings me and just to tell you that I love

00:02:16 ◼   ► working with both of you on this project.

00:02:18 ◼   ► Thank you.

00:02:19 ◼   ► Thank you.

00:02:20 ◼   ► I don't.

00:02:21 ◼   ► And now I'm going to burn you down to the ground.

00:02:23 ◼   ► Now you're going down.

00:02:25 ◼   ► It's a nice round number. Our nine year anniversary together is coming up, which is wild.

00:02:32 ◼   ► Is that a paper anniversary, right?

00:02:34 ◼   ► I think it is. There's something, yeah, something to that. Alumina foil.

00:02:38 ◼   ► It goes around again. So like eventually it's just going to go around again.

00:02:42 ◼   ► What, the paper anniversary?

00:02:43 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean you get enough of them, you're going to run out of things. Because paper's

00:02:46 ◼   ► usually first anniversary, but it's also... apparently it's pottery.

00:02:50 ◼   ► Oh!

00:02:51 ◼   ► Is what Matt's saying. I don't know if that's...

00:02:53 ◼   ► I'm gonna make y'all eat an ashtray in art class this week.

00:02:56 ◼   ► It's gonna be great.

00:02:57 ◼   ► I'm not gonna have a lot to do with an ashtray.

00:03:00 ◼   ► Can we do it together, but like in the scene from Ghost?

00:03:05 ◼   ► Okay.

00:03:06 ◼   ► I'll be one hand, Steven's the other hand, we're both wrapped around you.

00:03:10 ◼   ► That's how that's gonna work.

00:03:12 ◼   ► It's a pottery wraparound, guys, we're doing it.

00:03:16 ◼   ► What a shame that you're not gonna be in San Jose, because we could have done that, you

00:03:19 ◼   ► know?

00:03:20 ◼   ► Okay, see?

00:03:21 ◼   ► That's what you're missing.

00:03:22 ◼   ► This could be us, but you play.

00:03:23 ◼   ► Truly what we're missing.

00:03:24 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:03:26 ◼   ► If someone could make an image of that for us,

00:03:29 ◼   ► please send it to us.

00:03:30 ◼   ► No, if someone can do that,

00:03:31 ◼   ► they should unplug their computer

00:03:33 ◼   ► and throw it out the window.

00:03:34 ◼   ► If you're about to make that, don't.

00:03:37 ◼   ► No, I need it.

00:03:38 ◼   ► So you get in trouble.

00:03:40 ◼   ► We talked about connected fanfic a couple weeks ago.

00:03:43 ◼   ► So here we are.

00:03:44 ◼   ► But we didn't get any.

00:03:45 ◼   ► Not yet.

00:03:46 ◼   ► Which I'm not sure whether to take personally or not.

00:03:50 ◼   ► Well, you know, yeah.

00:03:51 ◼   ► Anyway, we've recorded this episode in advance.

00:03:54 ◼   ► This has ramifications for the Ricky's,

00:03:56 ◼   ► which we'll get into later on.

00:03:58 ◼   ► Just as like a, it's an important thing

00:04:00 ◼   ► to mention up front.

00:04:01 ◼   ► This episode was recorded on the 26th of May.

00:04:05 ◼   ► It's worth noting,

00:04:06 ◼   ► 'cause we already spoke about Connected Pro,

00:04:07 ◼   ► Connected Pro members got this episode early.

00:04:11 ◼   ► Just an additional bonus because we love our members.

00:04:13 ◼   ► We also love all of our listeners, but hey,

00:04:15 ◼   ► we're just, you know, pushing the Connected Pro right now.

00:04:17 ◼   ► - I mean, regular listeners got it a few hours earlier

00:04:20 ◼   ► on the regular day.

00:04:22 ◼   ► - So everyone gets it early, you know?

00:04:23 ◼   ► Steven, you're kind, you're very kind to do that.

00:04:26 ◼   ► - Thank you.

00:04:27 ◼   ► - And yeah, and if you listen live to the show

00:04:29 ◼   ► in our member Discord or just on our website,

00:04:31 ◼   ► you got it even earlier than everybody else.

00:04:33 ◼   ► - That's true, and if you were in the document

00:04:35 ◼   ► before we started recording,

00:04:37 ◼   ► you saw what was gonna happen before we recorded it at all.

00:04:40 ◼   ► - Yeah, and if you were there for our rehearsal

00:04:42 ◼   ► that we do before every episode,

00:04:44 ◼   ► where we do the entire show, and then we do it again,

00:04:47 ◼   ► you heard it even earlier than everyone else.

00:04:48 ◼   ► - Well, you and I do it, Federico since the stand-in,

00:04:50 ◼   ► Which I find a little insulting.

00:04:52 ◼   ► - But it's nice to talk to the one true John every week.

00:04:55 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:04:57 ◼   ► - Interesting.

00:05:00 ◼   ► - If you just show up for rehearsal at some point,

00:05:03 ◼   ► then it wouldn't be a problem.

00:05:05 ◼   ► - Rehearsals, interesting.

00:05:06 ◼   ► Interesting idea for a podcast.

00:05:09 ◼   ► So yeah, 400 episodes.

00:05:11 ◼   ► Somehow people are still listening to us.

00:05:13 ◼   ► Thank you very much.

00:05:14 ◼   ► Yeah, that's it.

00:05:15 ◼   ► We love you.

00:05:16 ◼   ► Most of you.

00:05:17 ◼   ► - So this is the Ricky's episode

00:05:20 ◼   ► where we do our predictions to WWDC.

00:05:22 ◼   ► As we stand here on the 26th of May, there are no rumors.

00:05:26 ◼   ► There's nothing.

00:05:27 ◼   ► - Yes, yes, this is the necessary context for this game.

00:05:31 ◼   ► - And I've got to say, considering how close we are now,

00:05:33 ◼   ► we're like, what, a week and a half away?

00:05:35 ◼   ► Kind of hope it stays that way, but I don't think it will.

00:05:38 ◼   ► But as it's right now,

00:05:39 ◼   ► there's no reports of really anything.

00:05:42 ◼   ► There's not been any big Bloomberg article,

00:05:44 ◼   ► no big nine to five Mac article, no Mac rumors, nothing.

00:05:47 ◼   ► Right, no one's reporting on,

00:05:49 ◼   ► "Hey, we got this stolen build of iOS 25

00:05:52 ◼   ► "and we're gonna tell you all the features in it."

00:05:54 ◼   ► None of that's happening.

00:05:55 ◼   ► There's little bits and bobs

00:05:56 ◼   ► that we might talk about later on,

00:05:58 ◼   ► but nothing that I think seems like super credible

00:06:03 ◼   ► in the way that we would normally say.

00:06:06 ◼   ► Where like, according to people familiar with the matter,

00:06:09 ◼   ► iOS 16's gonna get wallpaper packs or whatever, you know?

00:06:12 ◼   ► - The people said.

00:06:14 ◼   ► - I heard square watch sides.

00:06:17 ◼   ► - You're gonna talk about that at WWDC?

00:06:19 ◼   ► - Oh man, that's my Ricky pic.

00:06:21 ◼   ► Flat-sided watch.

00:06:22 ◼   ► - The lack of rumors is interesting.

00:06:26 ◼   ► I wouldn't say, I don't think it's concerning

00:06:28 ◼   ► because obviously they are announcing something.

00:06:31 ◼   ► I think honestly, they're just doing a better job than ever

00:06:34 ◼   ► at locking down the software leaks.

00:06:37 ◼   ► I can't say the same for hardware

00:06:39 ◼   ► because we basically know what the iPhone 14 line

00:06:41 ◼   ► is gonna look like already, but that's a different thing.

00:06:44 ◼   ► I think with software, they have improved.

00:06:47 ◼   ► You know that if the last minute leaks happen,

00:06:51 ◼   ► and they always happen, and when they do,

00:06:53 ◼   ► it's usually because you've reached the point

00:06:56 ◼   ► where the information has been given

00:07:01 ◼   ► to departments like PR and marketing,

00:07:04 ◼   ► and it's in a lot of different hands internationally.

00:07:09 ◼   ► That's the thing, because when Apple announces iOS 16

00:07:13 ◼   ► on Monday, and the press release goes out 20 minutes later,

00:07:17 ◼   ► and it's already been localized in 50 different languages.

00:07:20 ◼   ► That means that press release went out 10 days before

00:07:23 ◼   ► or two weeks before to a bunch of Apple departments

00:07:27 ◼   ► and offices all around the globe.

00:07:28 ◼   ► And so it just--

00:07:29 ◼   ► - Website builds, right?

00:07:30 ◼   ► Like here's the iOS website.

00:07:32 ◼   ► - And website builds and localizing the website

00:07:36 ◼   ► and making sure that those localizations are correct.

00:07:38 ◼   ► And some of these people, they are contractors.

00:07:41 ◼   ► And I know because I've known some of these people

00:07:43 ◼   ► that were contracting jobs to translate for Apple, right?

00:07:47 ◼   ► So it's bound to happen that this last minute leaks.

00:07:51 ◼   ► Some of these folks are like, oh, this is fun.

00:07:53 ◼   ► I'm going to tell it to my guy who works at 925 Mac

00:07:55 ◼   ► or something.

00:07:56 ◼   ► So they're going to happen, but not right now,

00:08:01 ◼   ► which used to be that months before,

00:08:04 ◼   ► Gorman would have the info, because maybe there

00:08:06 ◼   ► were people on the inside actually working on the thing,

00:08:10 ◼   ► telling Gurman and other folks, you know, some details.

00:08:14 ◼   ► Now we don't have that luxury anymore for our game here,

00:08:17 ◼   ► which makes things tricky for us, but also fun.

00:08:22 ◼   ► - I'm excite, I mean, I honestly,

00:08:24 ◼   ► I hope it stays this way because like,

00:08:26 ◼   ► I like to be surprised by W2WDC, right?

00:08:29 ◼   ► Like it's fun.

00:08:30 ◼   ► It's the, this is what I enjoy.

00:08:32 ◼   ► I hope it stays this way.

00:08:33 ◼   ► I think at this point it does feel like way less than normal,

00:08:37 ◼   ► but maybe I'm misremembering.

00:08:39 ◼   ► it is less than normal I think. I think you're right. Yeah that's the context for

00:08:44 ◼   ► for this game and I think we're all I think already right? Just like last thing

00:08:50 ◼   ► can you imagine if like they got all the developers there and they're like hey

00:08:53 ◼   ► we're so happy you made it we decided this year we'd just do the bash like

00:08:58 ◼   ► there's nothing else and like and they just bring out like Harry Styles and

00:09:03 ◼   ► then that's that. Well they're keeping him prisoner at Apple Park. Yeah Apple Music

00:09:08 ◼   ► Yeah, he lives inside of Apple Music now.

00:09:10 ◼   ► [Laughter]

00:09:12 ◼   ► He's chained to a post in Eddy Cue's basement.

00:09:16 ◼   ► Oh, God.

00:09:17 ◼   ► And Zane Lowe brings in water and food every once in a while, and that's it.

00:09:21 ◼   ► Yeah.

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00:11:50 ◼   ► - It's time to read the rules.

00:11:52 ◼   ► - The rules.

00:11:52 ◼   ► (air horn blaring)

00:11:54 ◼   ► - Wow.

00:11:55 ◼   ► So I bring a new level of hype for the game.

00:11:59 ◼   ► I was running around my studio during the ad trying to find that.

00:12:03 ◼   ► [Laughter]

00:12:04 ◼   ► All right.

00:12:07 ◼   ► So we're standing, right?

00:12:08 ◼   ► Uh-huh.

00:12:09 ◼   ► Not yet.

00:12:10 ◼   ► Okay.

00:12:11 ◼   ► Not yet.

00:12:12 ◼   ► Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry.

00:12:13 ◼   ► There's a preamble first.

00:12:14 ◼   ► The Rickies is a game connected hosts play before Apple keynotes in the beginning of

00:12:18 ◼   ► a new year trying to predict future events.

00:12:21 ◼   ► It is made up of three rounds.

00:12:23 ◼   ► Each host makes two regular picks followed by a risky pick.

00:12:28 ◼   ► There are two types of rookies, annual rookies, aka the Annie's, and keynote rookies.

00:12:35 ◼   ► That's what we're playing today.

00:12:36 ◼   ► The winner of the annual rookies is named the annual chairman.

00:12:40 ◼   ► That doesn't matter today.

00:12:42 ◼   ► The keynote rookies winner is named the keynote chairman and retains the rights to the corresponding

00:12:46 ◼   ► Twitter account until the next keynote is held.

00:12:49 ◼   ► After the rookies, the hosts then play a game called the flexies.

00:12:53 ◼   ► These two games have separate but related rules.

00:12:56 ◼   ► Please stand for the reading of the rules.

00:13:05 ◼   ► Correct regular picks are awarded one point.

00:13:08 ◼   ► The language used for regular picks must be finalized and agreed upon during recording

00:13:13 ◼   ► and no partial points may be awarded.

00:13:16 ◼   ► Correct risky picks are worth two points, but wrong ones will cause a point to be deducted

00:13:20 ◼   ► from that host's total.

00:13:23 ◼   ► Pics must have been approved as risky by the two other hosts before the start of the game.

00:13:29 ◼   ► Pics made for keynote rookies cannot be reused by the host who made them for the next keynote.

00:13:34 ◼   ► The annual rookies have their own subset of rules.

00:13:38 ◼   ► They don't matter today.

00:13:39 ◼   ► All hosts are allowed to reuse picks previously made by others.

00:13:44 ◼   ► Scoring is completed during recording and cannot be modified once an episode is complete.

00:13:50 ◼   ► In the event of a tie, dice by PCalc must be used in Relay FM mode to pick a winner.

00:13:58 ◼   ► Jason Snell has a lifetime ban on flipping coins in relation to the rookies.

00:14:02 ◼   ► Coin "flips" by Jason on other podcasts are allowed but are frowned upon and subject

00:14:09 ◼   ► to public shaming.

00:14:11 ◼   ► For keynote rookies, the scoring window starts when the event begins and closes when the

00:14:15 ◼   ► picks are scored.

00:14:17 ◼   ► Any information used in scoring must be publicly verifiable at the time of recording.

00:14:23 ◼   ► The order of picks is set by the previous performance.

00:14:25 ◼   ► The winner of the previous associated game goes first.

00:14:29 ◼   ► The previous loser goes last.

00:14:32 ◼   ► Winners will be recognized during the closing ceremonies.

00:14:35 ◼   ► As a reminder, I am the current annual chairman and Federico is the current keynote chairman.

00:14:40 ◼   ► Past results can be seen at rookies.co and rookies.net.

