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00:00:08 ◼   ► Hello and welcome to Connected, episode 331.

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00:00:18 ◼   ► My name is Steven Hackett and I'm joined by Mr. Myke Hurley.

00:00:21 ◼   ► >> Hello, how are you, Steven?

00:00:23 ◼   ► >> I'm good, Myke.

00:00:25 ◼   ► Happy late birthday.

00:00:26 ◼   ► >> Thank you very much.

00:00:28 ◼   ► We're almost twins.

00:00:29 ◼   ► You're two years older than me.

00:00:32 ◼   ► Yes.

00:00:33 ◼   ► And what is it, three or four days apart?

00:00:36 ◼   ► Mm-hmm.

00:00:38 ◼   ► It was a long labor.

00:00:39 ◼   ► Also joined by Mr. Federico Vatici.

00:00:43 ◼   ► Hello. Hi.

00:00:45 ◼   ► How are you?

00:00:46 ◼   ► Hey, buddy.

00:00:47 ◼   ► Hi.

00:00:49 ◼   ► That was weird.

00:00:50 ◼   ► It's not your birthday.

00:00:51 ◼   ► I don't know why he's going with this.

00:00:53 ◼   ► Why did you do that?

00:00:54 ◼   ► That was such a strange way to say hello.

00:00:57 ◼   ► Tell me? I don't know.

00:00:58 ◼   ► Hey buddy! Hey take a seat we need to talk to you about something. Okay what have I done?

00:01:04 ◼   ► Well what's wrong? It's come to our attention. Okay okay cool. I'm in a weird mood. Let's do

00:01:11 ◼   ► follow-up. Let's do some follow-up. Follow-up. We keep getting lots of feedback about mike's

00:01:17 ◼   ► airpods max battery gate. Is there any indication that this could be fixed in 14.5? Is there anything

00:01:25 ◼   ► I haven't really looked at the notes that closely. I'm running it on my phone for

00:01:28 ◼   ► I looked at the release notes for it and there's nothing about AirPods Max in the

00:01:33 ◼   ► release notes. I don't think this problem is an iOS problem though. I think it's an

00:01:40 ◼   ► AirPods problem so I am expecting that if there's going to be a fix to this

00:01:45 ◼   ► battery issue it's gonna have to be an AirPods firmware update rather than an iOS update because

00:01:52 ◼   ► again like today I wasn't necessarily noticing a battery issue but in my audio

00:01:59 ◼   ► sources on my Mac my AirPods Max were showing up even though they were in the

00:02:04 ◼   ► case on my desk and I feel like that shouldn't be possible right I shouldn't

00:02:10 ◼   ► be able to connect to them when I'm not wearing them yeah cuz I could I tried it

00:02:15 ◼   ► I could connect and start playing audio on them and they were on my desk in the

00:02:18 ◼   ► case and I kind of feel like it's not the intended use case. I had that come up

00:02:24 ◼   ► with my AirPods 2. I connected them as I was like opening the case I connected

00:02:31 ◼   ► them manually and all of a sudden tiny little podcast voices were coming out of

00:02:35 ◼   ► my AirPods while they were still in the charging case. It's like, "What are you doing?"

00:02:40 ◼   ► Yeah, you and Grey sounded very tiny. I like these podcasts, pocket podcasts.

00:02:47 ◼   ► We've talked about a exercise or tracking device that isn't a full-blown

00:02:53 ◼   ► Apple Watch movie from Apple. A listener Mykey wrote in to say have you tried the

00:02:57 ◼   ► is it "Why things?" "Withings?" "Wothings?" I don't remember. There is a way to say it

00:03:04 ◼   ► and it's never the one I think it is. Well there's just so many options we can

00:03:09 ◼   ► try Whythings, Withings. Withings. Withings. Withings. Withings. Withings. Withings. This

00:03:18 ◼   ► is the company that was its own. Then got bought by Nokia and then Nokia did nothing

00:03:27 ◼   ► with it really except rebrand everything and I think create a blood pressure sensor and

00:03:35 ◼   ► then the original owner of Wey-things bought it back for less than he sold it for.

00:03:41 ◼   ► Wait, that's not how you do business?

00:03:44 ◼   ► It's kind of funny really because isn't that also kind of what happened to Nokia with Microsoft?

00:03:49 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:03:50 ◼   ► So, yeah.

00:03:51 ◼   ► So, Nokia had it happen to them and then for them, I guess.

00:03:57 ◼   ► But yeah, so Wey-things sell lots of products and one of the things that they do is an analog

00:04:03 ◼   ► watch with some sensor stuff built into it.

00:04:07 ◼   ► Oh yeah, I remember that.

00:04:08 ◼   ► And they look nice, but for me, it's still not...

00:04:14 ◼   ► So I have two issues with it.

00:04:16 ◼   ► One, they look nice, but it's not necessarily what I want visually out of a watch.

00:04:20 ◼   ► And two, I'm still back in the same issue because my thing is not that I want to wear

00:04:26 ◼   ► one watch instead of an Apple Watch.

00:04:28 ◼   ► I want to wear a small selection of watches.

00:04:31 ◼   ► like I might want to wear one this day, one that day, that kind of thing. Steven just bought me an

00:04:36 ◼   ► incredible G-Shock for my birthday which I have on now but next week I might want to wear a different

00:04:41 ◼   ► one. So having a watch with this stuff built in is always the problem. It's I want it on everything

00:04:47 ◼   ► or nothing and so these are cool and if you are a type of person that just wants one watch but

00:04:54 ◼   ► doesn't want an Apple watch but still wants some health tracking stuff these Y-things watches might

00:04:59 ◼   ► might be good for you. They even have an ECG one now, which I didn't know that they did,

00:05:03 ◼   ► which is kind of incredible really that they have that in a watch like this. And of course

00:05:08 ◼   ► because it doesn't have a screen and all that kind of stuff, the battery life is bananas

00:05:13 ◼   ► like on these things compared to other products. So maybe it's for you, but I think I'll take

00:05:18 ◼   ► a look. Yeah, I had one for quite a while and we're actually going to talk more about

00:05:24 ◼   ► this in a little while. So we're going to come back to this. Yeah, I'm going to circle

00:05:28 ◼   ► back as they say mm-hmm Zach wrote in with another hardware feature that was

00:05:33 ◼   ► short-lived on an Apple product and I can't believe I didn't think about this

00:05:37 ◼   ► the original iMac g3 had an IR port so you could be some information to and

00:05:44 ◼   ► from your iMac can't believe you didn't mention this Steven yeah I'm so

00:05:47 ◼   ► disappointed at you I know I'm sorry disgraceful the IR port on the g3 I mean

00:05:53 ◼   ► Everyone knows about that.

00:05:55 ◼   ► Even I know it.

00:05:57 ◼   ► Do you know because you saw this tweet?

00:05:59 ◼   ► No, no, no. I was testing you.

00:06:01 ◼   ► Seeing how long it would take you to remember this.

00:06:04 ◼   ► And you failed.

00:06:06 ◼   ► I can confirm Federico texted me and said

00:06:09 ◼   ► "I wonder if he remembers the IR port?"

00:06:11 ◼   ► It's like, bro, I can't even imagine how he forgot about the IR port.

00:06:17 ◼   ► It's like, yeah, you're right. Such a disappointment.

00:06:20 ◼   ► Yeah, we talked a couple of weeks ago about this on Telegram because we sent each other

00:06:25 ◼   ► disappearing messages.

00:06:26 ◼   ► Yeah, it was on Telegram.

00:06:27 ◼   ► Actually, we talked on Signal.

00:06:28 ◼   ► Signal, that was the one.

00:06:29 ◼   ► Signal is what everyone uses.

00:06:30 ◼   ► It wasn't encrypted.

00:06:31 ◼   ► Yes.

00:06:32 ◼   ► Can't see me, Facebook.

00:06:33 ◼   ► Man, that WhatsApp thing, like, that is like a true encapsulation of Facebook destroying

00:06:46 ◼   ► itself.

00:06:47 ◼   ► Because there really was nothing wrong with their update.

00:06:52 ◼   ► It was just like, if for business customers they can access data in a different portal

00:06:58 ◼   ► basically, like at a very simple level.

00:07:01 ◼   ► But everyone's like, "WhatsApp's reading my messages!"

00:07:04 ◼   ► And then everyone leaves, and it's like, "Oh no!"

00:07:08 ◼   ► WhatsApp's encryption is better than iMessages encryption because they don't

00:07:17 ◼   ► back it up Facebook doesn't back it up it's true end-to-end unlike Apple's

00:07:22 ◼   ► encryption which can be not end-to-end if you do have your messages and iCard

00:07:27 ◼   ► backups it's just kind of funny really and then everyone's like Facebook's

00:07:31 ◼   ► worried in their messages and then they will just abandon the platform and use

00:07:35 ◼   ► signal instead. Funny how these things happen to you. That Kensington iPad Pro docking station

00:07:41 ◼   ► that we spoke about during CES week, the one that's got like a bunch of USB ports and a

00:07:47 ◼   ► Qi charger in the foot and all that kind of stuff, it's available now. It starts at $379

00:07:55 ◼   ► or $399 for the bigger one. I always find that kind of stuff funny. Like why is it only

00:08:03 ◼   ► $20 difference between the two sizes.

00:08:05 ◼   ► But nevertheless,

00:08:06 ◼   ► it's this is a very cool product,

00:08:11 ◼   ► but that's a lot of money, like a lot,

00:08:14 ◼   ► a lot of money for stuff where like

00:08:17 ◼   ► I would never buy this right now

00:08:19 ◼   ► because there is nothing to say

00:08:22 ◼   ► that it will still work

00:08:24 ◼   ► with the next iPad Pro.

00:08:26 ◼   ► Right. That's always the issue

00:08:28 ◼   ► with these types of products.

00:08:30 ◼   ► Yeah. If something's just around

00:08:32 ◼   ► the corner, it would be kind of foolish to drop this money until you see the next iPad Pro.

00:08:37 ◼   ► Because what if it's like, because they said it might be thicker, right?

00:08:41 ◼   ► The big one. But what if it then means it won't fit with that little integrated USB port

00:08:47 ◼   ► thing that they have? You know, like I always, you never forget the, was it the Elevation

00:08:52 ◼   ► dock, the Kickstarter campaign?

00:08:54 ◼   ► Yep.

00:08:55 ◼   ► It was for like one of the iPhones and by the time they got it out, the iPhone was a

00:08:58 ◼   ► completely different size and shape.

00:09:01 ◼   ► So, oh, was it, did it go from 30 pin to lightning?

00:09:03 ◼   ► Was that what that one was?

00:09:05 ◼   ► I think that's what it was.

00:09:06 ◼   ► I think it went from the from the 4S to the 5.

00:09:09 ◼   ► Yeah. Which if I remember correctly.

00:09:11 ◼   ► Part of the reason for having the the lightning, like having the lightning

00:09:16 ◼   ► made the whole thing easier because it was all about not having to press

00:09:19 ◼   ► the two things on the side to pull the phone out.

00:09:21 ◼   ► And lightning never needed that.

00:09:23 ◼   ► So, yeah, anyway, look, this is a cool product.

00:09:26 ◼   ► If you if anybody wants to get it for themselves, like more power to you.

00:09:30 ◼   ► But that's a little rich for me, I think.

00:09:36 ◼   ► As you mentioned, I'm concerned about future compatibility issues.

00:09:39 ◼   ► It doesn't inspire a lot of confidence that we know there's a new iPad Pro coming out

00:09:43 ◼   ► and this is coming out now.

00:09:46 ◼   ► So I don't like that.

00:09:47 ◼   ► I mean, I'm tempted, right?

00:09:49 ◼   ► Obviously I think it's a cool idea, but the price tag is what it is and the timing is

00:09:54 ◼   ► a little unfortunate.

00:09:55 ◼   ► And also I would feel better about this if iPadOS had better support for USB accessories,

00:10:01 ◼   ► where I could picture myself using something like this if, say, connecting an audio interface

00:10:06 ◼   ► to my iPad Pro didn't involve all the extra hardware and cables that it does right now.

