Connected

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00:00:08 ◼   ► Hello and welcome to Connected, episode 363.

00:00:12 ◼   ► This time it's made possible from our sponsors, Squarespace, FitBod, Pingdom, and ExpressVPN.

00:00:18 ◼   ► My name is Stephen Hackett and I am joined by Mr. Myke Hurley.

00:00:22 ◼   ► His Royal Highness the Consolidated Champion welcomes you to the Rickeys.

00:00:28 ◼   ► Wow.

00:00:29 ◼   ► Federico, can you beat that?

00:00:30 ◼   ► - Ciao.

00:00:33 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:00:35 ◼   ► I'm here.

00:00:38 ◼   ► I'm also here.

00:00:39 ◼   ► So that's all you need.

00:00:40 ◼   ► - We're recording this the day after Apple's big

00:00:43 ◼   ► California streaming event.

00:00:44 ◼   ► We'll be judging our picks last week

00:00:47 ◼   ► and talking about the news as we go through.

00:00:50 ◼   ► But we've got a couple of pieces of follow-up first.

00:00:52 ◼   ► Federico, do you want to tell us

00:00:53 ◼   ► about this CloudKit shortcut story?

00:00:56 ◼   ► Because it is amazing.

00:00:58 ◼   ► I got hacked. That's what happened. The whole world got hacked. Yes. Well, not me specifically,

00:01:04 ◼   ► but also me specifically. So there's this story by Franz Rosen. I'm sorry if I'm mispronouncing

00:01:12 ◼   ► your name on the detectify blog where Franz explains how a security vulnerability in CloudKit

00:01:22 ◼   ► them to "accidentally" (I mean, France was looking for it, sure enough)

00:01:28 ◼   ► allowed France to accidentally delete records on CloudKit, so on Apple's CloudKit servers,

00:01:35 ◼   ► for Apple news articles, channels, and most importantly, every shortcut ever shared publicly

00:01:44 ◼   ► on iCloud.com. So this story goes very much into the details of the whole ordeal here.

00:01:52 ◼   ► Essentially, France figured out how to interact with the CloudKit API to delete records,

00:02:01 ◼   ► which obviously shouldn't be possible. And it's very technical. France was awarded a reward,

00:02:10 ◼   ► multiple rewards, actually, through the Apple security, what's it called, the bug bounty

00:02:14 ◼   ► program? The bug bounty program, yeah. So that's awesome. This happened back in March.

00:02:19 ◼   ► You may remember, we talked about this on the show, how all of a sudden, all...

00:02:25 ◼   ► Well, I noticed because of my shortcuts, and then it became clear that it was a problem with

00:02:30 ◼   ► every shortcut by anyone, every icode.com link to a public shortcut was no longer working.

00:02:39 ◼   ► And initially we suspected, oh, Apple is shutting down sharing for shortcuts.

00:02:44 ◼   ► And we got very concerned, because just a week before, we had talked about the possibility of

00:02:51 ◼   ► Apple closing down the ability to share shortcuts. Then Apple sort of sent us a statement saying,

00:02:57 ◼   ► "We are aware of this problem, we are working to fix it." And slowly but surely, every shortcut

00:03:02 ◼   ► came back. This happened back in March. So it's been six months, and France now published the

00:03:08 ◼   ► details. It's my understanding that this is sort of the best practice in these cases,

00:03:14 ◼   ► like wait a while until the bug is fixed and then you can publish your post-mortem of the

00:03:20 ◼   ► whole story. Fascinating, right?

00:03:23 ◼   ► Make sure it's fixed, right?

00:03:25 ◼   ► Yeah, exactly.

00:03:26 ◼   ► Maybe it's your responsibility to, even if Apple say it's fixed, see if you can do it

00:03:32 ◼   ► again I guess might be part of it? I don't know.

00:03:35 ◼   ► Yeah, and in this story, again, there's all kinds of technical details and France documents,

00:03:41 ◼   ► how they were able to interact with CloudKit zones and delete records and all of that,

00:03:48 ◼   ► but there's also a public response section where you can see all my tweets about my shortcut

00:03:55 ◼   ► links no longer working. That was March 24, so about six months ago, and then of course

00:04:03 ◼   ► we know that the shortcuts came back, but now we know how the story went. It wasn't

00:04:08 ◼   ► a bug, it was someone who was able to, again, accidentally delete all of the shortcuts from

00:04:15 ◼   ► Apple servers. So, fun story, for sure.

00:04:21 ◼   ► But we've got to get to the biggest news of the week. Biggest news, can't get any bigger.

00:04:26 ◼   ► Nintendo Switch has been updated with the ability to pair Bluetooth headphones.

00:04:31 ◼   ► - Four years. - This is kind of unbelievable.

00:04:34 ◼   ► So four years the Nintendo Switch has been available.

00:04:37 ◼   ► In case you didn't know,

00:04:37 ◼   ► you could not pair Bluetooth headphones to it.

00:04:40 ◼   ► It just was not a thing that was possible.

00:04:42 ◼   ► And we'd all just naturally assumed

00:04:45 ◼   ► that because you could not do this,

00:04:47 ◼   ► that Nintendo just didn't have the right hardware.

00:04:50 ◼   ► And then when the Switch OLED was shown off,

00:04:53 ◼   ► we were like, "Oh great, finally, oh no,

00:04:55 ◼   ► "still no Bluetooth headphones."

00:04:57 ◼   ► But now all of a sudden, just out of nowhere,

00:05:00 ◼   ► There is a new version of the Nintendo Switch operating system,

00:05:04 ◼   ► which enables the support with some caveats,

00:05:07 ◼   ► but they're mostly fine,

00:05:09 ◼   ► for you to be able to pair Bluetooth headphones

00:05:11 ◼   ► like your AirPods to your Nintendo Switch,

00:05:13 ◼   ► and you can finally play without a wire.

00:05:15 ◼   ► Incredible.

00:05:16 ◼   ► Biggest news, nothing's gonna top it this week.

00:05:19 ◼   ► - It was here the whole time.

00:05:21 ◼   ► It was software, and they just waited four years.

00:05:24 ◼   ► - Four years.

00:05:26 ◼   ► - To make it happen. - Why?

00:05:28 ◼   ► - Because it's Nintendo. - I think it's Nintendo.

00:05:30 ◼   ► This is what they do! This is a #WeirdNintendoDecision, which is like, this is a thing, it's a meme,

00:05:36 ◼   ► it is a WND, a weird Nintendo decision. This is what they do.

00:05:42 ◼   ► And you know what I'm gonna do, I'm gonna be a real fancy boy, and I'm gonna use my

00:05:46 ◼   ► nothing ear earbuds. Oh! With my Nintendo Switch. These are gonna be my Nintendo Switch

00:05:53 ◼   ► earbuds, yes. You have to get one of those like, Joy-Con case replacements, so you make

00:05:58 ◼   ► it clear you know and then you've got like all the clear tech I'm gonna be so

00:06:02 ◼   ► hype man you have no idea I'm gonna have my clear joy cons and my nothing earbuds

00:06:07 ◼   ► and I'm gonna play on the switch OLED and I'm gonna play Metroid so you can't

00:06:12 ◼   ► switch you can switch yeah that was the quietest yes I've ever heard well

00:06:21 ◼   ► because you're not no I'm not no you're not why no it's

00:06:27 ◼   ► It's because I don't play it handheld.

00:06:29 ◼   ► Ah, yes, yes, yes.

00:06:31 ◼   ► So it's kind of pointless for me.

00:06:33 ◼   ► We talked about this, yes.

00:06:35 ◼   ► We talked about this.

00:06:37 ◼   ► I have it reserved at my friend's video game shop.

00:06:41 ◼   ► In fact, I hope I'll be able to get it a little sooner. We'll see.

00:06:45 ◼   ► Mmm.

00:06:47 ◼   ► You know, grease the palm and all that.

00:06:49 ◼   ► Mm-hmm.

00:06:51 ◼   ► So.

00:06:53 ◼   ► Okay, we can get back to some other stuff now.

00:06:55 ◼   ► Let's go from that to talk about st. Jude. Okay. How does that sound? That sounds great during the month of September?

00:07:02 ◼   ► We are raising money for st. Jude Children's Research Hospital. We do this every year because

00:07:07 ◼   ► My son like so many other children has been affected by pediatric cancer

00:07:12 ◼   ► He was diagnosed with the brain tumor as an infant. He's getting ready to be 13 and he's doing very very well

00:07:18 ◼   ► And that's thanks to the hard work of the women and men at st. Jude Children's Research Hospital

00:07:24 ◼   ► They've treated my son like every other son and that means that they have never charged me a dime for care if we have to

00:07:30 ◼   ► Travel if we need meals

00:07:32 ◼   ► It's all paid for and it's made possible because people out there in the world like you right now listening to my voice

00:07:38 ◼   ► You go to web pages like st

00:07:41 ◼   ► Jude org slash relay and you donate and a bunch of you have already done this has been an amazing campaign

00:07:46 ◼   ► We have blown past our original goal and we are well on the way to

00:07:51 ◼   ► $2,000 this year for the kids of st. Jude and we're gonna keep going all month. We're gonna keep talking about this

00:07:57 ◼   ► But Friday is something very special Myke. Why don't you tell people what we're doing in a couple of days?

00:08:03 ◼   ► Friday the 17th of September from 12 to 8 p.m

00:08:07 ◼   ► Eastern time a full 8 hours of live streamed content at twitch.tv slash relay FM

00:08:14 ◼   ► It is the third annual podcast. A thon for st. Jude. I'm here in London. I have a gazebo set up

00:08:21 ◼   ► It's full of balloons already!

00:08:23 ◼   ► Steven's gonna be in Memphis, he's got a studio, he has a baseball bat.

00:08:28 ◼   ► What could it mean? We've been posting some stuff, we've got some bananas things going on,

00:08:33 ◼   ► tons of Relay FM hosts are going to be joining us. We've got games, we have interviews, we have

00:08:40 ◼   ► more content than I think we can even fit into the eight hours we have scheduled.

00:08:45 ◼   ► Bigger, better, badder in the cool way than ever. That is the third annual Podcast of Time for

00:08:50 ◼   ► St. Jude happening this Friday September 17th from 12 to 8 p.m. US Eastern Time

00:08:56 ◼   ► at twitch.tv/relayfm. Do not miss it. I have a question about batter in the

00:09:03 ◼   ► good way. Yeah. I mean do you think we're old now? Well give me another word bigger

00:09:09 ◼   ► better what? I don't know. Bolder? More lit. No because it's gonna be a B. Do you not

00:09:15 ◼   ► understand? Illiteration. Bigger, better, brighter. No. Bigger, better, bigger. Biggest. Bigger, biggest,

00:09:29 ◼   ► bigger-est. I don't know. Bigger, better, Breton. Okay. No. See? Batter. Batter was fine.

00:09:42 ◼   ► yeah this is hard words are hard but please join us on Friday it's eight

00:09:49 ◼   ► hours if you need to come and go we totally understand if you can't make it

00:09:52 ◼   ► on Friday it will be on video on demand on the relay twitch page for a while and

00:09:56 ◼   ► then it will also be on the relay YouTube channel for all time so if you

00:10:01 ◼   ► can't make it you should especially donate yes yeah you can apologize to us

00:10:06 ◼   ► for not making the live stream by donating yes we will take your apology

00:10:11 ◼   ► in cash for St. Jude. And if you're buying a new phone or a new iPad or both if you're like Federico,

00:10:17 ◼   ► you can also cleanse your your palette of that by donating. Just basically find whatever excuse

00:10:23 ◼   ► you can and go to stjude.org/relay and donate some money. Yes please and thank you. All right,

00:10:29 ◼   ► we got a big we got a big show y'all. There's just so much stuff. We got phones and iPads and we have

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00:12:40 ◼   ► Please stand no, I

00:12:46 ◼   ► Don't have I don't have the energy to stand. I'm sorry

00:12:50 ◼   ► I don't think I can stand with my current of configuration.

00:12:54 ◼   ► Okay.

00:12:55 ◼   ► I, if I stand, this desk is going over.

00:12:58 ◼   ► I'm like pinned in here, man.

00:13:00 ◼   ► Well, we will all just, um...

00:13:02 ◼   ► Pretend to stand?

00:13:03 ◼   ► We'll stand in spirit.

00:13:04 ◼   ► We'll stand in spirit.

00:13:06 ◼   ► The Bill of Rickies.

00:13:10 ◼   ► Last amended September 8th, 2021.

00:13:14 ◼   ► Past results can be seen at Rickies.co and Rickies.net.

00:13:18 ◼   ► There are two types of rookies, annual rookies and keynote rookies.

00:13:25 ◼   ► The winner of the annual rookies is named the annual chairman and retains the rights

00:13:29 ◼   ► to the corresponding Twitter account for the full year.

00:13:32 ◼   ► This position is awarded every January.

00:13:35 ◼   ► The keynote rookies winner is named the keynote chairman and retains the rights to the corresponding

00:13:40 ◼   ► Twitter account until the next keynote is held.

00:13:43 ◼   ► Order for the annual rookies is based on the winner of the previous year, while order for

00:13:47 ◼   ► the keynote rickies is based on the previous Apple event. The loser goes last.

00:13:53 ◼   ► To earn any points everything written down in the prediction document must

00:13:57 ◼   ► come true, no half points may be awarded in any round, and picks cannot be reused.

00:14:03 ◼   ► One point is awarded for any pick deemed correct in the first two rounds, two

00:14:08 ◼   ► points will be awarded for the correct picks in the risky pick round. If your

00:14:13 ◼   ► risky pick is wrong you will lose a point. The two other hosts must agree

00:14:18 ◼   ► that your pick is "risky". For keynote rookies the scoring window starts when

00:14:23 ◼   ► the event begins and closes when the picks are scored which is basically now.

00:14:29 ◼   ► The winner of the regular and risky picks must be granted access to the

00:14:34 ◼   ► annual or event chairman Twitter account and will retain access until another

00:14:38 ◼   ► winner is named.

00:14:40 ◼   ► [Music]

00:14:45 ◼   ► I'm going to read the flexies later. I think we need to divide it up this time.

00:14:47 ◼   ► Yeah, that's a good idea to read those later on.

00:14:49 ◼   ► So those are the rules. Are there any...

00:14:51 ◼   ► Mm-hmm.

00:14:52 ◼   ► Well, we can't make changes. We have to make changes next time we make picks.

00:14:54 ◼   ► Yeah, you have some proposed changes, right?

00:14:57 ◼   ► Yes, but they'll wait until the Mac event, assumedly.

00:14:59 ◼   ► Yeah, all right. That's fine.

00:15:01 ◼   ► Okay, you can follow along. There are scorecards at rickys.co.

00:15:05 ◼   ► There are some links in the show notes if you want to go see those.

00:15:09 ◼   ► I've noticed yet another incredible detail about rikis.co. Currently the

00:15:14 ◼   ► scorecard is set to live because we are recording live. Wow, really? Yeah so there's a

00:15:21 ◼   ► little red button. Should we acquire rikis.co? Can ReadAFM acquire websites?

