Connected

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00:00:07 ◼   ► Hello and welcome to Connected, Episode 299.

00:00:12 ◼   ► It is made possible by our sponsors, StoryWorth, Pingdom, and Squarespace.

00:00:16 ◼   ► My name is Steven Hackett and I am joined by Mr. Myke Hurley.

00:00:20 ◼   ► Oh man, I just realized Federico's gonna get the first introduction because it's

00:00:24 ◼   ► episode 300. Next week he's gonna get the good introduction. He gets to like

00:00:28 ◼   ► doing a victory lap and all that stuff it's like gonna be like a whole thing. Hi. He gets the

00:00:35 ◼   ► hundreds and the 50s but you get the 25s and 75s. Oh the ones people really care about. Yeah the

00:00:40 ◼   ► winter olympics of podcast naming. Yep also you're conceding that the winter olympics sucks and that

00:00:46 ◼   ► summer olympics is great. The best ones and I'm saying you're out ahead. We had this big argument

00:00:49 ◼   ► Federico about if the winter olympics were real olympics or not. What do you think? It's not about

00:00:54 ◼   ► them being real Olympics it's just that like when people talk about the Olympics what do they mean?

00:01:00 ◼   ► what does that mean? they mean the Olympics that happen in the summer not the Olympics that happen

00:01:05 ◼   ► in the winter oh no those are like the fake Olympics because you have the Olympics and then

00:01:11 ◼   ► the winter Olympics nobody calls the Olympics the summer Olympics that doesn't happen no exactly you

00:01:17 ◼   ► have the Olympics and then like the addendum like the DLC of the Olympics which are the winter

00:01:22 ◼   ► Olympics. That's basically what it is.

00:01:30 ◼   ► That's very true. Yeah, see that's how it works. I'm sorry Steven. So this is all regarding

00:01:37 ◼   ► an episode of "Ungenious". "Ungenious" is a show that me and Steven do about weird and

00:01:40 ◼   ► wonderful things we find on Wikipedia. And basically Federico, Steven's... I will never

00:01:46 ◼   ► understand this. I don't think he'll ever be able to explain it to me in a way that

00:01:49 ◼   ► I'll understand it. Stephen likes the winter Olympics more because he can do some of the

00:01:53 ◼   ► things that are in the summer Olympics. What does that even mean? It means nothing.

00:01:58 ◼   ► I don't get it. Like I don't get this entire argument. So Stephen, you prefer, you prefer

00:02:05 ◼   ► the winter Olympics? Yes, because, because, because it's more exciting to me. I can run

00:02:12 ◼   ► around in circles and play basketball. I cannot ski down the mountain. You cannot run like

00:02:16 ◼   ► an Olympic athlete. But I can run around, I can't do anything on skis. What does that mean? Oh well,

00:02:21 ◼   ► if you really try you can also run down the cliff of a mountain. Doesn't make you a skier though.

00:02:26 ◼   ► Yeah exactly. Like I don't get it. It's not because you have fancy like biking equipment

00:02:34 ◼   ► and those little, you know, those tight biking pants and whatnot. That's a really good question

00:02:41 ◼   ► that I've never thought to ask before. So in case you don't know, Steven bikes a lot,

00:02:46 ◼   ► he loves to bike. Do you have like, light crop biking shorts? I think he shorts that.

00:02:52 ◼   ► Of course I do. He does. Do you do? Yeah. It totally does. Alright, I'm gonna text Mary,

00:02:56 ◼   ► I need a picture of you in these. But just because you dress up like an athlete doesn't

00:03:00 ◼   ► make you an Olympic athlete. That's very true. That's very true. I'm just saying.

00:03:04 ◼   ► Man, I need to see a picture of you in your bike shorts. That's very specific and troublesome.

00:03:10 ◼   ► No, I need it. I'm gonna text your wife.

00:03:12 ◼   ► Uh, we're also joined by Federico Vittucci. Hi Federico!

00:03:16 ◼   ► Hello! Finally I was waiting for my intro.

00:03:18 ◼   ► Thank you, appreciate it.

00:03:20 ◼   ► Oh, the Japes.

00:03:21 ◼   ► Also here.

00:03:22 ◼   ► Yes.

00:03:23 ◼   ► I'm in a different house.

00:03:25 ◼   ► I don't know if it comes through with the audio, but I'm at the beach house, so...

00:03:29 ◼   ► Look at you.

00:03:29 ◼   ► I'm also wearing shorts.

00:03:32 ◼   ► Imagine being in another place to the place that you have to be.

00:03:35 ◼   ► Imagine such a thing.

00:03:36 ◼   ► Yeah, imagine that. Imagine that.

00:03:39 ◼   ► I think I know what the noise is.

00:03:41 ◼   ► Okay.

00:03:41 ◼   ► There's a clock. I'm staring at a clock.

00:03:44 ◼   ► Oh my god, that's gonna be throughout the entire show.

00:03:46 ◼   ► My parents have a physical clock up on a wall.

00:03:51 ◼   ► Oh my god.

00:03:51 ◼   ► And I just noticed that this clock exists.

00:03:54 ◼   ► Well now that you've explained it, I don't have to edit it out.

00:03:57 ◼   ► I will remove it.

00:03:58 ◼   ► However, it's up there.

00:04:01 ◼   ► It's above a cabinet and I don't want to hurt myself.

00:04:04 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:04:04 ◼   ► So I don't I really don't want to get up on this piece of furniture

00:04:09 ◼   ► I'm sorry, but my parents are old people and they have like a clock like an actual clock on a wall. I have that in my house

00:04:16 ◼   ► Why? Can you know what time it is?

00:04:19 ◼   ► Your watch and phone like who uses clocks. Oh god

00:04:26 ◼   ► Why do they have a clock? I'm staring at it's so creepy

00:04:30 ◼   ► Like, what would you have a clock with numbers and, like, hands that move?

00:04:34 ◼   ► This is a very peculiar opinion that you're holding now.

00:04:37 ◼   ► Yeah. Lots of people have clocks.

00:04:39 ◼   ► Clocks are... It's weird because nobody needs them anymore.

00:04:41 ◼   ► We all have phones and watches.

00:04:45 ◼   ► Yeah. Which, if you think about it, are just little clocks.

00:04:47 ◼   ► Literally anybody has a phone that tells the time.

00:04:50 ◼   ► Like, and especially why would you buy one that makes a little noise?

00:04:55 ◼   ► Like, I don't get it. Buy a digital one that is silent.

00:04:59 ◼   ► For it to make an audible noise is a peculiar choice.

00:05:03 ◼   ► But maybe they've had that clock for longer than they've had you.

00:05:06 ◼   ► I'm so sorry, this is my parents' house.

00:05:08 ◼   ► I am not responsible for the purchasing of the clock.

00:05:11 ◼   ► No, we know that.

00:05:13 ◼   ► Well, today is a big day.

00:05:15 ◼   ► We will be making our picks for WWDC 2020,

00:05:19 ◼   ► including regular picks, Ricky's, and the newest type of pick

00:05:24 ◼   ► called the Flexys, which are non-graded.

00:05:27 ◼   ► I don't remember why they're called that.

00:05:29 ◼   ► Can anyone remind me why they're called the flexies?

00:05:31 ◼   ► - Because those are for bragging rights.

00:05:35 ◼   ► And so like it's a flex.

00:05:36 ◼   ► And so that later, if you get those right,

00:05:38 ◼   ► you can flex with people.

00:05:39 ◼   ► - Oh, all right.

00:05:40 ◼   ► I was gonna say why they're not called the braggies,

00:05:42 ◼   ► but now I get it 'cause you're flexing.

00:05:43 ◼   ► Thank you very much.

00:05:44 ◼   ► - Yeah, you're flexing. - Yeah, mm-hmm.

00:05:46 ◼   ► - But before we get there,

00:05:47 ◼   ► we have a couple of other things we needed to take care of.

00:05:50 ◼   ► We have some very important follow-up

00:05:51 ◼   ► about the ceiling fan that I bought.

00:05:53 ◼   ► - No, why is that?

00:05:55 ◼   ► Why, I saw, why?

00:05:58 ◼   ► So you could have just said follow up or you could have just said important follow up.

00:06:02 ◼   ► You had to go all the way to very important follow up.

00:06:06 ◼   ► You would be shocked at how many people sent me notes about the ceiling fan that I bought

00:06:10 ◼   ► and why I chose that one.

00:06:12 ◼   ► You could have replied to every single one of these people with a link in less time and

00:06:18 ◼   ► it's going to take us to get through this item of follow up.

00:06:22 ◼   ► Especially if you guys keep complaining about it.

00:06:23 ◼   ► Like let me just do it.

00:06:24 ◼   ► This is part of the point.

00:06:26 ◼   ► I installed the Hunter Newsome 42 inch indoor low profile

00:06:32 ◼   ► brushed nickel ceiling fan with light kit bundled with handheld remote control.

00:06:36 ◼   ► Oh, you didn't want to go for the high profile?

00:06:38 ◼   ► No, because it's only eight and a half foot ceilings in this room.

00:06:43 ◼   ► And I wanted it snug against the ceiling so it wasn't like too intrusive.

00:06:46 ◼   ► Do you love your family or is that not the case?

00:06:49 ◼   ► What do you mean?

00:06:50 ◼   ► Just the hype. You know, everybody knows that the high profile.

00:06:53 ◼   ► No, that means it hangs down lower into the room.

00:06:56 ◼   ► Low profile means it's like snug against the ceiling.

00:06:58 ◼   ► I have no idea what I'm talking about.

00:07:00 ◼   ► I do not understand the words that I'm saying.

00:07:02 ◼   ► I'm trying to fansplain you here.

00:07:04 ◼   ► Let me fansplain you.

00:07:05 ◼   ► Haha, there you go.

00:07:06 ◼   ► This whole thing was worth it for fansplaining.

00:07:09 ◼   ► So anyways, there's a link to it in the show notes.

00:07:12 ◼   ► Bill has tweeted at the show with something completely wonderful.

00:07:16 ◼   ► Let me just read this.

00:07:17 ◼   ► So this is from Bill on Twitter.

00:07:20 ◼   ► So random story, I listened to last year's show where you coined the rookies at an unsanitary

00:07:27 ◼   ► hostel in western Tibet and he took a picture.

00:07:31 ◼   ► Say the name of the mountain, Steven.

00:07:34 ◼   ► Mount Kalash.

00:07:35 ◼   ► I don't know if you're right, but I know that you immediately stopped when you saw that

00:07:41 ◼   ► there was a word.

00:07:42 ◼   ► I did.

00:07:43 ◼   ► Yeah, that's what I do.

00:07:44 ◼   ► Later, they took out they walked out took a photo using a tripod and it is a beautiful photo

00:07:50 ◼   ► Oh, yeah, and it's and it really was it's one of those things of like it was really kind of cool to hear like how

00:07:55 ◼   ► Far our show reaches a bill. Thank you for this tweet. It's an amazing photo. Like go check it out

00:07:59 ◼   ► Yeah, I'm sure this was not taken with an iPhone 10s

00:08:03 ◼   ► No, yeah, I this is like Mac OS wallpaper level photography here, right?

00:08:11 ◼   ► Yes, it I had that same thought and we'll put his smug mug page on

00:08:15 ◼   ► In the show notes, you can go see his other work. I spent some time there. It's all beautiful

00:08:20 ◼   ► Didn't flicker get bought by them. Yes

00:08:28 ◼   ► It's the sound the Pokemon would make yeah, it's smug mug that is also the name of a Pokemon. It's the Pokemon

00:08:40 ◼   ► If you post a picture for an insect, it's a smug mug bug smug bug

00:08:44 ◼   ► Smug as a rug in a bug

00:08:51 ◼   ► Thank you bill it's an amazing photo we appreciate it

00:08:56 ◼   ► Nigel wrote in saying that he didn't understand why the arm transition was such a big deal because apples had arm laptops way back in

00:09:05 ◼   ► 197 with a picture of an email 300 when I was in school. I don't know. Maybe I was like

00:09:11 ◼   ► 14 or 15 I sprained my wrist

00:09:14 ◼   ► From a rollerblading incident because wait, wait information on that please right there were this is it

00:09:20 ◼   ► I tried rollerblading fell over badly sprained my wrist stopped rollerblading

00:09:25 ◼   ► and

00:09:27 ◼   ► They gave me an email to use in school in class like the school that they gave me one of these to type with instead of

00:09:34 ◼   ► writing because I hurt my left wrist. How have we not heard this story before? Why

00:09:40 ◼   ► are you just sharing this story? I'm very sure I've told it somewhere. I'm almost

00:09:44 ◼   ► convinced. A rollerblading incident and they give you an email. See this is the thing. I

00:09:51 ◼   ► know I never said the rollerblading part before but the kids all do rollerblading

00:09:56 ◼   ► now so I wanted to seem seem cool. Alright so we have a huge announcement.

00:10:01 ◼   ► Myke, do you want to walk us through this?

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00:15:55 ◼   ► Japsters. That's a good word.

00:15:57 ◼   ► It's a good word.

00:15:58 ◼   ► - The James does.

00:16:00 ◼   ► - We have a tiny topic.

00:16:02 ◼   ► Most years Apple does something before WWDC.

