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0:00:19My name is Steven Hackett and it is an odd episode.
0:00:21So Myke Hurley is announced first.
0:00:23- Hi.
0:00:24- Hello.
0:00:25- No, I was waiting for you to go for Federico.
0:00:29Am I supposed to say something? I don't know be like hey Steven. How are you? I've missed you since last time
0:00:35I saw Stephen. How are you? I missed you. I'm pretty good. I miss you, too
0:00:40That's nice, and we're joined by mr. Federica Vatici. Hello. Hi. How are you? See that's the way you introduce yourself
0:00:47Mm-hmm. I also have an opening statement
0:00:51I'm very hungry
0:00:53Okay. Yes a good statement. Yeah, just a statement
0:00:57I didn't say that it was a topical statement just a statement or a good one. Yeah, I'll edit out the
0:01:04Stomach noises
0:01:07Thank you, that was stomach sounds
0:01:10Sure sure
0:01:13We have some
0:01:17Ricky's follow-up that we got to read the rules
0:01:21Jimmy read him
0:01:24Yeah
0:01:26No, no, no, no, no, no.
0:01:28Do we have Reekies today? No, we don't have Reekies today, right?
0:01:30I mean, who knows anymore?
0:01:32But first, many people
0:01:35want us to do three normal rounds and then the risky picks. They say that just the two picks makes it too easy.
0:01:42I was in the shower today.
0:01:45Oh.
0:01:46Thinking and arguing with myself and the audience about this notion.
0:01:51Okay.
0:01:51Because I'd read the show notes in the morning and then it popped into my head later on.
0:01:55That there are people that want us to do three normal rounds and then also have the Riki's.
0:02:01And then the flexies.
0:02:03And then the flexies. It's a bad idea because then we're just becoming regular predictions show,
0:02:10right? The whole point of the Riki's is that the risky pick means win or lose.
0:02:17Yeah.
0:02:18Right? And if we have more points, there's more opportunity to win without the Riki
0:02:24ever playing a part in it. Like having there be three total is it three total points? Who knows?
0:02:31Read the rules! Is it three total points? You can. Three total points. You can walk away with
0:02:37four points if you get round one and two correct and you're risky. Right, but you can then also
0:02:43lose you but you lose one point so you can end up anywhere between one to four. Zero. Zero and yeah
0:02:50Yeah, yeah, one and four.
0:02:52Yeah, if you get anything right.
0:02:54But then, you know, if we add in another one,
0:02:56it ends up with the ability for people to more easily win
0:03:01without the Ricky being involved.
0:03:03I like the way it is, because as well,
0:03:07then we're just doing three rounds of regular-ish picks
0:03:10as well, which makes it like every other predictions show
0:03:13that you're gonna hear in the week leading up to WWDC.
0:03:17Well, I added an extra W in there.
0:03:20The really worldwide WDC.
0:03:23Or any event, right? So I like it the way it is, we like it the way it is, there's a reason for it.
0:03:29I'm afraid we're not changing.
0:03:31This is too long of an explanation. The thing is, the rules are right and many people are wrong.
0:03:34Clearly the rules have undergone a lot of debate and discussion.
0:03:38Obviously this stuff doesn't just happen naturally.
0:03:41We believe our system is correct.
0:03:44Look, it's not like even we came up with the rules, right?
0:03:48I think I remember there's a quote from Bono before the days that he became friends with
0:03:54Tim Cook, and he said something along the lines of that when he wrote songs, it was
0:03:59like God entered the room, right? And in a way, the Bill of Rickeys was written this
0:04:03way. It's not like Myke and Steven and Federico individually came up with the rules. It's
0:04:07like a presence walked into the podcast. The presence was Ricky. Ricky came in. Ricky,
0:04:12Ricky, this figure, walked into the conversation and we were blessed with the rules. So how
0:04:17How can you argue with that?
0:04:19You also can't be upset at us because it was all seeing Ricky that gave us the rules.
0:04:24Be upset at Ricky?
0:04:25I don't know.
0:04:26I don't know what to do.
0:04:29Wow.
0:04:30So yeah, so that settles it.
0:04:31We three are in agreement on this.
0:04:33We've talked about this ourselves several times in the past.
0:04:37And yeah, the big thing is it demotes the strength of the Ricky pick, the risky pick,
0:04:45the Ricky's Ricky pick.
0:04:47And that should be like a grenade going off in your picks.
0:04:50So that's what we want.
0:04:51All right, we did I know this is unusual, but on occasion, we update the rules for the
0:04:58Ricky's every seven or eight years, we tweak something.
0:05:04And there is a PDF document of the Ricky's that was created by listener Mathis.
0:05:13And it has been updated with some of the changes we made, but as Myke pointed out, they have
0:05:21a little more work to do.
0:05:23Yeah, so Matthias had actually, this is kind of unfortunate really, you may remember Matthias
0:05:29had created a very, very beautiful looking document that we, that looks like, you know,
0:05:36the obviously original document on nice old parchment paper, or like that paper that you
0:05:42stained with a tea bag when you're a kid or coffee granules I guess if you're an American.
0:05:48And this is kind of, you know, the rare occurrence that we do update the rules.
0:05:53Matthias had given us a new version of the rules including all of the flexi amendments
0:06:00on the morning of our last episode, the 14th, where on that episode another amendment was
0:06:08made.
0:06:09So unfortunately this document is only partly correct because the newest amendment is the
0:06:14idea that the picks are valid from when the event begins, not when the episode ends.
0:06:24So, sorry!
0:06:27Please do more.
0:06:28We love you!
0:06:29I guess.
0:06:30Thank you, Matthias.
0:06:31We'll put the link in the show notes, it's very beautiful to read through, but it's incomplete.
0:06:36I'm super glad none of us got the rules tattooed on our legs like we talked about.
0:06:40Yep, and I'm also really, I mean of course we're not going to have to do this again soon,
0:06:44so I can't imagine there being any more rules to come up with.
0:06:48So I think we're fine there.
0:06:50I mean there's definitely one more event, right?
0:06:53Oh 100%, yeah.
0:06:54There's one in November.
0:06:57I would like to just again put my flag in the ground.
0:07:01I reckon it's going to be the 10th.
0:07:06November 17th. Well, the event, yes. The 10th. I think so.
0:07:10Is either the 10th or the 17th, right? I think the release, OS release is maybe on the 17th.
0:07:15Oh, you know what? I bet it's going to be the 10th is the event, because if they release
0:07:20products at the end of the week, they're going up against Black Friday if they do it on the
0:07:2417th.
0:07:25And then American Thanksgiving's right after that.
0:07:26Well, no. Black Friday is after Thanksgiving.
0:07:30Right before, yes. It's all together in the soup that is the end of November.
0:07:34It's almost like they're connected.
0:07:37Hey, that's the name of the show.
0:07:38Hey-o, buns.
0:07:40Yeah, so I reckon November 10th.
0:07:42Branson's saying, "Isn't the 17th a Saturday?"
0:07:45I don't know, there's no way to know.
0:07:48Branson, I don't know what month you're looking in.
0:07:50You're looking at the 17th of October,
0:07:52which was a week ago.
0:07:53The chat room was lost there.
0:07:56Yeah, so Apple event, we're thinking Tuesday, November 10th.
0:08:01Yeah.
0:08:01I could go with that, it's the day before Veterans Day.
0:08:04I will only believe it when Twitter user love to dream will tweet it.
0:08:11The known leaker.
0:08:13In my dream Apple event November 10.
0:08:17I'll only believe it when the invites go out. How about that?
0:08:20Look at you, Mr. Fancy.
0:08:23Federico, your review has been out in the world for a week.
0:08:28You remember that?
0:08:29Yeah.
0:08:29Yes.
0:08:30How'd it do? Like, do you have anything you want to share now that it's been up for a bit?
0:08:34It went really well. I'm really happy with it. The numbers are looking good and the page
0:08:39views are looking good, the CDN costs are looking horrible, so that's a good sign. And
0:08:45the club signups are looking really good, so I'm happy with it. Obviously, I think a
0:08:52lot, you know, I've seen a lot of comments from people on Reddit and Twitter saying "I'm
0:08:56not interested now because I've been using iOS 14 for a month", which I think is funny
0:09:01because you're still tweeting about it, so I guess thank you anyway. Like if you
0:09:05quote tweet my tweet about the review saying I don't care about this, you're
0:09:10still sharing my link. Yes, much appreciated. So thank you anyway, but I
0:09:16think the experiment has been successful in the sense that people still paid
0:09:20attention, I guess, and that's a very good sign. And obviously, like, ideally I would
0:09:27like to go back to publishing on the day that iOS comes out and I'm gonna try next year,
0:09:34but now I know that even if I'm not able to make it by launch day, it's still gonna be
0:09:39fine. Even a month later, like not even a week or two weeks, I published a month after
0:09:44the release of iOS 14, and it's been fine. Because these reviews have their own audience,
0:09:49I guess, at this point. So, yeah, I'm really happy with how it went and I was really tired
0:09:55the next couple of days, but then I needed to go back to work. So sort of that energy
0:10:00from the review crossed over into the iPad Air review, which we're going to talk about
0:10:06later.
0:10:07But yeah, I'm happy with it. And people really responded well to the graphics that we did
0:10:13and the animation, the 3D graphics and the animation, which we discussed last week. And
0:10:17yeah, also the response to the ebooks that we've done, multiple ebooks, that was really
0:10:22positive. So I think it's something we're going to continue doing, especially extracting
0:10:27some tips, some specific features from iOS and iPadOS and turning those into a second
0:10:32ebook just for people who just want to know those details. So it went well and we're really
0:10:38happy.
0:10:39That's really good. That's really very good. Very pleased.
0:10:41Myke, it is time for your TVOS review.
0:10:45Unfortunately not.
0:10:46Oh, come on.
0:10:48I know. Well look, the iPhone 12 embargo is up, so we need to talk about those.
0:10:52And then I guess next week, at least some of us here will have some phones. We'll talk about that
0:10:58later in a little bit I think. And then also, upon the request of a friend of the show, enemy of the
0:11:05show Jason Snell, Jason recommended to me on upgrade this week that I wait for 14.2.
