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0:00:02Hello and welcome to Connected, episode 261.
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0:00:18My name is Stephen Hackett and I'm joined in person
0:00:21by Mr. Myke Curley.
0:00:22- Hello.
0:00:24- What's up?
0:00:25- I'm in Memphis again.
0:00:26- We're gonna talk about why in a minute.
0:00:29But we are together in the studio,
0:00:31we can give each other high fives, proof.
0:00:33Can't fake that in Logic later.
0:00:35It is hot outside, it is nice in here.
0:00:39And we are without Federico this week, which is sad.
0:00:42- He couldn't make it.
0:00:44- He said if I can't be there in person--
0:00:46- Don't wanna do it. - I don't wanna do it.
0:00:47And I kinda respect that. - Yep.
0:00:49- So he'll be back next week. - Yep.
0:00:51- His iOS 13 review goes up tomorrow.
0:00:55So we're gonna talk a lot about that next week.
0:00:57He's just in the final stages of getting that ready.
0:00:59I've been leafing through it and to no surprise,
0:01:03it's really good.
0:01:04- It's really good and really big.
0:01:05Just like Federico.
0:01:06He's pretty tall.
0:01:09- He's taller than you think he would be.
0:01:10It surprised me the first time we met.
0:01:12- Big, tall Italian boy, that's what we call him.
0:01:15The BTIB.
0:01:15- Sure.
0:01:19We have some-- - Big, tall energy.
0:01:20(laughing)
0:01:24- So we have some follow-ups that we do
0:01:25at the beginning of the show.
0:01:26And let's start by talking about phones that we may or may not have ordered.
0:01:31Products, not just phones, products, products.
0:01:33I didn't order any other products.
0:01:35You sure?
0:01:36Uh huh.
0:01:37Even for, okay, all right.
0:01:38Well that one thing's a surprise so don't ruin that.
0:01:41Okay.
0:01:42I ordered a iPhone 11 Pro, the smaller of the two.
0:01:48I was with Space Gray, after all the hands on videos and stuff, talked to me into Space
0:01:52Gray.
0:01:53the camera bump will be less noticeable in the back.
0:01:56The black.
0:01:57- It just sounds like hope. - And all black.
0:01:59- There's no reason why it would be better
0:02:02or worse in all black.
0:02:03- Well, black cameras floating on white glass seems icky.
0:02:07- But then maybe that takes your attention away
0:02:08from the bump and just to the lenses.
0:02:11- Whatever, I ordered a Space Gray for the first time
0:02:13in a long time, excited about that.
0:02:15And what, 256 gig on AT&T, so that's my phone.
0:02:20- Something that I don't think I'd noticed
0:02:22until the orders went up.
0:02:24I cannot believe that this phone starts at 64 gigabytes for $1,000.
0:02:28Same as the 10 and 10s.
0:02:31But yeah, it's ridiculous.
0:02:31It should be at 128.
0:02:32It just feels like at this point we should have moved on from this.
0:02:35And I just think that it's kind of crazy that they're still doing that.
0:02:40Because really this phone starts at $1,149.
0:02:44It doesn't start at $999 because you shouldn't be spending $1,000
0:02:48and getting 64 gigabytes of storage.
0:02:49Well, not if you're a pro.
0:02:51Well, that's part of it, though, right?
0:02:52But I just mean like if you're spending that,
0:02:55you shouldn't be getting that cause you're not going to be happy with it. Right?
0:02:58Like it doesn't matter what Apple keeps doing to iOS to make iOS more space
0:03:02efficient. You will come up against a 64 gigabytes really fast.
0:03:05Like especially they keep making the cameras better,
0:03:08which means they take more data. So all of your images are getting bigger.
0:03:114k video is huge.
0:03:124k video is supposed to be what you're watching on this thing cause you've got
0:03:15your Dolby Atmos and your whatever it is. And it just feels like,
0:03:21It just feels silly.
0:03:22Like I know it's like, what's the point of even complaining about it?
0:03:25Like, because it's just like, it is what it is with them, with this stuff.
0:03:28But I just think that I wouldn't be frustrated about the, uh, the 11 so much.
0:03:33Starting there, but the pro should not be starting at 64 gigabytes.
0:03:37It just shouldn't, a thousand dollars should get you more than
0:03:4064 gigabytes of storage on a phone.
0:03:42Agreed.
0:03:43What did you do?
0:03:46So because I'm not I
0:03:48Can't I'm not gonna be in
0:03:51The UK right on Friday because we're gonna be doing the podcast with on which we'll talk about in a bit
0:03:55I didn't order through the traditional channels, right?
0:03:59Like I didn't place an order because I can't pick it up and I'm not at home to receive it
0:04:03So I'm working on trying to get one for when I get home the gold one
0:04:08But we're still also trying to get one for the podcast of fun as well
0:04:12Yeah, I'll have mine at least and we'll see if we can get you one
0:04:15We're still trying we're still working on that
0:04:16So but so that that will be a thing so we can unbox one on the on the actual stream
0:04:20So I'm still trying to get one but otherwise I'm gonna pick him one up on Monday the 23rd
0:04:25So I would pick one up then if I can't get it and that will be the gold
0:04:28256 okay the max the max and I also I have ordered a gold 256
0:04:36Regular for a dino to the pro the pro. Yeah
0:04:41Yeah, I went through her like and I showed her all the stuff and was like you can choose right because you've got colors and
0:04:47all that kind of stuff
0:04:48and she was
0:04:50She wanted to have all the best camera stuff that she could possibly have her because that matters to her, right?
0:04:56It's the reason she wants to upgrade so she's on a 10
0:04:59And she's been jealous of the 10 our photos. I'm sorry that the 10 s photos for a bit. We'll talk about that later on
0:05:07But now she wants to upgrade to get the better camera
0:05:10So the pro is the best option for her as well because that's where the best camera lives. What is she using now a 10, okay?
0:05:18She was on SE for a long time right no she was gonna buy the SE
0:05:22She had a 5 for a long that's what I'm thinking
0:05:25And then she was gonna buy the SE
0:05:26But was so mad about the fact that it was super expensive and just looked like her current phone that she got a 6
0:05:33Okay, and then no success I think initially for that success until the 10, okay
0:05:38So this is the the most the shortest upgrade cycle for her in a long time. Yeah
0:05:44Over on six colors Jason had this awesome interview about the
0:05:50Ultra wideband you one chip that's in the new phone. So we spoke a little bit about this week
0:05:56There's really not much information out there about this, but it is basically technology that allows
0:06:01devices to locate each other with like pinpoint accuracy and
0:06:05Apple's using it for airdrop and we can all just assume that it's going to be part of any sort of
0:06:10device tracking system in the future
0:06:13But Jason landed this interview and it's a great read if you haven't seen this yet
0:06:18I definitely recommend it if you want to know more about this technology and what people think it could do in the future
0:06:24Yeah, I'm really excited about this. I mean it seems like there's all sorts of
0:06:28Things that this could do beyond just losing your keys
0:06:31But I think about it in like industry and like commercial settings. It seems really neat
0:06:37Yeah, he spoke to a marketing president a company that makes these ships
0:06:42It's not the company that's making the chips for Apple
0:06:45but this is a company that is invested in ultra wideband technology and I mean
0:06:49Of course the VP of marketing for an ultra wideband company is gonna be really excited about ultra wideband
0:06:54sure but he does liken it to when Apple put Wi-Fi chips in the max for the first
0:07:00time right like what Wi-Fi card inside and it's like that opened up so much
0:07:04possibility and they say that there is a lot of possibility here too and there is
0:07:08I mean when you go through and look at some of the potential options even for
0:07:11for technology it doesn't even exist yet like AR or whatever having these devices
0:07:16being able to talk to each other at a much closer rate is great and there's a
0:07:20lot of stuff that could be done for smart home you know like I thought about
0:07:23about the idea of, it's really nice to have NFC stickers
0:07:26that you can tap when you leave the office
0:07:29to set the Hue lights, but wouldn't it just be better
0:07:31if the devices all spoke to each other
0:07:33and I never had to do anything?
0:07:35- Yeah, 'cause right now, so much geofencing stuff,
0:07:37it's not super accurate, right?
0:07:39So for me, for my use case for my offices in my yard,
0:07:42my backyard, a geofence, if I go in the house,
0:07:47that's not far enough. - No.
0:07:48- And so nothing can be automated based on location.
0:07:50- It's also not precise enough technology
0:07:53my opinion that I'm willing to trust it greatly for the for like really
0:07:57important things but ultra wideband with it's like what like 10 centimeter range
0:08:02or whatever like I'm willing to trust that that's a good that's a good level
0:08:05of range for me so I'm excited about it but we'll have to wait and see if and
0:08:09what Apple do with it but they have made their own chip again so they're probably
0:08:12gonna do something mm-hmm I want to point people also to Mac power users
0:08:17episode 500 a because 500 is a huge nice round number that's exciting
0:08:23congratulations thank you for this I interviewed my co-host David sparks we
0:08:29were live at the max.conference back in July where the bulk of this episode
0:08:33takes place it's sort of a the middle the episode is from July the beating
0:08:37evidence from now kind of merged them together through the magic of editing
0:08:40and it was great to talk about to David about his work and how he ended up in
0:08:45this but a lot of good listener questions. Just really happy with how it came out and we swore
0:08:52the MaxDock audience to secrecy about the interview because we recorded it six weeks ago and
0:08:57they all kept their pledges so I don't think anything got out. Nothing got to the press.
