380: Light, Fog, Aroma


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00:00:02   - Hello and welcome to Connected, episode 380.

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00:00:17   I am your annual chairman, Steven Hackett,

00:00:20   and I am joined by two other people.

00:00:24   Hello, Federico Vittucci.

00:00:26   - Hello, but was that necessary?

00:00:28   like that sort of like you are the chairman and we are two other people.

00:00:32   I'm trying to figure out, you know, how it,

00:00:35   how it is my first time being annual chairman. So, oh yeah.

00:00:38   You're doing a good job. Thank you. I'm also joined by Myke Hurley.

00:00:42   You failed as your first role

00:00:47   as annual chairman. Like your first thing,

00:00:50   your first thing as annual chairman was to begin the closing ceremonies and you

00:00:56   Didn't even do it

00:00:58   So I'm not even sure at this point if the past Ricky's can even count if we did not follow

00:01:06   The bill of Ricky's to its end the bill of Ricky's

00:01:10   Was not completed in the bill of Ricky's it states that there must be a closing ceremonies

00:01:15   We did not do that last time

00:01:17   So I'm not sure if we can hold on to the result of you actually being annual chairman at this point

00:01:23   We may need to take it away from you. I mean maybe get some friends together

00:01:27   Mm-hmm in some sort of crowd we're gonna come on down say hi and try to stop me. I

00:01:33   Think you've twisted history a little bit here, but she'll yeah, I mean it's January it's the time of year for it

00:01:40   So we are yes, we were apologetic about this. It was the first time we're gonna have the clue

00:01:45   I don't whoa. Whoa, I don't apologize

00:01:47   I noticed it and you didn't I said it you didn't notice it until after

00:01:52   The show was done, but it's also not my job. You know, is it my job though?

00:01:55   You you read it that's it that's right and you were the annual chairman

00:02:03   So I feel like it's kind of your responsibility to make sure the closing center because my tricky is sitting here

00:02:08   And I'm still the annual chairman according to my trick chain

00:02:12   Change let's change our trophy. Well, are we doing the closing ceremonies now? Is that what you're saying? Yes right now

00:02:20   Yeah, but my trophies in the other room

00:02:22   So say said we can't even do the closing ceremony and your your mag tricky still in a box in the UPS warehouse

00:02:28   Yeah, so you know what? I'm gonna do something if someone out there works for UPS and can help us with this

00:02:34   Send me an email

00:02:36   because

00:02:37   We can't figure it out

00:02:39   Filled out paperwork. We have both

00:02:41   But I've still gonna do UPS on the phone twice about this and it's just sitting in a warehouse that gets scanned every morning at between

00:02:48   10 30 and 11 a.m. and Parcel's like hey we have a warehouse scan but it never

00:02:54   goes out for delivery and I don't understand why.

00:02:57   All right I can confirm I've changed my tricky. I would like to bring a I have

00:03:02   thought today. Mm-hmm okay just one. So one thought for the entire day but I

00:03:08   think it's a good one we'll find out if it isn't and my day has been a complete

00:03:11   write-off. So we were changing the time by the way if you listen live to the

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00:03:36   than we usually do which I think is 1130 Eastern time Eastern US time is 1230

00:03:43   Eastern 1130 central anyway so when we were talking about this Steven said as

00:03:48   annual chairman I'll allow it which was a very funny haha joke but it did make

00:03:55   me think about something no I don't know what this means yet but I just want to

00:03:58   put this on the like you know just want to put this out there and this is the

00:04:03   thought this is the thought yeah should we stand up if you want to I don't think

00:04:08   necessary. Should the annual chairman have some kind of special presiding

00:04:13   control over the show for that time? It's a slippery slope toward... yep you know.

00:04:20   So the annual chairman can make decisions about the show through the

00:04:28   time that they hold their chairmanship. This is something I'm putting out. I

00:04:33   I think chaos could ensue in a good way and a bad way, but all entertaining.

00:04:39   That is the suggestion that I will make to the group.

00:04:44   That is my one thought for the day. What do you think?

00:04:47   I'm okay with it this year as a trial.

00:04:49   Well, yeah, you would be.

00:04:50   But maybe we don't do it next year.

00:04:52   Nope. Doesn't look like that.

00:04:54   If we do it, we do it. It goes into the bill and then we do it.

00:04:59   What if... okay let's make it a bit more fun, a bit more like a game.

00:05:05   Whoa, hang on. That's unfair to say. I may have suggested something really fun.

00:05:11   Hold on. What if you can do it but you gotta choose wisely because you can only do it once?

00:05:20   Ooh, you get to make one change to the show a year. I like it, yes.

00:05:26   You can pick like a destructive change.

00:05:30   Maybe you gotta choose wisely because you gotta pick maybe the appropriate time,

00:05:35   you know, of the year.

00:05:37   Like you can play this strategically, I think.

00:05:41   So I would, if Steven agrees,

00:05:44   I would recommend that we make an unprecedented off-schedule change

00:05:50   to the Bill of Rickeys.

00:05:51   Ooh.

00:05:52   Well, I think I'm the only one who has power.

00:05:53   Well, I mean—

00:05:54   don't I have to decide that could be my one thing we have off cycle rule changes

00:05:58   no I don't well I mean that could be your thing but we you can't make that

00:06:01   decision before you've right because you can't write your act that's like we're

00:06:05   in a time loop you can't make that decision and put it in until did it

00:06:11   right you can't my brains breaking now you see because we'd have to do it right

00:06:16   which would be the off-schedule change so you can't say that my rule is I will

00:06:20   make an off-schedule change because we can't make this a rule until we've made the off-schedule

00:06:25   change to the Bill of Rickeys.

00:06:27   No, you lost me. You lost me a while back.

00:06:29   This is an infinite loop problem. Okay, so I'm saying we would have to do something unprecedented

00:06:34   here and allow for a change to the bill when we're not doing the Rickeys. Stephen said,

00:06:40   what if that's the thing that I change? Well, he can't change it unless we've already changed

00:06:46   it.

00:06:47   allows for recursion to like it cannot be a recursive change where you allow

00:06:52   that exactly therefore you see one change allows for more changes right

00:06:58   because the thing is you can't make this decision until we've already put it in

00:07:04   the bill can my one change be we never talk about this again yeah it's

00:07:09   basically what it's it's what James is saying in the discord you cannot wish

00:07:14   for infinite wishes. So what we have to do, okay, this is what we have to, we, well, yeah,

00:07:23   we have to make a decision if we're going to do this, if we're going to do this, we

00:07:29   have to agree that on this one occasion we're going to retroactively change the bill of

00:07:33   rickies, right? To allow Steven to do this. And it should be that the annual chairman

00:07:39   gets to make one change to the show

00:07:42   over the course of the year,

00:07:43   the one change they're definitely not allowed to make

00:07:46   is that they can make infinite changes.

00:07:48   - My one change is that Myke edits the show from now on.

00:07:51   - I mean, you can do that,

00:07:52   but then the quality of the show declines.

00:07:54   Because if, you see, you see, this is the issue.

00:07:57   If you say Myke edits the show now,

00:07:59   Myke won't edit the show.

00:08:01   - Okay, I like the idea that the annual chairman

00:08:04   gets something in addition to the title

00:08:06   and the Twitter account.

00:08:08   - Yeah.

00:08:08   My thought was, when you said this,

00:08:11   is that what if that is some sort of special status

00:08:16   for the rest of the rookies throughout the year?

00:08:20   So I'm not suggesting this, but as an example,

00:08:22   I think that's easy to follow.

00:08:24   One of the rules is, picks cannot be reused

00:08:26   within 365 days of first being made.

00:08:30   What if the annual chairman is exempt for that

00:08:32   when they are annual chairman, as an example?

00:08:34   - Right, so see, here's the thing, right?

00:08:37   this is the thing you would like to see,

00:08:39   hence why my idea is the best one.

00:08:42   Because as annual chairman,

00:08:44   that's just the decision you make.

00:08:47   And then that gets added into

00:08:49   what would become an infinitely long bill of Ricky's

00:08:54   over time, which I also really love.

00:08:56   - But what kind of change isn't infinite?

00:08:59   - No, no, no, so what I'm saying is,

00:09:00   if you're telling me right now,

00:09:02   oh, the thing I would like is this,

00:09:05   this is what I think the annual chairman should get.

00:09:08   Well, that's what you have chosen.

00:09:09   And then if I win it, then I make my own choice.

00:09:12   And then if Federico wins it, he makes his own choice.

00:09:15   - Isn't that the point?

00:09:16   - Okay, well, okay, so what if annual chairman

00:09:20   can make one change?

00:09:22   The one change only lasts through the next annual chairman.

00:09:27   - You see, I want it to go all the time

00:09:30   'cause I just want the rules to get longer and longer.

00:09:32   - But it becomes impossible to follow.

00:09:35   But that's the point. It becomes a rules game, which it already is anyway.

00:09:38   But it gets out of hand. Yeah,

00:09:41   we need to think about this some more because it gets out of hand fast.

00:09:44   So what if, okay, Stephen is the annual chairman and Stephen says,

00:09:48   now all picks must start with the letter B,

00:09:52   for example. Okay. And that's one rule for 2022.

00:09:58   And then next year, Myke is the annual chairman and says, okay,

00:10:04   So my one amendment to the bill of riches is disregard what the previous chairman said now all picks must start with the letter F

00:10:12   Yeah, that's good, but it goes on forever. It's I don't think it

00:10:16   Yeah, but no but now it's just F. We don't have to worry about B because my decision changes his decision

00:10:21   Hmm, I think we need to think on this some more all I really wanted to bring to the show

00:10:25   Which I'm happy about is that the two of you agree that there could be something fun about giving the annual chairman some kind of power

00:10:31   So I think there should be something but there should be rules for that something.

00:10:36   I mean, of course.

00:10:38   Because like I feel like there should be some like

00:10:41   tentpole

00:10:44   rules that cannot be touched.

00:10:46   Like you cannot say, "Oh now I decide the Ricky, you know, gives you five points."

00:10:52   Oh, that's good though.

00:10:54   That part of the rule...

00:10:56   No, that part of the rules you cannot change.

00:10:59   Like, there are some untouchable rules.

00:11:01   You know what? I'll tell you why you're right there, because...

00:11:04   And now I'm thinking this through in my head, I'm gaming it through, right?

00:11:07   If you get the whole year to make your decision, and you've got one point right,

00:11:11   and you're the annual chairman, and you're like,

00:11:13   "If whoever scores in round two gets 20 points..."

00:11:16   Like, what if my rule is, in 2022, I win every game?

00:11:21   Okay, well...

00:11:23   I mean, what we could do is, like, we could say,

00:11:26   any change cannot be in contradiction of points one through x of the bill of rickys right so like

00:11:33   the bill is set in stone we could do that or we could form an official connected committee

00:11:40   that needs to approve like a senate that needs to approve the amendment god this is so much

00:11:48   greater than i ever could have imagined when i brought it see i told you it was a good idea

00:11:52   Alright, I don't know when we're gonna actually work out what this is, but I guess it needs to be at some point relatively soon.

00:11:59   Maybe one of the benefits, see I'm thinking this as a businessman,

00:12:05   maybe one of the benefits of connected pro is that you join Discord, right?

