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0:00:08What you mugs?
0:00:09Oh my god.
0:00:10Welcome to Connected, episode 398 isn't it?
0:00:14This episode is brought to you by Squarespace and Capit1 and OVA.
0:00:18My name is Myke Hurley and I'm joined by another couple of mugs.
0:00:23One of them is Federico Vittucci, isn't it? Alright Federico?
0:00:26Thank you Myke. Appreciate the introduction.
0:00:29Thank you. Thank you, Michael.
0:00:33What's the whispering for?
0:00:35This is how I'm doing the intro this week.
0:00:38Oh, no, we don't all do special intros every time.
0:00:41I decide when I do the special intro.
0:00:44Oh, that's, I guess you do. Can you introduce Steven then?
0:00:47It is my pleasure to introduce Mr. Steven Hackett.
0:00:52Hello, Steven!
0:00:55You've created so much work for me now to make that listenable.
0:00:58Yeah, there's also massive volume differences between the two of us to begin.
0:01:02Yeah.
0:01:03Which is... that's fun.
0:01:04Myke, that was incredible.
0:01:06I've been thinking about that for a week.
0:01:09My real worry there was I was gonna swear.
0:01:13That was my concern.
0:01:15Because if I slip back into my cockney roots, which by the way, I never sounded exactly
0:01:20like that.
0:01:21That was way more aggressive than I would normally sound.
0:01:23Yeah, you sounded angry.
0:01:24Yeah, well, I mean, cockneys are angry.
0:01:26just like part of their being, you know. Another, another, fine, just, just swear and we'll
0:01:32bleep it out. It's fine. Well, it was like, you know, so much work for me. It's not even,
0:01:37that's why I didn't do it. Plus it would have just been, I mean, it's antagonistic enough,
0:01:40right? I had to call them mugs, but like, you know, like I wanted to call them something
0:01:44else kind of mugs, right? Which is what I would normally do. And that just felt like,
0:01:48you know, you've already pressed play and you've got someone that's on you. You don't
0:01:51need them to curse you too. You know, imagine pressing play, you hear someone shouting,
0:01:56bleeped out from the first three seconds.
0:01:59(laughing)
0:02:02- So there you go.
0:02:04- They're saying release the mic cut in Discord already.
0:02:08- See, they know it.
0:02:09Release the mic cut, yeah, the mic cut.
0:02:11- The mic cut.
0:02:13We're gonna start with some follow up.
0:02:16iOS 15.5, watchOS 8.6 and MacOS 12.4.
0:02:21My word, get your version numbers together, Apple.
0:02:24They're all out.
0:02:25Federica is--
0:02:26It's point four point five and point six.
0:02:29The only order.
0:02:29- Yeah, but it's 12 and eight and 15.
0:02:31- Yeah, it's fine, don't worry about it.
0:02:32- Anything, anything people should know about?
0:02:35- Not really.
0:02:36I mean, really, the thing worth noting is that the shortcuts,
0:02:41you know, bug fixes continue,
0:02:45both on iOS and iPadOS and macOS.
0:02:48Apple has now separate pages for release notes on the Mac
0:02:54and iPhone and iPad. Actually, they're doing a really good job here. I mean, we really
0:02:58criticized shortcuts in September, rightfully so, because it was so buggy and crashy. They've
0:03:04been putting in the work. On each release there's a ton of bug fixes, a ton of stability improvements,
0:03:09still a lot of work to be done, still a lot of SwiftUI weirdness, especially on macOS,
0:03:16but they're continuing to work on this and they're publishing detailed release notes. I don't recall
0:03:23another instance of a system app, maybe Safari? Maybe just Safari has the standalone release notes page.
0:03:31But it's nice to see this work on shortcuts continue and nothing else really. I mean, there's some
0:03:37wallet fixes, I think. Is 0.5 the release where if you are in a participating state you get the
0:03:45driver's license stuff and the wallet keys? The driver's license, I mean, never give a phone
0:03:52to a cop, but still it's pretty cool that you can have, I guess, your ID in there.
0:03:57Yeah, not much else, but I want to see what's coming in 0.6, which we just talked about in the
0:04:06pre-show for Connected Pro listeners. We have a little bet going during the show that we'll
0:04:13resolve at the end of this episode, but yeah, 0.5 just came out, but there's already a beta of 0.6,
0:04:20So we'll see what's in it. But WWDC is coming fast.
0:04:24So I'm also curious to see if iOS 15.6 and the related updates, because there's also
0:04:30watchOS 8.7 and MacOS 12.5. Once again, it's 5, 6 and 7.
0:04:38And tvOS 15.6.
0:04:40Right, I'm sorry, also tvOS. I want to see if this come out in time for WWDC.
0:04:46I wouldn't be surprised if this had something in it eventually that they announced at WWDC.
0:04:54You know? Good theory. So like some new little thing and it's gonna be in... Save it for the
0:05:00rickies. I will say as well 15.5 also contains the support for the external linking thing.
0:05:10for reader apps but I have yet to see any examples of anyone using it but it
0:05:17has the support for that. I think it also has the use your phone as a payment
0:05:22terminal in the US. Oh really? Mm-hmm I think so I think 15.5 brought that.
0:05:27There's nothing else in follow-up I don't think. Liar. Steven broke a phone.
0:05:31He broke another iPhone. Yes. Another one. So badly too. Have you got an image for the show notes?
0:05:39Yeah, I'll put...
0:05:43This is just so bad.
0:05:47So he smashed the back, but I'm pretty sure you can see into the phone in one part of
0:05:52it.
0:05:53It doesn't...
0:05:54It got really hot while charging.
0:05:55Well, yeah, because you've absolutely obliterated it.
0:05:59What kind of charging?
0:06:00Wireless charging?
0:06:01Yeah.
0:06:02Why would you do that?
0:06:03So it's currently plugged into my desk to a lightning cable.
0:06:06Why would you do that?
0:06:07That seems dangerous.
0:06:09It's like, oh, I spilled some water in the lightning port and then plugged it in and
0:06:13my house burnt down. I don't understand.
0:06:18I dropped it from standing height onto concrete without a case.
0:06:21Why are you always around rocks, stones, concrete? Like, why are you so much around hard surfaces?
0:06:33Lisa asked if I have a bucket of sand to put it in.
0:06:35That's very good, Lisa.
0:06:37- It's a hell of a bet.
0:06:40- Look at this, there's like a hole in it.
0:06:42- I know, right?
0:06:43- Yeah, it's bad, it's bad.
0:06:45The case is kind of holding it together.
0:06:47Well, I mean, so my suit is in my backyard,
0:06:52there's a stone walkway to get to it,
0:06:54there's a concrete patio.
0:06:55- And you just can't be bothered to carry your phone,
0:06:57so you just throw it and hope it lands on the grass.
0:06:59- Get a foam patio or something.
0:07:02- Yeah.
0:07:03- Yeah, I don't know how to do something.
0:07:05You should have a case on your phone.
0:07:07Do you not be trusted?
0:07:08- I did for a while and then I got tired of it
0:07:11so I took it off.
0:07:12- Now look what's happened.
0:07:13- You gotta get a rugged case.
0:07:16- I don't know if a case would have saved this one.
0:07:18It probably would have saved it.
0:07:19- 100% would have saved it.
0:07:20Because the smashing impact was clearly right
0:07:23on the back there.
0:07:24- Yeah.
0:07:25- Right?
0:07:25And so that would have never made contact with the phone.
0:07:28- The worst.
0:07:29- Like it's hit like a little stone or something, right?
0:07:31- Yeah, it must have hit like a little raised part.
0:07:33The worst part is it's cracked up into like the camera plateau right up against one of
0:07:37the cameras.
0:07:38And the LIDAR sensor is safe though, so that's good news.
0:07:40Well, no, you can't really see it in that photo, but there was a crack that basically
0:07:44runs around the outside edge of the LIDAR sensor.
0:07:47Right.
0:07:48I have a Genius Bar appointment next week, as soon as I could get out there.
0:07:52They're just going to tell you it's scratched, so...
0:07:54Yeah, it's just scratched.
0:07:56It looks like a scratch to me.
0:07:58Some people asked if I was going to repair it myself.
0:08:00You can't.
0:08:01is not part of the self-service repair.
0:08:04Historically, I don't know if it's true
0:08:06like currently with the 13s,
0:08:08but ever since like the eight and the 10,
0:08:10if you break the back, it's a whole phone replacement
0:08:13because basically everything's built in to the back.
0:08:16- Because it got cheaper to do.
0:08:18- Did it?
0:08:19- Yeah, the out of warranty repair got cheaper.
0:08:21- I would love not to have to replace the phone completely.
0:08:24I mean, it's under AppleCare Plus.
0:08:25I mean, I'll have to pay the service fee,
0:08:27but just going to a new phone is such a pain.
0:08:31So hopefully they can just fix this one.
0:08:33- So that's, are you on, you're on Apple Care?
0:08:36- Yes, Apple Care Plus, the damaged one.
0:08:39So yeah, I go Tuesday morning to get it fixed.
0:08:42- Do you think they have like,
0:08:44do you think they have records?
0:08:45- Like this guy is really bad,
0:08:48charge him more for Apple Care.
