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00:00:02 ◼   ► - Hello and welcome to Connected episode 265.

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00:00:17 ◼   ► My name is Steven Hackett and I am joined

00:00:18 ◼   ► by Mr. Myke Hurley.

00:00:19 ◼   ► - Oh, hello.

00:00:21 ◼   ► - Hey buddy, welcome back.

00:00:22 ◼   ► - Oh, thank you.

00:00:23 ◼   ► - And we are also joined by Mr. Federico Fatici.

00:00:27 ◼   ► - Hello, hi, good afternoon.

00:00:29 ◼   ► Do you think your power is going to stay on this time?

00:00:31 ◼   ► It should. We don't have any new notice on our building, so it should stay on, yes.

00:00:37 ◼   ► It is storming like crazy outside, so we'll see if my power stays up this time.

00:00:41 ◼   ► Life is a rollercoaster, gentlemen. We just gotta ride it.

00:00:44 ◼   ► Mm-hmm.

00:00:45 ◼   ► A rollercoaster of four-hour logic edits.

00:00:47 ◼   ► Yes.

00:00:48 ◼   ► That is a rollercoaster. System overload.

00:00:50 ◼   ► Disc too slow. Too slow. Blow blow blow blow blow blow.

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00:00:55 ◼   ► Just off the top we should say that we're recording this a little early

00:01:00 ◼   ► because Myke and I as you're listening to this are both on vacation. Vacation poorly

00:01:04 ◼   ► planned. If Phil Schiller has stabbed Tim Cook with a sword and on the top of the

00:01:10 ◼   ► Apple Park campus we'll talk about that next week. Is that really

00:01:14 ◼   ► a possibility? I don't know. I want to say if that happened we would release an

00:01:19 ◼   ► emergency episode and we'd just use our phones because that would be so

00:01:22 ◼   ► incredible, how could we not talk about it? That's the only condition in which an

00:01:27 ◼   ► emergency episode will be released is if Phil Schiller swords stabs, runs

00:01:33 ◼   ► Tim Cook through of a sword. To sword stab. Use it in a sentence.

00:01:39 ◼   ► It's the formal way of saying it. So anyway, so we're a few days early so if there's

00:01:43 ◼   ► some weirdness that that's why. We have a little bit of follow-up but we're

00:01:47 ◼   ► super excited because we're gonna talk about Myke's Samsung Galaxy Fold but far

00:01:52 ◼   ► More importantly Apple has shown off new emoji and Fedrick is gonna guess the names. How dare you? How dare you? I

00:01:57 ◼   ► Will talk about it. I just don't care about your phone. I'm sorry

00:02:01 ◼   ► I care about you, but you could care about what I care about. I have given you hours on

00:02:06 ◼   ► Catalina I don't care about Catalina

00:02:09 ◼   ► Yeah, but that's more related to your job than the galaxy folders. You could care about your friend

00:02:14 ◼   ► You could care about your friend. The least you can do is care about your friend and co-founder. I care about my friend

00:02:19 ◼   ► Well, then you should have support me

00:02:21 ◼   ► You should support me in this difficult time of his purchasing decisions

00:02:26 ◼   ► Let's do some follow-up first

00:02:28 ◼   ► I don't really have much to say about this except that iPhone SE owners are the crankiest iPhone owners

00:02:33 ◼   ► But there's this piece on 9to5 Mac where Ben Lovejoy basically complains that we shouldn't use the iPhone SE 2 name

00:02:40 ◼   ► Because it's bigger than the iPhone that he loves like, okay

00:02:43 ◼   ► I really just want to make fun of iPhone SE owners that are cranky. That's all

00:02:46 ◼   ► Apple call it whatever they want. I do have something I want to throw into the mix though with the naming of this phone

00:02:51 ◼   ► I don't think this is going to be the case, but what if they call it the iPhone 9?

00:02:56 ◼   ► The name was never used. It is better than the 8, but not as good as the 11.

00:03:01 ◼   ► They already used 10. 9's kind of just sitting there. iPhone 9.

00:03:05 ◼   ► Sure. Why not? I mean, why not? It's possible.

00:03:09 ◼   ► And then they could update a few years later and call it the iPhone 9 too. That's what I would do.

00:03:14 ◼   ► 9 too. Or it could be like like Porsche's where it's just like the same numbers rearranged every

00:03:20 ◼   ► time so like the new 911 is the 992 just like keep remixing numbers that start

00:03:25 ◼   ► with 9 so maybe we're looking at this if your theory is correct maybe we've been

00:03:29 ◼   ► looking at these all wrong it's not the SC2 it's what's gonna take the place of

00:03:34 ◼   ► the iPhone 8 in the lineup as the more affordable phone the iPhone 8c plastic

00:03:41 ◼   ► I'm just kidding that's a bad idea no but I could see this actually then the

00:03:46 ◼   ► 9 is just there unused. Yeah. Here's my feeling. I don't like the idea of SE2. I don't like

00:03:53 ◼   ► the idea of 9, which means Apple will definitely choose one of them because I like none of

00:03:57 ◼   ► their product names. That's all I know. One of those will be chosen because I don't like

00:04:01 ◼   ► either of them. I think I'm gonna make a stand on iPhone 9. I think that's gonna be my...

00:04:06 ◼   ► Okay. So, if I'm right, I'll win a trophy. We have some unexpected news. iPhone Texas

00:04:13 ◼   ► Hold'em which is a little background. This was an iPod game. I've heard about

00:04:17 ◼   ► on Mac stories forever ago and then it came to the App Store and then it got

00:04:24 ◼   ► updated for the 10th anniversary of the App Store but exactly one year late

00:04:28 ◼   ► because details are hard. It is back again I'm just going to read this Texas

00:04:35 ◼   ► Hold'em comes to the iPad enjoy it in full screen or play it while you do

00:04:38 ◼   ► something else using split view or slide over.

00:04:42 ◼   ► What?

00:04:42 ◼   ► - This is the app of the year.

00:04:46 ◼   ► I'm just gonna call it.

00:04:48 ◼   ► This will win awards.

00:04:50 ◼   ► This is an amazing--

00:04:51 ◼   ► - Is it gonna win the Mac stories select,

00:04:53 ◼   ► what is that what you call it?

00:04:54 ◼   ► - These will be the Mac stories selects

00:04:58 ◼   ► best app update of 2019,

00:05:02 ◼   ► Texas Hold'em in split view.

00:05:04 ◼   ► Really excellent update, right?

00:05:08 ◼   ► I mean we're all excited about this, right?

00:05:09 ◼   ► - So excited.

00:05:11 ◼   ► That's why we're all so quiet because we're so excited.

00:05:14 ◼   ► - We're just in disbelief.

00:05:15 ◼   ► - Just shock really more than anything else.

00:05:18 ◼   ► - I'm having a hard time keeping my breath,

00:05:21 ◼   ► you know, it just sucked right out of me.

00:05:23 ◼   ► - I can't believe nobody's talking about this, honestly.

00:05:26 ◼   ► - Yeah, that is very true.

00:05:28 ◼   ► That is very true.

00:05:29 ◼   ► Because Apple came out with 13.2 Beta 2

00:05:34 ◼   ► and it brought emoji, we will be breaking our promise

00:05:37 ◼   ► for talking about Catalyst apps on this episode,

00:05:39 ◼   ► and we'll probably talk about them next week, right?

00:05:43 ◼   ► - We are just like Catalyst apps themselves,

00:05:45 ◼   ► not quite on time.

00:05:47 ◼   ► - Yeah, late and not fully featured.

00:05:49 ◼   ► So we have work to do,

00:05:51 ◼   ► and it's gonna take us a bit more time, I guess.

00:05:53 ◼   ► Something else more important came along,

00:05:55 ◼   ► just like Catalyst.

00:05:57 ◼   ► This really emoji of the Swift UI to this episode,

00:06:02 ◼   ► if you think about it.

00:06:03 ◼   ► I got charged for my iMac Pro,

00:06:06 ◼   ► It's now preparing to ship.

00:06:07 ◼   ► That's good.

00:06:08 ◼   ► Who knows?

00:06:09 ◼   ► Who knows?

00:06:09 ◼   ► Who knows what's going to happen?

00:06:11 ◼   ► I have heard-- I've had people--

00:06:12 ◼   ► I've had very smart people DMing me saying,

00:06:16 ◼   ► there is no chance that that thing doesn't

00:06:18 ◼   ► have Catalyst on it.

00:06:19 ◼   ► We'll see about that.

00:06:20 ◼   ► I think you mean Catalina.

00:06:22 ◼   ► That's what I meant.

00:06:23 ◼   ► But Catalyst, too, comes in Catalina.

00:06:24 ◼   ► Sure.

00:06:25 ◼   ► Why did they make the name so close?

00:06:27 ◼   ► It's impossible.

00:06:28 ◼   ► My brain can't discern between them.

00:06:30 ◼   ► I found myself writing my review writing the wrong word

00:06:33 ◼   ► more than once.

00:06:34 ◼   ► Catalista.

00:06:35 ◼   ► Does Google Docs include multi-window support?

00:06:38 ◼   ► It doesn't as of the recording.

00:06:40 ◼   ► Yes. Wait, what?

00:06:41 ◼   ► Don't do that. Why does someone...

00:06:43 ◼   ► Why do I keep falling for this?

00:06:45 ◼   ► Every time. You fall for it every time.

00:06:47 ◼   ► And it gets you every single time.

00:06:49 ◼   ► Because it could have happened.

00:06:51 ◼   ► No. I did.

00:06:54 ◼   ► I did. You know what?

00:06:55 ◼   ► Even the Google Docs app did this to me.

00:06:57 ◼   ► So Google Docs updated to support 13.

00:07:00 ◼   ► And I was like, oh, brilliant.

00:07:01 ◼   ► So I took a document, I dragged it, and the little plus

00:07:04 ◼   ► icon came up. I was like, oh my God, another window. They just opened Safari.

00:07:08 ◼   ► It's like, oh man, why is everybody doing this to me?

00:07:12 ◼   ► So, you know, we're still not there.

00:07:15 ◼   ► We mentioned 13.2 Beta 2 has come out.

00:07:18 ◼   ► It brought with it new emoji, but some other things, some other cool features,

00:07:22 ◼   ► a couple of which you can now delete apps from a long press contextual menu,

00:07:26 ◼   ► which is awesome.

00:07:27 ◼   ► That is one of those things where once you start using the operating system,

00:07:31 ◼   ► you can see how that's needed.

00:07:32 ◼   ► And you can also now change video settings.

00:07:36 ◼   ► So whether you want to be like 4K or 30 frames a second, 60 frames a second,

00:07:41 ◼   ► all that kind of stuff, you can change those now within the camera app itself,

00:07:44 ◼   ► which is more needed now than before,

00:07:48 ◼   ► because it actually changes the lenses that you can use, right?

00:07:52 ◼   ► So it's definitely now a much more needed thing

00:07:56 ◼   ► rather than just something that maybe certain people needed

00:07:59 ◼   ► because they were like video professionals or whatever.

00:08:02 ◼   ► You know, you know that reminds me of do you remember I mean, this was years ago probably even before we started recording together

00:08:08 ◼   ► There was a movement where people said settings should be in the Settings app. Do you remember this? Mm-hmm? Yes

00:08:15 ◼   ► iPhone developers, you know, they're people it's still today people

00:08:19 ◼   ► Sometimes put settings in their app and sometimes some things are I think most of the time people put settings in their apps, right?

00:08:27 ◼   ► But then there are sometimes settings in the Settings app as well, which is weird, right?

00:08:32 ◼   ► But it's really changed now where I think the settings app is mostly like system settings. Anyways, it was a big movement

00:08:36 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean years ago

00:08:38 ◼   ► No, all your settings should be in the settings app and it was a bad movement and they lost history will forget them

00:08:43 ◼   ► I think that it is right to put app settings inside of the app because I want to change the setting when I'm in the

00:08:49 ◼   ► App, I don't want to then leave the app go to settings

00:08:51 ◼   ► That's breaks the yeah, and then if it's not what you wanted you have to go back right like and with the camera app

00:08:56 ◼   ► Yeah

00:08:57 ◼   ► It was so bad because sometimes you need to change a setting very quickly if you wanted to capture something

00:09:02 ◼   ► It's like and and the camera settings were pretty far down in the list in the settings app and there were so many of them

00:09:09 ◼   ► Like by the time you figured out what you wanted to do like your shot was long gone

00:09:14 ◼   ► And so I'm glad that this is here. This is a really good move. Yeah, it's not the so in beta 2 the

00:09:19 ◼   ► There's basically no UI to do this

00:09:22 ◼   ► you really just tap on the

00:09:26 ◼   ► frame rate and video quality and you toggle between formats or

00:09:29 ◼   ► frame rates. It's not ideal. There's no menu. There's no interface, but it's something

00:09:35 ◼   ► It's just a bit unfinished for now, but it does the job. I mean you can tap on it

00:09:40 ◼   ► I wonder how many people will discover it. Maybe that's the point

00:09:43 ◼   ► Maybe only professionals need it and those people will know that they can tap on it now

00:09:47 ◼   ► Could be nicer, could be a bit better, but it does the job, I guess

00:09:53 ◼   ► And also, you know, you've probably seen a lot of headlines that there are 200 new emoji in 13.2 Beta 2

00:09:59 ◼   ► That is both like that's like technique. It's only technically true. So there is only about

00:10:05 ◼   ► Around 50 to 60 brand new emoji. Okay, so don't worry Federico. We're not gonna be here for hours

00:10:12 ◼   ► There's a large selection of emoji that are

00:10:17 ◼   ► gender neutral versions. So like you could have like there's been like male

00:10:21 ◼   ► vampire, female vampire. There is now like a gender neutral vampire.

00:10:26 ◼   ► So they've added some of those. So they're not like technically new.

00:10:29 ◼   ► They're just variations. The rest are combinations of

00:10:33 ◼   ► people. So if you have a emoji where there are multiple people,

00:10:37 ◼   ► Apple has now created a great piece of UI to allow you to select

00:10:43 ◼   ► between different races and genders within the emoji picker.

00:10:46 ◼   ► So you press down and you get this little tool to build a pair or to build like a group.

00:10:51 ◼   ► So that's some of the new emojis or selections, but I wanted to just point out that Apple

00:10:56 ◼   ► has built this new UI to allow you to do it, which is just like a really nice piece of

00:11:01 ◼   ► design.

00:11:02 ◼   ► I will include a link in the show notes to Jeremy Birch who is showing it off.

00:11:06 ◼   ► Me and Jeremy had often had conversations about this, of like how are they going to

00:11:10 ◼   ► implement this when this came out and Apple has done what was expected just to build something

00:11:15 ◼   ► within the emoji picker to do that. So that is 13.2 Beta 2, except for the fact that it

00:11:22 ◼   ► broke everybody's iPads.

00:11:24 ◼   ► Ah, yes. You know, I got a bunch of replies last night on Twitter of very kind people

00:11:32 ◼   ► saying, "Well, actually, your iPad is not bricked if you can restore it." And I want

00:11:37 ◼   ► to thank all those people for very so helpfully correcting me about the meaning of what it

00:11:43 ◼   ► means to brick something. Practically speaking, if I have an iPad that is stuck at the installation

00:11:50 ◼   ► progress with a completed progress bar that does nothing, that just shows me the Apple

00:11:55 ◼   ► logo, that's what I would call a bricked iPad, but I'm sorry.

