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0:00:08Hello and welcome to Connected, episode 328.

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0:00:18My name is Stephen Hackett and I am joined by Mr. Federico Faticci.

0:00:21Hello, hi, how are you?

0:00:23I'm good, how are you?

0:00:24I'm good, very good.

0:00:26it's good let's see if we can keep the streak alive Myke Hurley's here Myke how

0:00:29are you oh yeah hi I'm good hey you good oh yeah three three mm-hmm all right

0:00:39what is the streak that I was good and Federico was good then you were gonna

0:00:44oh right I wasn't sure if it was like that we're all here or that you got it

0:00:50in the right order I wasn't sure it's also the streak and yeah having an

0:00:55awkward opening to the show. John texted us, "thank God you got the episode

0:01:00number right." You know John, I appreciate your encouragement. That's how I'm

0:01:04gonna read that. We got a bunch of follow-up. We should just dive into this.

0:01:08Listener Myke and other people, but Myke had the most detailed explanation, wrote

0:01:13in to set our math straight concerning the Hackett number and then if I recount

0:01:18my collection, the ratio that would happen, etc, etc. It's really long. I made

0:01:23a PDF of it, it's in the show notes, just go read the PDF because we can't read it

0:01:28on air because we'd be here all day.

0:01:30Wow.

0:01:31Yeah, this was originally in the notes, in its full text, and I protested it.

0:01:37That reading it in the show makes it more confusing, I think.

0:01:44You have to read something like this, but there's a formula.

0:01:46I'm still very confused.

0:01:47I'm still very much confused by it.

0:01:50That was part of it where I was reading it and I was like, "Oh god, now we've got a thing

0:01:54called point hackets? Like, it's too much." So if for some reason you require an explanation

0:02:01about how to calculate the hacket number, it exists for you. If you don't, we can just

0:02:06move on.

0:02:07Yeah, we never mention it again.

0:02:09My problem is that we just, we came up with this as a stupid joke, and we had no idea

0:02:14that actual mathematics were gonna be involved. You know, like, and now people are taking

0:02:20this seriously. And you know, it's bad. It's like, it's bad when you, when you, when you

0:02:28see this bullet lists, we're like, and then we divide and then we do this. Thus it's like,

0:02:35man, that's just too many steps. Anytime you've made someone write thus, you've, you know,

0:02:42You have a problem.

0:02:43Oh no.

0:02:44Oh no, they're a thus person.

0:02:47What have I done?

0:02:49I've, I've, I've really walked into something now.

0:02:53Thus.

0:02:54Babe made an error.

0:02:58I did.

0:02:59So there was a...

0:03:00Babe done goofed it.

0:03:01A data entry mistake on the notch sizes we spoke about last week.

0:03:07I published them on 512 pixels and someone said, "Hey, oh hey, you got these numbers

0:03:11wrong."

0:03:12The corrected version is on 512.

0:03:16The 10R and the 11 had the same size notch.

0:03:18I mis-entered some data for the 11.

0:03:20Myke still won, but not by as much.

0:03:24But Myke still got the point.

0:03:25- It doesn't matter.

0:03:25A win's a win.

0:03:27- Mm-hmm, that's good.

0:03:28So many charts.

0:03:30- Speaking of notches, there's been a lot of rumors

0:03:33over the last few weeks.

0:03:35The iPhone 13 being one of them,

0:03:38that apparently the notch is gonna get thinner.

0:03:41- You mean the 12S? - Overall?

0:03:43- The 12S.

0:03:44- No, the 13.

0:03:45There is no 12S.

0:03:46It can go straight to 13.

0:03:48The true depth camera system is getting narrower,

0:03:52so they're gonna be able to shrink the notch down,

0:03:54which seemed like the obvious thing, right,

0:03:57going into the future.

0:03:58I mean, I'm sure that there is a future

0:04:01where all of that stuff is just hidden behind the display.

0:04:05Like, that feels like the eventual goal, right,

0:04:08that there's just no notch,

0:04:10but it doesn't mean there's no face ID,

0:04:12just you don't have to have the cutouts anymore.

0:04:14- The iPhone 10 came out when 2017?

0:04:1717, 18, 19, 20, 21, this would be the fifth year,

0:04:21or the fifth year phones with face ID, is that right?

0:04:24I think it is. - Yep.

0:04:25- So yeah, you would hope that they could be able

0:04:27to bring it down in size, and I agree with you,

0:04:30I'm sure they don't want it,

0:04:31I'm sure they're working towards a future

0:04:32where they don't have to have it.

0:04:34- If anything, when you say it like that,

0:04:37it's surprising that they haven't done it yet.

0:04:39Yeah, yeah.

0:04:40It's been quite a long time for Apple to have to not like, they haven't really advanced

0:04:47this technology in any great way, right?

0:04:51I mean, really the only change that's come to it that I can think of is on the iPad,

0:04:57it's rotation agnostic, but that I don't think that ever made it back to the phone even.

0:05:02No it's not on the iPhone.

0:05:03I don't know why that is.

0:05:08Why? It's peculiar, right? It's interesting that they haven't made any significant leaps.

0:05:16The most they ever got on the phone was being a little bit faster. They've yet to have that

0:05:23Touch ID 1 to Touch ID 2 kind of jump, where Touch ID 2 is just so much faster than the

0:05:31original version.

0:05:33It makes me wonder that if in the early days, like, it may be some sort of a miracle that

0:05:38it shipped at all.

0:05:40Interesting.

0:05:41Right?

0:05:42And maybe they have been working on it.

0:05:43It's just seeing that progress is down the road a little bit.

0:05:47It was complicated at first.

0:05:49Yeah, sure it was.

0:05:51One of the funny things that happens when we make picks on the show is sometimes rumors

0:05:56come out the next day that raise issues with some of our picks.

0:06:03So there is a report on 9to5Mac that the iPad Mini will be getting an update as soon as

0:06:10March so maybe a spring event.

0:06:13This report says that the iPad Mini would feature an 8.4 inch display.

0:06:20From what 7.9 I think is the current one.

0:06:23It says it would have smaller bezels.

0:06:25Yep.

0:06:26It's like great that sounds like a redesign and then you keep reading.

0:06:29Unfortunately, I'm quoting now from Chance Miller,

0:06:31"The iPad Mini won't feature a design overhaul

0:06:34similar to the iPad 4 and iPad Pro.

0:06:36It will retain bezels on the top and bottom

0:06:39with a home button and touch ID,

0:06:40plus lightning connectivity on the bottom."

0:06:43So if this were to pass, it would be a new design

0:06:48because the iPad Mini and the iPad Air,

0:06:55you know, and then the early iPad Pros,

0:06:57They all had that same design with the thin bezels on the side and then chunkier ones

0:07:01at top and bottom.

0:07:02So somehow they're going to eat into those more but not have face ID and I think this

0:07:07would come to the regular no adjective iPad as well.

0:07:11So this could be a...

0:07:12No, the regular iPad has already done this.

0:07:16Has it?

0:07:17Yeah.

0:07:18It's like a 10 point something inch display now.

0:07:21So this is the issue.

0:07:22You wouldn't get this pic if they did this, because that's not the new design language,

0:07:27it's an old design language.

0:07:29It's the original...

0:07:30I mean if you look, okay, so I'm looking at the current iPad, they made the device bigger

0:07:35as well, like those bezels aren't drastically smaller than they were before they went to

0:07:40a bigger screen.

0:07:41No, but it's the old like, iPad, the like, first iPad Pro, then the iPad Air, they all

0:07:50look like this. Where like the bezels got a little bit smaller on the sides.

0:07:55As I'm saying the iPad mini carries that same design just in a smaller footprint.

0:07:59Yeah but if it changed to just the bezels getting a bit bigger that is not a

0:08:04new design language. It's just a new design for the iPad mini.

0:08:07No I'm... yeah I would... this is the pick that y'all talked me out of.

0:08:11You wouldn't get the pick. It's kind of funny really because you failed in two ways.

0:08:15one your will was too weak so you allowed us to change your pick and then

0:08:22if you would have just said new design you'd have got it. Yeah. You went with new

0:08:27design language and at that point I'm sorry my bud you're not gonna get it.

0:08:32It's gonna have a home button. It's not the new design language. Yeah. I mean I'll still buy this

0:08:38iPad mini. So see I told you you shouldn't have listened to us. Yeah. We're

0:08:44trying to warn you come up with your own idea and stick by it and you didn't. I was led astray by my

0:08:52so-called friends. Well but we're not friends when it comes to the rookies. Exactly. We are like

0:08:57mortal enemies for an hour. We are participants in a game. Two mortal enemies and then the loser.

0:09:04A new song were played, so...

0:09:07Good luck.

0:09:12I had a bunch of people write in to tell me that they're seeing issues similar to me with their AirPods Max and the battery life.

0:09:22Oh, it actually looks like I saw this link.

0:09:24I didn't see this before, Steven.

0:09:26There was a conversation about it on the Mac Power Users forum as well, right?

0:09:29Yeah, it seems like people are seeing the weird battery drain issue.

0:09:33You are too. Kyle on the Discord is saying he's seen it too.

0:09:36Yep, Kyle was one of the people that contacted me about it.

0:09:40And Ali wrote in to say that it stopped happening for them

0:09:45when they turned off the auto device switching

0:09:48and I have some more anecdotal kind of evidence as it were.

