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0:00:02- From Relay FM, this is Connected, episode 386.
0:00:11Today's show is brought to you by Squarespace,
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0:00:15My name is Myke Hurley,
0:00:16and I'm joined by Federico Vitti.
0:00:18Hi Federico.
0:00:19- Hello Myke, how are you?
0:00:21- I'm good my friend, how are you?
0:00:23- I am doing fantastic, and we are also joined today
0:00:26but the one and only true, the one true man
0:00:30from Tennessee, America, Mr. Stephen Hackett.
0:00:33How are you, sir?
0:00:34- Hello, why am I last?
0:00:38- Because this is the way, this is the way,
0:00:41this is the way it works now.
0:00:42We have a new website, it's connectedintro.com.
0:00:47This was put together by Zach and Matt,
0:00:49who are mods in our Discord.
0:00:51It's a lovely website and it will now tell us
0:00:53in pure round robin style who introduces who,
0:00:56who goes first, and then we're never gonna be able
0:00:59to complain again.
0:01:00I'm really intrigued though, like what will happen
0:01:03on the weeks where someone's not around?
0:01:06- Well, it's a call-in show.
0:01:08You gotta call in for the intro.
0:01:09- Maybe.
0:01:11Or we build some sort of AI.
0:01:15Or actually what needs to happen is these guys
0:01:19need to build some sort of AI that can fake us
0:01:22when we're not available.
0:01:24No, this is an amazing website.
0:01:26It was published, like,
0:01:28I think before the episode went up.
0:01:31Like, they did it while I was editing it.
0:01:34It has some amazing artwork, which you should go check out.
0:01:37And this is how we will introduce the show
0:01:41from now on, until we die.
0:01:44- Jeez. - Okay, okay.
0:01:46- Or the website dies.
0:01:48Who will live longer, you know?
0:01:50I don't understand why death has to be involved, but okay.
0:01:53Yeah.
0:01:54Good website.
0:01:56Never know.
0:01:57Minus the death.
0:01:58Okay.
0:01:59Okay.
0:02:00Yes.
0:02:00Thank you.
0:02:01Thank you to...
0:02:02Who created the website?
0:02:04Zach and Matt.
0:02:04Zach and Matt.
0:02:04It's written right there in the document.
0:02:06It's like right in front of you.
0:02:07I lost my place in the document.
0:02:09I could tell.
0:02:09Oh, yeah.
0:02:10Okay.
0:02:10Zach and Matt.
0:02:11Thank you.
0:02:12We have some feedback.
0:02:14I want to jump straight into like real follow-up that is not about, you know, the show itself.
0:02:19We have some follow-up from Ryan in Discord about classical music that we talked about last week
0:02:24regarding the Apple classical app that seems to be launching on Android, and I have to assume any on other platforms as well, as
0:02:33the
0:02:35standalone experience that Apple mentioned months ago when they acquired Primephonic, the service for classical music. And Ryan wrote a
0:02:43much better
0:02:45summary of what I was trying to explain on the show. So Ryan obviously know what they're talking
0:02:50about when it comes to classical music, and I'm just gonna paraphrase here, I'm just gonna read
0:02:54here from this paragraph because it really sums it up well. "The experience of trying to find
0:02:59recordings of pieces of classical music has always been pretty broken in any music streaming or
0:03:05purchasing service, even back in the iTunes day." This is what I was trying to explain. "The model
0:03:10that Apple went with for categorizing their music is not really compatible with classical music.
0:03:15You're dealing with at least three individuals or groups, the composer, the ensemble, the conductor,
0:03:24and the soloists, that all have very important parts in making the music. There are different
0:03:30types of ensembles that all have their classical, their musical traditions, music from different
0:03:36time periods, and this was also something else that I wanted to mention, the year that
0:03:40the piece was composed is usually different than when the recording was made. And many
0:03:46more factors that differentiate classical music from popular music in terms of a categorization
0:03:53standpoint. So yeah, there are so many different variables when it comes to how do you properly
0:03:59categorize classical music, because it's not like pop music at all. And so if you want
0:04:05to have a very good experience for folks who want to listen to classical music on a streaming
0:04:11service, you probably have to make a separate experience that is just for that.
0:04:16This really opened my eyes as to why it needs to be a separate experience. Like, trying
0:04:21to cram all of this in the music app as we know it today, like, I just don't see a way
0:04:26that would be feasible, because you have all these additional fields and all this additional
0:04:32data that people want to search and filter by all those things.
0:04:37I'd kind of wondered when this was announced, why are they doing it separately?
0:04:41Why not just have maybe even a section in the music app?
0:04:44But Ryan's comment really made me understand what these users want is really totally different
0:04:52from what other music kind of needs.
0:04:56And so yeah, to best serve them, of course it would be a separate app.
0:05:01like from like an architectural standpoint you have to begin again.
0:05:04I would just say as somebody who lived through the Green Gate period I want no more classical
0:05:13music follow-up.
0:05:15If you have more to add on this just, I don't know, email it to a friend.
0:05:21No more.
0:05:22Write a blog post.
0:05:23I honestly feel like classical music, no I disagree with that.
0:05:29classical music people have my sympathy. They're good people, they know what they're talking
0:05:33about. I don't doubt that. They have, classical people, they have, and I really like using
0:05:38this word, they have exquisite taste. You see that Federico? The reason I'm saying all
0:05:45this is because I can feel in you that you would happily just keep talking about this
0:05:51every single week. It is very rare that we have a piece of follow up which is not labelled
0:05:58you just start doing it. That's a rare... I was quite surprised when you just took that
0:06:02upon yourself. So I can see where this is going. I don't want to keep dealing with this
0:06:08like we had to deal with Steven. Because Myke hates music. I hate music. I hate music and
0:06:14green. Our podcast does open with classical music if you haven't heard it in a while.
0:06:21Does it though? To me that's just the connected theme song. I don't know. Yeah I don't know
0:06:24who actually wrote it. I did. I did in GarageBand one weekend. Settle down.
0:06:32No, if you did it, it would have like a bunch of drum and bass beats. Yeah, yeah,
0:06:36there's a lot of techno. Isn't that an intro from an Apple event? In a garage, making beats
0:06:41with Apple sounds? Yes. That was the music Steven wish he could have made. Yeah.
0:06:46- Yeah.
0:06:46- Yeah.
0:06:47- I have purchased a battery backup for my network closet.
0:06:53So last week's episode, I disappeared for a while.
0:06:56And one of the things I did when I was editing,
0:06:58I was like, you know what?
0:06:59It's time to finally fix this.
0:07:01The reason I haven't done it is that all my stuff
0:07:04is in the top of one of my children's closets.
0:07:07It's like in the center of the house
0:07:08where the internet comes in and I have the modem,
0:07:13the cable modem from Xfinity,
0:07:15and then a switch and an Eero.
0:07:18So anyways, I've bought a battery bracket
0:07:19that will fit kind of in on the shelf.
0:07:22So a lot of battery backups people have,
0:07:24like the one I have under my desk is a vertical one.
0:07:27There's like a little PC tower kind of
0:07:29with lots of outlets in the back.
0:07:30And this one is more horizontal with the plugs on top.
0:07:34And so anyways, I got it.
0:07:35I did it this weekend.
0:07:36So now if my power just blinks,
0:07:39I will stay online because all that's on a battery backup
0:07:42where the Switch and Eero are plugged into my office
0:07:46'cause there's ethernet running
0:07:47between the house and the studio.
0:07:48That's on a battery backup.
0:07:50My Mac Pro is on a battery backup.
0:07:52- How long would you get?
0:07:54- The Mac Pro, not super long,
0:07:57but I think the network would stay up for a while
0:07:59'cause it's just like a couple of little boxes.
0:08:02- Mm-hmm.
0:08:03- It's very exciting.
0:08:04- Spotify car thing.
0:08:06This is something we spoke about a while ago.
0:08:10It is like Spotify built their own pseudo in,
0:08:15I was gonna say in flight, in car entertainment system,
0:08:19'cause you could use it in flight maybe.
0:08:21It is not a standalone player.
0:08:25I don't even think it has any storage.
0:08:28All it does is connects to your phone and your car
0:08:33so you can play Spotify music through your car stereo
0:08:39car stereo with a nice little screen and a dial and a bunch of tactile buttons on
0:08:45it. I think Steven probably put this in there, basically a fancy remote
0:08:51control for Spotify on your iPhone or Android phone and this was previously an
0:08:55invite thing you could apply to get one but now anyone can buy it it's $89.
0:09:01Yeah I mean I think it's a pretty smart way of doing it because if since
0:09:07it doesn't have like its own cellular connection and its own like playback
0:09:13mechanism or you know decoding or anything like that I think it's why the
0:09:17price can be the 90 bucks that it is which is I think reasonable for what
0:09:23this does if you're into Spotify and you have a car that is basically just
0:09:28Bluetooth or aux in so you maybe you drive something a little bit older that
0:09:31doesn't have CarPlay or Android Auto this sort of bridges the gap to those
0:09:35things and and I honestly I really like the hardware I mean I haven't played
0:09:40with one so it may feel terrible but I love the way that it looks and I think a
0:09:45really clever thing they've done is along the top ledge you can't really see
0:09:49them but they're kind of behind the front the top lip are four hardware
0:09:55buttons that you can program to go to your favorites so if you have a
0:09:59favorite playlist or station and Spotify or album you can just reach up and hit
0:10:05the button and go to it I'm glad someone thought of that I think it's a pretty
0:10:10good idea I am just surprised it doesn't even have a little like some some
0:10:14storage that you could just put some music on it though like that's weird to
0:10:17me like but I mean how would you do it I guess I guess from Bluetooth from your
0:10:21phone yeah like how you could download tracks on like to your phone and Spotify
0:10:25you know yeah so you can listen to some offline hmm just interesting to me that
0:10:31It's just a big remote control.