00:14:44 ◼   ► These sites also have pages about managing your own scorekeeping at home.

00:14:49 ◼   ► You may be seated.

00:14:50 ◼   ► Now that's the first time with the new rules.

00:14:52 ◼   ► New rules have a different energy to the old rules.

00:14:55 ◼   ► It feels more formal.

00:14:56 ◼   ► It does feel more formal.

00:14:58 ◼   ► We're gonna try these new rules on for size in this game, see how we feel about them.

00:15:03 ◼   ► Yeah, I don't have any suggested changes, but maybe some will come up.

00:15:06 ◼   ► Yeah, you never know.

00:15:07 ◼   ► You never know.

00:15:08 ◼   ► There might be some crimes.

00:15:10 ◼   ► AKA the Annie's.

00:15:12 ◼   ► That really got you, didn't it?

00:15:13 ◼   ► Hey, Dale, I forget every time.

00:15:15 ◼   ► Anis is good. Anis is good. I like it.

00:15:18 ◼   ► Should we do round one?

00:15:20 ◼   ► Okay. So the order of the regular picks is me, Steve and Myke.

00:15:26 ◼   ► Mm-hmm.

00:15:27 ◼   ► So I'm going first. So this is my first pick for the WWDC 2022 RIKIs.

00:15:33 ◼   ► Okay. My first pick is...

00:15:37 ◼   ► This is a big lead-up!

00:15:39 ◼   ► The next version of iOS brings changes to notifications.

00:15:43 ◼   ► Wow, I'm not sure the hype was worth that.

00:15:46 ◼   ► Yeah, I know, but that's how you play and win the game, as was suggested to me by the

00:15:51 ◼   ► spirit of the rookies.

00:15:52 ◼   ► The spirit of the rookies is not a passionate spirit.

00:15:55 ◼   ► The spirit of the rookies, first of all, is a person.

00:15:58 ◼   ► I had this dream of a person close to us who whispered things to me about the rookies.

00:16:05 ◼   ► What?

00:16:06 ◼   ► Was it Jason?

00:16:08 ◼   ► No.

00:16:09 ◼   ► So the next version of iOS brings changes to notifications.

00:16:11 ◼   ► Now, non-graded, I want to add some context around this pick to explain what I think we're

00:16:18 ◼   ► going to get.

00:16:19 ◼   ► So first of all, I think we're going to get a new design.

00:16:22 ◼   ► I think the current design of the notifications, like the banners that come in at the top of

00:16:28 ◼   ► the screen, and the long list of these rectangular notifications in Notification Center, is boring,

00:16:37 ◼   ► It's got to be something else.

00:16:40 ◼   ► I mean, there has to be another way

00:16:41 ◼   ► to group those notifications together.

00:16:44 ◼   ► And I feel like, so we're gonna get a new look

00:16:47 ◼   ► maybe before the notification itself,

00:16:49 ◼   ► maybe a new look for the buttons,

00:16:52 ◼   ► for like the actions that you can perform on notification.

00:16:56 ◼   ► - So you're including this just a simple design change

00:17:00 ◼   ► or are you after like structural change?

00:17:03 ◼   ► Or I guess either.

00:17:04 ◼   ► - Either. - I guess anything.

00:17:05 ◼   ► Anything. - Anything.

00:17:06 ◼   ► - Any change to notifications-- - That's pretty broad.

00:17:08 ◼   ► - Well, I mean, yeah,

00:17:10 ◼   ► that's what you do in a regular big--

00:17:12 ◼   ► - That's true. - But for additional context--

00:17:13 ◼   ► - That's true, I mean, yeah, I'm not, I'm not.

00:17:14 ◼   ► - I also think the more important part here

00:17:18 ◼   ► is the management of notifications.

00:17:20 ◼   ► - That's just what I want more.

00:17:22 ◼   ► I don't care about the design.

00:17:23 ◼   ► I just want to always have new tools

00:17:25 ◼   ► to manage my notifications.

00:17:26 ◼   ► - I don't think, I don't think they quite nailed

00:17:31 ◼   ► how you can manage notifications.

00:17:33 ◼   ► The notification summary is a good idea,

00:17:36 ◼   ► but it needs to be expanded.

00:17:37 ◼   ► It needs to do more.

00:17:38 ◼   ► It needs to be more customizable.

00:17:40 ◼   ► You need to be able to create multiple summaries containing

00:17:44 ◼   ► different apps.

00:17:45 ◼   ► And also, I still find it confusing

00:17:49 ◼   ► that apps can group related notifications together,

00:17:56 ◼   ► but I cannot have groups created by me.

00:18:02 ◼   ► And Android had this years ago with the thing called channels,

00:18:05 ◼   ► I think, and it also didn't go well

00:18:08 ◼   ► because Google did that feature

00:18:09 ◼   ► then they never iterated on it, I think.

00:18:12 ◼   ► But basically, like I wanna be able to create my,

00:18:14 ◼   ► like I can create my own focus modes.

00:18:17 ◼   ► I think the system should offer

00:18:19 ◼   ► some better grouping by default.

00:18:22 ◼   ► But then I also wanna do, okay,

00:18:24 ◼   ► these are, I don't know, club notifications.

00:18:27 ◼   ► And it's like emails from MailChimp

00:18:30 ◼   ► and notifications from this particular Discord

00:18:33 ◼   ► and notifications from this particular iMessage thread.

00:18:36 ◼   ► I wanna have those controls,

00:18:38 ◼   ► because right now all I get is a simple list.

00:18:42 ◼   ► And it's impossible, like once you go,

00:18:45 ◼   ► once you get over like 20 alerts in Notification Center,

00:18:50 ◼   ► I never bother to manage them.

00:18:52 ◼   ► It's just, I just, you know,

00:18:54 ◼   ► I'm giving up and I'm clearing all notifications.

00:18:57 ◼   ► So I don't know what I want,

00:18:59 ◼   ► but I know that I want something more than this.

00:19:02 ◼   ► Yeah, I'm not totally able to speak.

00:19:05 ◼   ► I want this stuff.

00:19:06 ◼   ► How confident do I feel about it?

00:19:08 ◼   ► Not very confident.

00:19:09 ◼   ► I feel like I've asked for some version of this

00:19:12 ◼   ► for like the last seven years, right?

00:19:14 ◼   ► Like better notification management.

00:19:17 ◼   ► But I guess the ray of hope was last year

00:19:23 ◼   ► that they actually seemed like

00:19:25 ◼   ► that they were trying some stuff, right?

00:19:26 ◼   ► With focus modes, time sensitive notifications,

00:19:29 ◼   ► all that kind of stuff.

00:19:31 ◼   ► I think that Apple took it in some not great directions.

00:19:34 ◼   ► I really don't like that they removed the deliver quietly option on notifications.

00:19:40 ◼   ► I just really liked that as an option.

00:19:41 ◼   ► What?

00:19:42 ◼   ► You only forgot about that.

00:19:43 ◼   ► I love that option.

00:19:44 ◼   ► Where is it gone?

00:19:45 ◼   ► Yeah, you have to go into settings and manually recreate it by unchecking and like making

00:19:50 ◼   ► specific choices.

00:19:53 ◼   ► So what used to say deliver quietly and then it would just, it would only send them to

00:19:57 ◼   ► the notification center when you pulled up and it wouldn't give you anything else.

00:20:01 ◼   ► you can still get that, but you have to go into notification settings and turn it off

00:20:07 ◼   ► in certain ways.

00:20:08 ◼   ► No banners, only in notification settings and not on the lock screen, I think is the

00:20:14 ◼   ► incantation you need.

00:20:16 ◼   ► But that deliver quietly setting was removed, I think because of time sensitive or whatever.

00:20:24 ◼   ► Things like that, I thought that was a really great feature and it was something I used

00:20:27 ◼   ► to use a lot because I've always enjoyed that since they added it of like I have

00:20:31 ◼   ► my notifications that I can just see on my lock screen but then if I need more

00:20:34 ◼   ► of them or if I don't want to see other things that might be happening I can

00:20:39 ◼   ► pull it up and I can see other stuff right that's below but so yeah it's a

00:20:44 ◼   ► shame but I would love to see more notification stuff just in general that

00:20:51 ◼   ► would be so good. All right I'm up next and I'm gonna say widgets gain

00:20:56 ◼   ► interactivity. We had this in the old style of widgets. Remember, our friend James tried

00:21:02 ◼   ► to shove a calculator into a widget and then Apple banned him from the App Store. And then

00:21:07 ◼   ► we got new widgets a couple of years ago, and they look amazing, and they can do all

00:21:11 ◼   ► these things. But they you can't carve out individual sections as like individual buttons.

00:21:19 ◼   ► You can't, for instance, have a text field, you know, I would like a widget that just

00:21:23 ◼   ► like lets me type something into a specific note

00:21:27 ◼   ► in Apple Notes, or if you're into Obsidian,

00:21:29 ◼   ► maybe something there, and you can't do it.

00:21:32 ◼   ► You can deep link into sections of apps,

00:21:35 ◼   ► but you don't have real interactivity.

00:21:38 ◼   ► I'd love to be able to stop and start timers

00:21:40 ◼   ► and timery from a widget without having to open the app.

00:21:44 ◼   ► All of these things would be so awesome,

00:21:47 ◼   ► and the widget technology,

00:21:52 ◼   ► think like way under the hood it's kind of based on similar things as like

00:21:55 ◼   ► complications on the Apple watch yeah but with like the timeline data and that

00:22:00 ◼   ► sort of thing but it's time for them to to mature past that and really become

00:22:06 ◼   ► kind of like little applications that are running all the time this would be

00:22:11 ◼   ► so welcome on all platforms I'd be great on the phone we go on the iPad it'd be

00:22:16 ◼   ► especially great on the Mac and it's just such a shame that these things are

00:22:21 ◼   ► they're basically just pretty billboards. I love them, I have a bunch of widgets on

00:22:26 ◼   ► all my devices, but I really want more. I really want to be able to quickly do

00:22:31 ◼   ► tasks, especially on the iPhone, without having to open and dig through an

00:22:35 ◼   ► application. So how do we, how do we qualify, like how do we recognize

00:22:41 ◼   ► interactivity here? I mean you have to be able to tap something on the widget and

00:22:46 ◼   ► and it does something about opening the application, right?

00:22:50 ◼   ► - Here's a few suggestions here,

00:22:52 ◼   ► because if you just say widgets gain interactivity,

00:22:55 ◼   ► there's already a couple of instances

00:22:58 ◼   ► in which Apple widgets are interactive on the home screen,

00:23:02 ◼   ► like shortcuts and contacts of all widgets.

00:23:06 ◼   ► The contacts-- - Contacts?

00:23:07 ◼   ► - Contacts is an interactive widget

00:23:10 ◼   ► in that if you tap the contact picture

00:23:13 ◼   ► in the widget on your home screen,

00:23:15 ◼   ► it opens a window with the contact card

00:23:18 ◼   ► on your home screen. - Wow.

00:23:20 ◼   ► - So that's a private API.

00:23:22 ◼   ► So I think first of all,

00:23:24 ◼   ► I think what Steven means here is third-party widgets.

00:23:28 ◼   ► - Yes, and I can even,

00:23:31 ◼   ► I guess I probably should clarify that.

00:23:34 ◼   ► - Yeah, I mean, we knew what you meant, but you know.

00:23:36 ◼   ► - Yeah, I meant third-party widgets

00:23:38 ◼   ► because I mean, my word that contacts widget is wild.

00:23:42 ◼   ► Like what, how did that happen?

00:23:44 ◼   ► I didn't even know that existed, man.

00:23:46 ◼   ► All right, Laura, I blanked out on my brain.

00:23:49 ◼   ► While we're talking about contacts,

00:23:50 ◼   ► I would like to air a frustration I have.

00:23:52 ◼   ► - Please. - You know like when you click

00:23:53 ◼   ► on someone's contact card or like in messages

00:23:56 ◼   ► where you like tap the thing and you tap little I

00:23:58 ◼   ► to bring up the things you can call someone,

00:24:00 ◼   ► you know, that you get like call, message.

00:24:01 ◼   ► - Oh my God, yes, yes, I know where you're going.

00:24:04 ◼   ► - Why does it never remember which one I want?

00:24:06 ◼   ► - When you try, there's something that always happens to me.

00:24:09 ◼   ► When you try to copy a phone number from contacts

00:24:14 ◼   ► and you long press, the copy button doesn't come up,

00:24:18 ◼   ► but it accidentally registers your touch

00:24:21 ◼   ► as a tap on the phone number and it starts a phone call.

00:24:24 ◼   ► - All I was saying is,

00:24:26 ◼   ► all of that contact card stuff is terrible.

00:24:28 ◼   ► But like, I just don't understand, right?

00:24:30 ◼   ► Like I only ever want to use FaceTime audio

00:24:32 ◼   ► to call basically everyone in my life

00:24:34 ◼   ► 'cause it's better than a phone call.

00:24:36 ◼   ► But sometimes it does that

00:24:37 ◼   ► and sometimes it doesn't do that.

00:24:39 ◼   ► And sometimes like,

00:24:40 ◼   ► like this is the thing I do not understand, right?

00:24:42 ◼   ► So like, but having a Cividino, right?

00:24:43 ◼   ► like I'd maybe try and call her and face somebody or whatever.

00:24:46 ◼   ► And then sometimes it like calls an international phone number

00:24:49 ◼   ► that's in her contact, like her contact card.

00:24:51 ◼   ► Like, why are you doing this?

00:24:53 ◼   ► Like, why are you doing this?

00:24:54 ◼   ► I only ever want to do one thing.

00:24:56 ◼   ► And it's like the button just always says call.

00:24:59 ◼   ► And it's like, you'll find out what happens when you tap it.

00:25:02 ◼   ► That's tangent number one.

00:25:03 ◼   ► Tangent number two, thinking about widgets,

00:25:05 ◼   ► made me think about Widget Smith.

00:25:07 ◼   ► And I'm not sure if I've just realized

00:25:09 ◼   ► this for the first time, but like Widget Smith,

00:25:13 ◼   ► It's like blacksmith, right? Like you are making widgets.

00:25:16 ◼   ► Yeah. Yeah, that was the wordplay.

00:25:18 ◼   ► I mean, I'm just like, well, that's David's name, you know?

00:25:21 ◼   ► That's also why it's, that's why the joke is funny in multiple ways.

00:25:24 ◼   ► No, I know I get it now, right? Like now I get it.

00:25:27 ◼   ► But I think it's taken me this long to get that.

00:25:30 ◼   ► Woo!

00:25:30 ◼   ► I'm just like, oh, it's like Dave.

00:25:32 ◼   ► So, third party widgets.