00:11:59 ◼   ► No, there's possibly no way I could understand what you were saying Federico, I'm afraid.

00:12:04 ◼   ► There's no way, I'm sorry. You'll have to find a different way to explain it.

00:12:08 ◼   ► You know, I blame it on my Italian origins, my English.

00:12:12 ◼   ► I am not a native English speaker, as you would say.

00:12:15 ◼   ► I am not American.

00:12:18 ◼   ► I'm doing the best of my second language.

00:12:20 ◼   ► I'm doing my best, and I got this verb wrong.

00:12:22 ◼   ► I'm so sorry to all those software engineers on Twitter.

00:12:26 ◼   ► My bad.

00:12:26 ◼   ► I'm sorry.

00:12:27 ◼   ► I didn't go to MIT.

00:12:28 ◼   ► I'm so sorry--

00:12:29 ◼   ► It's to you.

00:12:30 ◼   ► --that I got it wrong.

00:12:32 ◼   ► Anyways, I'm now running an iPad Pro as a clean install,

00:12:36 ◼   ► because why not?

00:12:37 ◼   ► I mean, I needed to do--

00:12:40 ◼   ► Hey, at least you got rid of all the cruft, right?

00:12:42 ◼   ► Well...

00:12:43 ◼   ► [Laughter]

00:12:45 ◼   ► Did I?

00:12:46 ◼   ► Who knows, man?

00:12:48 ◼   ► Nobody knows.

00:12:49 ◼   ► Because it sure feels snappier, as the meme goes.

00:12:53 ◼   ► But, you know, I got these notes on my iPad Pro,

00:12:58 ◼   ► and they're not syncing to other devices.

00:13:01 ◼   ► I'm just...

00:13:03 ◼   ► -It does feel like... -So it's getting worse, then?

00:13:05 ◼   ► Your note-syncing problem?

00:13:07 ◼   ► So let me see.

00:13:08 ◼   ► because I saved five notes this morning on my iPad Pro. It says that it's syncing, I see the spinner

00:13:17 ◼   ► icon spinning on the iPad, but those notes are not on my phone, are not on iCloud.com,

00:13:23 ◼   ► they're just on my iPad. And this is a clean install of 13.2.0. So if I were, again, I'm not a

00:13:32 ◼   ► software engineer and I apologize, but it does feel like something is deeply

00:13:37 ◼   ► wrong in my iCloud account when it comes to this particular device, the iPad Pro.

00:13:43 ◼   ► No matter if it's an old version of iOS or a clean install of iOS, the notes just

00:13:49 ◼   ► get stuck most of the time. But then again, I'm not a software engineer, so who knows?

00:13:55 ◼   ► You need some sort of like iCloud plunger, like really shove it

00:14:00 ◼   ► through there. Yeah something is stuck. It's probably some kind of base64 encoded Apple

00:14:06 ◼   ► Note. Again? Oh my god. It's just stuck in there somewhere. It's 100% that. My Notes

00:14:11 ◼   ► app has 369 notes. Those would be 384 on the iPad Pro because it's got 5 more that are

00:14:21 ◼   ► not syncing. You have less notes than me. Mine's like 400 and something. I'm at 500.

00:14:27 ◼   ► One of them are base64 stuff.

00:14:29 ◼   ► No, but you've got it all up in your iCloud somewhere, man.

00:14:34 ◼   ► Something stuck, it's choking on something.

00:14:35 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:14:37 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:14:38 ◼   ► Somebody will...

00:14:39 ◼   ► Eventually somebody will look at this and, you know, maybe they will reset iCloud for

00:14:45 ◼   ► me.

00:14:46 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:14:47 ◼   ► File a radar.

00:14:48 ◼   ► Sure.

00:14:49 ◼   ► All right, so we are going to get into second annual emoji naming contest.

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00:17:03 ◼   ► Shall I establish some of the parameters for the emoji name guessing?

00:17:07 ◼   ► I feel like we also need a, this needs a name, like this process needs a name that we have

00:17:12 ◼   ► yet to nail down.

00:17:13 ◼   ► Yes.

00:17:14 ◼   ► But the game where Federico tries to guess the emoji names.

00:17:17 ◼   ► I got the name, I got it.

00:17:18 ◼   ► What's the name? We have the Rickies for our picks. This is the Jeremy's.

00:17:23 ◼   ► The second annual Jeremy's. This is where Federico tries to guess. So good, Steven, that's

00:17:36 ◼   ► maybe the best thing you've ever done. That's perfect. So we have that now. This is where

00:17:41 ◼   ► Federico attempts to guess the name of the new emoji that a part of the emoji 12.0

00:17:47 ◼   ► Unicode standard, but that we have some parameters this time. We're not going to have Federico guess

00:17:54 ◼   ► all of the emoji names. There's some stuff that's kind of pointless, like they've added some

00:18:00 ◼   ► different colors of squares and hearts. It's not necessary. As well as, as I mentioned earlier, the

00:18:08 ◼   ► the additions of gender neutral emoji for existing emoji characters. We're not

00:18:14 ◼   ► going to be including those. And also I have been conferring with the namesake

00:18:19 ◼   ► of the Jeremy's, Mr. Jeremy Burge, about the exact naming that we will have

00:18:24 ◼   ► Federico guessing against, because if you may remember from last time there's two

00:18:29 ◼   ► types of names. There is an emoji short name and an emoji long name. Jeremy told

00:18:34 ◼   ► me that the Unicode Consortium, I'm going to assume because of this game, decided to

00:18:39 ◼   ► basically unify this in most instances, where the short name is now basically the only name

00:18:46 ◼   ► unless a descriptor is needed. But we're also not going to have Federico guess all of the

00:18:53 ◼   ► various multiples that there are for some of these, like skin tone colors and stuff.

00:18:59 ◼   ► So we'll be going with like a top level one and going from there. And so that kind of

00:19:04 ◼   ► leaves us with let me see one two three four five six seven eight one two three

00:19:08 ◼   ► four five six was eight times six 48 we're guessing 48 emoji okay that's what

00:19:14 ◼   ► it's left us with and I will be keeping score of how many he gets right versus

00:19:19 ◼   ► how many he gets incorrect and we'll just judge how are we judging correct

00:19:24 ◼   ► and incorrect I think we know when we see it I think if I you know I think you

00:19:28 ◼   ► What's in it for me besides glory?

00:19:32 ◼   ► -Glory. -Mostly just glory.

00:19:34 ◼   ► -Just glory. -Okay, okay. Cool.

00:19:37 ◼   ► Because we've yet to kind of establish maybe a grading,

00:19:40 ◼   ► you know, like of how many of the total percentage you get, correct?

00:19:43 ◼   ► We haven't worked that out yet. So let's see where we go this year.

00:19:46 ◼   ► It's a process.

00:19:47 ◼   ► Unfortunately, we only get to do this once a year,

00:19:50 ◼   ► but we've established a name, so we've done that work at least.

00:19:52 ◼   ► Yes. Okay.

00:19:54 ◼   ► Yeah, I'm going to retire until next fall.

00:19:56 ◼   ► I think I've done my work for the year.

00:19:58 ◼   ► Yeah, you're good now. You've made your number one contribution, thank you for that.

00:20:03 ◼   ► Alright, so I clicked on the link that you shared.

00:20:06 ◼   ► I'm now looking at a grid of emoji here.

00:20:13 ◼   ► We're gonna start Federico, obviously as you would, top left and going across the rows from left to right.

00:20:18 ◼   ► And we should say, if you're playing along at home you can check out the link.

00:20:22 ◼   ► It's also the chapter art for this chapter.

00:20:24 ◼   ► So if you're an overcast or a modern podcast client that sports that sort of thing, you

00:20:28 ◼   ► can see him as we go.

00:20:31 ◼   ► This is a thing where you should look at him because it's a lot funnier if you know what

00:20:35 ◼   ► it is and Federico doesn't.

00:20:39 ◼   ► And I should say that Max Soris has published news about emoji in 2019.

00:20:46 ◼   ► I have not looked at any of those posts.

00:20:49 ◼   ► John and Ryan handled those for me.

00:20:53 ◼   ► This is the first time that I'm looking in detail at the complete overview of new emoji

00:20:58 ◼   ► in 2019.

00:20:59 ◼   ► I've only seen a few in passing on Twitter as individual images.

00:21:05 ◼   ► This is the first time that I'm closely inspecting them.

00:21:08 ◼   ► All right, stop stalling and get to guessing.

00:21:10 ◼   ► All right.

00:21:11 ◼   ► Well, we'll begin with a very...

00:21:14 ◼   ► This is gonna be a very contentious one.

00:21:17 ◼   ► So first off, I mean, right away, this is an emoji used to shame men.

00:21:22 ◼   ► I'm guessing.

00:21:23 ◼   ► This emoji, actually, when it was first proposed, got traction for that exact reason.

00:21:33 ◼   ► Yes.

00:21:34 ◼   ► So either that or it could be an emoji to measure a thickness of, like, hey, the new

00:21:43 ◼   ► iPhone is thinner than before, and you would say, like, how thinner, and you would be this

00:21:48 ◼   ► thinner.

00:21:49 ◼   ► Is that your full name of the emoji?

00:21:51 ◼   ► No, no.

00:21:53 ◼   ► No?

00:21:55 ◼   ► No? So I would say...

00:21:57 ◼   ► I don't know when you're making your guesses.

00:21:59 ◼   ► Okay, my guess, my guess...

00:22:01 ◼   ► My guess is this emoji is the emoji for guessing how thick your phone is.

00:22:05 ◼   ► This is...

00:22:09 ◼   ► Hand Measuring Object.

00:22:12 ◼   ► That is so wrong, my friend.

00:22:14 ◼   ► Pinching Hand. That is the name of this emoji.

00:22:18 ◼   ► What? Pinching?

00:22:20 ◼   ► Yeah, it's a pinching action. Before the pinch has been completed.

00:22:23 ◼   ► You don't pinch like that! That's no way to pinch!

00:22:25 ◼   ► How do you pinch?

00:22:26 ◼   ► You're measuring something!

00:22:27 ◼   ► I don't want to know, actually. I retract my question.

00:22:31 ◼   ► Alright, next one.

00:22:34 ◼   ► Okay, so obviously it's a face yawning.

00:22:39 ◼   ► So either the name would be...

00:22:42 ◼   ► Well, the obvious one usually is not correct.

00:22:46 ◼   ► But the creative one could be a bridge too far.

00:22:49 ◼   ► too far. So the creative option would be "I'm bored". Like the name of the emoji would be

00:22:54 ◼   ► "I'm bored". I feel like you have played this game before, but you haven't played this game

00:23:00 ◼   ► before. Is that right? Okay. Alright, so I'm going with the obvious option of "Yawning

00:23:05 ◼   ► face". You got that 100% correct. Nice! Oh! We have a bell! There's a bell! Oh my god.

00:23:12 ◼   ► Oh my god. Very nice.

00:23:14 ◼   ► Ok, so next one, third emoji, there's an ear with...

00:23:19 ◼   ► That's like one of those devices that help people.

00:23:24 ◼   ► The one that sort of... I think... I believe my...

00:23:26 ◼   ► Yeah, you see this is interesting to me.

00:23:28 ◼   ► I... just as you started saying, I was like,

00:23:31 ◼   ► "Does Federico know the term in English for this device?"

00:23:35 ◼   ► Well, we're getting ready to find out.

00:23:36 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:23:37 ◼   ► Because you didn't say it, right? You were just like, so I'm intrigued.

00:23:42 ◼   ► There's a word that I've seen before, but I'm not sure if that word is what I'm looking at right now.

00:23:52 ◼   ► And I'm not even sure how to pronounce it, because I've only seen it printed as text.

00:23:58 ◼   ► The cochlear implant?

00:24:02 ◼   ► I'm not going to tell you one way or another. I can't say. I can't say.

00:24:05 ◼   ► But is that how you say it? Cochlear implant? There is indeed a thing called a cochlear implant, yes.

00:24:12 ◼   ► Okay, so either that or so either it's cochlear implant or what's the name? We published something

00:24:22 ◼   ► on Mac stories about this, like there's M.I.Fi devices that work like this, that help you hear

00:24:29 ◼   ► better and they work with the iPhone. Yeah, I'm not... But this is not a cochlear implant.

00:24:38 ◼   ► Or is it? Well, I don't know. So you guys are obviously not helping, so I'm going with...

00:24:46 ◼   ► No, of course we're not helping. Well, this is just cruel. I'm going with cochlear implant.

00:24:51 ◼   ► Okay. This is ear with hearing aid? Hearing aid! That's what I was thinking of! Oh my

00:24:57 ◼   ► Cochlear implants like a totally different thing. I think it's where it's connected to the brain. Is that right Steven?

00:25:02 ◼   ► It's like it's like under the scalp. Yeah, yeah

00:25:04 ◼   ► You're in the ballpark, but I think you're incorrect. Yeah, you are

00:25:08 ◼   ► Yes, okay, right there are there are

00:25:13 ◼   ► hearing aids that work with iPhones if my dad has a set and it's

00:25:16 ◼   ► It's actually wild like he can change like how they work and the volume and everything right from his phone. It's cool

00:25:21 ◼   ► So the the fourth one is this is obviously an Italian robot

00:25:26 ◼   ► There's a robot doing a gesture with its hand, and it's like "Hey, what are you talking about?

00:25:35 ◼   ► You talking to me?"

00:25:37 ◼   ► This is "Roboticom Cutoff in Traffic in Rome."

00:25:40 ◼   ► That's the full name of this movie.

00:25:42 ◼   ► It's like "Hey, what you doing?"

00:25:44 ◼   ► With an Italian accent.

00:25:46 ◼   ► This is Italian robot.

00:25:48 ◼   ► Is that really what you're going with?

00:25:50 ◼   ► I just want to double check this before you're going with Italian robot.

00:25:54 ◼   ► Well, I mean, why else would you do that gesture?

00:25:57 ◼   ► It's like, yes, I'm going with Italian robot because that's what an Italian robot would

00:26:03 ◼   ► do.

00:26:04 ◼   ► Okay, this is a mechanical arm?

00:26:05 ◼   ► No.

00:26:06 ◼   ► But here's the thing though, Federico, have you ever looked at the emoji keyboard before

00:26:11 ◼   ► and seen what is already the arm in that looks exactly like this one?

00:26:15 ◼   ► Yeah, it's like the flex muscle arm.

00:26:18 ◼   ► You mean Italian arm?

00:26:19 ◼   ► CGP Grey style.

00:26:20 ◼   ► Oh, Italian arm.

00:26:21 ◼   ► Okay.

00:26:22 ◼   ► This is a robotic hand doing the commonly accepted Italian gesture.

00:26:30 ◼   ► This gesture, you know, with your fingers all together, it's so flexible, it can be used for anything.

00:26:37 ◼   ► Well, once again, you have identified a secondary use for the emoji, but its primary use, which is what you're trying to guess, is...

00:26:44 ◼   ► What's the name again?

00:26:45 ◼   ► Mechanical arm.

00:26:47 ◼   ► Mechanical arm?

00:26:48 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:26:48 ◼   ► Alright, well, okay, so because I'm looking for points, the next one is gonna be mechanical leg.

00:26:54 ◼   ► That is correct.

00:26:55 ◼   ► Hey, nice, okay. Okay, so, next one. This is a swimsuit. And it's...

00:27:05 ◼   ► How would you classify this color? Blue? Light blue? Greenish?

