0:00:00(upbeat music)
0:00:02- Hello and welcome to Connected, episode 358.
0:00:11It's made possible this week by our sponsors,
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0:00:17My name is Steven Hackett and I'm joined by Mr. Myke Hurley.
0:00:20- Hello.
0:00:21- Hello.
0:00:22- I have returned.
0:00:24- And we have traded you for Federico.
0:00:26- It's Federico's birthday this week.
0:00:28- Yes.
0:00:29And so if you remember, you know, back to olden times,
0:00:33we would do this in the summer,
0:00:35it becomes silly season on connected
0:00:37and we all start taking weeks off.
0:00:39And last summer that didn't really happen,
0:00:42I think at all.
0:00:44And this year it's happening a little bit more.
0:00:47So you were off, then I was off,
0:00:50now Federico's off and then next week.
0:00:52- Next week we're all off.
0:00:54No, I'm just kidding.
0:00:55- Next week we're all off.
0:00:56Next week the show ends.
0:00:57- Next week you get ATP in this feed.
0:00:59Next week we're all back together and we'll be celebrating
0:01:03Real AFM's seventh? Seventh. Birthday.
0:01:07And we have some very exciting stuff to announce next week on
0:01:10Connected so look out for that. So if you want to be involved and wish Federico a
0:01:14happy birthday
0:01:16I would say send him a tweet with the weird fish emoji in it. You know what might be
0:01:19better?
0:01:20What would be better? Just any of the other fish.
0:01:23Oh! Send non weird fish emoji
0:01:27to Federico. Normal fish. Standard fish shaped fish. There's lots of fish. There's lots of
0:01:35them. Just send them one of those. How many fish emoji are there? Lots actually. There's
0:01:39like regular fish and then there's other types of fish and there's fish on a line. There's
0:01:43a lot of fish. Emojipedia fish. Searching now. Oh yeah. Fish, tropical fish, blowfish
0:01:50and fishing pole. Yep. Or fish cake. But that one. Less of a fish and more of an after fish.
0:01:59Post fish experience. And then depending on how you define it, you've got like shark.
0:02:04It's not a fish. There's a blowfish. Yeah, it's a fish. And there are flags that look
0:02:11like fish. Thank you to Kobothor and the Discord for providing all the points. And then there's
0:02:15the band. That's a different thing. There's no emoji for that. Well it is, it's an old
0:02:20man emoji. Moving on, last week Federico and I spoke about YouTube premium light coming
0:02:30to some countries in the European area of the world.
0:02:37[Laughter]
0:02:38And we had this...
0:02:41I think it was in the Benelux countries mostly.
0:02:44Sure.
0:02:45And you are now wondering, is Myke making something up? If you ever heard that phrase
0:02:50before Ben and Lux?
0:02:51- It's like Belgium, Luxembourg, that little stretch.
0:02:55- And a nuh, and a nuh country.
0:02:57- Nuh, country of nuh.
0:02:59- With a nuh in the middle, you know?
0:03:01(laughing)
0:03:03- It's the country of salt, 'cause salt's,
0:03:05salt's abbreviation on the periodic table is N-A.
0:03:09- Thanks, nerd.
0:03:10- We're not salt, no.
0:03:11What is salt?
0:03:12Oh gosh, I have really messed this up.
0:03:13Salt.
0:03:14- Yeah, you've messed this up so bad,
0:03:15because like one, it's spelled B-E-N-E,
0:03:19It's not even B-E-N-A.
0:03:20It's Benelux, not Benelux.
0:03:22- Salt is sodium chloride, N-A-C-L.
0:03:24I was close. - Nackel.
0:03:25So it's Benecalux.
0:03:27- That'd also be in the show notes.
0:03:29So we're talking about YouTube Premium Lite,
0:03:31and we went down this big rabbit hole of,
0:03:32I wonder if this will include picture in picture.
0:03:34Federico and I both totally forgot
0:03:36that basically everyone is gonna get picture in picture.
0:03:38It's starting out.
0:03:39- This was one of those things.
0:03:41I got to be a listener right to the last episode,
0:03:43which I do actually always enjoy
0:03:44being a listener to the episode.
0:03:47And I got to have one of those moments
0:03:48where I'm like, I'm talking back at you, you know?
0:03:53That's kind of where I were.
0:03:55Where I were?
0:03:56Where I was.
0:03:57Oh my God, what's happened to us today?
0:03:57We need Federico.
0:03:59He saves us from this.
0:04:02You had, I had YouTube picture in picture on my iPad
0:04:05for like three days and then it went away again.
0:04:07- Yeah, I have it everywhere on both my phone
0:04:10and iPad and it's fantastic.
0:04:12- I hate you for that.
0:04:13- Speaking of Luxembourg, Federico and I sent a call out
0:04:17to see if we had any listeners in Luxembourg.
0:04:20And the answer is no.
0:04:21We had some responses of people who think
0:04:23they're in Luxembourg or sometimes visit it.
0:04:25So listener Cedric VD on Twitter lives in Belgium,
0:04:30but sometimes visits Luxembourg,
0:04:32but they do say they listen to Connected
0:04:33while they're there.
0:04:34So that's pretty good, it's pretty close.
0:04:36- That's weird, like is that like a thing?
0:04:37Like I keep Connected when I'm in Luxembourg only?
0:04:41- Maybe.
0:04:42- It's my Luxembourg podcast.
0:04:44- And this sounds like an episode of "Ungenious,"
0:04:46but it's not.
0:04:47Listen, Tyler lives in Luxembourg, Minnesota,
0:04:51but it's spelled differently.
0:04:52- Interesting, I like that.
0:04:54- It has a population of about 600.
0:04:57Get this, his great grandfather's family
0:05:00moved there from the country of Luxembourg
0:05:02in the early 1900s.
0:05:04Maybe they got confused, like,
0:05:05"Oh, there's another Luxembourg.
0:05:07"Oh, it's in Minnesota," but it was too late to go back.
0:05:09- Or it's like, if we're gonna move,
0:05:10we may as well move to Luxembourg, Luxembourg.
0:05:13- Or like New England, New York, New Jersey.
0:05:15- Yeah, it's like, well, we know we like Luxembourg,
0:05:18but we have to leave, so let's just go to the other one.
0:05:20- Mm-hmm.
0:05:22- I'm currently scrolling through our hosting provider
0:05:25to ascertain if we do actually have any listeners
0:05:28from Luxembourg.
0:05:29- Yeah, I mean, I could have done that,
0:05:30but that was a lot of work.
0:05:32- The answer is 21, no, 142 people apparently
0:05:37listened to an episode.
0:05:42Let me see about, maybe I should check
0:05:44last week's episode specifically.
0:05:46- Check last week's episode, yeah.
0:05:48- Because they may not have gotten to it yet, right?
0:05:50It would be, honestly, I would be quite disappointed
0:05:53if that number's correct and not one of them reached out.
0:05:57I feel like I would be excited about that.
0:05:59Okay, nine.
0:06:00There are nine people who listened
0:06:02to last week's episode from Luxembourg.
0:06:04- Look, the nine of you,
0:06:05assuming you were using a VPN to get into Luxembourg,
0:06:08you need to let us know who you are.
0:06:09- Can you imagine?
0:06:10Maybe that's like a long con, right?
0:06:12There's just like four people from like, I don't know, Australia and they're doing the
0:06:17Luxembourg thing because we spoke about it.
0:06:20Maybe.
0:06:21I'm disappointed in those nine people from Luxembourg, honestly.
0:06:24Come on, y'all.
0:06:25This was your time to shine.
0:06:27Represent your tiny country.
0:06:28Yeah.
0:06:29I know nothing about Luxembourg except the size.
0:06:31It's really nice, isn't it?
0:06:32Is it nice?
0:06:33Luxembourg?
0:06:34Yeah.
0:06:35I mean, I don't know.
0:06:36I've never been there.
0:06:37I mean luxury's right in the name.
0:06:38Oh boy.
0:06:39It's also full of robots, hence the Borg that also exists in the name.
0:06:42OtterBox is making a MagSafe game controller clip.
0:06:47This is more really information for Federico.
0:06:50I think people probably sent this to him too.
0:06:52I did want to state, I'm meaning to tell Federico this privately but forgot.
0:06:58Speak to him right now, directly.
0:06:59I know, I'm doing it now.
0:07:02He was talking about issues or pains in his hands when playing games for a long time with
0:07:06his iPhone, right?
0:07:07I'm not sure that mounting a phone to a game controller is going to make that better.
0:07:12Because I think the main issue with this stuff is the weight.
0:07:15I've always found it's like one of my main issues with this stuff is like heavy devices.
0:07:21So like put just like mounting the game control like underneath the phone.
0:07:26I think it's going to add a lot of weight and would would actually put pressure on his
0:07:29wrists.
0:07:30So I'd be keen to know if it ends up because he was saying it was his wrists more than
0:07:34his fingers that were hurting him, which would suggest to me that it wasn't the fact that
0:07:38the button placement was on screen, but that he was holding the phone for so long and playing
0:07:44it. So I'll be keen to see if it works for him, this thing, but I wonder, I do wonder
0:07:48if he's already got the MagSafe OtterBox thing on order, probably, because, you know, he
0:07:54loves MagSafe.
0:07:55Yeah, I mean, it'd be easier to like get in and out of this mode if you just like pop
0:08:00it on there with the magnet. The thing he had had like clamps and stuff on it. I mean,
0:08:03it clamps. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, the MagSafe, that's a really good idea. Way to go Otterbox.
0:08:08box. They're smart people over there. They make a lot of cool things.
0:08:11Well they own...
0:08:13PopSocket?
0:08:14Well they have the strategic partnership of PopSuckers. Is it PopSocket? Yeah I think it is.
0:08:18I think they do.
0:08:19Federico asked why no space gray for the new Magic Keyboard? And I was kind of
0:08:24surprised that you didn't mention this specifically. Again I'm being like a
0:08:28really annoying listener this week.
0:08:29No I love feedback remember? You can email me on the...
0:08:31I can't believe nobody mentioned...
0:08:33Why is no one talking about this?!
0:08:35There's nobody talking about this.
0:08:36There probably is no space gray for the new Magic keyboards
0:08:40because they're gonna wait to do those for Pro machines,
0:08:43I would expect.
0:08:44- Maybe.
0:08:45- So the new Magic keyboards with Touch ID,
0:08:46they'll be like a black one if they have a black iMac Pro
0:08:50or something in the future.
0:08:51- I had the thought the other day,
0:08:53I was, I had my next cube out doing something with it
0:08:57and which you'll find out about sooner or later.
0:09:00- What could it be?
0:09:01- And I thought,
0:09:04This is what the new Mac Pro should be.
0:09:06Like just...
0:09:07Ahh.
0:09:08It's too big. It's huge.
0:09:10The... the... the... like... it...
0:09:11From the image that you sent me, like I could see the texture of it seems a bit gross looking to me.
0:09:17Oh yeah it is. But I mean like just like a black box.
0:09:20Right right right right right right right right right.
0:09:22You wouldn't want it to keep that style of your one?
0:09:25I don't know. I mean I love mine.
0:09:26I think I would like it to, personally.
0:09:29Keep that... keep that kind of...
0:09:30Even though I don't like all of the holes.
0:09:33I think I would like it to keep that aesthetic because it does look cool even though it also
0:09:38freaks me out.
0:09:39You can just like reach down there and feel them.
0:09:41They're very smooth inside.
0:09:42I got them on the back of my display too.
0:09:45You don't cut yourself in one of those?
0:09:47No.
0:09:48No?
0:09:49Who do you think made this?
0:09:50It's very smooth.
0:09:51Did we actually answer what you said about keyboards?
0:09:53Oh, wait for a pro machine.
0:09:54Yeah.
0:09:55Pro machines.
0:09:56Yeah, I think it's going to be pro machines is when you get the gray ones.