0:08:50- Like just they keep a record
0:08:51and then like he's done it again?
0:08:53- I mean, you can look.
0:08:54- Do you think they just see you walking
0:08:56and they're like, oh, he's back.
0:08:58- He's back.
0:08:59- The guy's back.
0:09:00that guy, phone guy's back.
0:09:03I mean, you can look at someone's case history
0:09:06pretty easily based on their Apple ID.
0:09:07So yeah, if someone wanted to,
0:09:09they could go back and see a handful,
0:09:12really just a couple of similar incidents
0:09:14over the last 15 years.
0:09:16- I would expect actually,
0:09:18your Apple store thinks one of two things
0:09:20when you walk through the door, right?
0:09:22It's either one, what's he broken now,
0:09:24or two, what is he gonna buy and return in a week?
0:09:27- Yeah.
0:09:29- You know? - Yeah.
0:09:30Do you think, like, are you trying to get loyalty points or something, Stephen, for
0:09:36breaking devices? No. Because that's not how it works.
0:09:43You do it enough times, you get like a free iPhone case. Give him a little stamp on a
0:09:46card and... So we're just gonna give you this case.
0:09:49Eventually, it's like, you're costing us too much.
0:09:52Sir, we collectively had an idea. We want you to keep this case.
0:09:56We've been about our best minds on this.
0:09:58-Yeah, our gift to you. -Every employee chipped in,
0:10:01and we had this idea.
0:10:03-Please, please, please. -Clearly, this is an issue for you, so...
0:10:06We started a GoFundMe, and we bought you this case.
0:10:10[laughter]
0:10:12Oh, boy. It's annual special time.
0:10:15If you're new around here, once a year, a selection of Relay FM shows
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0:10:46out on Friday, May 20th, uh, it's going to be in that crossover feed with the
0:10:51annual specials and it is the first round in a new thing for connected which
0:10:56yet does not yet have a name but it is a quiz where I will be hosting a long
0:11:03running quiz with my two co-hosts here it's Steven versus Federico this quiz
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0:11:15It will occur during the show, either as planned or unplanned segments.
0:11:22So anytime this quiz will occur, the points will be accrued throughout all the quizzes.
0:11:29So we've already recorded this.
0:11:30We recorded this today.
0:11:32It was, I would say, a great success.
0:11:34I thought it went very well.
0:11:36Very happy with it.
0:11:37The first round of the quiz is a trivia quiz about WWDC, of which there are 20 questions.
0:11:44these two boys racked up a selection of points.
0:11:47These points will now be carried through to future quizzes
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0:12:13But no matter what show you support, you will get access to the quiz that we have recorded
0:12:18for you that will come out on Friday, May 20th.
0:12:20And I really hope that you'll enjoy it.
0:12:22It was a lot of fun.
0:12:23I'm so pleased about this idea.
0:12:26And it's a long running quiz.
0:12:28So on Friday, you get the first taste of it.
0:12:32But Myke plans to torture us with this quiz over time throughout, you know, many months,
0:12:38years in the future.
0:12:40So you know, keep following I guess.
0:12:44At certain points I hope that you just hear me take a deep breath like and you're worried
0:12:48that I've got a quiz question for you.
0:12:50This is the kind of environment that I'm hoping to create on this show.
0:12:56Cyberbullying.
0:12:57Yeah.
0:12:58It's cyber quizzing.
0:12:59Quiz bullying.
0:13:01All the kids are doing it.
0:13:02Are they?
0:13:04I don't know.
0:13:06I don't know what kids do.
0:13:07They do TikTok.
0:13:08That's what they do.
0:13:09- Oh yeah, I guess that's probably true.
0:13:10- I might make some TikTok quizzes.
0:13:12- Who knows?
0:13:13- Who could tell?
0:13:14- Who could tell?
0:13:15- We have some follow out.
0:13:16Myke, you were on App Stories episode 274
0:13:21as the TVOS expert.
0:13:23- Yep, so on App Stories,
0:13:25Federico and John have been doing their annual wish lists
0:13:28for various operating systems.
0:13:30I think neither of them could be bothered to think of TVOS,
0:13:34so they drafted me in.
0:13:35And I had, what was it, six things, I think?
0:13:39six features that I wanted added to tvOS to everybody's surprise because I have
0:13:44things I would like in tvOS as the tvOS expert. Nobody thinks about tvOS more
0:13:49than me as is proven on episode one hundred and two hundred and seventy four
0:13:56of App Stories. Episode one thousand two hundred and seventy four.
0:14:01He thought of things that like I couldn't even imagine. What was one of them? Like
0:14:06Like there was one about, just give me one of them.
0:14:10Do you remember one of them, Myke?
0:14:12He says all of them were--
0:14:12- Is there something that is particularly
0:14:15in your mind right now?
0:14:16- You said something shocking
0:14:18that like no one had ever thought of before.
0:14:20- Yeah. - Widgets?
0:14:21- Widgets on the, yeah.
0:14:23- Or was it the X-ray feature, the Amazon X-ray thing?
0:14:25- The X-ray, so many of those ideas were incredible.
0:14:29So yeah, go listen to the episode.
0:14:30I mean, he's the TVOS guy.
0:14:33And obviously we are looking forward
0:14:35to the review of TVOS 16 in September.
0:14:40It's gonna happen.
0:14:41A whole new design this year.
0:14:44- I really hope they don't do a lot though, right?
0:14:47Like, you know, can you imagine if they're like,
0:14:49this year we've decided to focus primarily on TVOS.
0:14:53- Oh no.
0:14:53- Can you imagine that?
0:14:54Like that's it.
0:14:55That's just the thing.
0:14:56And then I'm stuck.
0:14:57Like Federico does like a two minute segment on connected
0:14:59and I have to do like a four month long segment.
0:15:01- Imagine that.
0:15:02- That'd be amazing.
0:15:03- That'd be nice.
0:15:04- It'd be horrible.
0:15:05I'm not ready for that.
0:15:06- Federico will be on episode 641 of Mac Power Users.
0:15:11The link is in the show notes.
0:15:13It won't work until Sunday when the episode goes up.
0:15:16David and I are very glad you came
0:15:18to hang out with us this week.
0:15:20I really enjoyed our conversation.
0:15:21- Thank you.
0:15:22- I think connected listeners will enjoy
0:15:24a lot of the themes we talk about here,
0:15:26sort of explored in a new way over there.
0:15:29- Different side of me.
0:15:31- A more powerful way.
0:15:32- Yes.
0:15:32- Probably more serious way,
0:15:34- I'm gonna assume too.
0:15:35- Yeah. - Fewer Japes.
0:15:36- Yeah, fewer Japes.
0:15:38Lots of hashtag productivity content, you know?
0:15:42You know, that kind of stuff.
0:15:43- Kept talking about Obsidian,
0:15:43I kept trying to-- - No, I didn't--
0:15:44- Keep stop. - Keep talking.
0:15:46It was like not even 10 minutes of two hours or something.
0:15:50- I'm surprised actually with David and Federico
0:15:52on the same episode. - Exactly.
0:15:54We try to really, you know,
0:15:56we know that Steven is here and other people are listening,
0:15:59so just, you know, give us 10 minutes
0:16:02is all we're asking for.
0:16:04- Savva in the Discord has said,
0:16:06"Myke's future quizzes will all be about tvOS."
0:16:08(laughing)
0:16:10- Can you imagine?
0:16:11- The future of TV is blank.
0:16:14- The future of TV is Myke.
0:16:16So.
0:16:17- That's true.
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0:17:49- So to celebrate Global Accessibility Awareness Day,
0:17:54Apple once again, I think they did this,
0:17:57I know they did this last year,
0:17:58I think it was the first time,
0:18:00or maybe it was a couple of times.
0:18:02Apple kind of pre-announced
0:18:04some upcoming accessibility features.
0:18:06You know, this could have been something
0:18:07that they would do as part of WWDC,
0:18:09but I actually think is way better to do
0:18:12as part of Global Accessibility Awareness Day,
0:18:14because I mean, it's focused around that day
0:18:18and Apple can kind of make a bigger song and dance of it
0:18:21in the sense of like letting people know
0:18:23that this thing even exists, right?
0:18:24Because a lot of articles will be written
0:18:26that mentions, for example, right?
0:18:28These are the features, they did it because of this.
0:18:30Plus it also allows them to go into way more detail
0:18:33than I think they would be able to fit into a WWDC keynote.
0:18:36There's a long list of things.
0:18:40I wanted to pull a couple out of the smaller ones
0:18:43and then we can maybe talk about, I think,
0:18:44a couple of the bigger ones that were interesting.
0:18:47So some of the things that they had
0:18:49were Apple Watch mirroring on the iPhone.
0:18:52So this is like, it would let you see the screen
0:18:54of your Apple Watch on your iPhone
0:18:57So you can use things like voice control and like switch control and a lot of the various
0:19:03ways that Apple have built tools to allow you to control the iPhone.
0:19:07So you could use them on the Apple watch, which is actually I think a pretty smart way
0:19:11of not needing to build those tools twice in ways that wouldn't necessarily work.
0:19:16So that was cool.
0:19:18They have more controls for watch navigation.
