391: The Pleasure Stops Here


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00:00:08   Hello and welcome to Connected, episode 391.

00:00:12   It's made possible this week by our sponsors, Squarespace, Capital One, and Memberful.

00:00:18   My name is Stephen Hackett and I'm introducing my friend and co-host, Mr. Myke Hurley.

00:00:24   Ciao, Stephen. How are you?

00:00:26   Hello.

00:00:27   I have the pleasure of introducing Federico Vittucci to the show. Hello Federico.

00:00:32   Hello, it is my pleasure. So, thank you.

00:00:36   That's just where the pleasure ends. The pleasure ends with you. Okay, cool.

00:00:39   Pleasure ends with Ticci.

00:00:41   The pleasure stops here. That's what I have on my desk.

00:00:44   [Laughter]

00:00:45   Like I have a big brass plate.

00:00:47   [Laughter]

00:00:49   I've got a question for you about Honor.

00:00:52   [Laughter]

00:00:54   Honor the smartphone brand?

00:00:57   - Yes, which position in the new ordering,

00:01:01   'cause we round robin' the intros now,

00:01:03   is it the most honor to be first,

00:01:05   or is it the most honor to be last?

00:01:07   - Last. - To be last.

00:01:08   - Because first has to do most work.

00:01:10   - That's true.

00:01:11   - First has to be a corporate shill,

00:01:12   you know what I mean?

00:01:13   - Yeah.

00:01:14   - Well, I read the ads every time anyways.

00:01:17   - You'd be just like the extra, you know?

00:01:19   A person in the middle, they just do their thing,

00:01:22   but the most honor, but they still have to do some work.

00:01:26   The last person, they're like king of the day, you know?

00:01:29   Being brought in on a little cushion or something.

00:01:31   - King of the day.

00:01:32   Federico likes the sound of that.

00:01:34   - Yeah, no, and also like the last person

00:01:38   is the one that people will remember, right?

00:01:42   So that's why when you go to the movies

00:01:44   and when you exit the movie theater,

00:01:46   everybody's talking about the ending,

00:01:48   'cause the ending is what you remember.

00:01:49   It is why, I believe, what was it called?

00:01:54   I'm sure someone will correct me.

00:01:56   So you guys know, what's the English way to spell its name? Cicero? Like the ancient Roman philosopher and speech writer?

00:02:06   There's a Cicero-ian technique, which is like a public speaking technique, where essentially you want to cram your most valid points at the very beginning or at the very end.

00:02:18   like you got to leave an effect on people like that. So if we apply the

00:02:21   cesarean technique to connected, people will remember the first person in the

00:02:27   intro sure, but also and very much more strongly the last one. So yeah, basically

00:02:34   being in the middle is no fun. Okay, so the last person has the most honor, the

00:02:39   first person has the second most honor, and the person in the middle just out of

00:02:42   luck. It's the loser of the intro. The loser of the intro. Yeah, ghost middle.

00:02:48   Yeah. Well, thankfully we round robin it, so it's someone else's turn next week. If

00:02:53   the person in the middle is the most... No, you're the middle person, let's just move on, come on. Yeah, yeah, no, I'm fine with it, but like, if they are the most

00:02:59   forgettable, does it mean they can get away with the most stuff? Japery? Yeah.

00:03:04   It's hard to say. But anyway, yeah. We have some follow-up. Please. iFixit has taken

00:03:10   apart their studio display. They had a pretty cute video they put up earlier

00:03:14   today of people around their office trying to guess which was the inside of

00:03:18   the studio display and which was the inside of the 24-inch iMac. Most people

00:03:23   got it wrong because the studio display looks way more like a computer inside

00:03:26   than the iMac does. Yeah it really does like the in the image just a side by

00:03:32   side it looks like the iMac has nothing important inside. There's a bunch of

00:03:36   empty space and a bunch of just what looks like just metal plates but the

00:03:42   studio display is completely full. It is and the studio display is thicker as well

00:03:47   by a healthy margin so it's kind of fun to see that see inside of that. If I was

00:03:52   to call foul on this though like surely anyone focused on technology knows that

00:03:57   the studio display isn't blue though. That was my problem with the video but

00:04:00   then I thought well maybe these people are like I don't know sales people or

00:04:04   accountants. They work for iFixit. They should have done like stranger on the

00:04:08   street kind of thing. Yeah. Stranger iMac danger. They talk in the video, you should

00:04:13   go watch it, about all the components, how they come out. It looks like to change

00:04:17   the hinge which it's been reported that Apple will change the hinge for you if

00:04:22   you go to an Apple store and you fork over some money. It looks like the

00:04:26   process for that is taking apart the studio display so the glass is glued on

00:04:31   like it is the IMAX and then the screws that mount the hinge to the chassis are

00:04:36   on the inside so something that you know someone who is comfortable with tools

00:04:42   could definitely do but it's not as casual as say the iMac Pro was where it

00:04:48   was kind of designed for you to change out the hinge on your own with a little

00:04:53   tool set Apple gave you that was pretty crappy but at least it was not sealed

00:04:57   inside. When you're saying the hinge do you mean the stand? Yes, sorry. Like to a

00:05:01   different thing? The studio display secretly fold in half? Yeah, sorry.

00:05:08   I mean the adjustment one's kind of got a hinge, sort of. Sure, sure. Yes, to change

00:05:14   the foot. I'm sorry, thank you for clearing that up. Have you had any

00:05:17   shipping information on yours? Oh no man, it was supposed to arrive between today

00:05:22   and next week and I've yet to be charged for it. Yeah, it's not a good sign. It's not

00:05:27   looking good for me. Not looking good. I keep checking the credit card statement but nothing's

00:05:33   happening.

00:05:34   I got mine. No, just kidding.

00:05:37   You kept that one quiet. Where's your computer?

00:05:43   What do you mean? Oh, not me.

00:05:45   Stephen. No, not you.

00:05:47   So UPS said it was going to be here yesterday, but it was still in China yesterday. Now it

00:05:54   says it's coming today, but it just got to Kentucky, which is a state away, so I expect

00:05:59   to have it tomorrow.

00:06:01   Ooh!

00:06:02   Lucky you. I'm really excited about it. It's only going to take two weeks, two weeks, to

00:06:09   migrate the 16 terabytes of storage that you've got on that machine, I'm sure, you know?

00:06:14   So Kentucky is a real state?

00:06:16   It is, just north of us.

00:06:17   Like, it's not one of those movie states from America that you see, like, in TV shows and

00:06:23   are like "yeah it sounds like an American state but does it really exist?"

00:06:26   It's not like New Jersey or New York City, those places aren't real.

00:06:29   Well New York City is real. New Jersey, like from my understanding of American cinema,

00:06:35   it seems like it's mostly like a joke that like "oh you go to New Jersey" it's like is it like a

00:06:40   fictional place? I never act like, and I'm serious, I never actually understood if New Jersey is real

00:06:45   or not. So the whole thing about New Jersey, like the way the reason that people make fun of it,

00:06:50   It's like it tends to be people I think from New York that make fun of New Jersey

00:06:53   because it's like "haha you think you're New York?" you know?

00:06:56   I'm not saying anything about New Jersey.

00:06:59   So it's not like a fictional place like "oh you go to New Jersey"

00:07:02   like it's not a made up thing.

00:07:05   No it's a real state.

00:07:07   It's a real state and so it's Kentucky.

00:07:10   Yes I think the Kentucky problem is probably because of the fried chicken, you know?

00:07:15   Right, yes. It sounds like a brand but it's not like...

00:07:18   I mean it's also a brand but it's also a state. And so is Arkansas. Arkansas is definitely real.

00:07:25   Okay. I am really looking forward to the moment when Federico says the name of a state that isn't

00:07:32   real, you know? I'm just gonna let him think that it is. Like Ontario. Is Ontario a real state?

00:07:40   Oh no, it's not in America though. It's in Canada. Yeah, it's a province in Canada.

00:07:44   Okay. Okay. And the, but, but there's no, there's no,

00:07:49   so there's only North Dakota and South Dakota. There's no East Dakota, right?

00:07:54   There's not. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Cool. Cool. Just, just making sure.

00:07:59   Federico, do you remember the movie garden state?

00:08:01   That's not a state that's that's the movie with Zach Braff.

00:08:04   It is came out 2004. I'm skipping Myke in this conversation.

00:08:08   I'll come to you in a second,

00:08:09   but for Rico I feel like this movie would have really spoken to you when you saw

00:08:14   You know, you're not the first person to tell me this I really gotta watch this movie. You haven't seen it. Okay

00:08:19   No, is that the soundtrack is excellent it is very good everything I know okay, why why should I watch it because

00:08:34   Even though there's a couple years difference between us you and I have very similar feelings about music and media from this time period

00:08:42   And this movie was kind of like the pinnacle of early aughts like high school, college,

00:08:49   early adulthood angst.

00:08:51   Okay, okay.

00:08:52   It really spoke to me, because I was angsty in 2004.

00:08:56   And what about you, Myke?

00:08:58   Oh, big time.

00:08:59   I mean, come on.

00:09:00   Garden State, you kidding?

00:09:02   This is where I heard the Iron and Wine version of Such Great Heights for the first time.

00:09:06   That song changed my friggin' life.

00:09:08   Come on.

00:09:09   We will see us waving from such great heights

00:09:17   Come down now, they'll say

00:09:28   But everything looks perfect from far away

00:09:37   ♪ Come down now ♪

00:09:42   ♪ But we'll stay ♪

00:09:45   - Do you know that the Iron and Wine version of that song

00:09:50   was Mary and I's first dance at our wedding reception?

00:09:54   - I know that information, yes.

00:09:57   - It's a really good version.

00:09:58   - It's a great movie.

00:09:59   I don't think it would hold up today.

00:10:00   I haven't seen it.

00:10:01   I don't, you know, like in a long time,

00:10:03   I don't really remember it,

00:10:04   but I just feel like this was probably,

00:10:06   Like if you watch this in 2004 meant a great deal to you.

00:10:09   Otherwise I'm not sure if it hits.

00:10:11   - See, I think Federico should watch it

00:10:12   'cause he hasn't seen it,

00:10:14   but I don't wanna crack it open again for that reason.

00:10:17   - I don't wanna ruin my memories.

00:10:18   - Yeah, but I think Federico, I think it's safe to watch.

00:10:20   I think you should do it.

00:10:21   - Okay.

00:10:22   - But Federico, if you watch it and don't like it,

00:10:25   just tell us you watched it.

00:10:26   Right? - Okay.