00:15:28 ◼   ► Yeah but that seems like a lot of things to do. Because then we have to

00:15:34 ◼   ► direct it and I don't want to do that because I don't think I'm this like creative.

00:15:39 ◼   ► Well, we also we need oversight in our elections and this website provides outside an outside

00:15:52 ◼   ► view into the process so I think it's good that it's an independent agency.

00:15:57 ◼   ► We should not own the means of production is what you're saying.

00:16:01 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean you could say that if you wanted to use that exact language.

00:16:05 ◼   ► I'm sure that's fine.

00:16:08 ◼   ► It's never caused problems anywhere in the world.

00:16:11 ◼   ► Shall we go to round one?

00:16:14 ◼   ► Yes.

00:16:15 ◼   ► Michael Hurley, you went first because you are the keynote chairman.

00:16:20 ◼   ► Okay, before we do this...

00:16:22 ◼   ► His Royal Highness to consolidate a keynote chairman.

00:16:24 ◼   ► Whatever.

00:16:25 ◼   ► Before we do that, some people were a little confused around some of the language, and

00:16:28 ◼   ► I'm not suggesting a rule change.

00:16:29 ◼   ► I'm just gonna explain what some of the words mean and if we feel like it needs to be real change in the future we

00:16:33 ◼   ► can do that so

00:16:34 ◼   ► The game is called the Ricky's that's the overarching name of this game where we make picks and then we judge them

00:16:41 ◼   ► And there's a winner. Mm-hmm two chairman that's in the rules you win depending on the types of pick

00:16:47 ◼   ► They are the risky picks is the third round me

00:16:52 ◼   ► Mispronouncing risky picks is how the Ricky's got its name. Yes, and so

00:16:59 ◼   ► The Ricky's are the game risky picks are just the specific round. So hopefully that is

00:17:05 ◼   ► Round one around two or regular picks round three is the risky pick right or the risky's

00:17:10 ◼   ► Or the Ricky's okay. Unfortunately, we are pretty bad and sometimes called a risky pick a Ricky pick and that's just yeah

00:17:18 ◼   ► It's a it's a it's a slip of the tongue, you know

00:17:20 ◼   ► Ricky's in my heart. So Myke round one you're up first at least one iPhone gets a

00:17:28 ◼   ► - 120 hertz refresh rate display.

00:17:30 ◼   ► (bell dings)

00:17:32 ◼   ► I realize now that it was silly of me

00:17:34 ◼   ► to put the actual thing.

00:17:37 ◼   ► - I think we talked about it.

00:17:38 ◼   ► - As soon as I read that, I don't remember talking about it,

00:17:41 ◼   ► but there you go, passion.

00:17:42 ◼   ► But it's happened in ProMotion, I think.

00:17:45 ◼   ► What does it go all the way down to something like 24?

00:17:47 ◼   ► - 10. - 10.

00:17:48 ◼   ► - 10.

00:17:49 ◼   ► 10 to 120, that's what we're dealing with.

00:17:52 ◼   ► I'm super excited about this, I've wanted it for years.

00:17:56 ◼   ► This is gonna be one of those things,

00:17:57 ◼   ► I guess we just have to wait and see, right?

00:17:59 ◼   ► Like, it can't be demoed.

00:18:00 ◼   ► And I'm just really intrigued to see

00:18:03 ◼   ► what an iPhone is gonna look like

00:18:05 ◼   ► with this kind of display.

00:18:06 ◼   ► - We're gonna have a problem here.

00:18:09 ◼   ► - We sure are.

00:18:10 ◼   ► - We are starting with one major problem.

00:18:11 ◼   ► So my first pick was,

00:18:13 ◼   ► there will be a setting to disable higher refresh rate

00:18:16 ◼   ► on at least one of the new iPhones.

00:18:18 ◼   ► Now you may hear Steven not ringing the bell,

00:18:21 ◼   ► and this is where we have a problem.

00:18:24 ◼   ► - We do have a problem, don't we?

00:18:25 ◼   ► - We have a problem here,

00:18:26 ◼   ► because we have no public evidence

00:18:30 ◼   ► of this setting existing.

00:18:32 ◼   ► - Hindsight says this was not a clever pick for us to have

00:18:37 ◼   ► because it was always, like now I think of it,

00:18:40 ◼   ► it was always impossible for this to be proven.

00:18:43 ◼   ► - I mean, even if we had,

00:18:45 ◼   ► so I thought about that this morning,

00:18:46 ◼   ► even if there had been like a regular event with hands-on,

00:18:49 ◼   ► you know, usually like in the before times,

00:18:50 ◼   ► The Verge would have a video or whatever,

00:18:53 ◼   ► Even then, this may not have been possible to prove

00:18:57 ◼   ► unless it showed up in someone's hands-on reporting.

00:19:00 ◼   ► But as of our scoring, there has been no hands-on.

00:19:04 ◼   ► And so, somebody knows this information, but we don't.

00:19:09 ◼   ► Apple hasn't said, I looked through the support documents,

00:19:12 ◼   ► nothing has been updated about promotion in the phone.

00:19:14 ◼   ► - Here's my problem here.

00:19:16 ◼   ► I do know that this setting exists.

00:19:19 ◼   ► it's there in accessibility motion limit frame rate.

00:19:23 ◼   ► I have it on excellent authority that this setting exists.

00:19:27 ◼   ► So if I don't get the point, I feel like I'm being robbed

00:19:31 ◼   ► because this is the truth.

00:19:33 ◼   ► And we are just denying the truth

00:19:35 ◼   ► for the game that we are playing.

00:19:37 ◼   ► - Well, so, but the thing is though,

00:19:41 ◼   ► you gotta be able to prove it, right?

00:19:42 ◼   ► And you can't.

00:19:43 ◼   ► - I am telling you that it exists.

00:19:46 ◼   ► - I believe you.

00:19:48 ◼   ► I know where you have this information.

00:19:50 ◼   ► I believe you, but you can't prove it.

00:19:52 ◼   ► This is the problem.

00:19:53 ◼   ► - This is stupid.

00:19:54 ◼   ► - I don't know what we do here, honestly.

00:19:56 ◼   ► Like I believe you, but I haven't seen it.

00:20:00 ◼   ► None of us have seen it.

00:20:01 ◼   ► It's difficult.

00:20:02 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:20:03 ◼   ► I'm not trying to argue you down here.

00:20:07 ◼   ► I am merely adding to the uncertainty around this.

00:20:11 ◼   ► We're at a constitutional crisis here, a bill crisis, right?

00:20:16 ◼   ► We don't, I mean, again,

00:20:18 ◼   ► we can update the rules again? Maybe! But I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do.

00:20:23 ◼   ► So really the question comes down to do we believe Federico or not?

00:20:29 ◼   ► I believe Federico, yeah. I do too. But is that how we grade things? But by the letter of the law...

00:20:36 ◼   ► Well there isn't. There isn't a law. There is a law. That's the problem. It just says to earn

00:20:43 ◼   ► any points everything written down in the prediction document must come true. Now the way

00:20:47 ◼   ► that we have taken this in the past is by the episode beginning it will be a provable

00:20:52 ◼   ► thing. Unfortunately this is not a provable thing.

00:20:55 ◼   ► Hold on. That's not written down, that's just how we have taken that.

00:20:59 ◼   ► The rule says to earn any points, everything written down in the prediction document must

00:21:05 ◼   ► come true. It doesn't say that it needs to be verifiable. It says it must come true.

00:21:11 ◼   ► Yeah but it doesn't say that it doesn't need to be verifiable. It's not true to the world.

00:21:15 ◼   ► What is the meaning of true then?

00:21:17 ◼   ► Well truth needs to be provable, right?

00:21:21 ◼   ► And we can't prove it.

00:21:24 ◼   ► You know that I...

00:21:25 ◼   ► We can't prove it though!

00:21:27 ◼   ► Like I know what you're saying, but it cannot be proven.

00:21:31 ◼   ► None of us have even seen it.

00:21:33 ◼   ► You've been maybe told it, you haven't seen it.

00:21:36 ◼   ► You know?

00:21:37 ◼   ► I assume.

00:21:38 ◼   ► This is very complicated.

00:21:40 ◼   ► We're in a real issue here.

00:21:41 ◼   ► I don't know what to do.

00:21:43 ◼   ► is this is what happens in a democracy, you know? People try to break the system.

00:21:49 ◼   ► I genuinely feel like whatever we do here, we have to change the rules after

00:21:55 ◼   ► this because of it. Because we have hit on another snag. So, because I think it

00:22:01 ◼   ► should be that like it needs to be publicly available knowledge, right?

00:22:05 ◼   ► That's what we, I think that's what it needs to be post today. I don't know how

00:22:10 ◼   ► we settle today? Here is my recommendation, my suggestion for today.

00:22:15 ◼   ► Okay, Federico gets this point because the rules were not clear enough, but we

00:22:22 ◼   ► need... but I grant my backing for this point only with the understanding that

00:22:27 ◼   ► the rules will be clarified that has to be publicly known by the time we score.

00:22:32 ◼   ► I agree that the rules must be amended to add the publicly verifiable note.

00:22:43 ◼   ► I also agree with the rule amendment, however I have a bias to consider.

00:22:50 ◼   ► It doesn't think I should get the point.

00:22:51 ◼   ► Well, look, here's the thing. I have a feeling about how this could go.

00:22:55 ◼   ► And my chairmanship is what's on the line here, right?

00:22:59 ◼   ► It's not about spoilers, that's the point of what we're doing.

00:23:02 ◼   ► So anybody getting a point other than me is bad for me. I want nobody to get any point

00:23:09 ◼   ► I'm not saying that I'm come I'm suggesting anything here. I am just merely stating

00:23:14 ◼   ► This is where we are

00:23:16 ◼   ► Well, maybe in the spirit of friendship even holy to all that Federico said we weren't friends while we played this game

00:23:22 ◼   ► So I guess I know the window. Here's what I will say

00:23:25 ◼   ► Federico

00:23:27 ◼   ► Mm-hmm. If this was my pick. Hmm. What would you do?

00:23:32 ◼   ► I think it's very challenging because you know the context of how I sent you what I know

00:23:39 ◼   ► Privately, right? Yeah, I know no, but what I'm saying if if this was my pick and I gave you this proof

00:23:48 ◼   ► Hmm, what would you do?

00:23:51 ◼   ► What would your choice be? Would you let me have it?

00:23:55 ◼   ► UWFD.

00:23:57 ◼   ► Puerto Rican.

00:23:58 ◼   ► Well...

00:24:00 ◼   ► Because I feel like I know how you play this game.

00:24:02 ◼   ► I don't know. I feel like I would give you the point because like if you came to me with certain information

00:24:08 ◼   ► Mm-hmm. It's kind of ridiculous. I feel like even if it was you making this kind of argument

00:24:16 ◼   ► Yeah. For a feature that I know exists. Mm-hmm.

00:24:21 ◼   ► I feel like it would kind of suck not to give you the point.

00:24:25 ◼   ► This is why I'm not saying like my feeling on this is you shouldn't get it because if I felt that way I would have

00:24:31 ◼   ► Said that already and we would have moved on right or try I would have tried to move us on

00:24:34 ◼   ► And this is why I'm I'm come I find I'm conflicted here. I'm very conflicted

00:24:41 ◼   ► I'm gonna put in the world the kind of energy I want. I think he gets the point

00:24:45 ◼   ► Agreed. Thank you both, but we need to change the rules. We all agree on this, right?

00:24:52 ◼   ► the rules will change because of this. And I think we need to change them immediately.

00:24:56 ◼   ► This needs to be, like, basically the new rule has to be that it must be publicly verifiable

00:25:02 ◼   ► information. Are we changing that rule right now? I think you need to at least note it for the next

00:25:08 ◼   ► rule change. It is noted with my other comments of things that I want to change, so. Okay. So next

00:25:14 ◼   ► time we do the rule reading we'll address, I think now three amendments. There's four. There's four

00:25:19 ◼   ► amendments now? Okay. Wowzers. October will be fun. I tell you why as well I lean on

00:25:26 ◼   ► this one. Mm-hmm. Because there's precedent for it. If Federico's pick here

00:25:31 ◼   ► was like a brand new thing I would struggle a bit more but because

00:25:36 ◼   ► this setting already exists on the iPad along with what he sent it seems

00:25:41 ◼   ► obvious to me that it's gonna happen so I'm cool with it. But if you would have been

00:25:45 ◼   ► like, oh, the new iPhone has a setting that you can manually adjust the refresh rate yourself

00:25:53 ◼   ► and then you had this proof. I don't know how I would, I feel like I'd want to see it,

00:25:59 ◼   ► you know?

00:26:00 ◼   ► No, it's literally the same setting from the iPad.

00:26:03 ◼   ► And so that's why it's like easier for me to say like, yeah, I believe just with the

00:26:09 ◼   ► little information you have that it exists in the way that you mean it. You know what

00:26:13 ◼   ► I mean?

00:26:14 ◼   ► Yeah, I wish that we could get someone like Steve Moser from MacRumors, someone who has

00:26:21 ◼   ► the firmware file and can look into that setting string, because that should exist, right?

00:26:27 ◼   ► That should exist.

00:26:28 ◼   ► Yeah, but it's fine. I don't think we need it for this. I think this was an obvious pick

00:26:32 ◼   ► to us all in any way, right? Because it's something that exists anyway. And just having

00:26:36 ◼   ► what you have, I think, is more than enough to say that you get it.

00:26:39 ◼   ► All right. Thank you both.

00:26:41 ◼   ► Controversy completed.

00:26:42 ◼   ► Why round one pick?

00:26:44 ◼   ► The Pro iPhone gets a new camera feature the regular iPhone does not get.

00:26:50 ◼   ► Prove it!

00:26:51 ◼   ► You gotta prove it!

00:26:54 ◼   ► What is it?

00:26:55 ◼   ► Macro photography.

00:26:56 ◼   ► Yeah, I know.

00:26:57 ◼   ► You just get loads of things.

00:26:58 ◼   ► Macro photography, the Pro RAW stuff.

00:27:01 ◼   ► ProRes, ProRes, excuse me.

00:27:02 ◼   ► I am super excited about the macro photography.

00:27:07 ◼   ► As someone who has nice cameras and nice lenses, macro photography is not easy.

00:27:11 ◼   ► especially if you and you know like Myke I was thinking about you with your keyboard

00:27:15 ◼   ► stuff you know Federico wanting to show off his dax like you know getting in

00:27:20 ◼   ► there real tight it's gonna be nice I try and I've tried to fake micro

00:27:24 ◼   ► photography with my iPhone a bunch of times like I try and do my best to get

00:27:28 ◼   ► as close as I can and I've wanted it so like I'm into it I'm very excited about

00:27:32 ◼   ► this feature I don't think a lot of people are really gonna use it that much

00:27:35 ◼   ► but I'm really into it also I mistyped it in my notes during the event as

00:27:40 ◼   ► Marco. Marco photography. Marco photography and so that's that's what I'm gonna call it from now on.