0:09:54I've been noticing my AirPods Max being connected to the wrong device

0:10:00quite frequently. Like I will put them on and I'll press play on my iPhone and it will start playing

0:10:07and then it stops playing and I press the like the digital crown in on my AirPods Max and it starts

0:10:15playing audio from my MacBook Pro which doesn't make any sense because I'm like not near the

0:10:19MacBook Pro. So what I think is happening is the issue isn't the battery life, the AirPods are

0:10:28connecting to devices and the connection seems to be holding on in a way that is not expected.

0:10:34Because the other day, I picked them up from the desk again and it was completely dead.

0:10:38So I think something's happening where it's connecting to the wrong device and keeping

0:10:44that connection and it's both messing up with the switching and also draining the battery.

0:10:50So there's clearly some bugs still to be worked out here.

0:10:54How do y'all feel about the switching between devices outside of this potential battery issue?

0:11:01I have it off. I've had it off basically since the beginning. Like, I tried it for like a week and I

0:11:06was like, nope. I'm very, I don't know, I guess I'm a little particular. I just like to control

0:11:13where my audio goes. It's like, I'm using this device. I want to manually switch to it and make

0:11:19sure that nothing else is going on that's outside of my control. I'm a little control freak when it

0:11:23when it comes to that kind of stuff. And I noticed that I was scrolling Twitter on my

0:11:31iPhone and because the Twitter app is bad from that point of view.

0:11:35The Twitter app is doing something it shouldn't be doing.

0:11:38Yeah, but it was also happening for phone calls and other things. I'm like, "No, when

0:11:42I'm using a device, I want to be the one in control of its audio output." And so I tried

0:11:48it for a week. It's very nice. I get what Apple is doing, but I prefer to control it

0:11:55myself.

0:11:56I love the feature. I think it's magic, but it's incredibly buggy. It's like, I really

0:12:01like it. It's one of those features that for me is like, this is a very cool Apple feature

0:12:07because most of the time it works and I never think about it. Like I just pick up my iPhone

0:12:13and press play and don't do anything and it's just playing where I want it to play.

0:12:19But it's unfortunately one of those things that every time this goes wrong you notice

0:12:23it in a way that maybe you don't with other bugs.

0:12:26We encounter these things all the time and you maybe just do the thing again and it works.

0:12:31But with this there's like ramifications of like "oh well now the audio stopped" or "I'm

0:12:36playing audio from the wrong device" or like you're immediately highlighted to the unexpected

0:12:42nature of it when it goes wrong. But for me, the amount that I like this feature makes

0:12:48me more than tolerate the problems with it. Because I just really like that I can be listening

0:12:54to something, say on my iPad, and then pause it on my iPad, and then walk away, pick up

0:13:01my iPhone, press play on a podcast, and it just starts playing in the same headphones.

0:13:07There's something about that that's just very cool to me, but unfortunately it's not perfect.

0:13:13Do you have it on, Steven?

0:13:14No, I've got it off as well.

0:13:17For the same reasons.

0:13:18It's unpredictable and it has a tendency to basically what I don't want it to.

0:13:26So I tried it in the beta over the summer and fall, but it's just not for me.

0:13:34I'll let you two know if it improves anymore.

0:13:37- On the topic of AirPods,

0:13:38I know that this is not in the document,

0:13:40but I just wanted to mention how,

0:13:42you know, when we talked about my Sony wireless earbuds,

0:13:47the-- - Oh yeah,

0:13:48I've forgotten about those.

0:13:49- WF-1000XM3,

0:13:52these are the AirPods Pro competitor, I guess, by Sony.

0:13:57I love them.

0:13:58I've been using them basically exclusively

0:14:00for the past two months.

0:14:03I haven't used my AirPods Pro at all.

0:14:06What makes them superior in your...

0:14:08The audio quality is a lot better.

0:14:11I've been doing a lot of different, like I was doing last month, a lot of different tests.

0:14:15These sound a lot better than the AirPods Pro.

0:14:19And so that makes me really curious to see what Apple does with the second generation AirPods Pro.

0:14:24But I guess this year, they sound a lot better.

0:14:28They're quite a bit larger, aren't they?

0:14:31The Sony ones, okay.

0:14:33Yeah, they're bigger. They have a different shape.

0:14:36They don't have a stem, they're more like a sort of elliptical shape in a way.

0:14:41They're also like different from, you may have seen something like the Sennheiser,

0:14:47the Momentum Wireless 2. They have like this bigger, like chunkier designs.

0:14:54And the Sony strike a nice balance, I think.

0:14:57Right. And what ones are these? I can never remember the silly names.

0:15:01WF-1000XM3.

0:15:06Right. These are the earbuds, not the over-ears.

0:15:08The earbuds. No, no, these are the earbuds. The AirPods Pro competitor by Sony. Yes.

0:15:14There's been some contentious feedback about the Bill of Rickeys that we need to address.

0:15:21I'm not going to read the rules today, but Martine sent us a note saying that they have

0:15:29an issue with the exact language of the flexi rules because we say "loser of the non-graded

0:15:36flexis must compensate the winner."

0:15:39And if we're grading the flexis, they're not non-graded, and it's been bothering them.

0:15:46Yeah, yeah, I know what they mean.

0:15:48The non-grading is in points towards the totals. That's why it's non-graded. But I understand

0:15:56what they're saying. I mean, there's always room for clarification in the rules.

0:16:01Always. So do we want to take out-

0:16:03It's non-graded-

0:16:04Non-graded?

0:16:06Non-graded towards the total of some kind. I don't know.

0:16:11Loser of the-

0:16:13(laughing)

0:16:15I think we just get rid of non-graded.

0:16:19- Yeah.

0:16:20- Loser of the flexies must compensate the winner

0:16:23by donating, blah, blah, blah, blah.

0:16:25- Now wait a second, we have a real AFM wiki?

0:16:28- So that's where this is going.

0:16:29Someone has set this up,

0:16:30and it has the full copy of the bill of rookies,

0:16:35and now they gotta change it again

0:16:37to take out the term non-graded.

0:16:41But yeah, it's a whole thing.

0:16:43Why is there no entry for me? Or any of you?

0:16:46It's a very new thing. I think it was set up like four days ago.

0:16:49Well they better get on it.

0:16:51It's also one of these, the fandom wiki pages which are just like, they're a nightmare.

0:16:57They're a nightmare to use because they're like, it's like covered in wild ads all the

0:17:03time but it's very nice as a thing to exist. I like a living document on the web of the

0:17:10Bill of Rickeys. That's very useful for people to follow along. I know people love when the

0:17:15rules are read. I am worried about vandalization of the Bill of Rickeys.

0:17:22Well, the one true copy is in the Google Doc.

0:17:27Yeah, we have it. We hold it.

0:17:29Yes, right. And I've started doing a date, so it last amended January 13th, 2021.

0:17:36Very nice. Very official.

0:17:38So and with Google Docs, we have the full history.

0:17:41So Nicolas Cage can try to break in and steal this original document, but it's safe and

0:17:45sound in our Google Doc.

0:17:46Okay, let's take a break.

0:17:50And then we're going to get into some tiny topics.

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0:19:06working on a weird series now. Yeah, I'm reliving the past because the

0:19:12present's a bummer. Okay. Is that really something, does that qualify as new in

0:19:19your life? No, no. So I am doing a series this year on the blog about 2001, which

0:19:28was a really momentous year in Apple history and so as things happened 20

0:19:35years ago I'll be covering them I started last week recapping Macworld San

0:19:41Francisco which had a bunch of really big announcements including the ship

0:19:46date for OS X the titanium power book the first super drive and then a little

0:19:52app called iTunes and it's much more successful sibling iDVD.

0:19:56- iDVD.

0:19:57This was when you made DVDs, right?

0:19:59That was iDVD.

0:20:00- Yep, so before this you could edit an iMovie

0:20:02for a couple of years,

0:20:04but then you just had them on your computer.

0:20:07And now you could compress the video,

0:20:09you had to have a G4 to do it,

0:20:11compress the video, burn it onto a DVD,

0:20:14and the big deal was that that was then playable

0:20:17on like a regular consumer grade DVD player.

0:20:21So you could make a movie and, you know,

0:20:23show it in your living room.

0:20:25I know I used iDVD, but I have no memory of what I would have used it for.

0:20:32I think it may have just been for the sake of using it, you know, like just having wanted

0:20:37to make a DVD with iDVD.

0:20:40I used it quite a bit at this job I had in high school and it had a good feature.

0:20:45I don't know when it was added, but you could then burn subsequent discs without having

0:20:50to re-encode the video, which was awesome,

0:20:52because the encoding is what took so long.

0:20:55And you can make little menus and stuff.

0:20:57So I went over all of that,

0:21:00and there's a bunch more coming up.

0:21:02I have a whole list in Todoist of things.

0:21:05There's some stuff coming up next month we'll talk about.

0:21:08- I know that 2001 was 20 years ago.

0:21:11- It was. - Right?

0:21:12So that's why you've picked it.

0:21:13But is that the only reason?

0:21:16Is there a specific reason why 2001 is interesting

0:21:19and you decided to do it?

0:21:20Or did you just have the idea and then decided to go back for 20 years?

0:21:24A little bit of both.

0:21:252001 is important because it's the year OS X launched publicly.

0:21:29They had the public beta in 2000, but the first finalized version of Mac OS X shipped

0:21:34in 2001.

0:21:37And it really is the year that the whole idea of the digital hub really started taking shape.

0:21:43You know, that your computer would be at the center of your music and your movies.