00:10:30   - 'Cause like Steven and I do not want this memory broken.

00:10:35   So you just be like, I watched it.

00:10:36   - I watched it. - And then leave it at that.

00:10:37   - Okay, all right, I'll do that.

00:10:40   - I have some follow out for us.

00:10:42   First of all, Federico, I wanna say congratulations

00:10:44   and good job on App Stories 267.

00:10:47   Do you wanna tell us a little bit about that?

00:10:49   - Thank you, yes, we were able to have

00:10:53   this really great conversation.

00:10:55   We did an interview with Apple's Vivek Vardvaj.

00:10:58   I really suck at pronouncing names, I'm sorry.

00:11:04   But Vivek is a product manager at Apple.

00:11:08   And we talked about universal control, shortcuts, live text,

00:11:13   working on Mac OS and iPad OS.

00:11:15   Really, we talked about the state of Apple's platforms

00:11:19   in general.

00:11:21   And we were able to ask, to have this conversation, especially

00:11:24   from my perspective, about having

00:11:27   been sort of the iPad guy for years.

00:11:31   And I'm still using and loving the iPad Pro and iPad OS.

00:11:34   obviously I want more from it,

00:11:36   but also sort of re-approaching macOS with the MacBook Pro

00:11:40   and how Apple views that, you know,

00:11:42   that sort of evolution or maybe that coexistence

00:11:46   of multiple devices in the lineup.

00:11:48   And so that was cool.

00:11:50   And we were also able to ask some technical questions,

00:11:53   like very technical questions.

00:11:55   Like for example, I really wanted to know the thinking

00:11:58   behind the new notify when run toggle

00:12:02   for shortcuts automations, sort of like what was the sort of how you approached designing

00:12:08   this kind of power user feature while still maintaining security for regular people that

00:12:14   are not shortcuts power users. So that was cool. And obviously Vivek knows what he's

00:12:19   talking about and he's great at podcasts. And I wish that, you know, I kind of wanted

00:12:25   to go longer, but also, you know, there's a schedule to respect. So yeah. Thank you,

00:12:30   even for the kind words and that's a good episode. I love it when we can

00:12:34   get really technical and also talked about more sort of high-level ideas like

00:12:40   how do you see Mac OS and iPadOS so that was cool.

00:12:43   Yeah we had Vivek on MPU back when Shortcuts was introduced. Yeah, great

00:12:50   interview. He's great to talk to. I really enjoyed it so just congratulations again.

00:12:55   I would like to share my two favorite things from the episode. Okay. One, Vivek

00:13:03   and me share accent things. Right. So to my ear, Vivek has a very British sounding

00:13:10   accent. I don't know where they grew up but like there is that there's like a

00:13:14   Britishness to the their accent but they pronounce D's as T's. No T's as D's like I

00:13:20   do like water right because you're around Americans for too long and if you

00:13:23   ask for a glass of water they look at you like you're an alien that was part

00:13:27   one part two was go to doco Tuesday get some Mexican food yeah oh man I love a

00:13:33   good doco on Tuesday yeah it's just how Americans speak to my ear

00:13:39   wait no that's not that's not I saw Steve and you posting the title in the

00:13:46   Discord. That's not how you spell it. It's like this. Hold on. It's like this.

00:13:51   Don't go Tuesday. Don't go Tuesday. The second part was that he made reference to the viral

00:14:00   tweet I think of the kid that was using live text to cheat in class. I just didn't think

00:14:05   he would talk about that and I enjoyed that he did.

00:14:08   Yeah, they see these things. It was a good episode. They keep an eye on these things.

00:14:12   what's the, because that was a John question, like what's one of the live

00:14:16   text use cases that you didn't foresee? And Vivek was like, well I guess you know

00:14:21   the kid cheating in class with live text was one. That was cool.

00:14:26   It's just like I know they know, but like I didn't think he would mention that

00:14:30   specific one, you know what I mean? Like obviously he knows about it right, as

00:14:33   being like a product manager because it was like a big thing. Anyway, it's a good

00:14:37   episode, very good episode. I like Vivek, he speaks very plainly, clearly

00:14:42   and warmly. I've enjoyed them on both of those episodes that I've had them on now.

00:14:45   I also have some follow-out for Upgrade Episode 400, so congratulations.

00:14:52   I still have to listen and congratulations, Myke. It's in my queue.

00:14:55   I'm not really going to spoil it. I just want to bounce off a topic that they touched on and

00:15:00   got something wrong. And I was going to correct it in Slack, but then I thought, I can do it here.

00:15:05   Whoa, hold on a minute, hold on a minute.

00:15:10   Correcting your co-host on air for about a different show is just savage, Steven. Come on.

00:15:16   The energy that you're bringing here is like, it's like the worst kind of email we can get,

00:15:22   but this is happening directly to me. I'm like a prisoner to this email, you know?

00:15:26   Also, I helped you correct some grammar earlier today too.

00:15:30   Oh no, you know I don't like that though, right? Because it's not correcting.

00:15:33   I would have just fixed it, but I won't touch a Cortex episode. I mean,

00:15:37   it's another show, I would have done it.

00:15:38   Well no, also I've told you you're not allowed to do that. You've got to stop doing that.

00:15:42   So sometimes if Steven, I've mentioned this in the show before, if Steven,

00:15:45   it's sometimes it's just he disagrees with the way that I write something.

00:15:50   He changes it without telling me. And I find that to be unacceptable, personally.

00:15:55   Federico, what is your ruling on this?

00:15:57   My ruling on correcting friends?

00:16:00   Like, or, but like going in and changing something in our CMS to the way that he would prefer it to be written.

00:16:06   Well...

00:16:07   for my shows that he's not on.

00:16:09   Oh yeah, that's the thing.

00:16:10   So I feel like you shouldn't do the correction yourself.

00:16:15   You should send him an iMessage explaining where and why something is wrong.

00:16:20   And he did that today, which is way better.

00:16:22   So Steven, you are improving as an A star too.

00:16:24   And I did change it.

00:16:25   You did, which I appreciate.

00:16:26   But I also just wanted to state, Jason, I have nothing to do with this, right?

00:16:31   Because you know, whatever you're going to say right now, Jason's going to get mad about it.

00:16:34   That's fine.

00:16:34   I just want to excuse myself from this immediately.

00:16:36   That's fine.

00:16:37   What do they say, Steven? You have the floor.

00:16:39   Thank you, sir.

00:16:42   The one of greatest honor has let me speak.

00:16:45   The pleasure stops here.

00:16:46   I really want that on my desk now.

00:16:52   Poor Sylvia.

00:16:56   Oh, God, did you have to say that?

00:17:00   He won't keep it in, though.

00:17:01   Coward.

00:17:02   Release the mic, cut.

00:17:04   I'll keep it in.

00:17:05   I'll keep it in.

00:17:06   Okay.

00:17:07   So y'all were speaking about this idea of Apple maybe charging more for certain colors on their products

00:17:14   And Myke you did a really good job

00:17:16   You brought up the 24 inch iMac where the base models in a few colors

00:17:20   and if you want the whole range you have to get an upper tier model and

00:17:24   Jason rightly brought up the example of the white and black

00:17:28   plastic MacBooks saying that they were the same except you paid whatever it was a hundred or a hundred fifty dollars for

00:17:36   the black finish which was really cool looking like I love the way the black

00:17:41   MacBook looks but and I only know this is it a video about it so it's like

00:17:45   burned in my mind that how this worked so there were five generations of those

00:17:49   plastic MacBooks and it was always like good better best in terms of

00:17:55   specifications you know terms of CPU and RAM and hard drive space that sort of

00:17:59   thing how it always worked was the high-end white one so the middle MacBook

00:18:04   and the black one always had the same CPU and memory specs, the black one just

00:18:11   came with a bigger hard drive in addition to the the cost. Now going from

00:18:16   60 to 80 or 120 to 160, you know kind of paying on the generation, that larger

00:18:22   capacity in no way justified the cost. I think Apple just did it to help justify

00:18:29   it a little bit better, but you were paying for the color difference but you

00:18:32   did get more storage as well. So I just wanted to like, set the record straight

00:18:36   on how the MacBook worked. Because again, that's what I thought until I did all

00:18:39   this research and did this video a couple years ago. But then that got me

00:18:43   thinking, where else has Apple done this in the past? And I came up with a couple

00:18:48   of examples. They were two generations of iPod nano in particular where they did

00:18:54   this. And I remember it because I remember because these nanos were like

00:18:58   in the store for sale when I worked there. I remember people like getting mad

00:19:02   that they had to spend more to get the color they wanted, especially because

00:19:07   Apple would make the black one like a higher-end option. The black nanos I

00:19:11   think always looked cool. I think people liked them. So the second generation,

00:19:15   there was a two gigabyte entry level. It was only available in silver and it was

00:19:21   $149. And then the four gigabyte was silver, green, blue, pink, and red, the

00:19:27   product red color. That was $1.99, so 50 bucks more. But if you wanted the

00:19:33   8GB, which I don't remember 8GB on an iPod Nano, it felt, to me at least,

00:19:38   something so small with that much storage felt impossible at the time.

00:19:42   That one was $249 and only came in black or product red. So the pricing and the

00:19:50   colors being like all tied together with the capacity is definitely something

00:19:54   Apple did. They did the next generation to a little bit simpler of a model. But I

00:20:00   think the crowning achievement of Apple charging more for basically just a color

00:20:08   or finish. At first I thought it was the stainless steel third-generation iPod

00:20:14   shuffle. Do you remember that? It was the buttonless iPod shuffle that no one liked.

00:20:18   - Oh, the one that just did Siri or voice control.

00:20:21   - Voice control.

00:20:22   And it was two gigabytes for $59, four gigabytes for $79

00:20:27   or four gigabytes stainless steel for $99.

00:20:32   Literally you're paying $20 more

00:20:34   for the stainless steel finish.

00:20:36   But then I remembered the most egregious example of this.

00:20:39   I'm gonna say three words, gold, Apple watch.

00:20:43   - Oh, okay.

00:20:44   - Right?

00:20:45   Just finish material.

00:20:48   And it's a little bit different because right,

00:20:49   anodizing an iPod Nano doesn't cost

00:20:52   tens of thousands of dollars, like a gold Apple Watch,

00:20:55   but it's what I kind of wanted to explore this idea

00:20:57   of where Apple has charged differently

00:21:00   for different colors or finishes or materials.

00:21:03   - I think this is all great, all very valid.