0:11:11Because there are some changes coming to tvOS and like the HomePod and stuff,
0:11:16that's probably a good thing to wait. So I actually think it's probably for the best to
0:11:21wait for 14.2 to come out now. So I can have a really comprehensive review. Comprehensive.
0:11:27Comprehensive. Full of features. To be honest though, it is worth waiting because I still don't
0:11:35even think YouTube is 4k yet. It's coming. I haven't seen it. I've gotten 1440p and is it 2160?
0:11:43is that the number? I don't remember. That's come back on my iPhone again. During the beta
0:11:48period I could watch higher than 1080 on my phone. Then when 14 came out it went away
0:11:54and then like a couple of days ago it came back again. So I think Google's doing whatever
0:11:59is their need to do again on their end to get ready to push that out. So there you go.
0:12:04But yeah of course the review is in the works but now needs to be beefed up with the features
0:12:09of 14.2.
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0:13:48flip-flop
0:13:50No
0:13:52thong sandal
0:13:54Flip-flopped thong sandal. You flip-flopped already captain flip-flop
0:14:01So Steven, how's the how you excited about putting a pre-order in for a Pro Max like we spoke about last time?
0:14:08Oh, yeah. Well, I got a I got a phone coming on Friday. So Oh flip-flop. Oh, hold on. So I
0:14:14Before we get into these details. I am putting out a call
0:14:17to our listeners
0:14:20Somebody needs to make a timeline of Steven's flip-flopping here. And if you can please use the Westworld
0:14:28timeline they did it for like season three showing like all the different events that occurred in the timeline
0:14:34I think like before season three aired they had like this video or like promo
0:14:39teaser whatever showing like all the different events in a timeline and I feel like that would be really beautiful with Steven's
0:14:46flip-flopping for different iPhones he's gonna buy
0:14:49So if somebody can make that we're gonna use it in the show notes. Thank you
0:14:53flip-flop
0:14:55Donk's needle. So what happened between
0:14:58Wednesday and Friday.
0:15:00So Wednesday after the show,
0:15:02I went on vacation with my family.
0:15:03It was a fantastic vacation.
0:15:04The best vacation I've had.
0:15:06Congratulations.
0:15:06In years.
0:15:07And I had my 11 Pro with me.
0:15:09I took my iPad mini,
0:15:11actually finished Federico's review on vacation.
0:15:13And I was like, well, I'm gonna order the phone.
0:15:17We talked last week about how I was gonna give John
0:15:20like my credit card and then the max was delayed.
0:15:24So I wasn't gonna have to order on vacation.
0:15:27And I really just, you know, I was in the woods, right?
0:15:31I was one with nature.
0:15:33- One with nature, what does that mean?
0:15:36(laughing)
0:15:37- It means I was one with nature, man.
0:15:39And nature told me that I would be unhappy
0:15:44with the max size.
0:15:45- Did you happen to eat any mushrooms when you were like,
0:15:48foraging in nature or anything?
0:15:52- What's the name of that thing that people do
0:15:54would like into a tent with lots of like... with like... no no no no like a vision
0:16:02quest and there's like a tent and there's like... Oh, Natric like Ayahuasca and stuff?
0:16:07Yeah, yes! Was it like... is that what you mean by being one with nature, Steven?
0:16:15I mean I had my young children with me so... Yes, a sweat lodge, thank you.
0:16:20A sweat lodge.
0:16:21A sweat lodge.
0:16:22Did you go to Burning Man?
0:16:24Is that what you were?
0:16:27It's a single person Burning Man.
0:16:30It's a Burning Person.
0:16:33Socially distant Burning Man.
0:16:35Anyway, so I just, I really remembered that the 10S Max, I just, I didn't like the size
0:16:40at all.
0:16:41And I thought for something that I carry with me and is in my pocket all the time, the size
0:16:46is a really important thing.
0:16:48So I ended up going with the 12 Pro.
0:16:54It shows up on Friday.
0:16:55It left Alaska yesterday at some point.
0:16:59And yeah, I'm excited to get it.
0:17:01You know, we're going to talk about all the reviews and stuff in a little while, but it
0:17:05seems like it is an improvement over the camera I have and I feel good about it.
0:17:11You're going to regret this.
0:17:12I really feel that you will.
0:17:14Like this was the whole reason in the first place.
0:17:17I am very confident that in, what, two weeks time when the reviews will drop, I bet that
0:17:26you're going to feel like you wish you would have waited.
0:17:30I can't believe you've done this.
0:17:33This really does, I mean, I feel like I say this a lot when you do this, this like sets
0:17:37a new standard for your flip-flopping.
0:17:39This is like the show is making itself.
0:17:42We didn't even have to do anything, Myke and I.
0:17:45You have done this to yourself.
0:17:47You just make it happen.
0:17:50Oh my god, this is incredible.
0:17:52VVeg in the Discord does point out that the return policy ends the day before you can
0:17:56pre-order the max.
0:17:59So we already know all the events that are going to happen.
0:18:05This is just perfect.
0:18:07It's a beautiful thing you've done, Steven, for the show.
0:18:10Not even for yourself.
0:18:11What are you going to do with your old phone?
0:18:13It's just, it's here.
0:18:15I don't have a place for it to live yet.
0:18:17- Now you see, this is it, Federico.
0:18:19This is his get out of jail free card here.
0:18:22So Steven will get the new phone on Friday.
0:18:25He'll be really happy.
0:18:27- Yes.
0:18:28- Then the reviews of the new one will come out.
0:18:30- Yes.
0:18:31- He'll be really sad.
0:18:31- Yes.
0:18:32- He'll take his SIM out of his new phone,
0:18:34put it back in his old phone.
0:18:36I guess get somebody to take the old phone back for him
0:18:40because it'll be bed-banded 'cause you're having a surgery.
0:18:43- Yes.
0:18:44and then pre-order the new one.
0:18:49They can come pick it up for you.
0:18:50I think at least in Italy, they can come pick it up for you.
0:18:52You don't even have to go anywhere.
0:18:53Look at that.
0:18:54Don't tell him things like that.
0:18:55This is just adding fuel to the fire over there.
0:18:57No, I mean, there's nothing we can do at this point, right?
0:19:00The wheels are in motion, and Steven
0:19:01is getting multiple iPhones.
0:19:03Like, there's literally nothing we can do, and this is perfect.
0:19:06This is perfection.
0:19:07This is podcast perfection, if I've ever seen it.
0:19:11Or even more so, the reviews come out,
0:19:14he decides for a fleeting moment to get a mini. No, no, no, no, no. No. I think the
0:19:20other... I mean, who can tell though? The other potential outcome is that it's gonna
0:19:23keep both for a while and maybe try and sell the 12 Pro or return the Pro Max if he really
0:19:33doesn't like it. I don't know, Steven, you were talking about you. What's your opinion?
0:19:39just speculating here. I mean as the chat room and you know discord point points out
0:19:43you know I did I did give up the max because it was too big and that my hands haven't changed
0:19:51size you know. Right but it was I think the problem was maybe it was too big for no difference.
0:20:02And your your thought is that the camera would be enough for me to get over the dissatisfaction
0:20:08with the size. Yes. That is definitely what I think will be the case. I will say there's
0:20:17people also in the discord and y'all talking about the mini. So my wife has expressed interest
0:20:22in the mini, which I did not expect. She really likes touch ID, but she likes that have a
0:20:26smaller phone than her second gen SE. So there may be a mini coming to our house, which I
0:20:33mean, that's like the perfect phone for Mary, right? Because what was the phone that Mary
0:20:38moved to before going down to the SE? She had the 8 and then went to the SE.
0:20:44Right. So it was the same size. Kate has pointed out in the chat room, Stephen can
0:20:50get a mini and if he doesn't like it can give it to Mary. Yeah. So this is how
0:20:54all those rolls are. I would just like to make a point here, I don't know if
0:20:59you've considered, what was the last large phone you had? The 10s max. Before
0:21:05the XS Max. The whatever the 7 plus. 8 plus? 7 plus. 7 plus? So I went 7 plus to 10. So you went
0:21:11from 7 plus to 10. Were you upset with the 7 plus at all to your memory? No.
0:21:16Because the 11 Pro Max is actually ever so slightly smaller than 7 plus. But the
0:21:22screen is so much bigger, the reach. Ah yes. Is what kills us. But you might have that problem and I
0:21:29think you may very well have that problem with the with the 12 Pro because
0:21:36the screen is bigger. Yeah we'll see. It's only a little bit taller. Not not
0:21:42huge. We'll follow up in a couple weeks. We will. Max safe stuff showed up it
0:21:50seems really cool the clear case is really ugly on the back. It's an
0:21:55abomination. That's what it is. What I want is a battery case with this that I can just
0:22:00magnetize onto my phone and it doesn't add all the height that the current one does because the
0:22:04current one you have the the lightning port you've got to like line up and get in and I think it'd be
0:22:10awesome to have just a magsafe battery case. Yeah I can see that. I assume they will do that. Yeah.
0:22:17I don't know why exactly like I figure we can assume why Apple doesn't release the battery cases
0:22:22at the same time, but I don't really know who that is to service other than themselves.
0:22:28Because they don't release the battery cases you'd assume at the same time because they
0:22:32want people to think that the batteries are fine and you don't need one.
0:22:36But I don't get the long term thinking of that.
0:22:41People want it, just let them buy it.
0:22:43If you're going to make it anyway, why do you make them wait?
0:22:46Because if you're coming from the battery case lifestyle, you've got a battery case
0:22:51your current phone and you live the battery case life, you will be dissatisfied by the
0:22:57battery life in the new phone that you're getting.
0:22:59Right, because you're used to twice that.
0:23:01Yeah, there's nothing Apple can do to double the battery life in the next phone.
0:23:06So you may as well just release them all at the same time.
0:23:10I don't like realistically, I'm not sure why they why they wait out like that.
0:23:15I don't know.
0:23:16Or maybe they just assume that people that get the battery case by and large are holding
0:23:20onto the phones for longer maybe so they're not upgrading every year I don't know but
0:23:25still I just think they may as well release those battery cases along with the phones.
0:23:33Alright I have another dilemma for y'all.