0:09:58I bought my wife one of those keyboards that showed up the other day.
0:10:01Set up really easily.
0:10:02So now she has Touch ID when her computer's in clamshell mode.
0:10:05She's excited about it.
0:10:06Sometimes I upgrade things in her setup
0:10:09and there's not a lot of feedback about it.
0:10:12But this time she was pretty psyched about it.
0:10:16- Well, a lot of the time it is just a minor annoyance.
0:10:18- Yeah, it's like, oh, I need your computer for two hours
0:10:20so I can migrate your stuff to it.
0:10:22(laughing)
0:10:23- It's like, I don't want this.
0:10:24I don't want what you're doing for me.
0:10:26Also again, more feedback for you.
0:10:28So my keyboard under the desk,
0:10:32It is velcro attached. That's how I do that. It's like sticky velcro tape.
0:10:36I do like the feeling that it makes me feel like a Bond villain when I turn my computer on.
0:10:41And I needed to charge it for the first time a couple of days ago.
0:10:44But it was totally fine because the yellow braided cable reaches perfectly
0:10:48from the power outlet that I've got on my desk with a USB, like a plug adapter,
0:10:55just to charge it because I have the lightning port is facing towards me.
0:10:59So I could just plug it in. Perfect.
0:11:01I'm happy that it's worked out for you.
0:11:03- I'm very happy with this solution.
0:11:04I would still though like them to just make
0:11:07a wireless touch ID button, just a button, and that's it.
0:11:10Be a really great fidget toy.
0:11:13- It could be really cool too.
0:11:14Like it'd have like a top you have to flip up,
0:11:17like in a jet fighter to launch a missile.
0:11:21- Surely one of these like super smart hacker people
0:11:23could like make one of those.
0:11:25- It's in the secure enclave, baby.
0:11:27- Nah, but you know like the people that like
0:11:28they take apart a PlayStation and put it inside
0:11:31like a matchbox or whatever, right?
0:11:33Like--
0:11:34- I haven't seen that YouTube video.
0:11:35(laughing)
0:11:36- I feel like someone should be able to do this.
0:11:40- I want to point people to upgrade episode 365.
0:11:45You really could have done something clever
0:11:46with the Summer of Fun in 365, I thought, but--
0:11:49- Do you really think, was it the week for fun?
0:11:51- No, because you talked about Apple
0:11:53and the child safety stuff.
0:11:56- Mm-hmm, yep.
0:11:58- You guys did a really good job with it.
0:11:59I listened to the segment, part of it live
0:12:01and the part of it later, and you and Jason
0:12:05basically said anything that I would want to say,
0:12:07so it's actually not gonna be in this episode of Connected.
0:12:10I just wanna point people there.
0:12:11I think, I mean, if I had been on that episode,
0:12:14I would've been in agreement with how you'll handle it,
0:12:15how you spoke about it.
0:12:16It's very complicated.
0:12:17It's okay that there's nuance in it.
0:12:19And if you haven't kept up with this,
0:12:23it's a very, it's just very complicated.
0:12:25And I think y'all did a good job
0:12:27sort of untangling it for people.
0:12:29I didn't want to talk about it again today.
0:12:31- Yeah, it's just, it's heavy and complicated and--
0:12:35- Well I know as well, like if we did it,
0:12:37I'm just gonna do another 45 hours where I'm screaming
0:12:39and then I'm gonna be tired again.
0:12:41And I've already done that, so people can go check it out.
0:12:44And as you say, like, it's incredibly complicated.
0:12:48There's so many points of view.
0:12:50I don't really think there's anything else
0:12:51we could add to it today, particularly.
0:12:54You know, I was thinking about this,
0:12:55like I don't really feel like it's a thing
0:12:57that's going to change.
0:12:58Like it just is what it is and you can now have your opinion on it.
0:13:01And that's, I think that's kind of going to be the end of it for now.
0:13:05I think that's fair. One last thing. It's not really follow up.
0:13:09It's not really follow out. It's kind of just in between. Uh,
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0:13:24That's a good segue. I didn't know how to get from CCAM to this.
0:13:27So good job.
0:13:28- Yeah, there isn't, you just got to embrace it.
0:13:31Just be like, all right, the next thing is this.
0:13:34- They're really good.
0:13:35You want to hear mine on the desk?
0:13:36- Yep.
0:13:37- Very good.
0:13:38- That sounded like it really went for it.
0:13:41You're gonna need a new desk on top of this.
0:13:44- I'm very strong.
0:13:45- I could probably do a couple more actually.
0:13:46Maybe I'll buy some.
0:13:48They're on sale.
0:13:49Now's the time.
0:13:52I have a thing I would like to bring
0:13:57to the former Mac genius, Stephen Hackett.
0:14:00I'm running into some problems with my MacBook Pro,
0:14:02my M1 MacBook Pro, where multiple times a day
0:14:06I get a box that pops up that says,
0:14:08"Your system has run out of application memory."
0:14:11- Just open it up and put more RAM in it.
0:14:12- Yeah, exactly, and then it suggests
0:14:14that I start force quitting applications,
0:14:16and I'm finding this to be very frustrating.
0:14:18It was doing it to me constantly today.
0:14:20I had them restart my computer,
0:14:21and it's like, "Maybe this will help."
0:14:23I don't really know what to do about this.
0:14:25I feel like there's nothing I can do about it.
0:14:27It's not like I have applications open that I don't use.
0:14:31The apps that I have open,
0:14:32they're things that I use multiple times a day, every day,
0:14:36and I don't wanna just be quitting apps.
0:14:38So I think for me personally, I have answered the question.
0:14:42Remember we had that question,
0:14:43is 16 gigabytes of RAM enough on an M1 MacBook Pro?
0:14:46I'll tell you, the answer's no,
0:14:47because that's what I have in it,
0:14:49and constantly I'm getting this.
0:14:51But it's weird to me because I never get out my iMac.
0:14:55- So I did some homework on this
0:14:57because it's also come up a good bit in the MPU forms.
0:15:01- Right.
0:15:02- It definitely seems more likely to happen
0:15:04to people with eight gigabytes of memory
0:15:05as you would imagine.
0:15:07And it seems like some people don't have this problem at all
0:15:11or you have it all the time.
0:15:13And there's nothing in between for whatever reason.
0:15:16- Interesting.
0:15:16I've been having it very frequently recently.
0:15:19- But only on one of your systems, right?
0:15:21And I've never had it on my M1.
0:15:24I don't think Mary's ever had it on hers.
0:15:26And if you do some Googling around,
0:15:29this has actually been a problem
0:15:31that some people have reported since like 2017.
0:15:34So while it may be worse on the M1 Max, it's not--
0:15:39- It's not exclusive to--
0:15:41- Yes, that's what we're looking for,
0:15:42not exclusive to them.
0:15:43So I was like, well, did they change something
0:15:45about the way paging works and not that I can find?
0:15:48So I really don't have a good answer for you.
0:15:50At least that I've seen,
0:15:51Apple doesn't seem to have an answer for this either.
0:15:53Are you good on free space storage wise?
0:15:57- I don't know off the top of my head.
0:15:59- Like maybe it's trying to page out
0:16:01and you don't have any free SSD space?
0:16:03- I'll go check that during the next outbreak
0:16:06and I'll tell you how much space I have on the SSD.
0:16:08Like that, I guess that could maybe make sense, right?
0:16:10That it hasn't got enough to do.
0:16:11Is it swaps?
0:16:12Is that what it's called?
0:16:13Yeah, maybe that's it.
0:16:14I mean, I can't imagine.
0:16:16And again, you know, like sometimes your storage
0:16:19can just get away from you, right?
0:16:20like you don't really realize what you've got going on.
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0:17:41- I have 600 gigabytes of free space available,
0:17:46so I don't think that's the issue.
0:17:47And currently right now I have 16 gigabytes of memory, 12 gigabytes being used, 3.8 gigabytes
0:17:53of cache files, and 130 megabytes of swap.
0:17:56None of that sounds bananas to me, I don't think.
0:17:59Who knows, maybe like a restart helps every now and then.
0:18:02Maybe.
0:18:03I don't know.
0:18:04Because I was noticing some things were like, you know like Dropbox was like a gigabyte.
0:18:07It's like that seems like too much.
0:18:10And right now it's a 420, so blaze it.
0:18:14Safari is a big culprit for me, I think.
0:18:17not as bad as, not as bad as Chrome. Well, because the thing I, the main, the main, like
0:18:23if I look at an activity monitor, for Safari it's Google Docs and Google Drive seem to
0:18:28be the bigger culprits. I bet that would actually be better in Chrome. So, up next let's talk
0:18:33about iOS 15 Beta 5. No Safari changes. There are a couple like super minor things. I will
0:18:42give a little pro tip here if use your phone in dark mode and you don't like
0:18:48the tab bar bouncing between dark and light you can turn off the setting to
0:18:53use the blur on the bottom tab it's in the Safari settings and that helps it
0:18:59stay matching to the dark mode you set your phone in but yeah no it's still
0:19:04Safari 15 it's still bad it's still mostly terribly unusable I mean they
0:19:11I made some tweaks to the iPad, mostly visual ones.
0:19:14It cleaned that up a little bit, the tabs in my opinion.
0:19:17I mean, I'm getting used to it,
0:19:19but they put a new little outline around the address bar.
0:19:22I don't really know why. - Fixed.
0:19:24- I think they're gonna ship it.
0:19:28- Yeah, my thought is if we get to beta six
0:19:30and this is still how it is, then this is what it is.
0:19:33- I don't think it's gonna,
0:19:34I think they'll make some tweaks,
0:19:37continue to make tweaks like they have been
0:19:38to what we've got.
0:19:40but I don't think they're going to revert it.
0:19:44I just asked just where I will put my money on this
0:19:47right now, I think that's what they're gonna,
0:19:50I think that's what they're gonna go with.
0:19:52- I can't wait for like the public to discover this design.
0:19:55It's gonna be great.
0:19:57It's not gonna be great.
0:19:59There's some new weather stuff too, new weather icon.
0:20:02And something that I've noticed basically immediately
0:20:05is that a lot of apps now have those splash screens,
0:20:09lot of Apple apps where they tell you this is what this app does in terms of
0:20:13privacy or this is new features in this app. The biggest one I think is reminders
0:20:18that has like you have to like scroll not that you can tell because it's not a
0:20:23scroll bar but directions on how smart lists work. Yeah there's a lot of it.
0:20:28There's a lot of text on that one like really going into detail it's like a
0:20:32manual but I'm not complaining like it I like the way that this page is designed
0:20:38We'll put a link in the show notes to a tweet that has it from @talkaboutdesign.
0:20:45And I think it's good.
0:20:47If it's a complicated feature, people might want to know about it, and this seems to go
0:20:52into detail about how it works.
0:20:54So go for it, I guess.
0:20:56They've also tweaked the shortcuts "allow," "always allow" in that business.
0:21:04It seems to be a little bit better for me, but I haven't spent a ton of time on my phone
0:21:09since yesterday.
0:21:10So it seems like so this is Alan Miller on Twitter was posting about this that one they
0:21:16were showing a bunch of like sample data in the privacy alert, but then also allow once
0:21:23allow always allow don't allow things what we have before I was just wondering like if
0:21:28they're tweaking that kind of stuff.
0:21:29Maybe they will have fixed what was very clearly a bug that you two were talking about last
0:21:34week, you know, in that it seems to just randomly continue to give you the alert.
0:21:40This is actually not a bug I have. Oh man. With the shortcuts that I use on my
0:21:46iPad, I never get like re-asked to do the always allowing thing and I am
0:21:52doing some stuff like I'm, you know, I'm like uploading one to Dropbox or
0:21:55whatever so like I have like a receipt thing so I would see that like, you know,
0:22:01because it's one of the things where I have to do the allow, but no it doesn't happen.
0:22:05I'd rather have to hit always allow more than one time than have my computer being out of application memory.