0:10:33I just find that kind of weird.
0:10:35- Maybe there'll be like a car thing,
0:10:37which I think is a great name.
0:10:38Like I like so much about this product.
0:10:41Maybe there's like a car thing pro in the future
0:10:43that's 200 bucks that does give you some of that.
0:10:46- Mm-hmm, maybe.
0:10:47I don't know.
0:10:48- Anyways, I think it's interesting
0:10:49and if you're into Spotify
0:10:51and you have a Spotify premium account
0:10:53and your car is sort of in this middle ground,
0:10:56then this could be for you.
0:11:01I think it's a good idea. I think it's fun. I think it also wouldn't be necessary if more
0:11:07phones had an automatic sort of... I mean the cars switched the UI to be a car-friendly UI mode.
0:11:16I think Android does, the iPhone doesn't. I think it would be smart if Apple had...
0:11:23It wouldn't have to be a huge thing, but maybe if you have a media app,
0:11:29you could maybe automatically detect if I'm driving and maybe make the UI bigger and more
0:11:35comfortable to use. My car doesn't have CarPlay, my car doesn't have any sort of fancy...
0:11:44It's got the basic Bluetooth integration with smartphones. It doesn't even display
0:11:50media artwork, for example. It's a very old Bluetooth standard, and I would happily just
0:11:58use my iPhone in landscape mode with my MagSafe Belkin car mount instead. But the problem
0:12:05is when I'm driving, I want, I would like those controls on the iPhone to be bigger,
0:12:11to be much larger. Now I could manually change in accessibility settings, you know, some
0:12:20elements to make them bigger and more, you know, high contrast, for example, only when
0:12:25when I'm driving, but that seems a little too involved.
0:12:29And I think the last time I tried,
0:12:30I wasn't able to get exactly what I wanted
0:12:33done with shortcuts as an automation.
0:12:35I think honestly, the iPhone is capable of detecting
0:12:40when you're driving, when you're in a car.
0:12:42That should be a built-in thing, right?
0:12:45Instead of Apple, it's like, no, just use CarPlay,
0:12:47but not everybody has CarPlay, so yeah.
0:12:51- Yeah, Apple's idea is, oh, you're driving in the car,
0:12:53we're gonna turn your screen black
0:12:55because it's focus mode now.
0:12:58- Yeah, and Spotify does it.
0:13:00Spotify, like the Spotify app on the iPhone,
0:13:03has a car mode.
0:13:05And when I was using Spotify last year,
0:13:07that was one of the things that I liked about it,
0:13:09that when it detects a Bluetooth connection to a car unit,
0:13:14it switches to a bigger, simplified,
0:13:17keep your eyes on the road sort of UI mode.
0:13:21That's a clever idea, I think.
0:13:23And maybe, you know, I could see that sort of thing
0:13:26be an API for at least media apps, right?
0:13:30Because that's what you use usually when you're in the car.
0:13:33You're either checking out directions
0:13:35or you're controlling audio playback.
0:13:37So I'm surprised that Apple has done nothing on this front.
0:13:42- I guess why can't my phone just go,
0:13:45just show, just be CarPlay in the car?
0:13:48Like why can't it do that? - Or that.
0:13:50Or that.
0:13:52That's a much simpler approach.
0:13:54Turn the iPhone, turn my home screen, enter CarPlay mode.
0:13:59The apps that I have on my phone automatically show up
0:14:05on the CarPlay home screen because I have them installed.
0:14:07I don't need to log in again, I don't need to do anything.
0:14:10And of course those iPhone apps
0:14:13already have the CarPlay components built in.
0:14:16So yeah, why doesn't the iPhone turn into a CarPlay,
0:14:20like a virtual carplay unit when I'm in the car.
0:14:23- And correct me if I'm wrong,
0:14:24isn't all of the processing happening on the phone anyway?
0:14:27- It is, yes.
0:14:29- So there's no reason that they can't do this then, really.
0:14:34It's just whatever they want to.
0:14:35- They don't want to, yeah.
0:14:38- Well.
0:14:39- I don't know why.
0:14:41- Get it to people. - It's a bummer.
0:14:43My favorite thing sort of in like car audio world right now
0:14:47is a lot of head units that you can get
0:14:51that's like to retrofit CarPlay into a vehicle.
0:14:54Or maybe you don't replace the head unit that you have,
0:14:58but you wanna add something to it.
0:15:00A lot of these are like cheap Android tablets
0:15:04that have enough sort of like internals to them
0:15:09where they fake being a CarPlay receiver.
0:15:13So you're like sending CarPlay
0:15:15to an Android tablet in your car.
0:15:18And something about that really makes me think
0:15:20that someone at Apple hates it.
0:15:21And that kind of makes me laugh.
0:15:22- That is funny.
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0:17:23The iPod Touch has now gone 1000 days without an update. Thank you to MacRumors for pointing
0:17:31this out a couple of days ago. The iPod Touch features a 4 inch Retina display, Touch ID
0:17:36home button, headphone jack, a 1.2 megapixel camera. Nice, that's a good one.
0:17:42It's the best one, it's vintage. An A10 fusion chip. What are we up to now?
0:17:48A20 or something. No, A15 I think. 32 gigabytes of RAM is the starting storage.
0:17:56Of storage, not RAM. 32 gigabytes of RAM, 17 terabytes of storage.
0:18:0532 gigabytes of storage starting at $199.
0:18:10That's the company, you can still buy it.
0:18:13You can go ahead and buy it.
0:18:14I was looking at this story
0:18:17and something popped into my head.
0:18:19I want to see what you two think about it.
0:18:20Do you think Apple would do for the iPod Touch
0:18:23what it did for the iPad mini?
0:18:25- Hmm, that's a fun thing to imagine
0:18:32because like with the iPad mini,
0:18:35they didn't fundamentally change the reason
0:18:40why the iPad mini exists, right?
0:18:43Which is it's a small iPad.
0:18:46It does everything an iPad can do,
0:18:48I guess minus the magic keyboard maybe,
0:18:52but you can use the pencil and it's got the new design.
0:18:54It doesn't have Face ID,
0:18:55but it's got this new generation of Touch ID.
0:18:58It's an iPad.
0:18:58It runs iPadOS, but it's super compact,
0:19:02and it's using relatively new technology.
0:19:05With the iPod Touch, I guess there's a different problem,
0:19:09because with the iPad Mini,
0:19:10we knew that there was still value
0:19:13in the underlying nature of the product.
0:19:17With the iPod Touch, I wonder if there's still value
0:19:22in the original idea behind the iPod Touch,
0:19:25which is it's sort of like an iPhone,
0:19:28like, but without the fun part, and it's a device.
0:19:33It was originally pitched for music and video games.
0:19:36But now that we have Apple Music
0:19:38and Apple Arcade everywhere,
0:19:41I think the problem that we gotta look for
0:19:43is at the very core of the iPod Touch.
0:19:46Like, does it still make sense for the iPod Touch
0:19:49to exist in this, like, in its original idea?
0:19:54Because the iPod Mini, the answer is,
0:19:56"Yeah, I do want to have a very small iPad that does everything an iPad can do."
0:20:03But with the iPod touch, can you answer the same question with a yes?
0:20:07I don't think so. So I think a few things would have to change.
0:20:12Right?
0:20:14Well, I mean, I genuinely don't think that the product has any clear...
0:20:20Because it's like, what's the market fit, if you will?
0:20:26Like, why would I need an iPod Touch?
0:20:30If I'm an Apple customer, and Apple loves when you,
0:20:34as a customer, buy all of the products that they make,
0:20:37because they believe that there's a place for everything
0:20:40in the Apple ecosystem in your life.
0:20:43There's a place for an iPad, for a Mac, and for an iPhone,
0:20:45AirPods, Apple TV, and Beats, and an Apple Watch.
0:20:49They love it when you buy everything.
0:20:51But in this case, if I were to ask myself the question,
0:20:54"Why would I need an iPod Touch?"
0:20:55- Mm-hmm.
0:20:57- Why would I, right?
0:20:58Why would I need an iPod Touch in its current form?
0:21:00- Like, if they did do a Face ID-enabled,
0:21:05full-screen iPod Touch with a new camera
0:21:08and a new processor, like, who is it for?
0:21:12- Exactly, like, let's entertain this idea
0:21:16that they update the iPod Touch.
0:21:18They don't fundamentally change the product.
0:21:20they give it more storage, new screen, maybe Face ID, no cellular connectivity at all.
0:21:28Or a Touch ID power button probably.
0:21:30Or a Touch ID power button.
0:21:32But it's still that. It's still like a watered down version of an iPhone.
0:21:38Would it still make sense?
0:21:40And honestly, I don't think it would, even with updated specs.
0:21:46I don't see...