0:21:47iPhoto would come along in 2002,

0:21:49but a lot of those core concepts

0:21:53that really defined the Mac experience,

0:21:56in some cases until today, have their roots in this year.

0:22:00So I had thought about this before,

0:22:03but it was about halfway through 2000,

0:22:06and so it was kind of too late to start,

0:22:08and we were doing 20 Macs for 2020.

0:22:11And then looking through the history stuff,

0:22:13I was like, well, there's so much stuff in '01,

0:22:15let's just do 01. So I'm happy that this is the year to do this.

0:22:21It's a shame there was no iWeb in 2001. I would like to...

0:22:24I know. Well, maybe I'll just do a whole iWeb thing.

0:22:26iWeb is so weird.

0:22:29Big news. AirTags. One step closer, perhaps.

0:22:33Are they...

0:22:34So I'm so sick of this now. I'm like...

0:22:38I feel like this product isn't even out and I'm already bored by it. Like, I don't even

0:22:42anymore. Like I've read so much about it, like I get it, whatever, like I'm already

0:22:47tired. Oh, okay, what about AirTags now? People have discovered if you type "find my" colon

0:22:56slash slash items... How? How did you discover it? I don't know. Into Safari on Big Sur.

0:23:04There are people that I, I mean I just assume people do this like all the time. Just they

0:23:10have a list of things to try? Yeah. Like a checklist of, you know, these little secrets

0:23:18to try. Will this work? No. Will this work? I know that Carl the Grey is someone who does

0:23:24these kinds of things. I'm convinced of it. And Carl, you will never convince me otherwise.

0:23:28I'm sure you do stuff like this. Oh yeah. Like, just like that you have a list of things

0:23:32that you check, you know, whether it's your feedbacks or little things that you want to

0:23:38try and find it and then so you can be like "aha I found it" it doesn't do anything

0:23:42really on the Mac? Oh there you go it does it just doesn't look the same.

0:23:46Keep track of your everyday items. Yes and there's a link there to a knowledge

0:23:50base article that doesn't exist yet so that's fun so we can see when that

0:23:55becomes real content. So yeah it opens find my and shows you a screen of

0:23:59searching for items it's more filled out on iOS. This doesn't suggest air tags.

0:24:05It suggests AirTags only because we know AirTags are coming.

0:24:09No, what it's suggesting is the API that, like, for third parties to tie into that Apple

0:24:15already announced.

0:24:16Maybe.

0:24:17Right?

0:24:18Where, like, third parties can, that make these products, can be like, "I will give

0:24:25my identity away to you," right?

0:24:28The thing that no one's gonna sign up for, right?

0:24:31Kind of like that HomeKit secure video.

0:24:33There's like, Nest aren't like, "Yeah, sure, we'll just go in on this now and lose all

0:24:39of our control."

0:24:42Because it's basically Apple's attempt at trying to stop getting sued by Tile, right?

0:24:48Where they're just like, "Hey, you can now integrate with our system."

0:24:52That's what this is referring to, because it's like, "Follow the instructions provided

0:24:57by the manufacturer to make your item discoverable?"

0:25:00Well, Apple wouldn't write that about AirTags, would they? Right? It's not going to be like,

0:25:06"The manufacturer." It's a "define my network" thing. That's what this is. I mean, I'm not

0:25:15saying it's not AirTags, but what I'm saying is I think that this thing that people were talking

0:25:20about and this whole screen, it's related to that because I guarantee you that this is not the setup

0:25:26path for AirTags. Right? You're not going to be like searching for items. Like it's

0:25:33going to do the whole thing where it automatically detects it. It's going to be

0:25:35like a much fancier process than this. Because, you know, if at least a copy

0:25:41wouldn't in the pop-up and say that. Like it would be like searching for

0:25:46your AirTag or this other thing. Well unless what we're seeing is half

0:25:51baked, which is definitely possible because it doesn't seem like we should

0:25:54see it at all. But yeah, I mean there is there is the Find My Network, we'll have

0:25:58a link in the show notes to their FAQ, there's a developer preview

0:26:02specification, it's not done yet and it's coming. And you know who knows how many

0:26:07people will will jump on this. It may be a thing kind of like the smart connector

0:26:14on the iPad. It's there and like yes you can use it but basically it's just Apple

0:26:19that uses it so. Can I ask a question? Yes please.

0:26:22Do people really lose that many things?

0:26:26I would want one of these to put in like my suitcase.

0:26:30Yeah, but like...

0:26:31Right, but for me that kind of...

0:26:33Maybe a suitcase and a backpack, but that's about it.

0:26:35But don't you think that for the kind of person that loses all those things

0:26:39that maybe that's a problem and you need to fix it rather than buy another thing?

0:26:43Well, do you remember that time when that guy picked up my suitcase at the airport?

0:26:47Right. What a story.

0:26:49That's the kind of stuff...

0:26:50One of my all-time favorite stories. Yes.

0:26:52Yeah, it's just one of the best stories.

0:26:54So like, that's the kind of time when I would want like a tracking thing, right?

0:27:00And I've done it. Like I used a product by a company called Tracker and I just left one of them in my suitcase.

0:27:06And, you know, and that's the kind of thing where I want it.

0:27:09But outside of that, like, I don't know what else I would use them for.

0:27:14I know people put them on keys, right?

0:27:17Like I think I was like, how can you lose your keys?

0:27:19Like, yeah.

0:27:21Or like a wallet.

0:27:22How can you lose your wallet? I don't get it.

0:27:24Yeah, you could have put it on your heart rate monitor that Myke stole.

0:27:28That's true and then...

0:27:29Having an object being taken from you is not the same as losing it.

0:27:33Yeah, but at least if you had an air tag attached to your heart rate monitor, you would know where I hit it.

0:27:39True.

0:27:40Right.

0:27:41Or you could attach it to your heart directly.

0:27:43Staple it on there.

0:27:45Never gonna lose it.

0:27:47I mean, I don't know, I lose stuff sometimes, right? Things happen.

0:27:50I never lose anything. I never lose anything. I think the last time I lost something was

0:27:53when I was a kid.

0:27:54Well, and the heart rate monitor.

0:27:56No, that was stolen.

0:27:58And also, honestly, Federico, every time we've ever been anywhere, you've lost something

0:28:02for a period of time.

0:28:04No.

0:28:05Yes.

0:28:06See, losing something temporarily doesn't mean that you lost it. It means it's been

0:28:09temporarily mishandled.

0:28:11That's the same thing.

0:28:12No.

0:28:13It's the same thing. You would have found all of these things faster if you had air

0:28:17tags on them. I mean, but to be honest, putting air tags on your jewellery would be tricky,

0:28:21but... Exactly! So like, you know, jewellery, like,

0:28:24it's fine, it was just under the bedsheets. But...

0:28:27Yeah, but all I'm saying is this idea that you never lose things is not correct.

0:28:32I never lose anything. Okay.

0:28:35It's just one of my qualities, I never lose anything. Like, name one thing I've lost,

0:28:41except the one thing that was stolen from me. The heart rate monitor. We just spoke

0:28:46about it look no we just spoke about it in the context of either you or the house cleaning

0:28:52stuff still in it so i still think there is a third option but you won't accept it see

0:28:59i've been thinking about this the guy from google that i met at the gym i don't know

0:29:05there was something off about him i didn't know you met someone from google i was talking

0:29:09to this Italian person who told me, apparently, he worked at the Google offices in Zurich,

0:29:18in Switzerland. I don't know.

0:29:20See, now Google's got your heart data.

0:29:22I've been thinking about that guy.

0:29:24They wanted it. They hacked you, and now Google, they're gonna sell you heart rate ads.

0:29:32Anyway, I don't like, seriously, are we gonna buy AirTags? As a group of three, are we gonna

0:29:45buy them? What's our consensus here? Is it something that we're interested in?

0:29:51I would get like one or like one pack the next time that I would... So look, I would

0:29:58probably get like one so I could try it so I can talk about it on a show or at

0:30:03like the same as anything but I would want one to put in my suitcase just

0:30:07because like I like that I think that's a cool thing because I never want to

0:30:11lose my suitcase right I cannot always be around in the same elevator of the guy

0:30:17who cannot rely on your Italian friends to be bumping into people that pick your

0:30:22suitcase up by accident and then get annoyed at you even though they were the

0:30:25perpetrator of this issue, right? So you need air tags for when you don't have an

0:30:33Italian and I only travel with an Italian like once or twice a year so

0:30:38like you know you need you need some kind of like computer tracking system

0:30:42where you don't have your Italian tracking system. You not only don't

0:30:47lose things you don't allow other people to lose things that's your superpower.

0:30:50And especially most people wouldn't have the will, I guess, to shout in a packed elevator,

0:30:57"Sir, I believe that's not your suitcase."

0:30:59Yeah.

0:31:01Although, I would hope that any of my friends, if they saw my suitcase, would say that. Like,

0:31:09they wouldn't be like, "Oh, I'm just too embarrassed to ask, so Myke's not got any of his belongings

0:31:13anymore."

0:31:19I would get them for stuff I travel with, like suitcase, backpack, especially our gear

0:31:26case when we used to do live shows.

0:31:29I would put one in there.

0:31:30I try to make that my carry-on anytime I fly, but sometimes it's just not possible and they

0:31:35take it from me at the gate and then I'm very nervous the entire flight.

0:31:39I would definitely have one in there.