00:25:34 ◼   ► Look, you know, I never, I never claimed to be smart, you know?

00:25:41 ◼   ► No, no, no, but like I had many moments like this in my life.

00:25:46 ◼   ► I don't know if I told you guys before, but I only realized when I was 18 that the word

00:25:52 ◼   ► Christian comes from Christ.

00:25:55 ◼   ► I realized that when I was 18.

00:25:57 ◼   ► So I totally get it.

00:25:58 ◼   ► You're realizing what words mean at a certain age.

00:26:02 ◼   ► So third party widgets gain interactivity.

00:26:05 ◼   ► I think like we'll know it when we see it, what interactivity is like, because otherwise

00:26:10 ◼   ► if you try to nail this down with specifics like "oh do you mean that you can tap into a text field

00:26:16 ◼   ► and it shows the keyboard?" or "do you mean that you can tap buttons?" like yes to all of that,

00:26:20 ◼   ► so let's just say interactivity and be done with that. It feels like an easy one to judge, right,

00:26:25 ◼   ► because it's going to be something that widgets can't currently do for third parties. And if I

00:26:30 ◼   ► had to guess, the keyboard access will not be on the table for these. I think at most we can hope

00:26:36 ◼   ► for "hey you can have individual buttons that do individual things and they don't

00:26:41 ◼   ► always have to open the app when they're tapped on."

00:26:44 ◼   ► wouldn't be surprised if it was like if you make one of these five types of

00:26:48 ◼   ► applications yeah oh gosh yeah now no no have this Syrian tent and this Syrian

00:26:54 ◼   ► tent will allow you to do the thing those are the worst ways they do things

00:27:00 ◼   ► my pick my first pick is no dedicated AR VR MR however you want to call it

00:27:07 ◼   ► hardware is introduced at WWDC hmm a negative pick yeah okay so no hardware

00:27:16 ◼   ► like no introduction which means they're not doing it no hardware then I don't

00:27:22 ◼   ► believe they're gonna show off a headset at WWDC right like is what I'm saying I

00:27:27 ◼   ► I don't know if there's a better way to phrase it,

00:27:30 ◼   ► but I think you know what I'm saying, right?

00:27:31 ◼   ► Like this headset that's been rumored so heavily

00:27:34 ◼   ► that's gonna be Apple's first foray

00:27:36 ◼   ► into this mixed reality world.

00:27:38 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:27:39 ◼   ► - At this WWDC, we're not gonna see that hardware.

00:27:42 ◼   ► - What if, I'm just gonna throw this out there.

00:27:46 ◼   ► I don't think this is happening,

00:27:47 ◼   ► but let's just say there's an update to the iPad Pro at WWDC.

00:27:52 ◼   ► And in addition to the LiDAR sensor,

00:27:56 ◼   ► there's now some sort of new sensor on the back for AR.

00:28:00 ◼   ► - Well, that's why it's dedicated.

00:28:02 ◼   ► - But it is dedicated,

00:28:03 ◼   ► just that little sensor is dedicated.

00:28:05 ◼   ► - Okay, no device.

00:28:07 ◼   ► - I feel like if you're saying headset,

00:28:09 ◼   ► you should say headset.

00:28:10 ◼   ► - Okay, I mean like, but sure, I mean, I was just,

00:28:15 ◼   ► I didn't say headset, so it would be easier to,

00:28:18 ◼   ► I thought it would be easier.

00:28:19 ◼   ► No headset is introduced.

00:28:21 ◼   ► There you go, happy with that?

00:28:23 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:28:24 ◼   ► - No headset.

00:28:25 ◼   ► - Now they're gonna make a Bluetooth headset

00:28:26 ◼   ► you will lose. I don't think that's gonna happen. If Apple makes another Bluetooth headset

00:28:30 ◼   ► something terrible is happening. Yeah man that first one was so bad. I wanted it but

00:28:34 ◼   ► I couldn't buy it when I got my original iPhone because all the systems went down in

00:28:39 ◼   ► a corporate warehouse in the UK and I had to pay them cash which is something you weren't

00:28:42 ◼   ► supposed to be able to do but I still walked out of an iPhone but I couldn't take out

00:28:45 ◼   ► enough cash to also buy the headset which really was a benefit for me you know. Yeah

00:28:50 ◼   ► I don't think there's gonna be a headset. I think that may have been possible that they

00:28:54 ◼   ► they were gonna show it off at this WWDC,

00:28:56 ◼   ► but I think all of the reports and rumors

00:28:58 ◼   ► seem to be indicating that they won't do it.

00:29:00 ◼   ► I still stand by what I've been saying,

00:29:02 ◼   ► I think for like a year now, which is,

00:29:04 ◼   ► I never think that this would be shown at WWDC,

00:29:07 ◼   ► it doesn't make sense to me,

00:29:08 ◼   ► like give it its own 90 minute presentation, right?

00:29:11 ◼   ► Like do the whole thing,

00:29:13 ◼   ► 'cause you can announce it six months before you ship it.

00:29:15 ◼   ► Like there is no reason to show this off now

00:29:18 ◼   ► and get developers working on it now,

00:29:20 ◼   ► if you're just gonna ship it in September or whatever.

00:29:23 ◼   ► like you show it off, give it like a good three to six months,

00:29:26 ◼   ► just like the Apple watch, let people build their apps for it,

00:29:29 ◼   ► build their experiences for it, invite people down to your new developer center

00:29:33 ◼   ► so they can try out the hardware like, and just roll with it that way.

00:29:37 ◼   ► Like this feels to me like either, I mean,

00:29:39 ◼   ► they could either do it with the iPhone or just do it on its own.

00:29:43 ◼   ► And that's how I think it's going to happen.

00:29:44 ◼   ► But I don't think they're going to try and squeeze this into a WWDC keynote.

00:29:49 ◼   ► It doesn't seem like it's necessary to me.

00:29:52 ◼   ► I have a problem with the way this pick is phrased.

00:29:54 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:29:55 ◼   ► - Because if you say is introduced

00:29:58 ◼   ► and if they only do a teaser, then you could say,

00:30:00 ◼   ► well, it's not an introduction, it's a teaser.

00:30:03 ◼   ► - Seen, no headset is seen.

00:30:07 ◼   ► You happy now?

00:30:08 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:30:09 ◼   ► - This pick has been like ripped in an inch of its life

00:30:14 ◼   ► and not needed in my opinion.

00:30:16 ◼   ► We all knew what this one meant,

00:30:18 ◼   ► but we're all happy now, no headset is seen.

00:30:20 ◼   ► works for me hang on a second no Apple made headset is seen done done done no

00:30:30 ◼   ► Apple made headset is seen huh but if it's in a video do you really even see

00:30:37 ◼   ► it buddy for what if you mention it what if they mention it no Apple made headset

00:30:43 ◼   ► is acknowledged in any way here's this is nothing I know it yes think they

00:30:48 ◼   ► wouldn't show it but they would mention it? Well look I'm just trying to avoid a

00:30:54 ◼   ► potential scenario in which what if Tim Cook goes wild and it's like oh

00:31:00 ◼   ► by the way guys we're working on a headset but I just wanted to mention

00:31:03 ◼   ► this without showing anything off. Then I get the point. This isn't a Ricky right?

00:31:07 ◼   ► I've made my pick is this no Apple made headset is seen that's it if they were

00:31:14 ◼   ► to say hey we're gonna do a headset this year but don't show it I still get a

00:31:17 ◼   ► point so it's not you know okay okay okay it's not seen okay I'm fine with it

00:31:23 ◼   ► yeah cool you know Tim Cook used to walk around and be like the wrist is an

00:31:28 ◼   ► interesting place you know and before the Apple watch what if he comes out like

00:31:31 ◼   ► yeah there's a lot of interest at Apple in the head and the face the pure eyes

00:31:37 ◼   ► we're really interested in your eyes we're looking right into the holes in

00:31:44 ◼   ► in your eyes.

00:31:45 ◼   ► - Well, I mean, he's been saying this stuff

00:31:46 ◼   ► about AR for years, right?

00:31:47 ◼   ► Since before AR.

00:31:48 ◼   ► - Oh, yeah.

00:31:50 ◼   ► Yeah, look, he wants to have charts and graphs

00:31:52 ◼   ► in AR for meetings.

00:31:53 ◼   ► Okay, that is round one.

00:31:55 ◼   ► As a recap, Federico says,

00:31:58 ◼   ► "The next version of iOS brings changes to notifications."

00:32:02 ◼   ► I say, "Third pigeon, third party."

00:32:04 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:32:05 ◼   ► - Third pigeon?

00:32:06 ◼   ► - Third pigeon widgets.

00:32:09 ◼   ► Third party widgets gain interactivity.

00:32:12 ◼   ► Myke says, "No Apple-made headset is seen."

00:32:16 ◼   ► Pigeons.

00:32:17 ◼   ► Pigeons, no pigeons gain interactivity at WVDC.

00:32:21 ◼   ► They have pigeons at Cupertino?

00:32:24 ◼   ► Jason posted a Pigeon gif in Discord, that's a Pokemon.

00:32:29 ◼   ► Well done, Jason.

00:32:30 ◼   ► Pigeon!

00:32:31 ◼   ► Pigeon!

00:32:31 ◼   ► Pigeon!

00:32:33 ◼   ► Well done.

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00:34:35 ◼   ► Round two.

00:34:36 ◼   ► - So for round two, I'm going with another pretty obvious,

00:34:40 ◼   ► I think, feature based on what should now be a pattern

00:34:45 ◼   ► that Apple is following.

00:34:47 ◼   ► And the pick is, the next version of macOS

00:34:50 ◼   ► will have at least one feature

00:34:53 ◼   ► exclusive to Apple Silicon Macs.

00:34:56 ◼   ► The idea being that last year with macOS Monterey,

00:35:00 ◼   ► we saw some features exclusive to the M1 Macs.

00:35:04 ◼   ► I believe the interactivity in Apple Maps,

00:35:08 ◼   ► like the on-device dictation without time limits,

00:35:15 ◼   ► portrait mode for FaceTime, maybe?

00:35:17 ◼   ► - I think so.

00:35:18 ◼   ► And Live Text was going to be,

00:35:20 ◼   ► but then it ended up rolling that out to Intel Maps.

00:35:22 ◼   ► - But then it wasn't, yes.

00:35:24 ◼   ► Live Text is the one that they changed their mind about.

00:35:27 ◼   ► So I think in the next version of macOS,

00:35:30 ◼   ► which should be macOS 13,

00:35:33 ◼   ► there's gonna be at least one feature exclusive to the Apple Silicon line.

00:35:37 ◼   ► So the M1, I don't know if they're gonna announce an M2 at WWDC,

00:35:42 ◼   ► but yeah, at least one feature just for the Apple Silicon Max.

00:35:46 ◼   ► - If you have any ideas what that kind of thing could be?

00:35:49 ◼   ► - Well, for sure, it's usually stuff that requires the neural engine, right?

00:35:55 ◼   ► That's one of the obvious components that is exclusive to the M1 chip.

00:36:01 ◼   ► So, I would say it's usually like text-to-speech or dictation stuff, or stuff that deals with

00:36:13 ◼   ► the images.

00:36:15 ◼   ► So, for example, effects in photos.

00:36:17 ◼   ► So if they do, for example, new effects for videos or photos, I wouldn't be surprised

00:36:25 ◼   ► if that stuff is exclusive to the M1.

00:36:28 ◼   ► Or if they do, I don't know, for example, shortcuts now has actions for machine learning

00:36:34 ◼   ► or stuff like that.

00:36:36 ◼   ► Those could be exclusive to the M1.

00:36:38 ◼   ► Like stuff that deals with machine learning, the neural engine, 3D graphics, it's usually,

00:36:46 ◼   ► you know, best on Apple silicon and live text is, I guess, the exception that proves the

00:36:53 ◼   ► rule.

00:36:54 ◼   ► Yeah, this makes a ton of sense.

00:36:55 ◼   ► that we are definitely far enough into this transition.

00:36:58 ◼   ► I mean, they started it earlier than I thought they would.

00:37:01 ◼   ► I was really surprised when Monterey was slated to launch

00:37:05 ◼   ► with Apple Silicon only features, it felt way too soon.

00:37:09 ◼   ► So I think you're gonna get a green check mark

00:37:12 ◼   ► next to this one for sure.

00:37:13 ◼   ► - Question for you, probably Steven,

00:37:16 ◼   ► mostly based on history.

00:37:18 ◼   ► How long do you think it will be until a version of macOS

00:37:22 ◼   ► is not available for Intel?

00:37:23 ◼   ► Do I get a quiz point for this?

00:37:26 ◼   ► - No, because it's impossible, that's, no.

00:37:30 ◼   ► Nice try though, I appreciate the hustle.

00:37:32 ◼   ► - I mean, we're still tied, right?

00:37:33 ◼   ► - Yeah, 11, 11. - So, can't have that.

00:37:36 ◼   ► I mean, I think maybe two years from now, so Mac OS 15.

00:37:41 ◼   ► - Oh really?

00:37:43 ◼   ► - Oh, that's very aggressive.

00:37:45 ◼   ► That's an aggressive timeline. - That's faster than I thought

00:37:46 ◼   ► you were gonna say. - Yeah, maybe, okay, so,

00:37:48 ◼   ► okay, yeah, okay, I'll change it, three years.

00:37:51 ◼   ► We'll go three.

00:37:52 ◼   ► I think a lot of it depends on when exactly

00:37:56 ◼   ► the Mac Pro happens,

00:37:59 ◼   ► because other than the Intel Mac Mini,

00:38:01 ◼   ► which you can still buy for some reason,

00:38:03 ◼   ► the Mac Pro is the last Intel machine.

00:38:06 ◼   ► I think a lot of it, like the clock doesn't really start

00:38:09 ◼   ► until all the Intel machines are gone.

00:38:11 ◼   ► But they were pretty aggressive with Snow Leopard,

00:38:16 ◼   ► which was the first version of macOS

00:38:18 ◼   ► to drop into, to drop PowerPC support.

00:38:21 ◼   ► So Tiger was the transition OS.

00:38:24 ◼   ► Now Tiger was out for like two and a half years

00:38:26 ◼   ► or three years or something.

00:38:27 ◼   ► And then you had Leopard, which was universal.

00:38:30 ◼   ► And it was out a couple of years.

00:38:32 ◼   ► And then Snow Leopard dropped PowerPC and that felt fast.

00:38:37 ◼   ► And so maybe they'd be a little slower this time.

00:38:40 ◼   ► There's a way more Intel Max than PowerPC Max,

00:38:42 ◼   ► that's for sure.

00:38:43 ◼   ► So who knows?

