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0:00:46- Hello and welcome to Connected, episode 312.
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0:01:01My name is Stephen Hackett,
0:01:02and I'm joined by Mr. Federico Vittucci.
0:01:04- Hello, hi.
0:01:06- Hey, man.
0:01:07- Hi.
0:01:08- We're also joined by Mr. Myke Hurley.
0:01:11- Of course you are, hello.
0:01:12- Hi.
0:01:13- Well, what does it mean, of course you are?
0:01:16- Yeah, what does that mean?
0:01:17- I'm always here.
0:01:19- Yeah, what's the implication there?
0:01:21- He said, "And we're joined by Myke Hurley."
0:01:24And I'm like, yeah, I am.
0:01:28I haven't taken any time off.
0:01:29I don't take time off.
0:01:30How do you feel on this special day, Myke?
0:01:33I've come to accept my absolute 100% devastation.
0:01:38I lost a draft with Jason yesterday.
0:01:41And I'm not feeling good about my chances
0:01:43of keeping my title today.
0:01:48But I'm looking forward to absolutely annihilating
0:01:51the annual picks.
0:01:52That's how I feel.
0:01:52Sure.
0:01:53Still got that in my future. Absolute complete annihilation of the annual picks.
0:01:57Yeah, that's where I'm going.
0:01:59That makes you feel better.
0:02:01And I'm sure that like last time, I'll win the annual picks and then for some reason
0:02:05won't get given any accolade for that because we'll create some kind of trophy afterwards
0:02:10because that's what happened last time. But, you know.
0:02:13What is an accolade?
0:02:14Yeah, what is... That's a big word.
0:02:18You know in English.
0:02:19I can't help you.
0:02:20Don't brag.
0:02:21It sounds like lemonade made out of avocados.
0:02:23Wait, do you guys not know the word acolytes?
0:02:26It sounds like a beverage made with cola.
0:02:29What's it gonna say? Is that not in your AP style guide, Steven?
0:02:31Wow.
0:02:33Does it mean a prize?
0:02:35Yeah.
0:02:36Yeah.
0:02:37An award, trophy.
0:02:39It's avocado lemonade.
0:02:41It's avocado... It's fizzy avocado juice.
0:02:44I can't imagine anything worse, and I like avocados.
0:02:49Mmm, refreshing accolade. It's what all the Millennials drink. They drink accolade.
0:02:53The big avocado seed can stop up the top of the can. You got to look out for that.
0:02:58Mmm-hmm. You think that you've run out, but really it's just the big pit.
0:03:04Has anybody ever tried to smash the big avocado seed with like a hammer, see what happens?
0:03:11Like what's inside that thing?
0:03:12When you say anybody, do you mean any of the three of us or like anyone in life?
0:03:15Any of the three of us or in the Discord? Like has anybody ever tried to break it and
0:03:22see what it looks like inside?
0:03:23What is in there? I don't know what's in there.
0:03:27Let's Google it. Inside...
0:03:28Is it cross section? Cross section of avocado.
0:03:33Well, this is kind of boring.
0:03:34Oh, it's terrible.
0:03:35It just looks like another smaller avocado.
0:03:39What's inside of that one? An even smaller avocado.
0:03:42It looks like a chestnut or something. What is it?
0:03:44Yeah, it's not very fun at all. I was hoping it's like...
0:03:46It's not fun. It's not gross either.
0:03:49No. Like it was like 25 tiny avocados inside.
0:03:53Do you think you can eat it if you slice it real thin?
0:03:56No, I bet it's... Well, I mean you could try it, but I bet it would like break your tooth or something.
0:04:00I bet it tastes bad too.
0:04:01I think it's like super tough, you know? Yeah, I bet it tastes real bad.
0:04:04Keeping our usual tradition, it was an apple event yesterday and we're talking about what's the inside of an avocado seed.
0:04:11Avocado.
0:04:12Yeah, this is a very busy week, the Apple event, but it's also a busy week two days
0:04:18from now on Friday.
0:04:19Myke and I will be hosting Podcastathon 2, a six-hour live show on Twitch.
0:04:25So we're on video doing a bunch of wacky stuff to raise money for St. Jude.
0:04:30As of this recording, yesterday we crossed $200,000 raise this year, which is just fantastic.
0:04:36If you haven't donated yet, head on over to stju.org/relay.
0:04:41- Although I will say, if you have a donation
0:04:45you wanna make, maybe keep it for the Podcastathon now.
0:04:48We're so close, you know?
0:04:50We've reached such an incredible milestone.
0:04:53If you're only gonna donate once,
0:04:54you should donate more than once.
0:04:55You're gonna donate once, tune into the Podcastathon
0:04:57and donate then, right?
0:04:59That doesn't seem like a terrible thing to say.
0:05:01Just give the money.
0:05:02- I mean, as long as they do it.
0:05:04- Yeah, that's what I said.
0:05:05You gotta give the money.
0:05:06That's the promise that you can tell us.
0:05:07You gotta do it.
0:05:08It's not an excuse not to do it.
0:05:09No, you gotta do it.
0:05:10But I would make two or three donations.
0:05:13And when you donate during the Podcast-a-thon, funny things will happen to me and Myke.
0:05:19Myke, you have blown up about a billion balloons in your office that are gonna be there.
0:05:25And every time somebody donates, I believe it's gonna be $100, one more balloon will
0:05:30be added to the balloon room and periodically through the podcastathon I will be inside
0:05:36of the balloon room and you will be able to see how the balloon room is filling. It is
0:05:40like a very large, very inconvenient barometer of donations.
0:05:47Shall we call it the balloon or the baroom? Just because it feels very inefficient to
0:05:53call it balloon room. So pick one of the two.
0:05:57or balloon so balloon or baroom I like balloon but with all of these things I'm
0:06:03always like okay I need to check that that isn't like some kind of horrifically
0:06:06insensitive words in like some language or something so if I just balloon balloon is an independent Japanese record
0:06:16label created in 2011 so that one's not not too bad okay what kind of music do they produce?
0:06:23they produce. That's a good point. Vocaloid music. Oh okay. Baroom is, I can see a cocktail bar in
0:06:35France. It's also, according to the dictionary, B-A-R-R-O-O-M, a room where alcoholic drinks are
0:06:43served? Yeah, like a bar room. Like a bar room. Yeah, you see? Bar room. Bar room. I think I like
0:06:53balloon. Balloon is funnier, I think. Because also people could think you're saying balloon,
0:06:58but you're not, and that's funny. Is he saying balloon right? Is he saying balloon?
0:07:03Is he saying balloon with a name? Is he saying balloon? So I think we're gonna go with balloon.
0:07:10I too will be having a way to count our progress. It has been a construction project now for almost
0:07:17a month that y'all will all see on Friday. No spoilers. Yep. It's not balloons, but it is
0:07:23somewhat similar in nature, I think is fair to say, right? Like, things go inside of another thing.
0:07:28You've already said too much. Okay, sorry. Federico's gonna be there too. Can we, can we,
0:07:36Should we say what we're gonna do?
0:07:37Yeah.
0:07:38Alright, so you know how we play the Jeremy's every year?
0:07:42And the Jeremy's, in case you don't remember,
0:07:44everybody should remember our naming scheme for everything.
0:07:47Sure.
0:07:48But for some reason they don't.
0:07:50What's wrong with you if you don't?
0:07:51Yeah, but the Jeremy's is where we select,
0:07:55well, we show Federico all of the new emoji
0:07:57that Apple have designed for iOS,
0:07:59and Federico has to try and guess the names of these emojis,
0:08:03having never seen them before.
0:08:05So Federico hides away from the emoji.
0:08:09Now we can't play the Jeremy's, but we thought,
0:08:11considering Federico always has to be on that side of the game,
0:08:14why not turn the tables and we'll play the game on Steven?
0:08:17For what I think I will judge the Ashies,
0:08:20we are going to show Steven a selection of Pokemon,
0:08:25for which Steven must guess the names.
0:08:28That is what we are going to be doing during Federico's segment
0:08:32of the Podcast-a-thon, so make sure you chew it in for that.
0:08:35for the first ever Ashies. And let me tell you, Steven, you're in for quite a time because
0:08:40me and Federico picked a bunch and there's some that he sent to me that I feel like I
0:08:44have literally never seen. And I don't know how that's possible because I have played
0:08:48every Pokémon game.
0:08:49Okay, so Myke, I talked to you about this, but I feel like you didn't talk to Federico
0:08:53about it. So I'm going to go right to the source. Can I guess their powers or abilities?
0:08:59And like that be a point?
0:09:00There are no powers in Pokémon. There are abilities. So I mean, good luck with that
0:09:04if you want to guess the abilities.
0:09:06Steven suggested this to me and I wondered why he wanted to make it harder for himself,
0:09:10but yeah, if you want to guess their names and take a stab at what they are capable of,
0:09:14go for it.
0:09:15I feel like the abilities are almost, the names are just words, right?
0:09:18Like most of them are made up, but the abilities are like things that they could do.
0:09:23There are some phonetic, um, things.
0:09:26There are some that like you could conceivably guess them.
0:09:30Hmm.
0:09:31Yeah.
0:09:32But you might just have to work out the system.
0:09:33Yeah, like wordplay, that kind of stuff.
0:09:36So that's what we're going to be doing.
0:09:37Are there any like easy ones?
0:09:39Like ones I'm guaranteed to get?
0:09:41Yes.
0:09:41There are some easy ones just to put you in the mood.
0:09:44Yeah.
0:09:44But then it's an absolute disaster for you.
0:09:47Yeah, it's like there's a couple that you'll get and then about 20 who definitely won't.
0:09:52So good luck to you.
0:09:55But yeah, we want you to try and describe the Pokémon you're looking at and then try to come up with, I mean, at least guess a name.
0:10:02Like, try and put yourself in the Pokémon Company's shoes.
0:10:07If you were in charge of naming this creature, what would you name it?
0:10:11So I guess, if you really can't guess, you can at least try that.
0:10:15So make sure you tune in on Friday, September 18th, from 2 to 8 p.m. Eastern.
0:10:19That's not going to be the entire length of this game we're playing.
0:10:22There will be lots of different things.
0:10:25Yes, lots of things.
0:10:26Lots and lots of great stuff.
0:10:27And just by the way, from the Discord, they're pointing out that
0:10:31balloon sounds like Pokemon. It definitely, definitely does. I also, if you're on the
0:10:37Twitch page for the next couple of days, at least there's a stream for this old Mac, which is this
0:10:42joke that I had in my Mac Pro stream and then Gray and Myke made me do it, where I took apart
0:10:48Casey Liss's white MacBook on camera and just talked about it and showed people how it came
0:10:52apart and I put it all back together and it's, it was fun. I think it may be something that I do,
0:10:57probably on Twitch. It's not like a full-blown like 512 video with b-roll and fancy cameras and stuff,
0:11:04but I think it'd be a fun thing to do sometimes. Yeah, I enjoy it. So yes, so the two URLs you need
0:11:10to know, stjou.org/relay and then on Friday twitch.tv/relayfm. You can follow the Relay FM
0:11:17Twitter account. We'll be posting there on Friday reminders and updates kind of what's going on. So
0:11:21yeah, it's a big week. I'm really excited. So today, we're going to talk about this later,
0:11:27about iOS 14, watchOS 7, tvOS 14 coming out today.
0:11:31We'll talk about that later in the show.
0:11:33And I guess we'll also get an official update from Federico Vittucci
0:11:37on what's going on with the review.
0:11:40But obviously everybody is waiting for us to judge the rookies.
0:11:44So I guess it is time.
0:11:46Do we want to recap the rules?