0:23:35Okay oh oh I got well just while we're on the the idea of all that stuff coming in so
0:23:41We um, I will be assisting the possession of a 12 pro this week. So Adina got a 12 pro
0:23:52in blue, which we're getting on Friday. We're actually going to the Apple store to pick
0:23:57it up. No. Yep. We're going to see what that's like. Okay. All right. That's the plan. Uh,
0:24:06we, we're going to, my understanding of the pickup process, especially in London is it's
0:24:11been done outside. It's what they've been doing before. So we're just gonna see what
0:24:14that's like. We're gonna go to the Apple Store on iPhone launch day and pick up a phone.
0:24:22So wish us luck I guess, but that's what we're doing. And so I'm intrigued. We've got the
0:24:29case that's come in. We've got one of the plum cases. The cases are nice, but immediately
0:24:37like when picking up the case it's like oh that feels different because the edges are
0:24:42all flat and stuff so I'm very excited for this new phone from a physical standpoint.
0:24:49We also ordered two of the MagSafe things but they come next week.
0:24:54Yeah I did a twitch stream about it but the MagSafe is about the same size as the AirPods
0:25:00case like the surface of the MagSafe which makes sense right it's about the width of
0:25:04the back of the phone, but it was very strange to unbox it because it's like an Apple Watch
0:25:09charger that got steam-rollered.
0:25:11Like squished flatter and thinner.
0:25:14But it's cool, I think MagSafe's going to be great.
0:25:16I'm going to replace the Mophie charger on my desk with the MagSafe charger that I bought,
0:25:21I think.
0:25:22So, looking forward to all that coming in and we will, we'll be talking about the phones,
0:25:27I'm sure, much more over the next few weeks.
0:25:30Oh yeah, especially more so this time
0:25:33because it's all spread out.
0:25:34- Yeah, and then all of November and December
0:25:36I get to talk about Apple Silicon Macs and Big Sur.
0:25:38It's gonna be fantastic. - Maybe.
0:25:40- You say maybe? - Yeah.
0:25:42Maybe the event is just for AirTags.
0:25:45- Like sorry, this event took so long.
0:25:49Ironically, we lost the AirTags.
0:25:51- Well, we hadn't turned them on yet,
0:25:54so we couldn't put an AirTag on the AirTags.
0:25:57- Do you see the rumor they're gonna come in two sizes?
0:25:59- Yeah, I don't really know what the thinking is.
0:26:02- I mean, I guess, so one is smaller,
0:26:04so you can put it in a wallet,
0:26:05and one is bigger, maybe has better battery life,
0:26:08and you could stick it in a suitcase,
0:26:10something that doesn't matter.
0:26:11I don't know, I'm very interested,
0:26:14but I also have no use for AirTags
0:26:16in the current state of the world.
0:26:18- Yeah, it really feels like a product out of time,
0:26:21doesn't it?
0:26:22- So does the battery case a little bit.
0:26:23I mean, I know some people use it all the time.
0:26:25For me, at least, it's only on when I travel,
0:26:28And so it's no big deal to me right now that there's not going to be one for the new phone.
0:26:32Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that makes sense.
0:26:34Okay, can I present my problem to the connected listenership?
0:26:39Does that include me in Federico or are we out of this one?
0:26:41I mean, if y'all want to hang around, I would like you to.
0:26:44Oh, so like, are opinions not important?
0:26:46Well, your opinion is important, but I also want listeners to tweet at me with their suggestions
0:26:51for what I do here.
0:26:52Are you doing some social media engagement right now?
0:26:55I am.
0:26:56Okay.
0:26:57follow, like and subscribe. Tiktok me I'm not on Tiktok I'm too old. Okay, let's rewind
0:27:03back to September. We were doing the podcastathon which Myke was a month ago now. It's a lot
0:27:09longer. A lot longer than a month. One of the things during the podcastathon was I was
0:27:15going to put the wheels on my Mac Pro. We said it, I bought them, they came in. I donated
0:27:21the amount of the Mac Pros to St. Jude on my stream to offset the guilt I had about
0:27:27spending that kind of money on something silly. The plan was...
0:27:30Well, because the reason you bought the proper wheels was because of this.
0:27:36Right. Right. So the other side of this that never happened was that Mac sales, you know,
0:27:44OWC, they announced a product in early September called the Rover Pro. There'll be a link in
0:27:49the show notes. It's in the Discord now. And what this product is, it is feet for the Mac
0:27:55Pro and but they connect to the feet. So with mine, I had to get this like crazy bendy screwdriver
0:28:03and put a weird bit on it and unscrew the feet and then put the wheels on it was you
0:28:08know about half an hour's worth of work. These things, the foot stays on there and there's
0:28:13a top and a bottom part and the wheels on the bottom part and it sort of sandwiches
0:28:17over the foot. So if you look in the show notes, there's a link you can go see this
0:28:21It makes more sense when you see it, I think.
0:28:24So I ordered them in September.
0:28:26Well, it turns out that was a pre-order, and they didn't come, and they didn't come.
0:28:31Because what I wanted to do is I wanted to compare these versus the Apple wheels.
0:28:36And like a video make it a milestone in the campaign, I thought it would be a fun thing
0:28:40to do.
0:28:41But they didn't ship, and so I said, "Well, you know, I've got these, I still want to
0:28:45do something with them."
0:28:46So I put the Apple wheels on my Mac Pro in that video.
0:28:50Then I had the feet that came off the Mac Pro and I put them on the Performa 6400 that
0:28:57we filled up with bouncy balls as we raised money.
0:28:59A machine that I still have, there's a link in the show notes so you can see where the
0:29:04problem is.
0:29:05The feet of a Mac Pro were never designed to go on a Performa 6400, it turns out.
0:29:10I know.
0:29:11Who's leading that team over there?
0:29:14I know.
0:29:15Apple's design has really just come off the rails since Johnny Ive left.
0:29:18Do you think that now that Johnny left they would make considerations like this?
0:29:23They really lost the functional high ground.
0:29:25Has Johnny made any products?
0:29:27I don't know.
0:29:28Has Lovfront done anything yet?
0:29:30No, I don't think so.
0:29:32I don't think so, right?
0:29:33So I figured, well, I'll put these OWC wheels on the Performa, right?
0:29:41So I'll have my Mac Pro with the Apple wheels, I'll have my bouncy ball Performa with the
0:29:44OWC wheels.
0:29:46And I was gonna do this, the game Monday I think showed up in the mail finally.
0:29:52And yesterday I was like, well, I'll do a stream, I'll put the Performa on the bench
0:29:57and put these wheels on it.
0:29:59If you look at the picture in the show notes, you will see the problem that I have is that
0:30:05the sides of the Performa case come down and the Mac Pro feet are kind of tucked behind
0:30:13it.
0:30:14feet where the feet were for the Performa. So how I did this was I unscrewed the plastic feet that
0:30:20it had and took a Mac Pro foot to Home Depot and found a screw that fit the threading. I'm the only
0:30:28person to have ever, ever taken a Mac Pro foot into Home Depot. I promise I'm the only one. And
0:30:34so it's in there, it's pretty steady, but I can't put the wheels on it because of the way the OWC
0:30:40wheels work they they create that sandwich around the foot and there's not
0:30:44clearance around the skirt around the bottom of the performa case. So here are
0:30:48my options. Option number one is to modify the performa case which I don't
0:30:53really want to do for a couple of reasons. One, I have to take all the bouncy
0:30:57balls out of it which takes forever. I have a trapdoor in the back that I can
0:31:02open and pull the balls out but it takes forever. And also leaves you up to just
0:31:06hilarious mishaps. Like I vacuumed in my office the other day and like sucked up
0:31:12a bouncy ball under a bookshelf into the shop vac. It's like oh one escaped under
0:31:16there. Nice. So there's that. So I could empty the performa, I could take the feet
0:31:22off, I could build some sort of platform under it that you wouldn't see to give
0:31:27me extra height to clear the wheels. I can do all that. I don't particularly
0:31:31want to because it's a lot of work and I like the idea that the performa is as it
0:31:36was in the podcast-a-thon, right?
0:31:37I built it to keep it, and you can see in the photos,
0:31:40like I have it, the lights on it,
0:31:42I have it on a smart switch,
0:31:43so I tell HomeKit to turn on the bouncy balls
0:31:46and the lights light up.
0:31:49So I don't wanna do that.
0:31:50I don't wanna modify the Performa,
0:31:51and to get the feet off of it, I have to empty it.
0:31:54So my other thought is, well, I have these wheels,
0:31:59what else could I do with them?
0:32:01And so that's sort of the question.
0:32:04If people really want me to modify the Performa,
0:32:06I will think about it some more.
0:32:07But what else could I put these OWC wheels on
0:32:10that would be funny or that would be
0:32:12like a good project to do?
0:32:15- Well, I have a suggestion.
0:32:16You're not gonna like it.
0:32:18- Oh no.
0:32:19- Is that you do what this whole thing was supposed to be.
0:32:22You put the feet back on the Mac Pro,
0:32:25you put the OWC wheels on the Mac Pro
0:32:29and compare them to Apple's wheels.
0:32:32- But even then I have to take the Performa apart
0:32:35to get the feet off.
0:32:36Like the way the screws hold the feet in,
0:32:38I have to have a screwdriver in the case.
0:32:39- I told you you're not gonna like it.
0:32:41I did say you're not gonna like it.
0:32:43- Don't like it.
0:32:44- Or maybe, can you buy the feet?
0:32:46Maybe you just buy more feet.
0:32:47- I can buy more feet, they're $300.
0:32:49- Why not just keep adding the cost of this project?
0:32:54Just keep building it up and up and up, now buy feet.
0:32:56- So buy feet. - And then you have
0:32:57extra feet.
0:32:58- Put them on my Mac Pro and then compare.
0:33:01- Yep, buy feet, put them on the Mac Pro,
0:33:04then do the wheel comparison between the two.
0:33:07So then this becomes a what, $900 project?
0:33:10How much are the feet?
0:33:11- Let's see, the wheels, so the OWC wheels are $200.
0:33:16The Mac Pro wheels from Apple are 700.
0:33:20- 700, that's not a 100. - The feet are another 300.
0:33:21It'd be a $1200 project.
0:33:24- That's fine.
0:33:25- And we already raised the money.
0:33:26- You make that money back in YouTube revenue, surely.
0:33:28That's how that works, isn't it?