00:38:45 ◼   ► At least three years.

00:38:46 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:38:47 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:38:48 ◼   ► My pick, and we're gonna talk about the,

00:38:51 ◼   ► what happened with this pic in a minute.

00:38:52 ◼   ► So let me get through it first.

00:38:55 ◼   ► iPad OS is updated to include a more desktop-like mode

00:38:59 ◼   ► with resizable and overlapping windows.

00:39:02 ◼   ► This was my Ricky, but it had an additional clause

00:39:08 ◼   ► that said, "When used with an external trackpad

00:39:14 ◼   ► "and keyboard," but it was deemed unrisky by the two of you

00:39:20 ◼   ► because of a tweet from our friend, Steve Trout and Smith,

00:39:24 ◼   ► about some changes pushed to WebKit

00:39:27 ◼   ► that sure seem like they're preparing it

00:39:30 ◼   ► to be in an environment on iPad OS

00:39:34 ◼   ► where Windows could be resizable and overlapping.

00:39:37 ◼   ► - This is so unlucky for you.

00:39:39 ◼   ► Two hours before we,

00:39:40 ◼   ► if he would have published this tomorrow.

00:39:42 ◼   ► - Yeah, I need to be clear, Zach, in the Discord.

00:39:45 ◼   ► This was in the document 36 hours ago.

00:39:49 ◼   ► Yes, yes. And I said to Steven, like, you're gonna lose because of this pick. Like, I...

00:39:57 ◼   ► I believe the word "mad lad" was used. Because we did not think that this was possible.

00:40:02 ◼   ► No, no, no. I said, I said, I took a screenshot and I said, "Steven aiming for that loss again with this pick."

00:40:10 ◼   ► Two days ago.

00:40:14 ◼   ► I mean, I'm still not convinced personally, but let's talk about it.

00:40:17 ◼   ► OK, so some context, because I've been chatting with STS, obviously, and I was doing some

00:40:24 ◼   ► reading on the GitHub commit. So there's a couple of commits on the GitHub project for

00:40:30 ◼   ► WebKit, which is open source, and this is not the first instance of WebKit revealing

00:40:35 ◼   ► some potential changes to iOS and iPadOS. So the reason why Steve thinks this is related

00:40:42 ◼   ► to iPadOS multitasking is, they are referring to, and I'm quoting from the commit, "multitasking

00:40:50 ◼   ► mode", in between quotes, that's the way they're referring to this, multitasking mode, they

00:40:55 ◼   ► never mention iPad, they never mention iPadOS, the commit says iOS as the platform, which

00:41:02 ◼   ► wouldn't surprise me if that's actually iPadOS, because internally, a ton of engineers still

00:41:07 ◼   ► refer to iPadOS as iOS.

00:41:10 ◼   ► - Well, and it's the same core. - It's referring to multitasking mode.

00:41:12 ◼   ► It's the same core, yes.

00:41:14 ◼   ► They're not really separate OSes.

00:41:16 ◼   ► They're the same OS with, like, a thin layer on top of UI changes.

00:41:21 ◼   ► It's referring to multitasking mode.

00:41:22 ◼   ► What's more interesting is that it's referring to this dynamic resizing

00:41:28 ◼   ► that can happen horizontally.

00:41:31 ◼   ► So the thing is, right now, there's not really dynamic resizing with SplitView.

00:41:36 ◼   ► Even if you place two Safari windows side by side,

00:41:40 ◼   ► it's the content is not resizing dynamically.

00:41:43 ◼   ► If you try to resize a window in Split View,

00:41:45 ◼   ► it's not like the Mac.

00:41:47 ◼   ► The content is blurred out

00:41:49 ◼   ► when you are resizing a Split View on iPad.

00:41:52 ◼   ► When you let go of the dragging,

00:41:55 ◼   ► then the content refreshes.

00:41:57 ◼   ► - And it's fixed sizes too, right?

00:41:59 ◼   ► - And it's fixed sizes.

00:42:02 ◼   ► So these commits are suggesting

00:42:04 ◼   ► that there may be this freely resizable,

00:42:07 ◼   ► called dynamic resizing, I think,

00:42:09 ◼   ► happening in multitasking mode.

00:42:12 ◼   ► - Dynamic viewport size updates.

00:42:14 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:42:15 ◼   ► - Can I read a little bit from this?

00:42:17 ◼   ► It's right at the end that seems really weird.

00:42:19 ◼   ► - Please, yes.

00:42:20 ◼   ► - Add a helper method to encapsulate

00:42:22 ◼   ► whether or not multitasking mode

00:42:25 ◼   ► viewport behaviors should be used.

00:42:28 ◼   ► This should be true only when both desktop class

00:42:31 ◼   ► viewport behaviors are active

00:42:34 ◼   ► and multitasking mode is also active.

00:42:37 ◼   ► desktop class viewport behavior.

00:42:40 ◼   ► - There's also, Santi Santi, to better describe

00:42:43 ◼   ► how this flag affects the adjusted target scale

00:42:48 ◼   ► during dynamic resize.

00:42:51 ◼   ► - It sure sounds like this is gonna be a mode

00:42:53 ◼   ► you can enter and exit.

00:42:55 ◼   ► - Yeah, it does.

00:42:56 ◼   ► Or that something happens and it,

00:42:59 ◼   ► like to the system, right?

00:43:01 ◼   ► And then, and during this time,

00:43:04 ◼   ► promo, do you remember that conversation?

00:43:06 ◼   ► - Mm-hmm.

00:43:07 ◼   ► Yeah, interesting.

00:43:08 ◼   ► Made me think, like, when Mark Gurman mentioned that,

00:43:12 ◼   ► you know, when we did that Twitter space thing,

00:43:15 ◼   ► it just comes out and says, "Yeah, I think it'd be funny.

00:43:17 ◼   ► It'd be interesting if Apple explored the idea of a Pro mode

00:43:21 ◼   ► that, you know, changes the UI

00:43:23 ◼   ► if you're using a keyboard and trackpad."

00:43:25 ◼   ► And I was like, "Yeah, sure."

00:43:27 ◼   ► And now I'm seeing this, and he wrote about it.

00:43:29 ◼   ► He's like, "Were you guessing or not, actually?

00:43:34 ◼   ► Like, did you know something?"

00:43:35 ◼   ► Well, anyway.

00:43:36 ◼   ► Now, your pick, Steven.

00:43:40 ◼   ► And I'm just having a conversation here.

00:43:43 ◼   ► iPad OS is updated to include a more desktop-like mode

00:43:46 ◼   ► with resizable, fine with me, and overlapping windows.

00:43:51 ◼   ► And I think the key part,

00:43:54 ◼   ► and this is against my interest here, right?

00:43:56 ◼   ► The key part of this pick, it's not resizable.

00:44:00 ◼   ► It's the overlapping one.

00:44:02 ◼   ► Are you sure about the overlapping one?

00:44:04 ◼   ► I want overlapping windows, so.

00:44:07 ◼   ► - Okay. - Okay.

00:44:08 ◼   ► - So you're putting out what you want in the world.

00:44:10 ◼   ► - But I see what you're saying,

00:44:12 ◼   ► and like when I moved it from Ricky's up to a regular pick,

00:44:16 ◼   ► I almost pulled out overlapping.

00:44:18 ◼   ► And I guess I still can.

00:44:20 ◼   ► I mean, we simplified Myke's pick.

00:44:22 ◼   ► - I think you should, I think you should.

00:44:25 ◼   ► No, we didn't simplify my pick.

00:44:26 ◼   ► We made my pick way more complicated.

00:44:28 ◼   ► Well, we made it more specific, I'll say.

00:44:31 ◼   ► Yeah, I think you're not going to get that part.

00:44:35 ◼   ► Not, at least not the first time they do it.

00:44:37 ◼   ► That would surprise me a lot.

00:44:39 ◼   ► - I'm pulling out overlapping windows.

00:44:41 ◼   ► Cause I guess this really could just be,

00:44:44 ◼   ► hey, we have an M1 in this iPad.

00:44:46 ◼   ► What if we showed content when it was being resized?

00:44:48 ◼   ► Ooh.

00:44:49 ◼   ► Which is such like a holdover

00:44:53 ◼   ► from like the very first version of SlideOver

00:44:57 ◼   ► and what iOS nine, eight, whenever that was.

00:45:01 ◼   ► - Nine, nine, nine, nine.

00:45:03 ◼   ► - A lot of it was like,

00:45:04 ◼   ► we're gonna just put a little block of translucent material

00:45:08 ◼   ► over your UI until you make a choice.

00:45:10 ◼   ► It was so strange.

00:45:11 ◼   ► So maybe this is just preparing the way

00:45:13 ◼   ► for that being fixed,

00:45:16 ◼   ► but the desktop mode language makes me feel good.

00:45:20 ◼   ► - What you've just said there though,

00:45:21 ◼   ► now I'm like, are you now just saying that like,

00:45:24 ◼   ► if it's only split view,

00:45:25 ◼   ► but I still see the content moving,

00:45:27 ◼   ► that's your pick? Like that doesn't feel like what you're...

00:45:29 ◼   ► - No, my pick is a more desktop-like mode

00:45:31 ◼   ► with resizable windows.

00:45:33 ◼   ► And we just have to see what that means.

00:45:35 ◼   ► - See now it's...

00:45:37 ◼   ► - Now you see we don't like to play that way, right?

00:45:39 ◼   ► 'Cause now it's like...

00:45:40 ◼   ► - Yeah, so you see now it's complicated actually though,

00:45:43 ◼   ► because what if they don't change anything?

00:45:47 ◼   ► What if you still have split view

00:45:49 ◼   ► with two apps at the same time,

00:45:51 ◼   ► but you don't have the fixed sizes anymore?

00:45:54 ◼   ► you can freely resize the split view.

00:45:59 ◼   ► You see where I'm going?

00:46:01 ◼   ► - That doesn't feel like desktop mode.

00:46:02 ◼   ► - That is that desktop mode.

00:46:04 ◼   ► So I kind of wonder if the overlapping qualifier

00:46:09 ◼   ► is what made your pick.

00:46:11 ◼   ► - So it sounds like I could go one of two ways.

00:46:13 ◼   ► - Either you take out desktop mode

00:46:16 ◼   ► and you just say resizable,

00:46:18 ◼   ► or if you want to keep desktop mode,

00:46:20 ◼   ► it's gotta be overlapping as well.

00:46:22 ◼   ► - Gotta be overlapping, right.

00:46:23 ◼   ► - Or just something else, like just some other.

00:46:26 ◼   ► - If you have some ideas.

00:46:27 ◼   ► - Yeah, right.

00:46:28 ◼   ► - If you have some other ideas.

00:46:30 ◼   ► - iPad OS is updated to include,

00:46:33 ◼   ► what about more adjustable, resizable windows?

00:46:37 ◼   ► Or like more customizable?

00:46:40 ◼   ► - I mean.

00:46:41 ◼   ► - Basically getting away the idea that there's a locked.

00:46:44 ◼   ► - More than two.

00:46:45 ◼   ► - One, two kind of thing.

00:46:46 ◼   ► - Yeah, I mean that works for me because if they do,

00:46:50 ◼   ► no matter what they do,

00:46:50 ◼   ► if it's just two apps side by side,

00:46:53 ◼   ► that's not your pick, right?

00:46:55 ◼   ► - Right, iPadOS has updated to include

00:46:57 ◼   ► more customizable, resizable windows.

00:47:01 ◼   ► It's not really a sentence that makes sense, but.

00:47:03 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's very clunky.

00:47:05 ◼   ► You might wanna reword it a little bit,

00:47:09 ◼   ► but basically what we're saying in the pick here is

00:47:11 ◼   ► if all you get is two apps side by side and slide over,

00:47:15 ◼   ► that's not this pick.

00:47:16 ◼   ► It has to be something more than that.

00:47:18 ◼   ► It's really I'm really after more flexibility.

00:47:22 ◼   ► So are you after the flexibility of the size or the number of concurrent windows?

00:47:31 ◼   ► I hadn't thought about that before now.

00:47:33 ◼   ► I mean, if I'm back in desktop land overlapping, that's kind of both.

00:47:37 ◼   ► But if I'm if I'm jettisoning jettisoning desktop overlapping windows, then I think

00:47:45 ◼   ► it's more about the way you can lay them out.

00:47:48 ◼   ► "iPadOS is updated to include more customizing."

00:47:51 ◼   ► James is making a good point for you in Discord.

00:47:53 ◼   ► James said, "I think the use of multitasking in the code suggests that it's more than the

00:47:58 ◼   ► different widths of a split."

00:47:59 ◼   ► You know, I was gonna say that I'm a man of passion, and the two of you think you are,

00:48:04 ◼   ► but you're not, so I'm going, "iPadOS is updated to include a more desktop-like mode with resizable

00:48:09 ◼   ► and overlapping windows."

00:48:11 ◼   ► You're a prince among men, you know?

00:48:13 ◼   ► Like, you really are.

00:48:14 ◼   ► Yeah, just have it, man.

00:48:16 ◼   ► Big overlap energy today.

00:48:17 ◼   ► Just why not have two risky picks, you know?

00:48:20 ◼   ► Why not?

00:48:21 ◼   ► It's nice that even in your mid-40s you haven't lost this fire.

00:48:25 ◼   ► That's what I like about you.

00:48:27 ◼   ► So I wish to be like that someday.

00:48:30 ◼   ► No, that's like episode 800 or something.

00:48:32 ◼   ► We've got a ways to go.

00:48:32 ◼   ► Myke, you're next.

00:48:34 ◼   ► You know when I mentioned before you're just putting out what you want to see in the world?

00:48:38 ◼   ► This pick for me is I am just putting out what I want to happen.

00:48:43 ◼   ► New features for tapback in messages.

00:48:47 ◼   ► I'm a prolific tap-back user. I think we all are, to be honest.

00:48:51 ◼   ► You're a tapper. You're a tapper-backer.

00:48:53 ◼   ► I'm a tapper and a backer. That's me.

00:48:55 ◼   ► I use it all the time. I wish there was more than those five options.

00:49:00 ◼   ► So I have a few things. These aren't scored. That's my pick.

00:49:04 ◼   ► New features for tap-back in messages.

00:49:06 ◼   ► Now allow me to give you some potential things that I would like to see and all could happen.

00:49:11 ◼   ► Okay.

00:49:11 ◼   ► More on options than those five.

00:49:14 ◼   ► Please.

00:49:15 ◼   ► like predefined, you know, like maybe they just add like a couple more options or whatever.