00:10:13 ◼   ► And I just don't have a need for a docking station with a bunch of USB ports where, effectively,

00:10:22 ◼   ► It's not like I'm plugging in USB drives all day long to use them in the Files app, right?

00:10:29 ◼   ► It's like, if USB support was better, this would make a lot more sense.

00:10:36 ◼   ► So a combination of these things, the price, the timing, and the current support for USB

00:10:41 ◼   ► accessories in iPadOS, I think this is a pass for me right now.

00:10:48 ◼   ► It is like, I think we may have mentioned it at the time, this is a perfect product

00:10:54 ◼   ► for what we want the iPad to do.

00:10:57 ◼   ► It's not a perfect product for what it can actually realistically do right now.

00:11:03 ◼   ► And having like three or four USB ports attached to your iPad is mostly pointless for the actual

00:11:12 ◼   ► amount of things you can do with it.

00:11:14 ◼   ► I mean really you might just need one.

00:11:18 ◼   ► Maybe one day though.

00:11:19 ◼   ► So much money.

00:11:20 ◼   ► It's a lot of money, right?

00:11:23 ◼   ► So much money.

00:11:24 ◼   ► Well, let's take a break.

00:11:25 ◼   ► How does that sound?

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00:13:21 ◼   ► Carrot Weather 5 came out since we last recorded.

00:13:25 ◼   ► We spoke about it because we were referencing Brian who makes Carrot Weather, his post on

00:13:31 ◼   ► on Reddit talking about the upcoming changes to the application as an example of openness

00:13:37 ◼   ► and transparency with customers when it comes to subscription stuff.

00:13:41 ◼   ► And I think it's a good counterpoint to some of the stuff we were talking about last time.

00:13:45 ◼   ► So Carrot Weather did have a subscription plan already, but this new version made some

00:13:50 ◼   ► changes to the feature set, like it expanded some and changed some and added new features

00:13:54 ◼   ► in for different tiers.

00:13:56 ◼   ► There was also, it seems like, as there always is with this stuff, which does make me so

00:14:00 ◼   ► sad when I see this. There was a bug somewhere in the app or whether it's a thing on Apple's

00:14:07 ◼   ► end which made it seem like features were being taken away from the application until

00:14:12 ◼   ► you did the restore purchases thing. And it's just always a shame to me that the general

00:14:18 ◼   ► rhetoric around this is that people assume that things are being taken away from them

00:14:22 ◼   ► rather than it's a bug. But this is just the way that things have gone over time.

00:14:27 ◼   ► Carrot weather in general is the prime example, I think, of an app that has been improved

00:14:34 ◼   ► by having subscription revenue.

00:14:36 ◼   ► There is always new stuff getting added.

00:14:39 ◼   ► Every new technology that Apple creates in iOS every year is added into Carrot where

00:14:44 ◼   ► appropriate.

00:14:47 ◼   ► It's almost like I kind of think of Carrot now kind of in the way that I think about

00:14:50 ◼   ► PCALC, right?

00:14:53 ◼   ► Things are going to get put in the application whether they make sense or not, just because

00:14:57 ◼   ► why not add them like AR modes, right?

00:15:00 ◼   ► Like both Pcalc and Carrotweather have AR mode,

00:15:02 ◼   ► which is for a calculator and a weather app,

00:15:05 ◼   ► you probably don't need them, but why not put them in?

00:15:08 ◼   ► And as customers of those applications,

00:15:10 ◼   ► I like having it there because it's like a fun part to it.

00:15:14 ◼   ► But Carrotweather 5 changes the app in a big way.

00:15:20 ◼   ► And the thing that has changed the most and the thing that I love

00:15:24 ◼   ► the most about it is it is now incredibly configurable.

00:15:29 ◼   ► Like the app references like interface builder.

00:15:33 ◼   ► So you basically create your own interface.

00:15:35 ◼   ► And that's the perfect way to put it, because the amount of control

00:15:39 ◼   ► that you have over the application, what's shown in what order

00:15:42 ◼   ► it's shown, exactly what data you want in different places.

00:15:45 ◼   ► It is incredibly powerful.

00:15:48 ◼   ► And I hope that this is a trend that could begin now

00:15:53 ◼   ► with some of these types of applications,

00:15:55 ◼   ► like let me as the user just give me loads of stuff

00:15:58 ◼   ► and let me arrange it in the way that I want.

00:16:00 ◼   ► And the other thing I do really like about this

00:16:03 ◼   ► is because of this stuff,

00:16:05 ◼   ► because of the work that's been put in,

00:16:07 ◼   ► it's now really leaning more towards powerful weather tool

00:16:10 ◼   ► than it ever has before.

00:16:12 ◼   ► Like one of the things about the Cara apps

00:16:14 ◼   ► is like the personality, right?

00:16:16 ◼   ► Like the snarky personality that the app has

00:16:20 ◼   ► and it can talk to you and say stuff.

00:16:22 ◼   ► I feel like more than ever,

00:16:25 ◼   ► you can disable all of that

00:16:26 ◼   ► much more easily and more quickly than ever before.

00:16:29 ◼   ► And I think that that's a good idea.

00:16:31 ◼   ► I think it's fun to have it,

00:16:33 ◼   ► but I think not having it as well,

00:16:35 ◼   ► it also opens the app up to a wider audience.

00:16:37 ◼   ► Over time, I've just turned some of that stuff off

00:16:41 ◼   ► because the app went from being, hey, this is fun to, in my opinion,

00:16:46 ◼   ► this is the very best weather app to now.

00:16:49 ◼   ► I consider this one of the best iOS apps ever made.

00:16:51 ◼   ► And so I don't need the fun hook anymore that the personality gave me.

00:16:56 ◼   ► Some people still go for it and like, that's cool.

00:16:59 ◼   ► But I like now that you can just really easily just remove all of that.

00:17:02 ◼   ► And now it's just my really powerful, configurable, beautiful weather app.

00:17:06 ◼   ► Yeah, I've got all that stuff turned off.

00:17:09 ◼   ► One thing I also want to touch on about the subscription stuff.

00:17:14 ◼   ► There's also the factor, I think most of our listeners know this,

00:17:17 ◼   ► is that weather data is not free for these app makers.

00:17:21 ◼   ► When they go and ping whatever weather service you're using,

00:17:25 ◼   ► they get charged.

00:17:26 ◼   ► They get charged for radar data, et cetera, et cetera.

00:17:29 ◼   ► And so it's not just about ongoing maintenance and updates,

00:17:33 ◼   ► even though weather has definitely received those,

00:17:37 ◼   ► it is also about you are paying for the data you see

00:17:40 ◼   ► in the app.

00:17:41 ◼   ► And so out of all the app subscriptions,

00:17:42 ◼   ► and we talked about these last week,

00:17:43 ◼   ► the subscriptions that we all pay for,

00:17:47 ◼   ► In some ways, weather apps is like the simplest transaction

00:17:49 ◼   ► because they gotta pay for data and I'm paying them.

00:17:52 ◼   ► And so I have no problem whatsoever

00:17:55 ◼   ► with this business model and I'm really eager,

00:17:58 ◼   ► I hope Brian talks about this at some point.

00:18:01 ◼   ► Carrot weather used to be paid up front

00:18:03 ◼   ► and then it had in-app subscription for various features

00:18:08 ◼   ► tied to different types of weather data

00:18:10 ◼   ► and now it is free up front with these subscriptions.

00:18:14 ◼   ► - Ah, okay. - And so I--

00:18:15 ◼   ► That's the difference, 'cause I wasn't sure,

00:18:17 ◼   ► I knew something had changed,

00:18:18 ◼   ► but I didn't know what it was,

00:18:19 ◼   ► and I'd forgotten that it wasn't free.

00:18:22 ◼   ► - Yeah, so I imagine that's gonna put this

00:18:23 ◼   ► in front of many more people,

00:18:25 ◼   ► and I think because it is more customizable,

00:18:29 ◼   ► and I think more professional,

00:18:30 ◼   ► even if you leave all the Snark and stuff on,

00:18:32 ◼   ► it looks more professional than it ever has.

00:18:36 ◼   ► I really just hope he has all the success,

00:18:39 ◼   ► because this is fantastic, I agree with you.

00:18:41 ◼   ► This is one of the best iOS apps I've ever used.

00:18:45 ◼   ► So now that it is so configurable, uh,

00:18:48 ◼   ► I wanted to kind of run through all of us and talk about how we have it set up

00:18:53 ◼   ► because I expect the three of us have very different needs from a weather app

00:18:58 ◼   ► considering our places in the world, right? Like we have the three of us,

00:19:03 ◼   ► very different climates that we live in. Um,

00:19:06 ◼   ► so I thought it would just be fun to go through it. My,

00:19:09 ◼   ► the application has a bunch of presets and then you can configure them. Um,

00:19:14 ◼   ► The preset that I have is the default one, which is called Odin,

00:19:17 ◼   ► which I don't exactly know why this is the default.

00:19:20 ◼   ► I think it's new for this version, but there's like a bunch of different themes.

00:19:24 ◼   ► One of the things that I did like about the customization on the first day

00:19:28 ◼   ► that you use it, it gives you just a few features and it like kind of doles

00:19:33 ◼   ► them out over time so you can add the complexity in or you can do what I did,

00:19:37 ◼   ► which is what I assume most people did,

00:19:38 ◼   ► as a button that you can tap to give you every option at once.

00:19:43 ◼   ► And I think that's really smart, not to overwhelm people that they feel like they have to sit

00:19:48 ◼   ► down for an hour and really tweak this, but I did just that.

00:19:52 ◼   ► I sat down and wanted to set the whole thing up and spend half an hour on it.

00:19:58 ◼   ► And so I liked that I had that option.

00:20:00 ◼   ► So from the way that I have it set up, I have the current observations at the very top,

00:20:06 ◼   ► which is just a summary.

00:20:07 ◼   ► And I have the temperature, I have the feels like temperature, because I don't know why

00:20:12 ◼   ► you'd want any other temperature. The precipitation chance, is it going to rain? The high and

00:20:17 ◼   ► low of the day, and then just like a summary of what the, in text of what the weather is.

00:20:22 ◼   ► Then I have an hourly forecast kind of block, followed up by cards of relevant data, and

00:20:28 ◼   ► this is kind of clever, so it's like a spot of four little pieces of data that can be

00:20:32 ◼   ► shown which are relevant things. So at the moment I've got 0.5 millimetres of rain in

00:20:38 ◼   ► the next 12 hours, what time sun rises and the wind speeds. And they change based on

00:20:43 ◼   ► what the weather's like every day. Then I have a daily forecast, so it's showing me

00:20:50 ◼   ► over the next seven days the summary of each day and I have precipitation amount again

00:20:55 ◼   ► and high and low temperature. Then I have summary cards there. Then there are these

00:21:01 ◼   ► daily summaries of evening, overnight, morning, afternoon, it's saying for me now, of temperature,

00:21:09 ◼   ► rain amount, wind speed and UV index. I just thought they'd be cool to have in there. Like,

00:21:14 ◼   ► why not? And then at the bottom, there's this data points thing where it's just, here's

00:21:19 ◼   ► a bunch of stuff. Like it's all of the types of things you might consider for weather like

00:21:23 ◼   ► pressure and humidity and visibility and all that kind of stuff just at the bottom. So

00:21:28 ◼   ► So yeah, it's nice, set up nicely.

00:21:31 ◼   ► Steven just sent me a text saying we should make screenshots, so there will be screenshots

00:21:35 ◼   ► in the show notes of our weather setups in case you're interested.

00:21:38 ◼   ► I also use the Odin theme.

00:21:42 ◼   ► I think we all started from the same preset.

00:21:44 ◼   ► I think we did, yeah, looking at our notes.

00:21:46 ◼   ► I think it's the one you're given, and I did play around with them, but this was the one

00:21:51 ◼   ► I liked the most.

00:21:53 ◼   ► So I think it's the best one.

00:21:55 ◼   ► Yeah, I do too.

