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0:00:17My name is Stephen Hackett
0:00:18and I am joined by Mr. Federico Fatici.
0:00:21- Hello, Stephen.
0:00:22Hi, how are you?
0:00:23- I'm good, how are you today?
0:00:25- I'm good, yes.
0:00:26- Yeah?
0:00:27Let's see if we can keep this trend up.
0:00:28Myke, how are you?
0:00:30- Bonjourno.
0:00:31- Okay, okay.
0:00:34Why?
0:00:35Care to explain?
0:00:36- Just that sometimes I hear your voice and I get inspired.
0:00:41- I thought you missed Europe already.
0:00:42- And I wished I was, that's, I can't believe you'd do that.
0:00:46- Wait, was that a Brexit?
0:00:47- I can't believe you would do that to me.
0:00:49- I'm sorry, I love you.
0:00:50- Why would you do that?
0:00:51Why would you do that?
0:00:52- It just came out. - What is wrong with you?
0:00:54- It just fell off my tongue.
0:00:56Why would you... you know what happened on my birthday?
0:00:59Happy birthday!
0:01:01I'm so sorry.
0:01:02Why would you do that? I just went through like my first passport check, you know?
0:01:08I apologize.
0:01:09Coming from Europe into England. Nothing's changed. People think it's changed. Nothing's changed yet. Nothing will change, but...
0:01:15You're not eating your children yet or, you know?
0:01:18No, no, no. Things are gonna change, but like, not for a long time, if anything, ever.
0:01:23it's still terrible. I can't believe you'd do that to me. Why is this how we're starting
0:01:26the show now? You just remind me of Brexit. No, I regret the error. Yeah. I wish I could
0:01:32take it back. Federico Fattucci Enterprises apologizes for the error. I am sorry if I
0:01:37cost you any inconvenience. Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure. Speaking of inconvenience, can we
0:01:47talk about Twitter for iPad? Do we have to? Yeah, they fixed it! Well, they quote unquote
0:01:55fixed it by going back, well by offering it. So we complained about the Twitter for iPad
0:02:02at length over multiple weeks. Over multiple weeks and there was a whole, you could call
0:02:07it a whole campaign on Twitter of connected listeners sending us ideas for how to get
0:02:14rid of the Twitter sidebar, and some very enterprising listeners actually wrote their
0:02:20own apps to fill, very famously Filler, of course is an entire new category of apps that
0:02:28fill one side of the screen with useful or not so useful content. Now, the Twitter team
0:02:35seems to have caught on the criticism, and they rolled out, I think a few days ago, an
0:02:42option in Settings, so if you go to your Twitter, you open the Twitter app, you go to your Twitter
0:02:48account settings, and you choose Display, I believe it's the section, you can now find
0:02:55Toggle that lets you disable the search column, which is the sidebar containing the trends
0:03:01and the hashtags that we were complaining about.
0:03:04And when you flip that switch, the search column goes away, and you effectively revert
0:03:10to the old design of Twitter for iPad, which is not a good design, by the way,
0:03:14because it's a it's such a wasted space.
0:03:17Now, this this should like, you know, all of the people that were working on
0:03:22things to put on the sidebar, you can still do this like,
0:03:25but make these useful, right?
0:03:28Like so, you know, we were talking about have like an iOS app or whatever
0:03:32that can let you save tweets and do something with them.
0:03:35You could still work on those because we could still
0:03:39It would still be great to have some kind of like dedicated app that lives on the right hand side to actually make Twitter more useful.
0:03:46But I'm just super happy about this because now I don't have to ever worry about seeing the trends that I don't want to see.
0:03:55It's great. I'm so happy about it.
0:03:57Genuinely, I'm very happy that Twitter have done this.
0:04:03I'm very surprised that they did this because this doesn't make sense for them because they
0:04:10are very clearly, they want the searches and the trends because they want people clicking
0:04:15on them, right?
0:04:16Drive that hashtag engagement.
0:04:17But they've obviously, I'm just genuinely, I'm thankful that they have listened to the
0:04:22complaints of their users, which is for a company of their size or whatever, it's not
0:04:27something that I would have expected.
0:04:28So I am genuinely really thankful that they have made this change because it is genuinely
0:04:36like them caring about user experience over engagement.
0:04:42So I am surprised they have done this and whoever did it, especially if that person
0:04:46is a connected listener, I am very thankful that they have made that change.
0:04:51So I appreciate it.
0:04:52Yes, we are thankful and I want to, I agree with Myke.
0:04:57still have work to do, but I do appreciate the fact that there's now an option, because
0:05:03maybe some people liked the search column, but I'm guessing that most iPad users didn't,
0:05:10so I'm glad that it's now possible to disable that. Thank you for listening. That said,
0:05:16I still believe that Twitter for iPad app has a lot of untapped potential in terms of
0:05:20taking advantage of the screen. Just today I retweeted a very quick concept by one of
0:05:27the developers of Lookup, the dictionary app for iPhone and iPad. Its name is Vidit, and
0:05:34Vidit put together a very... it's a quick mockup, it's a quick concept, it's not like
0:05:42a full-on concept video or anything, just a single animation. But it shows you how,
0:05:50On the iPad, the Twitter app could let you tap on a tweet and that tweet would create
0:05:56a panel on the right side of the screen and it would sort of fly in from the right side
0:06:00so that you could expand the tweet to see more details and follow the conversation and
0:06:05engage with the retweet and like buttons and basically get more details out of that tweet.
0:06:12And I was looking at that concept and I thought, "Well, this looks familiar."
0:06:16And then I realized, oh, this is what the original Twitter for iPad designed.
0:06:21He's made a new version of the original.
0:06:23It used to be.
0:06:24The OG Twitter for iPad app, which had all those sliding panels.
0:06:29But it was like super weird.
0:06:32But it was weird.
0:06:34No, no, no.
0:06:35Like, it was weird.
0:06:36Right?
0:06:37Super weird though.
0:06:38I mean...
0:06:39It was.
0:06:40There was nothing else like it.
0:06:41I remember at the time, this was...
0:06:43It was just like...
0:06:44Yes.
0:06:45confusing and but ultimately useful application but I remember at the time many people including
0:06:53myself thought that it was a very strange design for an iPad app at the time but look
0:07:00you know what Federico they don't need to do any of this if they just implement multi-window
0:07:04I know then it's great right like let's just do multi-window yeah just do multi-window
0:07:09you don't need to come up with your own design unique animations just support multiple windows
0:07:14and in one window I can keep the timeline, and in another I can keep whatever I want.
0:07:19Maybe I just want to stare at my profile all day. Maybe I just want a window with Myke's
0:07:23profile and look at Myke's tweets and followers, you know? I should be able to do that if I
0:07:28want to. It's the principle of it. So anyway, we are glad that the Twitter for iPad app
0:07:35was fixed. Why is there an item that says "Google AMP versus teaching" in our document?
0:07:41Well, some people were unhappy with your take on AMP,
0:07:47and I wanted you to have a chance to address that.
0:07:50And there was a shortcut that uses JavaScript
0:07:55to load the full URL if you end up on an AMP page,
0:07:59which was cool.
0:08:00And I was hoping that you had taken that for a drive
0:08:02and could tell us about it.
0:08:04Yeah, I mean, and the person who made the shortcut,
0:08:08Louis works at Apple and I believe works on the team that made this integration happen,
0:08:14so they would know how to use this. I was sort of hoping this would be the kind of feedback
0:08:19we would get. Yes, this is a perfect example of the advantage of being able to run JavaScript
0:08:26in Safari. You can now do things like loading the canonical URL of the canonical URL will
0:08:32will be the real URL of a web page,
0:08:35and loading that in the current window.
0:08:39Instead of having to tap the little icon in the AMP toolbar,
0:08:44you can just run it from the share sheet, which
0:08:46means you can just keep your thumb
0:08:47at the bottom of the screen.
0:08:49You don't need to reach out and find
0:08:50the tiny icon in the upper corner,
0:08:53especially if you have a big phone.
0:08:54I think this is so much more convenient.
0:08:58Also, I was reminded that Safari tries
0:09:02to find the canonical URL as much as possible.
0:09:07For example, in search results, if you long
0:09:11press to get the context menu preview of a web page--
0:09:15so if you long press on a search result,
0:09:18Safari will try to load the preview for the canonical URL,
0:09:22for the canonical web page.
0:09:24So the preview will be the non-AMP version.
0:09:27And if you expand the preview, it
0:09:29should take you directly to the non-AMP canonical web page.
0:09:33But if you just tap on a search result,
0:09:36then Google will take over, and it'll show you the AMP web
0:09:39page instead.
0:09:40So the shortcut is amazing.
0:09:41Thank you, Louis.
0:09:42And thank you-- we got a bunch of other versions,
0:09:44but I wanted to link this one, because it
0:09:47feels like it's coming directly from the source.
0:09:51So the criticism that we got--
0:09:54I mean, what's the criticism?
0:09:57I would like at this point in the show to make a point of order.
0:10:00So like there's this, I like the thought here,
0:10:04somebody at Apple tried their best to give you the proper URL, right?
0:10:08In the share sheet or whatever,
0:10:09because they think that maybe amp isn't that great.
0:10:12I would like to raise the point of order of Apple news links because your boy
0:10:17over here deleted Apple news from his phone because he doesn't want to have to
0:10:23deal with headlines popping up all over the place, you know? It's difficult. So you play
0:10:30whack-a-mole with turning it off, right?
0:10:32So your boy is you?
0:10:35Your boy is me, yeah, yeah.
0:10:36Okay, yeah.
0:10:37Um, because I'm your boy, right? Who else would it be?
0:10:40Yeah, yes, you're my boy.
0:10:41Could have been Casey.
0:10:42Well, yeah, but I said over here as well.
0:10:45I don't know where Casey is.
0:10:46Well, that's true, actually. Nobody does.
0:10:47Casey there?