00:16:05 ◼   ► Remember a few years ago it was

00:16:08 ◼   ► doing the App Store changes.

00:16:11 ◼   ► Remember that, like the subscription changes

00:16:13 ◼   ► and they've done various things.

00:16:14 ◼   ► But this year so far it seems to be about hardware.

00:16:18 ◼   ► So there's a new high-end GPU,

00:16:21 ◼   ► the AMD Radeon Pro 5600M for the 16-inch MacBook Pro.

00:16:26 ◼   ► costs cost an extra 700 bucks, but it's got eight gigabytes of HBM to memory. This is

00:16:33 ◼   ► a screen This is like a bananas GPU for a MacBook Pro, and something like 75% faster

00:16:40 ◼   ► than the next highest configuration. So way on the high end. And for the Mac Pro, user

00:16:46 ◼   ► installable SSD modules, they come in pairs because they're rated and they talk to the

00:16:50 ◼   ► T2 and all that stuff. One to eight terabyte kits, the eight terabyte kit will run you

00:16:56 ◼   ► $2800 and I've got a link in the show notes to the description of how you install them.

00:17:03 ◼   ► You need another Mac, a USB-C cable, and Apple configurator because you have to repair them

00:17:10 ◼   ► with the T2. It seems like a real complicated deal.

00:17:15 ◼   ► I expect you're very excited.

00:17:17 ◼   ► Like, do you want one of the SSD things?

00:17:19 ◼   ► Is this a thing in, I mean, obviously not eight terabytes, but like,

00:17:22 ◼   ► do you need more? What did you get? I don't remember.

00:17:25 ◼   ► I've got a four terabyte drive in my now as my boot drive

00:17:29 ◼   ► and then have a four terabyte archive drive,

00:17:32 ◼   ► which is just old projects like old videos and stuff out of my boot drive.

00:17:36 ◼   ► I have one point four terabytes free, but on my archive drive,

00:17:40 ◼   ► I only have 700 gigs free.

00:17:41 ◼   ► And so I got to do something with my archive drive here before too long.

00:17:44 ◼   ► So we'll see.

00:17:46 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:17:47 ◼   ► - We'll see.

00:17:48 ◼   ► 2800 bucks is really expensive.

00:17:50 ◼   ► It's even a premium over something like the max sales.

00:17:53 ◼   ► The OWC folks, they have a card that goes into PCI slot

00:17:58 ◼   ► and has a bunch of those little like M.2 SSDs.

00:18:01 ◼   ► And this is a premium even over that,

00:18:04 ◼   ► but it's Apple and it would be covered

00:18:06 ◼   ► under your Apple care if you do it.

00:18:07 ◼   ► And so there are some benefits to this

00:18:09 ◼   ► over third party solutions,

00:18:11 ◼   ► but you can definitely make your money go further

00:18:14 ◼   ► by doing something besides this.

00:18:17 ◼   ► So anyways, Mac Pro stuff.

00:18:20 ◼   ► So I don't think we're gonna see much in terms

00:18:22 ◼   ► of Pro hardware this year.

00:18:25 ◼   ► Maybe the iMac Pro, but it seems like they're trying

00:18:27 ◼   ► to clear some of this stuff out, like they do most years

00:18:31 ◼   ► before the conference starts on Monday.

00:18:33 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's little bits and bobs, right?

00:18:34 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:18:35 ◼   ► - Not that this would have found its way into the keynote,

00:18:38 ◼   ► I'm sure, but-- - No, but Apple used to do,

00:18:41 ◼   ► what they used to do is they'd have the keynote

00:18:43 ◼   ► and then all this other stuff would happen on the same day

00:18:45 ◼   ► and they get lost in the news cycle.

00:18:47 ◼   ► And so I think now they're trying to have it where

00:18:51 ◼   ► this stuff gets its own couple of days before the conference

00:18:53 ◼   ► it doesn't get buried by everything else.

00:18:55 ◼   ► I think it's smart.

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00:20:22 ◼   ► It's time.

00:20:23 ◼   ► You guys ready to lose?

00:20:25 ◼   ► Wow.

00:20:26 ◼   ► So that's how you're leading. You think you're going to win.

00:20:30 ◼   ► Yeah, I'm going to clear up the whole year. I'm winning this.

00:20:32 ◼   ► I'm going to win the annual picks and I guess I'll just pick up the Septembers as well.

00:20:37 ◼   ► Look, I don't hold any of the Twitter accounts.

00:20:41 ◼   ► Your confidence is very cute.

00:20:43 ◼   ► I don't hold any of the Twitter accounts.

00:20:46 ◼   ► I'm taking them.

00:20:47 ◼   ► I'm taking them.

00:20:48 ◼   ► Let's go through the rules real quick for people who may not remember how this works

00:20:53 ◼   ► and to remind ourselves because these are complicated.

00:20:57 ◼   ► So the order is set by the winner of the previous event predictions.

00:21:01 ◼   ► That order this time is me, then Myke, then Federico.

00:21:05 ◼   ► To earn any points everything written down in the prediction document must come true.

00:21:10 ◼   ► No half points may be awarded in any round.

00:21:14 ◼   ► One point is awarded for any pick deemed correct in the first two rounds and picks cannot be

00:21:19 ◼   ► reused.

00:21:20 ◼   ► Two points will be awarded for the correct picks in the risky pick round known as the

00:21:25 ◼   ► Ricky's.

00:21:27 ◼   ► If your risky pick is wrong, you will lose a point and critically the other two hosts

00:21:32 ◼   ► must agree that your pick is deemed risky enough.

00:21:36 ◼   ► So we usually do that over iMessage before we made it on the show today.

00:21:40 ◼   ► We have the final round called the flexies.

00:21:43 ◼   ► These are non graded picks.

00:21:44 ◼   ► The loser of the flexy picks must buy drinks for the other two hosts.

00:21:49 ◼   ► Well how can we buy drinks remotely?

00:21:52 ◼   ► Drinks have never been purchased.

00:21:53 ◼   ► I just want to say we've had this as a rule for a while.

00:21:56 ◼   ► Nobody's ever bought drinks for anyone.

00:21:58 ◼   ► But I guess if someone's thirsty.

00:22:01 ◼   ► Mm-hmm and as a reminder there are annual chairman and keynote chairman Twitter accounts

00:22:08 ◼   ► Federico holds the annual chairman account because he won the annual picks last year

00:22:13 ◼   ► I am the current holder of the keynote chairman Twitter account because I won the last regular event

00:22:19 ◼   ► picks

00:22:20 ◼   ► But my handle is on the line today or next week. I should say so I could lose this to either one of you

00:22:27 ◼   ► Yeah, I'm gonna have both and you cannot use both of them, I guess

00:22:31 ◼   ► Why? Because you've never used, you've never tweeted from the annual chairman

00:22:35 ◼   ► account. I'm just waiting for the right moment. What is this moment? When you

00:22:41 ◼   ► least expect it, you will open Twitter and see a tweet from the annual chairman

00:22:45 ◼   ► account and the keynote chairman account and be like "oh these tweets they came at

00:22:49 ◼   ► the perfectly appropriate time." Right, you have like one tweet that's gonna be

00:22:52 ◼   ► splitting off. They sneak up on you when you least expect it and they, you know,

00:22:56 ◼   ► append your expectations completely as to what you can get from your Twitter

00:23:01 ◼   ► experience. Okay. Wow. I then just go out the first day and tweet like Steven did

00:23:06 ◼   ► you know "oh yeah I'm the keynote chairman" no I wait patiently by the side of the river

00:23:12 ◼   ► I bide my time. For the right words to flow by and then I will issue my tweet. Then you'll

00:23:19 ◼   ► strike. Yeah let's do this let's pretend that this is actually gonna be a

00:23:23 ◼   ► competition and just you know do this because we all know who's gonna win so. Yes the

00:23:29 ◼   ► The year of Steven will continue for its 27th consecutive year.

00:23:33 ◼   ► I guess it's the 34th consecutive year because I'm 34.

00:23:37 ◼   ► Round one, my pick.

00:23:39 ◼   ► The transition to Arm is announced for the Macintosh.

00:23:42 ◼   ► It's not called the Macintosh, so you already got this wrong.

00:23:45 ◼   ► It's not called the Macintosh anymore.

00:23:47 ◼   ► So for the Mac.

00:23:49 ◼   ► Everything in the...

00:23:51 ◼   ► Oh, Federico.

00:23:52 ◼   ► Should I remind you to earn any points, everything written down in the prediction document must

00:23:57 ◼   ► come true.

00:23:58 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:24:00 ◼   ► - That was written down in the prediction document.

00:24:03 ◼   ► - Yep, you wrote the rules.

00:24:05 ◼   ► - That's not true.

00:24:07 ◼   ► - Sure you did.

00:24:07 ◼   ► - I read them.

00:24:08 ◼   ► I read them, I didn't write, we wrote them together.

00:24:10 ◼   ► - You wrote it down yourself, old man.

00:24:13 ◼   ► The Macintosh prediction from the 80s.

00:24:17 ◼   ► - Transition to ARM, feels like it's the year.

00:24:21 ◼   ► I will say, so if we scroll down

00:24:24 ◼   ► the bottom of the document, in my annual predictions,

00:24:28 ◼   ► - Yep.

00:24:29 ◼   ► - I have a--

00:24:31 ◼   ► - You have a Flexi.

00:24:33 ◼   ► - I have a Flexi that says,

00:24:35 ◼   ► Apple does not ship the first ARM Mac in 2020.

00:24:39 ◼   ► So if you combine these, it will be announced,

00:24:43 ◼   ► but the first ARM Mac won't ship this year.

00:24:46 ◼   ► - So I have a question about this.

00:24:49 ◼   ► This is a Flexi, so it's not important,

00:24:50 ◼   ► but I was looking at these the other day.

00:24:52 ◼   ► - But we're gonna do it anyways.

00:24:54 ◼   ► - If there was a transition kit,

00:24:57 ◼   ► Would that count as shipping?

00:24:58 ◼   ► Mm-mm.

00:24:59 ◼   ► It's not a product.

00:25:00 ◼   ► It's a transition kit.

00:25:01 ◼   ► You didn't say it had to be a product.

00:25:03 ◼   ► Well, it's a Flexy, so does it matter, so I can be right.

00:25:05 ◼   ► Right.

00:25:06 ◼   ► We'll deal with that when we get there, son.

00:25:09 ◼   ► Okay, okay.

00:25:10 ◼   ► I guess it is kind of pointless arguing it today.

00:25:13 ◼   ► We can maybe argue it next week.

00:25:16 ◼   ► Because we can argue it next week and at the end of the year.

00:25:21 ◼   ► So your prediction is the transition to ARM is announced for the Mac.

00:25:26 ◼   ► Now, do they need to call it ARM for the prediction to be correct?

00:25:32 ◼   ► No, it's transition to...

00:25:35 ◼   ► A different chip architecture.

00:25:37 ◼   ► Well, I feel like this would be my advice to you as a fellow winner of previous predictions.

00:25:45 ◼   ► Yes, we're both winners.

00:25:46 ◼   ► I have won lots of them, there were just no Twitter accounts.

00:25:50 ◼   ► Winner to...

00:25:51 ◼   ► Yeah, nobody remembers those, Myke.

00:25:53 ◼   ► Winner to winner, Steven.

00:25:54 ◼   ► I think you need to make this as...

00:25:55 ◼   ► I won like three in a row.

00:25:57 ◼   ► Yeah, nobody cares about that.

00:25:59 ◼   ► So as a...

00:26:02 ◼   ► I think you need to generalize this as much as possible

00:26:05 ◼   ► because then I can imagine our friend Myke Hurley saying,

00:26:07 ◼   ► "Oh, but it didn't announce a transition to ARM.

00:26:09 ◼   ► It's a transition to, you know, whatever the system

00:26:12 ◼   ► is going to be called, Apple, CPU."

00:26:14 ◼   ► You started this by saying it's not called the Macintosh.

00:26:17 ◼   ► I was just pointing out facts.

00:26:19 ◼   ► Here, instead, I'm trying to imagine a future

00:26:23 ◼   ► where this conversation may be held.

00:26:25 ◼   ► A CPU transition is announced for the Mac.

00:26:28 ◼   ► Perfect! There you go.

00:26:31 ◼   ► We're switching to AMD!

00:26:32 ◼   ► You never know!

00:26:35 ◼   ► Threadripper's for everybody.

00:26:37 ◼   ► You never know.

00:26:38 ◼   ► I'd like a Threadripper and a Mac Pro. Apple.

00:26:40 ◼   ► Threadripper!

00:26:41 ◼   ► Okay.

00:26:42 ◼   ► All right, so that's mine. I feel pretty good about that.

00:26:46 ◼   ► Michael, you're up next.

00:26:47 ◼   ► The iPad home screen gets new features.

00:26:51 ◼   ► That's pretty broad, but it's not a Ricky.

00:26:54 ◼   ► Okay, that's the prediction. So new features.

00:26:58 ◼   ► Right, you see, I very purposefully gave that a very broad prediction.

00:27:04 ◼   ► I've learned.

00:27:04 ◼   ► Yeah, you're learning.

00:27:05 ◼   ► Specificity is the murder of the Ricky's.