00:27:46 ◼   ► What about the cinema mode? Is that what it's called? Cinematic mode? Cinematic mode?

00:27:53 ◼   ► Yeah I think that it's gonna be kind of like portrait mode like it's cool when it works but

00:27:59 ◼   ► when it doesn't it's gonna be real bad. What they showed us even in the example video there's a

00:28:04 ◼   ► couple of times where I felt I think Jason said this too I felt like it didn't do what I would

00:28:09 ◼   ► have done like either it racked too quickly or change focus like it on the

00:28:14 ◼   ► wrong beat and so I think it'll be cool when it works but I'm just not convinced

00:28:19 ◼   ► it's gonna be like the miracle that they say that it is I mean yeah the guy was

00:28:23 ◼   ► like this changes cinematography forever is like no it doesn't like it's a

00:28:26 ◼   ► feature on a phone but it will mean I think that we will see more of that sort

00:28:32 ◼   ► of shot I mean how much stuff on YouTube is just shot on iPhones like a ton of

00:28:35 ◼   ► of stuff. Even our friend Austin uses an iPhone to shoot some of his stuff. And I

00:28:39 ◼   ► think for those applications it'll be a new tool, but I don't think it's as

00:28:44 ◼   ► game-changing as Apple sold it out to be. Is it portrait mode or is it actually

00:28:50 ◼   ► doing something? It's like, is it? Kind of looks like it, right? Because it's like

00:28:55 ◼   ► putting the focus on a subject and the rest as this bokeh effect, sort of. Like,

00:29:00 ◼   ► Like kind of like it's kind of like portrait, but it's obviously been advertised as something

00:29:06 ◼   ► else like, oh, you have the same controls of pro, you know, movie makers in your phone.

00:29:14 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:29:15 ◼   ► It looks cool.

00:29:16 ◼   ► I have a, my concern is that we are, we're going to be, we're going to look stupid using

00:29:23 ◼   ► it.

00:29:24 ◼   ► Like, oh yeah, here's a, I'm making a video and now my dog is in focus and now the tree

00:29:29 ◼   ► is in focus. Like, how am I going to use it? I don't know. I think in the right hands,

00:29:34 ◼   ► it could be this little incredible tool to make like professional looking videos on an

00:29:39 ◼   ► iPhone. I don't think I'm, I'm the right hands for the job, you know?

00:29:44 ◼   ► Yeah. I do like that it's, it's like you can change the focus of the video afterwards.

00:29:50 ◼   ► That's a cool feature. Yeah, that's incredible. Yeah.

00:29:52 ◼   ► I'm excited to see what that looks like. My only hold up on that is they did not demo

00:29:57 ◼   ► that part at all. So I don't know what that's gonna be like. But they just showed it, like

00:30:04 ◼   ► everything they showed was either this is what it's like afterwards or this is what

00:30:07 ◼   ► it's like to shoot it I guess. Yeah. But I do think that's kind of cool. Yeah it'll be

00:30:10 ◼   ► interesting to see and I would imagine too that it could get better with time like portrait

00:30:15 ◼   ► mode has as hardware gets better but also they're doing, again it's not super clear,

00:30:21 ◼   ► but the way they spoke about it is basically they've put in machine learning so like it's

00:30:25 ◼   ► following your eyes and then when you turn it's gonna shift focus to you know

00:30:29 ◼   ► the person behind you whatever and all of that can be better over time and so I

00:30:35 ◼   ► would say even if it's not fantastic now and I don't know if it is or not it

00:30:39 ◼   ► could be a thing where it's a little gimmicky now but you know three four

00:30:43 ◼   ► years from now we like don't even like we just this is how you shoot videos on

00:30:47 ◼   ► the phone because it does such a good job at it so I'm definitely gonna play

00:30:51 ◼   ► with it and try it out when my phone gets in but I don't think it's gonna

00:30:55 ◼   ► change movie making forever. That's what I'm saying. I look forward to all of the

00:30:59 ◼   ► videos of like people using it and then all of a sudden it focuses on an

00:31:04 ◼   ► advertisement of somebody else you know. Oh yeah. They're shooting a video themselves

00:31:08 ◼   ► and then like oh we're just gonna focus on Daniel Craig's face instead. Yeah like

00:31:12 ◼   ► you're walking past a bus stop and it racks focus to the billboard on the bus stop.

00:31:16 ◼   ► Very dramatic. So yeah that and macro mode I think are both I think it's both really

00:31:24 ◼   ► exciting. The macro thing I really, I think out of everything on the new phones, that's

00:31:29 ◼   ► what has me the most excited to play with because that's such a fun, I really enjoy

00:31:33 ◼   ► that sort of method of photography and before now I had to bust out a big lens and big camera

00:31:38 ◼   ► and now if I can just do it, you know, for casual stuff with my phone, like that's gonna

00:31:42 ◼   ► be really cool.

00:31:44 ◼   ► And overall with the, all of the lenses are better, right? On the pro phones especially?

00:31:48 ◼   ► Yeah, the ultra wide seems like it's noticeably better, which is good because it was garbage

00:31:55 ◼   ► town before.

00:31:56 ◼   ► I mean, it does the job, but it's not good enough sometimes in low lighting especially.

00:32:01 ◼   ► Oh yeah, low light it's real like smeary and kind of gross.

00:32:06 ◼   ► But so yeah, that's that's iPhone photography.

00:32:10 ◼   ► The biggest year for iPhone photography ever, something they say every year, but I guess

00:32:14 ◼   ► it's still true.

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00:34:28 ◼   ► Round two.

00:34:30 ◼   ► So my first pick is that the new Apple Silicon MacBook Pro will not be announced at this

00:34:35 ◼   ► event.

00:34:37 ◼   ► I got something to say.

00:34:39 ◼   ► Uh oh.

00:34:41 ◼   ► Is there enough for another event?

00:34:45 ◼   ► Because at the very last minute there were rumors that this would be iPhone and watch

00:34:48 ◼   ► and maybe AirPods and then iPads and Macs would be together later, which is how they've

00:34:53 ◼   ► done it before.

00:34:54 ◼   ► Like in October 18 where we got the new iPad design, the flat edge design, that was Macs

00:34:59 ◼   ► an iPad. Well now they've done iPads. The iPad Air is new, the iPad Pro is new. Like

00:35:04 ◼   ► is there enough, like we're gonna be doing this again in a month? Like I just, we got

00:35:09 ◼   ► done with this event. Macs, Mac OS, Monterey, AirPods, and some services stuff? Yeah maybe

00:35:16 ◼   ► services. I don't know, I'm just, I'm very curious to see how that plays out. You could

00:35:20 ◼   ► do a 45 minute event. I hope so. Show off a couple of Macintosh's. Yeah, I mean I guess

00:35:27 ◼   ► if they've got a MacBook Pro and a higher-end Mac Mini? Maybe a display? If they have a

00:35:32 ◼   ► display there's enough for an event. Maybe a DAC as Matt just said, maybe it's finally

00:35:36 ◼   ► time to release the DAC, you know? Yeah. I think they've got enough to just to do some

00:35:41 ◼   ► Mac stuff. I really do. Like, you know, they made a whole event out of iPads and Apple

00:35:46 ◼   ► Watches. Yeah, like Matt's saying, like, the announcement of the completion of the ARM

00:35:50 ◼   ► transition, they're not even close. Like, there's a big iMac left and there's whatever

00:35:54 ◼   ► the pro thing is and there's no way that stuff's ready they could also they could tease one of them

00:35:59 ◼   ► they could tease a pro machine they could i mean come in next year they teased the iMac pro uh

00:36:05 ◼   ► and the Mac pro both of uh both of them so i think it's that's definitely possible so uh we'll see i

00:36:11 ◼   ► just you know mac only event like i'm for it like sign me up i mean you sound pretty against it to

00:36:16 ◼   ► me i just don't to be honest you say you're for it and you're like how could you fill in an event

00:36:21 ◼   ► for Mac. Boring. That's what I heard you say. I'm pretty sure that's what he said.

00:36:28 ◼   ► Wow. It's like more like Mac No Pal users or something like that. I think

00:36:37 ◼   ► they're gonna do it. I hope so. If they have them, right, which I'm sure they do, like if they have them,

00:36:43 ◼   ► why would you release a new product with a new design any other

00:36:48 ◼   ► way right now. You can just make a video. You haven't got to go to Joshua Tree and stand

00:36:55 ◼   ► on a cliff to show off a MacBook Pro if you don't want to.

00:36:58 ◼   ► And what if Josh isn't home? You can't just like come in his yard.

00:37:01 ◼   ► Exactly. Just sit underneath Joshua's Tree, show your Macintosh.

00:37:07 ◼   ► All right. Federico, you're up next.

00:37:09 ◼   ► This is a boring one, but still. The new iPhones keep the same screen sizes as last year. And

00:37:17 ◼   ► yeah it's you know the same iPhones same screen size what's different the notch

00:37:24 ◼   ► is slightly you know narrower but a bit thicker maybe it's ever so slightly

00:37:32 ◼   ► thicker than before yeah people say taller which I guess is a way to

00:37:38 ◼   ► describe it but it's coming down more right yeah but like the the way in which

00:37:43 ◼   ► it is taller it's like it's very very small but there's been quite a significant reduction

00:37:49 ◼   ► on either side of it so they keep doing it until they get rid of it it's taken a few

00:37:55 ◼   ► years though before them to actually make a significant reduction you know like man

00:38:01 ◼   ► it got to suck to be an iPhone mini fan right now I feel like why is it like it got a camera

00:38:06 ◼   ► update it's got more battery life yeah so the phone that you love got better and then

00:38:11 ◼   ► next year it might not exist anymore.

00:38:13 ◼   ► - I was talking to my wife about that.

00:38:15 ◼   ► She has a mini, I was like, hey, the camera's better

00:38:17 ◼   ► and you get extra hour and a half of battery life.

00:38:19 ◼   ► She was like, sold.

00:38:20 ◼   ► It's the only year for your iPhone upgrade

00:38:23 ◼   ► she's ever wanted.

00:38:24 ◼   ► And then I told her, well, it could be the last mini.

00:38:26 ◼   ► And then she stared at me

00:38:27 ◼   ► as if I had made the decision personally.

00:38:29 ◼   ► - How dare you.

00:38:30 ◼   ► - How dare you, Steven.

00:38:32 ◼   ► But the, yeah, the same screen size thing

00:38:37 ◼   ► with a smaller notch, like I think it'll be a nice little

00:38:39 ◼   ► quality of life improvement.

00:38:41 ◼   ► But the battery life, I think, is the thing you'll feel,

00:38:44 ◼   ► especially on the mini.

00:38:46 ◼   ► - If I would have come last episode and said,

00:38:48 ◼   ► the iPhone 13 Pro Max will have two and a half hours

00:38:52 ◼   ► extra battery life, would you two have accepted that

00:38:54 ◼   ► as a risky pick?

00:38:55 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:38:57 ◼   ► - Maybe. - Maybe.

00:38:58 ◼   ► - It's a big jump to an already very big battery.

00:39:02 ◼   ► - Yeah, I can't wait.

00:39:03 ◼   ► I'm so happy to see that.

00:39:04 ◼   ► - I'm surprised that they did,

00:39:05 ◼   ► they seem to have done two things

00:39:07 ◼   ► and actually called it out.

00:39:08 ◼   ► One of them is they've basically said

00:39:09 ◼   ► they made the batteries bigger.

00:39:11 ◼   ► Like Apple never really talk about that kind of stuff.

00:39:13 ◼   ► Yeah, they said that with both lines, I think like in the presentation,

00:39:17 ◼   ► like it's a combination of efficiency and bigger battery.

00:39:20 ◼   ► And they like showed the like exploded view kind of thing.

00:39:24 ◼   ► I think like an X-ray view is like bigger batteries and potentially more

00:39:28 ◼   ► efficiency. Uh, I think that's great.

00:39:31 ◼   ► I'm super excited about more battery life because this happened a few years ago,

00:39:35 ◼   ► right? We've got a jump like this and everyone was freaking out.

00:39:38 ◼   ► They've done it a couple times and they always talk about it in like one more battery, you know, one more hour of battery life or whatever.

00:39:45 ◼   ► It's interesting, they just keep building it up and up. I mean, we're gonna be at a point where this Pro Max phone just never dies.

00:39:52 ◼   ► I mean, the 12 Pro Max already now is so good on battery life. An extra two and a half hours? Like, it's gonna be a two-day phone for a lot of people.

00:39:59 ◼   ► Battery life, of course, can be achieved with efficiencies in the chip, right? Which makes me think, they didn't really talk about the A15 very much, did they?

00:40:07 ◼   ► No, they didn't. They compared it to things that weren't the A14.

00:40:12 ◼   ► The competition.

00:40:13 ◼   ► The competition.

00:40:14 ◼   ► Do you know the competition?

00:40:15 ◼   ► The competition.

00:40:17 ◼   ► You know, this year I think I'm buying a the competition phone.

00:40:20 ◼   ► Guys.

00:40:21 ◼   ► My favorite was when they were comparing, I think it was the iPad

00:40:27 ◼   ► to the leading Android tablet. What is that?

00:40:30 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:40:31 ◼   ► What is that?

00:40:31 ◼   ► Which one is it?

00:40:32 ◼   ► Tell me. I'd love to know.

00:40:34 ◼   ► It's the competition tablet.

00:40:36 ◼   ► The competition.

00:40:37 ◼   ► The competition is up to no good lately.

00:40:39 ◼   ► The competition.

00:40:40 ◼   ► Because the thing is, the competition isn't helpful because the competition will use the

00:40:44 ◼   ► Snapdragon 888.

00:40:46 ◼   ► And it's different on every single phone, right?

00:40:49 ◼   ► Because manufacturers just prioritize things differently.

00:40:53 ◼   ► So I don't know if they want to say it, just say it.

00:40:56 ◼   ► Like why not just say it?

00:40:58 ◼   ► Oh it's better than the Samsung S21.

00:41:00 ◼   ► Great.

00:41:01 ◼   ► That's what people probably want to know.

00:41:02 ◼   ► Is it better than the A14?

00:41:04 ◼   ► Maybe.

00:41:05 ◼   ► Maybe! Don't worry about that. We don't compete with ourselves. That's right. That chip is

00:41:10 ◼   ► dead to us. We're moving forward. Never mind us and all the Macs. Yeah. Not that like any

00:41:15 ◼   ► of us really feel like, "Oh, you've got to have massive performance." No. Because like,

00:41:20 ◼   ► my iPhone is not like hungry for performance, you know? No. But it's just funny. It's funny

00:41:27 ◼   ► when they do something constantly and then they take like a sharp left turn on that thing

00:41:31 ◼   ► And so like, to people like us,

00:41:33 ◼   ► just like really highlights it, right?

