Connected

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00:00:02 ◼   ► - Hello and welcome to Connected episode 305.

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00:00:15 ◼   ► - 306.

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00:00:26 ◼   ► Hello and welcome to Connected, episode 306.

00:00:30 ◼   ► It's made possible this week by our sponsors,

00:00:32 ◼   ► Ahrefs, Pingdom, and Hover.

00:00:34 ◼   ► My name is Stephen Hackett

00:00:35 ◼   ► and I'm joined by Mr. Federico Vittucci.

00:00:38 ◼   ► - Hello, Stephen Hackett.

00:00:39 ◼   ► - Hello Federico, how are you?

00:00:42 ◼   ► - I'm good, I'm good.

00:00:43 ◼   ► - Good. - How are you?

00:00:44 ◼   ► - Pretty good.

00:00:45 ◼   ► It's August now, which is weird,

00:00:48 ◼   ► but time keeps ticking away, you know?

00:00:52 ◼   ► - Mm-hmm, don't mention it, I know.

00:00:56 ◼   ► We're also joined by Myke Hurley.

00:00:58 ◼   ► It's a me, Michael.

00:01:00 ◼   ► It's a me Michael, it's a me Michael.

00:01:03 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:01:03 ◼   ► It's a me.

00:01:05 ◼   ► I have that Lego coming and I'm so friggin excited.

00:01:09 ◼   ► The Mario Lego.

00:01:10 ◼   ► You got the Mario Lego.

00:01:11 ◼   ► I haven't got it yet.

00:01:12 ◼   ► It's on the way.

00:01:13 ◼   ► I did do something silly, which I need to resolve in a typical Myke fashion.

00:01:18 ◼   ► So there's the, I think I referenced the NES Lego on a previous episode, right?

00:01:24 ◼   ► But as well as that, LEGO have the Mario sets, where they're like these little play sets with the LED eye Mario.

00:01:32 ◼   ► You know what I'm talking about? You guys must have seen these. I know Federico has.

00:01:35 ◼   ► Stephen, have you seen these? The Mario LEGO sets?

00:01:38 ◼   ► Yeah, they look great.

00:01:39 ◼   ► Yeah, so I accidentally ordered two of these.

00:01:43 ◼   ► [laughs]

00:01:45 ◼   ► Because...

00:01:45 ◼   ► Oh, why you keep doing this?

00:01:47 ◼   ► Because I don't pay attention to what I'm doing. I rush. So this is what happened.

00:01:51 ◼   ► The NES Lego went up for sale and I wanted to get that quick

00:01:54 ◼   ► and you couldn't preorder that, right?

00:01:55 ◼   ► So I ordered it fast and then thought to myself,

00:01:59 ◼   ► oh, I want to make sure I have the Mario starter set, because

00:02:03 ◼   ► if you have one of those two Marios and you put it on top of the NES set,

00:02:07 ◼   ► when you turn the crank, it plays the music of what's happening on the screen,

00:02:12 ◼   ► which I just think is friggin awesome, so clever.

00:02:14 ◼   ► So I wanted to get that.

00:02:15 ◼   ► So I did. I ordered them both and they're both on the way.

00:02:18 ◼   ► But what I didn't remember is back in April, because who knows about anything in the past,

00:02:24 ◼   ► back in April when they announced the Mario sets you could pre-order them.

00:02:28 ◼   ► And I did pre-order the starter set.

00:02:32 ◼   ► So now I have two starter sets on the way.

00:02:35 ◼   ► So I guess someone's gonna get that for Christmas.

00:02:39 ◼   ► That's what I'm thinking.

00:02:41 ◼   ► - Hopefully they're not listening. - That second set, like probably my younger brother's gonna get that for Christmas.

00:02:46 ◼   ► That's probably what's gonna happen with that one.

00:02:47 ◼   ► This is a very John Borhies thing to do.

00:02:50 ◼   ► It is, isn't it?

00:02:51 ◼   ► It is.

00:02:51 ◼   ► I guess I'm getting to John's age, I suppose.

00:02:54 ◼   ► John is 33 years old, so.

00:02:56 ◼   ► [LAUGHTER]

00:03:00 ◼   ► Yes, he is.

00:03:01 ◼   ► And I'm nearly there.

00:03:02 ◼   ► I'm nearly there.

00:03:03 ◼   ► Times two.

00:03:04 ◼   ► Steven, how old are you again?

00:03:06 ◼   ► I am--

00:03:07 ◼   ► 42?

00:03:08 ◼   ► 34.

00:03:09 ◼   ► I thought it was two years.

00:03:10 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:03:10 ◼   ► I heard that on upgrade.

00:03:12 ◼   ► I was talking about this on upgrade.

00:03:13 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:03:13 ◼   ► Yeah, I forgot how old you were.

00:03:15 ◼   ► You're 34?

00:03:15 ◼   ► 34, yeah.

00:03:16 ◼   ► You're 34.

00:03:17 ◼   ► - Yep, I'll be 35 early next year.

00:03:20 ◼   ► - Ooh, that seems unfortunate, 35.

00:03:22 ◼   ► I don't like the sound of that.

00:03:23 ◼   ► - 35 is the age that Dante wrote the Divine Comedy.

00:03:26 ◼   ► - Oh, so close to me. - What are you gonna do

00:03:27 ◼   ► in your final year before you're at that level?

00:03:29 ◼   ► - Yeah. - I mean, I think

00:03:30 ◼   ► my big Sur review's gonna be pretty decent.

00:03:32 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:03:34 ◼   ► - They'll say in years to come.

00:03:36 ◼   ► 35, that was the age that Steven wrote the big Sur review.

00:03:39 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah.

00:03:41 ◼   ► - You know, hopefully I'll review the first R-Mac.

00:03:43 ◼   ► Plan to do that, so.

00:03:45 ◼   ► I got a lot of exciting stuff, man.

00:03:46 ◼   ► I'm gonna have a snack after we record.

00:03:49 ◼   ► It's looking up over here.

00:03:50 ◼   ► - But you're not 35 yet, so that won't count for the snack.

00:03:53 ◼   ► - Not yet.

00:03:54 ◼   ► That's true, the snack is a warm up.

00:03:56 ◼   ► - You're riding into the sunset

00:03:58 ◼   ► with a bunch of great stories, Stephen.

00:04:00 ◼   ► - I hope it's not the sunset.

00:04:01 ◼   ► - Nope, goodbye, Stephen.

00:04:03 ◼   ► That's it for you.

00:04:05 ◼   ► Nice knowing you.

00:04:07 ◼   ► - Oh boy.

00:04:09 ◼   ► All right, let's do some follow up.

00:04:11 ◼   ► Follow up.

00:04:13 ◼   ► Discontent with our NASCAR coverage.

00:04:16 ◼   ► Listener Michael has now created an F1 car.

00:04:19 ◼   ► Basically, Listener Michael, Myke.

00:04:22 ◼   ► No, it's not me.

00:04:24 ◼   ► It's not me.

00:04:25 ◼   ► Okay.

00:04:27 ◼   ► And it's spectacular.

00:04:29 ◼   ► It's so good.

00:04:30 ◼   ► Oh my God.

00:04:31 ◼   ► It's very good.

00:04:32 ◼   ► This is it for me.

00:04:33 ◼   ► Like this is one I'm looking for.

00:04:35 ◼   ► This is amazing.

00:04:38 ◼   ► Couple of questions.

00:04:39 ◼   ► I mean, I appreciate it,

00:04:42 ◼   ► but why is the Club Max Stories logo in there?

00:04:45 ◼   ► Because it's all... Okay, so Formula 1 cars are covered in sponsors.

00:04:50 ◼   ► No, no, that I get. It just feels like it was pretty like relay-themed.

00:04:56 ◼   ► But I do appreciate it.

00:04:57 ◼   ► It's the themes of the three of us, right?

00:04:58 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:04:59 ◼   ► I mean, arguably, I have the least to do with this F1 car.

00:05:03 ◼   ► Although Myke was right, it does sit just over the air intake.

00:05:06 ◼   ► Myke was right.

00:05:07 ◼   ► But there's something that is related to all of us, right?

00:05:10 ◼   ► 512 pixels is on there.

00:05:11 ◼   ► We have the weird fish on there.

00:05:13 ◼   ► Remember the milk is on here.

00:05:15 ◼   ► Remember the milk, the dog cow, the Macintosh, the seal of quality is in there.

00:05:20 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:05:20 ◼   ► This is really well done.

00:05:22 ◼   ► It's really good.

00:05:22 ◼   ► It's really well done.

00:05:23 ◼   ► Yeah, I like it.

00:05:24 ◼   ► I like it.

00:05:25 ◼   ► It's very nice.

00:05:26 ◼   ► Are you still following Formula One, Myke?

00:05:28 ◼   ► Oh, so badly, man.

00:05:29 ◼   ► I love it.

00:05:30 ◼   ► Any key updates that we should know about?

00:05:34 ◼   ► One of the races has coronavirus.

00:05:35 ◼   ► Oh, okay.

00:05:38 ◼   ► We talked about that.

00:05:38 ◼   ► We'll do a buy then.

00:05:39 ◼   ► Oh, no.

00:05:41 ◼   ► because they went home, they left the country and they now have coronavirus.

00:05:48 ◼   ► That's unfortunate. He's doing okay though, you know, but he does have it.

00:05:52 ◼   ► I did see the clip where the guy finished with a flat tire which seems like a miracle to me.

00:05:58 ◼   ► I've seen that on the news as well. He was going like 140 miles an hour with three wheels.

00:06:03 ◼   ► It's unbelievable. And it happened on the final lap, it was incredible.

00:06:08 ◼   ► You could see Lewis Hamilton, of course. Second place was like coming around the last bend,

00:06:14 ◼   ► right? It was like catching up to him because obviously like Lewis was going slower because

00:06:18 ◼   ► he had three wheels. It was a thrilling end to the final race. So I'm really loving F1 boys. I'm

00:06:24 ◼   ► it. Like I don't, you know, I just want to say I'm not the person who keeps bringing it up. People

00:06:28 ◼   ► keep bringing it up around me and they get me talking about it. Uh, but I'm loving it. I'm a

00:06:32 ◼   ► I'm a big sports boy now.

00:06:34 ◼   ► I'm just telling you, if you ever want to practice, there's a circuit very close to

00:06:39 ◼   ► our place here.

00:06:40 ◼   ► I don't think you understand.

00:06:42 ◼   ► You can practice.

00:06:45 ◼   ► What am I practicing?

00:06:46 ◼   ► Start very slow.

00:06:47 ◼   ► Start very slow with like a go-kart or something.

00:06:49 ◼   ► Right, right.

00:06:50 ◼   ► Formula 1 isn't like soccer, you know, like you can't go play Formula 1 with your friends.

00:06:55 ◼   ► Can't you just practice Formula 1?

00:06:57 ◼   ► I don't think so.

00:06:58 ◼   ► I feel like Formula 1 today. Let me drive at 200km/h. I'm just telling you, if you ever

00:07:11 ◼   ► change your mind, we have an actual circuit. Do you call them circuits or tracks? What

00:07:16 ◼   ► do you call them? It depends. They can be circuits or tracks. Do you know the name of

00:07:21 ◼   ► the circuit that you're talking about? Well, actually let me double check. I don't think

00:07:28 ◼   ► it's enabled. Okay, so Vallelunga Circuit, let's see... held the Rome Grand Prix.

00:07:41 ◼   ► Wow. Okay. Vallelunga Circuit. Yeah, being used by the new configuration as received

00:07:48 ◼   ► a promulgation from the FIA as a test circuit being used by various Formula

00:07:54 ◼   ► one team. Yep, unfortunately it's not one of the ones in the actual calendar but

00:07:59 ◼   ► it is used in some some regards. There you go.

00:08:01 ◼   ► ACI Velolunga circuit will be in the show notes because people need to know.

00:08:06 ◼   ► Yes and it's like I would say 30 minutes away from here so yeah 20 miles north of

00:08:12 ◼   ► Rome. Yeah, yeah I remember correctly. You would think it was a slow news week.

00:08:19 ◼   ► If you ever want to practice.

00:08:21 ◼   ► It isn't.

00:08:21 ◼   ► I mean, look at those sweet bends.

00:08:22 ◼   ► Can you imagine you just jarring there, you know?

00:08:26 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:08:26 ◼   ► Risking your life for the glory of the show.

00:08:29 ◼   ► That would be incredible.

00:08:30 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:08:30 ◼   ► That's what I need to do.

00:08:31 ◼   ► Formula one before I have my driving license.

00:08:35 ◼   ► It's a beautiful idea.

00:08:38 ◼   ► I have some bad news.

00:08:40 ◼   ► Green Gate continues to take over the world.

00:08:43 ◼   ► This is not a thing like this and the year of Steven.

00:08:46 ◼   ► Like--

00:08:48 ◼   ► The thing that you are referring to has absolutely zero to do with the previous issue.

00:08:55 ◼   ► No, it's green and it happened to me.

00:08:57 ◼   ► That's literally the whole basis of it.

00:08:59 ◼   ► Then your avatar on Twitter is also suffering from green gate.

00:09:02 ◼   ► Just the left side of it.

00:09:04 ◼   ► Right, okay.

00:09:06 ◼   ► It's partial green.

00:09:07 ◼   ► Can you explain to people that can't see what we're talking about, please?

00:09:10 ◼   ► Yes, there's a link in the show notes to this.

00:09:12 ◼   ► I have big Sur on my MacBook Pro.

00:09:16 ◼   ► And in beta three, I don't actually know about beta four yet.

00:09:21 ◼   ► But in beta three, at least when I started up, all of the touch bar buttons are lime

00:09:26 ◼   ► green except the dim brightness button.

00:09:30 ◼   ► But the increased brightness, the keyboard brightness controls, the volume controls,

00:09:35 ◼   ► all just bright green, and you log in and then after a minute, it goes away and it acts

00:09:41 ◼   ► normally.

00:09:42 ◼   ► I love that something has happened where the touch bar finally got an update.

00:09:47 ◼   ► That's the real new thing.

00:09:48 ◼   ► Yeah, people are always complaining that nothing's happening with the touch bar, but something

00:09:52 ◼   ► new has happened with the touch bar, so, you know, job done.

00:09:56 ◼   ► Bright green.

00:09:57 ◼   ► I mean, how do you even come across a bug that does that?

00:10:02 ◼   ► I'd love to know how these things work.

00:10:04 ◼   ► The chat room is calling it "Green Sur."

00:10:06 ◼   ► So that's what we're going to go with.

00:10:08 ◼   ► What is green in Spanish? Verde is in Italian so I want to say "vierde" maybe in Spanish.

00:10:16 ◼   ► Yeah I think that's it. So this would be what? Verde sur? If you want to give it a go, Federico,

00:10:23 ◼   ► because I can't do it. Let me just double check. No it is verde, but it's with the...

00:10:29 ◼   ► I can't roll the R's. Are you sure that it's... let's see, Spanish...

00:10:35 ◼   ► Hey, it's very so verdesur. There you go. Very good. Very good. Yes. I

00:10:42 ◼   ► Have not by the way seen this on my iPhone. So the the Green Gate has

00:10:47 ◼   ► Migrated from my phone to my laptop. It hasn't has it's a different thing. It hasn't this is like

00:10:53 ◼   ► Like we are talking about nothing here. Like you just had a bunch of green buttons. Yes

00:10:58 ◼   ► It's completely 100% unrelated to what happened to you last time

00:11:04 ◼   ► You're not a software developer.

00:11:06 ◼   ► So the screen of your iPhone, slightly tinting green,

00:11:10 ◼   ► Yes.

00:11:11 ◼   ► Is the same issue as the buttons on your touch bar

00:11:15 ◼   ► being green some of the time when you're logging in.

00:11:19 ◼   ► Yeah, it's a Bonjour bug.

00:11:21 ◼   ► The green traveled across the network.

00:11:23 ◼   ► It's a Bonjour bug.

00:11:24 ◼   ► Do any devices still support that old technology?