0:21:47I reckon it's probably worth me interrupting you here to go to the daddy of the group.
0:21:52Hey daddy.
0:21:54Hey.
0:21:56Because Kate's already mentioned it and I know that people are already opening their
0:21:59Twitter apps to say, "What about kids? What about the kids? Do you have those?"
0:22:03Think about the kids.
0:22:05"Won't somebody please think of the children?"
0:22:07So what do you think? Because I mean, I guess that's probably one of the reasons it has existed
0:22:15or did exist for a while. What do you think about that?
0:22:18Yeah, our oldest has an iPod touch and we opted for that over an iPad mainly for the size of it
0:22:28and he's basically using it as like a music player that has iMessage to me and Mary.
0:22:37It also has a headphone jack which is one reason we went for it. Not that you couldn't use,
0:22:44I guess lightning or USB-C headphones but
0:22:47I definitely didn't feel great about buying it
0:22:51you know, I did not want to do an iPod
0:22:54or an iPad mini for him
0:22:56and really because of cost
0:22:59but to me that's why the iPod Touch is still there
0:23:02because it is, it's expensive for what it is
0:23:04but it's a lot cheaper than the alternatives
0:23:06OK
0:23:07If it didn't exist
0:23:09right?
0:23:10What would you have done?
0:23:12probably like a refurbished iPad mini?
0:23:16- Or maybe like a used iPhone or something,
0:23:19because the difference here, I think,
0:23:22given that the iPhone has been around
0:23:23for 15 years at this point,
0:23:27I think it's much more common now
0:23:30to have used iPhones that you can hand down to kids
0:23:35than it was, say, 10 years ago,
0:23:37when the iPod Touch was maybe a bigger deal.
0:23:40But I think it's easier and it's more common than before
0:23:45to have used Apple devices that maybe you don't wanna sell
0:23:48or maybe you're like, you know what,
0:23:50instead of selling this, I'm just gonna give it to my kid
0:23:52and I'm upgrading to a new iPhone or a new iPad.
0:23:55And that was not necessarily as common 10 years ago.
0:23:59- So $200, right, that's what we're talking about.
0:24:03It's like, I wonder what you could get realistically
0:24:05for $200, but that's probably it, right?
0:24:07Like, if you didn't get an iPad,
0:24:10you would get them a used iPhone, you just don't have to put a SIM in it and then it's
0:24:13exactly the same, right?
0:24:15Yeah, yep.
0:24:16Probably better though. I reckon you could get a better specced phone, used phone for
0:24:22$200 than a new iPod touch.
0:24:25Probably.
0:24:26You know me, I had to come up with a fun thought experiment for the iPod touch.
0:24:30Please.
0:24:31I mean, what even is an, like, what is an iPod touch?
0:24:33How big is the DAC on this thing? Just start of thing.
0:24:37So hear me out. What if...
0:24:40OK, let's start from the very basics.
0:24:43We know that Apple likes money. They love money, right?
0:24:46They are a big money-loving company, right?
0:24:49They sure love the cash.
0:24:51And what if they came up with a way to sell you an iPod Touch?
0:24:56What if they went back to the very roots of the word iPod?
0:25:03Right? What's an iPod?
0:25:04It's the device for music.
0:25:06"Okay, what would a device for music make from Apple? What would a modern iPod look like or do?"
0:25:15Or, "What would it offer in terms of enjoying and listening to music compared to an iPhone or an iPad or a MacBook,
0:25:25whatever it is you're using for music?"
0:25:27So here's a fun few ideas that I sort of kicked around in our shared document here.
0:25:33Tons of storage. Tons of storage for offline downloads from Apple Music or your own personal
0:25:41offline music library. But imagine like 512 gigabytes as the starting storage and then,
0:25:47you know, maybe like a one terabyte model, maybe even two terabytes. Is there even two
0:25:51terabytes of music in Apple Music, the whole catalog? I don't know, maybe. I'm sure it's
0:25:56over two terabytes, but like tons of storage. And that immediately asked me like, OK, that's
0:26:04pretty neat to have a portable device that is made from Apple that runs iOS with a ton
0:26:11of storage for music. That would be cool. But of course, storage is not exciting. Right.
0:26:17So now we're gonna get into the weirder ideas.
0:26:22"Ports!"
0:26:23Exclamation point.
0:26:25Like, that's how it's spelled in the notes.
0:26:28Like, just that, "ports."
0:26:29Like, imagine...
0:26:30It's one of those slides, remember the slides where the text used to fall down and the,
0:26:35like the smoke used to, you know, like when you do the keynotes?
0:26:38Mm-hmm.
0:26:39"Po-" "Boom!"
0:26:40And then that'd be it.
0:26:41Yeah.
0:26:42"Ports!" like that.
0:26:43"Ports!"
0:26:44Right?
0:26:45Yeah.
0:26:46I think it would be neat if the iPod Touch could slot right in your existing audio setup
0:26:54at home, right?
0:26:56Whether you have a home theater thing going on or you've got a bunch of speakers, you've
0:27:00got an existing setup in your living room, or maybe you're part of that weird niche of
0:27:07people with the listening room because you're an audiophile.
0:27:12What if you could take that little player and use it with your existing setup?
0:27:17So I would imagine that the very obvious ports would be the 3.5mm and the 6.35mm jacks that
0:27:27are very common in those kinds of setups.
0:27:31I could also see Apple do something like using the 4.4mm balanced audio output that is becoming
0:27:40more common these days, but judging from the loves that I hear...
0:27:44And I just double checked, you said you could see? Is that what you said, or couldn't see?
0:27:48I could see.
0:27:49You could?
0:27:50I could. I mean, if we are entertaining the idea... This is all based on nothing, right?
0:27:56This is just speculation. We are imagining things, right? If we were to imagine things...
0:28:04I mean, some of us are.
0:28:05Start from there, like don't question my intentions.
0:28:08Just buy into the theory, okay?
0:28:12- I'm back on board again, I'm back on board again.
0:28:17I apologize for my incident.
0:28:19- Right, okay.
0:28:20So that's sports.
0:28:22Obviously, this device, call it the new iPod touch
0:28:28or the iPod Pro or the, just the iPod.
0:28:33- iPod Pro. - Just iPod.
0:28:34could you imagine a world?
0:28:36- It would have, because Apple Music now has it,
0:28:39it would have built-in lossless and high-res lossless output.
0:28:44No odd limitations, as is the case with the existing iPhones
0:28:49and the existing AirPods.
0:28:51This thing has a new built-in DAC,
0:28:54and it outputs lossless and high-res lossless,
0:28:57doesn't care about it.
0:28:58You know, it's got tons of storage,
0:29:00it's got a big battery in it,
0:29:01and it can output your 24-bit audio, just doesn't care.
0:29:05From Apple Music, no problem.
0:29:08Lastly, and this is a fun one,
0:29:11what if the iPod, so what if this new iPod
0:29:14had a brand new Equalizer app made by Apple?
0:29:19What if Apple made Equalizer a system
0:29:23like built-in app in this new iPod?
0:29:25Equalizing is like, I never do it myself,
0:29:29But I know that doing like tweaking like...
0:29:33The thing that Myke likes to make fun of, like,
0:29:36"Oh, I want to have a bit more mids.
0:29:38I want to have a bit more bass."
0:29:39- Highs and low mids with the full round bass tones.
0:29:44- Yes.
0:29:45So you got to understand that some people
0:29:49like to do with audio, like to talk about audio,
0:29:52the same way that like wine people tend to talk about wine.
0:29:57I have noticed in myself, right, that I talk about the difference in keyboard
0:30:02sounds. So I know I'm one of these people now just in a different area.
0:30:07Yeah.
0:30:08Each area has its own lingo and there's the lingo in audio, too.
0:30:11And in audio, people like to equalize stuff.
0:30:14And so if we are entertaining this imagination,
0:30:20equalizer made by Apple would be cool.
0:30:24Like, I could see a nice UI, you know, drag and drop to adjust the curves and the lines.
0:30:33That would be fun. That would be fun.
0:30:36So that's my pitch, right?
0:30:39Hire him, Apple.
0:30:40Hire me?
0:30:41Yeah.
0:30:42You know, I'm looking for a job as iPod product manager.
0:30:48So...
0:30:49As a job that has not been fulfilled at Apple in a long time.
0:30:53I will product merge your iPod.
0:30:57Look, look, I will make you thousands of dollars.
0:31:02They take you to your desk and it's like covered in like trash and spider webs.
0:31:09Like this is where the last guy sat in 2010.
0:31:14And they still have faded pictures of their family on the phone.
0:31:18Those kids are now in college.
0:31:21I guarantee you, you will not be in Apple Park.
0:31:24Like your desk is not in Apple Park.
0:31:26It's in the basement of Infinite Loop.
0:31:28That's where your desk is.
0:31:29Yeah, or one of those like far off offices like in Santa Clara or something like, nobody
0:31:35cares about those guys anymore.
0:31:38You know, I just feel like sometimes, like, you know, I know that people listen to the
0:31:41show and that like, you know, we hear it, right?
0:31:44We hear from people every now and then that listen to the show and can grade the Ricky's,
0:31:48right?
0:31:49that they could grade the Ricky's before the event happens.