0:11:48Just listen to last week's show.
0:11:50[Laughter]
0:11:52It was mostly rules.
0:11:53It was. That was a very long chapter.
0:11:55Very good rules, by the way.
0:11:57The best rules.
0:11:58I go back and listen to that segment.
0:12:01You may think you know the rules, but you don't really know our rules until you listen to the latest version of them.
0:12:09So, that would be my conclusion.
0:12:11It's like Apple, really.
0:12:12Yeah.
0:12:13And even though we've just clarified them, they're still open to some level of interpretation.
0:12:18Again, just like Apple.
0:12:20Well, that's your opinion.
0:12:22Round one, normal picks.
0:12:25We will each read out our picks and I guess we can grade them
0:12:29because we should all know the truth of each pick.
0:12:31I said Apple unveils a new Apple Watch and they did.
0:12:35Oh no, you didn't. Wow.
0:12:37And they did and it's a Series 6 and I was correct.
0:12:40This is the new Apple Watch Series 6.
0:12:43The perfect combination of powerful features and beautiful design.
0:12:48Series 6 is our most colorful lineup ever.
0:12:51There's a new blue aluminum case,
0:12:54this updated classic gold stainless steel finish,
0:12:57a new gray-black stainless steel called graphite,
0:13:00and for the first time,
0:13:02a stunning new Apple Watch product red.
0:13:05Now on the inside,
0:13:06Series 6 is packed with incredible technology,
0:13:09including a new health sensor
0:13:10that enables an amazing new capability.
0:13:14Let's take a look.
0:13:14With Apple Watch Series 6,
0:13:18you can measure your blood oxygen right from your wrist.
0:13:21The new health sensor in series six shines red and infrared light
0:13:25onto your wrist and measures the amount of light reflected back.
0:13:29Advanced algorithms use this data to calculate the color of your blood,
0:13:32which indicates the amount of oxygen present.
0:13:35The new blood oxygen app lets you take a measurement in just 15 seconds.
0:13:40I piggybacked on that and said the Apple Watch Series
0:13:45six will use the series four and five design.
0:13:49You give me three bells you got for yourself there.
0:13:53I don't know why you got three. I only got one. I heard. Why do you get three?
0:13:57Well, we didn't read the rules.
0:13:58If we had read the rules, you would know why that what the different bell
0:14:00signify.
0:14:01Should we stop and talk about this Apple watch a little bit before we move on to
0:14:05federal cost.
0:14:06I find it to be a very interesting year for the Apple watch.
0:14:10The series five was so good with the always on display for a lot of us that
0:14:14really changed how we feel about the Apple Watch. The Series 6 builds on that
0:14:18and I think the headline here is the blood oxygen sensor which is cool it
0:14:23lets them do a lot of fitness tracking with VO2 Max and all these other things
0:14:27that we can just pretend we all understand. Is VO2 Max the bigger version
0:14:32of VO2 like the iPhone? Is that how they do that? Yeah. So they have regular VO2
0:14:36and then VO2 Max if you have big oxygen. And the VO2 Mini won't get updated and
0:14:41everyone to be sad yeah I think it used to be called vo2+ what do you two think
0:14:57of the the Apple watch series 6 I'm gonna be honest I I kind of don't care
0:15:02about it like it doesn't I'm excited for all really but plus I'm a little bitter
0:15:08because they got rid of ceramic which I really like. So help me understand here
0:15:13Mykey you are now wearing an Apple watch again. On and off yeah. Okay. It's in my
0:15:19rotation of watches so like I have like a small selection of watches the Apple
0:15:25watch is one of them and sometimes I want to wear the Apple watch but I
0:15:29wear the Apple watch as a choice for how I'm feeling or if I think it will match
0:15:36what I'm wearing on a day or whatever or my mood right like I make the choice to
0:15:41wear the Apple watch like any other watch when I do wear the Apple watch it
0:15:44is permanently on do not disturb got it okay not not very good Apple watch user
0:15:50to be honest hmm but I do wear this one I do wear it you know maybe once every
0:15:57couple of weeks I'll put it on but that's kind of what I do I wear each of
0:16:00my watches for like a week at a time but you wouldn't say you are enthusiastic
0:16:05about the Apple Watch? No, no, not really. Actually, not at all. No. Actually, I kind
0:16:12of hate it. Actually, I'm gonna throw this thing straight in the trash. No, I just, I
0:16:17don't, I personally don't feel a great need for the majority of features that most people
0:16:23really enjoy about their Apple Watches. Right? Like, that's kind of just how I feel about
0:16:30the Apple Watch now. Is it safe to assume then that we're still gonna all the
0:16:35three of us we're gonna get a Series 6? I mean, it doesn't sound like my case. Did you just hear what I see?
0:16:41Are you listening to what I said? Why do you think it's safe to assume? I still think you're gonna get one. No, I'm not gonna get one.
0:16:48Yeah sure. Look, because they've removed the only K-Star that I like, which is
0:16:53ceramic. Like, I don't like... And you sure you're not... and you're not gonna get
0:16:57the blue one or the red one? I like the blue one but I don't want it but like so
0:17:02the only reason I got the series 5 was because they added the always-on display
0:17:06right if they had never added the always-on display I never would have
0:17:10bought it and the series 6 adds no functionality that I'm interested in
0:17:14it's like I didn't buy the series 4 either right I like the look of the
0:17:16series 4 but I didn't get it because after I bought one for my wife I wore it
0:17:21for like a day just to try it out and didn't like that the screen went off so
0:17:26I was like, I don't want this.
0:17:27I like the Series 5 because I can see it's green
0:17:29all the time, and that was fantastic.
0:17:31But the Series 6 adds no functionality
0:17:34that I personally want, so I'm not gonna get one.
0:17:37- Yet I still don't believe you.
0:17:38I still think you're gonna get one,
0:17:39Steven is gonna get one.
0:17:41Steven for sure.
0:17:42I think Steven for sure is gonna get one.
0:17:44I know I'm getting one.
0:17:45- Yeah, but I'm not gonna get one.
0:17:47You wanna put some money on this?
0:17:49- Yeah, we'll see about that.
0:17:51I need to think about it.
0:17:54You do seem pretty convinced yourself.
0:17:56I am convinced. I am.
0:17:58Yeah, but you change your mind often.
0:18:00I do change my mind, yeah.
0:18:02So here's a way to look at it, Myke, if, you know,
0:18:04heaven forbid, you smashed your Apple Watch.
0:18:07Yeah.
0:18:08About accidentally.
0:18:08Yeah.
0:18:09And it was too expensive to fix.
0:18:11Would you go, would you replace it?
0:18:12Or do you live without it?
0:18:13I live without it.
0:18:15Or if some, you know, someday you wake up
0:18:17and you have that urge, that craving for a blue watch.
0:18:22Right.
0:18:24and it needs to be satisfied, right?
0:18:26What happens in that case?
0:18:28- I would go to a regular watch website
0:18:31and find a blue watch.
0:18:32- Nah, that's boring.
0:18:35- Any particular reason at this point?
0:18:39- Let's see in three months.
0:18:41- All right.
0:18:42- I really feel like, I mean,
0:18:44I know that the only new sensor is the blood oxygen
0:18:48monitoring thing, but I just feel like the new colors
0:18:53and the brighter screen, they just feel like really nice updates,
0:18:57even though it's not like a radical design change.
0:19:00No, like look, I'm not saying that it is a bad update for everyone.
0:19:04It's just the updates they have made
0:19:08are not things that I am particularly that focused on.
0:19:11If I was an everyday Apple Watch wearer,
0:19:14there would be enough in here for me to go ahead and get it.
0:19:18But as it stands right now,
0:19:19I can't see any reason why I would want this product.
0:19:24Even if they had said something like, this wouldn't be it for me, but if the battery
0:19:27life had gotten a lot better, that might be a thing.
0:19:30But it hasn't, which I'm quite surprised about.
0:19:34So I don't see, I don't have a need for this product.
0:19:39I'm getting one.
0:19:40I'm thinking about the color still.
0:19:42I think I'll just go plain boring.
0:19:43Do you have an order to get them?
0:19:46No no no no.
0:19:48What do you have now, Federico?
0:19:49I have the series 5 with these, I think it's called the stainless steel with the gold finish.
0:19:56What do you think about the new gold finish? It's gone back to yellow gold and stainless
0:20:00steel.
0:20:01I haven't actually looked at the website at all.
0:20:03Right.
0:20:04So I'm gonna do this now.
0:20:05You're busy?
0:20:06Why? Why haven't I looked?
0:20:08Yeah.
0:20:09Because I was busy and I forgot. Yeah, why do you say that with that kind of tone?
0:20:14Because I'm referencing a little joke about the fact that you're obviously very busy right
0:20:18now.
0:20:19I'm very busy.
0:20:20Right, so it's like a wink-wink.
0:20:21Haha, Federico's so busy.
0:20:23So okay, what's diff...
0:20:26I guess it's more yellow than before.
0:20:28Yeah, they actually refer to it as yellow gold, right?
0:20:30Because they had a rosy gold before.
0:20:33You see, the aluminium has retained the rosiness, but the stainless steel gold is more of a
0:20:38yellow gold, which I personally don't like.
0:20:42I don't like it.
0:20:43I don't like it.
0:20:44What's the regular steel?
0:20:46Yeah, probably regular steel this time then.
0:20:49My favorite thing about the color options is that they have introduced another dark
0:20:54color and given it another new name.
0:20:56So they have a color in stainless steel called graphite and I don't know why they've done
0:21:01that.
0:21:02Right?
0:21:03Like why is this just not space gray?
0:21:05And the titanium one is now space black, which used to be the dark stainless steel.
0:21:10What?
0:21:11I don't understand.
0:21:12I don't know why graphite is a thing that exists now.
0:21:17This is very confusing to me.
0:21:18Okay, so I see the graphite is the new steel color.
0:21:21Steel, yeah.
0:21:23So it's called graphite, but it's not made of graphite, it's made of steel.
0:21:27And graphite is the color, okay.
0:21:29Correct.
0:21:30Imagine a watch made of graphite, actual graphite, that would be fun.
0:21:33Would that be hard?
0:21:34I don't really feel like I know enough about graphite.
0:21:37What properties would I get from a graphite watch?
0:21:41I don't know, I don't think it can exist.
0:21:44No, I think I'll just go with regular stainless steel.
0:21:47The gold, the new gold finish is too gold. I preferred the rose tint from last year and
0:21:56the aluminum watch. I don't want to get an aluminum watch because it, I don't know, I
0:21:59just gotten used to the steel one. The way you used to the way, do you like the way I
0:22:04do? I really do. I really do. And the other one just feels kind of cheap at this point.
0:22:09Like a few weeks ago, I put on Sylvia's watch. She's using the series for aluminum, a rose
0:22:17gold whatever it was called. She had the smaller one than you too? Yeah she does but even then
0:22:23like the the material and it just feels kind of cheap compared to the steel one so I'm sticking
0:22:28with steel but the gold finish I don't like. No I don't like the gold. If you guys scroll down look
0:22:34at the Hermes watch they introduced this new band and I think it makes the watch look ridiculous.
0:22:40I want the double tour. No, no, they always have double tour. This is I think it's atelage is the is the style of band
0:22:47Where the lugs are like in the middle like they don't go all the way to the edges
0:22:53And it makes the watch look like the size of a billboard
0:22:56It's very strange. Where do I find so you go to the go to apple.com?