00:11:27 ◼   ► Everything.

00:11:28 ◼   ► Yeah, Bonjour is everywhere.

00:11:29 ◼   ► That's how you print.

00:11:31 ◼   ► That's how you do file sharing.

00:11:33 ◼   ► It's all there.

00:11:34 ◼   ► Sure.

00:11:35 ◼   ► Really?

00:11:35 ◼   ► Is this a co-bonjour?

00:11:36 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:11:37 ◼   ► Bonjour, big sir.

00:11:38 ◼   ► Bonjour, mademoiselle.

00:11:41 ◼   ► Oh my god.

00:11:42 ◼   ► This is Federico.

00:11:44 ◼   ► Oh, yes.

00:11:45 ◼   ► Bonjour.

00:11:46 ◼   ► Bonjour is a beautiful word, I think.

00:11:47 ◼   ► It is a beautiful word, isn't it?

00:11:49 ◼   ► I really like the sound of the French language,

00:11:53 ◼   ► but I cannot, like, I don't understand a single word of it.

00:11:56 ◼   ► But I really do love the sound of it.

00:11:58 ◼   ► The language of love?

00:11:59 ◼   ► But I can only say, like, three words in French.

00:12:03 ◼   ► which are?

00:12:04 ◼   ► Bonjour, mademoiselle. There are two of them.

00:12:07 ◼   ► Okay, what's the third one?

00:12:09 ◼   ► Merci.

00:12:10 ◼   ► Ah, good, they are three, they're correct, they are three French words.

00:12:14 ◼   ► "C'est vous plait", which is more like an expression.

00:12:16 ◼   ► Well, that's more, you've got up to like five or six now.

00:12:18 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, and then I know a bunch of names of football players. That doesn't really count.

00:12:23 ◼   ► That's not a word, no.

00:12:25 ◼   ► I know a bunch of names of boroughs in Paris, like Montmartre, for example, that doesn't apply.

00:12:31 ◼   ► You saw yourself short a minute ago. You only knew three words and now it's infinite.

00:12:34 ◼   ► I actually know a bunch of words. I can speak French.

00:12:37 ◼   ► You can move. You can move now.

00:12:38 ◼   ► I can go. Okay. Alright. Bye. Let's see. I gotta catch a plane to Paris.

00:12:42 ◼   ► Good luck.

00:12:43 ◼   ► Let's go.

00:12:44 ◼   ► That's the luck to you.

00:12:47 ◼   ► You know Bonjour used to be called Rendezvous and then they got sued.

00:12:50 ◼   ► Really? So it's always been like a French name.

00:12:53 ◼   ► Yeah. They got sued by TIBCO Software, which I don't know, but my guess is they're not

00:12:59 ◼   ► business anymore. This is in 2005. Well they probably cashed out when they won

00:13:04 ◼   ► that old Apple lawsuit. Yeah and then Apple had to change it to Bonjour, which is a

00:13:07 ◼   ► better name anyway I think. Oh, real-time follow-up, TIPCO is still very much

00:13:14 ◼   ► alive. They're strong. Mm-hmm. They fuel the modern enterprise through TIPCO

00:13:19 ◼   ► connected intelligence. Don't we all though really, like if you think about it.

00:13:23 ◼   ► They IPO'd at one point. They have a COVID notice on top of their website

00:13:28 ◼   ► because everyone has to do that. They make it possible to unlock the potential of your

00:13:33 ◼   ► real-time data for making faster, smarter decisions.

00:13:35 ◼   ► That's nice.

00:13:37 ◼   ► Pretty good. Way to go.

00:13:39 ◼   ► Way to go, Tipco.

00:13:41 ◼   ► Big Bonjour energy.

00:13:43 ◼   ► Okay.

00:13:44 ◼   ► We want to talk about Phil?

00:13:50 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:13:51 ◼   ► Okay. So yesterday, as we record this, it was announced, amongst other things, which

00:13:56 ◼   ► we'll get to, is that Phil Schiller is stepping out

00:14:00 ◼   ► of the SVP of Worldwide Product Marketing.

00:14:04 ◼   ► He's held that title for a long time.

00:14:06 ◼   ► He's been at Apple for 30 years,

00:14:08 ◼   ► which is just an incredible run.

00:14:10 ◼   ► He is becoming an Apple Fellow,

00:14:12 ◼   ► which if you're not familiar with this,

00:14:13 ◼   ► Myke, you mentioned this Lincoln upgrade,

00:14:15 ◼   ► we'll have it again here.

00:14:17 ◼   ► It's a list of basically all dudes who worked for Apple

00:14:20 ◼   ► at some point who have great history with Apple

00:14:23 ◼   ► and they get sort of awarded this title.

00:14:26 ◼   ► It's just not an Apple felon by the way

00:14:28 ◼   ► This is all men and I didn't notice this when I was recording upgraded

00:14:34 ◼   ► I saw a few people mention it afterwards and like there are many

00:14:38 ◼   ► Prominent women who have worked for Apple like just to name one name would be Susan care, right?

00:14:43 ◼   ► It was responsible still to this day for a lot of the iconography that we see

00:14:47 ◼   ► In the operating system right like things came from the work that care did years and years and years ago

00:14:53 ◼   ► Yeah, it's wild that

00:14:55 ◼   ► they wouldn't have put... it's not even the idea of like, "oh this should be a more diverse list"

00:15:01 ◼   ► but just like to have this list of people and care not to be in it is very strange.

00:15:06 ◼   ► It just feels incomplete. Like how is she not in it? Like she of all people should be in here.

00:15:11 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:15:12 ◼   ► Also who are these other people?

00:15:15 ◼   ► There's so many names here, I have no idea.

00:15:17 ◼   ► Don Norman and Rich Page.

00:15:19 ◼   ► Don Norman.

00:15:21 ◼   ► Rich page feels like what I would tell my editor when I send my draft.

00:15:25 ◼   ► So it's a rich page.

00:15:26 ◼   ► That's good.

00:15:27 ◼   ► This is a rich page edit.

00:15:28 ◼   ► Yes.

00:15:29 ◼   ► There are people that I have no idea who they are.

00:15:31 ◼   ► So it's kind of, if you look at this site, all of the names in red I've never heard of

00:15:35 ◼   ► and the names in blue I have heard of, which makes sense because the names in red don't

00:15:39 ◼   ► have corresponding pages.

00:15:40 ◼   ► Although you gotta say, like you gotta say, what a name, Gary Starkweather.

00:15:47 ◼   ► Like what's your last name?

00:15:48 ◼   ► Starkweather.

00:15:49 ◼   ► It's like, okay, I don't want to mess with this guy.

00:15:51 ◼   ► In Starkweather.

00:15:53 ◼   ► Don Norman worked on, he kind of like put together the idea of user experience.

00:15:59 ◼   ► He worked for Apple in the nineties and Gary Starkweather was also at Apple in

00:16:06 ◼   ► the nineties and invented color management technology.

00:16:10 ◼   ► So like color sync and things to keep your display color accurate over time.

00:16:14 ◼   ► He did a bunch of that stuff.

00:16:15 ◼   ► And he just recently passed away.

00:16:18 ◼   ► Christmas last year. Why did we make a joke of his name? I'm so sorry. I would like to apologize to the Stark

00:16:26 ◼   ► Weather family. I also apologize. Mm-hmm. You have a great name. Oh, he used to work at

00:16:32 ◼   ► Xerox. Yeah, yeah, a lot of Xerox PARC DNA in this list. Rich Page, by the way, he was one of the

00:16:43 ◼   ► first four Apple Fellows. He worked on early compilers and hardware development. In fact,

00:16:50 ◼   ► he brought in the Motorola 6800K family of microprocessors for the least amount of time.

00:16:55 ◼   ► All right, we're not doing a great job here of pointing out that it should be a more mixed

00:17:00 ◼   ► list and then just spending time listing the accomplishments of all of the men on this

00:17:04 ◼   ► list that we never heard of.

00:17:06 ◼   ► He later rage quit Next.

00:17:07 ◼   ► Oh, Jesus, we're doing it. All right, let's actually go back to talking about Phil Schiller,

00:17:10 ◼   ► right?

00:17:11 ◼   ► - Apple fellow, he still has a job at Apple.

00:17:15 ◼   ► He's not just like hanging out in the pool, I guess.

00:17:18 ◼   ► He will continue to lead the App Store and Apple events,

00:17:22 ◼   ► which is the team that I guess puts on events.

00:17:25 ◼   ► There's this thing in the press release

00:17:26 ◼   ► about how he led the effort to make WBCC 2020 virtual.

00:17:31 ◼   ► And I think that's cool.

00:17:32 ◼   ► I think he did a good job with that.

00:17:33 ◼   ► I think we all liked how that went.

00:17:35 ◼   ► So he is still going to be doing those things,

00:17:38 ◼   ► but the worldwide product marketing job

00:17:41 ◼   ► is now going to Jaws, who has also been at Apple

00:17:44 ◼   ► for a long time, 20 years I think,

00:17:46 ◼   ► and I think it is a good job where we see him

00:17:51 ◼   ► and we've seen him more over the years,

00:17:53 ◼   ► and so I think he's got big shoes to fill,

00:17:54 ◼   ► but I think he's up for the job.

00:17:56 ◼   ► - I feel like I don't really know a lot about Jaws.

00:18:01 ◼   ► Like I feel like I see him every now and then,

00:18:05 ◼   ► but I don't feel like I have as much of a,

00:18:10 ◼   ► Like, oh, I know what this person's about

00:18:12 ◼   ► as I do some of the other people

00:18:14 ◼   ► that are on Apple's executive leadership page.

00:18:17 ◼   ► Maybe that's gonna change now, we'll find out, I guess.

00:18:20 ◼   ► - I do think that the timing of this is kinda interesting.

00:18:24 ◼   ► Now, let me just say upfront how I think

00:18:28 ◼   ► Phil had an incredible career,

00:18:30 ◼   ► and working for such a long time at any company

00:18:33 ◼   ► is an accomplishment in itself.

00:18:35 ◼   ► To do this, like, to work at the same place

00:18:38 ◼   ► for over 30 years, I think it's an amazing achievement.

00:18:42 ◼   ► And we all know how this person has led

00:18:48 ◼   ► some pretty incredible projects over the years.

00:18:50 ◼   ► And I don't think I tip my head to this kind of career.

00:18:55 ◼   ► However, at the same time, like in 2020,

00:18:59 ◼   ► I think your mind goes, or at least my mind goes,

00:19:03 ◼   ► to the timing of this.

00:19:06 ◼   ► And I've seen some tweets about this

00:19:07 ◼   ► from Ben Thompson and Steve Chatonsmith.

00:19:11 ◼   ► I don't know, obviously I know nothing, right?

00:19:16 ◼   ► This internal dynamics.

00:19:18 ◼   ► I have no idea what's going on actually,

00:19:21 ◼   ► but it doesn't really surprise me

00:19:25 ◼   ► that this is happening now of all time periods

00:19:29 ◼   ► in the history of Apple,

00:19:31 ◼   ► with all the things going on around the App Store

00:19:34 ◼   ► and the antitrust cases going on.

00:19:36 ◼   ► Now, obviously, like Apple is saying,

00:19:39 ◼   ► how Phil is still going to continue to lead and oversee

00:19:42 ◼   ► the App Store.

00:19:44 ◼   ► I do agree with Ben Thompson's take from yesterday.

00:19:48 ◼   ► Like he wrote, I'd be really surprised

00:19:50 ◼   ► if he's still overseeing the App Store in six months.

00:19:53 ◼   ► I think six months may be a little too short a time frame.

00:19:57 ◼   ► But personally, I would be really surprised

00:19:59 ◼   ► if he's still overseeing the App Store in a year.

00:20:02 ◼   ► That's what I would say.

00:20:03 ◼   ► I don't think it's a coincidence.

00:20:05 ◼   ► This is happening now.

00:20:06 ◼   ► I think-- I don't think a lot of people on Twitter, especially,

00:20:11 ◼   ► a lot of folks who follow Apple, I

00:20:12 ◼   ► don't think they have a grasp just

00:20:14 ◼   ► to how bad the antitrust stuff is going to be, both in the US

00:20:19 ◼   ► and in the EU.

00:20:20 ◼   ► And I don't think Apple is getting away with this easily.

00:20:24 ◼   ► And I think Apple must be pretty aware of this, right?

00:20:30 ◼   ► And I think if you know that something's going down

00:20:33 ◼   ► over the next several months.

00:20:36 ◼   ► Obviously you wanna be prepared.

00:20:37 ◼   ► Obviously you wanna have,

00:20:39 ◼   ► you gotta have a transition of power.

00:20:41 ◼   ► You gotta show that you're changing.

00:20:42 ◼   ► And you gotta show that you're, you know,

00:20:45 ◼   ► you are making changes for whatever's gonna happen.

00:20:49 ◼   ► And so, I do believe, I personally believe,

00:20:54 ◼   ► again, without taking away anything from Phil's career,

00:20:58 ◼   ► that's out of the question.

00:20:59 ◼   ► But as far as the modern app store goes,

00:21:02 ◼   ► as far as the politics surrounding the antitrust cases go, I think that maybe

00:21:08 ◼   ► this current situation accelerated this process, right? I mean, obviously, Phil

00:21:13 ◼   ► turned 60, so he's had an incredible career. Could have still worked at Apple, I

00:21:19 ◼   ► don't know, but I do feel like maybe, you know, all these things going on

00:21:24 ◼   ► accelerated this process of, you know, it's the same thing that

00:21:30 ◼   ► happened with Johnny Ive and when we were saying, oh, he's obviously on his way out.

00:21:34 ◼   ► When he became chief design officer. When he became chief, a lot of people were

00:21:38 ◼   ► really upset and like, how can you say that this is now, it means he's retiring, it means

00:21:44 ◼   ► he's going to be more important now. It's like, and we were saying at the time, no,

00:21:49 ◼   ► this is obviously the sign of Johnny slowly but surely retiring from Apple. And sure enough,

00:21:55 ◼   ► happen a couple of years later and I think this is at least for me very

00:22:01 ◼   ► reminiscent of that in terms like the dynamic maybe like it feels like there's

00:22:07 ◼   ► there's a I don't know maybe this is just my feeling it just feel like

00:22:11 ◼   ► there's more sympathy towards Phil than Johnny I don't know how just my my

00:22:16 ◼   ► personal feeling like well the reason is because Phil is an app gave a

00:22:20 ◼   ► personality to the world where Johnny was more shut off by his own decision I

00:22:26 ◼   ► just wanted to clarify a point for you if that's okay Federico because you

00:22:31 ◼   ► reference Ben Thompson and he on the Dithering podcast that he does with John

00:22:37 ◼   ► Gruber he kind of clarified his point a little bit which is slightly different

00:22:41 ◼   ► to what I think his original tweet seemed to indicate he doesn't he if I'm

00:22:45 ◼   ► summing up his point correctly, which I may not be, is basically saying that he actually

00:22:52 ◼   ► probably has stayed as the head of the App Store because of what's going on right now.

00:22:58 ◼   ► Not that he is leaving Apple because of what's going on right now.

00:23:01 ◼   ► Right.

00:23:02 ◼   ► Right, so it's like they maybe don't want to say that the App Store is under somebody

00:23:06 ◼   ► else's control right now because it's going to be a tough job.

00:23:10 ◼   ► So like they will have him do it.

00:23:11 ◼   ► But the idea of him, as I don't know if you're saying this, but I've seen people say this,

00:23:15 ◼   ► The idea of Phil leaving Apple because of the App Store stuff is incredible.

00:23:20 ◼   ► It just doesn't make, it's very unlikely.

00:23:23 ◼   ► It doesn't make sense to me either because if your thought was like, "Oh, I need to run

00:23:26 ◼   ► away from this."

00:23:27 ◼   ► Like if there was ever, if it was going to be like a legal challenge against you, just

00:23:31 ◼   ► because you don't work for the company anymore doesn't mean that stops.