0:19:20So you remember they did like the gripping and the pointing.
0:19:25they've also got like a pinch gesture now too. There's more language support for voiceover
0:19:31in general on the iPhone, so more languages now have included a voiceover. There's something
0:19:36I thought was amazing called Buddy Controller. So you can attach two controllers by Bluetooth
0:19:43to a device and they both control the same thing. So let's imagine, let's say you're
0:19:50playing a platforming game, two people could have a controller connected to that one game
0:19:55controlling that one character. So if somebody needed help, they needed somebody to help
0:19:59them, maybe they have limited mobility or they just need more assistance, right? Like
0:20:03they're struggling with the game, right? You could have two people controlled the same
0:20:07thing. I thought that was super cool. My personal favorite was live captions because I remember
0:20:14Google adding this to Android a couple of years ago and I was very jealous of it. So
0:20:19So this is, it's in voice, like in video calling, I think it may be video calling, for media
0:20:26apps and stuff like that, it will, you don't need to have audio on, you can have the audio
0:20:32down or you can have the audio up, and it's basically using the on-device language processing
0:20:38to show captions for what's on the screen.
0:20:40I think this is just fantastic.
0:20:42Like it's something that obviously is super useful for people that need it, but there's
0:20:47also useful people that want it like me which is you know good accessibility
0:20:51features can be used by everyone you know yeah and this is one of them and so
0:20:57yeah I would be able to have my volume down and watch somebody's Instagram
0:21:02stories or whatever right which I just think is like a really clever feature
0:21:06Federica I know you wanted to talk about door detection yeah that seems really
0:21:10impressive it's the fact that it's powered by the
0:21:16The LIDAR sensor makes sense, so you will get it on the iPhone 12 and later, I want
0:21:21to say, and the most recent iPads as well.
0:21:26It seems really incredible, and the way that it works, you know, that it can not only detect
0:21:31the distance of a door, but whether it's unlocked or not, if it can be opened by pushing or
0:21:36by using a knob, or if there's a handle or something, and it also tells you using voice
0:21:42over what's the sign on the door, what does it say.
0:21:45it seems really well done. And I mean, they're talking about this in the context of iPhone
0:21:50and iPad now, but if they ever do a wearable AR device, I mean, the potential there for
0:21:56this kind of stuff is incredible, right? You're wearing glasses and the glasses tell you,
0:22:01"Hey, you're looking at a door and it needs to be unlocked by pushing and it's five feet
0:22:05away and it says, you know, this on the door." Like, that seems incredible.
0:22:11- That's a pretty intense machine learning task too, right?
0:22:14- Yeah.
0:22:15- Like to work out if a door can be pushed or pulled.
0:22:17- Yeah, they say it can tell if it's open or closed
0:22:22and if it can be opened by pushing, turning a knob,
0:22:25or pulling a handle.
0:22:26- Like I don't even know that most of the time.
0:22:29- Yeah, right?
0:22:30Who's pulled on a door that says push
0:22:33and then you feel silly.
0:22:34But yeah, I mean, and this is,
0:22:36that's the attention to detail
0:22:37that I think is so fascinating in this.
0:22:40If you're going to do something like door detection,
0:22:42of course you need all of those details.
0:22:44And with LIDAR and these other tools,
0:22:47they really can get a good image,
0:22:50a good analysis of what's around the phone or the iPad,
0:22:57'cause the iPad Pros have LIDAR on them now.
0:22:59Seems very impressive to me.
0:23:02- And also I wanted to call out,
0:23:05I mean, obviously as far as AR goes, live captions,
0:23:10You know, that kind of stuff will also be applicable in the future to an AR device.
0:23:15I don't know if you saw in Google I/O they did a demo of the translation thing?
0:23:20They did a demo of the translation thing.
0:23:22Obviously like doing real-time translation much more difficult than showing captions
0:23:26for a video, right?
0:23:29Because I imagine that in a video the system does not necessarily need to analyze the captions
0:23:36in real time.
0:23:37Like, you're seeing the captions in real time, but the system may be using a buffer to actually
0:23:42pre-analyze the whole video and load the captions beforehand, right?
0:23:46Because you're watching the video, but the system can analyze the entire video before
0:23:51you even see it in, like, I don't know, seconds.
0:23:55Real-time translation means the system is listening alongside you to whatever someone
0:24:01else is saying.
0:24:02So that's much more challenging, because there's no buffer in real life, obviously, when someone
0:24:07is speaking. But live captions and translations, you know, obviously all of these features
0:24:13make sense to prepare for a future in which maybe something that you're wearing gives
0:24:18you this kind of information in real time. I also wanted to call out, you know, some
0:24:23minor detail that caught my attention. The fact that Apple specifically called out these
0:24:30visual customizations coming in the Books app. Besides the fact that this new...
0:24:37there's going to be multiple themes in Books for iOS 16. They never say iOS 16
0:24:44by name, but you know, obviously they're talking about this. And they're bringing
0:24:47back a paper theme. So there's going to be a paper background in Books again,
0:24:53which I thought was funny. But this visual customization with multiple themes, it
0:24:59It makes me wonder if visual customization inside apps, maybe even outside of apps, given what Google announced at I/O,
0:25:09will finally be a theme in 2016, given the lack of visual customization stuff in iOS 15 last year.
0:25:19Also, that UI in books for customizing the UI, that card that pops up from the bottom
0:25:27of the screen, I wouldn't be surprised, and a bunch of developers have confirmed, like,
0:25:32had the same theory I've seen on Twitter, if that's one of the new SwiftUI changes,
0:25:39like a new SwiftUI API in iOS 16, being able to do those bottom-based cards like you may
0:25:48have seen in Apple Maps, like you may have seen to an extent in Safari, yes. And a lot
0:25:57of developers have been asking for a SwiftUI version of that, which doesn't exist at the
0:26:01moment, and we may be looking right at it in that screenshot.
0:26:06You would assume so. Right? Like, if it's there. I mean, I don't know if Books is made
0:26:13in SwiftUI, but I guess ultimately everything will be at some point.
0:26:17But also, that visual customization stuff, please make it happen for more apps, not just
0:26:22books. Give me that in notes. Give me multiple themes. That should be a system-wide thing
0:26:29this year.
0:26:30There was another story. There's a lot of little bits and bobs coming out right now,
0:26:35a lot of press releases. We mentioned 15.6 is out and there's some enterprise press release
0:26:41today.
0:26:42Oh, and by the way, there's no sign of Apple Music Classical in 15.6.
0:26:47That was the bet.
0:26:48Yeah, I was looking, I honestly don't see anything, so I guess it's just more bug fixes.
0:26:55For now.
0:26:56There was an App Store subscription change that was announced on the developer center.
0:27:03Basically now, this will allow a company like an app that offers a subscription to increase
0:27:10the price of that subscription and have it automatically renew without explicit user
0:27:16permission. So you as a user will be notified that the price is increasing. You get like
0:27:21a little sheet that pops up and it tells you how much and when and you just press OK or
0:27:27you can tap an obscured text link I'll say to allow you to go and manage the subscription.
0:27:35it will automatically change the price unless you cancel.
0:27:40So this was not possible before.
0:27:42So if you wanted to increase the price of your subscription,
0:27:46you had to create a new subscription tier
0:27:49and ask people to change to it, right?
0:27:51Like it wasn't, there wasn't like a flow.
0:27:54This is the Disney+ rule.
0:27:56I think Disney were the first company to be using this.
0:28:01Disney have been using this.
0:28:03Like there are examples of people who have seen
0:28:07this thing happen to them.
0:28:09Like a thing has popped up and said,
0:28:11oh, your price is gonna increase from 599 a month
0:28:14to 899 a month or whatever it was from this date.
0:28:18This was, nobody else was, seemed to have had this.
0:28:22Disney had this.
0:28:23And you can see why, right?
0:28:25Like Disney, you know, Apple wants Disney
0:28:28to have the in-app purchase, right?
0:28:30They don't want them to Netflix them.
0:28:32They want them to have an in-app purchase option,
0:28:34which Disney does for Disney Plus.
0:28:36You can buy it through Apple's platform.
0:28:38Disney want to put up their prices.
0:28:41They don't want to then ask everyone, please do this.
0:28:45So I assume they've gone to Apple and have said,
0:28:48can you help us with this?
0:28:49This is my assumption of this part, right?
0:28:51This is conjecture, but I think it makes sense.
0:28:54But I'm sure that Apple were getting this
0:28:56from a lot of their partners, right?
0:28:58Larger companies who want to put their prices up.
0:29:00There are rules about how much you can increase.
0:29:03So you can't go wild with it.
0:29:05I'll give you some examples here.
0:29:06So if a developer increases a weekly
0:29:09or monthly subscription price by more than 50%,
0:29:12and that difference is over $5, it doesn't qualify.
0:29:16This is for the monthly one, right?
0:29:18- So then you're in the old system
0:29:19where people have to sign back up.
0:29:21- Yeah, or you just can't do it, right?
0:29:23So you have to do it other ways, right?
0:29:25But you can't use this system.
0:29:27And for an annual subscription,
0:29:28developers can still raise the price
0:29:30by 50% but can't raise it by more than $50 without requiring an opt-in.