00:21:57 ◼   ► So for me, I have current observations, I show the actual temperature and the feels

00:22:03 ◼   ► like temp, like seeing both the high low for the day and then sunrise sunset.

00:22:09 ◼   ► And then sort of the the text of about what's going on all that at the top.

00:22:14 ◼   ► My hourly forecast to have horizontally so I can scroll across it so it takes up less

00:22:18 ◼   ► space.

00:22:21 ◼   ► And I have the precipitation precipitation chance and amount, basically anywhere I can

00:22:26 ◼   ► put it. The daily forecast I have vertically under that and then I have the data points

00:22:31 ◼   ► in text and I have almost all of them on because it's fun to see all that data. So mine is

00:22:37 ◼   ► very text heavy and I tried to make it basically as visually dense as possible.

00:22:44 ◼   ► One of the differences looking at our screenshots is you both have like the kind of landscape

00:22:48 ◼   ► kind of look. Yeah I thought that was... And I just have like the colored block. There's

00:22:53 ◼   ► like a setting somewhere to change that part. Yeah, you can change like the layout of any

00:23:00 ◼   ► individual section independently if you want. Yeah, I did that. Yeah, I thought the illustration

00:23:05 ◼   ► was the only fun touch I allowed in the app because I also like I turned off all the snark

00:23:12 ◼   ► and like those features months ago because I don't really like when I open it I don't

00:23:17 ◼   ► really need it it's like the same reason why I turned off the carrot button in the top

00:23:22 ◼   ► boss because it's like the whole gamification thing with the personality. Like I get it

00:23:27 ◼   ► as a hook to start using the app. Now I just really want a way for me to open something

00:23:32 ◼   ► that gives me the weather that I want and the information that I want as quickly as

00:23:36 ◼   ► possible. So that was my thought. And my layout is basically like based on the Odin theme

00:23:42 ◼   ► as well, which I simplified for my very simple needs. Like all I want to know from a weather

00:23:49 ◼   ► app is the current conditions, what's it gonna be like on a hourly basis for the

00:23:54 ◼   ► next two days, and so right underneath the illustration I have a horizontal

00:23:59 ◼   ► graph for the next 48 hours with the mini size, so this is the compact layout

00:24:06 ◼   ► for it. Then I have the F4 cards. Right now in the screenshot you only see two

00:24:15 ◼   ► of them because the other two are not relevant. So I have High and Low and

00:24:19 ◼   ► sunrise and sunset, but I also have rain and wind. But because it's not raining

00:24:25 ◼   ► and it's not gonna be windy over the next 24 hours, those cards do not show up

00:24:31 ◼   ► because they're not over the threshold. Oh yeah, because you can set that too,

00:24:35 ◼   ► can't you? You can set it up in settings. You can say those cards are

00:24:41 ◼   ► dynamic and you can say if rain is going to be over, say, I don't know, five millimeters

00:24:47 ◼   ► over the next X number of hours, then show up. Otherwise, stay hidden. And I thought

00:24:54 ◼   ► that was a really clever touch. And finally, I have...

00:24:58 ◼   ► There are a million clever touches in this application.

00:25:01 ◼   ► Yeah, there's one of the many. And lastly, I have a vertical list for the forecast for

00:25:10 ◼   ► the next seven days.

00:25:11 ◼   ► And the only data point that is shown,

00:25:13 ◼   ► I mean, in addition to the default, so in addition to the

00:25:16 ◼   ► little icons for the weather conditions and the

00:25:20 ◼   ► temperatures, I have the chance of rain, which I

00:25:23 ◼   ► think is the like that's effectively the only

00:25:26 ◼   ► variable happening in Rome most

00:25:30 ◼   ► of the time. Like, but now we don't have tornadoes,

00:25:33 ◼   ► we don't have snow, we don't really have anything else.

00:25:36 ◼   ► It's either going to be good weather or it's going to

00:25:38 ◼   ► rain. And so it's a pretty simple setup. And I figured I want to make sure that as much

00:25:42 ◼   ► as possible, like, I don't want to scroll this screen. It should fit on a single page

00:25:49 ◼   ► as much as possible. I think right now on my Pro Max, I only have to scroll if I want

00:25:55 ◼   ► to go, like, beyond three days in the final next seven days forecast.

00:26:04 ◼   ► Yeah, I did a... that's how I... because you can adjust the like padding and stuff.

00:26:08 ◼   ► You can adjust the height, you can adjust the line spacing in the interface maker.

00:26:12 ◼   ► So I did the same. I set it up so I would get like...

00:26:16 ◼   ► today, everything I want to know about today, and then the next like three or four days without needing to scroll.

00:26:22 ◼   ► Oh my god, this app is so good.

00:26:25 ◼   ► It's very good, and it's part of this idea of...

00:26:29 ◼   ► like I seriously think that customization...

00:26:32 ◼   ► It's gonna, like, we saw this trend start from the home screen, and I think it will expand to more and different areas of the OS,

00:26:43 ◼   ► because to me it only feels natural that our devices and our, and not really the apps that we use are so mature at this point,

00:26:51 ◼   ► then the next logical step, at least to me, feels like, well, now that we have all these options, why not let users customize them more?

00:27:00 ◼   ► And that feels like an obvious approach to me.

00:27:03 ◼   ► And I think it's only logical that Care Weather

00:27:05 ◼   ► had all these different data points before,

00:27:08 ◼   ► these different integrations, all these different modules

00:27:10 ◼   ► that you could install in the app

00:27:12 ◼   ► and customize in the widget,

00:27:14 ◼   ► but you didn't really have full control over the UI.

00:27:17 ◼   ► And now you do.

00:27:18 ◼   ► And I think that's the way to go.

00:27:19 ◼   ► And I think it's something that I want to start seeing

00:27:21 ◼   ► in more apps.

00:27:23 ◼   ► Not that I do not want developers to make their own choices.

00:27:26 ◼   ► I just feel like it's better if users also have

00:27:30 ◼   ► the option to rearrange things around because we're not stupid.

00:27:34 ◼   ► It depends how you look at it, right? The developer still has to make all of the choices.

00:27:38 ◼   ► Right. The developer makes the tools and makes the default choices.

00:27:42 ◼   ► But I think the Keras approach in this case is really

00:27:45 ◼   ► well done. Same with Widgetsmith, for example, right?

00:27:48 ◼   ► David made all those tools, all those

00:27:52 ◼   ► features possible, but then it's up to you to do whatever you want with them.

00:27:56 ◼   ► Yeah, I think it's all right. I really love it. I wanted to also ask what data source

00:28:03 ◼   ► you use. I use dark sky right now. I'm nervous about this because I don't know what's going

00:28:09 ◼   ► to happen to it when that API thing runs out. And the reason I do it is because it has good

00:28:16 ◼   ► kind of like seven day availability in the UK, but it also has the precipitation alerts

00:28:23 ◼   ► and within like a, you know, within an hour or whatever, and I don't want to lose that.

00:28:28 ◼   ► I don't really know what to do, so I just kind of, I was just wondering, like, what

00:28:32 ◼   ► do you guys use for the, um, for your data source?

00:28:37 ◼   ► I use AccuWeather in general, because I think that turned out to be the most accurate, you

00:28:45 ◼   ► know, when I last did a bunch of tests last year.

00:28:49 ◼   ► for a few months now I have used a Netatmo personal weather station so that

00:28:55 ◼   ► when I'm in 1.5 kilometer range of my home Carrot weather automatically

00:29:02 ◼   ► switches to that and so it shows me... I didn't know it did that, oh my god that's so small.

00:29:06 ◼   ► Yeah it's got Netatmo, like you log in with your Netatmo account in Carrot's

00:29:11 ◼   ► settings and so when you're in close range to your home it shows you data, I

00:29:17 ◼   ► I mean, the data that it can collect, right?

00:29:19 ◼   ► So temperature, humidity, that kind of stuff.

00:29:21 ◼   ► I don't have a rain sensor, for example,

00:29:23 ◼   ► so it uses the other source for that part.

00:29:27 ◼   ► But for the basic info, yeah, it uses my personal weather

00:29:30 ◼   ► station.

00:29:30 ◼   ► And which weather station do you have?

00:29:33 ◼   ► The basic one, the Netatmo personal weather station.

00:29:36 ◼   ► It's a two-module thing.

00:29:37 ◼   ► It's like there's a little indoor cylinder

00:29:41 ◼   ► and an outdoors sensor.

00:29:43 ◼   ► You don't have one of these, Steven, a weather station?

00:29:46 ◼   ► I feel like you would be a weather station person.

00:29:47 ◼   ► - Yeah, the thing is if I do it,

00:29:49 ◼   ► I'm gonna wanna go all Jason Snell on it

00:29:52 ◼   ► and do like a real one.

00:29:54 ◼   ► Like no, I mean--

00:29:55 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's not that kind of weather station.

00:29:57 ◼   ► This is like a very simple one.

00:29:58 ◼   ► - And so I have not allowed myself to go down that road

00:30:01 ◼   ► because I would just spend all the money.

00:30:03 ◼   ► - And you use the radar stuff a lot, right?

00:30:06 ◼   ► - I do use the radar a lot.

00:30:07 ◼   ► In my part of the US, again, we get these big storms

00:30:11 ◼   ► and so the radar is really critical to me

00:30:15 ◼   ► And that is really good in Carrotweather.

00:30:20 ◼   ► And in five, it's even easier to get to,

00:30:22 ◼   ► because it's just a tab on the bottom.

00:30:25 ◼   ► In Carrotweather four, it was like more than one tap

00:30:29 ◼   ► to get to it.

00:30:29 ◼   ► So I really appreciate that becoming more front and center.

00:30:35 ◼   ► Like Federico, I use AccuWeather.

00:30:37 ◼   ► I've looked at a bunch of these sources,

00:30:38 ◼   ► and it seems to be the most accurate when comparing it

00:30:41 ◼   ► with local data.

00:30:42 ◼   ► You'd hope so, right?

00:30:44 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:30:44 ◼   ► - It's in the name, so it's not called in AccuWeather, so.

00:30:49 ◼   ► - It's like kind of weather, maybe.

00:30:53 ◼   ► - I also just don't like how the Dark Sky API puts in

00:30:56 ◼   ► like 1% chance of rain.

00:30:57 ◼   ► It's like, that doesn't matter to me.

00:30:59 ◼   ► Like, you know, like some of their data

00:31:01 ◼   ► is a little funny sometimes.

00:31:03 ◼   ► I do have it pull in Dark Sky, so I do get,

00:31:06 ◼   ► hey, it's gonna start raining in 10 minutes.

00:31:08 ◼   ► That's still very accurate where I live,

00:31:10 ◼   ► but I prefer the AccuWeather forecast data

00:31:12 ◼   ► and Carrotweather can blend the two.

00:31:15 ◼   ► So that's how I have mine set up.

00:31:16 ◼   ► One thing we didn't mention is that there are ads

00:31:20 ◼   ► in Carrotweather 5, but they're all for other indie apps

00:31:25 ◼   ► or weird made up things.

00:31:26 ◼   ► - I love the made up ones, they're very funny.

00:31:29 ◼   ► - Yeah, so like in John's review, there's one for

00:31:33 ◼   ► pay off your medical bills, sell your kidneys,

00:31:36 ◼   ► want your very own baby, bribe a corrupt stork

00:31:38 ◼   ► in your area today, so.

00:31:41 ◼   ► As always, right on brand. Well done.

00:31:44 ◼   ► Uh, and I, and I liked that that is for like indie things. And so you can,

00:31:48 ◼   ► I think that's a really cool way to do it.

00:31:50 ◼   ► Brian has said that that may become actual advertising at some point,

00:31:54 ◼   ► but he wants to do it in a way that doesn't track anything.

00:31:56 ◼   ► So at this point he's just doing it all himself with these indie and funny ads.

00:32:00 ◼   ► I saw them somewhere, but even the,

00:32:02 ◼   ► like the ads for other iOS apps still written in this style.