00:12:10   So the connected committee or senate or council, whatever you want to call it, is only for members of the Discord, right?

00:12:18   So you got, you know, you got that fancy upsell going on for the membership.

00:12:23   And, you know, we can figure it out. Maybe. Just an idea. Just an idea.

00:12:28   I'm into it.

00:12:28   Oh, the House of Rikis is a good name, Joel, from the Discord.

00:12:33   The House of Rikis.

00:12:34   The House of Rikis is very good.

00:12:35   Follow up.

00:12:36   We haven't really come to any kind of decision on this, have we?

00:12:39   No, we're just going to come back to it later.

00:12:41   Okay.

00:12:43   "Hey Jared" on Twitter amongst other people sent in a note

00:12:46   that there is indeed a link to the ringtone store

00:12:51   within the settings app when you go into selective ringtone.

00:12:53   So the store's not in there, but a link is there.

00:12:56   And we were talking about,

00:12:57   well, if the iTunes store goes away,

00:13:01   where do they put ringtones?

00:13:03   There's already some precedent that you could put

00:13:06   commerce inside the settings app.

00:13:08   - Well, it's just a link right now.

00:13:09   - So there was something.

00:13:11   - And of course there already is,

00:13:12   actually I just thought about it as I said that there already is commerce in

00:13:15   the settings app because you can buy more iCloud storage. So very good point.

00:13:18   Apple wants you to buy things wherever you go. Commerce all over the place.

00:13:22   We spoke also about Spotify HiFi,

00:13:26   which is or was hard to say,

00:13:30   Spotify's program to roll out lossless music to its

00:13:35   catalog.

00:13:36   And there's a quote here from just last week where Spotify was asked about this

00:13:41   And they say, "We're excited to deliver

00:13:44   "a Spotify HiFi experience to premium users in the future,

00:13:49   "but we don't have timing details to share yet."

00:13:53   - Yeah, they're not gonna do it.

00:13:55   I just wonder if maybe Apple entering this space

00:14:03   was a problem for Spotify.

00:14:04   Maybe Spotify were not expecting Apple

00:14:06   to just roll it out for free

00:14:08   as part of your regular subscription.

00:14:10   and they had to deprioritize Spotify HiFi

00:14:15   because now it's sort of expected

00:14:17   that your base regular subscription

00:14:20   also gives you access to lossless and high-risk lossless.

00:14:23   I don't know.

00:14:24   - Maybe it's like to them, this was only worthwhile

00:14:27   if they could charge more money for it.

00:14:29   And now they can't, so now it's not really worth it.

00:14:32   Not good for Stephen's annual Ricky.

00:14:35   Apple to allow alternative payments in South Korea.

00:14:39   So this is the thing we spoke about where there was a South Korean ruling and Google was like,

00:14:44   "Okay, we're going to allow for third-party payments, but we're still going to get our cut."

00:14:49   And so like, "Oh, you can use this thing, but we're still going to take,

00:14:53   we're going to ask you to give us 25% of what would have been the purchase price."

00:14:57   Apple, where they had previously just said, "We are already compliant," which is something we

00:15:03   mentioned before, which is very funny. They have now filed that they are going to be allowing

00:15:09   for this and that they will still seek their commission. So we'll see what this looks like,

00:15:15   but I'm wondering if this could be like what they just do everywhere. And if it is, unfortunately

00:15:23   Steven would not get his annual Ricky in that because this would have been a change forced

00:15:27   by law.

00:15:28   Well, the case is only applicable to South Korea. So if they change this in the US or

00:15:35   the UK...

00:15:36   No, see I would say because if they use the same system, then this is a system they only

00:15:42   create because of the South Korean law.

00:15:44   We will argue about that in December.

00:15:45   We can, but I feel like I'm pretty set on that.

00:15:47   But you know, we can see how that goes for you.

00:15:50   Federico, can I get your initial ruling on this point?

00:15:53   Let me, where's the exact text?

00:15:56   Okay, yeah.

00:15:58   I'll read the Ricky for you.

00:16:00   Apple, not in direct response to a legal case, will allow developers to use payment methods

00:16:04   outside of the app store. There literally is a legal case in South Korea. That has no

00:16:11   impact whatsoever on American law. But if it was just wholesale the same thing, like

00:16:16   if whatever they did in South Korea, they did it everywhere. Well it was always going

00:16:18   to be the same thing. My pick is about does a judge make them do it or not. Well there

00:16:23   was a judge. We'll argue about it next year. Yeah, I can't wait. I'll prove you wrong.

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00:17:57   world and for supporting connected and all of relay FM wordle it sounds like a

00:18:01   Pokemon that that throws a book at you I love it today was the first day that I

00:18:08   failed the wordle since I started playing really yeah well okay very

00:18:14   slight spoilers for today's wordle us UK spelling killed me ah yes yeah I never

00:18:20   would have I never would have conceived of that word but you've been you've been

00:18:24   Americanized at this point? Yeah, but with those kinds of things I never change to American.

00:18:29   Ah, okay, interesting. Right? Okay. Spelling is still a thing that stays with me. Yeah,

00:18:35   he puts "use" in words all over the place. Because that's where they belong, you know?

00:18:39   Well, what's the expression? There's British English and there's mistakes. Is that the

00:18:44   expression? Is that the thing you say? Anyway. Please send email to Casey. Our English is just

00:18:51   English and then there's American English no one cares okay so so you you

00:18:57   lost it wordle today I lost it wordle today but nevertheless there was like a

00:19:02   thing in the last 24 hours of a bunch of clone apps started appearing in the app

00:19:06   store of course by the way I am surprised there isn't an actual wordle

00:19:10   app I know that the the developer wanted it to be on the web but I feel like like

00:19:14   you know I would like it as an app more than I want it as a tablet so far is it

00:19:18   - Not an app, I haven't played it.

00:19:19   - No, it's just a web thing.

00:19:21   - Okay.

00:19:22   - Some websites started reporting on this

00:19:24   and then all the clone apps got removed within 24 hours.

00:19:28   One of the things, main reasons I wanted to bring this up

00:19:31   is I actually really liked your one sentence

00:19:34   in your link article on this, Steven,

00:19:35   which is if only Apple ran some sort of program

00:19:37   to approve apps before they appeared on the store.

00:19:40   (laughing)

00:19:41   And we've mentioned this in the past,

00:19:43   which is like it feels like this was obviously

00:19:47   going to happen, right? So shouldn't Apple know this and be on the lookout for it?

00:19:53   Like, shouldn't there be some kind of rule sent to the App Store approval team

00:19:57   to be like, "There's going to be clones of this thing called Wordle. Before we

00:20:03   approve anything, we need to confirm that it's the creator." Because you could say,

00:20:08   "Why should Apple do that?" But then, "Why did they remove all the clone apps then?"

00:20:13   Right, like that's the problem, right? You can either allow it or not allow it, but

00:20:17   But if you decide not to allow it, then you shouldn't approve it in the first place.

00:20:21   And it's one of those things too, like, it doesn't even need to be like a memo from Phil

00:20:24   Schiller from above, like, just be plugged in with what's popular, right?

00:20:29   Don't they have thousands of people working editorial?

00:20:31   They know, they know.

00:20:32   There's no way they wouldn't know, right?

00:20:35   Like this is the thing right now, it's taking over the internet, right?

00:20:38   Like it's a thing, it's the hot game at the moment.

00:20:42   So you're saying they do know that and they let clones in?

00:20:46   I think they do know that but they don't bother to create some kind of rule.

00:20:52   That's how it seems to me from the outside.

00:20:54   Like that there isn't this thing where they're creating like here's a list of properties

00:20:58   that you should not be allowing through.

00:21:02   Unless I don't know it's like some large company because you know like I bet like there aren't

00:21:06   clones of Disney games getting in the store right?

00:21:08   You know what I mean?

00:21:09   I want to go back a second because James is smacking me around in the discord.

00:21:12   I think this is an area where editorial and review

00:21:15   should talk to each other.

00:21:16   Like editorial knows what's popular.

00:21:19   They do all of this work to surface things to the top.

00:21:23   And even, after editorial sometimes puts clones

00:21:26   front and center, that happened a couple of months ago.

00:21:28   I forget the details, but there was some knockoff app

00:21:30   that they blessed with editorial focus

00:21:33   instead of the real one.

00:21:35   And how are you not in tune?

00:21:37   Either you're not in tune with what's going on

00:21:39   out in the world, which is bad,

00:21:40   or you are, and it is like, Myke,

00:21:42   like what you say where they just can't be bothered.

00:21:44   Neither one of those is good, right?

00:21:47   I'm not sure which one is worse actually,

00:21:50   but it's gotta be so frustrating to build something

00:21:54   and you get that lightning strike of it being uber popular

00:21:58   and then a bunch of people come in and rip you off.

00:22:02   - And it's like, I just,

00:22:03   it's just one of those things where it's like,

00:22:05   all of this would be fine

00:22:06   if they also weren't trying to take your 30%.

00:22:08   Like, isn't this the point of the 30%?

00:22:11   And I bring things like this up to just underscore my issue

00:22:16   with Apple taking the cut, right?

00:22:18   Which is like, this is one of the things

00:22:20   that is supposed to not happen

00:22:23   because they take the money from developers.

00:22:25   And there's always going to be issues,

00:22:29   there's always gonna be edge cases.

00:22:31   Wordle doesn't really feel like there should have been one.

00:22:34   Because it's not like it was a small indie game

00:22:37   that 20 people have heard of.

00:22:40   or like so Jambo in the Discord, number four on the Mac

00:22:44   is a game called MultiCraft Build a Mine,

00:22:47   Creative Survival Multiplayer,

00:22:49   and the icon is the Minecraft icon.

00:22:51   - Ridiculous.

00:22:52   - But I can see what that is, you know?

00:22:55   I don't know.

00:22:56   Anyway, obviously Steven's not playing Wurdle

00:22:59   and has decided that Wurdle's bad

00:23:01   even having never played it, just like an old man.

00:23:04   - I muted the little green square emoji on Twitter,

00:23:06   so I don't have to see all your scores.

00:23:07   What I appreciate is you didn't tweet about that.

00:23:10   - Well, how would I?

00:23:11   I wouldn't see my own tweet 'cause I muted it.

00:23:13   - But I find that quite frustrating

00:23:15   when people were like, "Oh, I've muted Wordle,"

00:23:18   and they tweet about it.

00:23:19   It's like you are actually creating a new problem

00:23:21   of your own, which is worse.

00:23:22   - Exactly.

00:23:23   It's like, why do you hate fun?

00:23:26   Like it's-

00:23:27   - Like, let people enjoy what they want to enjoy.

00:23:28   You don't, so you're not so clever

00:23:30   because you've muted it.

00:23:31   - I'm so intellectual.

00:23:33   I despise games.

00:23:35   - I did something worse than tweet it.

00:23:37   I said it on a podcast.

00:23:38   - Yeah, that is kind of worse.

00:23:39   - That is worse.

00:23:40   - Steven only plays the New York Times crossword.

00:23:43   I mean, like a real intellectual.

00:23:45   - You only play backgammon, like,

00:23:49   you know, like in the middle ages or something.