0:23:03Shop slash buy the hat - watch slash Apple - watch which is that memorable URL that everybody knows
0:23:10Or if you just click the buy page you go to this page of just an obscene amount of Apple watches
0:23:16They put on this page. Oh my you scroll down and you'll get to the Hermes one. You keep going
0:23:21It's like the big picture of it. They have it on the page
0:23:24And I think it looks really not nice. I don't like it. It's a very peculiar look underscore
0:23:32So which one don't you like?
0:23:34the Atelage doubletor
0:23:36Atelage doubletor. Do you see what I'm saying?
0:23:39So like the lungs which like the little like metal parts that attach to the band
0:23:44They are way more towards the center than the edges of the regular bands. Yeah, and it looks really weird
0:23:51That's all I have to say on the matter. Yeah, it's not nice right it
0:23:57It makes the watch look like it's too big or something.
0:24:00It's a very strange design.
0:24:03But I've always found the Hermes watch a weird thing anyway.
0:24:07I would just buy, honestly I would just buy this one just to say the word "double".
0:24:12If you just bought two Apple watch bands and connected them together, you could turn any
0:24:19band into a double tour.
0:24:21Yeah, I can say I have the double band.
0:24:24You could say you have the double tour sport band.
0:24:27Just get two of them.
0:24:29How did the French say sport?
0:24:31Did they just say sport?
0:24:33Uh, don't know, man.
0:24:35Double sportif.
0:24:36Is that something they would say?
0:24:37Maybe.
0:24:38Yeah, let's go with that.
0:24:39Double sportif.
0:24:40That's what you have.
0:24:41That's what you have.
0:24:42It's a one-off Puerto Rico phone.
0:24:45This is a serious Apple podcast.
0:24:48Sometimes.
0:24:49All right.
0:24:51So do we have anything more to say on the Apple Watch?
0:24:53Maybe we'll come back to it in a little bit more detail later, but do we want to move
0:24:57on with your first pick Federica?
0:24:58Wow, you're just going to skip over me and what I'm going to do with the Apple Watch?
0:25:03What are you doing?
0:25:04We just want to see if you're buying one.
0:25:06Good job, good job.
0:25:07I mean, you picked correctly.
0:25:09It's using the same design.
0:25:11Good job.
0:25:13Yeah, I've got the Series 5 in titanium, which I really like, but it was really expensive.
0:25:22what I should do because I generally upgrade every year is I should go to aluminum and I actually like
0:25:28the light weightness of it
0:25:30But I've had two aluminum watches over the years and I scratched the screens to Kingdom Come like they're just that ion glass is not
0:25:38scratch resistant enough for me
0:25:40Which is why I've gone nicer because you get the sapphire and my titanium watch a year later. I'm looking at now
0:25:47Other than one little nick in the corner. It looks
0:25:52Brand new like no scratches. No scuffs. It's really held up. Well, I really like the titanium
0:25:57But that's a lot of money for a year of your update
0:26:00So for now, I'm sitting out now I guarantee this Stevens gonna get one like, you know
0:26:05We can we can say about me but like, you know, I talk about mr. Flip-flop of it, right?
0:26:11Mmm, you're on board of this Federico
0:26:14What?
0:26:16Stevens gonna buy one. Oh
0:26:18Absolutely. Yes. Yeah. Yes, mr. Flip-flop
0:26:22I don't even know what we're arguing about these things anymore
0:26:24Well, I look because I am NOT going to get one this whole dance of Willie or wonny like it's gonna get one just
0:26:33Giving time. Oh, by the way, I bought an iPad mini today. Oh
0:26:37Yes
0:26:39I think you're gonna like it. It's a nice place for the reasons that you have one, but I did buy one I
0:26:47Can I tell people how this happened because yeah, you guys give me a lot of trouble for justifying
0:26:53purchases
0:26:55But this morning in our group thread
0:26:57I'm just scrolling up because I want to read exactly what you wrote. Normally we don't do this
0:27:01Normally, this is private, but I want to read what you wrote basically like what now I can't find
0:27:05There's so many text messages in here. What do you want? You should have been come prepared. Okay, so here it is
0:27:11so I want a screen during the podcast of on to have what's
0:27:15that's always on showing me the live stream blah blah blah
0:27:18Blah blah blah the reason you're saying I had no reason you've just blah blah blah the reason but I want it to be small
0:27:25So it doesn't distract me
0:27:27I can only think of the iPad mini as a good use case
0:27:30But I don't have one if I was going to get one
0:27:34help me for what I could use it for and then we suggested things like smart home controller and reading and
0:27:40we tip you over the edge I
0:27:43decided to I needed another screen during the podcastathon
0:27:47I only have a small space that it can go on on the cart that I have all of the gear on that's being moved
0:27:52From place to place because I also need to be able to make sure I can see what's going on on the live stream
0:27:58Because on the laptop that I'm using that's where I'm gonna be seeing like the video call, right?
0:28:03And I didn't have a computer that would fit in that space because I don't have
0:28:09My iPads are too big plus I need them
0:28:13for the Podcastathon itself.
0:28:16And then I was thinking, well, do I have a phone
0:28:19that I can do this with?
0:28:19I was like, yeah, but none of them can stand up.
0:28:21And I thought about getting a stand for a phone,
0:28:24but I was like, I don't know what I would use
0:28:25that would give me a big enough screen.
0:28:27'Cause I need to be able to see the screen
0:28:30from far enough away when I'm in,
0:28:32what was we going with, balloon?
0:28:34It was balloon, right?
0:28:35- Balloon.
0:28:36- When I'm in balloon, I need to be able to see the screen,
0:28:38so it needs to be big enough.
0:28:40But I don't want it to be so big that it's distracting me.
0:28:42and the iPad Mini seemed like the perfect use case for that.
0:28:45So I wanted to get one for that, but then I was like,
0:28:47well, I don't want to just buy it and use it
0:28:49for this one thing, so help me think of other things
0:28:52that I could use it for.
0:28:53And then Steven recommended a smart home controller
0:28:56and stuff like that, which would actually be really useful
0:28:58for the studio, so that iPad will live in the studio
0:29:01and can be used for things to be done here.
0:29:03So yeah, I did need justification from the both of you,
0:29:07but there was a genuine reason behind it.
0:29:10And I just thought that I would say,
0:29:11Like this is the Apple product that I bought after the September event was an iPad Mini.
0:29:17Yeah, where they specifically avoided the fact that the iPad Mini exists.
0:29:23Yeah, yeah.
0:29:25I bought the gold one with one of the blue cases, the light blue cases.
0:29:29I think it's going to look really nice.
0:29:30Oh yeah, that's what I have on mine.
0:29:32The light blue Smart Cover.
0:29:33I really like it.
0:29:34Mm-hmm.
0:29:35The nice thing about the iPad Mini is that you end up finding reasons to use it once
0:29:40you get one because it's just nice to hold and to use. So I think you may have a specific
0:29:47purpose for it right now this week, but I think you will end up using it for more things
0:29:52once you realize just how cute and convenient it is.
0:29:55I'm interested to go on their journey and I will report back in a future episode about
0:30:00what other things I use it for.
0:30:03Yeah.
0:30:04All right, Federico, what was your round one pick?
0:30:06So I said at least one of the new non-Pro iPads will have an iPad Pro inspired design,
0:30:13and the sub-clause here was "The flat sides are key".
0:30:18So obviously, yes, thank you, the base model iPad was also announced with no design change,
0:30:25so it still looks like an old iPad, but the new iPad Air has that iPad Pro design with
0:30:30the liquid Retina display and the flat edges and support for the Magic Keyboard and Apple
0:30:35Pencil 2 so obviously iPad Pro inspired design and yeah that was my my first
0:30:41pick. Do you want to talk about the iPad now? Let's come back to the iPad
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0:32:33So my second pick was that Apple unveils a new iPad, not Pro.
0:32:41And we got, I mean, I kind of like one and a half, right?
0:32:43So we've got the new iPad Air and also the quite boring iPad 8th generation, but cool
0:32:49that it still exists.
0:32:50It's a good price.
0:32:52Our customers love our iPad 7th generation
0:32:54because it delivers a beautiful 10.2 inch Retina display
0:32:58with support for Apple Pencil
0:33:00and the full-size smart keyboard,
0:33:02all in a thin, light, and affordable design.
0:33:05And our customers love all the things they can do with it,
0:33:08from taking notes as they learn something new
0:33:10to playing their favorite game.
0:33:13So this year, we're taking its beloved design
0:33:15and cranking up the performance with this.
0:33:19iPad 8th generation. It's more capable than ever and it starts with the a12 bionic
0:33:26I'm not begrudging its existence. I think it is a great product to exist at the price that it's at
0:33:32I think it's great, but it's not an exciting product right like it doesn't
0:33:36Who's who's fire is it lying on this show? Okay, that's what I wanted to get to because it is an important product and
0:33:44I think that it's I think you're probably right that they got a lot more time than it deserved
0:33:50It is weird that they updated this now like
0:33:55This is an education purchase. I mean that they kind of aim it towards education
0:33:59It's $2.99 for schools, which is still a lot of money
0:34:02But like why are you updating in September when they're not gonna buy anything for schools until April or May like it's just
0:34:08I just feel like this product, like Apple needs to decide if it's for the public or
0:34:13if it's for education and trying to do both on a fall release schedule just doesn't work
0:34:18for anybody.
0:34:19All right, up next, I said that at least one new non-pro iPad would switch to USB-C.
0:34:27Yeah, I had a lot of doubt in that.
0:34:31We said it was kind of risky even for a regular peak, so good job in believing your assumptions.
0:34:37I think that this this pick is a you know, like how we're saying we mean for a couple
0:34:42it was risky because it seemed like too much too soon. This iPad Air feels the whole product
0:34:47I could describe as it feels too much too soon to me. Like it has taken such a leap
0:34:53towards the iPad Pro and passed it in some areas. I'm very surprised about this product.
0:35:01It is it feels almost too good in the lineup.
0:35:04The new iPad Air starts with a gorgeous design.
0:35:07The all-new thin in-light enclosure
0:35:09and narrow border design
0:35:11features a beautiful all-screen display.
0:35:14Each element of iPad Air is meticulously crafted,
0:35:17from the precisely machined top button
0:35:19to the sculpted detail around the camera.
0:35:22And the new iPad Air design comes in five gorgeous colors,
0:35:26including a new rose gold, green, and sky blue finish.
0:35:30Our customers are going to love these colors.
0:35:33And this new design features a stunning liquid retina display.
0:35:37In the same footprint as the previous Air,
0:35:39the new iPad Air features a larger 10.9-inch liquid retina
0:35:43display with a resolution of 2360 by 1640.
0:35:47To give our customers this beautiful all-screen design
0:35:50meant finding a new home for one of the most popular features--
0:35:53Touch ID.
0:35:55So we designed a next generation Touch ID
0:35:57and integrated it right into the top button.
0:36:01I am very excited about the iPad Air.
0:36:04I think it's a very compelling product.
0:36:08We actually have an entire episode of ADAPT,
0:36:10Ryan and I coming out tomorrow.
0:36:12Nice.
0:36:13Where we discuss about the iPad Air in the context of,
0:36:15you know, we both use the iPad Pro.
0:36:18But I think it's very exciting
0:36:19and it's a very compelling product in 2020
0:36:22to be able to have, considering, you know,
0:36:25something that Apple also said
0:36:26at the beginning of the event,
0:36:27all these people now, unfortunately,
0:36:29working from home and having to communicate from home,
0:36:32to create from home, to have all of those key iPad Pro
0:36:37features, like the second generation
0:36:40pencil, like the new liquid reading on display,
0:36:42like the Magic Keyboard, all those things coming
0:36:45to an iPad that is much cheaper than an iPad Pro that removes
0:36:50some of the features for--
0:36:51doesn't have a lot of--
0:36:53all the same features of the iPad Pro,
0:36:55but arguably features that maybe for a lot of people
0:36:57are non-essential.