00:27:10 ◼   ► Sure, somewhere in there.

00:27:12 ◼   ► Aquamarine? Is that even a name?

00:27:14 ◼   ► So I could go with aqua...

00:27:17 ◼   ► Would you believe it? This is in fact called Aqua... No, it's not called Aquamarine Swimsuit.

00:27:22 ◼   ► But we can wish. Oh, I was gonna say Aquamarine Swimsuit. That was gonna be my pick, but thank

00:27:26 ◼   ► you, Myke. So, see, that's where I'm torn, because I'm looking at three emoji in this first row,

00:27:33 ◼   ► and there's this Aquamarine Swimsuit, there's a orange... We're gonna talk about this. There's

00:27:38 ◼   ► orange shorts and there's another ostensibly looks like a like a man's swimsuit uh i'm not sure what

00:27:48 ◼   ► i'm looking at the last one yeah it could be but what's the last one then well okay swimsuit

00:27:54 ◼   ► swimsuit it's incorrect no why it is one piece swimsuit one piece yes yeah versus like two-piece

00:28:06 ◼   ► like something like a bikini. Yep. One piece, two piece. Nobody calls it a two piece swimsuit.

00:28:11 ◼   ► Yes they do. Yes they do. They call it, no everybody calls it a bikini. No they don't Federica.

00:28:16 ◼   ► What yes we do in Italy we do it's a bikini. It's not a two piece swimsuit. Who says that?

00:28:23 ◼   ► This was not created by an Italian board of people so your standards do not apply here my friend.

00:28:28 ◼   ► Literally nobody says oh I'm going to the beach with a two piece swimsuit. Yes they do. They 100%

00:28:35 ◼   ► Are you a dictionary? That's not how people talk.

00:28:38 ◼   ► Okay, so I'm not 100% sure of this, but I'm going to say it anyway because I think it's

00:28:42 ◼   ► true. I do not believe all two pieces are spikinis and all bikinis. That's not the same

00:28:47 ◼   ► thing. But anyway.

00:28:48 ◼   ► Well, that is also factually untrue. Anyway, what's the…

00:28:51 ◼   ► What's the best way for people to send you feedback on this episode?

00:28:55 ◼   ► Twitter. So I'm never going to see it. What's this one-piece swimsuit?

00:29:01 ◼   ► Yes, one-piece swimsuit.

00:29:03 ◼   ► Okay, okay, so moving on. These are orange shorts, right? It looks like what I use to work out.

00:29:12 ◼   ► Yep, that is what they are, yes.

00:29:14 ◼   ► So it doesn't make sense to say one-piece shorts because they are always, well, one-piece.

00:29:22 ◼   ► So either it's just short, I think it's shorts.

00:29:25 ◼   ► Correct.

00:29:27 ◼   ► Yes! Okay, so the last one. See, I'm really torn on this one.

00:29:32 ◼   ► I think you're gonna struggle with this.

00:29:34 ◼   ► These, again, ostensibly they look like pants.

00:29:37 ◼   ► You mean underwear pants?

00:29:38 ◼   ► Yes, but they are, they are green.

00:29:41 ◼   ► The color has not served you well so far, remember?

00:29:45 ◼   ► The color, the color has not served me well so far.

00:29:48 ◼   ► Unless...

00:29:49 ◼   ► They have a peculiar shape.

00:29:51 ◼   ► I'm really, I'm really not sure what to say because I don't see Apple calling them,

00:29:56 ◼   ► Well, underwear. But why make them green? It looks like a smaller swimsuit.

00:30:06 ◼   ► Yeah, I'm not sure. I would go with underwear pants.

00:30:15 ◼   ► This is incorrect. These are called briefs.

00:30:18 ◼   ► Briefs? That's a good word.

00:30:21 ◼   ► Yeah. That's because "briefs" is a good word to get around calling them anything else, right?

00:30:26 ◼   ► Right. Because you can't call them pants because that doesn't make sense in some parts of the world.

00:30:31 ◼   ► Underwear might say too much because it's not technically underwear because it could also be

00:30:35 ◼   ► trunks, right? Like swimming trunks so they won't be briefs. "Briefs" is the word.

00:30:40 ◼   ► Okay. So that is the top line. Stephen, how many did we get from the top line correct?

00:30:44 ◼   ► We have three correct and five incorrect.

00:30:47 ◼   ► Woo! Federico.

00:30:49 ◼   ► That's a good track record.

00:30:50 ◼   ► Is it?

00:30:51 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:30:52 ◼   ► Okay.

00:30:53 ◼   ► Okay.

00:30:54 ◼   ► I'm rocking it so far.

00:30:58 ◼   ► Second row.

00:30:59 ◼   ► So this, again, yes I am.

00:31:01 ◼   ► So second row, again, very obviously, this is the Italian gesture for yummy.

00:31:08 ◼   ► Is it?

00:31:09 ◼   ► It is like touching your cheek with your index finger.

00:31:12 ◼   ► Like yummy.

00:31:13 ◼   ► That's delicious.

00:31:14 ◼   ► What are the lines?

00:31:15 ◼   ► Is that pasta flying at you?

00:31:16 ◼   ► See that's that that to me could easily indicate the moving of the hand. This is the moving

00:31:24 ◼   ► of the like say this is yummy. So it's it's a woman doing the yummy face.

00:31:34 ◼   ► What do you think the answer is to that?

00:31:38 ◼   ► Do you think you got that?

00:31:39 ◼   ► Okay. No. Okay. Do I have a second chance?

00:31:42 ◼   ► No. Sure. No, because he gets another go with the next

00:31:46 ◼   ► It's the exact same thing! We can't, right? Like, he's- that is incorrect.

00:31:50 ◼   ► Okay, okay, so that's wrong. I'm putting down a mark in the wrong column.

00:31:53 ◼   ► Now, do I want to give him what the actual correct answer was?

00:31:56 ◼   ► I guess so, right? Can't break from tradition.

00:31:58 ◼   ► Well, there's another one. There's another one that I can guess.

00:32:00 ◼   ► Alright, you want to have a go rather than me telling you what it's-

00:32:03 ◼   ► Yeah, don't tell me.

00:32:04 ◼   ► Alright, go on. So go for the next one.

00:32:05 ◼   ► So, if it's not somebody pointing at their cheek because they are appreciating the food, it might as well-

00:32:12 ◼   ► The squid and linguine. That's next.

00:32:13 ◼   ► Yes, might as well be somebody... well, see they're pointing at the cheek, not the ear,

00:32:21 ◼   ► but the lines could indicate hearing, so, I don't know, something with deaf, deaf man.

00:32:28 ◼   ► Correct.

00:32:29 ◼   ► Really?

00:32:30 ◼   ► That is deaf man, yeah.

00:32:31 ◼   ► Oh!

00:32:32 ◼   ► No, I don't know, and I'm sure we can find this out, this might be like the American

00:32:37 ◼   ► sign language term for deaf, right, is what they're showing, as opposed to pointing at

00:32:42 ◼   ► the ear, I don't know.

00:32:43 ◼   ► I would assume that's the case.

00:32:45 ◼   ► It is.

00:32:46 ◼   ► It is the deaf ASL sign.

00:32:47 ◼   ► There you go.

00:32:48 ◼   ► And I would have… my recommendation to you Federico is just to pay attention to the context

00:32:53 ◼   ► in which these emoji are shown, which could have helped you a little bit more than woman

00:32:57 ◼   ► doing the yummy face.

00:33:00 ◼   ► But you do your thing, man.

00:33:01 ◼   ► Do you want to go for the next one?

00:33:03 ◼   ► Yes, this is… okay, so you're suggesting that I go very, very, you know, easy here.

00:33:11 ◼   ► Okay, so this is a woman with a...

00:33:13 ◼   ► And my next piece of advice to you will just be, again, to look at the row, right?

00:33:17 ◼   ► To think about the wording you might need here.

00:33:20 ◼   ► Yes, this is like an accessibility row.

00:33:23 ◼   ► No, but like look at what the next set of emoji have got

00:33:26 ◼   ► and consider what the naming for this could be,

00:33:29 ◼   ► because it might not be as simple as you think it's going to be.

00:33:31 ◼   ► I don't know what you mean.

00:33:33 ◼   ► Because I'm looking for specificity with these four.

00:33:36 ◼   ► That's a lot of help.

00:33:37 ◼   ► Well, maybe a lot of help, but I'm not following at all.

00:33:42 ◼   ► All right, cool.

00:33:42 ◼   ► This is called Deaf Man, and the previous one

00:33:45 ◼   ► was called Deaf Woman.

00:33:46 ◼   ► Yep.

00:33:47 ◼   ► OK, so the next one we're looking at a woman.

00:33:50 ◼   ► She got the same purple t-shirt as Deaf Woman on a wheelchair.

00:33:56 ◼   ► So that's a wheelchair, but how do you call the next one?

00:34:04 ◼   ► like an automatic wheelchair? Because we have a wheelchair and then we have another wheelchair,

00:34:13 ◼   ► but like the one with the with the con... with more wheels and the control, like there's a joystick

00:34:19 ◼   ► in that one and it looks like one of those wheelchairs that you don't need to push manually,

00:34:23 ◼   ► but they have controls. They go like electric, it could be called electric wheelchair. It could be.

00:34:30 ◼   ► So, um, all right. I'm going with woman on wheelchair.

00:34:35 ◼   ► - That is incorrect.

00:34:37 ◼   ► - What? How? How is it incorrect?

00:34:40 ◼   ► - You are thinking in the right direction.

00:34:43 ◼   ► - Yes.

00:34:43 ◼   ► - But you're not quite there.

00:34:44 ◼   ► - But you haven't gone.

00:34:45 ◼   ► I told you I was looking for specificity.

00:34:47 ◼   ► - That is not called a wheelchair?

00:34:49 ◼   ► - I'm not, that's not what I said.

00:34:51 ◼   ► - Woman on mechanical wheelchair.

00:34:54 ◼   ► - No, all right. So hold on a second here.

00:34:56 ◼   ► You don't get a second.

00:34:57 ◼   ► - Woman on manual wheelchair.

00:34:58 ◼   ► - Federico, Federico, Federico.

00:35:00 ◼   ► And Steven rescind the bell. He doesn't get multiple guesses.

00:35:04 ◼   ► So woman...

00:35:05 ◼   ► Well, he can apply that one to the man in manual wheelchair.

00:35:08 ◼   ► We'll give him one right and one wrong.

00:35:09 ◼   ► But that's what I want to hear him say.

00:35:11 ◼   ► Thank you, Steven. I love you. I always have.

00:35:13 ◼   ► I gave him one right and one wrong.

00:35:15 ◼   ► Alright, so that is woman in manual wheelchair and man in manual wheelchair.

00:35:20 ◼   ► Okay, then the next ones...

00:35:23 ◼   ► So if this one is called manual,

00:35:26 ◼   ► The next one, I said electric, but it could be automatic, because it's the opposite of manual.

00:35:33 ◼   ► But is automatic wheelchair a thing, or is electric wheelchair? I'm going with

00:35:39 ◼   ► woman in automatic wheelchair. - Incorrect.

00:35:42 ◼   ► What was it? - I'm not telling you, because the next one...

00:35:47 ◼   ► Choose a different adjective. - Man... See, but electric wheelchair,

00:35:54 ◼   ► It sounds horrible. Like, it sounds like the electric chair. Like, I don't like it.

00:35:59 ◼   ► Yeah, it doesn't sound right. But why don't you consider that you may not have the answer in that,

00:36:04 ◼   ► then? Right? Oh, you mean it's not called a wheelchair at all? No, that's not what I'm saying.

00:36:09 ◼   ► You're, you know, you're fixating on the wrong word. You are, you are a man of many implications.

00:36:16 ◼   ► You don't talk clearly to me. No, I'm not talking, because if I talk clearly to you,

00:36:20 ◼   ► I give you the answers.

00:36:22 ◼   ► Man in electric wheelchair.

00:36:25 ◼   ► Incorrect.

00:36:26 ◼   ► Really?

00:36:27 ◼   ► Oh, come on.

00:36:28 ◼   ► This is woman in motorized wheelchair.

00:36:30 ◼   ► Motorized.

00:36:31 ◼   ► And man in motorized wheelchair.

00:36:34 ◼   ► Motorized.

00:36:35 ◼   ► All right.

00:36:36 ◼   ► Well, so then the next two, I gotta be honest, first reaction before I looked at the, you

00:36:44 ◼   ► know, this accessibility row, they looked like those people that go by the Trevi Fountain

00:36:49 ◼   ► in Rome and they pick up coins from the fountain.

00:36:52 ◼   ► Oh, like a metal detector?

00:36:53 ◼   ► Because they have a metal stick with a magnet and they steal coins.

00:36:57 ◼   ► Again, I think you found a very good legitimate second use for that emoji.

00:37:01 ◼   ► It's a very specific second use.

00:37:03 ◼   ► But hey, look, there's going to be a community of people

00:37:05 ◼   ► that's going to be real big for that.

00:37:06 ◼   ► You know, like the the metal collecting community,

00:37:08 ◼   ► they're going to go crazy for this.

00:37:10 ◼   ► I think if you co-opt an accessibility emoji for your subculture,

00:37:14 ◼   ► like maybe just think about the kind of person you want to be.

00:37:17 ◼   ► It's not co-opting.

00:37:18 ◼   ► - Like a bad thing to do. - Borrowing! I don't know.

00:37:21 ◼   ► So obviously this is not women stealing coins.

00:37:24 ◼   ► Although that would be fantastic.

00:37:27 ◼   ► This is a blind person with a walking stick.

00:37:32 ◼   ► But is it called a walking stick?

00:37:34 ◼   ► Or is my English bad because I'm a poor boy from Italy and English is my second language?

00:37:40 ◼   ► Oh god.

00:37:41 ◼   ► In hindsight, you were the best person to play this game.

00:37:46 ◼   ► Because we can always lean on that. Like, how could he have known?

00:37:50 ◼   ► Yeah, and I could play my accent like "Oh, I'm just a poor boy for me in a lead!"

00:37:54 ◼   ► "Isn't it all a pizza? I don't know!"

00:37:59 ◼   ► "I just don't know all the emoji, huh?"

00:38:10 ◼   ► Woman with walking... no!

00:38:12 ◼   ► Hmm... or is it... or blind woman with walking stick?

00:38:16 ◼   ► Or... yeah... hmm...

00:38:19 ◼   ► But they don't have to be necessarily like blind to have a walking stick.

00:38:23 ◼   ► Or do they?

00:38:24 ◼   ► They could be partially blind, they could be legally blind and have a walking stick.

00:38:28 ◼   ► That's true.

00:38:30 ◼   ► Well I'm going with woman with walking stick.

00:38:33 ◼   ► That is incorrect.

00:38:34 ◼   ► Is it because it lacks blind or because it's not called a walking stick?

00:38:38 ◼   ► You have another shot.

00:38:39 ◼   ► "Blind man with walking stick"

00:38:42 ◼   ► That is also incorrect.

00:38:44 ◼   ► "Oh my god, what's it called?"

00:38:46 ◼   ► "Woman with probing cane, a man with probing cane"

00:38:51 ◼   ► Because the stick does not help them walk.

00:38:54 ◼   ► "Well that's what you think, maybe it does"

00:38:57 ◼   ► Okay it assists them in moving, but a walking stick is used for somebody

00:39:02 ◼   ► who has a poor use of a leg, right?