00:21:06   I think the point that I would like to make

00:21:08   in Counterpoint as a friend of the hosts of Upgrade

00:21:11   is that the point that we originally made

00:21:15   was that they haven't yet charged for colors.

00:21:20   And the feedback that we got was an example of this,

00:21:23   but it's also tied to configurations,

00:21:26   like what you've mentioned.

00:21:27   - Right, yeah.

00:21:28   - So you have pointed out definitely more examples

00:21:31   of this happening, good examples.

00:21:33   I think that this is all feeding back to two episodes ago

00:21:36   where we were saying that like the idea of them

00:21:39   just charging more money for color for the sake of it.

00:21:42   but I could see them doing with these laptops,

00:21:45   another example of what you've mentioned here

00:21:47   of like certain colors are only available on certain specs,

00:21:51   but those specs cost more on common law stuff.

00:21:54   - I mean, really it started out as just wanting to like

00:21:56   clear the page on the white and black MacBooks.

00:21:59   And then I just got curious about

00:22:00   how this has worked in the past.

00:22:02   - The Apple watch one is interesting, right?

00:22:04   I mean, you're right.

00:22:05   Like they're different materials, so they're different,

00:22:07   but you don't- - Right.

00:22:08   It costs more to make a gold one than an aluminum one,

00:22:11   but not $17,000.

00:22:13   - Or even a titanium one to an aluminum one.

00:22:16   - Yeah.

00:22:17   - Like I just said aluminum.

00:22:18   Ugh.

00:22:19   - Wow.

00:22:20   - Ugh.

00:22:20   - Ugh.

00:22:21   - Well, it's, you know.

00:22:22   - Keep my language out of your mouth.

00:22:24   - I would love to.

00:22:25   - Aluminum.

00:22:26   Aluminum.

00:22:27   - Aluminum.

00:22:28   - Aluminum.

00:22:29   - Titanium.

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00:24:20   supporting connected and all of Relay FM. So you going to the WWDC? I'm going, I'm going.

00:24:27   He's going! Oh no. I'm going to the worldwide Daco conference.

00:24:32   So we, a lot of people had assumed that we would have known about the date for WWDC by now.

00:24:44   Historically, one would have assumed by the end of March, we'd know. That has been the typical,

00:24:52   it's been a typical before Covid, it's been the typical during Covid, that they have announced

00:24:57   the WWDC dates for June sometime in March.

00:25:01   It is 30th of March today.

00:25:03   It is yet to occur.

00:25:04   Maybe by the time you're hearing this, they've done it,

00:25:06   but they haven't done it yet.

00:25:08   Apple feel like they've been tricking us,

00:25:10   the people that do pay attention to these things,

00:25:12   'cause they keep putting out press releases,

00:25:14   but none of them have the WWDC dates in them.

00:25:17   - I don't know, I've been thinking about this

00:25:18   and I feel like it's the third year

00:25:21   that this is gonna be an online event, right?

00:25:25   Is there really any pressure to pre-announce it in March?

00:25:30   - No. - I mean, right?

00:25:33   You could just even announce it in early May

00:25:37   and it wouldn't matter

00:25:39   because people will pay attention anyway.

00:25:41   - The only reason, I was thinking about this too, right?

00:25:44   And the only reason I came down and this is like,

00:25:46   it's a community event, right?

00:25:48   By and large. - Yeah.

00:25:50   - That means you have to pay attention to the community,

00:25:52   right?

00:25:53   Community is expecting to know now based on every other year.

00:25:59   So if you're paying attention to the community, at some point,

00:26:04   you've got to tell them.

00:26:05   Even if--

00:26:06   At some point.

00:26:07   Right?

00:26:07   Even if maybe they're going to do it later.

00:26:09   Maybe they're going to do it.

00:26:10   It's all different.

00:26:11   But it's like, at some point-- like in the last two years,

00:26:14   there was no need--

00:26:15   well, maybe 2020.

00:26:16   2021, there was no need to tell us in March either, right?

00:26:19   For the same reasons.

00:26:20   So you'd kind of expect it at some point.

00:26:22   As Kate's pointed out in the Discord,

00:26:24   if they're doing a student contest,

00:26:25   they've got to give some time for that, right?

00:26:27   Because you've got to come up with the idea.

00:26:29   - Really, that's the best reason.

00:26:31   Like that's the best argument, I think.

00:26:33   If you want to have a student contest,

00:26:34   you've got to give them time to build the project

00:26:35   and submit the project.

00:26:37   So yeah, yeah, I could see that.

00:26:39   - What do you think, Steven?

00:26:40   - Yeah, I think there's definitely no pressure

00:26:42   to rush it out the door.

00:26:44   We're all expecting it.

00:26:45   You know, I see why they did that in '21.

00:26:47   Maybe they thought, you know, people thought,

00:26:50   I certainly thought that we were closer

00:26:52   the end of it then than we ended up being. But... Don't you feel that way now though?

00:26:56   Like doesn't it feel the same? Yeah, but I don't want to say it out loud, you know? Because

00:27:00   like in other parts of the world it's very much not under control. I mean every part

00:27:03   of the world like it's not it's you know it anyway it's not getting to this but like it's

00:27:08   you know I don't know how different it really feels than this time last year. The week of

00:27:13   June 6th I believe is the first full week of June. That feels like a lock to me. June

00:27:18   does the weird thing where it's split this year where the first is a Wednesday

00:27:22   so June 6th through 10th would be the first full week that falls. Where'd they like to

00:27:26   have it? They'd like to have it the first half of June and you know that's it's

00:27:32   coming up pretty quick it's really not that far away. I do I didn't talk about

00:27:37   it I mean I think all three of us believe it will be virtual in terms of

00:27:41   attendees. There's been talk of maybe Apple having press out for the keynote

00:27:46   and that being streamed live with you know select press in the room or maybe

00:27:51   outside in the in the cool rainbow stage area in the central ring of Apple Park

00:27:59   but if that's the case like I think it's at most what they would do as that's

00:28:05   kind of what Google is doing with IO right they're doing a little event in

00:28:09   person with very few people in the audience maybe that's the way to like

00:28:14   dip your toe back in the water with this. Yeah, I think Google's doing employees

00:28:18   though. Yeah, yeah, not press. So the Apple could do this too, right? Of like, so you

00:28:23   can kind of start to get that back because maybe WWDC there isn't much use

00:28:27   in having press there, like if you've not got like hardware to show them, why

00:28:33   invite them? Yeah, yeah, and if it's smaller then you can like focus on the

00:28:39   press who would really cover the software stories, I guess. True. And you

00:28:43   know different than the iPhone event which is like you just got to get as

00:28:46   many people in there as possible. I think Google's going back to the show on

00:28:50   Ampathy too where they did it pre-COVID. I like that I haven't been there but I

00:28:55   like the way that looks on their streams. Wasn't there that first year where everyone got sunburn?

00:28:59   Yes.

00:29:01   (laughing)

00:29:02   - Oh man.

00:29:03   Just like, think ahead man, you know?

00:29:10   Like, oh, we're gonna have everyone sit down,

00:29:12   sit outside at noon.

00:29:14   - Great.

00:29:15   - Let's go for it.

00:29:17   - James said, just fill the theater with Apple employees.

00:29:19   I mean, Apple is pushing the people to get back, so.

00:29:22   - I mean, so that could be it, right?

00:29:24   Like that could be a way to do it.

00:29:25   People will back them in there and start to like introduce,

00:29:30   'cause I think it's like gonna be hybrid, right?

00:29:32   Like they're still gonna, I reckon,

00:29:34   cut away to way more video stuff than they used to

00:29:36   just 'cause it looks so good.

00:29:38   And I can imagine that the people

00:29:41   that put together these things really like the amount

00:29:43   that they can control the message

00:29:47   and the way everything looks and sounds and feels

00:29:49   by having it editable and not live.

00:29:53   So we'll see.

00:29:55   I mean, I reckon there's gonna be always an element

00:29:57   of like mixing that stuff up

00:30:00   where like maybe Tim's live and demo's alive,

00:30:03   but everything else is video.

00:30:06   - We'll see.

00:30:07   It's just very interesting to consider the future of it

00:30:08   and hopefully know when it is sooner rather than later.

00:30:12   I also want to talk about the new version of Overcast

00:30:15   that came out last week.

00:30:17   Version, he does like the year release, so it's 2022.2.

00:30:22   Other version numbers.

00:30:23   - Yeah, still, I'm sorry, Marco,

00:30:25   but it still looks horrible.

00:30:26   I am extremely against this naming mechanism.

00:30:31   I understand why some developers like it.

00:30:33   It sounds, I don't know, I struggle to associate features

00:30:39   with this versioning numbering system.

00:30:42   So just me as an app reviewer speaking here.

00:30:47   Anyway, go use your versioning scheme you prefer,

00:30:51   but hey, I don't like it.

00:30:53   Anyway, yes, Steven, you had the floor again.

00:30:57   - Thank you.

00:30:57   So this is what Marco is calling phase one

00:31:01   of a wider redesign of Overcast.

00:31:04   So the focus here was,

00:31:07   it seemed like some around some of the colors

00:31:08   and typography.

00:31:10   You can now set custom colors for your light and dark theme.

00:31:12   So I'm using the dark theme with orange,

00:31:14   which looks really good.

00:31:16   And Playlist got a big overhaul.

00:31:20   So immediately, visually, they're different.

00:31:23   They're these nice rounded color sections,

00:31:26   and you can customize, of course, the name,

00:31:28   but also the icon.

00:31:29   So there's a bunch of SF symbols to choose from.

00:31:32   Now, which I really liked the customization.

00:31:34   It makes me wish for this wide of customization

00:31:36   and things like shortcuts or reminders.

00:31:38   I was like, just load in SF symbols

00:31:40   and let me pick from 10,000 things.

00:31:42   I think it looks really great.

00:31:44   The playlist stuff, I don't use playlists a lot,

00:31:47   but he has changed and added some functionality

00:31:50   to how you can set up a playlist.

00:31:53   So some of those criteria have been tweaked.

00:31:56   And overall, I think it looks really good.

00:31:58   And I'm excited about what comes next

00:32:01   because this has made other parts of the app feel

00:32:05   pretty old, especially the playing screen,

00:32:07   which I know he's gonna, he's talked about on Under the Radar

00:32:10   that being a really big part of this redesign.

00:32:12   He's not there yet, but I think it definitely brings

00:32:16   a breath of fresh air to this UI,

00:32:18   which honestly really needed it.