0:09:02That's right. I think we are the press. Well, other press. Other press. Nothing got to upgrade.
0:09:07That's true. Nothing was leaked on upgrade. Nothing was leaked. Do you want to tell people
0:09:11about our trip out west? We're kind of getting things ready for the
0:09:16podcast of fun this week so we did a twitch stream
0:09:18a couple of days ago where we played Oregon Trail.
0:09:22I played it for the first time and no spoilers but I'm the best Oregon Trail
0:09:26player of all time so we put that up on our
0:09:28youtube channel so you can go and watch that if you want to if you want to see
0:09:31me and Steven playing Oregon Trail and raising money
0:09:34for Saint-Duit at the same time. It was a lot of fun and we got a game of
0:09:38Super Muncher summon at the end. Yeah I didn't like that one.
0:09:40Argan trial was fine, Super Munchers was boring, sorry.
0:09:44Wow.
0:09:44I'm sorry.
0:09:45You're just bad at picking out reptiles.
0:09:46Yeah, sure, but it's boring.
0:09:47So in two days we're going to be doing our podcast-a-thon. I'll let you talk about that.
0:09:54But the reason we're doing it is September is Childhood Cancer Awareness Month. We've
0:09:58been talking about it. Our initial goal was to raise $75,000 for St. Jude, which is an institution
0:10:04here in Memphis that treats kids without regard for their family's ability to pay for that treatment.
0:10:10what's cool is St. Jude's Reach is far beyond just Memphis.
0:10:15It happens to be in my backyard,
0:10:17but they, well not my backyard,
0:10:19down the street a little bit,
0:10:20but they do treat kids from all over the country
0:10:24and all around the world,
0:10:25and then they share their research with organizations,
0:10:29including the World Health Organization,
0:10:31all around the globe.
0:10:32So kids with cancer in all sorts of far distant places
0:10:36can benefit from the work happening right here in Tennessee,
0:10:39which is cool as a local guy.
0:10:40But the thing that I really wanna point people towards
0:10:46is that they do this without charging the families.
0:10:49And if anyone's been through this with a loved one
0:10:52or a friend, you know how expensive these treatments can be.
0:10:56And to have the best treatment
0:10:57and the best research in the world,
0:10:59and to have your travel paid for and your meals paid for
0:11:03and anything you need while you're here paid for
0:11:06lets you focus on the task at hand
0:11:08of seeing your kid through this nightmare, honestly.
0:11:12And St. Jude does that, and as a recipient of that
0:11:16for now 10 years with our son,
0:11:19I can tell you that there's no place on earth
0:11:21quite like this.
0:11:22And that's why we're excited to do what we do each September.
0:11:26We've blown past the $75,000 goal.
0:11:29We are quickly approaching $150,000,
0:11:32just twice our original goal.
0:11:34and we moved the goalpost to 175
0:11:37because we are doing this show on Friday.
0:11:39You wanna talk a little bit about that?
0:11:41- Yeah, so from four to 10 p.m. Eastern,
0:11:44there is a link in the show notes to a Twitch event
0:11:47where you can see what the time will be
0:11:48in your own time zone.
0:11:50We're gonna be streaming live from St. Jude's campus
0:11:53for, yes, six hours, and we're gonna be doing
0:11:56the first ever Relay FM Podcast-a-thon.
0:11:58Me and Steven are gonna be there in person.
0:12:00We have some great interviews with some important people
0:12:04who will be coming in.
0:12:04And we also have a bunch of relay FM hosts as well, Skyping in.
0:12:08It's going to be new Apple product days,
0:12:10so there's going to be a lot of talk about that.
0:12:12And there's going to be some games that we're going to play.
0:12:14Jason Snell's put together a wonderful game, which may be familiar
0:12:17to some people who've listened to previous episodes of the show.
0:12:20And we're going to be doing the best we can to try and raise money
0:12:25for St. Jude.
0:12:27So that is September 20th this Friday from 4 to 10 p.m.
0:12:32Eastern time in America, which is a decent time for people to most over the world to catch at least some
0:12:38Which is why we chose this time
0:12:41So please tune in for as much as you possibly can
0:12:44And see all the fun things we're gonna do to try and convince you to give us more money. That's right
0:12:50We are gonna host the video on YouTube when it's done. Yep, and we're gonna post the audio
0:12:56Some people have ashes for the the audio
0:12:58It's gonna be a big mp3 just be prepared. Maybe it would be multiple ones
0:13:02We don't see hands the six-hour file may break everything. We'll find out
0:13:07But that will be hosted in a new feed on relay FM. So if you get a relay FM
0:13:13Departures that is a feed we've set up just for our special event
0:13:17So right now the family feud is in there just to have something there for episode one. Yep
0:13:21This is won't be a fee that's updated very often. But as we do wacky things over time
0:13:26I think any live show can go in there, you know
0:13:28Like any live event that we do we can try and put in there if it makes sense
0:13:31Rather than living in disparate places because the live events tend to have multiple hosts them
0:13:37Yeah, if it's that, you know, I think like the connected WWDC maybe not we'll see how it goes
0:13:41But relay.fm/departures will be tweeting that link
0:13:45I hope to have that stuff up at some point over the weekend
0:13:48That's gonna take a long time for that video to get where it needs to go
0:13:53But we'll definitely share those links in next week's show notes as well
0:13:56Yeah, so if we love if you hung out on twitch live this Friday, but if you can't we understand
0:14:01You can check it out later. And of course you can donate at st. Jude org slash connected
0:14:07On to tiny topic number one. Mm-hmm, and it's an ironic tiny topic because this is a big topic. It's a 27 inch topic
0:14:15Mmm, Myke you are buying a new computer. Yeah, I think we've touched on this a little bit
0:14:22But I have placed an order with a Apple business rep. I haven't paid for it yet
0:14:27But I will be paying for it very soon because I don't want them to ship it to me because I'm here and not home
0:14:33It's just like sitting outside your home. Probably a bad idea. I bought a 27 inch iMac Pro.
0:14:38Hooray! Welcome to the club. Thank you. I got the 8 core 3.2 gigahertz 8 core Intel Xeon W processor
0:14:46Which I don't know if you know can turbo boost up to 4.2 gigahertz. I'm aware. Yes
0:14:50I got 64 gigabytes of RAM and a 2 terabyte SSD. They're the two things that I added to it.
0:14:55So it's the base CPU, double the RAM, double the SSD, the entry-level GPU.
0:15:01Yes.
0:15:02I put entry-level in air quotes because it's a really good GPU.
0:15:04Yeah.
0:15:05Although there are newer ones. So this is what I want to talk to you about. I think you're fine
0:15:09buying this at this point. There's no rumor of an iMac Pro update. I don't think that there are
0:15:13Xeon's that could go into it yet. The Xeon's and the Mac Pro are different. There are GPUs
0:15:18they could put in an iMac Pro but honestly I've had an iMac Pro since the
0:15:24beginning of last year whenever it was basically new. I've got the stock based
0:15:29model so half the RAM and half the storage you do and I can honestly tell
0:15:33you it's the best computer I've ever owned. So you said that I saw Marco say
0:15:37that. Jason loves his. Everybody I know that has one loves it. Sparky's got one.
0:15:41Made it an easy choice. The specific reason that I'm doing it now is I don't
0:15:48want to run Catalina on my iMac so I'm buying it before that becomes a possible situation.
0:15:57Now of course they could and very are very likely to update it with something right like maybe it's
0:16:03a new chip or whatever but I am running with basically no problems a 2015 iMac yeah I think
0:16:11it was the first 5k I think you're right yeah I don't really need a ton more power the machine's
0:16:16four years old. But I wanted a bit more because it's getting slow in some places. It's gonna be a lot more power, man.
0:16:21You're gonna be surprised. I wanted more power and then I think I may have mentioned this in the past as well,
0:16:26then because a family member desperately needs a new computer. Okay. Which gave me the additional push to be like, alright,
0:16:32I'll just do it now. It's always nice when you can help somebody out. Yeah. Yeah, I think you're, I think you're safe
0:16:36even if they update it. It would be,
0:16:38you're still getting a really great computer. The updated Catalina thing is interesting.
0:16:42We spoke about this, I think, off the show, but a couple things can happen here.
0:16:45So the iMac Pro originally came with High Sierra and it may be that yours could run High Sierra,
0:16:53but Apple can't at any point silently revise the firmware or something on the machine and make it
0:16:59require something else. So I assume that your iMac Pro will come with Mojave on it out of the box
0:17:05and say that Catalina comes out October 15th, a made-up date. I'm not leaking anything. It's
0:17:11It's made up date.
0:17:12It may be that you could still get Mojave
0:17:14either out of the box or downgrade it well into the future,
0:17:19but to your point, that's not a guarantee.
0:17:20- And I don't wanna roll the dice on it.
0:17:22I don't like to mess with things.
0:17:25- No.
0:17:25- I am still on Mojave, I think.
0:17:28- You're on High Sierra, you mean?
0:17:29- I'm on High Sierra, I don't know which one I'm on.
0:17:30- Mojave's the current one, you're one back.
0:17:33- I'm one back, I'm on High Sierra.
0:17:34I'm on High Sierra, I haven't upgraded to Mojave.
0:17:37Wait, when did they add Dark Mode?
0:17:39- Mojave.