0:22:11[laughs]
0:22:13Which isn't even really a thing.
0:22:14Yeah, well I guess that's the great thing about the iPad compared to the Mac.
0:22:18Didn't you switch back to the Mac?
0:22:20Yeah, well now maybe I'll go back again.
0:22:22I was getting very frustrated when that thing was happening to me,
0:22:25because it was kind of like, "iOS deals with this, just deal with it.
0:22:29Why are you telling me to force quit things?
0:22:31Just deal with it.
0:22:32I was that's how I was getting frustrated about it today.
0:22:35It was annoying me.
0:22:36It's like I don't feel like the computer should be asking me
0:22:39to force quit applications like the computer can just handle it.
0:22:42Suspend an app like, you know what I'm doing.
0:22:45Just suspend the application like it's fine.
0:22:48No, make me force quit instead.
0:22:51And there are new icons in shortcuts like for you to add to a shortcut.
0:22:57and it seems like there's a selection of new ones.
0:22:59I still just want to be able to have like
0:23:01either all of SF symbols or just emoji, you know?
0:23:04Same thing I wanted forever.
0:23:05- Yeah, and you can do that in reminders.
0:23:07You can have a list and just put an emoji in front of it,
0:23:11but oh no, if it's on, if it's in shortcuts,
0:23:15you can't do it.
0:23:15That's the sort of thing that just would be standardized
0:23:17across Apple apps.
0:23:18Mark Gurman's back.
0:23:20- I feel like you always say that, like he goes away.
0:23:22- He does, he goes out into the wilderness
0:23:25and he gathers up Apple rumors in his little basket
0:23:28and then he comes back and dumps them out on the table.
0:23:30And he's come back with a bunch of stuff
0:23:32about the iPhone 13, which is pretty interesting.
0:23:36Do we wanna start with the camera rumors?
0:23:38- Yeah, tell me all about it.
0:23:39- So, Germin reports that a video version
0:23:44of portrait mode will be coming.
0:23:47My guess is probably just to the Pro phones.
0:23:51I think he sort of talks about that a little bit later on
0:23:54that, hey, a lot of this camera stuff
0:23:55may just be for the pro phones.
0:23:57But basically it would be portrait mode for video.
0:24:00Internally it's dubbed cinematic video,
0:24:02which I could totally see Apple just calling it that.
0:24:05'Cause everything has to have a proper name
0:24:08if you're a feature written by an Apple engineer.
0:24:10This will be paired with the ability to record video
0:24:13in a higher quality format called ProRes.
0:24:17This is Apple's lossy video compression format.
0:24:20It supports up to 8K.
0:24:21It's been around a long time.
0:24:23A lot of cameras shoot natively in ProRes,
0:24:26and Final Cut you can render into ProRes
0:24:29and then use the afterburner card if you have a Mac Pro.
0:24:32And it is sort of thought that this would be
0:24:34the higher end video codec option
0:24:39as like a sibling to ProRAW for photos
0:24:41that they introduced last year.
0:24:43- Does anybody use the ProRAW?
0:24:45I mean, I'm sure some people do.
0:24:46- I don't.
0:24:47- I never feel like I ever hear anything about that.
0:24:50- Yeah, I don't.
0:24:53I don't.
0:24:54Is that bad?
0:24:55- No, why would it be?
0:24:56Like I felt like do you consider yourself
0:24:58a professional photographer?
0:24:59- I mean, not really.
0:25:01- Although you did make a calendar.
0:25:02You know, I make an account.
0:25:03- I did make a calendar.
0:25:05I'm pro as heck.
0:25:06That's what we're saying.
0:25:08- I just feel like I tried like playing around with halide.
0:25:12I think I just like raw is just, it's more than I need.
0:25:16Like it's, I don't really know what I'm doing with it.
0:25:18And to be honest, it feels like it would add a layer
0:25:21of complexity that I'm not really looking for?
0:25:25- Yeah, I feel like if I'm gonna shoot a picture
0:25:28that I want those options for,
0:25:31that I would like to think that I may have,
0:25:34may already have my big camera with me.
0:25:36It is not something I think like,
0:25:37oh, I should have, you know, I should shoot raw.
0:25:40- Do you shoot in raw?
0:25:42- I do on my Sony, yeah.
0:25:44- Why?
0:25:44- So I can do lots of additional editing.
0:25:46- 'Cause I guess for you,
0:25:49in the times that you would even consider using RAW on the phone,
0:25:55you would already have your actual camera.
0:25:57I think so.
0:25:58It feels like to do the RAW thing, you are like making the decision in advance,
0:26:04like I'm going to shoot in RAW now, you know, like that's what I'm going to do.
0:26:08So I'm sure some people leave it on all the time,
0:26:10but I would expect most people wouldn't because the file sizes are much larger.
0:26:14Yeah, I just feel like the pro RAW thing is something that I maybe
0:26:18was expecting to hear more about. I don't know why. Maybe I kind of conflated it wrong
0:26:24in my brain where it's like every year when Apple has their like, we're bringing out Phil
0:26:29Schiller now Greg to Jaws React to talk about the new thing in the camera, right? That it
0:26:34becomes a big thing, you know, like portrait mode and what was the, what is the one with
0:26:41the, where it does the sweater thing? You know what I'm talking about?
0:26:44Uh, deep fusion.
0:26:45Yeah, and it's like that becomes just like a big part of the camera.
0:26:49So like maybe I kind of gotten used to like, oh this segment means like this is the thing
0:26:53that's going to be important to everyone.
0:26:55But I guess ProRAW is very like, no, it's not for you.
0:27:00Like it's really like for people that take images professionally on an iPhone.
0:27:09I guess it's more for that.
0:27:10I mean it's a fringy thing I think.
0:27:13So in addition to all that video stuff, there's also going to be a new filter-like system
0:27:18that improves the look of colors and photos.
0:27:22And so Germin goes on into more detail saying that instead of just laying one filter across
0:27:28the entire picture, that Apple is going to use the recognition it already has in the
0:27:33camera to recognize faces and objects and pets and precisely apply changes to just the
0:27:43the part of the photos that you would want.
0:27:44And so instead of having to maybe brighten the whole photo
0:27:47if someone's in a little bit of shadow,
0:27:48you could just bring up the skin tones
0:27:50or just bring up the shadow on their face
0:27:52and not necessarily the surrounding background
0:27:55is sort of how I read this.
0:27:56- I mean, I would really like this for photos.
0:27:58- Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
0:28:00- Right, like I would really like this.
0:28:02Like, you know, when I edit pictures,
0:28:04like sometimes I want to make adjustments to the color
0:28:08but without changing the skin tones.
0:28:11And so like, you know, like I want to change like the color of the sky or the color of like,
0:28:16you know, the background behind or even the color of the clothing, but I don't want to make like my
0:28:22wife's face like be red, you know. So then I have to like pull back on what I'm looking for. But so
0:28:30that would be super interesting if I could do that. One thing I was thinking about too is like
0:28:34if they could create some stuff that could be used like you've probably seen, I know that neither
0:28:39than me or you do the TikTok.
0:28:42But I'm sure you've seen like TikTok videos that are made
0:28:45where like you basically have a green screen effect
0:28:47kind of behind you and people put like things behind them.
0:28:50I was thinking Apple could try and do something like that
0:28:52if they wanted to maybe, could be interesting.
0:28:54Like bake that into the iPhone
0:28:56and make that like a part of it.
0:28:57Like you could say like, well, just this is the person,
0:29:01everything that's behind the person replace of this.
0:29:04- Sounds like a clips feature, honestly.
0:29:06Like put it in there.
0:29:07- I mean, for all I know,
0:29:09Steven Clips already does this, but I--
0:29:11- Yeah, I don't have it installed.
0:29:13Yeah, and I think he's not clear on this,
0:29:17but my assumption would be this filtering
0:29:19would be in the photos app, not the camera app.
0:29:22But you know, for a while they had filters
0:29:25in the camera app.
0:29:25Do you remember that?
0:29:26And then they ditched them.
0:29:28But for a while you could like, yeah, in like iOS--
0:29:32- No, they ditched them.
0:29:33- Yeah, they're gone, I think.
0:29:35- No, they're there.
0:29:36- Are they camera?
0:29:37yeah, you got to do that swipe up thing where you get the additional settings
0:29:41and there's a like a little three ring in the world of laying each other and
0:29:47then you can go in and you can get filters. I honestly, I would expect if
0:29:51they're going to do this, they would do it live to live because that's apples
0:29:57whole thing right like you go swipe up, so you get like the additional settings
0:30:01and then you can go to vivid one looks like I would imagine like so for me
0:30:06like for me, the idea of having a filter that is applied afterwards, that feels like a Samsung
0:30:12thing, right? It's just like, we'll just do this, it's gonna work, it's gonna be great.
0:30:16Apple's whole bag is like, look how good our technology and chips are and stuff, like they
0:30:21go the extra mile sometimes unnecessarily. But then if you take it in the camera, then
0:30:25it's in the image and in photos you can undo things. Maybe it's both places. I mean, those
0:30:30same, vivid, cool, whatever are also in the photos editing screen, so maybe it just lives
0:30:35where those things live. If that was the case though I feel like that they would
0:30:38they should change that like the idea like if you take it with the filter on
0:30:41then it's gonna be like I feel like they should save the image and in the
0:30:44metadata right that will let's see you're gonna try it now I'm gonna take a
0:30:48dramatic warm photo so it looks like it's Instagram in 2012 they are so like
0:30:54all of Apple's filters like I hope that they get that the plan is to redo all of
0:30:58these because it is very like hipstamatic you know like they're not
0:31:03very good because plus anyway like color filters they're just not a thing that
0:31:07people do anymore so I would be intrigued what this would look like.
0:31:10I went to go edit it and it had the dramatic warm filter applied to it in
0:31:14the photos edit screen so I can just change it back to original and it's
0:31:18there. So yeah that's very good then and they don't they don't bake that in.
0:31:21Mark Gurman also he also just confirmed a bunch of stuff from previous reports
0:31:27that they're gonna have the 5.4 and 6.1 inch phones and the 6.7 inch
0:31:33phone so mini, two regular sizes and a max, smaller notch, new screen technology, faster
0:31:39refresh rate and faster A15 system on a chip. So all the kind of stuff that we're going
0:31:46through. I mentioned this to Jason the other day, I see if it makes you feel the same as
0:31:51it made him feel. So I got a little chip in the rail of my phone, just like a very tiny
0:32:00It's just enough that I feel it every now and then but say hey, but I think I've done pretty well to be honest
0:32:05I've had no case in this phone the entire time. So honestly, I've never damaged a phone. So I don't really I can't relate to this
0:32:10Yeah, you couldn't you couldn't sympathize at all
0:32:13You couldn't sympathize at all with a very lightly damaged phone that doesn't all impact the usage of it
0:32:20If I break a phone I go all the way baby. And when I did it I kind of was like, oh, that's fine
0:32:25I'll probably have a new one in like six weeks
0:32:29That's very soon, isn't it?
0:32:31Yeah, how is that possible?
0:32:33Isn't it?
0:32:34I don't, I don't like it.
0:32:35Isn't that wild? It's not far at all.
0:32:39No, there's a lot of things coming up at us on our calendar very quickly.
0:32:42I mean, the end of the year is like here, man.
0:32:44Yeah, yeah, it hit me harder in also understanding what's happening in about that length of time from now.
0:32:51We'll hear about it next time.
0:32:52Yep, of course they could delay the phones or whatever, but I mean,
0:32:57I mean, but my personal thought is it's gonna be a September announcement and who knows
0:33:03and they, you know, like from the owners report they were saying they'll be constrained.
0:33:06I imagine that it's, you know, it's gonna be hard to get them for a bit, I guess.
0:33:10I just have no gauge of like, will they come out in September? Will they come out in October?