0:10:48He could be anywhere, nobody knows. But anyway, so I deleted Apple News. So if somebody has
0:10:53an Apple news link and I tap that link all I get is the prompt of you should just reinstall
0:10:59Apple news. It's like well no how about you give me a way to go to the website instead
0:11:06but no. So if somebody tweets an Apple news link the best I can do is Google the headline
0:11:12because I can't do it there's nothing else I can do with it so thanks. That really shouldn't
0:11:18be a thing, right? Like, I feel like I should be able to get the URL some way, and I find
0:11:24it very frustrating.
0:11:26Now that you mention Apple News, we are in the process of, and I'm sure that I will annoy
0:11:34some people, but we are in the process of...
0:11:37Like me, probably.
0:11:38No, not at all. Honestly, I think you won't care.
0:11:44But we are in the process of removing the Apple News integration from Mac Stories.
0:11:48Although that makes me happier.
0:11:50Oh, OK.
0:11:51It does?
0:11:52Well, yeah, because I don't ever want to have to do with it.
0:11:54Right?
0:11:55Well, yeah, I mean, I don't think
0:11:56you were reading Mac stories in Apple News anyway.
0:11:58Well, I began because I didn't have it installed.
0:12:01Yeah.
0:12:01So we're doing it mostly for us because the plugin
0:12:04that we're using to enable Apple News integration-- well,
0:12:08first of all, you know my stance on plugins in general
0:12:13and external dependencies.
0:12:15I like to control my stuff as much as possible.
0:12:18But really, the plugin was slowing down our CMS
0:12:23by a considerable amount.
0:12:25Like, every time we were here in Publish,
0:12:27we had to wait like 20 seconds, for example, for an article
0:12:33to actually tweet via the Mac Stories account.
0:12:36And it often led, especially with long articles,
0:12:39publishing to Apple News with the Apple News format,
0:12:42it often led to slow loading times and errors
0:12:47And it's just not a good experience.
0:12:50But really, nobody's using it.
0:12:53We can look at our stats.
0:12:55And Mac Stories readers, they read Mac Stories
0:12:57either via RSS or via the website.
0:13:00And the amount of people, the number of people
0:13:03that we're getting from Apple News
0:13:05is a very, very, very low amount that is smaller, surprisingly,
0:13:11than Flipboard.
0:13:13We have--
0:13:13What?
0:13:14I guess-- yeah.
0:13:15Flipboard is to this day still one of our top referrals after of course Google and Twitter.
0:13:22Weren't you like really highly rated in Flipboard?
0:13:26Wasn't there like a thing? I seem to remember that.
0:13:29So we're talking seven years ago maybe like a cur- like a curator.
0:13:35Yeah.
0:13:36But I think what you're thinking of is I had also like I was a recommended user in pocket,
0:13:43so maybe we are confusing the two things.
0:13:45I don't know, but I was a Flipboard curator or something, I don't know.
0:13:50Still, we got more people from Flipboard than from Apple News.
0:13:53So, but from Flipboard, we don't have to do anything.
0:13:57It just, Flipboard takes our RSS feed and creates a, you know,
0:14:01a magazine-like layout or whatever.
0:14:03Apple News, if you want to use Apple News format,
0:14:06requires you to have either to hand code your integration
0:14:10or to use a plugin, and the plugin is terrible,
0:14:12so we don't want to invest on manual integration because it's not worth it. So what we're going
0:14:18to do is what basically every website does, we're going back to the standard RSS mirroring
0:14:23from our website to Apple News. Your icon is so old on Flipboard. Oh yeah? It's like
0:14:29a million generations of Mac stories old. It's like a... Oh it's the grey one? The grey
0:14:36one with the shadows and like the weirdly placed M.
0:14:41Look at that, we got 65,000 followers.
0:14:44That's why.
0:14:45That's more than we have on Twitter.
0:14:47Yeah.
0:14:48For Mac stories.
0:14:49People want that sweet flipboard content.
0:14:52So yeah, I mean, it's just not worth it, you know?
0:14:57And I know that there's a few Apple News format diehards out there.
0:15:04like "Yeah, if you don't support the Apple News format, I will stop reading Mac stories."
0:15:08And that's fine. Like, if you stop reading Mac stories because we don't support your
0:15:12favorite proprietary type of format, maybe you don't really like Mac stories, maybe you
0:15:17don't really like what you do, so I'm fine with losing you as a reader, honestly. So
0:15:21I just want to make sure that the website works fast and causes no technical issues
0:15:28for us, and really I gotta invest my time and resources where the people are. Therefore,
0:15:35it makes the most sense for us to get rid of this integration. We tested it for a couple
0:15:39of years, didn't really work out, and it's fine. We'll go back to... You'll still be
0:15:43able to find, in theory, Mac stories in Apple News, but it'll just be the standard RSS-powered
0:15:50look for blogs who have a basic Apple News channel. That's it.
0:15:55OK, so you'll be able to still get the stuff, but it's not going to have all the fancy formatting
0:15:59effectively.
0:16:00Which is not that fancy, really.
0:16:02That's true.
0:16:03I mean, Mac Stories has a full text RSS feed anyway.
0:16:07It's not like if we go back to RSS in Apple News, you will get less content.
0:16:14You still get the full text.
0:16:15You still get the images.
0:16:17I guess you won't get some fancy animations and, I don't know, the ability to change.
0:16:22I mean, yeah, you will still be able to change the font size.
0:16:24Yeah, okay. You're not doing the animations though, are you?
0:16:27No, we're not. So really, what we were getting were like the sections,
0:16:33like there were some special formatting for like pull quotes and that kind of stuff,
0:16:37but really it's not worth it. Honestly, I don't even know why I really wanted to test this,
0:16:41because I guess I wanted to give it a fair shot and at the time it seemed like it was going to be
0:16:46a big deal. Turns out my feeling on these proprietary platforms is always correct and I
0:16:51I should always listen to myself. These things never work out. So yeah, going back to RSS.
0:16:58Good old trusted RSS.
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0:18:22- I have some really important real-time follow-up, guys.
0:18:25And I guess this is a thing that will follow us
0:18:27throughout today's episode.
0:18:30So Apple just released the betas of iOS 13.4,
0:18:34iPadOS 13.4, Xcode 11.4.
0:18:37- Oh, it's my favorite.
0:18:38- And watchOS and Mac, well, hold on.
0:18:40I mentioned it for a reason.
0:18:42So on iOS, it looks like folder sharing is back
0:18:46with iCloud drive.
0:18:47- That will last for another 0.1 beta.
0:18:50- File pinning is not.
0:18:53So you can still, you can now share a folder.
0:18:56You can still not pin files to the top of a folder.
0:19:01- Over the weekend, a friend of the show,
0:19:04brother of the show really, John Voorhees,
0:19:07sent us a screenshot
0:19:10of a file name called test36,520.txt.
0:19:19This was something that he said to us had been replicating.
0:19:24A file had been replicating, and it was up to iteration 36,520.
0:19:30This was a file that was a test document in a shared folder
0:19:35that him and Federico have in iCloud Drive,
0:19:37and he just randomly caught it.
0:19:39So that was the state of my drive over the summer, that for some reason this file had
0:19:46replicated itself only on June 12th, 36,000 times.
0:19:50So hoping they're testing it strong over there.
0:19:53I bet it's John's fault.
0:19:55It's always John's fault.
0:19:56John has the weirdest bugs of anyone I've ever met.
0:20:01Right?
0:20:02Go figure.
0:20:03Do you remember the thing?
0:20:04to myself thinking about the shopping list problem that he had.
0:20:09Oh my god.
0:20:14I think about it a lot. I actually can't remember the last time I laughed so hard. I will find
0:20:21this and put it in the show notes. I will also provide real-time follow-up once I have
0:20:27found this and then I will read the shopping grocery list. But yeah, okay.
0:20:33- Okay, so as I was saying,
0:20:35there's a big news related to Xcode 11.4.
0:20:40Coming directly from really friend of the show,
0:20:44Steve Trout and Smith,
0:20:46developers can now create a universal purchase
0:20:50for Mac and iOS apps.
0:20:53One purchase, both the Mac app and the iOS app together.
0:20:57- That seems early.
0:20:59That was supposed to come out in two years, I believe,
0:21:04in the Catalyst roadmap.
0:21:06It was not supposed to come out now.
0:21:08So if you have a Mac Catalyst app,
0:21:11you can now, in Xcode 11.4,
0:21:14you can mark it as a universal purchase
0:21:18and you can distribute it as a universal purchase
0:21:20so that you can buy an app once.
0:21:24So you buy it on the iPhone, and if it's universal,
0:21:26you get it on the iPad and you get it on the Mac.
0:21:29That is big news if you use Catalyst.
0:21:32And again, in the original report from Gorman
0:21:36back when Catalyst was called Marzipan,
0:21:39I believe this was supposed to be a 2021 feature.
0:21:41Yeah, so.
0:21:44- This, it just doesn't really make sense
0:21:48as to why you would do this now.
0:21:54It's a pretty big burn if you're, you know, you bought a Mac app separately
0:21:58already because this stuff's only been out for what is it, like four or five
0:22:01months. But maybe they're just not happy with how little action there's been.
0:22:07Or maybe they've heard from developers saying this is holding us up.
0:22:10So I don't know.
0:22:11This is one of those things that's funny to me of like, why would this hold
0:22:17people up? Like, do you think that there are that many developers that are
0:22:22like, oh, I can't do this because of my customers have to pay again.
0:22:25So I won't even think about it.
0:22:26I mean, I think that most developers actually want the opposite.
0:22:30I don't know. I'm just kind of.
0:22:31This that's what I'm thinking, right? Which is it's strange to me.
0:22:35I assume some people would, especially subscription apps.
0:22:40Right. Right. Because that's that's a bit more of a problem I would expect.
0:22:45Which is the majority of or if it's not the majority of apps is definitely where things are going.