0:31:53I cannot tell you how much joy it would give me
0:31:56if there is somebody at Apple right now
0:31:58who's like, "You wait two weeks,
0:32:00"then we'll see who's laughing."
0:32:03You know?
0:32:04That they're getting ready to drop this incredible iPod Pro.
0:32:09So you guys are chuckling, you think I'm,
0:32:12I sit on the very top floor of Apple Park,
0:32:14I got an office next to Tim's.
0:32:16We've been working hard on this thing, you know?
0:32:19If they bring back the iPod with a music angle,
0:32:24I will get, and you can record me here,
0:32:29you can save this clip.
0:32:30We are literally recording you.
0:32:31I will get, well, you know, I mean the people at large.
0:32:35Because we need witnesses.
0:32:38I will get an iPod-related tattoo.
0:32:42If they bring back the iPod with a music angle
0:32:48for people like me, I will get it.
0:32:51And now, not saying the Apple logo or like,
0:32:54and like something iPod related.
0:32:56- I would say like a single line kind of iPod,
0:33:00just like one of the classic iPods of a click wheel tattoo.
0:33:02It would just look really good.
0:33:03You should just like think about that anyway.
0:33:04- That would look good.
0:33:05- So that'd be like a good tattoo.
0:33:05- That would look good.
0:33:06Or maybe there's like the,
0:33:07like the silhouettes of the people dancing
0:33:09with the white earbuds.
0:33:10Like I can also see that being nice.
0:33:14- Right across your--
0:33:15- I will get it done.
0:33:16I will get it done.
0:33:17So, I mean, how could you resist this?
0:33:22Honestly, I don't understand why this product doesn't exist.
0:33:25Like there's literally dozens of us out there
0:33:28willing to buy this product.
0:33:30- Take my money, as they say.
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0:35:16I made a purchase that I want to share with you all.
0:35:19I, uh, I've, I've been using an iPhone case for a while now.
0:35:23Some people who may have listened to the show long enough may know that many,
0:35:26many years ago I had a couple of incidents of broken phones and with the
0:35:31Pro Max, it's just a big phone.
0:35:33And I would like to have some additional protection.
0:35:36So I've been using an Apple leather case, but then, uh, I've made an upgrade
0:35:41I have a picture of it in the show notes for y'all that I've instructed you not to look at until now.
0:35:46You can look at it now, and I would like your feedback.
0:35:49Okay.
0:35:49Okay.
0:35:51Oh my god, no.
0:35:52My word.
0:35:55Okay, I'm opening the link.
0:35:56Why?
0:35:56Hold on.
0:35:57Oh god.
0:35:59Oh no, no, no, no.
0:36:02No, no, no.
0:36:03Oh!
0:36:05This is bad.
0:36:06This is the case of a deranged individual.
0:36:09No, no.
0:36:11- Why? - So for our audio listeners
0:36:14who aren't in the Discord at the moment,
0:36:16I don't know, what are you doing on Wednesdays?
0:36:17- Opening this image has literally put a beach ball
0:36:22on Safari for me.
0:36:23Like I have to now force quit Safari
0:36:26because of trying to load this image.
0:36:27- Well, we're gonna talk about Safari in a future segment,
0:36:30so a lot of that. - Nope, nope.
0:36:32- This is a phone case made of the little Steven heads.
0:36:37So if you're a member and you downloaded the new wallpapers,
0:36:39there's wallpaper of this.
0:36:40It looks like Myke's desk.
0:36:41- Oh yeah, 'cause if you're me,
0:36:43you just look down at the desk and you can also see it.
0:36:45- Yeah, your life is an iPhone case.
0:36:48It is kind of like holding a swarm of bees in your hand.
0:36:51I guess kind of the feeling you get.
0:36:53- It really bothers me.
0:36:54Like it really visually bothers me.
0:36:57It's like the whole thing, don't Google it, but it's that.
0:37:02- Oh, trypophobia. - It gives me that.
0:37:03No, don't say it, but yes.
0:37:05- You should take a look at the new Samsung phone, man.
0:37:08That's a good time.
0:37:09(sighs)
0:37:11- All right, so look, I have a question here.
0:37:14Are you actually going to use this as your iPhone case?
0:37:17- I mean, not if my wife has anything to do with it,
0:37:19but I kinda like it.
0:37:20- 'Cause I was gonna say, how do you feel about the,
0:37:23what's the word that I'm looking for here?
0:37:28Not arrogance, when someone thinks a lot of themselves.
0:37:34What is the word that I'm looking for?
0:37:38Narcissism, thank you Kim.
0:37:40Yes.
0:37:40Oh, the vanity, thank you robot emoji.
0:37:43Well, what is it though?
0:37:45Oh, the two words.
0:37:45Both of those words.
0:37:47Like it's narcissistic, it's vain
0:37:49to have a phone case of just your own face,
0:37:52like a cartoon of your own face over and over and over
0:37:54and over and over again, you know?
0:37:56Well, you know, if someone asked about it.
0:37:57I'm not saying that, someone could say that.
0:38:00I don't say that.
0:38:00It's like people who get their initials stitched
0:38:04on like jackets and ties.
0:38:06No, that's cool because--
0:38:07- Yeah, is it?
0:38:08- Yeah, yeah, there's something cool about that.
0:38:10That's classy.
0:38:11Maybe this is just like modern classy.
0:38:14Maybe it's me who's out of touch, you know?
0:38:17- Zansen says you should have gotten Myke's face.
0:38:20- See, this is the thing I feel like
0:38:21is what you should have done because--
0:38:24- Or us together. - Take it from me.
0:38:25Take it from me, all that.
0:38:26Yeah, take it from me.
0:38:27It's good to have somebody else's face
0:38:29all over your desk all the time,
0:38:30constantly, forever, and again.
0:38:32- I've got a Cal-Axe covered in your face.
0:38:34- Yeah, but you don't care about Cal-Axes.
0:38:36You probably threw that thing in the trash.
0:38:38You burned it or something.
0:38:39- Right here, right there, right through the doorway.
0:38:42- So what is the deal here?
0:38:43Casetify, what you can make your own cases of them?
0:38:47- Yeah, so Kathy Campbell sent me this.
0:38:50You can basically upload your own artwork
0:38:53and then they put it on a, they could do it on anything.
0:38:55They have a bunch of products.
0:38:57And this is a MagSafe capable case.
0:39:00The wallet doesn't really stick to the back of it,
0:39:02but it will charge and line up on a MagSafe puck.
0:39:05and it seems to charge fine.
0:39:06This is a bulkier case than I would want to use day to day,
0:39:10but I thought it was too funny to pass up.
0:39:14Maybe this will be my special occasions iPhone case.
0:39:17- How special could those occasions be?
0:39:20- I don't know.
0:39:21- So it's supposed to go to like a formal
0:39:23like gala fundraiser thing this weekend.
0:39:28- Oh!
0:39:30- Maybe I could take it there.
0:39:31- Look at you, wow.
0:39:35What is this?
0:39:36Is it a gala for network closets?
0:39:39Are you raising money for your internet connection today or what?
0:39:43Hey!
0:39:44So, listeners to the show won't notice this
0:39:48because I would have done such a fantastic job of cleaning it up.
0:39:51But after we spoke about Steven's internet issues,
0:39:54we have then consistently just lost Steven
0:39:57for massive chunks of the show today.
0:39:59So I can only imagine that he has people raising money for him now.
0:40:04The power's fine. Comcast is just having a real day over here today.
0:40:07That's fair enough.
0:40:08But yeah, you can make your own case.
0:40:10You can upload your own artwork. Took a couple weeks.
0:40:12Boy did you.
0:40:13And boy did I.
0:40:15You made as much of your own case as anybody could make.
0:40:18It's just your face.
0:40:20I think they make like laptop skins and stuff, but I mean that would just be ridiculous.
0:40:24Oh, that would be.
0:40:25So I'm gonna call Casetify cowards until they make this an offering.
0:40:32Like, this is just-
0:40:33- Like a permanent.
0:40:34- That your face is just, you know.
0:40:36You have to sign your likeness away to them,
0:40:37which is a whole other thing, but you'll be fine with that.
0:40:40Don't be cowards, Casetify, sell Steven.
0:40:44- Yeah, I mean, Casetify, if you wanna do
0:40:46some sort of brand partnership, hit me up.
0:40:48- They've done it with SpongeBob,
0:40:49so surely they should do it for you.
0:40:51- Yeah, I'm basically on the same level as SpongeBob.
0:40:53- You are the SpongeBob of tech podcasting.
0:40:57- I don't know what that means.
0:40:59- I don't either. - I don't like it.
0:41:00- I don't know what it means.
0:41:02- It's one of those things, like,
0:41:03I just want people to bring their own feeling to that,
0:41:06like what that means, you know?
0:41:07- You know the ultimate version of this?
0:41:10You know, people who buy fancy cars
0:41:11sometimes have those cars wrapped?
0:41:13- Yes.
0:41:14- Protect it and change the color?
0:41:16What if we did a full car in this artwork?
0:41:18- It'd be incredible.
0:41:20Whoever wants to donate their car to this, let us know.
0:41:25Email Stephen.
0:41:26- If someone donates a car, I will wrap it with this,
0:41:30like, for the podcast-a-thon this fall.
0:41:33You have my solemn word.
0:41:34- Wow, okay. - We just need a car.
0:41:36- A car.