0:29:35So you can go anywhere up to 50% but you have cap limits that you can do that difference
0:29:42over.
0:29:43So if you add a $10 subscription, like a month, you can't raise it to $20 or whatever.
0:29:49You can only go up to $15 maximum.
0:29:51If you had a $20 subscription, you can't actually raise it by $10, you can only raise it by
0:29:56$5.
0:29:57even though 50% would be 10,
0:29:59the difference cannot be more than $5.
0:30:02Does that make sense?
0:30:03It's a little complicated, that part,
0:30:04but basically it's never more than 50%
0:30:07and it's never more than a set amount of money that goes up.
0:30:11So this feels like something that Apple are doing
0:30:16for the companies more than for the users,
0:30:20but this is business.
0:30:22This is how is she gonna do it, right?
0:30:24If you're Disney, what are you gonna do?
0:30:26Apple want you to go through their system,
0:30:28well then Apple have to help you out.
0:30:31- Yeah, it's just a cost of doing business this way, right?
0:30:34And I get that, I mean,
0:30:39I get why companies want that flexibility
0:30:42and it's good for Apple, like you said,
0:30:44to keep as many people as possible in the in-app system.
0:30:47You know, they don't want you,
0:30:49they don't want Disney+ walking away
0:30:50and then them not getting their cut, so.
0:30:53- Oh yeah, that's a good point.
0:30:54This benefits Apple too, right?
0:30:55because if Disney successfully, this is a raise,
0:30:58Apple just got a raise because Disney put their prices up.
0:31:00- Right, and they're not doing like,
0:31:02like say that Disney+ had a cost increase
0:31:05and Apple didn't have a system like this,
0:31:07that may be opportunity for Disney to say,
0:31:08"You know what, why are we doing this at all?
0:31:10"Why don't we just do the Netflix?"
0:31:11And you just have to sign up online.
0:31:13And so this is a way to incentivize those big companies
0:31:16to stay within the in-app system,
0:31:19which means Apple gets to take their cut.
0:31:21- And especially at a time
0:31:23when they're now offering the exemption stuff, right?
0:31:25For the reader apps.
0:31:26Well, you know, in Apple's defense, they do tell you.
0:31:31- They do, and the prompt is very clear.
0:31:33Like it says, plan, new price, old price, the starting date.
0:31:37So I feel like it's communicated as clearly as it could be.
0:31:41So that works for me.
0:31:43Do we expect anything else from Apple pre-WVDC?
0:31:46I mean, we're coming up now, what, just a couple of weeks?
0:31:49- I mean, they've done something like every day this week.
0:31:51I expect there will still be more stuff, little bits and bobs.
0:31:54There might be some bad news to come, right?
0:31:58Like they do that, like if they have like a big bad news thing.
0:32:01What could be bad news right now?
0:32:03Not necessarily bad news, but like stuff where there's lots of questions.
0:32:07Like when they introduced the subscription thing, do you remember that?
0:32:10And they changed the...
0:32:12They added like 30 and 15 for the first time,
0:32:14and they did a bunch of news articles, and we all believed at the time,
0:32:18it was like, well, because if you announced this during the WWDC event itself,
0:32:21no one will be talking about anything else.
0:32:23They would just be talking about the money part.
0:32:26So they did it like a week before or something.
0:32:28And then all of the questions got worked out before then.
0:32:31If you remember a couple,
0:32:32I think it was maybe two years ago,
0:32:34they did the thing where they said,
0:32:35"Oh, now you can appeal
0:32:37"and we're not gonna kick you out of the store anymore."
0:32:40Do you remember when there was a whole thing
0:32:42with hay and base camp?
0:32:43- Yeah, hay.
0:32:44- So, I mean, I can't think of anything
0:32:46that's immediately on the horizon.
0:32:48Maybe they'll do something more around like,
0:32:51the third party payment stuff because they have been categorically failing to meet what regulators are looking for.
0:32:59So maybe they have something bigger and maybe they'll do it before WWDC.
0:33:03I don't know but like they have done that in the past like if there's some kind of change to the developer terms or money,
0:33:10they do it before and I think for good reasons so it people can kind of get it out of the system before WWDC begins.
0:33:18Because it feels like this stuff's like maybe we're a month or what three weeks
0:33:23out. I don't have the dates in front of me but I feel like some of that stuff
0:33:26came basically the week before and so there's definitely still time. I agree
0:33:30with you I think there's more. They're pretty active right now right? They are.
0:33:34So it would I would it would suggest you know so like you got like the active is
0:33:38an active volcano right and there might be an eruption now between now and WWDC.
0:33:43It's more likely to stay active, you know, now that it is. Or something.
0:33:47Or something like that. But it does seem like they are just like, they're pumping out stuff right now.
0:33:53Like, if it would have been just the accessibility stuff, it'd be like, "Oh, that makes sense, there's a day for it."
0:33:58But like, in the past week or two, there's just been like a bunch of press releases and they're just putting things out all over the place.
0:34:05Like, left, right, and center.
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0:35:38have this week, we have next week, then it's the Ricky's, oh boy, then it's WWDC.
0:35:45Oh my. Oh, it's so soon! Today we're gonna take a look back at both TVOS 15 and
0:35:54and watchOS 8, then next week we will do Mac OS whatever it is 12?
0:36:0012.
0:36:01100?
0:36:02What Mac OS is it 12?
0:36:04100.
0:36:051200.
0:36:061200.
0:36:071200.
0:36:08And then it's Ricky's time.
0:36:09I guess it's probably worth noting now, we're recording the Ricky's in advance, so I actually
0:36:15want to bring up something to the court if I can approach the bench.
0:36:20If I remember rightly based on the rules, as if somebody could imagine remembering the
0:36:26rules.
0:36:27I have a document.
0:36:28It begins, I mean, if any have changed, the scoring begins...
0:36:32The document is accurate though, let me open the document.
0:36:35Okay, the scoring begins once the episode ends, right?
0:36:38Because if that's the case, we get an extra week.
0:36:42Yeah, let me read it.
0:36:44Scoring is completed during recording and cannot be modified once an episode is complete.
0:36:49So we have that part of it.
0:36:51For keynote rookies, the scoring window starts
0:36:53when the event begins and closes when the picks are scored.
0:36:57- Something could happen between when we record in WWDC,
0:37:01right, and we're not gonna get it.
0:37:02But it's 'cause the reason I mention it,
0:37:03it's a longer gap this time.
0:37:05- It is.
0:37:06So for example, let's just say that my risky pick was
0:37:11Apple allows third-party payment processors
0:37:15in the App Store.
0:37:16If they announce that before WWDC,
0:37:19but after I made the pick, I don't get the point.
0:37:22- Okay. - According to the rules.
0:37:23- That's good to know for now.
0:37:25And I'll be, I'll keep that in mind
0:37:26when I'm working on my picks next week.
0:37:28- Yep. - Definitely.
0:37:29- So no, no, no, hold on.
0:37:30Can you repeat that? - Yep.
0:37:31- Can you repeat, I got confused.
0:37:32So we got-- - My example?
0:37:33- Yes.
0:37:35- Okay, so say, just say that my Ricky's is,
0:37:39Ricky's is is, my Ricky pick is,
0:37:42Apple allows third party payment processors
0:37:44in the App Store. - Yeah.
0:37:45but they announced that, so we're recording early
0:37:49because of some travel stuff.
0:37:51It'll be out the regular day,
0:37:53but we're gonna record it a few days early.
0:37:55Say that Apple announces that before WOBD-C,
0:37:59but after our recording, then I wouldn't get the point.
0:38:04Now, in a way that's not new
0:38:05because we've always recorded and released the Ricky's
0:38:09several days before the keynote.
0:38:11It just, there's a few more days now
0:38:13between recording and publication that make that possible.
0:38:16- It feels like we're usually in a downtime.
0:38:18- Right.
0:38:19- Where I feel like it won't be as much.
0:38:22It's like a full week, right?
0:38:24So we'll see.
0:38:25Just, I want to just get that out
0:38:27before I start working on my picks.
0:38:29And also I wanted to say it clearly now,
0:38:34so people don't start sending us tweets
0:38:36if something happens, right?
0:38:37Like everyone understands now
0:38:39we've very clearly stated the rules, okay?
0:38:42Let's look back at tvOS 15.
0:38:44- All right, yeah.
0:38:45Big, big release, right?
0:38:48- I think, yeah, I mean, there was stuff.
0:38:51I think there was more than 14, honestly.
0:38:53Oh, I don't remember tvOS 14 now.
0:38:55They all blur, you know, at a certain point.
0:38:57- It doesn't help.
0:38:58It doesn't help that all they do
0:38:59is like a 10 minute segment, maybe even less.
0:39:03- If they do that.
0:39:04- A lot of work needs to happen post keynote.
0:39:06- Yeah.
0:39:07- If you're in the tvOS space like I am, you know?
0:39:10the forums really go wild.
0:39:12- Right.
0:39:13- You know, TVOS forums.
0:39:14- That TVOS underground really popping off.
0:39:17- These things aren't on Reddit.
0:39:19It's a private forum for TVOS.