0:22:50Yeah, I don't know. It is early. And why would this be in a beta point release?
0:22:57Why not wait at least until June? Even if you're going to be early and have it at
0:23:01WWC where you can talk to developers about it, it seems very odd that it's just kind of lumped in with these other changes.
0:23:07It's enabled by default for new MANT catalyst apps.
0:23:11That's wild.
0:23:12Yeah, it's enabled by default for catalyst. I don't think you have to use catalyst.
0:23:16I think it's enabled by default for those though, which makes sense
0:23:19because if you have a catalyst app, it's also very likely that you have an
0:23:22iPhone and iPad version. Right.
0:23:24Not many people are like Steve John Smith who wrote a Solitaire app
0:23:27in Catalyst without an iPhone version.
0:23:30But this is interesting, right?
0:23:32Because I know you were saying this, but I'm reading it again myself.
0:23:34Like some of the text talks about just Mac OS app,
0:23:38like not even Catalyst.
0:23:42So, I mean, we don't notice, right?
0:23:44because we're just like reading this it's happening right now but it seems
0:23:47like potentially you may be able to just have a Mac app with a universal purchase
0:23:53now which is fascinating. As long as you use like the same bundle ID even if you don't
0:24:00use catalyst say for example I'm just imagining things here but like the icon
0:24:05factory folks for Twitterrific on the Mac which is a standard AppKit app in
0:24:09theory and again in theory they should be able to offer a single universal
0:24:14And I know that maybe the icon factory folks do not like universal apps, but to prove a
0:24:19point.
0:24:20Like even if you have a standard Mac app, you should be able to have a universal purchase
0:24:24that you buy once and effectively it runs everywhere.
0:24:28Which is really one of the big features that we were, you know, two years ago and last
0:24:34year we thought, oh yeah, Catalyst is going to enable this.
0:24:37And eventually Apple platforms are going down this road of a single purchase and it runs
0:24:42everywhere.
0:24:43And now the fact that you may not have to use Keralist even, it makes it all the more
0:24:47interesting to me. Because like, yeah, you can use Keralist and you can sort of kick
0:24:51start your app by, you know, translating it from the iPad. But also if you want to go
0:24:57to the traditional development route on the Mac, you can still offer a universal purchase
0:25:02with the, with the, with this new feature, which is like, and in the, like, not even
0:25:08to me this feels like a WWDC announcement but instead it's a February feature release
0:25:15Robert, here's my thinking. To the WWDC audience, would this be positive news?
0:25:22I don't know if it would be, right? Like maybe you wouldn't want this to that crowd?
0:25:30I don't know if this is positive. You know what I mean?
0:25:33like because I feel like a lot of that crowd I think understandably unhappy
0:25:39with the fact that they don't have a lot of options to get people to give them
0:25:47money and this is removing another option and or setting another precedent
0:25:55which is that all apps should be one purchase. Clearly this is Apple trying
0:26:03another way to convince people to move to the subscription route, right? That
0:26:08like we think that all apps should be one app and then people give you money
0:26:13every month and like if they're trying to set another precedent of bundling
0:26:16them all together it pushes people down that route which I think ultimately is
0:26:21probably the the right way to move a lot of software potentially like we've
0:26:26spoken about this in the past right but I mean we've all seen what's been
0:26:30happening over the last couple of weeks of fantastical so like this does not
0:26:34seem like a good message for a lot of especially independent iOS app
0:26:40developers I feel like and I would be keen to know via Twitter or whatever
0:26:46like if people if developers agree or disagree with me
0:26:49But I don't know if this would be like slam dunk good news at WWDC
0:26:54I don't think it necessarily means that Apple wants to incentivize
0:26:59Subscriptions. I think it means that Apple
0:27:02Thinks of apps as a single thing, right?
0:27:06But my kind of I think really the point I was trying to make is like what they are not doing is saying
0:27:12that app should be put separate purchases, right? Like basically however you want to take it
0:27:17It's not good news if that's your thinking. Right. There. Yes, I agree
0:27:21They are moving away from the idea of oh you purchase the app on the iPhone
0:27:25Then you purchase the app on the iPad then you buy it on the Mac. No you buy it once
0:27:29I mean moving away that's gone. That time is gone
0:27:32That time was effectively gone. But now this makes it even more official
0:27:38I guess like that mindset is no more now what it means that developers need to adjust like
0:27:46Either you use a subscription model or you make your apps more expensive or you make your in-app purchases more expensive or you
0:27:53Split features into multiple in-app purchases, which is like multiple tiers
0:27:58Which is something that I've also started to see lately like multiple versions of paid features
0:28:03I don't think it necessarily means that Apple wants you to use a subscription
0:28:07I think it means they don't want you to sell different versions of the same app anymore.
0:28:13This is big news, honestly.
0:28:15I was not expecting it...
0:28:18Like, I was expecting this to be a WWDC feature.
0:28:21I guess it makes more sense to do it now.
0:28:23Right. But WWDC featured two years away, right?
0:28:28Because the thinking was...
0:28:29It's interesting, right?
0:28:30If we go back to the original report, which so far has turned out to be correct, from Mark Gurman,
0:28:35about what we called marzipan then and everyone said no Mark Gurman you're
0:28:39wrong but he wasn't wrong was the thinking that it would be iPad to Mac
0:28:45first then the year after would be iPhone. iPhone to Mac. Also going into the
0:28:52Mac and then the year after that would be Universal Apps. Now there is a
0:28:57possibility right that's that this has all changed anyway because of SwiftUI
0:29:02which may have not been known by Mark Gurman's sources, right?
0:29:07But what we ended up finding out after,
0:29:10which is the contrasting thinking from people like John Gruber,
0:29:13is that this declarative UI approach would be coming up.
0:29:16So he knew about Swift UI,
0:29:18but Mark Gurman knew about Catalyst.
0:29:22Those two things didn't go together because those two things don't go together.
0:29:26They were set to seem to be separate paths being taken by Apple.
0:29:30and then one ended up coming quicker than it was expected.
0:29:34But let's just assume that like, even in a SwiftUI world,
0:29:37you would still want this universal app purchase thing,
0:29:40right, that still exists because in theory,
0:29:44you would be making applications for all systems.
0:29:47But nevertheless, like SwiftUI still feels like
0:29:50a long way away, I feel like, right?
0:29:53Like, I'm not wrong in thinking that,
0:29:55that still feels like multiple years into the future
0:29:59at this point, unless they surprise us.
0:30:02But I think that it maybe makes more sense
0:30:07that the iPhone stuff to the Mac--
0:30:10but maybe they're just not doing that.
0:30:11Maybe iPhone catalysts just will never exist now, right?
0:30:15Like iPhone apps on the Mac, maybe that's
0:30:17just never going to be a thing.
0:30:19I don't know, I'm really curious to see now
0:30:21how developers react to this.
0:30:23I don't know.
0:30:25I think it's great for new developers.
0:30:28like if you're making new apps, now you
0:30:31can address all platforms all at once,
0:30:33and you can come up with your own new business model now.
0:30:37But if you're an existing developer,
0:30:40you've got to ask yourself some questions of like,
0:30:42how do we want to do this moving forward?
0:30:45Or what's the pricing model that we should follow now?
0:30:48What do people expect?
0:30:50Because then it all comes down to people's expectations.
0:30:53We've seen how over the years, the idea
0:30:56of offering separate iPhone and iPad versions, for example, of an app, it slowly started
0:31:02to fade and now I guess The Things is the last really popular app that still comes with
0:31:09separate iPhone and iPad versions, because now everybody expects to have a universal
0:31:13version. And really when you think about it, from an ecosystem point of view, it makes
0:31:18so much more sense to have a universal binary. Like, for example, take a look at features
0:31:23like shortcuts. If you have things on the iPhone and you want to use shortcuts for things
0:31:29for iPhone, those shortcuts will not work on the iPad, because you need things for the
0:31:34iPad. And even if you do have things on the iPad, you've got to set up the shortcuts again,
0:31:39because technically it is a different app. So I think the more we move forward with this
0:31:46idea of Apple platforms have feature parity everywhere, it makes so much more sense to
0:31:52to have app parity everywhere as well.
0:31:55And with the universal portraits, you can do that.
0:31:58Now, is it great for indie developers?
0:32:01I don't, I, you know, I think life finds a way, you know,
0:32:07and developers can figure it out.
0:32:08I wanna be optimistic.
0:32:09I don't wanna say, "Oh, this spells the final, you know,
0:32:12this is the doom of the indie developer on iOS,"
0:32:15because now we're being forced
0:32:16to release universal apps everywhere.
0:32:20And I think, you know, I've been writing app reviews for 10 years and new apps are still coming out.
0:32:27New, great new indie apps are still coming out.
0:32:29I think if you keep up with the times, you can still, you know, this is a much bigger discussion.
0:32:35But yeah, I think this is big news and I want to see the repercussions of this.
0:32:39Yeah, I've been thinking a lot about Fantastical, you know, I think it's just like an interesting barometer right now of the way that people feel about stuff.
0:32:48It's kind of a fascinating thing to watch unfold.
0:32:51But if they were launching that application,
0:32:58if this was Fantastic R 1.0 and they did what they did,
0:33:04it would have been great, right?
0:33:07Here's a basic calendar app and you get pro features,
0:33:09you pay a subscription, it's on all platforms.
0:33:11That's kind of the way applications like that
0:33:15launch now.
0:33:16I always come back to it, but I think of Timery, right?
0:33:19Basic product, but you can pay more and get more features.
0:33:24And it launches on me.
0:33:26I really wish they had a Mac app, and I hope that they're working on that.
0:33:29But, you know, you get it on iPad, you get it on iPhone,
0:33:33and it's like this is an app and it seems like that's turning into, I hope,
0:33:36like an actual business for the developer, because they seem to update it
0:33:39frequently enough that would indicate that it's doing pretty well for them.