0:31:40I will never forget when we were doing our tour, the East Coast tour, and they wouldn't

0:31:46let you check it and I was sitting on the window seat and I watched the like

0:31:51the luggage person just launch the case over a barrier onto this like little

0:31:55chute which they so easily could have overshot and it would have landed like

0:32:0020 feet onto the ground but even just watching all of the gear that we needed for our

0:32:04live show just being hauled onto this chute it's just like I just wished I

0:32:08never would have seen it like do whatever you're gonna do just never let

0:32:12Let me see it, right?

0:32:13Because then I don't have to think about it.

0:32:15Just don't show me.

0:32:16Anytime that happens, I take the microphones out and stuff in my backpack.

0:32:19At least I'll have those.

0:32:20Yeah.

0:32:21But yeah, as far as everyday objects though, maybe my backpack, but I wouldn't put one

0:32:27on my keys or in my wallet or anything, but I don't really, what did you say?

0:32:33Temporarily mishandle those items very often, but maybe I could put one on each of my children

0:32:39so I know where they are.

0:32:41That's a real concern, right?

0:32:42I was thinking about this very thing, but for my dogs, like maybe one of my use cases

0:32:48would be to put one of my dogs' color when we go to the park or something, you know,

0:32:54as an extra precaution.

0:32:56In case you temporarily mishandle one of your animals.

0:32:58Well, the thing is, like objects, you know, physical objects, they don't have a, well,

0:33:04I believe they have a soul, but it's not like they can escape.

0:33:08Whoa, whoa, whoa. Wait, no, I'm serious. Okay, Tiny Topic 2.5. Federico explains. See, I grew

0:33:18up, when I was little, I watched the original Toy Story, like, hundreds of times. And I

0:33:25am convinced that the objects we use, they have, well, maybe not a soul, but they have

0:33:30an essence of some kind. And every time I, like, for example, whenever I throw away,

0:33:37like an old t-shirt or whenever I throw away anything I think that the thing

0:33:42it's like thank you the Americano method that's like a permanent mishandling of

0:33:47something yes so it's really that Federico method yeah I was I've been

0:33:53doing this forever I also thank my home like when we leave for the weekend like

0:33:58I say goodbye to our apartment and I think I've always been this way always

0:34:02You're so beautiful. You're such a beautiful individual. It's just like such an adorable

0:34:09thing to do.

0:34:10But Sylvia does it too.

0:34:12Well, I can imagine if you lived with someone for as long as Sylvia has lived with you,

0:34:19that eventually you were also just going to adopt this practice, you know?

0:34:23Probably. Yeah.

0:34:24That's so beautiful.

0:34:26Real time follow up. Federico, you have a page on the Relay Fandom site.

0:34:31Fantastic.

0:34:32Superpowers, it says you never lose anything, may temporarily mishandle items.

0:34:37Perfect.

0:34:38I love it, thank you, thank you.

0:34:41I don't have a page, come on.

0:34:43Yeah, neither do I, he's the only one.

0:34:44Well, the fact that you're mentioned on mine should satisfy you enough.

0:34:47I know, I just have one of those red pages.

0:34:51Never loses anything, may temporarily, this is perfect.

0:34:55Oh boy.

0:34:57Wait, wait, there's a... there's a... why is John Voorhees texting us, saying that that

0:35:04page is full of lies?

0:35:06Because he knows you lose things. Because he's traveled with you.

0:35:10Because he also knows you lose things.

0:35:11Never lose anything. I can't recall the last time I lost anything. Like, lost implies that

0:35:17it's forever lost, right?

0:35:19No.

0:35:20No.

0:35:21I wish Sylvia listened to this show.

0:35:22I'm gonna ask her, have I ever lost anything? And then I will follow up with you next week.

0:35:29I will probably come back with a long list of things I've lost.

0:35:32Yes. Well, what it is, is we're gonna get the long list of things that Sylvia has replaced

0:35:39without you knowing. You know, like if when you're a kid and you say you lost your stuffed

0:35:46bear or something, and then your parent replaces it for you, and it's like, no, no, it's

0:35:51over there. That's what we're going to find out about.

0:35:54You know, speaking of replacing things, and I need to talk quietly otherwise she's going

0:35:58to hear this. I replaced the white HomePod in our bedroom with a white Amazon Echo and

0:36:04she still hasn't noticed. It's been three days.

0:36:08Okay, but what is the thinking? Why would that be a problem?

0:36:14She didn't want to buy another Amazon Echo so soon, but I really wanted to. And so it's

0:36:20It's been three days and it's going quite well.

0:36:24She hasn't noticed anything.

0:36:25It basically looks almost the same.

0:36:27It's just a little shorter than the HomePod.

0:36:30Very clever.

0:36:31It's a dangerous game to play because you're like working with the delivery person at that

0:36:35point, right?

0:36:36I know, I know.

0:36:38But we'll see.

0:36:39We'll see when she notices.

0:36:40I think she ever will.

0:36:42But we'll see.

0:36:43Let's take a break.

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0:38:25All right, on Tuesday, which is yesterday as we were recording this, CBS This Morning

0:38:31teased that they were going to be having Tim Cook join them on the show and he had a big

0:38:36announcement. Lots of people were making lots of assumptions about what this announcement would be,

0:38:43including maybe something to do with their privacy tracking, or maybe that Apple would somehow help

0:38:49with COVID vaccinations, but it was none of those things. Apple have spent some time today with

0:38:54press releases and on CBS this morning talking about some of the donations they're making and

0:39:02the initiatives they're undertaking as part of their racial equality and justice initiative.

0:39:07This is something that they launched in 2020 and they kind of spoke about it,

0:39:13said they were committing some money to it and now they've listed a quite large

0:39:18selection of things that they're going to be putting this money towards.

0:39:22I want to detail them real quick. It's going to take me a couple of minutes because there's

0:39:25quite a few things but I thought it would be worth at least putting them in the record here.

0:39:28So they've made a $25 million donation to the Propel Center which is a new hub for students

0:39:34at Historically Black Colleges and Universities, which I will now abbreviate to HBCU.

0:39:41They have courses and tracks focused on different levels of technology, art and business, and

0:39:46experts within Apple are going to be helping to shape the courses in some of these areas.

0:39:51So they've made a donation and they're also giving time and resources and expertise.

0:39:57They've made two new grants to help HBCU Colleges of Engineering develop their silicon and hardware

0:40:04engineering curriculum in partnership with Apple's experts. So colleges in these fields

0:40:08are going to be getting some help from them. And similarly for educators pursuing research

0:40:13and development, Apple's going to be providing mentorship programs and curriculum development

0:40:18in these areas as well, as well as funds. Later this year, Apple will open an Apple

0:40:23Developer Academy in Detroit. This is the first of its kind in the US. They've had these

0:40:27in areas around the world. I know there was one in Brazil. I think they have had one in

0:40:32a few other places. Federico, do they have one of these in Italy?

0:40:34There's one in Italy, Naples, yes. Yeah, so this is the first one in the US and

0:40:39they've picked Detroit for that. In February, Apple will host the inaugural cohort of its

0:40:45entrepreneur camp for black founders and developers. This is something that's already exist, I

0:40:49believe, in this. They're going to be doing a virtual kind of course experience. They're

0:40:54going to be doing like one-on-one guidance from Apple engineers and mentorship with Apple

0:40:59Apple is going to be investing $10 million into the VC firm Harlem Capital to support

0:41:05its investments in 1,000 companies of diverse founders, $25 million into the cyber William

0:41:12Shanks Clear Vision Impact Fund to provide capital to small and medium-sized businesses

0:41:17with minority-owned, and Apple is making a contribution to the King Center Living Memorial

0:41:24to the legacy of Dr Martin Luther King Jr to share his teachings and inspire new generations

0:41:29to carry forward his unfinished work. I mean I don't know about you but when I was going

0:41:34through this it was like an overwhelming amount of things to try and get through

0:41:37and I think that that's actually good to have so much because basically Apple announced the project

0:41:45when it was new. They announced an amount of money and then clearly had to go away and plan out its

0:41:51investments. And I think it makes sense to have a lot of things to announce at once in a bunch of

0:41:57different areas, both money and time and in different things. Because it's kind of, I guess,

0:42:03easy to as a company, like a large company, to just be like, throw $10 million at a thing,

0:42:08and then call it done. But if it's something that you actually believe in, and you really want to

0:42:14change, it takes more than that, right? And like, I guess Apple knows this from their climate

0:42:20initiatives as well. It's like you can buy climate credits if you want and that's fine,

0:42:25but to make bigger change more lasting change you have to actually change infrastructure

0:42:30to make sure that you are using renewable energy not just using non-renewable energy and then

0:42:37buying climate credits to offset that. Right. Like the bigger change is actually the infrastructure

0:42:43and so again like while Apple is investing money they're investing money a lot in education

0:42:49and in VC firms and then also providing mentorship with individuals. So it's like they're going

0:42:58throughout the whole stack, right? So like you're helping with education financially but also by

0:43:04having access to people that are like in the top of these fields. So I guess like if you want to

0:43:11make this kind of change that's what you have to do. Similarly for Apple like if you want to change

0:43:17the makeup of the company, they have to go this far into it, right? To make sure that

0:43:22they are bringing forward people. So yeah, I think this is a good set of things overall,

0:43:31but it's a lot of things.

0:43:33One thing that's really interesting in this is their financial commitment to VC funds

0:43:40that work with black and brown entrepreneurs. Because for Apple to become more diverse,

0:43:47tech industry as a whole and these other areas Apple works in need to become more diverse

0:43:53as well.