0:36:59So to have a cheaper iPad that is arguably as powerful as an iPad Pro
0:37:06without some of the niceties of an iPad Pro and much more powerful than a base model iPad.
0:37:12I think it's a very interesting and fascinating product to release in 2020
0:37:17considering all the things going on.
0:37:19So I'm very excited to try this out.
0:37:22I think like if you wonder why people love the iPad Pro so much
0:37:28or if you think, "Oh man, I would love to work like that,
0:37:32but the iPad Pro is maybe a little bit outside of my reach."
0:37:35This is a product that can give you basically all of the benefits of the iPad Pro.
0:37:42Really, honestly, this is the iPad to buy right now.
0:37:46I think so.
0:37:47I have always said that the 11-inch iPad Pro is the best iPad Pro for most people.
0:37:54The 12.9 inch iPad Pro is a device that you should only buy if you know you need it beforehand
0:38:01because it comes with some trade-offs due to its size and the weight and stuff like
0:38:05that.
0:38:06And that the 11 inch iPad Pro is the superior for most people in most cases.
0:38:11And I really think that the larger iPad Pro is a much smaller use case.
0:38:16But the current generation iPad Air is as good in many areas, better in some others
0:38:23and depending on where you're coming from could have like if you don't like face ID
0:38:27right you've got touch ID built into the power button which is great now I would say after
0:38:33having used face ID on an iPad I wouldn't want to go back to touch ID because I actually
0:38:38prefer face ID at the moment on my iPad to my iPhone because I'm only using my iPad when
0:38:44I don't have a mask on because I'm indoors right and but if you've not had face ID on
0:38:51an iPad before, then you have no, like you don't really have something to compare it
0:38:57to so you can just keep using Touch ID and you still get all the benefit of the bigger
0:39:02display with the thin bezels.
0:39:05I think this is a very cool product and I think the thing that is the most surprising
0:39:11is the fact that they put the brand new chip in this before anything else, right?
0:39:15And I know that this is just a set of circumstances that led to this occurring, like this obviously
0:39:21was not the plan, but it's still kind of cool that it's happened anyway.
0:39:26Something I said on Adapt, which I also want to repeat here, is that I feel like up to
0:39:30this day, whenever we said, you know, the 11-inch iPad Pro is the best iPad to buy,
0:39:36and I think a lot of people were buying an iPad Pro even if they were non-pros, because
0:39:43it was the best model, because it was the best option, now they don't have to anymore,
0:39:48Because the iPad Air is the best option for those people.
0:39:52Now if you're a pro and you actually need an iPad Pro because of the, you know, more
0:39:56memory, more storage, all those other promotion, all those other features, then fine.
0:40:02So it's like you're not forced to buy an iPad Pro anymore.
0:40:06And I think that's great news for a lot of people, especially, you know, if you don't
0:40:09want to spend X hundred dollars more on the Pro.
0:40:15The only downside for me is that it starts at 64GB.
0:40:20Yeah, I know.
0:40:21I think that's...
0:40:22That's unfortunate.
0:40:24That's not good.
0:40:25Like what does the iPhone 11 start at size-wise now?
0:40:29Yeah, it also starts at 64GB.
0:40:32But I just think an iPad at 64GB, for a lot of the uses that people have for iPads, you're
0:40:37going to bump into that quite fast.
0:40:39I would have liked to have seen them start that at 128GB.
0:40:43I think it's time to move on from hard disks in Macs, it's time to move away from 64 gigabytes
0:40:51in iOS devices. It just is. There are games on Apple Arcade that are like 1.5 to 2 gigabytes.
0:41:02I think we spoke about this, right? Did we speak about it on this show where I basically
0:41:07said that I'd run out of space on my iPhone? Was that a conversation that we had? But yeah,
0:41:12Yeah, I've run out of space on my iPhone.
0:41:14Wait, hang on.
0:41:15You talk to other people?
0:41:17Sometimes.
0:41:18It's all private conversations.
0:41:19But I actually had to delete some stuff off my phone recently, well, like yesterday, to
0:41:24download iOS 14.
0:41:26I'm out of space on my iPhone, boys.
0:41:28It's bad news.
0:41:29It's because I keep all my photos on there.
0:41:30But there you go.
0:41:32All right, time for my second regular pick.
0:41:35I said, Apple introduces a new lower-end Apple Watch model in addition to the higher-end
0:41:42Series 6.
0:41:43And sure enough, there's the new Apple Watch SE.
0:41:51The second thing we're doing to make Apple Watch available to even more people is to
0:41:55create a new model that combines elements of Series 6 design with the most essential
0:42:00features of Apple Watch.
0:42:03All at a more affordable price.
0:42:05We call it Apple Watch SE.
0:42:09Apple Watch SE has the features customers love.
0:42:14It has everything you need to stay connected,
0:42:16be more active, and keep an eye on your health.
0:42:19And like Series 6, Apple Watch SE
0:42:21uses our largest and most advanced watch display,
0:42:25allowing you to see so much more at a glance--
0:42:28more information and apps on your watch face,
0:42:30more in messages, calendar, and maps,
0:42:33and larger and easier-to-read metrics
0:42:35while you're working out.
0:42:37And for fast access to information and apps,
0:42:40Apple Watch SE uses the S5 chip
0:42:43for up to two times faster performance than Series 3.
0:42:46And staying connected is even easier
0:42:48with the cellular models,
0:42:49which allow you to make phone calls and messages and more,
0:42:52even without your phone.
0:42:54And with family setup,
0:42:55cellular models of Apple Watch SE
0:42:57will also be great for kids.
0:43:00Customers love using Apple Watch
0:43:02for fitness and working out,
0:43:04and Apple Watch SE has the same accelerometer, gyroscope,
0:43:07compass, and altimeter as Series 6.
0:43:11And because it has the latest motion sensors,
0:43:13Apple Watch SE also supports fall detection,
0:43:17a feature that's made a life-saving difference
0:43:19for many Apple Watch wearers.
0:43:20With all of these features and more,
0:43:23including the new capabilities in watchOS 7,
0:43:26we think Apple Watch SE will be the perfect watch
0:43:28for many new customers.
0:43:30Apple Watch SC starts at just $279.
0:43:34- Does it have the same chip as the Series 5,
0:43:37but it doesn't have things like the Always-On Display
0:43:40and the ECG, doesn't have a bunch of features,
0:43:44but it's cheaper and it's a more affordable way
0:43:47to get into the Apple Watch ecosystem.
0:43:49So I really like this addition,
0:43:52especially in the context of somebody
0:43:55who maybe wants to give an Apple Watch
0:43:58to a parent for example, to an older relative or to a child,
0:44:03this is a much better way, well maybe not to a child
0:44:05because the new family stuff doesn't work on the,
0:44:07doesn't new family stuff work on the Apple Watch SE?
0:44:10- It works on the SE, not the Series 3.
0:44:13That might be the story that you're confusing.
0:44:15- Right, so it works on the SE, okay.
0:44:17So yeah, I think it's a great way
0:44:19that you can now buy a more affordable Apple Watch.
0:44:21Doesn't have all the fancy features,
0:44:23but if you wanna, especially as a gift,
0:44:25I think it's a very nice gift.
0:44:26mean you can get it $279 for the GPS I mean it's $329 for GPS and cellular so
0:44:33that's a very good deal and if you want the family one you have to get the
0:44:37cellular version yes yes I think that I think that price is too much you think
0:44:43so yeah I think $329 is too much. $329 is too much? I'm talking about it in the vein of the family thing right so like
0:44:51the family thing with the stereo positioning. I think $329 is too much.
0:44:56I mean it's still a cellular watch though. I know but I think it's too much. I think
0:45:03it's too expensive. I mean look the Apple have the the ability to create any
0:45:07product that they want right and this is the product that they decided to make.
0:45:12You could have kept the LTE series 3 around or brought that back and sold
0:45:19that for 250 and included that in the family plan but they decided not to do
0:45:26that I think that for what people were expecting right like when you when we
0:45:31heard the rumor of there's gonna be two watches I think our expectation was that
0:45:36well one I don't think anybody thought the series 3 would stick around after we
0:45:40heard that rumor and that the watch that replaced quote-unquote replaced the
0:45:45Series 3 in our minds would have been towards that price and I think that starting at the
0:45:51best part of $100 more, it doesn't feel like a cheaper watch. It just feels like a watch
0:45:56that's in the middle still. I'm just going to say I don't think that this is priced very
0:46:02well for most people, especially in the idea of this is the watch that you buy for your
0:46:0812 year old child. I don't know, I feel like if I had a 12 year old and they were
0:46:15were constantly going to school or to soccer practice or whatever, it's probably an investment
0:46:20I would make just to feel safer myself. I don't know, maybe it's just me.
0:46:25I'm not saying... Okay, so in those exact circumstances, I would consider that. But
0:46:32I still think that price is too high. Yeah, it's not cheap. But can you... I don't
0:46:38know. I tend to prefer spending money on things that make you feel safer. I think it's always
0:46:43a good investment. So maybe I'm, you know, I'm biased here because I have the peace of
0:46:49mind of knowing that my kid is safe and I can monitor, you know, and I have all these
0:46:52other features. I get it. It's not cheap. However, it's also a good investment, you
0:46:57know, for your safety and for your family's safety and your peace of mind. So I don't
0:47:00know. I'm just saying that it doesn't feel like an absurd purchase if you're that type
0:47:05of parent. Maybe. I know I would be.
0:47:08Yeah, I understand what you're saying. I just think that the pricing is very strange. It's
0:47:17not strange what they're offering, but I think this lineup does not match what I thought
0:47:23the lineup was going to look like. The way that it seemed logical to me anyway. I also
0:47:29think that the feature differences from the SC to the Series 6 are also maybe a little
0:47:36wider than I expected for the difference in money.
0:47:39Like, the SE is actually way closer to the Series 3 in a lot of areas, but it's actually
0:47:47further away from that in price, and it's closer to the Series 6 in price, but you,
0:47:53for example, don't even get the always-on display, which I think is quite a downside.
0:48:00Let's take a moment and talk about the score.
0:48:03So right now, so round one we all got correct, round two we all got correct, so we are all
0:48:07tied at two points.
0:48:10So now moving into the risky picks.
0:48:15Myke, you're up first.
0:48:18A non-pro iPad gets a LiDAR sensor.
0:48:23This didn't feel as risky to me.
0:48:25I thought I had this one locked, but I did not.
0:48:30I can't believe all the things that iPad Air got and it didn't get this.
0:48:35Something's gotta give, right? I mean, they were bringing all these features to the Air.
0:48:41And obviously they needed to cut something. And what got cut was Face ID, ProMotion and
0:48:49LiDAR. So, um, but that's what made the pick risky, right? We knew that it wasn't going
0:48:57to be an exact replica of an iPad Pro. Some features were getting cut in the transition,
0:49:03you know, trickling down from the Pro to the Air. Obviously, it's not like they were going to make
0:49:08another iPad Pro. And that's what made the pick risky. And yeah, unfortunately, Lighter is not
0:49:14part of the feature set. Steven, what did you pick? Oh boy. All right. We told you, we warned you,
0:49:25We told you that the rumors were seen in 2021, and yet you didn't listen.
0:49:30The iPad mini will be updated with a new design inspired by the iPad Pro's design.
0:49:37Didn't get it right off the bat. Right off the bat, Tim Cook was like,
0:49:41"Today, we're updating the rest of our full-size iPad lineup."