0:33:15Like maybe the, I mean, they've been all over the place the last few years. I mean, even
0:33:19going back to like the 8 and 10, remember the 8 came out and the 10 was later and they
0:33:23will be out this fall. That's all I can, that's all I'm willing to say.
0:33:26- I think it's gonna be September
0:33:27because they didn't give--
0:33:28- Think they're just gonna nail it?
0:33:30- Well, they didn't give an indication
0:33:32on the last earnings call that they wouldn't start
0:33:35having sales in September.
0:33:36- Oh yeah.
0:33:37- It would be in their best interest to say that.
0:33:39I think if they thought that wasn't going to happen,
0:33:42they just said they're going to be supply constrained.
0:33:45They didn't say it's coming later.
0:33:48So some will be on sale in September would be my guess.
0:33:51I don't know when in September.
0:33:53and then the rest will mostly be on sale through October.
0:33:57- I'm excited.
0:33:57You know, in his tweet, he was like,
0:33:59"This is a minor update."
0:34:00It's like, this all sounds pretty good to me.
0:34:03- I think people are, I feel, undervaluing the screen.
0:34:07- The high refresh rate?
0:34:11- High refresh rate potentially always on display.
0:34:13I think that's gonna be a big,
0:34:15I think that's gonna be a pretty big feature,
0:34:17but at the moment, because we can't see it or experience it,
0:34:20and nobody knows what an iPhone would be like
0:34:22with a 120 hertz refresh rate display.
0:34:26It's kinda just feels like it's not gonna be a lot,
0:34:28but I think it's gonna be pretty mega.
0:34:31I'm super excited about it.
0:34:33- I'll be too, as long as you can turn it off.
0:34:35- Yeah, it's gonna suck for you.
0:34:36- I'll just have to use it.
0:34:37Oh no, all the Android phones already have it.
0:34:40Oh no. (laughs)
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0:36:21Roast my doc, Steven.
0:36:23Roasted, baby.
0:36:24I'm gonna roast it.
0:36:25I'm gonna do yours or mine first.
0:36:29Let's do yours first.
0:36:30This is just in the document first.
0:36:31So people may remember we did Roast My Man Ubar a while ago.
0:36:35The three of us enjoyed that segment so much that we thought we would actually just make
0:36:38it like a thing that we'll do every now and again.
0:36:41And doc was an obvious one.
0:36:44because Stevens no Stevens here oh my how old am I I'm getting the two of you
0:36:49mixed up now because Federico's away this week we figured we may as well just
0:36:53do a Mac one now because you know they've got to give them just the stock
0:36:58doc with like the books admitted still oh thank goodness I get to I movie so
0:37:02quickly all right let's talk about doc settings first and then we talk about
0:37:07what's in the doc how about that yeah you you took it and turned it by adding
0:37:10this one in there. This is the worst, so this is the second worst system preference pane
0:37:15at for keyboard, they're both terrible, but my dock is on the right hand side. It is pretty
0:37:23big it basically takes the whole screen top to bottom and it moves. I was really surprised
0:37:28about the size indicator of yours because that makes it seem like it would be the biggest
0:37:35- No, it's not huge.
0:37:37- The icon's not large?
0:37:38- The dock isn't even as wide as the clock.
0:37:41Right now my clock says 1255 p.m.,
0:37:43the dock isn't even as wide as that.
0:37:45- I guess for you, maybe what Apple considers small and large
0:37:50is different to magnification, right?
0:37:53Magnification is size of icons,
0:37:54small and large is like height or length of the dock,
0:37:59which is weird.
0:38:00- And it's variable dependent on the number of things
0:38:02you have in the dock,
0:38:03and I tend to have a lot of things in my dock, so.
0:38:05- Yeah, and you have a massive display, so.
0:38:09- Magnification is turned off because I'm not an animal.
0:38:12I noticed on yours, we'll get to this,
0:38:14but your magnification is set to max,
0:38:16but then you unchecked it.
0:38:17It was like, at one point he had it all the way up.
0:38:19Position on the screen, like I said, is right.
0:38:21I use the Genie effect to minimize windows.
0:38:24Double-clicking the windows title bar, minimize,
0:38:25I think all that stuff is stock.
0:38:27I animate opening applications.
0:38:31The dock is always visible.
0:38:33You show recent applications in the dock.
0:38:37That is interesting to me.
0:38:39- Because there's some things like transmit
0:38:42or forecast or something I may need pretty often,
0:38:45but not often enough to want them in the dock.
0:38:47So most of the time they're just hanging out down there.
0:38:50It's also great if you accidentally quit an application,
0:38:52you can very quickly get back to it.
0:38:54- But I do feel like I mostly launch my applications
0:38:58from Alfred.
0:38:59- So here's the thing, so do I.
0:39:01In a way, the dock for me is legacy.
0:39:04It's a way to see what's running
0:39:06and I can drag things from Finder
0:39:07into different applications,
0:39:09but I very rarely launch things from it, I feel like.
0:39:13I really tried to pay attention to that this past week
0:39:15'cause I knew this was coming.
0:39:16And...
0:39:17- Yeah, I feel like I'm pretty mixed.
0:39:19I know I do it, but it's nowhere near as often.
0:39:21- Yeah.
0:39:22And I keep my dock fully visible.
0:39:23I think I said that, but I don't have it hide
0:39:25and then reappear.
0:39:26That doesn't make any sense to me.
0:39:28Top to bottom, I guess, 'cause I have it on the side
0:39:31where it belongs.
0:39:32Here's the thing about that.
0:39:33I'm just gonna wander straight into the hottest fire
0:39:37in the pit of Mac OS fandom hell.
0:39:40The dock doesn't belong in the bottom
0:39:42because you have less real estate top to bottom
0:39:45on your screen.
0:39:46Put it on the side so you can have more
0:39:49vertical real estate.
0:39:50Why would you have it on the bottom?
0:39:52Why would you do that?
0:39:53Don't do that.
0:39:54- Lots of people do.
0:39:55- Yeah, and it's wrong.
0:39:56- But I don't know why they do.
0:39:57- Lots of people smoke.
0:39:58They shouldn't smoke, you know?
0:40:01That's what I'm comparing this to.
0:40:02Okay, top to bottom.
0:40:03- That's odd.
0:40:05That's an odd, like a really odd comparison.
0:40:08- I was gonna say a lot of people think
0:40:10you shouldn't get the vaccine,
0:40:11but I didn't wanna go into that,
0:40:12so I said smoking is terrible.
0:40:13(laughing)
0:40:15- Well, those people are straight wrong, so.
0:40:17- Finder, obviously, it's always the first one.
0:40:20And then messages, mail.
0:40:23And then the first third party app is Todoist.
0:40:27- Okay, so I already have a question for you, right?
0:40:30- Why do you put messages and mail together?
0:40:33- I tend to try to group my things kind of loosely.
0:40:37So like mail and messages is kind of communication.
0:40:41- This is the path I was trying to walk you down because--
0:40:45- But it's different than Slack and Discord
0:40:47and that's a different type of communication.
0:40:49(laughing)
0:40:51- In what way?
0:40:52- I'm not saying there's-- - In what way are they different?
0:40:52- This is where things have landed over the years
0:40:55and where now I just am used to things being, right?
0:40:58- If I arranged it in a way that would make sense
0:41:00based on category, I would never find anything in my doc.
0:41:03- Yep, yep.
0:41:05- Next I have Safari and Slack, Discord and Twitter.
0:41:10Discord and Twitter, by the way,
0:41:11no, we're not talking about this today,
0:41:12they live in their own space, just them.
0:41:16It's kind of like my social space.
0:41:18And then I have Calendar,
0:41:20Craft, which is my note-taking application.
0:41:24Everything's in Craft now, I've just given up on Apple Notes
0:41:27except one shared folder with my spouse.
0:41:30Reader for RSS reading.
0:41:33- Wait, let's stop on that.
0:41:35So you have everything in craft.
0:41:39What does that mean?
0:41:41Like what is everything?
0:41:42Tell me the type of stuff that goes in craft.
0:41:43- Let me just read you my folder names, how about that?
0:41:45- Then tell me all the names of all of your books.
0:41:48- Five 12 pixels.
0:41:50Book highlights is where I export highlights out of Kindle
0:41:54and save them.
0:41:56Checklists, events and travel,
0:41:58that one, the only thing in there is my TSA pre-check number
0:42:01the rest of that folder is empty.
0:42:02- Nice, nice, nice, nice.
0:42:04- Freelance, home, which is like house and car stuff,
0:42:08HTM, so Hack and Technical Media,
0:42:12my company apart from Relay, manuals.
0:42:16So if I need to look up,
0:42:17how do I do this on my MixPre-6?
0:42:20I have a PDF just right there.
0:42:24OBS, which is My Brother's Nonprofit.
0:42:26I'm on the board, so I have some things there.
0:42:28Podcastathon, podcastathon things go in there.
0:42:33Podcasts, so links that I'm saving for future ones.
0:42:39I have a list of all the dating questions
0:42:41I've ever asked Federico, my--
0:42:44- So tell me the notes that are in there.
0:42:47What's in the podcast, do you have,
0:42:52for example, I have a note for Connected
0:42:54where I save links and stuff like that.
0:42:55- Yes, so I have one called connected links,
0:42:57lift off links, MPU feedback.
0:42:59- And how do you save stuff to those?
0:43:01- Through the extension, if it's a URL
0:43:05or a tweet or something, and if it's just text
0:43:07in an email, I'll just copy and paste it into its own block.
0:43:10And there's also some random things,
0:43:12like sometimes Audition just resets all of its settings,
0:43:15and I can't remember how I set my loudness settings,
0:43:17and so I have a screenshot of that now.
0:43:20You know, sort of like podcasty things.
0:43:24Relay FM, which is just things that I keep
0:43:26not in Google Docs that we don't necessarily need together,
0:43:29but some things that I just need access to.
0:43:31And then I have one for yearly themes,
0:43:32which has my notes for 19, 20, and 21,
0:43:35related to that. - That's my idea.
0:43:37- So it's work and personal kind of mixed in together
0:43:39in those broad folders.
0:43:41- And you are like, I think you take notes like me, right?
0:43:46Like you have a note which is like a topic
0:43:49and then a bunch of stuff goes in each individual note.
0:43:51- Yes, yeah. - You know, one of these
0:43:53weird obsidian people, where it's like every possible thought gets its own note and then
0:43:58it all interconnects with a mesh network.
0:44:01No, I don't need that in any way.
0:44:03I fail to still understand how any people think that way, but you know, we're all different.
0:44:08It's the Zettelkasten method.
0:44:10Yeah, I also have, not in craft, I need to put it in here, I have scanned PDFs because
0:44:14I carry a paper notebook, a Field Notes notebook with me everywhere, and then I scan those
0:44:18when I fill them up and I have all those as PDFs and I want to put them in craft, I just
0:44:22haven't yet. I feel like Notes would be better for those though because it can do the scanning
0:44:27in the OCR, right? Oh yeah, I need to see if it works with my handwriting. I should
0:44:32look at that. Because right now they're just in a PDF on Dropbox. I mean I've been pretty
0:44:35surprised with live text, like it does a pretty good job, so I wouldn't be surprised. So I
0:44:42mentioned Reader, I got Good Links which is kind of like Instapaper but it's a native
0:44:47app like I said there's a website John Voorhees turned me on to that I really
0:44:51like it Devin think which is where I keep all of my Apple history and then
0:44:57really tech history library is like 20 almost 25,000 items in their individual
0:45:03items that is a fun place to go after that I've got day one I got several
0:45:11journals in day one so you need the name those teams I keep a dream journal
0:45:16Can you give a dramatic reading of today's dream, please?
0:45:20Yes.
0:45:20Connect with the audience?
0:45:21Yeah, let me open day one. Let's see.
0:45:23Dreams.
0:45:25Title is "Head and Shoulders." I wrote this at 6.35 a.m.