00:23:33 ◼   ► Yeah, no, of course.

00:23:35 ◼   ► I think the thinking here is like that he's, I mean, very clearly the guy just wants to

00:23:40 ◼   ► retire, right?

00:23:41 ◼   ► Right? Like, you know, he's been, as you said, 30 years at the same company.

00:23:46 ◼   ► He's turned 60 this year.

00:23:47 ◼   ► Like, he probably just wants to change what he's doing.

00:23:50 ◼   ► Um, and, you know, the idea of him moving away, and frankly as well, like no one

00:23:56 ◼   ► was going to take over Schiller's entire role.

00:23:59 ◼   ► Like, because Schiller does like three different things, which is a thing that

00:24:03 ◼   ► we see happen with Apple executives.

00:24:05 ◼   ► Deirdre O'Brien's the same, right?

00:24:07 ◼   ► where Deirdre now runs two very different parts of the company, really.

00:24:12 ◼   ► You've got the people and retail, they are different things.

00:24:16 ◼   ► And Shilla does a bunch of stuff, so Jaws will take his place in the marketing side

00:24:22 ◼   ► and then eventually they'll find somebody to run events in App Store.

00:24:26 ◼   ► But you kind of maybe want to unbundle it and wind it down.

00:24:30 ◼   ► And as well, this kind of feels like a transition plan, really, more than anything.

00:24:36 ◼   ► not the, this feels to me not the idea of like Schiller's like, "I gotta get out of

00:24:41 ◼   ► here," but that over the last couple of years, you know, he's been making it clear to Tim

00:24:45 ◼   ► that it's like, "I'm kind of good now." And they're like, "Great, well let's work out

00:24:50 ◼   ► how we wind this down," right? Which is different to say Angela Arendt's, who was like, "Very

00:24:56 ◼   ► clearly, this is done," right? Like one way or another because it came out of nowhere

00:25:01 ◼   ► and she was gone, right?

00:25:02 ◼   ► Like the next day, gone.

00:25:04 ◼   ► And this is more of a, like, I guess,

00:25:06 ◼   ► very similar to Johnny Ive, right?

00:25:08 ◼   ► Like, I wanna step away now.

00:25:10 ◼   ► And they're like, great,

00:25:11 ◼   ► we're gonna work out this plan, this transition.

00:25:13 ◼   ► And so first you're gonna give this part away,

00:25:15 ◼   ► and then maybe in a year you'll give this part away.

00:25:18 ◼   ► I completely agree that within a year,

00:25:21 ◼   ► Phil is gone, I would expect.

00:25:24 ◼   ► - I mean, that's very likely.

00:25:25 ◼   ► I just, as a person myself,

00:25:27 ◼   ► I tend to be very skeptical of these transitions whenever there's something else going on at the

00:25:33 ◼   ► same time. So while everything that you said makes sense, I cannot avoid considering the timing of it.

00:25:40 ◼   ► This is the human, and I'm not saying that you're doing this, but this is like the human

00:25:45 ◼   ► nature for like conspiracies, right? And I'm not saying it's a conspiracy, but it's like it's how

00:25:52 ◼   ► people they like it's this idea of looking for cause and effect right which

00:25:57 ◼   ► is something that that we do as humans all the time we look for cause and

00:26:00 ◼   ► effect and you see this and you're like well this thing is happening this thing

00:26:05 ◼   ► is happening it seems very convenient that they would be attached to each

00:26:08 ◼   ► other and that your brain just makes the link between these two things and that's

00:26:12 ◼   ► that right I'm not saying that you're creating a conspiracy theory if you want

00:26:16 ◼   ► to create one and talk about it here I will entertain that because I like

00:26:19 ◼   ► hearing wild conspiracy theories. But you know, but yeah, I get your point, right? That

00:26:25 ◼   ► it's like, it seems mighty convenient that the guy who's been running the App Store maybe

00:26:30 ◼   ► doesn't want to be around to run the App Store in a year because it's about to get really

00:26:34 ◼   ► difficult to run the App Store. Like, I see that logic too and can imagine that if Phil

00:26:41 ◼   ► wasn't thinking of it, he maybe would have started thinking of it, right? To be like,

00:26:45 ◼   ► I think in a year it might be really hard to run App Store at Apple because you have

00:26:49 ◼   ► to start implementing what the governments around the world want you to do with the App

00:26:53 ◼   ► Store.

00:26:54 ◼   ► Right?

00:26:55 ◼   ► Am I kind of summarizing what you're saying?

00:26:57 ◼   ► What I'm saying is that there's some big changes coming to how the App Store operates, and

00:27:02 ◼   ► by the time that happens you want to make sure that you have new people in charge.

00:27:05 ◼   ► That's what...

00:27:06 ◼   ► I don't think it's, you know, I don't think it's a big conspiracy.

00:27:09 ◼   ► I think it's...

00:27:10 ◼   ► When you look at it from the outside, and I guess some people don't expect that anything

00:27:15 ◼   ► is going to change to the upsource and people say that the government is crazy to have this

00:27:19 ◼   ► case against Apple, but I think there will be big changes happening and by the time that

00:27:24 ◼   ► inevitably happens, both in the US and in Europe, you want to make sure that you have

00:27:28 ◼   ► a new structure in place. That's all that I'm arguing and for that reason, yes, Phil

00:27:32 ◼   ► may want to retire, but I'm very skeptical of the timing of this. And to answer some

00:27:38 ◼   ► of the comments that we're getting in the chat room, I think whenever, you know, people

00:27:44 ◼   ► I have these discussions about executives leaving a company, first of all because they

00:27:50 ◼   ► are very public figures, and second because history teaches us that there's always a backstory,

00:27:58 ◼   ► right?

00:27:59 ◼   ► Especially with high profile executives leaving Apple in recent history, there's always been

00:28:04 ◼   ► a backstory.

00:28:05 ◼   ► And so the pattern teaches us that there's always more hiding beneath the surface, which

00:28:10 ◼   ► I think it makes for a fun, you know, exercise in analysis, makes for a fun conversation.

00:28:17 ◼   ► And especially now, with everything happening around the App Store, I think it would be,

00:28:23 ◼   ► it would be, you know, kind of short-sighted not to consider the circumstances. I mean,

00:28:29 ◼   ► you can ignore them, but that's not how I usually operate. You know, sometimes, you

00:28:37 ◼   ► know, being skeptical all the time sure is not a great way to live, but sometimes

00:28:42 ◼   ► you're right about it, and so that's why I consider the circumstances. And maybe

00:28:48 ◼   ► I'm wrong, but I mean, it's a fact, right? It's happening now, these antitrust cases,

00:28:53 ◼   ► so it's at the very, even though you don't believe it, it's at the very least

00:28:58 ◼   ► something that you should mention. I think that it would be wild to not at

00:29:03 ◼   ► least consider it. It's like I'm agreeing with you, like it would you should it there

00:29:07 ◼   ► is a cause and effect potentially at play right like you would at least talk

00:29:10 ◼   ► about it. Like if this was if Phil didn't run the app store we wouldn't be talking

00:29:16 ◼   ► about this. No exactly. Right so like yeah if I don't know I'm look who is another

00:29:23 ◼   ► I don't even remember then everybody's people needs like so if Dan Riccio senior vice

00:29:28 ◼   ► president of hardware engineering left wouldn't be going what about the app

00:29:31 ◼   ► store, right? Like, that wouldn't come up because it doesn't make any sense. Can I just

00:29:37 ◼   ► say one last thing about this maybe before we move on, which I kind of found funny? There's

00:29:42 ◼   ► just this one line which I just really like where Phil says, this is a quote from Phil,

00:29:47 ◼   ► where is it? It's about his friends and he just, he only referenced, here we go. "It's

00:29:54 ◼   ► been a dream come true for me to work at Apple on so many products I love of all of these

00:29:58 ◼   ► great friends Steve, Tim and so many more and I just kind of like that because it's

00:30:03 ◼   ► like who's he leaving out right because he only mentioned Steve and Tim Scott makes perfect

00:30:13 ◼   ► sense to mention Steve obviously so therefore you would definitely mention Tim because that

00:30:18 ◼   ► would be terrible right like if he just said Steve and so many more like you kind of got

00:30:22 ◼   ► I mentioned to him, he's your boss, but like there are many colleagues he's not mentioned.

00:30:27 ◼   ► Does he secretly hate Craig Federighi? Who knows? I just find that funny. Like obviously

00:30:33 ◼   ► you should probably stop at Steve and Tim because then you're definitely going to leave people out,

00:30:38 ◼   ► but it was just funny to me anyway. It's a big move for a company that has relatively

00:30:45 ◼   ► stable people at the top. Is it possible that he is the current longest tenured employee?

00:30:52 ◼   ► No, I don't think he's the longest tenured employee, but he's the longest tenured person

00:30:57 ◼   ► on the executive page.

00:30:59 ◼   ► Right.

00:31:00 ◼   ► So there are people that are still working at Apple for longer than 30 years?

00:31:03 ◼   ► Yeah, Chris Espinosa comes to mind, for one.

00:31:06 ◼   ► Wow.

00:31:07 ◼   ► He was there early on.

00:31:08 ◼   ► That's incredible.

00:31:09 ◼   ► But he, I think he is the longest running executive, and I mean, think about how long

00:31:14 ◼   ► he's been there.

00:31:15 ◼   ► He not only came to Apple when it was kind of a weird move to do so, but stayed through

00:31:21 ◼   ► the 90s survived the Jobs transition, right?

00:31:24 ◼   ► Like you would think a product,

00:31:26 ◼   ► like a marketing person would maybe not,

00:31:29 ◼   ► I don't know his title exactly when Jobs came back,

00:31:31 ◼   ► but he survived a lot of change.

00:31:33 ◼   ► And I think he's adapted really well to current Apple

00:31:38 ◼   ► where when Jobs was around,

00:31:42 ◼   ► he did a lot of the heavy lifting.

00:31:44 ◼   ► Phil slid into that spot really well.

00:31:47 ◼   ► And as they've done a lot to diversify the people they have on stage and the voices we

00:31:53 ◼   ► hear from Apple, he's done a good job at stepping aside and letting other people have their

00:31:57 ◼   ► time.

00:31:58 ◼   ► And I just I look at that and I look at the flexibility that he, at least from the outside,

00:32:02 ◼   ► has shown in his career and I find it I find it inspiring a little bit that somebody who

00:32:07 ◼   ► has such a long career at one place can change and adapt and be successful through several

00:32:13 ◼   ► different eras.

00:32:15 ◼   ► It doesn't surprise me that he never left.

00:32:18 ◼   ► Because if marketing is what you love to do, is there a better company to work for?

00:32:25 ◼   ► Apple's marketing is incredible.

00:32:28 ◼   ► It's arguably one of the reasons that they are as successful as they are in modern times.

00:32:35 ◼   ► Unless you wanted a specific challenge, like I want to turn a company around, if you want

00:32:41 ◼   ► to work on marketing, especially if you want to work on marketing and technology, like,

00:32:46 ◼   ► why would you, you know, why would you why would you leave, you know, so doesn't surprise

00:32:51 ◼   ► me. He was there for so long. And he's still there. He's not gone, not gone yet.

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00:34:57 ◼   ► theories and talk about iMacs. I wasn't saying it was a conspiracy theory.

00:35:04 ◼   ► So what's new in the iMac? Maybe there's conspiracy theories about it. No there

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00:35:15 ◼   ► changes SSDs are now in all the default configurations. They're pretty

00:35:20 ◼   ► small. They start at I think 256 gigs so the Fusion Drive remains an option on

00:35:25 ◼   ► the 21 and a half inch iMac everything else is the same older processors older GPUs

00:35:30 ◼   ► They still have the 1080 display. So that base

00:35:34 ◼   ► 1099 iMac still not 4k retina. It's just hanging out down there at the bottom as the only non retina computer Apple sells

00:35:41 ◼   ► Which is sad the 27 inch is where all the the news is. So just quickly move through this

00:35:48 ◼   ► SSD across the board up to 8 terabytes on the upper end

00:35:53 ◼   ► They they all come with the t2 security chip now

00:35:56 ◼   ► It was the last Mac not to ship with that

00:35:59 ◼   ► So the 21 inch does not have it because you can get the fusion drive, but the 27 does

00:36:03 ◼   ► Higher RAM ceilings up to 128 gigabytes of memory much better GPUs with up to double video memory

00:36:11 ◼   ► It got the fancy microphone system. It got 1080p webcam

00:36:15 ◼   ► the top end is a 10 core i9 which you can spec to which is bananas and

00:36:22 ◼   ► something that really surprised me I didn't see coming the nano texture option on the Pro Display XDR is

00:36:28 ◼   ► available on the 27 inch iMac

00:36:30 ◼   ► It's $500 here as opposed to the thousand it is on the Pro Display, but that's really cool

00:36:36 ◼   ► I'm I did not see that coming. I'd like to see the nano texture show up on more and more products

00:36:44 ◼   ► I think it's really cool. The nano texture thing is my favorite part of the

00:36:49 ◼   ► Announcement because it opens the door for future products to get that now

00:36:54 ◼   ► Because it was something we'd hoped and and kind of assumed that if Apple could find a way to make it a thing on other

00:37:00 ◼   ► Products they could you may be thinking that that sounds like an iMac Pro to me. That's not like an iMac Pro

00:37:05 ◼   ► And it is so it has lots of RAM. It has better GPUs. It has the 1080p webcam, which the iMac Pro had

00:37:14 ◼   ► To account for this Apple has dropped the 8 core Xeon from the base iMac Pro. So the base iMac Pro now comes with a 10 core

00:37:21 ◼   ► Xeon W processor the rest of the iMac Pro is the same

00:37:26 ◼   ► No new video card, even though it needs one no updated Xeon

00:37:30 ◼   ► No, nano texture option. So the iMac Pro is just kind of hanging out there

00:37:35 ◼   ► Unchanged now for coming up on three years, which is it really I really think the iMac Pro is

00:37:42 ◼   ► I don't think it's gonna survive the Intel to ARM transition. I think it's

00:37:46 ◼   ► gonna die with a Xeon and not be resurrected on the other side. What do

00:37:51 ◼   ► you guys, what do you think about that Myke? Do you think it's over for the

00:37:53 ◼   ► iMac Pro? I think it's becoming more likely that it's not gonna be needed

00:38:00 ◼   ► anymore. There's no point continuing to make the iMac Pro if the iMac can be as

00:38:05 ◼   ► powerful or more so, which could be possible after the Apple Silicon

00:38:11 ◼   ► transition. So I think it's at a point where it just may not be needed and also

00:38:16 ◼   ► we were talking about this on upgrade a little bit. The iMac Pro was conceived in

00:38:22 ◼   ► a very different time. The iMac Pro was conceived when there wasn't a Mac

00:38:29 ◼   ► Pro, there was not going to be another Mac Pro, is a better thing to say. And so

00:38:34 ◼   ► they continued with that computer because they had to plug the gap before

00:38:37 ◼   ► the new Mac Pro would be ready and so they went with it right actually I think

00:38:42 ◼   ► they when they showed it off they hadn't had that roundtable yet had they or had

00:38:45 ◼   ► they no they had hadn't they they first mentioned it in that roundtable thing

00:38:49 ◼   ► and then they showed it off at WWDC that's right a little later on now you

00:38:53 ◼   ► know I think it's it's fair to say that like if Apple would have continued with

00:38:57 ◼   ► the Mac Pro and continued wanting to invest in the Mac Pro they never would

00:39:02 ◼   ► have made the other Mac Pro they would have just continued to make the iMac

00:39:05 ◼   ► more powerful as they have done anyway right like the iMac Pro has not stopped

00:39:09 ◼   ► them from making the iMac a better computer because as you said like this

00:39:14 ◼   ► one is pretty much it and in some ways is better than so much so that they got

00:39:20 ◼   ► rid of the base model iMac Pro right like the was it the 8 core or the 6 core

00:39:26 ◼   ► they got rid of it because it's not competitive enough anymore and then

00:39:31 ◼   ► they brought the price down of the 10 core to start at 5000. So I think that they're

00:39:37 ◼   ► further proving that even in the current climate before Apple Silicon, the need for the iMac

00:39:43 ◼   ► Pro is becoming less and less. I think once we move past this, what's the point? Like

00:39:49 ◼   ► if you could just keep spec'ing iMacs up to be super powerful, why have a different product

00:39:54 ◼   ► line? You're just confusing things. I think so too. I mean the iMac Pro still has headroom

00:39:59 ◼   ► over the iMac, but it is a smaller gap

00:40:02 ◼   ► than it used to be, a gap that may not matter

00:40:04 ◼   ► by the time Apple Silicon rolls around.