00:32:19   Yeah, it's really nice. I really like the use of colors and I really like the new layout,

00:32:28   especially in the first half of the main screen with the playlists and the recent section.

00:32:34   There's a couple of things that I would like to see tweaked personally. I really would

00:32:38   prefer to have more details in the recent scrolling tray, because right now it just

00:32:44   shows me like this horizontal row of podcast episodes, but it only shows the artwork. It

00:32:51   doesn't show the title of the episode. So, I don't know, I find it very confusing because

00:32:57   I would like to confirm which episode it is, and I know that I can long press on those

00:33:02   thumbnails to get more details, but that's one extra interaction that I would prefer

00:33:06   to avoid if possible. And also, I am maybe in the minority here, but I find the

00:33:13   what's it called? Unplayed, active and archive organization kind of confusing.

00:33:20   I don't really understand what the difference between unplayed and active is, because

00:33:26   both of them have orange dots next to them. - Right. Well, this is that issue with the archive and

00:33:32   active thing, right? And the archive is just empty for me, so why is it there?

00:33:38   Why can I not turn it off? I don't really understand. I'm played, I guess

00:33:44   it's unplayed episodes and they have orange dots, which okay, makes sense, but

00:33:48   then I go to active and I see the same shows and they also have orange dots. So

00:33:53   it seems like to me, unplayed and active are like the same screen and archive is

00:33:59   just there within space. Yeah it's complicated I mean but like I understand

00:34:04   some of why it's there but like it does get into a thing that I have a problem

00:34:08   with which Stephen wrote about and I've mentioned the show before I have a

00:34:11   problem with all podcast apps that do this that say that a show is not active

00:34:17   anymore or predicts the frequency of an episode release date like I just don't

00:34:22   like that stuff I think that those decisions should be left to the person

00:34:25   that makes a show, not an algorithm.

00:34:28   'Cause I don't know, I don't like someone saying

00:34:31   what my show is, you know?

00:34:33   Like for example, we have for feed here

00:34:34   at Relay I think with departures,

00:34:36   that is very much an active feed,

00:34:38   but we'll only get something when we have a live show.

00:34:40   So it's not inactive.

00:34:44   And overall, I like the design changes so far.

00:34:47   I mean, for me, the thing that I've liked the most

00:34:49   is the iconography change, just like in general.

00:34:54   I think there's a lot more SF symbols

00:34:57   just throughout the app, right?

00:34:59   And I like the way, that looks really fresh.

00:35:01   Like, so I like all of that stuff

00:35:03   and I like the way that playlists look at that now.

00:35:06   The recent thing I think I might be

00:35:08   in the same camp as you Federico.

00:35:09   I like the way it looks,

00:35:11   but I don't think I've ever used it.

00:35:13   So like for me, years ago,

00:35:17   we're at WWDC,

00:35:20   Steven noticed the thing that me and Federico were doing,

00:35:23   that we would get a notification on an Apple Watch

00:35:26   and take our phone out of our pocket.

00:35:29   Right?

00:35:30   You'd feel the thing happen on your Apple Watch

00:35:32   and you'd take your phone out of your pocket to do the thing.

00:35:35   That's how I feel about this recent thing.

00:35:36   It's like, oh, there's a podcast that's new.

00:35:38   Let me go to my all episode playlist

00:35:40   and take it into my queue playlist.

00:35:42   You know what I mean?

00:35:43   I'm not actually interacting with that part of the UI at all.

00:35:46   It's just like a notifications thing for me.

00:35:49   But overall, the app looks way more modern now,

00:35:52   which is awesome and it looks like it just,

00:35:56   it kind of feels like it fits within its market more,

00:36:00   where like I feel like maybe for a while it's like,

00:36:03   this is our app, you know, like the podcast nerds.

00:36:06   Like, and it's not saying it's not that anymore,

00:36:08   but it has more of like a, I don't know,

00:36:10   it feels like more of a design,

00:36:12   which is for a larger audience,

00:36:14   which I think is probably the right thing to do.

00:36:16   - I turned off the recent thing.

00:36:18   - I just, I find myself basically scrolling past it.

00:36:23   - Oh, you can turn it off?

00:36:25   - Yeah, it's in the playlist menu at the top of that screen.

00:36:30   There's, you can actually turn on some like suggested

00:36:33   or pre-made.

00:36:35   - Oh, I see.

00:36:36   - And there's an option to turn on or off

00:36:38   the recent section.

00:36:40   Except I think it looks nice.

00:36:41   I just don't need the functionality, but.

00:36:43   - It looks nice though.

00:36:45   - It does.

00:36:46   Yeah, all in all, I'm really impressed

00:36:48   where it's come and I'm excited to see what he brings to it next. This episode

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00:38:12   Google Docs is getting markdown support natively. This is obviously only on the

00:38:20   web because why update the applications? Google Docs had already supported like

00:38:27   bullets like if you would type in asterisk and put and then space it would

00:38:30   immediately turn it into a bullet. Lots and lots of apps do this right like

00:38:34   whether they support markdown or not, like it's just become like a thing. But Google

00:38:38   Docs will now automatically convert other styling choices like headings, bold, italicizing.

00:38:46   I think Steven is in our document right now or Federico like checking that links work

00:38:50   and they work too, which is good. It's automatically done once you turn on the setting. What are

00:38:57   the two of you think about that? Like it doesn't, it doesn't like do any syntax highlighting,

00:39:03   Right? Like it just changes what you type in.

00:39:07   I'm kind of torn on this because I like apps like One Writer or like Obsidian does this

00:39:13   where your plain text picks up some formatting based on the markdown that's around it.

00:39:18   I know some people really don't like that and would prefer just to see it all the same

00:39:23   and okay I don't need my H1 to be bigger.

00:39:25   I see that because there's a single pound sign next to it that it's an H1.

00:39:30   So I'm kind of torn on it.

00:39:31   I also don't have the option yet because Google--

00:39:34   - Just Federico does that with the three of us

00:39:35   and he can do things in our document,

00:39:37   but we can't do them.

00:39:38   - Google says it can take longer than 15 days.

00:39:42   It's cool though.

00:39:43   I mean, a lot of people, including maybe all three of us,

00:39:47   like we just write in markdown all the time

00:39:49   to the point where I actually use markdown

00:39:51   in like my handwritten field notes notebook.

00:39:54   If I'm like making headers and notes or whatever,

00:39:56   I will use markdown for that

00:39:58   just 'cause I can visually parse it.

00:40:00   is this cool? This is like maybe one of the more mainstream places Markdown has shown

00:40:06   up. I think it's correct that it should be off by default because most people obviously

00:40:10   don't know what Markdown is. This is just for those of us who do. And so we can go in

00:40:15   and find it and turn it on. I've got no problems with the preference being set the way that

00:40:20   it is.

00:40:21   I was thinking about this. What is the thing that people would bump up against? And I guess

00:40:25   it's the use of the pound sign, right?

00:40:29   I actually thought about the asterisks because people type, I mean one of the reasons they're

00:40:33   used that way is because people may use asterisks or underscores to emphasize a word in plain

00:40:40   text and then they actually stumble into why is it being italicized or bolded.

00:40:44   Maybe they don't understand that.

00:40:45   I feel, do people do that that don't know what it is for though?

00:40:50   I don't know.

00:40:51   You know?

00:40:52   I don't know.

00:40:53   Like I feel like that might be like, "Oh, I wanted it to be in italic," you know, I

00:40:56   don't know.

00:40:57   if you would type in like pound something it like a hashtag it would turn it into a heading

00:41:02   potentially well hopefully it requires the space after it who knows i mean i've used apps that don't

00:41:08   try and tag things yeah and that's the problem like we don't know the exact details of which

00:41:13   flavor or markdown this is um you know and there's a lot of apps like uh slack for instance is the

00:41:20   the worst offender where they almost support markdown but like the asterisks

00:41:26   and underscores do different things and they should be the same according to the

00:41:30   official like groupers markdown resource guides but I think it's cool I'm looking

00:41:36   forward to turning it on something I will definitely turn on and use it's

00:41:40   just you know whatever it shows up I'll check the box you've mentioned slack so

00:41:45   I'd like to air a grievance.

00:41:47   - Please.

00:41:49   - It's just the emoji thing again.

00:41:50   - Yeah, they're like two releases behind now or three.

00:41:54   - Yep, but that was sort of my,

00:41:56   I use the app Rocket on the Mac.

00:41:58   They haven't added the new emoji either.

00:42:01   What is it with applications that are all about emoji?

00:42:05   - It's only masquerade.

00:42:07   Masquerade's leading the way.

00:42:08   - Well, it's 'cause Casey did the smart thing

00:42:11   where like it's just pulling the emoji.

00:42:14   So like he can, it doesn't, he doesn't have to do anything.

00:42:16   Like he doesn't need to like update the application

00:42:20   like in any way, like it just works.

00:42:22   Like Casey did it the smart way, but like that,

00:42:24   you know what app I'm talking about, right?

00:42:26   Like the Rocket Emoji Searching app,

00:42:28   like they haven't added a new emoji.

00:42:29   And I'm like, what are you doing, man?

00:42:31   This is your whole thing.

00:42:32   Like this is the thing, this is what you do.

00:42:35   Like it's the same with Slack.

00:42:36   Like I don't get it.

00:42:38   Like if you build your whole,

00:42:39   like so much of Slack's corporate identity

00:42:42   is built around emoji,

00:42:43   but there are two emoji releases behind now

00:42:46   where they don't support it in the searching

00:42:48   and also like some emoji small in the app and some are big.

00:42:52   Like, what are you doing, man?

00:42:53   What is this?

00:42:55   I don't get it.

00:42:56   My grooms has been aired.

00:42:57   - Can I go back to Google Docs and mark down real quick?

00:43:01   So a couple of thoughts here.

00:43:04   I think it's the right choice to keep it off by default.

00:43:08   In terms of the implementation, I mean,

00:43:10   I've already found, you know,

00:43:11   few things that are not working, and that's fine. But you can see that it's still like

00:43:19   a mode that has been bolted onto a pre-existing system, meaning if you enter some markdown,

00:43:29   and it reformats on the fly, when you go back and delete a few characters, you are still

00:43:37   in the same rich text formatting mode,

00:43:41   meaning if you are on a new line and you enter double asterisk,

00:43:45   because you want to make a word bold,

00:43:47   and then you back out and delete those characters,

00:43:50   the editor is still switched to bold formatting,

00:43:55   which is that sort of like WYSIWYG mentality.