00:27:07 ◼   ► And again, I won so many times. There was just no...

00:27:11 ◼   ► I won like three in a row, remember?

00:27:15 ◼   ► I won like...

00:27:15 ◼   ► No one cares who won in 2016.

00:27:17 ◼   ► Yeah, and you want you want like this with these broad predictions that are not fun

00:27:22 ◼   ► I know that we have the Rickeys, but you should you know, give it a bit of flavor

00:27:26 ◼   ► Give it a bit of a no, you know, no one can make me no one can make me change my labor less prediction

00:27:32 ◼   ► Yeah, it's yeah. Okay, cool. So

00:27:34 ◼   ► Just to clarify what if the only change that we get is they move the clock. Is that a home screen feature? No

00:27:42 ◼   ► Okay, it's got to be something that didn't exist before

00:27:47 ◼   ► So like moving the clock there was always a clock, okay

00:27:50 ◼   ► so this is not in the pick, but what I'm talking about here is like

00:27:54 ◼   ► widgets or you can now rearrange your icons however you like or

00:28:00 ◼   ► There's documents on the desktop now that kind of stuff. Okay, so a new feature

00:28:05 ◼   ► Yeah, not a reshuffling of existing features exactly has to be stuff that we didn't have before

00:28:13 ◼   ► How minor is something to count as a new feature?

00:28:15 ◼   ► Like what if they have the option to turn off labels under the under the app icons or something? That seems pretty big to me

00:28:21 ◼   ► To turn off the words under the app icons. That's not minor. That's the big change. There's people who like that

00:28:28 ◼   ► But my point there though is like that's a big that's a big change

00:28:31 ◼   ► That's like a thing that we've had for a decade at this point is the labels under the app icons

00:28:36 ◼   ► That would be a big feature like a new that's like a new thing. It's like a sick. It would be a new feature

00:28:40 ◼   ► Yeah new feature

00:28:42 ◼   ► Oh, I mean, we can accept this prediction.

00:28:46 ◼   ► I know it's not exciting, but I don't care. I want to win.

00:28:49 ◼   ► Yeah, you like to win.

00:28:51 ◼   ► And also, let me just say, let me just say when we're talking about exciting,

00:28:55 ◼   ► if they do what I want them to do, we're all going to be super happy about it.

00:28:59 ◼   ► Right.

00:28:59 ◼   ► Like if they put widgets on the home screen and they're all new widgets,

00:29:02 ◼   ► they allow us to put like documents and folders on the home screen instead.

00:29:06 ◼   ► So we can quickly get to things that don't need to live in files anymore.

00:29:09 ◼   ► Like we'll be flipping out over that.

00:29:11 ◼   ► It's gonna be amazing sure but that aftertaste of you getting this prediction, right?

00:29:16 ◼   ► Yeah, well if you would have done better in the last predictions you could have picked it before me

00:29:22 ◼   ► But you came to a winner you came lost Federico. I'm sorry. What title do you hold?

00:29:28 ◼   ► Here, well, let's talk about Federico's next pick because I think you've gotten too specific for your own good here

00:29:35 ◼   ► This is Federico's way

00:29:37 ◼   ► My prediction is well you can you know?

00:29:41 ◼   ► you may not like my approach but you cannot deny that I don't have style. So

00:29:46 ◼   ► my prediction is new iMessage features including the ability to retract sent

00:29:52 ◼   ► messages. So essentially I think that Apple is going to copy a WhatsApp feature

00:30:00 ◼   ► WhatsApp allows you to delete, to retract a previously sent message in a

00:30:05 ◼   ► conversation and I think this is not the prediction but I personally think that

00:30:10 ◼   ► that Apple should and is going to copy a bunch of different WhatsApp features for iMessage.

00:30:15 ◼   ► So my prediction is we're going to get new iMessage features. So I could have stopped

00:30:21 ◼   ► there, but I also really want to see the ability to extract a previously sent message. And

00:30:27 ◼   ► I also think this was rumored before at some point. So my prediction is going to be, because

00:30:33 ◼   ► I want to give it that flavor, you know, I don't want to be too broad and, you know,

00:30:38 ◼   ► just win easy. I want to win with the struggle. I like that. So new iMessage features, including

00:30:43 ◼   ► the ability to retract sent messages.

00:30:45 ◼   ► Well, look, if you want, because Des not a flavor, you're not being specific, are you?

00:30:50 ◼   ► Yes I am.

00:30:51 ◼   ► You're just saying including.

00:30:52 ◼   ► Yeah, including. But I'm adding something. I'm adding something to the...

00:30:56 ◼   ► New iPad home screen gets new features. So if it's, if, so, okay, let me ask a question

00:31:02 ◼   ► here. If they don't announce retracting sent messages, but have other features, do you

00:31:07 ◼   ► get the point? No, I don't. That's the point. Also, it has to include... Yeah, everything

00:31:14 ◼   ► in the doc is the pick. Okay, well then, you're wild. You're a wild person. Well, and also

00:31:20 ◼   ► I put in the document, I put WhatsApp, like WhatsApp, it's indented because that's not

00:31:25 ◼   ► part of the pick, it's to give you an idea of what it will look like. The pick is new

00:31:29 ◼   ► iMessage features including the ability to track sent messages. So if there's new...

00:31:33 ◼   ► That's the pick.

00:31:34 ◼   ► New features, but you can't retract, you don't get it.

00:31:37 ◼   ► Got it.

00:31:38 ◼   ► Yeah, exactly.

00:31:39 ◼   ► So, I predict new features, and amongst these features, there's one that is you can delete

00:31:45 ◼   ► a previously sent message.

00:31:47 ◼   ► Wow.

00:31:48 ◼   ► Now, I said iMessage, so here's my only doubt here.

00:31:51 ◼   ► I said iMessage because I assume that these features will be specifically retracting a

00:31:57 ◼   ► message, should be an iMessage, as in the iMessage protocol.

00:32:02 ◼   ► feature because I don't think you can retract a previously sent SMS. So that's why, for context,

00:32:07 ◼   ► that is why I said new iMessage features. They need to put it in the iMessage deep and

00:32:12 ◼   ► open framework. Yeah. Yes, we're going to talk about deep and open frameworks later. Oh, I know.

00:32:17 ◼   ► I would also say that like if this is an iOS only feature, that's perfectly fine. I just want to

00:32:23 ◼   ► state that for you because you said iMessage, it then could be like, do you mean the entire

00:32:28 ◼   ► service but like I just think if it's available in some form in iMessage you'll be fine.

00:32:33 ◼   ► And I mean if they're gonna show it you know they're gonna show it on an iPhone.

00:32:36 ◼   ► Then they're gonna tell you "oh on iPad now you can retract it"

00:32:40 ◼   ► Well I was thinking more about the Mac but sure or the Macintosh.

00:32:43 ◼   ► Oh yeah I guess that also exists.

00:32:45 ◼   ► But yeah I mean they're gonna do the new messages app on the Mac so.

00:32:48 ◼   ► Maybe on the Mac it will just show in brackets underneath "this message was retracted"

00:32:53 ◼   ► it never actually is you know. Let's see. Steven what's your round two pick? My round

00:33:02 ◼   ► two pick is as follows. An AR demo is given calling out the benefits of the time of flight

00:33:09 ◼   ► sensor found on the 2020 iPad pros. Oh okay slow down. Is given? Where, what does it mean

00:33:17 ◼   ► is given? Like does it have to be in the keynote or on the website or in a promo video? Good

00:33:23 ◼   ► What is is given this passive this passive verb I need to see it on

00:33:29 ◼   ► The stream so I don't care if it's live or if it's pre-recorded in the keynote

00:33:34 ◼   ► In the keynote stream or in the okay, so not in the state of the Union in the keynote stream

00:33:41 ◼   ► We don't we have never so this is actually okay, so the the rules for the Ricky's

00:33:47 ◼   ► Anything goes up until we record. That's the difference. Oh, that's right

00:33:52 ◼   ► - Right, I've forgotten.

00:33:53 ◼   ► - If it's not in the keynote, but we find out about it

00:33:56 ◼   ► in a session on Tuesday afternoon, you got the point.

00:33:59 ◼   ► - Yep. - Okay, okay.

00:34:00 ◼   ► Okay. - So,

00:34:02 ◼   ► so what are you saying? - Oh, that's good.

00:34:05 ◼   ► What am I saying? - Yes.

00:34:06 ◼   ► - I'm saying that they're gonna have some sort of demo.

00:34:11 ◼   ► - In? - Calling out the benefits.

00:34:12 ◼   ► - The keynote?

00:34:13 ◼   ► - So by demo, you mean a person,

00:34:16 ◼   ► because I'm trying to be specific here in that

00:34:21 ◼   ► I don't want to be in a situation where, for example,

00:34:24 ◼   ► Apple updates their website,

00:34:25 ◼   ► and there's a new section of a website that says,

00:34:28 ◼   ► "Oh, with the time of flight sensor,

00:34:30 ◼   ► now you get these features."

00:34:32 ◼   ► It has to be a demo.

00:34:33 ◼   ► - I meant for it to be broad.

00:34:35 ◼   ► So what if I go with,

00:34:37 ◼   ► Apple draws attention to the benefits

00:34:40 ◼   ► of the time of flight sensor?

00:34:42 ◼   ► - That's so, I feel so hard to judge.

00:34:50 ◼   ► I think you said demo and we can go with demo and we can, I think we can tell what a demo

00:34:54 ◼   ► is.

00:34:55 ◼   ► How about there has to be a video from Apple, right, that...

00:35:03 ◼   ► A video or a part of a video.

00:35:05 ◼   ► Is an AR demo calling out the benefits, so it has to appear on video from Apple before

00:35:13 ◼   ► we record.

00:35:15 ◼   ► It has to appear on video, I think it's a good description because it could be in the

00:35:18 ◼   ► keynote or it could be a session. Or in the state of the union.

00:35:23 ◼   ► Or in the state of the union. So it needs to appear on video. The website doesn't count.

00:35:27 ◼   ► There's just to be a lot of work for Steven to get this if it's not in the keynote.

00:35:31 ◼   ► Apple, yeah I now have to watch all the AR sessions.

00:35:34 ◼   ► Watch everything.

00:35:35 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:35:35 ◼   ► Well, listeners, if you see it, send me a link.

00:35:38 ◼   ► You know what would be funny? If Apple didn't mention this on video and went like,

00:35:43 ◼   ► "Oh, you guys have seen that first time of flight sensor in the iPad Pro?" It sucks.

00:35:47 ◼   ► They mention it but they don't tout the benefits of it.

00:35:53 ◼   ► You've taken AR out of here.

00:35:55 ◼   ► Oh sorry, that's a typo.

00:35:59 ◼   ► Why don't you just put 4 AR at the end?

00:36:01 ◼   ► Okay yeah that works.

00:36:03 ◼   ► So the pick is Apple shares a video touting the benefits of the time of flight sensor

00:36:10 ◼   ► found in the 2020 iPad Pros for AR.

00:36:15 ◼   ► I feel like this is a risky pick at this point,

00:36:17 ◼   ► the way that it's phrased.

00:36:18 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:36:20 ◼   ► - We've walked him into risky town.

00:36:22 ◼   ► That's very good.

00:36:25 ◼   ► - Yes, so here's my thinking behind this,

00:36:27 ◼   ► 'cause the more you talk about it,

00:36:29 ◼   ► the worse I feel about it.

00:36:31 ◼   ► My thought is, I think everyone's thought is,

00:36:33 ◼   ► this sensor's coming to the new iPhones

00:36:36 ◼   ► whenever they ship in the fall.

00:36:37 ◼   ► And Apple won't say that, but very often Apple's like,

00:36:42 ◼   ► "Wink, wink, nudge, nudge,

00:36:43 ◼   ► this hardware is really important or in things like size classes, oh you really want size

00:36:50 ◼   ► classes in your apps.

00:36:52 ◼   ► And then slide over becomes a thing.

00:36:53 ◼   ► I have a Flexi that's like this to share later on.

00:36:57 ◼   ► That follows the same methodology.

00:36:59 ◼   ► But as you'll see, I didn't make it a pick.

00:37:02 ◼   ► It wasn't as bold as you.

00:37:04 ◼   ► I'm going bold because Apple thinks AR is really important.

00:37:08 ◼   ► And I don't think anyone really knows why or cares as much as Apple does.

00:37:13 ◼   ► And I think that they will show off something, ARKit, iOS something, using that time of flight

00:37:19 ◼   ► sensor and say, "Hey, if you build in support for this, you get all these features," wink,

00:37:23 ◼   ► wink, it's going to be important.

00:37:25 ◼   ► I appreciate this pick.

00:37:27 ◼   ► If you were Myke, you would have just said Apple mentions AR, and that would have been

00:37:31 ◼   ► the pick.

00:37:32 ◼   ► All right, so my next pick is iOS gets the ability to change default apps from those

00:37:39 ◼   ► to Apple Make.

00:37:40 ◼   ► I am going to say...

00:37:42 ◼   ► Oh, this is a good one.

00:37:44 ◼   ► Including email.

00:37:46 ◼   ► Wow.

00:37:48 ◼   ► That's not in the doc, you gotta add that.