00:41:35 ◼   ► - It was, we'll talk about the iPad,

00:41:37 ◼   ► but it was funny too that they announced the iPad mini

00:41:39 ◼   ► and just like, they didn't mention what chip was in it.

00:41:42 ◼   ► We're all like, "Uh, you forgot something."

00:41:44 ◼   ► And then it came out later, "Oh, it's got the A15."

00:41:46 ◼   ► Like the phone does, but they weren't ready

00:41:48 ◼   ► to spoil the A15 surprise that was happening

00:41:51 ◼   ► 18 minutes later.

00:41:53 ◼   ► I guess you don't want to repeat last year.

00:41:54 ◼   ► - Yeah, do you remember when they did that

00:41:55 ◼   ► with the iPad Air?

00:41:57 ◼   ► Like when they actually had to--

00:41:58 ◼   ► - Exactly.

00:41:59 ◼   ► - Like it was like, it had the chip first.

00:42:00 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:42:01 ◼   ► like it's maybe for the mini is not important also it's like a little bit odd with the mini because now

00:42:05 ◼   ► the ipad mini has potentially better specs than the ipad air it does which is not the first time

00:42:14 ◼   ► that's happened for the ipad mini right like that it's been more powerful than the larger ipad or

00:42:19 ◼   ► has been the same power yeah they bump it up and then then they walk away for four years so that's

00:42:25 ◼   ► True. Yeah. So good job, Federico. I don't know how we ended up where we are, but iPhone screen size.

00:42:30 ◼   ► Same. My pick. The Apple Watch. This one feels good. This one feels good. Look, we told you.

00:42:38 ◼   ► The Apple Watch SE gets a price cut. They didn't cut it at all! I was convinced that you had graded

00:42:47 ◼   ► this wrong in the document. And so I went to look. They didn't change the price at all.

00:42:54 ◼   ► And the S3 is still on sale!

00:42:56 ◼   ► Still around!

00:42:57 ◼   ► What are you doing?

00:42:58 ◼   ► I can't believe they'd not even ten dollars, right?

00:43:03 ◼   ► Like nothing.

00:43:04 ◼   ► I think it was James Thompson or maybe STS.

00:43:06 ◼   ► Someone tweeted like there are now six Apple Watch screen sizes to contend with.

00:43:12 ◼   ► I was like oh no!

00:43:13 ◼   ► Oh, oh that's bad.

00:43:15 ◼   ► Because there's the three, there's the SE which is the four, five, six size,

00:43:19 ◼   ► and then there's the two sizes of seven.

00:43:21 ◼   ► It's like you've made it worse Apple.

00:43:23 ◼   ► I just hope SwiftUI is doing its job then.

00:43:26 ◼   ► Seriously.

00:43:27 ◼   ► I don't think it's that simple, even if it is.

00:43:32 ◼   ► Like, you still got to mess around with stuff.

00:43:34 ◼   ► No.

00:43:35 ◼   ► I can't believe it didn't change the price at all.

00:43:36 ◼   ► Like, at all.

00:43:37 ◼   ► I know.

00:43:38 ◼   ► And it was kind of funny because we spent a lot of time on the last episode talking

00:43:43 ◼   ► about...

00:43:44 ◼   ► Because you made your pick, right?

00:43:45 ◼   ► Yes.

00:43:46 ◼   ► The Apple SSC gets a price cut.

00:43:47 ◼   ► And then we basically just had an entire conversation about whether the SC would replace the Series

00:43:51 ◼   ► 3.

00:43:52 ◼   ► had some people write into us, it's like,

00:43:54 ◼   ► "No, you haven't graded it wrong.

00:43:56 ◼   ► "You weren't thinking clearly."

00:43:57 ◼   ► Like, thinking that if the Apple Watch Series 3

00:44:00 ◼   ► is still around, Steven doesn't get the point.

00:44:02 ◼   ► Turns out, nobody needed to worry about that

00:44:04 ◼   ► 'cause they didn't change anything.

00:44:06 ◼   ► - It's really disappointing, and I really thought,

00:44:10 ◼   ► it's like, you're going, I mean,

00:44:11 ◼   ► they always release these in the fall,

00:44:12 ◼   ► but it's like, do the holiday season thing.

00:44:15 ◼   ► You're already so far ahead of the competition,

00:44:18 ◼   ► quote unquote, but yeah, no price cut

00:44:21 ◼   ► on the Apple Watch SE, it still remains a bad deal

00:44:24 ◼   ► in the lineup.

00:44:25 ◼   ► - It remains a product in our lineup.

00:44:27 ◼   ► - It does, unchanged.

00:44:29 ◼   ► - I wanna ask you too, 'cause I don't think we have

00:44:31 ◼   ► any design focused picks for the Apple Watch, right?

00:44:35 ◼   ► I don't think anyone picked that one.

00:44:37 ◼   ► - Thank goodness.

00:44:38 ◼   ► - Are either of you as disappointed as me?

00:44:40 ◼   ► I'm really disappointed.

00:44:42 ◼   ► - In the Apple Watch?

00:44:43 ◼   ► Yeah. - In the design.

00:44:45 ◼   ► - Kind of boring, right?

00:44:47 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:44:48 ◼   ► - I don't know.

00:44:49 ◼   ► what happens when you trust leaks too much, right? We were all certain that we were getting

00:44:56 ◼   ► a specific kind of Apple Watch soon, and that was our imagination and our misplaced belief

00:45:03 ◼   ► in certain individuals. And also, it did make sense though, right? As well, like I think

00:45:09 ◼   ► that was why this one was so easy to believe, because that design language, they're basically

00:45:14 ◼   ► bringing it to everything, and considering that the Apple Watch is a top tier product,

00:45:19 ◼   ► like I don't think anyone was expecting they were going to update the Apple Watch SE with

00:45:22 ◼   ► flat sides, right?

00:45:23 ◼   ► No.

00:45:24 ◼   ► But the Series 7, brand new product, expensive, we're going to do it, right?

00:45:29 ◼   ► But no.

00:45:30 ◼   ► I did notice when they were talking about the strength of the glass and how that has

00:45:34 ◼   ► come from the reshaping of the glass, the very bottom part of the glass that like goes

00:45:40 ◼   ► inside the case is flat.

00:45:42 ◼   ► I was like, is that what you saw or heard about and then you did renders and made a YouTube video? Like

00:45:47 ◼   ► No, I I think they changed course

00:45:51 ◼   ► I think that they were trying to make the flat side one and then changed that's that's what I thinks happened if I was gonna

00:45:57 ◼   ► guess like that that design was being made at some point maybe and

00:46:02 ◼   ► They ended up being like mmm. We can't do this or we're gonna have to wait another year or whatever

00:46:08 ◼   ► Yeah, now the problem, you know what the problem is for me that, you know, my friends, they

00:46:14 ◼   ► ask me questions about what's coming with the iPhone, what's coming with the Apple Watch,

00:46:19 ◼   ► and I sold them, and it was my bed, I guess I should follow the rumors more closely, as

00:46:24 ◼   ► of a few weeks ago I told them, "Oh, it's gonna have a new design, it's gonna have flat

00:46:28 ◼   ► sides, it's gonna get your body temperature," and that was silly of me, because now I have

00:46:33 ◼   ► to explain to my friends that none of that is happening this year.

00:46:35 ◼   ► Oh, you misread it, you misread some stuff.

00:46:37 ◼   ► The body temperature thing was in the reports,

00:46:39 ◼   ► but it's next year.

00:46:40 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah.

00:46:42 ◼   ► - But everyone was saying flat size this year,

00:46:44 ◼   ► so we're all sold a bill of goods there.

00:46:48 ◼   ► - I guess if we see a flat sided Apple Watch next year,

00:46:52 ◼   ► we can revisit this.

00:46:54 ◼   ► I do think the bigger screen,

00:46:56 ◼   ► like in Apple's product imagery, it looks nice.

00:47:00 ◼   ► Like the bezels look good,

00:47:01 ◼   ► especially if you use a watch face,

00:47:05 ◼   ► like a photo or has a color background, I think you'll really notice it. I was talking

00:47:09 ◼   ► to Mary about this last night. She's on a series five, I think. I was like, yeah, you

00:47:15 ◼   ► know, the case is a little bit bigger, but the screen is a lot bigger. And she's like,

00:47:19 ◼   ► well, it doesn't already go to the edge. And so we kind of looked at like, well, most of

00:47:23 ◼   ► the watch UI uses a black background that's so they can save power on the OLED, but it

00:47:27 ◼   ► also really hides where the actual edges are. And so I think for this, most people will

00:47:34 ◼   ► notice oh the screens a little bit bigger maybe I can see a little bit more

00:47:36 ◼   ► at once but the bezels I think are really only gonna that difference is

00:47:41 ◼   ► gonna show up on certain watch faces you know for me the watch face I use is a

00:47:46 ◼   ► black background but I think if you are looking for that or if you're coming

00:47:50 ◼   ► from a series 3 or 4 it's a fantastic update a series 6 I don't think you got

00:47:57 ◼   ► to run out and get a new watch this year yeah I don't know I don't know about the

00:48:01 ◼   ► The size yeah, I don't know if it's gonna look strange because now it's like even more rectangular than it was before right?

00:48:08 ◼   ► Cuz it's just like tall looks a little tall. I don't know. I'm intrigued to see it at the end of the regular picks. I

00:48:14 ◼   ► have one point

00:48:16 ◼   ► Federico has

00:48:19 ◼   ► two points

00:48:21 ◼   ► Michael has two points

00:48:23 ◼   ► So maybe I can come over behind and catch up maybe

00:48:31 ◼   ► Probably.

00:48:32 ◼   ► With your amazing risky pic.

00:48:34 ◼   ► Uh-huh, can't wait for it.

00:48:35 ◼   ► Let's see what happens.

00:48:36 ◼   ► Should we do the risky pics?

00:48:38 ◼   ► Let's do the risky pics.

00:48:40 ◼   ► Myke, you are up.

00:48:42 ◼   ► An iPhone gets an Always On Display with a UI element that is reminiscent of Apple Watch

00:48:46 ◼   ► complications.

00:48:47 ◼   ► A beautiful thing.

00:48:48 ◼   ► Wrong on every part of that.

00:48:52 ◼   ► Beautiful idea.

00:48:53 ◼   ► Wrong year, maybe.

00:48:55 ◼   ► I think Always On Display will be a part of iOS 16.

00:49:00 ◼   ► Yes.

00:49:01 ◼   ► - I think so.

00:49:01 ◼   ► - There's, I wish I had,

00:49:05 ◼   ► well, maybe you wish you had thought of this.

00:49:07 ◼   ► Someone had mentioned it.

00:49:09 ◼   ► I thought about it after we made the picks.

00:49:10 ◼   ► I was like, well, if this were coming,

00:49:12 ◼   ► maybe it'd be one of those things

00:49:13 ◼   ► that we would have seen hints at WWDC, right?

00:49:16 ◼   ► Remember the year they were like,

00:49:17 ◼   ► it's really important that your apps don't care

00:49:20 ◼   ► what size the screen is, wink, wink.

00:49:22 ◼   ► And then we get the six and six plus.

00:49:24 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:49:25 ◼   ► - And there wasn't any of that pointing to this.

00:49:27 ◼   ► And so maybe now with this in mind,

00:49:29 ◼   ► we can look for to dub-dub.

00:49:31 ◼   ► - They were gonna do what I thought they were gonna do,

00:49:32 ◼   ► though, I thought it was gonna be like a reworking

00:49:35 ◼   ► of watch complications, mostly.

00:49:37 ◼   ► And if you already make a watch app,

00:49:39 ◼   ► you know how to do that.

00:49:40 ◼   ► So it's just one of those things of like,

00:49:43 ◼   ► hey, get it ready.

00:49:45 ◼   ► 'Cause it's not abnormal that like a feature

00:49:47 ◼   ► comes to the iPhone that developers might want

00:49:50 ◼   ► and then they have to scramble for a week

00:49:53 ◼   ► to try and get it ready.

00:49:54 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah.

00:49:55 ◼   ► - But it could be more.

00:49:57 ◼   ► now I kind of feel like maybe it's like gonna be part of widgets, you know, might

00:50:01 ◼   ► be part of the widget framework. Under the hood, complications and widgets are

00:50:06 ◼   ► sort of similar, I think, in the way that they actually work and so yeah maybe

00:50:11 ◼   ► you're right maybe it's not as big of a deal and it's more of a "hey you can

00:50:15 ◼   ► bring your your logic over but you know you need this sort of iconography to

00:50:20 ◼   ► show up" you know we'll see I'm definitely gonna be having this in my

00:50:25 ◼   ► mind though next summer when it's wbdc time because i think we'll get some sort of rumblings then

00:50:31 ◼   ► all right um my pick was an iphone okay don't laugh an iphone

00:50:40 ◼   ► okay and one of them one iphone uh-huh just one just one gets an updated so far so good

00:50:54 ◼   ► I'm gonna say it quickly. Face ID sensor that supports partially occluded faces.

00:50:57 ◼   ► Okay? That's wrong.

00:50:59 ◼   ► You got like 50%?

00:51:00 ◼   ► Gets an updated face ID sensor that supports partially occluded faces.

00:51:07 ◼   ► Yeah, that didn't happen.

00:51:11 ◼   ► Do you see now? Now do you see?

00:51:14 ◼   ► No, now I do.

00:51:16 ◼   ► Okay.

00:51:17 ◼   ► I see. That was silly.

00:51:21 ◼   ► But look, I mean, you said Apple Watch complications were coming to the lock screen on the iPhone, okay?

00:51:26 ◼   ► Yeah, but when I said that, the two of you didn't go, "No way!"

00:51:30 ◼   ► Well, I mean, we're playing the game.

00:51:34 ◼   ► Right, but when Federico said his, we both said, "No way," and when you said yours,

00:51:39 ◼   ► me and Federico both said, "No way."

00:51:42 ◼   ► Yeah, but look at this pic, right? I mean, there's current world events in it,

00:51:46 ◼   ► There's politics in it. There's a, you know, it's a peak of the times.

00:51:52 ◼   ► Yeah, but it didn't happen.

00:51:53 ◼   ► But the wrong times.

00:51:54 ◼   ► It's a time.

00:51:58 ◼   ► It's a peak, but no. But let's look at Steven though, because you're making fun of me.

00:52:05 ◼   ► You know, just real quick, real quick, real quick. If they would have announced like the

00:52:09 ◼   ► watch thing, maybe that could have counted, you know, like that didn't exist until now.

00:52:14 ◼   ► Maybe. That could have been like some weird way of making that account for you.

00:52:17 ◼   ► We could have argued that. I feel like you could have won that argument.

00:52:21 ◼   ► But no, that's not the case. So this is not a point.

00:52:24 ◼   ► Steven, please. I thought I had this for a minute,

00:52:29 ◼   ► because the MagSafe on the Apple Watch, now you can get a USB-C version that's faster.

00:52:34 ◼   ► And I thought, oh, they're laying the groundwork for faster MagSafe everywhere.