00:43:59   It's sort of against the spirit of Markdown,

00:44:01   which is you see the formatting,

00:44:04   and if you delete the characters,

00:44:05   you also delete the formatting.

00:44:07   Like, I recently reread John Gruber's introduction

00:44:10   of Markdown from many, many, many years ago.

00:44:13   Such a great piece of, like, a plain English explanation

00:44:18   of a very technical thing.

00:44:19   And one of the driving principles behind it

00:44:22   was to be the opposite of WYSIWYG editors,

00:44:25   where sometimes, even though you deleted the syntax,

00:44:30   the editor is still switched to a particular formatting mode.

00:44:34   And you can see this in the Markdown implementation

00:44:36   of Google Docs. Which, again, not surprising because this is an old thing that are trying

00:44:42   to add more options to it. The second thing that I want to say is, I mean, unsurprisingly,

00:44:49   I think the best implementation of this kind of "it's markdown but it's also visually

00:44:55   previewed so you don't see the syntax", the best one is the live preview mode in Obsidian.

00:45:02   recently shipped this major update to the engine behind its editor, and now

00:45:10   this mode, called Live Preview, is on by default for all Obsidian users. And if

00:45:15   you want, you can go back to the Legacy Editor, but that has been deprecated and

00:45:19   it'll go away eventually. And the way Obsidian does this, I think, is the best

00:45:23   balance, the best compromise that I've seen to date, which is, you can type

00:45:27   markdown and the text formats as you go. However, if you then place the cursor in any point

00:45:36   of the editor where formatting is taking place, you see it goes back to showing you the plain

00:45:43   text syntax. So for example, right now I'm looking at a note, and the note has a link,

00:45:49   a link to a web page, and that's an underlined, you know, rich text link. However, if I place

00:45:55   the cursor next to it, it turns into the plaintext Markdown. So it lets me see the Markdown syntax

00:46:02   if I place my cursor on the same line. And this, I think, is the best compromise, because I am very

00:46:09   picky about my Markdown, and I'm very picky about my syntax. And I've always resisted the idea of

00:46:16   these editors trying to be too fancy about it, being like "But what if you wouldn't have to see

00:46:23   see the Markdown syntax, which kind of defeats the point, because that's the point of Markdown.

00:46:28   It's supposed to be readable, it's supposed to be intuitive, and to give you full control

00:46:32   over formatting. But this way, in Obsidian, I do see nicely assembled documents in preview

00:46:42   mode. However, I still retain control of the editor if I place a cursor on a line of text

00:46:47   that has Markdown.

00:46:48   So, just wanted to say that that sort of is my baseline now, the Obsidian Live Preview

00:46:54   mode is my baseline for all these kinds of markdown, but also rich preview implementations.

00:47:00   Why not both, you know?

00:47:02   Just make your own text editor.

00:47:04   Teach you text.

00:47:05   Well, you talk about it, but at some point I will.

00:47:09   Could I suggest Electron?

00:47:10   Once I'm done with all these things I'm doing, I mean, it's an obvious next step for me,

00:47:15   right?

00:47:16   topic, a friend of the show and now Twitter famous person, Ming-Chi Kuo, has

00:47:24   predicted that the under screen, under screen, fingerprint reader,

00:47:32   that's really hard to say, that that was maybe on board for 2023 but now he

00:47:41   thinks that it's unlikely to happen, that maybe Apple has just decided not to

00:47:45   to pursue this. This is a quote I previously predicted iPhones would support under display

00:47:51   fingerprint sensing slash touch ID in 2023 at the earliest, but the latest survey indicates that new

00:47:57   iPhones in 23 and 24 may not adopt under display touch ID. Face ID with a mask on iPhone is already

00:48:05   a great biometrics solution. What do y'all think?

00:48:08   I think since 15.4 I don't want it anymore. I don't feel like I need touch ID anymore.

00:48:18   Like the mask face idea of a mask has taken me back to like my previous feelings about

00:48:28   face ID of being better than touch ID in every single possible way. I don't feel like I want

00:48:34   it anymore. Like where if you would have asked me six months ago, I very much wanted Touch

00:48:40   ID to return to the iPhone, but now I can take it or leave it. Like because under screen,

00:48:46   you know, it's not, it still requires this like, it has to be in a specific place, even

00:48:51   if it's like a large area, it's still a specific place, which is just like, I don't want to

00:48:55   be so intentional about it. Like I prefer Face ID, especially again now where I can

00:49:00   go back to being way less intentional about how I'm unlocking my phone. So yeah, I think

00:49:06   that they've honestly solved the situation again for me. Like I don't feel like I require

00:49:11   Touch ID and maybe that's like, you know, as Min-Chi Kuo said, like Face ID of a mask

00:49:17   on iPhone is already a great biometric solution. Like maybe that's where Apple's come back

00:49:21   to again. Like, you know what, we've got Face ID back to where we want it to be.

00:49:26   I agree with Myke, and I also think, why do they have to be so clever about this?

00:49:31   Just make the side button a Touch ID button and have both Face ID and Touch ID.

00:49:39   It feels to me like this is a case of Apple trying to be too clever about something that

00:49:43   is under their nose already because they have this feature on the iPad Air and the iPad

00:49:49   Mini, just turn the existing side button into one of those existing Touch ID buttons and

00:49:58   have both, again, why not both, have both Face ID and Touch ID on the iPhone, just repurpose

00:50:04   the existing button that you already have. I'm not sure about the button though. Why?

00:50:09   Look, I tell you why, I tell you why for being on the iPhone. I don't unlock my iPhone by

00:50:13   pressing the button, you know? Right, because you don't have to, but what if you wanted

00:50:17   to. Like Sylvia, for example, hates Face ID. She just hates Face ID. Given the option,

00:50:24   she would use Touch ID instead.

00:50:26   Do you know why she doesn't like it?

00:50:28   Because she says that sometimes she's wearing sunglasses and it doesn't work with her sunglasses.

00:50:33   That kind of stuff. And she always found Touch ID more reliable. She's not switching to anything

00:50:40   else obviously, but she's like, "Yeah, Face ID used to be better years ago." And I understand

00:50:46   that point of view. So given the option, let people choose, you know.

00:50:50   Make it go back to like, as you say, a choice thing, not necessarily making the most convenient, right?

00:50:56   Because you'd imagine that they were like, oh, what they really want to do is when you do that swipe up on the home screen, right?

00:51:03   It's scanning your fingerprint and then whichever one gets to first, the fingerprint or the face, then you're good.

00:51:08   You're unlocked.

00:51:08   Sure.

00:51:09   Which is probably why they wanted to put it in the screen, right?

00:51:11   So like train everyone to keep using the same swipe area.

00:51:15   If it can't get the face, maybe it gets the finger,

00:51:18   but I get what you mean.

00:51:20   Like just give it as a choice.

00:51:23   I don't know, Steven, what do you think?

00:51:24   - I think a choice would be nice.

00:51:26   I mean, I get the fact that the behavior

00:51:29   we've all learned now is that you just have to tap the screen

00:51:31   and look at it or raise your phone and look at it.

00:51:34   And we've definitely all moved away

00:51:36   from using the sleep wake button

00:51:39   to actually wake up our phones.

00:51:40   But we could all adjust again.

00:51:43   And I think it'd be nice to have options

00:51:45   because for some people,

00:51:47   one works way better than the other.

00:51:50   And your needs change over time.

00:51:51   I just think about, you know,

00:51:53   yeah, you're maybe wearing sunglasses in the summer

00:51:56   that don't work, but maybe in the winter

00:51:57   you're wearing gloves that aren't touch sensitive, right?

00:51:59   Like, I just don't see the harm in putting both in,

00:52:04   especially if the technology already exists.

00:52:07   Now, yes, the button is bigger on the iPads

00:52:08   than it is on the phone,

00:52:10   but they can continue to work on that.

00:52:12   I don't know, I'd like to see it

00:52:14   because I think just having more options would be nice.

00:52:18   And I wonder if Apple would do something where,

00:52:20   yeah, you can use either one to authenticate

00:52:24   in a password manager.

00:52:26   But what if I could set it up where it required both?

00:52:28   I needed to touch and look and--

00:52:30   - Oh, two-factor.

00:52:32   - Yeah, I mean, it's not really two-factor

00:52:34   'cause it's still just one body, but--

00:52:36   - Well, I mean, I guess it depends

00:52:38   on how you set it up, right?

00:52:39   - Yeah, I have to look at it,

00:52:40   my wife has to touch the Touch ID,

00:52:42   and then I can move money out of the bank account

00:52:44   for a new computer.

00:52:44   - Yeah, that's great, I love it.

00:52:46   - Have I told you guys about the one little trick

00:52:49   that changed my life?

00:52:50   - Oh, we're getting one of these viral tweets here?

00:52:52   Are you viral to in the show?

00:52:54   - Yes, yes, yes.

00:52:55   - Did you know you can drag with two fingers

00:52:56   and select multiple things?

00:52:58   - Yeah, well, have you read my iOS reviews?

00:53:01   I should be like Casey, you know,

00:53:02   I can't believe you haven't read my blog.

00:53:04   - You should reply to every single one of those tweets

00:53:07   be like, did you say you didn't read my eyes? It's like you never read my reviews. Honestly,

00:53:13   I really feel like I could have a very lucrative side career as a clickbait headline writer.

00:53:21   But anyway, I'm not doing that. So did I tell you guys or did I tell Jon? I don't remember.

00:53:29   Anyway, I disabled race to wake. Okay. No, sorry. I disabled tap to wake on my iPhone.

00:53:37   So I'm just unlocking the iPhone by pressing the side button now or by raising the iPhone.

00:53:42   But I disabled touching the screen to wake the phone because it was driving me.

00:53:48   It was so annoying that, and it's something that has been building up over the past couple

00:53:54   of years all the time, I would continuously, continuously, accidentally unlock my phone

00:54:01   or do something on my iPhone's lock screen without me knowing.

00:54:07   I guess this happens because something I realized about myself, I fiddle with my iPhone when

00:54:14   it's in my pocket a lot.

00:54:16   I don't know why I do this.

00:54:17   Apparently, I can't stop doing this.

00:54:21   So I just needed to face this reality.

00:54:25   I touch my phone when it's in my pocket a lot, just randomly.

00:54:31   Like I fiddle with it, like a fidget toy or something.

00:54:33   I don't know why I do it.

00:54:35   So I would find my phone, like, either with the flashlight on, with the camera unlocked,

00:54:42   it would start burning up in my pocket, right, which is uncomfortable.