0:33:29- Is that how it works?
0:33:31I need to call my accountant.
0:33:34- It's gotta go viral.
0:33:35- Yeah, that's the thing, it has to go big
0:33:37on YouTube for this to work.
0:33:39- Well, here's the thing.
0:33:41Do you value $300 more than the time that it will take you
0:33:45to take the fee off the performer?
0:33:47- No, that's a question that's hard to answer.
0:33:50- That's what you need to work out.
0:33:52'Cause that would be my suggestion.
0:33:53I'm sure Federico would agree with me.
0:33:55You bought these two sets of wheels to do a comparison
0:33:58between the OWC wheels and the Apple wheels.
0:34:02So do the comparison.
0:34:03You agree with me Federico, I'm sure?
0:34:06Yes, I do.
0:34:07See, I knew it.
0:34:08So, let me know on Twitter what...
0:34:10You flip-flopped on this one, too.
0:34:12I did flip-flop on this one.
0:34:13Oh, do the feet have a return policy?
0:34:15Also, I could just return the OWC wheels, but I have them, and I feel like I need to
0:34:20keep them.
0:34:21Mac Pro wheels...
0:34:22Let's see...
0:34:23Mac...
0:34:24Accessories...
0:34:25I mean, how would you possibly know if something had a return?
0:34:29I can't see anywhere on Apple's website where it says anything that has a return policy
0:34:33on it. Mac components, Mac Pro feet kit. $299. Why I can get them tomorrow. That's incredible.
0:34:41Well who else is buying them? That's right yeah. People buy the wheels nobody buys the feet. No
0:34:47oh yeah right so let me know what people think. I think everyone's going to agree with me in
0:34:52Puerto Rico. That I need feet. Well that you need to do what you set out to do right which is to
0:34:59compare the two wheel types. How you go about doing that, that's your own decision that
0:35:04you need to come to as to whether you buy wheels or use the wheels you already own,
0:35:08a feet you already own I should say.
0:35:10Okay, so let me know on Twitter, hit me up. There's like one third option is that I, even
0:35:17if I buy the feet, like do the video comparing them but then like what do I put the feet
0:35:21and wheels on permanently? Like do I get a Mac Mini and put the feet on? Like something
0:35:27funny? We'll see.
0:35:28I mean, that's on, you know,
0:35:29you decided to go the performer route.
0:35:31I'm sure you have something else in that studio
0:35:33that you can put them on.
0:35:34Maybe you could put the wheels on a chair.
0:35:38- Oh yeah, that's good.
0:35:39(laughing)
0:35:41- And then you have an extra rolly chair.
0:35:43- I have a dehumidifier,
0:35:44maybe I could replace its wheels with Mac Pro wheels.
0:35:46- Yeah, 'cause you would put,
0:35:47you would then put the Mac Pro feet on something
0:35:50and then put the wheels on that thing.
0:35:52- Yeah.
0:35:53(laughing)
0:35:54- There you go.
0:35:55And that's on you then, right?
0:35:56Imagine all the things you could do.
0:35:57it on my display. That's a bad idea. Yeah. Okay, so we'll see where that goes. Another thing to
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0:38:03It is the week of product review embargo.
0:38:06So let's start with the phone.
0:38:09We have a whole bunch of links in the show notes,
0:38:10a video from MKBHD, The Verge did separate videos
0:38:14on the 12 and 12 Pro, both are really good.
0:38:16And then Gruber wrote a review of on daring fireball that I read last night.
0:38:20Also very good.
0:38:21I like his review a lot because he focuses on the size differences in the
0:38:26devices because the 12 pro actually isn't quite as big as the old 10 are in 11.
0:38:31And it's a kind of an in-between.
0:38:33So anyways, all very interesting stuff.
0:38:35If you haven't seen these, like go spend some time with them.
0:38:37And I thought maybe we could share our thoughts based on this because so far,
0:38:41like we just have some accessories.
0:38:43You don't have the phones.
0:38:44This is kind of our first look.
0:38:45So let's start with some of the accessories.
0:38:49Let's start with the wallet.
0:38:51This is something that I am interested in.
0:38:52I pre-ordered one, but I'm maybe second guessing that
0:38:57watching how it performs in these videos.
0:39:00- Doesn't look good.
0:39:01- Does not look good at all.
0:39:03- This is too bad.
0:39:04- Multiple reasons.
0:39:07One, it doesn't look like it's easy to align very well.
0:39:11Two, the magnets aren't strong enough.
0:39:13so like in MKBHD's video, puts it in his pocket, catches it in his jeans, pops right off.
0:39:18Three, to get any of the cards out you have to take the wallet off the phone because the hole,
0:39:23there's a hole on the back which you push the cards out of. It's not convenient or I think even
0:39:28possible to get the cards out of it without taking it off. This is no bueno. And it does call into
0:39:37question I think the strength of the magnets and or if accessories will hold
0:39:43it and I've seen some people say this and it makes sense that maybe if like
0:39:47the magnets on the other side are strong enough maybe it will be able to hold on
0:39:52stuff I will say I only have the case right but I put adina's iPhone 11 in her
0:39:5812 Pro case and stuck it on the side of my fridge today and it held so I don't
0:40:04know, magnets, how do they work? We're all going to find out. But this magnet wallet,
0:40:09it doesn't look very good. Like I've seen videos of other people, I think Jonathan Morrison
0:40:14did this, like put in the mag safe on the back and the phone will hang off. So like
0:40:20maybe the magnets are stronger there and the wallet just doesn't have strong magnets in
0:40:23it. But it doesn't look like the product that we all thought it was going to be, this wallet
0:40:29for sure.
0:40:30I think I'm going to be sticking with a third-party wallet case for when I go out.
0:40:36Because that, like, I never once it occurred in the past year that the wallet case, the
0:40:41little opening, the little slot opened itself.
0:40:45Like it's very reliable.
0:40:47It's the Bellroy one you use, right?
0:40:49It's the Bellroy one, yes.
0:40:50I love it.
0:40:51And I'm guessing that they're going to make an iPhone 12 Pro Max version.
0:40:55So because I only use it when I go out and these days, unfortunately, I don't go out
0:40:59much, I think I'm going to be sticking with that. I love the idea of the... Oh Federico,
0:41:03they're already selling it. There you go. Perfect. Really? They already have it for
0:41:07the 12 Pro, 12 Mini and the 12 Pro Max. You can buy it and it's expected to ship within
0:41:13a week. That's perfect. Okay. So, oh yeah, there it is. You should go buy it before we
0:41:18put the show out and then, you know, just in case it bumps it. Very nice. That looks
0:41:23like the right product for you then. Still. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to be sticking with
0:41:28this. That's a shame though, right? Really, I had high hopes for this one, but just the idea that
0:41:36it's the cards are, you basically cannot remove them and it sort of looks like it can slide
0:41:42off the phone depending on the, you know, if you have like tight jeans for example. I don't like it,
0:41:50I don't like the sound of that or the look of that, so I am gonna put in an order for the Bellroy
0:41:57phone case 3 card 75 euros for the iPhone 12 Pro. Okay. I mean I don't think I would have gone this
0:42:06route anyway because that's just not a thing for me. I like separation in those products,
0:42:13but I think I can see how it would be frustrating for people. I think I could have ended up like
0:42:19buying one for vacations, right? Like if you're at the beach or whatever I could imagine just
0:42:24having it all in one little compact thing would be nice but other than that I'd like to keep my
0:42:30wallet and phone separate. I was thinking about this afterwards, like at first I was really
0:42:35intrigued about it but then it's like I don't think I actually wouldn't be able to go down to
0:42:40three cards very easily anyway. I kind of have four card minimum and I can't imagine not needing
0:42:49those if I need a wallet because if I don't need to take four cards I can just use Apple Pay.
0:42:54So I take my wallet when I need to have all the cards at my disposal so I think it would be too
0:43:01tricky for me to go to change otherwise. I've never really tried this life before and I thought
0:43:06that the the Apple one could be a nice way to get into it but if it like slides off the back
0:43:14when you put your phone in your pocket? I don't... that's not great.
0:43:17No. Especially like, because that's the way I put my phone in my pocket
0:43:22screen towards me. Right? And like, and I have spoken about this, like,
0:43:27I use a popsocket, right? My popsocket doesn't get caught. So you could do, like what I do,
0:43:34what I've just ended up internalizing, is I kind of guide the phone into my pocket, right? So
0:43:38if you did that... Like a hand, a hand guard or something.
0:43:41Yeah, yeah, if you did that, the product might not come off, but I still wouldn't want to
0:43:47trust in that system for my wallet.
0:43:50Yeah.
0:43:51So, yeah, I think you won that one.
0:43:56So moving along, let's talk some about the colors and finishes on the phone.
0:44:02It seems like the iPhone 12 line is really, it's like inconsistent.
0:44:07The blue is very saturated.
0:44:10The Product Red is not.
0:44:12It's like almost, it's not quite the coral 10R, but it's way lighter than say the Product
0:44:16Red iPhone 8 or SE.
0:44:18Yeah, this has surprised me because I assumed that the red in Product Red wasn't something
0:44:25that you changed.
0:44:26I thought it was a fixed color.
0:44:28It's been very similar for a really long time.
0:44:30I mean, my wife has a Product Red SE and it's super saturated.
0:44:34It looks awesome.
0:44:35But this thing is, I was really surprised when I saw it.
0:44:40And you know, these reviews are done by people who like know what they're doing on YouTube
0:44:44with color and cameras and stuff.
0:44:46So I believe that they are as accurate as they can be in terms of color reproduction
0:44:51on the video.
0:44:52I just I don't know, it sort of just surprised me honestly.
0:44:55Yeah, I've only I don't know about you, but the stuff I've only seen the red and the blue
0:45:01one.
0:45:02recall from any of the videos that I've seen, I think even photos, I think I've only seen the red
0:45:07and blue. I think Jason now has a black one but I haven't seen any pictures yet of his. But the
0:45:15colors, I don't like them in the 12, like the regular 12. I do not like them. They don't do it
0:45:25for me. No, Jason has a blue one.
0:45:28Ah, okay.
0:45:29I'll just check. Jason has a blue one too, I think.
0:45:31Okay.