00:32:09 ◼   ► I think they did one for Dark Noise and it was kind of, I don't remember the exact thing,

00:32:13 ◼   ► but it was along the lines of like, "Do you need to shut out the horrors of the world?"

00:32:17 ◼   ► or something like that, right? Like, you can use Dark Noise. So I like that that's in there.

00:32:22 ◼   ► I often wonder who's writing this stuff. Like, Brian Mueller, the developer, is he doing

00:32:27 ◼   ► it? How much of his day is spent?

00:32:30 ◼   ► I don't want to get this wrong. I believe he's got a major in English literature.

00:32:35 ◼   ► I mean, he has to be very skilled in this area.

00:32:39 ◼   ► Again, Brian, please correct me if I'm wrong when you listen to this. I think the last

00:32:42 ◼   ► time we interviewed him on App Stories, he told us the story of, like, he actually is

00:32:47 ◼   ► like a really good writer, and he used to write fiction. Maybe, I don't know, I maybe

00:32:51 ◼   ► misremember in details. But it must be, it must take so much time. And it's really well

00:32:56 ◼   ► done as well. Like, the snarky part, even if, like, I keep it off, but it's really well

00:33:01 ◼   ► done, and it's really on point as well. So he spends a lot of, I don't remember, like,

00:33:07 ◼   ► how many thousands of new lines of dialogue this new version of Carrot Weather has.

00:33:13 ◼   ► But thousands.

00:33:14 ◼   ► I just assumed he's adding them daily, right?

00:33:15 ◼   ► Because there's always...

00:33:16 ◼   ► Yeah, he can push them...

00:33:17 ◼   ► And he's got a system for pushing them from the server to the app.

00:33:21 ◼   ► Yeah, it's like when something happens, like, worldwide, some global event, and you see

00:33:25 ◼   ► the little snark in Carrot Weather.

00:33:28 ◼   ► That's always funny.

00:33:30 ◼   ► It's very impressive.

00:33:31 ◼   ► So if you haven't checked this out, go check it out.

00:33:33 ◼   ► And like I said, our setups for this will be in screenshots in the show notes.

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00:35:14 ◼   ► Apple is hiring.

00:35:16 ◼   ► This is a report that came out a couple of days ago.

00:35:20 ◼   ► They are looking for a senior engineering project manager

00:35:24 ◼   ► to join Apple's Health Hardware Group

00:35:27 ◼   ► to work on quote, Apple branded health hardware products,

00:35:32 ◼   ► according to this job listing.

00:35:34 ◼   ► This is really interesting to me

00:35:36 ◼   ► because it seems to tip the hand

00:35:38 ◼   ► that Apple is looking at additional hardware

00:35:40 ◼   ► that could tie into their health kit ecosystem.

00:35:43 ◼   ► And I want to know what we would want to see.

00:35:46 ◼   ► What do we think this could be?

00:35:48 ◼   ► - Well, one thing I did go and the job posting still up

00:35:53 ◼   ► 'cause I've seen this stuff in the past

00:35:54 ◼   ► where someone's put something in a job posting,

00:35:57 ◼   ► which might not be right.

00:35:58 ◼   ► This, but it's still up.

00:36:00 ◼   ► And this role, it's in the Apple branded

00:36:04 ◼   ► Health Hardware Products team.

00:36:05 ◼   ► Apparently this team does stuff like the

00:36:09 ◼   ► working with gym companies and things like that.

00:36:11 ◼   ► Looks like it's an existing team.

00:36:13 ◼   ► But this particular role seems to strongly hint

00:36:16 ◼   ► at products from Apple, right?

00:36:19 ◼   ► So I just wanted to set that up.

00:36:20 ◼   ► It's like it's a team that already exists

00:36:22 ◼   ► doing other stuff.

00:36:23 ◼   ► - Right.

00:36:23 ◼   ► And so the way that this role is outlined kind of seems like you would be responsible

00:36:30 ◼   ► for helping with the final parts of putting something to market, which seems that like

00:36:34 ◼   ► if this is a product that Apple's making could hint towards the fact that something's soon.

00:36:42 ◼   ► Maybe AirTags have been a health product all along, right?

00:36:45 ◼   ► But...

00:36:46 ◼   ► So we're supposed to all run around to find the things.

00:36:49 ◼   ► But couldn't it just be a new Apple Watch?

00:36:52 ◼   ► Yeah, but Apple watches aren't in the health hardware team, surely, right?

00:36:58 ◼   ► That's the Apple Watch team.

00:36:59 ◼   ► But imagine Apple saying, like, "We are adding new sensors, health-related sensors, to the

00:37:06 ◼   ► Apple Watch."

00:37:07 ◼   ► And you gotta write the job posting in a way that it sounds super generic.

00:37:11 ◼   ► Like, isn't this the way that you would write it?

00:37:14 ◼   ► Yeah, but then it's not a very fun topic.

00:37:16 ◼   ► Sure, okay.

00:37:18 ◼   ► Yeah, we're using this as a lead-in to something else.

00:37:22 ◼   ► But there is a team called Apple Health Hardware and they do stuff and it's also worth remembering

00:37:27 ◼   ► I'm probably going to mention these in a minute. They own that company, Bedit. Do you remember

00:37:31 ◼   ► these? It's like a sleep monitor thing?

00:37:34 ◼   ► Yeah, I had one of those. My girlfriend had me remove it from our bed in like two days.

00:37:39 ◼   ► It's like, no, you're not keeping that thing under the sheets.

00:37:43 ◼   ► They get the FileMaker treatment. So the bottom of the Bedit website says copyright 2019 Apple

00:37:51 ◼   ► Inc. which is funny because that's now two years out of date so it shows that they're

00:37:55 ◼   ► getting the old file maker treatment where shush, bet it, just get on with what you're

00:38:00 ◼   ► doing kind of thing but that's it's still a product you can buy you're technically buying

00:38:05 ◼   ► it from Apple maybe that's part of this team maybe they're doing more but yes I understand

00:38:10 ◼   ► what you're saying could be nothing but if it was something what would you like it to

00:38:13 ◼   ► be?

00:38:15 ◼   ► I would love to have like an Apple made smart scale, like a very basic one.

00:38:21 ◼   ► I used to have a Ythings scale years ago and then it stopped working.

00:38:26 ◼   ► So I got another one.

00:38:28 ◼   ► Mine is branded Nokia.

00:38:29 ◼   ► Okay.

00:38:30 ◼   ► Even though I use the Ythings app.

00:38:32 ◼   ► So going back to what we were talking about earlier on, the app is now Ythings, but my

00:38:36 ◼   ► scale is Nokia.

00:38:39 ◼   ► Which is just funny with the backwards and forwards.

00:38:43 ◼   ► But I have one of those.

00:38:44 ◼   ► another one from another brand that I don't remember and then it also stopped working.

00:38:49 ◼   ► So I guess I would really love to have a very simple smart scale made by Apple that is reliable,

00:38:55 ◼   ► durable, that does not use basic Bluetooth but something more, you know, with a stronger

00:38:59 ◼   ► connection that ties in with the Apple Watch, that ties in with my phone. I just want to

00:39:05 ◼   ► weight myself without having to wait for Bluetooth connections or for battery life to, you know,

00:39:12 ◼   ► out after two months. You know, very, very basic product.

00:39:17 ◼   ► I don't know. Something is wrong, man. I don't know. It's the, my bathroom is sucking up

00:39:21 ◼   ► all the Bluetooth, I guess. I don't know. Humidity? Surely they're built for that though.

00:39:27 ◼   ► Maybe. I don't know, man. I don't know. It's just like the batteries didn't run out. You're

00:39:33 ◼   ► like, well, this thing's broken. So there's that. So there's that. Obviously, you know,

00:39:39 ◼   ► yourself, you as the thief of my chest strap, I would love to have an Apple-made one for

00:39:48 ◼   ► intense workouts or for people who cannot wear an Apple Watch, like a better heart rate

00:39:54 ◼   ► monitor made by Apple as a chest sensor. I think that would be interesting.

00:40:00 ◼   ► I'd love that too, because then I would have a new thing to steal.

00:40:02 ◼   ► Right, you as the resident thief of the show.

00:40:07 ◼   ► chest heart rate monitors. Sweaty heart rate monitors. You will love that. Everyone has

00:40:13 ◼   ► the thing, their thing, right? Everyone has their thing. Everyone has a thing. And that

00:40:16 ◼   ► is yours. This is a safe space. We're not judging you. We love you. Sweaty chest monitors.

00:40:25 ◼   ► And we support you no matter what your thing is. Thank you. And finally, I think I'm intrigued

00:40:31 ◼   ► by the idea of Apple making actual workout equipment. Like, what if you could buy an

00:40:37 ◼   ► in... like, okay, let me rephrase. What if Apple made a Peloton bike, basically? Like,

00:40:45 ◼   ► actual equipment made by Apple. That would be fun.

00:40:48 ◼   ► I don't know why... like, we're talking... people are talking about cars, right? Apple

00:40:52 ◼   ► car, Apple car.

00:40:53 ◼   ► Yeah, I don't want an Apple car. I want an Apple bike.

00:40:55 ◼   ► This makes more sense to me, like Apple making exercise equipment than a car.

00:41:01 ◼   ► Yeah. Like I could genuine because it feels closer to what they do and what they're good at doing and

00:41:06 ◼   ► what they've been successful at doing than a car. Because like I don't hear a lot of great things

00:41:12 ◼   ► about carplay and that's kind of as far as car has gotten but like Apple watch and fitness plus

00:41:18 ◼   ► people love that stuff. I think it makes a lot of sense for them and also I imagine you know I'm

00:41:25 ◼   ► I'm just going to take a bet here that an exercise bike is easier to build than a car.

00:41:30 ◼   ► I'm just taking a bet.

00:41:32 ◼   ► I'm just going to take a bet. And also I assume there's less moral and regulatory issues with

00:41:39 ◼   ► cars than exercise bikes. So I would like to see that kind of stuff. It would be interesting.

00:41:47 ◼   ► Bikes, treadmills obviously. Like all kinds like cover the most popular workouts first.

00:41:54 ◼   ► And it made me expand. You know, a yoga mat made by Apple because why not, right?

00:41:59 ◼   ► Made of aluminum.

00:42:02 ◼   ► My girlfriend bought a professional Pilates mat, like, a few years ago. And those things,

00:42:08 ◼   ► like the actual professional things, are expensive.

00:42:10 ◼   ► You know what they'd make it out of, though? That same material they make the Magic Keyboard

00:42:14 ◼   ► out of, and like, that like, terrible...

00:42:17 ◼   ► Oh no, oh my god.

00:42:18 ◼   ► Like, that's... So like, you would physically just grip to it? Like, you wouldn't be able

00:42:22 ◼   ► to move? It'd be horrible.

00:42:24 ◼   ► I will cover it in stickers, just like the Magic Keyboard.

00:42:30 ◼   ► Sticker-covered yoga mat.

00:42:32 ◼   ► Honey, did you put kickstands on my yoga mat?

00:42:35 ◼   ► Please stop.

00:42:36 ◼   ► Hey, are you still living that kickstand life?

00:42:41 ◼   ► Well, no, I'm using the Magic Keyboard.

00:42:43 ◼   ► Oh, yeah, that was on the smart keyboard, wasn't it?

00:42:46 ◼   ► Yeah, that was on the smart keyboard.

00:42:48 ◼   ► Before I know, you put kickstands on the Magic Keyboard.

00:42:50 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:42:51 ◼   ► are not like a thing for me like chest straps maybe for you it just one thing that I did

00:42:58 ◼   ► once I don't know because it started off with like one and then there were like 12 yeah

00:43:03 ◼   ► but on the same product like it was contained to the same accessory it was weird it was

00:43:09 ◼   ► it was not weird it was not it was weird okay okay says the guy who steals sweaty straps

00:43:16 ◼   ► from people who go to gyms. Okay, sure. The kickstands were weird. They were very useful

00:43:22 ◼   ► for you, but they were weird. They're not weird. You had these tiny little feet on your

00:43:27 ◼   ► iPad. They're not weird. You used to just flick them out and stand your iPad up on it.