00:49:19 ◼   ► Maybe they actually go whole hog and let you use any emoji, like Slack or Discord or whatever,

00:49:26 ◼   ► right? Well, Slack doesn't let you use any emoji, just the ones that are approved by their parent

00:49:30 ◼   ► company. A predefined set of emoji that's now three years old. Yes. But my hope would be Apple

00:49:35 ◼   ► would allow you to use any emoji or better notification controls. I would like to be able

00:49:41 ◼   ► to say don't send me a full-on iMessage notification for tap backs. Yeah that's

00:49:47 ◼   ► the worst. Hmm. Hmm. Like I don't need I I would like a if we go back to Federico's

00:49:53 ◼   ► thing from earlier a specific type of like notification that I can see that's

00:49:58 ◼   ► got a new different look to it or something it's not like a full-on like

00:50:02 ◼   ► Federico thumb you know like not like a full I don't need that. I know I

00:50:08 ◼   ► know what it should be I know what it should be you know when you see those

00:50:11 ◼   ► like temporary alerts like when you connect your Apple Pencil those little

00:50:17 ◼   ► pill shaped... what's it called? Toast style notification? I think that's

00:50:23 ◼   ► that's the thing I think that's the name. Toast style? Yes I think it's called

00:50:27 ◼   ► Toast style alert. Is that named after the app Toast? I don't know but I think

00:50:34 ◼   ► that's what they are called. It's used for the the Apple Pencil notifications

00:50:40 ◼   ► the AirPods notifications.

00:50:42 ◼   ► - Oh, this is an Android Federico.

00:50:45 ◼   ► Oh, at least I found something

00:50:46 ◼   ► in the Android developers documentation.

00:50:49 ◼   ► A toast provides simple feedback

00:50:51 ◼   ► about an operation in a small pop-up.

00:50:54 ◼   ► It only fills the amount of space required for the message.

00:50:56 ◼   ► I don't know if this is a thing everywhere,

00:50:58 ◼   ► but Android have, they've documented it for us.

00:51:02 ◼   ► - But yeah, that's what they should look like.

00:51:04 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:51:05 ◼   ► - Don't send me a full notification

00:51:07 ◼   ► for just an informative update about something that happened like a tap back.

00:51:12 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah. Like you know how like people I think quite rightly complain that like

00:51:16 ◼   ► if you're an Android user you get the like in the in the actual message window you get all of those

00:51:23 ◼   ► written down? It's terrible. iOS users get them as notifications it's written the same way right?

00:51:29 ◼   ► Like well so Stephen Hackett thumb like you know. Well newer versions of Android messaging app thing

00:51:36 ◼   ► actually shows them as like little emoji.

00:51:39 ◼   ► It's just iPhone users now.

00:51:41 ◼   ► Like if you're in a group thread with your entire family

00:51:43 ◼   ► who's all on iPhones except your one brother-in-law

00:51:45 ◼   ► who has a Pixel phone and Mary loved a message,

00:51:50 ◼   ► everyone gets it as an SMS.

00:51:52 ◼   ► It's so frustrating.

00:51:54 ◼   ► - So what you've just mentioned there

00:51:55 ◼   ► was part of why I think they could make changes this year,

00:51:58 ◼   ► that they might make some like under the hood changes

00:52:02 ◼   ► in general so that that doesn't happen for iOS users as well, right?

00:52:08 ◼   ► And that because of these changes, it may also allow for some more features to be added

00:52:13 ◼   ► to this, whether it's more options or better notification management.

00:52:18 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, I like it.

00:52:20 ◼   ► I would like some new features for Messages in general, honestly, like why not?

00:52:24 ◼   ► Yes, yes.

00:52:25 ◼   ► Okay, so the end of round two, Federico.

00:52:28 ◼   ► The next version of Mac OS will have at least one feature exclusive to Apple Silicon Macs.

00:52:33 ◼   ► Your future event chairman, iPad OS, is updated to include a more desktop-like mode with resizable

00:52:40 ◼   ► and overlapping windows.

00:52:41 ◼   ► I don't think you're allowed to editorialize in an official capacity like this.

00:52:46 ◼   ► And Myke, who is the loser this time, new feature for tapback and messages.

00:52:52 ◼   ► Someone's got drunk with power over there.

00:52:54 ◼   ► How are we feeling after round one and two?

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00:53:04 ◼   ► just repeating what the spirit of the Ricky's told me. I feel

00:53:07 ◼   ► pretty good. Not 100% confident, but pretty good. Pretty good. It's time

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00:54:58 ◼   ► - For this risky pick, I try to think about

00:55:02 ◼   ► when's the last time we felt

00:55:07 ◼   ► more productive on our iPhones?

00:55:11 ◼   ► My idea being that in the early days of iOS and iPhone OS,

00:55:15 ◼   ► there were a ton of changes that Apple was bringing

00:55:18 ◼   ► that actually improved the way we use our iPhones.

00:55:22 ◼   ► Like I'm thinking about notifications,

00:55:23 ◼   ► notification center, and copy and paste, obviously.

00:55:26 ◼   ► And we haven't seen that kind of,

00:55:29 ◼   ► I don't want to say innovation,

00:55:30 ◼   ► because we've seen innovation in other areas of iOS.

00:55:33 ◼   ► But like, give me new tools

00:55:36 ◼   ► to actually work better with my phone.

00:55:39 ◼   ► Maybe, you know, the last time

00:55:41 ◼   ► was when they added the scrolling on the keyboard.

00:55:44 ◼   ► when you hold down on the spacebar.

00:55:47 ◼   ► But also last year, they did something else on the iPhone.

00:55:50 ◼   ► They brought drag and drop between apps

00:55:54 ◼   ► from the iPad to the iPhone.

00:55:56 ◼   ► And that got me thinking.

00:55:58 ◼   ► My risky pick is the next version of iOS

00:56:03 ◼   ► gets split view support for multitasking

00:56:07 ◼   ► to use two apps at the same time.

00:56:11 ◼   ► Now, my thinking here, let me again,

00:56:14 ◼   ► let me clarify and add some color

00:56:16 ◼   ► that is not part of the pic.

00:56:18 ◼   ► I think this will work in both portrait and landscape.

00:56:22 ◼   ► I don't think this will be a landscape only feature.

00:56:25 ◼   ► I think this will work in the two orientations.

00:56:29 ◼   ► Now let me make my case for this feature.

00:56:32 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:56:32 ◼   ► - Phones are bigger, and maybe they're getting even bigger,

00:56:37 ◼   ► And Apple seems to be discontinuing the small iPhone.

00:56:41 ◼   ► This feature, in my mind, I think it could be exclusive.

00:56:45 ◼   ► It could be one of those features that they can upsell you

00:56:48 ◼   ► by saying this is exclusive to the Pro iPhones.

00:56:51 ◼   ► So the iPhone 13 Pro and Pro Max,

00:56:54 ◼   ► 14, like, just the Pro models from the past few years,

00:56:58 ◼   ► depending on RAM limitations and stuff like that.

00:57:01 ◼   ► Maybe from the 11 onward or something like that,

00:57:05 ◼   ► but basically only the bigger phones.

00:57:07 ◼   ► I mean, that kind of breaks down if the rumors for this year are to be believed, that there's

00:57:13 ◼   ► going to be a regular phone that's the same size between the 14 and 14 Pro, and there's

00:57:19 ◼   ► going to be a 14 Max and a 14 Pro Max.

00:57:23 ◼   ► Maybe it's not so much about size, but it's about, "Hey, these Pro phones have additional

00:57:27 ◼   ► RAM or something else."

00:57:29 ◼   ► Yeah, it could be that.

00:57:31 ◼   ► I wouldn't be surprised.

00:57:32 ◼   ► I think it's going to be both things, honestly, but yeah, I agree with both of you, but I

00:57:36 ◼   ► I think they have to do both.

00:57:38 ◼   ► The drag and drop between apps would really

00:57:42 ◼   ► be an enabler for this feature in that now that it exists,

00:57:47 ◼   ► it's there and it's kind of convenient,

00:57:49 ◼   ► but you never really use it on the iPhone

00:57:51 ◼   ► right now because it's awkward.

00:57:53 ◼   ► You're dragging something, then you need to exit out of the app,

00:57:56 ◼   ► choose something else on your home screen, and then drop it.

00:58:00 ◼   ► Instead, with two apps on screen at the same time,

00:58:04 ◼   ► you can just grab something and drop it on the other side.

00:58:06 ◼   ► It's much more natural.

00:58:07 ◼   ► And the technology is already there.

00:58:09 ◼   ► Next, I think this will require, obviously,

00:58:13 ◼   ► changes to the adaptivity, auto layout,

00:58:16 ◼   ► and size class engine that we've seen on iPad before.

00:58:21 ◼   ► Apple will be bringing that to the iPhone

00:58:23 ◼   ► if they do this feature on iOS.

00:58:25 ◼   ► And that work on having this smaller, resizable windows,

00:58:31 ◼   ► maybe it could potentially be helpful for iPad developers,

00:58:35 ◼   ► too.

00:58:35 ◼   ► Like if Apple is allowing iPhone apps

00:58:38 ◼   ► to be resized at half height, maybe those changes,

00:58:45 ◼   ► it could be part of, I guess, a bigger series of changes

00:58:48 ◼   ► that they're making this year.

00:58:51 ◼   ► Obviously, Android has had this feature for a while,

00:58:55 ◼   ► for many years, actually.

00:58:56 ◼   ► I think Android has had Split View in both portrait

00:58:59 ◼   ► and landscape.

00:59:00 ◼   ► I don't think Apple will give you the flexibility that you have on Android.

00:59:04 ◼   ► I don't think that will make Split View resizable on iPhone.

00:59:08 ◼   ► I think it'll just be 50/50 with no options to drag to resize or anything like that.

00:59:15 ◼   ► The new multitasking menu that they did last year on iPad, that could also be used as the

00:59:21 ◼   ► interface to manage this.

00:59:23 ◼   ► And the way I see it, I think it's going to look like this.

00:59:26 ◼   ► You open the app switcher, you grab a window from the app switcher.

00:59:30 ◼   ► drag it up or down and you dock it on one half of the screen and then you pick something else from

00:59:35 ◼   ► the app switcher and you've created a split view. Or you can use the multitasking menu, which could

00:59:41 ◼   ► be shown up there in the title bar or not. And lastly, I will mention this to build my case.

00:59:48 ◼   ► The design of the new Safari that they did last year with the bottom-oriented UI is kind of already

00:59:59 ◼   ► ready for this potential feature. If you already have an app that contains its most important

01:00:08 ◼   ► controls in the lower half of the screen, if that app gets resized in a Split View,

01:00:14 ◼   ► those controls don't need to move at all. They can just be a pop-up that already fills half of

01:00:20 ◼   ► the screen, and then when you're done with those controls they disappear at the bottom.

01:00:24 ◼   ► So taking all this together, all these potential signs together, plus obviously the fact that

01:00:31 ◼   ► Android has had this feature for a while and they haven't really done anything new on iOS

01:00:37 ◼   ► in a while in terms of like there's this totally new thing that now your iPhone can do.

01:00:42 ◼   ► I think it's time to make it happen. So once again the next version of iOS

01:00:47 ◼   ► gets SplitView support for multitasking to use two apps at the same time.

01:00:52 ◼   ► I have a bunch of thoughts about this. One, I want it to happen. Two, like you, I'm very into this idea.

01:00:58 ◼   ► You know, and developers can opt into it or whatever. Obviously not every app is going to

01:01:03 ◼   ► support it. It would be just like going back to iPad multitasking, but there would be a bunch of

01:01:07 ◼   ► apps where this would be fantastic for. Two, I think it will work fine because picture-in-picture

01:01:12 ◼   ► video works great, right? And like having freedom of movement, like all of that kind of stuff, like

01:01:18 ◼   ► That's basically, it's not even half, it's less than half of the screen.

01:01:21 ◼   ► And I can very easily use the two things at once.

01:01:24 ◼   ► I can watch video and I can do whatever, look at Twitter or whatever, right?

01:01:28 ◼   ► So you can split the screen in half and it'll work fine.

01:01:31 ◼   ► My only question mark around it is, I wonder if...

01:01:36 ◼   ► No, as I'm saying this, I'm realizing the issue in it,

01:01:40 ◼   ► but I'm just going to say it anyway.

01:01:42 ◼   ► Because they're going to be releasing more bigger phones,

01:01:46 ◼   ► Could see a case that they wouldn't show this off until they show off the new phones

01:01:50 ◼   ► But then they wouldn't give anybody any time to get it. Yeah. Yeah, so I could imagine them because there's already big phones

01:01:57 ◼   ► Recommend people do it at WWDC and then make a bigger

01:02:01 ◼   ► Song and dance of it when they show off the new phones in September. I'm going

01:02:07 ◼   ► Galaxy brain here. Well, they're deep buried in a session somewhere

01:02:12 ◼   ► Maybe it's about iPad desktop mode that's coming definitely coming. They say hey, you know, we support all these size classes

01:02:19 ◼   ► But you also need to make sure that your apps not only can adjust width wise but also height wise and turns out

01:02:28 ◼   ► That's really more for this iOS

01:02:30 ◼   ► Split screen deal that we don't know about yet is gonna come with the new iPhones

01:02:36 ◼   ► I see where you're going with that. You should get your apps ready for all sorts of resizing

01:02:40 ◼   ► I know where you're going with this though, right? But they could galaxy brain it, right?

01:02:44 ◼   ► Oh, it's for this one thing, but it's also for this other thing.

01:02:46 ◼   ► But considering it would probably be supported on other big iPhones,

01:02:51 ◼   ► even if they just kept the big iPhones, I could imagine them showing off. But who knows?

01:02:55 ◼   ► Anyway, no matter what they do, I want it to happen.

01:02:57 ◼   ► Yeah, me. Yeah. Yeah. So this is mostly like one of those things that I think I'm seeing the signs,

01:03:03 ◼   ► but really I just want this to exist. So I am wishing it into existence by using it

01:03:09 ◼   ► as my risky pick. That's how it works.

01:03:13 ◼   ► Hmm.

01:03:14 ◼   ► Steven.

01:03:15 ◼   ► "The new version of macOS brings back Dashboard as a way to place widgets outside of the current

01:03:22 ◼   ► Notification Center."

01:03:23 ◼   ► Okay.

01:03:25 ◼   ► This is what happens when you need a risky pick within an hour.

01:03:28 ◼   ► Yes.

01:03:29 ◼   ► You bring Dashboard back, you know?

01:03:31 ◼   ► Yes.

01:03:32 ◼   ► This is where I'm going.