0:45:29I had a dream that I was watching/making/in a movie.
0:45:35I seemed throughout the--
0:45:37Wait, wait, wait.
0:45:38Watching/making?
0:45:41I think within the dream, my role in the movie changed.
0:45:44- Oh, wow, that's nasty.
0:45:45That is quite a view of yourself.
0:45:50You go from having watched something to now I make it.
0:45:53- I saw a calendar and I said, "I can make a calendar."
0:45:57- You're like that, the meme of like,
0:46:00"I made this, take it, take it."
0:46:03I made this.
0:46:04- I made this.
0:46:05The movie was about a high school football team.
0:46:09It was graded in sepia tones,
0:46:11kind of like, "Oh brother, where art thou?"
0:46:13Remember that had like very particular coloring in that film?
0:46:17That's what this movie looked like.
0:46:19The movie was sponsored by Head & Shoulders shampoo and the product integration was the
0:46:27coach would hand out little sample packets of the shampoo as encouragement to the players
0:46:32and they would have notes on them.
0:46:33For example, "Your head and shoulders above their defensive line."
0:46:37I want to know more about the way that this happens in your life.
0:46:42I mean, one, I have already read this today, so like, my initial reaction would have been
0:46:46greater if that was the first time that had come to me, right?
0:46:49What if I read you one that you haven't heard before?
0:46:51Yes!
0:46:52Okay, let me see.
0:46:54I gotta find one that's like relevant, like where you know...
0:46:57Nah, maybe it's better if I don't.
0:46:59Oh no, I have one about WWDC.
0:47:01Okay, hold on a minute.
0:47:03When do you like write these down?
0:47:05First thing in the morning.
0:47:06So like, you wake up and just immediately write down?
0:47:09Do you ever wake up in the middle of the night and do it?
0:47:11Or do you just like, you wake up--
0:47:12- I've tried that, but they make even less sense.
0:47:16- See, I don't, I just don't remember.
0:47:18I don't dream a lot and I def, I would never know.
0:47:22So you just went every day?
0:47:24- No, it's like a handful of months.
0:47:26- Still a while to remember. - That I remember.
0:47:28I got one about high school.
0:47:30But I got one about WWDC.
0:47:33And just, give me real quick.
0:47:34- Have I heard this one before though?
0:47:35- I don't think so.
0:47:36- Okay.
0:47:37- Okay, so this was May 14th, so you know,
0:47:39a month before at WBC. Everyone was back at WBC. Myke and I did not have press access,
0:47:45but several of our friends were able to talk to Eddie Q into it.
0:47:49- You have told me this one. You have told me this one, but keep going.
0:47:52- That conversation took place near the theater across the street from the middle school I attended.
0:47:57We then went inside and ran into Craig Federighi. He was tense and seemed a little on edge. I asked
0:48:05him if he still got nervous before keynotes and he said that he did. We then talked a
0:48:09little bit about sports and he brought out a soccer ball from behind the check-in desk.
0:48:14He kicked it past me and some other people started playing with it, so Myke, Federico,
0:48:18John, Marco and I started to go into the venue. I turned around just in time to see someone
0:48:24drill the ball right into Craig's face with a powerful kick. As he fell to the ground,
0:48:30someone else returned the kick for him with one that sailed into a large glass panel smashing
0:48:35it into pieces. At this point, we decided to find seats in the back of the theater and
0:48:39pretend we had no idea what was going on in the lobby. That didn't last long, as a bloodied
0:48:44Craig and angry Eddie found us pretty quickly. They took our credentials and told us they'd
0:48:53make an example out of relay FM on stage in front of the world.
0:48:57(laughing)
0:48:58They just delete us from Apple Podcasts.
0:49:01I remember I had a pre-WWDC dream
0:49:05where I had to do a dramatic reading from a book on stage.
0:49:09I didn't want to do it and Tim Cook was mad at me.
0:49:12That's the as much, mine are nowhere near as good
0:49:15or detailed as yours,
0:49:16but I just remember having had that dream.
0:49:19We are having some real anxiety dreams
0:49:20with WWDC this year, huh?
0:49:22- Yeah, I didn't even finish it.
0:49:24- Oh, is it not done?
0:49:25There's more? - Yeah.
0:49:25There's one more paragraph.
0:49:26- Oh, my apologies.
0:49:28- As we left, my friends were all mad at me,
0:49:30thinking the soccer ball thing had been my fault.
0:49:33I insisted that Craig had produced the ball,
0:49:36but no one believed me.
0:49:38We were taunted on the street as we walked out of the venue.
0:49:42I flew home the next day in shame.
0:49:44(laughing)
0:49:46- Didn't even stay around for the live show that year.
0:49:48- No.
0:49:49- Guess we've been made an example of at this point.
0:49:51- I guess so.
0:49:53So day one, and then Notion.
0:49:56Notion is here as a reminder, as like a task,
0:50:00'cause I have been slowly cataloging my collection in Notion
0:50:03and I just haven't finished it.
0:50:06- Why do you wanna do that in Notion?
0:50:08- So people can like peruse it on the web.
0:50:10- But Kraft does that.
0:50:11- Yeah, oh yeah, it does, doesn't it?
0:50:14I don't think Kraft did it when I started it in Notion.
0:50:16I should just do it in Kraft.
0:50:18- Yeah.
0:50:19- I'm taking Notion out of the dock.
0:50:19- Well, don't do it until you've taken it out of Notion.
0:50:22- Well, I didn't get very far.
0:50:24- Okay.
0:50:25than photos and music. Mm-hmm. One password. Find my... Find my... Find my... In the dock.
0:50:34Well sometimes I want to know where like family members are, you know, or what you're
0:50:39doing. Where are you right now? You're in your office. Can I read the
0:50:43things right around your office? Absolutely not, no. 100,000% no. Shall I read the
0:50:49things around your home? No, please don't do that. No, how about that. I do some questions about some of these
0:50:54places that we can talk about offline though. Yeah you can talk to me about
0:50:57those in your own time. Yeah. Not on our shared time, thanks. Okay. Yeah I mean I
0:51:04use Find My too but I don't think I'd ever consider putting it in the in the
0:51:09dock. So here's the thing, 1Password used to be the bottom of the dock and
0:51:13everything after that has been added in recent years and so Find My showed up in
0:51:20there I guess at one point when it showed up on the Mac and then Parcel the
0:51:24delivery tracking app which I really like and then the three podcast apps
0:51:28audio hijack zoom and forecast where is your editing app well I always open
0:51:35logic from finder so I have a bunch of templates I copy the template into a new
0:51:39folder yeah rename it and then open the template and that opens logic for me so
0:51:43I don't need it in the doc do you just open logic like just from this icon yeah
0:51:47sometimes? I mean I do what you do but I also open it sometimes. Yeah I do it
0:51:55rarely enough that Alfred would be good enough. Like I said there's not a lot of
0:51:58logic in this unfortunately. Hey-o! Was that a pun? So I think maybe one of the
0:52:04things that we do differently is I quite frequently have edits that I come back
0:52:09to like the next day or whatever you know so then if you just open logic it
0:52:14immediately opens to your last project.
0:52:16So sometimes that's just the easiest way
0:52:19for me to get back to what I was doing.
0:52:20- Now in the recents in my screenshot,
0:52:23it's logic, transmit the FTP app,
0:52:27and then Mars Edit, an app that I use
0:52:29to send blog posts to 512 pixels.
0:52:31- I'm surprised Mars Edit isn't in the doc as well actually.
0:52:34- It used to be, I don't know what happened.
0:52:36I don't know why it got out.
0:52:37- It's really weird to me that like professionally
0:52:39you consider yourself, because you are,
0:52:41I don't mean, consider yourself, professionally,
0:52:45you think of yourself as a podcaster and a blogger,
0:52:49but the two tools that you use to produce that work,
0:52:51you do not keep in the dark.
0:52:53And I find that fascinating. - All right, I put Mars Edit,
0:52:54I'm putting Mars Edit.
0:52:56- I think you should put Logic in it too.
0:52:59- I'm gonna put Mars Edit between,
0:53:02between Reader, no, between Good Links and Dev and Think.
0:53:07And I'm gonna put Logic.
0:53:10- Logic should be above forecast.
0:53:12- Logic's the first podcasting app, yeah.
0:53:14- Oh, wait, so--
0:53:15- And I'm gonna move Parcel, find my one password
0:53:19down towards the bottom.
0:53:20So one password is the bottom again.
0:53:22- So if you're looking at Steven's image,
0:53:24ignore that, it's all changed.
0:53:27- Yeah, well, it's roasted my dock.
0:53:28We're here to improve ourselves.
0:53:30- That's true.
0:53:31- I do use two stacks.
0:53:34I use Dropbox and I have my downloads folder,
0:53:37both in the grid, so I don't have like the weird fly out
0:53:42bendy arm thing.
0:53:43- That was fun when it was announced.
0:53:46- Yeah, and then it was super annoying.
0:53:48And I have a folder in each of them named asterisk.
0:53:52So it sorts at the top.
0:53:56And in Dropbox, it's a folder with a little Dropbox icon
0:54:00on it and it downloads.
0:54:02- Yeah, Steven does this.
0:54:03So I share a lot of folders with Steven
0:54:05and sometimes he just puts an asterisk next to a particular
0:54:08folder that he wants to talk because alphabetical order
0:54:11be damned.
0:54:12- And I have the same thing in downloads.
0:54:15And so what that does is it means the stack,
0:54:17it's like a little Dropbox folder and all the folders
0:54:19file in behind it.
0:54:20And in downloads, it's the download folder image
0:54:23with all of these little things poking out behind it.
0:54:25I like the look.
0:54:26And it means the stacks don't change.
0:54:28If I download something new,
0:54:29the icon doesn't change out of the corner of my eye.
0:54:32- Okay.
0:54:33- So that's my doc.
0:54:34And then of course I have the trashcan
0:54:35because that's there.
0:54:37- All right, I feel like we made some definite improvements.
0:54:39- I think so.
0:54:40It's hectic and I know a lot of people say
0:54:43you should hide it and I don't really use it as a launcher,
0:54:46but it's just kind of part of the Mac now for me,
0:54:48just over there on the side.
0:54:49I do use it to glance at notifications,
0:54:51so like I have six things doing todoists left today.
0:54:54- Yeah, okay. - So I do use those icons.
0:54:56- I do that too, yeah.
0:54:59I probably allow for about as many of those
0:55:01as I do on my iPhone, you know?
0:55:04- Yeah, not many.
0:55:05Not many, mostly messaging applications.
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0:56:38- So I have been historically bad at keeping my docs
0:56:47in sync between my desktop and laptop.
0:56:50- Same, it's so hard.
0:56:52- Yeah, and I know it's a terrible request, right?
0:56:55But I would love if there was a way
0:56:58to just keep this stuff in sync across devices.
0:57:01But I understand why also,
0:57:04like, it's not a priority at this feature,
0:57:11but I would love it.
0:57:13So today I actually sat down and mirrored the two docs.
0:57:17So like added and removed some stuff on each device
0:57:21and then just put them in the right order.
0:57:23Because it is a thing that annoys me
0:57:25where like I feel like I go to the doc
0:57:26and I don't know where anything is.
0:57:27So now I don't know where anything is on either of them,
0:57:30but eventually I'll learn this new layout
0:57:32because they both changed.
0:57:34But hey, here we are.
0:57:36- I need to do that because now I've made all these changes.
0:57:39- Do you wanna, would you like to look at my settings?
0:57:42- I would, let me open this here.
0:57:44- I don't feel like mine are that wild.
0:57:46- Use dark mode on the Mac, which I cannot abide.
0:57:49- I do use dark mode on the Mac, that's true.
0:57:52- Magnification was set to max, but then you unchecked it.
0:57:55Did you, you used to be a magnifier, didn't you?
0:57:58- No, I don't think so.