0:41:37- That's assuming there's going to be a fall 2022.
0:41:40- Whoa, hang on a second.
0:41:41Hold on a minute. - Wait, you know, I mean.
0:41:42- Wait, wait, wait, no, I just thought we could go back here.
0:41:45We could take a couple of steps back here.
0:41:48So Stephen said he will wrap a car for the podcast-a-thon.
0:41:53Stephen owns a car.
0:41:56- Well, I mean, it's not fun if it's my car.
0:41:58- Is that a pay car? - Fundraising goal, everyone!
0:42:00All we have to do is reach an amount of money yet to be defined and Steven will wrap his
0:42:04car in an image of his own face.
0:42:06Jill, I know you're out there, Jill.
0:42:08I do not approve.
0:42:10We can do this.
0:42:11This is the thing we can do.
0:42:13We can do this.
0:42:14Together we have the power.
0:42:15Can we call it the daddy car?
0:42:17Yup.
0:42:18Please?
0:42:19We sure can.
0:42:20The daddy mobile.
0:42:21So someone donates a van.
0:42:23We could wrap it.
0:42:28This is totally unrelated, but you know something that bothers me? That I've been paying attention
0:42:36in my life to people who do it. It's the people who, during conversation, they do this thing
0:42:44where they say, as I like to say, and then like you would expect like some original piece
0:42:51of wisdom, right, from them, but then they just say a very common expression.
0:42:55Okay.
0:42:56Well, as I like to say...
0:42:58What made you think of this? What just happened that brought this to your brain?
0:43:01I don't know. You said something and my brain thought of you and your dislike for platitudes,
0:43:08and then I realized that I really wanted to say this on the show, and so I said it. People
0:43:12who liked to act all fancy, so as I like to say, you're like, "Yes, what do you like to
0:43:18say and then they have just a common expression that you've heard hundreds of times some people
0:43:23do that or people that come up with a thing and then just keep referencing it and then like you
0:43:28say it enough that then it seems like everyone agrees about this you know like you know as as we
0:43:34all know this thing i made up i have a very particular example of this that i will share
0:43:41with you later on i'm gonna say it right now but when i say it you'll go yeah i know what you're
0:43:47talking about and everybody else listening out there make up your own mind you know so
0:43:52you're tell us soon but not yet soon but not yet yes but anyway back to the daddy mobile no
0:43:58i'm sure we could find some kind of upholstery company to like make seat covers you know that
0:44:08you're gonna want seat covers just see that's also your face you know so like it's just the
0:44:12the whole thing. Anyway let's bring this this show crashing down to earth and
0:44:16talk about browser market share. Perfect. For some reason someone put this in the
0:44:22document so. I just want to talk about Safari.
0:44:25This is market share? You want to talk about Opera next?
0:44:29It's 2012 and we're gonna talk about browser market share.
0:44:34I use Vivaldi because I'm fancy. Okay. Alright.
0:44:39Come on then. What you gotta say? There's this report by web analytics company
0:44:47Stats Counter. I think they count stats over there.
0:44:50You would like to think so. I mean, hopefully.
0:44:53Trying the name. They'll probably drive around a van covered in graphs.
0:44:58The stats van. If we've learned anything about today.
0:45:00Stats van. So they say that Microsoft Edge is set to
0:45:06to take over Safari as the world's second most popular
0:45:09desktop browser.
0:45:10I have some numbers for you.
0:45:11- Please.
0:45:13- Microsoft Edge is 9.54%, desktop usage worldwide.
0:45:17Safari is 9.84%.
0:45:21Google Chrome, of course, still 65%.
0:45:25Mozilla, Firefox, just over 9%.
0:45:28So it's, they're in there.
0:45:30Are you yawning?
0:45:31Stop yawning.
0:45:32- No, I'm laughing at like the difference, you know?
0:45:34like Microsoft and Safari are fighting it out for 10%,
0:45:39Google is like 65%.
0:45:42- Uh-huh.
0:45:42(laughing)
0:45:43- Yeah, it's a bit of a gap.
0:45:46Obviously a lot of Mac users are using Safari,
0:45:50but not all of them, there's a gap there.
0:45:52- No, I would assume most use Chrome.
0:45:54- I think most of the sorts of users that we know use Chrome,
0:45:59but I think a lot of people just use what's built in.
0:46:01- No, I think that's the exact opposite.
0:46:04- You think so?
0:46:05- I think most people we know are likely to use Safari.
0:46:08I think more regular users who have a Mac
0:46:11'cause they want a Mac, they use the web browser,
0:46:13which is Chrome.
0:46:14- Yeah.
0:46:15- Maybe.
0:46:16- Yeah, okay.
0:46:16- In our circle of people, it's like a badge of shame
0:46:21using Google Chrome, I think.
0:46:23- As someone who has used Chrome on and off,
0:46:25I feel that pain.
0:46:26- Steven's a big Chrome boy.
0:46:28- Not right now, I'm using Safari, but it's not gonna last.
0:46:33Of course on mobile it's different. Safari has 26%, actually it's not that different.
0:46:3826% mobile market share, Chrome has 62%.
0:46:43This really surprised me. I mean obviously I know there's a lot of Android phones.
0:46:47Yeah, Android's way bigger than iOS in the world. In our markets the iPhone is much bigger than it is worldwide.
0:46:55I still would have expected more than 26% I think.
0:46:59Yeah, I guess so.
0:47:01That's a surprise to me.
0:47:02What I thought about in reading this was twofold.
0:47:05A, yes, it does feel like a story
0:47:06we would have covered 15 years ago,
0:47:08but also it's not going to do Safari any favors
0:47:13in terms of the fragmentation we already see
0:47:17where some websites and web apps just don't work in Safari
0:47:21because they're targeting the Chromium engine,
0:47:25which of course powers Chrome,
0:47:27but also powers the new Microsoft Edge.
0:47:29So if you're not familiar with this,
0:47:31couple of years ago, they sort of ripped out their own,
0:47:35their own renderer and put in the
0:47:41render engine from Chrome inside of Edge.
0:47:44There's been two Edges. There was old Edge and new Edge.
0:47:47And old Edge was basically Internet Explorer rebranded.
0:47:50Right. And new Edge. New Edge, which is good.
0:47:54It's like a very good web browser.
0:47:56New Edge.
0:47:57It is. And they do, and they do a lot of cool,
0:47:59like Microsoft-y stuff on top of it.
0:48:00I think a lot of the features are pretty cool.
0:48:02But it's, the story of this doesn't work well in Safari
0:48:07is only going to continue to get worse.
0:48:11And I don't know what Apple can really do about that
0:48:16because you just can't make people care
0:48:19if you have nine or 10 or 16, whatever the number is
0:48:23where you are, percent market share.
0:48:26And it's not really, it's not really gonna go anywhere.
0:48:30it's gonna take a lot to unseat Chrome.
0:48:32It took more than a decade to unseat Internet Explorer.
0:48:37And Apple in part was involved with that
0:48:40because before the split between Blink,
0:48:44which I think is like the new name for the Chromium engine,
0:48:46that and WebKit, it was all the same.
0:48:50And now they're slowly diverging.
0:48:53And especially in areas around media playback
0:48:57and things like, you know,
0:49:00we see a lot just in our corner of the internet with like podcast services,
0:49:04like, Oh, I can record in the browser.
0:49:05Like a bunch of that stuff just doesn't work in Safari because Safari doesn't
0:49:08adopt the same media codex and support that Google's willing
0:49:13to. And I just,
0:49:15I don't see how Apple like begins to counter that.
0:49:20They can't.
0:49:21They,
0:49:22I think it's Apple's responsibility to try their best to make things that work
0:49:27on Chrome work in Safari.
0:49:28You can't counter it with 10% and you're not going to turn that tide.
0:49:33So if Apple genuinely believes in Safari and its security, they need to make it a better
0:49:42experience starting with being completely compatible with everything Chrome is.
0:49:47Outside of that, like they're kind of, you know, look, there's a reason that Chrome extensions
0:49:52now work with Safari because no one's made it Safari extensions.
0:49:55- Well, even then, like you say that,
0:49:57but they still have to run through Xcode in the app store.
0:50:00Like Apple still has put, yeah, still put
0:50:04gatekeeper-y type stuff.
0:50:08And I get it, and I'm sure there are a lot of Chrome
0:50:11exchanges that are capable of bad things,
0:50:13and Apple doesn't want that.
0:50:14I mean, look, if something could see
0:50:15your entire browser history, like that is a security angle.
0:50:19But Apple hasn't really like fully embraced
0:50:23some of the stuff that Chrome has brought.
0:50:26I mean, I would even argue that the interface
0:50:29for extension Safari is like,
0:50:31it like punishes people who want to use a lot of extensions.
0:50:33Like I think it's really bad looking
0:50:35and annoying to manage.
0:50:36- Safari for me right now, we're on a different tangent now.
0:50:39Safari for me right now is the most unreliable
0:50:41piece of software on my Mac.
0:50:43Like I, well, I was referencing earlier
0:50:46about the beach balling when I opened the link.
0:50:48That happens to me like two or three times a day.
0:50:50And the only way out of it
0:50:51is to completely force quit Safari.
0:50:54And I think it is related to tab group syncing.
0:50:58I use tab groups a lot.
0:50:59I've said this before.