00:23:52   - Chess only.

00:23:54   (laughing)

00:23:54   - Chess only?

00:23:55   (laughing)

00:23:58   - But Federico, I really liked your wordle shortcut

00:24:03   that you put out today.

00:24:05   It's nice.

00:24:06   Thank you, thank you. Yeah, that was a... I had this idea for like, you know, it's...

00:24:11   These tweets that you've seen on Twitter with the emoji, with the green and yellow emoji,

00:24:16   they are, you know, they're super on brand, very iconic already for World,

00:24:21   because they match what you see in the...

00:24:24   Yeah, that is 100% purely how it became popular, was because of the tweets.

00:24:28   Exactly, it's like, "Hey, what's this thing?"

00:24:29   "What is this thing?" Everyone's had this moment in the last month where they're like,

00:24:34   What is this thing? And then they go find out and play.

00:24:36   Something that was bothering me about that was that, you know, anything that is very heavy on

00:24:43   emoji use is not, you know, by definition it's not accessible because like there's no text,

00:24:49   like you cannot, you know, emoji are just, you know, little images basically. They're not images

00:24:55   but you get the point. And I also wonder like can I make something here that like scores your

00:25:03   results contextually to each line of the game. And so I put together this shortcut like last

00:25:10   night and I shared it today. It's called Warrelbot. And it basically scores each line of a completed

00:25:18   game. If you fail the game like Myke did today, the shortcut will not work. I assume...

00:25:25   Why would you share it? I assume why would you... I mean, you know, if you want to be,

00:25:30   "Hey, look how much I suck at this word game!"

00:25:32   I mean, you could do that, but it only works for successful results.

00:25:38   But basically, it will count the...

00:25:42   It will score each line by counting the yellow emoji and the green emoji.

00:25:47   So it'll tell you how many correct letters in the wrong spot and how many perfect letters

00:25:53   you have on each line.

00:25:55   And when the game is completed, it'll say "Wartle completed on line 4" or something.

00:26:01   It's a fun example of how you can take something simple and change it slightly in a way that

00:26:06   looks simple.

00:26:08   If you take a look at what WartleBot produces, it looks simple enough, but actually behind

00:26:13   the scenes there's a bunch of things going on.

00:26:15   There's multiple regular expressions, for example, that match the text that you take

00:26:22   from Wordle, and they use different capturing groups to isolate different portions of the

00:26:27   text. It's very, like, it's kind of involved, technically speaking, but you never know it,

00:26:33   you never see it. And that's the sort of the beauty of user automation, in my opinion.

00:26:37   Like when you take something simple, you do a bunch of complicated things to it, and the

00:26:42   result saves you time, looks simple, but actually behind the scenes there's a bunch of things

00:26:48   going on. And it's very easy to use, you can keep playing Wordle as always. When you hit the

00:26:55   "Share" button, and if you have My Shortcut installed, you will see Wordle.bot in the

00:27:00   "Share" sheet. You just press that, and it does everything for you. And it keeps the original

00:27:05   score, like the first line of text, it keeps the original emoji arrangement, but on each line it

00:27:12   It also tells you stuff like "one partial" and "two perfect" or like "three perfect"

00:27:18   and nothing else.

00:27:20   It does all of that for you automatically, copies that to the clipboard, and you can

00:27:25   paste that on Twitter, iMessage, whatever.

00:27:28   So it was a fun experiment.

00:27:31   And it also works on the Mac, even though there's no support for shortcuts on the Mac.

00:27:37   If you play Word Roll on the Mac, you can just copy the Word Roll results to the clipboard,

00:27:43   and then run the shortcut manually from the shortcuts app or from the menu bar, and it

00:27:48   will still work.

00:27:50   Very nice.

00:27:51   Something that's not very nice, the Photos widget on iOS 15.

00:27:57   Stephen, what is your problem with the Photos widget?

00:28:00   So many problems.

00:28:01   So this kind of came back to mind for me.

00:28:04   was a someone who was at the Capitol last year and the photos widget put together a memory of

00:28:15   like being attacked by an angry mob with like a little jingle over it. It's bad right? It's the

00:28:23   music that really sells it as a failure. Yeah if you haven't seen the Slate article go check it out.

00:28:29   And I know we've talked about this in the past in the context of,

00:28:32   "Hey, it'd be really nice if I could say,

00:28:35   'You know what, I don't want to see photos of my ex in my photo widget.'"

00:28:39   Yeah, there's probably some in my photo library,

00:28:41   but I'd rather not be reminded on the home screen of my iPad of that relationship.

00:28:46   We spoke about that a long time ago.

00:28:47   Can I just interrupt for one second, because this is very funny,

00:28:50   and I think you'll enjoy this.

00:28:51   So the article on Slate says,

00:28:54   "Thanks for the Gen 6 memories, Apple Photos app."

00:28:57   but we have a bookmark that @reley_fm in it.

00:28:59   Like, what is it grabbing from to put the title?

00:29:02   Is it like the title of the page,

00:29:03   therefore the original title of the article, right?

00:29:06   - The HTML title, yeah.

00:29:08   - Which is "Jan 6 Memories,

00:29:09   Apple Made Me a Slideshow of the Insurrection."

00:29:12   - That's a really good title.

00:29:13   - "Fiously Better Title."

00:29:15   I'm so pleased that that's the one that we've got here.

00:29:18   - And of course there's Lauren Goode's amazing article

00:29:22   that if you haven't read it, what are you doing?

00:29:24   Go read it.

00:29:25   So anyways, I thought about two things that I think they should change here.

00:29:30   One is just a rehashing of they do not give users enough control over what photos are

00:29:36   featured.

00:29:37   I think it would be really nice, again, some of this is what we said before, but I could

00:29:42   select photos or a group of photos, whatever, in the Photos app and say never use for memories.

00:29:52   And right now you can remove a photo or a memory, which is a little slideshow thing,

00:29:58   but only after it has been serviced.

00:30:02   So say that your photos app puts a little jingle together of you and your ex, you can

00:30:08   say, you know what, don't make that a memory anymore.

00:30:10   Get rid of it.

00:30:11   But you've already seen it and you've already been sad again.

00:30:14   Options before things make it to the widget would be really good.

00:30:16   Secondly, and the thing that makes me actually angry at this feature and whoever made this

00:30:21   decision got it wrong with an apple and i was 15 the photo widget changed to most of the time

00:30:29   show you one of these music playing slideshows and they're terrible and cheesy but god apple loves

00:30:36   cheesy slideshows like go back to like old versions of iPhoto right the that little weird

00:30:42   ipod nano did a video on today like they apple love slideshows but the problem is if you're in

00:30:48   bed next to your sleeping partner and you're putting your phone down. It's like,

00:30:53   "Oh, a picture of your family. You want to look at it before you go to bed." And then

00:30:57   it starts playing some sort of jazz ragtime tune over your family vacation,

00:31:00   and you wake your partner up. It's so bad that that is what it does. And if you're

00:31:10   in one of those slideshows, it's actually really hard to get to just the photo. It

00:31:14   needs to go back to the way it was, and Apple needs to give us more control on

00:31:17   the front end of saying you know what these images from this date or this

00:31:21   place or this person they can never be used in memories I want to keep them in

00:31:25   my photo library for whatever reason but I want to see them brought to the

00:31:29   surface and they have a lot more work to do on this yeah we spoke about this

00:31:34   before in episode 340 which was before Apple made the changes yeah and like

00:31:39   they did make some changes where you can say like don't show me this person or

00:31:45   or whatever, but as you said, one, by that point,

00:31:48   it could already be too late to have the bad feeling, right?

00:31:51   So that's point one.

00:31:52   But the tools in general that Apple have for this

00:31:55   are way too simple, way too unreliable,

00:31:58   and honestly complicated.

00:32:00   So I wanna be able to define date ranges, locations,

00:32:04   old people, or maybe even just things

00:32:06   that I don't want surfaced, right?

00:32:09   And I have had to delete images

00:32:11   that I don't want surfaced anymore

00:32:13   'cause they just keep getting shown to me.

00:32:16   And that's not a solution

00:32:17   because I don't not want the image.

00:32:20   I just don't want to be reminded of it.

00:32:23   - Yeah, like, I mean, I'll give you a real example.

00:32:27   Like we have a lot of photos of our son

00:32:29   before he was diagnosed.

00:32:31   And some of those are really hard to look at

00:32:33   because now--

00:32:34   - Now you see it.

00:32:35   - With a decade of brain tumor knowledge,

00:32:37   I see the symptoms.

00:32:38   I didn't then, no one would have,

00:32:40   but those photos are still 12 years later,

00:32:43   hard to look at. I'm glad I have them, but I never want to see them in the photo

00:32:48   widget. And yet, probably like three months ago, they were there with like some

00:32:52   ska music over them. It's like, what are you doing? Like, god, it's frustrating.

00:32:56   Funeral flower arrangements. Yeah. You want these pretty flowers. You want the

00:33:01   pictures, right? So you like, you know, you may not, but I want to have... so I can

00:33:07   always look at them if I want them. Yes. But I don't want to see them on my home

00:33:11   screen, you know, like it. There's just or just like

00:33:15   general things that would seemed good at the time, but

00:33:18   then become bad memories later because, like things change in

00:33:22   your life right and also the Apple thing is like see them

00:33:26   less often. What about never about never right so I think

00:33:31   you can destroy a memory, but I don't know if that flags it

00:33:35   somehow never to come back. Oh, I've had stuff come back.

00:33:39   Have you?

00:33:40   Like, even if it's not the same thing, it's including the same images, right?

00:33:45   So it's like, you know, so it's like, alright, we won't show you this time period, but we

00:33:50   may show you these images in another memory about something else, right?

00:33:55   So apparently there is a never feature this person.

00:33:58   It's really hard to get to that kind of stuff, and it's still not enough, as I'm saying.

00:34:01   It's not just people.

00:34:03   And also, the person stuff, you have to,

00:34:07   Apple has to accurately recognize

00:34:10   it's that person in the image, which isn't 100%, right?

00:34:14   - That's where I like dates or just give me a mode

00:34:16   and photos where I can go tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap

00:34:18   and everyone to see these images.

00:34:20   So you don't have to rely on Apple's

00:34:22   machine learning stuff at all.

00:34:23   - And I don't want movies.

00:34:25   - No, that's terrible. - And the thing about

00:34:26   the widget that you mentioned is like,

00:34:28   I don't think it's a great thing for like some,

00:34:30   a piece of UI to become unreliable.

00:34:33   like because the same widgets sometimes will take you to your featured photos or

00:34:37   sometimes take you to a movie and I know what the difference is like I know if

00:34:42   it's got text on it it will take me to a movie but still sometimes I'm not like

00:34:48   you know you press it because you see the thing and you're paying attention

00:34:50   yeah I think that there's good stuff in here but it's gotten a bit lost yep

00:34:56   it's frustrating because it's such a good feature yeah it's still great I

00:35:00   still get to see those images but like it's it's all gotten a bit lost along

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00:37:30   It's been 15 years since the iPhone keynote.

00:37:33   Was that this week?

00:37:34   Oh, how?

00:37:35   How?

00:37:36   That was this past week, right?