0:39:22TVOS 15 allowed you to be able to join WiFi networks
0:39:29that need a web browser login,
0:39:31which is something the Apple watch could do
0:39:33a really long time ago.
0:39:35But hey, we don't have to worry about that.
0:39:37We got it in TVOS 15.
0:39:38So if you took an Apple TV with you on your vacation,
0:39:43you could plug it in and you'd be able to connect
0:39:45to the hotel wifi, right?
0:39:47- Yeah.
0:39:48- That's the thing.
0:39:48- A lot of companies have this or schools have this, right?
0:39:51It's just making setting up the Apple TV
0:39:54a little bit easier if you don't have ethernet.
0:39:57- I think they're called captive logins.
0:39:59- That's right.
0:40:00In fact, this is a real throwback for you.
0:40:03With the iPod touch, we discontinued,
0:40:05I was watching a few iPod touch keynotes this week,
0:40:09just sort of in the background.
0:40:11And that's one of the reasons they said that Safari
0:40:15needed to be on the iPod touch
0:40:17was for captive portal login stuff.
0:40:19So you could then download music
0:40:20in the iTunes music store.
0:40:22- You were just watching iPod touch keynotes
0:40:24in the background?
0:40:25- Yeah, just leave them running, you know?
0:40:27- Yeah.
0:40:28Steven, I need you to stop highlighting things
0:40:32in the Google doc.
0:40:33- Okay.
0:40:34- You make it very hard for me to read.
0:40:35- Why does he do that?
0:40:36- I don't know why he does that.
0:40:38Steven does this though, he does it on all the shows.
0:40:40So we use Google Docs, right?
0:40:42We can be in Google Docs all at the same time,
0:40:44we can be collaborating, you know,
0:40:46each of us can be typing, wow, this is a great time.
0:40:49But if you highlight something as a Google Docs user,
0:40:52it highlights it for everyone else in a different color.
0:40:56- Yeah, it's just like a thing,
0:40:57just like moving my hand around, you know?
0:40:59- Can you do it somewhere else though?
0:41:02I need my own separate highlightable.
0:41:06- You need a fidget spinner is what you need.
0:41:07- Yeah, this is not a fidget toy, man.
0:41:09It's Google Docs.
0:41:11- This is like the official cursor resting area
0:41:13when you recall with John.
0:41:14- This is, so as well, like, you know you get like,
0:41:18you get like Fisher-Price toys or whatever for your kids,
0:41:20right, and they're like meant to look like
0:41:23things that adults do.
0:41:25We need to get you a version of that,
0:41:27but it's like a document.
0:41:28It's like my first show notes.
0:41:31and you can just click around in there
0:41:33and do whatever you want and it's not gonna affect anyone.
0:41:35- Change everything to Comic Sans.
0:41:37So you were burning me about watching iPod Touch keynotes
0:41:41and now you're burning me about my Google Doc hygiene.
0:41:44- Well, I mean, the Google Doc thing,
0:41:46you brought that on yourself.
0:41:47I think you kind of brought it all on yourself.
0:41:49I'm just intrigued, you know, like the things you get up to,
0:41:53but I guess when you're a historian,
0:41:55a noted Apple historian, you've got to stay up on the history.
0:41:59- Published Apple historian.
0:42:01- Pub published, wait, where?
0:42:05- I mean, literally right now being published.
0:42:07- Maxstories.net.
0:42:09- Maxstories.net, I wrote a book, I have a calendar.
0:42:12- Self published.
0:42:12- Can we have a second calendar?
0:42:13- Self published book.
0:42:15- Wow.
0:42:17- Wow.
0:42:18- Well, it is self published though,
0:42:19you know what I'm saying?
0:42:21It is a self published book.
0:42:22- It was a--
0:42:23- But you are, I called you a note,
0:42:24I called you a noted Apple historian,
0:42:26I felt like that was good enough
0:42:27and then you had to try and take it another place.
0:42:30Noted, but you are world renowned.
0:42:33How about that?
0:42:34- I like it.
0:42:35- Yeah, world renowned Apple story.
0:42:37You can use another device to authorize purchases,
0:42:40which is great.
0:42:41- That is cool.
0:42:42That is actually a fantastic feature.
0:42:44- And this is good for a couple of reasons, right?
0:42:46'Cause it can let you use face ID,
0:42:47which is like good for making sure things
0:42:51are bought correctly.
0:42:52- Yes.
0:42:53- Not just having them like randomly purchased
0:42:55because I know like, I'm sure like the both of you
0:42:58before then, you'd enter in your password
0:43:01and I just had to have the setting of like,
0:43:03never ask me again.
0:43:04- Yup.
0:43:05- Because like, I just can't keep typing in like,
0:43:08swipe left, swipe right, swipe left, it's just terrible.
0:43:11- And they did the thing, I think it may be TVOS 13 or 14,
0:43:16where you could use your iPhone as a keyboard.
0:43:19And at some point that even supported
0:43:21like the auto-fill password.
0:43:23- That's the password thing, yup.
0:43:24Which is great, but that was still too slow.
0:43:27But this is fantastic.
0:43:29Friday nights are movie night in my house.
0:43:32So we order pizza, watch a movie.
0:43:35Oh, I like pizza.
0:43:36And you won't like Steven's pizza though.
0:43:38No, I don't get to eat the pizza.
0:43:40Everybody else does.
0:43:41Do you not get the gluten-free pizza?
0:43:43The dairy's the problem.
0:43:44Dairy-free cheese.
0:43:46Yeah, dairy-free cheese is terrible.
0:43:48Sylvia has the same problem.
0:43:49So yeah, I get it.
0:43:50It's no good.
0:43:51Yeah, that is the biggest issue, right?
0:43:53Is the dairy free cheese, it's not so good.
0:43:57I'm sorry if you love it or like,
0:44:00I'm sorry if you like Steven are bound to it,
0:44:03but I think it's not great.
0:44:06- No, it's not great.
0:44:07- But yeah, movies.
0:44:08- Anyways, sometimes we've written a movie or buy movies,
0:44:10sometimes we watch something,
0:44:12most of the time we're streaming something on Disney Plus
0:44:13or whatever, but it's kind of nice.
0:44:15Like if the kids want to rent something and they ask
0:44:18and like, yeah, go ahead.
0:44:19And then I can just like have my phone out real quick
0:44:21and they can still have the remote even, right?
0:44:24'Cause they don't need the remote
0:44:25to do to like trigger it or anything.
0:44:27This legitimately, I think is like the best feature
0:44:29they added in tvOS 15.
0:44:31- What was the last, what was the movie on last Friday?
0:44:34- What was the movie last Friday?
0:44:35- Yeah, and also what was the pizza?
0:44:37- Well, we do one cheese and one sausage
0:44:41from this place in the neighborhood.
0:44:43- What does that mean?
0:44:44- One cheese pizza.
0:44:45- What is a cheese pizza?
0:44:47Every pizza is cheese.
0:44:48- No, but it's just cheese, right?
0:44:50So like, it's like a low moisture mozzarella.
0:44:54- Yeah.
0:44:55No tomato sauce?
0:44:57- Well, no, it has tomato sauce,
0:44:58but it's like, it's everything up to the cheese
0:45:00and then that's it.
0:45:01You know, there's no toppings.
0:45:03- So margarita.
0:45:03- No, that has other stuff on it.
0:45:06- No, no, that's not true.
0:45:07Okay, so I'm gonna act as the immediate.
0:45:09- Can you translate this for me?
0:45:11Can you translate this for me, Myke?
0:45:13- Federico, margarita, Steven, cheese, right?
0:45:17Because there is a thing in America
0:45:19to margherita pizza and but but Federico does not want to know what that is I'll
0:45:23tell you that right now Federico does not want to know what that is a pizza
0:45:26with alcohol in it and sometimes you get salt around the room do not tell me what
0:45:29a margherita pizza no that's no he's talking about margherita the alcohol now
0:45:33he's trying to throw you off all right and then a sausage is just like it's
0:45:37like spicy sausage like kind of like an Italian style sausage yeah exactly which
0:45:42is really good I'm trying to think of what movie we watched on Friday remember
0:45:46the pizza doesn't remember the movie. I don't watch red notice over the
0:45:51weekend. It's the picture one of those net no net no that's what we don't read
0:45:54isn't the one of the rock and Ryan Reynolds and Gal Gadot great movie
0:46:00surprising amount of swastikas in it though. I'm just going to say oh like
0:46:04just a surprising amount. So this was an original movie and it's a lot of Nazis
0:46:09in it and a lot of swastikas. I was very surprised by this good movie, but like
0:46:15surprising amount of swastikas like it wasn't what I was expecting took a real
0:46:19turn the movie and then there was lots of it and I was surprised by this but
0:46:25otherwise funny movie okay I am filling time for you to find out your Friday
0:46:33movie oh I'm not supposed to be looking like who am I gonna ask I'm the only one
0:46:38here what about your purchase history I think we I'm sure we streamed it so I
0:46:42- Oh, well then that whole story was a lie, wasn't it?
0:46:44That setup of like--
0:46:45- Sometimes we purchase things,
0:46:47sometimes we stream things.
0:46:48I wanna say Friday they just streamed something
0:46:50that we had already seen.