0:51:00It's still happening that I'm doing something in a web page,
0:51:05and it just reloads to a previous point in the day
0:51:08and then opens up a bunch of tabs that
0:51:10had otherwise been closed.
0:51:12Or I go to--
0:51:14I pick up my iPhone.
0:51:15I do something on my iPhone.
0:51:16I go to my Mac, and the tabs just aren't correct.
0:51:18and it will maybe load at some point in the next two hours,
0:51:21usually when I'm doing something
0:51:23where I don't want it to do that.
0:51:24Or like I just open a link and Safari Beach Balls.
0:51:27This happens to me all the time.
0:51:29And it's like, you know, I really like the feature
0:51:32and when it works, it's great.
0:51:34But when it doesn't, which is quite a bit,
0:51:37it's really annoying.
0:51:39And it's like this, you know, like, I don't know.
0:51:42It's just like, this is just one of those things
0:51:44where I'm like brought back to like,
0:51:45oh, is Apple good at web services?
0:51:47'cause this is an iCloud syncing problem
0:51:49is what's going on here, right?
0:51:51And I just like, I thought we were over that as a problem.
0:51:54So that's just my aside complaint about Safari
0:51:58'cause we're talking about Safari.
0:52:00- Yeah, well, and the reason that I kind of went back to it
0:52:03on the Mac is that I like having history sync
0:52:08and like tab sync between my iPhone, iPad, and Mac.
0:52:12But the reality is that's been broken for me
0:52:16really sends Monterey.
0:52:17Like my, like sometimes the iCloud tabs are up to date.
0:52:21Like right now they're, I think pretty close.
0:52:25But I very often had times where like the history
0:52:28isn't syncing between the devices.
0:52:32It's like well then what's the point of using
0:52:34what feels like a inferior browser on the Mac
0:52:39with features that don't really line up
0:52:41with how I want to use my Mac in like,
0:52:46like why? And that's sort of the problem in my mind, like one of the problems with Safari
0:52:53is that it is so tied to iCloud. When iCloud stuff is working, those features are really
0:52:58nice. But when they don't, it like damages the reputation of Safari in your mind. And
0:53:05that's just that's like Apple's mo right now is like every thing on your devices is going
0:53:10to talk to iCloud in some way. And most of the time that's great. But when it's not,
0:53:13it hurts that product's reputation.
0:53:16And I think people kind of look at Safari as,
0:53:19you know, it's not as compatible,
0:53:23it's not as, you know,
0:53:25not as like fully featured in some ways that Chrome is
0:53:30and sort of write it off.
0:53:32I mean, clearly the numbers say that,
0:53:33that if whatever the Mac market share is,
0:53:36not everyone's using it,
0:53:37and there are good reasons for that.
0:53:42Federico, I would like your opinions on Edge.
0:53:44- It's not a bad browser.
0:53:47I kind of like it.
0:53:50Now that I'm playing around with Windows for gaming stuff.
0:53:54And you gotta use the Edge, right?
0:53:56It's pre-installed and you gotta download one password
0:53:59and you need to sign into Steam and stuff like that.
0:54:03I've used it a bunch.
0:54:05I like it.
0:54:06I like it better than Chrome.
0:54:08I think it's better designed.
0:54:11There are a few things that I want to call out that I like.
0:54:14The first one, it's a feature that a ton of people either hate or love.
0:54:19I'm in the love camp myself. Vertical tabs. Yes, I am.
0:54:24Vertical tabs. You can use, optionally, a vertical mode for your tabs. And it's cool.
0:54:33It's kind of like having an outline for your open tabs in Edge.
0:54:40I kind of -- yeah, I like it.
0:54:42I use it.
0:54:43I like it.
0:54:44The design of all, like, the settings and the iconography that they use, there's a ton
0:54:50of settings.
0:54:52It's kind of like iCab.
0:54:54There's a ton to choose from in terms of customizing your behavior.
0:54:58And those things that I don't like, like the Start page that has a news feed built in,
0:55:05I dislike those things, because the websites that they promote in those sections are usually
0:55:11kind of spammy blogs and whatnot.
0:55:16But basically, Edge feels like, what if some of the most popular browser extensions were
0:55:23built into the browser itself?
0:55:25Microsoft has been doing some of that, so that's neat.
0:55:28But you can turn it all off if you don't care.
0:55:31And lastly, I like how you sign in
0:55:34with your Microsoft account,
0:55:36and you keep everything synced across devices,
0:55:39including their own versions of tab groups
0:55:44or bookmark folders, but basically edge as collections.
0:55:49So you can create these collections of websites,
0:55:52and you can sync them across devices.
0:55:54So like what Apple has been doing with the tab groups,
0:55:57it's like glorified bookmarks
0:56:00or a way to group related tabs together.
0:56:04So that's neat.
0:56:05I like it, obviously, on iOS and iPadOS,
0:56:08you can now set Edge as your default browser,
0:56:13but you still give up some of the conveniences
0:56:16that you have with Safari.
0:56:17Most of all, you give up the whole shortcuts integration
0:56:22in the share sheet.
0:56:24That's one of the limitations on iOS and iPadOS.
0:56:27When it comes to shortcuts,
0:56:29even simple things like accessing the text selection
0:56:35from a webpage only works with Safari on the iPhone and iPad
0:56:40if you're a shortcuts user.
0:56:41Because other browsers, they cannot expose the,
0:56:44what's it called, the DOM of the webpage.
0:56:47- It's kind of funny, really.
0:56:48It's like, we're gonna make you use our rendering engine.
0:56:52we're not giving you any access to it.
0:56:55- Exactly, I don't really understand.
0:56:57So you can not run JavaScript.
0:56:57- I mean, that sounds like a pre-Apple move.
0:57:00- Yeah, true. - Yes.
0:57:01- True, true. - Yes.
0:57:02But Edge is not terrible.
0:57:05There is a lot of innovation happening.
0:57:09I mean, I make fun of it,
0:57:11but like between Vivaldi and Edge,
0:57:14Opera is doing the, I believe the blockchain stuff,
0:57:17which I find gross, so I don't wanna get into that.
0:57:21What's the other one called...
0:57:22- Vivaldi browser, never heard of this before.
0:57:25- Really?
0:57:26- Yeah. - Oh, it's pretty cool.
0:57:28What Firefox, Firefox, Mozilla,
0:57:31the Mozilla Foundation are doing some really cool things
0:57:33with Firefox.
0:57:34- Brave? - What's the other one?
0:57:37Brave, yes.
0:57:38- And they're sending there that one now,
0:57:40I don't remember the name of it,
0:57:41but there was a Adam Lusogor ad for it, right?
0:57:45Which is where it basically, it's like Xbox streaming,
0:57:49but for web browser.
0:57:50- Oh yeah.
0:57:51- You know what I'm talking about?
0:57:53- No.
0:57:53- Yeah, Amazon used to have a product like that too,
0:57:57called Silk, I think.
0:57:58Where it would basically render your webpage somewhere else
0:58:01and then like load you a view of it.
0:58:03- Yeah.
0:58:04- Maybe the Discord will tell us.
0:58:05- There is also this one that I got into the beta recently,
0:58:09Orion browser, that it's like what,
0:58:12it's like Safari but simpler and faster.
0:58:18Orion is WebKit based and Mac only, which is pretty cool.
0:58:22- And there's that company called the Browser Company,
0:58:24which like, they have an incredible amount of talent
0:58:29working for them, but they have--
0:58:31- And tons of hype around it.
0:58:32- Yeah, but like they haven't shipped anything yet,
0:58:36but like their team is just like an all star team
0:58:40of designers and developers.
0:58:42- Yeah.
0:58:43- They haven't done anything yet, which is fine.
0:58:45And the website is thebrowser.company
0:58:48It's just that
0:58:50It's like having an iPhone case with your face on it
0:58:54Who would do that?
0:58:55No one's told me the name of this one that I was thinking about though
0:59:00Mighty! That's it
0:59:03Mighty
0:59:05This is the one where it does all the rendering as Steven said and then you just see it
0:59:09It's faster Google Chrome
0:59:11Faster than Google Chrome
0:59:1310 times less memory.
0:59:15That's the whole thing.
0:59:17- Oh, so it's streaming Google Chrome?
0:59:20- Yeah.
0:59:21- Huh.
0:59:22(laughing)
0:59:24I mean, these days I can play Halo Infinite
0:59:27streaming from Xbox.
0:59:29I bet you can just as easily and quickly open a webpage
0:59:33and of course it's gonna,
0:59:37not gonna have the memory footprint of Chrome.
0:59:39This is actually genius.
0:59:41- More tabs, less memory.
0:59:42- No man, their hiring page is a Notion page.
0:59:46Come on.
0:59:47That's peak startup right there.
0:59:49- You can stream it, that's why.
0:59:50Because you can stream it,
0:59:51and it's not gonna bring your computer to a halt.
0:59:54- Yeah.
0:59:56- It's a demo.
0:59:56The hiring page is a demo.
0:59:58- I mean, really, isn't loading any webpage
1:00:01just sort of streaming, if you think about it?
1:00:03Like really, what is streaming, dude?
1:00:05- Okay, well, we can get into the whole thing
1:00:08of ownership and what does it,
1:00:11Like if you're looking at a browser, like,
1:00:13(laughing)
1:00:14does it really matter?