00:39:04 ◼   ► "A probing cane"

00:39:06 ◼   ► Right, helps them

00:39:07 ◼   ► it's like an outdoor cane an off-road cane maybe if you would have gone with that all right so

00:39:12 ◼   ► we're two lines down what is the score now we have five right and 11 wrong that's going well

00:39:22 ◼   ► going really well so far okay uh third i will say i think they're going to get easier for a minute

00:39:30 ◼   ► and then they're going to get hard again this is your row to win i think really honestly i'm just

00:39:35 ◼   ► I'm just gonna make a prediction. I'm gonna say Federico out of this line of eight. I

00:39:42 ◼   ► think he's gonna get two.

00:39:43 ◼   ► Wow. Okay.

00:39:44 ◼   ► Wow. I believe in my friend.

00:39:47 ◼   ► Thank you, Steven. I always loved you.

00:39:48 ◼   ► Well, how many do you think he's gonna get then?

00:39:51 ◼   ► More than two.

00:39:52 ◼   ► That's not believing in him. Come on, give me a number.

00:39:54 ◼   ► It's very politically correct.

00:39:58 ◼   ► I'm gonna say he's gonna get five.

00:40:00 ◼   ► Three.

00:40:01 ◼   ► I don't like this speculation on my performance.

00:40:06 ◼   ► Okay.

00:40:07 ◼   ► We have a side bet going.

00:40:08 ◼   ► There's a lot of money right in this one.

00:40:10 ◼   ► This one, I've seen this animal before, so we're now doing animals.

00:40:14 ◼   ► This looks like a long...

00:40:15 ◼   ► Well, are we?

00:40:17 ◼   ► Look at the line.

00:40:18 ◼   ► Are we doing just animals?

00:40:19 ◼   ► Well, there's a bunch of animals here.

00:40:20 ◼   ► What's that last animal?

00:40:22 ◼   ► Shut up.

00:40:26 ◼   ► So this is...

00:40:27 ◼   ► Geodude.

00:40:28 ◼   ► At this glance, this is like a long-legged pink chicken.

00:40:32 ◼   ► [Laughter]

00:40:35 ◼   ► How are you feeling now, Steven? How's your side back going?

00:40:39 ◼   ► Or...

00:40:41 ◼   ► [Laughter]

00:40:42 ◼   ► ... pink tall bird?

00:40:45 ◼   ► Uh-huh.

00:40:46 ◼   ► Could also be an option.

00:40:47 ◼   ► Could be, yep.

00:40:49 ◼   ► I think I know what this animal is called.

00:40:51 ◼   ► Okay.

00:40:52 ◼   ► Like, for real.

00:40:53 ◼   ► Okay.

00:40:54 ◼   ► This is a flamingo.

00:40:55 ◼   ► [Ding]

00:40:56 ◼   ► Correct.

00:40:57 ◼   ► Oh, it does look like a tall pink chicken though.

00:41:01 ◼   ► Just for the sake of transparency, that is one of the two that I think he's gonna get correct.

00:41:09 ◼   ► Now we have two dogs, as we all know, all dogs are good dogs. These dogs are doing something.

00:41:15 ◼   ► These dogs...

00:41:19 ◼   ► So, first reaction, gotta be honest, I would say good dog number one and good dog number two.

00:41:26 ◼   ► I have a feeling it may be wrong. So the first, so let's think outside the box.

00:41:32 ◼   ► The first dog, as I've seen that instrument to walk dogs before, it looks

00:41:40 ◼   ► like a guide dog for blind people. So the first one, and I'm not,

00:41:46 ◼   ► this is not my final, don't count it as my final answer, this could be a guide dog,

00:41:52 ◼   ► And the next one, if the first one, if the yellowish brownish one is guide dog, the next one has a red

00:42:01 ◼   ► Chest thing or shoulder thing. Yeah, like a little doggy backpack. It looks like a

00:42:08 ◼   ► Like one of those

00:42:12 ◼   ► Things to swim like for dogs to swim like for like lifeguard dogs

00:42:19 ◼   ► But why is the lifeguard dog on a leash?

00:42:23 ◼   ► That's a good point.

00:42:24 ◼   ► Lifeguard dog shouldn't be on a leash.

00:42:26 ◼   ► Maybe it's not a leash, it's blue. Maybe it's a wave, you know?

00:42:28 ◼   ► No, it's not a wave. Lifeguard dog is supposed to run free at the beach and save people.

00:42:32 ◼   ► Right, right.

00:42:33 ◼   ► Having a lifeguard dog on a leash defeats the whole purpose of having a lifeguard dog.

00:42:37 ◼   ► Exactly. We all know that.

00:42:39 ◼   ► So let's move in steps.

00:42:43 ◼   ► Guide dog.

00:42:44 ◼   ► Correct.

00:42:45 ◼   ► I did not think you were going to get that one.

00:42:47 ◼   ► get that one. Yeah, because you think I'm stupid and I'm only partially stupid.

00:42:52 ◼   ► What's the second dog doing? What's that? Guide dog? Like, what kinds of

00:43:01 ◼   ► people use dogs for, like, functions besides, you know, having them as friends?

00:43:07 ◼   ► So you either walk with the dog and it's a guide dog or it's a lifeguard dog or

00:43:13 ◼   ► could be a dog lifeguard lifeguard dog sounds like a show a kid show that my

00:43:20 ◼   ► kids would watch maybe maybe maybe the dog maybe the dog is walking by the side

00:43:27 ◼   ► of somebody on a wheelchair what would you call that dog we just

00:43:32 ◼   ► have to rush you okay dog dog with a backpack

00:43:39 ◼   ► Incorrect.

00:43:40 ◼   ► This is a service dog.

00:43:43 ◼   ► Service dog?

00:43:44 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:43:45 ◼   ► Poor dog.

00:43:46 ◼   ► Why poor dog?

00:43:47 ◼   ► The dog's got a job.

00:43:48 ◼   ► It's the best thing for a dog.

00:43:50 ◼   ► Give it a job.

00:43:51 ◼   ► Yeah, he's helping people.

00:43:52 ◼   ► Service dog, it makes it sound like you're taking advantage of the dog.

00:43:54 ◼   ► No, the dog's helping people.

00:43:56 ◼   ► Is the dog happy to do that?

00:43:57 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:43:58 ◼   ► Yes.

00:43:59 ◼   ► Yeah, they're trying to do it.

00:44:01 ◼   ► Okay, good.

00:44:02 ◼   ► Doesn't mean they're happy to do it.

00:44:03 ◼   ► They have to be happy.

00:44:04 ◼   ► Well, I can't vouch for that.

00:44:06 ◼   ► This dog looks pretty happy, though.

00:44:07 ◼   ► The one in the emojis.

00:44:08 ◼   ► emojis. Good, good, good. The tail's up. Yeah, yeah, it's kind of good. It's honestly

00:44:13 ◼   ► Backpack Dog would have been... well, anyway. The next one, I'm gonna surprise you, Myke.

00:44:19 ◼   ► This is a sloth. Myke loses the side bet already. And I knew it, and I knew it

00:44:27 ◼   ► because... what's the name of the actress that plays, um... Oh yeah. You know, what's, what's...

00:44:33 ◼   ► Yeah, there's an actress who's super into them right?

00:44:36 ◼   ► Super afraid of them.

00:44:36 ◼   ► Come on, Veronica Mars.

00:44:39 ◼   ► And the good place. Come on.

00:44:41 ◼   ► Kristen Bell?

00:44:42 ◼   ► Yes.

00:44:43 ◼   ► I'm gonna put this, there's a YouTube link. I'm gonna put it in the show notes.

00:44:46 ◼   ► Kristen Bell's sloth meltdown.

00:44:50 ◼   ► I don't know if she's still together with Dax Shepard.

00:44:52 ◼   ► Yes, so Dax Shepard, maybe they're still together. Maybe they're still partners.

00:44:57 ◼   ► Oh, okay, never mind.

00:44:58 ◼   ► He pulled the prank on her a few years ago and like if I remember correctly

00:45:02 ◼   ► She was stuck in a room with a sloth and it was really something it was really really fun video

00:45:07 ◼   ► And that's why I learned the word sloth

00:45:10 ◼   ► They are they are

00:45:13 ◼   ► Incredibly creepy animals that exist for no apparent reason. She's

00:45:19 ◼   ► Freaking out. Yes. Yes

00:45:22 ◼   ► Next one Wow

00:45:25 ◼   ► This is a type of monkey, but my vocabulary here is spotty.

00:45:31 ◼   ► Hmm

00:45:35 ◼   ► could be a

00:45:37 ◼   ► Gorilla, I don't think it's a gorilla. It could be a baby gorilla

00:45:41 ◼   ► Or it could be a chimp and I think the full name of the chimp is the chimpanzee maybe in English

00:45:52 ◼   ► Mm-hmm. It's not a baboon. You can't just keep listing monkey types. You've got a big one. I mean he can no

00:45:59 ◼   ► It's not it's not a bubble. It's not a capuchin monkey

00:46:02 ◼   ► Yeah, quite knowledgeable about monkeys, you know, well, we'll find out won't we it's a chimpanzee

00:46:08 ◼   ► Incorrect. Come on. What's that? It's an orangutan

00:46:12 ◼   ► You know my god, yes, okay. Yeah, they're orange

00:46:18 ◼   ► The next the next the next beast this is an emoji that's gonna be getting a lot of use

00:46:24 ◼   ► Yes, it's taking a bath taking a diet

00:46:27 ◼   ► Is this animal holding like a phone or a soap?

00:46:32 ◼   ► Yeah, is that a sponge looks like a palm tree it's like one of those old Apple

00:46:40 ◼   ► Mice with the round one. What what is it?

00:46:44 ◼   ► So anyway, this is some kind of... this is some kind of...

00:46:47 ◼   ► He's a big iMac G3 fan.

00:46:49 ◼   ► This is a big lake rat.

00:46:52 ◼   ► Is that what you're going with? Big lake rat?

00:46:56 ◼   ► Is that your answer?

00:47:00 ◼   ► I don't know what else... how else to describe it. It's...

00:47:06 ◼   ► It's not a bear.

00:47:08 ◼   ► It's not a dog. It's not a cat.

00:47:12 ◼   ► Looks like a brown rat taking a bath

00:47:16 ◼   ► Big lake rat that is incorrect my friend. This is an otter

00:47:23 ◼   ► What what is it an otter? What kind of animal is it? Otter? It's like a big lake rat

00:47:29 ◼   ► It's like it's that the animal that chews on wood no, that's a beaver all right

00:47:37 ◼   ► They eat they bust up clams. I guess what he's holding what what what is it?

00:47:41 ◼   ► So here's the deal, Federico.

00:47:43 ◼   ► Are you not- is this an American animal?

00:47:45 ◼   ► No.

00:47:46 ◼   ► I don't get it.

00:47:46 ◼   ► They are in America, but it's not an American.

00:47:50 ◼   ► Also in the UK too.

00:47:51 ◼   ► I have never seen this animal in real life.

00:47:53 ◼   ► Here's the deal.

00:47:55 ◼   ► You have to get the next two right for me to beat Myke.

00:47:57 ◼   ► I have a...

00:47:57 ◼   ► No pressure, but our friendship depends on it.

00:48:01 ◼   ► Okay, so the next one is another type of rat that-

00:48:06 ◼   ► Yeah, it is, yeah.

00:48:07 ◼   ► Oh god.

00:48:08 ◼   ► produces a very smelly gas.

00:48:12 ◼   ► Smelly gas rat?

00:48:14 ◼   ► You nailed it.

00:48:17 ◼   ► It's a rat that had too much chili last night.

00:48:20 ◼   ► This is a skunk.

00:48:23 ◼   ► You're correct, that is in fact a skunk.

00:48:25 ◼   ► Yes!

00:48:26 ◼   ► So you've got to get this one right

00:48:29 ◼   ► to win the minigame for Steven.

00:48:32 ◼   ► Of course it's a space one.

00:48:34 ◼   ► Yeah, and I'm very confident.

00:48:36 ◼   ► Okay, so I do... I have a lot of things to say about this after you name it. I'm sure you do.

00:48:41 ◼   ► I'm also quite knowledgeable about space. Yes. Mostly by listening to Steven. And all the wars

00:48:48 ◼   ► that you've, you know, all the Star Wars and stuff that you've... All the Star Wars content that I

00:48:56 ◼   ► follow. So, yeah, okay, so this is a planet, right? And this is Saturn. But here's my

00:49:05 ◼   ► question, though. Would Apple do an emoji just for Saturn? But that's what this

00:49:12 ◼   ► is, though, isn't it? So we have emoji for... this is... maybe I'm... Well... Shush you. Quiet you.

00:49:20 ◼   ► Quiet. You're leading him on just as much as I am. No, I am the Quiz Master.

00:49:24 ◼   ► But I'm keeping score. We're equals.

00:49:28 ◼   ► This is a representation of a planet with rings around it.

00:49:32 ◼   ► Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. What's the emoji name?

00:49:36 ◼   ► Apple has... I struggled... I struggled to imagine that Apple would call an emoji just

00:49:40 ◼   ► Saturn. Planet with rings.

00:49:42 ◼   ► No, no, you can't give him that. No, you can't give him that. You're just giving him that

00:49:47 ◼   ► because you got money riding on it. This is Ringed Planet.

00:49:51 ◼   ► It's the same thing! Yeah, okay.

00:49:54 ◼   ► planet, or planet with rings, I mean, come on. I'm marking it as correct. Yeah, you can

00:49:58 ◼   ► take it, it's fine. I want to complain about this emoji. So, A, thank you for proving me

00:50:02 ◼   ► right with five, I always believed in you except for a second when I did that. He didn't

00:50:04 ◼   ► believe in you at all, as soon as you, as soon as orangutan was wrong, he stopped believing

00:50:09 ◼   ► in you, yeah. I was worried about orangutan. So the problem with this is, you were right,

00:50:13 ◼   ► this is Saturn, mostly, the middle of it kind of looks like Jupiter more than Saturn, but

00:50:18 ◼   ► Saturn is not at a 45 degree angle, like Saturn is straight across, and so they've done like

00:50:23 ◼   ► generic planet. What I want, Jeremy, is an emoji for each planet. So get on it, Unicode.

00:50:30 ◼   ► Why did they pick just ringed planet?

00:50:32 ◼   ► I mean, if you think about planet, like this is very planet-like, but they like merged.

00:50:37 ◼   ► Yeah, this is actually, you know what, no, I reckon this is how it happened. If they

00:50:41 ◼   ► wanted a planet, like emoji, this is, aside from the Earth, this style is like uncharacteristically

00:50:48 ◼   ► a space thing, right? Like anything else, you could be like, is that a bowling ball?

00:50:52 ◼   ► Right.

00:50:53 ◼   ► this one right Mars looks like a red circle right like yes so you were right

00:50:58 ◼   ► this is the most planet II planet of all the planets can we get a score update

00:51:02 ◼   ► halfway through oh yes I won the side bet most importantly 10 correct 14

00:51:09 ◼   ► incorrect you're pulling it back you're pulling it back yeah I told you I'm

00:51:14 ◼   ► still I you did very well very confident in the next row though just gonna say

00:51:19 ◼   ► - We'll see, we'll see, we'll see.

00:51:22 ◼   ► Underestimating my poor boy's Italian.

00:51:26 ◼   ► - Or just estimating, could just be estimating.

00:51:29 ◼   ► We'll see. - We'll see.