0:17:40Mojave I had to upgrade for some reason okay there was something that was
0:17:43stopping you yeah but Catalina is not going to be ready on day one for no I
0:17:48upgraded to Mojave not on day one yeah you did it pretty recently oh you know
0:17:53what maybe I am maybe I'm thinking about my Mac Mini of being on Mojave I think
0:17:57my my iMac is on High Sierra I spoke out on yet I'm thinking about because I was
0:18:03thinking I've tried out dark mode but I tried out on my Mac on your little home
0:18:06server there because that's what that shipped with so I I want to stay behind
0:18:10I especially want to stay behind in Catalina because it's a it's a lot of
0:18:15change it's a lot of change and it seems like it is just introducing more
0:18:20problems the reason that I like to stay a step behind is because my machine my
0:18:25Mac is not for fun right right like it's a tool I don't use it like I use my
0:18:30other devices where like I want to be in the latest and greatest to have all the
0:18:33on features, I want a completely stable environment. Nothing to change. That's what I want because
0:18:40if something messes up and I lose a day trying to fix it, I don't want that. Like that is
0:18:46a day's time that I've lost, which is valuable and I don't really have that to spare to frustrating
0:18:52computer problems. So that's why I'm pulling the trigger at a time where I would not recommend
0:18:58other people do that. Right? Like if you are buying a new computer, especially a new
0:19:03professional Macintosh wait a month this is a terrible time to buy one so that's
0:19:07what I want to ask you so you have spoken in the past about an interest in
0:19:10the Mac Pro yeah what changed what's pushing you into the iMac Pro price that
0:19:14it I just I can it's a big reason it's super expensive well we don't know yet
0:19:20but we assume well the base model is a thousand dollars more than the iMac Pro
0:19:24yeah with a worse GPU a quarter of the storage and no display yeah it's like I
0:19:30I don't know how much it would end up costing me,
0:19:33but the price that it will be,
0:19:35I know from what I can already see,
0:19:38is more than I am willing to spend
0:19:41when the iMac Pro is sitting there for five grand.
0:19:44- The iMac Pro is an expensive computer,
0:19:46there's no way around it.
0:19:47But a funny thing has happened
0:19:49where the Mac Pro has made the iMac Pro
0:19:51look like a pretty good deal
0:19:52if you're shopping at the high end.
0:19:53- Because I would have to spec it up.
0:19:55Like, I mean, how much is it really gonna cost me, right?
0:19:58Like, I'm gonna do it to configure it like everyone.
0:20:00to get 64 gigabytes of RAM and a two terabyte SSD.
0:20:03- To match the iMac Pro you bought,
0:20:05the Mac Pro will be significantly more,
0:20:07and that's without a display.
0:20:08So if you go buy the LG one, you're adding what, two grand?
0:20:11If you buy the Apple's, you're adding seven?
0:20:13- For the work that I'm doing,
0:20:14I can't imagine that the increase in the processor
0:20:17from the iMac to the Mac Pro
0:20:18is really gonna give me that much.
0:20:20And it's gonna be in the fact that yes,
0:20:22I have a good eight core processor
0:20:24and really good fast RAM.
0:20:26Does it have the same, is the Mac Pro's RAM better?
0:20:29Is it faster?
0:20:30It is, isn't it?
0:20:31I think it is faster.
0:20:33They both use EEC memory?
0:20:35I don't remember. Yeah, EEC memory.
0:20:36But I believe the Mac Pro uses faster memory.
0:20:41But honestly, for what you do,
0:20:45I think the biggest difference is you don't need
0:20:47something like the afterburner card
0:20:49to accelerate 8K video.
0:20:50'Cause I don't do anything video-wise anymore.
0:20:52Right, and so if you're doing what we do,
0:20:54audio or even like, I do some 4K work,
0:20:57and the iMac Pro, the base iMac Pro that I have,
0:21:01is still plenty fast.
0:21:02I think for you and I needs,
0:21:05the iMac Pro is a better machine.
0:21:06That doesn't mean I'm not tempted by the Mac Pro,
0:21:08that doesn't mean there won't be one
0:21:09under my desk at some point,
0:21:11but the iMac Pro is a great machine.
0:21:13- Oh no, it runs the same, the DDR4 ECC memory,
0:21:16like 2666 megahertz.
0:21:20- Okay.
0:21:21- So it runs like I'm looking at mine, it's the same.
0:21:25- Yeah, I mean the iMac Pros for people
0:21:27who need add-on cards or who just need as much GPU power as you can get.
0:21:31For me, the Mac Pro thing was always like,
0:21:33what could I get that would be useful to me, right?
0:21:37And what Apple have decided to build.
0:21:40I mean, we spoke about this at length at this point,
0:21:44but it is outside of my requirements.
0:21:47I was wondering, like, will this thing start cheaper
0:21:51and have standard parts that I can upgrade?
0:21:55the answer to both of those things is pretty much no.
0:21:58We know it's not starting cheaper.
0:22:00And when I'm talking about like standard,
0:22:02like can I take the graphics card from my PC
0:22:04and put it in this thing?
0:22:05No, I cannot do that.
0:22:07Right, like it's not gonna be as simple as that.
0:22:09Right, and that's what I was kind of hoping for.
0:22:11- Yeah, well I mean if you have,
0:22:12if you're using AMD cards it is,
0:22:14but the Nvidia support's pretty bad.
0:22:16- Yeah, I'm using Nvidia card.
0:22:17But that's what I'm saying, right?
0:22:19But like then I, you know,
0:22:20it needs to go in those special enclosures that they have,
0:22:22right, is that right for graphics cards?
0:22:23- No, no. - You can just put them
0:22:24put a straight PCI card in it. The enclosures they have are bridging two GPUs into one. So you can put
0:22:31like, so say like the Radeon 7 card, which is a GPU Apple could use in the iMac Pro at some point,
0:22:38I assume. You could buy that and put it in a Mac Pro because the AMD drivers are all part of
0:22:46Mac OS. Apple's cards are just beefier than what you can get off the shelf easily. But to your
0:22:53point it's not just an open PC either right there is there are unusual things about it.
0:22:57I didn't think they would build that but I wanted to see how far they would go and I think for me
0:23:01it's maybe not not far enough like I in a weird way even though the iMac is completely closed
0:23:08I feel kind of more confident in the iMac's ability to be a running computer that's going
0:23:12to last forever and be good than the Mac Pro which we have no idea the potential pitfalls
0:23:18they have designed themselves into yet we just don't know that the iMac Pro at this point is a
0:23:22known element is a known quantity we do not know what the Mac Pro is gonna how
0:23:27it's gonna ship right like what is it gonna be like when it ships because in
0:23:30theory there shouldn't have been a problem with the last one but then I got
0:23:34one sitting over there a little trash can and what that is really good for
0:23:38actually is for picking names out of little pieces that's the best thing it
0:23:41does so you're looking at an iMac Pro you're probably gonna pull the trigger
0:23:45soon what about the galaxy fold well this is the most expensive month of your
0:23:51life. I don't want to talk about it. Why is everything so difficult? So the
0:23:55Galaxy Fold goes on sale in the UK today, right? So I go to their website and I
0:24:00click where to buy, right? So you can choose where to buy. And I have some
0:24:06options. I have EE, which is a carrier, which is my carrier. Okay, like a carrier
0:24:11store, like go buy from them. And when I click on that, all I'm given is the
0:24:14option to buy it on a pay monthly plan, right? You want me on a plan. Two year
0:24:19plans starting at kind of around a hundred pounds a month.
0:24:22Very expensive for a phone.
0:24:24But all these plans these days lump in the price of the phone.
0:24:28Like you. Right. Right.
0:24:29This is like so the recommended plan is one hundred and nineteen
0:24:32pounds a month. You pay fifty pounds for the phone.
0:24:35Now remember this is like a close to I don't even remember what the final
0:24:38price is, but like a two thousand pound phone.
0:24:40Right. It's really expensive.
0:24:41And it's 5G, 120 gigabytes of data.
0:24:44It's a great plan. Right.
0:24:46Because this is a 5G phone as well.
0:24:48How's 5G coverage in the UK? Here it's like you have to be on the right street
0:24:52corner. In London, I mean I haven't tested it but you can get good speeds in London
0:24:57but it is a similar thing right where it's like you've got to be in the right
0:25:01place at the right time but I do live in London so I'm in a city where it's being
0:25:04built out. So that's one option. I don't particularly want to do that. I don't
0:25:11want to lock myself into a two-year plan for this phone, ideally. Even though
0:25:15like you know I've run the numbers it probably wouldn't end up being that much
0:25:18more expensive but it will be a bit more expensive right so then I'm like all
0:25:24right let me just buy it from Samsung okay let me ask you a question this is
0:25:28Samsung's phone do you think you can buy on Samsung's website I would think so
0:25:32you cannot do that my other options are experience it in store and I have two
0:25:38options I have Samsung KX there's what it says join all the Samsung KX is
0:25:44It sounds like a cereal.
0:25:45It is a, it's not a shop is what their website says.
0:25:50It is an event space.
0:25:52So I can buy an event space which is nice I guess.
0:25:56Or I can receive a hand on experience of the galaxy fold and unfold the future apparently
0:26:01so that's good to know.
0:26:02Someone like helps you unfold it.
0:26:04But I don't know if I'm just touching it or can I buy it.
0:26:08It doesn't tell me if I'm able to actually buy it.
0:26:11I can just look at it.