00:52:37 ◼   ► That's not MagSafe on the Apple Watch. That's what they call it.

00:52:40 ◼   ► Do they? Yeah, isn't it?

00:52:43 ◼   ► I don't think they call it that.

00:52:45 ◼   ► It's not MagSafe.

00:52:46 ◼   ► It's just the charger.

00:52:47 ◼   ► Anyways, I thought, "Oh, magnetized charging is getting better."

00:52:50 ◼   ► Magnetic fast charger is what they call it.

00:52:52 ◼   ► MagSafe is updated to support 20 watt charging or higher, but a new puck is required.

00:52:59 ◼   ► It's funny because they kind of did this exact thing for the Apple Watch, right?

00:53:04 ◼   ► As you say, they have a faster charger, the magnetic charger.

00:53:10 ◼   ► So if all I had said is magnetic charging is updated,

00:53:13 ◼   ► maybe it would have been closer.

00:53:16 ◼   ► - Yeah, but why would you have said that?

00:53:18 ◼   ► - Very specific.

00:53:19 ◼   ► Yeah, it's a bummer, but should we do our tally?

00:53:25 ◼   ► Because we have a problem.

00:53:27 ◼   ► - Yes, we do.

00:53:28 ◼   ► - Myke, you had two points in the regular round.

00:53:32 ◼   ► You lost a point in the risky picks,

00:53:37 ◼   ► Rickle pickles. So you have one point.

00:53:40 ◼   ► Federico, you were the same two regular points. You lost one here.

00:53:45 ◼   ► One point. I had one point. I lost that point. I am at zero.

00:53:50 ◼   ► So I am the loser. Yes, but y'all are tied.

00:53:55 ◼   ► And so I have prepared the relay FM mode and dice by peak out.

00:54:00 ◼   ► Do you have the most recent build? Yes. Okay. In test flight.

00:54:05 ◼   ► Yeah, I have it all automatically installed, but I will double check.

00:54:08 ◼   ► All right, and you have to turn your mute switch on.

00:54:14 ◼   ► Yes.

00:54:14 ◼   ► Myke never loses the coin flip.

00:54:16 ◼   ► I know.

00:54:16 ◼   ► It's not fair.

00:54:17 ◼   ► Well, maybe this is the time.

00:54:19 ◼   ► How do you feel?

00:54:20 ◼   ► How do you feel?

00:54:20 ◼   ► I need to do some sort of write to make the twin.

00:54:24 ◼   ► I got to do something, like a secret dance or something.

00:54:29 ◼   ► I would like you to pick, heads or tails.

00:54:32 ◼   ► I'm looking for a sign in my bedroom.

00:54:34 ◼   ► What should it be?

00:54:36 ◼   ► Look for either a head or a tail.

00:54:38 ◼   ► I'm going to I'm going to pick my favorite video game.

00:54:41 ◼   ► Final Fantasy Tactics.

00:54:44 ◼   ► And somehow I'm going to look for my answer in here.

00:54:47 ◼   ► How is it going to help?

00:54:49 ◼   ► Is it profitable?

00:54:49 ◼   ► You should have looked for Sonic.

00:54:52 ◼   ► I'm going to open the instructional manual without looking on a random page.

00:54:55 ◼   ► Was that a Tails joke?

00:54:57 ◼   ► Yes. Good.

00:54:59 ◼   ► Nice, nice pickup. Proud of you.

00:55:00 ◼   ► So this is the instruction manual of Final Fantasy Tactics for PSP.

00:55:05 ◼   ► Well, you think you're going to turn to a random page and find either the word "head"

00:55:09 ◼   ► or "tails" in that instruction manual?

00:55:10 ◼   ► I'm going to put my finger on a word, and if it contains the letter "H" or "T", that's

00:55:15 ◼   ► going to be my pick.

00:55:16 ◼   ► But what if it's got both?

00:55:19 ◼   ► Well then we have a problem.

00:55:20 ◼   ► Don't worry about it.

00:55:21 ◼   ► Hebrew is mine!

00:55:22 ◼   ► Maybe then whichever comes first out of those two could...

00:55:25 ◼   ► Whichever comes first.

00:55:27 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:55:28 ◼   ► Okay.

00:55:29 ◼   ► Okay

00:55:31 ◼   ► Okay tails. Wait. What was the word?

00:55:33 ◼   ► Abilita ability. Okay. All right. So you were tails tails. Are we ready? Mm-hmm

00:55:40 ◼   ► How

00:55:52 ◼   ► Undefeated again, how does he keep winning them his Royal Highness Oh gosh

00:55:59 ◼   ► The consolidated chairman strikes back from these rule changes, from these questionable

00:56:08 ◼   ► decisions and takes it on forward.

00:56:13 ◼   ► Thank you.

00:56:15 ◼   ► My subjects, thank you.

00:56:17 ◼   ► That's annoying.

00:56:18 ◼   ► I am the winner.

00:56:19 ◼   ► I'm leaving the show.

00:56:20 ◼   ► I'm leaving.

00:56:21 ◼   ► I'm tired.

00:56:22 ◼   ► He's gone.

00:56:23 ◼   ► See you.

00:56:24 ◼   ► Goodbye.

00:56:25 ◼   ► Bye.

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00:58:08 ◼   ► the show and relay FM he back Federico no I don't know if he's like legit left

00:58:15 ◼   ► we texted us they had a path of the nadgo do so yeah but I don't know if like

00:58:21 ◼   ► Like he instead has actually just left.

00:58:25 ◼   ► So if he took that phone call or if he quit the show.

00:58:28 ◼   ► We'll find out.

00:58:29 ◼   ► I've received multiple text messages that I need to flip a coin.

00:58:33 ◼   ► But I think, let's leave that until later on.

00:58:36 ◼   ► That you need to flip a coin.

00:58:38 ◼   ► Yeah, I think so.

00:58:39 ◼   ► About what?

00:58:40 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:58:41 ◼   ► Well, James wants me to do it.

00:58:43 ◼   ► But there is a possibility that we might need to do another one.

00:58:46 ◼   ► So let's see what happens.

00:58:47 ◼   ► Okay, fine.

00:58:49 ◼   ► I'm back.

00:58:50 ◼   ► Oh good, he's returned.

00:58:51 ◼   ► That's good.

00:58:52 ◼   ► It's cash time anyway.

00:58:54 ◼   ► You've got another chance to win.

00:58:56 ◼   ► Yeah, you're right.

00:58:58 ◼   ► And honestly, I mean, we all know the flexes are where the real game is played.

00:59:01 ◼   ► Oh, come on!

00:59:04 ◼   ► Come on!

00:59:05 ◼   ► Look, you can't be bitter after everything we've been through on today's episode.

00:59:10 ◼   ► I am the prince of the flexes.

00:59:13 ◼   ► So that's my new...

00:59:14 ◼   ► Not last time you weren't!

00:59:16 ◼   ► How much money did you...

00:59:18 ◼   ► This is my new title.

00:59:19 ◼   ► I am Prince Flexi.

00:59:22 ◼   ► Prince Flexi?

00:59:25 ◼   ► Wait, wait, there's, uh, we had, there are, there are statistics, right, about that.

00:59:31 ◼   ► Okay, so you have donated $350 to charities.

00:59:36 ◼   ► Steven has donated $225.

00:59:38 ◼   ► I have never.

00:59:39 ◼   ► Guess why?

00:59:40 ◼   ► Because I'm Prince Flexi.

00:59:41 ◼   ► I got the money.

00:59:42 ◼   ► Is that what it means?

00:59:43 ◼   ► I guess yes.

00:59:44 ◼   ► In theory, actually, that actually makes sense.

00:59:48 ◼   ► Being the worst at the flexies makes you the best at the flexies.

00:59:54 ◼   ► Prince cannot be the worst.

00:59:55 ◼   ► I'm a prince.

00:59:56 ◼   ► Or being the worst at the flexies makes you the best person.

00:59:59 ◼   ► Because you're helping the world.

01:00:02 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:00:03 ◼   ► All right, let me read the rules of the flexies, okay?

01:00:09 ◼   ► The flexies.

01:00:11 ◼   ► Loser of the flexies must compensate the winner of the flexies by donating to the charity

01:00:16 ◼   ► of the winner's choice.

01:00:17 ◼   ► The amount of the donation is $25 per wrong flexi made by the loser.

01:00:23 ◼   ► Each host must make a minimum of 5 flexi picks.

01:00:28 ◼   ► Flexis may be reused as future flexis or regular picks.

01:00:32 ◼   ► The winner is determined by the ratio of correct to incorrect flexis.

01:00:36 ◼   ► And the money must be donated on air.

01:00:40 ◼   ► And then the rest of the document talks about the coin toss.

01:00:43 ◼   ► We already did that.

01:00:44 ◼   ► No, it's fine.

01:00:45 ◼   ► No, it's cool.

01:00:46 ◼   ► Myke, you're first. So we're gonna go for all of them, right? Yes. I really want to take your time on the first one though

01:00:52 ◼   ► Can you imagine my horror with this right? Because this remember this was originally going to be my

01:00:57 ◼   ► Risky pic. Mm-hmm

01:01:00 ◼   ► New iPad mini is introduced. Okay with a refresh design. Yes

01:01:06 ◼   ► New colors previously not a part of this product. Mm-hmm

01:01:11 ◼   ► USB-C. Yes. I'm gonna read this like out of order. 5G support. Yes.

01:01:16 ◼   ► Smart connector. No!

01:01:19 ◼   ► I was so

01:01:21 ◼   ► pleased.

01:01:23 ◼   ► Right? Because if they would have put a smart connector on that, I would be so sad.

01:01:30 ◼   ► But... Or if it had been your risky pick and you lost it because there was no smart connector. Like either way,

01:01:37 ◼   ► it would have been brutal. True, true, true.

01:01:40 ◼   ► But I will say that that whole thing has made me think that this style of risky might be what I do in the future

01:01:47 ◼   ► I actually kind of really enjoyed that so who knows maybe it will happen. Maybe it won't I'm so freaking excited about this

01:01:54 ◼   ► I've had many though me too, right?

01:01:57 ◼   ► Great

01:01:59 ◼   ► Yes, give me

01:02:01 ◼   ► Don't mind if I do

01:02:03 ◼   ► Mm-hmm. It looks fantastic, man

01:02:05 ◼   ► What do you think about how like?

01:02:09 ◼   ► grabbable do you think it's gonna be?

01:02:12 ◼   ► 'Cause all of the images is someone holding it in a hand,

01:02:14 ◼   ► right?

01:02:15 ◼   ► - I think it's gonna be perfect for that.

01:02:17 ◼   ► Like if the iPad Air is of any indication,

01:02:20 ◼   ► I think it's gonna be super comfortable

01:02:21 ◼   ► with the thicker bezels.

01:02:22 ◼   ► And because it's actually,

01:02:24 ◼   ► I believe it's actually shorter than the older iPad Mini,

01:02:29 ◼   ► I think this thing is gonna be sweet.

01:02:31 ◼   ► I think it's gonna be perfect for reading.

01:02:33 ◼   ► I am so excited.

01:02:35 ◼   ► Like I have a feeling for how this thing is gonna feel.

01:02:39 ◼   ► and I am very optimistic about it.

01:02:42 ◼   ► Slightly bummed that they didn't make

01:02:45 ◼   ► like a mini Magic Keyboard for it,

01:02:48 ◼   ► but I also understand why, right?

01:02:50 ◼   ► I mean. - Bridge?

01:02:51 ◼   ► Bridge?

01:02:52 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:02:53 ◼   ► - Yeah, they'll do it. - Come on.

01:02:54 ◼   ► - They'll do it. - They did it before.

01:02:55 ◼   ► They don't have one for sale now,

01:02:56 ◼   ► but they did once make an iPad mini sized keyboard.

01:03:00 ◼   ► - With a teeny tiny track pad.

01:03:02 ◼   ► All right, what's next?

01:03:04 ◼   ► - All right, so next up, there is a ceramic Apple Watch.

01:03:08 ◼   ► Wha?

01:03:10 ◼   ► There's no addition at all right that I think they've gotten rid of that this is like titanium yeah, yeah the

01:03:16 ◼   ► For a while the titanium was labeled any addition, but I think they've gotten rid of that branding so it's

01:03:23 ◼   ► Aluminum and some new finishes five colors none of which I think are fantastic

01:03:28 ◼   ► No, I don't like any of them, and there's three finishes of stainless steel. There's stainless steel

01:03:34 ◼   ► There's the black and there's the gold and then there's a light and dark titanium, which I love the light titanium

01:03:40 ◼   ► But no ceramic, you know, I was thinking okay, they showed it off

01:03:45 ◼   ► It's more or less the same design and I thought at that point you were gonna get it because I thought well

01:03:50 ◼   ► it's the same case design, but one way to refresh the look of it is to have a ceramic option and

01:03:56 ◼   ► Just not there and I was I was sad for you because I know you really wanted it

01:04:02 ◼   ► But I also thought it would maybe help like buoy this product that maybe isn't as exciting as it could have been

01:04:08 ◼   ► So the aluminium colors are green

01:04:10 ◼   ► blue

01:04:13 ◼   ► product red starlight and

01:04:15 ◼   ► Midnight which those colors I mean come on starlight is like beige silver. Yeah

01:04:22 ◼   ► It's like silver with a little gold dust thrown in that's the color mini. My wife is gonna get a midnight is

01:04:30 ◼   ► is like gray blue.

01:04:33 ◼   ► So they don't have, I feel like, a neutral aluminium color.

01:04:38 ◼   ► And I think that's a bad idea.

01:04:41 ◼   ► I don't think that's a good call.

01:04:43 ◼   ► I think they should have either black or just

01:04:47 ◼   ► pure silver aluminium.

01:04:49 ◼   ► I mean, again, I haven't seen Starlight at midnight, right?

01:04:53 ◼   ► Product imagery and products in real life

01:04:55 ◼   ► can make a difference.

01:04:57 ◼   ► But I'm perplexed, I'll say, about what I've gone through.

01:05:00 ◼   ► - I would assume that they know all this,

01:05:02 ◼   ► but maybe the red and blue aluminum sold way better

01:05:06 ◼   ► than we think it did last time.

01:05:09 ◼   ► So they're leaning into it.

01:05:10 ◼   ► But I agree with you, like none of these are neutral.

01:05:12 ◼   ► Like all of these, maybe the Starlight the least amount,

01:05:15 ◼   ► but all of them have enough of a tint to them

01:05:18 ◼   ► that you gotta think about it.

01:05:20 ◼   ► And the beauty about the space gray and the silver is

01:05:23 ◼   ► it works great with any band,

01:05:25 ◼   ► works great with any outfit.

01:05:26 ◼   ► but all of these have like too much opinion in them for me.

01:05:29 ◼   ► - Like, and of course you can go up to stainless steel

01:05:32 ◼   ► or titanium. - Yeah, of course.