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00:51:41 ◼   ► - I'll be slightly concerned at first

00:51:43 ◼   ► until you explain it to me.

00:51:44 ◼   ► - It would be a weird way to start a conversation,

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00:52:56 ◼   ► Relay FM. I'm gonna surprise you Myke. Yeah?

00:53:00 ◼   ► Oyster. Correct. Onion. Yes. Garlic. Correct. Waffles. Yep. Kiwi meatballs.

00:53:12 ◼   ► INCREDI-

00:53:14 ◼   ► *Laughter*

00:53:16 ◼   ► What is this? I've been looking at this emoji for like two hours.

00:53:20 ◼   ► Right, but-

00:53:22 ◼   ► *Laughter*

00:53:24 ◼   ► Kiwi.

00:53:26 ◼   ► I have no idea what I'm looking at.

00:53:28 ◼   ► It's green.

00:53:30 ◼   ► *Laughter*

00:53:32 ◼   ► So, it's got brown skin.

00:53:34 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:53:36 ◼   ► It's green inside.

00:53:38 ◼   ► It's like rotten meatballs.

00:53:40 ◼   ► It looks like a kiwi, like, you know, the fruit.

00:53:45 ◼   ► But there's, here's my thing, there's like some kind of green leaves, the sides, and

00:53:50 ◼   ► some kind of nondescript sauce at the bottom, so it looks like some kind of meatballs.

00:53:57 ◼   ► Mhm.

00:53:58 ◼   ► Falafel.

00:53:59 ◼   ► What?

00:54:00 ◼   ► Falafel.

00:54:01 ◼   ► Is that a word?

00:54:02 ◼   ► No, I'm just making a sound.

00:54:03 ◼   ► Of course it's a word.

00:54:04 ◼   ► I ate a food.

00:54:06 ◼   ► Falafel?

00:54:07 ◼   ► Falafel.

00:54:08 ◼   ► a deep fried ball or a flat or donut shaped patty made from ground chickpeas, fava beans

00:54:13 ◼   ► or both, herb spices and onion, relatives are commonly added to the dough. It is a very

00:54:18 ◼   ► famous Minlesian dish that most likely originated in Egypt, thanks to Wikipedia.

00:54:23 ◼   ► Cool. Okay. I've learned a new word today. Next one. This is a big piece of butter. Is

00:54:35 ◼   ► Is that the name? Big piece of butter?

00:54:37 ◼   ► No, it's not the name. You're being trigger happy over there. Calm yourself.

00:54:41 ◼   ► Big piece of butter? What's the name?

00:54:45 ◼   ► Just butter. We're gonna have to give it to you now,

00:54:47 ◼   ► 'cause old scoremaster's just going crazy with a bell.

00:54:50 ◼   ► Butter.

00:54:51 ◼   ► Butter.

00:54:51 ◼   ► I got so excited 'cause you went on such a tear. As soon as I heard the word, I hit the bell.

00:54:56 ◼   ► Juice box.

00:54:57 ◼   ► Incorrect.

00:54:58 ◼   ► Really?

00:54:59 ◼   ► Yes. This is wild. I don't know why they've given it the name they've given it.

00:55:04 ◼   ► beverage box. Beverage? There's an apple? There's an apple on the cover! What else do you drink out

00:55:11 ◼   ► of a box with a bendy straw? Wine. But you could do wine maybe, but I don't think, as you did clarify

00:55:17 ◼   ► with a straw, I don't know if people drink them. This is wild to call it beverage box. I don't know

00:55:22 ◼   ► why they did that. Is this one, is this an example you think where apple got more specific than the

00:55:28 ◼   ► name required? Yeah, but what else would you, how else would you show beverage box? This is a juice

00:55:34 ◼   ► box. They made the right choice. Unicode chose a bunker's name. Yeah. I gotta be honest with you

00:55:40 ◼   ► guys, the next one. So I looked at it. You're not getting this one, Federico. And my brain put

00:55:47 ◼   ► together two ideas that are sort of creepy and unrelated to each other, but that's just how my

00:55:55 ◼   ► brain works. To me this looks like an ash urn with a straw. Oh my gosh, that's very upsetting.

00:56:03 ◼   ► I don't know why would you drink out of that.

00:56:06 ◼   ► Get a little sip of grandpa on the way out the door.

00:56:08 ◼   ► Well, my God. When we started this episode...

00:56:14 ◼   ► You're going to be thirsty afterwards.

00:56:16 ◼   ► I did not think Steven was going to say the worst possible thing that could have occurred,

00:56:20 ◼   ► but turns out he did. So there you go.

00:56:23 ◼   ► Oh my God.

00:56:24 ◼   ► That's why they're next to each other. You take a little hit of that and then you get some beverage

00:56:28 ◼   ► to wash them down.

00:56:30 ◼   ► You gotta cleanse your- it's a palette cleanser.

00:56:33 ◼   ► [Laughter]

00:56:38 ◼   ► Can you please give me your answer?

00:56:40 ◼   ► [Laughter]

00:56:42 ◼   ► Please- I would like your answer Federico, can I have your answer please?

00:56:46 ◼   ► I have no idea what it is, I don't know what to say. It's a- it's a- it's a-

00:56:50 ◼   ► [Sniff]

00:56:51 ◼   ► It's... coconut with metal on top of it, like a-

00:56:55 ◼   ► That's what it looks like, right? It looks like a coconut. This is actually a mate.

00:56:58 ◼   ► A what?

00:57:00 ◼   ► Mate, it's spelt like mate, but it's mate. I believe it is a traditional South American caffeine rich infused drink

00:57:07 ◼   ► the national beverage of Argentina and Uruguay

00:57:11 ◼   ► and Paraguay

00:57:14 ◼   ► It's not grass nothing to do well grandpa could make them

00:57:19 ◼   ► Maybe they have a special recipe but not if he's dead. Okay score update

00:57:26 ◼   ► You did very well on this row. We are now at

00:57:29 ◼   ► 15 right okay

00:57:32 ◼   ► 17 wrong okay very close

00:57:35 ◼   ► Next one ice cube

00:57:40 ◼   ► Come on

00:57:43 ◼   ► Hmm tiny iceberg

00:57:46 ◼   ► What is it getting colder

00:57:50 ◼   ► I'm not sure, I'm not sure about the scoring on this.

00:57:54 ◼   ► I think that this is Apple's mistake and we give it to him.

00:57:58 ◼   ► Frozen water cube.

00:57:59 ◼   ► I don't think anyone's made a mistake.

00:58:04 ◼   ► I'm just not sure.

00:58:06 ◼   ► No, it's too specific.

00:58:08 ◼   ► No, Federico was too specific.

00:58:09 ◼   ► The actual name means less specific.

00:58:12 ◼   ► Ice?

00:58:12 ◼   ► Yes, correct. There you go. I'm gonna give it to you.

00:58:15 ◼   ► Ice. Ice. That's what I was waiting to hear it.

00:58:17 ◼   ► Kite.

00:58:18 ◼   ► But again, how would you show it? They've done the right job.

00:58:20 ◼   ► I don't think.

00:58:21 ◼   ► What would you- how would you show the word ice?

00:58:23 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:58:23 ◼   ► Kite.

00:58:25 ◼   ► We're tied up.

00:58:27 ◼   ► This one is an object.

00:58:29 ◼   ► Good luck.

00:58:30 ◼   ► Yeah, nice knowing you.

00:58:31 ◼   ► To me this looks like- like a- like a- like a ceramic boat with a- with a candle.

00:58:38 ◼   ► Oh, it does look like a ceramic boat. Would a ceramic boat float?

00:58:41 ◼   ► I don't know, we gotta ask Dr. Drang about it.

00:58:43 ◼   ► Um.

00:58:44 ◼   ► Is ceramic heavy?

00:58:45 ◼   ► Yo, Dr. Drang, hit us up on Twitter.

00:58:47 ◼   ► Well, I can't imagine why it wouldn't. Steel boats float.

00:58:51 ◼   ► Yeah, but ceramic... Imagine a ceramic boat, though.

00:58:53 ◼   ► But what difference does it make because it's ceramic?

00:58:57 ◼   ► You're not an engineer.

00:58:58 ◼   ► This is some other kind of funerary thing, is it?

00:59:02 ◼   ► This is some kind of candle that they use in some religion for something.

00:59:08 ◼   ► I really need you to be more careful here.

00:59:11 ◼   ► I really need you to just rein this one in a little bit.

00:59:16 ◼   ► celebratory candle. That is incorrect. We were looking for a dyer lamp. What?

00:59:22 ◼   ► It is an oil lamp used in the Indian subcontinent, most notably India and Nepal, usually made from

00:59:30 ◼   ► clay of a cotton wick dipped in ghee or vegetable oil. Cool. Next one, axe. Correct. So the next one,

00:59:41 ◼   ► I believe the name is international. In Italy at least we call it a yo-yo.

00:59:47 ◼   ► Correct.

00:59:48 ◼   ► This one's a banjo.

00:59:50 ◼   ► Okay.

00:59:51 ◼   ► Banjo.

00:59:52 ◼   ► Okay, so the next one is the thing you...

00:59:56 ◼   ► This is the thing. We're tired now and we have what, ten left?

01:00:00 ◼   ► And they are... they're gonna be tricky for you my friend, I think, some of these.

01:00:06 ◼   ► So, good luck. Good luck Federico.

01:00:09 ◼   ► Okay, thank you. So this is why you used to go underwater.

01:00:13 ◼   ► I'm not sure what the name of the... maybe you would call it a tube in English.

01:00:19 ◼   ► This is a breathing mask and a breathing tube.

01:00:22 ◼   ► I want to just say at this point, I want to give you...

01:00:25 ◼   ► I want to give you a bit of assistance here.

01:00:27 ◼   ► Uh-huh.

01:00:29 ◼   ► Apple have, I think, not only gone too far, they have

01:00:32 ◼   ► miscategorized this emoji name with what they have chosen.

01:00:36 ◼   ► I agree with you, Myke. This is a little off the mark.

01:00:38 ◼   ► Yeah, they've absolutely completely given something different.

01:00:42 ◼   ► So much so that if you use this for what the emoji is called, you would die.

01:00:46 ◼   ► So, uh, you keep going, Federico.

01:00:49 ◼   ► So if they have categorized this as...

01:00:54 ◼   ► What do you say in English when you...

01:00:59 ◼   ► In Italian we would call them "subs", like when you go underwater.

01:01:04 ◼   ► Scuba.

01:01:07 ◼   ► Like scuba?

01:01:07 ◼   ► Don't give him the words. It's a key word. Is it? Could be. But when you do scuba diving,

01:01:15 ◼   ► you have an oxygen tank and if you were to just have this you would die, which is what you said,

01:01:21 ◼   ► because it doesn't show... so this is a scuba mask. Incorrect. They called it diving mask.

01:01:28 ◼   ► Diving mask. Which again, if you went diving with this you would die. This is a snorkeling mask.

01:01:34 ◼   ► Yeah. Yes, this is snorkeling. They didn't need to include the snorkel. Diving mask is the other part.

01:01:42 ◼   ► I don't know why they included the snorkel. Not good. Not good.

01:01:47 ◼   ► The next one is... The next one, I will say, out of all of them, the next one, I think,

01:01:51 ◼   ► the art is my favorite because of how detailed it is, like all the little pieces of it and how

01:01:56 ◼   ► tiny the guy is. Like, I just... This artwork cracks me up. It's good. And, you know, the little holes

01:02:01 ◼   ► in the thing, right? Like they've really made a very specific emoji here.

01:02:05 ◼   ► It's very detailed.

01:02:06 ◼   ► I can only assume that the person that created this emoji, this is their hobby.

01:02:10 ◼   ► I'm torn between two options.

01:02:12 ◼   ► Okay.

01:02:13 ◼   ► I'm going with just parachute.

01:02:15 ◼   ► Correct.

01:02:16 ◼   ► Ooh, I was gonna say parachuting person.

01:02:20 ◼   ► Also this seems a little bit more abseiling-y, but I don't know. Like I don't know if I would

01:02:26 ◼   ► have like imagined a parachute that way, but you know, you do you.

01:02:29 ◼   ► Okay, last row. Last row. We are tied. Ooh!

01:02:33 ◼   ► 20. That's fun. 20.

01:02:37 ◼   ► Okay, so this is the...

01:02:39 ◼   ► This is a vest, and this is the type of vest that you put on in two instances,

01:02:45 ◼   ► I suppose, either when you're doing road work, or

01:02:47 ◼   ► if you've had an accident and you need to step out of your car,

01:02:51 ◼   ► you would put on this vest to make sure that other cars would see you, because it's got the reflection stripes thing.

01:02:59 ◼   ► Mhm.

01:02:59 ◼   ► I don't know, man.

01:03:02 ◼   ► If there's a word for this object, I don't know it.

01:03:07 ◼   ► So I'm just gonna go ahead and say...

01:03:09 ◼   ► Service vest.

01:03:11 ◼   ► So close.

01:03:14 ◼   ► What is it?

01:03:14 ◼   ► It is a safety vest.

01:03:16 ◼   ► Safety vest.

01:03:18 ◼   ► Mhm.

01:03:19 ◼   ► Okay.

01:03:20 ◼   ► High visibility. You know, all that nonsense.

01:03:23 ◼   ► I've seen this before.

01:03:24 ◼   ► These are...

01:03:27 ◼   ► And this is not my name.

01:03:28 ◼   ► the name that I'm picking, these are ballerina shoes. Do they have a more specific name or

01:03:35 ◼   ► did Apple call them ballerina shoes? I know the specific name in Italian, not any...

01:03:42 ◼   ► It's not gonna help you here.

01:03:43 ◼   ► It's not gonna help me. Ballerina shoes.

01:03:46 ◼   ► Ballet shoes.

01:03:48 ◼   ► I don't know if we can give him the point. We don't do second chance answers around here.

01:03:54 ◼   ► It's the last row, Myke.

01:03:56 ◼   ► But that's the point! This is like high stakes!

01:03:59 ◼   ► I've said it right after!

01:04:01 ◼   ► But that's not how this works!

01:04:03 ◼   ► Okay, don't give me the point then.

01:04:05 ◼   ► Okay, I already sent the bell.

01:04:06 ◼   ► But they are ballet shoes, they are not ballerina shoes I'm afraid. Sorry, Federico.

01:04:12 ◼   ► Okay, okay.

01:04:13 ◼   ► We have to live by our rules. The rules are as prevalent in the Jeremy's as they are in the

01:04:18 ◼   ► Ricky's.

01:04:19 ◼   ► What's the next one? Are these like-

01:04:21 ◼   ► You're not going to be able to guess this unless you know the name for it.

01:04:25 ◼   ► I don't know, I'm just going with Orange Vest.

01:04:28 ◼   ► Okay, it is sorry.

01:04:30 ◼   ► Yeah, I would have never guessed it.

01:04:33 ◼   ► You never know, unless you know it.

01:04:35 ◼   ► You're not gonna get it.

01:04:36 ◼   ► I also have no idea what the next building is.

01:04:39 ◼   ► You're not gonna get this one either, my friend.

01:04:42 ◼   ► This looks like the picture of a building taken with the ultra-wide camera because of the distortion.

01:04:49 ◼   ► It does indeed look like that.

01:04:51 ◼   ► That's interesting.

01:04:53 ◼   ► I don't know, maybe a temple, maybe a government office, maybe a...