0:33:43So, you know, like if Fantastic Hour 1.0 came about today, like it just wouldn't be the same conversation
0:33:49that has been being had over the last couple of weeks. But I also maintain my kind of position
0:33:56on the fact that like this is probably the only way for them to go. Like the writing's on the wall
0:34:01whether they like it or not with things like this, right? Like in a couple of years time there was
0:34:08not going to be a business where they could have sell new versions of the application anyway because
0:34:12because they would have to sell two or three separate apps, right?
0:34:16To make an upgrade, to make money.
0:34:19So they would have to have created new apps that they would sell.
0:34:22Then it would not only just be the complaint of,
0:34:25"Why are you making me buy new applications?"
0:34:28or "Why are you deprecating my application?"
0:34:31or "Why will you no longer support my application?"
0:34:33which is what always happens when developers have created new versions, right?
0:34:38And they create a new app.
0:34:40But it's also going to be, why are you charging me for a separate Mac app as well?
0:34:45So like, you can see why some of these developers are pushed into the situation where they go
0:34:49down a subscription route.
0:34:51Because like, I kind of think of it as like a maze, right?
0:34:58You know, like those outdoor mazes, like grass hedge mazes or whatever.
0:35:03You kind of are walking down these pathways and they're being shut off for you.
0:35:08So like you go down one and it's like Apple's closed up a pathway.
0:35:11You go down another customer's closing down a pathway.
0:35:13And so at this point, developers are like going through these mazes,
0:35:17hoping they're going to find their way to profitability out the other side.
0:35:21And it's just seeming like it is becoming increasingly more difficult to do it.
0:35:25And this is just another one of those where it's like, oh, you wanted to make
0:35:29a Mac app like a separate Mac app.
0:35:31Well, it has to be free now.
0:35:34you know, not like "has to be" but like the idea being "it should be".
0:35:39Well, yeah, I guess you should take it into consideration. It's a very different mindset
0:35:43now, right? Because when we started, you know, when I started Max Stories, when you guys
0:35:47started doing podcasts, it was a very different mindset on the App Store. Like, each app was
0:35:52its own thing, was its own purchase. Now, if you're starting out, or if you're an existing
0:35:57developer and you want to rethink your business model, it's not anymore like that. It's more
0:36:04of "I should price my apps", whether it's an in-app purchase or a paid-up front or a
0:36:10subscription, accordingly to these changes. Like, maybe it shouldn't be $4.99 on the iPhone
0:36:17and $10 on the iPad and $19 on the Mac. Maybe it should just be, I don't know, $15 everywhere.
0:36:26And I know that if you add up the numbers, it sounds like you're making less money, but
0:36:33also you may have a bigger market because of this, because of a universal app that runs
0:36:38on all platforms.
0:36:39You may have more users and therefore make up for the difference.
0:36:43It's a very different approach, which I know that some long-time developers will not accept,
0:36:52but this is what's happening.
0:36:54I think from a user's perspective, it's what I like, it's what I want.
0:37:00Like, yes, it totally makes sense.
0:37:02I have a single app and it runs everywhere.
0:37:05And then I don't know.
0:37:07I guess I want to see what happens.
0:37:08I think the next few months will be interesting.
0:37:10I think we'll see some existing apps start taking advantage of this.
0:37:14By the way, also, additional real-time follow-up, Michael, you will be happy to hear this, you
0:37:19you will be able to bundle iOS, iPadOS, macOS, and drum roll,
0:37:24tvOS apps in a single purchase.
0:37:27- I love it when my platform of choice receives information.
0:37:31- And these will be available starting March, 2020.
0:37:36So it looks like these new versions of all the OSs
0:37:40are coming out next month.
0:37:41And by next month you will be able to distribute iOS,
0:37:44iPadOS, macOS, and tvOS versions of your app
0:37:47as a universal purchase.
0:37:48I definitely see this as like, I know it's super early to do it,
0:37:52but you know there's like every, every little while there's like a,
0:37:55Oh and watch us too. Sorry.
0:37:57There is like a thing where you're like clearing the decks before WWDC,
0:38:02you know, like you have these stories, just want to get them out.
0:38:06This isn't exactly the same, but this is 100% a WWDC announcement,
0:38:11right? Like through and through, this is a big change to developers.
0:38:16We need to have some sessions.
0:38:17But like I genuinely look at this and I'm like,
0:38:20I think that this is unpopular and they want to get it out and they want to put
0:38:25it in front of people and let people calm down before WWDC.
0:38:30What was the thing that happened? Was it the price,
0:38:33the subscription price changes?
0:38:34Yes, it was just before WWDC.
0:38:36So they, I mean that, that was like a week before, right? Like cause something,
0:38:40The Verge had like a big article and it was really cool and they spoke to
0:38:43and stuff. But that was like, get it out now, let's not completely upend WWDC this year.
0:38:50And I think this is maybe a similar-ish type thing. Maybe? I don't know. But like, this
0:38:56could have at least been mentioned at the last WWDC, right? But it seems like a weird
0:39:01thing to do it in March. Like it's just like very strange. And to like, oh, here's just
0:39:08an update or update to Xcode. By the way, in the new features, it's a completely different
0:39:13business model for you. Good luck, right? So it seems like a curious thing and/or if
0:39:22something like SwiftUI is closer to being done than we expect and they want to spend
0:39:25more time talking about that so they're getting stuff like this out of the way. But this is
0:39:29just like a really weird thing to do now.
0:39:33Strange. Very strange. All the way around.
0:39:36Can I ask you both a quick question about 13.4 because we really moved past shared folders
0:39:42quickly?
0:39:43I have it on my phone so ask away.
0:39:45I'm running it right now.
0:39:47It's more of a conceptual question.
0:39:51If this comes out in iOS 13.4, you gonna use it?
0:39:56Because I don't want to.
0:39:58No I don't want to switch from Dropbox.
0:40:00I know my Dropbox shares folders work very well.
0:40:04Like because I've been doing this for over 10 years, right?
0:40:09Like I know that they work very, very well indeed.
0:40:14I don't know if I feel like that iCloud drive is going
0:40:19to work very, very well indeed immediately.
0:40:22And this is nothing on Apple's development team,
0:40:26But we're just talking about like tenure here really, right?
0:40:32Like Dropbox know how to do this.
0:40:33Dropbox's entire business is built on reliable syncing.
0:40:37And even more so than ever.
0:40:40Amongst teams, right?
0:40:42So like their shared syncing system has to be rock solid
0:40:47because that's all they have as a company now.
0:40:49Like they make the majority of their money with the Dropbox
0:40:52business tools which relies on multiple people sharing files and I just don't know how reliable
0:41:01iCloud drive sharing folders will be immediately because it just it's a new thing right so I don't
0:41:10know under what circumstances I would trust any like real sensitive important information to
0:41:20right now?
0:41:22- Yeah, I am not gonna use it right away
0:41:25for production purposes,
0:41:26especially because Dropbox works really well.
0:41:30And it's got so many more features that go beyond
0:41:33shared folders, file requests,
0:41:37and being able to restore deleted files
0:41:41with an actual UI within Dropbox,
0:41:43and to browse versions of files within Dropbox.
0:41:46The Files app still has about 30% of the features
0:41:51that I want from a modern cloud-based file manager, you know?
0:41:55So I could use it for something simple.
0:41:58And by something simple, I mean maybe sometimes,
0:42:00like for example, just now, just a few minutes ago,
0:42:04I needed to share a few SVG files with Silvia.
0:42:08And the easiest way for me was, because Silvia doesn't,
0:42:12We don't share like a Dropbox workflow or anything.
0:42:16We don't have a shared folder.
0:42:19So the easiest way for me to send those files
0:42:21was to send them an email, the old fashioned way.
0:42:23But really I could imagine a scenario where like,
0:42:27for these, like almost throw away files.
0:42:30I just throw them in a folder in iCloud drive,
0:42:32in the finder or in the files app.
0:42:34And I just share that real quick with a link.
0:42:37And I send that to Sylvia and we're done.
0:42:39I wouldn't use it for production purposes.
0:42:41And by "production" I mean like where I store the drafts for my articles that other people can read,
0:42:48or to share audio files for podcasts.
0:42:51You know, I wouldn't do that. At least not now.
0:42:54Maybe in a few years if it works really well, but for now I'm sticking with Dropbox.
0:42:57That said, I think there's going to be some convenience to have this feature
0:43:01for those quick files that you want to share with somebody, but you don't want to put them in your Dropbox.
0:43:06So maybe I'm gonna say "personal files" for personal use.
0:43:10I sort of see the utility of that, but not for professional uses.
0:43:14Yeah, I just can't think of anybody that I need to share files with that I don't already share a Dropbox folder with.
0:43:20Right.
0:43:21Right? Like, we just put... or otherwise, just airdrop them?
0:43:27Yeah, but airdrop... see, that's my issue. Airdrop does weird things depending on the file type that you're sharing.
0:43:33Sometimes I want to share a PNG, for example, with Silvia.
0:43:38But if you share a PNG with AirDrop, it gets saved into Photos.
0:43:41And Photos does not work well with PNG files because it gets rid of the transparency of those files.
0:43:46And there's no way for me to share a PNG and for Sylvia to say via AirDrop,
0:43:51"OK, yes, receive this PNG file, but please save it into the Files app, save it into iCloud Drive, not into Photos."
0:43:57Oh, it's so bad. Like, you know, or like the UI when you get like a PDF and it's like,
0:44:02Here's every single app on your system in a completely unsorted list that can accept this folder.
0:44:08Which one do you want it to go into?
0:44:09And like my thing is none of these, like I want it to be somewhere else, right?
0:44:14Or like somebody sends you a zip folder and it's like, I don't know, like why do I,
0:44:19why do you want me to put it in like Google Drive?
0:44:21No, I just want to like open, just open the folder because I don't even want to save the folder.
0:44:26I just want something from inside of the folder.