0:43:54So even if some of these entrepreneurs never make it to Apple, I mean this isn't a recruiting

0:43:58scheme Apple's part of, it's not their intention.

0:44:01No, they have a whole separate thing for that, right?

0:44:04And like, rightly, but that's different.

0:44:06But if you make the entire ecosystem more diverse by bringing these people in and having

0:44:13people have access to resources they wouldn't otherwise have,

0:44:16making those investments now do pay off.

0:44:20And I think in particular,

0:44:22their work with entrepreneurs

0:44:23is really gonna be interesting

0:44:26and it's going to really open doors for people.

0:44:29I mean, VC funding for a long time has had a real problem

0:44:33of most of those dollars go to companies run by white dudes.

0:44:38And that is a huge problem in Silicon Valley and beyond.

0:44:43and Apple's addressing that head on and I think that's great.

0:44:47I don't know about with these funds because I think it's kind of interesting of

0:44:52like if Apple are going to financially benefit from any of these companies.

0:44:56Like this isn't a bad thing.

0:44:58It's but it's like I wonder if the money that they're investing into the VC

0:45:02firms,

0:45:03what I don't know is if they are investments like you would normally

0:45:08invest into a VC fund or if it's like a grant.

0:45:12Yeah, I don't know.

0:45:13It doesn't bother me either way to be honest, but no, I just I wonder so it's cool

0:45:18I'm happy to see all of this kind of out left field

0:45:21I think this wasn't what anybody predicted, but I don't know if we were necessarily like expecting something from this

0:45:27It's like one of those things where like with a lot of apples

0:45:29initiatives in these areas you're confident that they will tell you when they have something to say and

0:45:34This was that time

0:45:37We have some real-time follow-up from the discord. Okay, we all opened the link. I've put in the Google Doc

0:45:43[Laughter]

0:45:47Federico, can you read the name of this of this Academy?

0:45:51What is it?

0:45:52It's the Apple Developer Academy in Italy. What is the name of it?

0:45:56[Laughter]

0:45:58Well, that's in Italian would be Federico Secondo. He used to be the king of the...

0:46:10No, I'm gonna say something stupid.

0:46:12No, I just think what this means is Apple's trying to fund the next Federico.

0:46:16They want the second Federico.

0:46:19It's the school of Federico 2.

0:46:21It's Federico 2.

0:46:22Yeah, they're trying to make the bigger, better Federico.

0:46:25And Apple's like plowing money into this campaign to get Federico 2.

0:46:31I'm looking at the Google Street View of this place. It's very nice looking.

0:46:34Screw them. Federico 1.0 is still working perfectly fine.

0:46:41This is like tapping straight into your idea of staying young, right?

0:46:47Apple's already trying to find the next Federico.

0:46:49Yeah, good luck with that.

0:46:51This one's got a lot of life in him.

0:46:54No, what happened is as soon as he switched to Spotify,

0:46:57Apple's like, "Well, we need a Federico too. That one we've lost."

0:47:01That was the tipping point.

0:47:03Man, this website is not great.

0:47:07It's not great.

0:47:09Not a great website.

0:47:10Perhaps they should have considered a web developer academy instead.

0:47:14We, we owe our listeners an apology.

0:47:18Because we promised the topic for weeks and we never did it months.

0:47:25And in that time, the topic died.

0:47:28And we're not here to bring it back.

0:47:33But we had this thing where we were going to have this experiment.

0:47:37Myke was going to wear his Apple watch and Federico and I are going to give him

0:47:40advice on how to set it up and we never did it because it was a really busy fall

0:47:44and and how Myke is no longer wearing his Apple watch again so I sacrificed

0:47:49three months to a project that never happened okay I wore my Apple watch

0:47:54every day from when watch OS 7 came out to Christmas Day preparing for this

0:48:00topic and I don't wear my Apple watch anymore I stopped wearing it so the this

0:48:08This topic has now taken on three different lives and its third one is where it ends with

0:48:15it being navigate like gone down from like a multi episode main topic to a small topic

0:48:21in one episode.

0:48:24So here's my feeling about the Apple Watch as we are here in 2021.

0:48:31I valued the fitness stuff the most.

0:48:35Tracking my health and tracking my steps and all that kind of stuff.

0:48:40Because your iPhone will track your steps but the variance between my Apple Watch and

0:48:45my iPhone is massive because I don't carry my phone around with me all the time but my

0:48:50watch is always on me so it's calculating my steps correctly.

0:48:54However the always on me part is my problem with the Apple Watch now.

0:48:59I have just come down to realizing that I just do not want to have a computer strapped

0:49:06to me all the time.

0:49:07I just don't want that.

0:49:08I do not begrudge anybody or say that it's weird or wrong in any way to want this type

0:49:15of stuff.

0:49:16It's just not for me.

0:49:17So like, I do not want technology to be physically attached to me trying to get my attention.

0:49:28That's not a thing that I want.

0:49:31And it was one of the things that I struggled with initially, was trying to work out the

0:49:36notifications that I wanted, and I never got it down to a level that I was happy with while

0:49:43still getting utility from it.

0:49:45So at a basic level, do I want to be notified about iMessages?

0:49:51And the answer is yes.

0:49:52But I would also find myself frustrated sometimes that I was getting too many in a time that

0:49:58I didn't want them.

0:50:00And like, I could put on Do Not Disturb, but then like, when do I turn it off again?

0:50:06Am I going to remember to turn it off?

0:50:08With my phone, it's kind of just like, I just put the phone to the side and then I'm not

0:50:14being buzzed about it anymore.

0:50:15My phone's just like on the sofa, it's not even making noise, like I don't care.

0:50:19Or it's buzzing and I don't notice because my phone's not with me.

0:50:22That's one of the other big things of like, I can walk away from my phone, like I can

0:50:27leave it in another room or whatever and I don't have to think about it right like I don't have to

0:50:32think about putting it on do not disturb I don't have to think about like what could these messages

0:50:36be that I'm getting right that's the other thing like you get a bunch of notifications on your

0:50:41apple watch and my mind is like what are they but with my phone that just just getting notifications

0:50:49in the other room and I'm never I don't even know they're there right and I don't ever have to think

0:50:54about it and I think I've just where I for me in my life right now I don't like

0:51:00the feeling of being constantly connected and engaged with the world and

0:51:04but neither do I particularly want to make conscious choices all the time

0:51:09about do I want to be notified now or not I kind of like that I have

0:51:16separation accidentally right so like my phones in the other room and then I just

0:51:23go on my PlayStation for like an hour and a half and then come back to my phone and

0:51:27there's a bunch of stuff there and I can just deal with it.

0:51:29But I like that I don't have to have been like, "Okay, now's the time for Do Not Disturb

0:51:35for 90 minutes."

0:51:37And so that's kind of where I am.

0:51:41I think I like a bit of distance from technology at times and the Apple Watch doesn't allow

0:51:51me to do that in the way that I like it. I do miss the hand washing prompt. I liked it

0:51:57because in case I'm not really paying attention, I'm washing my hands. I know I've washed them

0:52:02for long enough. Like sometimes I know I'm washing them way longer than needed because

0:52:07I'm like, "Oh, how long have I been doing this? I'm not really paying attention." I

0:52:11miss the accurate step counts, but I'm in lockdown right now, so like whatever. I can't

0:52:17go anywhere and there have been a couple of times when I've looked at my wrist to get

0:52:22the weather which obviously I don't have on my wrist but now I just have a widget anyway

0:52:27on my home screen and my phone so it's not even that far away anymore.

0:52:30So that's the Apple Watch.

0:52:32I'm in a similar place with it.

0:52:34I mean I've worn it on and off over the years but since having surgery at the end of October

0:52:41and I'm still walking in a boot I really haven't worn my watch very much.

0:52:47Part of that is I've been home, part of it is I just got really bummed out looking at

0:52:51the lack of activity rings, not having the ability to do much physically.

0:52:59I'm kind of at a point where you are again, where I just don't want to wear it.

0:53:04I just don't want the notifications or the technology with me all the time.

0:53:09The problem I'm getting ready to run into is, hopefully as I get out of this boot in

0:53:13a couple weeks, I can start doing stuff again, I will want the fitness stuff, but I don't

0:53:18want to wear the watch. And so I don't know if it's going to be a deal where I just wear

0:53:22the watch when I'm working out or doing physical activity, and wear another watch the rest

0:53:27of the time or what I mean, I really want Apple to do my faceless fitness tracker idea.

0:53:35They're not going to even I've even looked around the most basic Fitbit has a screen.

0:53:40I don't need a screen because I'm already wearing a watch.

0:53:42You can do something like the Whoop, but it's like 30 bucks a month.

0:53:46Whoop, Whoop, Whoop.

0:53:47The what?

0:53:48Whoop.

0:53:49Have you seen this?

0:53:50What is that?

0:53:51Oh, well, it's w-h-o-o-p dot com.

0:53:54It's kind of a high-end fitness tracker.

0:53:56I've got some friends who are into it, and it's like a whole...

0:54:00They have their own app and everything.

0:54:02It's a subscription, of course.

0:54:04Whoop.

0:54:05Whoop.

0:54:06Whoop.

0:54:07That's overkill for me.

0:54:08Whoop.

0:54:09much stuff. So I think it would end up like just bouncing between the Apple Watch and not wearing

0:54:14the Apple Watch, which I don't love. Because I do really feel like for me this is an always product

0:54:20or not all the time product. It's like I don't... for me like the Apple Watch is not like one of my

0:54:26other watches. Like I have a small selection of watches and I like to wear those and that's

0:54:30definitely a thing in this, right? Same. Like I like to wear my watches more than the Apple Watch

0:54:38But it's not like the Apple Watch doesn't really get rotated like my other watches.