01:03:34 ◼   ► So why? So let me just ask you why. So the way this pick is phrased, it needs to be called

01:03:41 ◼   ► dashboard and it needs to be about widgets. What makes you think they won't just let you

01:03:49 ◼   ► place widgets on your desktop? Because then to see them, you have to look at your desktop

01:03:55 ◼   ► and I don't know about y'all, but right now I can see 12345678910 overlapping windows

01:04:02 ◼   ► on my pro display.

01:04:04 ◼   ► Alright, I want to ask you a question.

01:04:05 ◼   ► Steven, how will you bring Dashboard into your life?

01:04:09 ◼   ► What will you do to invoke Dashboard?

01:04:10 ◼   ► There'll be a button like there used to be.

01:04:12 ◼   ► Put it in the menu bar somewhere.

01:04:14 ◼   ► Right, and how will you do it?

01:04:15 ◼   ► I will probably remap keyboards real good to it.

01:04:18 ◼   ► Because what I'm thinking is,

01:04:20 ◼   ► most people will do a pinch gesture, right,

01:04:22 ◼   ► on the trackpad, or yes, like a button,

01:04:24 ◼   ► but you can also press a button to look at the desktop

01:04:28 ◼   ► or do a pinch to look at it.

01:04:30 ◼   ► I use a hot corner to show the desktop.

01:04:32 ◼   ► - Yeah, the hottest of corners.

01:04:34 ◼   ► I just don't think the desktop is the right place

01:04:36 ◼   ► because some people--

01:04:37 ◼   ► - I don't disagree with you.

01:04:38 ◼   ► - Yeah, I mean, some people keep their desktop

01:04:40 ◼   ► really nice and tidy,

01:04:41 ◼   ► like I have exactly one file on my desktop right now.

01:04:43 ◼   ► - Mine is empty.

01:04:45 ◼   ► - Other people, maybe people that I'm married to,

01:04:48 ◼   ► for instance, their desktops are chaos

01:04:50 ◼   ► and they don't organize things to a grid

01:04:54 ◼   ► or alphabetically or in stacks or anything and--

01:04:57 ◼   ► - Well, they have so many icons,

01:04:59 ◼   ► you can't even see the new stuff that gets added to the desktop anymore.

01:05:02 ◼   ► Yeah. My theoretical spouse is not that theoretically bad, but some people are.

01:05:06 ◼   ► And, uh, so I think, I think the desktop is the wrong place,

01:05:10 ◼   ► but imagine there was a UI that could fly

01:05:15 ◼   ► in over where you were.

01:05:16 ◼   ► Is that sound effect in the pic?

01:05:18 ◼   ► It had all your widgets and then you hit the button and it goes,

01:05:21 ◼   ► and it goes away and they call it dashboard.

01:05:25 ◼   ► Man. Can I give you an issue?

01:05:29 ◼   ► that I see with this pick, it will be the same widgets, right?

01:05:32 ◼   ► Like the same widgets that we have on iOS, the same widgets that we have on iPad OS.

01:05:36 ◼   ► Yeah, we have them on the Mac now. I got like five or six over in that right rail.

01:05:41 ◼   ► Were they going to bring dashboard to iPad, do you think?

01:05:44 ◼   ► Well, the desktop on the Mac is fundamentally different than the home screen on the iPad.

01:05:48 ◼   ► For how long? You know what I'm saying?

01:05:52 ◼   ► For how long, right?

01:05:54 ◼   ► The change isn't coming to the Mac because Launchpad is a dead technology on the Mac, right?

01:05:58 ◼   ► didn't ever go anywhere. Oh yeah that thing is still there. I mean like imagine

01:06:03 ◼   ► if iPad OS was updated to include a more desktop like mode you know. I still think

01:06:08 ◼   ► the desktop is like say that say that the iPad gets a true desktop like I mean

01:06:14 ◼   ► I don't I don't the way that I view the desktop mode on the iPad is you don't

01:06:20 ◼   ► get to put files back there you don't get to put folders back there it's just

01:06:24 ◼   ► you're in this view and then the home screen is like maybe like it's like it's

01:06:29 ◼   ► in CarPlay where it's back to the left or something. I think mixing widgets with

01:06:34 ◼   ► like freeform chaos of files and folders just doesn't make any sense. I think I

01:06:38 ◼   ► like it. All I want is widgets on the Mac to be better than they currently are.

01:06:43 ◼   ► However they choose to do that like you know so I can get both a better widget

01:06:49 ◼   ► experience and a better notification experience. I want both of those things

01:06:53 ◼   ► to happen on the Mac. Yeah. If they have to bring back dashboard to do that, let them

01:06:57 ◼   ► go for it. Because like right now, so like by default, I have a 32 inch screen. I can

01:07:03 ◼   ► see three notifications at a time. And if I hit, then I can hit nine more and I get

01:07:08 ◼   ► more, but then I can't see my widgets because they get pushed off the end of the screen.

01:07:11 ◼   ► But also like you could have a 32 inch screen and one widget and you'd still only get three

01:07:18 ◼   ► you know like it's wild over there. I never look at notifications like there's probably

01:07:26 ◼   ► a thousand stacked slack and Dropbox notifications in here I never clear them out and never look

01:07:31 ◼   ► at them because this UI on the Mac is useless. I have to clear out I can't have them I can't

01:07:36 ◼   ► have them all living in there. I can't have them. I can't do it I gotta clear it but I

01:07:42 ◼   ► wish it was better. Alright dashboard baby. Why not? Alright you ready? Go for it.

01:07:47 ◼   ► Yeah man. This is all the pick. This is not context, this is all the pick. Apple

01:07:54 ◼   ► gives a sneak peek of the new Mac Pro. It features the same case design as the

01:08:00 ◼   ► current Mac Pro. Okay I'll interrupt you at the end. Actually you know what I

01:08:03 ◼   ► wanted I want to stop here because I made a slight tweak and I want to I want

01:08:06 ◼   ► to actually stop there. Is this thing the same size? Well this is okay so originally I said it

01:08:11 ◼   ► features the same case but what I wanted to change this to but I didn't want to

01:08:16 ◼   ► change it too much and I want to ask you both what I actually want to say it

01:08:19 ◼   ► features a case inspired by the design of the current Mac Pro that would work

01:08:24 ◼   ► for me yeah is that okay because I'm I want it to look like I think it's gonna

01:08:28 ◼   ► look like it but it might not be it'd be weird if it was physically the same size

01:08:32 ◼   ► but you can't put any cards in it anymore it features a case design

01:08:39 ◼   ► inspired by by the 2019 mac pro thank you for that 2019 I kind of miss mine

01:08:47 ◼   ► oh well pause that pin in that I'm not even 20% through my pick yeah yeah we're

01:08:57 ◼   ► still in the pick I'll start at the beginning Apple gives a sneak peek of

01:09:01 ◼   ► the new Mac Pro it features a case design inspired by the 2019 Mac Pro it

01:09:07 ◼   ► It features more ports than any other Apple Silicon Mac

01:09:10 ◼   ► available today.

01:09:12 ◼   ► It does not have support for third-party GPUs.

01:09:16 ◼   ► It features a chip name that has not

01:09:18 ◼   ► appeared in any other product.

01:09:21 ◼   ► It has a starting price of 6,900--

01:09:25 ◼   ► at least, sorry.

01:09:26 ◼   ► It has a starting price of at least $6,999.

01:09:31 ◼   ► And it is coming, quote, "later this year."

01:09:34 ◼   ► My word.

01:09:36 ◼   ► OK.

01:09:36 ◼   ► Can I remove the quote as well?

01:09:38 ◼   ► Just like it's coming later this?

01:09:40 ◼   ► - Yes, please.

01:09:40 ◼   ► You got, yeah, because you gotta, I was,

01:09:43 ◼   ► that's the first thing I would have suggested.

01:09:45 ◼   ► - So I wanna go through these sub point by sub point

01:09:49 ◼   ► because what you have done, Myke,

01:09:51 ◼   ► if my risky pick is a single brush stroke,

01:09:56 ◼   ► you have a whole painting here of prediction.

01:09:59 ◼   ► - I like this.

01:10:00 ◼   ► This is what I like.

01:10:01 ◼   ► All right, Colin.

01:10:02 ◼   ► - Hold on.

01:10:03 ◼   ► Jason from Discord, a reminder that Myke already has this

01:10:06 ◼   ► as an annual pick.

01:10:08 ◼   ► The new Mac Pro will be smaller, not a cube shape.

01:10:10 ◼   ► Feature-- - I checked the rules.

01:10:11 ◼   ► It doesn't count.

01:10:12 ◼   ► Annuals and it's only keynotes, it doesn't count.

01:10:15 ◼   ► - Are you using the same pick?

01:10:17 ◼   ► - No, because it's full of loads

01:10:19 ◼   ► of different pieces of information.

01:10:20 ◼   ► - And the rules state the picks from the keynote rookies

01:10:25 ◼   ► cannot be reused by the host who made them,

01:10:28 ◼   ► who made them for the next keynote.

01:10:30 ◼   ► So this wasn't a previous keynote pick of his.

01:10:34 ◼   ► The annual rookies have their own subset of rules.

01:10:36 ◼   ► Once a host chooses something as an annual pick,

01:10:39 ◼   ► they cannot reuse it in that calendar year.

01:10:41 ◼   ► Oh.

01:10:43 ◼   ► Ah, hang on, we need to check.

01:10:45 ◼   ► 'Cause I definitely haven't got the same language.

01:10:48 ◼   ► There's no way I've said all the same things.

01:10:49 ◼   ► Yeah, let's pull up the exact language

01:10:50 ◼   ► of the previous pick.

01:10:52 ◼   ► Annual rookies, 2022.

01:10:53 ◼   ► I mean, it's a very similar pick.

01:10:57 ◼   ► The new Mac Pro will be smaller, not a cube shape,

01:11:01 ◼   ► feature no support for the current MPX modules,

01:11:04 ◼   ► and/or what allows some form of expandability outside of Thunderbolt, it will only be available

01:11:08 ◼   ► in one color.

01:11:09 ◼   ► Like, here's the thing.

01:11:11 ◼   ► So on that, for me, right, I feel like it's in the same ballpark, it's not the same pick.

01:11:19 ◼   ► Yeah, but they're different.

01:11:20 ◼   ► But they're different.

01:11:21 ◼   ► So, I mean, you're going all in with this Mac Pro picks this year, which is fine for

01:11:26 ◼   ► you, but they are different, so I think it's fine.

01:11:29 ◼   ► Yeah, I think you're okay.

01:11:31 ◼   ► So a case design inspired by the tween 2019 Mac Pro. So the eyeball scoops, front and

01:11:38 ◼   ► back handles, I think shape to like, I think it was gonna look like that guy. I mean, I

01:11:44 ◼   ► would love it. I would love it if they just made they just scaled it down. Like it's just

01:11:49 ◼   ► a little like that little g5 on Steve Jobs desk that thing. Yeah, tiny little guy. Okay,

01:11:55 ◼   ► I can get behind that. I mean, it's a cool design. That's what I said. That's what I

01:11:59 ◼   ► I meant when I said I miss it. I love my Mac studio. It's an amazing computer.

01:12:02 ◼   ► Okay. But I miss the physicality of the Mac pro, right?

01:12:06 ◼   ► The Mac studio is not as good looking.

01:12:09 ◼   ► No, it's not. And you know, I try to scoop some holes in the front of it.

01:12:12 ◼   ► It's not gonna go so well.

01:12:13 ◼   ► Look, got a little melon ball.

01:12:15 ◼   ► Pop them out. It features more ports than any other Apple Silicon Mac available

01:12:23 ◼   ► today. Let me read you the port list on the Mac studio.

01:12:28 ◼   ► On the front, you have two USB-C or Thunderbolt ports

01:12:33 ◼   ► and an SD card slot.

01:12:34 ◼   ► On the back, four Thunderbolt 4 ports,

01:12:39 ◼   ► 10 gigabit ethernet, two USB-A, HDMI,

01:12:43 ◼   ► and a 3.5 millimeter headphone jack.

01:12:46 ◼   ► - I think it's gonna have more.

01:12:46 ◼   ► - That's a lot of ports.

01:12:48 ◼   ► And the original, the 2019 Mac Pro

01:12:52 ◼   ► had two Thunderbolt ports on the top,

01:12:54 ◼   ► so it's kinda like the front of the Mac Studio.

01:12:57 ◼   ► And then on the IO card had a headphone, two USB-A,

01:13:02 ◼   ► and two more Thunderbolt.

01:13:04 ◼   ► So the Mac Studio is already ahead of the old Mac Pro,

01:13:08 ◼   ► depending on what GPU it was in.

01:13:10 ◼   ► But you said they're gonna continue to push it farther.

01:13:12 ◼   ► - Honestly, I think this could be the part

01:13:15 ◼   ► that kills me more than anything else,

01:13:17 ◼   ► but I think they'll do it.

01:13:18 ◼   ► I think they'll do it. - I'm worried about it

01:13:19 ◼   ► for sure. - I mean, so part of what

01:13:20 ◼   ► I'm thinking here is like, it's this part,

01:13:22 ◼   ► it features a chip name that has not appeared

01:13:24 ◼   ► in any other product.

01:13:25 ◼   ► So I think there's some other chip, it's either M2 something or is a more powerful M1 than

01:13:32 ◼   ► anything else available.

01:13:33 ◼   ► What are the current M1 names?

01:13:35 ◼   ► M1, M1 Pro, M1...

01:13:36 ◼   ► M1 Pro, M1 Max, M1 Ultra.

01:13:40 ◼   ► Oh, they've done Ultra.

01:13:41 ◼   ► Okay.

01:13:42 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:13:43 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:13:44 ◼   ► Ultra is what's in the studio.

01:13:45 ◼   ► It's the beefed one up for the studio, right?

01:13:46 ◼   ► So if they keep M1, M1 Extreme, M1...

01:13:51 ◼   ► Extreme.

01:13:52 ◼   ► - But I actually think, I do believe this is not in the pic.

01:13:56 ◼   ► This is just a mic thing.

01:13:57 ◼   ► I think that this will be the first M2 machine.

01:13:59 ◼   ► - I have a thing about this,

01:14:00 ◼   ► because I wandered into this on MPU

01:14:04 ◼   ► and we had this discussion.

01:14:06 ◼   ► People, I mean, the way the M1 has worked,

01:14:08 ◼   ► we started with the little baby M1

01:14:11 ◼   ► and over the course of 18 months,

01:14:12 ◼   ► it's gotten bigger and stronger with the Pro,

01:14:16 ◼   ► Ultra, et cetera.

01:14:17 ◼   ► The Mac Pro is gonna be at the top of the line.

01:14:19 ◼   ► It's gonna have the biggest, baddest chip.