00:43:33 ◼   ► They're not foot-shaped. They are... I don't care. It's strange to have all these kickstands

00:43:38 ◼   ► a lower place. It's not strange. I don't get it. I don't get it, really. But we should,

00:43:47 ◼   ► I mean, so, back to the topic, at some point we should revisit the idea of the Apple car

00:43:55 ◼   ► and our thoughts on it, especially in light of the recent rumors about it. Because I personally

00:44:00 ◼   ► am not sold on the idea of purchasing an Apple car right now. I don't want to have to think

00:44:06 ◼   ► about it even. Right? Like I don't even want to have to think about my career.

00:44:15 ◼   ► Yeah. How do you cover an apple car? Yeah, in the sense of there's now this thing

00:44:20 ◼   ► that they do and it's a car. And it's just like how if that becomes a big

00:44:27 ◼   ► talking point for a period of time, which it certainly will, right, because it would

00:44:31 ◼   ► be so weird if they do it. I don't feel comfortable even conceiving of having to deal with that.

00:44:39 ◼   ► You know how sometimes I will try one piece of technology and then end up trying a different

00:44:45 ◼   ► piece of technology and selling the first one? It's happened.

00:44:47 ◼   ► Aren't you doing that again right now?

00:44:49 ◼   ► It's happened once or twice.

00:44:50 ◼   ► You're doing it now, aren't you?

00:44:52 ◼   ► Can you imagine doing that with a car?

00:44:55 ◼   ► Do you notice how he's not answering me, which means he's editing this out?

00:44:58 ◼   ► [Music]

00:45:03 ◼   ► And I'm gonna try to phrase this in a way that I don't offend anybody,

00:45:06 ◼   ► but it seems to me as if people who purchase a certain type of electric car

00:45:12 ◼   ► these days, they become very quickly obsessed with sharing photos

00:45:18 ◼   ► of that particular car, and it's like the whole life

00:45:21 ◼   ► now revolves around that particular brand,

00:45:24 ◼   ► and the CEO of that brand and that car. Yeah, you're talking about Mazda.

00:45:30 ◼   ► Yes, everybody's buying Mazdas these days, right? It's like, it's the hot new thing. Hey,

00:45:39 ◼   ► I just got a Mazda. It's like they're sharing these photos of the, you know, the like, what's

00:45:46 ◼   ► it called in the car? The cockpit? It's not called, what's it called? No, cockpit. Yeah,

00:45:51 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, you got it. You know, and everyone's like, "Oh man, I love Akira Marumoto, he's

00:45:57 ◼   ► my favorite. Akira Marumoto, he's a visionary."

00:46:01 ◼   ► Sure.

00:46:02 ◼   ► He's changing the world.

00:46:03 ◼   ► Do you spend, like, your day, like, do you live in your car now? Because all you do is

00:46:08 ◼   ► share photos of your steering wheel.

00:46:11 ◼   ► Well, I think for the price of some of these things, I think for some people the answer

00:46:15 ◼   ► is "Yeah, they do now." Cars are very expensive.

00:46:20 ◼   ► The more photos you take, you get a discount or something? I don't know. How does it work?

00:46:26 ◼   ► And they got so giddy when there's a software update, right? It's like, "Hey, now I can

00:46:30 ◼   ► play Pac-Man in my Mazda." It's like, "Okay, describe to me how exactly that works." Well,

00:46:39 ◼   ► you have 30 minutes free in your day, in your afternoon. You're like, "Honey, I'm going

00:46:42 ◼   ► to the garage and I'm going to play a little Pac-Man in my Mazda."

00:46:45 ◼   ► Oh no, it rained. My Mazda's bumper came off.

00:46:51 ◼   ► And remember, we are talking only about Mazda here.

00:46:54 ◼   ► That's right.

00:46:55 ◼   ► If you think we're talking about something else, we didn't say that.

00:46:59 ◼   ► I said nothing. I said Mazda.

00:47:01 ◼   ► Myke said Akira Marumoto.

00:47:02 ◼   ► And Akira Marumoto only.

00:47:05 ◼   ► So anyway, this is not a topic today. It's just a parenthesis.

00:47:10 ◼   ► I tried googling to see if Akira Muramoto owned the space rocket company, because that

00:47:15 ◼   ► would have been the best thing ever and I couldn't find anything that suggested that

00:47:18 ◼   ► they do.

00:47:19 ◼   ► They don't.

00:47:20 ◼   ► It's a shame.

00:47:21 ◼   ► Can you imagine how perfect that would be?

00:47:22 ◼   ► That would be, it would be great.

00:47:24 ◼   ► That would be incredible.

00:47:25 ◼   ► You know, mantas have a real smell to them.

00:47:26 ◼   ► They have a real...

00:47:27 ◼   ► Wait, smell?

00:47:28 ◼   ► Yeah, like a real musky smell.

00:47:32 ◼   ► Oh, there we go.

00:47:34 ◼   ► I wonder where it was going.

00:47:35 ◼   ► I wonder what it was going to be and there it is.

00:47:37 ◼   ► Got it.

00:47:38 ◼   ► second I thought that smelling Mazda was Steven's new thing.

00:47:43 ◼   ► It's my special thing.

00:47:44 ◼   ► But it was just a bad joke. It's just... okay.

00:47:47 ◼   ► Can we bring this all the way back around to the original topic again?

00:47:51 ◼   ► Yes, and I apologize. Sorry.

00:47:52 ◼   ► No, it was a great aside. We all learned some new things about Mazda. We referenced this

00:47:57 ◼   ► a little bit earlier. I want an Apple Watch about the watch part. So all the sensors.

00:48:03 ◼   ► So without a screen?

00:48:04 ◼   ► Yes.

00:48:05 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:48:06 ◼   ► Okay. Hmm. So a Fitbit.

00:48:07 ◼   ► So I want something that does all my fitness tracking, heart rate tracking, all of that

00:48:13 ◼   ► kind of stuff.

00:48:14 ◼   ► Just like a tasteful sport band that just basically looks like the sport bands.

00:48:18 ◼   ► Like an Apple band.

00:48:19 ◼   ► It's just a bracelet that I wear.

00:48:21 ◼   ► I would love that product.

00:48:23 ◼   ► I think it would be a great thing for them to create at some point.

00:48:27 ◼   ► I really hope that they do.

00:48:30 ◼   ► It can send all of that stuff to my iPhone.

00:48:32 ◼   ► It would get, I assume, multiple days of battery life.

00:48:36 ◼   ► I would love it.

00:48:37 ◼   ► I think it'd be super cool. If they wanted to, I wouldn't use this, but if they wanted to, they could try and put some kind of taptic thing in it.

00:48:42 ◼   ► I don't know. I just, as I've said this many times, I like to wear watches. I also want that information. I'm not wearing two watches.

00:48:50 ◼   ► That would be a product I'd really love.

00:48:53 ◼   ► Would you wear it around your ankle?

00:48:55 ◼   ► No, I'd wear it on my other wrist.

00:48:57 ◼   ► He's not a Mazda fan. Come on.

00:48:59 ◼   ► [Laughter]

00:49:03 ◼   ► I now feel bad for Master Omens.

00:49:06 ◼   ► They don't. No one owns a Mazda.

00:49:09 ◼   ► We'll find out.

00:49:10 ◼   ► Oh, yeah, that's what you think.

00:49:12 ◼   ► We'll find out.

00:49:13 ◼   ► I see the pictures in my Twitter.

00:49:16 ◼   ► The whole Instagram account.

00:49:18 ◼   ► People in their Akira Muramoto posters.

00:49:21 ◼   ► That's right. #MazdaFam. Mazda Mania.

00:49:25 ◼   ► I would like an actual fully integrated sleep tracking device. Not that weird bedding thing

00:49:31 ◼   ► because I also don't like to wear watches when I sleep. I never have. But I am interested

00:49:37 ◼   ► in sleep tracking, but I would like a product for that. Because again, people are going

00:49:45 ◼   ► to say to me, "Hey, there is this product that can do what you want. There is this product

00:49:50 ◼   ► that you can do what you want." I like the idea of more health-connected technology at

00:49:56 ◼   ► home. For the moment, there's blood pressure devices, all that kind of stuff. It just seems

00:49:59 ◼   ► like the technology exists for me to be able to do these things at home now, but I don't

00:50:04 ◼   ► want to buy these from any kind of rando company. Like this is the kind of technology where

00:50:10 ◼   ► I'm like, where even I am worried about privacy implications of it. Right. Because I know

00:50:17 ◼   ► I tend to be a little bit like I'll use Instagram, whatever. Like I will opt into personalised

00:50:23 ◼   ► ads because I like the personalisation, you know, like there is a spectrum of people's

00:50:28 ◼   ► care decisions about privacy, I tend to be a little bit more like, I'll take the tradeoff.

00:50:33 ◼   ► But when it comes to like things measuring stuff about the health of my body, I want to feel like

00:50:41 ◼   ► I can intrinsically trust that company. So I feel like I want Apple to make more products like this,

00:50:48 ◼   ► even if stuff already exists out there in the world. I don't want to get like a blood pressure

00:50:54 ◼   ► device from whatever company that keeps getting bought and sold by Finnish phone makers, right?

00:51:01 ◼   ► Like, you know, like, that's the kind of stuff where I really want to feel like I can trust the

00:51:05 ◼   ► company that that is selling to me. That's is that wild? What I just said? No, I'm right there with

00:51:12 ◼   ► you. I think there's a big market for Apple to do this. I think the privacy stuff alone that Apple

00:51:17 ◼   ► is so good at and talk about so often would put them in a good position in the market. Not only

00:51:22 ◼   ► are they stable and not being bought and sold by Nokia every 10 minutes, but

00:51:26 ◼   ► the fact that people could trust the devices to keep everything on their phone, it would all sink

00:51:31 ◼   ► into health kit so you could have all your data with you all the time. That's what's so great

00:51:35 ◼   ► about the Apple Watch is you have this rolling history and if you have one with an ECG or with

00:51:41 ◼   ► the blood oxygen sensor all that data is in there as well. I think it makes a ton of sense for them

00:51:47 ◼   ► to move into this and and honestly I wish they would I wish they would make you know cool exercise bikes and stuff and

00:51:53 ◼   ► Flesh out this ecosystem and I think fitness plus could be the road to that right?

00:52:01 ◼   ► It's not it's not that ever from Peloton

00:52:03 ◼   ► They started with biking and over the years they've added other things

00:52:06 ◼   ► You could start with the fitness classes and build out hardware and other things around it

00:52:10 ◼   ► and so I think it's totally in there in their wheelhouse and

00:52:14 ◼   ► Tim Cook is big on talking about Apple's

00:52:17 ◼   ► Impact in their users lives when it comes to health and fitness and so it's it's even on brand from that perspective

00:52:25 ◼   ► It's another realm of consumer technology, right?

00:52:29 ◼   ► That's that's logical to get into and to continue pushing into because they sit they have seen

00:52:34 ◼   ► great success with the Apple watch and

00:52:37 ◼   ► I think a big part of that is all of the health stuff. I think that's what people care about

00:52:42 ◼   ► I'm with you. I want to wear other watches, but I'm doing

00:52:45 ◼   ► Physical therapy right now

00:52:47 ◼   ► and so when I do that I take my watch off and put my Apple watch on to track that workout because I want that

00:52:52 ◼   ► data and

00:52:53 ◼   ► I wish I didn't have to

00:52:55 ◼   ► switch back and forth

00:52:57 ◼   ► mm-hmm well, let's get into

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00:54:58 ◼   ► and Relay FM. Apple released the beta 1 of iOS 14.5.

00:55:04 ◼   ► Did 14.4 just come out? Was it 14.3?

00:55:08 ◼   ► 0.4 came out.

00:55:09 ◼   ► It was 0.4 that just came out. I'm getting lost in all the numbers. There's been so many

00:55:14 ◼   ► numbers. Which actually leads me to a question I wanted to ask you Federico. Is a 0.5 release

00:55:20 ◼   ► unprecedented?