00:54:47   Another instance, sometimes, when I'm walking the dogs at night, for example, and the street

00:54:54   lamp is broken or something, and I have to use my iPhone's flashlight, right, so I'm

00:54:58   walking the dogs and I'm holding the iPhone with the flashlight on, right, because I need

00:55:03   to have some light, and I'm holding the phone with the screen turned off. But because of

00:55:09   those accidental touches, so the palm of my hand is touching the phone, and it would continuously

00:55:16   turn off the flashlight, leaving me and the dogs in the dark. And so, a couple of weeks

00:55:22   ago I was like, you know, enough with this tap-to-wake stuff. I'm just going back to

00:55:27   waking the phone by either picking up my iPhone or touching or pressing the side button. And

00:55:33   and it honestly changed my life.

00:55:34   I've been a happy man ever since,

00:55:36   like really, really happy with my iPhone,

00:55:38   that it doesn't, that I don't accidentally touch

00:55:42   and therefore wake and do stuff anymore.

00:55:45   - Okay, I mean, I could imagine removing raise to wake

00:55:49   would be much more of a thing you would notice.

00:55:53   - Yeah, no, raise to wake is amazing.

00:55:55   Tap to wake, I still have it on the iPad, of course,

00:55:59   because the iPad is not like I'm walking around

00:56:01   than just holding the iPad.

00:56:03   Also--

00:56:04   - Does the iPad even have raised to wake?

00:56:06   - I think they do.

00:56:07   I think they do.

00:56:08   No, not raised to wake, tapped to wake.

00:56:10   I mean, yeah, they do.

00:56:13   Also, I'm not fiddling with my iPad Pro.

00:56:16   You know, it's 13 inch tablet, not fun as a fidget toy.

00:56:20   But yeah, yeah.

00:56:22   No more tapped to wake.

00:56:24   - How do you feel about this?

00:56:26   Wait, did we decide how you felt about the Touch ID?

00:56:28   - Yeah, I don't think we ever actually got there.

00:56:30   - Yeah.

00:56:31   - Touch the end of the screen, I don't care anymore,

00:56:33   just put it in the side button.

00:56:35   - Great.

00:56:36   - Yeah.

00:56:37   - We may have answered that already,

00:56:38   I don't remember anymore.

00:56:40   - No, no, that was my conclusion.

00:56:41   - Yeah, I mean, I like it, I like the feature,

00:56:43   but I understand in the situation you have described,

00:56:47   I would also be annoyed by that

00:56:49   if that was happening to me, you know?

00:56:51   I'm not a pocket fiddler like you.

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00:59:04   Last week we started looking at some changes to the Bill of —

00:59:08   - Oh, wait, hang on.

00:59:09   That's not correct.

00:59:10   Last week you ambushed us —

00:59:12   - Yes, thank you, Myke.

00:59:13   - With a complete rewrite of the Bill of Rickeys.

00:59:16   We gently discussed some changes.

00:59:20   And before we get into where we left off, I just wanted to point out some stuff Lex

00:59:25   has done at Rickys.co.

00:59:27   We're up to version 2.2 now.

00:59:29   There's several new pages.

00:59:31   Rickys.co/trophies includes everything you need to know about the different trophies,

00:59:36   including an AR version of the Tricky, our wooden trophies, and an interactive Mac Tricky.

00:59:43   Now the AR version is something James made.

00:59:47   - Yes.

00:59:48   - And I don't know if it ever was actually

00:59:50   in shipping Peacock, but it was at least

00:59:53   for a little while secretly inside of shipping Peacock

00:59:56   as he was working on that.

00:59:58   And I think he then provided the model to Lex.

01:00:02   And if I'm, it's always, oh, it's in shipping DICE.

01:00:04   That's it, DICE by Peacock.

01:00:06   If you're in the relay FM mode,

01:00:08   and I think if you then go to the about screen,

01:00:10   The MagTricky, no, the Tricky, the R version trophy,

01:00:15   is in Dice by Peacock now and does a bunch of updating.

01:00:19   And then he provided that model to Lex

01:00:22   to put it on the website too.

01:00:23   So there's all kinds of shenanigans going on here.

01:00:26   - And there's a full changelog over on the GitHub page

01:00:29   for the project.

01:00:30   But I wanted to point those two things out

01:00:31   because in the proposed new document,

01:00:35   we referenced that rickys.co has a page about the trophies.

01:00:40   And so that page is now real, which is very cool of Lex.

01:00:44   I know that was a lot of work, so thank you as always.

01:00:46   - Helps with the closing ceremonies.

01:00:48   (laughing)

01:00:49   - Yeah, well, we'll get there.

01:00:51   We got things to finish.

01:00:53   - Okay.

01:00:54   - So if you guys wanna reopen that document,

01:00:56   we need to finalize our decision on reusing of picks

01:01:02   during the rookies, during the regular game.

01:01:06   Do you all have any thoughts on how we should do that?

01:01:09   Didn't we want to re-discuss the preamble as well?

01:01:11   Yes, there's maybe a tweak that we could bring to the preamble.

01:01:15   Oh, right. Yeah, so Sam had recommended this. Sam writes on Twitter.

01:01:18   Which I like this.

01:01:19   I think the preamble should also briefly explain the actual principle of the game. Something

01:01:24   like players try to predict what happens during or after the keynote. That's a good suggestion.

01:01:29   Which is funny because like the preamble is supposed to explain the actual principle of

01:01:34   the game. Like I think that's what we were going for.

01:01:36   The Ricky's is a game where connected hosts play before Apple keynotes in the beginning

01:01:40   of a new year.

01:01:41   So I guess we just need to add trying to predict what happens.

01:01:45   Yeah.

01:01:46   Yeah.

01:01:47   That's because that's the point of like, it's just a game we play and there's a Ricky involved.

01:01:51   You know what I mean?

01:01:52   It's like, I think it needs the predictions, you know?

01:01:55   So what if I just add at the beginning?

01:01:57   So the Ricky's is a game connected hosts play before Apple keynotes in the beginning of

01:02:01   a new year trying to predict future events.

01:02:04   So what about reusing picks? Have y'all done some soul searching and... what was something?

01:02:12   I do think there needs to be a pick reusing rule. I don't think we should just get to

01:02:21   freely re-pick whatever we want.

01:02:24   Yeah, I agree. I've been thinking about this. I think we should keep something, and I feel

01:02:31   like maybe a good compromise could be you cannot reuse the same pick for the

01:02:39   next game so you have like a one game hold where you cannot reuse a pick. Can I

01:02:46   make a suggestion to that? That it is we cannot may repick our own things. Oh yeah

01:02:55   yeah that's yeah that was implied but yes I agree. Cool I didn't catch that. So

01:03:00   So for example, let's flesh this out.

01:03:03   Say that Myke makes a prediction

01:03:05   that MacBooks will come with 5G.

01:03:07   - Yeah.

01:03:08   - He does that in September.

01:03:11   And then in October, he can't use that again, but I can.

01:03:15   - Yeah. - Yes.

01:03:16   - But if there was an event in November,

01:03:18   I could then use it again.

01:03:20   - Yes.

01:03:21   - Yeah, I prefer this.

01:03:22   Because honestly, the reason that I don't like the year thing

01:03:27   is the complexity of keeping track of that.

01:03:32   - Yeah, with time it becomes, you know, challenging.

01:03:36   - And also as well, I don't think it's that helpful

01:03:41   because I don't really think many things picked in March

01:03:44   will be that applicable in October or anyone,

01:03:46   you know what I mean?

01:03:47   So like, it's adding a level of overhead,

01:03:50   which maybe isn't necessary,

01:03:53   and also allows us to actually make relevant picks again.

01:03:56   If someone made a pick in March about an iMac Pro coming,

01:04:00   like that was relevant, but then it wouldn't be relevant again

01:04:04   now until the end of the year.

01:04:06   But it's still a pick that should

01:04:07   be made if everyone believes the iMac Pro's coming

01:04:11   at the end of the year.

01:04:13   Yeah.

01:04:14   And it also adds an element of strategy to the game,

01:04:18   where if you think there's going to be multiple Apple events,

01:04:22   then you've got to be strategic about like, do I want to do this pick now

01:04:25   at the risk of not being able to pick it again for the next event, or do I want to save it

01:04:29   for the second event? So it adds that element, and it's easier for us to manage, because

01:04:36   we can just go to rikis.co, see the previous game, and you don't have to do the calculation

01:04:43   of like, has it been a year? No, you just go, what's the previous one, and what picks

01:04:47   can I use? And it's easier for everyone.

01:04:49   And I know that these incredible websites will have really great search tools, like

01:04:53   I know that they exist, but still I think a 12-month span is just it's too much. It's too aggressive

01:05:00   So let me ask you this. How does the annual game?

01:05:06   Fit into this is a pick dead between annual events the way I view it is

01:05:13   the way I'm thinking about it is

01:05:15   Say there's an October event and you pick MacBooks get 5g

01:05:20   You can't pick that in the annual because it was in your previous batch. I like that

01:05:24   So, okay, and if you pick something and if you pick something on the annual event, you cannot pick it again in the March event

01:05:32   Yeah, there's no there's no distinguishing between the two types of games. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, okay

01:05:38   Well, I actually wanna I don't know and now I have some stuff I need to think about here. So

01:05:45   For the end there's two things are different what I've heard that I like and would like to clarify it

01:05:50   So in the annual pick, I don't think any three of us should be able to pick anything we have picked in the previous 12 months

01:05:57   That that will be my ideal. Yeah, what I can't makes it too hard. That's the point that annual ones have got to be hard

01:06:04   Because what I like about the annual picks, right?

01:06:08   So let me just put that is that it is way grander than a keynote

01:06:12   Like we I like that you have to make much bigger predictions for the annual rookies

01:06:18   Like if we all made picks that could possibly happen in a March event, that's not so fun like and so by

01:06:26   Making us be really inventive. I like that about the annuals. We could choose to do whatever you want with that, but that's just my

01:06:32   thing

01:06:34   What I was then gonna say is any annual pick

01:06:37   That any of us has made

01:06:40   should be unpickable for the rest of the year.

01:06:42   Because then you're doubling down on it. Someone could double dip or like one pick

01:06:48   or maybe just an easier way to do it is anything you pick in the annuals you can't pick again.

01:06:52   Yeah, until the next... Like no annual pick is

01:06:56   chooseable by the

01:06:59   pick person, right? Like if I make a pick which is like

01:07:04   Apple releases an iPhone, you know what I mean?

01:07:07   Like I can't, like...

01:07:08   No, you lost me here, man.