0:57:59Not, not, I mean, there's no way I would have been
0:58:02a magnifier on any of these devices
0:58:05that would be carrying these settings forward.
0:58:09Does that make sense?
0:58:10- Sure.
0:58:11- So I don't know why that's on max,
0:58:13but magnification's off.
0:58:14You know what, I might have just at some point--
0:58:15- You should just check that box
0:58:16and give us your reaction. - Just see what happens.
0:58:18- Yeah.
0:58:19- I feel like maybe at some point,
0:58:20I might have just wanted to see what it was like
0:58:23and then just left it at that.
0:58:24Oh my god, this is ridiculous.
0:58:27Yeah, I feel like I know what's happened here.
0:58:29One day I was like, what would this look like?
0:58:32And then hated it.
0:58:33- Yeah, I just made the size as small as it can be
0:58:35and turn magnification all the way up
0:58:37and it's a roller coaster.
0:58:39- I can imagine that yours again,
0:58:40with your Pro Display XDR is probably wild.
0:58:43I bet you can see the pores of your icons.
0:58:44- You don't have to say the name of the display.
0:58:45It's just a big display.
0:58:47- Pro Display XDR, withstand.
0:58:50- Come on.
0:58:52At least you don't have the nano texture, do you?
0:58:54- No.
0:58:55- No, so you know, you get one point, I suppose.
0:58:57- I guess so.
0:58:58You keep your dog visible all the time.
0:59:00- Yep.
0:59:01- I think we basically have the same settings.
0:59:03Oh, you double click, oh, what have you done?
0:59:06Double click a Windows title bar to zoom.
0:59:08- I don't ever do this, I don't even know what that does.
0:59:10What is this?
0:59:11- Double click the title bar.
0:59:12That barely exists anymore on Windows.
0:59:14- It doesn't do anything.
0:59:15I'm double clicking it and nothing's happening.
0:59:17- Oh, it's a, yeah, you just set that to minimize.
0:59:20I miss Windows shade.
0:59:21You didn't really ever use Mac OS 8 or 9 or whatever,
0:59:24but window shade was awesome.
0:59:26Oh, look at your dock.
0:59:27- All right, hold on, hold on.
0:59:29We're not done yet.
0:59:30I don't do the recent applications thing.
0:59:32- I'm gonna try to live without that.
0:59:35- I don't, that's not really my thing.
0:59:38And what was the last part that I was gonna mention?
0:59:42Oh, I'm a right dock person now.
0:59:44I've always been a left dock person,
0:59:46but then when I put my monitor on the left
0:59:48and my second monitor,
0:59:49then it put the dock all the way on the left
0:59:50and I didn't want that, so I changed to become a right dock person.
0:59:54That's a real limitation in how the dock works.
0:59:56I don't know why I can't say where I want it to be.
0:59:59Right.
1:00:00Yeah, if it's on the bottom, it'll show up on the bottom of any one.
1:00:04You can do it where it's like in the center, but what you have to do is like tell, okay,
1:00:08the display on the left is actually way higher, and so like the dock has like a hard thing
1:00:12to hit against.
1:00:13It's really bad.
1:00:14Like they should make it much more...
1:00:16They have a thing where you can say like this is the primary display and then but that doesn't
1:00:22actually change anything I don't think.
1:00:25I don't know what that does.
1:00:27It used to say that's where the menu bar was but that shows up every way now.
1:00:32Yeah it's the dock you should be able to pin to the left or right of any display attached.
1:00:38And I would just like to say because when I mentioned this last time I got some feedback
1:00:41I don't want to do any of the hacks.
1:00:44I live with it now.
1:00:45people tell me like oh you could do this and this and this and this and go into
1:00:48the terminal and do it I don't want to do any of that for this so I just live
1:00:51with the dock on the right now I'm used to it it's fine all right so my you want
1:00:57my list right yes hit me with your best shot finder oh what you don't have find
1:01:06it on the dock no I do it was more like a finder I feel like finder and then I
1:01:11- Can I have App Store?
1:01:12- Why?
1:01:13- All right, so, I knew you were gonna,
1:01:17I knew you were gonna do this.
1:01:19- You're not John Voorhees,
1:01:20who has like the App Store on like his dock of his phone.
1:01:23Like what are you doing?
1:01:23- As soon as I took the screenshot today,
1:01:28I was like, "God damn it, I know it."
1:01:30This is one of the standard settings
1:01:34and I think I kind of just left it.
1:01:37Like it was just there and I was like,
1:01:40"Yeah, it's fine, whatever.
1:01:41Sometimes I need the App Store and I just leave it there."
1:01:43I appreciate that it is a weird decision.
1:01:48And I may, and I actually reserved the right--
1:01:50- It's a few programs today.
1:01:52- I reserved the right to get rid of it,
1:01:54but I didn't want to get rid of it
1:01:56just because I knew you would make fun of me for it.
1:01:58But it is like, it's a weird one, I think, to have the...
1:02:02I do like to know when I have updates for apps.
1:02:07- That is nice. - 'Cause I don't like
1:02:08to do things automatically.
1:02:10I don't like automatic app updates.
1:02:12I hate the thought of opening an app and it's changed,
1:02:15and I didn't know.
1:02:16Like, even on iOS, like, I don't have automatic app updates,
1:02:19and I always, like-- well, most of the time,
1:02:21I skim the update list, because I kind of just want to know.
1:02:25There are some apps that I like to kind of keep track of,
1:02:27like--
1:02:28like, Kraft, for example.
1:02:30Like, I always want to know what they're up to,
1:02:31and I want to know when there's an update,
1:02:32and I want to read the release notes before I do the update.
1:02:36- I have automatic app updates turned on on my phone,
1:02:38but they never work,
1:02:39so I still have to do them manually all the time.
1:02:41- Yeah, I have it turned on on my iPad,
1:02:43like not on my phone,
1:02:44and it just doesn't work.
1:02:46It's just sometimes I put my ad in this 71 app updates.
1:02:49It's like, all right, so you didn't do anything, did you?
1:02:51- That information is also present under the Apple menu.
1:02:55If you go to App Store, it'll say three updates
1:02:57in a little bubble. - Yeah, but I don't spend
1:02:59a lot of time in the Apple menu.
1:03:01Although, however-- - Because system preferences
1:03:03is also in your talk.
1:03:04- Right now, shush,
1:03:06Right now, I have in the Apple menu six app updates,
1:03:11and the App Store icon has nothing on it, so.
1:03:14- What does the App Store say if you go to the Update tab?
1:03:17- Six.
1:03:18(laughing)
1:03:21But it's not badging.
1:03:22Did I turn that off?
1:03:24- Maybe you had the badge off,
1:03:25which is the whole reason you said
1:03:26you had it in the dock in the first place.
1:03:27- On my MacBook Pro, I know the badge is on.
1:03:30I don't know why I've done that, who knows.
1:03:32System preferences.
1:03:33- Yeah.
1:03:35- To be honest, this is one that I know I click
1:03:37quite a lot rather than--
1:03:38- I mean, look, I can't really judge
1:03:40'cause I used to have settings on my home screen
1:03:41on my phone and it's still on the second home screen,
1:03:45I think.
1:03:46- Yeah, I have it on the second,
1:03:47I don't have a second home screen anymore, so.
1:03:49I do what needs to be there.
1:03:51Safari.
1:03:52- Yes.
1:03:53- Music.
1:03:54- Good.
1:03:55- Messages.
1:03:56- Yeah, text me back.
1:03:57700 messages there.
1:04:00- Yeah, at that point, I think I did have
1:04:01a number of messages from you.
1:04:03Slack, Discord, because they go together.
1:04:06- Yes.
1:04:08- Notes, Craft.
1:04:09- So what goes where?
1:04:11Why do you have Notes and Craft?
1:04:12I mean, I have Notes
1:04:13'cause I have one shared folder with Mary.
1:04:15- Yeah.
1:04:16At the moment, all of my notes go in Notes
1:04:18and I use Craft for everything to do with Cortex brand.
1:04:23- Okay.
1:04:24- So all Notes and all like projects
1:04:26and everything goes in there.
1:04:28And I think at some point I would move everything to Craft
1:04:32because what I like about craft is I can have multiple
1:04:34like accounts, but I just haven't done that.
1:04:38'Cause I don't, you know, I--
1:04:41- It's very manual.
1:04:43You're just like copying and pasting stuff over to craft.
1:04:45- Yeah, and also like I still do, I think,
1:04:48prefer how the share extension for notes works.
1:04:51- Interesting. - The share extension
1:04:53for craft.
1:04:54Yeah, maybe, maybe one day.
1:04:57I love craft for what I use it for,
1:05:00but I use it for something that's like,
1:05:01It's like a little bit more complex
1:05:03than what I use notes for.
1:05:05- Sure, it's fantastic. - I do think I need
1:05:07to clear out some of my old notes.
1:05:08I don't delete them ever, so I just have
1:05:12just a big history of stuff going on.
1:05:14- When I migrated into crafts, I probably ended up
1:05:17with like probably 50 fewer notes.
1:05:20Like there was like all sorts of stuff in there.
1:05:21I don't need this from this thing,
1:05:24this live event note from three years ago, right?
1:05:26Like, I just don't need it anymore.
1:05:29Yeah, like I was, I don't remember what it was that, why I saw this today.
1:05:34I think I was just like, because I noticed this and started scrolling through and like,
1:05:37I had a note for it like, "Plan for Cortex in 2017."
1:05:42It's like, I don't need that anymore.
1:05:47That time has come and gone, right?
1:05:49Like it was just like, I don't know.
1:05:50It was just like coming up with things that we've ended up doing, but it was like, I don't
1:05:55know why I still have that.
1:05:56I don't think I need that anymore, so.
1:05:58And then after craft is Reader.
1:06:02- What RSS service are you using?
1:06:05- What is the one that you use?
1:06:06- Feedbin.
1:06:07- I use that one.
1:06:08I was using InnoReader for a while.
1:06:12I don't remember why, but I was like, I don't need this.
1:06:15- Sure.
1:06:15- And then I just changed to Feedbin.
1:06:17I think like I was using InnoReader
1:06:19and then I stopped using RSS for a while.
1:06:21And then when I decided to come back, I like opened it up.
1:06:24So there's so much stuff in here.
1:06:25I'm just gonna start off with a brand new service.
1:06:27And it just went in.
1:06:28I think it was one of those things where like,
1:06:29I just opened our text group chat and was like,
1:06:32"What is everyone using?"
1:06:33And everyone told me Feedbin and I was like,
1:06:34"Great, I'm gonna get Feedbin."
1:06:36And then I just got Feedbin.
1:06:38- Maybe like a month ago, went through and I read,
1:06:41adjusted, I don't know what the word is.
1:06:45I changed all my newsletters to go into Feedbin
1:06:48instead of my actual email account.
1:06:50- Interesting.
1:06:51- You get like a secret email address with Feedbin.
1:06:53And so you go tell Ben Thompson,
1:06:55"Hey, send me all my emails here."
1:06:58And then I made just a newsletters folder.
1:07:00- You tell him personally, "Hey Ben, hey Ben."
1:07:03- I texted him, I said, "Can you just change this
1:07:05to my account please?"
1:07:06And he said, "Who is this?"
1:07:07And I said, "It's Steven."
1:07:08He says, "Steven who?"
1:07:09- It's Steven and he's like, "Which Steven?"
1:07:11And then, you know, 20 minutes later,
1:07:13he just told me to go log into the admin panel.
1:07:15- And so you even get notices there.
1:07:18I think you have to look out for it.
1:07:18You get your notices there about like
1:07:20if your credit card expired or something.
1:07:21- Interesting, I've been thinking about doing this.
1:07:23I have a newsletters folder.
1:07:25I just check that, like I check regular RSS
1:07:28and I've really come to like that
1:07:29because the problem with newsletters in my inbox
1:07:31is I wouldn't get to them and then they're like,
1:07:33"Oh, they're old."