01:04:57 ◼   ► I don't know. I don't know what I'm looking at. I'm going with a temple.

01:05:04 ◼   ► It is a Hindu temple and I will tell you from doing some googling, I think they have in fact

01:05:10 ◼   ► decided to show it as if it was taken by an ultra wide camera because all of the images I've found,

01:05:16 ◼   ► they mostly tend to be like pretty straight line buildings where this has got curved lines in it.

01:05:21 ◼   ► So yeah, I wonder if that was a look they were going for, but that is a Hindu temple

01:05:25 ◼   ► federacle.

01:05:26 ◼   ► Ok.

01:05:27 ◼   ► See, the next, this last row is basically impossible.

01:05:31 ◼   ► So it's a very difficult last row for you.

01:05:36 ◼   ► So first glance, it looks like a golf cart.

01:05:40 ◼   ► But is it called a golf cart or a golf car?

01:05:43 ◼   ► Or is it even a golf cart?

01:05:45 ◼   ► Is it even a golf...

01:05:47 ◼   ► Maybe it's not.

01:05:48 ◼   ► It's like one of those tourist carts.

01:05:51 ◼   ► If it was a golf cart, it would have had the space in the back to put your equipment.

01:06:00 ◼   ► So this looks like one of those little tiny cars that you would drive around Rome as a

01:06:08 ◼   ► tourist.

01:06:09 ◼   ► It's a tourist cart.

01:06:11 ◼   ► It's not in fact, well, it is in fact a tourist cart, but that is not the name.

01:06:16 ◼   ► This is an auto rickshaw.

01:06:17 ◼   ► A what?

01:06:18 ◼   ► Auto-Rickshaw.

01:06:20 ◼   ► I don't know why it has auto in it. I thought they were just called rickshaws, but...

01:06:24 ◼   ► No, because rickshaws are typically human-powered.

01:06:27 ◼   ► Oh, that's right!

01:06:29 ◼   ► Okay, so...

01:06:31 ◼   ► Mechanical rickshaw.

01:06:32 ◼   ► I'm losing, so I'm losing at this point, so...

01:06:35 ◼   ► You are, but I feel like you can close out strong with the last three.

01:06:40 ◼   ► You've got this.

01:06:41 ◼   ► Stethoscope?

01:06:43 ◼   ► Correct!

01:06:46 ◼   ► Razor?

01:06:48 ◼   ► Correct!

01:06:49 ◼   ► What is this? A drop of sauce? What is this?

01:06:54 ◼   ► Blood. A drop of blood.

01:06:57 ◼   ► Correct. I'm just gonna give you a drop of blood.

01:07:00 ◼   ► It would have been a drop of sauce if we were looking at the vampire emoji next, I guess, but drop of blood.

01:07:05 ◼   ► So, out of the 48 total, Steven, what is our final score? How many correct did Federico get?

01:07:10 ◼   ► 23.

01:07:12 ◼   ► Oh, nice! That's my favorite number.

01:07:15 ◼   ► There it is!

01:07:16 ◼   ► and 25 wrong very good so you lost this year i lost but only by two yeah very very strong

01:07:23 ◼   ► beaten by the emoji i also like how the razor seems it it looked to me looks just like the

01:07:28 ◼   ► harry's razor like is that a sponsored hashtag sponsor emoji harry's is gonna use that everywhere

01:07:34 ◼   ► and they're advertising they will 100 use that everywhere yeah it went pretty well

01:07:39 ◼   ► some really good highlights from the fourth row, the food one, that was one of my favorites.

01:07:50 ◼   ► Yeah, some names are really challenging this time around, especially...

01:07:55 ◼   ► You know you're saying about sponsored emoji, I saw this a couple of days ago, do you know

01:07:59 ◼   ► that this is actually a thing that companies try and do, and some of them have been successful

01:08:04 ◼   ► There's a pickup truck emoji that's coming in. I think emoji 12-1, emoji 13, like the next set.

01:08:10 ◼   ► Yeah, next year. I've complained to Jeremy about the lack of a pickup truck emoji.

01:08:14 ◼   ► I feel like I've been singled out.

01:08:16 ◼   ► Well, that- it's coming. And it was put forward by, you know,

01:08:20 ◼   ► the proposal was made and all that kind of stuff, right? Like, that is how things usually go.

01:08:25 ◼   ► Right.

01:08:26 ◼   ► But Ford was behind it, secretly.

01:08:28 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:08:28 ◼   ► And then made an ad talking about how proud they were of themselves that they snuck this emoji in.

01:08:33 ◼   ► Which I mean that's basically what mark did with the yoga emoji, you know, I have an emoji

01:08:38 ◼   ► Oh, I'm gonna actually make a podcast about it, right, but he doesn't necessarily stand to gain so significantly

01:08:43 ◼   ► So maybe in fact Harry's did go for this. We don't know. No one can know well unless they make an ad like Ford did

01:08:50 ◼   ► No one can there's no way of finding out

01:08:52 ◼   ► There's no way of emailing them or just looking up the probably public documentation about the that's a lot of work

01:08:58 ◼   ► It does seem like a lot of work, right?

01:09:01 ◼   ► Good job, Federico this this lived up to my memory of it from last year

01:09:05 ◼   ► It's the second annual Jeremy's that we've done. What will the tattoo be this time?

01:09:11 ◼   ► Well, I'm torn between grandpa and the Kiwi meatballs, so we'll see

01:09:16 ◼   ► Kiwi meatballs Kiwi meatballs

01:09:19 ◼   ► If we ever make a band the three of us, I want to call it Kiwi meatballs

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01:11:01 ◼   ► - So my time has come.

01:11:02 ◼   ► After months and months of waiting,

01:11:04 ◼   ► I think since April was when I hoped

01:11:06 ◼   ► I would get my hands on a Galaxy Fold,

01:11:08 ◼   ► but of course there were a bunch of problems

01:11:10 ◼   ► with the original version.

01:11:11 ◼   ► I now have a Galaxy Fold.

01:11:14 ◼   ► Both of you believe that I would not receive

01:11:16 ◼   ► the Fold that I'd ordered from the Samsung store,

01:11:19 ◼   ► but they called me and I went in to pick it up.

01:11:22 ◼   ► I've been using it now for the best part of a week, and I have some thoughts that I want

01:11:26 ◼   ► to share with you all, and then also I have some listener questions as well.

01:11:30 ◼   ► I've been soliciting questions from people to try and understand what people want to

01:11:34 ◼   ► know about this device, and I will also, would love as we go through this, any questions

01:11:39 ◼   ► you two have, I would love to answer them.

01:11:41 ◼   ► But I want to talk about some key areas about this device.

01:11:45 ◼   ► I think really I have to start with the hardware, right, because that's what everybody cares

01:11:49 ◼   ► about.

01:11:50 ◼   ► necessarily care about One UI, which is Samsung's software on this phone, because that with

01:11:55 ◼   ► some changes of course here, but mostly exists in other places. But this is the only folding

01:12:01 ◼   ► phone that exists that folds the way that this phone does. So in on itself, what is

01:12:07 ◼   ► known in origami terms as a valley fold, right? So there is a screen inside the package as

01:12:12 ◼   ► opposed to on the outside. And I will tell you without a shadow of a doubt, this feels

01:12:17 ◼   ► like one of the most futuristic pieces of technology that I've ever used because I have

01:12:22 ◼   ► never used anything like this.

01:12:24 ◼   ► Technology right now doesn't exist in other places.

01:12:28 ◼   ► There are no other folding screens that you can get your hands on, right?

01:12:33 ◼   ► That's not a thing that exists.

01:12:35 ◼   ► So this feels like something that is brand new in that regard.

01:12:39 ◼   ► To me, how touch screens felt new when I first got my hands on a good touch screen device.

01:12:44 ◼   ► And also, this hardware feels very premium.

01:12:49 ◼   ► The hinge is incredibly solid.

01:12:51 ◼   ► It has more of a spring to it than I'd imagine.

01:12:53 ◼   ► This was actually one of the things that Samsung worked on during that period of time.

01:12:57 ◼   ► They made the hinge kind of better.

01:12:59 ◼   ► I've been watching some of the original reviews that people were giving in preparation for

01:13:05 ◼   ► this, and definitely the hinge changed.

01:13:08 ◼   ► Can open this phone with one hand with no real problem

01:13:12 ◼   ► And I find it incredibly satisfying to open and close

01:13:16 ◼   ► It is effectively the most expensive fidget toy that I own

01:13:20 ◼   ► In that regard because I find myself playing with it a lot and it's very satisfying to close

01:13:25 ◼   ► That is just a very nice feeling when you close this phone

01:13:28 ◼   ► It reminds me of flip phones. Does it sort of snap shut like after a certain point and wants to pull together

01:13:34 ◼   ► Yeah, it has magnets in it

01:13:37 ◼   ► Which brings it closed. Yeah, so I can actually pick up up metal items from my desk with this

01:13:42 ◼   ► Okay, so it actually is pulling together

01:13:44 ◼   ► I got the silver version

01:13:46 ◼   ► Originally Samsung had lots of really exciting colors for this phone. They were doing like a gold and a blue

01:13:53 ◼   ► They ended up just shipping black and silver and it's only the back plate

01:13:58 ◼   ► so if I had it opened and looked at the back of it the left side is silver the right side is black because it

01:14:04 ◼   ► Has the touchscreen on the front, right?

01:14:07 ◼   ► But even the silver version, it has this kind of like bluey hue to it.

01:14:12 ◼   ► Like, you know, like all these Android phones these days have these like weird and wonderful color effects in lights.

01:14:17 ◼   ► They've done that with this phone, which I'm excited about because I love the way those phones look.

01:14:21 ◼   ► But it is an absolute fingerprint magnet, more than any device I've ever used.

01:14:26 ◼   ► It looks like the fingerprints, like I've been handling flour and touching my phone.

01:14:31 ◼   ► It's so strange, but like, it doesn't matter what I do, this thing just gets covered in fingerprints.

01:14:36 ◼   ► in fingerprints so that's just the way it is. The Galaxy Fold is 276 grams to put it into perspective

01:14:46 ◼   ► the 11 Pro Max is 225 so it is significantly heavier like if you place it against an iPhone

01:14:53 ◼   ► you put one in each hand you can really feel the difference but I only really feel the weight when

01:14:58 ◼   ► the fold is closed when it is open it's much more dispersed right so you don't feel it in the same

01:15:03 ◼   ► way plus when it's open by and large you're holding it in two hands or you're using one

01:15:08 ◼   ► hand completely to support it which kind of dissipates the weight a little bit. When it

01:15:13 ◼   ► is closed I really love the way it feels in my hand like it's very comfortable because you kind

01:15:18 ◼   ► of hold it very differently you you hold it like with your entire fist around it right like if

01:15:23 ◼   ► you're just carrying it it's a very different feeling like I don't feel like I hold it like

01:15:28 ◼   ► it's a smartphone a lot of the time. I kind of hold it like a baton or like a remote control

01:15:33 ◼   ► or something. Because of the shape, it is long and thin compared to other phones when it's closed.

01:15:40 ◼   ► It's quite satisfying in that way. It's a nice kind of device to hold like that. And of course,

01:15:47 ◼   ► when it's open, it's obviously much thinner when it's opened and feels to hold kind of like how

01:15:53 ◼   ► you would hold a Kindle, to be honest. It's got that kind of feeling to it. It could hold it in

01:15:58 ◼   ► one hand but then you're only reading stuff you can't use that hand to interact but unless you have

01:16:02 ◼   ► huge hands or you like hold a corner or whatever um i've put a pop socket on mine and the pop socket

01:16:08 ◼   ► is perfect yes it is perfect for a device it's easier to hold and unfolded and also if i i can

01:16:16 ◼   ► then stand it up to watch videos in land in like a landscape orientation and just leave it standing

01:16:22 ◼   ► there which is something i love a lot actually uh as a nice little video device so it's great for

01:16:27 ◼   ► that. The screens, let's talk about the screens, but we'll start with the least exciting, most

01:16:33 ◼   ► disappointing screen, which is the front screen. It is 4.6 inches, which sounds good, except for

01:16:39 ◼   ► the fact that it is incredibly narrow, so it's 4.6 inches diagonally, so it's way taller than it is

01:16:45 ◼   ► wide. It is incredibly hard to type on, incredibly hard, because the keyboard is really shrunken,

01:16:55 ◼   ► right? It's a very very narrow keyboard. The uses for it are pretty limited. I like it for

01:17:01 ◼   ► checking notifications. It's also an always on display which is useful, right? So there's always

01:17:06 ◼   ► a clock there and I can see notifications as in the icons that have no like of apps that have

01:17:11 ◼   ► notifications. It doesn't show the notifications themselves. You have to unlock the device to do

01:17:16 ◼   ► that. And I've heard it kind of by Dieter Bohn said this and I think he completely got it right.

01:17:23 ◼   ► You kind of use this screen like you would use a smartwatch screen.

01:17:28 ◼   ► Like you check quick things on it but you're not going to work on a spreadsheet with it.

01:17:33 ◼   ► My only real complaint about the hardware for this device is this screen.

01:17:39 ◼   ► It is a complete trade-off and it's a real shame.

01:17:44 ◼   ► If they would have been able to make this more edge-to-edge,

01:17:48 ◼   ► it would have been a much more satisfying experience.

01:17:52 ◼   ► I think they're going to struggle with this. To make it really useful, you probably have to make the fold bigger in general.

01:18:01 ◼   ► So I think this is the thing they're going to struggle with, but I want to see them improve that.

01:18:07 ◼   ► Because this screen is kind of disappointing really. Maybe they could lean into not making it like a smaller phone.

01:18:15 ◼   ► Maybe they try and make it more like a smartwatch, right?

01:18:18 ◼   ► Like it may be a different UI for the front screen to make it a bit more useful

01:18:22 ◼   ► I don't know but trying to squeeze the entire phone down into this form factor is a bit of a miss

01:18:29 ◼   ► and

01:18:31 ◼   ► It is useful because I don't want to have to unlock the and like I don't want to have to like open up the phone every

01:18:36 ◼   ► Single time and it does let me deal with quick interactions to things but you can't really get a lot done on it

01:18:42 ◼   ► So really my biggest problem is the keyboard

01:18:45 ◼   ► If they found a way to change that if they found a way to make that better in some way I would be much happier

01:18:50 ◼   ► Something I haven't really tried is like to try and use it in landscape to get a better keyboard

01:18:57 ◼   ► But then the keyboard I'm assuming is probably going to cover the end. It doesn't work in landscape. So there you go

01:19:02 ◼   ► I just just found that out that apps do not rotate on this phone

01:19:05 ◼   ► Probably because then you would only have a keyboard you'd have nothing else. It wouldn't be great

01:19:11 ◼   ► But you know it is there and it is useful in that regard

01:19:14 ◼   ► But really the the big show is the main screen right the big square screen inside. It's seven point three inches diagonally

01:19:21 ◼   ► and is

01:19:23 ◼   ► Mostly a square. It's not completely equal

01:19:26 ◼   ► It's more rectangular, but it feels squarish and it is a wonderful canvas for content

01:19:31 ◼   ► I've always loved bigger screens on my devices and this definitely ticks that box

01:19:36 ◼   ► It is great for basically every use I've had for it because it's a bigger screen and I love bigger screens

01:19:43 ◼   ► So I get more content all the time when using this right I get more content than any other phone and similar to some tablet

01:19:51 ◼   ► experiences because

01:19:52 ◼   ► Samsung has built some stuff in where I can as I tend to do I can have tiny fonts and I can

01:19:58 ◼   ► Make the screen show me more content, right?