0:49:46And I knew then that I lost this one.
0:49:49And my risky pick is what eventually, I guess, decided this show.
0:49:55I said a new Apple Watch has at least one new built-in app
0:50:02because of an exclusive feature not found on existing watches.
0:50:06And so my reasoning for this was if they're adding a new sensor
0:50:10for blood oxygen monitoring, there must be a way to actually see this data.
0:50:15And I thought when they did this before for ECG,
0:50:19They didn't just add more features to the heart rate application
0:50:24They actually made it a separate app. And so I thought if they're gonna add blood oxygen monitoring
0:50:29They're also gonna make an app for that and sure enough watchOS 7 on that Apple watch model as the new
0:50:35What's it called? Just blood up?
0:50:37That lets you very nice-looking by the way. Is the app called blood?
0:50:43I think so? I think it's called blood
0:50:48That's not really his name.
0:50:50Which we should double check, but I think it's...
0:50:54I mean like the other one's called ECG.
0:50:56I think it's called blood oxygen.
0:50:58Yeah, I think it's blood oxygen.
0:50:59Okay.
0:50:59It's called blood oxygen?
0:51:00Okay, that's a bit better than just the blood app.
0:51:03It's a bit better, but still the word blood is in there.
0:51:05Wait, is it called blood oxygen?
0:51:07Are you positive?
0:51:10I tried to find this earlier and was struggling a little bit.
0:51:14So Blatto 2, let's see.
0:51:17Is there any way to...
0:51:19The chat room says Blood Oxygen is the name.
0:51:22Yeah, Blood Oxygen. Okay, so the new Blood Oxygen app is...
0:51:26Yeah, measuring your blood oxygen levels with the Blood Oxygen app on Apple Watch Series 6.
0:51:32I found that too.
0:51:33Perfect. So there's a new app and...
0:51:37Yeah, that was my pick. Just because I thought if they're gonna do this, it's not gonna be part of...
0:51:42It's not gonna be a feature of something else. It's gonna be its own thing.
0:51:45And that got me the point.
0:51:49I have just sent you an iMessage with a 1Password link.
0:51:55Thank you very much.
0:51:56For the Keynote Chairman account, which you now are in control of both Twitter accounts,
0:52:03which maybe you'll still continue to do nothing with.
0:52:06No, I do.
0:52:08Now that I have full control over this media empire, I'm just going to have conversations
0:52:13with myself.
0:52:14You just waiting to consolidate power. Now you've got it all.
0:52:19Learned from Berlusconi here. It's all about control. No, that's a joke.
0:52:26Please continue, Federico. I'd like to hear some more.
0:52:29It's obviously a sad joke about the fact that Italian politics were controlled by a media
0:52:34mogul for many years.
0:52:36Now you control all of this.
0:52:38Now I am in control of two Twitter accounts.
0:52:41Because I don't have long, it's not long now until I seize control of the annual account
0:52:48from you. It's not long now.
0:52:50Well congratulations Federico.
0:52:52Yeah congratulations Federico, clean sweep. That's the rare Ricky clean sweep. Bravo,
0:52:58you got all of it. No coin flips, nothing.
0:53:02Yeah I got all of them and actually we're gonna look at the flexes too. That's also
0:53:08surprising results there.
0:53:09You cleaned up my friend.
0:53:10to say for someone who has had historically quite bad luck over the last year when it
0:53:16comes to Ricky's, you did a very good job here. Very good job. It's because this time
0:53:22I decided to care. Oh come on, don't do that. In the past I always thought, you know, I'm
0:53:28going to do this for fun. I thought we were going to get through this. You both started
0:53:33doubting me and making fun of me. And so that's when I decided to play hard. And these are
0:53:38the results. Yeah. Alright then. Well, you know, I did have a thought to myself today.
0:53:44You could lose this in like four weeks. Sure. Want to see how it goes? I was thinking about that,
0:53:51like this could be a very quick turnaround, couldn't it? Oh, we need to coin flip for second.
0:53:57Yes, we do. I was getting ready to say there is a coin flip we need to do.
0:54:02So Federico, you need to do the coin flip.
0:54:05So just make sure that Siri always talks.
0:54:11Steven, I'm going to let you choose, because I feel like I've always been the one who's chosen.
0:54:17OK, so while Federico is setting up Siri, yeah, I'm ready.
0:54:20Listeners should know the last two Ricky's, the 2019 annual predictions and WBC 2020.
0:54:27I was in a coin toss with Myke in both of them.
0:54:32and I lost both of those coin tosses.
0:54:34Which is why I'm letting you pick.
0:54:35Alright.
0:54:36Alright.
0:54:37Should I request the coin flip?
0:54:39No, Steven has to save first, doesn't he?
0:54:41Yep.
0:54:42I call heads.
0:54:43Okay.
0:54:44Flip a coin.
0:54:45Tails!
0:54:46Yes!
0:54:47Come on!
0:54:48Is he best of three or best of one?
0:54:54No, that's one and done.
0:54:58Well, he doesn't deserve this, but Steven, you lost.
0:55:03What do you mean?
0:55:06Oh, Steven doesn't deserve it.
0:55:07I thought you meant I didn't deserve it.
0:55:08No, no, you don't deserve this, Myke.
0:55:10Why?
0:55:11Just because, as we mentioned before, Steven had more passion in his picks.
0:55:18He got a very risky second point for regular pick.
0:55:22So Steven deserves our respect and admiration for this loss.
0:55:27He does.
0:55:28Which, yeah.
0:55:29Steven deserves all of our respect and admiration, but there isn't such a thing as saying that
0:55:34I don't deserve winning.
0:55:35That's not fair, I feel.
0:55:37But it's not winning as much, not losing, which is different.
0:55:41Same, same, same.
0:55:42No, no, no.
0:55:43Same thing in this case.
0:55:44I won a secondary victory, which is the second hand victory given to me by the current victor.
0:55:54So you gave me a victory.
0:55:55So thank you for that.
0:55:56Okay, sure. Look, you know what? I do respect your way of sneaking out of this.
0:56:03It does feel like something you would respect, yes.
0:56:08It's something I would do, something I would respect.
0:56:10Yes, that's good.
0:56:11You now deserve your secondary victory.
0:56:13Haha, there we go.
0:56:14I changed my mind. It's one of my many qualities, changing my mind.
0:56:17Are you ready to raise the stakes?
0:56:19Oh, I am.
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0:58:22I think it's important for the flexes that we should actually restate the rules of the
0:58:30flexes.
0:58:31Okay. Let me read those for you.
0:58:33I just think it's important for this section specifically to just give a very quick restating
0:58:38of what the flexes are about.
0:58:40Okay.
0:58:41of the non graded flexes must compensate the winner of the flexes by donating to their
0:58:47charity of the winners choice. The amount of the nation is $25 per wrong flexi made
0:58:54by the loser. In case of a tie, the ratio of correct to incorrect flexes will be taken
0:58:59into account. And each host must make a minimum of five flexi picks and this year I did five.
0:59:07I did six and the two of y'all did five. So I say we go through all the mics and then
0:59:14all the mine and all the Federico's and then we kind of regroup at the end. How does that
0:59:17sound?
0:59:18Yeah, that works. I'd forgotten about the ratio rule. Interesting.
0:59:22Yeah, we haven't ever had to enact that. So it might not work. We'll just find out in
0:59:27the future.
0:59:28Probably won't.
0:59:29Wait, can you repeat that actually?
0:59:30Yeah, here we go. Here we go.
0:59:33In the case of a tie, the ratio of correct to incorrect flexes will be taken into account.
0:59:40Wait, if it's a tie, that'd be the same number.
0:59:42Yeah, but there's no...
0:59:46Wait...
0:59:47No, because in this case, for example, you have six flexes and Myke has five.
0:59:52Oh, right.
0:59:53Okay.
0:59:54Yeah.
0:59:55So there is the possibility that we can't tie break, but that's a constitutional error
1:00:00that we'll just maybe come across at some point in the future.
1:00:03but not today.
1:00:04(laughing)
1:00:05- Maybe not today, we'll find out.
1:00:07So these are my flexies.
1:00:08Do I wanna grade them as I read them through?
1:00:12- Yeah, we'll give you a quick yes or no.
1:00:14- All right, details of a new iPad mini.
1:00:16- We're updating the rest of our full-size iPad lineup.
1:00:19Full-size iPad lineup, full-size iPad, full-size-
1:00:22- Nope.
1:00:23- Someone washes their hands during the presentation.
1:00:26- Sadly, no.
1:00:27- Can't believe I didn't get that one.
1:00:28That one felt-
1:00:29- No hand washing.
1:00:30- I was hoping for it.
1:00:31like a lock to me. New non pro iPad gets second generation Apple pencil. WatchOS 7
1:00:38gets the software feature we haven't seen yet. Yeah there's actually lots of
1:00:43those right like there were lots of little things. Yeah a bunch of watch
1:00:46faces we hadn't seen. Yeah. And we get no specific date for iOS 14 launching
1:00:52during the presentation. We got that. Who marked that as red? We got that. We got no
1:00:58specific date for yes no we did they said it's launching tomorrow Tim Cook
1:01:02said it during the presentation tomorrow someone tried to mock me as wrong
1:01:06ridiculous no you are wrong oh sorry I'm reading it incorrectly yeah yeah yeah
1:01:12you are wrong man of mine sorry sorry sorry sorry I just told PTSD for a bunch
1:01:16of developers I apologize I'm really really very sorry about that I got that
1:01:20wrong. So two correct flexes, three wrong ones. Yeah. What's the ratio? I got what?
1:01:3240%? I think it's right to wrong. So it's 2 to 3. I was 40% correct.
1:01:37Sure. 40% correct. Yeah. Cool. Steven? Jaws wears a non-solid color shirt.
1:01:48Well, it was just even there was no jaws man. We don't know what he was wearing. This could have been right
1:01:53Yeah, the problem is we've seen more of Craig in those
1:01:56One second shots then of jaws in those zero second shots
1:02:01Yeah, Craig looked really stressed out almost as if someone told him they were launching. I was 14 the next day with no warning
1:02:07Oh my god, I haven't thought that that's hilarious. You know, that's somebody is him. So he makes the call
1:02:13So it's kind of his fault. All right, you know
1:02:17So my second flexi event looks mostly like WWDC not all on stage in a theater
1:02:24but using different parts of the campus or outside world.
1:02:27That. Enjoy that bell. Apple somehow sets expectations for when the iPhone will be
1:02:33announced. Mm-hmm. Nope. Can't believe they didn't do this. All they did was today
1:02:38we're talking about the watch and the iPad and just didn't talk about the
1:02:42phone at all. Here at Apple we feel a deep responsibility to keep innovating, to continue
1:02:48making products that enrich people's lives in meaningful ways. Today we're focusing on
1:02:54two products that have played integral roles in people's everyday lives, Apple Watch and
1:03:00iPad. They at least did that, right, like they set it out straight away up front, but
1:03:05yeah I was super surprised about that. As an act of courtesy up front, but yeah they
1:03:12just as if it's totally normal. Why would you expect an iPhone in September?
1:03:17Yeah, what's wrong with you? It's not delayed.
1:03:20That's so silly.
1:03:21It's not delayed.
1:03:22It can't be delayed. We never said it. Well, they actually did say.
1:03:25What on earth would be... Yeah, actually they did say it was delayed.
1:03:28They actually did say it.
1:03:29This was the one time they did say it.
1:03:31It actually is delayed.
1:03:32Yeah, Luca said it. He actually said it. Those are the words.