0:26:13you can click on the Samsung store, right? Samsung Experience stores. And I just found
0:26:20that their locations can't buy it. And then also is available at Harrods and Selfridges
0:26:25to luxury, extreme luxury department stores. They've been very specific with this. I don't
0:26:32know why I can buy it online on EE's website, but can't buy it on Samsung's website. If
0:26:38you're buying it through Samsung, they want you to go to a place.
0:26:41so that you don't peel the screen off.
0:26:43- I guess that's part of it, right?
0:26:45But if that's the case, let me buy it on,
0:26:49if I can buy it on the E's website
0:26:50and they'll just ship it to my house,
0:26:52let me buy it on your website
0:26:53'cause I don't wanna be on a plan with, so.
0:26:56- I get the sense that Samsung is selling it
0:26:58begrudgingly at this point
0:26:59because there were pre-orders in the US,
0:27:01they gave everybody their money back.
0:27:03They're not here in the US yet.
0:27:06and this phone has a curse or something above it
0:27:11that seems like it's gonna follow it forever.
0:27:15So maybe they are quote selling it
0:27:17but actually buying it is extremely difficult
0:27:19'cause they don't want to have it on the market.
0:27:21- They don't wanna make it easy, I think,
0:27:24for people to buy this phone.
0:27:25I would love to know if I can book a time at this store
0:27:29and go and get one, this experience store,
0:27:32but nothing claims this.
0:27:34it's just like, oh, come and look at it.
0:27:37It's like, well then what do I do?
0:27:39So.
0:27:40- Well, keep us updated.
0:27:42- Yeah, I mean, I'm probably just gonna try and buy one.
0:27:47So when I go back home, and if I am gonna go
0:27:50to the Apple store to get an iPhone,
0:27:53I will be surrounded by, I mean,
0:27:56I'm in the center of London, and there is a Samsung store,
0:28:00and there's a Selfridges, and I could go to Harrods.
0:28:03So my plan is to attack these places
0:28:06until one of them will let me give an incredible amount
0:28:09of money to buy this phone.
0:28:11Because I know connected listeners are dying
0:28:14for my review of the Samsung Galaxy Fold at this point.
0:28:17- Sure.
0:28:19- I know they are.
0:28:20They better be.
0:28:21I'm still very excited about it.
0:28:23I will fight against anything Samsung has put in my way,
0:28:26which so far has been a lot,
0:28:28to try and just plead them to take my money
0:28:32to give me their fundamentally flawed phone.
0:28:35- Good luck with that. - Thank you.
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0:30:10It is new product week and here on Wednesday,
0:30:14the embargoes have been lifted on the iPhones
0:30:16and the Apple watches.
0:30:18So there are just a bunch of reviews that we've read
0:30:21and watched in the show notes.
0:30:23I thought we can maybe talk about some high level stuff.
0:30:26And it seems like the camera improvements are the thing that have grabbed people's
0:30:31attention this year on the phone.
0:30:33I mean, as always, it's always camera improvements, right? Like that's,
0:30:38it's always going to make the headlines because that's what Apple are doing
0:30:42every year. That's what you can always count on,
0:30:44that the camera's going to get better.
0:30:46But this feels like one of those years where they've gone and done something
0:30:50wild and it's more than the fact that they added another lens, right?
0:30:55Like they seem to have done a lot more from the software processing side to make their images look better and
0:31:02I am
0:31:05Dying to try out this camera
0:31:07Because it looks legit
0:31:10I mean the battery is also making a lot of headlines too because
0:31:14They've made huge jumps in battery levels, especially on the pro right like adding four or five hours of battery life to your phone
0:31:22it's wild is is bonkers like that's unprecedented from apple it is and it's a
0:31:29it's a promise they can't walk back so i've been thinking about this in terms of 5g
0:31:34coming in the future right now you get a 5g phone like your beloved and the battery life's miserable
0:31:39and all huh just like it was with lte back in the day remember android phones first got big when
0:31:44lte came out because they'd have bigger batteries the iphone used to have text in in the settings
0:31:50and it will have it again right you could enable it but it said it will reduce your battery life
0:31:54do you remember that i don't but i believe it it used you could you could choose and it's like you
0:31:58can stand 3g or you can go on 4g which will get you faster speeds but reduce the battery life of
0:32:02your phone but they can't walk back four to five hours no the phone still has to have it right right
0:32:08and so that's an interesting dynamic that may come up in the future
0:32:12Gruber and his review was talking a lot about 3d touch going away and that hardware going away
0:32:20and that maybe opening the door to a bigger battery.
0:32:24And clearly there's some element to the new processor,
0:32:28because even the 10R to the 11 gained an hour.
0:32:31But I think--
0:32:32It does have a bigger battery.
0:32:34But it has a bigger battery.
0:32:35And getting rid of the 3D Touch, the sensors which
0:32:39added depth to the display, and the phones
0:32:41are slightly thicker and slightly heavier,
0:32:43it seems like Apple, that was a big deal for them this year.
0:32:47And I think it's great.
0:32:48We're gonna talk about sort of our experience with the XS.
0:32:51I tell you, the battery life on the regular XS
0:32:53is not very good.
0:32:54And I'm excited for the 11 Pro to have a big bump there.
0:32:58But the cameras, I'm with you,
0:33:01I'm really excited to try them.
0:33:03The more examples I've seen of people posting
0:33:06from the ultra wide, I think there's a lot of
0:33:08creative things we can do with that.
0:33:11And I see now why the 11 has that and not the telephoto.
0:33:15Even though-- - It's more fun.
0:33:16I like the telephoto and I find it really useful.
0:33:18I think the ultrawide is more fun.
0:33:20I think people have a better time with that.
0:33:23And man, the night mode photos look really good.
0:33:27Jason had-- - Yeah, just before, sorry,
0:33:28just before we do move on to the camera stuff,
0:33:30I just, I saw this link yesterday and went to bring it up.
0:33:33MacRumors got some filings
0:33:35from the Chinese regulatory agency, Tenor.
0:33:38The batteries are 25% larger.
0:33:41- Wow.
0:33:42the the 11 Pro Max has effectively a 4000 milliamp power battery which the
0:33:50XS Max had a 3000 milliamp power battery. So a big jump. So they're huge.
0:33:54So yes the phone's got thicker which allowed for it but I would expect
0:33:58that Gruber is right that removing the 3D Touch also allowed for that. It
0:34:03probably wasn't why they removed 3D Touch but when they were doing the pros
0:34:06and cons of removing it I'm sure this was on the list. I mean as soon as the XR came out
0:34:11with haptic touch which is a long press instead of the deep force touch 3d force
0:34:17touch deep press. That's the full name. I think the writing was on the wall. Yes I agree with you.
0:34:22So the only thing that has 3d touch now is the track pads on the max and the
0:34:29Apple watch and even in watch OS 5 and I haven't run watch OS 6 but even in watch
0:34:33OS 5 the importance of 3d touch has been diminished and you could see where they
0:34:40could get rid of it there as well in the future. Yep. Because again, more battery
0:34:43life than the Apple Watch. It's always a good thing. Yep. But so yeah, so the night
0:34:48mode, Jason posted this picture last night or today, just outside and you know
0:34:53there's been lots of examples of this but the what caught me in his example, so
0:34:56it's of a car in his neighborhood and like a driveway that's lit and in the
0:35:01night mode photo you can see like the stars in the sky, which blows my mind
0:35:07mind that's possible on a camera that goes in your pocket. Yeah and as well
0:35:11like in John Gruber's review some of his photos of inside of a dimly lit bar were
0:35:18amazing like the fact that you could see like he was posting this is what it
0:35:25looks like on a like a XS and this is what it looks like on the 11 Pro with the
0:35:28night mode is I'm really excited for the night mode stuff I'm very very pleased
0:35:33that are adding it because the phone needs it after seeing what Google would
0:35:37do. So I'm really excited to see that they're doing it at what looks like to
0:35:41be a very very high level too. Yeah I think Apple has probably recaptured the
0:35:47best smartphone camera for most people. We'll see what the Pixel 4 does. It's
0:35:50gonna be out next month. A lot of people are saying right like this is now the
0:35:54phone to beat and the iPhone has not been the phone to beat for a while.
0:35:59the pixel 2. and it you right like so Google's event is in a couple of weeks
0:36:05time actually about a month's time it's like October 14th or something like that
0:36:08which is hilarious considering the fact that we know basically everything about
0:36:13this. and if I were to put money down that's also the week of Apple's
0:36:18October event. yeah if they're gonna do one they'll probably do it that week oh
0:36:21man can you imagine if they did it on the same day. I'm gonna be on vacation it's gonna be great. oh great
0:36:25everybody's on vacation but that's fine we'll still be here for you don't
0:36:29worry so I'm I'm I'm very intrigued to see what exactly Google will be doing on
0:36:39the camera side because Apple have really come out swinging this time it's
0:36:44exciting I want them to be competitive with the camera because there have been
0:36:48times where I've been in situations and I own a pixel 3a as like I wish I had
0:36:53the other phone with me. I don't like that feeling and so I think they've really stepped
0:36:58it up.
0:36:59I like something that John Gruber wrote, like a quote from his article, because one of the
0:37:04things about these new lenses, especially when you're in camera mode, but there's also
0:37:08in video mode when you're not shooting in 4K at 60 frames a second, you can change between
0:37:13any of the lenses and it happens smoothly. So you can either zoom with the little zoom
0:37:18wheel or you can like hit the buttons and it will zoom. Now with this current telephoto
0:37:23it would always like snap, right?