01:20:00 ◼   ► Like I can I have like tabs in Chrome that are visible on this device, right? Like it's a tiny tablet

01:20:08 ◼   ► It's really great for that. So I'm very happy about that experience

01:20:11 ◼   ► One thing which is super weird about this device and I looked into it to find out why

01:20:16 ◼   ► Sometimes when I'm scrolling it looks like there's like a weird effect and what it what I thought was going on

01:20:23 ◼   ► I thought it was that OLED thing, right? You know, like when you scroll you see the OLED and the black text jiggles or whatever

01:20:29 ◼   ► Yeah, we spoke about that last week Federico said no one can notice that yeah, it's true. It's not that

01:20:34 ◼   ► See, that's what I thought it was but it is not that

01:20:37 ◼   ► Screens have screen controllers in them

01:20:41 ◼   ► I'm not 100% sure what the job of a screen controller is but it helps with the scrolling

01:20:46 ◼   ► But because it's it's like a traffic cop for pixels. That's it. Yeah over here. I like that you light up here

01:20:52 ◼   ► That's really good. Thank you very much for that because this is effectively such a wide screen

01:20:57 ◼   ► they had to put it on the side rather than on the top or bottom which is usual for smartphones.

01:21:01 ◼   ► So what that means sometimes is the left-hand side of the phone when scrolling content is ever

01:21:08 ◼   ► so slightly ahead of the right-hand side. So if you're scrolling quickly it can kind of look like

01:21:15 ◼   ► the content is sliding diagonally a little bit. Now this is a very small thing but when I describe

01:21:21 ◼   ► it sounds much more than it is. It's something you just get used to but you can see...

01:21:27 ◼   ► I was gonna say can you can you unsee it or is it like ruined forever?

01:21:31 ◼   ► I see it sometimes not all the time. So I don't know if it's worse sometimes than others. I don't

01:21:36 ◼   ► know if like it's maybe a speed thing but it's definitely there and you just have to deal with

01:21:42 ◼   ► it. The real thing is it doesn't actually change. It doesn't make the phone any less usable because

01:21:47 ◼   ► like you're not reading content when you're scrolling right you're scrolling to get through it

01:21:52 ◼   ► so it's really honestly just like a nitpicky thing in a way because it doesn't affect the

01:21:57 ◼   ► usability of the device at all it's just like a "ah i wish you didn't do that" there are many

01:22:02 ◼   ► biometric options for this device because it is an android device there is a fingerprint reader on the

01:22:07 ◼   ► side uh weirdly by default it does not act as a lock screen button because it's not a button there

01:22:14 ◼   ► There is a lock unlock button above it.

01:22:18 ◼   ► So by default, you have to hit the lock unlock button

01:22:20 ◼   ► and then authenticate with your finger

01:22:23 ◼   ► on the fingerprint reader.

01:22:24 ◼   ► Super weird.

01:22:25 ◼   ► You can change this into settings

01:22:27 ◼   ► to just when you use the fingerprint reader,

01:22:29 ◼   ► the screen unlocks.

01:22:30 ◼   ► I do not know why that's not the default, but it isn't.

01:22:34 ◼   ► But I'm using the facial recognition as well,

01:22:38 ◼   ► because that's what I'm used to.

01:22:41 ◼   ► I'm not used to using a fingerprint reader anymore,

01:22:44 ◼   ► so I kept forgetting to unlock my phone and I was very confused when looking at it.

01:22:48 ◼   ► So I'm using the facial recognition.

01:22:52 ◼   ► What's kind of cool because there are six cameras on the Galaxy Fold, the facial recognition

01:22:56 ◼   ► works on both the front and the inside screens because there's cameras for both, right?

01:23:02 ◼   ► What I do like, and this is interesting to me, is changing some of my opinions.

01:23:07 ◼   ► When the facial recognition fails, I have another option that isn't inputting my pin

01:23:12 ◼   ► and it's to use my fingerprint.

01:23:13 ◼   ► Right, and it makes me feel like I want that on the iPhone

01:23:17 ◼   ► Sorry to say everybody. I have now become one of those people that will quite like to have both

01:23:24 ◼   ► It's it's better like facial recognition is

01:23:28 ◼   ► It makes it it makes the interaction feel flawless, right?

01:23:32 ◼   ► You're looking at your phone and it unlocks but it doesn't always work and when it doesn't work

01:23:37 ◼   ► Putting in a pin is frustrating but just touching my thumb

01:23:42 ◼   ► To the fingerprint reader, which is a very quick fingerprint reader that solves the problem and I love that

01:23:47 ◼   ► So I would really love that if they could do that. That's what I would love to see in my iPhone

01:23:52 ◼   ► I like it here a lot

01:23:54 ◼   ► Ultimately, I

01:23:56 ◼   ► Am convinced that Samsung are on the right track for foldable phones

01:24:00 ◼   ► Considering all the problems that have occurred with the screen itself

01:24:05 ◼   ► Right the plastic screen if this screen folded out like the Huawei device

01:24:11 ◼   ► I would be terrified to use it. I would not want to put it down anywhere because I'll be scared of scratching or denting the device

01:24:18 ◼   ► Having the less strong screen fold inside and be protected by glass and metal

01:24:24 ◼   ► That is the way to go with these devices until we can get actually I can't imagine any other way

01:24:30 ◼   ► Right because even if it was glass on the outside

01:24:32 ◼   ► I wouldn't want to put it down because if you're scratching it, I scratched the glass on my iPhone

01:24:37 ◼   ► I've done that in the past if the whole screen was glass

01:24:40 ◼   ► I wouldn't want to ever put it down. So I am convinced that this is the right form factor

01:24:45 ◼   ► But they've got work to do to make it perfect

01:24:47 ◼   ► You'll notice I haven't really spoken about the plastic screen. Yeah, that is not an issue. It's not an issue

01:24:55 ◼   ► It is an absolute non-issue for me. Like it doesn't feel I wouldn't be concerned about this phone if

01:25:03 ◼   ► People if there hadn't been problems it does not feel

01:25:08 ◼   ► So many of the questions that I've gotten about this are people talking like, "Oh, are you being careful with it?"

01:25:13 ◼   ► No, and I don't feel like I need to. Like I am not babying this device.

01:25:17 ◼   ► It does not give me the impression that it should be babied. It feels well put together.

01:25:24 ◼   ► Now, the many many many warnings in the packaging

01:25:28 ◼   ► make me feel like I just need to be careful with my fingernails when using this device because you can

01:25:34 ◼   ► Put dents in it, but my point is not that it isn't fragile is that it doesn't feel fragile

01:25:39 ◼   ► so I've been perfectly happy when using it and plastic feels as good as glass like

01:25:45 ◼   ► You could give this to me and I wouldn't know it was a plastic screen. It feels fine, right? Yes. There is a

01:25:51 ◼   ► Crease in it, but you do not see the crease when you're using it because you're using it right like you it's all lit up

01:25:57 ◼   ► It looks great. You don't notice the crease you can feel it sometimes when you run your hand across it

01:26:03 ◼   ► But I don't it's just not a problem for me. Like I don't feel like that is a problem by any stretch of the imagination

01:26:09 ◼   ► The crease is a non-issue and if you don't like it or if you do have problems with it any

01:26:16 ◼   ► Like all that looks kind of strange or that feels kind of weird that is completely negated

01:26:22 ◼   ► By how fantastic it is to be using a foldable phone

01:26:26 ◼   ► If that is the compromise, I do not care about the compromise because I love the form factor

01:26:32 ◼   ► I'd love being able to take a smaller device and make it a bigger device

01:26:36 ◼   ► Like this feels like a tiny tablet computer that I have which I can fold away and put somewhere like that

01:26:43 ◼   ► form factor is absolutely fantastic and if my only trade-off is that I can sometimes feel a

01:26:50 ◼   ► Hint like a little bump in the middle. I'll take that it doesn't do anything

01:26:54 ◼   ► It doesn't affect my usability of this device in any way

01:26:57 ◼   ► Nor does this feel like a device that I'm scared to use

01:27:02 ◼   ► use. So that's my overall feelings on the hardware.

01:27:04 ◼   ► I have the most to say about the hardware naturally, but I do have some other bits

01:27:08 ◼   ► that I wanted to touch on because the app experience is important.

01:27:11 ◼   ► And, you know, one of the nicest,

01:27:14 ◼   ► one of the initial, initially nicest applications and uses of the

01:27:20 ◼   ► square screen was Instagram because they have filled the screen.

01:27:25 ◼   ► So it looks great for posts because you see the whole post and you get one at a

01:27:29 ◼   ► time and it's great nice square screen square Instagram posts awesome but

01:27:34 ◼   ► Instagram really dropped the ball on stories Instagram stories are cropped to

01:27:38 ◼   ► square that's fine for a vertical format so kind of completely ruins it and

01:27:43 ◼   ► here's a funnier thing if I take a photo posted to Instagram stories that is also

01:27:47 ◼   ► cropped to square it will not do the rectangle 9 by 16 will not do it can't

01:27:53 ◼   ► see them can't post them I can use I can see Instagram stories better on the

01:27:58 ◼   ► The outside screen, because it's more, it's taller, but the inside screen doesn't work

01:28:08 ◼   ► and it's kind of frustrating.

01:28:09 ◼   ► As well for a reason that I don't understand, the Instagram app does not allow for split

01:28:15 ◼   ► screen multitasking on this device.

01:28:16 ◼   ► It is the only application that I have not been able to use split screen multitasking

01:28:20 ◼   ► with.

01:28:21 ◼   ► Like, it has been purposely disabled.

01:28:24 ◼   ► I feel like I'm never going to get the update that fixes the story's problem because they

01:28:28 ◼   ► would have done it by now. So that is that. Very frustrating. By and large though, because

01:28:33 ◼   ► this is Android, every single app that I have used has been optimized for this display size.

01:28:40 ◼   ► Nobody probably had to do that much to get it to work, right? Because Android is built

01:28:45 ◼   ► to be more adaptable to different screen sizes because there are so many screen sizes. So

01:28:50 ◼   ► every single app that I've used fills the whole display, does a good job of it, and

01:28:56 ◼   ► I'm very happy with that.

01:28:57 ◼   ► Multitasking is wild on this device.

01:29:00 ◼   ► So with the exception of Instagram,

01:29:02 ◼   ► every single app that I've used allows

01:29:04 ◼   ► for some form of multitasking.

01:29:06 ◼   ► And the way this device does multitasking

01:29:09 ◼   ► is the most complete version of multitasking

01:29:13 ◼   ► on a touchscreen device that I've ever used

01:29:15 ◼   ► because it does literally everything.

01:29:17 ◼   ► I would argue maybe a little too much in some places,

01:29:21 ◼   ► but it does it.

01:29:22 ◼   ► So when you have an app open,

01:29:23 ◼   ► you can pull in from the side to get an app picker.

01:29:26 ◼   ► And you have a list of recent apps,

01:29:28 ◼   ► like five or six recent apps.

01:29:30 ◼   ► Or you can hit a button and bring up your entire app drawer

01:29:34 ◼   ► to pick whatever app you want from the system

01:29:37 ◼   ► to bring into multitasking.

01:29:39 ◼   ► When you initially bring an app in, it goes into split screen.

01:29:43 ◼   ► So you've got one on the left, one on the right,

01:29:45 ◼   ► and it's adjustable.

01:29:46 ◼   ► So you can adjust how big you want each app to be, right?

01:29:49 ◼   ► But you can then drag in a third application,

01:29:51 ◼   ► which will then on the right hand side split the second side into two panes.

01:29:56 ◼   ► So on the left you have one that takes the full height of the display and then

01:30:01 ◼   ► two applications that take the height and split it into halves.

01:30:04 ◼   ► So you end up with three applications and you can resize them again, right?

01:30:08 ◼   ► So you can change the sizing that you want.

01:30:10 ◼   ► You can then continue to bring in, I believe,

01:30:13 ◼   ► another up to eight applications that can be floating windows on top of these three.

01:30:20 ◼   ► This device has 12 gigabytes of RAM inside of it,

01:30:24 ◼   ► and that's how it decides to use them.

01:30:27 ◼   ► The amount of floating windows that you can bring in

01:30:29 ◼   ► is too many.

01:30:30 ◼   ► Nobody needs to have that many, because the device cannot cope

01:30:34 ◼   ► unless it starts overlapping them, right?

01:30:35 ◼   ► Everything's overlapping.

01:30:37 ◼   ► But--

01:30:38 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:30:39 ◼   ► --the idea of some of the things that you can then

01:30:42 ◼   ► do when these apps are either floating or multitasking

01:30:44 ◼   ► is kind of unbelievable.

01:30:46 ◼   ► So it has a little pill indicator like iOS does, right, on the very top.

01:30:52 ◼   ► So you can drag them around using that pill indicator, but if you tap on it, you get a

01:30:56 ◼   ► bunch of options.

01:30:57 ◼   ► So you can, these are the amount of things that you can do.

01:31:01 ◼   ► You get a bunch of buttons that pop up.

01:31:03 ◼   ► You can expand the application from a floating window to take one of the split screen positions,

01:31:09 ◼   ► so it becomes one of the three.

01:31:10 ◼   ► You can change the opacity of a window.

01:31:13 ◼   ► So you can have a floating window that you can see through.

01:31:18 ◼   ► You can take that application and jump it to one of the full split screen views.

01:31:23 ◼   ► So either take the left one or knock the other two out and be on the split screen.

01:31:28 ◼   ► You can shrink it to a minimized icon that floats on the screen that you can then tap

01:31:32 ◼   ► at will to bring back to a floating window.

01:31:35 ◼   ► Or you can close it.

01:31:36 ◼   ► That's a lot of stuff.

01:31:37 ◼   ► It is a lot of stuff.

01:31:38 ◼   ► And also every floating window can be adjust freeform in size, so you can change its size.

01:31:46 ◼   ► So I have my complaints about how iPad multitasking works and I feel like it's non-discoverable

01:31:50 ◼   ► in a bunch of areas, but this seems pretty nice to me.

01:31:53 ◼   ► There is maybe too much, but I like too much more than not enough.

01:31:58 ◼   ► I don't have to use all these features, but if I just use one of them, it's more than

01:32:04 ◼   ► iOS gives me.

01:32:05 ◼   ► The floating window idea only works in some very limited places, but I still have that

01:32:12 ◼   ► option here.

01:32:14 ◼   ► Being able to use three apps at once, I want to be able to do that on iOS, and I cannot.

01:32:21 ◼   ► YouTube has picture-in-picture on this device, which is something I would desperately want

01:32:25 ◼   ► on iOS, but can't have.

01:32:28 ◼   ► So I can watch picture-in-picture video.

01:32:31 ◼   ► The way this device does multitasking allows me to do more and I have done more work, been

01:32:37 ◼   ► able to do work on this device better than I can on my iPhone.

01:32:41 ◼   ► For example, I was responding to an email while checking a PDF on Dropbox and grabbing

01:32:45 ◼   ► stats from a webpage.

01:32:47 ◼   ► I can't do that type of stuff on my iPhone, right?

01:32:50 ◼   ► But I can do it on this device because I can have so many apps open at once.

01:32:54 ◼   ► On my iPhone I'm jumping from device from window to window, app to app.