0:46:52- Right.
0:46:53Picture in picture for HomeKit cameras
0:46:55was added in tvOS 15.
0:46:56- Oh yeah.
0:46:58- As was the store tab in the TV app,
0:47:01which still sends you to other places, which annoys me.
0:47:04- Yeah, we've talked about-- - No, I just want that.
0:47:07- We've talked about this before,
0:47:08but the way that sort of the legacy iTunes media store
0:47:12shows up across these different apps
0:47:15and like on the phone, there's still the iTunes store.
0:47:19Like it's just all so broken and confusing
0:47:22and they really need to, I think,
0:47:25have like a universal, like this is the way it works, right?
0:47:29If you wanna buy something, it's the same flow
0:47:32no matter what app you're in, it's a bit messy.
0:47:34- I have to raise a complaint with the Discord.
0:47:38Didn't I say nobody tell Federico what Americans call Margarita?
0:47:43Didn't I tell...
0:47:43I'm sorry but I saw that photo.
0:47:44Didn't I say?
0:47:45I saw that...
0:47:46I know but this is why I said don't tell him!
0:47:48That first photo is all wrong!
0:47:51This is a cone of like silence or trust here, whatever it's called.
0:47:56I said don't tell him and what did they all do?
0:47:58They immediately told him.
0:48:00Now look everyone, you know what he's gonna do if you tell him.
0:48:04Don't tell him!
0:48:05Because we just, then it's like we spend the next week arguing about pizza,
0:48:09which is like the worst argument to ever have, you know?
0:48:13There's no need to argue.
0:48:14But it's gonna get that way. It's gonna get that way eventually.
0:48:17They're all gonna start saying things to you.
0:48:20"You don't know what this is."
0:48:21"I don't know what that is."
0:48:22"Oh, what's a bagel?"
0:48:23You know what I mean?
0:48:24Look, it's fine. They're all wrong and I'm right. Done.
0:48:26See where we're going? We're already going there.
0:48:29Support for the Apple Music Voice Plan.
0:48:31A thing I always forget exists.
0:48:33I always forget about this until I read about it.
0:48:35That's the thing that exists.
0:48:37Yeah. If you use the Apple Music voice plan, please tweet at iMyke and let him know.
0:48:42I would love to know.
0:48:44Oh, we have seen, I should have mentioned, we have seen a bunch of Apple library users, by the way.
0:48:49Shout out to all the people who mentioned us on Twitter.
0:48:53I want to say, I want to say at least 30 to 40 people have reached out, saying they are real
0:49:02App Library users? Now the question is are these crisis actors hired by Apple to say that they use the App Library?
0:49:12This is a false flag operation that I've set up.
0:49:15I don't know that for sure. I continue to believe that Kate is one of the true App Library users, maybe alongside Myke.
0:49:27A real user like me.
0:49:29These other folks on Twitter I'm not sure.
0:49:32They're part of the less than 5% of bot accounts that exist on Twitter.
0:49:39What's next, Myke?
0:49:40SharePlay was added to tvOS, like it was added everywhere, but the good thing that tvOS got
0:49:45for SharePlay was enabling group workouts for Fitness Plus on separate devices, though.
0:49:50Don't be like, don't get too excited.
0:49:53So you and I could do a class together across the world?
0:49:56our own devices but the TV could be one of those devices. Okay. Steven you're doing it again.
0:50:01Highlighting yeah because you said it so I'm just gonna keep doing it. Stop it. For all of you is
0:50:08a feature. Oh yeah, John uses this maybe. For all of you. For all of you. This is for you. For this
0:50:18(laughing)
0:50:21- Now what is going on?
0:50:22We're losing threads so bad today.
0:50:24This is the issue with recording a member show
0:50:26before the radio show.
0:50:27♪ To all of you American girls in the movies ♪
0:50:30Isn't that a song?
0:50:31That's a song.
0:50:32That's a song from the OC.
0:50:33- Oh, by the way,
0:50:34we haven't even spoken about Eurovision.
0:50:37- Oh, that's right.
0:50:38Should have been in follow-up.
0:50:40- It should have been everywhere.
0:50:41Eurovision was incredible this year for a million reasons.
0:50:44It was great.
0:50:45Everybody was a winner, you know?
0:50:46Is that what your tweets were about the other night?
0:50:49'Cause it was just, it was one of those things
0:50:50like you're tweeting about a thing
0:50:52that clearly needed no context.
0:50:55You were busy with the cheese pizza, man,
0:50:57and you were not watching TV.
0:50:58Yeah, you wouldn't know.
0:50:59You got the cheese going on there.
0:51:02Yeah, I was putting some fresh basil salt
0:51:05and extra virgin olive oil on my pizza.
0:51:07(laughing)
0:51:09Like you're supposed to do.
0:51:11Just like you're supposed to.
0:51:13With definitely, definitely regular tomato sauce.
0:51:16Yeah, it was incredible. Everything was fantastic.
0:51:20It was a runaway success for everyone,
0:51:23except those that it wasn't a success for.
0:51:25But by and large, the curse is over.
0:51:29Europe has a new villain and it's not the United Kingdom.
0:51:34So, right?
0:51:36It was great.
0:51:37In what sense?
0:51:38It's great now, 'cause we're not the villains anymore.
0:51:42We're loved by all of Europe.
0:51:45and I'm happy we're back, you know?
0:51:48- Well, you know, you don't know what you got
0:51:50till it's gone.
0:51:51So after Brexit, they realized how much they needed you.
0:51:55- Well, no, 'cause there has already been one
0:51:56because the one after Brexit
0:51:58was when we got literally zero points.
0:52:01- About Brexit, I just found out.
0:52:05So there's, no, no, no, it's safe content.
0:52:08Don't worry about it.
0:52:09It's just sad.
0:52:10There's gonna be elections in Viterbo, my hometown,
0:52:14for the next mayor soon, I think like next month,
0:52:18there is a local party.
0:52:22Like, I don't know if it's like a list
0:52:23or like a proper political party.
0:52:26I just saw the signs and I was like, oh my God.
0:52:29There is a thing now, a list in Viterbo called Ital Exit.
0:52:34- Yeah.
0:52:35- As the name of the party.
0:52:38- This has been happening in a bunch of countries.
0:52:41I'm not really sure why anyone has seen
0:52:43what's happened to us and it's like I want some of that like there's been zero benefits
0:52:48to my knowledge like I don't know why anybody wants to to go into this but this is going
0:52:55to happen more and more now like cut people are going to try and do it but I don't think
0:52:58it's going to work anyway Eurovision was amazing our song was amazing Maniskin were amazing
0:53:04it was just all just superb I was having the best time everybody won yes everyone wins
0:53:11except you know for you know well they weren't in it, you know anyway for all of you. They
0:53:25said so if you use profiles on Apple TV, which is a feature that I always forget exists fuse
0:53:33profiles on Apple TV. So multiple people have in their own user accounts, their own recommendations
0:53:38and stuff. There is a "for all of you" recommendations which is something that is appropriate for
0:53:45all users based on the stuff that they're watching. Which is very cool, very smart.
0:53:49Didn't know the one true John used this, but there you go. They improved the TV controls
0:53:56in general so like the native TV player kind of got reworked and things were a bit clearer.
0:54:02They added the AirPods pop-up detection thing like "hey, there's some AirPods, you wanna
0:54:06to connect them. I don't like this feature, it annoys me because I see it pop up on my
0:54:10TV all the time and I don't like it. You can use Siri on other devices to control what's
0:54:17going on on your Apple TV.
0:54:18Wait, really?
0:54:19Wait, what?
0:54:20Mm-hmm.
0:54:21How?
0:54:22So you say like, if you're watching something, you'd be like, "Hey, pause this on the TV
0:54:27or something."
0:54:28Nah, no way. That's not a feature. No.
0:54:30By the way, this is the truly sad thing. So all of the other look backs that we've done
0:54:36The link in the show notes is to the apple.com page which has all the features for tvos. It is a support document
0:54:43Truly sad right like that is truly sad
0:54:48Let me find it and I will read this you could say it's the
0:54:52kbase article of the week play music or start watching a movie or show with Siri commands from home pod and
0:55:00iOS or iPadOS. And there's another article, which this could be the KBase article of the
0:55:05week, so you could say, "Play Ted Lasso on the TV." And it would do it. So there you
0:55:11go.
0:55:12I can't believe I missed this thing, but okay.
0:55:18Because realistically, you don't need it, right? You just pick up the remote and use
0:55:22the remote. That's why I never even think to do this. I'm just not, you know, I just
0:55:29use the remote like I'm good with that. What else do we have? HomePod mini stereo pair,
0:55:35so they added this as a feature if you have two HomePod minis you can use those as a stereo
0:55:38pair. And then also eARC, which is HDMI ARC or eARC. This basically allows you to use
0:55:49connected speakers like HomePods that are connected to an Apple TV via HDMI technology
0:55:56if you have devices that all support it, you can use them as the video output for any content
0:56:01on the television. So if you are playing your Xbox, you can use your HomePods as the speakers
0:56:07for that. That is TVOS 15.
0:56:10I mean, pretty good release, I would say. Too bad that like, I forgot about half of
0:56:16these features. Like I only remembered about the eARC and the HomeKit camera support.