00:37:50 ◼   ► I know it's not in the doc, because I feel like I have to do something,

00:37:53 ◼   ► or I'm gonna be called the non-risky regular pick person.

00:37:56 ◼   ► Non-specific Myke, they'll call me.

00:37:58 ◼   ► You gotta get under your skin over here.

00:38:01 ◼   ► I know.

00:38:02 ◼   ► IOS gets... I don't care about what you say.

00:38:05 ◼   ► It's everyone else I care about.

00:38:08 ◼   ► It's everybody else.

00:38:09 ◼   ► Like, I don't mind taking it from you, but I don't want to spend the rest of the week

00:38:15 ◼   ► dealing with people saying to me, "You don't do risky things."

00:38:19 ◼   ► So iOS gets the ability to change default apps from those that Apple make, including

00:38:24 ◼   ► email.

00:38:25 ◼   ► Okay.

00:38:26 ◼   ► And there's a very easy way to tell if it includes email, because if you can, tapping

00:38:31 ◼   ► any mail to URL will open the different applications.

00:38:35 ◼   ► So very easy to confirm.

00:38:37 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:38:38 ◼   ► Look, I will say, look, I'm not being incredibly hard on myself.

00:38:41 ◼   ► I feel like this is the easy one if they're going to do any of them.

00:38:44 ◼   ► Right? Like email feels like the one you would do.

00:38:48 ◼   ► This is probably a really, actually, this is a nice segue.

00:38:51 ◼   ► Let me actually, I'll tell you why I think they're going to do this.

00:38:53 ◼   ► And then that will lead us into to a very quick sub topic.

00:38:56 ◼   ► I believe they're going to do this not because they want to, but because this

00:39:00 ◼   ► will be a thing that they will want to show regulators in Europe and the US,

00:39:05 ◼   ► about "oh hey we are not forcing people to use our applications" like I actually

00:39:11 ◼   ► think they will also do this for music, maybe for messaging as well, like to just

00:39:17 ◼   ► let you choose your defaults for those. Not in the pic, just something Myke thinks

00:39:21 ◼   ► because that will give them something to try and show that they are not keep

00:39:29 ◼   ► trying to like force and keep their monopolies as much as they want, right?

00:39:32 ◼   ► Does that make sense? Right, that they would do this as an antitrust thing. And I could see this

00:39:39 ◼   ► being a thing where they say it's coming later this year, and it's actually not in 14-0. Ooh,

00:39:47 ◼   ► that's nice. Yeah, I like that. That maybe if, and we're gonna already talk about the hay thing,

00:39:51 ◼   ► I assume, if that was like the straw that broke the camel's back, which it could be, we don't know,

00:39:56 ◼   ► that maybe this isn't in the betas, or maybe it's not there on day one, but shows up a little bit.

00:40:02 ◼   ► later like just something about this feature makes me think maybe it's not

00:40:06 ◼   ► there on day one I don't know why I can't put my finger on it but I have

00:40:09 ◼   ► that little thought in the back of my head could take a little while for them

00:40:13 ◼   ► to get it all in place they might have additional approvals that they make you

00:40:16 ◼   ► do right like that might be like a separate process so you might need to

00:40:20 ◼   ► get signed differently I don't know what it might be right that's how CarPlay is

00:40:24 ◼   ► right you have to have special entitlements entitlements and so it

00:40:28 ◼   ► could be that you have to work with Apple for that. I mean Android has a

00:40:32 ◼   ► system for this right where like I would expect they would probably do something

00:40:37 ◼   ► similar with the first time you click a link that is you know that can send an

00:40:42 ◼   ► email it will say hey which one of these you want to use mm-hmm and I would

00:40:46 ◼   ► expect them to do something pretty similar to that where it will let you

00:40:50 ◼   ► choose every time or you can set a default from that pop-up that would

00:40:54 ◼   ► appear. Let's just, we'll touch on this real quick. Hey, which is an email app, a

00:40:59 ◼   ► new email service, hey, from 37signals, I think, or I don't know if they're called

00:41:04 ◼   ► Basecamp now, but the company behind Basecamp have set up a company called Hey.

00:41:08 ◼   ► Hey. Hey. It's a new email service, it's rolling out now, they, it's free for

00:41:15 ◼   ► 14 days, you pay $100 a year, that's the service. Their iPhone app has been

00:41:20 ◼   ► rejected because they have a paid subscription service that they do not have an in-app purchase

00:41:28 ◼   ► for.

00:41:29 ◼   ► One, but the thing that's really, I mean, we all know this, right?

00:41:33 ◼   ► Everybody knows this by now that Apple want you to use their in-app purchases and that's

00:41:36 ◼   ► why you can't link to your website and all that kind of stuff.

00:41:39 ◼   ► We've heard this before, right?

00:41:41 ◼   ► It's why like Netflix won't let you sign up.

00:41:44 ◼   ► They also won't link, but you've got to know that you've got to have a Netflix account.

00:41:48 ◼   ► Well, Hey, did all of that stuff.

00:41:50 ◼   ► There's no links out, there's no nothing.

00:41:55 ◼   ► I want to read a quote from Protocol.

00:42:00 ◼   ► This was David Pierce reporting.

00:42:01 ◼   ► "Apple told me that its actual mistake was approving the app in the first place when

00:42:05 ◼   ► it didn't conform to its guidelines.

00:42:07 ◼   ► Apple allows these kinds of client apps where you can't sign up, only sign in, for business

00:42:12 ◼   ► services but not consumer products.

00:42:15 ◼   ► That's why Basecamp, which companies typically pay for, is allowed on the App Store when

00:42:19 ◼   ► Which users pay for isn't anyone who purchased hay from elsewhere could access it on iOS as usual

00:42:26 ◼   ► The company said but the app must have a way for users to sign up and pay through Apple's infrastructure

00:42:31 ◼   ► That's how Apple supports and pays for its work on the platform. I have two points just one

00:42:36 ◼   ► I don't want to say the word that I want to say about what I think about this statement

00:42:40 ◼   ► But it is baloney it this is so terrible

00:42:44 ◼   ► Like that it almost feels like the spokesperson that talked spoke to David Pierce went rogue because this is bananas

00:42:51 ◼   ► Like the last point that's how Apple supports and pays for its work on the platform. Is it though? I don't think it is like

00:42:57 ◼   ► We pay for the phones, right and Apple makes a lot of money in a lot of ways

00:43:02 ◼   ► I can't imagine that like that 30% pays for all of it. Just don't I'm not gonna accept that as an answer

00:43:09 ◼   ► But the other thing is like so what Apple has done here is I there was a I'm a big fan of dithering

00:43:16 ◼   ► John Gruber and Ben Thompson's you show they have a great episode. I'll link to the tweet

00:43:20 ◼   ► They put a clip and you should listen to that show

00:43:22 ◼   ► But they made a point there and I've seen other people do it too is that the problem here isn't that Apple changed the rules?

00:43:28 ◼   ► No rule has changed rule three point one point one is the same Apple has changed its

00:43:34 ◼   ► interpretation of that rule where now they're saying oh no, you can't do that either you can't

00:43:40 ◼   ► have a

00:43:42 ◼   ► Service that you pay for outside and just not link to it now if there's even an existence of a service outside

00:43:48 ◼   ► You must allow us to process that payment as well. I don't like it. It doesn't sit right with me

00:43:55 ◼   ► I don't know why this company need feels the need to do this. Okay, I say that I know why they want that services

00:44:03 ◼   ► revenue to keep going up up up that's why they're doing it but like this is in

00:44:07 ◼   ► the same week that the European Commission has announced their antitrust

00:44:12 ◼   ► stuff for Apple for this very thing this is gonna blow up big time unless they

00:44:18 ◼   ► fix it and I think that my hope here is that something's got misconstrued

00:44:25 ◼   ► because I cannot otherwise understand why they think this is acceptable

00:44:30 ◼   ► Because there are other apps that do work this exact way.

00:44:35 ◼   ► Yes.

00:44:36 ◼   ► Right?

00:44:37 ◼   ► Slack, Netflix, where you can sign into the app, but you have to have an account that

00:44:41 ◼   ► you pay for outside of the app store.

00:44:44 ◼   ► And this whole business consumer thing is bananas.

00:44:47 ◼   ► I can sign up for a basecamp and just be me and not a business.

00:44:52 ◼   ► I can also pay for Hey, and I will do Hey with my business account because I do email

00:44:58 ◼   ► like business email is work for me. Like Apple can't be the arbiter of what is for businesses

00:45:04 ◼   ► and what isn't. And also this idea of like, oh, there are these reader apps and like Netflix

00:45:10 ◼   ► is a reader app. Like Apple, just say it, right? Say what you actually want to say,

00:45:15 ◼   ► which is you need to be big enough for us to give you a break here.

00:45:19 ◼   ► Yeah, which is terrible policy. But if that's what you are, want to do, which is what you're

00:45:24 ◼   ► doing right because they include Dropbox in that list like Netflix and Dropbox are the same like

00:45:29 ◼   ► just say it if you want to do deals in the background which we know you're doing because

00:45:35 ◼   ► you're a big business just say it's that so like because personally I don't have any more of a bad

00:45:42 ◼   ► or good feeling about that than what you're doing because I know that's what you're doing so just

00:45:46 ◼   ► tell me that's what you're doing so just broadly speaking I personally think Apple is in the wrong

00:45:51 ◼   ► here, obviously. I don't think, like, I've read a lot about it this past couple of days,

00:45:57 ◼   ► I went in and checked the guidelines again, but it's one of those things that they just

00:46:03 ◼   ► feel wrong, you know? And I think we had part of this conversation when Spotify brought

00:46:10 ◼   ► on their complaints a few months ago. First of all, I think Apple is taking this stance,

00:46:18 ◼   ► weird stance on this problem at the worst possible time with a new antitrust investigation

00:46:24 ◼   ► that just started in the EU and WWDC, which is a developers conference starting just a

00:46:30 ◼   ► few days. So this is the worst possible timing for Apple to say, to show this anti-competitive

00:46:35 ◼   ► behavior. And I also think it's just wrong for consumers and for developers to have this

00:46:42 ◼   ► sort of, you know, hidden categorization of developers between big developers who we cannot

00:46:48 ◼   ► afford to push around and smaller developers who either they play by our rules or they're

00:46:54 ◼   ► shut off from the platform. I think this is not a good look. I would be very surprised, very,

00:47:00 ◼   ► very surprised if Apple does not walk this back in regards to "hey". "Hey!" I have faith that somebody

00:47:09 ◼   ► high up enough is going to see this and realize they made a wrong call somewhere.

00:47:14 ◼   ► Because we've seen this kind of stuff happen in the past, right? And this really feels like

00:47:21 ◼   ► someone made a decision for either good or bad reasons and it's trickled down and messed stuff up.

00:47:27 ◼   ► And it just is no bold to different websites. The statements to the Verge and to Protocol,

00:47:35 ◼   ► That's very strange because when you give those statements, they're usually reviewed by PR and

00:47:42 ◼   ► they go through multiple chains of people. So it's really surprising that Apple

00:47:48 ◼   ► may have not foreseen this backlash coming. I mean, it definitely does help, of course, that the

00:47:56 ◼   ► people behind Hey and Basecamp, they have a very large audience and following.

00:48:01 ◼   ► And David Hanalaya Hansen, the CTO, is a very vocal controversial figure when it comes to this kind of stuff anyway.

00:48:08 ◼   ► And I also do want to say that I cannot...

00:48:12 ◼   ► There is a medium-sized elephant in the room here where this is a closed email platform.

00:48:20 ◼   ► Sure.

00:48:22 ◼   ► Which is strange, right?

00:48:24 ◼   ► Because it seems like 37signals Basecamp, David Hanalaya Hansen, believe in openness over everything.

00:48:31 ◼   ► but like this is an email platform that I cannot use with any other app except theirs.

00:48:38 ◼   ► I know why they're doing it because it does things that are cool and different but it is still a

00:48:45 ◼   ► closed platform. But does it matter though? Oh absolutely this is completely separate to

00:48:51 ◼   ► what Apple's doing. I'm just saying this as like a an interesting thing where it's I just want to

00:48:57 ◼   ► to make that point because I feel like it's a point that needs to be made.

00:49:01 ◼   ► I agree but of course in a fair and open and competitive market you shouldn't care about

00:49:07 ◼   ► the people and the actors that are going to take advantage of your rules. You've got to

00:49:12 ◼   ► make the rules and the rules have to be fair.

00:49:14 ◼   ► Yeah but as I said I really need to just... that point is completely disconnected from

00:49:20 ◼   ► any decision that Apple made because I've been thinking this about "hey anyway" well

00:49:25 ◼   ► I want to try it out, I'm interested in it.

00:49:27 ◼   ► But, hi.

00:49:28 ◼   ► I don't, I'm struggling to see how they will gain foothold in the long term.

00:49:35 ◼   ► Like, it has to be so good because ultimately they will want all my email.

00:49:42 ◼   ► And that's an interesting thing, right?

00:49:44 ◼   ► Like, they're going to want my business email later on.

00:49:46 ◼   ► I know they do.

00:49:47 ◼   ► So then, like, email just becomes, "Hey."