01:07:10   Alright, so there's two, there are two things I want to raise with the annual picks, right?

01:07:15   Yeah.

01:07:16   Point number one, if we're coming to our 2023 annual picks,

01:07:20   Yeah.

01:07:21   I don't think I should be allowed to choose anything I have picked in 2022 for that.

01:07:26   That's point one, right?

01:07:28   So when you say anything you've picked, that's where I get confused.

01:07:32   When you say anything you've picked in 2022, does that apply to 2022 annual or 2022 annual

01:07:38   plus keynote events?

01:07:41   Everything.

01:07:42   Everything.

01:07:43   This is what I am proposing.

01:07:44   Because then it makes the annual picks harder and like they have to be bigger picture, right?

01:07:49   But I could still pick something you picked, but I can't pick anything I picked.

01:07:54   Point two is that anything picked in an annual Ricky cannot be reused in any keynote Ricky

01:08:04   for the following year by the person who picked it.

01:08:08   So I can't get points in both a keynote Ricky and an annual Ricky for the same thing.

01:08:14   You lost me again.

01:08:15   Okay.

01:08:16   We're going to do these point by point.

01:08:17   I'm going to start with the second one, right?

01:08:19   Yeah.

01:08:20   pick in the annual Ricky's WWDC will be in person right yes that's my pick I

01:08:26   locked that in yeah in June I can't pick WWDC is gonna be in person so any pick

01:08:33   that I make for an annual picky annual Ricky pick I cannot make any I cannot

01:08:38   re-pick anything like later on in the year it's the same thing right so any

01:08:42   any annual pick that I make cannot also be a keynote pick does that make sense

01:08:47   You don't have to agree with me, but do you follow what I'm saying?

01:08:50   So you want annual picks to be exclusive in their own world.

01:08:56   Yes.

01:08:57   Annual picks are this, you say them at the beginning of the year, you cannot reuse them

01:09:04   for anything through the course of the calendar year.

01:09:08   Yes.

01:09:09   Okay.

01:09:10   That's point one.

01:09:11   Then the other point is, it's going backwards.

01:09:14   So 2023's annual picks, I cannot reuse anything I have picked in 2022.

01:09:22   They have to be original and then they can't be reused.

01:09:25   So your goal is to make the January Riki's as original and bold as possible.

01:09:34   Yes, that's what I'm aiming for with these two rules.

01:09:38   Because I think that's what makes the annual game the most fun.

01:09:41   I mean, you're not wrong. That'll do it. It'll make it really challenging.

01:09:47   Because what I don't want us to be doing is picking things that are right on the horizon.

01:09:51   I mean, it makes the annual game very challenging and difficult.

01:09:56   It should be!

01:09:57   But it should be.

01:09:58   Because as well, right? Like, one of the problems with the Rikis is we don't know when it's going to happen.

01:10:04   The annual one, we know when that's happening, right? So it is our job to be thinking of these

01:10:10   for like two months before. So here's how I would put it all together, guys. Okay. We add two point,

01:10:18   two sub points about this rules. Okay. One says annual rickys, whatever you, so basically I'm

01:10:28   summarizing here, whatever you pick at the beginning of the year you cannot reuse through

01:10:32   through the course of the calendar year, and you cannot reuse any pick from the previous

01:10:38   year. For keynote rickies, you cannot reuse the same pick in the next keynote. And that's

01:10:48   it. So, essentially annual rickies have a one-year exclusivity, keynote rickies have

01:10:57   a one keynote exclusivity. That works for me, but it'll make the 2023 predictions really

01:11:05   fun to come up with. That's going to be some work and hard. Yeah. That's the point. Because

01:11:10   I want us to really like go for it with that one, right? Because it's, you know, it's fun

01:11:16   for me when the annual rookies, we're great. We could grade them all the way up to December

01:11:21   31st because anything can happen. Yeah. Right? We get into something like the PR chief being

01:11:28   replaced. You know what I mean? It's like that's the kind of stuff I like in the annual

01:11:32   ones. It's very like it's not even really product related as such. Like I think they're

01:11:37   the most fun. You're like you're trying to guess something. Like he's one of mine. I

01:11:40   think one of mine is that Tim Cook will say metaverse, right? Now that could happen at

01:11:44   any point. He could be in an interview and say it and then I have to just keep track

01:11:49   of that, you know? I like that. That's what I like about the annual ones. I agree with

01:11:53   all of this, but I would also exclude flexes from all of this. Oh, for sure! Yeah, yeah,

01:12:01   yeah. They're separate rules now. Flexes are a whole set of separate... And I would suggest

01:12:04   that this would be your call, Steven, that you don't need to read the annual Ricky's

01:12:08   part as part of the regular... Mmm, so it's like a AB group thing as read the correct

01:12:15   ones. Alright, so I'm working on language... That you just read what you need. Alright,

01:12:18   So picks made for event rookies can cannot be reused by the host who made the pick in

01:12:24   the next event rookie episode.

01:12:25   Well I guess though for the annual, for the event rookies you would need...

01:12:29   Let's do the event ones first.

01:12:30   Sorry.

01:12:31   Sorry.

01:12:32   I'm trying to, we've got to separate them.

01:12:33   Picks made for the event rookies cannot be reused by the host who made the pick in the

01:12:37   next event rookie episode.

01:12:39   Other hosts can reuse a pick made by someone else at any time.

01:12:43   For the annual rookies, hosts are forbidden from choosing a pass pick as an annual pick.

01:12:50   Once something is named as an annual pick, that host may not reuse that pick for...

01:13:07   That would mean you'd probably also have to read this part anyway.

01:13:11   I've realized that as I said it. For the annual rickies, hosts are forbidden from choosing,

01:13:20   here's what I would say, any pick from the previous calendar year, because what if I

01:13:25   want to use something from 2020? Any pick they made, or is it? They made. Yeah, this

01:13:31   is all just to us. I think you just locked to our own picks. From the previous calendar

01:13:36   year. When something is named as an annual pick, that host may not reuse that pick for

01:13:43   the next year. Should I repeat, other hosts can reuse a pick made by someone else at any

01:13:48   time? I don't think so. That could just be a separate line. Yeah. So all hosts are allowed

01:14:00   This is podcasting, am I right?

01:14:02   You know? - It's something.

01:14:03   - Like this is podcasting right here.

01:14:03   - Typing in Google Docs, this is what,

01:14:06   this is how, you know, this is how it works

01:14:08   behind the scenes.

01:14:08   - Okay.

01:14:10   All hosts are allowed to reuse a pick

01:14:11   made by someone else at any time.

01:14:14   - Yeah. - Cool.

01:14:15   Okay.

01:14:16   Feel good about that?

01:14:17   - Yep. - Yeah.

01:14:18   Yeah, I think I do.

01:14:20   - All right, so we've taken care of the preamble,

01:14:22   we've taken care of reusing picks, so that's done.

01:14:27   Now let's look at the flexes.

01:14:29   Once we'd maybe we want to do this now.

01:14:31   I would love a run one reread of it just to make sure that there aren't any holes

01:14:35   before we lock this in.

01:14:36   Let's do that now.

01:14:37   Okay.

01:14:38   So the Ricky's preamble.

01:14:39   The Ricky's is a game connected host play before Apple keynotes.

01:14:43   And the beginning of a new year trying to predict future events.

01:14:47   It is made up of three rounds.

01:14:49   Each host makes two regular picks followed by a risky pick.

01:14:53   There are two types of Ricky's annual Ricky's and keynote Ricky's.

01:14:58   The winner of the annual Ricky's is named the annual chairman and retains the

01:15:03   rights to the corresponding Twitter account for the full year.

01:15:06   This position is awarded every January.

01:15:09   The keynote Ricky's winner is named the keynote chairman and retains the rights

01:15:14   of the corresponding Twitter account until the next keynote is held.

01:15:17   After the Ricky's the hosts play a game called the flexies.

01:15:21   These two games have separate but related rules.

01:15:24   Please stand for the reading of the rules.

01:15:27   - There's two things that I love there.

01:15:28   I love that you've mentioned that.

01:15:30   This is very funny.

01:15:32   Separate but related rules is funny to me.

01:15:34   And then also like codifying the standing.

01:15:37   - Very good.

01:15:38   - Correct regular picks.

01:15:40   - This is the rules for the rookies, right?

01:15:42   - Yes, these- - Rules for the rookies.

01:15:44   - Yeah, rules of the rookies.

01:15:45   Correct regular picks are awarded with one point.

01:15:47   The language used for regular picks must be finalized

01:15:50   and agreed upon recording

01:15:53   and no partial points may be awarded.

01:15:55   Correct risky points are worth two points,

01:15:57   but wrong ones will cause a point.

01:16:00   - Risky picks are worth two points, not risky points.

01:16:02   - Sorry, correct risky-

01:16:04   - Risky points are worth two picks.

01:16:06   - Yes, correct.

01:16:07   Correct risky picks are worth two points,

01:16:10   but wrong ones will cause a point

01:16:12   to be deducted from that host's total.

01:16:14   Picks must have been approved as quote, "Risky"

01:16:16   by the other two hosts before the start of the game.

01:16:19   Picks made for keynote rookies cannot be reused

01:16:22   by the host who made the pick

01:16:23   in the next Keynote Rookies episode.

01:16:26   I'm gonna change that.

01:16:27   Picks.

01:16:30   - You view Keynote and Event.

01:16:31   - For the Keynote Rookies cannot be reused

01:16:33   by the host who made the pick for the next keynote.

01:16:38   - Okay, picks made for Keynote Rookies

01:16:41   cannot be reused by the host who made that pick.

01:16:44   Or this pick made the pick.

01:16:47   - Who made that pick.

01:16:49   Now, who made them? Not that pick.

01:16:53   Picks made for keynote rookies cannot be reused by the host who made them.

01:16:57   For the next keynote.

01:16:59   I like the personification of the pick.

01:17:01   Picks made for keynote rookies cannot be reused by the host who made them for the next keynote.

01:17:07   For annual rookies, hosts are forbidden from choosing any pick they made from the previous calendar year.

01:17:12   During the previous, yeah.

01:17:13   During the previous calendar year.

01:17:15   Once something is named as an annual pick,

01:17:18   that host may not reuse that pick for the next year.

01:17:21   That's wordy.

01:17:23   - For the current calendar year.

01:17:28   - Annual picks.

01:17:29   - Because if you say in January for the next year,

01:17:33   technically it means like 2024.

01:17:35   - Who made them for the remainder?