0:56:21- Yeah, I mean as well, I forgot about some of them too,
0:56:25but because they're things that are features
0:56:28for things I don't use already.
0:56:30Like for example, the For All of You thing,
0:56:33I don't use profiles, I have no need for that.
0:56:36So I don't know that that feature exists,
0:56:38I would never come across it.
0:56:40Or I've never taken an Apple TV out of my home,
0:56:44so I don't need to know about the captive thing.
0:56:47But these are just good features for a,
0:56:50I think, already pretty mature platform.
0:56:52- Yeah, that's the thing, I guess.
0:56:54It's really hard to make exciting updates to tvOS now,
0:56:59because for most people--
0:57:00- It should be that way, though.
0:57:01Like, it is one of those things where it's like,
0:57:03I want it to be boring.
0:57:05Like, I don't, this is not a platform
0:57:08that I want them to redesign every two years, right?
0:57:10- No, but also, I keep thinking about the features
0:57:12you imagined in that "Wishlist" episode.
0:57:16And I'm like, there is still room for some creativity.
0:57:20No need to redesign the whole thing.
0:57:21- But I think one or two of those things
0:57:25could pop up every year for the next five years
0:57:28and that would be perfectly fine.
0:57:29- Yeah, make a tvOS grid again is what I'm saying, you know?
0:57:33- I would say it's already great.
0:57:35It's better now than it's ever been.
0:57:36And that isn't the same for all of Apple's operating systems.
0:57:39Like tvOS doesn't regress, which is good.
0:57:44They could put that on a sign.
0:57:45tvOS doesn't regress, you can put that on a sign.
0:57:47Print that one.
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0:59:32Let's take a look back now at WatchOS 8.
0:59:36You gotta wind the clock back.
0:59:38Yep.
0:59:39That was good.
0:59:40That was good.
0:59:41I didn't give you the benefit for that.
0:59:43That was a good pun.
0:59:44I enjoyed it.
0:59:45Portraits face and the world time face.
0:59:49It's so bad.
0:59:50Portraits face and world time face.
0:59:53Yeah.
0:59:53I mean, I know people like portrait photos and stuff
0:59:57and I've tried this watch face a couple of times,
1:00:00but it just looks so, it just looks so weird.
1:00:03To me, if you're gonna have photos of people
1:00:08as your watch, wallpaper, watch face thing,
1:00:13This is a nice way to do it.
1:00:16I am just not one of these people
1:00:17that would ever have a photo watch face.
1:00:20No.
1:00:20At that point, I don't know.
1:00:22For me, I don't know why I'm wearing it, you know?
1:00:26I love this review that Alex has a photo of himself
1:00:30with a slingshot for some reason.
1:00:31It's very funny.
1:00:32Gotta show off the portrait, you know?
1:00:35It's the way to do it.
1:00:36Maybe he's actually dabbing in this image
1:00:39and it's just like-- That's a good photo though.
1:00:42He's just digitally added in a slingshot to hide the embarrassment of the dabbing.
1:00:47Oh my god, I don't remember that photo. That's so good.
1:00:51Oh, I think he added these photos after as updates to the review.
1:00:56That slingshot photo is so good.
1:00:59Okay.
1:01:02The World Time Face is a face that I like but is too busy.
1:01:07That's my...
1:01:09That's what I have to say.
1:01:10Oh, that's the face I don't understand.
1:01:12Yeah, it is very complicated.
1:01:14I feel like I need a degree just to understand this watch face.
1:01:17My complaint with this now is the same as my complaint then,
1:01:22which is like, it's actually my complaint of a lot of Apple watch faces,
1:01:25where they are just replicating the way that analog watch faces work and look,
1:01:31which I don't think is necessarily the best way to interpret that
1:01:36when you have no physical constraints.
1:01:40Right, so like, world time watch faces look like this because of the physical constraints that they have.
1:01:46I think you...
1:01:48then sometimes I wonder if
1:01:51Apple's watch team are trying to reimagine any of these things or just recreate them.
1:01:58And I would argue a little bit more reimagining could happen with some of these things.
1:02:07I'm looking at the photos of the wartime face again, and I still don't know what I'm looking at.
1:02:13So there's the time in the middle, and then there's a bunch of repeating numbers.
1:02:17Like, one of the images in our story, in the bottom, like in the inner circle, it says 10, 11, 12, 12.
1:02:28So twice 12, 13, 14, 16. What's it counting?
1:02:34Do you want me to, I can try again to explain this.
1:02:36- You have tried, yes.
1:02:38Please try again. - Let me try again.
1:02:39I'm gonna try again, all right.
1:02:41- Start from, okay. - The hands.
1:02:42- So the hands.
1:02:43- In the middle.
1:02:44- Are showing me the time.
1:02:46- Showing me, showing you your time.
1:02:48- My time.
1:02:49- Do you see the arrow at the bottom?
1:02:51Right, you see that you got the ring,
1:02:52you got that little red arrow that's on a couple of them.
1:02:55- Yes.
1:02:56- Right, that is pointing to your time zone.
1:03:01So you can see here that that's either Mexico,
1:03:04it's Mexico for some reason.
1:03:05Pointing in which sense it's central time. I think it's central time
1:03:10Okay, so this yeah because Mexico City is in central time cool. So there you go
1:03:14So you see it's pointing to the number 11
1:03:18Yes, which is the current hour right because we just established that it's 11 32 or something. Yes, okay
1:03:25Okay, so that's the same
1:03:28That's the hour, right?
1:03:30The rest of the ring that goes around you see like you got the numbers that go around
1:03:35They are hours still so 11 12 they've got 12 twice of daylight savings in that point 12 13 14 15
1:03:42That's actually no 15, which is again daylight savings
1:03:4512 13 14 16 17 18 18 you see they go around, right?
1:03:50Those are the hours in the corresponding cities that are listed. So for example, can you see Rio as you go around to the right?
1:03:59Rio has 13 that means it is 1332
1:04:04two because you are looking at the extra note in the hour in that place and then
1:04:09the minutes will be whatever the minutes currently are okay it's easy for real
1:04:14because it's aligned with the dot what about New York New York is aligned with
1:04:20the 12 dot is it it's like what is in the middle of the name it's like close
1:04:25enough right what about Moscow Moscow where is it's like it's in between 20
1:04:33Yeah, Moscow is aligned with the moon for some reason.
1:04:36With the moon.
1:04:37I don't know why.
1:04:38The moon is not a number.
1:04:39Yeah, that one is unhelpful.
1:04:41I'm not really sure why there's a moon there, but let's imagine that's 19.
1:04:45Let's imagine that's seven because it's in the middle of the 18 and 20.
1:04:49You see the 18, 18 and the 12, 12, right?
1:04:52This is Apple trying to be like, "Hey, this is digital, so we can change the number arbitrarily."
1:04:57But by doing that in the old stuff, but using still all of the conventions of an analog
1:05:02you make it more complicated. It looks like a bug honestly like yeah why does
1:05:07it say 12 12? It's like it's because of daylight savings but that still makes it
1:05:11more complicated so like they're choosing places where the time zones are
1:05:14over that yeah anyway my I have a physical watch it doesn't do this the
1:05:17physical watch that I have is 1 to 24 the whole way around. What about the outer
1:05:21ring of cities like the second row of cities? They are still lining up with the
1:05:28dots so if you take a look at the dots right you see it right so like Hawaii is
1:05:34lining up with that dot right above it where there's a Sun for some reason Los
1:05:39Angeles is lining up with a 9 Denver with the 10 Mexico the 11 New York 12
1:05:43Caracas 12 3 o 13 you get it honestly just the hour yeah the minutes or
1:05:49whatever the minutes are okay thank you I'm just gonna grab my phone and look
1:05:54at a widget for time zones. You know? There you go. Yeah. You know? This is purely visual.
1:06:00I feel like I'm looking at the Rosetta Stone or something to decipher this. I'm just gonna
1:06:05look at a widget. And this is my thing, right? Like, an actual watch that does world time,
1:06:11I think is just a beautiful thing. It's an incredibly complex thing. It's like a nice
1:06:15thing to own, right? Because like, it's doing a lot, right? There is a clever piece of physical
1:06:22engineering that it can do this.
1:06:25'Cause you can set it and you can set it in different ways.
1:06:27And I just think that it's very clever,
1:06:28it's very nice engineering.
1:06:29With a digital watch, there's no engineering, right?
1:06:34Like it's just software that's doing this.
1:06:37Have the software present this information to me
1:06:40in a clearer and easier to understand way.
1:06:42That is my, this has been a terrible conversation
1:06:46because it's so visual based.
1:06:48I apologize, we will now move on.
1:06:50Multiple timers in the timers app.
1:06:52It got all the way to watch OS 8
1:06:54before we got that as a feature.
1:06:55- Ridiculous.
1:06:56I mean, this is like table stakes.
1:06:58We talked about this, about the HomePod too.
1:07:01Why would you not have this from day one?
1:07:04- The Photos app gained featured photos and memories.
1:07:09- Great.
1:07:10- I don't know who is looking at this on their watch.
1:07:12- I do it all the time.