1:00:16You know, anyway.
1:00:17- What Federico's saying is we need to decentralize the web.
1:00:20- Mm.
1:00:20- Okay, hear me out. - Pretty sure that's
1:00:21what he means. - Hear me out.
1:00:22- Yeah. - What if instead of apps,
1:00:26you know the blockchain folks,
1:00:27they like to have dapps with decentralized apps?
1:00:32- How is that a thing? - Hear me out.
1:00:33Hear me out.
1:00:34Let's rebrand PWAs,
1:00:39which are terrible name anyway, let's rebrand web apps as Baps.
1:00:44- Daps. - For browser.
1:00:46Baps with a B.
1:00:48- Oh, browser. - For browser apps.
1:00:49Baps. - Browser apps.
1:00:51- Baps. - Baps.
1:00:52- Baps, B-A-P-S, Baps. - Baps.
1:00:54- That is the name of like a bread roll.
1:00:57Yeah, like in some parts of England.
1:00:59- A bap? - Yeah, get like a bacon bap.
1:01:01- Get a bap, governor.
1:01:02- Yep, that's it, you nailed it.
1:01:03A bacon bap would be like a bacon roll, you know,
1:01:05like a bacon bread roll or something, so it'd be pretty fun.
1:01:08You know, a lot of Southern states want to ban PWAs
1:01:12because the word progressive is in the title.
1:01:15I think that's bad.
1:01:16- That's a joke, right?
1:01:18- Yeah.
1:01:19- You should be, this is the thing, right?
1:01:20If Steven was editing, that joke removed.
1:01:24Mic editing, that joke remains.
1:01:26So, you know.
1:01:27- Yeah, connected under mic is like the director's cut
1:01:31of connected, like you get everything.
1:01:32- Release the mic cut of connected.
1:01:34That's what everyone's gonna say now.
1:01:36They're all gonna say it.
1:01:37Like every episode now, it's gonna be like,
1:01:39hashtag release the mic cut of every one of them.
1:01:43It's way riskier.
1:01:44And sometimes, sometimes it goes to black and white
1:01:48and full by three, you know?
1:01:50That's the mic cut.
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1:04:15Display analyst Ross Young has reported that Apple has delayed any plans for a foldable
1:04:20iPhone until at least 2025. According to Young, Apple's not in a hurry to enter the market,
1:04:27presumably waiting on the tech to continue improving. Additionally, Apple is apparently
1:04:33also exploring a foldable notebook, could be a 20 inch screen device, could be a laptop
1:04:38with a full sized keyboard, you know? Like you could fold it like most like 90 degrees
1:04:43and you could use it as like a software keyboard and you can type it but it's all screen. Or
1:04:47you could unfold it completely and you've got like this full screen 4k monitor that
1:04:51you could use with an external keyboard and is expecting, Young is expecting 2026 as the
1:04:56earliest for a product like this if Apple were to do it. I wanted to pose the question
1:05:01to the two of you, which of these two products do you think makes the most sense to do first?
1:05:06The phone. Okay, why?
1:05:12Because I feel like it would resonate with people more, to have an iPhone that is fully
1:05:20like actually foldable. The monitor, like the computer monitor thing, there's a bunch
1:05:28of problems there. Like, I would love, personally, like a foldable iPad that, you know, can be
1:05:38used as a small tablet or a big tablet and I can prop up on a stand or connect with a
1:05:42keyboard or something. But to say that a MacBook is now foldable, which means it doesn't have
1:05:49a physical keyboard attached anymore, I don't know. Because you're taken away from an existing
1:05:56form factor and we know when they tried to do... of course it wasn't like a full-on
1:06:02software keyboard, but the last time they tried to revolutionize the laptop, well,
1:06:07we know how that went. So does it have to be a MacBook? Couldn't it be like
1:06:13something else? Couldn't it be an iPad? I guess maybe use a device where touch
1:06:18first is the starting point. I feel like that would be a better approach. Foldable
1:06:25MacBook scares me. Foldable iPad, because the starting point I'm already used to, that
1:06:33makes me feel better.
1:06:34Yeah, I think probably it is an iPad, right? But it can still be a quote-unquote notebook.
1:06:41You can still use it like a notebook, you know? In a sense. Because you would have it
1:06:47like a laptop, you know, in 90 degrees. You've got the big software keyboard, trackpad, typing
1:06:54in a way over there, you know?
1:06:56So it's like how you have a Magic Keyboard.
1:06:58Stephen, what do you think?
1:07:00- It kind of reminded me of the story
1:07:04that Apple has told.
1:07:05They were like working on what would be the iPad
1:07:09and they realized they could put it in a phone.
1:07:11So like they put the tablet,
1:07:12I think the quote from Jobs is like,
1:07:13they put the tablet project on the shelf
1:07:15and focused on the phone.
1:07:17Maybe that's what's going on here.
1:07:18Maybe it's not.
1:07:19I kind of agree with Federica though.
1:07:21Like I think the iPad is the way to go with this.
1:07:24if you're gonna have something that folds,
1:07:27I think that would be pretty awesome.
1:07:29I just don't see the,
1:07:33like with foldables in particular,
1:07:37I feel like you need to be able to see the benefit
1:07:40of the form factor change.
1:07:43And that makes more sense to me on an iPhone and an iPad
1:07:47than it does a notebook,
1:07:48because notebooks already fold in half.
1:07:51And I just don't like,
1:07:53I don't want that control surface to be glass.
1:07:57And the other component of that is the software, of course.
1:08:02Apple has yet to put a touchscreen on the Mac,
1:08:05but now we're talking about a full,
1:08:07like foldable laptop type thing.
1:08:11If that's gonna run macOS, that doesn't make sense.
1:08:14So I don't know.
1:08:15It is very strange to me that they would release anything
1:08:19that was foldable that wasn't a phone first
1:08:22or maybe an iPad second.
1:08:24I don't know.
1:08:25It's really interesting,
1:08:25but I just don't think a foldable notebook,
1:08:30at least in the way that it's positioned in these stories,
1:08:34I just don't see that making any sense.
1:08:36- I think one of the things I keep struggling with
1:08:41is like what a foldable iPhone would be.
1:08:46because I would say, from my experience,
1:08:49the best foldable phone is the Z Flip.
1:08:53That's the one that makes the most sense.
1:08:55I haven't tried the most recent Z Fold,
1:08:59but still, I kinda like that it's this fun form factor.
1:09:02But I don't really think that a clamshell iPhone
1:09:07is necessarily that intriguing of a device.
1:09:11So I guess it's gotta be some kind of iPhone
1:09:14which is small but can be bigger.
1:09:16And so I actually kind of agree that Apple should hold off a little bit longer.
1:09:21Like, I don't think I would be ultimately that excited with an iPhone that is technically similar to the current Z-folds of the world.
1:09:32Because it's kind of a difficult product to deal with. Federico, do you disagree with me?
1:09:39No, I fully agree with it. I have the fold and it's cool, it's neat, but you never shake that, like,
1:09:49"Oh, it's a neat prototype of something that is going to be much better in the future."
1:09:54Like, you never shake that feeling.
1:09:55You know, I think one of the key things is, like, every 18 months or year or whatever they're releasing these things,
1:10:01they are getting significantly better every time.
1:10:04So I do kind of feel like it's probably best
1:10:07to give it a couple more years,
1:10:09let Samsung keep pushing the envelope
1:10:11for what this technology can do,
1:10:13and then consider doing it.
1:10:15But like I'm just, at the moment,
1:10:17I'm struggling to get my head around what it would be.
1:10:18So like I was wondering, like,
1:10:20would it be simpler to make an iPad device first
1:10:25as a way to get into this market?
1:10:29Because you could almost make it like it's its own thing,
1:10:32You know, like it's rather than necessarily
1:10:35like this is the new iPhone.
1:10:37Cause I think that's going to be complicated.
1:10:38Like I don't really know how they get into that.
1:10:40Like, this isn't like when the iPhone got bigger, you know.
1:10:45When the iPhone got bigger, it was just like, well
1:10:48the iPhone is just now bigger, you know.
1:10:51But the iPhone now being a foldable display,
1:10:54like just from a software perspective,
1:10:55this is a very different thing.
1:10:58And I feel like it would be easier to scale
1:11:00with more of a tablet device than a phone
1:11:03just from like a conceptual standpoint.
1:11:05But I don't know.
1:11:06But I feel like it's just closer there than it is.
1:11:09Like the iPad I feel like could handle this kind of device
1:11:13a bit easier than the iPhone could
1:11:14just from like the way that the software would manipulate.
1:11:18I don't know.
1:11:19I feel like laptops, too complicated.
1:11:21Like I don't think that, you know, as you guys are saying,
1:11:25Mac OS just doesn't feel right for this.
1:11:29I don't think that a glass keyboard is really going to work in place of a physical keyboard,
1:11:40you know?
1:11:41Like, I just think if they were like, here's the new MacBook, it's all screen.
1:11:46Like I don't, I don't know if I know what the benefit of that would be to me, you know,
1:11:52like I can't foresee that.
1:11:53I feel like I want a keyboard if it's going to be a Mac.
1:11:57If it's an iPad, I'll use an onscreen keyboard.
1:11:59We still buy magic keyboards for our iPads
1:12:01'cause physical keyboards are better than glass keyboards
1:12:03for a lot of people most of the time, right?