00:37:37   I had a similar realization when I was playing this old Zelda game on the analog pocket,

00:37:45   incredible console that, you know, lets you play old Game Boy games. And, like, I

00:37:50   knew that it was an old game, and I knew that it was like, "Oh yeah, 17 years ago."

00:37:55   That's when it first came out, and I still have the original cartridge and

00:37:58   everything. And then I was tweeting about this last night, and I stopped for a

00:38:03   second, and I realized, "Wait a second. 17 years ago, that's like half of my life

00:38:09   ago and that really hit home for me it's like half of my life ago yes yeah so I

00:38:19   can I can give you something else to make you feel old hmm you know long time

00:38:24   listeners may remember one of the best things the three of us have done at least

00:38:27   in my memory I haven't listened back to it recently but it was really good at

00:38:30   the time prompt episode 30 we did like a full-on like retrospective of the entire

00:38:36   keynote it's a really long episode there's loads of clips it was really

00:38:40   nicely made Stevens incredibly sick in that episode yeah don't let that put you

00:38:44   off that's so funny when I go back we are now today further from this

00:38:48   episodes release date then that episode was from the iPhone announcement no no

00:38:52   no no that was seven years it's now been eight years since that no way really

00:38:59   there's no that was 2014 was when we released that episode that was made and

00:39:04   And of 2007, it was seven years.

00:39:07   2022 is eight years from 2014.

00:39:10   - You can't swear on the show, right?

00:39:12   (Myke laughs)

00:39:14   - Isn't that incredible?

00:39:15   - That's a word for it.

00:39:16   - Yes, yes, let's say it is incredible, Myke, yes.

00:39:22   - The thing that's funny to me

00:39:24   in thinking about the iPhone keynote

00:39:27   is that I was into Apple at the time,

00:39:30   but I actually wasn't where I could keep up

00:39:35   with the keynote that day.

00:39:37   I was in North Carolina visiting family.

00:39:40   I had a, I guess I had a,

00:39:42   probably had a like a palm trio at the time,

00:39:45   but you know, I'm not keeping up with the news

00:39:47   right like we would now.

00:39:49   And I remember getting back to my aunt's house

00:39:52   where I was staying and I had my,

00:39:56   I guess my like first gen MacBook Pro

00:39:59   and opened it up and was like,

00:40:00   "Oh, I'm just gonna see what Apple announced today."

00:40:03   'Cause I knew there was a Mac world,

00:40:04   but I just remember loading that iPhone webpage

00:40:08   and it was so slow.

00:40:09   'Cause I'm sure she was on dial up

00:40:11   and I'm sure everyone on the planet

00:40:12   was looking at this webpage.

00:40:14   And just my mind being blown

00:40:16   and I didn't see the video for a while.

00:40:20   Maybe, I don't even know how long it was

00:40:22   before I actually got to see the video.

00:40:25   And so that always kind of makes me chuckle

00:40:26   like this really like earth-changing, world-changing thing

00:40:31   that has defined so much about what I do now,

00:40:33   I actually missed on the day of

00:40:35   because I was just offline visiting family.

00:40:37   That wouldn't happen now.

00:40:38   I wouldn't have planned a vacation during WWDC.

00:40:41   - Well, it's different now.

00:40:43   Question, was this in the era

00:40:45   where they would live streaming video at all?

00:40:49   'Cause I know for a while it was just some.

00:40:52   Was this live streamed?

00:40:54   - I wanna say yes, but I'm not sure.

00:40:56   -The iPhone event? -What? Yes.

00:40:58   -No. No. -It wasn't? You don't think so?

00:41:02   Mmm, no. They started live streaming in the 2010s or something.

00:41:07   Well, but there was a point where they started doing it consistently.

00:41:10   And there was a point before that where it was sporadic.

00:41:13   See, I'm gonna say there was a few years ago,

00:41:16   but a few years now doesn't mean anything anymore.

00:41:19   That's 12 years, what you just said, 2010.

00:41:21   I Google searched the live stream, Macworld 2007, and it's all live blogs.

00:41:25   Yeah, so what I am going to include in the show notes is the Engadget live blog,

00:41:30   because if you are young enough where you won't follow,

00:41:35   or you just weren't paying attention,

00:41:37   I will put in the show notes the way that we used to consume these events live,

00:41:41   which is you would just be reading the text and looking at the images,

00:41:46   and I really tip my hat to the fact that places like The Verge still do these,

00:41:50   because I don't know who's viewing them,

00:41:53   I guess if you can't watch the video, but...

00:41:55   I have some context. So back in 2010, I did an article on Mac stories.

00:42:00   Apple will offer live streaming of back to the Mac event. So at the time, that was a new thing.

00:42:06   Well, no, see, this is the thing. It was sporadic, Federico. So like...

00:42:09   It was sporadic because then in 2012, so two years later, still sporadic, another article on Mac stories.

00:42:18   Apple to live stream today's media event. That was the...

00:42:21   - Yeah, but look, here's a press release

00:42:23   someone Discord dug up from 2002

00:42:26   saying that they were streaming Macworld keynote 2002.

00:42:29   So it was hit or miss.

00:42:32   I bet it was live streamed, probably through QuickTime.

00:42:35   - It would have been through QuickTime.

00:42:36   You used to get the QuickTime links from the Apple webpage,

00:42:39   but it's just, yeah, I'm just not, I don't know, right?

00:42:41   Like it's what I'm saying, I don't know.

00:42:42   But anyway. - But yeah,

00:42:43   I didn't see it for some amount of time,

00:42:46   which is funny because what everyone remembers from this,

00:42:49   like this event is important for the iPhone,

00:42:51   but it's also so memorable because of the keynote

00:42:54   being Steve Jobs' best one ever.

00:42:57   - So I watched it today.

00:42:58   This was not my intention of how I would spend my day,

00:43:01   a big, big portion of my day, but I did anyway.

00:43:04   Just 'cause basically I was like,

00:43:06   oh, how will I prepare for today's episode?

00:43:08   And I was like, oh, let me think about it.

00:43:09   And I was like, oh, you know what?

00:43:10   I'm just gonna watch the thing.

00:43:12   By the way, I'm really, I don't know why,

00:43:14   but like I'm really struggling to put this link in the CMS.

00:43:17   I'll work it out.

00:43:18   This in Gadget Link is full of like 100,000 referrals.

00:43:23   And so like, it's just, it's a,

00:43:27   this is a real scene over here.

00:43:29   So I, and I wanted to just share with you both

00:43:32   some of my observations watching the event now,

00:43:35   considering we are so far away from it at this point.

00:43:38   Have either of you watched it recently?

00:43:40   - No, no.

00:43:41   Probably five years ago when we celebrated 10 years

00:43:44   is the last time I watched it.

00:43:46   - Yeah, which is, I mean, in its entirety,

00:43:48   was definitely for me. So there's just like a few quotes and a few interesting

00:43:51   things things that I pulled out. So one is like right at the start which is how

00:43:55   Steve introduces the thing and he's like so emotional and he's like this is a day

00:43:58   I've been looking forward to for two and a half years and he's kind of choked up

00:44:01   a little bit and that's really nice. My favorite thing about the entire keynote

00:44:06   is when he says breakthrough internet communications device and nobody says

00:44:11   anything. You know when he's doing like a phone, a widescreen iPod with touch

00:44:15   controls and was like a breakthrough internet communications device nothing

00:44:20   mm-hmm and like that's the whole thing now that's brutal yeah cuz like there's

00:44:25   a part later on where he literally says the iPhones killer app is making calls

00:44:31   which is just like it really it's like it's of its time it really is and there's

00:44:38   like some interesting stuff that never shipped to I don't think like when he

00:44:41   was on a call and he went to the home screen, the app icon for the phone was flashing to

00:44:47   indicate that a call was live.

00:44:49   There's that, and I think it's this.

00:44:51   There was a split view for mail.

00:44:54   That's what I was going to say.

00:44:55   I think it's the iPhone where it's like the top half is the inbox and the bottom half

00:44:59   is the message window.

00:45:01   It's weird looking.

00:45:02   Very Lotus Notes-y.

00:45:04   The three things are you still getting, it still gives me goosebumps.

00:45:09   when you watch that, like that moment where it changes

00:45:12   and like people start to realize and then he says it

00:45:15   and it's like, oh, it was such a good,

00:45:17   it's the best product, there will never be,

00:45:19   like I feel confident in saying there will never be

00:45:21   a tech product introduction as good as this one.

00:45:24   Because it was still like, you know,

00:45:27   still really at that point, Jobs was the only one doing it.

00:45:31   - I try to think about like,

00:45:32   well, what's the second best one?

00:45:33   And the one I think of immediately is the iPad,

00:45:36   but the energy is so different in that one.

00:45:39   It is three years later, his health isn't as good,

00:45:42   but he's like sitting in a chair,

00:45:45   scrolling through the New York Times.

00:45:46   It is very different than this.

00:45:48   - The iPad one was good for the lead up

00:45:51   to the actual announcement

00:45:54   because of like the explanation that he provided,

00:45:57   like the context that Jobs provided around like,

00:46:00   why do we need a tablet?

00:46:02   Like what's the story behind it?

00:46:05   and I thought that was very good from that keynote.

00:46:07   - It's gotta be better at these things.

00:46:09   - And 'cause like, you know, it's also the context

00:46:11   and maybe the context helps it,

00:46:13   but like the iPad was what we expected it to be,

00:46:17   even to a fault, right?

00:46:19   Which was just a big iPhone, you know?

00:46:22   The iPhone, no one was imagining what they delivered.

00:46:27   You know, like, and he even does it in the way,

00:46:28   I can't believe it, like when he's done the whole thing

00:46:31   and he goes, and here it is,

00:46:32   and it's an iPod of a rotary dial.

00:46:35   Like he plays that like joke.

00:46:36   Like that is the first thing.

00:46:38   So like he does the whole thing.

00:46:39   Everyone's losing their mind.

00:46:40   We call it the iPhone and here it is.

00:46:42   And it's a joke, which is such a bold thing to do

00:46:46   and something I could never imagine them doing now.

00:46:50   Like I think it needs Steve, but also it's just like,

00:46:52   there's so many things in his presentation

00:46:55   that are locked to Apple at the time.

00:46:58   It was a much smaller company, like so different.

00:47:01   Like the fact that they are name checking

00:47:03   and calling out competitor products

00:47:05   throughout the entire thing,

00:47:06   which they stopped doing really soon afterwards.

00:47:09   - Yeah, they didn't even say the word Intel

00:47:11   the last few years.

00:47:12   There's also the bit,

00:47:14   two things that sort of are strong in my mind.

00:47:17   One, the bit where he calls the Starbucks

00:47:20   and orders like thousands of coffees.

00:47:22   - 4,000 lattes, 4,000 lattes he asks.

00:47:25   - A few years ago, someone tracked down that barista

00:47:27   and there was an article about it that was pretty funny.

00:47:29   - That just cracks me up because I kind of like the idea

00:47:32   of Steve Jobs as a prankster.

00:47:33   - One thing that's funny to me,

00:47:35   like he talks about multi-touch, he says,

00:47:36   "Boy, have we patented it and everyone laughs and applauds?"