01:14:22 ◼   ► I think it could be the first M2 Mac announced

01:14:27 ◼   ► and the last one to ship.

01:14:29 ◼   ► Because if it is later in the year,

01:14:31 ◼   ► which I totally think is the case here.

01:14:33 ◼   ► - Oh, interesting, yeah.

01:14:34 ◼   ► - They could put the flag out way down the road.

01:14:37 ◼   ► That's the other end of the M2 line.

01:14:39 ◼   ► - That's a good point.

01:14:40 ◼   ► - And in the meantime, we're gonna do Mac Minis

01:14:43 ◼   ► and MacBook Airs and iMacs and stuff.

01:14:44 ◼   ► - I think you might be right on that actually, but yeah.

01:14:46 ◼   ► - I don't think this is as bonkers as it sounds.

01:14:49 ◼   ► once you kind of put it in conjunction with the timeline.

01:14:53 ◼   ► - Yeah, 'cause you got six months, right?

01:14:56 ◼   ► Before this thing is probably gonna roll out

01:14:57 ◼   ► and yeah, you're right.

01:14:59 ◼   ► But I do think it will be M2.

01:15:00 ◼   ► I think as you're right, like between now and then,

01:15:05 ◼   ► we will have M2 machines, most likely.

01:15:08 ◼   ► So I think that it will have,

01:15:10 ◼   ► it'll either be called like the M2 Ultra

01:15:12 ◼   ► or it'll be like the M1 Extreme or something like that.

01:15:15 ◼   ► It might not start with that, but I think it will.

01:15:17 ◼   ► I actually don't think, this is again, not in the pick,

01:15:20 ◼   ► but I don't think they will offer a chip in this machine

01:15:23 ◼   ► that you can get in another machine.

01:15:25 ◼   ► 'Cause I don't see why, right?

01:15:27 ◼   ► Like, especially because I don't think it's gonna have

01:15:31 ◼   ► the same level of expandability as the previous Mac Pro.

01:15:34 ◼   ► - Right. - I think it's just

01:15:35 ◼   ► pure power is its thing.

01:15:37 ◼   ► - I think the entry point could start with the Ultra.

01:15:41 ◼   ► - Maybe. - For people who do want

01:15:42 ◼   ► to throw in, 'cause I agree with your later pick,

01:15:45 ◼   ► it's not gonna support third party GPUs.

01:15:47 ◼   ► But a bunch of people including myself,

01:15:50 ◼   ► most of what I use those slots for,

01:15:51 ◼   ► my old Mac Pro was for storage.

01:15:53 ◼   ► And so an M1 Ultra with a couple of quad slots,

01:15:56 ◼   ► like that would fit a need

01:15:58 ◼   ► and it would maybe hit, let them hit a lower price point.

01:16:00 ◼   ► So I think it'll start with the Ultra

01:16:03 ◼   ► and then the upper end will be whatever this new,

01:16:07 ◼   ► you know, M1 Extreme quad system on a chip thing will be.

01:16:11 ◼   ► The reason I went with the $69.99 is factoring in ultra.

01:16:16 ◼   ► - Yeah, that's $1,000 more than the Mac Pro starts.

01:16:20 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:16:21 ◼   ► Can you go to get some separation, I think,

01:16:23 ◼   ► 'cause the Mac Studio exists now.

01:16:25 ◼   ► I think you've got to kind of price it that way.

01:16:27 ◼   ► - The Studio frees the Mac Pro up to be bananas.

01:16:30 ◼   ► - Mm-hmm, and that's what I think they'll do.

01:16:33 ◼   ► - Okay.

01:16:34 ◼   ► I think maybe a connected historian could verify this.

01:16:39 ◼   ► I think this is the most sub points we've ever had

01:16:43 ◼   ► to be scored in a pick.

01:16:46 ◼   ► - I think the only time I've gotten close to this

01:16:48 ◼   ► was the iPad mini, but I think this is more than that.

01:16:51 ◼   ► - Yeah. - Yeah.

01:16:53 ◼   ► - This is a lot.

01:16:54 ◼   ► And we should clarify Federico, your pick,

01:16:58 ◼   ► the actual language of the pick,

01:17:00 ◼   ► 'cause the context, let me make case for this,

01:17:02 ◼   ► that's not actually the pick. - No, no.

01:17:05 ◼   ► - Are you saying both portrait and landscape

01:17:07 ◼   ► is part of your pick?

01:17:09 ◼   ► - Nope. - Okay.

01:17:10 ◼   ► - Just, do you wanna do the recap?

01:17:12 ◼   ► It's gonna take a while.

01:17:13 ◼   ► - Yes, I will. - Yes.

01:17:15 ◼   ► - I will recap this.

01:17:16 ◼   ► Federico, iOS gets split view support

01:17:19 ◼   ► for multitasking to use two apps at once.

01:17:22 ◼   ► I said the new version of macOS brings back dashboard

01:17:26 ◼   ► as a way to place widgets

01:17:27 ◼   ► outside of the current notification center.

01:17:30 ◼   ► Take a drink of water here.

01:17:32 ◼   ► Myke says, Apple gives a sneak peek of the new Mac Pro.

01:17:36 ◼   ► It features a case design inspired by the 2019 Mac Pro.

01:17:40 ◼   ► It features more ports than any other Apple Silicon Mac

01:17:43 ◼   ► available today.

01:17:44 ◼   ► It does not have support for third-party GPUs.

01:17:48 ◼   ► It features a chip name that has not appeared

01:17:50 ◼   ► in any other product.

01:17:51 ◼   ► As a starting price of at least $6,999,

01:17:56 ◼   ► it is coming later this year.

01:17:58 ◼   ► Oh, those are all, we've done well,

01:18:01 ◼   ► I think, in our risky picks.

01:18:02 ◼   ► There's some fun stuff in there.

01:18:04 ◼   ► One day, I'm gonna get one of these picks right, and it's gonna be a good day.

01:18:08 ◼   ► You historically have been bitten by details.

01:18:12 ◼   ► Like one little detail, yeah.

01:18:14 ◼   ► But one day, I'm gonna get one of these right, and that's gonna be the one people remember,

01:18:18 ◼   ► you know?

01:18:19 ◼   ► They'll forget all the ones I got.

01:18:20 ◼   ► Someday it'll happen.

01:18:22 ◼   ► Someday.

01:18:24 ◼   ► Do I think it will be next time?

01:18:27 ◼   ► Probably not, but I'm trying anyway.

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01:19:52 ◼   ► It's time for the Flexis.

01:19:55 ◼   ► The Flexis is a game held after each edition of the RICKYs.

01:19:59 ◼   ► It consists of a series of additional picks in relation to the upcoming Apple Event or

01:20:04 ◼   ► Year.

01:20:05 ◼   ► Scoring is completed separately from the main game, but like the RICKYs, the order of picks

01:20:09 ◼   ► is set by the results of the previous game and ties will be broken by using dice by Peacock.

01:20:16 ◼   ► Please lie down as the rules are read.

01:20:18 ◼   ► Okay.

01:20:19 ◼   ► Alright, here we go.

01:20:20 ◼   ► Alright, lie down.

01:20:21 ◼   ► Oh, that's good.

01:20:23 ◼   ► [MUSIC PLAYING]

01:20:31 ◼   ► Hosts must make a minimum of five Flexi picks.

01:20:34 ◼   ► Each correct to pick is awarded with one point.

01:20:38 ◼   ► Wrong picks do not remove any points,

01:20:40 ◼   ► and no partial points may be awarded.

01:20:43 ◼   ► The winner is determined by comparing

01:20:44 ◼   ► the percentage of correct Flexis made by each host.

01:20:48 ◼   ► While there is no Twitter handle on the line in the Flexis,

01:20:51 ◼   ► the winner can use their chosen title

01:20:52 ◼   ► as long as they are the winner.

01:20:54 ◼   ► Federico shall be named Prince Flexi,

01:20:57 ◼   ► Myke has chosen Duke of Flexington,

01:21:00 ◼   ► and Steven is the Attorney General Flexi.

01:21:03 ◼   ► Loser of the Flexi must compensate the winner of the Flexis

01:21:06 ◼   ► by donating to a charity of the winner's choice.

01:21:09 ◼   ► The amount of the donation is $25 per wrong Flexi

01:21:12 ◼   ► made by the loser.

01:21:14 ◼   ► The money must be donated on air.

01:21:17 ◼   ► You may return to your seating positions.

01:21:22 ◼   ► - Hello.

01:21:23 ◼   ► - All right, I am the Attorney General Flexi,

01:21:25 ◼   ► so I get to go first.

01:21:26 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:21:27 ◼   ► - Yes, wow. - Yeah, you are.

01:21:28 ◼   ► - AG Flexi. - Yeah, you are.

01:21:31 ◼   ► - Number one, a presenter references the fact

01:21:34 ◼   ► that some developers are at Apple Park for the keynote.

01:21:37 ◼   ► It's like a, "Hey, we got people here," kind of shout out.

01:21:42 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah.

01:21:43 ◼   ► - And the good thing about that

01:21:44 ◼   ► is that could be live or prerecorded, right?

01:21:46 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:21:47 ◼   ► - That kind of doesn't matter, you know?

01:21:49 ◼   ► Number two, AR specific features are added to Swift or Swift UI.

01:21:54 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:21:56 ◼   ► I mean, yeah.

01:21:57 ◼   ► At least one iOS system app is redesigned to bring its controls

01:22:01 ◼   ► to the bottom of the screen.

01:22:03 ◼   ► Yes.

01:22:04 ◼   ► So following in the footsteps of maps and messages.

01:22:07 ◼   ► I had this in my flexes and then I realized you put it in first.

01:22:11 ◼   ► So, but yeah, I agree.

01:22:12 ◼   ► Apple's classical music service is announced.

01:22:14 ◼   ► Interesting.

01:22:15 ◼   ► A WWDC?

01:22:16 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:22:17 ◼   ► They did Apple music.

01:22:19 ◼   ► As we've spoken about in the quiz, they've done it twice, so why not do it again?

01:22:25 ◼   ► Third time's the charm. Maybe developers will care this time.

01:22:28 ◼   ► Number five, Mac OS 13 is called Mammoth.

01:22:33 ◼   ► This is a big flexy. Going for the name?

01:22:37 ◼   ► I think they're going for Sequoia. I think they're going for Sequoia.

01:22:40 ◼   ► Put in as a flexy, son.

01:22:42 ◼   ► Nah, I will not. I already have enough.

01:22:47 ◼   ► I'm going to say it's called mammoth or sequoia.

01:22:49 ◼   ► No, no apple.

01:22:51 ◼   ► This one was the last minute.

01:22:52 ◼   ► Add apple announces the first M two Mac.

01:22:55 ◼   ► Okay.

01:22:56 ◼   ► Okay.

01:22:58 ◼   ► So I've made six out of the required five.

01:23:01 ◼   ► Okay.

01:23:02 ◼   ► I made fewer than the two of you.

01:23:03 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:23:05 ◼   ► Spoilers.

01:23:06 ◼   ► There's more coming.

01:23:07 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:23:09 ◼   ► All right.

01:23:10 ◼   ► My turn.

01:23:11 ◼   ► One.

01:23:12 ◼   ► Tim presents some portion of the keynote in front of a live audience.

01:23:16 ◼   ► Okay.

01:23:16 ◼   ► Question right off the bat.

01:23:18 ◼   ► What does some portion mean?

01:23:21 ◼   ► Like he walks out on stage before they hit play on the video?

01:23:24 ◼   ► There's some Apple employees, I think he means.

01:23:26 ◼   ► Like it was prerecorded, right?

01:23:28 ◼   ► Yeah. But he says live audience, which makes me think developers and press.

01:23:32 ◼   ► I think this needs some clarification.

01:23:35 ◼   ► Well, I mean, I don't actually have to do this sort of like this, but like,

01:23:39 ◼   ► I'll tell you what I'm thinking.

01:23:40 ◼   ► So, because this has changed this pick a few times.

01:23:43 ◼   ► So like I think Tim will present live and like it will be on the video, right?

01:23:48 ◼   ► So people watching at home will see that Tim is presenting

01:23:51 ◼   ► in front of an audience.

01:23:52 ◼   ► Of us? Of developers?

01:23:55 ◼   ► Well, this is the next part.

01:23:56 ◼   ► OK.

01:23:57 ◼   ► Originally, my intention was like developers,

01:24:01 ◼   ► but there is at least one live audience, right?

01:24:05 ◼   ► As we are recording right now, me and Steven, we know we're going to be at WWDC.

01:24:10 ◼   ► We don't know if we will be with developers or on our own or none of the above.

01:24:14 ◼   ► So I think Tim Cook will present some portion of the keynote in front of a live audience.

01:24:19 ◼   ► If I was going to guess, I would assume it would be in front of the developers.

01:24:22 ◼   ► It would be weird if they had like...

01:24:24 ◼   ► [laughs]

01:24:25 ◼   ► It's like, there's developers out there.

01:24:28 ◼   ► You, press people, you're allowed inside.

01:24:31 ◼   ► But who knows though, right?

01:24:32 ◼   ► Maybe they do the State of the Union in front of developers

01:24:34 ◼   ► and the keynote in front of press. I don't know, right?

01:24:37 ◼   ► Okay.

01:24:37 ◼   ► I don't have an answer for that.

01:24:39 ◼   ► but there will be at least one live audience

01:24:41 ◼   ► and I believe Tim Cook, I've actually been wondering,

01:24:44 ◼   ► I don't know if I mentioned this on the last episode or not,

01:24:46 ◼   ► which is funny 'cause we recorded it yesterday,

01:24:50 ◼   ► whether they will do the entire presentation

01:24:52 ◼   ► like they used to.

01:24:53 ◼   ► - I thought they said in the initial announcement

01:24:55 ◼   ► was watch the keynote stream at Apple Park.

01:24:59 ◼   ► I don't think any part of it's gonna be live.

01:25:01 ◼   ► - I don't know.

01:25:02 ◼   ► - I mean, maybe Tim Cook or somebody comes out on stage

01:25:04 ◼   ► and says hello and then the AV guy in the back

01:25:07 ◼   ► it's play on an iPad and we watch the whole keynote.

01:25:09 ◼   ► - That's what I think is most likely to happen

01:25:12 ◼   ► 'cause it would be weird if,

01:25:14 ◼   ► it would be weird to me if they didn't do it that way.

01:25:17 ◼   ► You know?

01:25:18 ◼   ► And then he comes out at the end and like--

01:25:19 ◼   ► - Yeah, they completely, like Tim Cook's not even there.

01:25:22 ◼   ► Like he's completely ignoring the fact

01:25:24 ◼   ► that people are on campus.