1:03:36Have you all gotten text messages from people in your life wondering why there's not a new
1:03:40iPhone this year?
1:03:40No, yeah.
1:03:41- Surprisingly, no. - Oh, I've gotten one.
1:03:44- But I do have a friend coming over for dinner,
1:03:47and she's probably, like, I'm 95% positive
1:03:51she's gonna ask.
1:03:52- Yeah, if I had any conversation with someone,
1:03:55they would mention it, right?
1:03:56Like if I was in some kind of conversation,
1:03:58no one's coming out with a blue and saying to me,
1:03:59"Where's the iPhone?"
1:04:01But if I was having a phone conversation,
1:04:03or I was having dinner with someone,
1:04:04they would, like any person in my life,
1:04:06they would 100% say, "Where's the new iPhone?"
1:04:08Like I would know, you know?
1:04:11All right, up next for me, the removal of Force Touch
1:04:14in WatchOS is framed as the inclusion of Haptic Touch.
1:04:18This was a wild one.
1:04:20This I still don't fully understand.
1:04:24And I said this last week, and I'm going to say it again.
1:04:27With this sentence, what you were trying to say
1:04:30is that Apple was going to talk about removing Force Touch
1:04:37as actually introducing haptic touch.
1:04:40Okay.
1:04:42But they actually said nothing about either of these things.
1:04:45- Any of that, yeah.
1:04:46Nothing. - Just, yeah.
1:04:50So we don't actually know because there's no,
1:04:53I was gonna say, you probably can know
1:04:55from the hands-on area, there's no hands-on area.
1:04:58So we don't know how the thing actually,
1:05:00if it deals any differently with long press gestures
1:05:04on screen, given the first touch is gone,
1:05:08I assume there's gonna be no difference from the Series 5.
1:05:12It's just, if you install WatchOS 7 on a Series 5,
1:05:15that's what it's gonna look like.
1:05:17- Yeah, 'cause it's gone, right?
1:05:18Anyway. - It's gone.
1:05:19Well, the hardware is in there.
1:05:21It's just disabled now.
1:05:23So, as if it doesn't exist.
1:05:25So, I assume it's just, nothing's gonna change,
1:05:29and because of that, they said nothing.
1:05:31- That's wild, by the way.
1:05:33Steven is the resident historian.
1:05:35Can you think of a time they've done this in recent memory,
1:05:37like disabled a hardware feature
1:05:39in currently existing products?
1:05:43I guess they do it with the iPhone?
1:05:45- No, because if you had a force,
1:05:48well, I'm assuming this, if you have a force touch,
1:05:51like if you have an iPhone 10 running on iOS 13,
1:05:54it still uses the force and not long press, I think.
1:05:57Maybe the Discord can help,
1:05:59but it's definitely super weird, super weird.
1:06:02It's a strange thing to do. It's a strange thing to do
1:06:04Up next preview of fall Apple TV content
1:06:09Nothing. No, this is too soon my friend and
1:06:12My sixth one so this was graded incorrectly
1:06:16But I got it right actually Apple will not unveil additional details about the release of the first Apple Silicon Max
1:06:23You got that right? So I got two out of six my got two out of five
1:06:29So Myke got more right now you see why my idea of the ratio was such a stroke of genius
1:06:36Yeah, cuz you got 33% correct exactly because of the ratio
1:06:40You lost the flexes. Yeah, you over we don't know what yours are yet. You over flexed Steven you you over flexed
1:06:48Mm-hmm. Yes, sir. It was a weird flex not okay in this with flex not okay, so
1:06:55total loss
1:06:58Especially that forced touch pic.
1:07:00[Laughter]
1:07:03So go down and infamy.
1:07:04[Laughter]
1:07:06Alright.
1:07:08Okay, so now we get to my flexes.
1:07:10[Clears throat]
1:07:11Number one, the new iPeraire supports the Magic Keyboard.
1:07:15[Ding]
1:07:16Very surprised.
1:07:17Yes.
1:07:17Me too.
1:07:18But as I said last week, they want to sell a bunch of these.
1:07:22They expect this iPeraire to do well, so why not make more money?
1:07:26Yeah, they just made $300 potentially more with this budget.
1:07:30Yeah, and what's even more clever, they didn't even have to make a specific version for the iPad Air.
1:07:36You just can use the existing version for the 11-inch iPad Pro.
1:07:41There is no iPad Air Magic Keyboard. It's the 11-inch iPad Pro model that you can use with the Air.
1:07:47The iPad Air is slightly smaller than the iPad Pro and it has a slightly smaller screen
1:07:58but obviously Apple built it for the dimensions that matter so like you know like if you looked
1:08:04at the two devices side by side I'm sure that the smart connectors would be in a slightly
1:08:10different place right or the magnets will be in a slightly different place so it can
1:08:14still use the case for a product that's slightly different size.
1:08:20Number two, Apple launches a new subscription service for virtual fitness classes.
1:08:26Introducing Apple Fitness Plus, a new service for Apple Watch designed to inspire you to
1:08:31get fit and stay fit.
1:08:33The entire Fitness Plus experience is powered by the Apple Watch in some really cool ways.
1:08:38Let's take a look at how it works.
1:08:40Apple Watch owners love seeing all of their metrics
1:08:43right from their wrist during a workout.
1:08:46The watch's sensors make it possible to see your heart rate,
1:08:48calories burned, pace, and distance.
1:08:51And that data helps keep you motivated and on track,
1:08:54which is awesome.
1:08:56With Fitness Plus, you simply choose the workout
1:08:58you wanna do from the catalog of videos
1:09:01on your iPhone, iPad, or Apple TV.
1:09:04And when you start the video,
1:09:06it automatically starts the correct workout
1:09:09in your Apple Watch Workout app,
1:09:11and it sends those metrics in real time
1:09:13right to the screen you're viewing the workout.
1:09:16So you have all of your data on your wrist
1:09:18and on the screen in front of you,
1:09:20and your metrics come to life to keep you motivated.
1:09:23For example, when the trainer reminds you
1:09:25to check your heart rate, your numbers get larger,
1:09:27making it easy to see the details you need.
1:09:30When you're in the middle of a tough interval,
1:09:32you see a countdown timer to motivate you
1:09:34to push through every last second.
1:09:37Your activity rings are also right on the screen.
1:09:39So you can see how your workout is helping you make progress
1:09:42towards closing your rings for the day.
1:09:45And if you happen to close one of your rings
1:09:46in the middle of your workout,
1:09:48you won't miss the celebration.
1:09:49You'll see it in real time right on the screen.
1:09:52When the workout is over, you get a comprehensive summary.
1:09:56- And that's Apple Fitness+.
1:09:58We sort of knew that it was coming.
1:10:01I noted how it was weird that in the fitness app,
1:10:06there were only two tabs at the bottom.
1:10:08And sure enough, that was to make room for the new tab
1:10:10in the middle of the screen for Fitness Plus,
1:10:13which looks very, very cool.
1:10:14And I actually wanna subscribe.
1:10:16It looks really nice.
1:10:17They have an official Instagram account
1:10:20and I've started following a bunch of the trainers.
1:10:22- I was doing this today.
1:10:23I was like looking this up
1:10:25because all of these people are public on Instagram, right?
1:10:30And it actually lists their handles.
1:10:33So you can go and look
1:10:34and you can see all of these people,
1:10:37what they've done before.
1:10:38This is a previous, like, un-Apple-like thing to do, right?
1:10:43Because these people are effectively,
1:10:48I guess, kinda similar-ish to what the music team does,
1:10:53like the editorial music team,
1:10:54but the difference, I suppose,
1:10:56with the Fitness+ people is you actually see them.
1:10:59So they can't be that hidden,
1:11:01so it maybe makes more sense for Apple
1:11:03to allow them to be public with, I'm sure, many rules imposed upon them.
1:11:09Don't take what I'm about to say in the wrong way, because of course, you know, we get to
1:11:14know engineers at things like WWDC and Sessions, but it's almost like these are the very few
1:11:20people at Apple who are allowed to have a public name, in the sense that, for example,
1:11:25the App Store, right? You open the App Store, there's so many stories that you can read.
1:11:30And obviously, like, a person wrote those stories, but you never get to see the byline,
1:11:35which is a shame.
1:11:36Right, but it's like, saying about engineers is a good example, right?
1:11:39Like, there are people on Twitter that we know are Apple engineers, they're allowed
1:11:42to say that now, but the code that they write doesn't have their name at the bottom.
1:11:45Nope.
1:11:46Or every app is not introduced by the person that made it.
1:11:49And I bet that these videos will be like, "Hey, I'm, you know, Molly," or whatever,
1:11:54I could look up someone's name and just close the tab.
1:11:56And so like this is much more of that type of model.
1:12:00And I was looking so many people up.
1:12:02Many of these people were successful like influencers in their spaces.
1:12:06So I think it's really interesting.
1:12:08So you can follow the account, you can see everyone.
1:12:11It says what classes they do.
1:12:13I'm really intrigued by this because the implementation of Fitness+ is a much higher level than I
1:12:20was expecting.
1:12:21Like they've done a good job.
1:12:24integration with the watch and the different things that happen between, for example, the
1:12:30iPad and the Apple Watch, really, really fascinating.
1:12:34Number three is marked incorrect. However, I think it's debatable. Apple showcases at
1:12:39least one new feature coming in iOS or iPadOS 14.1. Now, they didn't say 14.1, so I think
1:12:46I'll take it as being marked incorrect, but, I mean, Fitness+ is launching with 14.1. I
1:12:54I think that's pretty much a given.
1:12:55It's the next major version will introduce this.
1:12:58- It could be 14 point something, right?
1:13:00Like that's the problem.
1:13:01It could be 0.2 for all we know.
1:13:03- Because of that, I will take it as an incorrect pick,
1:13:06but I should have said, I would have got the point
1:13:10if I didn't say the version number,
1:13:12but just say the will showcase a feature coming
1:13:13in the next, in a future update to iOS 14,
1:13:16and that would have gotten me the point.
1:13:18But because of the, because I overstretched,
1:13:21Because I over-flexed, saying point one, that doesn't get me the point.
1:13:27Number four.
1:13:28At least one segment of the keynote is shot inside Apple's own fitness labs.
1:13:33We marked this correct, but I want to talk about this.
1:13:36We saw the fitness studio, but fitness lab is like where they...
1:13:40Remember there was that story about like fake sweat and then they dump all the watches in
1:13:44the water?
1:13:45Well, I assume it's the same structure.
1:13:47I don't know.
1:13:48I don't think so.
1:13:49Why would they have workout people in the same building as the engineers?
1:13:53That doesn't seem right.
1:13:55Well, they do have a separate building for the fitness stuff at Apple Park.
1:13:59And I assume it's all in the same building, both the labs and the studio.
1:14:04The thing is, it doesn't really make a difference in the scoring of this, so I guess we can
1:14:08just let you have it.
1:14:09No, it doesn't.
1:14:10Oh, okay.
1:14:11Well done.
1:14:12Ring the bell.
1:14:13There you go.
1:14:14And lastly, I said number five, iOS 14 launches in September.
1:14:18What a great day of announcements.
1:14:21We will also be releasing major OS updates tomorrow.
1:14:25Beginning with iOS 14, a huge release that transforms the core experience of iPhone with
1:14:32redesigned widgets right on the home screen.
1:14:35A new way to organize your apps with the App Library.
1:14:39And a new and even faster way to experience apps the moment you need them with App Clips.
1:14:45iPadOS 14, which lets you do even more with Apple Pencil,
1:14:50provides huge improvements to iPad apps
1:14:53and takes the iPad experience even further.