00:47:41   Which is like such a strange thing.

00:47:43   - Like again, nobody would do that today,

00:47:45   especially given the company up on this.

00:47:47   - Like yeah, woo!

00:47:48   Patents, like.

00:47:50   - Nobody does that anymore.

00:47:52   - Three and a half inch screen, it's really big.

00:47:55   - Nope.

00:47:56   - The demos, I don't know if we're ever,

00:47:59   I mean, I hope that this is a thing they can do again,

00:48:02   but I think we might just all be a little more,

00:48:05   not necessarily jaded, but just can't be surprised.

00:48:10   There were gasps and cheers for the demos,

00:48:13   like when he would take his moment

00:48:15   and he would show how scrolling worked,

00:48:17   just because it was like, it was such a jump.

00:48:19   If you have never seen the keynote,

00:48:23   I really recommend watching it.

00:48:24   You only really have to watch the first hour,

00:48:26   'cause then the last half an hour,

00:48:27   he brings out a bunch of people and they talk for a while

00:48:29   it's boring. Yeah, like the singular guy reading off his index card. Yeah, and Eric Schmidt

00:48:33   comes out. Oh yeah, we should combine the companies. Yeah, it's really boring. Elizabeth

00:48:39   Warren is watching you. The other thing that jumps out at me though, and you touched on

00:48:45   it a second ago, is the time, like the company Apple was, the fact that it was a widescreen

00:48:53   like touch iPod was a huge deal, and they talk a lot about that in the keynote, right?

00:48:58   It has all this iPod functionality built in.

00:49:01   In hindsight, that's the coffin for the iPod, right?

00:49:05   It's like we've taken this product

00:49:07   and turned it into a feature on this newer, nicer product.

00:49:12   And I mean, at the time thinking that anything

00:49:15   would kill the iPod was unthinkable,

00:49:17   but Apple wanted to be the ones to do it.

00:49:20   And so they spent a lot of time

00:49:21   really perfecting that experience.

00:49:23   And that was a great experience,

00:49:25   right out of the box on the first iPhone.

00:49:28   the playback stuff was all really good.

00:49:30   - I also had CoverFlow, CoverFlow,

00:49:34   coming to the iPhone, you know?

00:49:36   - Steve Jobs loved CoverFlow, man.

00:49:38   Loved it.

00:49:39   - Well, I mean, they knew it was so good

00:49:40   that they made the iPod touch, right?

00:49:42   - Yeah.

00:49:43   - Too, right?

00:49:44   - Yeah.

00:49:45   - Which was awesome.

00:49:46   - Yeah, the thing about the demos is,

00:49:49   A, Macworld was open to the public, right?

00:49:51   So there were a lot of just fans there,

00:49:53   which I think makes the audience more hype

00:49:56   than when it's a bunch of journalists.

00:49:57   Even more so than WWDC, like it was like a sliding scale.

00:50:02   - The thing that they did after this,

00:50:05   I don't know when these ads started,

00:50:07   maybe we can find some for the show notes.

00:50:09   Apple had this series of ads,

00:50:10   there's someone holding a phone,

00:50:11   had music in the background.

00:50:13   It's like, this is how you do this, right?

00:50:16   So like, this is how you go from an email

00:50:19   and look up something on Google Maps

00:50:22   and go back to an email and, you know,

00:50:24   send something to somebody.

00:50:25   - No, that was friend of Upgrade, Bob Borchers.

00:50:28   We had him on Upgrade.

00:50:29   - Oh, it was.

00:50:30   Yes, it was Bob.

00:50:31   - I've tried finding these and they're impossible to find.

00:50:34   You might have better luck than me,

00:50:35   but it was a bunch of like--

00:50:36   - I may have copies of them.

00:50:37   - Yeah, you put this one, I'm saying.

00:50:39   It was like a bunch of tutorial videos, basically.

00:50:41   Like this is how this works.

00:50:43   And it was hilarious to me when we spoke to him on Upgrade

00:50:46   because it was like, I know that voice incredibly well

00:50:50   because I watched those videos like many people did

00:50:54   over and over and over again,

00:50:56   'cause I was so excited about it.

00:50:58   One of my favorite moments in the whole presentation

00:51:00   is when the first phone call, he calls Johnny,

00:51:03   and Johnny's in the audience,

00:51:04   but they are both just so excited about it.

00:51:09   Johnny's just beaming the whole time he's having the call.

00:51:13   They're just mega thrilled, and it's just really touching,

00:51:18   and it's one of those things that becomes

00:51:21   it's like bittersweet in a way, because you know how close they were and that you see

00:51:28   it in that moment, because they're enjoying this moment together of this thing that they've

00:51:33   both worked so hard for.

00:51:35   And as well, I think you see it throughout this entire presentation that maybe more than

00:51:39   ever they know what they've got.

00:51:43   There is no question in their mind of how good this product is.

00:51:49   And the excitement between the two of them in that moment, it's just like, it's really

00:51:55   like it hit me in a way.

00:51:57   It was just really nice.

00:51:59   It's very nice.

00:52:01   He makes a lot more jokey phone calls to Phil Schiller.

00:52:05   And there's just this moment where it's like, they're arranging the whole, there's like

00:52:11   this through line of like arranging a dinner that goes through multiple demos with Phil,

00:52:17   like where are they going to go?

00:52:19   and then there's like maps,

00:52:20   and then like they have a phone call,

00:52:22   and Phil's like, should we catch a movie afterwards?

00:52:24   And then he makes this joke,

00:52:26   which is you got it like 2007,

00:52:27   funny for them, wouldn't work now.

00:52:29   Whereas like, well, there's nothing weird about this,

00:52:31   we're just friends, you know, like,

00:52:33   and it's like, ha ha ha, you wouldn't make that joke today.

00:52:36   But I just liked the idea of Apple executives

00:52:39   all going for dinner and watching movies together.

00:52:41   There's just something very funny about this.

00:52:44   So that's, they were my big observations,

00:52:45   and it did make me wanna ask you guys,

00:52:48   I feel like I've already tipped my hand to this,

00:52:49   but do you think we would ever see an announcement

00:52:52   of this magnitude again in our lifetimes?

00:52:55   - In our lifetimes, probably not.

00:52:57   I don't know.

00:52:59   No, well, basically in the next,

00:53:03   for optimistic 40 to 50 years.

00:53:07   - Give me a little bit more than 40, geez, come on.

00:53:10   - I mean, sure.

00:53:11   - I mean, Steven's got, like he's older.

00:53:13   (laughing)

00:53:13   - Wow. - You know.

00:53:14   - He's got like six years left.

00:53:17   I don't want to say never. I don't want to say never.

00:53:20   Here's a fun way to consider this question.

00:53:25   Before the iPhone,

00:53:27   what would you say was another groundbreaking announcement

00:53:33   before 2007?

00:53:35   Just to try and understand how fast is this cycle?

00:53:41   Like, what was it before the iPhone? The iPod?

00:53:44   But the announcement wasn't that big.

00:53:47   I think this one is kind of unique in its.

00:53:50   - It is.

00:53:51   The iPod is like, okay, Apple is still

00:53:54   not really successful yet.

00:53:57   And they did it like a month after 9/11

00:54:00   and the whole world was kind of subdued.

00:54:02   And you watch that keynote and I think Jobs

00:54:05   knows they have something good.

00:54:07   But to your point, Myke, I think with the iPhone,

00:54:11   like they really knew it and they were willing

00:54:14   to show that off in a way that they didn't or couldn't six years previously.

00:54:20   And I think the only time I feel like Apple's ever tried to emulate that energy was the Apple Watch.

00:54:27   Yes.

00:54:27   And it didn't work. Like it wasn't just the product, but like you could feel it,

00:54:32   right? That you could feel like they were trying too hard because I think they even brought out

00:54:38   like some similar... It was like a greatest hits of the iPhone announcement where it was like,

00:54:43   you know like how Steve goes through it,

00:54:44   like we've had the chance of,

00:54:48   Apple's been lucky enough to introduce these products

00:54:51   to the world and it's like the Mac and the iPod

00:54:54   and now the iPhone.

00:54:55   And if I'm remembering rightly,

00:54:57   they did a similar thing of like the Mac, the iPhone,

00:55:00   the iPod and now there's the Apple Watch

00:55:03   and it's like, I don't know.

00:55:05   - Yeah, the digital crown is gonna be

00:55:07   just as important as multi-touch.

00:55:09   - Yeah, I mean.

00:55:10   - Nah, man.

00:55:12   - So the only two things on the immediate horizon

00:55:14   would be like some kind of headset or a car, right?

00:55:18   Like these are two things that would be completely new

00:55:23   and maybe the headset more, right?

00:55:24   Like just bear with me a second, right?

00:55:26   There is currently what we know in this world, AR and VR,

00:55:31   like in the same way that there were smartphones,

00:55:36   they existed.

00:55:38   But what Apple did for the iPhone just jumped it.

00:55:43   Now, they could, I don't think there is room

00:55:48   for this with a headset,

00:55:50   but like maybe that's the next possible thing.

00:55:52   But I don't think anything,

00:55:53   I can't imagine something being as big.

00:55:57   And it's not even just big in hindsight,

00:55:58   it was that big at the time.

00:56:00   I don't know.

00:56:01   Steven, did you want to, I don't think you did, right?

00:56:03   - It's so hard, I think,

00:56:04   because everything that we've had since the iPhone

00:56:08   has built on the smartphone.

00:56:11   And I think even to a degree, the AR, VR, glasses, goggles,

00:56:15   whatever, that stems from the iPhone,

00:56:19   at least in spirit, if not in actuality.

00:56:21   And so the uniqueness of the iPhone,

00:56:24   that it was a clean break from everything before it,

00:56:28   I think that's what makes it hard to replicate.

00:56:30   And I tend to agree with Federico

00:56:32   that I'm not sure that we will.

00:56:34   But I don't think that's a bad thing either.

00:56:37   When the original Mac came out,

00:56:38   1984, like it was new and very novel and had lots of things that weren't

00:56:43   necessarily present in the the PC market in the early 80s, but in a way like we

00:56:48   still live in the world that the Macintosh defined and that's totally

00:56:52   fine. And so even if AR, VR, whatever, car, who knows, I don't have the imagination

00:56:59   for that. All of it stemming from the iPhone, I don't think that's necessarily

00:57:02   like a deal breaker. I don't think it says anything about Apple or the

00:57:05   industry it's just that this is the world we live in now and everything will

00:57:09   be filtered through it at least for the foreseeable future. I think the only

00:57:13   thing that you know like that we could conceive of right now that could come

00:57:19   close would be an AR headset like that they could come up with some set of

00:57:24   things that it can do which which is like similar to the set of things that

00:57:28   the iPhone did. Like the iPhone did a limited set of things but it did all of

00:57:34   the things that you'd want really well. You know, like the camera was trash but we didn't

00:57:39   really want that then. You know, and it like we just wanted all the things that like you

00:57:44   know imagine if an AI headset can do like 10 basic things that we do on our phone in

00:57:50   like a better way than the phone the iPhone can then maybe it is huge but I think it comes

00:57:57   with other issues but basically I don't think we'll ever see something like this again just

00:58:02   and it's the way it was introduced and the immediate understanding that the world wasn't

00:58:08   going to be the same after it.