01:17:38   - Want something, wait.

01:17:39   - No, get rid of that. - Okay.

01:17:41   - Annual picks cannot be reused for the remainder

01:17:43   of that calendar year by the host who made them.

01:17:46   All hosts are allowed to reuse a pick made

01:17:48   by someone else at any time.

01:17:50   - Love it.

01:17:51   - Yeah.

01:17:52   - That's chaos.

01:17:53   - Yeah, that's good.

01:17:54   - There's some good chaos in there.

01:17:56   Wait, wait, wait, wait.

01:17:58   There is a slight, okay.

01:17:59   Look again, I just feel like I need to protect

01:18:01   against ourselves in the future.

01:18:04   At any time, does that mean during the same event, right?

01:18:08   All hosts are allowed to reuse a pick made

01:18:10   by someone else at any time.

01:18:12   could mean I could pick Steven's same pick during the same keynote.

01:18:18   All hosts are allowed to reuse picks made by others in reuse picks from previous games.

01:18:30   All hosts are allowed to reuse picks from previous games.

01:18:33   All hosts are allowed to reuse picks made by others from previous games.

01:18:41   hosts are allowed to reuse picks made by others from previous games. I like that.

01:18:45   Yeah, that clears that up. Good call. What if we all picked the exact same thing

01:18:50   one time? Then it's just a coin flip. We could just round robin the same

01:18:56   predictions for the whole year. See if anyone notices. Scoring is completed

01:19:01   during recording and cannot be modified once an episode is complete. In the event

01:19:05   of a tie diced by a peacock must be used in relay FM mode to pick a winner. Jason Snell

01:19:11   has a lifetime ban of flipping any coins in relation to the Ricky's semicolon. Coin flips

01:19:16   by Jason on other podcasts are allowed but are frowned upon.

01:19:23   I still want to say, but we judge those hosts.

01:19:29   But are frowned upon and judged.

01:19:32   And public and publicly shamed.

01:19:36   Yeah, yeah, we will know and we will find out and we're going to kill you.

01:19:42   Coin flips by Jason on other podcasts are allowed but are frowned upon and subject to

01:19:49   public shaming.

01:19:50   Yeah.

01:19:51   Yes.

01:19:52   Perfect.

01:19:53   Oh my god.

01:19:54   The order of picks is set by previous performance.

01:19:57   For annual rookies, the winner of the previous year's game goes first.

01:20:01   In the case of Keynote Rikis, the winner of the previous game goes first.

01:20:05   In both cases, the loser goes last.

01:20:08   Winners will be recognized during the closing ceremonies.

01:20:11   For Keynote Rikis, the scoring window starts when the event begins and closes when the

01:20:15   picks are scored.

01:20:17   Any information used in scoring must be publicly verifiable at the time of recording.

01:20:23   I kind of feel like the order of picks should be the last paragraph.

01:20:26   I was gonna say that paragraph is maybe too long, like longer than it needs to be.

01:20:32   Which one?

01:20:33   The fourth annual Ricky's the winner of the previous year game go first in the case of

01:20:37   the keynote Ricky's the winner of the previous game.

01:20:39   Like it's just too much.

01:20:40   Like I don't know if we even need that.

01:20:42   Like in order, the order of picks is set.

01:20:44   Well that's how we set, well we need by previous performance of the same type or something

01:20:48   like that, you know.

01:20:49   The order of picks is set by previous performance.

01:20:53   The winner of the previous associated game goes first.

01:20:58   Et cetera.

01:21:03   The loser goes last.

01:21:04   The previous loser goes last.

01:21:07   Yeah, it's good to note that one in there, you know?

01:21:10   Yeah, 'cause losers capitalize, which is fun.

01:21:13   Winners will be recognized during the closing ceremonies.

01:21:16   Love it.

01:21:18   As a reminder, Steven is the current annual chairman,

01:21:20   Federico is the current keynote chairman,

01:21:23   Twitter handle is on the line. Past results can be seen at rookies.co and

01:21:26   rookies.net. The former also has a page about how to manage your own score

01:21:30   keeping at home. I think I would like to add to the Twitter handle is on the line

01:21:34   part because it's way more than that now. There are trophies, you know? Let's just

01:21:41   get rid of that because we talked about the Twitter account earlier. We don't

01:21:44   need to do that anymore. Okay, so we feel good about all that? I think so. We can do

01:21:49   the flexes this will be quick I think because this is a much simpler game okay

01:21:53   this is the preamble the flexes is a game held after each edition of the

01:21:58   rookies it consists of a series of additional picks made in relation to the

01:22:03   upcoming Apple event or year scoring is completed separately from the main game

01:22:09   but like the rookies the orders pit the order of picks is set by the results of

01:22:13   the previous event and ties will be broken using dice by p-calc please lie

01:22:19   down as the rules are read. Please lie down. I forgot about that. Please lie down as the rules are read.

01:22:24   The flexi rules. Hosts must make a minimum of five flexi picks. Each correct pick is awarded with one

01:22:32   point. Wrong picks do not remove any points and no partial points may be awarded. The winner is

01:22:39   determined by comparing the percentage of correct flexis made by each host. So this used to be like

01:22:45   like a ratio or something else.

01:22:47   This is I think simpler.

01:22:48   You just compare the percentage of correct to incorrect.

01:22:50   - Yeah, 'cause we were doing percentages anyway.

01:22:52   That was how we would work that out.

01:22:54   - Yeah, we weren't really doing what the document said.

01:22:56   While there are no Twitter handles on the line

01:22:58   in the flexies, the winner can use their chosen title

01:23:01   as long as they are the winner.

01:23:02   Federico is Prince Flexi,

01:23:05   Myke has chosen Duke of Flexington,

01:23:07   and Steven is the Attorney General Flexi.

01:23:10   Loser of the flexies must compensate the winner

01:23:12   of the flexies by donating to the charity

01:23:15   to a charity of the winner's choice.

01:23:16   - Oh, a charity.

01:23:17   - The amount of the donation is $25 per wrong fucksy

01:23:20   made by the loser.

01:23:22   The money must be donated on air.

01:23:23   - This one is much more simple.

01:23:25   - Simple?

01:23:26   Very little changed here.

01:23:27   It really was just the percentage instead of the ratio.

01:23:30   Cool.

01:23:30   So are we good?

01:23:31   - I think we are.

01:23:33   Think we are?

01:23:34   - I mean, look, let's be real, okay?

01:23:36   We make changes to this document all the time.

01:23:39   - Yeah, but this is like a clean slate.

01:23:41   Like this is where we're going to-

01:23:42   This is clearer, but we're going to change it.

01:23:45   This is as some developers would say version 2022.3.

01:23:50   Just, we just made it in on the point three, you know?

01:23:53   Yeah, yeah.

01:23:55   Yeah. Yeah.

01:23:55   Yeah. Okay.

01:23:57   So this is the current bill of Ricky's.

01:24:01   It will be shared in our Google doc with you all.

01:24:06   And then of course on the bill of Ricky's page

01:24:10   over at rickys.co.

01:24:12   - Yeah, and Wikipedia.net too.

01:24:14   - Wikipedia, all those places.

01:24:16   Well, I think that does it for this week.

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01:24:27   This week, you can find that at relay.fm/connected/391.

01:24:32   You can find us online.

01:24:35   You can find Myke on Twitter as I-M-Y-K-E.

01:24:37   Myke hosts a bunch of shows here on Relay FM.

01:24:40   Anything you wanna plug?

01:24:41   Mmm, no.

01:24:44   Myke is doing nothing.

01:24:45   I'm taking the wig off.

01:24:47   Okay, that's true?

01:24:49   No it's not, but you know.

01:24:51   You can find Federico on Twitter @Vittici, V I T I C C I, and he is the editor-in-chief

01:24:57   of MacStories.net. Anything fun coming up over there?

01:25:02   I'm just gonna say we have a, like, we're announcing like this major thing on Friday.

01:25:07   an April Fool's thing. We don't do those. It's all real and I have my announcement all

01:25:14   set to go for Friday and that's all I'm gonna say for now. I'm just saying that's what it

01:25:19   sounds like someone would say if they were going to April Fool's. No, no, no. It's like

01:25:25   it's a real thing that I spent money on because we needed to build some infrastructure. So

01:25:32   So yeah, it's all real.

01:25:33   Yeah.

01:25:34   People spend money on April Fool's jokes.

01:25:36   Look, I can't believe what you want, but this is like real work.

01:25:41   You brought it up!

01:25:42   You know?

01:25:43   No, because some people are gonna say, "Oh, this isn't..."

01:25:45   No, we're doing this thing and I am super, super pumped.

01:25:51   And you guys know what it is.

01:25:52   Yeah, it's not an April Fool's joke.

01:25:53   Unless the April Fool's joke is on me and Steven.

01:25:56   That's right.

01:25:57   No, no, it's not.

01:25:58   There's multiple people involved.

01:26:01   you're playing a trick on all of them. No, no. Oh god. This is not some long con that

01:26:09   I'm doing here. Yeah, but I mean you have a history here. Yes. So, yes, look, you're

01:26:14   not my mom. I'm only pranking my mom, okay? I'm not pranking you guys or my readers, so.

01:26:22   I'm excited for people to see that. Stay tuned to MacStories. Thank you. You can find me

01:26:27   on Twitter as ISMH, I write at 512pixels.net, and host Mac Power Users here on Relay FM.

01:26:35   Go check that out.

01:26:36   What have you got coming up, Steven?

01:26:38   What do I have coming up?

01:26:39   I have a Kickstarter that'll launch at some point.

01:26:41   Like in the next week?

01:26:43   No, not next week.

01:26:44   Right.

01:26:45   I have a Mac Studio coming.

01:26:46   That's exciting.

01:26:47   I don't know.

01:26:48   Just regular work stuff.

01:26:50   You see?

01:26:51   Sometimes there isn't an answer, right?

01:26:52   Yeah, but like you always have some keyboard stream you're excited about, or you know.

01:26:55   I like to just pepper them in occasionally otherwise people get bored of it, you know.

01:27:00   Okay, you know, I'm just gonna stop asking and if you have something you can just interject it.

01:27:04   I'm never gonna do that, so it's one way or the other really.

01:27:06   I will just ask randomly.

01:27:09   Well here's the thing that you always know when I've got something going on.

01:27:13   That's not true!

01:27:13   So just ask me then.

01:27:14   That's not always true.

01:27:16   Like what?

01:27:17   Sometimes you have secret things!

01:27:19   That's true, but then they're secrets, you know.

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