01:05:34 ◼   ► - But that's much more expensive,

01:05:36 ◼   ► but that's the place now where if you don't want a color

01:05:39 ◼   ► to your Apple Watch, you've got to go that route.

01:05:42 ◼   ► - And they're both nice.

01:05:43 ◼   ► I've owned both in the past.

01:05:45 ◼   ► They're heavier.

01:05:46 ◼   ► The titanium is not as heavy as the steel.

01:05:48 ◼   ► The steel is a beast, but it's a lot more.

01:05:52 ◼   ► And most people, you know,

01:05:53 ◼   ► I would imagine they sell the aluminum, like, you know,

01:05:55 ◼   ► factor of like 10 to one or something to the others at least. Yeah it's strange

01:06:00 ◼   ► and I'm sorry because I know you wanted a ceramic Apple watch with flat sides

01:06:03 ◼   ► and you get neither so. I didn't get any of it did I? Nothing. The new iPhone color will be a new version of a

01:06:11 ◼   ► color they've already used. So I realized in judging this that you were not very

01:06:16 ◼   ► specific in this. It's like any new iPhone color 13, 13 Pro, the pick doesn't matter

01:06:23 ◼   ► but they really have reused... Oh interesting, in my mind I meant to say the Pro

01:06:29 ◼   ► phone. Yeah. That's what I was thinking about. Yeah. But you get it anyways

01:06:33 ◼   ► because... That's a Flexi, so what does it matter? And I was still correct. What are

01:06:37 ◼   ► you thinking about? Blue. Federico, what do you think of the the Sierra Blue iPhone?

01:06:41 ◼   ► Yeah, I don't like it, not for me. It looks like a phone for the Smurfs, you know?

01:06:45 ◼   ► Oh my god. Yeah. Why would you get a blue phone? I don't know. Well, I can't buy that

01:06:51 ◼   ► that one now. It's Smurf blue. Yeah that's what it is. Oh my word. Yeah I'm not into it.

01:06:58 ◼   ► Like but this I feel bad because I've asked for color right? I want color I

01:07:02 ◼   ► want more color but this doesn't this isn't the color I want. Yeah here's here's

01:07:10 ◼   ► my well we'll talk about what we're ordering I want to talk to you guys I

01:07:13 ◼   ► need some some help with the color selection but yeah I agree. Because I'll

01:07:17 ◼   ► I'll also just say while we're on it,

01:07:19 ◼   ► the iPhone 13 colors I don't like either.

01:07:22 ◼   ► - No, I mean, I showed Mary and she was like Starlight

01:07:25 ◼   ► and she has the pinkish, or not the pinkish,

01:07:28 ◼   ► but like the green, she's the green one now

01:07:31 ◼   ► with the pink case, like an inverse watermelon phone.

01:07:34 ◼   ► And she's doing the Starlight.

01:07:37 ◼   ► I was like, you know, it seems like kind of like

01:07:38 ◼   ► silvery gold, but yeah, none of the other colors

01:07:41 ◼   ► really jumped out at her.

01:07:42 ◼   ► You know, Apple has whole teams of people who work on this.

01:07:44 ◼   ► I'm sure these colors are very fashionable right now,

01:07:47 ◼   ► but they're not to my taste as much as something

01:07:50 ◼   ► like maybe the 10R was.

01:07:52 ◼   ► Like those 10R colors have been my favorite colors

01:07:54 ◼   ► they've done in a long time.

01:07:57 ◼   ► - Or even the iPhone 12.

01:07:59 ◼   ► The iPhone 12's colors, I really like them.

01:08:01 ◼   ► I like the green, I like that the white is just white,

01:08:04 ◼   ► you know, and that little black is just black, you know?

01:08:07 ◼   ► Like, so you've got those,

01:08:08 ◼   ► but the green, the purple is fantastic,

01:08:10 ◼   ► and I prefer the shade of blue way more to the blue

01:08:12 ◼   ► that they've got this time.

01:08:13 ◼   ► - I like how we thought that maybe you were having

01:08:16 ◼   ► contending Apple Watch flexes, but you missed both of them.

01:08:19 ◼   ► What's your next Apple Watch flexing?

01:08:21 ◼   ► - New Apple Watch is not a part of the presentation.

01:08:23 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:08:24 ◼   ► Man, me and the Apple Watch,

01:08:27 ◼   ► we're not getting on this time, are we?

01:08:29 ◼   ► - You got burned. - Not big time.

01:08:31 ◼   ► In every possible way, from my pics to also just

01:08:34 ◼   ► what I want as a person.

01:08:35 ◼   ► And then my last one, release date for iOS 15 is announced

01:08:41 ◼   ► and it's later than 24 hours away.

01:08:43 ◼   ► It's true, it's coming on Monday.

01:08:45 ◼   ► Much to the jubilation of many.

01:08:48 ◼   ► - Yay.

01:08:49 ◼   ► - Federico, how much jubilation did that bring you?

01:08:52 ◼   ► - I'm very happy about that because like,

01:08:55 ◼   ► I mean, I had a feeling that we were not gonna see

01:08:58 ◼   ► the 24 hour notice again, but I was kinda hoping

01:09:03 ◼   ► for maybe Wednesday, but Monday is also fine.

01:09:08 ◼   ► And I'm very happy about it.

01:09:11 ◼   ► I don't have to stress as much as last year

01:09:15 ◼   ► And I still have not decided when I'm going to publish my review,

01:09:20 ◼   ► but I think it's a pretty safe bet to say that it's going to be next week.

01:09:26 ◼   ► So not a month, you know, after the release of iOS, like last year,

01:09:30 ◼   ► maybe I will be done by lunch day. Maybe not. We'll see.

01:09:34 ◼   ► But I feel very good about Monday.

01:09:36 ◼   ► It feels good. I'm very pleased about that for you.

01:09:39 ◼   ► So Myke, you have a total of two flexis, right?

01:09:45 ◼   ► - Okay, two out of five.

01:09:46 ◼   ► - Yep, is that good, is that bad?

01:09:48 ◼   ► We'll have to see.

01:09:48 ◼   ► I'm up next.

01:09:49 ◼   ► The iPhone Pro comes in five colors/finishes,

01:09:53 ◼   ► not the traditional four.

01:09:54 ◼   ► I think at that.

01:09:56 ◼   ► Again, I won't talk about colors later on.

01:10:00 ◼   ► The Apple Watch moves to 5G networking.

01:10:03 ◼   ► - That was bold.

01:10:04 ◼   ► - This one, I felt pretty good about,

01:10:07 ◼   ► but noticeably absent.

01:10:10 ◼   ► A new AirPods product is announced.

01:10:13 ◼   ► Apple TV+ content is featured in the keynote.

01:10:16 ◼   ► You got that?

01:10:17 ◼   ► Yes.

01:10:17 ◼   ► First.

01:10:18 ◼   ► First off.

01:10:20 ◼   ► Well, after our celebration of California, of course.

01:10:22 ◼   ► Yes, oh my gosh.

01:10:24 ◼   ► Okay, Apple, we get it.

01:10:25 ◼   ► Someone bought a drone who works for you.

01:10:27 ◼   ► Woo!

01:10:30 ◼   ► They got one of those new DJI ones,

01:10:32 ◼   ► like the Championship Racing drones.

01:10:35 ◼   ► Yeah, some of those movies was like,

01:10:36 ◼   ► I'm glad I don't have a bigger TV.

01:10:39 ◼   ► no specific pre-order date is set for the Apple Watch.

01:10:43 ◼   ► (bell dings)

01:10:44 ◼   ► - Good point.

01:10:44 ◼   ► - I was so worried because at the end of last week,

01:10:48 ◼   ► there was a rumor saying, "Oh, they got it fixed.

01:10:50 ◼   ► The Apple Watch is coming out in September."

01:10:52 ◼   ► And I was like, "Oh man, I'm gonna lose that Flexi."

01:10:55 ◼   ► But the supply chain let Apple down,

01:10:58 ◼   ► but it didn't let me down.

01:10:59 ◼   ► - It could still come in September.

01:11:01 ◼   ► - It could, but there's only two weeks left

01:11:04 ◼   ► in September, so.

01:11:05 ◼   ► - Yeah, but they could next week announce.

01:11:07 ◼   ► - Maybe.

01:11:08 ◼   ► - You know what I'm saying.

01:11:09 ◼   ► But they're saying later this fall, later this fall.

01:11:12 ◼   ► So my assumption is that's October, you know,

01:11:14 ◼   ► but that means I am tied with Michael

01:11:19 ◼   ► for the number of Flexys.

01:11:20 ◼   ► We each have two.

01:11:22 ◼   ► - Prince Flexy coming in.

01:11:23 ◼   ► - There he is. - Okay.

01:11:25 ◼   ► iOS 15 releases the following week to the public.

01:11:29 ◼   ► Ninth generation iPad is introduced, so far so good,

01:11:32 ◼   ► with a USB-C connector.

01:11:35 ◼   ► And that I did not get the--

01:11:38 ◼   ► That image of the iPad line, man, the iPad 9 really stands out.

01:11:42 ◼   ► It really stands out.

01:11:43 ◼   ► It's got the thick bezels, it's using lightning.

01:11:47 ◼   ► So it's the only one with the home button,

01:11:52 ◼   ► with the huge bezels and with the lightning connector.

01:11:56 ◼   ► So, I mean, $329, right?

01:11:59 ◼   ► That's the price.

01:12:01 ◼   ► And it's even cheaper for schools and stuff.

01:12:04 ◼   ► So, yeah, pretty awesome deal.

01:12:06 ◼   ► and it's got the, does it have the A13?

01:12:10 ◼   ► - 13. - I think it's A13, yeah.

01:12:11 ◼   ► - Yes, the 13. - And center stage.

01:12:13 ◼   ► - And center stage. - Which is cool.

01:12:14 ◼   ► - But no USB-C.

01:12:15 ◼   ► - No USB-C. - It's interesting, isn't it?

01:12:17 ◼   ► Like the things they add and the things they don't.

01:12:19 ◼   ► - I thought about that.

01:12:21 ◼   ► These things probably get charged in carts and stuff,

01:12:24 ◼   ► and there's a lot of like lightning infrastructure

01:12:26 ◼   ► probably already in place for schools.

01:12:28 ◼   ► And so for this iPad,

01:12:30 ◼   ► I think staying on Lightning is not a big deal,

01:12:32 ◼   ► especially if they're being bought

01:12:34 ◼   ► by the hundreds of thousands by schools, then moving to USB-C is probably a detriment to

01:12:38 ◼   ► this product actually.

01:12:40 ◼   ► Okay, no date is provided for macOS Monterey.

01:12:46 ◼   ► No mention whatsoever of macOS Monterey.

01:12:49 ◼   ► Mac?

01:12:50 ◼   ► Never heard of it.

01:12:51 ◼   ► What's that?

01:12:52 ◼   ► What's macOS Monterey?

01:12:53 ◼   ► What's that?

01:12:54 ◼   ► It's in California?

01:12:55 ◼   ► We don't know.

01:12:56 ◼   ► California?

01:12:57 ◼   ► Don't know nothing about it.

01:12:58 ◼   ► California?

01:12:59 ◼   ► Haven't ever been there.

01:13:00 ◼   ► Okay, moving on.

01:13:02 ◼   ► AirPods announced with the MagSafe compatible case.

01:13:06 ◼   ► Nope. Nope. And lastly, Apple announces at least one new

01:13:12 ◼   ► feature coming later in the iOS 15 cycle.

01:13:17 ◼   ► What is it? Sure enough ProRes. ProRes coming later.

01:13:20 ◼   ► Oh yeah yeah yeah. Did y'all see the note that you can't use ProRes on the

01:13:27 ◼   ► base model storage for the 13 Pro? Yeah. Someone tweeted

01:13:32 ◼   ► uh, like how much space a single minute of like pro res 4k is it's a lot and so

01:13:38 ◼   ► I can see why they have that limitation in place, I guess so at the end of the flexis

01:13:43 ◼   ► Federico has

01:13:46 ◼   ► Three so he is the winner

01:13:48 ◼   ► Of the flexis prince flexi strikes again. Wait. No, we already established that you were prince flexi because you gave the most money

01:13:57 ◼   ► He's trying to have it both ways.

01:13:59 ◼   ► That's a theory that some people circulate, but no, that's not what it means.

01:14:03 ◼   ► So what does it mean then?

01:14:05 ◼   ► That I'm a prince.

01:14:06 ◼   ► That's it? It just means that?

01:14:08 ◼   ► I'm prince flexi, yes.

01:14:09 ◼   ► Myke and I are now tied with two each, so we need another coin toss.

01:14:17 ◼   ► Federico, I think it should be you.

01:14:18 ◼   ► Oh.

01:14:19 ◼   ► Does Federico have everything set up?

01:14:22 ◼   ► Can I do the coin toss?

01:14:25 ◼   ► No, because you're biased.

01:14:27 ◼   ► But you hear it.

01:14:29 ◼   ► That's true, yeah.

01:14:30 ◼   ► If we hear it, then I feel like it's...

01:14:32 ◼   ► Okay.

01:14:33 ◼   ► Okay, fine.

01:14:34 ◼   ► Alright.

01:14:35 ◼   ► So...

01:14:36 ◼   ► I choose...

01:14:37 ◼   ► I need something to speak to me.

01:14:38 ◼   ► Hang on.

01:14:39 ◼   ► What are you gonna find?

01:14:40 ◼   ► What manual are you gonna find?

01:14:41 ◼   ► Let me get a book.

01:14:42 ◼   ► Hang on.

01:14:43 ◼   ► I'm getting up from my desk.

01:14:44 ◼   ► Okay.

01:14:45 ◼   ► We can definitely hear that.

01:14:47 ◼   ► He's looking around.

01:14:48 ◼   ► He's probably gonna find some boring old manual of some description.

01:14:52 ◼   ► I have my Apple Pro Training Series textbook.

01:14:55 ◼   ► macOS support essentials 11. I was right. So this is the big sir book sounds great

01:15:00 ◼   ► So I'm gonna what'd you do if you found a word and if it had an H or a T or whatever was first in

01:15:04 ◼   ► The world right? Okay. Yes, it was the word head or tails even better. Yeah, I say this it didn't work out for Federico

01:15:10 ◼   ► So I'm gonna give this another shot

01:15:12 ◼   ► tails

01:15:13 ◼   ► All right, you ready? Okay. Yeah. Yes, you're not gonna ask what the word was. Oh, yeah

01:15:18 ◼   ► Turned turned turned turned. Okay

01:15:24 ◼   ► It sounds pretty strange when you say it.

01:15:25 ◼   ► Turn.

01:15:25 ◼   ► Turn.

01:15:27 ◼   ► Joe, turn the bus around!

01:15:29 ◼   ► Turn.

01:15:30 ◼   ► Turn.

01:15:31 ◼   ► Turn.

01:15:32 ◼   ► Turn.

01:15:32 ◼   ► Turn.

01:15:33 ◼   ► Turn.

01:15:33 ◼   ► Turn.