0:44:29It's just like, what is like, this is a, I hate that UI.
0:44:33It's so bad.
0:44:34It's like, imagine, imagine if there was like a system setting to set defaults.
0:44:39Hey, hold on.
0:44:41You're just crazy talk.
0:44:43Whoa.
0:44:44What is that?
0:44:46I mean, I just had something like this today where somebody sent me a, a PDF, but
0:44:52for some reason it didn't have like the .pdf file extension and I opened it on my
0:44:58iPhone. It's just like, I can't open this. And I went to my Mac and it was like,
0:45:01immediately opened in preview and it's like, yep. Okay.
0:45:04Yeah. I have no real desire to move away from Dropbox either.
0:45:08I've got my whole infrastructure in there and the sharing is really good.
0:45:13And it lets you share things with people who aren't iCloud users. Right.
0:45:17And the world is bigger than just people with iCloud space who pay for iCloud
0:45:22space. So I don't really see this changing anything about the way that I work.
0:45:26Yeah. And it's like all of the features, like I use the, um,
0:45:29I use selective sync on some machines and that new,
0:45:32I can't even remember what it's called. It was called project infinite, right?
0:45:36Like where you just have nothing downloaded and you just choose what you want
0:45:40downloaded. And that actually works really well.
0:45:43Does it still do the thing where if you're, so I,
0:45:46I had that on for a little while and then I'd go to like an export something out
0:45:49of logic to Dropbox and it would basically lock up the machine until it had
0:45:54figure out what was in that folder. It's like, come on, just, just do it.
0:45:59I've never done what you just explained.
0:46:02But like there is things that were like, if I open, if I like,
0:46:05say I'm in pixelmator and I want to drag in an image,
0:46:08it would just like wait for a second while it's down.
0:46:10Cause it's like, what else is it going to do?
0:46:12But they're all for me like expected weights.
0:46:15Yeah. Okay. You know, like if, if I'm,
0:46:17we fall in a preview this file and I drag an audio file into forecast on my Mac
0:46:22mini or whatever. Right. Like I know it's going to take the time until it
0:46:26downloads this file first but I've never noticed when oh you know like I've saved
0:46:31things to folders that aren't downloaded and it hasn't been a problem. Cool maybe
0:46:36it's improved I mean I used it when it first rolled out and and now it's not an
0:46:39issue because I have a giant SSD in my in my tower but it is a cool feature and
0:46:45yeah I just my Dropbox is just like too large to install on every machine like I
0:46:50don't want it right like on all my machines because it would just be madness
0:46:54right like I'm saving so much stuff in there now like most of except for my
0:46:59iMac Pro I think my Dropbox account now is larger than any SSD I have right like
0:47:07it's more than I have on it's definitely more than I have on iMac Pro it might be
0:47:12more than I have in the Mac Mini even because I keep a lot of stuff in there
0:47:16everything. I keep everything in there. Um, but it's all backed up. Don't worry.
0:47:22I use back blaze and that's fine. So it's great.
0:47:25But it is good to see Apple returning to its list of features from iOS 13 that this is
0:47:30a feature they should have. Yeah. Right. And it should be great. And I'm, and I think that
0:47:35they like can make it great because they've had these problems in the past, right? Like
0:47:41notes and reminders and stuff like that, which is things that were really unreliable and
0:47:46they made them reliable. But like my point isn't that they can do this. I would just
0:47:51not trust it immediately. But I am pleased that they didn't roll this one out until they're
0:47:57comfortable with it. Because it would have been a disaster.
0:48:00Yeah, this has to go well, right? You can't do this and people lose files or the sharing
0:48:07spontaneously break or anything like that.
0:48:10It's like in Notes, when you had the initial sharing in the new Notes app where you could
0:48:15just share one note and that was kind of janky, but I gotta say where you can set up a folder
0:48:20and just any note you create in there gets shared automatically, that's been really solid
0:48:25for me.
0:48:26Oh, I think I should do that, because I've been having just like... me and Adina have
0:48:30this problem all the time, we share notes of each other, like single notes, and it shows
0:48:36to her that I am on it, right? But I have never seen a note in my entire life.
0:48:41Yeah, so what I did was I created a folder, same thing for myself and Mary, and we, I went through
0:48:48and basically all the notes that we had individually shared, I put them all in that folder and told it,
0:48:52"Share all of these." It's a little bit of work.
0:48:54I'm going to do that.
0:48:55But now if I create a new one, there's no song or dance. If it's in that folder,
0:48:59it's automatically shared. And that gives me hope that maybe they have like folder sharing stuff,
0:49:04figure it out. Like the code bases are probably totally different,
0:49:07but like they got it working in one place. So I'm now optimistic about a second.
0:49:11But let me ask you that.
0:49:12Is it possible to see all of your notes at once if you use folders?
0:49:16Yes. If you go up well on the, I'm just looking at the Mac. Uh,
0:49:20if you go to the all iCloud section, you can see all in my case,
0:49:23all 353 notes. Right. Okay. All my notes are in folders.
0:49:27I have a two, four, six, eight, 10, 14,
0:49:33like 20 something notebooks.
0:49:35- Wow. - Or folders, I guess.
0:49:37- Yeah, see, I don't have any folders.
0:49:38- Oh my God, how do you live?
0:49:40- Well, by searching, I search.
0:49:43- Everything needs to live in a folder, Myke.
0:49:45- No, it doesn't, that's not necessary.
0:49:47It's funny, on my Mac, on my phone,
0:49:49it says that it's folders,
0:49:51so my note, sorry, is iCloud, right?
0:49:53But on my Mac, it says MobileMe.
0:49:55- Wow.
0:49:56- Yeah, that's my default Notes account, MobileMe.
0:50:00- How have you done that?
0:50:01I don't know man, it's just what it is.
0:50:03That's incredible.
0:50:04I have additional real-time follow-up.
0:50:07Okay.
0:50:08This is a wild episode, we're like throwing the document away as we go, I love these ones.
0:50:12There are no changes that I can see in shortcuts, no improvements to the notes, reminders, actions,
0:50:20no design changes or fixes that I can see, because MusicBot still does not work from the sharesheet,
0:50:29and I just tried to edit MusicBot by dragging an action around and the app crashed.
0:50:35But like, look, you need to appreciate that that app, that that shortcut is not a good test
0:50:41shortcut because it's like a billion actions. Or maybe it is a good test shortcut.
0:50:45Okay, you know what I mean. It's like the most outlier-y outlier of like over a thousand actions
0:50:51in a note or whatever, actions in a shortcut. It's not fair to the app, but sure, I get your point.
0:50:58I've been building some real good shortcuts recently.
0:51:01You showed some to me.
0:51:02I'm so happy with myself.
0:51:04They're all time tracking related, so like everyone's favorite type of shortcut.
0:51:08But I'm really, I'm just like, I'm having a great time over here building shortcuts.
0:51:14An additional real time follow up.
0:51:16Oh my word.
0:51:18There will be some unification of App Store categories across the iOS and Mac App Store.
0:51:25You may say, well, that's boring, but I will bring your attention to something that is
0:51:30very subtle for now.
0:51:31I don't know if it's pointing at something new down the road, but there's a bullet point
0:51:38in this Apple blog post that says you will be able to select the following categories
0:51:43for iOS apps.
0:51:46Graphics and design.
0:51:47Well, I mean, OK.
0:51:48And developer tools.
0:51:50I mean, if the App Store is becoming a consistent layer across all of their platforms, these
0:51:55moves make sense over time that you would want it to be as close to a similar experience
0:52:01no matter where you are.
0:52:02But developer tools on iOS is a peculiar thing if Xcode doesn't exist, like because it's
0:52:07the most developed tool.
0:52:08Well, maybe they'll stuff stuff like working copy or...
0:52:11Sure, maybe it's just that.
0:52:13Maybe it's just those two apps.
0:52:15You click on it, it's just working copy.
0:52:17It's like, well, coming later.
0:52:18No, I mean working copy and Pythonista and JSON and Scriptable.
0:52:24We're up to four now.
0:52:26I mean, there's the, you know, CODIA and the folks who make CODIA have a new shader app for...
0:52:33Yeah, there's a bunch of them.
0:52:34It is not untrue that other developer applications exist, developer tools exist, but like, it is a...
0:52:43You know it just it could add more to feel to the fire if that is your particular conspiracy theory fit theory flavor
0:52:50Right that like the Xcode is coming to iOS. I really think wish we it's time for Xcode to come to the iPad
0:52:58I think you're right. Mm-hmm real-time follow-up and then we're gonna do an ad because I love this document. This is crazy
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0:53:12So users can get premium content, subscriptions and more right from their wrist.
0:53:17Who asked for that one?
0:53:19Anyone?
0:53:20Can anybody raise their hand?
0:53:22Honestly this feature was made for underscore.
0:53:25More moons in GenevaMoon.
0:53:27This is a lot of developer stuff for like a point release.
0:53:32Maybe they're getting them all buttered up and then it's going to be bad news at WBC.
0:53:36Bad news.
0:53:37By the way, Xcode has been deprecated.
0:53:40Welcome SwiftCode.
0:53:41Yeah.
0:53:42This is just weird.
0:53:44This is just like a weird list of
0:53:46stuff.
0:53:46OK, we're going to take a break
0:53:48because no, no, we need to take a
0:53:50break because I didn't get to do a
0:53:51real time follow up.
0:53:52You can do it after this break.
0:53:53Real time follow up.
0:53:54Nine new Memoji sticker types.
0:53:56Yes, we have seen those.
0:53:58But no, but no one said it yet.
0:53:59Well, I was waiting for the break.
0:54:01Real time follow up.
0:54:03Minor tweaks to the TV app.
0:54:05You don't know how podcast
0:54:07podcasting works.
0:54:09That's true. Actually, you're
0:54:10- You're supposed to take the break.
0:54:11It's your company.