0:37:25But now it does a zoom into these things.
0:37:27And what Gruber says is,
0:37:29what's essential to understand
0:37:31is that you don't need to know
0:37:32that the iPhone 11 camera systems
0:37:34consist of two or three discrete cameras.
0:37:36From the user's perspective,
0:37:37they look and feel like a single camera
0:37:39with multiple zoom levels, which is awesome.
0:37:42I love the thought of that.
0:37:43Like I bet that's gonna feel much nicer
0:37:46as a way to control that stuff.
0:37:47- And Apple talked a lot about
0:37:49how they are much closer in quality.
0:37:52The ultra wide though doesn't have any focus pixels
0:37:55and is not quite as fast of an aperture.
0:37:59- And it can't be stabilized in video.
0:38:00- But, and they'll get there,
0:38:02but it does seem like they have done more work
0:38:05than in the past to make the cameras more similar.
0:38:09- Yep.
0:38:09- 'Cause like if on the 10 or the 10S,
0:38:12when you stepped up to the telephoto,
0:38:14it was markedly worse and that was always disappointing
0:38:18and it seems like this year they've done some work
0:38:20to help mitigate that.
0:38:21And also, you can now take portrait photos from the regular camera, not just the telephoto
0:38:28camera and it uses the like the ultra wide as the way to help balance that ground stuff.
0:38:34So I'm excited about that because you don't have to be so close, the camera is better,
0:38:38it can let more light in.
0:38:40And the examples that I've seen of people that are taking photos with this setup, so
0:38:46from the regular camera in portrait mode, the portrait shots look a lot better.
0:38:50I think it's going to be awesome.
0:38:52Anything else on the phones that you're excited about?
0:38:54Well, not excited, but something that I think is worth noting is that 13 seems super buggy
0:39:01on the new phones.
0:39:03All the reviews that I've read comment on this, and Apple's comment is, "Wait for iOS
0:39:0813.1," basically.
0:39:09So we're going to have 10 buggy days.
0:39:12I'm going to just put the 13 with beta on it and then migrate and not even worry with
0:39:1613 now.
0:39:17Really?
0:39:18I'm not going to do that.
0:39:19I'm still not running 13 on my iPhone.
0:39:21- I'm already on the beta, so I'm just gonna do it.
0:39:24- I will be the sacrificial lamb
0:39:26and let you know what 13 is like.
0:39:28- Okay, I think that does raise a question for our listeners.
0:39:32If you're not upgrading your phone this year
0:39:34and you're on 12, do you update to 13 tomorrow
0:39:37when it comes out, or do you wait a week for 13.1?
0:39:40- I mean, I wouldn't wait,
0:39:41because there's gonna be apps with,
0:39:44I mean, all the apps are gonna start popping out.
0:39:46Everyone's gonna be talking about 13.
0:39:47Like, I wouldn't wait.
0:39:48I wouldn't be able to wait.
0:39:50- Yeah, see, I would say go for it.
0:39:52- Yeah.
0:39:53- And--
0:39:53- Like I'm gonna be upgrading mine--
0:39:55- Tomorrow?
0:39:56- Tomorrow, I'm just gonna do it.
0:39:57- Yeah, I agree with that.
0:39:59I would say go ahead and do it.
0:40:00And if something is bad, it's only for a couple days.
0:40:03But even buggy doesn't mean that you're gonna have apps
0:40:07that are crashing and stuff.
0:40:08I mean, the betas have gotten a lot better recently.
0:40:12And it seems like, you know, some messages freezing and stuff.
0:40:14- I will give it a couple of hours though.
0:40:16I never update immediately because of all the years
0:40:20they did pull, they have pulled an update before.
0:40:23Multiple times this has happened.
0:40:24You know, it's usually the watch that has the most problems,
0:40:27but I'll give it a little bit,
0:40:28make sure that people's phones are actually updating,
0:40:31and then I will be upgrading my phone.
0:40:33- Just maybe like tomorrow night.
0:40:34- Yep.
0:40:35- That's good advice, good consumer advice.
0:40:38- Just keep your eye on Twitter for a couple of hours
0:40:39and then do it.
0:40:40There's just been too many instances of updates,
0:40:45brick and funds or whatever I think.
0:40:47But also Apple Watch reviews are out as well.
0:40:52Series five.
0:40:53There are less of these as you would imagine, right?
0:40:56Like there's less reviews, but.
0:40:58The basic consensus that the always on is a nice addition.
0:41:03I'll read another quote from John Gruber's review.
0:41:05To me, the always on display is the Apple Watch is right in the display moment.
0:41:09Once you see it, you can't go back and I totally can get that right.
0:41:12Like it takes it from and I've made this.
0:41:15I have a discomplaint many times on the show, right?
0:41:17Like it takes it from being just like a computer watch
0:41:20to a regular watch.
0:41:20You need to be able to see the time on your watch.
0:41:22That's the reason you wear a watch
0:41:24from a fundamental level.
0:41:25It's like, you know,
0:41:27it's like if your iPhone couldn't make phone calls.
0:41:30You need it to make phone calls.
0:41:31- Every once in a while.
0:41:33- Because at a fundamental level, it is a telephone.
0:41:35It is a communications device.
0:41:38So you need to be able to do that.
0:41:40So I'm pleased that now,
0:41:43I think that the watch being able to show you the time is significantly more important than your phone being able to make calls but
0:41:49Nevertheless, I'm pleased that it's there
0:41:52Battery life is still apparently really great indeed a bones review on the verge. He says it meets the 18-hour claim
0:41:59But the series 4 exceeded that yeah, so battery life is still doing what it should be doing, but it isn't as good anymore
0:42:07Yeah, that I think is fair the series for battery life is bonkers. We're definitely above the 18 hours Apple claims
0:42:14I think that's fine. I think most people gonna still charge it at night
0:42:17Like that's the default for almost everybody unless you sleep track. So I think even 18 hours is totally fine
0:42:22what is interesting to me in these reviews is
0:42:27the
0:42:29The really the lack of conversation about the new finishes
0:42:32Seems like the reviewers that I saw got the aluminum ones, which is again is what most people are gonna buy
0:42:37But I am definitely shouldn't be seen in the reviews at the addition models. They shouldn't be doing that
0:42:42I disagree because I think people want to see them. There's some people should get them but who dinky should get those
0:42:47Sure or MKBHC like or give somebody an aluminum and a steel like there should be more coverage of
0:42:54The higher-end ones and if you're an Apple watch person and you're interested in the stainless steel or titanium
0:43:00Odinkie's not a website you're gonna go to like it's a what's that you go to because you like watches
0:43:04But I think people who so I've just gone Odinkie's review titanium. Is it? Yeah, so put down the show notes
0:43:09And I have a couple like regular watches I would have I know but I would have gone there
0:43:16But I was traveling yesterday
0:43:17So I didn't get the opportunity to find as much stuff as I would have wanted to but yeah
0:43:21They reviewed the the titanium one. I'm gonna read through this later, but I think I think having more
0:43:28visibility of those other finishes would be nice especially with a new one because people people are interested in
0:43:34The differences it's like for me
0:43:37If I were to buy a series 5 I would I would have thought I'd go back to steel because I just don't like the aluminum
0:43:43But the titanium cuts the weight down, but I really want to see how it looks in person
0:43:48Yep, like these pictures look nice, but I want to see it
0:43:51Handled I want to see it in video. I want to see it more and
0:43:57it's a
0:43:59You know something that you can't really do without going into a store if they don't see the review units
0:44:03But I mean some minor complaint about how they've done this, but I think there should be more visibility of those
0:44:09Watch it was six is interesting to me, too. I've not run watch it was six
0:44:13I've never run a watch it was beta because it seems like a bad track
0:44:16But I am excited about the new watch faces the California watch face seems extremely customizable
0:44:22I like how what I've seen of it so far
0:44:26That would probably be the watch face that I run. Yeah, if I was to have one
0:44:30I'm excited about the hearing protection the hearing health stuff is really useful for you
0:44:35It is useful for me as someone who does audio stuff was you have a hearing issue. I have a slight hearing issue
0:44:42And it is one of those things though compared to the other health stuff where like a lot of the time you're like
0:44:48alright, well
0:44:51So like again going to Dita bones video, which is a very his Apple watch video is very good
0:44:55yeah he shows himself on his commute mm-hmm and he's exceeding the noise levels on the subway on
0:45:02the subway so he's like well now what then yeah like do i walk around with the earplugs in all
0:45:05the time like yes you can do that but like as opposed to some of apple's other health tracking
0:45:10stuff this is one where it's like i'm pleased to know this but like yeah well sometimes knowing is
0:45:15enough or if you have some hearing loss and you don't want to get worse me uh then that's something
0:45:22that I am interested in and I think we told the story on the show but you would
0:45:28tell the story about Casey coming in with the beta? I think I did like so so I
0:45:31was in a hotel room in WWDC with a few friends and Underscore was there and he
0:45:36was running the beta on his watch and Casey came up to the room and as soon as
0:45:39he came in and said hello to everybody the just Casey's level of excitement as
0:45:45he is because he's a wonderful person him just saying hello to everyone excitedly
0:45:48Set off underscores watch to say that the noise levels were now basically unacceptable safe
0:45:53Yeah, and it was the best story. It's the best story
0:45:57I'm so pleased I was there to experience that perfect because it's the best Casey moments
0:46:01Perfect the other big health thing in watch over six is cycle tracking. Yeah
0:46:05I was watching this with Adina this morning and she turned like so she was sitting next when I was watching it and they started
0:46:11Talking about it and she looked over and was like, okay
0:46:13So I was talking to her about it a little bit because I don't know enough about this stuff, right?