00:55:21 ◼   ► In February, I think so. Usually this is like March, April. Like 0.5. Yeah.

00:55:32 ◼   ► release brought the trackpad support. Point 3 and it was in the spring. Yeah. So, at least

00:55:40 ◼   ► in recent times. No, no, 13.4. Okay. Yeah, in the spring. Yeah, they didn't even start

00:55:46 ◼   ► getting to point fives until the last couple of years. Point 3 was as high as they went

00:55:53 ◼   ► for quite a while. Yeah, and there's some of them that I believe, maybe iOS 13 had version

00:56:01 ◼   ► 0.6 and 0.7 but they were released like later in the year. So yeah I think it is

00:56:07 ◼   ► this timeline is a little accelerated at this point. I mean a 0.5 at this time of

00:56:12 ◼   ► year. So there's a bunch of stuff going on. I'll run through them and we

00:56:18 ◼   ► can stop and talk about them if there's anything that we want to expand on. They

00:56:23 ◼   ► finally put the Apple logo and landscape on the iPad boot up screen.

00:56:29 ◼   ► Maybe it's one of those things that they've been meaning to check them off their list forever,

00:56:35 ◼   ► and they finally had the time.

00:56:37 ◼   ► But what's the significance of the horizontal Apple logo,

00:56:42 ◼   ► besides being a nice thing?

00:56:45 ◼   ► Well, I think it's been pretty obvious for a long time that the iPad is mostly used horizontal, right?

00:56:53 ◼   ► Because Apple continues to make all these cases that put it in horizontal.

00:56:57 ◼   ► And it's just one of those things where it's like, why is it taking you so long?

00:57:01 ◼   ► And why have you done it now?

00:57:03 ◼   ► I assume a lot of the time it means nothing, right?

00:57:05 ◼   ► It's just that they just got round to it.

00:57:07 ◼   ► But I think it's also fun, like how we look at the invites to Apple events and try and

00:57:11 ◼   ► work out what they mean to look at random esoteric changes in iOS and work out what

00:57:18 ◼   ► they mean.

00:57:19 ◼   ► So this is one of those things.

00:57:22 ◼   ► Something that's probably more useful to people is emoji search on the iPad virtual keyboard

00:57:26 ◼   ► Federico, can you explain to me how this is different?

00:57:31 ◼   ► Or what's going on here that's maybe not in other places?

00:57:35 ◼   ► So what's going on is that emoji search

00:57:37 ◼   ► was added to the iPhone's keyboard in iOS 14.

00:57:42 ◼   ► And it was one of the big features for regular people.

00:57:45 ◼   ► Like, oh, you can finally search for emoji.

00:57:48 ◼   ► And what was weird about it is that iPad OS received

00:57:53 ◼   ► the same emoji sort of a makeover with a new emoji pop-up in iPadOS 14.

00:58:01 ◼   ► However, there was no search field, so they redid it, inspired by based on the iPhone design,

00:58:08 ◼   ► but the key feature of it, the reason why a lot of people were excited about this emoji update,

00:58:13 ◼   ► they did not ship it on the iPad. And it was weird because it's not like we're talking about,

00:58:19 ◼   ► say, the home screen and having home screen widgets, which are missing on iPad, and you

00:58:24 ◼   ► can make the argument for, well, that's a big complex thing and the iPad home screen

00:58:29 ◼   ► is different, right, so maybe they need more work, they need more time, we don't like it

00:58:33 ◼   ► but we understand. It was like a literal search box in an emoji popup and it was missing and

00:58:41 ◼   ► it kept, you know, not being available until the iPad OS 14.5. So I don't know, I struggle

00:58:50 ◼   ► to imagine the complexity of adding an emoji search field to the iPad once you've done

00:58:57 ◼   ► the work on iPhone. It's like what, you forgot to add it? But I don't get it. Still, nice

00:59:03 ◼   ► that it's finally available, I guess.

00:59:05 ◼   ► When you install these new betas, do you still try and add widgets to the home screen?

00:59:09 ◼   ► the iPad. I don't have the beta on my iPad. Oh, okay. Do you not? You put it on your iPhone?

00:59:14 ◼   ► Every time a new beta version of iOS 14 comes out, I see the tweets of people saying, "No,

00:59:19 ◼   ► still no widgets." Look, I don't think it's happening in the iPad OS 14 cycle at all.

00:59:25 ◼   ► No, it's probably 15 now. If they're doing it... But I said this last year, in June we

00:59:30 ◼   ► had the same conversation, like, if they're doing it, they're not gonna just flip a switch

00:59:34 ◼   ► and say, "Oh, we enabled it on iPad." No. Because when they do it, you know that it'll come

00:59:40 ◼   ► with other changes to the home screen and new widget sizes for the iPad. I think that's

00:59:46 ◼   ► the reasonable way to go about it. Having more layout options and having more size options

00:59:52 ◼   ► for widgets in iPadOS. So I think I would stop waiting for the magical beta of iPadOS

01:00:00 ◼   ► that adds widgets to the home screen, it's not going to happen until iPadOS 15.

01:00:05 ◼   ► Hopefully it's going to happen in 15.

01:00:07 ◼   ► There's indications that Apple Card will be available for a joint account,

01:00:12 ◼   ► which is not a thing that's been available before.

01:00:15 ◼   ► I'm still surprised that Apple Card has not made its way outside of America.

01:00:20 ◼   ► That is a surprise to me that they haven't started doing the Apple Card in other countries.

01:00:26 ◼   ► Fitness Plus gains AirPlay support.

01:00:30 ◼   ► So if you have a television that has AirPlay on it,

01:00:34 ◼   ► you can AirPlay from an iPhone or an iPad

01:00:39 ◼   ► with your Fitness Plus workouts.

01:00:41 ◼   ► But when you're using AirPlay,

01:00:43 ◼   ► your heart rate and fitness ring and other metric stuff

01:00:46 ◼   ► is not shown on the Apple TV.

01:00:47 ◼   ► You have to look at those on your Apple Watch.

01:00:49 ◼   ► Don't know why.

01:00:51 ◼   ► I guess those things are an overlay in a Fitness Plus app

01:00:55 ◼   ► and it's not the videos.

01:00:56 ◼   ► I guess. That's what's going on there.

01:00:59 ◼   ► Support for the new games console controllers,

01:01:02 ◼   ► the PlayStation 5 and Xbox controllers are supported now too, which is cool.

01:01:09 ◼   ► They've redesigned the search pages and the podcast app.

01:01:12 ◼   ► Type to Siri has been changed. What's going on with Type to Siri?

01:01:16 ◼   ► So Type to Siri is now using the same compact UI

01:01:19 ◼   ► that we've seen in other places in iOS 14.

01:01:22 ◼   ► Previously, when you enable Type to Siri,

01:01:24 ◼   ► which is an accessibility feature,

01:01:26 ◼   ► It took over the entire screen, sort of blurring the background.

01:01:29 ◼   ► And it was really unchanged from iOS 13.

01:01:33 ◼   ► But now they have updated it so that it's now

01:01:36 ◼   ► like this compact bubble that appears

01:01:40 ◼   ► at the top of the Siri indicator.

01:01:42 ◼   ► And so it's just this small floating text field.

01:01:46 ◼   ► And you can type in it, and it doesn't hide the background.

01:01:49 ◼   ► It doesn't blur the background.

01:01:50 ◼   ► So you see what's underneath, whether it's

01:01:52 ◼   ► the home screen or an application that you're using.

01:01:55 ◼   ► And it's just another instance of Apple redesigning something that was full screen and taking

01:02:00 ◼   ► over the context of what you were doing and making it smaller, making it compact, using

01:02:05 ◼   ► these floating elements that they have used in a bunch of places in iOS 14.

01:02:10 ◼   ► There's better support for 5G, you can now have dual SIM support.

01:02:14 ◼   ► If you used 5G you couldn't have a dual SIM.

01:02:17 ◼   ► Apparently they've made some stuff for T-Mobile too, which makes it better for 5G.

01:02:22 ◼   ► App tracking transparency is one of the big things in 14.5.

01:02:27 ◼   ► It's not being added, but this represents the deadline.

01:02:31 ◼   ► So app tracking transparency is this thing where developers need to get permission from

01:02:36 ◼   ► users to access their random advertising identifier to be able to track them around the web and

01:02:40 ◼   ► in other apps.

01:02:41 ◼   ► You've probably heard of this in relation to Facebook.

01:02:45 ◼   ► There's Apple and Facebook are in a bit of a shouting match over this at the moment.

01:02:49 ◼   ► I think this is going to be really interesting to watch how it's going to be rolled out.

01:02:54 ◼   ► In theory every application that has any advertising in it which is powered by some kind of tracking,

01:02:59 ◼   ► which is probably most of them I suppose, every app is going to have to say to you "hey,

01:03:06 ◼   ► can I track you?" and then you say "yeah" or "please don't".

01:03:10 ◼   ► I wonder what it's going to be like.

01:03:11 ◼   ► The only thing that I can kind of remember is, do you remember when they changed, was

01:03:16 ◼   ► Was it Bluetooth?

01:03:17 ◼   ► In every application for a while was it asking you about your Bluetooth location thing?

01:03:24 ◼   ► And it was really annoying.

01:03:25 ◼   ► And I wonder if it's going to be like that.

01:03:28 ◼   ► I'm also just intrigued to see how it ends up unfolding anyway because there's a lot

01:03:33 ◼   ► of money and companies at play here and everyone's making increasingly aggressive attacks at

01:03:41 ◼   ► each other.

01:03:42 ◼   ► Mostly it's just Apple and Facebook right now, but I don't know if it's going to stay

01:03:47 ◼   ► that way.

01:03:48 ◼   ► I'm intrigued to see how this one's going to play out.

01:03:51 ◼   ► Reminder sorting.

01:03:52 ◼   ► What's going on there Steven?

01:03:53 ◼   ► I have so many things to say about this.

01:03:56 ◼   ► I am a connoisseur of task managers.

01:04:00 ◼   ► I think everybody knows that.

01:04:02 ◼   ► You're saying that to yourself.

01:04:04 ◼   ► That is literally a compliment you're paying to yourself.

01:04:06 ◼   ► Look, I'm a man of the people, but right under that is a connoisseur of task managers.

01:04:11 ◼   ► I don't know if...

01:04:12 ◼   ► Okay, so two compliments.

01:04:13 ◼   ► I don't think man of the people and connoisseur go together.

01:04:19 ◼   ► Well, man of the fancy people.

01:04:22 ◼   ► I'm a man of the people unless it comes to task managers where I'm definitely better

01:04:28 ◼   ► than you.

01:04:31 ◼   ► That's too long for the gravestone.

01:04:32 ◼   ► You're a man of the people with many asterisks at the end of that sentence.

01:04:36 ◼   ► Okay.

01:04:37 ◼   ► Wait, did you just say you wanted that on your gravestone?

01:04:39 ◼   ► I'm saying what you said would be too long for a gravestone.

01:04:41 ◼   ► Steven Hackett. Steven Michael Hackett. Mm-hmm. Man of the people, connoisseur of task managers.

01:04:49 ◼   ► Wait, your middle name is Michael? Yes. So Myke, is your middle name Steven?

01:04:54 ◼   ► No. Wouldn't that be great though? I feel like I should change my name. Twins!

01:05:01 ◼   ► Oh, Michael Steve... Steven Michael Hackett and Michael Steven Hurley.

01:05:07 ◼   ► That's what the M stands for in ISMH. It's Michael.

01:05:11 ◼   ► What do you think the M stood for?

01:05:13 ◼   ► I thought it was Mark.

01:05:14 ◼   ► No, that's my brother's name.

01:05:16 ◼   ► Wow.

01:05:17 ◼   ► Kind of.

01:05:18 ◼   ► Kind of.

01:05:19 ◼   ► The Hackett family naming is a trip.

01:05:22 ◼   ► What were we talking about?

01:05:23 ◼   ► Your gravestone.

01:05:24 ◼   ► So in the Reminders app, which got a redesign, what Federico, in iOS 13? 12?

01:05:35 ◼   ► When did they redo it?