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0:55:56Real time follow up. Steve Charles Smith is looking at a bunch of new APIs included with
0:56:02the 13.4 on all platforms.
0:56:04Couple of potentially interesting changes.
0:56:08It seems like there's a new API for detecting
0:56:11key up and key down events from a keyboard.
0:56:14- That's good.
0:56:15- So finally, and in theory,
0:56:17this is supposed to work on iOS and Catalyst.
0:56:20So for Catalyst, this would mean like proper gaming.
0:56:23So, you know, if you wanna play a game,
0:56:26Catalyst game from a keyboard,
0:56:27key up and down events means you can now, you know,
0:56:31use controls like standard WASD and that kind of stuff to play a game. And if this is correct,
0:56:38and if this is true, we don't know yet, because literally the documentation just went up.
0:56:42On iOS, maybe there's going to be potential for having shortcuts that do not require you
0:56:48to hold down Command. Again, potentially good for gaming, but also for productivity apps,
0:56:54maybe. The second one, again, another new API that Steve Chanten-Smith is looking at
0:57:00right now. This is a good day to follow Steve on Twitter, by the way.
0:57:05Any day is a good day to follow Steve Transmute.
0:57:07Today, honestly, Steve is an excellent human being, so it's always a good day to follow
0:57:13Steve. Today, if you're an Apple nerd, is an especially good one. New UI Datepicker
0:57:19style. It's called the compact style, so maybe catalyst apps will be able to not have you
0:57:25scroll a wheel.
0:57:26That's the one called "Wheels". UiDate picker style wheels. So if you still want your wheels,
0:57:32you can have them. Otherwise you can go to compact. There's no, as of yet, I'm sure everybody
0:57:37under the show, Steve, will have an image for us. But as of right now, we don't know
0:57:44what it looks like, but that would seem to indicate that Apple is in fact continuing
0:57:50to do the work on Catalyst that has been asked for, which is good. This is good news, right?
0:57:57And there's a bunch, very good news, and there's a bunch of other changes that Steve and other
0:58:03developers in my timeline seem to be very excited about. Better keyboard integration
0:58:09everywhere in general. So yeah, Steve says that somebody's listening on Catalyst and
0:58:15doing more to bring UIKit from iOS to the Mac. So, it seems that the general reaction
0:58:23so far in terms of catalyst changes for developers is good.
0:58:27So we... I remember just a few weeks ago we were discussing here a new mic with JSON on
0:58:33upgrade, like, where does Apple go from here with catalyst? Is it something that they're
0:58:38just forgetting about because the future is with UI? We're actually getting a bunch of
0:58:43updates now, in February.
0:58:45Now, is it a good sign? Does it mean that SwiftUI is not the future?
0:58:49I think it's a good sign. I still believe that SwiftUI is the future,
0:58:53but maybe Apple is not ready to commit to just one future yet.
0:58:58SwiftUI is a lot, right? Because for a lot of developers, you are asking them to learn
0:59:03a new language, and that's going to take time. So, you know, like, developers that have been,
0:59:10who have not yet gone over to join the Swift world,
0:59:14like, it's gonna take some time for them, I think.
0:59:17So, I think it's a lot to ask for. This is definitely an easier thing to begin with.
0:59:23Yeah, and I think, honestly, at this point, that's it for the real-time follow-up.
0:59:27Well, for now...
0:59:28For now.
0:59:29Should we go back to regular follow-up?
0:59:32It was beautiful until it was over, but the real-time follow-up...
0:59:37Second episode of ATP over here. We haven't finished follow-up yet.
0:59:40I'm not familiar with their work.
0:59:42That's a tennis competition.
0:59:43Federico, you had some iPad Pro problems.
0:59:49Oh yeah, I broke my iPad last week.
0:59:53That's good news.
0:59:54I shattered my iPad.
0:59:57You finally decided to switch to a real computer, right?
0:59:59So you just broke it over your knee.
1:00:01I am now using a Microsoft Surface.
1:00:05Oh nice!
1:00:06The pro one, which I heard was good.
1:00:08Which one? The X86 one or the ARM one, which is actually called X.
1:00:13Oh, OK, cool.
1:00:15The good one. Yeah, yeah. I'm all about.
1:00:17Real time follow up.
1:00:18Really? Again?
1:00:19iOS 13.4 features a new mail toolbar.
1:00:22Of course it does.
1:00:25Fixing the... I for the first time yesterday opened mail on iOS 13.
1:00:31Oh yeah, look at that. It's new.
1:00:33because I wanted to print a like I wanted to get a PDF of a mail because it was just
1:00:39easier because I was it was I was using on my iPhone using two different mail apps to
1:00:43do a thing it's like a whole thing but I wanted to just use the mail app to get a to create
1:00:49a PDF turns out the way to do that is to press the reply button everything is behind the
1:00:53reply button I know I know that like this isn't new to anybody else but like what on
1:00:58Earth made them do that. I mean honestly not that this new toolbar would seem to help that
1:01:05situation any less but hiding everything under a reply button. I like the UI when you press
1:01:11the reply button. It's a nice UI under there I think. They've broken things out quite nicely
1:01:16but just choose any other button design. Reply doesn't make any sense. You get to forward
1:01:25by pressing reply. Now that's just bananas, right? Like, oh I want to forward a message?
1:01:31Well, press the reply button first. Like that doesn't make any sense. And also when you
1:01:35press the reply button, you don't reply. You have to press reply again.
1:01:39Uh huh. Who? Did the person who made that decision
1:01:42ever use mail before? Like that's not, that's not anything. So I don't think that this will
1:01:47fix that, but it at least is changing some of the design. But there we go. I got to do
1:01:52a real real-time follow-up. What a fun episode of outdated information by the time anybody listens
1:01:57to the show. Maybe we just don't edit it, maybe we just put it out just as raw as possible.
1:02:03Yeah, we're not we're not ATP. So you broke your iPad. Yeah, so I broke my iPad, so I was
1:02:13I was just casually walking around my apartment and because I do not pay attention to my surroundings
1:02:22I tripped into the cable, the USB-C cable that was charging the iPad, and so the
1:02:29iPad flew across the kitchen and it landed on the floor. Now, the iPad, as we
1:02:37talked about, was inside the Switch EZ Cover Body case and also inside the
1:02:42Smart Keyboard and had the paper-like screen protector on. So, when I first
1:02:49looked at the iPad, and it was late at night, and the lights were dim. It looked like nothing
1:02:57happened, like it wasn't like the glass wasn't shattered, and I was like "oh yeah, it's fine,
1:03:03thankfully like nothing happened". And the edges of the iPad were protected by the case,
1:03:09so I was like "yeah, I got lucky, nothing broke". The next morning, when I got to work
1:03:14with sunlight and, you know, it was much, much brighter. I looked at the display and
1:03:21I saw this relatively thin line running across the bottom right corner of the iPad. So from
1:03:32corner, from the bottom, basically it was like an entire corner of the display in the
1:03:40bottom right section had broken. But it wasn't shattered like when I really shattered my
1:03:46iPad Pro two years ago. It was like broken glass everywhere. But I could tell that it
1:03:51was no scratch. It was actually broken. So I removed the paper like, and sure enough,
1:03:55as soon as I touched the display in that area, I could feel that the glass was broken.
1:04:02So is it safe to say that the cover body does not provide much protection?
1:04:07Okay, so I went to the Apple store. I have AppleCare+ on this iPad Pro. It's the one
1:04:16terabyte model. So the guy looks at the iPad and sort of asks me how did it happen, and
1:04:24he told me that he believes that the case made the impact less bad than it could have
1:04:33have been. Sure. Sure. He says that if you had no case on, like the whole thing would
1:04:38actually be shattered with multiple pieces of broken glass instead. And it was just a
1:04:44single line, like a single thin line of broken glass. And because of that, he said, okay,
1:04:52so because you obviously obviously had a case on and like we can tell that the glass is
1:04:59broken but it could have been worse and because we cannot see any damage on the
1:05:04edges on you know the aluminum edges of the of the iPad we are gonna give you a
1:05:09replacement totally for free at zero euros right now so we're gonna replace
1:05:15your iPad and we don't even want the base replacement fee that you're
1:05:21supposed to pay with AppleCare+ which I believe is around 50 maybe 70 euros
1:05:25That's cool.
1:05:26So not even that.
1:05:27Zero euros just for free because I had a case on.
1:05:29Whilst I'm happy for you, I'm not sure I follow their thinking here.
1:05:34Their thinking here is that AppleCare+ covers accidental...
1:05:38So this is my interpretation of their thinking.
1:05:41AppleCare+ covers up to two accidents with your device.
1:05:46So up to two repairs for accidental damage.
1:05:51Now, the iPad Pro, they don't actually repair it.
1:05:55When you shatter the display, they give you a new one.
1:05:58This has always been the case for me.
1:06:00Even two years ago, when the display was shattered, they just gave you a new one, a replacement
1:06:04one.
1:06:05But you gotta pay the basic replacement fee, which, again, I believe is 50 euros.
1:06:10Now, because...
1:06:13And this is where my interpretation is.
1:06:15because it wasn't, like, completely shattered. And because it was obvious that I had a case
1:06:23on and because it was the one-terabyte model, the guy was like, "Oh, you got the one-terabyte
1:06:28model." And he told me, basically, "Nobody buys this one." Because of these reasons,
1:06:34I believe it was like, "Yeah, we're going to give you one for free right now." And I
1:06:37was like, "Oh, you have it available right now?" And it's like, "Yeah, because nobody
1:06:40buys the one terabyte version. So we have one in stock always, all the time. Nobody
1:06:45wants that. So yeah, I have a new iPad Pro, which is the old iPad Pro. I restored it from
1:06:52a backup and it's fine. And yeah, so that's the story. It was cool though. Zero euros,
1:07:00totally for free, same day replacement. That was cool. Is it possible this is because you're
1:07:04famous? I do wonder this too. No, no. Yes. How confident are you that these people don't
1:07:12know who you are, Federico? I am confident because he saw the work email address and
1:07:19he said nothing. Usually they comment on something like, "Yeah, I read Mac stories, I'm a fan."