01:25:26 ◼   ► - For WWDC, when they did it in front of a live audience,

01:25:29 ◼   ► we'd only see Tim at the start and end.

01:25:31 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:25:32 ◼   ► - Good morning!

01:25:33 ◼   ► - Good morning! - Good morning!

01:25:35 ◼   ► And he would say, "I can't wait to see what you're gonna do with it."

01:25:39 ◼   ► Okay, so there may be a little note when you see it in this one.

01:25:43 ◼   ► Which is a flexi, it's fine.

01:25:45 ◼   ► It's a flexo, you know?

01:25:46 ◼   ► Okay, alright, keep going.

01:25:48 ◼   ► I'm going...

01:25:49 ◼   ► This is a connected extended universe pic.

01:25:53 ◼   ► Widgets on tvOS.

01:25:55 ◼   ► Wow.

01:25:56 ◼   ► So I spoke about this in App Stories.

01:25:57 ◼   ► Yes.

01:25:58 ◼   ► Right?

01:25:59 ◼   ► Why not?

01:26:00 ◼   ► When I said that, I was like, "I like this idea, I want it to happen."

01:26:03 ◼   ► Why not?

01:26:04 ◼   ► Pick three.

01:26:05 ◼   ► More apps can use a picture-in-picture style window

01:26:09 ◼   ► on iPadOS.

01:26:10 ◼   ► - Yeah, so like Quick Note, basically.

01:26:13 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah.

01:26:14 ◼   ► - Four, redesign of the home app again.

01:26:17 ◼   ► - It needs it.

01:26:19 ◼   ► - Yeah, yes, yeah.

01:26:20 ◼   ► - Five, there is no additional external display support

01:26:24 ◼   ► for iPadOS.

01:26:25 ◼   ► - Ooh, this one stings.

01:26:27 ◼   ► - Let me double that up with this was originally

01:26:30 ◼   ► one of my picks and I changed it.

01:26:32 ◼   ► but I think I still kind of believe it.

01:26:35 ◼   ► iPad OS multitasking remains fundamentally the same

01:26:38 ◼   ► as the iPad OS 15 version.

01:26:40 ◼   ► So by that, I mean two apps and slide over.

01:26:43 ◼   ► - That's very sad.

01:26:45 ◼   ► - It's historically been a good pick to make, right?

01:26:48 ◼   ► - You're not wrong.

01:26:49 ◼   ► - Historically, your odds over the last six versions

01:26:54 ◼   ► of iPad OS, you would have got points for that.

01:26:56 ◼   ► So I'm giving it another go.

01:26:59 ◼   ► Last one, seven, big improvements to SwiftUI.

01:27:03 ◼   ► I think SwiftUI is going to get quite a lot of time spent,

01:27:06 ◼   ► probably not in the keynote, but over the week,

01:27:10 ◼   ► you know, probably in State of the Union,

01:27:12 ◼   ► and then we'll see, you know,

01:27:14 ◼   ► they might make reference to it,

01:27:15 ◼   ► and there'll be a bunch of sessions.

01:27:16 ◼   ► But this was inspired when we were talking about shortcuts

01:27:21 ◼   ► on the Mac and how a lot of that was built in SwiftUI,

01:27:25 ◼   ► right, and it was broken in a bunch of ways,

01:27:27 ◼   ► or needed flexes in a bunch of ways,

01:27:29 ◼   ► and that this will probably trickle out for everyone.

01:27:31 ◼   ► But also, we should be seeing big improvements

01:27:34 ◼   ► to SwiftUI a lot because it's supposed to be the future.

01:27:38 ◼   ► - Seven flexes.

01:27:39 ◼   ► - Seven flexes.

01:27:40 ◼   ► - Those of you in the audience who may be disappointed

01:27:43 ◼   ► by these numbers, you know, six, seven flexes,

01:27:45 ◼   ► I'm here and I'm delivering the passion to you

01:27:49 ◼   ► with 10 hot flexes.

01:27:53 ◼   ► - Are they all hot?

01:27:54 ◼   ► They are all sizzling hot flexes.

01:27:58 ◼   ► Every single one of them individually is a sizzling hot flexy?

01:28:02 ◼   ► Yes, it's boiling hot flexes.

01:28:04 ◼   ► Oh, are they getting hotter?

01:28:06 ◼   ► They're getting hotter by the minute!

01:28:09 ◼   ► The boilies!

01:28:10 ◼   ► I don't like that.

01:28:14 ◼   ► I'm here and I'm bringing the passion to close up this episode.

01:28:18 ◼   ► All right, so, strapping, 10 flexes.

01:28:19 ◼   ► You certainly didn't bring it in your regular picks.

01:28:21 ◼   ► No I did, I played very smartly according to the spirit of the Rickies and what he...

01:28:26 ◼   ► Wait, did the spirit of the flexies tell you it needed to be hot?

01:28:29 ◼   ► No, so the spirit of the Rickies is one thing.

01:28:33 ◼   ► Okay.

01:28:34 ◼   ► The flexies are more inspired by nature, you know, it's more of a natural occurrence.

01:28:39 ◼   ► All right, all right.

01:28:40 ◼   ► The flexies are more of a...

01:28:42 ◼   ► Yeah, just hit us with them.

01:28:43 ◼   ► Number one, number one.

01:28:44 ◼   ► Shortcuts gets an API on iOS and iPadOS.

01:28:49 ◼   ► for apps to run shortcuts directly without URL schemes.

01:28:54 ◼   ► So basically what they have on Mac OS,

01:28:56 ◼   ► but also on iOS and iOS.

01:28:58 ◼   ► Number two, shortcuts for Mac gets personal automations.

01:29:02 ◼   ► - Yes, please.

01:29:03 ◼   ► - Please.

01:29:03 ◼   ► - Big missing feature from last year.

01:29:05 ◼   ► Number three, you will be able to set light and dark mode

01:29:10 ◼   ► on a per website basis in Safari.

01:29:14 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:29:15 ◼   ► - AKA Sherlocking.

01:29:16 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:29:17 ◼   ► -I'm sorry, Noor, but I think they're gonna shirtlock that.

01:29:22 ◼   ► Number four. Apple brings Quick Notes floating thing, like the floating window thing, to iOS.

01:29:30 ◼   ► Right now, that Quick Note picture-in-picture thing is only on iPad.

01:29:35 ◼   ► I think they're gonna figure it out on iOS as well, or in general, they should.

01:29:40 ◼   ► Number five. The Music app gets an updated design in the Listen Now page.

01:29:46 ◼   ► I really dislike that page. The information density is all wrong and it's slow to use.

01:29:51 ◼   ► I think they gotta redo it. Steven, please stop highlighting my section.

01:29:55 ◼   ► Sorry! We have told you so many times about this.

01:29:58 ◼   ► We told you so many times! Oh god. Okay.

01:30:01 ◼   ► Just, you need, like, we need to give you a sandbox. Like, you should copy the notes

01:30:07 ◼   ► into your own window. Go play while we read the notes. Yes. Thank you.

01:30:13 ◼   ► Number... where am I? Number six. iPadOS 16. Well, no, the next version of iPadOS is more, you know...

01:30:21 ◼   ► That's fine, we're not gonna be like that.

01:30:24 ◼   ► iPadOS, yeah. iPadOS gets improved split view with at least three apps at once. At least three.

01:30:33 ◼   ► I like the idea of split view with seven apps and they're all just like these tiny little things,

01:30:39 ◼   ► you know?

01:30:39 ◼   ► - And sign in splits, yes.

01:30:41 ◼   ► Number seven, Apple releases a Safari API

01:30:45 ◼   ► to deal with cookie consent forms.

01:30:49 ◼   ► So the idea here is that those things are annoying

01:30:53 ◼   ► and developers are building their own extensions

01:30:55 ◼   ► based on their own heuristics on how to recognize

01:30:58 ◼   ► and accept cookie consent things.

01:31:00 ◼   ► I think Apple can probably do something here

01:31:02 ◼   ► and help out those developers too.

01:31:04 ◼   ► - I like that you have decided

01:31:08 ◼   ► that Apple introduced Safari extensions on iOS

01:31:11 ◼   ► and then decided to just do all the best ones.

01:31:14 ◼   ► You know?

01:31:15 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah.

01:31:17 ◼   ► - I mean, why not?

01:31:18 ◼   ► - Have you also got one for AMP in here?

01:31:21 ◼   ► You wanna put that in?

01:31:22 ◼   ► - Not yet, not yet.

01:31:24 ◼   ► Number eight, you can delete messages in the messages app.

01:31:29 ◼   ► One of the best features of WhatsApp

01:31:31 ◼   ► is that I can send the message

01:31:33 ◼   ► and if I regret sending the message,

01:31:34 ◼   ► I can revoke the message, I can delete it.

01:31:37 ◼   ► - Yeah, so, 'cause you can delete them,

01:31:39 ◼   ► but they don't delete for anyone other than you

01:31:41 ◼   ► on that one device. - Yeah, they don't delete

01:31:43 ◼   ► on the other person's.

01:31:45 ◼   ► So I guess you can delete messages in the messages app,

01:31:48 ◼   ► comma, like in WhatsApp, so we know what it means.

01:31:52 ◼   ► Number nine, this is a big one for me.

01:31:56 ◼   ► Apple introduces a proper Reminders API for developers.

01:32:01 ◼   ► - Okay.

01:32:03 ◼   ► - So Reminders right now, it's based,

01:32:05 ◼   ► It's sort of piggybacks on the EventKit API,

01:32:08 ◼   ► which was originally conceived for calendar events,

01:32:11 ◼   ► and they sort of stuffed reminders in there,

01:32:14 ◼   ► but that API does not have any

01:32:17 ◼   ► of the modern reminders features,

01:32:19 ◼   ► like attachments, links, subtasks,

01:32:23 ◼   ► all those more advanced repeating schedules.

01:32:26 ◼   ► Like, none of that is in there right now,

01:32:29 ◼   ► so they should do a proper API.

01:32:31 ◼   ► And lastly, number 10, we're back to shortcuts.

01:32:34 ◼   ► Shortcuts gets an Excel widget on iPad.

01:32:37 ◼   ► - That'd be nice.

01:32:38 ◼   ► - Because it doesn't have it.

01:32:40 ◼   ► - Oh, it doesn't have one, huh?

01:32:42 ◼   ► - No, no.

01:32:43 ◼   ► - Wow, that's a surprise.

01:32:45 ◼   ► They're so widget focused, you know what I mean?

01:32:47 ◼   ► This was like funny that they didn't.

01:32:49 ◼   ► - So here we go, 10 hot flexes delivered to you.

01:32:54 ◼   ► - Boiling hot.

01:32:54 ◼   ► - Boiling hot flexes.

01:32:56 ◼   ► - Molten hot flexes.

01:32:57 ◼   ► - Molten hot flexes delivered to you with passion

01:33:01 ◼   ► at the end of this episode.

01:33:03 ◼   ► So that does it for this installment of the Ricky's.

01:33:07 ◼   ► Tune in on the week of WWDC to see how we did.

01:33:12 ◼   ► We're not quite sure exactly when that episode will go up

01:33:16 ◼   ► the week of WWDC, so I guess just follow the show on Twitter

01:33:20 ◼   ► and we'll let you know, but we're aiming for Wednesday.

01:33:24 ◼   ► - Remember 66.66% of the show will be recorded in person.

01:33:29 ◼   ► - That's right. - In California.

01:33:30 ◼   ► - That's right, we'll be together.

01:33:33 ◼   ► If you want to find links to stuff we spoke about,

01:33:35 ◼   ► head on over to the website, relay.fm/connected/400.

01:33:40 ◼   ► While you're there, you can send us an email

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01:33:46 ◼   ► Myke is I-M-Y-K-E.

01:33:48 ◼   ► Myke is the host of a bunch of other shows here on Relay FM,

01:33:52 ◼   ► including Upgrade, where they'll be doing a draft for WBC,

01:33:56 ◼   ► or have done a draft, depending on--

01:33:58 ◼   ► - By the time you've heard this, we have done it.

01:34:00 ◼   ► - Unless you're a member

01:34:02 ◼   ► listening to the connected pro version which came out days earlier. You can find Federico

01:34:06 ◼   ► on Twitter at Vitici, V I T I C C I. He's the editor in chief of Max stories.net. I'm

01:34:12 ◼   ► sure you guys have lots of WDC stuff planned.

01:34:16 ◼   ► Sorry, Jason in the discord just as triple J rules. I'll sit in. There we go. Is no,

01:34:22 ◼   ► it's John. John's not there. Jason fills in for Steven. Yeah, I'll be there. That isn't

01:34:27 ◼   ► the official rules. So unless OTJ comes out, which I don't think he's planning to.

01:34:32 ◼   ► Well, you won't want to check on him with that. That's all I'm going to say.

01:34:36 ◼   ► I'll check him. I'll check him of OTJ.

01:34:38 ◼   ► Wait, is Jon going?

01:34:40 ◼   ► Well, check with him.

01:34:42 ◼   ► Jon, are you going?

01:34:44 ◼   ► Check with him! Move on!

01:34:45 ◼   ► I'm pointing it out in the world, I just asked him! He'll get back to me when he hears this!

01:34:50 ◼   ► - Yeah. - Yeah.

01:34:51 ◼   ► - I've realized that I've put myself in a grave situation

01:34:55 ◼   ► that Jason and I are sharing like a apartment

01:35:00 ◼   ► in San Jose for a couple of days when he's there.

01:35:04 ◼   ► He would have the opportunity to take me out in my sleep

01:35:06 ◼   ► and joined.

01:35:07 ◼   ► - I think you're gonna be fine

01:35:08 ◼   ► 'cause there's gonna be another person there who I know.

01:35:10 ◼   ► - Underscore, underscore, you have to save me.

01:35:13 ◼   ► - If there's one person I know to save others,

01:35:17 ◼   ► it's underscore.

01:35:18 ◼   ► 'Cause there was once at WWDC, we were at a party

01:35:22 ◼   ► and I was a little bit drunk.

01:35:23 ◼   ► And Casey gave me his iPhone and it was unlocked.

01:35:28 ◼   ► And I opened Twitter and Underscore took it away from me.

01:35:31 ◼   ► So, you know, right?

01:35:35 ◼   ► Underscore, he'll save you, you know?

01:35:37 ◼   ► - Okay, that's good to know.

01:35:39 ◼   ► You can follow me on Twitter at ISMH

01:35:41 ◼   ► and I write over at 512pixels.net.

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01:35:49 ◼   ► And until we score the picks, guys, say goodbye.

01:35:53 ◼   ► - Arrivederci.

01:35:54 ◼   ► - Cheerio.