01:05:36 ◼   ► It was 13.

01:05:37 ◼   ► It was last, uh, two years ago I wrote about it.

01:05:43 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:05:44 ◼   ► Reminders got this big overhaul, much better, but you cannot sort things in a list in any

01:05:52 ◼   ► automatic way.

01:05:53 ◼   ► And so they just, you add a new task to a list and they'd show up at the bottom.

01:05:58 ◼   ► And a lot of applications have options to sort by due date or alphabetically or by when

01:06:05 ◼   ► it was added, you know, various apps have various options.

01:06:08 ◼   ► Things like to do is will automatically keep those lists sorted.

01:06:11 ◼   ► So if you add a new item, it automatically goes into the right place.

01:06:14 ◼   ► Something like OmniFocus, you have to resort the list every time.

01:06:17 ◼   ► Anyways, reminders and I have this, which really bugged me because I really like sorting

01:06:24 ◼   ► in my, in my list like send them sorted by due date.

01:06:28 ◼   ► So this this comes out in the 14.5 beta.

01:06:31 ◼   ► It's also very curiously in Big Sur 11.2 which is public.

01:06:37 ◼   ► And in 11.3 beta they added printing but 11.2 adds the sorting.

01:06:43 ◼   ► And you can…

01:06:44 ◼   ► Who needs printing?

01:06:45 ◼   ► I guess printing's a thing.

01:06:47 ◼   ► Print your task list.

01:06:48 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:06:49 ◼   ► Well, you want to go to the supermarket and you want to have a little piece of paper.

01:06:53 ◼   ► You print out your reminders.

01:06:55 ◼   ► As soon as I said it I realized the many, many reasons that you might want it.

01:06:59 ◼   ► But then I second-guess myself of like, if it's so important, why is it taken two and

01:07:05 ◼   ► a half years to add it?

01:07:07 ◼   ► I think if anyone really needed it, they're not using reminders.

01:07:11 ◼   ► You know, being this feature designed arguably for old people, they probably mailed their

01:07:16 ◼   ► feature request to Apple and it took a while for the letters to arrive.

01:07:19 ◼   ► Hey, I didn't mail it.

01:07:21 ◼   ► I faxed it.

01:07:22 ◼   ► See?

01:07:23 ◼   ► Come on.

01:07:24 ◼   ► I faxed it directly to Craig Federge's desk.

01:07:27 ◼   ► So the sorting works, you can, it's on a per list basis, and you basically go into the

01:07:32 ◼   ► list options and say sort by due date or whatever.

01:07:37 ◼   ► It's still not exactly what I would want.

01:07:39 ◼   ► It does this thing where tasks with no due date show up above tasks with dates.

01:07:51 ◼   ► So in a list where you--

01:07:52 ◼   ► It's done that to me again.

01:07:53 ◼   ► So say you have a list with two items with no due dates.

01:07:56 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:07:57 ◼   ► up at the top of the list above things that are overdue and due today and due

01:08:01 ◼   ► tomorrow. Yeah that doesn't make sense. As opposed to being at the bottom which is

01:08:04 ◼   ► where they should go. They show up at the top? Yeah. Why? I don't know it's really

01:08:10 ◼   ► weird no other to-do app. And you're sorting by due date? Yes. And they show up

01:08:14 ◼   ► at the top? Yes. They just show up at the bottom. It's like we live in Australia. Why do they show up at the top? I don't know. They just show up at the bottom.

01:08:22 ◼   ► I will not accept this. Why did they show up at the top?

01:08:27 ◼   ► Do they always show at the top whether you're ascending or descending on date?

01:08:32 ◼   ► Right.

01:08:33 ◼   ► Let's see.

01:08:34 ◼   ► Are you ascending, Steven?

01:08:35 ◼   ► Well, no, there's no ascending or descending controls. It's just manual, due date, priority,

01:08:40 ◼   ► creation, data, title.

01:08:41 ◼   ► No, hold on. Hold on. What if you tap this selected option again?

01:08:46 ◼   ► I'm on my Mac. Let me get my phone.

01:08:49 ◼   ► Does it toggle? Because sometimes they have these silly controls where it doesn't say

01:08:52 ◼   ► ascending or descending, but if you tap it again, it switches the order.

01:08:56 ◼   ► Let's see.

01:08:57 ◼   ► Could it be?

01:08:59 ◼   ► Sort by due date.

01:09:01 ◼   ► Okay, tap it again.

01:09:03 ◼   ► Oh my gosh. On the Mac they show up at the top, on iOS they show up at the bottom.

01:09:08 ◼   ► But does the ascend... oh, we need to come back to that in a second. Does the ascending/descending

01:09:12 ◼   ► thing...

01:09:13 ◼   ► On iOS you have the option of earliest first or latest first, which is

01:09:18 ◼   ► effectively ascending or descending.

01:09:21 ◼   ► Yeah, no, that is what it is, but they don't name things.

01:09:24 ◼   ► It's like, it's like, what is it? Outdent left and outdent right?

01:09:28 ◼   ► Out, outdent left!

01:09:30 ◼   ► [Laughter]

01:09:33 ◼   ► No, I'm not, this is not a criticism. I think I said this at the time.

01:09:37 ◼   ► Outdent left and outdent right, I know why, or it's indent left and indent right, whatever one it is.

01:09:43 ◼   ► I know why you would do it, right? And it's the same way while I know why you would do

01:09:47 ◼   ► earliest first and latest first rather than ascending and descending.

01:09:51 ◼   ► It's not how languages work.

01:09:52 ◼   ► I know, but they are easier to understand. Earliest first and latest first is easier to

01:09:56 ◼   ► understand than ascending and descending, because typically ascending and descending

01:10:01 ◼   ► is like USB for me. I always have to press it three times to get the one that I want.

01:10:06 ◼   ► I think I want one, and then I change it, and then realize it wasn't the one that I

01:10:10 ◼   ► it and then go back to the original one. Because, in my mind, I can never remember which one's

01:10:15 ◼   ► going to be first if I'm ascending and descending. But anyway, so I know why they do all this.

01:10:19 ◼   ► No, but outdent left and outdent right, it's as silly as saying, "You know how there's

01:10:24 ◼   ► left and right?" Well, what if you said, "There's left and there's the other left." No, it's

01:10:29 ◼   ► not called the other left, it's called right! It's left and left times two. Inverse left.

01:10:36 ◼   ► It's not how it works.

01:10:37 ◼   ► You can't just make up words like that.

01:10:41 ◼   ► Oh, okay.

01:10:42 ◼   ► - So on iOS, no due date shows up at the top

01:10:47 ◼   ► when you sort by date.

01:10:48 ◼   ► And it's on the iOS, it's at the bottom where it should be.

01:10:52 ◼   ► So the two apps don't even act the same way in the sorting.

01:10:54 ◼   ► - Well, could it be that on the Mac it's not done yet

01:10:59 ◼   ► 'cause it's in an earlier version?

01:11:00 ◼   ► - It may be, it may be.

01:11:02 ◼   ► I'm not running 11.3 on any of my Macs.

01:11:05 ◼   ► So maybe in 11.3 they act the same, but...

01:11:07 ◼   ► Because on the iPhone it's acting as we would want it to, right?

01:11:10 ◼   ► Yes.

01:11:11 ◼   ► With new stuff showing at the bottom and on the Mac they're showing at the top.

01:11:14 ◼   ► Okay.

01:11:15 ◼   ► The thing that really kills me though is that the badging for all day tasks is totally not

01:11:25 ◼   ► what most of these apps do.

01:11:27 ◼   ► And so in Reminders you have an option to say, "Hey, remind me to call Federico at 3

01:11:34 ◼   ► And at 3pm, I'll get an alert and I'll get a one on the reminders badge because I have that one task now do

01:11:41 ◼   ► All day tasks a task without a time, but just a date like call Federico

01:11:47 ◼   ► Sometime on Wednesday doesn't matter when I call him. I don't have a time associated with it. Just call Federico on Wednesday in

01:11:53 ◼   ► Reminders on iOS and Mac OS there's a setting that I'm gonna get you the exact phrasing it is

01:12:03 ◼   ► Today notification set a time to show notification when there are all-day reminders with no specific time

01:12:11 ◼   ► So I could say hey I want at 830 a.m.

01:12:15 ◼   ► For my Mac to remind me of all the tasks I have today

01:12:19 ◼   ► That don't have a specific time associated with calendars stuff, right? Yeah can get a

01:12:26 ◼   ► Notification for all day events at a certain time, right? Yes. It's exactly the same idea

01:12:32 ◼   ► Yeah in every other app when a task is due today it becomes a number on the badge

01:12:39 ◼   ► Yeah, it just badges it. Yeah reminders doesn't do this

01:12:43 ◼   ► I think it used to I'm not positive it used to but at least it doesn't now in this newest version

01:12:49 ◼   ► Even if you have all day reminders set so I could see a world

01:12:54 ◼   ► Where the badge has nothing on it

01:12:57 ◼   ► and then when it hits 830, the time I told it, all five of my all-day tasks

01:13:03 ◼   ► become a five on the badge, right? I have five things due today. No, the badge

01:13:08 ◼   ► shouldn't follow the alert time. Well, it should follow something, and so there is...

01:13:13 ◼   ► Well, if something is, like, at least the way I see it, if something is due today,

01:13:18 ◼   ► it badges, and then the alert time is something else. Yes, that is how it

01:13:24 ◼   ► should work. There is no way for an all-day task to badge in reminders until it's overdue

01:13:34 ◼   ► the next day. This feels like the perfect thing to write feedback about in all honesty. I know

01:13:39 ◼   ► we make fun of this but this really feels like something you need to... I have filed feedback.

01:13:45 ◼   ► Cool. No, that's on iOS too? Yes, iOS and the Mac. Weirdly, the today notifications setting

01:13:54 ◼   ► doesn't sync so I could have my phone tell me at 10am about my all day reminders.

01:13:59 ◼   ► But I want the badge to show me what's due today.

01:14:03 ◼   ► How almost every other app I've ever tried, and I've tried basically all of them, there

01:14:08 ◼   ► are options.

01:14:09 ◼   ► No badge, a badge for overdue items, or a badge for overdue plus today.

01:14:16 ◼   ► My assumption is that the reminders team, and I know they work hard on this and I'm

01:14:20 ◼   ► I'm sure they're great people, but like they don't,

01:14:23 ◼   ► they're so afraid, Apple is so afraid

01:14:25 ◼   ► in its first party apps to add complication like this.

01:14:30 ◼   ► Like if it behaved this way

01:14:32 ◼   ► where things sorted the right way

01:14:34 ◼   ► and they were consistent on both platforms

01:14:36 ◼   ► and it would badge overdue plus today,

01:14:40 ◼   ► I could get by on reminders really easily.

01:14:42 ◼   ► And then I could take advantage

01:14:43 ◼   ► of all the cool stuff reminders can do in the system.

01:14:46 ◼   ► But I can't because I really rely on that badge

01:14:50 ◼   ► to tell me what's left in my day.

01:14:52 ◼   ► I know not everyone works that way,

01:14:53 ◼   ► it's the way that I work.

01:14:55 ◼   ► It's just, I find it frustrating.

01:14:57 ◼   ► - The app only badges when there is a timed thing

01:15:02 ◼   ► that has passed.

01:15:03 ◼   ► - Yes, whether that be an all day thing

01:15:07 ◼   ► in previous days, or there was a time

01:15:10 ◼   ► and the time has now passed.

01:15:12 ◼   ► There's no badging for things that are just due today,

01:15:15 ◼   ► but haven't passed by yet.

01:15:18 ◼   ► So an all day event, does that set a badge?

01:15:21 ◼   ► Like if you have the triggering to remind you?

01:15:24 ◼   ► - No, it does not.

01:15:26 ◼   ► An all day task only becomes a badge

01:15:28 ◼   ► when it's overdue by a day.

01:15:31 ◼   ► - Oh, what?

01:15:32 ◼   ► - Yeah, that's what I'm saying, that's the problem.

01:15:34 ◼   ► - That's even weirder.