1:07:24Usually they say something. What if you have like a flag on your account or something?
1:07:29Oh, well, that I don't know.
1:07:32That I don't know.
1:07:33The Federico Fittigia.
1:07:36You don't know, you don't have to do this to me, especially in public on a podcast.
1:07:40Do you use a Mac Stories email address when you sign up for these things?
1:07:43Oh, yeah, I do.
1:07:44That's the power move.
1:07:45Yeah, yeah.
1:07:46See?
1:07:47You can't be like that.
1:07:48You can't be like, "Oh, don't do this to me."
1:07:51Because you...
1:07:52Look, I'm telling you, 100%, even if they didn't know who you were, they saw that email
1:07:56address in their queue and someone looked it up. They 100% knew who you were.
1:08:01You can't be like, "Oh, don't do that kind of thing to me." When you want it to happen
1:08:05to you, you made it happen to you. Nobody else.
1:08:07Yeah, but I make it happen in the privacy of my home.
1:08:11Wait, what?
1:08:12No, but like, I do it myself. I sign up with my work email address and I don't talk about
1:08:20it, right? It's not like I want to be recognized and I was like, "Yeah, do you know who I am?"
1:08:25Like if you notice, fine, and I'm happy.
1:08:27If you don't...
1:08:28Don't people typically use their personal email addresses for things like this?
1:08:33Yeah, I do, so I don't run into this.
1:08:35Well, my excuse is that the work email address is also my Italian Apple ID.
1:08:41But don't you need your, ideally, your Italian Apple ID when you fix your iPad in Italy?
1:08:46Exactly, exactly.
1:08:48Which is why I...
1:08:49Oh, okay, how convenient.
1:08:50I signed up for the Genius Bar with the Italian Apple ID.
1:08:54Otherwise, it would have looked like Federico Vittucci who lives somewhere in America.
1:08:58Actually, I think I believe my name is John Ticci with the fake Apple ID with the US account.
1:09:05It would have looked like John Ticci was visiting from the US and trying to fix an iPad in Rome.
1:09:10Why is it John Ticci? Why is that?
1:09:14I don't know. I wanted to make something recognizable, but also obviously fake.
1:09:19Did you make Jon do something?
1:09:24No, well Jon helped me out with details that I will not share.
1:09:29The things he has to do for you.
1:09:35He's a good friend.
1:09:39So obviously I wanted to use the Italian Apple ID and Italian Apple ID just happens to be
1:09:44the work email address.
1:09:45Happens to be.
1:09:47Happens to be.
1:09:48I planned this.
1:09:49Oh, I got one of those eye visors, the matte screen protector thing.
1:09:55Oh yeah, that's also what I should have mentioned.
1:09:58The Paperlike can go away forever, that thing is junk compared to this.
1:10:04I know, right?
1:10:05How does it have no bubbles?
1:10:07Exactly, so you didn't believe me, but it has no bubbles.
1:10:11Just you put it on the display.
1:10:12It seems impossible.
1:10:13I don't know, it's chemistry man, chemists do weird things.
1:10:17And I like that it's got black edges, it makes it easier to line up.
1:10:21Exactly.
1:10:22So because I had to remove the Paperlike and I needed to put on a new screen protector,
1:10:27I was like, you know what, I'm just going to order another iViser.
1:10:30I immediately ordered one for my larger iPad.
1:10:33Yep.
1:10:34It's absolutely fantastic, this thing.
1:10:37I have no idea how it is so much better than the Paperlike, but it is, in every single
1:10:43way.
1:10:44Do not buy the Paperlike, buy this one instead.
1:10:46fantastic. So good. Because as well, the Paperlike doesn't make it through like paper, it just
1:10:52adds a texture. And this thing adds a texture too. It's great. It's brilliant.
1:10:56So I also put in the iVisor on my big iPad Pro and now I now have the iVisors everywhere.
1:11:03So I will say it adds a texture. It's not the same texture. The Paperlike is definitely
1:11:07more textured, right? But I don't know why people buy the Paperlike for the texture thing.
1:11:16I just don't think it, it does what you want it to do, right?
1:11:19Like if you want it to actually feel like paper, it doesn't, it doesn't,
1:11:22it doesn't feel like paper. It just has a texture. Paper comes in all forms.
1:11:27So, you know, I have paper that's as slippery as an iPad glass screen.
1:11:32So that's the best paper I own. So, you know,
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1:13:36be one of those presidents.
1:13:38Well there's some issues with that, but that's fine.
1:13:42Does it matter anymore? Anyone can be the president.
1:13:45Easy.
1:13:46Right?
1:13:47Well, it does have a point.
1:13:50We've moved like 90% of the show document into a heading called the topic graveyard,
1:13:54but there was one that we still have time for and that is this awesome watch OS 7 wishlist.
1:14:00If someone wanted to tell us about this.
1:14:02So this is created by Matt Burchler, who we've spoken, I'm pretty sure we've spoken about
1:14:09one of Matt's concepts for watchOS in the past.
1:14:14Yeah, he's got a great blog, he does really good work.
1:14:17Like, it's a beautiful blog too.
1:14:19Like, it's a very, I've never seen a personal blog that looks like the way that Matt's does,
1:14:26so it's worth going.
1:14:27And this article itself is actually very nicely laid out with a lot of great UI mockups.
1:14:32This is a very good job.
1:14:34And Matt seems like somebody who is very focused on watchOS.
1:14:42Because the information that they put together, there are parts of it where it's like, "I
1:14:48never would have thought of that."
1:14:50But that's actually very smart.
1:14:52So we'll run through some of these.
1:14:54We can maybe take each point as we go and talk through a bunch of them.
1:15:01Some of these seem like great additions, some of these seem great if it was a different
1:15:05company because it really doesn't feel like Apple would do them.
1:15:11But let's go through them anyway.
1:15:12So more options and more customization for activity rings.
1:15:19allowing you to customize the activity rings by adding in your own health things that you
1:15:25want to track. I think this is really smart. So let's assume because we're going to get
1:15:29sleep tracking is another one, right? So sleep tracking is another feature that Matt asks
1:15:32for which just seems like logical. It would be wild if they haven't if they don't do it
1:15:36in the next either watchOS version or hardware version. But let's say you have sleep and
1:15:41then maybe you also want to track like your breathe or something, right? Like Apple adding
1:15:48increasingly more health things that you can track. Like if standing or moving or activity
1:15:57is not necessarily the thing that you're most caring about right now, wouldn't it be nice to
1:16:02customize them a little bit? Seems like a good idea, I think. I like to see this go as far as
1:16:08third-party applications being able to do their own. So something like WaterMinder,
1:16:13you know, which you can do as a complication.
1:16:15Yes.
1:16:16Like, why couldn't I just add that as a ring?
1:16:18And if I don't care about the others, sort of downplay them.
1:16:21I think this is a fantastic idea.
1:16:24I think any health thing that can have a goal related to it
1:16:27would be great if they could tie it into activity somehow.
1:16:30It should really be a ring API for developers.
1:16:34I agree.
1:16:34Like, WaterMinder, a really excellent example.
1:16:37I would swap that for the stand
1:16:42ring right away because I have water mind on my watch face and it's really the one ring
1:16:47that I care the most these days like hydration so I would use that immediately or maybe in
1:16:52addition to. And then I would like to have a second like so I could have two on a complications
1:16:57right one is my activity health rings and then one is like a set of rings for productivity
1:17:03things right so I could have like you know but like those rings could go down the other
1:17:10away. I like how you say like it's a dirty secret. Well because like you know they're
1:17:17not gonna let me do it but I hope that like there will be an API. Why are you whispering?
1:17:23They're shush. They're gonna be like an API and they're like enterprising developers could
1:17:28make what appear to be health related things but they're actually not that at all. It's
1:17:35It's actually how many emails you've replied to today.
1:17:37Yeah!
1:17:38Why not?
1:17:39Gamify, gamify your life, Gamify your life.
1:17:42Oh, he's back.
1:17:43Oh no, he's back.
1:17:44There he is.
1:17:45Oh my god.
1:17:46A. Steven M. R. He's back again.
1:17:51Editing workouts on the phone.
1:17:53So that just seems like, yeah, why not, right?
1:17:56Like being able to have more control over your workouts on the phone.
1:18:00If you, you know, if the watch didn't pick it up correctly or whatever, you know, it
1:18:05seems fine. This one is a stretch. Web UI to export activity data into CSVs? Doesn't
1:18:13seem...
1:18:14No, I don't think this... Like, I get the argument. I get the idea. It doesn't seem
1:18:22like something that Apple would do. They enabled, I believe, saving your Apple card statement
1:18:32as a CSV.
1:18:33Yeah, they did, yeah.
1:18:34did yeah. So maybe there's some kind of precedent for this, but you have a whole web UI for
1:18:40it. The reason they did that is because people were getting in trouble with their accountants.
1:18:43Like if you have a credit card you need to have exportable statements. Like it was bananas
1:18:50that they had to add that and it wasn't just like a default feature. I think they had PDF
1:18:55stuff but like accountants can't do anything with PDFs right? You can't put a PDF into
1:18:59your accountant software right? Like that's not how it works. Like you need to have a
1:19:03CSV for it. And so like, I assume that they would, that their support teams were just
1:19:07getting like Lambast at Wibbery's requests. So they put that in there. Uh, unfortunately
1:19:12there are no health accountants who require CSVs.
1:19:15I believe they are called doctors though. Health accountants.