0:46:18But she was, you know, she uses an app called Clue, which I recommended to her because I
0:46:24saw somebody talking about the design of it years ago.
0:46:28And she was saying that like knowing this information is incredibly important because
0:46:33you go and see a doctor and they're like, when was your last period?
0:46:36I was like, well, how the hell am I supposed to know this if you're not recording it?
0:46:40So Apple doing, so she is intrigued and I want to get her opinion on it.
0:46:46I was like, well, cause it's also on the phone too.
0:46:48I'm like, it's not just an Apple watch, uh, thing. So I, so she's gonna,
0:46:52she's gonna let me know how it goes for her. Cause it's, you know, it's,
0:46:55it's something that you have to be aware of and this device,
0:47:00which is strapped to you all the time,
0:47:01which should be recognizing your health changes,
0:47:04it should have these things in it as well. You know,
0:47:07they should have really did this before they did the breathing app.
0:47:10Yes. It's,
0:47:11it is embarrassing for Apple that took them
0:47:15six revisions of the software to add this.
0:47:17It should have been here much earlier.
0:47:19- It was nice to have her insight about it.
0:47:20- Adina is the head of my wife who uses emojis
0:47:22on her calendar for various stages of things.
0:47:25- Look, as long as you have a system.
0:47:27- She knows.
0:47:28- That's so good.
0:47:30- Yeah, sometimes I like going to the counter like,
0:47:31oh, there's a frowny face.
0:47:33Yeah, so watchOS 6, I think it's gonna be a nice update.
0:47:38It is available for series three and four currently.
0:47:43It will run on series one and two.
0:47:45- But not zero.
0:47:46- But yeah, zero, it didn't even get watch, it was five.
0:47:48Zero's been dead for a while.
0:47:50But series one and two will get the update soon.
0:47:55So they have committed to doing it.
0:47:57I'd imagine that's a performance issue, right?
0:47:58Like it's just not doing what they want it to do yet.
0:48:01So, and I would say from like a buying perspective,
0:48:05if you're on a series one or two,
0:48:07Now's a pretty good time to upgrade if you're looking for a new Apple Watch.
0:48:11The Series 4 is great.
0:48:14I really like mine, even though I don't wear it every day.
0:48:16It's a fantastic piece of hardware.
0:48:17The Series 5 makes all the best things about it better.
0:48:20So if you're on an older Apple Watch and you're considering
0:48:24is this the time to update or not? I would say that it probably is.
0:48:26Yep. And I want to see what the finishes look like.
0:48:32Yes. And we're going to go see him in store on Friday.
0:48:35Do you think they'll have them? They should do, right?
0:48:37they'll be out. Alright we're gonna talk some more about Apple stuff. Oh really?
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0:51:01I thought we could talk about the devices we've had the last year and how we have felt
0:51:07about them.
0:51:08So we're borrowing from ATP.
0:51:10They I think Marco created the idea of the iPhone X interview.
0:51:13Yeah, we're just doing that.
0:51:14A couple years ago, we're just stealing from them.
0:51:16So we're going to do that.
0:51:17We're just doing that.
0:51:18Yeah.
0:51:19My past year was a journey.
0:51:21If listeners will remember, I started with the XS Max.
0:51:24So I was a plus phone user.
0:51:26You got me into the plus club back in the day.
0:51:29And so when there was a bigger iPhone 10, I was like, "Hey, yeah, let's do it.
0:51:33Let's go big."
0:51:34Or go home, right?
0:51:35Go big or go home.
0:51:38And honestly, the Macs didn't sit super well with me.
0:51:41A little too big for what I wanted.
0:51:44And I ended up with the iPhone XR, really to review it because it was the most popular
0:51:49phone.
0:51:50I think you did that.
0:51:51I had a blue one and then ended up at the end of the day selling my Macs to a family
0:51:56member and ending up with the iPhone XS. This is all by like mid-January. So I've
0:52:01been on the XS for this year and I like the size a lot. Like I said earlier, the
0:52:07battery life on the XS isn't as good as it could be. I think the X suffer from that
0:52:13too a little bit. The Max is about the same as the X. Old phones by the time you're ready.
0:52:17I'm saying even my phone's only nine months old so it's not my battery health
0:52:21is still like 99%. So it's not that it's aging, it's that even from the beginning
0:52:26it wasn't as good as the Max and definitely not as good as the XR and
0:52:29So I'm excited about the four additional hours I will get
0:52:32But other thing that I haven't been in love with is the smart HDR in Federico and I have both spoken about this
0:52:38I have it off on my phone because the smart HDR on the XS
0:52:41Works too hard. It does it tries to bring up shadows too aggressively. It smooths
0:52:46Things way too much because it's it's noisier than I'd like it to be and it tries to overcompensate
0:52:51The XR takes good pictures
0:52:54But I haven't been there there haven't been many pictures I've taken with it where I thought I'm in love with this
0:53:00straight off the camera and
0:53:03I'm hopeful the 11 Pro will be able to fix that for me because
0:53:07So far at least and what people have said the 11 Pro seems awesome from the camera perspective
0:53:12So those are my two downsides, but I've got to say
0:53:16Even with those being true the XS has been a really good phone. Like I've been happy with
0:53:23its performance in particular, it is never slow, you know, Apple has so much
0:53:29headroom on these processors now it's just it's just bonkers and I've been
0:53:33happy with the the iPhone X as a concept from the beginning. I've liked the
0:53:38gestures and everything they've been doing even though control center is in
0:53:40the wrong place. I feel like this path is a good one and while the XS had some
0:53:45flaws, still a solid three and a half to four stars out of five for me.
0:53:51It's an exit interview with a star rating.
0:53:54I don't think that's how that...
0:53:55I haven't had a job in a while.
0:53:56I don't remember.
0:53:57What about you?
0:53:58Um, I'm still happy with the size.
0:54:00That's what I want.
0:54:01Have a phone.
0:54:02The Max?
0:54:03Max, yeah.
0:54:04I like the bigger size.
0:54:06I think that it works well for me.
0:54:07I like just having bigger screens where I can have them.
0:54:10It's not so big that it's a problem.
0:54:12I think that they struck a good level.
0:54:14I still would want the Max phone to get some additional features that account for the fact
0:54:19that it's bigger and more expensive as opposed to just the screen like the
0:54:23plus phones used to but I also understand my Apple doesn't want to do
0:54:26yeah I think that's that's not their their plan anymore right this year in
0:54:30particular changing the names but at least I get more battery so yeah because
0:54:34you'll get an additional five over the four that I'll get so an extra hour is
0:54:38great my battery has gotten worse over time as they always do what's your
0:54:42battery health and settings? 95% okay so I don't feel like that that like gives a
0:54:51full picture for what's going on because it says my battery is currently
0:54:56supporting normal peak performance but batteries just get worse over time I
0:55:00don't know what that is I don't know if it's in my brain or if it's true but
0:55:03that's how it feels but I use the battery case now when I travel and I'm
0:55:06happy about that there won't be a battery case available for a bit I don't
0:55:10the win. I don't think they're gonna do it because they didn't do one for the
0:55:14XR and now the pros have similar levels of battery life. I think they feel like
0:55:20it is acceptable. Now you may have to go third party but I don't know if we're
0:55:24gonna see one from Apple or not. They better do it because I'm mad about it.
0:55:27Because I like having a battery case now for when I travel so like I get over a
0:55:32day. Oh yeah the battery case is great. Right so that's what I want but the I'm
0:55:37not worried about it for the time being. Real-time follow-up. Okay. There was an
0:55:42iPhone XR smart battery case. Okay. So I regret the error. Yes. So I think the door
0:55:47could be open. I wish I wasn't. Mine's on my desk, the battery case. It's great
0:55:52especially when you travel. I don't use it day to day. Do you use it every day?
0:55:55No. Just when you travel? Just when I travel. Just when I see you. Yeah. So from my point
0:55:59of view, use it 100% of the time. I love when I take this off because my phone
0:56:03gets thin and light again. It's too big, too heavy. It's beefy with the better case. But I get what I need out of it which is that I never have to worry about
0:56:11charging it when I'm out and about all the time. So yesterday you had a 24-hour travel day. Yeah, I did charge it. Okay. I did charge it. Did you have to though? Or did you just do it because it was convenient?
0:56:20I think I wouldn't have been able to get away with it yesterday because I was
0:56:24watching videos and stuff when I was in the airport. I don't think I would
0:56:28have gotten away from it because it was more way more than usual use yesterday.
0:56:32but if I was just using it as I would normally use it then I probably would have gotten away with it.
0:56:36Especially if you put that thing in low power mode it's just like...