01:15:36 ◼   ► Why does it badge at all?

01:15:38 ◼   ► - All the badges are things that are overdue.

01:15:40 ◼   ► So say in my example, call Federico at 3 p.m.

01:15:44 ◼   ► At 3.01 it becomes a badge.

01:15:46 ◼   ► - This is very confusing.

01:15:47 ◼   ► I have say call Federico and there's no time it won't badge until the next day

01:15:52 ◼   ► So if I don't call Federico on Wednesday, it becomes a badge on Thursday

01:15:56 ◼   ► Why does it have the ability to do it at all?

01:15:59 ◼   ► But only when the day has passed because it then it's considered quote overdue

01:16:04 ◼   ► But why do they care about overdue items so much? I don't know

01:16:08 ◼   ► They make you feel bad too like this insistence on something being overdue. Yeah, it's unhealthy

01:16:16 ◼   ► That's really... that's what... that's what...

01:16:19 ◼   ► But the main problem is, if it's an all-day task, it is still due today. Like, the all-day,

01:16:27 ◼   ► it means the day is today. So it should badge regardless.

01:16:32 ◼   ► But they only care if you don't do it on that day. Like, now it's important.

01:16:37 ◼   ► Like so, it's all day, but you only want to make me feel bad the following day?

01:16:43 ◼   ► If I missed it, yeah.

01:16:45 ◼   ► Why?

01:16:46 ◼   ► get some people don't want badges or they only want to be told about

01:16:49 ◼   ► overdue things, then set the option that all these other apps have. Badge equals

01:16:54 ◼   ► nothing. Badge equals overdue. Badge equals overdue plus today. That's

01:16:59 ◼   ► how you fix this. You let people who designed this live the way they

01:17:05 ◼   ► want to, and you let people like me who would like to use it live the way I want

01:17:09 ◼   ► to. Yeah, these are the types of applications that if you want to get, if

01:17:15 ◼   ► If you want to add more features to them, which they clearly do,

01:17:17 ◼   ► because they could have just left it how it was,

01:17:19 ◼   ► basically just a checklist app.

01:17:23 ◼   ► They've clearly wanted to get more complicated,

01:17:25 ◼   ► because they're adding more complicated features.

01:17:28 ◼   ► You have to start getting into the mindset of setting

01:17:30 ◼   ► sensible defaults and then allowing for customization.

01:17:34 ◼   ► It really is the only way to do applications like this.

01:17:37 ◼   ► Calendars-- and the Calendar app has quite a lot of customization

01:17:43 ◼   ► you can do for it.

01:17:43 ◼   ► as much as others but enough. But Canada applications to do applications, even notes applications

01:17:50 ◼   ► to a point, like anything where people are supposed to be using them for work, which

01:17:54 ◼   ► is the intention here, you've got to start putting in additional functionality with settings.

01:18:00 ◼   ► Like you just got to give into it at some point.

01:18:04 ◼   ► Yeah, no, I have provided feedback over the years on this because I think it'd be awesome

01:18:11 ◼   ► to be able to use all the reminders can do so much like remind me when I'm texting somebody

01:18:15 ◼   ► about this thing. That'd be really useful to me. The badging is just like a fundamental

01:18:20 ◼   ► way of the way that I work.

01:18:21 ◼   ► I think it'd be more awesome if they just opened those features up to any app.

01:18:26 ◼   ► Yeah, sure.

01:18:27 ◼   ► Personally.

01:18:28 ◼   ► Oh, I agree. But short of that

01:18:30 ◼   ► In OmniFocus. No, I don't want to say that every time. Don't I don't want to say that

01:18:36 ◼   ► every time.

01:18:37 ◼   ► That's reminder sorting. We've held the best for last. Federico, tell us about Face ID

01:18:43 ◼   ► in the Apple Watch.

01:18:44 ◼   ► Yeah, so you can now, in iOS 14.5, you can unlock your phone even if you're wearing a

01:18:52 ◼   ► mask by wearing an Apple Watch running watchOS 7.3. So as long as the watch is unlocked and

01:18:59 ◼   ► nearby, meaning on your wrist, Face ID will not fail. When it detects that you're wearing

01:19:04 ◼   ► a mask, you will see a message saying "Unlocking with Apple Watch". It takes about a second,

01:19:09 ◼   ► and you will get a haptic feedback on the watch, and your phone will unlock. And your

01:19:13 ◼   ► watch will say "iPhone unlocked with Apple Watch" or something like that. And it works

01:19:21 ◼   ► really well. It's fast. Once you install all the updates, it just works. And I'm really

01:19:28 ◼   ► impressed by it.

01:19:29 ◼   ► Now question right off the top. It still knows it's you though, right or it wouldn't do this like if

01:19:36 ◼   ► Sylvia tried to open your phone wearing a mask your watch is not gonna unlock it for her. Is it like the phone still?

01:19:44 ◼   ► Thinks it's you it still has to get a partial match which which it can do but based on everything else except

01:19:52 ◼   ► What is covered by the mask? Does that make sense? Yeah, like it's still checking that it's that it's Federico

01:19:59 ◼   ► Are we positive that it does that?

01:20:02 ◼   ► Well, that's my assumption. I assume it has to, right? Because otherwise, that would be really...

01:20:10 ◼   ► I don't know, I just feel like that would be really weird. I feel like it must know.

01:20:14 ◼   ► Because your phone knows it's you, even to a point. Which is how this works for me,

01:20:21 ◼   ► where if I wear this one very specific type of mask that I wear a lot, I do have my phone on lock.

01:20:28 ◼   ► Like I've said this on the show before, there's this one type of black mask that I wear the most.

01:20:33 ◼   ► And if I'm wearing that mask and it's well, I'm in a well-lit area, my phone will unlock for me because it's trained on that.

01:20:40 ◼   ► So my assumption is that it's looking at everything else about your face and it's confirming that that feels like it's you.

01:20:50 ◼   ► Then checking that your watch is unlocked and in proximity and then unlocking.

01:20:57 ◼   ► But I'm not sure if you can check for a partial match.

01:21:00 ◼   ► I would love to know how it actually works.

01:21:03 ◼   ► - I assume it has to be doing that,

01:21:06 ◼   ► otherwise they wouldn't add this feature.

01:21:08 ◼   ► - That would be my assumption as well.

01:21:11 ◼   ► I've seen some tweets from people saying,

01:21:13 ◼   ► "Oh, so now anybody can grab my phone

01:21:16 ◼   ► and like unlock it with their face,

01:21:19 ◼   ► even if my Apple Watch is nearby."

01:21:21 ◼   ► - Yeah, I don't think that's what's going on here.

01:21:24 ◼   ► - But I mean, at that point you have bigger problems, right?

01:21:26 ◼   ► If someone is forcibly taking your phone and holding you by the wrist, you know,

01:21:31 ◼   ► you have a bigger problem, right? But I still want to know.

01:21:34 ◼   ► They need to hold you by the wrist though. They could just like,

01:21:36 ◼   ► if you're in the same room.

01:21:37 ◼   ► Or it could be right. Or it could be, you know, like in the same,

01:21:41 ◼   ► I want to know more about the distance. Like what does nearby mean?

01:21:46 ◼   ► Does it mean like 30 centimeters or does it mean like two meters away?

01:21:49 ◼   ► Like that's a difference if you're in the same room. And also like,

01:21:53 ◼   ► does it do any actual partial checking? I don't know.

01:21:56 ◼   ► I don't know. But for what I've done so far, like for what I've used so far, it

01:22:00 ◼   ► works pretty well. And it's like I'm convinced that like a lot of people will

01:22:04 ◼   ► upgrade right away just because of this feature.

01:22:07 ◼   ► So MacRumors says the iPhone will unlock after a partial face scan.

01:22:13 ◼   ► The feature says that.

01:22:15 ◼   ► I don't know how they know that, but that's what it's saying it will do.

01:22:21 ◼   ► And I expect that that is what is happening, that your phone is getting at least some data

01:22:28 ◼   ► about you who can't complete the scan.

01:22:30 ◼   ► Because we know that Face ID has the capability to recognize partial face scans because you

01:22:39 ◼   ► train the system.

01:22:41 ◼   ► So that's the thing that we know that it can do, that if it thinks that it's got you but

01:22:46 ◼   ► it's not sure, you put your pin in and then the system learns.

01:22:50 ◼   ► So the system has the ability to say, "I think this is Federico, but I'm not sure."

01:22:56 ◼   ► So I expect that is what's happening.

01:22:58 ◼   ► It's like...

01:22:59 ◼   ► That would be...

01:23:01 ◼   ► That makes sense to me.

01:23:04 ◼   ► Because otherwise, I feel like it wouldn't be worth doing.

01:23:08 ◼   ► Because we've gotten this far, right?

01:23:11 ◼   ► We're a year into the pandemic now.

01:23:14 ◼   ► If this feature was removing that level of security, I honestly feel like it wouldn't

01:23:19 ◼   ► be worth enabling at this point. But as of right now, we do not have an answer for you,

01:23:25 ◼   ► except that's what we think is going on. I mean, it's not going to make me wear an Apple

01:23:30 ◼   ► Watch, because I've gotten by. I've definitely gotten by at this point, so it's not going

01:23:37 ◼   ► to turn me around. But if you are already an Apple Watch owner, then awesome.

01:23:42 ◼   ► I think that's it. I think we're done. If you want to learn more about the stories we

01:23:49 ◼   ► talked about. We have a bunch of links over on our website at relay.fm/connected/331.

01:23:57 ◼   ► While you're there you can get in touch via email with feedback or follow up or you can

01:24:01 ◼   ► become a member and you'll get connected pro which is an ad free longer version of the

01:24:08 ◼   ► show each and every week. Each and every week. I do have some some real time follow up. It

01:24:15 ◼   ► It seems like the 11.3 beta fixes the sorting issue and reminders.

01:24:21 ◼   ► On the Mac?

01:24:22 ◼   ► On the Mac.

01:24:23 ◼   ► Right.

01:24:24 ◼   ► So, forget what I said about sorting to the top and bottom with things that, not the date.

01:24:29 ◼   ► So that seems to be taken care of in the Mac beta.

01:24:33 ◼   ► Okay.

01:24:34 ◼   ► Where was I?

01:24:35 ◼   ► I talked about links, how you can become a member, get connected pro, which is really

01:24:38 ◼   ► cool.

01:24:39 ◼   ► You can find us all online as well.

01:24:41 ◼   ► You can find Myke online, he is @imyke on Twitter, and Myke hosts a bunch of shows here

01:24:48 ◼   ► on Relay FM.

01:24:50 ◼   ► Myke, anything you want to share this week?

01:24:54 ◼   ► Last week you said you love everybody, so that was nice.

01:24:59 ◼   ► Now I'm unsure about everybody.

01:25:01 ◼   ► Times have changed.

01:25:02 ◼   ► Suspicious?

01:25:03 ◼   ► Mm-hmm.

01:25:04 ◼   ► I'm suspicious.

01:25:05 ◼   ► I just have one eye on everyone.

01:25:07 ◼   ► You can find Federico on Twitter as @vittici. He's the editor-in-chief of MacStories.net.

01:25:15 ◼   ► Federico, what TV series do you enjoy watching and re-watching?

01:25:21 ◼   ► Ah, easy. I know what this answer is.

01:25:25 ◼   ► The O.C. Yeah. That's what I had in mind.

01:25:30 ◼   ► It's a combination of nostalgia, absolutely fantastic soundtrack, lots of good memories

01:25:35 ◼   ► associated with the show, bands that I've got to know and actually met in person that

01:25:44 ◼   ► I discovered by watching the OC, plus the whole thing of like high school memories and

01:25:49 ◼   ► yeah, absolutely, like I've watched it I don't know how many times.

01:25:54 ◼   ► You can find my writing at 512pixels.net and I'm on Twitter and Twitch as ismh.

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01:26:07 ◼   ► Until next week, gentlemen, say goodbye.

01:26:09 ◼   ► Arrivederci.

01:26:10 ◼   ► Cheerio.