1:19:18Health accountants, Federica, that is an incredibly good joke. You will never get enough credit
1:19:23in your lifetime for how clever that was. Uh, that was very good. Uh, rest days. I can't
1:19:29believe they haven't added this like rest days to your activity rings you
1:19:33need to be able to lose a day right like if someone has a 2000 day activity goal
1:19:41and they have the flu they don't deserve to lose it yeah it's your fault for
1:19:46going outside when it's cold right Federico yeah exactly exactly I honestly
1:19:59challenge you to walk outside in the cold and then tell me that you don't get sick a
1:20:04couple days later.
1:20:06I'm not sick right now and I've been in a really cold environment.
1:20:09Keep moving on, just keep going.
1:20:12Better responses with smarter default replies and scribble autocomplete.
1:20:16I read you a quote that I like a lot.
1:20:17I feel like I tap on my wrist, I look at my Apple Watch, I see a new iMessages come in,
1:20:21I read the message and immediately drop my other wrist to grab my phone so I can actually
1:20:25respond to the message.
1:20:26I thought this was going to be the John Gruber original review for the Apple Watch.
1:20:30No, no, no, no.
1:20:31The default. So like I will say this is my thing here.
1:20:36The default responses inside of the Apple Watch messages app make you sound like a serial killer.
1:20:42If you respond with any of those. Right. Like, OK. Or yes or no or thank you. Nobody,
1:20:51except for Jason Snell, texts like this. Nobody sends messages like this. Right.
1:20:56just okay who says okay with like nobody nothing no emoji nothing it should the
1:21:03watch this should be actually throughout all of iOS right like the quick type bar
1:21:07should be doing this to learn how I type and with machine learning and give me
1:21:14responses based on that right like you should be learning this stuff from me
1:21:20create like one of those machine learning data set algorithms out of my
1:21:24own messages conversations right like you could do this this doesn't seem I
1:21:28mean it's not easy but it doesn't seem like at least starting to do that would
1:21:32be difficult because there is no such thing as a smart reply on in any of this
1:21:37stuff it's all madness nobody communicates in these ways so I I
1:21:42completely agree with with Matt like the there needs to be more there and you can
1:21:48customize them in the watch app but those defaults are still canned
1:21:52responses. They're still cans, right? Like even if you're customising them to make them less like you
1:21:58are a person who hates everybody else in their life, right? Because they're the only, you know,
1:22:04typically if you just reply with the word "no" to a message it means you hate the person that
1:22:10you're responding to. I need to tell people why I'm getting distracted right now and it's because
1:22:16Stephen is texting me quotes from John Gruber's original review of the Apple Watch. We'll put it
1:22:19in the show notes, you can go check it out. It is impossible to read things from a document
1:22:26when you're just getting notifications of this. So I just want everybody to know this is happening
1:22:30to me in my life. My favorite part about this bit of the the watchOS article is adding autocomplete
1:22:37to the scribble deal because I don't know about y'all, I use the scribble keyboard a fair amount,
1:22:42especially if I'm in a position where I can't reply with my voice and it is really frustrating
1:22:48to like spell out every single thing. It's like you have like it already is is guessing your word
1:22:54to a degree because if you make a typo it kind of corrects it for you. It's like just surfaces so I
1:22:59can type three letters and select the word and move on to make it faster. It really is annoying
1:23:04that that's not there. This is if this is all that's in the next version of watchOS I would be
1:23:08happy. I like that scribble thing. I do too. The ability to have shortcuts actions that perform
1:23:14watch functions. It would be nice, right? Like being able to turn on the theater mode
1:23:19or something. That would just be really good if you could do that. You know, the thing
1:23:24that will be asked for forever, third party watch faces. But I really like, it's not going
1:23:30to happen. I really like, and this is kind of a thing that I've been asking for for a
1:23:33while, but Matt puts it in a much better way. Some kind of like build your own watch face
1:23:38tool in the watch app. Give me a bunch of things that I can put together myself. Let
1:23:43me build something. This is a computer. Let me customize it more." So that would be kind
1:23:49of cool. A weekend getaway mode that disables most of the Apple Watch's smart features.
1:23:55So you're basically just left with time, some really important complications and messaging
1:23:59notifications. So you can basically still wear the watch that you like, but it being
1:24:06more chill. If you are like really busy and you don't, or like you want to be busy with
1:24:12life, not busy with work.
1:24:13iPad and Android sync.
1:24:15I mean, mm-mm.
1:24:16- Yeah, no, it's not gonna happen.
1:24:19- The way that they will deal with this situation
1:24:22is just making the Apple Watch completely standalone.
1:24:25Tying it to more devices feels like a backwards step,
1:24:28I think, for what Apple want the iPad to be.
1:24:31But I think they would more clearly like it to be
1:24:33just a completely standalone thing, right?
1:24:35And better always-on watch faces,
1:24:39making them look more like the on watch faces, right?
1:24:42That they're meant to replicate.
1:24:43And I really like this, the idea of showing timers.
1:24:47Like if you have a timer running,
1:24:48show it on the like always on watch face.
1:24:51- Oh my God, yes.
1:24:52- What a great idea, right?
1:24:54Because you can still, like a timer is only gonna run
1:24:56for a period of time, just let it run.
1:25:00Like let it refresh every second like the watch face can
1:25:04during the period of time that the timer's running.
1:25:06It's a great idea.
1:25:07And on the iPhone, if you set a timer, it gets added to your lock screen.
1:25:10So just put it somewhere on the watch face.
1:25:12So this is a really great article.
1:25:14Matt goes into way more detail than we have,
1:25:17but it's also a really beautiful article,
1:25:19so I really recommend that people go and check it out.
1:25:22But I think that this is, as we say,
1:25:24somebody who really understands WatchOS,
1:25:28breaking it down, and explaining the types of features that they would want to see.
1:25:33Is there any more on this?
1:25:35love to see more workout related things. I believe I was talking about this a few months
1:25:42ago on Twitter. Maybe on the show. It would be nice to have automatic workout detection.
1:25:48I still think it's something that Apple should figure out at some point. They do have the
1:25:52automatic workout detection like taking a walk or, you know, like the basic stuff like
1:25:57you're running. But to have that expand to more workout types.
1:26:02I think you're doing X type of workout. Yeah, yeah, that would be great if they
1:26:07can figure it out somehow. I do believe that Apple acquired the company that was
1:26:11sort of working on these years ago and then nothing happened. I mean, I guess
1:26:15maybe what happened was the automatic workout detection for walking and running.
1:26:19Maybe that was it, I don't know. And also it'd be nice to have built-in support
1:26:22for high intensity interval training so you don't have to download those
1:26:29dedicated apps from the App Store, it would be great to have a built-in high-intensity
1:26:38mode in the Workout app for the watch, and to be able to set your metrics and to set
1:26:42your intervals, that would be nice to have.
1:26:46Personally, in addition to this and the rings, which I think is a really good idea, shortcuts
1:26:52is something that I think Apple should do a better job at restoring on the watch, because
1:26:57I think there should be a shortcuts app on the watch. They should bring it back. Running
1:27:03those Siri commands or those suggested shortcuts on the Siri watchways, which by the way I've
1:27:10never seen myself, I don't think it's a good experience. I think people just want to have
1:27:15a way to set certain shortcuts to run on the watch. So I guess what makes the most sense
1:27:21is to have a shortcuts app, and to have a complication that launches the shortcuts app
1:27:24and then you have shortcuts that you can run with one tap.
1:27:27Literally what the workflow app used to be on the watch.
1:27:30Yes. You know, bring it back,
1:27:33make it run on watchOS 7, whatever it's going to look like.
1:27:35And I believe shortcuts users will be happy.
1:27:38I'll probably wrap up today. I said I'd come back to it.
1:27:41I did find John Voorhees' broken grocery list.
1:27:44OK. You have to go and read it, but like just some of...
1:27:47So like one of them is just...
1:27:51Can I take a look at an image? Is there an image?
1:27:52Yeah, yeah, it's in there. I'm going to put it in the chat room too.
1:27:56One is just the word juice, like a million times, just juice juice juice juice juice juice juice juice
1:28:02with a subheading of pomegranate pomegranate pomegranate pomegranate pomegranate and then
1:28:06the word butter and then bread bread bread bread bread bread bread bread bread bread bread bread
1:28:11and sometimes the B in the bread is capitalized and sometimes it isn't and then the note says
1:28:16Italian, Italian, Italian sandwich space sandwich space sandwich and then sandwich Italian
1:28:20[laughter]
1:28:24And then peanut butter peanut butter peanut
1:28:26[laughter]
1:28:31Milk pepper pepper pepper pepper pepper
1:28:33[laughter]
1:28:36Oh man
1:28:37[laughter]
1:28:40What was he doing?
1:28:42[laughter]
1:28:43This brings me so much joy
1:28:45I think he was using like an app that tied into reminders
1:28:50but was also a grocery list, right?
1:28:53- He's always using apps.
1:28:54He's always using apps.
1:28:56- What I like about this so much is the inconsistencies
1:29:01in the repeated data that makes it more funny to me.
1:29:05Like the Italian sandwich one just says Italian.
1:29:08- That's the best part.
1:29:09- Italian Italian Italian, no space, right?
1:29:11Then sandwich space, sandwich space, sandwich space.
1:29:14And then all one word sandwich Italian, Italian, Italian.
1:29:17Like it doesn't make any sense.
1:29:19Look at, he really wanted to buy that bread and make an Italian sandwich.
1:29:24Peanut, butter peanut, butter peanut butter.
1:29:27Butter peanut.
1:29:30And then butter comes again later on.
1:29:32Oh my god, it's so good.
1:29:34Pepper pepper pepper.
1:29:37It's like every time I look at this list, and I have looked at it many times, like I
1:29:42find something new about it that I enjoy.
1:29:46Pomegranate pomegranate pomegranate pomegranate pomegranate.
1:29:48It was very good.
1:29:51Thank you, Jon, for sharing this tweet many months ago.
1:29:54I'm going to retweet this tweet again.
1:29:56It's just like one of my favorite tweets ever.
1:29:58Oh my God.
1:29:59Oh dear.
1:30:00I'm done now.
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