00:40:07 ◼   ► I do think that this 27-inch iMac, the 5K,

00:40:10 ◼   ► is gonna be around for a while.

00:40:12 ◼   ► This is a very meaningful update,

00:40:14 ◼   ► and we can talk about whether it's the last update

00:40:15 ◼   ► or not in a second.

00:40:17 ◼   ► But this machine could sit on the shelf for 18 months

00:40:19 ◼   ► and I think be okay.

00:40:21 ◼   ► And that does make me think that the current,

00:40:27 ◼   ► like roadmap to arm is maybe notebook heavy at first and that the iMac would follow a

00:40:32 ◼   ► little bit later on.

00:40:33 ◼   ► Well, they didn't touch the 21.

00:40:37 ◼   ► That's true. And it may be that they replay I don't think the 21 will survive either.

00:40:41 ◼   ► I think it think the rumors a 24 inch 21.5 is pretty small. I don't know the last time

00:40:45 ◼   ► anyone sat in front of one of those but it's it's pretty small for you to something bigger

00:40:49 ◼   ► and maybe that one goes arm and the bigger one stays until a little bit longer. I don't

00:40:54 ◼   ► know if they would split the iMac that way.

00:40:56 ◼   ► Can I test your memory here a little bit?

00:40:58 ◼   ► Yes, please.

00:40:59 ◼   ► When they moved the MacBook Pro, the 13 inch, to the Magic Keyboard, what else did they

00:41:08 ◼   ► do to it?

00:41:10 ◼   ► I think it came with a spec bump.

00:41:13 ◼   ► Yeah, but I'm trying to remember what kind of specs were bumped.

00:41:19 ◼   ► Basically what I'm trying to posit here is that the...

00:41:23 ◼   ► Oh, I remember what they did.

00:41:25 ◼   ► They added, that one is the one that can go up to 32 gigabytes of RAM and they added a

00:41:30 ◼   ► bigger storage option.

00:41:32 ◼   ► Okay.

00:41:33 ◼   ► So because of new processors, it was a spec bump with a keyboard.

00:41:38 ◼   ► Right.

00:41:39 ◼   ► Because while I'm trying to draw a line here, it was to say that the 16 inch, the 15 became

00:41:45 ◼   ► the 16, it got a big revision.

00:41:47 ◼   ► The 27 to the new 27 is a big revision.

00:41:50 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:41:51 ◼   ► 13-inch MacBook Pro and the 21 and a half inch iMac got some changes that were arguably

00:41:59 ◼   ► necessary changes for both. Like the iMac didn't get as much as the MacBook Pro. The

00:42:04 ◼   ► reason I'm saying all this is because maybe those models aren't going to be as long in

00:42:10 ◼   ► the world as the more expensive models in their lineup.

00:42:13 ◼   ► Sure.

00:42:14 ◼   ► Right? So that like we may see, I genuinely think we're going to see a consumer laptop.

00:42:20 ◼   ► I don't know what it is. I don't think it's going to be the Air, I'm not sure.

00:42:23 ◼   ► The MacBook Pro and the iMac 21 inch, they will be the first things.

00:42:28 ◼   ► This is not a completely original thought, I'm just putting my stake in the ground, right?

00:42:31 ◼   ► They will be the first three Apple Silicon Macs, so they can have cool consumer options

00:42:39 ◼   ► and showing the power, which will be what the MacBook Pro will do.

00:42:44 ◼   ► That's probably what's going to happen.

00:42:47 ◼   ► And that might be why the smaller iMac kind of didn't think you were going to get touched

00:42:52 ◼   ► at all, to be honest.

00:42:54 ◼   ► Maybe it's up sooner in the ARM list.

00:42:56 ◼   ► Which I think makes sense too, right?

00:42:58 ◼   ► Like if you're going to do it at desktop, well that's the desktop you'll start with.

00:43:02 ◼   ► You don't start with the iMac Pro if they're going to do one.

00:43:07 ◼   ► And to be honest...

00:43:08 ◼   ► The iMac and the Mac Mini.

00:43:09 ◼   ► Yeah, I think when we say the iMac Pro won't exist anymore, it's the idea of there being

00:43:15 ◼   ► an iMac which is different.

00:43:17 ◼   ► Like that is a different computer.

00:43:19 ◼   ► The internals of it are different.

00:43:21 ◼   ► Where it is designed separately,

00:43:24 ◼   ► it has a different cooling system.

00:43:26 ◼   ► They may have a version of the Apple Silicon iMac

00:43:29 ◼   ► that's painted gray.

00:43:30 ◼   ► And they just call it the iMac Pro

00:43:33 ◼   ► and it's just a higher level.

00:43:36 ◼   ► But the idea of there being this completely separate machine

00:43:41 ◼   ► which looks like an iMac but kind of isn't in the insides,

00:43:44 ◼   ► it's very different. I don't think that that's going to exist anymore.

00:43:48 ◼   ► Yeah, I think that tracks. That does bring up a point about these iMacs, is that as far

00:43:55 ◼   ► as we know, no one's taken one of these apart yet, but Apple didn't mention it. I think

00:44:00 ◼   ► they would have if it had been done. The cooling system has not been iMac Pro-ified. It doesn't

00:44:07 ◼   ► have the overhaul that the iMac Pro got. Now, the big one doesn't have a three and a half

00:44:13 ◼   ► drive in it anymore. I don't know how they're doing the SSDs but at the very

00:44:17 ◼   ► least it would should it should have better airflow but it does not have the

00:44:21 ◼   ► cooling the iMac Pro does and the that could be a little noisy on the 10 core

00:44:26 ◼   ► maybe we'll have to see how it goes and Jason is providing real-time follow-up

00:44:30 ◼   ► the cooling system is not an iMac Pro cooling system so it is the same fan

00:44:35 ◼   ► layout as the as the previous 5k. So I'm sure in Cinebench you know the iMac Pro

00:44:40 ◼   ► will still be able to be, you know, like in some benchmark it's not gonna get

00:44:44 ◼   ► throttled but like I just don't know how important that stuff is. So anyways, good

00:44:47 ◼   ► day if you're at iMac. I think if you've been holding out for an iMac this is a

00:44:51 ◼   ► good time to update. This is the biggest update the iMac's had in a while and

00:44:55 ◼   ► that brings us to the question of is this the last Intel iMac? Are we gonna

00:45:01 ◼   ► see another 27-inch update? I don't think we will. I think that because this

00:45:08 ◼   ► update is so meaningful they've done so many things that this 27 inch iMac can

00:45:14 ◼   ► last a while and I think it buys them enough time to get an Apple Silicon 5k

00:45:19 ◼   ► iMac out the door. I think that this is sort of the last hurrah for the Intel

00:45:24 ◼   ► iMac. I would say if I was gonna make this some kind of pick. Oh yeah. This will

00:45:29 ◼   ► be the last time the new badge is on the Apple Store for any Intel Mac. Really?

00:45:36 ◼   ► Mmm, no more Intel updates after this that doesn't mean no more updates like the Mac Pro gets updates

00:45:43 ◼   ► But they don't put the new badge on it. Well, then are the Mac Pro gets new components. You can put in it sure

00:45:49 ◼   ► Yeah, that's not a product update saying that that's definitely gonna happen

00:45:54 ◼   ► I'm just doing what we do with pics, but like I think that it's possible like, you know, like yes

00:45:59 ◼   ► You could do it. You could update the Mac mini, but I don't think they will right like

00:46:02 ◼   ► so I

00:46:06 ◼   ► I can't really, I could see a world in which

00:46:10 ◼   ► this is the last major update for an Intel machine,

00:46:13 ◼   ► like major update.

00:46:14 ◼   ► Like they'll continue doing stuff to the other computers,

00:46:17 ◼   ► but I don't think they'll be major enough.

00:46:19 ◼   ► We'll see.

00:46:20 ◼   ► - Anyways, that's iMac news.

00:46:22 ◼   ► Kind of a fun, it's been a very busy week for August.

00:46:26 ◼   ► Very, very strange.

00:46:28 ◼   ► Usually very quiet this time of year.

00:46:30 ◼   ► - Yep, because everyone's at work,

00:46:32 ◼   ► no one's going on vacation.

00:46:34 ◼   ► - It's not a time of year where tech companies

00:46:36 ◼   ► do a lot of releases. Yeah, because people go on vacations. Yeah. And no one's doing

00:46:40 ◼   ► that. So why stop? I'm going. Yeah, but you're in a country that has Zach together.

00:46:44 ◼   ► Well, and also on your vacation you write an iOS review the whole time so that doesn't

00:46:50 ◼   ► count. But like the idea of like shutting down for the summer season, which is something

00:46:55 ◼   ► that happens in corporations, like it just doesn't happen in this year. So, just keep

00:47:01 ◼   ► working. The Lord just keep working. Do you guys think they have more coming in August?

00:47:05 ◼   ► Yes.

00:47:06 ◼   ► Hmm. Is that a yes because you think or is that a yes because you've heard?

00:47:11 ◼   ► No, it's a yes because I think. Like, just that thing that we spoke about last week,

00:47:15 ◼   ► you know, which that wild set of predictions. I just think that there's, I think that Apple

00:47:23 ◼   ► potentially still has a lot in the pipeline this year and they may as well start getting

00:47:29 ◼   ► it out while they can, especially because if they have products they can sell that are

00:47:36 ◼   ► new, they will want to do that because of the quarterly results.

00:47:40 ◼   ► Because they've already said that the iPhone will be slipping.

00:47:43 ◼   ► So the iPhone, no iPhone will be sold in their fourth fiscal quarter.

00:47:48 ◼   ► New iPhone, right?

00:47:49 ◼   ► It's all going to go to Q1, the holiday quarter, because they're not going to come out until

00:47:53 ◼   ► October.

00:47:54 ◼   ► So I would expect that if Apple has new products to sell that they have otherwise ordered onto,

00:48:00 ◼   ► I would expect them to put them on sale.

00:48:02 ◼   ► And that would include stuff like AirPods, AirPod Studio, HomePod, that kind of stuff.

00:48:09 ◼   ► If they have them.

00:48:10 ◼   ► If you've got them, sell them.

00:48:11 ◼   ► Have you guys changed your mind on the iOS?

00:48:14 ◼   ► I'm going to talk about iOS 14 in a few minutes.

00:48:17 ◼   ► Have you guys changed your mind on the release date?

00:48:20 ◼   ► You're still thinking they're not going to change it?

00:48:22 ◼   ► Are they going to postpone it?

00:48:24 ◼   ► that they have said the thing about the iPhones?

00:48:26 ◼   ► I don't know man, because I still don't feel like I can put...

00:48:30 ◼   ► So what we're saying is that Apple said that the iPhones are coming a couple of weeks later

00:48:35 ◼   ► this year, which means they'll be in October. But I still can't put my finger on when would

00:48:40 ◼   ► they have the event. Right, yeah.

00:48:44 ◼   ► Because they could still have the event in the first week of September if they want to.

00:48:49 ◼   ► Like, I mean, it's not like it's a surprise when iPhones come out.

00:48:52 ◼   ► So like lots of people are not buying iPhones in late August or early September anyway,

00:48:57 ◼   ► because they know there'll be a new one. So if they still want to put iOS 14 out in the middle

00:49:04 ◼   ► of September, which they may still want to do, for I don't know what reason, but they may still want

00:49:08 ◼   ► to do it, then they will do that. And then they'll do the iPhone, they'll show it off, they'll say

00:49:13 ◼   ► they're coming in a month, and that's that. So I still feel like I'm not, I can't predict it

00:49:19 ◼   ► any differently even though they've given me that date?

00:49:22 ◼   ► Yeah, unfortunately I'm in the same position.

00:49:25 ◼   ► I'm sorry. Well, no, but that is... Look, it's fortunate,

00:49:29 ◼   ► right? You should not be thinking you have extra time

00:49:32 ◼   ► in case you don't.

00:49:34 ◼   ► No, I know, and I'm not thinking that, but, you know,

00:49:37 ◼   ► it would be nice... it would be nice to know, but I know it's not going to

00:49:43 ◼   ► happen, so I'm still approaching this as if, you know, iOS is coming out in mid

00:49:47 ◼   ► mid-September, as usual.

00:49:50 ◼   ► That's how I'm approaching this.

00:49:52 ◼   ► Maybe I'm a bit slower than usual this year, but it'll get done.

00:49:55 ◼   ► It wouldn't surprise me if they just haven't decided.

00:49:57 ◼   ► That could also be it, right?

00:49:58 ◼   ► They could be gathered, still collecting feedback from the beta testers.

00:50:04 ◼   ► One thing I believe is happening is they want to make sure that whatever they launch as

00:50:11 ◼   ► the first public version is in better shape than last year.

00:50:16 ◼   ► That I think is the main driving force here. Like, whatever we launch to the people who

00:50:22 ◼   ► don't have the public beta or the like the public version has to be in better shape than

00:50:27 ◼   ► last year.

00:50:28 ◼   ► You mean like the shipping golden master version, right?

00:50:31 ◼   ► Like, when my mom checks for updates.

00:50:34 ◼   ► What's she gonna get?

00:50:35 ◼   ► Like, what's she gonna get? Like, that version needs to be better than whatever they did

00:50:41 ◼   ► with 13. Like if you guys like just to remember for a second like what they did last year

00:50:47 ◼   ► with the split release that 13 then was 13.1 which was also iPadOS and that came out like

00:50:55 ◼   ► first they gave us a date and then that date changed. It came out like a couple of days

00:51:02 ◼   ► in advance like it was kind of messy and then I like I was going through these numbers for my

00:51:07 ◼   ► review. They had like in two months like eight software updates or something like

00:51:13 ◼   ► that. Like it was wild. Just the number of fixes and patches that they had to put

00:51:18 ◼   ► out last year. Because I remember it was crazy for you because you kept having to

00:51:23 ◼   ► like rearrange things in the review like if you or if you deciding if you wanted

00:51:27 ◼   ► to right because some parts weren't available. So here on that if I was Craig

00:51:32 ◼   ► Federighi right the way that I would do it is this back when months ago they

00:51:38 ◼   ► must have set a target date for iOS 14 based on iPhone shipping right like

00:51:43 ◼   ► before delays you know they would have had a date and the date would say

00:51:47 ◼   ► September 14th or whatever right I would still say right like let's aim for our

00:51:54 ◼   ► original date and we'll see where we are when we get there and if when we get to

00:52:00 ◼   ► our original date we feel like we want to spend more time making it more rock

00:52:06 ◼   ► solid let's do that up until the date that the iPhone comes out you know so

00:52:12 ◼   ► like they've given them you know it would be like I would be giving us a

00:52:15 ◼   ► window of where from the original date to the date when iPhones ship and we can

00:52:20 ◼   ► decide during that period of time if and when we need to continue working on

00:52:25 ◼   ► things that's that's the way I would do it because ultimately like they can

00:52:29 ◼   ► release at any point up until the new iPhone, you know? Or as I proved last year, a random

00:52:36 ◼   ► time after the new iPhone comes out. But I feel like they have the ability to do for

00:52:44 ◼   ► themselves what you're mentioning, of like, well, they had a date that they wanted to

00:52:47 ◼   ► ship it on, and now they might be able to actually make it even more 100% solid by spending

00:52:53 ◼   ► a little bit more time on it. But if it's ready, go for it. I don't know.