0:45:31But yeah, they don't do it for me. I'm not a fan.
0:45:34The other thing that surprised me a little bit in looking at the finishes is I think I like the
0:45:41matte rails better this time. Maybe it's just the Pacific Blue, which is what 12 Pro, like,
0:45:47most people got it seems like. I don't like how, like, the bright blue stainless finish,
0:45:53and it seems like a real fingerprint magnet. Well I don't think you're going to be happy with the
0:45:57silver one that you got then. It's also going to be fingerprint magnet but... You'd imagine.
0:46:03I don't think silver would be any different. Uh me over here in Gold Club though,
0:46:07I'm having my own experience. Did you see this? This came from Matthew Pansarino's review.
0:46:13This is a long quote here so bear with me. "Most of the iPhone 12 Pro finishes still use a physical
0:46:19vapor deposition deposition I don't know what that would have to say that
0:46:23processor edge coating but the new gold uses a special high-power impulse
0:46:28magnetron sputtering to keep him this process magnetron buttering buttering
0:46:34sound machine right that sputtering to me makes it kind of sound like it isn't
0:46:39very efficient but anyway like the machine is dying as it makes your iPhone
0:46:43go into the world! So it uses the hipims process that lays down a coating in a super dense pattern
0:46:51allowing it to be tough and super bright of a molecular structure that mimics the stainless
0:46:56steel underneath making it more durable than the standard PVD coating. One side effect is that it's
0:47:02actually easier to wipe clean and takes on less fingerprints something that my blue model was
0:47:07definitely prone to. Oh, I'm getting the gold one then.
0:47:10Hey-o! Yeah?
0:47:11There we go. Okay. Well, this is a bunch of beautiful words.
0:47:15Imagine if Johnny Hive could still read this. Yep. Matthew Panzareno's reviews are always
0:47:20very, very good. Yes.
0:47:22Impulse magnetron sputtering process that lays down the tubes.
0:47:26Hipims! There was another one.
0:47:31Sputtering robot. Superdense pattern. This sounds very nice.
0:47:35molecular was it molecular? molecular structure can you say that again Myke? molecular structure
0:47:41can you can you play up the English in your accent? I already am I don't know
0:47:47Is that really your accent? like you don't like when you talk at home you're not different?
0:47:54only a little but it's like less fancy it's more alright mate you know not that exact
0:48:00thing but that's closer to what it is I guess okay what if I was just like
0:48:04molecular structure is that kind of is that we're going for a bit of the
0:48:12Queen's I suppose there you go so anyway I'm very pleased about that gold and I
0:48:16think that honestly though like this explains something as to why I was so
0:48:22instantly drawn to it and why it photographs so differently because
0:48:25because they're doing something different to it
0:48:27that makes it look so shiny
0:48:29because it was the shininess of the images of that phone
0:48:33that made me like "oh, that's the one I want"
0:48:35and it seems like it's made differently to the other ones
0:48:39and that I guess makes sense then, why it does look so different
0:48:42because it is different
0:48:44it's all that sputtering that makes it different
0:48:46it's all the sputtering, I love my gold to be sputtered only
0:48:50if you're not sputtering the gold, I do not want it
0:48:53I love my sputtered iPhone. Yes, and all those magnetrons.
0:48:58Magnetron.
0:48:59You can tell it's full of magnetrons. We should have known from the photo. Like it's obviously
0:49:03magnetron.
0:49:04These phones though, irrespective of the colors, which are a bit hit and miss, the overall
0:49:12look of them, I am very into it. I am very into it.
0:49:16So what are the reviews I'm supposed to read? Because as you can tell, I've been in total
0:49:20isolation writing.
0:49:22Well, watch the videos. My favorite videos is MKBHD and the two Verge videos.
0:49:28These are reviews for 12, Neil I review is the 12 Pro.
0:49:31But if you just look at the video footage from the Verge's reviews,
0:49:36you get a lot of really good looks at how these phones look.
0:49:41And there is the flatness of these phones is very stark
0:49:47compared to a lot of what else is out there.
0:49:49because I don't remember which Verge review this was from, but it's basically like, there
0:49:54is no curve, right? It's like, it goes straight to an edge and then there's a screen and right.
0:50:00So it's like, it's just like these little boxes, but with the way that Apple makes phones
0:50:06these days compared to how they did last time with these, it's quite special, right? There's
0:50:10no chamfering anymore, right? Like there's not this like big like edge. It just is like
0:50:16bump, bump. They look good. It looks really nice. Very nice. I'm excited.
0:50:22>> Magnetron. >> Magnetron. The Dolby Vision stuff is interesting.
0:50:28So apparently it's backwards compatible with standard displays in a sense that if you're
0:50:34going to share it with somebody who doesn't have an iPhone, it will strip the HDR out
0:50:38of the video and share it in a compatible format, which is clever. It's kind of what
0:50:42you would want right? But because it's so apparently Apple and Dolby seem to work together
0:50:49to create a new version of the Dolby Vision standard to work for these phones. So it means
0:50:54if you have a Dolby Vision television, it has to be updated with the new spec to actually
0:51:01get the HDR to look right. But devices that support it, which currently include all iOS
0:51:08devices, the Apple TV which has to be in a certain mode which seems weird and no Mac
0:51:14until Big Sur can play back this footage but apparently as they're saying the Dolby Vision
0:51:20video looks fantastic. So I'm excited about that just to see what that looks like. I don't
0:51:26take a ton of video, I don't know if you do, either of you, I don't really take a lot of
0:51:31video at all, I'm a photos person but I'm intrigued to see what it looks like anyway.
0:51:36Steven I would bet you probably take the most video out of the three of us because you have
0:51:41children.
0:51:42Yeah it's a dad parent thing.
0:51:45Dad thing.
0:51:46Hey kids, get in the home video.
0:51:49Do you like taking that pad and you film them with that?
0:51:52That feels like a double dad thing.
0:51:54Federico do you take a lot of video?
0:51:56Yeah of my dogs.
0:51:57Oh okay.
0:51:58Yeah I can imagine that.
0:52:00Dogs and children.
0:52:01Yeah I don't really take any videos because I don't have a dog or a child.
0:52:05have an Amazon echo you could take video of it that's true I could do that or you
0:52:09could get a dog not a warm one you can make a child just a thought just have a
0:52:18baby so you need to shoot video do it for the review man do it for the job man
0:52:23do it for the listeners you know you know like I would say like I had to buy
0:52:27it for my work it's like I had to have this baby for my work I will posit that
0:52:32at home, we'll see how that goes down. Sure, it's the most romantic proposition ever. It's
0:52:40for the podcast. I need to have a baby for the show.
0:52:49Or you could buy Mac Pro feet and OWC wheels and just put wheels on something. Same deal,
0:52:53really. Similar kind of sacrifices. Steven, I just had a thought. I just had a thought.
0:52:58Can you put the wheels under your shoes?
0:53:02You could have like the most expensive heelies of all time.
0:53:07What was the thing between rollerblades and roller skates that we did with the emoji?
0:53:12What's the... when the shoe has four wheels, is it a roller skate?
0:53:16Oh, that's a roller skate, yeah.
0:53:18Yeah, can you make roller skates with the Mac Pro wheels?
0:53:21So I'm gonna need, instead of four, I'm gonna need eight.
0:53:25Yeah, what could go wrong?
0:53:28Well, you could make one roller skate out of the OWC wheels, one roller skate out of
0:53:35the Apple wheels and compare the roller skate ability of the two.
0:53:40That's what people really need to know.
0:53:43Wow.
0:53:45That's incredible.
0:53:46Pasta Boy points out that if you pre-order Baby now, it takes nine months to get here.
0:53:50So that's a very good point.
0:53:53Yeah, the Dolby Vision stuff does look cool.
0:53:56Something that in Eli's review on the verge of it is showing it and like you see that
0:54:01it's displaying the phone get brighter because it's playing that HDR content.
0:54:06And I think if you have like an all HDR world like TV and you've you're, you know, you got
0:54:11a Mac that supports it and your iPhone supports, it's gonna be fantastic.
0:54:15But I think they were smart to make it backwards compatible because some HDR video that's played
0:54:20on SDR displays looks bananas.
0:54:24And so they've done things, I guess, to keep that from happening, which you would expect
0:54:27from Apple.
0:54:28They, even though they break forward in a lot of ways when it comes to this sort of
0:54:34thing, it's like when they change the file formats for photos, right?
0:54:37Like you can still share it as a JPEG and you still shoot it as a JPEG if you want.
0:54:41So they think they do a pretty good balance of that.
0:54:43Yeah, I think so.
0:54:44So let's talk about 5G.
0:54:46Okay.
0:54:47It's here if you're in the right place.
0:54:50If you're not in the right place, it's not there.
0:54:53I do want to point people to Joanna Stern's video about Ultra Wideband 5G, which is the
0:54:58really fast one.
0:54:59She went to an empty stadium that was outfitted with Verizon's 5G Ultra Wideband.
0:55:05And the speed is just mind blowing.
0:55:08Of course, she's the only person there.
0:55:10Ultra Wideband, the problem is that it's super limited in range, like all around this stadium,
0:55:15they have lots of these shots of these huge boxes that are the antennas.
0:55:19there's just probably hundreds of them just in the one area. So it's it's not what most
0:55:25people will see most people will see sub six out and about. What is neat though is a couple
0:55:31little details I don't think we knew before. One other thing Apple did mention this one
0:55:36that the phone will use LTE and then just jump up to 5g when needed. You can also in
0:55:42settings turn 5g off completely if you don't want to even deal with that. And tethering
0:55:49So if you tether from your phone to your Mac or to another device, that the, I guess the
0:55:56bandwidth of the tethering itself has gotten better this year.
0:55:59And so you can get higher speeds when tethering than you could before.
0:56:04So you can imagine if you're tethering on ultra wide band, it's like, Oh yeah, I got,
0:56:07you know, 800 down on my, on my laptop or my iPad.
0:56:11It'd be pretty sweet.
0:56:12So it's Apple has thought about that too.
0:56:15And it does seem like this is mostly a feature that future proofs this phone.
0:56:20I don't think you need to rush out and buy an iPhone this year just for 5G.
0:56:24But if you happen to have it now, it'll be nice.