0:54:44I find it more distracting to wear it for like a couple of days.

0:54:48Yeah. Right. Because then I have to like re-get used to it again and then take it off.

0:54:52I don't know what to do.

0:54:53I listened to this and I realized that I have become the kind of person

0:55:03with the Apple Watch who doesn't care a lot anymore. Like, I get notifications and it's fine

0:55:12and then I ignore them and I don't think about them. Like, I wear the Apple Watch every day for

0:55:18a couple of reasons. One of them is I like to have a heart monitor basically always on and I

0:55:24want to know whenever someone is calling me on the phone. I don't like the notifications I don't

0:55:30really use and they don't particularly bother me every once in a while. It's nice that I can glance

0:55:35at it and if like John is texting me about something important it's nice that I can get it

0:55:41on the Apple Watch but then it's like I don't have the patience to go in and change the settings

0:55:47for apps that send me notifications but I also don't use those like I just get them and it's

0:55:57and I'm like, "Whatever," you know?

0:56:00It's like a very passive relationship I have, I think,

0:56:03at this point with the Apple Watch.

0:56:05And I really like it for controlling music playback.

0:56:08That I do a lot.

0:56:09And I sleep with it, so it's mostly like a reassurance

0:56:14type of thing.

0:56:15And also, like, the workouts that I've been doing,

0:56:18like Pilates with Sylvia for the past month,

0:56:21probably even more.

0:56:22And I don't even think about tracking it anymore.

0:56:26I've sort of moved away from that obsession of closing the rings. It's like, I just want to feel...

0:56:32And this is something that Silvia actually made me, sort of, mindset, like, besides, you know,

0:56:39the thing on the on the screen and the rings and the awards, like, are you actually feeling better

0:56:45yourself. And since you guys last saw me, I've lost like nine kilograms. So it's

0:56:55going, it's going really well. Sort of like, it's not important what the, what

0:57:01the, you know, what the computer is telling you, but are you actually feeling better

0:57:05yourself? And are you keeping a daily pace of exercise? Are you eating

0:57:09healthier? Because it's, it's, I think it's a common trap of these things, right? It

0:57:14It becomes more about the workflow,

0:57:17about the digital workflow, than the practice itself.

0:57:21And I totally get it, right?

0:57:23People are different, and each one of us,

0:57:28they need a different type of encouragement.

0:57:31And it's not like everybody is fortunate enough

0:57:34to live with a Pilates instructor.

0:57:37Like, I get it, I totally get it.

0:57:40So the Apple Watch, I'm not doubting the beneficial aspect

0:57:44of the rings and the encouragement and the awards and all of that, because I used to

0:57:48do that. But now I'm at a different point in my life.

0:57:51I think it's a good first step for a lot of people.

0:57:52It's a good first step, but I think it's important that it's something that you develop yourself.

0:57:56Like don't count on the computer alone telling you what to do. Try to understand what you're

0:58:03doing. And that's when it really becomes a habit. Not because the computer is telling

0:58:08you so, but because you want to.

0:58:10Eric in the discord also brought up the I can't say this what is this the or a

0:58:15ring or a the aura aura aura aura is this like the cut no the console what

0:58:25was it called oh yeah yeah yeah yeah how did you remember that we talked about it

0:58:33on a flashback episode at some point so it's in my head you know I figured that

0:58:37was the reason? This is not really an option for me for a bunch of reasons. A)

0:58:41it's $300 to start and I don't even wear a wedding band. I tattooed it on because

0:58:47I don't like things in my hands. Also something I've lost a lot of. A lot of

0:58:50wedding bands. And their FAQ says we actually don't recommend you wear this

0:58:56while lifting weights and I would say also bike riding wearing a ring is very

0:59:02uncomfortable and potentially dangerous. So not really an option for me but it is

0:59:06another alternative for some people. Might crush it. Mm-hmm. That's probably the

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1:01:24year but that has not stopped companies from announcing a whole bunch of stuff

1:01:28and Myke went out there he got a safari hat on and a vest and went hunting in

1:01:33the jungle of CES and has come back with some stories for us to talk about.

1:01:37Okay so MagSafe have created some... no wait I did that the wrong way around

1:01:43MagSafe haven't created pop sockets. Pop sockets have created their MagSafe

1:01:50compatible options and it looks like it sucks not what I wanted. It looks like just a pop

1:01:58socket on a base and then the base has a magnet in it and that's what you put on the phone.

1:02:04What I wanted was the ability to have some kind of pop socket that MagSafe charging will

1:02:10pass through. This does not look like that. These things are going to be on sale sometime

1:02:16in the spring. They have a bunch of different things that they're doing that will basically

1:02:22have different magnets in them. I will try this out though once I get it. I just want

1:02:29to see what it's all about. But this is not what I wanted. This is not what I wanted at

1:02:34all. So this is one I'd feared they would do and unfortunately it is what they have

1:02:41done.

1:02:42It's enormous.

1:02:43It's the size of the whole magnet cluster, right?

1:02:46The big oval.

1:02:48It's kind of like that Belkin thing, the car charger.

1:02:52If you drew an outline around the clear case, the circle

1:02:56and the little line, it covers all that stuff.

1:02:58Yeah.

1:02:59Yeah, it's probably about the size of the wallet,

1:03:03the little wallet, because that covers the whole magnet

1:03:06cluster too.

1:03:07The LG have a new monitor, which could

1:03:10be of interest to some Apple fans is a 31.5 inch ultrafine Pro has an OLED

1:03:18display a bunch of compatibility stuff is apparently 99% DCI p3 color with

1:03:26Adobe RGB color accuracy no word on pricing but an OLED display for Mac

1:03:33sounds kind of nice. Mm-hmm it's a 4k at 31.5 inches so the pixels per inch is

1:03:42lower than the 5k 27 inch iMac I guess definitely the of the 4k iMac because

1:03:49it's the same resolution just stretched out way bigger so it's not gonna be as

1:03:52dense as what Apple is doing but I still think it should look pretty good I think

1:03:57there are some people some Mac people who are really picky about what

1:04:02resolution and what screen size and maybe this falls outside of that for

1:04:06them but I think for most people this would be a nice option. Are you one of

1:04:10those people? I mean I can't judge anybody for their monitor choices so... No, I

1:04:15know that you have the silly monitor but is that is that why because you get

1:04:21wild about the... I mean I had the the LG Ultrafine 5k 27 inch at 5k looks great I

1:04:29I haven't used a 4K display this big, so I don't know, but there's some people who think

1:04:34it's too big for the resolution you get.

1:04:38Yeah, I have and it's fine for me, but I can't speak for everybody.

1:04:43Yeah, I'm sure.

1:04:44Because I have like a 30-inch 4K display from LG.

1:04:48I have the Ergo one and I like it.

1:04:50Yeah, well if that doesn't do it for you, Dell was crowned a CES Innovation Award honoree

1:04:58for the ultra sharp 40 curved WUHD so this is a curved 40 inch ultra wide at

1:05:09five sounds like a what like a lot 40 inches sounds like a lot that's like

1:05:17sitting inside the matrix enormous 140 pixels per inch it's a 5120 by 2160 so

1:05:28it is definitely less dense than a 27 inch 5k display but if you want a high

1:05:36higher density widescreen this might be a nice option also uses Thunderbolt so

1:05:42you get lots of good stuff 90 watt charging HDMI for another input

1:05:47Ethernet USB C and USB A so you could use this like a Thunderbolt dock right

1:05:53and just have one cable going to your MacBook Pro.

1:05:55It does cost $2,100, so there's that.

1:05:59- Yeah, the LG one, I don't know if I mentioned

1:06:01is they have not set any pricing.

1:06:04- Oh, do you mean it's probably gonna be $1,000 or more,

1:06:08maybe 1,200, I don't know.

1:06:09I don't know what OLED does at the price.

1:06:12- Probably more, I think puts it up quite a lot, I think.

1:06:17I think it's gonna be pretty expensive.

1:06:22This is one of particular interest to you Federico, I think, maybe of all of the things here.

1:06:28This is one of the more cool products that I've seen in this space.

1:06:33It's the Kensington Studio Dock for iPad Pro.

1:06:37It is a stand. I guess it's somewhat reminiscent of the Pro Display stand.

1:06:45It's basically just like a block in an L-shape.

1:06:49It allows for a vast array of expandability for the iPad Pro including three USB-A ports,

1:06:55one USB-C port, HDMI 2.0 port, 3.5mm headphone jack, SD card reader and gigabit ethernet

1:07:02port.

1:07:03You magnetically attach the iPad to the stand but then there's like this kind of USB-C thing

1:07:12that you kind of clamp into the side of it which provides you all the expandability.

1:07:17You can rotate the iPad into portrait or landscape orientation on the dock.

1:07:22The viewing angle can be adjusted, but not the height.

1:07:26It also has, this is a theme of stuff that we were talking about this week and a lot

1:07:30more in a minute, a built-in Qi charger in the foot, so you can charge your phone and

1:07:34your AirPods, it's big enough for two.

1:07:37You can get an optional Apple Watch charger for this thing as well.

1:07:41No pricing or availability details as of yet, but I think this product looks really great.

1:07:50My issue would be that it's not high enough.