00:49:50 ◼   ► Anyway, it's like a funny thing, but like, we can't even have this discussion now because

00:49:54 ◼   ► there's all this other stuff going on. So I want to come, I am, I have access to

00:50:00 ◼   ► Hey and I want to try it out and I want to really give it a fair shake but I do

00:50:04 ◼   ► want to come back to talking about it in general anyway. Like obviously I'm gonna

00:50:08 ◼   ► talk about it's an email app it's like this is my bread and butter talking about

00:50:12 ◼   ► email apps but this whole thing with with with them and Apple is what is wild.

00:50:19 ◼   ► So what was your pick? Yeah iOS gets the ability to change default apps from

00:50:24 ◼   ► those that Apple make, including email.

00:50:27 ◼   ► Alright.

00:50:27 ◼   ► That's a good pick.

00:50:28 ◼   ► Can I do mine?

00:50:30 ◼   ► Yes, please.

00:50:31 ◼   ► Oh, this is actually kind of generic. I did have a generic one.

00:50:36 ◼   ► IOS or watchOS. Actually, no. IOS and watchOS. Both of them together.

00:50:45 ◼   ► Whoa.

00:50:46 ◼   ► Get new sleep tracking features.

00:50:49 ◼   ► I don't know why you added the "and" in there.

00:50:52 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:50:52 ◼   ► Why did you do that?

00:50:53 ◼   ► can you sleep track with your phone? No, I just think there's gonna be a... No, I

00:50:57 ◼   ► think if they do add sleep tracking on the watch, of course you're gonna have

00:51:01 ◼   ► some sleep tracking component on the iPhone as well. Okay, so I would like to just clarify.

00:51:06 ◼   ► For visualizing data... I really want you to take iOS out of this pic for your own sake, Federico.

00:51:11 ◼   ► Just, you don't need it in there. You're making it harder for yourself, because

00:51:14 ◼   ► there are things that the watch does that iOS doesn't pair with, like breathe.

00:51:22 ◼   ► Alright cool, watchOS gets new sleep tracking features.

00:51:25 ◼   ► You don't need to make it harder on yourself.

00:51:27 ◼   ► I totally get what you're saying and that yeah I'm sure there will be some component

00:51:31 ◼   ► where it dies in.

00:51:32 ◼   ► Yeah it'll be in the health app.

00:51:33 ◼   ► I just think it'll be there.

00:51:34 ◼   ► I mean if you track your sleep with the watch you're gonna have either new sections in health

00:51:43 ◼   ► or a new section in the watch app.

00:51:44 ◼   ► But I wouldn't count that though.

00:51:45 ◼   ► Like it...

00:51:46 ◼   ► Okay cool, no I get it.

00:51:47 ◼   ► That's why.

00:51:48 ◼   ► if they measure it in health like I'm not that's not a new feature like that's

00:51:52 ◼   ► that term in my mind like that doesn't feel like a feature no but I was also

00:51:57 ◼   ► thinking like maybe there's like a sleep mode that you can enable like from

00:52:00 ◼   ► control center on the iPhone or stuff like that right but then like how

00:52:04 ◼   ► different is it to the car bedtime mode because that right I do feel I do feel

00:52:08 ◼   ► more confident about saying watch OS gets a new native sleep tracking feature

00:52:13 ◼   ► We're not even in the Ricky's yet, man.

00:52:15 ◼   ► Like, you know?

00:52:17 ◼   ► So, let me ask you, let me ask you this.

00:52:19 ◼   ► Is this something that gets announced at WWDC?

00:52:23 ◼   ► Or if it's for new hardware only, do they hold it for the new watch?

00:52:27 ◼   ► This is the risk.

00:52:29 ◼   ► Yeah, that's the risk.

00:52:30 ◼   ► I would like to see this be like Series 5 and up.

00:52:33 ◼   ► Which I think they could, they could do.

00:52:35 ◼   ► Actually, the Series 4 and Series 5 watch have the same processor, right?

00:52:38 ◼   ► So, maybe, I don't know.

00:52:41 ◼   ► Feels like there's some give there where it could come to older devices, but I do think

00:52:44 ◼   ► you run a risk of this being a Series 6 hardware thing.

00:52:49 ◼   ► Because like "Always On" watch faces was like, we didn't know about that until the watch

00:52:54 ◼   ► announcement and there's not going to be a third party story with sleep tracking.

00:52:59 ◼   ► Well there is, it's called being "shirt locked".

00:53:02 ◼   ► Well yeah.

00:53:03 ◼   ► If I phrase the pick as "WatchOS" - the next version, whatever, 7 - gets new sleep tracking

00:53:10 ◼   ► If I don't say new native sleep tracking features,

00:53:13 ◼   ► I think I could potentially account for two possibilities.

00:53:17 ◼   ► One is the native feature from Apple.

00:53:20 ◼   ► The other is new APIs for developers or, again,

00:53:25 ◼   ► maybe a new sleep tracking mode that you get

00:53:27 ◼   ► in Control Center on the watch, something else.

00:53:30 ◼   ► I think if I just say,

00:53:31 ◼   ► because I do believe the watchOS 7 and the next Apple watch,

00:53:34 ◼   ► Apple is going all in on sleep tracking.

00:53:36 ◼   ► So I just want to say watchOS gets

00:53:38 ◼   ► new sleep tracking features.

00:53:40 ◼   ► I could possibly see an API. I can understand that. Like, you know, like,

00:53:46 ◼   ► workout apps can tie into health. So, hmm. Alright. Yeah. So that's the pick.

00:53:54 ◼   ► Alright, so that finishes round one and round two. It is time for the Rickies after this break.

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00:55:14 ◼   ► So the time has come.

00:55:16 ◼   ► It is time for our Rickiest, the Ricky picks, riskiest pickiest time for the Ricky's.

00:55:25 ◼   ► Can you feel, can you feel the excitement?

00:55:27 ◼   ► You guys seem excited.

00:55:29 ◼   ► I do believe that my pick is the Rickiest of them all and...

00:55:34 ◼   ► Oh yeah, you went... just head into this!

00:55:38 ◼   ► This was unprecedented though, this Ricky selection. There was no fighting.

00:55:44 ◼   ► We always have the worst fights when we're trying to decide... because basically what happens is

00:55:50 ◼   ► a day or two before we all share our Ricky picks of each other and have to agree that they are

00:55:58 ◼   ► risky and if they're not and we like if we can't come to a decision we've had Jason get involved as

00:56:05 ◼   ► an impartial third party to make us change this there was this time we had one requested

00:56:13 ◼   ► clarification and then that was it well I mean it's not that I don't think your pick is not

00:56:18 ◼   ► risky Myke well you must if you agreed to it you must think it's risky I do think it's risky

00:56:24 ◼   ► I just think it's kind of obvious. I think it's both risky and obvious at the same time.

00:56:29 ◼   ► Well that's why I picked it.

00:56:31 ◼   ► Yeah, because you like to win easy.

00:56:33 ◼   ► No, because I want to win.

00:56:35 ◼   ► So now we're fighting.

00:56:36 ◼   ► I picked something, which you'll hear in a bit, that there's been no rumor for.

00:56:45 ◼   ► People can assume it's going to happen. People have said, "Oh, they should probably do this."

00:56:49 ◼   ► Everybody's going to assume it's going to happen.

00:56:51 ◼   ► Everyone thinks it's happening, but those are the rules.

00:56:53 ◼   ► the rules are like there has to have been no prior information that could guarantee this

00:57:01 ◼   ► thing's gonna happen. From my perspective, Steven's is the least risky. Yeah, you also have a point.

00:57:11 ◼   ► The more I look at this, the more I feel like a lone man on an island. I think that there is a

00:57:18 ◼   ► Risky level that begins with Steven and ends with you. That's what I think we are

00:57:23 ◼   ► Yeah, all right. Are we ready for this? Yeah, go on go on

00:57:28 ◼   ► Apple will I said ship but really it's announced or not. There's a new major Mac app built on catalyst

00:57:36 ◼   ► This is what the clarification was. It's something that is in the default doc of Mac OS

00:57:42 ◼   ► I want to make a secondary clarification here. Do you?

00:57:46 ◼   ► default dock as of when? a clean install. clean install of 10.16. yep of 10.16. the new version

00:57:56 ◼   ► of macos. okay that's interesting because i would have thought we would do it as of now

00:58:01 ◼   ► because the risky part to me is apple takes a current app and makes it catalyst. well i mean

00:58:11 ◼   ► Creating a new app that's Catalyst doesn't feel so risky to me.

00:58:15 ◼   ► But can they... do they even want to create new Mac apps that don't already exist?

00:58:20 ◼   ► Like is there anything left to create on the Mac?

00:58:22 ◼   ► Well no it's not... it's not that it is a new app.

00:58:25 ◼   ► Well... okay there's one actually that they could...

00:58:29 ◼   ► I mean there's an obvious one. It could be shortcuts.

00:58:31 ◼   ► Right. This is what I was thinking. If they ship shortcuts and it comes in the dock...

00:58:36 ◼   ► Ah... it's kind of obvious isn't it?

00:58:38 ◼   ► that doesn't feel as risky. The risk to me...

00:58:41 ◼   ► I get it.

00:58:42 ◼   ► Feels like you take something that exists, turn it to catalyst.

00:58:47 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:58:48 ◼   ► And messages would be the one that we would expect that would happen to.

00:58:53 ◼   ► Messages would be the one.

00:58:55 ◼   ► And then that would do it.

00:58:56 ◼   ► Yeah, but with shortcuts being in the dock anyway though.

00:58:59 ◼   ► I don't know, maybe.

00:59:01 ◼   ► I don't know. Automator is not in the dock.

00:59:03 ◼   ► It comes pre-installed on iPhones.

00:59:06 ◼   ► It was pre-installed on the iPhone,

00:59:07 ◼   ► but it's not in the dock, obviously.

00:59:09 ◼   ► - So what's in the dock in a new Catalina install

00:59:13 ◼   ► is Finder, Launchpad, Launchpad.

00:59:17 ◼   ► - Launchpad's catalyst, there we go, nailed it.

00:59:19 ◼   ► - That is Launchpad.

00:59:19 ◼   ► - Yeah, Safari.

00:59:21 ◼   ► - Also called the home screen, by the way.

00:59:23 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:59:24 ◼   ► So Finder, Launchpad, Safari, Mail, FaceTime, Messages,

00:59:31 ◼   ► maps, photos, contacts, calendar, reminders, notes, music, podcast, TV, news, app store,

00:59:42 ◼   ► system preferences. Of this, one of these is already Catalyst. Podcast is.

00:59:47 ◼   ► But isn't-

00:59:48 ◼   ► I mean it has to be one of these, right, Steven? Come on.

00:59:50 ◼   ► News is too, right?

00:59:51 ◼   ► News is too, I think.

00:59:53 ◼   ► News is too, I think.

00:59:55 ◼   ► TV is not what it looks like it is, but it's not. What's that thing? Yeah.

00:59:59 ◼   ► Yeah, it's based on the iTunes. So are we saying something? Here's what I think you were trying to

01:00:05 ◼   ► get to. Say that they're, say Apple takes an app and it's new on the Mac, or they take something

01:00:13 ◼   ► that's not in the Catalina dock, but they want to promote it. Oh, it's a Catalyst app, you should

01:00:17 ◼   ► check this out. They could insert it into the dock in 10.16. So I think this is harder for me if we go

01:00:25 ◼   ► based on the 10.15 doc.

01:00:27 ◼   ► - And that's what I think we should do.

01:00:28 ◼   ► - And if one of these apps I just named becomes Catalyst,

01:00:30 ◼   ► is that what we wanna do?

01:00:31 ◼   ► - That feels the riskiest of this selection.

01:00:34 ◼   ► - So something in the default doc of Catalina.

01:00:38 ◼   ► - Becomes a Catalyst version.

01:00:41 ◼   ► - Becomes a Catalyst app.

01:00:44 ◼   ► - And I think you'll be pretty good

01:00:46 ◼   ► to get this with Messages, but at the same time.

01:00:49 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's your safest bet.

01:00:51 ◼   ► - Messages is like so out of,

01:00:53 ◼   ► they've allowed it to get so out of date at this point that like it wouldn't surprise

01:00:56 ◼   ► me if they went another year but I do feel like we need the the real riskiness of this

01:01:02 ◼   ► pick is they take something and turn it catalyst and the reason it's risky is because that's

01:01:08 ◼   ► not what they did with music and we all thought they would it's not what they did with TV

01:01:14 ◼   ► either right like that is that was a surprise so that's why I think that it could count

01:01:18 ◼   ► as risky because they have a history of surprising us.

01:01:23 ◼   ► So here's a situation. Jason Snell? I'm gonna go with Snell. Says in the Relay Members Discord,

01:01:32 ◼   ► it could be that something like Messages has catalyst pieces but not entirely catalyst.

01:01:37 ◼   ► I feel like it's got to be entirely catalyst.

01:01:40 ◼   ► So how do we judge that?

01:01:43 ◼   ► By knowing it.

01:01:45 ◼   ► By Apple saying it? Or by like we pay off Steve John Smith to it?