01:15:34 ◼   ► Are you ready?

01:15:34 ◼   ► Ready?

01:15:35 ◼   ► Dude, this book is like 800 pages long.

01:15:37 ◼   ► Okay, yes, I'm ready.

01:15:37 ◼   ► Yes!

01:15:41 ◼   ► Yes!

01:15:41 ◼   ► Go, Stephen.

01:15:43 ◼   ► I don't know whose voice that was.

01:15:45 ◼   ► Yeah, whose voice was that?

01:15:46 ◼   ► That was me.

01:15:47 ◼   ► Was it?

01:15:48 ◼   ► No.

01:15:49 ◼   ► Oh, you mean in peacock?

01:15:50 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:15:51 ◼   ► No, I don't know.

01:15:51 ◼   ► No, was that Jason?

01:15:53 ◼   ► No, did he put Jason's voice in the game?

01:15:55 ◼   ► No, that's against the rules!

01:15:57 ◼   ► Yeah, Jason can't do a coin toss.

01:15:59 ◼   ► A coin?

01:16:00 ◼   ► Ah, you did it as well.

01:16:02 ◼   ► We clearly need to rename this round.

01:16:04 ◼   ► Oh, wait!

01:16:06 ◼   ► Have we been using an invalid tool for the coin flip?

01:16:09 ◼   ► Jason's banned!

01:16:10 ◼   ► Jason's banned!

01:16:12 ◼   ► Well, my loss doesn't count then.

01:16:15 ◼   ► We are using an illegal tool for the coin toss.

01:16:19 ◼   ► That wasn't Jason's voice, was it?

01:16:21 ◼   ► tool has been tampered with. This is the whole thing.

01:16:23 ◼   ► Stephen wasn't using the correct build.

01:16:25 ◼   ► This is why James and Jason were so excited. No, I was on the latest build in Test Fight.

01:16:27 ◼   ► Yeah, well, it was one of our voices that wasn't like we got.

01:16:32 ◼   ► Yeah, it was. Yeah.

01:16:33 ◼   ► Maybe we need to roll it back.

01:16:34 ◼   ► Maybe it was Jason.

01:16:36 ◼   ► Heads.

01:16:42 ◼   ► OK, so we got to change the rule that James Thompson is also banned.

01:16:49 ◼   ► Everyone's banned. Everyone's banned. But I think that we have to honor this because Myke finally lost a coin toss

01:16:55 ◼   ► Fine I don't know what's happened here

01:17:00 ◼   ► I said something some people have been conspiring against us and I'm not sure how I feel about that. I don't like this

01:17:06 ◼   ► What is this some sort of like rogue Snell nation rising up?

01:17:09 ◼   ► We can't have that I said snuck his way in because he he can't stand that he's been told he can't ever flip a coin

01:17:15 ◼   ► So now hmm, but technically I flipped the coin though. That's the rule says Jason can't flip the coin

01:17:20 ◼   ► So it is legal but it is it is in poor taste James. Yes

01:17:26 ◼   ► Jason has found a loophole in our system which to be honest consider. I'm gonna oh I can get out I can play it again

01:17:34 ◼   ► Wait, how did I do that?

01:17:37 ◼   ► Follow radar. Oh

01:17:40 ◼   ► Gosh, I'm tapping it

01:17:43 ◼   ► It's all Jason now!

01:17:45 ◼   ► Wow.

01:17:46 ◼   ► *sigh*

01:17:47 ◼   ► I don't know how I feel about this. I spent a lot of time recording my heads and tails.

01:17:50 ◼   ► Yeah, interesting. Okay. Well, we technically flipped it.

01:17:55 ◼   ► Mm-hmm.

01:17:56 ◼   ► This is... but anyway, so how much money do I owe?

01:17:58 ◼   ► Let's see. It's $25 per wrong flexi. You have three wrong flexi.

01:18:03 ◼   ► So $75 to the the charity of Federico's...

01:18:07 ◼   ► Charity of my choice, which will be once again the dogs.

01:18:11 ◼   ► *laughter*

01:18:13 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:18:15 ◼   ► No, go give some money to St. Jude, come on.

01:18:18 ◼   ► - All right.

01:18:19 ◼   ► And in the description at stjude.org/relay,

01:18:24 ◼   ► you need to put your name

01:18:25 ◼   ► and that you are the loser of the flexies.

01:18:29 ◼   ► - Wait, are you guys seeing this?

01:18:31 ◼   ► Are they trolling us in the Discord?

01:18:33 ◼   ► James and Jason are saying that Jason's voice

01:18:35 ◼   ► is only being used during the show.

01:18:38 ◼   ► - What?

01:18:40 ◼   ► What?

01:18:41 ◼   ► - What?

01:18:42 ◼   ► No, come on.

01:18:43 ◼   ► This must be a joke. No, I don't believe it.

01:18:45 ◼   ► No.

01:18:46 ◼   ► But they're saying it. Then he goes back to random.

01:18:49 ◼   ► What?

01:18:50 ◼   ► He said...

01:18:51 ◼   ► What?

01:18:52 ◼   ► Oh, but Jason is included in the random voices.

01:18:56 ◼   ► Oh my gosh.

01:18:57 ◼   ► What?

01:18:58 ◼   ► Oh my.

01:18:59 ◼   ► What's happening?

01:19:01 ◼   ► During the show, it's true.

01:19:03 ◼   ► James put in code to compare the time

01:19:06 ◼   ► against the expected recording time of the show.

01:19:09 ◼   ► Well done, sir.

01:19:10 ◼   ► Well done.

01:19:11 ◼   ► Incredible.

01:19:13 ◼   ► I'm not even mad at being trolled anymore.

01:19:15 ◼   ► I feel like you should donate to James Thompson

01:19:18 ◼   ► instead of the church.

01:19:19 ◼   ► Well done, James.

01:19:22 ◼   ► What is that I've got to say?

01:19:23 ◼   ► I am the loser of the flexies.

01:19:26 ◼   ► Is that it?

01:19:27 ◼   ► Yes.

01:19:28 ◼   ► And as punishment,

01:19:29 ◼   ► James and Jason need to match that donation.

01:19:32 ◼   ► (laughs)

01:19:34 ◼   ► I love it, yes.

01:19:35 ◼   ► Jason, James, 75 bucks each.

01:19:36 ◼   ► Let's go.

01:19:37 ◼   ► Yes.

01:19:38 ◼   ► Come on.

01:19:39 ◼   ► 75 is it?

01:19:40 ◼   ► Is that the amount?

01:19:41 ◼   ► Yes, 75.

01:19:41 ◼   ► All right.

01:19:42 ◼   ► Guilt donations, let's go boys.

01:19:44 ◼   ► You need to send a message, you need to say,

01:19:46 ◼   ► I, as a conspirator in dice by peacock,

01:19:51 ◼   ► you are both conspirators in this thing that just happened.

01:19:57 ◼   ► All right, James is doing the guilt donation.

01:20:00 ◼   ► No word from Jason who's suddenly quiet in the chat room.

01:20:03 ◼   ► He's probably sipping his tea,

01:20:05 ◼   ► recording some voices for dice.

01:20:07 ◼   ► That's what he's doing.

01:20:08 ◼   ► That's the best thing that's happened today.

01:20:10 ◼   ► I want to see the receipts. Come on, Myke.

01:20:13 ◼   ► Come on, Myke.

01:20:14 ◼   ► No, Jason.

01:20:15 ◼   ► - Because I'm currently sitting on the opposite side

01:20:17 ◼   ► of my desk because I'm in set up for podcastathon mode.

01:20:21 ◼   ► So I've moved around on my desk.

01:20:22 ◼   ► I had to get up and walk around to do touch ID

01:20:25 ◼   ► 'cause the keyboard's on the other side.

01:20:27 ◼   ► - Oh, 'cause it's taped under the-

01:20:28 ◼   ► - 'Cause it's stuck to the desk.

01:20:29 ◼   ► So I had to get up and go around.

01:20:31 ◼   ► That's why it took me so long.

01:20:32 ◼   ► Donation has been completed.

01:20:33 ◼   ► - Good.

01:20:34 ◼   ► - I didn't do exactly what I was told.

01:20:36 ◼   ► - What? Oh, no.

01:20:40 ◼   ► everything I was told and just a little extra.

01:20:43 ◼   ► - Let's see what you did.

01:20:44 ◼   ► - But you don't see it, I don't think.

01:20:46 ◼   ► It says Myke Hurley consolidated chairman,

01:20:48 ◼   ► but then I am a little sort of flexes.

01:20:50 ◼   ► I can't believe that.

01:20:51 ◼   ► Wow, James, Jason, Bravo.

01:20:53 ◼   ► - Well done.

01:20:54 ◼   ► - That is, that is supreme trolling.

01:20:56 ◼   ► That is just very good trolling.

01:21:00 ◼   ► I really am happy that we didn't know what, who it was.

01:21:04 ◼   ► That's good, right?

01:21:05 ◼   ► That like, it was like, it took a minute to really sink in.

01:21:09 ◼   ► I can't believe that. I'm gonna do a few more.

01:21:12 ◼   ► Just hear some of Jason's superb voice acting here.

01:21:15 ◼   ► Tails!

01:21:18 ◼   ► Wow.

01:21:18 ◼   ► Why, Jason? Why don't you just use your regular voice?

01:21:21 ◼   ► Like, I don't understand.

01:21:23 ◼   ► He's gotta do the theater voice.

01:21:25 ◼   ► Heads!

01:21:26 ◼   ► If you wouldn't just use your regular voice, that's the reason.

01:21:29 ◼   ► 'Cause he's going, "heads!"

01:21:31 ◼   ► You know, it can be me.

01:21:32 ◼   ► Heads!

01:21:34 ◼   ► Real voice, Jason!

01:21:36 ◼   ► Ugh.

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01:23:47 ◼   ► So let's talk about ordering stuff the iPad 9 and the iPad mini went up for pre-order yesterday

01:23:55 ◼   ► My I got a shipping notification that my smart folio will be here tomorrow

01:23:59 ◼   ► So I got that looking look forward to very nice the phones go for pre-order on Friday at 5 a.m

01:24:07 ◼   ► Pacific that's 8 a.m. Eastern and 1 p.m

01:24:11 ◼   ► Myke standard time such a good time for me. I'm so pleased about that time

01:24:16 ◼   ► Mine is right as I'm getting out the door with kids to school. So that'll be fun

01:24:21 ◼   ► There's this cool thing in the Apple strap. I think you guys saw this but you can

01:24:27 ◼   ► Basically go through the entire order process including

01:24:31 ◼   ► Telling it what payment payment system you want to use?

01:24:36 ◼   ► Yeah, it saves it and so on on Friday morning

01:24:40 ◼   ► And I've got two phones one for me and one for my wife and I can go in there

01:24:45 ◼   ► And I think it's gonna be really quick to order them. Yeah, so

01:24:49 ◼   ► Me and Adina both did it yesterday. She put her card information in which I think is kind of cool

01:24:54 ◼   ► I just went Apple pay like I'll just do Apple pay

01:24:57 ◼   ► Probably it will be faster to do it the other way because it's already ready

01:25:01 ◼   ► But I think this is a very clever feature. You just you can even add all the accessories you want and everything

01:25:06 ◼   ► Yeah, just go in and and you check out so I'll be trying that out

01:25:11 ◼   ► On Friday. I did order an iPad mini

01:25:14 ◼   ► Pick up. I'm gonna be picking it up next Friday

01:25:18 ◼   ► I went with a purple one with a cherry case.

01:25:23 ◼   ► - Nice.

01:25:25 ◼   ► - A bit of contrasting colors there.

01:25:27 ◼   ► Very excited about that little thing.

01:25:29 ◼   ► - I'm sad that my Apple store is small

01:25:33 ◼   ► and they did not have the mini available for pickup.

01:25:36 ◼   ► Sometimes they have the phone, sometimes they don't.

01:25:40 ◼   ► I'm gonna try to do a phone pickup in person

01:25:42 ◼   ► 'cause I have two of them,

01:25:43 ◼   ► but the iPad mini, I'm just gonna be hanging around

01:25:46 ◼   ► waiting for FedEx.

01:25:47 ◼   ► - You know, my plan is to try and stack

01:25:50 ◼   ► these collections together.

01:25:52 ◼   ► Because that would really suck if I can't do that,

01:25:55 ◼   ► you know, like if I get it and then like just

01:25:58 ◼   ► half in, half out.

01:25:59 ◼   ► So I'm gonna try and do an iPhone collection.

01:26:02 ◼   ► Hopefully I'll be able to get it.

01:26:03 ◼   ► I'm going gold again.

01:26:05 ◼   ► - Okay.

01:26:06 ◼   ► - On the Pro Max.

01:26:07 ◼   ► Because I absolutely love the gold phone

01:26:10 ◼   ► and it's held up really great without a case

01:26:13 ◼   ► for the last year.

01:26:14 ◼   ► So I'm gonna do that again.

01:26:16 ◼   ► I ordered a space grey whatever the dark iPad mini is.

01:26:24 ◼   ► I think it's midnight.

01:26:26 ◼   ► And the one true John talked me into a orange Smart Folio cover.

01:26:32 ◼   ► Oh no, it is space grey.

01:26:34 ◼   ► It is space grey, that's what I thought.

01:26:36 ◼   ► Space grey, pink, purple, starlight. Federico, what is your favorite of those four colors?

01:26:41 ◼   ► Ah, Starlight looks pretty nice I think. I could go for Starlight I think.

01:26:46 ◼   ► What about the phones? What colors are you leaning to with the phones?

01:26:50 ◼   ► Um, just the basic. So I think it's either gonna be the dark one or gold again. I like my gold phone.

01:26:59 ◼   ► I forgot that you got a gold phone. Like yeah I'm a gold phone person. Gold phone's so good.

01:27:05 ◼   ► - Yeah. - Golf phone, best phone.

01:27:07 ◼   ► By the way, in case you were wondering,

01:27:09 ◼   ► I am going to be getting an Apple Watch.

01:27:12 ◼   ► - Okay.

01:27:15 ◼   ► - 'Cause I feel like it's time for an upgrade

01:27:18 ◼   ► because I'm using my Series 5,

01:27:20 ◼   ► and at the moment, the battery isn't lost

01:27:22 ◼   ► in the full day anymore.

01:27:24 ◼   ► Kind of knocks out about 11 o'clock,

01:27:26 ◼   ► which is not what I want.

01:27:29 ◼   ► I've already been struggling

01:27:30 ◼   ► 'cause I know I don't want aluminum.

01:27:32 ◼   ► I wouldn't have wanted aluminum, I don't think, anyway,

01:27:35 ◼   ► and I especially don't want aluminum

01:27:36 ◼   ► because I don't want any of the colors.

01:27:38 ◼   ► - Mm-hmm, dude, the titanium is really nice.

01:27:41 ◼   ► I really liked mine last year.

01:27:44 ◼   ► - I'm thinking gold stainless steel.