1:07:52I would need to put it on top of something, but I would happily do that because from an

1:07:58expandability perspective and stuff, this is like if you are a person who uses an iPad

1:08:03like as a workstation, this really looks like a fantastic product.

1:08:08Yeah, it looks really nice.

1:08:10bad about the height adjustment. But everything else, I mean you combine this with a Magic

1:08:16keyboard and a Magic trackpad, it looks very nice.

1:08:21I would have to put this on one of those iMac stands or something. My iMac is on one of

1:08:27those stands, like the 12 cell stands or whatever. Because the iMac on its own is too low down.

1:08:36you need to raise it up for me to be ergonomically comfortable.

1:08:40But this is a product I would happily do that kind of thing for because I think everything

1:08:44else that it has around it is good.

1:08:45Yeah, you can get something nice and tasteful that fits in with Apple's overall design aesthetic

1:08:50like because this does it's like aluminium and stuff so you could very easily put the

1:08:54top of something it would be a higher eye level.

1:08:57I think this is a fantastic product.

1:08:59I don't know about you guys, when I see stuff like this I'm like do you know something I

1:09:02don't know?

1:09:03What do you mean?

1:09:05Kensington, like this is quite advanced as a package, right?

1:09:11How many iPad users need three USB-A ports, one USB-C port,

1:09:15HDMI 2.0 port, an SD card reader and gigabit ethernet for their iPad?

1:09:19What are you getting at?

1:09:20What I'm saying is I don't know.

1:09:23I'm just like, do you know, is Kensington aware of something that I'm not aware of

1:09:28when it comes to the iPad?

1:09:30I just think they want to give you all the options and ask you for a lot of money.

1:09:35That's probably it, right? But it's still, it's just like a, yeah, this is no availability or

1:09:40pricing details as of yet. But I think it's, I like to see stuff like this. I like to see

1:09:47the niches and the edge cases capable. Especially from a relatively well-known brand, not, you know,

1:09:53the unknown company that sometimes pops up at CES. And it's not a Kickstarter. I was gonna say,

1:10:00what was the Kickstarter that was sort of like this a few years ago? I don't remember. There's

1:10:04There's been a bunch of them.

1:10:05And also support for rotation in portrait mode.

1:10:09That's very nice because it gives you a lot of...

1:10:11Especially if you're a writer, for example, you get the tall page in front of you.

1:10:16That's a very nice touch.

1:10:17Yeah, this looks lovely.

1:10:19Too bad.

1:10:20It's a cool product.

1:10:21Yeah, too bad I don't have enough room on my desk.

1:10:22Maybe I should move things around.

1:10:24You could make room for something like this.

1:10:26Yeah, probably.

1:10:27I thought you were going to say maybe you should move, like to a bigger place.

1:10:31You should move.

1:10:32Well, that's another discussion.

1:10:34yes also also that. Loads of new MagSafe charging accessories basically tons more

1:10:40docks so Anker have more if you want another Anker dock you can get that it's

1:10:45basically very similar to the one we spoke about last time Belkin you know

1:10:49it's got all of the drawbacks that the Anker one has right? The the one thing I

1:10:54believe Anker announced that I really want is the MagSafe external battery

1:11:00pack. I believe it's made... I did not see that. There is, I believe it's somewhere in

1:11:07the roundup that we did, in fact, a few minutes ago on Mac stories. John put it together.

1:11:12I am almost, I mean, I've seen it. So let's see, Apple product accessories. There is one

1:11:21that I really want. Let's see. Available... I don't see this. Available, yeah, there's

1:11:28There's a link to MacRumors, available in February. It's a MagSafe battery, 10,000 mAh

1:11:38per battery. Is it real MagSafe or fake MagSafe though? Because Anker are making all fake

1:11:43MagSafe products at the moment. It's going to be another fake MagSafe, isn't it? Slow

1:11:47charging. Well it doesn't have to be, it doesn't have to be, but it seems like that's what

1:11:53they've been doing. It's still gonna attach magnetically, so whatever, right? It's still

1:11:58gonna charge your phone. Yeah, 7.5 watts. So it's just Qi charging with a magnet. But

1:12:05yeah, it's nice. I guess it would be even nicer to have an actual MagSafe battery that

1:12:11charges at 15. That would be sweet. And you attach it and you pop it on and you charge

1:12:16your phone and then you remove it. That would be extra sweet. In the meantime we have the

1:12:20the Anker version I guess. So the Anker doing that, they have a dock now, it also has an

1:12:25Apple Watch charging puck on it as well, so you can charge three things at once. The Anker

1:12:31one here that is in the Link in the Shower, I really don't like the look of this one.

1:12:36It looks almost like alien-like to me in a weird way. Do you see it? It's got a base

1:12:42which is black and then it has a kind of a stand that goes up and it has the Anker puck

1:12:48on it but there's just something I don't know why I just find it kind of strange looking.

1:12:52I don't like that one. Belkin are back with some more products. They are also creating their own

1:12:59stand. This is a very popular arrangement. It's a stand that has a mag safe on the top and you

1:13:05put the iPhone on that and then you have a Qi charger on the base which you can charge your

1:13:09AirPods on. This is a $100 version and it is an official product so it has the full 15 watt

1:13:16charging unlike the Anker ones and unlike there's one from Satechi as well which is cheaper which is

1:13:22$59 I think it's the cheapest of these types of products again it has a Qi charger in the base of

1:13:28it and then kind of a stand that you put the phone onto and you can go into portrait landscape

1:13:33but that is seven watts but Belkin is working with Apple and getting all the certifications that they

1:13:39need or whatever so they can do the full 15 watt charging on their one. The last is Grovemade this

1:13:46is a bring your own magsafe charger so it's just a stand and then you bring your own magsafe

1:13:52puck and put it in there. This is $120. This is another wooden thing isn't it? Yes it's

1:13:59a wooden thing. This is GroveMates whole thing. It's wood and metal. It's steel, the base

1:14:04is steel and they have two different wood finishes and you put your own magsafe charger

1:14:10into it. This one's very expensive, $120 and then you've got to bring the thing but if

1:14:16this is your aesthetic, it's a nice option.

1:14:19If it's your aesthetic, go buy something cheaper from Studio Neat.

1:14:23Yeah, but Studio Neat, I like the Studio Neats one, we just got them, but they don't have

1:14:29a stand version, right? Those are all laid down.

1:14:32Yeah, I just, my wife, Marius, had the MagSafe Studio Neat one for a while and mine finally

1:14:37came in and it is really nice because I keep my phone on my nightstand. I know not everyone

1:14:41does, not everyone should, but it's really nice to like be able to just kind of get the

1:14:47phone near it and you know that you're charging it because the magnet locked it in. This last

1:14:51one makes me very uncomfortable.

1:14:53Yeah, so this is my left field one. This is my like, we're going to talk about something

1:14:57completely different.

1:14:59This is your weird CES pick.

1:15:02This is my weird CES pick, which...

1:15:05Alright so Razer, the hardware maker of mostly PC focused products have created a face mask

1:15:16concept called Project Hazel.

1:15:18They're showing it off at CES.

1:15:21It is a reusable N95 grade face mask and shield.

1:15:26The face mask part is transparent and Razer is saying this so you can still see somebody

1:15:31talking, you can see the words that they're saying and you can see the faces that they're

1:15:35making, which is nice. It has two ventilators/filters on the front, on the sides. They have a bunch

1:15:43of different purposes. They're ventilating the air that comes in and also sending air

1:15:49out as well so you're getting fresh air in the mask because it's made of hard materials,

1:15:58It's less breathable, right? So you've kind of got to have some kind of ventilation system

1:16:02going on here. But these ventilators also have a... They're speakers. Because they're...

1:16:10Wait for it. There's a microphone inside the mask. There's speakers on the outside. So

1:16:16you can talk and people can hear you and you're not muffled because you're wearing a plastic

1:16:22like hard mask.

1:16:25But why?

1:16:26Well, hold on a minute. Hold on a minute. Of course it has RGB support and they're working on a case

1:16:33option which has a UV light in it for sterilization. So I want to just try and give

1:16:41the use case for you here, all right? So this is a product of now and maybe into the future,

1:16:50as if this is a thing that people are going to keep doing, and it's trying to solve two

1:16:57potential issues, maybe three. One, it's a reusable product and it has

1:17:04sterilization and it stops the issues of not being able to maybe hear someone clearly or not

1:17:13being able to understand them because you can't read their lips as they're talking.

1:17:17It's not a massive problem to solve, I think, but if you are a hardware company, it's maybe

1:17:26like a cool tech thing to do.

1:17:29And I guess obviously it has RGB on it, so you'd look cool at a rave, I suppose.

1:17:35Oh boy.

1:17:36This isn't a-

1:17:37All I'm going to say is, I wouldn't necessarily rule out all products like this.

1:17:42I don't think this is the one for me, but I could imagine a future where we have products

1:17:47that are like this one.

1:17:49- Is it, but this isn't an actual product yet.

1:17:51This is a CES demo.

1:17:54- Not yet, it's a concept, but they're working on it.

1:17:58They're saying that they're trying to make it happen.

1:18:01- I don't want to comment on it

1:18:04because that'll sound too harsh.

1:18:07- I want you to comment on it.

1:18:08- No, I think it's-- - Comment on it.

1:18:10- Commandable, that they're trying to do the reusable thing.

1:18:17And the accessibility angle for hearing and the microphone, I get it.

1:18:22That's very cool.

1:18:24But also, and I'm going to put it bluntly, I don't want to look like an idiot going out with this mask.