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00:59:53   Relay FM. So CES has wrapped up and we wanted to do our annual very normal

00:59:59   coverage of CES and so we have three rounds. Round one is things we want,

01:00:07   round two is things that are too expensive, and round three are things

01:00:12   that should not exist and we're just gonna round robin our way through some

01:00:16   CES announcements. Have we done this before? Years ago I think. Well yeah maybe.

01:00:22   I have no memory.

01:00:24   We old, Myke. We're old.

01:00:28   No, okay. I know we've spoken about CES before, but the way you said it was like,

01:00:32   as if this was like a traditional way that we've covered CES.

01:00:35   Yeah, that was a little sarcasm, probably.

01:00:38   Oh, sorry. There's been so much about age and memory in this episode, it just freaked me out a little bit.

01:00:45   I mean, we talked about the photos widget and Steve, I don't know.

01:00:49   I feel like I need a shower of youth just to cleanse off this, you know, age discussion.

01:00:58   Anyway, CES, right?

01:01:00   - CES.

01:01:02   So product announcements that we're interested in, things that we want.

01:01:05   Federico, why don't you start us?

01:01:09   - So things we want.

01:01:11   I do want the new Sony 4K TV, specifically the QD OLED 4K TV.

01:01:18   So QD, it stands for Quantum Dot OLED.

01:01:23   It's this new way to, like, I don't want to get into the specifics,

01:01:27   it's this new way to produce OLED panels that uses this new Quantum Dot technology.

01:01:33   Basically, it looks better than OLED, supposedly.

01:01:36   And it's a Sony TV, which is, you know, Sony brand that I personally like.

01:01:42   I have a Sony Walkman, I have a PlayStation 5, I have Sony headphones.

01:01:47   It looks fantastic. It comes in 55-inch, which is my current size for the TV that we have in the bedroom,

01:01:53   and a bigger one at 65 inches.

01:01:56   What I also appreciate is the... it's like... it's a modern TV that has all the latest fancy things

01:02:02   that my 2017 LG TV regular OLED does not have. So this one has four HDMI inputs,

01:02:11   two of them with support for HDMI 2.1, which is the latest HDMI standard.

01:02:17   It comes with 120Hz support for high refresh rate gaming and that sort of stuff.

01:02:25   And, because it's Sony, it's specifically optimized for PlayStation 5

01:02:30   with an Auto HDR mode that automatically switches HDR image quality for PS5.

01:02:39   It looks fantastic, I kinda want it, but I'm not gonna buy it,

01:02:46   because this older TV that I have is still perfectly fine.

01:02:50   Maybe when and if we're finally gonna move from this small apartment,

01:02:55   I will consider an upgrade for my gaming television.

01:02:59   And if I do, I wanna check out this Quantum Dot thing, because it looks really gorgeous.

01:03:04   Do you know who makes the panel?

01:03:07   Samsung, right? Or LG?

01:03:09   Yeah, it is Samsung. Yeah, I just found it. I was searching through the article trying to find it.

01:03:13   That's interesting, because Samsung haven't announced one yet.

01:03:17   No, but they're making the panel for Sony, and Sony did, so, I mean, okay.

01:03:23   It's always kind of strange how Samsung Display and LG Display

01:03:28   are separate entities from Samsung and LG.

01:03:31   Sometimes in terms of product releases, I don't really understand it.

01:03:36   But it's not strange when you look at this, right?

01:03:38   But Samsung, the overall entity, can make more money

01:03:42   if Samsung Display is separate, because they can sell the displays

01:03:45   to Apple and Sony and all that kind of stuff.

01:03:50   where if they were part of Samsung, then that part of the organization would make less money

01:03:56   because they wouldn't for competitive reasons sell to other companies. That looks interesting.

01:04:01   My product is the Asus Zenbook Fold 17 OLED. I love this thing. Yes.

01:04:14   This is a 17 inch 4x3 tablet that folds in half. It's a flexible OLED display.

01:04:23   And you can put a keyboard on the bottom part of it, which comes with the whole package,

01:04:29   to turn it into a 12 inch laptop. So it can either be a 12 inch laptop or a 17 inch

01:04:36   OLED display tablet. I just find this form factor very intriguing. Like, really big tablet,

01:04:46   small laptop. I think this is a form factor that we could see a lot more companies,

01:04:55   maybe like Apple, adopt in the future at some point. This maybe seems like a potentially a

01:05:01   better use of folding displays than phones, at least some types of phones, but I just like it.

01:05:06   I think it's smart, I think it's an early interesting way of taking a form factor

01:05:10   and making it intriguing. What do you like about it Federico?

01:05:13   Oh I love the the wildness of it. It's this 17 inch foldable thing that you know it opens

01:05:24   and you got the detachable keyboard. I just love it. Like I am incredibly pumped for foldable

01:05:31   tablets/laptops in general, like as a thing. Like a foldable iPad is a thing of my dreams

01:05:39   right now, but even more than a phone, perhaps. And this one, I mean, it looks great. I just

01:05:46   love it. It's wild, totally unnecessary for me because it's not like the kind of thing

01:05:51   that I'm ever going to use on a regular basis. I just love it as an idea of the kind of product

01:05:57   that we may see more in the future, maybe.

01:06:02   Can I give an honorable mention?

01:06:03   Sure.

01:06:05   LG's new 16 by 18 monitor.

01:06:08   Have you seen this thing?

01:06:09   No.

01:06:10   Where is it?

01:06:11   It has a 16 by 18 aspect ratio, which basically makes--

01:06:16   so it's like, it's the wrong way, right?

01:06:19   It's like kind of squarey rectangular.

01:06:22   Oh, yes, I've seen this.

01:06:23   Yes, yes, yes.

01:06:24   It's genius.

01:06:25   Which basically is 2560 by 2880. It's 27.6 inches diagonally, but they call it the dual up, like D-U-A-L up.

01:06:35   Like dual up. The dual up.

01:06:37   With the idea being that this is effectively two 21.5 inch displays stacked on top of each other.

01:06:43   I think this thing is incredible and I might buy one as a second monitor in the future.

01:06:50   like one off to the side of like a Mac like I've had it now.

01:06:54   I think this would be a better display than like the regular display that I'm using

01:06:58   for this kind of thing right now. With this monitor, chances are

01:07:03   you're not gonna get the letter box in if you connect an iPad Pro, right?

01:07:08   Yeah, I guess so, right? I mean, well, no, you wouldn't get the pillar box in at the sides.

01:07:17   I think, yeah.

01:07:18   I think this is really cool and I like that LG is doing weird things with monitors, because

01:07:22   why not, right?

01:07:23   Like this is just like, I've never seen a monitor like this before and I just think

01:07:26   it's really cool and it has a good looking, the arm that it comes on looks very similar

01:07:34   to the arm that's on my current LG display and I really like it, so.

01:07:38   Why does it remind me of a Bloomberg terminal?

01:07:42   'cause that's, it looks like one.

01:07:44   But those are like productivity monitors, right?

01:07:47   So like, Stephen, what is the thing that you want from CES?

01:07:51   - I have a family of products, really.

01:07:54   This is the Kohler Smart Bath Perfect Fill.

01:07:59   And if you already have a bathtub--

01:08:02   - Is that like perfect, perfect, perfect Phil Schiller?

01:08:04   - Perfect Phil.

01:08:05   - Perfect Phil.

01:08:06   - I mean, if Phil Schiller wants to use my bathtub,

01:08:08   he's welcome to it.

01:08:10   - All right. - Okay.

01:08:11   This is a smart, it's really two things.

01:08:16   It's a smart drain and a smart faucet.

01:08:21   And through the Google Assistant

01:08:23   or the Amazon Voice Assistant, you can say,

01:08:26   "Hey, fill my bathtub up three quarters of the way

01:08:30   "at some predetermined temperature."

01:08:34   And it will fill it for you.

01:08:35   So you don't have to worry about overfilling the tub

01:08:37   or not being hot enough or being too hot.

01:08:40   and you can have up to 10 different programs saved.

01:08:43   So I know y'all haven't experienced this,

01:08:45   but when my kids were younger and it was bath time,

01:08:47   we would always need to turn the water on for them

01:08:50   so they didn't accidentally scald themselves

01:08:52   or freeze themselves to death, right?

01:08:54   So you gotta get the temperature just right.

01:08:56   And I'm a man who loves a bath,

01:08:57   with or without Phil Schiller,

01:08:59   and I think that this would be kind of cool.

01:09:02   - Why do you keep bringing that up? Okay.

01:09:04   - Myke brought it up.

01:09:05   - I brought it up initially.

01:09:07   - Now that's $2,700.

01:09:09   That's a lot of money.

01:09:11   It's a lot of money.

01:09:12   But if you're going down the road of luxury baths,

01:09:17   the road ends with the stillness bath.

01:09:22   Now this was previewed at last CES

01:09:24   and we got more details this year

01:09:26   because it's not vaporware if you talk about it every year.

01:09:29   Oh, it's actually vapor 'cause the water's hot.

01:09:31   - No, it is actually, yes, it is exactly vaporware.

01:09:34   I do like-- - This is actually vaporware.

01:09:35   - I must say, I do like how you said we got more details.

01:09:39   you're really into the bathtub reporting ecosystem. Oh I've been on the bathbeat

01:09:44   you won't let me make a bath podcast but I think it literally does listen. You know what? I

01:09:49   agree make that show. No I'm trying to go on shows. Make it now make that one make

01:09:55   the bathtub show. My one change as annual chairman is we even we have a

01:10:01   semi-regular bathtub technology segment. The stillness bath starts at $8,000

01:10:06   which is a lot of money, a lot, a lot of money, but...

01:10:11   - Some bath right there, okay.

01:10:14   - It is a standalone tub that you get installed

01:10:19   that combines all the smart bathtub stuff

01:10:21   I spoke about a second ago,

01:10:22   but it also combines light, fog, aroma,

01:10:27   and if you want to upgrade to the Infinity Experience,

01:10:30   a model that has water flow over the edge,

01:10:34   like have you ever seen any of those

01:10:35   like infinity swimming pools,

01:10:37   like the water just goes off the edge.

01:10:39   It's like that, and so it goes down the outside of the tub

01:10:41   to like this wooden base.

01:10:42   It's like an at-home waterfall spa experience.

01:10:47   And I'm just saying, if I had a very different lifestyle

01:10:51   and made a lot, a lot, a lot more money,

01:10:54   this would be something I would be interested in

01:10:56   as a bath connoisseur.

01:10:57   - Just start selling NFTs

01:11:01   and you could afford this kind of lifestyle.

01:11:03   you know, not have bought a produce play XTR. Sure, also that. I don't like the name Stillness Bath.

01:11:10   That sounds a little murdery. Yep, Stillness. To be honest. Stillness Bath sounds like

01:11:19   like the final stage of a Zelda or Final Fantasy game, like you just entered the Stillness Bath.

01:11:28   Stillness Bath. Stillness Bath.

01:11:29   DLC coming in 2022.

01:11:31   It sounds like a dungeon to me.

01:11:33   Like, and everything is crystal

01:11:35   and there's some creepy music in the background.