01:27:46 ◼   ► - Yeah, I'm not baller enough for that.

01:27:48 ◼   ► - I'm thinking Federico, what do you think?

01:27:51 ◼   ► Gold stainless steel?

01:27:52 ◼   ► I mean, it's the same as what's on the iPhone.

01:27:55 ◼   ► - Look, I got, on the watch I got,

01:27:57 ◼   ► I also have the gold stainless steel.

01:27:59 ◼   ► It's very nice.

01:28:01 ◼   ► I can tell you that.

01:28:02 ◼   ► - I'm thinking gold stainless steel.

01:28:05 ◼   ► It's a good looking watch.

01:28:07 ◼   ► Since the beginning of the Apple Watch,

01:28:09 ◼   ► I have had my eye on a Milanese loop.

01:28:14 ◼   ► You've done that one? I've always wanted one.

01:28:17 ◼   ► Oh, it's nice.

01:28:18 ◼   ► And they do a gold one.

01:28:20 ◼   ► Wow. Yeah.

01:28:21 ◼   ► So I might do it.

01:28:23 ◼   ► That's so 80s.

01:28:24 ◼   ► I love it. Big boy watch.

01:28:26 ◼   ► You gotta got a gold necklace as well to go with that.

01:28:30 ◼   ► Big chain.

01:28:31 ◼   ► Yeah. Big chains.

01:28:32 ◼   ► Some earrings.

01:28:33 ◼   ► I wouldn't wear the gold Milanese loop all the time.

01:28:36 ◼   ► I think I would probably do like the, the navy-ish blue,

01:28:40 ◼   ► like sport band most of the time.

01:28:44 ◼   ► I really like, like blue and gold together.

01:28:47 ◼   ► I have a whole aesthetic planned out for you, Myke.

01:28:50 ◼   ► Please.

01:28:51 ◼   ► Gold watch with gold Milanese loop,

01:28:54 ◼   ► gold chain, white jeans, and a flower shirt,

01:28:59 ◼   ► slightly open on the chest, you know?

01:29:01 ◼   ► So you can see the chain.

01:29:02 ◼   ► sort of like Miami Vice vibe, you know?

01:29:06 ◼   ► I can see you in that.

01:29:06 ◼   ► - I think I could pull that off.

01:29:08 ◼   ► - I think you should try it for the podcast-athon.

01:29:10 ◼   ► - I think I could pull that off.

01:29:11 ◼   ► I'm gonna try it.

01:29:12 ◼   ► I'm gonna try it.

01:29:13 ◼   ► I'll see what I can do.

01:29:16 ◼   ► I have flowery shirts,

01:29:18 ◼   ► so all I need to do is get a gold chain and white,

01:29:22 ◼   ► you say white jeans?

01:29:23 ◼   ► - White jeans?

01:29:25 ◼   ► You gotta have that contrast, you know?

01:29:26 ◼   ► - Back in my younger days,

01:29:30 ◼   ► and I used to go to the nightclubs and such,

01:29:32 ◼   ► I did have a look that would only ever last one night,

01:29:36 ◼   ► which was white jeans, white t-shirt,

01:29:39 ◼   ► and white kind of like cardigan type thing.

01:29:42 ◼   ► That was a big thing back in the day.

01:29:44 ◼   ► I'd only get one night out of those clothes.

01:29:47 ◼   ► - Sure, I can imagine.

01:29:49 ◼   ► - They would be destroyed, but you know, it worked.

01:29:53 ◼   ► It looked good.

01:29:54 ◼   ► - Wow.

01:29:55 ◼   ► - Do you remember the Razorlight song, "America"?

01:29:59 ◼   ► - Oh, I mean, you're talking about Razorlight with me,

01:30:02 ◼   ► - Of course I remember.

01:30:03 ◼   ► - So Johnny Burrell in that video, he is wearing all white.

01:30:06 ◼   ► That's that was my, he was my inspiration for that look.

01:30:10 ◼   ► - He was for a lot of us.

01:30:13 ◼   ► Yes.

01:30:13 ◼   ► 2007, man.

01:30:16 ◼   ► - Big times.

01:30:17 ◼   ► - Good times, good times.

01:30:19 ◼   ► - So for me, yeah, I got a iPad mini.

01:30:23 ◼   ► Phone wise, I wanna do a 13 Pro Max.

01:30:25 ◼   ► I've had the silver now a couple of times in a row

01:30:29 ◼   ► and I really like it, but I was kind of thinking

01:30:30 ◼   ► maybe I mix it up. I don't think I like the blue. And I know I

01:30:35 ◼   ► don't like the gold. I'm afraid the graphite is too like brown

01:30:39 ◼   ► or gray. I think it was the 10 s I had in black or like the dark

01:30:44 ◼   ► color. It was like chocolatey kind of. And I just don't know

01:30:47 ◼   ► about the graphite. So you can get a 12 and graphite right that

01:30:51 ◼   ► that's a thing the 12 had 12 Pro. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's

01:30:55 ◼   ► kind of like a brownie greenie call this so I would like people

01:30:59 ◼   ► to send me pictures of their Graphite 12 Pro

01:31:01 ◼   ► so I can see it in the real world.

01:31:03 ◼   ► - But how do you know it's gonna be the same?

01:31:05 ◼   ► You know what Apple's like.

01:31:07 ◼   ► They sell multiple products right now called Space Gray

01:31:09 ◼   ► and it's different every single time.

01:31:10 ◼   ► - That's true, but it's the closest I have

01:31:13 ◼   ► 'cause I don't wanna go into a store, so hook me up.

01:31:16 ◼   ► Listeners. - You want pictures

01:31:17 ◼   ► of Graphite iPhone 12s.

01:31:20 ◼   ► - Yeah, 12 Pro, yeah.

01:31:22 ◼   ► Ian in the Discord says it's 100% gray.

01:31:26 ◼   ► Send me photos.

01:31:27 ◼   ► If it's gray, that's what I'll do.

01:31:28 ◼   ► And the watch, time will tell, you know,

01:31:31 ◼   ► there's Macs coming too, you only do so much.

01:31:34 ◼   ► - Will you get a case to put on your boring phone or no?

01:31:37 ◼   ► - Yeah, black leather case.

01:31:38 ◼   ► - Oh my gosh.

01:31:39 ◼   ► - You don't like the black leather case?

01:31:40 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's just black on gray, you know?

01:31:43 ◼   ► - I mean, what would you recommend if I do the gray phone?

01:31:46 ◼   ► - Let me take a look, I'll see what colors there are.

01:31:48 ◼   ► - I want leather, I don't like the silicon cases, so.

01:31:51 ◼   ► - Red leather and gray.

01:31:54 ◼   ► - That does sound pretty good actually.

01:31:56 ◼   ► - That's a pretty good combo.

01:31:58 ◼   ► They do a really nice color called wisteria,

01:32:03 ◼   ► which is like a purple.

01:32:04 ◼   ► That looks nice.

01:32:06 ◼   ► Sequoia green would probably look pretty nice.

01:32:08 ◼   ► The dark cherry looks pretty nice.

01:32:09 ◼   ► They don't do a red leather case.

01:32:11 ◼   ► They have golden brown, dark cherry,

01:32:13 ◼   ► sequoia green, midnight of course, and wisteria.

01:32:17 ◼   ► - Why are the colors all bad this year?

01:32:19 ◼   ► That's silly.

01:32:20 ◼   ► - They're just doing their thing.

01:32:21 ◼   ► Federica, what do you think about the new wallet

01:32:23 ◼   ► that can tell you where you dropped it?

01:32:25 ◼   ► - I love it.

01:32:26 ◼   ► I'm gonna get it as quickly as possible.

01:32:28 ◼   ► In fact--

01:32:29 ◼   ► - They also have it in golden brown, dark cherry,

01:32:32 ◼   ► sequoia green, midnight, and wisteria purple.

01:32:34 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah, we'll see about the color.

01:32:36 ◼   ► - I added the purple, okay.

01:32:38 ◼   ► - But yeah, I'm excited about the wallet.

01:32:41 ◼   ► I'm gonna go back to the Apple one,

01:32:42 ◼   ► now that it comes with Find My.

01:32:45 ◼   ► Been using the PopSocket one lately, which has MagSafe.

01:32:48 ◼   ► It's fine, but having MagSafe and Find My

01:32:53 ◼   ► in the same device, that's gonna be super nice.

01:32:56 ◼   ► So yeah, I'm getting that wallet.

01:32:58 ◼   ► - Why do you need a new one for it to do that?

01:33:02 ◼   ► - I don't know.

01:33:03 ◼   ► - It doesn't-- - Chips.

01:33:05 ◼   ► - Does it have a chip in it or is the phone--

01:33:07 ◼   ► - It doesn't have a chip in it.

01:33:08 ◼   ► - Do we know that?

01:33:10 ◼   ► - I mean, what would it have in it?

01:33:11 ◼   ► - Like, I don't know, the guts of an AirTag?

01:33:13 ◼   ► - No, it's not like that.

01:33:15 ◼   ► It's just like when you leave your,

01:33:17 ◼   ► like it's like how AirPods work, right?

01:33:20 ◼   ► Like AirPods have that, but it's not finding,

01:33:24 ◼   ► I don't know, it can't be,

01:33:26 ◼   ► 'cause we would have to have a battery in it, right?

01:33:28 ◼   ► - Yeah, it also doesn't work with the clear case.

01:33:32 ◼   ► - Isn't that weird?

01:33:33 ◼   ► - Which makes no sense to me.

01:33:35 ◼   ► And the clear case is still ugly.

01:33:36 ◼   ► Can we just say that?

01:33:37 ◼   ► Like, why does it, ugh.

01:33:39 ◼   ► - I think they're trying to like make it iconic, you know?

01:33:42 ◼   ► - Yeah, but it's just bad.

01:33:44 ◼   ► - I don't think it's working,

01:33:45 ◼   ► but I think they're gonna keep trying.

01:33:48 ◼   ► - Okay, so that's what we're gonna do.

01:33:51 ◼   ► Myke, what do you think about the overall vibe of the event?

01:33:54 ◼   ► I loved the different locations, even though some of the drone shots were a bit much.

01:33:59 ◼   ► I liked them getting out into the world, I thought that was fun.

01:34:02 ◼   ► I didn't like the whole California thing.

01:34:04 ◼   ► It didn't work for me.

01:34:07 ◼   ► I didn't particularly appreciate it.

01:34:09 ◼   ► I had no affinity for it.

01:34:10 ◼   ► I really like when they just show stuff at Apple Park, I kind of care more about that

01:34:14 ◼   ► personally.

01:34:15 ◼   ► It didn't really make any sense to me why all of the stuff had to be shown.

01:34:22 ◼   ► being shown outside is fine but the fact that it needed to be like California

01:34:28 ◼   ► like was a bit it just didn't work for me however I've seen a lot of people say

01:34:33 ◼   ► like this is really boring or disappointing Apple event and I do not

01:34:36 ◼   ► feel that way at all like I feel like this was more than I would have expected

01:34:41 ◼   ► from the event kind of overall like I the phone was kind of exactly what I

01:34:46 ◼   ► thought and it has some cool extra little bits we got the iPad mini which I

01:34:50 ◼   ► wasn't expecting now. The watch was a disappointment for me but other than the

01:34:53 ◼   ► design everything else is fine about it and it's kind of on par with what I would

01:34:58 ◼   ► have expected. I thought it was a perfectly fine Apple event. It always

01:35:03 ◼   ► surprises me when people get disappointed they don't redesign the

01:35:06 ◼   ► phones every year when that only ever happened for four years of the iPhone's

01:35:11 ◼   ► 13 year life. Yeah it feels... I said this on the the Mac Stories thing yesterday.

01:35:18 ◼   ► If this, and I'm excited about all this,

01:35:21 ◼   ► I think it's, I mean, the watch is maybe

01:35:23 ◼   ► the only slightly disappointing thing

01:35:25 ◼   ► if you really leaned into those rumors.

01:35:27 ◼   ► But like, it's an S here, right?

01:35:29 ◼   ► Even though the number's up by one,

01:35:30 ◼   ► these are S phones, I think, in a lot of ways.

01:35:34 ◼   ► And I think that's totally fine.

01:35:35 ◼   ► Like, I was not disappointed in the event.

01:35:38 ◼   ► I thought they'd had a fun twist on it.

01:35:40 ◼   ► I liked the California stuff.

01:35:41 ◼   ► I know, you know, different people like different things.

01:35:44 ◼   ► I liked the changing it up there.

01:35:46 ◼   ► That shot where Tim Cook stepped out of the desert onto the stage.

01:35:49 ◼   ► It was really cool.

01:35:50 ◼   ► That's nice.

01:35:51 ◼   ► And so, yeah, I don't really have any complaints about it either.

01:35:54 ◼   ► Uh, I think it's going to be a great phone.

01:35:56 ◼   ► I think it's going to be a fantastic iPad mini.

01:35:59 ◼   ► And I think the watch is great if you're coming from an older watch.

01:36:03 ◼   ► And like I said earlier, if you're coming from a five or six, you probably

01:36:06 ◼   ► weren't going to upgrade anyways.

01:36:07 ◼   ► And so I think if you're on the, you know, two, three year cycle on the

01:36:11 ◼   ► watch, it's like a great time to get in.

01:36:12 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:36:13 ◼   ► Fine event.

01:36:14 ◼   ► Can't wait for the iPad mini.

01:36:15 ◼   ► That would be my conclusion.

01:36:17 ◼   ► But the best thing that happened was I retained both chairmanships.

01:36:22 ◼   ► Both. I still have both of them. Both still mine for some more time.

01:36:27 ◼   ► Very good stuff.

01:36:28 ◼   ► Yeah. We'll be back maybe in a month, uh, competing again.

01:36:32 ◼   ► We'll be back next week.

01:36:33 ◼   ► Well, the show will be back next week,

01:36:35 ◼   ► but maybe the Ricky's will be back in like a month.

01:36:37 ◼   ► In like a month.

01:36:38 ◼   ► But one last reminder. Friday, 17th of September, this coming Friday,

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01:37:19 ◼   ► Over at max stories net where he is the editor-in-chief and where his ios 15 review will be

01:37:24 ◼   ► I'm sure we will talk about ios 15 a lot more in future episodes

01:37:28 ◼   ► So stay tuned for that as well and you can find Federico on Twitter of a teach evi ti CCI

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01:37:40 ◼   ► There's a new cortex out there is and we've got a really interesting and weird poster

01:37:44 ◼   ► Which I think people might like I moved into it, but you can also find me at keynote chairman at annual chairman Wow

01:37:51 ◼   ► Wow, that's why you can also find me

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01:37:58 ◼   ► Maybe we need a Twitter account for the loser. Let him have this. Okay fine. Okay

01:38:03 ◼   ► Yeah, let me have it because I have it look Federica. Let me have it cuz I have lunch, but we let you

01:38:10 ◼   ► you know no you didn't yeah my pics were good enough and the coin flip was in my

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