01:32:58 ◼   ► Well you know what they say, you can't get real work done on a non-foldable phone.

01:33:01 ◼   ► That is true.

01:33:02 ◼   ► It's very true.

01:33:05 ◼   ► The multitasking is crazy, the amount that you can do.

01:33:09 ◼   ► But as I said, I like having all of these options.

01:33:12 ◼   ► I don't have to use them all though, right?

01:33:14 ◼   ► But I like that they're there.

01:33:16 ◼   ► I think that's kind of cool.

01:33:18 ◼   ► And I like being able to have it.

01:33:19 ◼   ► I also like how everything just works, which is a crazy thing to say about Android.

01:33:25 ◼   ► But it does.

01:33:26 ◼   ► of these apps just work. The developers didn't need to do anything I don't think to get this

01:33:31 ◼   ► to work. Otherwise it wouldn't because nobody would do all of that work just for this one

01:33:37 ◼   ► device. So I really like the way the multitasking stuff works even though as I say it's a little

01:33:44 ◼   ► aggressive maybe in places.

01:33:47 ◼   ► Cameras are really good but they're old now. This is the cameras that you find in the Galaxy

01:33:52 ◼   ► 10, right? The 10, I think it's called, right?

01:33:57 ◼   ► >> Yeah, last year's phone.

01:33:58 ◼   ► >> Yeah, or like earlier this year's phone, like March's phone, right? The Note has better

01:34:03 ◼   ► cameras in it. Camera call is very good, but it is not iPhone 11 quality, but better than

01:34:07 ◼   ► the 10s. Using the full screen, the full open screen as a viewfinder is really nice, but

01:34:14 ◼   ► it's not convenient for capturing a quick photo.

01:34:16 ◼   ► >> Because you got to open it, right?

01:34:18 ◼   ► Exactly. And the small screen is too small. So it's not ideal for quick pictures, but I would get by

01:34:25 ◼   ► right. But I do really like using the full viewfinder in the big screen to take photos.

01:34:31 ◼   ► It's like a really nice experience. You can also add multiple shutter buttons.

01:34:38 ◼   ► You can put them anywhere on the screen. Android man, it's a wonderful place. You can do some wild

01:34:45 ◼   ► stuff I can have as many shutter buttons as I want I can put them anywhere and I

01:34:50 ◼   ► guess the idea for that is so there's always one that you can that you can hit

01:34:54 ◼   ► no matter how you're holding the device so kind of cool there are six cameras on

01:34:58 ◼   ► this device there are three on the back there's one on the front and two on the

01:35:03 ◼   ► inside what I like about that is six is too many but it is the amount that you

01:35:10 ◼   ► need if you're going to build the device this way because everybody wants to

01:35:15 ◼   ► a selfie camera and if I'm doing facial recognition they need it on the front screen right? They

01:35:20 ◼   ► also need them on the inside screen for the same reason and then you want the three on

01:35:24 ◼   ► the back so they have like the ultra wide the wide and a telephoto. This device has

01:35:29 ◼   ► that weird aperture changing thing that the Galaxy phones have. Remember that? Is it like

01:35:36 ◼   ► one of the is it like the the actual aperture is changing with a motor inside the device?

01:35:42 ◼   ► I hear that sometimes.

01:35:44 ◼   ► Very strange.

01:35:45 ◼   ► I have yet to work out exactly what

01:35:48 ◼   ► that does, but I'm

01:35:50 ◼   ► it's cool that it's there.

01:35:51 ◼   ► These cameras are amazing.

01:35:53 ◼   ► But then the iPhone 11 happened.

01:35:55 ◼   ► Right. Right.

01:35:56 ◼   ► I've been doing some tests that

01:35:58 ◼   ► close, but I prefer the iPhone's

01:35:59 ◼   ► images. I've been doing like blind

01:36:01 ◼   ► tests on myself and like up

01:36:03 ◼   ► just taking photos of the same

01:36:04 ◼   ► thing, uploading them to a Dropbox

01:36:06 ◼   ► folder and choosing which I like the

01:36:07 ◼   ► most. And I always like the iPhones

01:36:09 ◼   ► the most. But these cameras are

01:36:10 ◼   ► really good.

01:36:11 ◼   ► This is a basically $2,000 device. In the box you get wireless earbuds. The Galaxy buds are included, which is great because they should be.

01:36:20 ◼   ► How are those? They sound good?

01:36:21 ◼   ► They sound great because they go inside the ear. And they're comfortable.

01:36:26 ◼   ► So they sound better than AirPods you think?

01:36:29 ◼   ► They can do, I think. They sound good. I mean, I don't consider myself to have the ears to test that type of stuff, you know, like what sounds better.

01:36:38 ◼   ► but they do sound really good and they have isolation. Where they do beat the

01:36:43 ◼   ► AirPods is that the outside of them have touch pads so you don't need to tap to

01:36:49 ◼   ► change a accelerometer you just need to tap it very lightly to pause. I don't

01:36:55 ◼   ► need to hit it. You can also assign more actions single tap, double tap,

01:36:59 ◼   ► triple tap and hold on the touch pad. I like that because those are just like

01:37:05 ◼   ► the way you would have used one of the inline monitors right? Double tap to

01:37:08 ◼   ► skip, triple tap to go back, that kind of thing. And it has the inductive charging

01:37:12 ◼   ► to charge the the Galaxy Buds case. But what I didn't know is that you have

01:37:18 ◼   ► actually have to activate this in the software. So I have to pull down the

01:37:22 ◼   ► notification shade and hit a button for it to work. It doesn't work automatically.

01:37:25 ◼   ► You have to turn it on, which feels less cool as a thing. So close to being mad

01:37:31 ◼   ► school. Yeah super quick Samsung put a bunch of weird stuff. Their AR emoji is

01:37:36 ◼   ► absolutely horrifying it's really jittery terrible and uncanny valley and

01:37:39 ◼   ► I hate it. One Samsung thing that I do like is that the charging screen it

01:37:45 ◼   ► tells me how long it's gonna take for the phone to charge to be fully charged

01:37:50 ◼   ► which I like a lot. Kind of big picture this device has a quality to it that I

01:37:56 ◼   ► can't explain but can't it like feels like it can't be denied I want to use it

01:37:59 ◼   ► all the time I wanna explore it I want to see what I can do with it it feels

01:38:03 ◼   ► like a exciting and tiny computer like more than a phone but like it's kind of

01:38:10 ◼   ► feel it just feels like a tiny tablet that I can fold and put in my pocket

01:38:15 ◼   ► that's what it feels like that's what it is and that makes this form factor

01:38:21 ◼   ► incredibly exciting to me like for future products like the Microsoft Duo

01:38:26 ◼   ► as well like I am only more excited for this form factor than I was before

01:38:31 ◼   ► because there are genuine exciting real-world uses for a device like this.

01:38:37 ◼   ► I'm very keen to see what the larger screen device, the Microsoft Duo is

01:38:43 ◼   ► like, what the 360 degree hinge does for it. I'm excited for all that kind of

01:38:47 ◼   ► stuff. I will say I was very conscious about using this device outside of the

01:38:51 ◼   ► house. It was like the original iPhone, right? You feel like in using it

01:38:56 ◼   ► you're drawing attention to yourself. So I feel kind of weird about that. I keep

01:39:02 ◼   ► wanting to play with this. I keep wanting to find new things to do with it. Like as

01:39:05 ◼   ► I stand right now, I mean we'll see how I am in a couple of weeks, it feels like a

01:39:10 ◼   ► device that I want to keep in my rotation of devices. Like to have around

01:39:14 ◼   ► the home to pick up and do something with. Because it is a great form factor.

01:39:21 ◼   ► It's like why you would want an iPad mini, right?

01:39:25 ◼   ► But imagine if the iPad mini could be folded up and put in your pocket

01:39:29 ◼   ► Like that's what this is

01:39:30 ◼   ► Like I love it and also just because of the way the world works now pretty much every app

01:39:36 ◼   ► I use is on Android like the only thing I'm missing is Apple Notes like that's it

01:39:41 ◼   ► Everything else has web services to my message. Well, but I mean I think my work done

01:39:46 ◼   ► I don't get work done in that message. It all happens in slack, right? Slack is here to doist

01:39:52 ◼   ► Google Docs, Google Sheets, they're all on this device, right? Dropbox, 1Password, it's all here.

01:39:57 ◼   ► So I can use all of the apps and services that I use on other devices on this one. And it works

01:40:03 ◼   ► great. Apple Music is even on it, right? Yeah, I had that realization when I bought my pixel 3a,

01:40:09 ◼   ► which I used to kind of like you're using this around the house for a while. It's like,

01:40:12 ◼   ► Oh, almost everything I do is here. And, and honestly, I think I think there are a lot of

01:40:17 ◼   ► people sort of enough circles that maybe tried Android in the distance past, and would be

01:40:21 ◼   ► surprised how good it is now like they have done so much work. And yes, there's still like a level

01:40:28 ◼   ► of polish. It's only available on iOS. And yes, the app ecosystem is richer on iOS. But

01:40:34 ◼   ► Android is should not be laughed off by Apple people because it is it is shockingly good in

01:40:40 ◼   ► places. Plus Samsung's version of Android is really nicely designed now. Like it's

01:40:46 ◼   ► very clean. It's called One UI now and this was like after Google said to them "hey,

01:40:50 ◼   ► rein it in". Is it the one with the UI at the bottom to facilitate one-handed

01:40:56 ◼   ► interactions? Yes, that's one of the features of One UI that they shifted a

01:41:00 ◼   ► lot of the stuff down. Yeah, big banners and most of the tappable UIs towards the

01:41:04 ◼   ► bottom of the screen. Does it actually help? Yeah, it's nice. I mean, I mean that

01:41:09 ◼   ► That is a thing that is there for sure, right?

01:41:11 ◼   ► I'm not like, I mean, it's kind of different for this device because you don't really use

01:41:15 ◼   ► it on one hand, right?

01:41:17 ◼   ► Because it's super difficult to do that.

01:41:21 ◼   ► But more of what I'm saying is overall, this UI feels way closer to stock Android now.

01:41:29 ◼   ► It just feels like a very nicely designed version of Android.

01:41:32 ◼   ► Like I don't have complaints of it that way.

01:41:34 ◼   ► I don't know what software updates are going to be like.

01:41:36 ◼   ► I don't know how that works now.

01:41:37 ◼   ► I haven't been in that world for a while.

01:41:40 ◼   ► Ultimately, the Galaxy Fold is a device

01:41:42 ◼   ► that I have waited a long time for.

01:41:45 ◼   ► And now having used it for a week,

01:41:47 ◼   ► I am convinced it was a product that

01:41:49 ◼   ► was worth waiting for for me.

01:41:51 ◼   ► I love it.

01:41:53 ◼   ► I hope that I would.

01:41:54 ◼   ► I have absolutely no regrets.

01:41:58 ◼   ► So I wanted to answer listener questions.

01:42:00 ◼   ► We do not have time for that today,

01:42:01 ◼   ► because this has been a very long episode.

01:42:03 ◼   ► Keep sending them in to me.

01:42:04 ◼   ► Maybe I can steal some time in a later episode.

01:42:06 ◼   ► You can just tweet them to me.

01:42:07 ◼   ► But there was one question where it was gonna be

01:42:09 ◼   ► what I was gonna kind of end all this on,

01:42:11 ◼   ► which from Jens, he said, "Would you spend this money again?"

01:42:14 ◼   ► Yes, I would.

01:42:15 ◼   ► I love this thing.

01:42:16 ◼   ► So that's what I have to say on the Galaxy Fold for now.

01:42:19 ◼   ► - I'm glad you like it.

01:42:20 ◼   ► It does sound like it is a much nicer device

01:42:22 ◼   ► than I think the earlier reviews kind of let on.

01:42:26 ◼   ► I'm not, we've talked about this offline,

01:42:28 ◼   ► I'm not sold on the foldable thing being the future.

01:42:32 ◼   ► In fact, I honestly don't think it is,

01:42:34 ◼   ► but I'm glad people are experimenting with it.

01:42:37 ◼   ► and it may become a subset of what some people want, but I don't think it's going to be mainstream.

01:42:42 ◼   ► Not yet. They've got a long way to go from mainstream. But I think this is, because it's

01:42:48 ◼   ► the price and the complexity, but I still think foldable devices that have multiple

01:42:54 ◼   ► screens changing form factors, I still think that's the future, but we've got a ways to

01:42:59 ◼   ► go.

01:43:00 ◼   ► We'll find out who's right at some point.

01:43:02 ◼   ► That was a really good description, Myke. I'm really fascinated by the way that you

01:43:09 ◼   ► described all the different ways to bring apps into multitasking. You sent us some screenshots

01:43:15 ◼   ► and videos, and I found that really fascinating, and I hope that listeners maybe following

01:43:20 ◼   ► the conversation can have some sort of way to visualize what you mean, because it truly

01:43:27 ◼   ► is something so wildly different from iPadOS on a smaller device, and that's the thing

01:43:34 ◼   ► that I really find interesting. It's not a tablet, but it's got more options. I think

01:43:40 ◼   ► that is wild.

01:43:41 ◼   ► Opacity changes and floating windows.

01:43:44 ◼   ► I mean, some of them are a little too much.

01:43:47 ◼   ► When you're doing it though, it's like, "Yeah, you know what? I was just mindlessly watching

01:43:52 ◼   ► a YouTube video, I might as well decrease the opacity.

01:43:55 ◼   ► Like, why not?

01:43:56 ◼   ► Like, it's it's bonkers.

01:43:58 ◼   ► It is unrestrained design, but sometimes exciting things come out of that.

01:44:02 ◼   ► So and I and I think this is exciting.

01:44:05 ◼   ► It's much more desktop like than the iPad.

01:44:07 ◼   ► Definitely. They've tried to do that right.

01:44:10 ◼   ► Like and it's too limited success in places, but they have definitely tried

01:44:14 ◼   ► to focus on let's recreate a multitasking system, which feels like a desktop

01:44:18 ◼   ► rather than let's try and start from a phone which is probably more what Apple did.

01:44:22 ◼   ► And the fact that all of this works and works well tells me that there is a long way to go

01:44:31 ◼   ► for Apple to continue improving multitasking on iPad because there is absolutely no reason why

01:44:36 ◼   ► I shouldn't be able to have three or four applications open at once if this device does it.

01:44:41 ◼   ► Cool. Well thank you for sharing.

01:44:43 ◼   ► Thank you.

01:44:44 ◼   ► If you want to find links to stuff we spoke about,

01:44:48 ◼   ► they're over in the show notes,

01:44:50 ◼   ► in your podcast app of choice or on the web,

01:44:52 ◼   ► relay.fm/connected/265.

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01:45:07 ◼   ► so go check those out.

01:45:08 ◼   ► You can find Federico on Twitter, Vittici, V-I-T-I-C-C-I.

01:45:13 ◼   ► He's the editor-in-chief of MacStories.net,

01:45:15 ◼   ► and he is now free to go read his own emoji coverage.

01:45:18 ◼   ► So you can go do that.

01:45:19 ◼   ► - Finally, it's been 85 years since.

01:45:24 ◼   ► - If you wanna find me on Twitter, I'm there as ismh,

01:45:29 ◼   ► and you can find my other work at 512pixels.net.

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01:45:37 ◼   ► Until next time, guys, say goodbye.

01:45:39 ◼   ► - Arrivederci.

01:45:40 ◼   ► - Cheerio. - Adios.