1:14:56WatchOS 7 provides a whole new way to discover
1:15:00and share watch faces, a new sleep app,
1:15:03automatic hand washing detection,
1:15:05and provides additional workouts and fitness metrics.
1:15:08And TVOS 14, which makes your big screen experience
1:15:13even better with improved picture-in-picture,
1:15:16audio sharing with AirPods, Apple Music lyrics,
1:15:20secure camera feeds from HomeKit,
1:15:22and multi-user gaming support.
1:15:24All of these new releases will be available tomorrow,
1:15:29and all of the products we announced today
1:15:31will ship with these OS updates.
1:15:34- Oh, little did you know, Federico,
1:15:36how September it would be.
1:15:38I am so sad that I got this right.
1:15:43Obviously, I don't know, should we talk about what they've done with this iOS 14 real estate?
1:15:49No, we're going to talk about that in a minute.
1:15:51We will in a minute.
1:15:52Let's wrap up the flexes.
1:15:53So you got 80% of yours correct.
1:15:56Big flex.
1:15:57So, Steven, I do have a charity that I would like you to donate money to.
1:16:05So this is a charity that I've personally donated to before.
1:16:09It's an animal rescue and shelter organization.
1:16:12It's called Fur Kids.
1:16:13It's a nonprofit organization that's based, I believe, in Georgia, in Atlanta,
1:16:19in the United States. They operate the...
1:16:22I needed to double check. I knew this, but I double checked again.
1:16:25They operate the largest cage free, no kill shelter in the southeast for rescued
1:16:29cats, as well as a no kill shelter for dogs.
1:16:34I donated to this organization a couple of months ago when MrBeast did a video on YouTube,
1:16:41and now I get the newsletters from them with the pictures of the rescued cats and dogs.
1:16:47So obviously it's something that I really care about, and I thought that this would
1:16:51be an ideal candidate if I were to win the flexes and ask either of you to donate.
1:16:57So the website is forkids.org.
1:17:00You can go there, check out the photos, really, really beautiful photos of these rescued cats
1:17:04and dogs. And how much do I owe? It's $100 right? $25 per wrong pick. You got four
1:17:10wrong? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, well you're gonna do a lot of good to a lot of good boys
1:17:16and girls. Yes. PayPal. Oh he's doing it right now. Wow. Doing it right now. He's flexing the flexi. Well if I don't do it now, if I
1:17:27don't do it now, listeners, you know, they wouldn't know that I did it. So I got to,
1:17:31to do it on the show. That's true, that's true. Do you want to write down the rules?
1:17:35Log it into PayPal here. Yeah, you want to add to the rules that it must be paid on
1:17:40air? Yeah. Okay. And also, like, just let me say this, if you're a listener
1:17:47and you're listening to this and you're thinking, "Oh, I should get a dog," please
1:17:49don't buy a dog. Adopt a dog. Don't buy dogs. There's lots of really... I mean, I
1:17:57I am, you know, I subscribe to the theory that all dogs are good dogs, so maybe I'm
1:18:01biased, but there's a lot of dogs that are in need of adoption, so please don't spend
1:18:05money on a dog, just go to a shelter, to your local, you know, local shelter or rescue place
1:18:09and adopt a dog.
1:18:11I did adopt two of them three years ago, best decision of my life, so cannot recommend an
1:18:17adoption enough.
1:18:18All right, my donation is complete and I got my name right, so I learned from Casey's
1:18:23mistakes.
1:18:24That's always good.
1:18:25get a name correct during a live donation.
1:18:28It's done.
1:18:29Awesome.
1:18:29Thank you.
1:18:30Thank you, Steven.
1:18:31So actually, it's nice because something good is actually
1:18:36coming out of all this infighting and debates
1:18:40over these picks.
1:18:42So it does make me feel better about all the sore losers
1:18:49like Michael, for example.
1:18:50Oh, my god.
1:18:51What about the sore winners?
1:18:53Where do they sit in this equation?
1:18:55It makes me feel a lot better about the things that we put our listeners through, because
1:18:59something good is coming out of this. Don't you agree? It's like, this is a beautiful
1:19:04thing we've done, right?
1:19:05Oh, no, I agreed up until the part where you started calling me a sore loser. I just felt
1:19:11like that was unnecessary.
1:19:12You thought I was going to say something nice, and then I just went and did it.
1:19:15I thought it was just going to be a really good thing, and then you ended up using it
1:19:18to take a shot at me, I think therefore proving the whole point of why it's a good thing,
1:19:23it absolves us of all the bad that we do during these episodes. I've gotten my
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1:22:22All right, what's going on today? I was 14 or something.
1:22:26Is it? It's not out. Well, it's supposed to be out today. Can you imagine if after all of this,
1:22:33it didn't make it today. Can you imagine that? Like after the hell that they have put developers
1:22:39through over the last 24 hours, if like it somehow like gets a little bit delayed and comes out
1:22:44tomorrow. This is a big surprise right Federico? I'm sure you were quite surprised. Yes to say the
1:22:52the list, you can say that. I was quite surprised. Yeah, I mean, I sort of started accepting
1:23:03the fact that it was coming out in September a few weeks ago when Germin tweeted that the
1:23:09new version of iOS was still going to launch in September. You may remember months ago
1:23:14how I was hoping that iOS 14 would launch in October, just by virtue of a simple calculation
1:23:22that said if WWDC was three weeks later than usual, therefore the new version of iOS must
1:23:29be three weeks later than usual as well. And that calculation was wrong, because it was
1:23:34based on the wrong assumption that there's a relationship between the date of the keynote
1:23:39to WWDC and the release of a new version of iOS.
1:23:42Obviously, this is not the case.
1:23:45And Apple really likes, apparently,
1:23:49releasing iOS in mid-September.
1:23:52So good to know for the future.
1:23:54Bad for this year, but good to know for the next few years,
1:23:59for sure.
1:24:01I can't.
1:24:01I really-- I can't get my head around
1:24:03why they had to do it this way.
1:24:07The one day notice is disrespectful.
1:24:11That's too aggressive. It's too much.
1:24:13I don't understand why the new watch needs to come out this Friday.
1:24:22I'm sure there are financial reasons for Apple to do this.
1:24:26There's no good financial reason for Derek Oh, there really isn't.
1:24:29So, you know, this quarter is an absolute disaster because there's no iPhones in it.
1:24:35a week's worth of Apple Watch sales would make such a minuscule difference.
1:24:39Like, I feel like this is purely a case of they were like, "This is just what we want
1:24:43to do."
1:24:44Like, I can't see any other reason for it.
1:24:47And it's like, all right, like you are able to do whatever you want.
1:24:53And look, the reality of it is, for developers that submitted their applications last night,
1:24:59who went through that amount of work to make sure they got it in, it seems like by and
1:25:04and large. Most of the developers that I follow had their apps approved in time,
1:25:08so they will get out, but that's not allowing final testing against the GM,
1:25:16which is important because if it wasn't important, you wouldn't have a GM right
1:25:21like so I just I can't work out why they did it the way that they did it. The GM
1:25:27could have come out last week. The watch could have come out next week. I don't
1:25:32know why they had to I can't work out looking at what we are able to see why
1:25:38they needed to take the route that they've taken with this the iPhone is
1:25:44going to come out so much further after iOS 14 so like even if you say like oh
1:25:49they wanted to keep today I was 14 release cadence but that also is related
1:25:53to the iPhone like they go hand in hand otherwise I was 14 could come out in
1:25:58like May, like whatever, right?
1:26:01Like it's, they go hand in hand for a reason,
1:26:04but they're further apart than they've ever been.
1:26:06So it's like, I don't understand why they felt
1:26:09the requirement to put it out today.
1:26:11Like I think I said this on upgrade,
1:26:13they could have put it out on Friday even, right?
1:26:16Like, why did it have to come out today?
1:26:19Like, this is really, this is really rubbing me
1:26:22the wrong way, this thing.
1:26:23- You know what I really don't get,
1:26:25is a couple of things.
1:26:27First, I think, arguably, developer relations right now are not in the best place, right?
1:26:35There's a lot of goodwill, you can say, that has been lost between Apple and the developer
1:26:44community over the past year, with all the sort of the controversies over in-app purchases
1:26:50and rejections and antitrust and all that kind of stuff.
1:26:54So it doesn't feel like Apple is in the best position to put extra pressure on developers.
1:27:04As I said, it just feels kind of disrespectful to say, "Oh, the GM is coming out now.
1:27:11Submissions are going to open in a few hours and you have until tomorrow to test and finish
1:27:15everything."
1:27:16It just gives the sense and the vibe that you just don't care about developers.
1:27:24And that's one thing. And the other thing is, we remember last year, right, the mess that the iOS 13
1:27:36rollout was, with I believe eight software updates in just a couple of months. Something ridiculous
1:27:44because at some point there was one update after another.
1:27:49Well, the biggest thing I think even was that 13.0 ran on no existing products.
1:27:55Yeah, there was that.
1:27:57It was a whole mess and everybody kept saying, "Why are you doing this, Apple?
1:28:03You did so well last year with iOS 12.
1:28:07What happened with 13?
1:28:10What's this mess?"
1:28:11And it got so bad, and I urge you to just google "iOS 13 buggy" and see some of the results from last year.
1:28:18Then after a few months, we got the report on Bloomberg saying Apple is changing its testing procedure for
1:28:26making sure that this doesn't happen again, starting with iOS 14.
1:28:30Now, iOS 14 is not the disaster that 13 was,
1:28:35but if you ask me, it's still not good enough.
1:28:38It's not the same quality of iOS 12 for sure. I can say that with confidence. It's not stable,
1:28:46it's not as reliable just last night.
1:28:48I needed to reboot my iPad because the Magic Keyboard stopped working, and I still got these random visual glitches with widgets and
1:28:56these random
1:28:58lockups on my phone and iPad.
1:29:00Even when I do things like installing apps, my device locks up.
1:29:07Now I don't understand if you consider all these things, right?
1:29:10The relationship with developers, the fact that the iPhone is coming up later, the fact that nobody, literally nobody, is saying
1:29:17"You have to release the watch this Friday. Otherwise, I'm done with you as a company." Like, nobody's saying that. What's the pressure? What's the rush?
1:29:25Have you learned nothing from last year? It's my question to Apple.
1:29:33I don't think... like, besides my personal bias, right, which we're gonna talk about in a minute, I guess,
1:29:40but from... and trying to look at this from the outside, I mean,
1:29:46people are already skeptical, right, when a new software update comes out.
1:29:51Now you finally have a chance for the software update to take a little longer,
1:29:58so that you can work on more bug fixes, so that you can take a little more time to polish it, to make it stable, to make it faster,
1:30:05and what do you do instead, and not only do you stick to your previous schedule,
1:30:09actually a day before, because I believe last year came out on the 17th.
1:30:13So not only do you stick to your schedule, but you also, you know, as they say, stick it to developers,
1:30:20and actually say, "Well, you have 24 hours.
1:30:23Good luck."
1:30:26I honestly don't get it. It kind of sounds like a joke. It feels like a practical joke
1:30:31at this point. This does feel like something that Jon Maltz
1:30:34would have written two days ago. Yes.
1:30:37Right? I honestly don't get it. Besides my personal
1:30:46issues with this, my personal problems, I genuinely don't get it. Nobody, and again,
1:30:52Nobody would have complained if iOS 14 was coming out on Friday. If you really wanted
1:30:58to come out earlier, it could have been Friday. But honestly, it could have been...
1:31:03If for some miraculous reason they were shipping an iPhone on Friday, I would let it go. I'd
1:31:08be like, "Look, something's happened. They clearly, you know, their timing's been thrown
1:31:14off. They were worried about it getting out. Whatever. It's an iPhone. I get it." Right?