1:12:07- Yeah, this is very strange to consider it
1:12:09in a laptop form factor to me for all those reasons.
1:12:13I do like what you said about this could be a new thing,
1:12:17right, it could be a new member to the iPad line.
1:12:21And I do think that's just an easier thing to manage
1:12:25as opposed to, hey, there's a new iPhone model.
1:12:29Because we've seen that over the last couple of years.
1:12:31Right now we have the regular iPhone and then the Pro,
1:12:35and then, you know, the different sizes within there.
1:12:38Like, I don't know how much more complex
1:12:40they want the iPhone line to be.
1:12:43And when you consider cost,
1:12:45like no doubt this would be an ex,
1:12:47whatever form factor it's in,
1:12:48this is going to be an expensive device.
1:12:51can the iPhone absorb a $2,000 device,
1:12:56like in the market and the way people think
1:12:58about the iPhone?
1:12:59Maybe the iPad or the Mac could do that easier.
1:13:03The Mac definitely could do it, the easiest of the three.
1:13:05I think there's an angle to that too,
1:13:07of like where does it fit in terms of perception
1:13:09of what this product line is and does,
1:13:14and like who it's for.
1:13:16And I feel like the iPhone, at whatever the Pro Max costs,
1:13:20I mean, you can get it to like 1500 bucks or something.
1:13:23I feel like they're already at the outer limit
1:13:25of what the iPhone can bear in terms of cost.
1:13:30- Well, Samsung would disagree, right?
1:13:33Like they go higher, but I think--
1:13:35- But they also, but Samsung also has multiple lines
1:13:38of phones already.
1:13:39Like we focus a lot on the Galaxy line, the Galaxy S,
1:13:42but there's also the A series of phones.
1:13:45Like they have a broader portfolio than Apple does.
1:13:50even though those other phones may not be as popular
1:13:52here in the US.
1:13:53- Yep, I agree with you.
1:13:54But like to your point,
1:13:57if this is gonna be your first,
1:13:59like whenever they do their first foldable device, right?
1:14:02If you make it an iPhone,
1:14:04there's so much expectation that goes along with that
1:14:06for like refreshing the product.
1:14:09Like will there be a new foldable iPhone every year?
1:14:14Or like what if it doesn't work out
1:14:15and now you've made an iPhone
1:14:17and you have to stop making that iPhone?
1:14:19where I feel like with an iPad,
1:14:21if they did some kind of foldable screen to iPad,
1:14:24- Yeah.
1:14:25- You get like, you could be two, three years
1:14:27before you bring out a next model, if at all.
1:14:30I feel like there's so much more pressure
1:14:32to add to the iPhone line,
1:14:35iPhone mini notwithstanding,
1:14:37than it is to the iPad line.
1:14:40- Yeah, yeah, I think that's another angle here.
1:14:42An iPhone that's one and done,
1:14:45that's a pretty bad look.
1:14:48and one that I don't think I don't think they would want to risk that.
1:14:51And, you know.
1:14:55Not to bring up painful memories for people,
1:14:57but like Apple is sort of still recovering in the Mac line,
1:15:01at least from some products like that, right? The.
1:15:03Obviously, the trash can, but the the one port MacBook,
1:15:09like they had what three visions of that and it's gone.
1:15:11They kind of just got the Mac house back in order after six or seven years
1:15:18of really some like pretty bad decision making.
1:15:23And I would imagine that moving forward,
1:15:28that I would hope that if you're like bring,
1:15:32working on new products in inside Apple,
1:15:36you have to prove that there is a feasible roadmap forward
1:15:40for the next couple of revisions, right?
1:15:42So like when they, for instance,
1:15:44then they built that 24 inch iMac mic
1:15:46that you're sitting in front of right now,
1:15:47gorgeous machine, super thin.
1:15:49I'm sure that they know that that thing can take an M2
1:15:54and an M3 and maybe even further down the road, right?
1:15:58They didn't design it so constrained
1:16:00to what they have available now,
1:16:01they couldn't upgrade it in the future.
1:16:03And something that's a new form factor,
1:16:07like I've just got to imagine that's a bigger conversation
1:16:09than it used to be.
1:16:10And that has to be a conversation in these things
1:16:13because this form factor is so weird that,
1:16:16Yeah, we need to know that this is something we can actually support and improve upon year
1:16:20after year or every 18 months or whatever it is and not just be like, Oh, we did it
1:16:24once and it didn't work out and now we're stuck.
1:16:28And we're not going to see anything even remotely like this before they put a touchscreen on
1:16:33a regular Mac anyway, like this isn't going to be a Mac until the Mac gets a touchscreen.
1:16:38Can you imagine if like they refuse to put touchscreens on a Mac until it's all touchscreen?
1:16:44and then like that's still the only one.
1:16:46- Or it's a, or even worse,
1:16:50the half that has the keyboard and trackpad is touch,
1:16:53and it's like locked to that half of the screen,
1:16:56but the UI part is like, nope, can't touch that part.
1:16:59- Oh no.
1:17:00- That'd be amazing.
1:17:02That would be terrible.
1:17:03They should not, they should not do that.
1:17:05There's no, I mean, I would be really surprised
1:17:07at the first foldable thing we see
1:17:09as like a Mac OS notebook.
1:17:10That just makes, that makes no sense to me whatsoever.
1:17:13No, I don't think it will be.
1:17:15I really don't.
1:17:16No.
1:17:17That doesn't make any sense.
1:17:18Yeah.
1:17:18Sorry, Ross Young.
1:17:20Yeah, I guess, yeah, I guess Ross Young is our enemy now.
1:17:25Yep.
1:17:26You, Ross, you are enemy of the podcast.
1:17:28Wow.
1:17:29So we did a whole premise and yeah, that's it.
1:17:34Well, I think that does it for this week.
1:17:35If you want to read more about the stuff we spoke about,
1:17:39the awesome connectedintro.com, Spotify stuff,
1:17:43my iPhone case, anything.
1:17:44All the links are over in the show notes
1:17:46at relay.fm/connected/386.
1:17:50Ah, we should have talked about the Intel processor.
1:17:53It's not Flashback. - Oh yeah.
1:17:54I can't believe I didn't think of that.
1:17:56- I believe we didn't think about that.
1:17:59Well, in 100 episodes, we'll hit the 486.
1:18:01How about that?
1:18:02- Can't wait.
1:18:03- You're gonna leave that in, aren't you?
1:18:06- Well, yeah.
1:18:06This is your essence. - Thank you for having
1:18:09me this week.
1:18:10- Like, this is who you are, is this kind of stuff.
1:18:12Would you have taken that out?
1:18:14No, I would have, no, I would have let that in.
1:18:18You would have put into a laugh track though, right?
1:18:21You know I did a laugh track last week.
1:18:23Did you?
1:18:24It was great.
1:18:25After one joke.
1:18:26What joke?
1:18:27I think I did it after, I'm trying to remember.
1:18:31I think I did it after I suggested I use a laugh track
1:18:33and y'all didn't laugh.
1:18:34And then I like put the laugh track in there.
1:18:36Wow.
1:18:37There's a lot of laugh sound effects that come in logic.
1:18:41Yeah, they're horrible.
1:18:42Yeah, they're all really bad.
1:18:44Yeah, they're horrible.
1:18:44And the Cheerin' ones, yeah.
1:18:47If I've ever used stuff like that,
1:18:48I'd buy them because they're terrible.
1:18:50Yeah, the Free Ones are always bad.
1:18:51It's always funny to me when I hear like an iLife
1:18:54or Logic sound effect in a TV show or a movie.
1:18:57Mm-hmm.
1:18:57Really, was there no budget for this?
1:19:00Yeah, or like your theme song is a GarageBand loop.
1:19:02Yep.
1:19:03We've all been there.
1:19:05Anyways, all the links are in the show notes.
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1:19:25This week in the Pro Show,
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1:19:53And he is the editor and chief of maxstories.net
1:19:56and is enjoying some sort of video game stuff.
1:20:00I saw a screenshot earlier of some sort of game happening.
1:20:03So that was cool, I guess.
1:20:05That was a PlayStation video game, Steven.
1:20:08That's a bunch of people are praying right now.
1:20:11Some video game stuff.
1:20:13Some kind of video game that the kids--
1:20:15Some sort of--
1:20:16I'm enjoying some sort of game thing at the moment.
1:20:21Okay, well good.
1:20:22It's called the Horizon on the PlayStation,
1:20:25you know, kids these days, these PlayStations.
1:20:29Playing their arcade games at home.
1:20:31Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:20:33You can follow Myke on Twitter.
1:20:35He is I-M-Y-K-E.
1:20:37Myke hosts a bunch of other shows here on Relay FM.
1:20:40Myke, what do you have going on this week?
1:20:42- Let me look at my camera.
1:20:43- Cortex was really good.
1:20:46- Oh yeah, you should check that out.
1:20:47Yeah, that was good.
1:20:49I never liked this question because I feel like
1:20:52I have to like say things that I've done that I like
1:20:56and that makes me feel very uncomfortable to do.
1:21:00- So the question feels taller than you.
1:21:02- The question is definitely taller than me.
1:21:04There's no doubt about that.
1:21:06- You can follow me on Twitter as ISMH
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