1:07:13- Do you all sync photos to your watch?
1:07:15- I don't know.
1:07:16- I mean, it's doing something.
1:07:18I don't know why.
1:07:19I've got recent and featured outside of my country. This is just it's doing for me. Whatever the standard is. Do you?
1:07:26Know it's doing whatever look at that. I got a memory
1:07:30I open it and I've got my favorites some features and a memory of Father's Day 2010. Oh great
1:07:37I have I don't have my favorites for some reason. Are you a father in 2010?
1:07:41See what yeah. Yeah, you are. Okay. It's been a father forever man. I was born a dad really in some ways
1:07:49There you go big data energy constant a redesign of the home app on Apple watch. Yes
1:07:55It had some quicker access to some scenes
1:07:58It had that little you know those little circles that are at the top of the home app
1:08:02It had those really like it indicates things the status things and I would say some smarts
1:08:07I want to read you this text from the watch OS 8 page because I read this today and I kind of couldn't believe it
1:08:13when I read it
1:08:15When one of your smart devices is activated,
1:08:18WatchOS 8 can automatically make suggestions for others nearby.
1:08:23For instance, if someone rings your connected doorbell,
1:08:26you might see options like unlocking the door or turning on the entry lights.
1:08:29I have never seen this.
1:08:31Well, but my issue is, is can and might.
1:08:36Why? Why does it not do it 100% of the time?
1:08:40That's weird.
1:08:41Sometimes it's lazy.
1:08:43It doesn't want to.
1:08:44It's like, nah man, I'm not going to do it.
1:08:46This is a great feature, right?
1:08:48If you have a HomeKit doorbell and a HomeKit lock and someone rings your doorbell, having
1:08:53it pop up on your watch to be like, unlock the door or show me the home camera every
1:08:58single time, I think that would be really smart.
1:09:01But what I don't like is they put two qualifiers in this statement.
1:09:06WatchOS 8 can automatically make suggestions.
1:09:09If someone rings your connected doorbell, you might see options like unlocking the door.
1:09:14They're like, it can, we're not saying that it will, and it may display an option, but
1:09:21sometimes it doesn't want to.
1:09:23It might do it.
1:09:24I find that very strange.
1:09:26I don't know how reliable this is.
1:09:27I don't have whatever this might be device-wise, but I just found that text to be kind of funny.
1:09:35cards and keys in wallet to support the new features added to the wallet app a
1:09:41find my items app was added I think they split them out into my devices find
1:09:47people find items yeah you have three find apps on the watch awesome the very
1:09:53best feature added to watch OS 8 for the series 7 watch is the full QWERTY
1:09:57keyboard swipe type this is the only sure that matters I love it I love this
1:10:02This is the best feature they've done in years.
1:10:05If I am ever going to send a message on my watch, this is the only way I want to do that.
1:10:11And I send more messages from my watch now that they added this.
1:10:16Because my problem with the dictation is, if you're halfway through the message and
1:10:20it starts getting it wrong.
1:10:22What do you do then?
1:10:25Yeah.
1:10:26But with the swipe typing, I have full control.
1:10:28Every word that's wrong, I can just delete it immediately.
1:10:32I love it. The Breathe app got redesigned. It added some new animations and stuff and
1:10:38something called Mindful Minutes. So just like a mindful meditation kind of thing. Fall
1:10:44detection for workouts. And this is like a specific option which I believe is always
1:10:51on. And then fall detection is the thing that you have to opt into or is on in certain circumstances
1:10:57based on age and health of the wearer, which I think is a thing you can set up in the family
1:11:03thing you're here. Steven, they have this now. You've always had the full detection
1:11:09turned on. Yeah, I do have it turned on because you're old and clumsy because I ride my bike
1:11:14a bunch during the workout. Oh, I guess you would have always have had it on right, but
1:11:20now it would work automatically. They added better bike workout stuff. So detection for
1:11:26the type of bikes, like e-bikes and stuff like that.
1:11:28And they, you know, they, if you have Apple Watch and AirPods,
1:11:31you can use more commands just like without having to talk
1:11:34to Siri, specifically invoke Siri.
1:11:37An always on API for developers.
1:11:40I think Federico added that.
1:11:41I don't know what it means.
1:11:42- Yeah, it means that now developers can check
1:11:44if the always on watch face is enabled
1:11:46that they can tune their app UI specifically
1:11:50for the always on watch face.
1:11:52Like they can decide what gets shown or not.
1:11:56I have never ever seen this,
1:11:57but also I don't have any third-party apps on my watch.
1:12:00So, like I know that this, like I know this as a fact,
1:12:05I haven't seen it in practice.
1:12:08I'm sure that Carrot Weather has it, right?
1:12:11I'm sure like of all apps, I'm sure that Carrot Weather
1:12:14has support for the Always On watchways.
1:12:16That's not an API, I don't know anything more than this.
1:12:19I'm sorry.
1:12:20- Wait, hang on.
1:12:21- Yeah.
1:12:22- Do you say you have no third-party apps on your watch?
1:12:24I don't think I do. No.
1:12:27Wait.
1:12:28Why would I? They're useless.
1:12:30What do you mean, why would you?
1:12:31It's just--
1:12:32I have fantasti-cow, carrot weather.
1:12:33Nah, I don't need it. To-do-ist.
1:12:35Yeah, I use reminders.
1:12:36I don't have to-do-ist.
1:12:37I use reminders, I use iCal calendar.
1:12:39So you use Apple's calendar?
1:12:40When I work out, yeah, it's fine.
1:12:42It's like just a widget on the--
1:12:44I'm not criticizing you, I'm just asking.
1:12:46Like, it's perfectly okay to do it.
1:12:47I use-- Overcast.
1:12:48Like, I don't need anything else on the watch.
1:12:52Like, and sometimes these apps,
1:12:53they get installed by mistake and I just delete them.
1:12:56- Interesting.
1:12:57I have stuff on here that I don't use,
1:12:59but the ones that I mentioned,
1:13:01the ones that I use over all the time, right?
1:13:03So like Fantastic Cal and Carrot Weather
1:13:05and Timery now too.
1:13:08- Yes, I really just need my watch for notifications
1:13:11and hard stuff, you know?
1:13:13Like just for notifications, health stuff in general.
1:13:16I don't really interact with my watch.
1:13:20I just wanna see what's coming up.
1:13:21I just wanna see notifications
1:13:22and I want to make sure that it's tracking my heart
1:13:24and making sure that I'm not dying.
1:13:26Yeah.
1:13:27- Then it makes sense.
1:13:28I mean, I don't have so many notification stuff
1:13:31and then I, but I have those three apps.
1:13:32There was the complications on my, my watch face.
1:13:36I found out the, I found a complication,
1:13:37a space for a complication the other day,
1:13:40which I was very happy about.
1:13:41So I used the California face
1:13:42and I didn't know that you could put a complication
1:13:45around the watch face itself.
1:13:48Like one of the circle ones, not one of the corner ones.
1:13:50I had no idea.
1:13:51just it wasn't because I wanted to add because Timery in beta right now there's
1:13:56a they got on the watch and went to add that in there but I didn't want to get
1:13:59rid of pedometer++ but then I could put the pedometer number on the watch face
1:14:03thing. I'm gonna have to install Timery. Timery is good man. That's gonna be my first third party
1:14:11watch up I think. Yeah he's done a great job as always. Also focus modes was the thing that was added not only in
1:14:18control center but just support for them in general on the watch as part of focus
1:14:22modes being everywhere and that is watch OS 8
1:14:27pretty under rule yeah I feel like it's kind of like tvOS right it's pretty
1:14:34mature what else do you really need from your watch so it's just kind of slowed
1:14:38down over time yeah I'm really I mean Mark Gorman said a significant update
1:14:45coming for watchOS and I don't know about that.
1:14:48And new ways to interact with it.
1:14:50Fresh Apple apps.
1:14:52Fresh Apple apps and new ways to interact and a big update for watchOS.
1:14:57That's all he has so far.
1:14:59I like it when we don't...
1:15:01Like, I understand the rumors for hardware and stuff like that, I'm fine.
1:15:05Like, it doesn't bother me, like show me the next iPhone, I don't care.
1:15:08I really...
1:15:09Where I like to be surprised is WWDC.
1:15:12And I prefer it when the room was really quiet for WWDC.
1:15:16WWDC is so much more exciting than iPhone event.
1:15:20I agree with you.
1:15:21Because there is genuine surprises that can happen,
1:15:24which is just not a thing that they can do.
1:15:26And the after is even more exciting.
1:15:30That's the thing about WWDC,
1:15:31because you are surprised during the keynote
1:15:35and the surprise continues after.
1:15:38Good and bad, though, is the problem with the afterwards.
1:15:42Because you see a thing and you're like, "Oh my god, this is going to be so amazing!"
1:15:45And then you find out what it can actually do and you're like, "Oh, this surprises me,
1:15:48I thought it would be better than this!"
1:15:50It's very emotional.
1:15:51It's a very emotional time.
1:15:52It's a very dramatic event.
1:15:54Like, the drama of WWDC is the energy that sustains me for the whole summer, basically.
1:16:00Yep.
1:16:01I can't wait.
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