1:31:21And then we could have had the like, well, maybe they want to make sure they get it in
1:31:24the financial quarter. It's the iPhone. I could have understood all of that. But to
1:31:28do all of this just to support the new Apple watches, right? Because that's and because
1:31:33the the new iPad, the iPad Air isn't shipping next week.
1:31:38Yeah, well, the boring one is. Oh, you already forgot about it.
1:31:41But like that doesn't need 14 surely. It's running on A12 and there's a iOS 13 running
1:31:48on the A12 architecture. So like, I can't... So like, you decided to do this just for the
1:31:55app? Like, it's so weird. That's the thing. You decided to do this, obviously, in the
1:32:00year where everybody's feeling behind, press, people like me, and especially developers.
1:32:09Literally everybody feels behind. It's been a challenging year for everybody. You, yourself,
1:32:13a company are behind because the iPhone is not coming out, and of all things, it's the
1:32:19Apple Watch that's forcing you to put this out. An Apple Watch which you chose to release
1:32:25now, for no apparent reason other than "I guess it's ready, why not?" And if that's
1:32:31the reason, well, I don't know. It just, it kind of feels like a really bad idea considering
1:32:40last year, and a really bad gesture toward the developer community who is already kinda
1:32:46not, I should say, not ecstatic in your regards. So, I wish Apple the best of luck with this
1:32:56release. I don't think iOS 14 GM is in a good place, and I wish all developers, of course,
1:33:04best with getting customer support requests and all that. I don't think this will go as
1:33:11badly as 13, but I don't think this will go as well as iOS 12 either.
1:33:17Yeah, I think 14 is in a better shape than 13.
1:33:20Yes.
1:33:21Like, I'm having some small problems, but they're small for me. You know, everybody's
1:33:27— it's different for everybody, right? But for me, I'm having some small issues, but
1:33:32nothing major.
1:33:33So, I guess it's just... Personally speaking, of course, I think we've been over this for
1:33:39the past month, we've been talking about this for the past month, what happens to my review.
1:33:43Well, what happens is that my review is not ready, because I... Like, when I started working
1:33:47on this review earlier in the summer, I thought I was gonna have my usual hundred days, right?
1:33:54And I was, like... Just to be completely clear and open about this, I was hoping to release
1:34:01this review in the first week of October, because my calculation said three weeks later
1:34:08than usual means you have until the first week of October. Now, obviously, my review
1:34:16is not ready right now. I don't want to wait until the first week of October, if possible,
1:34:23but also in talking over this over the past month, I have accepted the fact that, like,
1:34:30I could rush it, right? I could put out the review if I wanted in three days, and have
1:34:36a really rushed conclusion, no editing, just a bunch of screenshots. I could do that. But
1:34:41that would suck, and it wouldn't be my review. It would be the review that I was working
1:34:47on that somebody forced me to publish. But the reality is, nobody is forcing me to publish
1:34:52this until it's ready. And so I will try my best to make it as special as possible, right?
1:35:02Because I feel like, to an extent, I can't shake the feeling that I'm letting people
1:35:06down and not having the review out today, right? As much as I'm trying to feel positive
1:35:11and understand that this is the best outcome for me, I still feel like I'm letting some
1:35:17people down by not giving them something to read today. And I know that people can wait
1:35:22and I know I've been getting so many nice messages and I really do appreciate them,
1:35:25but there's a part of me that feels like that. But there's a bigger part of me that also tells
1:35:30me like maybe the more rational part of me that's telling me it wouldn't be your review if it wasn't
1:35:38as polished as you would like it to be. And I think I'm fortunate enough to have readers who
1:35:44also feel that way. At least I want to believe so. So what we're doing right now is you may have
1:35:52seen a story, for example, today on Mac Stories about app clips, that was meant to be part
1:35:58of the review. It's not anymore, because I thought I need to cut at least one section
1:36:03from this story, and I decided this last week actually, before I even knew that iOS 14 was
1:36:09launching today, and it made sense to cut a feature that was mostly about third-party
1:36:14apps so that I could entirely concentrate on first-party built-in Apple stuff. So that
1:36:22has relieved me of a lot of pressure to test app clips from third parties and to write
1:36:27about the feature. But otherwise, I am on a tighter schedule that I hoped, and we're
1:36:37working with Ryan for the edits and with Brian for the graphics and the animations and all
1:36:42the things that make the review special, trying to be as fast as we can, but I'm still writing
1:36:50myself. I'm not done. And I'm writing during the day, editing at night until like 4 AM,
1:36:595 AM, stuff like that. And I'm trying to get a moderate amount of sleep. But yeah, the
1:37:08basic gist of it is that I wouldn't be able to live with the idea that I rushed this thing,
1:37:19I didn't edit it at all, I didn't put all the Easter eggs and the little touches that
1:37:23I like in my screenshots. So the review will come out later, not today, not next week.
1:37:31I don't think so. It will come out ideally this month, and I will do my best to give
1:37:39it all those details and extras and perks for club members, of course, and the making
1:37:46of, the behind the scenes, the ebook, all those things, and even more you can expect.
1:37:52Because of the extra time, I can actually do something that I haven't done, which we
1:37:56discussed a while back, but I don't want to confirm right now, but I think I can do a
1:37:59a little, some new extras around it. So obviously that it also means that there's going to be
1:38:06changes in the overall tone of the review, right? Even the simple things like sentences
1:38:12where I say iOS launching today, well, it's not written from that perspective anymore.
1:38:20It has to be written from the perspective of something that has already happened, right?
1:38:24And also, I have to ask myself, what's the value of covering all of these third-party
1:38:31examples if it's going to be a couple of weeks where people have already used third-party
1:38:36apps for a couple of weeks?
1:38:38So do you need more, do you need less?
1:38:40Do I need more, do I need less?
1:38:41Do I need to focus on the technical aspect of them?
1:38:44So like, you may have seen the widget, you may have seen this shortcut, but do you know
1:38:49why it's actually designed or built that way?
1:38:53So maybe that's my angle, right? Because I know, I've been talking to developers, I know
1:38:57why certain things have been built in a certain way. So this later release does change my
1:39:06plans a little from that sort of purely editorial perspective, but not so much that I'm like,
1:39:14"Oh no, I need to change the whole thing." It's not like that. And then the review, I
1:39:18I mean, it's possible that fewer people will pay attention to it when it's out, right?
1:39:22Because they will be like, "Oh yeah, iOS 14, it's old news, who cares?"
1:39:27But because it's, you know, it's got that, it's my review, it's my thoughts and my opinions
1:39:34and all the details that I care about.
1:39:37So hopefully there's going to be people who care about that unique, you know, it's not
1:39:42a guide, it's not a walkthrough, it's got opinion.
1:39:46Lots of opinions, actually, in it.
1:39:48So I don't, to sum up, there's a part of me that feels bad, but there's a bigger part
1:39:56of me that feels kind of okay with this. Because I know that there's nothing else I could have
1:40:04done to prevent this. Because I'm a single guy fighting against a one or two trillion
1:40:11dollar corporation who woke up one morning and decided that this was going to be the
1:40:16the iOS 14 release date.
1:40:19So there's nothing else I could have done.
1:40:22I don't want to kill myself over this,
1:40:24and it'll come out when it's ready.
1:40:27- Let me ask you something.
1:40:29You may not be able to answer this
1:40:30until you're done with it,
1:40:33but just listening to you talk about,
1:40:35maybe your approach this time is,
1:40:39you've seen this, you've played with it,
1:40:41here are all the details that you may not know,
1:40:43or we can go deeper than what you may have discovered
1:40:45on your own.
1:40:46Like, I find that to be a really compelling way
1:40:50to read a review, when it's not just theoretical,
1:40:55like once I've spent some time with it
1:40:56and see what other people think about it.
1:40:57I mean, do you foresee a world where either you publish
1:41:02the review later than the release date in the future
1:41:05or have some sort of follow-up that really focuses around,
1:41:10okay, now that some apps are out,
1:41:11now that some features are out, let's revisit some of them?
1:41:13'Cause I think that is an interesting angle to coverage
1:41:16that we don't see very often.
1:41:18- Yeah, I wanna see how this goes, right?
1:41:20I wanna see how this review is received
1:41:23later than usual this time,
1:41:25because I'm of external forces.
1:41:30But I wanna see if maybe it could be something
1:41:32that I do intentionally in the next few years.
1:41:35Knowing myself, I don't think so.
1:41:37I think I will, like 2021, knowing that iOS
1:41:41is always gonna launch in mid-September,
1:41:43I think I will adjust accordingly,
1:41:45because this whole mess was caused by two reasons.
1:41:50One of them just having less time,
1:41:52which is the primary reason.
1:41:53Like, Apple may have started working on iOS 14,
1:41:5820 days before, but I didn't.
1:42:02I didn't have those extra days.
1:42:05I was able to start testing this in late June.
1:42:09So objectively, I had less time than before.
1:42:13And also, I based my work on the wrong assumption.
1:42:18So that's why this thing is late.
1:42:19But in the future, I think,
1:42:23even if I go back to publishing on day one,
1:42:26I think it is actually something that I wanna do,
1:42:30the proper follow-up, like a month later.
1:42:35It's something that it's tricky to do, right?
1:42:43Because how do you follow up on something
1:42:45with just rehashing, right?
1:42:48The thing you already wrote.
1:42:51How can you make it interesting?
1:42:52How can you make it fascinating?
1:42:55Maybe something that I could consider
1:42:58is doing sort of like a mini review,
1:43:02like another in-depth look at the first 0.1 major update.
1:43:07'Cause that usually coincides with new iPhones
1:43:09and new hardware, and it's something that I've never done.
1:43:12Last year was an anomaly because in my review I covered 13.1 in addition to 13 because 13.1
1:43:21was already out as a beta.
1:43:24But in the future maybe that's something that I can do.
1:43:25I can have my review on day one and then I can have a sort of like a mini review a month
1:43:30or two months later when 0.1 drops.
1:43:32Right.
1:43:33Yeah, what you want to do is give yourself more work around this time of year.
1:43:37There you go.
1:43:39I know, but the thing is, like, as much as I complain about this, I'm still lucky that
1:43:46this is my job, right? There's far worse occupations in the world.
1:43:52So there is also a limited amount of time that you are able to give purely based on
1:43:58the fact that you lock yourself away for the best part of three months producing this thing.
1:44:03So I don't know. I see what you're saying, but I wouldn't suggest that you commit to
1:44:12anything based on 2020.
1:44:14Yeah, exactly. Like, it's an interesting idea, but I don't want to… I don't know what
1:44:21to think. I mean, this thing isn't even finished, right? So, like, it's obviously
1:44:27not an ideal situation. And I, I've felt bad about it for the past month. And then it was
1:44:38just in the past week where I started, you know, having the sense that this was actually
1:44:43happening soon, that I sort of just accepted it. And now I think I'm mostly fine. In a
1:44:50a way, I cannot feel better that this has happened now instead of next week, for example.
1:44:58The concern is gone.
1:45:00But even if it was next week, if Apple said iOS 14 is coming out next week, what would
1:45:05have happened there is I would have rushed. And I wouldn't have lived the following week
1:45:11very well. Instead, now this is out. A lot of people are upset about it. And I am too,
1:45:19But it's also like it freed me from that burden of, "Oh, the next week I'm gonna work like
1:45:2720-hour days."
1:45:29Instead, I can just take my time without killing myself over this.
1:45:36So in a way, it's actually for the best.
1:45:38I think that does it.
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