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00:54:13 ◼   ► So we knew that with iOS 14, one of the things that users would get to be able to do is to

00:54:19 ◼   ► set their default browser or email client to be not Safari and not Mail.

00:54:26 ◼   ► And all we knew is that apps would get a special, basically an entitlement to allow them to

00:54:31 ◼   ► do that.

00:54:32 ◼   ► Not every app could do it, you kind of had to apply for it.

00:54:35 ◼   ► As of this past week, Apple has actually released some of the basic rules that an app would

00:54:43 ◼   ► need to follow to be able to be either a new default browser or email client.

00:54:48 ◼   ► So I wanted to read some of these kind of rules in basic.

00:54:51 ◼   ► Obviously, things get a lot more complicated, but just kind of like high level, these are

00:54:55 ◼   ► the things that you'd need to do, and then we can talk about it.

00:54:57 ◼   ► And I know Federico, you've been looking into and thinking about this a bit over the past

00:55:01 ◼   ► week.

00:55:02 ◼   ► So these are the rules for browsers.

00:55:04 ◼   ► Your app must specify the HTTP or HTTPS schemes in its info.plist file, and it cannot redirect

00:55:11 ◼   ► a URL to an unexpected location.

00:55:14 ◼   ► So your application can't be taking a URL that someone puts into it and sending some

00:55:18 ◼   ► people to somewhere else, which is great.

00:55:20 ◼   ► Your app can't use UI WebView.

00:55:22 ◼   ► This is deprecated years ago and they need to use the Safari engine, which, you know,

00:55:27 ◼   ► like the Chrome app uses the Safari engine, for example.

00:55:31 ◼   ► And on launch, the app must provide a text field for entering a URL, search tools for

00:55:37 ◼   ► finding relevant links on the internet, or curated lists of bookmarks, basic browser

00:55:42 ◼   ► tasks.

00:55:43 ◼   ► The rules for email apps, they need to specify the mail to scheme and its info.plist files

00:55:49 ◼   ► so therefore when someone hits that mail to link it will open your application.

00:55:54 ◼   ► Be able to send a message to any valid email recipient and be able to receive a message

00:56:01 ◼   ► from any email sender.

00:56:03 ◼   ► Apps that provide user controlled incoming mail screening features are permitted.

00:56:07 ◼   ► These are the rules.

00:56:09 ◼   ► To be granted with the entitlement to become a default browser or email application, you

00:56:13 ◼   ► have to send an email to a specific email address at Apple, which are listed in the

00:56:18 ◼   ► documentation, which feels like a pretty shady approval process.

00:56:25 ◼   ► I had somebody posit this theory to me of like, you've got to assume that they will

00:56:30 ◼   ► say, "Oh, okay, if you're an email app, you now have to do these other five things that

00:56:34 ◼   ► we haven't told you.

00:56:35 ◼   ► You need to support Split View.

00:56:38 ◼   ► need to support dark mode right like who knows like that's how we'll approve you

00:56:42 ◼   ► well I don't know I'm just this is just like conspiracies but it is is kind of

00:56:49 ◼   ► peculiar that you have to send an email to a random email address is it the

00:56:53 ◼   ► trailers at Mac calm again it's not but you know what you know what I bet I bet

00:56:58 ◼   ► Google haven't had to send that email is it is it the same process for carplay

00:57:04 ◼   ► that you need to request approval.

00:57:07 ◼   ► - I know you need to request it,

00:57:08 ◼   ► but I don't know how you do it, but it is a similar thing.

00:57:11 ◼   ► You request to be a CarPlay application,

00:57:13 ◼   ► and then you get given this entitlement.

00:57:15 ◼   ► Let me see if I can find that out

00:57:17 ◼   ► while you do talk about it a little more.

00:57:19 ◼   ► - Also like on the topic of like Apple saying to you,

00:57:23 ◼   ► well, we would approve you

00:57:24 ◼   ► if all you also supported these features.

00:57:26 ◼   ► I think that's an important point actually,

00:57:29 ◼   ► because if you disable the defaults and especially mail,

00:57:33 ◼   ► I wonder what's gonna happen to Siri integration, because right now if you ask Siri to send an email

00:57:40 ◼   ► Obviously does so with mail, but if you change your default email client, what's gonna happen there?

00:57:47 ◼   ► I guess that the correct behavior would be if you set your default to be

00:57:53 ◼   ► Gmail or Outlook and if those apps have native Siri integration

00:57:58 ◼   ► you will be able to just have the same functionality. So Gmail or Outlook or

00:58:04 ◼   ► Spark, they use the SiriKit integration domain for email messages, and they let you send an email message via voice.

00:58:12 ◼   ► Now,

00:58:14 ◼   ► Gmail does not integrate with SiriKit, I believe, and we all know how, let's just say,

00:58:20 ◼   ► and Google can be in terms of adopting new iOS features. Now, I do believe that a

00:58:26 ◼   ► scenario in which I could see Google actually saying, "Oh, well, now we support SplitView, drag and drop, and slide over, and Siri."

00:58:34 ◼   ► If

00:58:37 ◼   ► would be if Apple were to come in and say, "Well, we really want a preview. However, we feel like to guarantee the best user experience

00:58:44 ◼   ► for being set as default, you also need to support Siri." So,

00:58:49 ◼   ► So, I don't know, I think there's actually something there in terms of... because if

00:58:55 ◼   ► you change the default, then people expect to have the same features and the same experience,

00:59:01 ◼   ► and part of that experience is also Siri for sending emails and checking your email from

00:59:07 ◼   ► Siri.

00:59:08 ◼   ► So, I think there's something to the idea of Apple making requests in exchange, you

00:59:14 ◼   ► know, in return to those companies applying for this entitlement. I don't think it's totally

00:59:21 ◼   ► out of the question. And I think it would actually also make sense, right? You want

00:59:25 ◼   ► to be set as default, just like a minimum threshold of functionality that people expect.

00:59:30 ◼   ► Now obviously this is not written in the rules, so maybe Apple doesn't actually care about

00:59:36 ◼   ► this, and maybe even if you disable, like even if you change the default, but if you

00:59:41 ◼   ► ask Siri to send an email, maybe it'll just default to mail. So Apple maybe doesn't care

00:59:46 ◼   ► about this, but I think they should. I think it would be the right approach, technically

00:59:50 ◼   ► speaking.

00:59:51 ◼   ► I feel like if you ask Siri to send an email, it should do it with your default email app.

00:59:56 ◼   ► I also think so, yes. With the default that you set, right?

01:00:02 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:00:03 ◼   ► Yeah. Just like when you tap on a mailto link, it takes you to your default. If you ask Siri

01:00:09 ◼   ► send an email, you should take it to your default.

01:00:12 ◼   ► Well but that might be like a backdoor way to get them.

01:00:15 ◼   ► But this is not in the guidelines.

01:00:17 ◼   ► That's a good point, that's a good point.

01:00:19 ◼   ► But I do feel like there may be things in the guidelines, things they will want you

01:00:24 ◼   ► to do that are not in the guidelines.

01:00:25 ◼   ► Stephen found by the way…

01:00:27 ◼   ► That are only explained on the phone.

01:00:29 ◼   ► For CarPlay, yeah, not via email anymore.

01:00:35 ◼   ► For CarPlay it's actually like just a form that you fill in, in the Apple developer account.

01:00:39 ◼   ► So it is kind of different in a kind of peculiar way, I think.

01:00:44 ◼   ► An email address does seem strange?

01:00:47 ◼   ► Yeah, it seems like they didn't get the form built in time.

01:00:51 ◼   ► That CarPlay form says this, "If you think your app has the potential to be supported

01:00:55 ◼   ► by CarPlay, tell us about it.

01:00:58 ◼   ► Before submitting, review the CarPlay app guidelines in the CarPlay App Programming

01:01:01 ◼   ► Guide," and there's a link to that.

01:01:03 ◼   ► And you can pick your app type, audio, automaker, communication, EV charging, navigation, parking,

01:01:09 ◼   ► quick food ordering. Some of those are the new types that we got in iOS 14. And then

01:01:13 ◼   ► you tell them about your product and then I assume that you hear back and they say yes

01:01:18 ◼   ► or no. They're very picky about what goes into CarPlay for good reason. I don't want

01:01:24 ◼   ► games on CarPlay. I don't want the stupid stuff Tesla does. I just want the things that

01:01:28 ◼   ► are really useful and helpful.

01:01:30 ◼   ► Maybe they're just assuming they won't get that many requests for the browser and email.

01:01:35 ◼   ► really it probably isn't going to be more than a few hundred for each I would

01:01:41 ◼   ► assume where CarPlay would be much more right I would expect like applications

01:01:46 ◼   ► that want to be in CarPlay whether they should be there or not but like

01:01:50 ◼   ► especially because there's so many types of applications that that could in

01:01:54 ◼   ► theory be a CarPlay app. Can we talk about a specific line from these

01:01:59 ◼   ► guidelines regarding email clients? I would love to. Be able, so they say email

01:02:05 ◼   ► apps should be able to receive a message from any email sender. That's okay. Apps that provide

01:02:11 ◼   ► user-controlled incoming mail screening features are permitted.

01:02:19 ◼   ► What's the point? What's the point of this line?

01:02:21 ◼   ► It's "hey". It's giving the nod to "hey".

01:02:23 ◼   ► It's for "hey".

01:02:24 ◼   ► Yeah, but what's the point of putting it in there if there's no problem?

01:02:26 ◼   ► It's like "okay".

01:02:30 ◼   ► You don't need to say this if you're only saying it because of "hey".

01:02:34 ◼   ► Because now you made me think, "Wait, was this a potential problem? Why do you need

01:02:40 ◼   ► to clarify that this is okay?"

01:02:42 ◼   ► It's so strange, right? Like, if you just had the first part of that sentence, people

01:02:46 ◼   ► aren't going to go, "What about, hey..." Like, be able to receive a message from any

01:02:51 ◼   ► email sender. "Yeah, sure, every email app should be able to do that." Like, that second

01:02:55 ◼   ► part of that sentence is unnecessary.

01:02:58 ◼   ► Yeah, maybe they're just covering their bases, right? Because if you say, "Receive a message

01:03:02 ◼   ► from an email sender and then somebody could maybe potentially stir up another controversy

01:03:07 ◼   ► and say "Oh, but what if you have a screening service? Does it mean that Apple is going

01:03:11 ◼   ► against Hey?" I don't know. Maybe that's stretching it though.

01:03:15 ◼   ► I just don't know why they felt the need to put that in there. It's so strange.

01:03:18 ◼   ► It's very odd.

01:03:19 ◼   ► It's so weird.

01:03:20 ◼   ► Also, because isn't it like literally called the screener or something?

01:03:25 ◼   ► Yes.

01:03:26 ◼   ► Yeah. So it really does stand out in there in those guidelines because everything else

01:03:31 ◼   ► pretty generic right of course a browser are there more than one is there more

01:03:35 ◼   ► than one app that does this I mean depending on how you read it like any

01:03:41 ◼   ► like the smart inbox yeah that sort of stuff could fall into this maybe but

01:03:45 ◼   ► they don't screen email like smart inboxes just resort them yeah it doesn't

01:03:50 ◼   ► screen email hmm something like same box kind of does yeah but same box isn't an

01:03:56 ◼   ► app. Yeah. Mail, screen, features. It's for hay. It's just like, it's just they don't... This is for hay. Maybe Google inbox? But that doesn't exist anymore. Does

01:04:05 ◼   ► Gmail do it? Gmail has like the sorting into various inboxes based on

01:04:10 ◼   ► promotional... It's not screening is it? But it's also not user controlled. This is just for hay. Yeah. Look, it's JAWS's first day. No, this isn't JAWS. This is still...

01:04:24 ◼   ► Let me finish my joke, Dad!

01:04:26 ◼   ► Oh, I'm sorry, sorry, sorry. You can edit me out if you want to.

01:04:30 ◼   ► So it's Jaws' first day as the Senior Vice President of Worldwide Marketing, right? Schiller

01:04:35 ◼   ► still lives at the App Store, but look, Schiller is floating in the pool on top of Apple Park

01:04:42 ◼   ► wearing a robe or probably nothing at all. So Jaws is really in charge of the App Store,

01:04:47 ◼   ► right? Schiller's out there just hanging out, and he saw what happened with hay. He saw

01:04:52 ◼   ► that the hay dust up forced Schiller into early retirement and he's like you

01:04:57 ◼   ► know what I'm gonna be really clear about this. I really love this app. I really want to approve you.

01:05:03 ◼   ► Can't wait to do it. Well I mean yes this is basically a hay feature

01:05:10 ◼   ► right here. Hey everything else pretty ordinary I think you cannot use UI

01:05:15 ◼   ► WebView of course it was deprecated a couple of years ago. You cannot redirect

01:05:21 ◼   ► people. Like, this is the reason there because, well, what if I'm now, what if I'm shipping

01:05:27 ◼   ► a custom browser and I take whatever you tap, but I take it to my website instead? Obviously

01:05:32 ◼   ► that is not allowed. You gotta take users to the URL that they tapped. And I think it's

01:05:38 ◼   ► interesting the, again for browsers, how they said you gotta have an address bar. So obviously

01:05:45 ◼   ► users should be able to tap into a text field and enter any URL. So from the sound of this,

01:05:52 ◼   ► it seems like any single domain or website specific web viewers are not considered browsers.

01:06:02 ◼   ► So you should always allow the users to tap into the address bar and change the URL. And

01:06:07 ◼   ► then they let you choose either you have to offer search or lists of bookmarks. So it

01:06:15 ◼   ► doesn't feel like search is mandatory, however you gotta choose between search or bookmarks.

01:06:20 ◼   ► So the user needs to be able to either enter URL or have a way to navigate out of the current

01:06:28 ◼   ► page in some, either via search or via bookmark, which I think is pretty okay.

01:06:33 ◼   ► I'm not actually completely sure about this, because the way this is written, it makes

01:06:37 ◼   ► it sound like any or all of the... it says "on launch the app must provide a text field

01:06:42 ◼   ► for entering URL, search tools for finding relevant links on the internet, or curated

01:06:48 ◼   ► list of bookmarks."

01:06:49 ◼   ► So is it saying that you don't have to have a text field for a URL? You could just have

01:06:56 ◼   ► a curated list of bookmarks and that would be okay? See what I mean? Like it's not completely...

01:07:01 ◼   ► Because if you have the info.plist information...

01:07:07 ◼   ► Yeah, it's one of these three.

01:07:09 ◼   ► It's one of these three.

01:07:11 ◼   ► Interesting.

01:07:12 ◼   ► Because they don't need you to type in a URL for you to be able to work as the default browser,

01:07:20 ◼   ► because the default browser just needs to be able to open a URL that it's given.

01:07:24 ◼   ► I mean, also, who's going to make a browser without an address bar?

01:07:27 ◼   ► Right?

01:07:28 ◼   ► I don't know.

01:07:29 ◼   ► I mean, that's...

01:07:30 ◼   ► So, yes, you're right, it's one of these three.

01:07:34 ◼   ► So you can open a link in a custom browser,

01:07:36 ◼   ► but then you must have a way to navigate

01:07:39 ◼   ► out of the current page.

01:07:41 ◼   ► And that can either be an address bar,

01:07:43 ◼   ► a search bar, or bookmarks.

01:07:45 ◼   ► Which, okay, that makes sense.

01:07:47 ◼   ► But they really wanna, I think from the sound of this,

01:07:50 ◼   ► it seems like they really don't want the user

01:07:52 ◼   ► to be in a situation where they install something,

01:07:54 ◼   ► they make it their custom browser,

01:07:56 ◼   ► and the custom browser only takes them to a single domain.

01:07:59 ◼   ► You know, there's potentially folks with pretty shady intentions who may be planning that.

01:08:08 ◼   ► So no Mac Stories browser?

01:08:10 ◼   ► No Mac Stories browser is what I'm saying, yes.