01:11:39   Yeah, I don't like it.

01:11:40   Gannon's Stillness Bath from Matt in the Discord.

01:11:44   Yeah.

01:11:45   This looks very interesting, Steven.

01:11:48   I...

01:11:49   I've learned something about myself over the last few years.

01:11:51   Go for it.

01:11:52   Is that I need ways to relax.

01:11:56   'cause I'm not very good at it on my own.

01:11:59   And so I've implemented some things in my life

01:12:00   to help with this.

01:12:02   But I think the $8,000 stillness bath

01:12:05   with the optional upgrade for the waterfall feature.

01:12:09   - How much is the optional upgrade to the--

01:12:12   - I'm not perfectly clear on that.

01:12:13   - That means it's at least twice the price, I feel like.

01:12:16   - Probably really expensive.

01:12:18   - Probably twice the price.

01:12:20   - Okay, no, it's an extra, okay,

01:12:21   it's an extra $3,000 basically.

01:12:24   - Okay, so it's $11,000.

01:12:27   - There's a version that has floor grates

01:12:29   and lights through the water, and that is $16,000.

01:12:35   - Wouldn't you need the floor grates

01:12:36   for the Infinity version?

01:12:37   Where does the water go?

01:12:38   - Well, I think it's on a wooden base that accumulates it.

01:12:41   It's not just spilling into your apartment.

01:12:43   - So you can go all the way up to $16,000 for this bathtub.

01:12:47   All right.

01:12:48   - You could buy several vehicles for that money.

01:12:50   - So the way you started this discussion

01:12:52   feels like you're looking for us to say it's okay for you to buy the $8,000 bathtub.

01:12:57   Or the $2,700 smart controls. No. Clearly I'm not going to do any of this.

01:13:02   I mean, really, if you don't go for the $8,000 bathtub, the $2,700 smart controls is a steal.

01:13:10   You just saved like six grand.

01:13:13   That's true. I like thinking about that that way.

01:13:16   Think of those savings.

01:13:17   - Yeah, you know, I really messed up

01:13:19   by not building a sauna or some sort of bath

01:13:22   in my pod cabin.

01:13:24   - Second thing, if you did make a bathtub podcast,

01:13:27   you could possibly write this off.

01:13:30   (laughing)

01:13:31   So a limited release show.

01:13:34   - We're gonna call our CPA after we get off the show.

01:13:35   - Steven's Bathtub Show,

01:13:38   and it's just a review of the Stillness buff.

01:13:41   - What would we call it?

01:13:42   It needs like a zippy relay name.

01:13:44   - Tubbin.

01:13:45   - Ah, could be called.

01:13:45   - Tubbin, Rub-a-Dub-Bub?

01:13:47   Thumpin'.

01:13:48   Uh...

01:13:49   [laughs]

01:13:50   -That's a good one.

01:13:51   -Tough time.

01:13:52   -Let's see, hold on.

01:13:53   Let's see, relay.fm...

01:13:54   -You going for some inspo, in Federica?

01:13:57   -Yeah.

01:13:58   Yeah.

01:13:59   -Bubbles.

01:14:00   But anyways, I need ways to relax.

01:14:01   This would be a great way to do it.

01:14:03   -You already have Downstream.

01:14:05   I'm sure that could have been used somehow.

01:14:07   -Stillstream.

01:14:08   -Stillness.

01:14:09   Just call it stillness.

01:14:10   It's like I just whisper on the podcast.

01:14:12   -Oh, Steven, you've done the thing again with the round robin, right?

01:14:17   it's three circular round robins yes interlocking round robins your first this time oh god all right

01:14:25   so things that are too expensive razors project sofia this thing is wild technically this thing

01:14:36   has no price because it's a concept and will probably never arrive however i guarantee can

01:14:42   put a price on a concept. That if they made this it would cost way more money than anyone should

01:14:48   ever pay for it. It is a modular desk with an integrated monitor that lets you swap in and out

01:14:55   pc parts and peripherals. This is a quote from the Verge. The desk is designed to feature 13 different

01:15:00   swappable module slots where users can add in a wide array of different pieces, temperature readouts,

01:15:07   touchscreen application launches, dedicated chat and calendar displays, wireless Qi charges,

01:15:12   a mug heater, pen tablets, audio mixers, CPU and GPU monitors and more. The PC for this is built

01:15:19   in, we're back to me now, the PC is built in so as soon as you need to change hardware, like as soon

01:15:25   as hardware evolves you'd be stuck because graphics cards keep getting bigger. What do you do

01:15:31   when you physically cannot fit the graphics card into your desk anymore, you know?

01:15:37   Like, if you need to upgrade your graphics card, it doesn't fit in your PC case,

01:15:42   you buy a new PC case, you can still use all these existing parts, you're golden.

01:15:45   When you can't fit the graphics card into the desk anymore, you need a whole new desk.

01:15:51   You buy a new house.

01:15:52   That's the only way!

01:15:54   Now, the idea of this is kind of cool, right? PC desk is kind of cool?

01:15:58   Yeah, I like the PC desk.

01:16:00   There are a million YouTube videos about PC Desk. This one is obviously way overboard.

01:16:05   It looks awesome though.

01:16:07   Just real quick, a bit of a bit of Razer follow-up I think from two years ago CES.

01:16:12   Remember when they did the mask?

01:16:14   Yes, it's real now isn't it?

01:16:16   Not only is it real, they said it was N95 grade.

01:16:21   That got proven as being a lie and they've now had to backtrack it.

01:16:24   Why would you lie about how good your mask is in the middle of a pandemic?

01:16:29   I don't know.

01:16:29   I don't know. Doesn't it project your voice or is that what people wanted it to do?

01:16:33   The first edition didn't, the second edition does. So you sound like Bane walking around Home Depot in that mask.

01:16:39   So Razor's Project Sophia, something that is too expensive.

01:16:43   My thing that's too expensive is not the $16,000 bath experience.

01:16:47   Oh my god!

01:16:49   Where are we going? It is the $105,000 electric Chevy Silverado.

01:16:56   Okay, so CES used to be a TV show used to be a show about TVs

01:17:01   Haven't you be watching CES on Apple TV+ yeah

01:17:07   Everyone dies at the end. No, but it is

01:17:11   increasingly a show about

01:17:15   Vehicles and electric vehicles and so Chevrolet was going to show off their electric Silverado Silverado is their sort of mainstream pickup truck

01:17:24   Ford has beat them to this announcement with the f-150 lightning

01:17:27   But Chevy's is not for sale for another year and at first you can get the base truck

01:17:34   Which is like nothing in it for that's about 40 grand. It's too much for a base truck

01:17:38   But the first ones that most people will want is the first edition at a hundred and five thousand dollars

01:17:45   And then they will fill in the middle of the range

01:17:49   after that. And look, I want electric trucks to be a thing. Like, I have a reservation for a

01:17:56   Lightning and I really hope I get to use that reservation at some point in the future.

01:18:00   That's the full at F-150, right?

01:18:02   Yes. This is the... And there's problems with the way Ford's doing it that I've written about, but

01:18:07   your first one being $105,000 a year away is, I mean, it's effectively vaporware at this point.

01:18:16   and 105 grand for a pickup truck is bananas, even if it is electric. So it was disappointing.

01:18:23   I wanted Chevy to come out swinging because it'd be good for the whole industry, but they

01:18:28   haven't done it yet.

01:18:29   What is a Silverado?

01:18:31   It's the name of the truck. I think Silverado is a place.

01:18:35   The look up...

01:18:36   It's like El Dorado, but it's silver instead of gold.

01:18:40   The lookup feature of Mac OS tells me that Silverado is a 1985 American Western film

01:18:46   produced by Lawrence Kasdan. Silverado just never, it never sounds right when I hear it.

01:18:52   Yeah, it does here to me, but it's been a pickup truck for like 60 years. So, so yeah,

01:18:58   Electric Silverado, thumbs down so far.

01:19:00   Okay, so my expensive thing, so how about I'm going to go TV again because as Steven

01:19:07   said CES is a TV show. A show about TVs. So what about how about $40,000 for a 97 inch OLED TV?

01:19:21   Okay, so big. Okay, so now almost 100 inches, 97 inch OLED TV. It's the LG G2 in the 97 inch flavor.

01:19:35   This is the biggest OLED TV to date. Now, pricing has not officially been announced yet. However,

01:19:42   we have some context. LG previously did an 88-inch TV, and they sold it for about $30,000.

01:19:51   So it was the assumption of the author at this article on CNET that, you know, 97 inches will be

01:20:02   about $40,000, which, you know, first of all, like, I struggle to visualize, like, I look

01:20:10   at my 55-inch TV, it really is huge. I struggle to visualize how bigger 97 inches of television

01:20:19   would be, like, in a physical space. Like, the point why not just go to a movie theater,

01:20:27   right? Like, it's like...

01:20:28   It's a lot, right? It's a lot of TV.

01:20:29   That's a lot of TV and also $40,000. You could buy a car with that, you know,

01:20:35   very good car with that kind of money.

01:20:36   Not an electric Silverado.

01:20:37   Not the Silverado, but sure. And so that would be, that would be my,

01:20:42   my, you know, my thing here, $40,000.

01:20:45   Never going to get that kind of television, but it exists.

01:20:48   Some people will get it, you know,

01:20:51   those who really are making a buck with NFTs and Web3, I assume,

01:20:56   But it's nice. LG G297 inch OLED.

01:21:02   This article reminded me that LG announced their 42 inch OLED this year as well.

01:21:08   So they previously, I think both me and Steven have this TV, they announced a 48 inch OLED a few years ago,

01:21:16   which was the smallest OLED. Now they have a 42 inch OLED, which I think is great because TVs can be too big for a lot of places.

01:21:23   and you miss out by not being able to get the best technology.

01:21:27   So I'm pleased that LG continues to shrink down the minimum size of their OLED line.

01:21:32   All right, round three. Things that should not exist.

01:21:36   I'm up first.

01:21:38   Let me introduce you to Ham Ham? Ham Ham? I don't know.

01:21:48   Let's say Ham Ham.

01:21:49   "Hah-mahm."

01:21:50   Roughly translated, that means gentle bite.

01:21:54   Apparently, some people like the feeling of having their fingers nibbled on.

01:21:59   Fingles?

01:21:59   No.

01:22:00   They're fingies.

01:22:01   Fingey nibbles.

01:22:04   No, wait, stop right there.

01:22:06   Some people like that.

01:22:07   Fingey nibs.

01:22:08   Fingey...

01:22:09   Fingey nibs.

01:22:11   I mean, what I'll say is...

01:22:14   No.

01:22:15   I've never had that.

01:22:18   Doesn't mean I wouldn't like it.

01:22:20   No!

01:22:22   Okay.

01:22:24   Oh my god, this website is so good.

01:22:26   A nibbling mouth, insert your finger here and oh, it feels good.

01:22:31   Yes, get play bitten.

01:22:33   I'm just saying there are other things that you could potentially enjoy, you know,

01:22:40   other than having a, you know, having your fingers nibbled.

01:22:45   There's a whole world of experiences.

01:22:47   "I want to float in the $8,000 bathtub,

01:22:49   "but you don't see me complaining."