0:56:28And if most people keep their phones two, three, four, five years, it's really important
0:56:33for those purchases.
0:56:34So you can see why Apple did it, even if it's a little bit on the early side, maybe.
0:56:37Well, don't forget, though, like, that's only really decent advice in America, because the
0:56:44the ultra wideband version is only an American product.
0:56:48So like the iPhone 12 slot outside of America
0:56:52isn't future proofed enough for 5G.
0:56:54'Cause it doesn't have support for ultra wideband.
0:56:58One detail from Dieter's review that I liked,
0:57:01which is I didn't know, I hadn't heard this anyway yet,
0:57:04that the iPhone will now be aware
0:57:07if you have an unlimited data plan.
0:57:09And if you do, you can download things
0:57:11like system updates over the air
0:57:14with LTE because it knows that you don't have a meter,
0:57:19so why not just give it to you
0:57:21if your speeds are fast enough,
0:57:24which could be really good for people
0:57:25who can get faster LTE or 5G than they can home internet.
0:57:30Because for 5G, that is the future of it, right?
0:57:34Is that you might be able to be in a situation
0:57:37where your broadband is slow 'cause you can't get fiber,
0:57:40but they can put 5G in the street outside
0:57:44and then you can get faster internet at home that way.
0:57:47So that seems like a cool thing.
0:57:49- Yeah, I just changed my AT&T plan around.
0:57:54The plan I was on was old and send me some notice,
0:57:58like you got to change or whatever.
0:57:59And so we're on unlimited data with tethering now,
0:58:02which is, yes, with 5G.
0:58:06- You're gonna have 5G before me
0:58:07'cause I'm not gonna do it.
0:58:09- Yeah, it's like rolled into the new AT&T plan.
0:58:12So anyways, that's, I'll have all the Gs.
0:58:15And just to clarify, Ultra Wideband
0:58:17is Verizon's millimeter wave.
0:58:21Like that's the same tech, I think they just,
0:58:23I think the terms are interchangeable,
0:58:26but it's the same thing.
0:58:27It's the really high speed 5G.
0:58:29- Millimeter wave is the fast kind.
0:58:30Verizon's calling it Ultra Wideband.
0:58:32It's the same technology.
0:58:34- And the Sub6 is sort of the run of the mill 5G
0:58:37that has much better coverage in terms of area.
0:58:40- Yeah, and it's faster, but it's not dramatically faster.
0:58:43It's just a bit faster than 4G or LTE.
0:58:46- Yeah.
0:58:47So yeah, I mean, all in all,
0:58:48like I'm excited for these phones.
0:58:50I think honestly I'm more excited than I was.
0:58:54One thing that I've really thought more about
0:58:59since the event,
0:59:00I think the iPhone event was really confusing in places.
0:59:03- I hated the event.
0:59:04- I think.
0:59:05- I was angry.
0:59:07The event made me angry because it was so confusing.
0:59:10- Yeah, I mean, they didn't talk about 5G
0:59:12and other carriers until like one slide.
0:59:15But I think even like all the back and forth that we did
0:59:18and all of our peers did and tech reporting
0:59:21about what exactly was different on the cameras
0:59:24and the size and everything,
0:59:25Apple just didn't do a good job explaining it.
0:59:27And they also haven't done a good job on their website
0:59:29even showing, especially the 12 Pro,
0:59:32like all the images are like draped in black.
0:59:35Like the phone is emerging from the mist.
0:59:37Like, what will it look like?
0:59:38I mean, I get they want to be like, have good branding
0:59:43and stuff and like, you know, like even at the event
0:59:45the 12 Pro was announced at night, I guess,
0:59:49when it was dark and the 12 was in daylight.
0:59:51Like I get all that, but at some point I think
0:59:54the flashiness can get in the way of actual information
0:59:56people need, I think Apple may have gone too far this time.
1:00:00- It's just interesting to me that like they had
1:00:02the ability to to do whatever they wanted you know like they they you know
1:00:10it's like they could make that event whatever they wanted it to be because it
1:00:14was pre done you know what I mean and I just think that they did a really weird
1:00:18job of explaining some of the stuff and like they what you know they must have
1:00:21been watched back and it's like it's too fast all right it was way too fast too
1:00:26much information and a lot of it not explained well enough that was
1:00:30frustrated by it honestly yeah but I'm still waiting anything else I mean to me
1:00:35it's just like all this looks great but all I want to see is what the camera and
1:00:41the promax does mm-hmm that's what I care about yeah
1:00:46do you know cuz maybe maybe maybe all right up next we're gonna talk about the
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1:02:37All right Federico, tell us something about the iPad Air.
1:02:41I don't know what you want to know.
1:02:42It looks like an iPad Pro 11 inch.
1:02:45It really does look like that.
1:02:47I got a Sky Blue review unit with the Magic Keyboard, the Apple Pencil and the Blue, actually
1:02:52Deep Navy Smart Folio case.
1:02:56I had a review on Mac stories.
1:02:58I've been able to write and edit that review in two days, so that's a new record for me
1:03:03and I'm really happy about that.
1:03:05Very easy, especially after the iOS 14 review.
1:03:08Very easy.
1:03:09I need to thank four people that really helped me this past today. Our very own Steven, who
1:03:17sent me a video file that I use for testing purposes for exporting 4K content.
1:03:24What video file was that?
1:03:25It was the Mac Pro video.
1:03:28Yeah.
1:03:29Yeah.
1:03:30Yeah.
1:03:31Silvia, who did the wallpapers for iPad, Brian, who did another special graphic for the wallpapers,
1:03:37And John who went to bed really late last night because he read the review last night.
1:03:44So thank you John, John has always been, as we know, the most trustworthy person I know.
1:03:49So just wanted to have a...
1:03:51Although you didn't give him your credit card?
1:03:53No, I just gave him a...
1:03:54I gave him a draft of a review that was under embargo with a non-disclosure agreement.
1:04:00So I mean...
1:04:01Technically broke the rules.
1:04:02I mean, yes.
1:04:04is part of the company so I didn't break any rules.
1:04:07Does it work like that? I don't think it works like that.
1:04:09Everyone needs an editor, right? Everyone needs an editor. What are you gonna do?
1:04:14Yes, yes. So yeah, just ask me whatever. I have all the answers. Well, most of them.
1:04:20No, I do have all of them. I have all the answers.
1:04:22Whoa, whoa, whoa. That was a wild ride, wasn't it?
1:04:26It's been a bit of a roller coaster.
1:04:28Yeah.
1:04:28Is it one with nature?
1:04:31I really am. Yes. Ask me a ma asked me anything.
1:04:37So physically, this thing is basically identical to the 11
1:04:42inch iPad Pro with USB C, right? I mean, in your pictures, side
1:04:46by side, they look identical. The I guess the borders are
1:04:50slightly bigger around the display. But is that even
1:04:53noticeable in everyday use?
1:04:55If you pay attention, like if you look really closely, if you
1:04:57know where to look, you can see the differences, right? The
1:05:01bezels are slightly thicker on the iPad Air compared to the iPad Pro, you don't really
1:05:06notice the difference in everyday usage. It's like, I don't know, 2mm, 3mm, yeah, I think
1:05:12it's like 2mm, it's like barely noticeable. You can tell in the photos if you zoom in
1:05:17and you can tell that the iPad Pro has slightly thinner bezels, but it doesn't make, it doesn't
1:05:22have any negative consequences on the overall look of the device. It looks premium, it feels
1:05:27It feels like an iPad Pro.
1:05:29The other, I think, element that kind of gives it away is the Touch ID button.
1:05:34It's longer, it's bigger, it's got a bit of a bump compared to the standard top button,
1:05:40and it's glossy.
1:05:41It's got a glossy finish that matches the finish of your iPad.
1:05:45And then it mostly looks the same.
1:05:47I mean, obviously, if you compare the back of the device and if you have a 2020 iPad
1:05:51Pro with the wide camera, ultra-wide camera, and LiDAR scanner, and the big square-shaped
1:05:57camera bump, that's another factor that shows you the differences because the iPad Air only
1:06:03has a single lens. It's only got the same 12 megapixel wide camera of the iPad Pro.
1:06:09It's the same one. But it doesn't have lighters and it doesn't have the ultra-wide lens. Otherwise,
1:06:15it feels like an iPad Pro, works like an iPad Pro, and it supports the same accessories.
1:06:21So Magic Keyboard and second generation Apple Pencil. And the Magic Keyboard is literally
1:06:25the same. On the Apple Online Store, it's now labeled as "Magic Keyboard for iPad Pro
1:06:3111" and iPad Air 4th Generation. My review unit just says "Magic Keyboard for iPad Pro
1:06:3911". It's literally the same. And yeah, they are very similar devices. Obviously, the components
1:06:49inside are different and the technologies are different, but in terms of using them,
1:06:54It just feels like using an iPad Pro.
1:06:56How is Touch ID on the iPad?
1:06:59Does it change the experience from the Pro in any real meaningful way?
1:07:03So I think if you evaluate that in isolation, coming from older devices with Touch ID, I
1:07:11think it's fine and it works well.
1:07:14You don't have the home button anymore, but you do get the edge-to-edge display.
1:07:19And Touch ID is fast, it works well, same performance as the second generation Touch
1:07:22ID, I think.
1:07:24You can either click, if you're on the lock screen, you can either click the button to
1:07:30wake the display and unlock the device.
1:07:32You just got to rest your finger on the sensor for like a split second.
1:07:36Or you can tap the screen or press the space bar if you have a keyboard and then rest your
1:07:41finger and that will unlock the iPad.
1:07:44I feel like you would stop doing that.
1:07:47So like, what you just described there is with the Face ID iPads, you tap the space bar,
1:07:55Face ID recognizes you and it opens.
1:07:57So like anybody that uses a keyboard on their iPad Pro all the time, this is how you unlock your iPad.
1:08:02You just tap a key, especially the space bar, because the space bar will perform the opening for you.
1:08:07But if you had to tap the space bar, then put your finger on the Touch ID,
1:08:13you just wouldn't do the space bar tapping.
1:08:15you'd always, like, I feel like you would just
1:08:18you would just tap, right? - Yeah, you would just click it.
1:08:21- Because you have to go up there anyway.