0:56:38It just goes down forever. I have continued to be frustrated with the
0:56:44regular cases covering the color of the phone so I'm really happy about the
0:56:48clear case because I feel like I'm buying... I'm choosing the color of my phone
0:56:53specifically like it's the color I want. I want to see that and using colored
0:56:59cases which I also understand I can change it whenever I want to sure but I
0:57:02want the option especially at first so I'm happy that the clear case revolution
0:57:08is upon us because you're gonna go gold is what you want that's the plan I've
0:57:12been getting some weird bugs recently on my phone messages locks up for like long
0:57:17periods of time and I've had this happen three times in the last month when my
0:57:21phone just turns itself off and will not come on I've had that twice with my
0:57:25iPhone XS and you have to like hard reboot it won't even do that yesterday I
0:57:28I was doing the whole like press one button press one button probably number 10 seconds would not do it
0:57:32I just wait until it came back on it sound again, which took yeah, and you know where I was in an airport
0:57:37This is why I always get paper boarding passes
0:57:40Because what would I have done? Yeah, we had arguing about this last time we flew together and it's proof for why I want
0:57:46In the airport and my phone wouldn't turn I've had my tenants do that
0:57:50Twice once on iOS 12 and once on the 13 beta. Mm-hmm
0:57:55The first time in Hampton I was running I was 12 I was in my truck
0:57:57Unplugged it from carplay and I was gonna go biking got the bike off the truck and picked my phone up to like start a podcast
0:58:04I was gonna listen to something
0:58:06It was like completely dead in the water and I couldn't remember how to force reset it like the dance you have to do with
0:58:12The side buttons and so I was with a friend of mine. I was like, hey, can you google? It's very embarrassing
0:58:17Can you google hard reset iPhone Xs and he's a nerd and he he's listening
0:58:22What is it like volume up volume down hold for like 10 seconds? I don't know
0:58:26I have to look at every time but then I do the other way around as well as that doesn't work
0:58:30Yeah, so you say my bacon but uh, it's a real pain when that happens
0:58:34I don't that worries me, but the tennis that you've had it to maybe there's something going on
0:58:39maybe I'm I don't know maybe just flakiness but
0:58:41probably a bug in 12
0:58:44But I've had in 13 once as well. Okay, but 13 is also the beta has not been who knows who knows? Yeah
0:58:50It's not been bad enough where I've thought I need to have this phone like serviced
0:58:54Like I don't think something's wrong with it, but I just kind of kept my eye on it. Yep. I
0:59:00Still like smart HDR. I'm a true believer
0:59:03I'm not one of these people that's now jumping on the small HDR socks bandwagon because a few people said I'm not saying you said
0:59:08That we said you said we said it a long time ago
0:59:11I didn't say you said that we like a whole conversation on this show going back between where Federico was really upset about it
0:59:17You didn't like it and I loved it.
0:59:19You're smart HDR denier hipsters.
0:59:21I still like smart HDR and I like what that did to my images.
0:59:27And I like the images I've seen of new cameras where they've made
0:59:29improvements to smart HDR.
0:59:31So I'm cool with that, right?
0:59:32Like I liked it and now it's going to get better.
0:59:34This screen on my phone is incredibly scratched up and I've never had that
0:59:38before.
0:59:39Did your 10 scratch?
0:59:40No.
0:59:40My 10 scratched really badly and the 10s has been better, but definitely
0:59:45still has some light scratches.
0:59:47but the stainless steel ring is like destroyed.
0:59:49- Let me show you this thing.
0:59:50Let me show you this thing.
0:59:51See that, it's like a big scratch across the middle.
0:59:53- Oh, oh no.
0:59:54- And I have a bunch up in the corner.
0:59:54- Oh, that's sad.
0:59:55- Adina has like a gouge in hers.
0:59:57- That is like edge to edge.
0:59:58- Yeah, it went all the way across the middle.
1:00:00- This phone is enormous.
1:00:01- It's big.
1:00:02It's extra big when it's got the case on it.
1:00:04- Oh yeah.
1:00:05- It's a big boy.
1:00:06- It's like you're handing me a watermelon.
1:00:07- Yeah, it is.
1:00:08- Here you go.
1:00:09- It's a big boy.
1:00:09He's, you know, he's traveling.
1:00:11puts a bit of extra weight on when he travels like all of us. So you come to America you
1:00:15leave it a little bit bigger than when you left. So where do you, how do you give it
1:00:20on the 5 star thing that I made up? 4. Pretty good? Yeah. Do you feel like it is, what they're
1:00:29doing with the 11 Pro like fits with what you would want out of a new phone? Yep. Okay.
1:00:34More battery, better camera, faster. That is what... Clear cases. Clear cases. But that's
1:00:40the thing though click it but I mean that's what I'm looking for right like
1:00:43I'm gonna upgrade anyway right because that's just what my life is sure I would
1:00:49have wanted to upgrade like I think neil I Patel said this and I can understand
1:00:55it it's like this is the first time in a long time where he recommends the year
1:01:00of a year upgrade because the changes are that good I think the last time I
1:01:04felt that was maybe the seven to the ten but it was such a huge price jump it was
1:01:09hard to talk people into it. The year of a year upgrade hasn't made sense since...
1:01:15Usually it doesn't. Six or 6S? They broke that around six. Yeah. And I think even honestly the two year
1:01:22cycles broke in two. Because look, Apple's on a three year cycle now with these designs.
1:01:26Their naming hasn't caught up with that because the 6, the 6S and the 7 are all very similar.
1:01:31Even the 8 is close behind that in terms of design. But isn't it kind of funny that they've
1:01:37just gone back to the number. I was thinking about this when I was looking on their website
1:01:41a couple of days ago. They've just gone back to the number.
1:01:44Oh, the Roman numerals just gone? Well, two years of Roman numerals. I don't think they
1:01:47were ever going to do the... No, they weren't ever, but it's just kind of funny where it's
1:01:51like, we'll pretend, let's just pretend that that never happened, shall we? Yeah. And I
1:01:55wonder too, if they didn't have Mac OS X, if the iPhone may have just been iPhone 1-0,
1:02:00but they like the X as their branding. Isn't the names of Logic and Final Cut like that?
1:02:05They as a company like X as 10 and they just couldn't help themselves.
1:02:10But like they also shot themselves in the foot with it.
1:02:13There was a dead end.
1:02:14Well because it's like what we were talking about with now how they're trying to flip
1:02:18it right with the iPhone 11 right like the iPhone 8 is the forgotten iPhone.
1:02:24It is.
1:02:25Who remembers anything about that phone?
1:02:26It's a good phone.
1:02:28Mary has one, my wife has one.
1:02:29It's an iPhone 10 inside.
1:02:30They still sell it.
1:02:31yeah, with the camera. And if you want touch ID, it's your last option. Although there's a rumor,
1:02:36do you see this that there was a rumor for an iPhone se early next year, based on the eight.
1:02:41So you know, like, you did that with the five s and the size went away and they bought it. So
1:02:45there may be hope still, but if you like that size, but $449 starts out now. It's a good deal.
1:02:53It's 64 gigabytes. So I think if you are on say you're on an iPhone six s or seven, I think if
1:03:00if you're going to buy a phone this year for the holiday season,
1:03:03the 10 R is a good deal now.
1:03:06Five ninety nine five ninety nine.
1:03:08But honestly, I think the eleven if you if you're really coming from a success,
1:03:11if you hold your phone that long, I'd say just do the eleven.
1:03:15Yeah, I if you can afford it, it is expensive. But
1:03:19it's like one of those things.
1:03:21If you go into six hundred, can you go to seven? Right.
1:03:25And for a lot of people, it's not going to be possible.
1:03:29But for a lot of people, if you've gotten that far, try and go that extra.
1:03:35You know, maybe you have a phone you can trade in.
1:03:36Apple loves a trade in and you can maybe get something for it.
1:03:40But but yeah, I'm going to be selling my phone's going to be moving on in the family.
1:03:45I will put it through Apple Care, though, get one of the because I have Apple Care on this phone.
1:03:50That screen needs to be replaced. It's covered in scratches.
1:03:53I it's within my right to change it for like 50 pounds or whatever.
1:03:57So I'm gonna do that and then then hand it over to a family member
1:04:01The tennis is the first phone a while. I haven't broken. I never broke a tennis. You wanna do it now. No
1:04:06Put on YouTube channel that happened with the you should we could make a viral video
1:04:13So like you go into the Apple store
1:04:15You pick up your new one and you just throw it on one on the ground that's been done about doesn't matter
1:04:19You can do it though. It's been three years since I've had a viral video
1:04:25- His Gate, is it still on your YouTube channel?
1:04:27- It is.
1:04:28It is still there.
1:04:30- You're still trying to rake in the ad revenue on it?
1:04:32- It was too short for an ads on.
1:04:34It was like 17 seconds or something.
1:04:35- You just, oh, you don't wanna lose the stats?
1:04:37What is it, why'd you keep it there?
1:04:39You just, you know, it's not the kind of person
1:04:40that would remove something?
1:04:42- Pretty much.
1:04:42- 1.6 million views.
1:04:44- Mm, that's what'll be on my tombstone.
1:04:47Are you watching the His Gate video?
1:04:48- Yeah.
1:04:49- I was saying with my 7 Plus,
1:04:51I broke a 7 Plus when my iPhone 10 was like in the mail to me.
1:04:56That was really disappointing.
1:04:58When you have to go to the Apple store
1:04:59and have your phone's gonna be placed
1:05:01the day before the new iPhone comes out.
1:05:03- Why'd you do it?
1:05:04- It's really depressing.
1:05:04It was like destroyed.
1:05:07And the 7 Plus was going to someone in the family.
1:05:11- Right.
1:05:12- And I didn't wanna hand it to them and be like,
1:05:13here's your new phone, I smashed it to pieces.
1:05:16I wanted to have them to have a fresh start.
1:05:19- Okay.