01:08:13 ◼   ► No 512 pixel browser either.

01:08:17 ◼   ► I'm gonna make a browser.

01:08:18 ◼   ► 123 browser.

01:08:19 ◼   ► It only takes you to your Twitter account.

01:08:22 ◼   ► It only takes you to the URL that you tap.

01:08:26 ◼   ► there's a curated list of bookmarks which is just like no website that is of

01:08:33 ◼   ► any use to you so like you can't search browse the web anymore it's like a

01:08:37 ◼   ► focused experience you know. #minimal. Yeah yeah so like you can't get to

01:08:44 ◼   ► anywhere else on the web of use anymore that's my that's my my that's cool my

01:08:49 ◼   ► elevator pitch. Aside from Myke I think you know Google, Microsoft, Mozilla,

01:08:56 ◼   ► all these folks will apply.

01:08:58 ◼   ► Maybe they will not even apply.

01:08:59 ◼   ► Apple is working with them, I bet.

01:09:01 ◼   ► - Which they should be.

01:09:03 ◼   ► - They should be because obviously this is like,

01:09:05 ◼   ► this is an actual feature that people want.

01:09:07 ◼   ► Like when I was talking to my friends recently,

01:09:10 ◼   ► it's like, so, you know, the usual question,

01:09:12 ◼   ► so what's new in the next update?

01:09:15 ◼   ► And I mean, widgets is a pretty easy sell.

01:09:18 ◼   ► People see it and like, oh, that's cool.

01:09:21 ◼   ► How can I do that?

01:09:22 ◼   ► And also like when you say,

01:09:24 ◼   ► "Oh, you can now change the default app for links."

01:09:28 ◼   ► It's like, "Oh yeah, I wanna use Google Chrome."

01:09:30 ◼   ► It's a thing that people understand immediately.

01:09:33 ◼   ► - I've actually come to the thinking of

01:09:35 ◼   ► changing the default email app is mostly a pointless affair.

01:09:40 ◼   ► - It's more, I think people are more excited

01:09:42 ◼   ► about the browser.

01:09:43 ◼   ► - The browser makes sense.

01:09:44 ◼   ► The email app, like what?

01:09:45 ◼   ► When I tap, I will get a different--

01:09:48 ◼   ► - Are you tapping all these Mailto links?

01:09:51 ◼   ► Exactly! Who's tapping mail to links that often?

01:09:54 ◼   ► I guess when you're like, I don't know, browsing like the hotel website.

01:09:59 ◼   ► Even as a user, I am not a user of the mail app, right? Like, it's not like I struggle.

01:10:06 ◼   ► I guess the only thing is like, so I no longer need to sign into the mail app with my email accounts?

01:10:12 ◼   ► But like, that's it! Like, the browser makes sense, Messenger apps make sense, music apps make more sense, right?

01:10:20 ◼   ► Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

01:10:22 ◼   ► It kind of like...

01:10:24 ◼   ► And those two are still apps that write music and messages.

01:10:28 ◼   ► Yep.

01:10:30 ◼   ► They're starting with email and browsers and maps, of course.

01:10:33 ◼   ► I don't think you can change the... Yeah, you cannot change the default for maps.

01:10:36 ◼   ► Yeah, I would much prefer maps to email.

01:10:40 ◼   ► Although, I gotta say, not completely happy with Google Maps in the past year.

01:10:45 ◼   ► What's wrong with Google Maps?

01:10:49 ◼   ► It's just Google Maps has been making some questionable decisions for me for turn by

01:10:55 ◼   ► turn directions.

01:10:57 ◼   ► With this insistence on like taking the road less traveled to save like a couple minutes.

01:11:05 ◼   ► That's Waze.

01:11:06 ◼   ► Yes, it's basically the Waze approach.

01:11:09 ◼   ► Don't they have settings for that kind of stuff though?

01:11:12 ◼   ► No, I cannot find them in Google Maps.

01:11:14 ◼   ► So many times, Silvia and I have found ourselves in like these country roads in the middle

01:11:19 ◼   ► of nowhere because Google Maps thought that we were going to save five minutes. And I'm

01:11:23 ◼   ► like, please let me be on the road where other human beings are driving. I don't want to

01:11:28 ◼   ► be stuck in the middle of nowhere where I turn my head and I can see like goats in a

01:11:32 ◼   ► field. Like this is not my ideal driving experience. I want to be on an actual road and not in

01:11:38 ◼   ► the middle of nowhere. And it happened a few times over the past year. And it didn't used

01:11:46 ◼   ► to be this way, Google Maps. Like, we actually didn't notice like a change. Like, suddenly

01:11:54 ◼   ► the default became, oh, let me offer you these unknown roads so that you can save five minutes.

01:12:02 ◼   ► And I'm like, please just let me be stuck in traffic and I'm going to get there, but

01:12:06 ◼   ► least I will be surrounded by other people. Yeah it is definitely that's a Waze thing,

01:12:12 ◼   ► like that's Waze's whole thing right of like using user data to tell you where people are and then

01:12:20 ◼   ► you can route people via places where they're not but that should be a like a choice. It makes me

01:12:28 ◼   ► feel very anxious honestly like to end up in the middle of nowhere. Because you're a little bit

01:12:33 ◼   ► like where are you gonna send me? Like where am I gonna go now?

01:12:37 ◼   ► Yeah exactly, it's like, yeah so I've been anticipating the rollout of the improved Apple

01:12:43 ◼   ► Maps here but I have a bad feeling about it, I think it's gonna be another couple of years

01:12:49 ◼   ► before we get them in Italy. Did they announce more places that they're

01:12:55 ◼   ► taken to? I don't remember the Apple Maps stuff. Some cities in Japan got it yesterday.

01:13:00 ◼   ► Oh that's nice, what about London? Did that ever happen?

01:13:03 ◼   ► I have an idea. I don't think it was...

01:13:07 ◼   ► Oh, wait. Was it mentioned somewhere that maybe the UK and Ireland...

01:13:11 ◼   ► Huh. No, maybe I'm making this up. I don't know. I gotta look into it.

01:13:17 ◼   ► A look around got put in Japan yesterday.

01:13:22 ◼   ► For someone who's not checking their RSS, you're definitely up on the Apple Maps news.

01:13:27 ◼   ► They did say revamped Apple Maps expanding to UK, Ireland and Canada later this year.

01:13:35 ◼   ► So maybe in a few months, Myke, you will get the new Maps stuff.

01:13:37 ◼   ► Because I only use Google Maps because I find it more reliable.

01:13:42 ◼   ► If Apple have created a reliable system, I will use that instead.

01:13:45 ◼   ► Yeah, they're saying later this year. So there's a good chance you'll have them by the end of the year.

01:13:51 ◼   ► Well, I'll look forward to trying that.

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01:15:23 ◼   ► Beta 4, iOS 14 Beta 4 came out. There's been some changes. I'll run through a couple I think

01:15:30 ◼   ► Federico you might have some more to add. They've added more widgets. There's an Apple TV widget now,

01:15:37 ◼   ► which was, I believe, I think I saw you say,

01:15:39 ◼   ► like the last widget that they showed off that didn't exist.

01:15:42 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, they showed it off at WWDC,

01:15:45 ◼   ► and it wasn't there in the first few betas.

01:15:47 ◼   ► Right, but now we have it.

01:15:49 ◼   ► We can now get widgets from third-party apps.

01:15:52 ◼   ► It's been a bit of a tease over the last beta cycle,

01:15:55 ◼   ► because it was like, you can submit them,

01:15:58 ◼   ► but they won't work on devices.

01:16:00 ◼   ► Yeah, there was like an issue in the beta 3 of Xcode.

01:16:04 ◼   ► 12 is version 12 now.

01:16:06 ◼   ► that prevented them from working in TestFlight.

01:16:10 ◼   ► But now they are working.

01:16:13 ◼   ► So that's nice because now we can finally try them.

01:16:16 ◼   ► - Yeah, I've used a couple.

01:16:17 ◼   ► One that was interesting to me is the drafts widget.

01:16:22 ◼   ► And I've only been noodling around with drafts recently.

01:16:25 ◼   ► I don't really have big thoughts on it.

01:16:29 ◼   ► But the thing that I found was interesting

01:16:31 ◼   ► was that one of the widget options

01:16:33 ◼   ► allows you to kind of set up a bunch of like squares,

01:16:37 ◼   ► like buttons you can tap on to take you to things

01:16:39 ◼   ► in the application, right?

01:16:40 ◼   ► So you can like, to a specific note, to a specific area,

01:16:44 ◼   ► to a search or whatever.

01:16:46 ◼   ► And what I found is like, it is incredibly fast

01:16:49 ◼   ► from tapping those buttons to getting to that area

01:16:52 ◼   ► of the application in a way that I think could be kind

01:16:55 ◼   ► of actually pretty cool because you're not like opening

01:16:58 ◼   ► the app, tapping, tapping, tapping.

01:17:00 ◼   ► Like I feel it feels very quick.

01:17:02 ◼   ► Plus the animation of opening an application from a widget also feels that way as well,

01:17:07 ◼   ► right?

01:17:08 ◼   ► It feels like the app just comes out of the widget.

01:17:10 ◼   ► So I don't know, I feel like there could be something kind of fun where some of these

01:17:13 ◼   ► utility applications, like I'm thinking to-do apps or whatever, if you could say something

01:17:18 ◼   ► like OmniFocus with your perspectives or whatever, set a little Max Stories perspective icon,

01:17:23 ◼   ► as they are, as the wonderful icons that they are, to open different perspectives or whatever

01:17:28 ◼   ► and OmniFocus would feel really fast.

01:17:31 ◼   ► And so that could be one of the nice things about these widgets, is it makes getting in

01:17:35 ◼   ► and out of applications feel quick, as well as providing information about them where

01:17:40 ◼   ► necessary.

01:17:41 ◼   ► Yeah, and I think judging from what we've seen so far, I think it's pretty clear that

01:17:45 ◼   ► given the limitations of WidgetKit this year, we're going to end up with two kinds of widgets,

01:17:50 ◼   ► like two sort of macro categories of widgets.

01:17:54 ◼   ► Widgets that let you glance at different types of data visualizations, so anything that can

01:18:00 ◼   ► be visualized from an app, from your step counter to the number of tasks you're supposed

01:18:08 ◼   ► to work on.

01:18:09 ◼   ► Like any kind of visualization, there's going to be one kind.

01:18:13 ◼   ► And the other kind I think is these kinds of launchers.

01:18:18 ◼   ► Launchers are back, baby.

01:18:19 ◼   ► Widgets, the latch, because that's all they can do, right?

01:18:22 ◼   ► Especially in the medium and the large configurations where you can have multiple touch targets.

01:18:28 ◼   ► We're going to have these grids or lists with buttons that take you into different places

01:18:34 ◼   ► of an app, because they cannot do anything in line, they always need to launch something.

01:18:39 ◼   ► So I was using the Dark Noise widget for example, and you can configure the widget to choose

01:18:45 ◼   ► the sounds that you want to play, and when you tap one, it opens Dark Noise and plays

01:18:50 ◼   ► that sound.

01:18:51 ◼   ► And you mentioned drafts, it's one of them, and I've been testing a bunch of other widgets

01:18:57 ◼   ► that I have a similar idea of. You configure the widget, you choose the areas of the app

01:19:03 ◼   ► that you want to open, and then you have a widget. And on the other side is the more

01:19:09 ◼   ► traditional glanceable widget. There's one that I'm using called Emoji Countdown. That

01:19:14 ◼   ► is a super basic countdown app that lets you associate an emoji with an upcoming event

01:19:20 ◼   ► in your life, like a birthday or a trip to someplace.

01:19:24 ◼   ► And then in the widget, you see a counter

01:19:28 ◼   ► for how many days are left and the emoji.

01:19:30 ◼   ► And that's all that it is.

01:19:31 ◼   ► It's nothing more than that.

01:19:33 ◼   ► Or for example, Shaheeb, I don't remember his last name,

01:19:37 ◼   ► is working on the new Twitter client, Aviary.

01:19:40 ◼   ► You may think, oh, a new Twitter client in 2020?

01:19:42 ◼   ► That's crazy.

01:19:43 ◼   ► And it is kind of wild that he's working on it,

01:19:46 ◼   ► but I believe Shaheeb's planning to integrate

01:19:49 ◼   ► with the new Twitter API. And Aviary is actually really, really interesting as a new Twitter

01:19:56 ◼   ► client because it's like a modern Twitter app that uses modern iOS and iPadOS APIs.

01:20:02 ◼   ► So multiple columns, drag and drop, shortcuts and serial integration, all that kind of stuff.

01:20:06 ◼   ► Anyway, it's working on this widget that lets you glance, lets you see the latest tweets

01:20:11 ◼   ► from your timeline. So I don't think it's possible to configure the widget right now,

01:20:16 ◼   ► And maybe, Shahid, if you're listening, consider this a feature request.

01:20:20 ◼   ► Maybe it would be nice to configure the widgets so that you can see the latest tweets from

01:20:23 ◼   ► a particular list, or maybe matching a particular search.

01:20:27 ◼   ► So I think it's clear that we're going to end up with these two primary types of widgets.

01:20:35 ◼   ► Either you launch something, so it's like a launcher, and as Myke said, launchers are

01:20:40 ◼   ► back.

01:20:41 ◼   ► They used to be a thing years ago, and now they're coming back in full fashion.

01:20:45 ◼   ► Bigger and better than ever.

01:20:47 ◼   ► Bigger and better than ever, look at that.

01:20:48 ◼   ► You can actually have a launcher that occupies the space of 16 icons.

01:20:52 ◼   ► The biggest and bestest one is shortcuts, but you can't compete with that one.

01:20:57 ◼   ► Oh my god.

01:20:58 ◼   ► The shortcuts widget.

01:21:00 ◼   ► Now the shortcuts widget has a smaller version.

01:21:03 ◼   ► So there's a small widget.

01:21:05 ◼   ► However it's not working for me.

01:21:07 ◼   ► No, not working for me.

01:21:08 ◼   ► The new small widgeting shortcut, it lets you pick a single shortcut that you want to

01:21:12 ◼   ► run from the small widget size, which in theory, great idea. However, when I tap the Choose button

01:21:19 ◼   ► to pick the shortcut, it keeps loading and loading and loading forever. I guess I probably have too

01:21:25 ◼   ► many. Anyway, I just wanted to say that I'm glad that legacy widgets are sticking around for now,

01:21:32 ◼   ► because given that these are the two types of widgets we're gonna have, I still wanna keep

01:21:38 ◼   ► using something like Timery, something like Peacock for example, because that functionality

01:21:43 ◼   ► will not be possible this year, and so I'm glad that even in Legacy mode, and even though

01:21:48 ◼   ► they will not, they will be stuck in the today view, I'm still gonna use them.

01:21:54 ◼   ► I've just replaced all of my time tracking stuff with shortcuts now.

01:21:59 ◼   ► But it's not, like the Timery widget is so good, you swipe to the side and you can see

01:22:03 ◼   ► the timer, like in real time.

01:22:06 ◼   ► That's so good.

01:22:07 ◼   ► - I know.

01:22:09 ◼   ► I am finding that I'm leaving more timers on than I used to.

01:22:13 ◼   ► - Well, you'll figure why.

01:22:15 ◼   ► - Like, oh, it's been going for like 26 hours.

01:22:20 ◼   ► - Yeah, well.

01:22:21 ◼   ► - Very productive over there.

01:22:22 ◼   ► - You know me.

01:22:23 ◼   ► - Yeah, that's the downside.

01:22:24 ◼   ► Although some widgets are really beautiful,

01:22:27 ◼   ► so it kind of compensates, you know?

01:22:29 ◼   ► - I think so.

01:22:30 ◼   ► Yeah, the designs that I'm seeing of apps that I'm using

01:22:33 ◼   ► or seeing people share, it's like they look so good.