1:08:23You may, like, yeah. - Yeah, and that's,
1:08:27and that's the thing, right?
1:08:28In isolation, it's fine, it works well,
1:08:30it's got the same performance of like the iPhone 7
1:08:34or the iPhone SE, like it's the standard
1:08:36second generation, I think, touch ID.
1:08:39And the button is also fine, it's a physical button,
1:08:43It's not like a haptic button.
1:08:46It's a real thing that you can push
1:08:47and it moves slightly and it's glossy, so it looks nice.
1:08:51But coming from the iPad Pro,
1:08:54I prefer Face ID at this point.
1:08:56I prefer Face ID especially on the iPad
1:08:58because I tend to use my iPad Pro indoors.
1:09:00So when I'm not like in my house,
1:09:02when I'm not wearing a mask.
1:09:03- Yeah, and that's the thing, right?
1:09:04It's like we're all asking for Touch ID back on our phones.
1:09:08- Yes, I would love to have this Touch ID,
1:09:12even this kind of Touch ID, right?
1:09:14Not even under the display, just in a button,
1:09:17it will be fine.
1:09:19But on the iPad Pro, I really prefer Face ID
1:09:21because all I need to do is just sit in front of my iPad Pro
1:09:24with the Magic Keyboard, press the space bar,
1:09:26and Face ID does its thing and unlocks automatically.
1:09:29And I'm like, I don't need to,
1:09:30like it removes the need to think about authentication.
1:09:34It just happens.
1:09:35- Face ID on the iPad Pro is the best implementation
1:09:38of Face ID as well, right?
1:09:40So like that's that's the awkward part of this.
1:09:42But yes. Right.
1:09:43So my expectation is kind of what you've described and what you wrote in the
1:09:46review. Right. Is that if you to go from the iPad Pro to the iPad Air,
1:09:51the biometric question is is a murky one.
1:09:55It would be it would surprise me if anybody preferred it.
1:09:58But if you are coming from any other iPad, it's
1:10:03I can't imagine it being as much of an issue.
1:10:06Right. No, it's fine.
1:10:09Basically, instead of reaching to the,
1:10:11like if you're using it in landscape on a desk,
1:10:15instead of reaching to the right side,
1:10:17it just reached the left side
1:10:19if you're using the Magic Keyboard,
1:10:20because Touch ID, it's still in a button,
1:10:22it's just a different button, and it's okay.
1:10:25If anything, you're--
1:10:26- And they learned with the Face ID, right,
1:10:28it indicates where the button is for you, doesn't it?
1:10:31- Yeah, you have that indicator on screen.
1:10:34And if anything, because you don't have
1:10:35the Home button anymore, you're not, you know,
1:10:38leaving smudges and fingerprints on the display, on the black bezel around the display.
1:10:42You're just touching the top button.
1:10:45So yeah, it's really fine.
1:10:48It works.
1:10:49It's Touch ID in a button and I kind of missed it and I really hope that it's coming to the
1:10:53iPhone eventually.
1:10:55So you mentioned in the review a bunch about the fact that one of the big things for you
1:11:00is the promotion display, that it's not here.
1:11:02Yeah.
1:11:03Now I've been trying to think about this recently because I don't have comparison devices.
1:11:11So I don't have an iPad that doesn't have promotions but I don't have an old one.
1:11:17I guess my mini so I could do a comparison there.
1:11:20But I haven't thought about putting the two things side by side.
1:11:24So considering you have been doing that side by side comparison which is just not something
1:11:28I thought to do. What are you actually seeing or not seeing with the
1:11:35promotion display that would make you miss it in this device? I would like
1:11:38you to try and explain it a little bit for me. What is the experience
1:11:42difference like? Without promotion, when you scroll the screen, any kind of
1:11:49movement, any kind of animation on screen, after you've gotten used to promotion,
1:11:56you always see like a blur. You always see like it's not fluid. It's because I
1:12:04don't have it on my phone, right, and I don't know I don't feel like I know it's
1:12:09a difference between my iPad and my phone. You don't notice the difference
1:12:12because it's a small display and it's easier not to see the difference when a
1:12:17display is small. When a display is bigger, like, the best test really is to swipe
1:12:23around pages on the home screen. Without promotion you kind of see the blur
1:12:29behind the icons when you scroll. And with promotion you just don't. You just
1:12:36see like the 120Hz refresh, it means everything is just fluid and
1:12:41when you scroll like all the pixels like stay in place. I don't know how to
1:12:46describe it, you just gotta see it. But really I guess without promotion I kind
1:12:50see a blurry leftovers on screen for any animation, right? For swiping across pages of icons,
1:13:01for closing apps. It's just not as fluid, it's just not as fast. And you can tell that
1:13:06the screen is not refreshing itself fast enough.
1:13:10Okay. Yeah, because I've been thinking about it over the last week or so, right? Because
1:13:16we didn't get promotion on the iPhone.
1:13:18And I know it's something I want,
1:13:20but I don't know why I want it.
1:13:22Like I want it because I figure it's gonna be better.
1:13:26I believe people that tell me that it's way nicer
1:13:28on a phone to have a high refresh rate display.
1:13:30But like the only device I have on is my iPad,
1:13:33but I'm super used to the way that the iPad feels now.
1:13:35So in my mind, I'm just assuming that like
1:13:38that promotion display is just part of the iPad experience.
1:13:40It's part of what makes an iPad nice to use,
1:13:43but I didn't have someone to compare it with.
1:13:44now you've reminded me I have that Mini right so I'm gonna do that tomorrow
1:13:48I'm gonna just just play with the Mini and the Pro but the thing is about that
1:13:52is like the Mini's display is so much worse than the Pro's display anyway that
1:13:56it might not be a good comparison it really does feel like probably the best
1:14:00comparison is like side by side is the the iPad Air and the 11-inch iPad Pro
1:14:07because I guess display wise they're probably closest to right is aside from
1:14:11the ProMotion, is the display comparable? Oh yeah, it supports True Tone,
1:14:17white color, the same anti-reflective coating that is not really anti-reflective,
1:14:23and it's, I guess, it's slightly dimmer than the iPad Pro by 100 nits. Oh no. So yeah, it's...
1:14:33I don't really know what that means. It doesn't... What about the pixels per inch? Do you know that? It's okay if you don't.
1:14:39assistant. Same PPI. It's a great iPad, right? It's a really great iPad.
1:14:48It's like a really the best way to think about it. It's an iPad Pro
1:14:52without some pro stuff. What you're losing is I would say Face ID, the Pro
1:14:59Motion Display, and the larger storage options. Because you can get an iPad
1:15:04Pro that goes all the way up to one terabyte of storage, the iPad Air maxes
1:15:09out at 256GB of storage. Yeah that's where the price part starts to get a bit murky for
1:15:15me. It's like $599 for 64GB and the next one is $256 for $749. And then it's like, as you
1:15:27mentioned in the review, a 256GB iPad Pro is $899. So that price difference is getting
1:15:34closer and closer the more that you go up. And I've previously said it on the show and
1:15:38standby 64 gigabytes is not enough for an iPad in 2020 it just isn't enough
1:15:43storage for a device which will be used for heavy media consumption right like
1:15:49you are it's what an iPad it's like part of what the iPad is for is a big design
1:15:54like use case for these devices is like you fill that thing up with video when
1:15:59you're traveling and 64 gigabytes is not gonna get you very far so I that is the
1:16:05So for me, not having used the thing and read your review and looked at the specs, the biggest
1:16:11downside of this product, I think, is the starting storage.
1:16:13I think 64GB is way too small.
1:16:16Yeah, agreed.
1:16:18Agreed.
1:16:19And when you get to the larger capacity of the Air, if you max it out, there's only like
1:16:27a $150 difference between the same storage of the iPad Air and the iPad Pro.
1:16:31But really, my takeaway from this is that the market for the 11-inch iPad Pro just became
1:16:37a lot smaller, and it kind of feels like—and this is from the conclusion of the review,
1:16:42so sorry for the spoilers, I guess—but my speculation here is that this move of having
1:16:51the iPad Air being so similar to the iPad Pro 11-inch maybe suggests that Apple is sort
1:16:58of giving themselves the opportunity to make more expensive and maybe even bigger iPad
1:17:05Pros in the future.
1:17:07Because they have this new baseline for an 11-inch tablet, right?
1:17:11And it's a very good iPad, and it's got, arguably, it covers the essentials of the iPad Pro experience
1:17:19really well.
1:17:20You have the Magic Keyboard, the second generation Apple Pencil, and the edge-to-edge display.
1:17:26And sure, the iPad Pro 11-inch has more stuff, but it kind of feels like...
1:17:32I mean, I think at this price point the iPad Air is a better deal than an 11-inch iPad
1:17:37Pro, and I kind of read sort of between the lines here, sort of feels like Apple is saying,
1:17:44"We now have this iPad Air, it's 11-inch, it's an 11-inch tablet, now in the future
1:17:50we can make a more expensive 12.9 and maybe even a larger iPad Pro, because we now have
1:17:59this really solid option at 11".
1:18:02So I don't know, this is all speculation on my part, obviously, if you are a professional
1:18:08user and you really feel like you absolutely need an 11" tablet, then the 11" iPad Pro
1:18:14is the answer for you.
1:18:15But as I argued at the end of the story, I think the question now, if you're in the market
1:18:20for a new iPad and you're thinking about the iPad Pro, I think the real answer you should
1:18:25ask yourself is not "Should I choose between the iPad Air and the 11-inch iPad Pro?"
1:18:31I think the real question is "Do I need a 12.9-inch iPad Pro?"
1:18:37Because that's the, I think, on balance, that's the deciding factor at this point.
1:18:44I think the 12.9-inch iPad Pro is now more important in a way than the 11-inch iPad Pro
1:18:52because of the iPad Air.
1:18:54Yeah, I think that makes sense.
1:18:56And I do tend to agree with you that I think it gives Apple options with the Pro that it
1:19:01doesn't have currently.
1:19:03I mean, for someone who has a Pro now, I don't think this is a purchase that makes sense.
1:19:08But if you're holding on to an older iPad Pro, you know, one of the Touch ID ones or
1:19:14an original, you know, kind of basic iPad or something like that, this seems like a
1:19:18fantastic upgrade.