1:07:33But like, if I'm reading RSS,
1:07:35I'm already kind of in that mode
1:07:37and I've really come to enjoy it
1:07:39over the last however long it's been.
1:07:41- So tell me how this works then.
1:07:43Like, how does this happen?
1:07:45Do they give me like, do Phoebe can give me an email address?
1:07:48- Yes, they give you an email address
1:07:50and then you go around to all of your newsletters
1:07:54and you change your email address with them from, you know,
1:07:57Myke at whatever to secret feed bin email address.
1:08:01- Okay.
1:08:02- And then they just show up in feed bin.
1:08:03- Well, answer this then smart guy.
1:08:05- Okay.
1:08:06- I don't know why I've decided to address this
1:08:07in such attitude, but this is the space
1:08:10I've decided to occupy.
1:08:11- So spicy.
1:08:12- Tell me this brain box.
1:08:15Like, what do you do if you like,
1:08:18What do you do if you like, if like something happens
1:08:20and you lose a password?
1:08:22How would you reset the password?
1:08:24- It would show up as an unread article in Feedbin
1:08:27with all the links and stuff in it.
1:08:29- Interesting.
1:08:30- It just turns the body of the message into an article.
1:08:32- That's interesting.
1:08:34- Yeah.
1:08:35- Well, smart guy, you told me, didn't you?
1:08:36- Yeah, Feedbin, I told you.
1:08:38What'd you call me, Brain Box?
1:08:40- I think so, that was one of the things,
1:08:42smart guy and Brain Box.
1:08:44You never heard that one before, Brain Box?
1:08:46- No.
1:08:46can work out what it means though right it's like smarty pants or something yeah
1:08:50you know well thanks brain box yeah I might do that I might do that I don't
1:08:56subscribe to a lot of newsletters that I read in email so like six colors I
1:09:05really love when Jason put the RSS thing in so I read way more of the six colors
1:09:11members articles now that they show up in my RSS feed so you read what I write
1:09:16for Jason now. Yeah, I read, I just, I'm not very good at reading email newsletters.
1:09:22And I have Club Max Stories, I have Platformer, which is Casey Newton's thing,
1:09:29and I have Hot Pod. Yeah, mine are very similar to that. They're the ones that I
1:09:32mostly read, and then one of the things that I love about Ben Thompson is he
1:09:36records podcasts and that's how I've reached to Techery. This is vastly
1:09:40superior. I wished that, I wish Casey Newton would do it, honestly, like I
1:09:44I really do. I love his writing.
1:09:46And he writes about stuff which I otherwise don't really get a lot of content about,
1:09:53you know, just like the platform changes and stuff.
1:09:56And it's a great newsletter.
1:09:57It's one that I actually do read all the time,
1:09:58but I wish there was a podcast version because I just like that.
1:10:01But hey, I might send them to a reader.
1:10:05I think I'd have a better hit rate of reading the articles.
1:10:09Because again, I know that that's changed for me.
1:10:11Oh, and Brad's refill.
1:10:14Brad Dowdy has a very good pen related newsletter called Refit which I do always read too.
1:10:20But I think I would prefer them if they were in Reader.
1:10:22I'm not filling up my email inbox.
1:10:24That's a good idea.
1:10:26Where was I?
1:10:27Todoist?
1:10:28I'm not talking about it today but yes I'm using Todoist.
1:10:31I'm not talking about it.
1:10:32I won't answer questions about it.
1:10:34At this time please direct all questions to my publicist.
1:10:39I'm not using OmniFocus.
1:10:40I haven't been using OmniFocus for like best part of six months.
1:10:44I'm using Todoist.
1:10:45I'll talk about it another time.
1:10:46Okay.
1:10:47Then Spark, MimeStream, MimeStream.
1:10:52Yes.
1:10:53I really love it.
1:10:55It's an absolutely superb email application.
1:10:58I wished that they would make it so I could have all of my email in it and then I would
1:11:03maybe use that more, but I'd love it.
1:11:06It's what I was looking for, right?
1:11:07Like I needed a Gmail focused email app that I could keep on its own and have all the features
1:11:13that I want and tick, tick, tick, tick, tick.
1:11:16I look forward to there being an iOS version because then I wouldn't have to use the Gmail
1:11:20app on iOS.
1:11:22I just opened it and he has added print and print to PDF support so I can switch that
1:11:26now.
1:11:27That's very good news for me.
1:11:28I love how many updates there are and the app is just super good.
1:11:32It's excellent.
1:11:33It's very good.
1:11:34Still not hot on the name?
1:11:36No.
1:11:37- No. - It's not hot in the name.
1:11:39But application quality, very high.
1:11:41- So you have Relay email and Spark,
1:11:43and you've spoken a lot about that,
1:11:44so you and Kerry can talk about sponsors too.
1:11:46- Relay email and personal email and Spark.
1:11:49- Interesting, why personal email in there?
1:11:52- Where else would I put it?
1:11:54- Oh, 'cause you use iCloud for your personal email, not--
1:11:57- Yeah, because iCloud for my personal email.
1:11:58I also have another Gmail account for a business thing.
1:12:02But again, so here's the thing.
1:12:04It's all of my email is in Spark,
1:12:07except for Cortex stuff that's in MimeStream.
1:12:10And this is similar to Notes and Craft, right?
1:12:14So like Notes has all of my notes for everything,
1:12:17like all personal stuff or relay stuff,
1:12:20all personal projects, it's all in Notes,
1:12:22and I just keep the Cortex stuff separate.
1:12:24And this is just because like it was like a different thing
1:12:27to all of the other stuff that I do in so many ways.
1:12:30Like if I would have, I mean, if I would have been smarter,
1:12:33I would have started to sequester things earlier.
1:12:35Like this is like the craft thing and the mainstream thing.
1:12:39They offer me like tests of breaking out the various parts
1:12:44of my personal and professional life
1:12:46and keeping them in separate places.
1:12:48And I'm starting to think it's actually
1:12:49like a pretty good idea for me to have them all broken up.
1:12:53If you remember, when I was talking about email
1:12:55a few weeks ago, I was floating the idea
1:12:56of having three email apps in use.
1:12:58I'm still thinking about what that would look like.
1:13:00Yeah, so that, I like that.
1:13:02but maybe I'll do more of that in the future.
1:13:05So yeah, all of my email is in Spark,
1:13:07except Cortex email, which is in my Mime stream.
1:13:11- Mime stream, yep, I just replaced mail on my doc with it.
1:13:14I'll be using it.
1:13:15Okay, so--
1:13:18- Timery.
1:13:19- Timery, 'cause you track your time.
1:13:21Big time tracking boy.
1:13:23- Yep, I've been podcast recording connected
1:13:26for one hour, 38 minutes and 33 seconds,
1:13:2934, 35 because of the menu bar thing which is great. I love diving in the menu bar now too. It's great.
1:13:34And then we go into media apps is what I would call this next section.
1:13:39Yeah, so we were kind of in communication then we were in like
1:13:42information, right, collecting and productivity and email.
1:13:47Now we're into zoom.
1:13:50Zoom and then logic pro.
1:13:53Mm-hmm, then Adobe Audition. Okay.
1:13:58QuickTime
1:13:59Why QuickTime? I knew you were gonna say that I gave you a pause because I knew you were gonna say why QuickTime
1:14:04Also, can we talk about how bad that icon is the QuickTime icon? Yeah, it's one of the worst ones
1:14:10It's so bad
1:14:11But I think that that is because it shows how much Apple care about QuickTime
1:14:15Which is not do you know they used to have a conference called a QuickTime live? Yes
1:14:19We've spoken about this at some point. I think you have a sweatshirt. I've tried writing about it. Yes. I have a sweatshirt
1:14:25I've tried writing about it and it's hard to nail down exactly what happened there,
1:14:30but they used to have a comment that's called QuickTime Live.
1:14:32Zach is asking in the Discord if we're officially done with Skype for all recording.
1:14:36I have, I think, two of my shows that I still do in Skype, but they are going to move to Zoom.
1:14:42I haven't opened Skype in months.
1:14:46I haven't opened, so thoroughly considered in remaster.
1:14:49I just haven't swapped those over, but we will do that.
1:14:53Actually no remaster we are doing on zoom now so it's just thoroughly considered as the only show
1:14:57that I do on skype. Come on studio neat boys. This is purely a me thing like I just haven't
1:15:04haven't moved them. Yeah so with quick time when I upload a show to our audio host we get a url
1:15:14and I just open up quick time and throw the url in and just make sure that it uploaded okay.
1:15:20I just, that's where I do my final check of the audio.
1:15:23Interesting. I do that in Safari.
1:15:25I used to do it in Safari, but QuickTime is vastly better.
1:15:29Okay.
1:15:30For being able to scrub and stuff. I like it for that.
1:15:34And so I just like open QuickTime, command L.
1:15:38It's like open location. You just drop link in.
1:15:40Audio Hijack.
1:15:42Yes. Very.
1:15:43Piezo.
1:15:43Wait, why Piezo then? Because it does everything Audio Hijack can do.
1:15:48Yep, but what did I use to have with CoreRecorder?
1:15:52Backup.
1:15:53Yeah.
1:15:54But you have Zoom.
1:15:55But I don't use Zoom for everything.
1:15:57Right, so you have Piezo in there because you're still using Skype.
1:16:01Yes.
1:16:01So that would go away when Skype goes away.
1:16:04Right, so it's like I always want to have two audio recordings.
1:16:09And also as well, for stuff which is higher risk, even if I'm using Zoom,
1:16:17I will also use piezo as well as audio hijack. So I mean like if I was doing something where
1:16:24if something terrible happened it's going to be a problem for me or it's going to be difficult to
1:16:31reschedule or whatever if something got messed up I might want to just get a second recording
1:16:36because the zoom audio quality is not good enough really. It's fine in a pinch but I would prefer
1:16:44You know not use it. So I will use piezo as well then forecast well fishing first
1:16:50No, I skipped one fishing. Yes
1:16:52Fishing is also made by rogue amoeba these three apps audio hijack piezo and fishing or rogue amoeba apps
1:16:58fishing what I like about it is a
1:17:02It is a I can't think of the right word. Let me go to their website because obviously it's a very simple audio editor
1:17:10Yeah, lossless mp3 editing. Yes. So what I like about it is if I had to say like
1:17:16cut something out of an edited file or whatever, I could do that very easily and
1:17:21just save it. It doesn't need re-exporting or anything. I also do this for like if I
1:17:27need just a chapter of a show you could just go in you can open a chapter at
1:17:32mp3 efficient and just delete all the other chapters and you're just left with
1:17:35it's very easy to do all of that. It's good for me because I can just
1:17:41like handle and edit MP3 with Fission and it does a really good job of it.
1:17:46I use it on occasion for similar things but not super often.
1:17:51Forecast, this is for encoding into chaptered MP3s. Overcast, because M1
1:18:01life baby yeah can't run that on my desktop nope you cannot your old old old
1:18:06Mac Pro so I can check like so this is a thing where like before publishing a
1:18:13show I upload it to overcast back end and just like check that it's all good
1:18:18check that the I think maybe you or most people would be thoroughly surprised of
1:18:23how many checks I do of shows I basis make sure the mp3 loads yeah I do a lot
1:18:30of checks like when I'm in logic I check that it's lined up with the audio
1:18:35hijack track of all of the calls bounced down I know you don't do that which is
1:18:41which I hate I hate so much then I check you know before I put it into forecast
1:18:47I do a quick check of a few points in the file to make sure I explore it okay
1:18:51then I'm that's done I do I do that I'll skim it like I skim it in quick look and
1:18:56And then when I upload it to Libsyn,
1:18:58I do that same thing again
1:19:00to make sure that the MP3 encoded okay.
1:19:03And then once I've uploaded to Libsyn,
1:19:04which is our audio host,
1:19:06I will put it in QuickTime and check that.