01:22:37 ◼   ► And so it's kind of, this is kind of what I had hoped

01:22:39 ◼   ► would be the case when they showed it off that like,

01:22:41 ◼   ► yes, we'll be taking a step back in some areas,

01:22:44 ◼   ► but step forward in others and maybe at the end of it,

01:22:46 ◼   ► we'll just be happy with where they are.

01:22:48 ◼   ► Universal search has been improved in the sense

01:22:51 ◼   ► that they fixed a kind of weird bug, right Federico?

01:22:54 ◼   ► - You may think it was a bug

01:22:56 ◼   ► or it was an intentional decision that they walked back.

01:22:59 ◼   ► - I will consider it a bug because it was put up

01:23:01 ◼   ► in a very bad decision to make.

01:23:03 ◼   ► Well, okay, so the bug was, I tweeted about this last week, the issue was that when you

01:23:08 ◼   ► were searching for things in the new, they call it compact search in iOS 14, in the first

01:23:15 ◼   ► page of search results, you would only see top matches for things like app names, so

01:23:23 ◼   ► you could still use it to launch apps, but anything else that was like content or suggestions

01:23:29 ◼   ► from like Siri intelligence, like the trivia questions for example, everything else was

01:23:36 ◼   ► tucked away in a secondary page.

01:23:39 ◼   ► And I say that I'm not sure it was a bug, because it looked pretty intentional to me

01:23:43 ◼   ► in that there was a button that you needed to press to navigate into a secondary page.

01:23:49 ◼   ► It was like a whole interaction that they had built in there.

01:23:53 ◼   ► And now that interaction is completely gone from Beta 4.

01:23:57 ◼   ► So I'm not sure it was a bug when it was like an actual thing that was new and you could

01:24:03 ◼   ► use it, and now it's gone.

01:24:05 ◼   ► In any case, it's great that search has been fixed, because now when you search for something,

01:24:12 ◼   ► anything, there's a single page of results.

01:24:15 ◼   ► And sure enough, the new thing in 14 is that at the top of the search results list, whenever

01:24:21 ◼   ► you're searching for something that is not the name of a specific app on your device,

01:24:26 ◼   ► get web search suggestions, so like things to open in Google search or whatever your

01:24:31 ◼   ► search engine is, which is nice because sometimes you do want to be able to quickly launch a

01:24:36 ◼   ► web search. However, now results from other things are back in the first page, so whether

01:24:42 ◼   ► you want to open a song or play a song in music or a document in files or any content

01:24:48 ◼   ► that's been indexed by search for your application in iOS now is displayed on the first page.

01:24:55 ◼   ► And what is different, I guess, is that search is faster than 13, which it is true, and I

01:25:00 ◼   ► like it.

01:25:01 ◼   ► I can launch apps faster than before.

01:25:05 ◼   ► Web search suggestions, I think, are useful.

01:25:07 ◼   ► It's nice to be able to quickly just swipe down on the home screen, type something, and

01:25:11 ◼   ► then open a Google search.

01:25:12 ◼   ► I think that's cool.

01:25:13 ◼   ► And search results have been reorganized so that iOS 14 will try to provide you with what

01:25:22 ◼   ► it thinks is a set of top hits for you,

01:25:27 ◼   ► but if you disagree with that and you wanna see more,

01:25:30 ◼   ► in iOS 14 Beta 4, there's a new Show More Results button

01:25:35 ◼   ► that when you press it,

01:25:35 ◼   ► it doesn't take you into a second page,

01:25:38 ◼   ► it just expands in line the list of results.

01:25:42 ◼   ► So whether it was a bug or it was intentional,

01:25:44 ◼   ► I'm leaning toward the fact that it was intentional

01:25:47 ◼   ► given the functional ID that was in there,

01:25:50 ◼   ► But whatever the case, now it's back to sort of a hybrid of what it used to be and some additions in 14.

01:25:59 ◼   ► And now I really, really like it myself.

01:26:03 ◼   ► Like, now it strikes a really good balance of web searches, launching apps is faster, some results are more compact, but also all my stuff is in there anyway.

01:26:13 ◼   ► So now thumbs up.

01:26:15 ◼   ► Yeah, it's much better now.

01:26:16 ◼   ► And also new in beta 4, the exposure notification API, so the Apple and Google system for contact tracing and exposure notifications for COVID-19 is back in...

01:26:32 ◼   ► Well, it wasn't...

01:26:34 ◼   ► It wasn't in 14.

01:26:35 ◼   ► It wasn't in any previous beta, but now it's in beta 4.

01:26:39 ◼   ► And let me tell you how terrifying it is to get these notifications.

01:26:43 ◼   ► last night I was just chilling and watching Netflix.

01:26:46 ◼   ► At some point my phone lights up.

01:26:49 ◼   ► No, don't worry, I haven't been exposed.

01:26:51 ◼   ► That's what I'm getting at.

01:26:53 ◼   ► My phone lights up and it's like,

01:26:54 ◼   ► exposure notification, like, oh God, what happened?

01:26:57 ◼   ► And I look at it and the phone is like,

01:27:00 ◼   ► you were not exposed to any, it's like, come on.

01:27:04 ◼   ► - Why is it telling you?

01:27:05 ◼   ► - You sent me a notification to telling me

01:27:07 ◼   ► that I was not exposed.

01:27:08 ◼   ► - I don't understand.

01:27:09 ◼   ► - My heart skipped a beat there.

01:27:10 ◼   ► - What notified you?

01:27:12 ◼   ► The app?

01:27:13 ◼   ► The system, the system, it had the system logo of the Exposure Notification API.

01:27:19 ◼   ► Did I take a screenshot? Hold on.

01:27:21 ◼   ► It notified me to tell me that I was OK.

01:27:24 ◼   ► And like, I felt like my heart sank for like five seconds there.

01:27:30 ◼   ► Did I take a screenshot?

01:27:33 ◼   ► Yes, I did.

01:27:35 ◼   ► Weekly. OK, the title, COVID-19 Exposure Logging.

01:27:39 ◼   ► And this is the icon of the system.

01:27:43 ◼   ► "Weekly update!" And I'm like, "God!" Imagine me reading this notification, like, "Oh God,

01:27:48 ◼   ► your device did not identify any potential exposures this week."

01:27:53 ◼   ► Why is it doing that?

01:27:54 ◼   ► Why are you sending me these notifications?

01:27:56 ◼   ► Don't tell me nothing, right? Like, tell me nothing until I need to know. That's wild.

01:28:04 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:28:04 ◼   ► I hate that.

01:28:05 ◼   ► It was terrifying, and I'm sending you the screenshot now. It was absolutely terrifying

01:28:10 ◼   ► to see this logo and this notification pop up on my phone to tell me that I was okay.

01:28:15 ◼   ► Anyway, it's cool that we can now use our government issued app again in iOS 14.

01:28:22 ◼   ► What happened to the second phase?

01:28:24 ◼   ► What do you mean?

01:28:26 ◼   ► So they announced when they announced this that a second phase would be coming in the

01:28:30 ◼   ► coming months, which was that it was going to be in the operating system instead of needing

01:28:37 ◼   ► applications.

01:28:38 ◼   ► I wonder what happened.

01:28:39 ◼   ► So I'll read from the FAQ.

01:28:42 ◼   ► After the operating system update is installed

01:28:44 ◼   ► and the user has opted in, the system

01:28:45 ◼   ► will send out a list of Bluetooth beacons

01:28:47 ◼   ► as in the first phase, but without requiring

01:28:50 ◼   ► an app to be installed.

01:28:51 ◼   ► If a match is detected, the user will be notified.

01:28:54 ◼   ► And if the user is not already downloaded

01:28:56 ◼   ► in an official public health authority app,

01:28:58 ◼   ► they will be prompted to download an official app

01:29:00 ◼   ► and advised on next steps.

01:29:02 ◼   ► So this is the idea that-- so currently, you

01:29:05 ◼   ► need to download an application to be able to--

01:29:08 ◼   ► for the beacons to start looking for each other.

01:29:12 ◼   ► But then there was going to be this second part

01:29:14 ◼   ► where the operating system would just do it.

01:29:17 ◼   ► Now, my thought was that's going to be in iOS 14,

01:29:21 ◼   ► but they haven't mentioned that yet.

01:29:23 ◼   ► -I forgot there was supposed to be a phase two.

01:29:25 ◼   ► -Which is a better thing, which is, like,

01:29:27 ◼   ► that the operating system is just constantly doing it,

01:29:30 ◼   ► and then you download an application

01:29:33 ◼   ► if and when a match is detected.

01:29:35 ◼   ► -Yeah. -So here's my question to you.

01:29:38 ◼   ► That notification that you got, had you ever gotten that before?

01:29:42 ◼   ► No.

01:29:43 ◼   ► So maybe that is phase two.

01:29:45 ◼   ► Maybe.

01:29:46 ◼   ► Because...

01:29:46 ◼   ► Did I just like center this cover a major new feature?

01:29:49 ◼   ► Maybe.

01:29:50 ◼   ► And talked about it unconnected?

01:29:51 ◼   ► Maybe, because that's the system doing it.

01:29:54 ◼   ► Well, I mean, so I'm on the newest iOS 14 beta.

01:29:56 ◼   ► Tennessee, like many states here in the US, is deciding not to do it.

01:30:01 ◼   ► 9 to 5, Zach over there has been keeping up with this.

01:30:04 ◼   ► And if I go into the settings section, I saw it, yeah, exposure notifications.

01:30:11 ◼   ► And it says exposure notifications are off. If you turn them on, your public health authority

01:30:17 ◼   ► can notify you of possible exposure to COVID-19. You can turn this on by downloading their app in

01:30:23 ◼   ► the App Store. So at least in the current beta, it is not a system feature. I agree that because

01:30:29 ◼   ► I get a similar thing, right? Like I, they're off and then it tells me if I turn them on.

01:30:33 ◼   ► But Federico already has them on. I don't know, I don't know.

01:30:38 ◼   ► Yeah, it's interesting, I don't know, we gotta listen to it.

01:30:40 ◼   ► I still am waiting to see what they do with that. Like, when Apple and Google announced it,

01:30:46 ◼   ► I think they thought it was going to be met more positively than it ended up being met, right?

01:30:51 ◼   ► And I wonder if they've changed their tack on it all.

01:30:55 ◼   ► Well, you gotta account for the sad truth of a large portion of the public, both in the US

01:31:04 ◼   ► and in Italy and elsewhere. You know, having this new skepticism is a mild way to put it,

01:31:10 ◼   ► around COVID-19 and really like our official app, last time I checked, you know,

01:31:16 ◼   ► Italy has 60 million people, it was downloaded less than 2 million times. So, you know,

01:31:24 ◼   ► Unfortunately. And that's why it needs to be in the operating system, right?

01:31:28 ◼   ► Exactly. But then people need to still accept it.

01:31:32 ◼   ► Yeah, it's kind of sad, really, that... Anyway, let's talk about something else. We mentioned

01:31:38 ◼   ► the new small widget for shortcuts. Eventually I hope to get it working on my device. Now,

01:31:44 ◼   ► this next one, I was told that actually was available starting in beta 1, but we never

01:31:49 ◼   ► mentioned it and I missed that it was available. There's a new accessibility setting for pointer

01:31:55 ◼   ► control in iPadOS 14 where you can now enable, this is under Settings, Accessibility, Pointer

01:32:03 ◼   ► Control, Double Tap to Drag. So now you can choose to enable this option and you can just

01:32:10 ◼   ► double tap, then start dragging anything on screen. This applies to files, text, icons

01:32:17 ◼   ► on the home screen, instead of having to long press and hold, then drag away, you can just

01:32:23 ◼   ► quickly double tap and without letting go, after you just tap twice, you can just start

01:32:28 ◼   ► moving your finger and you will drag. I like it. It's a nice option to have. You can choose

01:32:33 ◼   ► to have Drag Lock enabled or not. I think I really like this as an option and I think

01:32:39 ◼   ► I'm going to try and use it for a while, because it does feel a lot faster than long pressing

01:32:45 ◼   ► and holding to drag away.

01:32:47 ◼   ► I think this is the same on the Mac.

01:32:50 ◼   ► This is a setting on the Mac.

01:32:52 ◼   ► On the Mac you can also three-finger drag, which I know that a lot of people have been

01:32:57 ◼   ► telling me in my mentions, like, can you also enable three-finger drag?

01:33:01 ◼   ► Unfortunately that's not possible now.

01:33:04 ◼   ► And I want to say maybe because, like, three fingers are supported on iPadOS on the Magic

01:33:10 ◼   ► keyboard for swipe gestures.

01:33:12 ◼   ► I don't know how Apple feels about a continuous drag gesture with three fingers, given that

01:33:18 ◼   ► the trackpad is kind of small.

01:33:20 ◼   ► And also, I mean, it would conflict with the system gesture for switching between apps,

01:33:25 ◼   ► right?

01:33:26 ◼   ► The three fingers horizontal swipe, I think.

01:33:29 ◼   ► So yeah, that's not possible now.

01:33:31 ◼   ► But you can enable double-tap to drag, which I think is kind of cool.

01:33:34 ◼   ► Which I guess is maybe more useful.

01:33:37 ◼   ► It doesn't conflict with anything on iOS.

01:33:39 ◼   ► at least on the Mac, the double tap will conflict with double tapping.

01:33:43 ◼   ► But there is no double tapping on iOS, so.

01:33:46 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:33:47 ◼   ► Right?

01:33:48 ◼   ► So that's actually pretty cool.

01:33:49 ◼   ► I'm trying to think, is there any double tapping on iOS?

01:33:51 ◼   ► I can't think of it.

01:33:52 ◼   ► No.

01:33:53 ◼   ► I don't think so.

01:33:54 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:33:55 ◼   ► This is so far, I will say, it's been the buggiest version for me on my iPhone.

01:33:59 ◼   ► Oh, oh no.

01:34:01 ◼   ► I'm just having a terrible time, guys.

01:34:03 ◼   ► So this morning, my alarms didn't go off to wake up.

01:34:07 ◼   ► Oh no.

01:34:08 ◼   ► that just didn't happen. And when I used my iPhone in the morning, like, everything was going super slow and sluggish.

01:34:17 ◼   ► I had to reboot my phone and it worked and I tested an alarm and the alarm did work.

01:34:21 ◼   ► So like, I think the phone just got itself into some horrible state overnight where everything was like, freezing.

01:34:28 ◼   ► So that was part one.

01:34:30 ◼   ► My cam- I'm having serious issues with the camera.

01:34:33 ◼   ► Like really big ones. So you know if you open the camera app and you switch from photo to

01:34:40 ◼   ► portrait, you know it kind of goes blurry and then...

01:34:43 ◼   ► Yes.

01:34:44 ◼   ► Right? A lot of the time I open the camera and it just keeps doing that blurry thing

01:34:52 ◼   ► over and over again like it's trying to switch mode but it's not doing it. Sometimes my camera

01:34:57 ◼   ► works, sometimes my camera doesn't work. And that's been a real issue that I've had. And

01:35:02 ◼   ► then the sharing suggestions when you share. Oh, they come back. They come back randomly.

01:35:10 ◼   ► I did nothing and now they're back again. So I'm finding like a weird set of stuff that

01:35:15 ◼   ► keeps happening to me. I keep, um, uh, I keep rebooting my phone and sometimes it makes

01:35:23 ◼   ► things better, but these are, I've not had any significant issues on any of a beta and

01:35:28 ◼   ► I have on this one. So just wanted to say this is a case of like, yeah, I know it's

01:35:31 ◼   ► a beta, and I'm just saying, because we talk about the betas here a lot, they're still

01:35:35 ◼   ► not perfect, so like, you know, be aware.

01:35:38 ◼   ► So yeah, please, I hope that the bugs continue so that this comes out later than usual.

01:35:44 ◼   ► I'm sure you want, yeah, okay.

01:35:45 ◼   ► I'm sorry, Myke.

01:35:46 ◼   ► But I really hope you run into more bugs.

01:35:50 ◼   ► Oh, that's nice, isn't it?

01:35:52 ◼   ► No, but I mean, this is bad, right?