1:19:20Yeah, I mean, I agree with that. And I don't think anybody... Like, I compared the iPad
1:19:26Air and the 11-inch iPad Pro not because I'm suggesting that there's gonna be people who
1:19:31are gonna switch from the iPad Pro to the iPad Air. Like, you shouldn't do that. Because
1:19:35even the 2018 11-inch iPad Pro, which I have, outperforms in multi-core, for example, the
1:19:41iPad Air and it's got ProMotion and you know it's an iPad Pro you can get it in
1:19:47one terabyte of storage USB transfers go all the way up to 10 gigabit per second
1:19:52like it's still an iPad Pro but I think what you said Steven if you have an
1:19:56older iPad like a base model iPad or the old iPad Air for example maybe even an
1:20:02iPad mini this is a really good iPad and to me this is the new default like
1:20:08someone who doesn't have an iPad at all and wants to buy a new one, I would
1:20:13recommend, like before I would have said get the 11-inch iPad Pro. Now I would say
1:20:18get the iPad Air, because this is the new default I think. Like if you don't have
1:20:22an iPad at all, I think you could... and if you don't need ProMotion, if you don't
1:20:26need one terabyte of storage, if you don't need fast data transfers, just get
1:20:31this one. It really does feel like there must be updates coming to the iPad
1:20:37Pro that are gonna push it right? That would be the natural assumption because they didn't
1:20:45need to take all of the steps that they took with this iPad Air to get this close to the
1:20:51iPad Pro and they left some things out but arguably some of the things they left out
1:20:56were the things that maybe make the most sense to leave out if you're gonna leave stuff out
1:21:00but like the design especially right? It's like you maybe didn't have to make it look
1:21:05exactly like one. The Pro, so it's very intriguing. Your review did remind me Federico of the
1:21:12time when the iPad Air used to be the Pro iPad. Remember that? It used to be the best
1:21:20one. It was the only one that did multitasking for a while. It was the only one, and in fact
1:21:25I linked my, one of my first big iPad stories, the one about the iPad Air 2 from 2015. That
1:21:33before iOS 9 and before the iPad Pro. I bought the iPad Air 2 in San Francisco, I think the
1:21:41day after the WWDC keynote where they announced multitasking. Because I didn't have one. Oh
1:21:47yeah. No I wasn't there then. That was in San Francisco. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did you ever
1:21:52do a San Francisco to WWDC? Just one, the last one. The very last one. I closed the
1:21:58show. Yeah I remember I went and bought it because it was like oh I want to try that,
1:22:03sounds like a good thing and turns out it was. I have one particular complaint
1:22:10here that I need to share the sky blue color. It really isn't blue, like it's
1:22:17a very very subtle shade of blue and in certain daylight conditions if the light
1:22:25hits it just right you can tell that it's sky blue. I really I don't think it
1:22:30comes from my photos. I don't think you can tell that it's a sky blue color.
1:22:34I like the color in your photos. I like the color that Apple puts on their website.
1:22:39Those two colors are not the same.
1:22:41Sure. No, and then I tried in multiple, like in different places, inside and outside,
1:22:49and then I just figured, let's just use plenty of natural light and see what happens,
1:22:54and that photo, that's just what it looks like. It's silver. It really does look silver.
1:23:00And if you're indoor and you have standard LED or fluorescent lights, it just looks kind
1:23:06of grey and kind of silver.
1:23:09Have you considered that it's sky blue because it matches the colour of the sky that's above
1:23:14you and maybe depending on who you are the world is different?
1:23:17Oh no, my sky is blue.
1:23:19Very blue, the bluest sky.
1:23:21It's the clearest blue.
1:23:25Yes, and no, this is really not as blue as you would think it is.
1:23:32And also like the mismatch between the Deep Navy Smart Folio and the Sky Blue.
1:23:41Like I don't get it.
1:23:42Well that was just a mistake on the part of the person who put your review package together.
1:23:46Well, no, because...
1:23:49Why would you choose that? You would get a different color.
1:23:52Because, I know, but on principle they should have made the surf blue folio that they do sell right now for the 11 inch iPad Pro.
1:24:05I just don't get it. Why does the 11 inch iPad Pro get fun Smart Folio colors?
1:24:12But the iPad Air, which is advertised as being the fun one with the colorful options.
1:24:18Which is the other way around. Usually the iPad Pro gets terrible colors.
1:24:21Exactly! And instead the iPad Air got the terrible colors. I mean, have you seen the green SmartFolio?
1:24:27I'm going to look at it.
1:24:28It's like an abomination. It's horrible. It's a horrible green.
1:24:31The Cypress green? It's not the best green. I would pair your iPad with the pink citrus iPad Air SmartFolio.
1:24:42It's probably the one I would go with.
1:24:43Yeah. But otherwise, really good iPad.
1:24:49Can you imagine if they released this iPad without there being a pro?
1:24:55You know, like, just that world, like how great that would be?
1:24:58It would be freaking out, man.
1:25:00It'd be amazing.
1:25:01Or if they released this one with the iPad Pro before they made this iPad Pro design,
1:25:06like how conflicted it would be?
1:25:08Yeah, it would be.
1:25:09You know what I mean?
1:25:10Like if the iPad Pro looked like it did the original design, right?
1:25:14And then they brought out a new iPad Air and it looked like this?
1:25:17Oh my god, that'd be wild.
1:25:19Yeah, it would have been incredible.
1:25:21Also, I want to mention the A14 Bionic, which is in this iPad.
1:25:26It's not in the iPad Pro, obviously, the iPad Pro is still on the A12Z system.
1:25:33And the A14 Bionic, in single-core performance, it beats comfortably the A12Z of the 2020 iPad Pro.
1:25:41So I really want to see what happens once Apple makes that A14X chip that was rumored a while back as being the chip for the first Apple Silicon Mac and the next iPad Pro.
1:25:56I want to see the performance of that. I think it's going to be really fun.
1:25:59And also, Touch ID in a button. I really hope that Apple brings this to the iPhone and to iPads.
1:26:08I'm really into the idea of multiple authentication options now because of the pandemic.
1:26:13I think it's really needed.
1:26:15Now that they've made it,
1:26:17I can't believe that they would do all of that just for this one product.
1:26:23But we'll see.
1:26:25Do it to the Mini next.
1:26:27Do this iPad Air to the Mini next. Come on, Apple.
1:26:30Oh my god, imagine. Did you see the footnote that I had about the Mini?
1:26:33I didn't see that.
1:26:34Yeah, there was a footnote like imagine an iPad Mini with a liquid Retina display TouchID
1:26:40and the A14.
1:26:42Yeah it would have been really really nice.
1:26:45Like the original iPad Mini, like do you remember the original iPad Mini which is way too powerful?
1:26:50Yeah.
1:26:51Right?
1:26:52Was it the original one or the second one where it was like they brought out the regular
1:26:55iPad and the iPad Mini and they were exactly the same except screen size difference?
1:27:00The second one went Retina and it was incredible.
1:27:03Please. So yeah, iPad Air does a review, there's photos, there's wallpapers if you're a club
1:27:10member. Good wallpapers. It's a really good iPad. Thank you. Well, Sylvia made them. Thank
1:27:17you Sylvia. Thanks Sylvia. And we also have iPad Air wallpapers and as Jon noticed on
1:27:22App Stories, these are probably the world's first iPad Air wallpapers. Like, you cannot
1:27:29find any other iPad Air wallpapers because this is a new 10.9 inch display, so this is
1:27:34like kind of an exclusive. It's not that great of an exclusive. I'm pleased for you,
1:27:41but like as far as worlds first. It's like I'm the first person who filled a performer
1:27:44with bouncy balls. Like, well, cool. Look, we can have our own personal world records.
1:27:52Okay. No, I mean, I'm in favor of it. I need to have this. No, I'm taking it away from
1:27:55you've definitely done it. Okay. Maybe I put the Mac Pro feet and wheels on next
1:28:02serve I could be the first person to do that. I don't want you to do that.
1:28:05Something to think about. I want you to do what I asked you to do. Oh I think
1:28:09that about does it this week boys. Yeah. If you want to find links to everything
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1:28:44leave it at that. You can find us all online. You can find Myke Hurley online.
1:28:50He's on Twitter as I M Y K E
1:28:53Myke I have a question about podcasting for you. No way. I know it's weird, right?
1:28:58Do you remember or do you know what year Apple added podcasts to iTunes?
1:29:06Know it was the same
1:29:08keynote as the Intel transition
1:29:12Mm-hmm. So I'm going to say that that was in
1:29:17the year
1:29:202007.
1:29:24I would have said three.
1:29:27Or 05. 05 or 07.
1:29:30It's 05.
1:29:31I knew it was one of the two. I knew it was one of the two.
1:29:33No.
1:29:34I'll put Macworld's live blog of it that Jason and Peter Cohen did.
1:29:38That's fun.
1:29:39That keynote is so fun for me because it was the keynote that made me decide I was buying my first
1:29:47Mac. And it's also the time that Apple put podcasts in iTunes. So just like for me personally,
1:29:55what a seminal moment in my life, right? Where I became a, decided to be a Mac user and also
1:30:02oh hey podcasting looks interesting.
1:30:04You can find Federico online on Twitter @Vittici. He is the editor-in-chief of MacStories.net.
1:30:14Federico I have a question for you.
1:30:15Okay.
1:30:16your favorite international food? Well, I will mention a recent discovery of mine, which
1:30:24is a vegetable that we don't really see here in supermarkets in Italy, and that would be
1:30:30Pak Choy. Hey! There we go. I discovered this a few months ago and I am absolutely in love.
1:30:37Steven, have you ever eaten Pak Choy? No, in fact I was googling it quietly in the background.
1:30:42It's very nice
1:30:44It's got almost like it's a slight very very slightly kind of spicy ish taste. Oh, yes. It's a type of Chinese cabbage
1:30:52Yeah, yes. Yes
1:30:55Yes, Google served you all very
1:30:57Varieties are popular in southern China and Southeast Asia. It's winter hardy
1:31:01Increasingly grown in northern Europe. Yes. Mm-hmm. You know, I just knew all that not definitely not reading from the internet
1:31:08It's interesting that you know all of that, but you've never tried it
1:31:11You don't have to taste something to know it, right?
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