1:19:08Then I put that same URL into the Overcast backend thing
1:19:13for the uploads.
1:19:14This is something that any paying subscriber gets.
1:19:17And then it just drops it in Overcast
1:19:19and then I can check that all the chapters are in properly
1:19:21and stuff like that.
1:19:22- Makes sense.
1:19:24This is why, again, I hate saying this,
1:19:26but I can't remember the last time
1:19:28I had an error in my audio.
1:19:30And like all of these checks have just grown over time
1:19:33to a-- - You know what you've done.
1:19:35Like what are you doing?
1:19:36- I said this on an episode of Cortex recently
1:19:39and got away with it, so.
1:19:41I've said it loads of times.
1:19:41Here's the thing, I'm not editing this episode,
1:19:43so I haven't jinxed myself for this episode.
1:19:46- Hmm.
1:19:47- I'm a careful editor.
1:19:48- I mean, so am I.
1:19:50I have had mistakes though.
1:19:52Everyone makes mistakes sometimes.
1:19:54- Mm-hmm.
1:19:55- Everybody poops.
1:19:56What's next?
1:19:57- I don't know why you gotta do that.
1:19:58- It's a book.
1:19:59Have you ever read that book?
1:20:00- No, and I don't want to.
1:20:01I don't have children, so why would I?
1:20:03Why would I read that? - Well, if you ever do,
1:20:05you will learn that everybody poops.
1:20:06- No, I already know this.
1:20:08This book isn't gonna teach me that.
1:20:09I know that already. - Everyone poops, excuse me.
1:20:11- Please stop.
1:20:12This is not the kind of thing I wanna talk about.
1:20:14Thank you.
1:20:15Photos!
1:20:16- No, you skipped one.
1:20:17The Blender Boy.
1:20:18- Oh, Fusion Cast.
1:20:19- Yes, this is an app I think I told you about.
1:20:21- Yeah, I think you did.
1:20:23You can throw in an audio file, so like a podcast,
1:20:28and a thumbnail, and it will spit out a YouTube video.
1:20:32- As opposed to having to use Final Cut
1:20:34or something way heavier than what you actually need.
1:20:37- Yep.
1:20:38- Yep, it's very good.
1:20:40It's by our friend--
1:20:41- Gee Rainbow.
1:20:42- Gee Rainbow, yep.
1:20:43- Photos.
1:20:45- Photos, good choice.
1:20:46- Pixelmator Pro.
1:20:47- Okay.
1:20:49- I've recently moved from,
1:20:50I was like a real, like did not want to let go of pixelmator person.
1:20:54Like the normal, like non pro pixelmator.
1:20:58Because when pixelmator pro originally launched, if I'm remembering it rightly,
1:21:02it didn't have all of the features of pixelmator. Yes.
1:21:06But I feel like the writing was on the wall for pixelmator classic.
1:21:10And so I thought to myself, I'm just going to give it a go.
1:21:14I don't know how they do this, but they have a trial,
1:21:16even though they're a Mac app store version,
1:21:18you can get a trial from their website.
1:21:20- Hmm.
1:21:21- That just expires.
1:21:23But if you wanna buy the app,
1:21:24you have to go to the app store to buy it.
1:21:28- Okay.
1:21:29Yeah, I've got it.
1:21:30I use it really only for making small images bigger
1:21:33with the machine learning stuff.
1:21:35- I don't really understand how to use Photoshop.
1:21:38Photoshop's too complicated for me for most things.
1:21:41- Yeah, it's next in your dock.
1:21:42- Wait, I'm not, but there's a reason.
1:21:44Just chill, all right?
1:21:46A lot of stuff I'm not very good at in Photoshop, but I understand how to do them in Pixelmator.
1:21:54And asterisk, I'm getting better at trying to teach myself some of these things in Photoshop
1:21:57as well, but for a lot of stuff I really do like using Pixelmator instead.
1:22:03For me, if I'm creating something from scratch, like if I'm going to make chapter artwork
1:22:10or promo artwork for merchandise or whatever, I'll go to Pixelmator.
1:22:15where I will go. And then I have Photoshop for when, like, if there's something that
1:22:21only opens that way or will perform better in Photoshop, I'll use it there. And I'm trying
1:22:26to learn Photoshop, but like some of the tools, I just understand how to use them just vastly
1:22:31better with Pixelmator. So I have both of them and I use them interchangeably a little
1:22:37bit, but I do use them sometimes for kind of specific things. So yeah, Photoshop was
1:22:42next in the doc. Then numbers. Because you're a businessman. So I have a couple
1:22:50of numbers number what are they called in numbers? Sheets? Sheets. That I had
1:22:57open enough like maybe you know like I might have them open for a couple of
1:23:02days or whatever as I'm just dealing with some stuff that I found numbers to
1:23:07be at the end of my doc all the time so I just added it it's like okay you have
1:23:12been promoted now numbers yes to being you have come out of the recent apps
1:23:16which you don't use at all anymore exactly I never used it okay and this
1:23:22was the same for the final one which is parcel we've all moved to parcel I think
1:23:26from deliveries and this was not at all related to deliveries becoming a
1:23:31subscription app I happily paid the subscription I just for the when we
1:23:36spoke about it some time ago, Parcel has a set of functions that I think are just better
1:23:45than Deliverys. Part of them is that Parcel recognizes more of the carrier services that
1:23:52I use than Deliverys does and I think at that point, I think it's pretty obvious why I use
1:23:58it right it's like yeah I it just doesn't have everything that I need so
1:24:04but the parcel does I like the Amazon integration so you don't have to like
1:24:10put a weird Amazon tracking number in and copy and paste or whatever you
1:24:13decide I know that's like a thing that people really love for it and I think
1:24:16it's that's fine okay does that's not really something that I need Amazon does
1:24:20a pretty good job for me of telling me where things are you know what I mean it
1:24:24really is for me like there are just some services that I use here in the UK
1:24:27I get stuff coming from Europe and deliveries can't can't do anything with them
1:24:31It's like login here to view the update like I have to tap it is basically just a link
1:24:37but parcel does it it's like Royal Mail and DPD their two services I use here in the UK a lot and and
1:24:44Deliveries can't do anything with them
1:24:46But parcel can the only thing I wish parcel would do and I think I'm gonna submit this as a request is
1:24:51Just let me put a URL in that I can just open whenever I want
1:24:55I said this post like freight deliveries and stuff of wherever what stuff like that
1:24:59I sent a request in today because in the little panel where you put in the name
1:25:04of what you're tracking it doesn't use quick type or autocorrect and so mine are
1:25:09all horrendously misspelled and it capitalizes every word yeah so I sent
1:25:14them an email this morning actually said hey please consider this for update and
1:25:19then I have a folder which is downloads did you know it's called bin yes they
1:25:24changed it in Big Sur I think? At some point. I don't remember where it was. At some point recently they changed it to
1:25:33Ben for some some language sets and what is minimum you have like a oh that's
1:25:39your downloads folder oh right see that was like a minimized document because
1:25:42you don't have a folder representing your stack do you mean to make you a
1:25:47little Dropbox folder you could put there? No I don't want that I don't want it I like
1:25:51the preview I like the preview I'm gonna copy it into the connected God box
1:25:57folder there you go that's our docks I feel like we have a pretty good handle
1:26:05on things I feel like I was able to roast yours morning you roasted mine I
1:26:09mean all of my roasting was at the beginning right and then and then we
1:26:13moved through yes the app store is very a very weighty subject yes but I feel
1:26:19like we needed to bring some order to your doc,
1:26:22which we did.
1:26:23- Do we wanna wrap up?
1:26:24I think that's it.
1:26:25- I think that is it.
1:26:26- I think that's it.
1:26:27If you want to find links to the stories we spoke about
1:26:30or just a whole bunch of Mac apps we mentioned,
1:26:33head on over to relay.fm/connected/358.
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1:26:40especially if you're in Luxembourg, let us know.
1:26:43If you have a hot take on doc placement,
1:26:46send it to Casey Liss.
1:26:48- Yeah, yeah, don't tweet.
1:26:49Definitely email it to him.
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1:26:58It's a lot of fun.
1:26:59This week we spoke about warehouses and gutters.
1:27:02(laughing)
1:27:03- Yeah.
1:27:04- And all sorts of stuff.
1:27:05It was good.
1:27:07And we're gonna put titles.
1:27:08That's usually in there too.
1:27:09Always fun to debate those.
1:27:11While you're on the Relay website,
1:27:12go check out our friends over at Clockwise.
1:27:15They're also a Wednesday show.
1:27:16In fact, they're live on the live stream right before us.
1:27:19It is four tech topics, four fun hosts,
1:27:23and they're in and out in just 30 minutes.
1:27:26It's hosted by our friends, Dan and Micah.
1:27:28They always have two awesome guests,
1:27:30and it's a great way to get some tech news in,
1:27:34really fun stories.
1:27:35I love the format, relay.fm/clockwise,
1:27:39or search for clockwise wherever you get your podcasts.
1:27:42Keep watching the clock.
1:27:44- Where do you get your podcasts?
1:27:46- I get mine from cassette tape.
1:27:49- Oh, I like the warm sound.
1:27:51You can find us online, Federico,
1:27:55remember send him on Twitter a fish
1:27:57that's not a weird fish, a normal fish emoji.
1:28:00You can do that @vittici, V-I-T-I-C-C-I,
1:28:03and he is the editor-in-chief of maxstories.net.
1:28:08They have some big stuff coming,
1:28:09just keep an eye out for that.
1:28:11You can find Myke online as I-M-Y-K-E.
1:28:14Myke hosts a bunch of other things here on Relay
1:28:17and other parts of the internet.
1:28:18Myke, what's something cool you're doing this week?
1:28:21(laughing)
1:28:22- I don't know what to say
1:28:23when you ask me this question sometimes.
1:28:25I think people, we already spoke about it,
1:28:27but people should check out Monday's episode of Upgrade.
1:28:30- You can find me on Twitter as ismh
1:28:33and I also host a bunch of other shows here on Relay FM.
1:28:36We just published episode 600 of Mac Power Users.
1:28:39Now that I can take credit for most of those,
1:28:40but still a fun--
1:28:41- Now you're on all of them.
1:28:43- All right, you're on a little bit?
1:28:44- Just in the last two years, or three years.
1:28:47How long have I been on an MPU?
1:28:50- Two years and six days.
1:28:51- That doesn't seem right.
1:28:52- Can you imagine if I was right though?
1:28:55- That would be an amazing skill.
1:28:57- Wouldn't that be great?
1:28:58It's like the kind of people where like, you know,
1:29:00you can like drop like a bunch, like a ball,
1:29:05like a bunch of balls on the ground, slap him in the face,
1:29:07thinking to him, I know there are immediately.
1:29:09You ever seen this kind of trick?
1:29:11- That's a very specific situation
1:29:12don't think I've ever been in. Well next time we're together I'll try it and see if we can do it.
1:29:18No! I won't tell you what's going to happen either.
1:29:20Hit you in the face. Bunch of bouncy balls smack in the face how many are there?
1:29:25Did you work it out yet? No. I wasn't. I was vamping to give you time. Oh I can do it.
1:29:31I can go to relay.fm/people. That's why I was talking about all that
1:29:34nonsense was to give you time. I'm a professional. So Zach has already told us
1:29:38It was January 6th, 2019.
1:29:40So it's been two and a half years.
1:29:44- I have been on 138 episodes of Mac Power Users.
1:29:49- You got a long way to go before you can be on more.
1:29:53- 358 Connecteds, 21 flashbacks.
1:29:57- You haven't been on 358 episodes of Connected.
1:29:59- But I'm credited.
1:30:01- Well, you should fix that.
1:30:02- I'd like to thank our sponsors this week,
1:30:04Pingdom, Indeed, and Mac Weldon.
1:30:06Until next time, Myke, say goodbye.
1:30:08See ya.
1:30:09Bye y'all.