01:01:48 ◼   ► cut it open? No, I mean, you know it when you see it. You have people like Steve Trattonsmith

01:01:53 ◼   ► digging in and saying this is catalyst. Yeah, we need to know. It doesn't matter how we

01:01:57 ◼   ► know, but we just need to feel confident. So like, I don't know if Steve would feel

01:02:03 ◼   ► willing to do this, but we may need to ask for Steve's help to adjudicate something.

01:02:07 ◼   ► We will have a technical adjudicator in the form of Steve Trattonsmith, a technical adjudicator.

01:02:14 ◼   ► I don't want to volunteer anybody without their consent, but we'll ask for the technical

01:02:20 ◼   ► - somebody out there will be able to provide us technical assistance if needed.

01:02:26 ◼   ► So that's my pick.

01:02:27 ◼   ► So I've reworded it, so the final reading.

01:02:30 ◼   ► Something in the default dock of Catalina becomes a Catalyst app.

01:02:33 ◼   ► You're not going to get this point.

01:02:36 ◼   ► We'll see.

01:02:38 ◼   ► Myke, you're up.

01:02:41 ◼   ► What's your Ricky pick?

01:02:43 ◼   ► obvious man. Memoji gets updated to include face coverings. That's the pick. That's the pick.

01:02:51 ◼   ► Risky picks in the time of coronavirus. Memoji with face masks. Because look, they might not

01:02:57 ◼   ► want to do it because they don't want to remind people, right? But I think they will do it because

01:03:04 ◼   ► they will want to help normalize it. This is my pick. And if anyone says it's not risky,

01:03:10 ◼   ► these two agreed to it, so them's the rules. We agree to it because it hasn't been previously

01:03:16 ◼   ► rumored by anybody. There's no artwork, right, that's been out there at this point? There's no

01:03:21 ◼   ► artwork, there's nothing, there's the only precedent that we have is the emoji with the

01:03:26 ◼   ► face mask, but that's a different thing. There's lots of emoji. And because there's the argument of

01:03:33 ◼   ► they may not want to remind people of this entire situation even in Memoji but I do believe it's

01:03:41 ◼   ► gonna happen. I do think it's kind of obvious that they're gonna do it so I that's why I said

01:03:46 ◼   ► I feel like it's risky and obvious at the same time. Ultimately I do think it's risky and Myke

01:03:53 ◼   ► deserves to mention this because he hasn't been rumored by anybody so. Yeah I've checked right

01:03:59 ◼   ► now all they have is head coverings they don't have any face coverings. Which I do think they

01:04:07 ◼   ► should have had anyway right because like this is very normal in certain parts of the world.

01:04:12 ◼   ► But like this is that that this is that apple in California idea right like we don't see it

01:04:19 ◼   ► around us although to be honest in California they've been wearing masks for a while anyway

01:04:24 ◼   ► because of wildfires and stuff but I expect... By face coverings you mean face masks not other

01:04:30 ◼   ► types of clothing? Could be a bandana, could be... Okay, bandana. That's why I just said face

01:04:38 ◼   ► coverings. Face coverings, okay, okay, okay. Yeah, makes sense. I mean something that you can obviously

01:04:44 ◼   ► trace back to the idea of wearing a face mask, basically. Yeah, yeah. Okay. This is one we'll

01:04:49 ◼   ► know it when we see it, right? Like, it will be clear to us immediately if this is something

01:04:56 ◼   ► that they're adding. I just wanna... I played in the rules here, right? Like, I know what

01:04:59 ◼   ► I did. I've played in the rules. Like, I'm using the rules to my advantage. I know this...

01:05:06 ◼   ► I have picked way riskier stuff than this. I know that your two picks are now riskier

01:05:11 ◼   ► than mine, but the rules... I've played within the rules.

01:05:17 ◼   ► You play within the rules.

01:05:19 ◼   ► But you know me, I'm a man of the people

01:05:20 ◼   ► and I love to please my people

01:05:22 ◼   ► and to give them the Ricky, you know?

01:05:25 ◼   ► - Oh, is that true?

01:05:26 ◼   ► - It is true, it is true.

01:05:27 ◼   ► People come here for the Ricky's

01:05:29 ◼   ► and the Ricky's they shall get.

01:05:31 ◼   ► So my Ricky pic is the following.

01:05:35 ◼   ► The iPad will get a new development tool

01:05:39 ◼   ► to write code on device that is not Swift Playgrounds.

01:05:44 ◼   ► (Ricky groans)

01:05:45 ◼   ► So there we go.

01:05:47 ◼   ► a new iPad development tool to write code that is not Swift Playgrounds.

01:05:54 ◼   ► Now I want to ask you a question.

01:05:55 ◼   ► I'm not saying what it should be.

01:05:56 ◼   ► I want to ask you a question.

01:05:57 ◼   ► I'm not saying what it should be.

01:05:58 ◼   ► Yes.

01:05:59 ◼   ► Do you know something I don't?

01:06:00 ◼   ► I do not know anything personally.

01:06:03 ◼   ► Honestly, I don't know anything.

01:06:06 ◼   ► I'm under no embargo.

01:06:07 ◼   ► I'm under no NDA.

01:06:08 ◼   ► No, not embargos.

01:06:09 ◼   ► I know nothing.

01:06:10 ◼   ► No, because if you were under an embargo, you wouldn't be picking this, right?

01:06:13 ◼   ► Exactly.

01:06:14 ◼   ► I have not seen anything.

01:06:16 ◼   ► Because I know for a fact that there have been picks you have made based on information

01:06:24 ◼   ► you have.

01:06:25 ◼   ► Which again, that's in the rules.

01:06:29 ◼   ► Like we don't have that as a rule, but like somebody said they heard, and I can trust

01:06:36 ◼   ► this person, but like that's fine.

01:06:39 ◼   ► That is information gathering, right?

01:06:41 ◼   ► Like if you have something that you've heard from someone, I think that's perfectly fine

01:06:45 ◼   ► to bring to the table and I know you've done that before right you've had a birdie who's

01:06:50 ◼   ► given you a piece of information. I ain't got no birdie man I've just been at the beach

01:06:55 ◼   ► and following along with the pokemon. Lots of birds at the beach, flattening around.

01:06:59 ◼   ► Seagulls and stuff. Yeah I don't like seagulls I don't like them. Too big I like small birds

01:07:03 ◼   ► only. Too big at the mouth and everything yeah I don't like them. So no I honestly haven't

01:07:09 ◼   ► talk to anybody, I've seen no leaks. There's been some people on Twitter that mention this,

01:07:16 ◼   ► but this is just based off my reasoning. And here's the reasoning. So we have Swift Playgrounds,

01:07:21 ◼   ► and that's fine. Really fantastic tool for education, fantastic tool for anybody who's

01:07:26 ◼   ► getting started with Swift. I do think, though, that it's time for Apple to offer, I don't

01:07:33 ◼   ► want to say real, but a development tool that actually lets you write code that you can

01:07:38 ◼   ► later turn into shipping products. Could be apps, could be little utilities, could be,

01:07:43 ◼   ► you know, something more advanced than shortcuts, I don't know. What I'm just thinking of, I

01:07:48 ◼   ► mean, obviously I'm thinking of Xcode, right? But I don't necessarily think that Apple wants

01:07:53 ◼   ► to do what, I mean, I would love, obviously, if the full thing, the actual Xcode came to

01:07:58 ◼   ► iPad. But I also think there's a possibility for something in the middle, right? For something

01:08:03 ◼   ► that is not Swift Playgrounds, that is not also Xcode. But it could be something that

01:08:08 ◼   ► lets you write apps and test them and use them and install them on device.

01:08:13 ◼   ► Maybe it only works with Swift and SwiftUI and maybe it doesn't have an interface builder,

01:08:19 ◼   ► it has something else completely, it has the native real-time SwiftUI preview for example.

01:08:26 ◼   ► Something completely new that lets you write code on device that could be the perfect pitch

01:08:31 ◼   ► for developers at WWDC, especially now that we have iPad Pros that can be used with an

01:08:37 ◼   ► external keyboard that has a trackpad, that has a pointer, so that makes text

01:08:41 ◼   ► selections, for example, when you're writing code even easier, you know, that

01:08:44 ◼   ► kind of stuff. So I do think it's time for something else that is not Swift

01:08:51 ◼   ► Playgrounds, could be Xcode, could be something entirely new. I've always

01:08:55 ◼   ► thought that they would do some iPad tool as a Swift only thing to try and

01:09:03 ◼   ► encourage Swift development. And that's what you're saying, right? But that would be interesting.

01:09:10 ◼   ► There's all kinds of considerations as to, you know, maybe it could be Swift only, but

01:09:14 ◼   ► can you really do that? Maybe if you do something in SwiftUI, it also needs to support UIKit.

01:09:21 ◼   ► I don't want to get into the technical details of all of this, but basically the bigger idea

01:09:26 ◼   ► that I have is that I do think it's time to build something on iPad for a new generation

01:09:31 ◼   ► of coders, they have been training kids, starting from elementary school, to get accustomed

01:09:37 ◼   ► to the idea of using an iPad as their computer. And then there's this weird discrepancy between,

01:09:43 ◼   ► "Oh, you learn with an iPad, the iPad is a fantastic tool for getting all kinds of work

01:09:47 ◼   ► done, and we have an iPad Pro now, oh, but when you actually want to make real apps,

01:09:51 ◼   ► then you gotta buy a Mac." And I think it's time for Apple to address that limitation.

01:09:57 ◼   ► And so something that is not Swift Playgrounds but lets you write code, could be Xcode, could

01:10:02 ◼   ► be something entirely new, I do think it's time to see that kind of product on iPad.

01:10:10 ◼   ► I mean we've been saying this for years.

01:10:14 ◼   ► Like I remember sitting in a lobby in San Francisco WWDC saying that surely they're

01:10:22 ◼   ► going to have some iPad focused development tool and everyone was

01:10:27 ◼   ► agreeing that like yeah it was like a thing we were talking about like multiple

01:10:32 ◼   ► years ago that this is something they need to do because it's like the sign of

01:10:35 ◼   ► maturity in a platform right can you make apps on the thing for the thing

01:10:41 ◼   ► like I think that's important and if you want to continue showing that the iPad

01:10:47 ◼   ► as an important tool in professional work and professional use cases. It's just a great sign

01:10:54 ◼   ► of that. Well, I do think the only precedent that we have for this pick would be that professional

01:11:01 ◼   ► leaker John Prosser said a while back that Xcode would be coming to iOS and iPadOS 14. So there's

01:11:08 ◼   ► a there's actually more precedent for this if you consider that tweet than Myke's risky pick. So

01:11:15 ◼   ► I feel like I should mention this because it's out there, it's in the open, it's been reported by

01:11:19 ◼   ► multiple websites, so we should say that that tweet was issued by Mr Prosser a while back.

01:11:28 ◼   ► But I do think it's risky, I do think there's a bunch of reasons why it may not happen.

01:11:34 ◼   ► The obvious one, the pandemic. I mean, this is a big project and maybe if things needed to be

01:11:42 ◼   ► pushed back maybe this could have been one of them and yeah but I don't know I

01:11:47 ◼   ► don't know yeah I don't think we've seen anything nearly enough to make me feel

01:11:52 ◼   ► like this is happening if that makes sense right like you say like yes there

01:11:57 ◼   ► have been people who have a track record like John Prosser and he's mentioned

01:12:00 ◼   ► this but that doesn't feel like enough to say that this isn't risky and to

01:12:08 ◼   ► clarify if stuff gets added to Swift Playgrounds that's not your pick your

01:12:12 ◼   ► pick is a new tool yeah what if they okay what if they add new things and

01:12:19 ◼   ► rebrand it that will be considered new if it's not called Swift Playgrounds

01:12:25 ◼   ► anymore hmm I think that would qualify as being new cool just want to double

01:12:29 ◼   ► check that because I could also see that happening right it would be strange

01:12:32 ◼   ► because they do have Swift Playgrounds on the Mac as well now. So, I don't know, you know, just

01:12:40 ◼   ► you can make a separate thing. But yeah, I mean, if they said, "Oh, we took Swift Playgrounds and

01:12:44 ◼   ► rebranded it as, I don't know, Swift code or something," then I guess that would be considered new.