1:18:31You would draw a lot of attention to yourself, yes.

1:18:34It's like, look, the nerds are out of their cages and they're wearing robo-masks.

1:18:40It's like, no, no thanks.

1:18:41The thing on that though, I agree with you for now.

1:18:45let's look a few years into the future from now.

1:18:48Yeah, hopefully we're not wearing them anymore.

1:18:51Well, but we might choose to, is the thing.

1:18:55Different cultures, I understand, but the SARS epidemic in Asia

1:19:01created the cultural norm of wearing masks

1:19:07when you felt slightly under the weather.

1:19:11And I can already tell you that as soon as we get vaccinated here in Italy,

1:19:15nobody's ever gonna wear a hat again.

1:19:16- Nobody's gonna do it, yeah.

1:19:18That's my, 'cause I would like to,

1:19:19and my plan is to continue to be that kind of person,

1:19:24because I like wearing them,

1:19:26and I think that they're,

1:19:27I know that there are health benefits.

1:19:29- You do?

1:19:30- Yeah, yeah.

1:19:31I don't dislike masks,

1:19:33and I like the idea of them into the future.

1:19:36Like if I'm going on public transport,

1:19:39I intend to wear them.

1:19:40Like that's, I would like to be able to continue doing that,

1:19:44But I just, as you say, I'm not sure what the rest of the world is going to do after

1:19:48that point.

1:19:49I mean I wear them because I'm not stupid, but I don't like it.

1:19:55I think my thing is I don't dislike it, right?

1:19:57I'm not like, "Ooh, please let me put a mask on today!"

1:20:00I'm not looking forward to it every day, but it's like I don't look forward to wearing

1:20:07a scarf, right?

1:20:09But when it's cold, I'll wear one.

1:20:11Yeah, I just want to go back to the way things used to be.

1:20:15Like, honestly.

1:20:18Of course you do, right? Like, why wouldn't you?

1:20:20But I'm not confident that everything is going to go back to the way it used to be.

1:20:25Yeah, I know. I know. But still...

1:20:28But still.

1:20:29Going out and wearing that type of mask...

1:20:33Mm.

1:20:34You know, I've never watched a Batman movie in full,

1:20:38but this reminds me of that guy, what's his name?

1:20:41Bane?

1:20:42- Bane.

1:20:43- Yeah.

1:20:44You know, it's--

1:20:45- I was born in the darkness.

1:20:48- Yeah.

1:20:49- Born in the darkness.

1:20:50- And the RGB, I mean, come on.

1:20:53- Well, I mean, of course he's got RGB on it.

1:20:55If anything, that's tasteful for Razer, right?

1:20:58If they didn't put RGB on it,

1:21:00there'd be more headlines about the fact that they hadn't,

1:21:02but you can also turn it off.

1:21:03But like, they have to put RGB on it.

1:21:05- Thank you.

1:21:06Thank you, Razer.

1:21:07Thank you, Razer.

1:21:08were merely shaped by the RGB.

1:21:11- Right, you've been like a, it's Razer, right?

1:21:13Like they have to put RGB on it.

1:21:15- Yeah, well.

1:21:16- It's who they are.

1:21:17- I think that's it.

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1:21:42This week we talked about Federico's switch to a different music streaming service. It's

1:21:47a lot of fun. Federico loves Deezer.

1:21:49I subscribed to the... Are you guys familiar with the music streaming service for live,

1:21:56for concerts called nuggs.net? No.

1:22:01It's a thing! It exists! It's called nuggs. Is that an S or a Z?

1:22:04NUGS.net. Wait, nugs.net isn't anything. Oh, it's 1G. N-U-G-S dot net. Live on, I bet

1:22:18they've had a great year. Yeah, that's my new streaming service. No, it's not, but still,

1:22:24it's a thing that exists. Alright, now we know. NUGS. Well, you know, actually, you

1:22:29You mentioned this is, I'm sorry for driving this off the rails again. I did try Tidal

1:22:35for a couple of weeks during my holiday break.

1:22:38Mmm, I figured you would. Why wouldn't you? You're a audio file hi-fi boy, you know, Tidal

1:22:45seems like the right call for you.

1:22:48I did try it. And I'll tell you what.

1:22:50And what would you think of it?

1:22:51The app is not too bad.

1:22:53Looks nice.

1:22:54It looks very nice, it's very nice.

1:22:56Yeah.

1:22:57But...

1:22:58I'm looking at the web page right now.

1:22:59It looks like a mixture between Apple Music and Spotify.

1:23:03- Yes, absolutely.

1:23:04That's what it is.

1:23:05It's got more personality to it than Spotify.

1:23:07I think they do a pretty good job.

1:23:08- So why did you not land on Tidal then?

1:23:10- Well, do you wanna have another topic

1:23:13for the next pre-show or not?

1:23:15- Yes, save it for next week.

1:23:16- Yeah. - Okay.

1:23:17- Cool. - All right.

1:23:18All right, you can find us all online.

1:23:20Federico is on Twitter @Vittici, V-I-T-I-C-C-I,

1:23:24and he is the editor-in-chief of MacStories.net.

1:23:28Federico, I have a question for you.

1:23:30- Okay.

1:23:31- What is the most beautiful view you've ever seen?

1:23:34- Very easy.

1:23:36There's this, by the Amalfi Coast,

1:23:39there's this small town called Ravelo,

1:23:43and there's the Belvedere Ravelo,

1:23:46that you can see a long stretch of the Amalfi Coast,

1:23:50and it's just breathtaking.

1:23:52I will try and find the picture for you

1:23:57that I took with Sylvia.

1:23:59The first time we went,

1:24:00I was actually undergoing chemo at that point,

1:24:03and my doctor was really upset

1:24:05that I went on vacation regardless.

1:24:07But it's an absolutely amazing view.

1:24:10Let's see if I can find it.

1:24:11Yeah, thank you, iPhone search.

1:24:14And I will send you both the photo right away on iMessage.

1:24:19And that was in 2012.

1:24:22Yeah, you can see the,

1:24:23basically the first half of the Amalfi Coast.

1:24:26Yeah, and in person it's like...

1:24:29It's attractive.

1:24:30It's amazing. Really, really amazing view.

1:24:33It's got that very like, Italian architecture dotted all over the place too.

1:24:38Yeah, yeah.

1:24:39Which is not like what you see in Rome, alright? It's just different. It's that kind of like,

1:24:44small town architecture.

1:24:46Yeah, the Amalficos, that's exactly what the Amalficos is, right? It's a series of very,

1:24:51small towns right next to each other. Right. So you got my yori minority, you got, um,

1:24:56uh, a Murphy of course. And, uh, you know, going all the way to the, to the other end

1:25:02of the coast, which is positano, which is possibly my favorite place in Italy. We've

1:25:08been twice there. And positon is just an incredible place. Uh, lots of Americans, they go to positano

1:25:16to like to get married, you know, that kind of stuff. It just, it feels like, like when,

1:25:21you arrive in Positano, it feels like a fake place. Just, it's so beautiful, it doesn't

1:25:25feel real. Funny story, and this is going outside of your questions even, but one time,

1:25:32Silvia and I, that was before we had Zelda and Ginger, we were in Positano and it started,

1:25:38like, we were out at dinner and this, basically this thunderstorm started happening when we

1:25:46were walking back from the restaurant.

1:25:49And it was like super scary, these extremely strong winds

1:25:53and this rain just pouring down.

1:25:56And we were basically desperate to find--

1:25:59there were bicycles flying and all kinds of things

1:26:04just being destroyed by the wind.

1:26:07And we basically asked for refuge in a,

1:26:11in an, in a, in a, like a,

1:26:14like a shoe store. And we were so scared.

1:26:19I believe the owners, like it was this small family, all, you know,

1:26:23the owners of this store,

1:26:25they were looking at us effectively being terrorized by this storm.

1:26:30I believe they were making fun of us. And we were like, Oh my God,

1:26:35thank you so much for saving us. Thank you for taking us in. And these people were looking

1:26:41at us and thinking, look at these two idiots. They've probably never been...

1:26:45Well, no, you know what they were thinking. You know the like, Romans, right?

1:26:51Also that, also that. But you know how it ended up? They sold us an umbrella.

1:26:57Perfect.

1:26:59They smelled the business opportunities like, hey, you guys in need of an umbrella?

1:27:04Big city kids like you just walking in there all the time.

1:27:09About that, one last thing about Amalfi.

1:27:11There's a keycap set themed on the Amalfi Coast, Federico.

1:27:16What?

1:27:17Like, I put it in the Discord.

1:27:19It's called Infinike Amalfi.

1:27:21Where is it?

1:27:23And they have like little keys that say "Ciao" on them and stuff.

1:27:26Oh, that's beautiful.

1:27:28And they got lemons, like some of the novelties are lemons.

1:27:32Oh, that's pretty.

1:27:33Right? Isn't that nice? Very nice. Very nice. I'm out for keycaps.

1:27:38Oh, that's pretty. I love it.

1:27:40You can find Myke on Twitter as @IMYKE. And Myke is the host of a bunch of shows here

1:27:49on Relay FM. Anything you want to plug, Myke?

1:27:54Not really.

1:27:55Well, Myke does other stuff. You could probably figure out where those things are.

1:27:58Yeah. I'm all over the place.

1:28:00over the place you can find me on Twitter as ismh my writing at 512 pixels.net

1:28:05oh I have something I'd like to plug you missed your shot man it's for you to get

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