01:22:52   But this is--

01:22:54   - It's a very troubling image.

01:22:55   - It's a very troubling everything.

01:22:58   This is a, I think the article I said calls it a robot.

01:23:02   It's not really a robot.

01:23:03   I don't think it, I'll leave that up to John and Jason

01:23:06   to define if this is a robot or not.

01:23:07   - Wait a second, there's a longer description that we missed.

01:23:10   - Okay, please read it.

01:23:11   - The charming gesture where pets and babies

01:23:15   gently nibble your finger with their small teeth.

01:23:18   Mm, okay.

01:23:19   Line break, sadly.

01:23:22   You need to harden your heart

01:23:24   and scold them for this act.

01:23:27   Do you?

01:23:28   Do you?

01:23:30   Yeah, you don't want your kid biting.

01:23:33   You like your...

01:23:34   What, like just a little nib?

01:23:36   No, 'cause then they bite a kid in school

01:23:38   and then you're told that.

01:23:39   On your fingies.

01:23:40   Little fingy nibs.

01:23:41   On your fingies.

01:23:42   Fingy nib.

01:23:43   I think I want one of these.

01:23:46   I want to try it now.

01:23:47   - Federico, you gotta finish it.

01:23:49   - Oh yeah, it's a poem.

01:23:50   You didn't finish it.

01:23:51   - Amagami hum hum.

01:23:53   - Finish it?

01:23:56   - Amagami hum hum.

01:23:58   Freeze, freeze all humanity from such dilemmas.

01:24:06   - Such dilemmas.

01:24:08   You know, not just this one, but things also like this one.

01:24:11   I mean, I guess you would have the kind of dilemma,

01:24:13   like do I want to scold my kids

01:24:16   or do I want to have my finger nibbled on?

01:24:20   - If this thing was available to buy,

01:24:22   I would buy one right now

01:24:23   so I could let you know what it's like.

01:24:25   But it's not available. - The person on the website

01:24:27   says they're a PhD.

01:24:28   - Yeah, they know.

01:24:30   - Advanced telecommunications research.

01:24:33   - Ah, not in, not in.

01:24:35   - They're nibbling PhD.

01:24:37   - I'm a doctor of nibs.

01:24:40   - In nibble, I'm a doctor in nibbleology.

01:24:44   - Yeah, from the school of nibble.

01:24:46   (laughing)

01:24:48   - In nibble science.

01:24:49   - So if you're into play biting,

01:24:52   but you don't want your kids or your pet to do it,

01:24:54   you can pick this thing up.

01:24:55   - I want one.

01:24:56   - And I feel like humanity has other things

01:25:00   we could be working on.

01:25:01   - I think frankly, Stephen, you failed at this category.

01:25:04   This clearly should exist because humanity needs it.

01:25:07   - Well, we have to, we've all hardened our hearts, Myke.

01:25:10   Well, I haven't. Federico, would you want to complete the trifecta of televisions?

01:25:15   Yes. Oh, I just realized it was a TV show.

01:25:20   So, as we said, CES is a TV show.

01:25:24   A thing that shouldn't exist, if you ask me, is the Samsung NFT TV.

01:25:31   So, I'm just going to read you a couple of quotes from the story.

01:25:36   So this article from The Verge is about this Samsung announcing, promising this groundbreaking

01:25:44   new feature for one of their televisions, NFT support, where you will be able, according

01:25:49   to The Verge, to learn about an NFT's blockchain history from the comfort of your couch.

01:25:56   Let's see, there was a quote that I meant to save here, and it said "With demand for

01:26:04   NFTs on the rise, the need for a solution to today's fragmented viewing and purchasing

01:26:09   landscape has never been greater," Samsung said in a press release.

01:26:14   Because what we know is, NFTs, it's all about centralizing, right? You don't want to decentralize

01:26:22   the landscape. You don't want to fragment. We must centralize the landscape and seize

01:26:27   the means of production. Samsung is introducing the words first.

01:26:34   TV, screen-based, NFT explorer and marketplace aggregator, a groundbreaking platform that

01:26:43   lets you browse, purchase and display your favorite art, all in one place.

01:26:49   This is ridiculous to me.

01:26:50   I tell you what I find ridiculous about this, and I don't find it completely ridiculous,

01:26:54   I feel like you two would just like find it completely ridiculous.

01:26:57   The thing that I don't like about this is why does Samsung need to be in the business

01:27:00   of selling the NFTs?

01:27:02   I think the idea of like, look, if you own NFTs, right, if that's the thing that you

01:27:06   care about, like, you know, that's your business. The idea of being able to display those NFTs

01:27:12   on your television, like art in a frame, that's, you know, like I understand that. My issue

01:27:18   here is that Samsung feel the need to make themselves the NFT buying platform. And it's

01:27:24   like, no, no, Samsung, calm down a little bit, take a step back. Just let people like

01:27:29   look at their art on their television, you know?

01:27:31   It's just like, oh no, Samsung,

01:27:33   we need to be the place that you buy the NFTs.

01:27:36   Like that's, I don't know, I find it stupid.

01:27:39   - I mean, it's like if, for instance,

01:27:41   there was a popular word game,

01:27:43   and you made some sort of shortcut

01:27:46   to get on board the hype train.

01:27:48   (laughing)

01:27:50   - You should just get back to nibbles and baths.

01:27:58   That's what you should do.

01:28:00   - Yeah, I've realized that two of my three

01:28:02   are about, you know, softening my heart and my skin, I guess.

01:28:07   - Any retorts Federico?

01:28:09   - No, no, I was just, I'm still thinking about that robot.

01:28:13   And I also wanted to tell you that you will be able

01:28:17   to display an NFT's blockchain metadata on your TV.

01:28:22   - Now you see that part?

01:28:24   Who, who wants that?

01:28:26   Hey, there are some people out there who are really into this farce right now.

01:28:33   Oh man.

01:28:34   So, you gotta respect them.

01:28:37   I like this show and it was just about nibbling.

01:28:40   BMW's E-ink car.

01:28:45   This is quintessential CES to me.

01:28:47   I have identified the only place this can be used.

01:28:50   Okay.

01:28:51   In a James Bond movie.

01:28:53   James Bond would want this, right?

01:28:55   he could change the color of his car at any moment from black to white or gray.

01:29:01   I just had a realization that the next James Bond movie is gonna be about

01:29:04   stolen NFTs. I hope not. I really hope not. Don't talk about that. No time to render.

01:29:11   That's good. I like it. So if you own BMWs, E-N-Cars, which is also a concept, you can

01:29:17   choose between the incredible options of white, gray, or black for the color of

01:29:22   of your car.

01:29:23   I know what Casey would choose.

01:29:25   I feel like the chance of this ever realistically changing in the future would be slim, right?

01:29:32   Because the idea of there being colour that would be good enough through e-ink that you'd

01:29:36   want it in your car wouldn't be a thing.

01:29:39   Also I don't even think this would be legal because on the car's registration you have

01:29:43   to state the colour, right?

01:29:44   Yes, and if you change the colour of a vehicle, at least in most states here, I believe you

01:29:49   have to let the registration people like know. You just have three registration documents?

01:29:56   Yeah. BMW says that this technology could be better for efficiency as white and black could

01:30:04   affect you know how a car would heat and cool right because you've got like white and black

01:30:08   reflect or or the opposite of reflect heat. This feels like a pure post rationalization to me.

01:30:15   Like they're like hey do you want to make an e-ink car? Yeah great what can we say it does?

01:30:19   heat efficiency, sure let's go for it. Someone core engineering. This is, I don't know, this

01:30:27   is just like pure CES bait, this one, right? This is like pure like, hey what does it do?

01:30:34   Oh well it's like, you know the Kindle, it's like that but the whole car. Great. Cool.

01:30:40   Someone smeared a Kindle screen all over your BMW. Yeah. Like genuinely this would be like,

01:30:46   Honestly, when I was like, yeah, you could imagine this in a James Bond movie, right?

01:30:50   That like, his car can change color.

01:30:53   And it would be kind of cool, and it would be cool that the technology would actually

01:30:56   be real, which is like a fun thing, because like most of the time, the technology is not

01:31:01   real, but this would work, but.

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01:31:34   Myke Myke is the host of a bunch of other shows here on relay FM Myke. You got anything to plug this week?

01:31:40   Cottexmerch.com, go and buy a theme system journal. 'Tis the time. 'Tis the season.

01:31:46   That's what I'll plug. You can find Federico online at Vitichi, V-I-T-I-C-C-I. He's the

01:31:53   editor-in-chief of MaxStories.net. Federico, what are you up to? We are working on something

01:32:00   kind of special for the end of January at Max Stories. It's gonna be fun, something

01:32:05   that were never done before. This is the first time, sort of like a NFT. Nibble round-up.

01:32:12   Okay, so what if, hear me out, hear me out, okay? NFTs and shortcuts. That's my pitch.

01:32:18   If you mean, if you did that, you would make some money. You could mint, you could mint,

01:32:23   music bot, your most popular shortcuts. You could do that. I could, but no. So, I mean,

01:32:32   If you need to buy a really expensive bathtub, for a friend, you know, for a friend, that's

01:32:40   the way that you could do that.

01:32:41   I would rather have all my fingers nibbled on than do that.

01:32:46   We can make that happen for you for the low, low price.

01:32:50   Probably a thousand.

01:32:51   We get like, I don't know how much the nibble robot costs.

01:32:53   No, it needs to be done in person.

01:32:55   Needs to be done in person.

01:32:57   Like in the flesh.

01:32:58   All right.

01:32:59   I mean, that's a different thing at that point.

01:33:01   This is how Steven wields his annual championship.

01:33:05   Someone has to nibble someone else.

01:33:09   Can you know how much the nibble thing costs?

01:33:13   No, I didn't see it.

01:33:15   Get it done by a friend at that point, you know?

01:33:18   You know, friends with nibbly benefits.

01:33:21   In a time of need, in a time of need, I would sacrifice myself.

01:33:25   You can find me on Twitter as ismh. I write over at 512pixels.net.

01:33:30   And I put a video out this morning about the worst iPod nano. Amazing people, very angry.

01:33:35   I shared the same, I think it was Sean in the Discord,

01:33:39   we shared the same thought of when I saw the video, remembering that that iPod had existed.

01:33:45   I had forgotten about that iPod nano until I saw the image, the thumbnail.

01:33:53   People are upset they think it's a good iPod, it's not.

01:33:55   I changed the title anyways because it was getting ratioed into oblivion with the downvotes.

01:33:59   Oh wow, that's such a strange... what a weird hill to die on.

01:34:03   I know, pick a good hill to die on.

01:34:05   Wait, were people like disliking the video because what did you call it?

01:34:09   The worst iPod nano? And so now it says the weirdest nano ever.

01:34:13   How dare you say this is the weirdest nano?

01:34:15   To be fair, is it weirder than the chunky nano?

01:34:19   Yeah, because it had a screen and a click wheel.

01:34:21   This thing has bizarre.

01:34:23   Go watch the video.

01:34:24   It's just like a tour of the features.

01:34:26   It's very strange.

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01:34:38   Until next week, guys, say goodbye.

01:34:40   - Bye, we love you.

01:34:41   - Cheerio.