01:12:50 ◼   ► Cool beans. So those are our picks. We need to get into our non-graded flexes next. This episode

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01:14:41 ◼   ► All right, the non-graded flexies. I think we just kind of just want to like everyone just go

01:14:47 ◼   ► through all of them we that we have let's talk about it uh yeah yeah we may

01:14:52 ◼   ► as well just go through the lists I don't think I don't think we could do

01:14:54 ◼   ► around Robin because we don't have even numbers of things mm-hmm you know you're

01:14:59 ◼   ► Robin would fly crooked you don't want that don't know okay non graded Apple

01:15:05 ◼   ► says literally anything about the home pod just just literally literally

01:15:11 ◼   ► anything literally anything just mentions the home pod yes it exists yeah

01:15:16 ◼   ► Yep, just anything about the home pod

01:15:19 ◼   ► Because I wonder if they'll have a new one

01:15:22 ◼   ► Or if they've just given up because wasn't it originally announced at a WWDC

01:15:29 ◼   ► It as a teaser at the very end. Yes. Yeah, I

01:15:33 ◼   ► Mean, we've got to assume they haven't given up right already

01:15:37 ◼   ► surely up next that

01:15:42 ◼   ► The new iMac that is rumored is an Intel iMac not an ARM iMac. Yeah

01:15:49 ◼   ► I think we can all agree on that one

01:15:51 ◼   ► Lastly no Apple services bundle. I actually don't know if they're gonna talk about services at all

01:15:57 ◼   ► But I don't think we're gonna see a bundle at WWDC. I

01:15:59 ◼   ► Think it will come up services. Will you mean yeah, because I think they'll have Apple arcade game demos that show off new technologies

01:16:10 ◼   ► Right. I can't imagine them having a game that many game demos now that don't have at least one Apple Arcade title in it

01:16:18 ◼   ► That would surprise me

01:16:20 ◼   ► I mean

01:16:21 ◼   ► I think I think I ended up getting a pick wrong at some point because they in the September event did have non Apple Arcade

01:16:28 ◼   ► Game demos, so I think they'll still be a mix but I still think that they will also include those

01:16:32 ◼   ► and

01:16:34 ◼   ► I also like something that Jason said about like they might want to increase the

01:16:39 ◼   ► a free trial period on Apple TV Plus,

01:16:43 ◼   ► and they could use this as an opportunity to do that,

01:16:46 ◼   ► but it feels maybe more like September.

01:16:48 ◼   ► I think something will get mentioned.

01:16:50 ◼   ► I don't think we're gonna get the bundle now.

01:16:52 ◼   ► Bundle, I believe, is still coming,

01:16:54 ◼   ► but I don't think it's now.

01:16:55 ◼   ► - Myke, what are your flexies?

01:16:57 ◼   ► - I think the Arm Transition box will be a Mac Mini.

01:17:00 ◼   ► I like the transition kit.

01:17:02 ◼   ► - Yeah. - So I think it will be now.

01:17:04 ◼   ► I feel pretty confident about that.

01:17:05 ◼   ► I, so you remember earlier on,

01:17:09 ◼   ► I said that I had a pick that I thought was kind of like your time of flight one.

01:17:12 ◼   ► This is it.

01:17:14 ◼   ► I think that there will be developer tools for having more control of a refresh

01:17:19 ◼   ► rate of frame rate inside of applications.

01:17:21 ◼   ► So some kind of API or something, and they'll be able to reference like, Hey,

01:17:25 ◼   ► like promotion on the iPad,

01:17:27 ◼   ► but it will allow for developers to do more potentially around frame rate stuff.

01:17:32 ◼   ► Especially,

01:17:34 ◼   ► I think maybe this will be for game developers that they will be able to take

01:17:37 ◼   ► advantage of this in advance of the iPhone getting a higher refresh rate screen later

01:17:44 ◼   ► on in the year.

01:17:46 ◼   ► I also think there will be improved external display support for iPadOS.

01:17:50 ◼   ► Ooh, I hope so.

01:17:51 ◼   ► And a twofer with this is a new Apple display.

01:17:54 ◼   ► Yes!

01:17:55 ◼   ► Please.

01:17:56 ◼   ► I think there's going to be one.

01:17:59 ◼   ► Especially if they release that iMac, I think there will be a new display.

01:18:03 ◼   ► I worry how we're going to discover developer tools for having more control over refresh

01:18:08 ◼   ► rate.

01:18:09 ◼   ► It doesn't matter, does it?

01:18:10 ◼   ► If we don't find it, I don't care.

01:18:11 ◼   ► It's a flexi.

01:18:12 ◼   ► Like, it doesn't make a difference.

01:18:14 ◼   ► But I just think it could end up being in the Metal API or something.

01:18:18 ◼   ► I have a bunch of flexis.

01:18:20 ◼   ► So the first one, kind of meta.

01:18:23 ◼   ► My pick is about where the keynote will actually be held.

01:18:26 ◼   ► And I have this theory that I've shared, I think, with John on App Stories at some point.

01:18:31 ◼   ► Or maybe privately, I don't know.

01:18:33 ◼   ► I think the keynote will be held outside, not inside the Steve Jobs Theater.

01:18:38 ◼   ► I think it'll be held outside in the open, maybe on the stage that Apple usually uses

01:18:44 ◼   ► at Apple Park for concerts.

01:18:47 ◼   ► So I do think it'll be a better image...

01:18:49 ◼   ► The rainbow one, right?

01:18:50 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:18:51 ◼   ► I think it'll be a better image, especially right now, to show a socially distanced audience

01:18:57 ◼   ► of Apple engineers in the open, you know, fresh air, sunny day and all that, instead

01:19:04 ◼   ► of being closed indoors in a dark theater.

01:19:08 ◼   ► I think it'll be a better image, I think it could be fun, because of course it'd be different

01:19:12 ◼   ► and it's streamed online, so it will look like a live concert actually, but it's a developer

01:19:17 ◼   ► presentation and it would have, I guess, the same mood, maybe sort of a Google I/O conference,

01:19:23 ◼   ► which is held outside on a stage.

01:19:26 ◼   ► So that would be my first flexi, that it's gonna be held outside instead of indoors.

01:19:35 ◼   ► The other one, I think at least one major video game developer will be bringing their

01:19:43 ◼   ► an exclusive title to Apple Arcade.

01:19:46 ◼   ► We mentioned before how I stopped paying for Apple Arcade because I'm still waiting for

01:19:55 ◼   ► that triple A or at least very high profile game to fund its way to the service and I

01:20:01 ◼   ► think it would be a fun opportunity at WWDC to show Konami or Capcom or some other major

01:20:09 ◼   ► video game developer EA, some other major video game developer that we all know say

01:20:13 ◼   ► we're bringing this title exclusively to Apple Arcade and it's a big important high production

01:20:21 ◼   ► type of video game. Next up, WatchOS 7, in addition to sleep-checking features, gains

01:20:29 ◼   ► new mental health features. I think these were also previously rumored. I think it's

01:20:35 ◼   ► a good time, 2020, for Apple to expand their suite of mental health features on WatchOS.

01:20:43 ◼   ► They have the Breathe app, which of course is lovely, and Steven, you just had a very

01:20:47 ◼   ► good article about it on 512, so that was a very good story. I think they should do

01:20:53 ◼   ► more, I think they could do more in terms of, you know, managing your mental health

01:20:57 ◼   ► with a watch, and perhaps even with the iPhone. Now, shortcuts, I want to mention shortcuts,

01:21:04 ◼   ► couple of things for shortcuts. I want to believe that 2020 is the year that shortcuts

01:21:10 ◼   ► gains folders. Six years after the launch of Workflow, December 2014, I want to believe

01:21:18 ◼   ► that whenever iOS 14 will come out, October 2020, I don't know, but whenever that is,

01:21:25 ◼   ► I want to believe that shortcuts finally gains folders. So really, it's an obvious one.

01:21:31 ◼   ► And the other one would be that I would like to see a better integration with files in

01:21:38 ◼   ► So right now Shortcuts is of course very limited if you want to access a file from the Files app

01:21:45 ◼   ► without showing a document picker that you need to manually interact with. You're limited to storing those files in the

01:21:53 ◼   ► Shortcuts subdirectory of iCloud Drive, and I think it's time for Shortcuts to gain the option to deal with any file or any folder

01:22:02 ◼   ► programmatically, so without showing a UI from any location of the Files app.

01:22:07 ◼   ► And related to this, I would love it if bookmarks, so the files feature that allows you to create a temporary bookmark to a specific file or location, which we've seen in apps like working copy and scriptable for example.

01:22:23 ◼   ► example. It would be great if that feature was supported in third-party shortcuts as

01:22:29 ◼   ► well, because right now bookmarks that you create in Scriptable or Working Copy or other

01:22:34 ◼   ► apps you cannot use in Siri, you cannot use in Shortcuts Actions. So that limitation is

01:22:41 ◼   ► kind of weird and it should be lifted. Two more things, this is again an obvious one,

01:22:48 ◼   ► I would love it if you could lock your iPhone to portrait but still watch videos in landscape.

01:22:53 ◼   ► I think Christian Selig, the developer of Apollo, recently released this kind of feature

01:22:59 ◼   ► for the Reddit client Apollo, which is amazing, and I think it should be really a system feature.

01:23:05 ◼   ► It's been requested by people for years now.

01:23:10 ◼   ► Just let me use my iPhone in portrait, but when you detect that I'm playing a video,

01:23:14 ◼   ► just play it in landscape, because it's, you know, if the video, of course, is the kind

01:23:18 ◼   ► of video that you want to watch in landscape, I think it's kind of an obvious feature that

01:23:22 ◼   ► needs to happen at some point. And finally, I'd love a new deep and open framework. This

01:23:28 ◼   ► time it should be a notes framework for third-party developers. We have a reminders framework

01:23:38 ◼   ► so developers can make third-party reminders clients that do things that the reminders

01:23:43 ◼   ► app does not do. The reminders framework needs a lot of attention, hopefully gains new features

01:23:50 ◼   ► in iOS 14 because third-party developers still cannot implement most of the features that

01:23:54 ◼   ► they launched in Reminders last year, close parenthesis. I would love it if developers

01:24:00 ◼   ► could make Notes clients as well. So third-party apps that use Notes from Apple as their database.

01:24:07 ◼   ► I would love that so much. That would be really nice.

01:24:11 ◼   ► If someone just made the Notes app but without the paper background, I mean, I'd buy that.

01:24:19 ◼   ► Shut up and take my money basically.

01:24:20 ◼   ► Yes.

01:24:21 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:24:22 ◼   ► So those are my flexes.

01:24:25 ◼   ► I'm done.

01:24:26 ◼   ► It's good.

01:24:27 ◼   ► I think there's a lot of good stuff in here.

01:24:28 ◼   ► It's going to be fun.

01:24:29 ◼   ► I'm really excited about WWDC.

01:24:31 ◼   ► I'm sad.

01:24:32 ◼   ► We're not there.

01:24:33 ◼   ► I'm sad.

01:24:33 ◼   ► We're not getting to see people, but I'm really excited about what

01:24:35 ◼   ► Apple could have up its sleeve.

01:24:36 ◼   ► Yeah, me too.

01:24:38 ◼   ► I'm starting to hate that it's actually happening on Monday.

01:24:41 ◼   ► So yeah.

01:24:43 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:24:43 ◼   ► Real quick before we go, we are going to wrap up our anticipating WWDC.

01:24:49 ◼   ► series. This actually was in the document I think last week and it got kicked. Anyways,

01:24:53 ◼   ► these aren't predictions even though we just spent two hours doing that. These are just

01:24:57 ◼   ► things we'd like to see. So we talked about various platforms and today we're going to talk

01:25:02 ◼   ► about Apple's cloud services. And I think I was the one who suggested this. We're like,

01:25:07 ◼   ► "Is there enough stuff here?" And then we realized, "Yeah, there's a lot of stuff. There's a lot of

01:25:12 ◼   ► of stuff here to talk about. So I'll start with mine. Every year I want Apple

01:25:17 ◼   ► to add family sharing to photos where my spouse or someone in my family could

01:25:24 ◼   ► select albums or something in photos to share with me without having to do the

01:25:30 ◼   ► shared photo stream or iCloud links where I could just have access to their

01:25:34 ◼   ► their library or a subset of it just like Google Photos does. I think a lot of

01:25:39 ◼   ► people want this. It's important that you have privacy controls and you

01:25:42 ◼   ► understand what you're sharing, but I think this would be huge for a lot of

01:25:45 ◼   ► people, a lot of families. Yeah, it seems like it's something that they could

01:25:49 ◼   ► find a way to do. People will be happy if they did it. Like, it feels totally doable.

01:25:53 ◼   ► My next one is better server-side rules for iCloud email. I use Gmail for my

01:25:59 ◼   ► personal email because of server-side rules, and you can run mail on the Mac

01:26:04 ◼   ► and just leave it open all the time, and it has pretty good mail rules, but a lot

01:26:07 ◼   ► of people don't have Macs. A lot of people don't have Macs that are running

01:26:09 ◼   ► all the time. And what you can do on iCloud.com is extremely basic. And I

01:26:13 ◼   ► think they need to port what the Mac Mail app can do to the the server side

01:26:19 ◼   ► of it. And that way you would have those rules automatically applied to all of

01:26:22 ◼   ► your devices as mail comes in. More Dropbox like features in iCloud, mainly

01:26:29 ◼   ► file request. So in Dropbox it has this feature where you can create a link and

01:26:34 ◼   ► send it to somebody and it says hey please upload your files here you don't

01:26:37 ◼   ► have to add them to a shared folder or anything. This is huge for those of us

01:26:41 ◼   ► who share files all the time with people we don't normally work with. And then

01:26:45 ◼   ► public links to downloads. So I'm sure we've done we've all done this too, right?