01:35:54 ◼   ► Because it was supposed to be the opposite.

01:35:56 ◼   ► Like it was supposed to be...

01:35:58 ◼   ► Remember the report where they...

01:35:59 ◼   ► I'll say, look, it's been great, right? Like, I expect that bugs will get introduced throughout the beta process, right?

01:36:05 ◼   ► But like so far, it's been absolutely rock-solid for me, but I've just hit a few this time

01:36:11 ◼   ► Okay. Okay. Yeah, I want to say like personally for me, it's been okay. Not perfect

01:36:18 ◼   ► I'm not sure if I... and this is why I'm not writing this chapter until early September

01:36:24 ◼   ► I'm not sure if they are reaching iOS 12 level of stability, because iOS 12, I remember they

01:36:33 ◼   ► did a really good job.

01:36:35 ◼   ► Because that was one of the core features that year.

01:36:40 ◼   ► We really tried to improve the performance and we fixed a lot of bugs.

01:36:46 ◼   ► I'm not sure if 14 is up to that standard.

01:36:51 ◼   ► So yeah, it's not like, personally for me it hasn't been bad, I haven't run into like,

01:36:56 ◼   ► it's a bunch of bugs, a bunch of glitches, some surprising decisions like search, but

01:37:01 ◼   ► otherwise pretty okay. But I'm not sure I would call it as stable or as polished as

01:37:08 ◼   ► 12.

01:37:09 ◼   ► Yeah, and I'm still finding some shortcuts loading very slowly from the widget. That's

01:37:15 ◼   ► been a persistent issue that I've had.

01:37:18 ◼   ► Some of my shortcuts broke. Some of my shortcuts have empty variables now, which I noticed

01:37:24 ◼   ► because I was tapping those shortcuts and they were doing nothing, and I was like "why

01:37:27 ◼   ► are you doing nothing?" and then I went in there and sure enough the variable fields

01:37:31 ◼   ► were empty.

01:37:32 ◼   ► I've had some, not where the variables are empty, but the variables are wrong. Like they

01:37:37 ◼   ► were magic variables where it wasn't pulling in incorrect data, it just wasn't set as the

01:37:44 ◼   ► right magic variable, like something got reset and it was kind of like a, not empty but almost

01:37:50 ◼   ► like it was an empty magic variable. It said a thing but it wasn't doing the thing that

01:37:55 ◼   ► I thought it was supposed to be doing. I had to go in and edit the magic variable and then

01:37:59 ◼   ► it would fix itself. So you know, but like look, these are not complaints. These are

01:38:05 ◼   ► just, we're just talking about our experiences.

01:38:08 ◼   ► You're just filing a radar on a podcast.

01:38:10 ◼   ► or feedbacks. I'm filing a feedbacks right here. I'm sorry I don't file them.

01:38:18 ◼   ► I sometimes do when I feel very strongly about them. I haven't felt strongly about

01:38:23 ◼   ► anything. I'm seeing things that are frustrating to me and I've done it in the

01:38:26 ◼   ► past where I have really felt like something had to change and

01:38:30 ◼   ► I really believed in it. But all the things that I'm running into, it's

01:38:34 ◼   ► like they're bugs. I'm sure somebody else is experiencing them. If my

01:38:39 ◼   ► camera thing persists through to beta 5 then I will file a feedback but you know

01:38:45 ◼   ► I'm kind of like yeah I'm sure I will get fixed. But I also, look, I will say again

01:38:51 ◼   ► we talk about them. I'm talking about it. I know people at Apple listen to the show if you

01:38:57 ◼   ► work at Apple and you hear what I'm saying and it sounds really bad now you

01:39:02 ◼   ► know. We're talking about them right we're bringing attention to them and I

01:39:09 ◼   ► think, you know, sometimes when I feel very strongly about something, I would, or

01:39:13 ◼   ► maybe, and that's especially true for like very bad bugs, as you remember my

01:39:19 ◼   ► iCloud stuff last year, I actually need to collaborate with like an Apple

01:39:23 ◼   ► engineer who's like asking me for a sysdiagnose or like multiple crash

01:39:27 ◼   ► reports, you know, that kind of stuff. I obviously, I obviously want to go in

01:39:31 ◼   ► there and make sure that I file a detailed piece of feedback, but otherwise

01:39:35 ◼   ► I think it's the normal cycle of things where Apple pays attention to

01:39:41 ◼   ► folks who have an audience and talk about these new features and what they

01:39:45 ◼   ► think about the new features and the issues that they have with an audience.

01:39:49 ◼   ► So I think it's just the regular, the way things are and I think it works

01:39:55 ◼   ► pretty okay for them. Safari and Big Sur supports 4k YouTube videos. I've been

01:40:03 ◼   ► watching YouTube videos in 4k on my iPhone on my iPad for the last like

01:40:07 ◼   ► three or four weeks this is something that I came across as well as Safari and

01:40:14 ◼   ► something I've noticed 2160p like 4k it's not worth it on the iPhone like

01:40:20 ◼   ► 1440 does the job right but when I have tried it at 2160 my phone gets really

01:40:28 ◼   ► hot in one very specific place. That's the 4K chip. I know it must be the processor right,

01:40:37 ◼   ► this is where the system on the chip is, but it's almost like I can feel the little square that is

01:40:42 ◼   ► hot right like it's not like the whole thing warms up like it gets very hot in a very specific area

01:40:48 ◼   ► which is why I've ended up just setting it to 1440p but like you know watching 4k videos on

01:40:54 ◼   ► my 12.9 inch iPad, no my 11, my 12.9 is still not on the back, or my 11 inch iPad is really

01:41:01 ◼   ► nice.

01:41:02 ◼   ► Like it looks really good.

01:41:04 ◼   ► And also just watching 4K YouTube videos in a web browser is also really great.

01:41:09 ◼   ► I don't know exactly what had to happen for them to do this.

01:41:13 ◼   ► Like it seems like Apple is supporting VP9 in some way because like when I tweeted about

01:41:20 ◼   ► a few weeks ago people said go enable this setting and you can see like that

01:41:24 ◼   ► the codec that this that the MKBHD video in question that I was watching said VP9

01:41:29 ◼   ► so you know like it's interesting to me that this happened with the shipping

01:41:35 ◼   ► YouTube app on iOS 14 but if it works it works so yeah I love it I love what it

01:41:43 ◼   ► being able to watch them in better quality now yeah yeah this is one of the

01:41:48 ◼   ► reasons why I... you know this thing, this is one of those cases for me of... is it

01:41:55 ◼   ► called like the butterfly effect? Like a small thing that has like much larger

01:42:00 ◼   ► and unexpected consequences? Is it called that? Okay. Like a butterfly flaps its

01:42:05 ◼   ► wings in Asia and there's an earthquake in California or whatever. Yeah, basically that.

01:42:10 ◼   ► And also like this single thing of like Apple adopting 4k YouTube playback on

01:42:18 ◼   ► on iOS, you would say, okay, yeah, you know, it's nice, but what could possibly happen

01:42:23 ◼   ► to your life? Well, my bedroom was, well, no, we redid our bedroom because I really

01:42:30 ◼   ► wanted to have a Mac mini because I really wanted to have a desk in a particular location

01:42:35 ◼   ► because the Mac mini, among other things, would also run YouTube DL to download 4k content

01:42:42 ◼   ► from YouTube and allow me to watch 4k stuff on YouTube. Now, of course, there are other

01:42:46 ◼   ► reasons why I needed to get a new Mac and why I decided to get a Mac Mini. At the time

01:42:53 ◼   ► it was the best option for me. However, now I'm thinking, well, one of the big reasons

01:42:59 ◼   ► why this Mac Mini is always on during the day is because I use it to download 4K stuff

01:43:07 ◼   ► because I want to watch 4K stuff on my iPad Pro.

01:43:11 ◼   ► And how are you watching those videos?

01:43:14 ◼   ► I just put them in Plex. I download them and put them in.

01:43:19 ◼   ► But now, like, the Mac Mini I'm using a few times a week to record shows, but as a server,

01:43:27 ◼   ► I don't have them, like, I don't have a lot of things in Homebridge anymore, and I'm not

01:43:32 ◼   ► gonna use YouTube DL anymore. So, like, I'm thinking is the Mac Mini still the best option

01:43:39 ◼   ► for me?

01:43:40 ◼   ► I'm so pleased you've said this because I had something that I've not wanted to admit for a while and now I can admit it safely

01:43:47 ◼   ► So I also bought a Mac mini to do home server things, right? I never did any of them

01:43:53 ◼   ► That that Mac mini its purpose was so I could

01:44:00 ◼   ► Sometimes use like eva Luna display or screens on my iPad to do something on a Mac that I couldn't do on iOS

01:44:09 ◼   ► I'm really pleased I bought that Mac Mini because it's now the machine that I'm using here at Mega Studio because

01:44:14 ◼   ► You know my whole setup can't be put into place the way that I wanted but I had like

01:44:20 ◼   ► Aspirations of a Mac Mini home server lifestyle that just never came to fruition

01:44:26 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, so now I did use it as a server

01:44:31 ◼   ► I mean I did use it for sure like I really used YouTube DL

01:44:34 ◼   ► I had all of those dreams, right? That I was gonna do all that, I was gonna set up Homebridge,

01:44:39 ◼   ► and I just never, I just was too lazy, I never did any of it.

01:44:43 ◼   ► Yeah, that doesn't really surprise me. You don't strike me as the server type of guy.

01:44:46 ◼   ► But I did, I did use it, and now I don't anymore, and I'm like, okay, is this still the best computer for me?

01:44:55 ◼   ► And because of this, do I still need it? Like, yeah, I still need a desk and I still need a display,

01:45:00 ◼   ► but like I don't know I don't know right I could be any other Mac at this point

01:45:04 ◼   ► and I like the Mac Mini but you know. But are you thinking about getting a laptop

01:45:09 ◼   ► like what are you? I don't know should I? I have no idea like should I get a

01:45:16 ◼   ► laptop no I shouldn't get a laptop. Not now. Not now but like when the so okay

01:45:22 ◼   ► when the first Apple Silicon Macs come out should I reconsider? When is the

01:45:27 ◼   ► first Apple Silicon Macs come out you should get one anyway. Because it's gonna be so

01:45:32 ◼   ► interesting and weird and like iOS apps running on the Mac maybe you move back to the Mac.

01:45:36 ◼   ► Yeah see yeah imagine that. Look serious for serious for realsies right now like for realsies

01:45:46 ◼   ► there is a non-zero chance that if that experience is good I may move back to the Mac. Wow that's

01:45:53 ◼   ► That's a big statement for the end of the show.

01:45:55 ◼   ► That experience has to be very good, but I would just say I'm spending more time in front

01:46:00 ◼   ► of a Mac again because of the studio.

01:46:04 ◼   ► When I'm here, and this may change, right?

01:46:07 ◼   ► It's just because the...

01:46:08 ◼   ► If you may remember, maybe you didn't know, in my studio that I'm in now, I have two desks.

01:46:13 ◼   ► One is my recording desk and one will be my work desk.

01:46:17 ◼   ► My work desk will be set up with a permanent iPad station and a permanent Mac station,

01:46:22 ◼   ► I'm not using that desk right now because I can't bring the equipment here that I wanted

01:46:27 ◼   ► to like my iMac Pro or whatever.

01:46:30 ◼   ► So when I'm at the studio, I'm only sitting at one desk, which is a much smaller desk,

01:46:35 ◼   ► which I just have a Mac on and it doesn't really have the space that I would want to

01:46:39 ◼   ► comfortably be able to use an iPad on as well because I've got like a keyboard here and

01:46:44 ◼   ► a Wacom tablet and like all the stuff that I need when I'm doing Mac based work, right?

01:46:49 ◼   ► So when I'm at the studio and I'm here for like three days a week now, most weeks at

01:46:54 ◼   ► least, and I'm here for like eight hours a day, I'm pretty much just working on the Mac

01:46:59 ◼   ► for most of that time.

01:47:00 ◼   ► I don't prefer it, but it's just the situation that I'm in.

01:47:06 ◼   ► I did, I will say today, when I wanted to do the show notes for this show, I went and

01:47:11 ◼   ► sat on a chair that I have here and did them on my iPad because that workflow is way better

01:47:16 ◼   ► for me to do on iOS. It just sucks on the Mac, the way that I like to do things. But

01:47:23 ◼   ► if I can get all of my iOS apps the way that I want them and it works really well, I don't

01:47:30 ◼   ► know. All I'm saying is the jury is out on that one. But to go back to the point at hand,

01:47:37 ◼   ► I think it would be really useful for you to be able to understand what that experience

01:47:43 ◼   ► is like Federica? I don't think you're wrong, especially because now I feel less attached

01:47:48 ◼   ► to this Mac Mini on a daily basis. Like I've gone, since I started using iOS 14,

01:47:55 ◼   ► I've gone more, and since I really decreased my usage of Homebridge, I've gone multiple days when

01:48:02 ◼   ► I was not recording any show, I quit the Mac Mini, it was just off, turned off all day, like for

01:48:09 ◼   ► multiple consecutive days. I don't know, you know, I'm thinking about it.

01:48:13 ◼   ► Federico though, so pros and cons, getting rid of the Mac Mini, you could get rid of the,

01:48:18 ◼   ► would you get rid of the display, the LG 4K? See, I don't know, because I kind of like it

01:48:23 ◼   ► as a display, but it's also kind of ugly. It is. I never fully appreciate it, and I know that I

01:48:29 ◼   ► I would like to have something that I can use with the iPad Pro, because I...

01:48:33 ◼   ► I really love my Dell display that I have by the way

01:48:36 ◼   ► Like it's a very it's a nice looking display

01:48:40 ◼   ► I just wanted to say that for the for just for the point saying it. I have no complaints about my Dell display

01:48:46 ◼   ► I would say if you're gonna get rid of the the external display

01:48:50 ◼   ► Yeah, like a notebook would be nice to be smaller wouldn't it be like this whole setup in your bedroom, right?

01:48:55 ◼   ► It would just be a computer you could put in a drawer when you're not using it Mac minis are quiet

01:49:00 ◼   ► laptops aren't always quiet, but hopefully the Apple Silicon ones won't that won't be a that big of a deal

01:49:06 ◼   ► You know worry about fan noise when you record in a hot room, but it's not like you'd be going to a 16 inch

01:49:12 ◼   ► MacBook Pro I mean the thing is can get can get loud so that would be my one concern is noise

01:49:18 ◼   ► but if you're gonna keep the

01:49:21 ◼   ► display anyways, I don't see why you would need to

01:49:24 ◼   ► replace the Mac Mini

01:49:27 ◼   ► outright

01:49:29 ◼   ► with the caveat of

01:49:31 ◼   ► You should totally have an R Mac when they come out because you need to cover iOS apps on the Mac

01:49:37 ◼   ► Okay, okay. Wow. I cannot believe that there's a good chance that I may be purchasing a Mac in 2020 Wow

01:49:44 ◼   ► Huh? Oh, well just keep tabs on that. So, okay

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01:50:17 ◼   ► K e Myke hosts a bunch of shows here in relay FM Myke name a show you host

01:50:21 ◼   ► The test drivers you say that you've said that three weeks in a row darn it

01:50:26 ◼   ► I don't know then. It's your newest one, so it's just on your mind. Yeah, and what else do I host?

01:50:33 ◼   ► Cortex? I feel like I'm catching you off guard every time I ask you that. I've been doing it for a month now.

01:50:37 ◼   ► Yeah, I feel like I should be prepared, right? Or I should make a shortcut

01:50:42 ◼   ► that does a random...

01:50:45 ◼   ► Oh, random podcast. Yeah, that's good.

01:50:47 ◼   ► Well, it's not truly a random generator. You're not making up new podcast names. It's just choosing from a dictionary.

01:50:53 ◼   ► But doing it at random at random

01:50:55 ◼   ► You can find Federico on Twitter as Vitichi v. ITI CCI and he is the editor-in-chief of max stories net

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