01:26:49 ◼   ► You need to send somebody something, you put it in your Dropbox and you send them

01:26:52 ◼   ► a link. These are basic features in file sharing platforms that iCloud should

01:26:57 ◼   ► have. And then lastly is that in the root level of iCloud Drive you have folders

01:27:04 ◼   ► for a bunch of apps. I would like all of those to be put into a single folder called apps. So when

01:27:10 ◼   ► I open my cloud drive, I don't have to scan through 30 app folders to find my documents folder that

01:27:16 ◼   ► all the app stuff is contained in one place. Again, you can do this on Dropbox, you can do this on

01:27:23 ◼   ► other platforms. But it really jumps up the view of iCloud Drive and you're trying to find something

01:27:28 ◼   ► and instead I got to sort through a bunch of pages and pixel mater and mind node and all these other

01:27:34 ◼   ► folders. Would that one be that there would still be a folder called apps and inside that folder

01:27:39 ◼   ► would be other apps? Yeah, yeah that's fine just get it out of the main view is what I'm asking.

01:27:44 ◼   ► Sometimes you need to go into there but a lot of times you don't and so they I think the structure

01:27:48 ◼   ► still has to be there but I don't think it has to populate the the main the root level. Yeah you see

01:27:54 ◼   ► I just don't like the apps folder thing in general. I don't I don't either but that part of that is

01:28:00 ◼   ► legacy. And yeah, I, I don't subscribe to the app first. And then the document model, which is the

01:28:07 ◼   ► reason I don't do a ton of work on my iPad. But if you got to keep it, at least make it where those

01:28:12 ◼   ► of us who want to use iCloud drive more like Dropbox can have a better experience. Okay, so

01:28:17 ◼   ► mine are everything that's even said, plus, oh, we have real time follow up, guys, you can totally

01:28:25 ◼   ► share a link to an iCloud file.

01:28:28 ◼   ► They're doing it in the Discord right now.

01:28:30 ◼   ► - That was useful.

01:28:32 ◼   ► - I guess we can retract that.

01:28:33 ◼   ► Thank you, kilesthegray.

01:28:35 ◼   ► - Yeah, I mean, it's not,

01:28:37 ◼   ► I mean, I think the last time I tried this,

01:28:40 ◼   ► it's not the most elegant way to create the link.

01:28:43 ◼   ► It's definitely not as easy

01:28:44 ◼   ► as when you create a link with Dropbox.

01:28:47 ◼   ► So maybe a simplification of that process would be nice.

01:28:50 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:28:51 ◼   ► - Because it's, you know,

01:28:52 ◼   ► And of course you don't get any of those advanced statistics

01:28:57 ◼   ► that you get with Dropbox.

01:28:58 ◼   ► I think you can see who accessed the file,

01:29:00 ◼   ► you can see the activity, all that sort of information

01:29:03 ◼   ► you do not get with iCloud Drive.

01:29:05 ◼   ► - And this is kind of gross.

01:29:07 ◼   ► I clicked the link and Mac OS said,

01:29:09 ◼   ► "Do you want to open this?"

01:29:10 ◼   ► And then it added a copy of it again to the root level

01:29:14 ◼   ► of my iCloud Drive and then opened it in preview.

01:29:16 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's really not well done.

01:29:17 ◼   ► It's not as polished as Dropbox.

01:29:20 ◼   ► So that is technically possible,

01:29:22 ◼   ► but it would be so much better

01:29:23 ◼   ► if it was a little more elegant, a little more polished.

01:29:26 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:29:27 ◼   ► - So everything you said,

01:29:28 ◼   ► plus some other additions that I have,

01:29:31 ◼   ► for files, I would love it if you could easily

01:29:35 ◼   ► see and restore deleted files from my cloud drive

01:29:41 ◼   ► without having to go to the web app.

01:29:43 ◼   ► - Yes.

01:29:44 ◼   ► - So, right, you can restore files

01:29:47 ◼   ► that you may have accidentally deleted,

01:29:48 ◼   ► but if you want to do that, you need to use iCloud.com,

01:29:52 ◼   ► which I don't think it's the right approach.

01:29:54 ◼   ► And also, there needs to be built-in system-wide versioning,

01:29:59 ◼   ► so support for viewing versions of files.

01:30:04 ◼   ► The versions API has been available

01:30:06 ◼   ► for iCloud Drive for a long time.

01:30:08 ◼   ► MindNode, IA Writer, I think these apps

01:30:11 ◼   ► that work with iCloud Drive have supported versions

01:30:14 ◼   ► for a long time now.

01:30:16 ◼   ► However, the problem is that while the Finder

01:30:18 ◼   ► has on the Mac as native support for versions.

01:30:22 ◼   ► Any document based app on the Mac,

01:30:25 ◼   ► I think you can, you know, there's a menu,

01:30:27 ◼   ► you can click the document in the title bar

01:30:30 ◼   ► and you can see versions with a native UI.

01:30:33 ◼   ► It's provided by Apple.

01:30:34 ◼   ► And I think the same UI should exist on iOS

01:30:37 ◼   ► and iPadOS in files.

01:30:39 ◼   ► It shouldn't be something that third-party developers

01:30:41 ◼   ► need to support and to have like their own versions viewer.

01:30:46 ◼   ► It should be a system control.

01:30:48 ◼   ► It should be a system element.

01:30:51 ◼   ► So view versions for files

01:30:52 ◼   ► and easily restore deleted files.

01:30:55 ◼   ► Then I have a bunch of random additions

01:30:59 ◼   ► in terms of services.

01:31:00 ◼   ► I mean, the bundle we mentioned before,

01:31:03 ◼   ► I would love to see a bundle

01:31:04 ◼   ► that includes all cloud services together.

01:31:06 ◼   ► That would be one way for me

01:31:07 ◼   ► to start paying for Apple Arcade again, I guess.

01:31:10 ◼   ► It would be advantageous for me to do so.

01:31:14 ◼   ► The next one is kind of odd, maybe.

01:31:17 ◼   ► I would like to see Apple News integration in music.

01:31:21 ◼   ► Let me explain.

01:31:23 ◼   ► I don't like Apple News.

01:31:25 ◼   ► I would like it more if there was music.

01:31:28 ◼   ► I do like the idea, don't make fun of me.

01:31:31 ◼   ► I do like the principle of the idea behind

01:31:36 ◼   ► what Apple did a couple of years ago

01:31:38 ◼   ► with business news in stocks.

01:31:41 ◼   ► And I know that everybody makes fun of stocks

01:31:44 ◼   ► for good reasons. However, the idea of "let's take very specific content and

01:31:52 ◼   ► show you related articles and stories from the web by using our Apple News

01:31:58 ◼   ► Engine". So imagine if an Apple Music, and this would be totally optional of course,

01:32:03 ◼   ► but imagine if you could find music news and reviews for an album, maybe you want

01:32:09 ◼   ► to learn more, maybe you want to read an interview with a band, and you could find

01:32:13 ◼   ► that content may be hidden away in a section inside music that is however powered by Apple

01:32:18 ◼   ► News. And of course it would be relevant, the music that you actually listen to, and

01:32:23 ◼   ► I just think it would be a fun idea to have, you know, to extract some of that content

01:32:28 ◼   ► from Apple News and apply it to Apple Music, to let you spend more time, of course, in

01:32:33 ◼   ► Apple Music, and to let you find out more about your favorite artists and, again, read

01:32:39 ◼   ► reviews and all that kind of stuff. Speaking of Apple Music, playlist collaboration, I

01:32:45 ◼   ► think it's kind of very strange that this hasn't happened yet. It's been a feature in

01:32:50 ◼   ► Spotify for, I want to say, since the beginning of Spotify maybe, like you've been able to

01:32:55 ◼   ► collaborate on playlists for, with other people for a long time. And right now you cannot

01:33:01 ◼   ► have a collaborative playlist in Apple Music. You can create the playlist and share it with

01:33:05 ◼   ► others, but other people cannot put songs into the playlist. So, collaborative playlists for Apple

01:33:12 ◼   ► Music. More diverse content in Apple Arcade, I keep mentioning this, I'm kind of tired of

01:33:17 ◼   ► family-friendly puzzle games and platformers, you know, like 2D or 2.5D platformers.

01:33:25 ◼   ► There are so many of those games on Apple Arcade and I would like to see more diverse,

01:33:30 ◼   ► you know, immature or maybe just different kinds of games on Apple Arcade.

01:33:35 ◼   ► I think diversification would be very good there.

01:33:38 ◼   ► And the last one, again, speaking of shortcuts and Apple Music,

01:33:42 ◼   ► and a proper Apple Music API integration in shortcuts.

01:33:46 ◼   ► I shouldn't have to use, as much as I love the app,

01:33:49 ◼   ► but I shouldn't have to use Toolbox Pro to have integration with the Apple Music online API in shortcuts.

01:33:56 ◼   ► So let me look up any song or any artist or any album from the Apple Music Online catalog.

01:34:03 ◼   ► Let me find songs and queue them for playback on iOS using shortcuts.

01:34:09 ◼   ► Let me rate and love songs.

01:34:12 ◼   ► Let me fetch the lyrics of a song.

01:34:14 ◼   ► You know, all that kind of stuff.

01:34:16 ◼   ► You could say deep and open integration with the Apple Music API.

01:34:19 ◼   ► I wouldn't mind, you know, but that sort of integration with shortcuts would be very nice.

01:34:24 ◼   ► Alright, my list is in-app purchases shared across family plans.

01:34:29 ◼   ► Mmm-hmm.

01:34:30 ◼   ► Okay, yeah, I totally agree.

01:34:33 ◼   ► Home screen syncing across iOS and iPadOS devices.

01:34:37 ◼   ► Yes please.

01:34:38 ◼   ► Okay.

01:34:39 ◼   ► Obviously I know this is a feature in tvOS because I'm the tvOS guy after all.

01:34:44 ◼   ► Also I wrote it in the document.

01:34:45 ◼   ► I wrote-

01:34:46 ◼   ► No, I knew it anyway.

01:34:47 ◼   ► You didn't need to tell me.

01:34:48 ◼   ► Steven, colon, tvOS already has this.

01:34:50 ◼   ► I already knew it.

01:34:51 ◼   ► You didn't need to tell me.

01:34:53 ◼   ► didn't write in a document doesn't mean I didn't know it. I knew it. It's one of the

01:34:56 ◼   ► reasons that made me think of this thing. It's like, oh yeah, tvOS has that. So I would

01:35:00 ◼   ► like it if I have two iPads. I would like it if their home screen synced. It would be

01:35:04 ◼   ► great because then I wouldn't have to do manual management of it. I would like revised storage

01:35:09 ◼   ► options with more space for less money because that's just something they should always be

01:35:14 ◼   ► doing. Better iCloud backups. I want everything stored. I want to make new device switching

01:35:21 ◼   ► easier so like I don't ever have to put passwords into anything. Just maybe make a snapshot,

01:35:26 ◼   ► keep it that one time as soon as I've installed the new device, delete it. I don't care what you

01:35:32 ◼   ► have to do, just make it better. Always make that better. New devices, it should always be better to

01:35:37 ◼   ► make that transfer. And like even content, right? Like I don't want to have to re-download all my

01:35:42 ◼   ► music and all my podcasts and third-party apps again. Like the phone knows what I have on it,

01:35:47 ◼   ► like allow me to do something to help that transition.

01:35:51 ◼   ► I would really like appreciate that. I don't know how you could do it.

01:35:55 ◼   ► I don't know if I maybe need to connect devices by a cable.

01:35:58 ◼   ► I don't care what it is like, but because it's that one time thing, right?

01:36:02 ◼   ► You get a new iPhone rather than spending multiple days setting it up

01:36:06 ◼   ► or realizing like days later that, oh, no, I don't have this thing set up

01:36:11 ◼   ► the way that it was set up before.

01:36:12 ◼   ► Like making that one time transition better would be amazing.

01:36:17 ◼   ► um and funnily enough in my uh thing here is third-party notes app using the notes app database

01:36:24 ◼   ► and syncing hooray so great minds think alike so we're done i think so that's that's all that's

01:36:32 ◼   ► the show we've anticipated wwdc we have picked our ricks we're good to go so we'll be back next week

01:36:39 ◼   ► with the crowning of the the new but maybe existing keynote chairman no probably existing

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01:37:35 ◼   ► shows here on Relay. Myke, you and Jason will be doing upgrade after the keynote on

01:37:40 ◼   ► Monday. I always love those first, you know, kind of feedback hot take

01:37:46 ◼   ► episodes, so looking forward to that. Yeah, we're gonna be going live basically as

01:37:50 ◼   ► soon as the keynote is over. Awesome. One of the best ways to experience the

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01:38:17 ◼   ► great place for that. You can find Federico on Twitter @EveTichiVITICCI

01:38:22 ◼   ► and knowing the Mac Stories crew they're gonna have great coverage next week. I

01:38:27 ◼   ► love the roundups y'all do of like everything you need to know about fill

01:38:31 ◼   ► the blank. I love those roundups so I'm looking forward to those. Yeah we're

01:38:34 ◼   ► gonna do those and we're gonna do a bunch of actual stuff for App Stories so

01:38:40 ◼   ► it's definitely gonna be a busy busy week. Yes yeah next week is gonna be

01:38:44 ◼   ► exhausting and then after WDC I get to go on vacation so I'm looking forward to

01:38:49 ◼   ► that. You can find me on Twitter as @ismh and my writing at 512pixels.net. I'd like

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01:39:02 ◼   ► next time, episode 300, gentlemen. Say goodbye.

01:39:06 ◼   ► Arrivederci. Cheerio. Love you, bye.