1:05:20- Phone's still floating around in the family, still going.
1:05:23So I feel like we've both been pretty happy with the XS,
1:05:27but I feel like the 11 is gonna just make things better.
1:05:31- I'm sure the 11 will still get four.
1:05:33- It's, oh, there's nothing so perfect.
1:05:36- Yeah.
1:05:37- I'm really excited.
1:05:38I'm more excited about this phone than I was the XS.
1:05:40I mean, the last time I was as excited about a phone
1:05:43was the X and then probably,
1:05:45I mean, the 7 Plus was the first one with two cameras,
1:05:49But like, you know, the success plus is like, OK, cool.
1:05:52It won't be slow because it's very slow.
1:05:54The six plus was awful.
1:05:55No had a gigabyte of RAM and it was just really, really slow.
1:05:59Maybe wasn't it the first one?
1:06:01Yeah, but like we didn't notice it at the time because we were blown away.
1:06:04But as soon as you get the success plus, you're like, oh, yeah.
1:06:07Oh, yeah. You know, like I remember towards the end,
1:06:09like when you pull down on a notification, it was like you'd have to wait.
1:06:12You just wait for everything to load.
1:06:14It's like there's a little man in there, like cranking the notification
1:06:16- Oh man, that got real bad.
1:06:18- Uh-huh.
1:06:19That phone was a little underwhelming.
1:06:22- No, it wasn't underwhelming, it was amazing.
1:06:24- Underpowered. - It was underpowered.
1:06:26- It was a big phone, the first big phone.
1:06:28All right, we're gonna wrap up talking
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1:06:32because it's out, question mark?
1:06:34It's kind of available.
1:06:36- It's available, you can get it.
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1:08:22of this show and Relay FM. Tell us about Apple Arcade. It launched to the surprise of everybody.
1:08:29So Apple Arcade was supposed to be launching on Thursday the 19th of tomorrow, but a couple of
1:08:35days ago it just appeared if you were running 13.1 on any device so it's available on the iPad if
1:08:42you're running it on the iPad which it was unsure if we were going to have to wait until like iPad
1:08:48OS officially shipped before Apple Arcade would be available but it is now you can go get it you
1:08:55sign up for $9.99 a month and the breadth of games available for this service currently is incredible
1:09:04It was kind of funny in a way. Developers did not know this was going to be happening.
1:09:11So Apple Arcade developers, I follow a lot of Apple Arcade companies that are making games for
1:09:16Apple Arcade on Twitter just because there's a lot of game makers that I'm interested in and
1:09:21have been interested in on Apple collection for years that are making games for this service.
1:09:25It was funny to watch them kind of reacting. I downloaded I think 45 games that I'm legitimately
1:09:34interested in trying. Holy moly. So that kind of shows the level. There are still games
1:09:40appearing on the service. So since the initial launch, there have been more games added and
1:09:46I haven't yet been able to go in and look at some of the more games that have been added
1:09:51because I still have so many that I want to just get through. And there's been a couple
1:09:54where I've opened them up, I've played them a little bit and I'm like, this one isn't
1:09:57for me. But I don't care because I'm finding games that I'm really enjoying. So I want
1:10:02to give you a couple of highlights of the games I've played so far. So Assemble with
1:10:06Care, this game was originally called Repair. It is from us two games who you may know from
1:10:11creating Monument Valley. It is a game that has Knolling involved which is, I know you
1:10:17love, which is the idea where you're taking things out and placing them down. You're basically
1:10:21repairing things and there's a big story element to the game as well. So the title character
1:10:27Maria she is a she fixes stuff and so you're fixing stuff so you unscrew things you would
1:10:32love this game I'm installing it right now because it's a game to repairing so if I've
1:10:36played all these games on my iPad by the way obviously not on my iPhone yet another game
1:10:41that I've been enjoying is card of darkness which is from Zach Gage who is responsible
1:10:46for many of my favorite iOS games of all time like flip-flop solitaire for example he worked
1:10:53with the creator of adventure time to create this game.
1:10:57card of darkness is fun but really very difficult but I've been playing that and I've liked
1:11:02that a lot.
1:11:03sayonara wild hearts is unbelievable.
1:11:08this was the game that they showed, it was the third demo that they showed from anapunar
1:11:12interactive.
1:11:13I blacked out during the second one.
1:11:14it is a part fighting part rhythm game.
1:11:18the music is incredible.
1:11:21John Syracuse is losing his mind over this game, so if you like John's thoughts on these
1:11:26types of things, which he should because he's very good at this stuff, he can pick good
1:11:30games, this is one of them. It is absolutely fantastic.
1:11:34I've also put some time into Skate City which is a game that I've been wanting to play for
1:11:38years. Yeah, I've been playing that.
1:11:39It is published by the company behind the Altos Odyssey and Altos Adventures.
1:11:43It's beautiful. So it's, I'm really excited to put more time
1:11:48into this. Skate City feels like it will be more at home on my iPhone than my iPad.
1:11:52It's a, yeah, I've played it on both and it's much better on the phone.
1:11:56Yeah, so I haven't been able to do that yet, so I'm looking forward to that. But there's still
1:12:00a bunch of other games that I'm excited to try out. Overland is a game that I've had my eye on
1:12:04for a while, it's just come out for the Switch too. I actually played Overland at XOXO in like
1:12:092016 or something. What the Golf is a game that ever, I've, this is my next game to try out.
1:12:16This is a game that I've seen many people say is making them laugh out loud.
1:12:21It is golf where, like, so for example, one of the parts of the trailer is you are pulling
1:12:28to flick the golf club, right?
1:12:31And as you strike, it's actually the person that flies the golf ball.
1:12:35So there's like a bunch of other stuff.
1:12:37There's lots and lots and lots of games.
1:12:40I said this before, it was my expectation, and now I've seen the breadth of games available.
1:12:46This is the best value for money of any subscription service that Apple offers.
1:12:51I can't believe it's only $5 a month.
1:12:57They have definitely exceeded my expectations with the types of games that they have available.
1:13:03They have a really good spread of weird indie games that wouldn't make sense or wouldn't
1:13:10make money, right? It will be difficult to make money to very deep games from a mini motorways
1:13:17is another one. If you play mini Metro, it's a sequel to mini Metro.
1:13:20I've been playing that. It's great.
1:13:22So like they have a very interesting spread of the types of games and the types of companies.
1:13:29If they keep this up, gaming on iOS has completely changed. If they're able to maintain this,
1:13:37They have fixed the model, they fixed it, from the IAP focused games to this.
1:13:43Now it is unknown at the moment exactly what the deals are for these companies.
1:13:51For as much as I've been able to put together from second hand people muttering things to
1:13:55me and people that I know that are smart in this industry who think they can work out
1:14:01what's going on, it seems a lot like Apple is just paying upfront money to companies
1:14:06to build games for them. It is unknown what that's going to look like going into the future
1:14:11if they're going to keep doing that. Or if they're going to start moving to... for as
1:14:15much as I'm able to understand, they are not doing what people thought they were, which
1:14:20was the amount of time played in a game means how much money you're going to make. It seems
1:14:24like that there is a pretty set fee for a lot of companies. But this might just be of
1:14:30the people that I've known, that's what they're dealing with. Maybe if you're a smaller developer,
1:14:35don't get that but Apple are the publisher of these games it's why the
1:14:38Apple Arcade logo shows up before anything else right they are fronting
1:14:42the money for companies to make these games it is unknown what this is gonna
1:14:46look like going forward Apple isn't talking about it obviously the
1:14:49developers can't talk about it we'll see but for as much as I've been able to
1:14:55piece together it seems like the companies that have been offered this
1:14:59deal they all wanted to do it because it was a good deal I think Apple if anything
1:15:06they're gonna have to work harder at that over time if they want to keep the
1:15:09pace up of new games every month but I imagine that they get in more pitches
1:15:16than they can handle right now yeah probably but I think in the long term I
1:15:20would imagine that they'll be fitting the bill for quite some time yeah but I
1:15:24I am very, very, very excited about digging into more and more of these games as time
1:15:30goes on.
1:15:31And it's now going to be the only place I'm looking for new games.
1:15:37So I always spend time looking for games on the App Store, right?
1:15:40Because I love games on iOS.
1:15:43I will now be going first to the Apple Arcade tab.
1:15:46Yeah, because any other game is either going to be pay up front or it's going to nag you
1:15:53to death.
1:15:54economics it's because I'm already paying for this service so I may as well
1:15:57go there first because in theory I already own these games I've paid for
1:16:01these games I have noticed something which is frustrating to me I have on my
1:16:05iPads the setting turned on to download apps automatically does not work with
1:16:10Apple Arcade right now on the 13.1 beta what if you download it on one device
1:16:14it's on that one device it doesn't download to the other device hmm did you
1:16:17see Game Centers leaning into Memoji did you get presented that yes yeah it's
1:16:22like we right that's like that's how you create your icon for the switch. I forgot Game Center was still around.
1:16:27Yeah I think Game Center is important for this there's a lot I've noticed a lot of games have
1:16:31achievements which is funny. Yeah and I played one called Agent Intercept mm-hmm car racing type game
1:16:40and they only unlock new levels every set number of hours and I just instantly got frustrated with
1:16:46that and like took it off because if I'm like into a game I want to keep playing it. Wait what? So like
1:16:51you could play level one and level two would be unlocked in five hours.
1:16:54Why? It's dumb, it's a bad decision because... Is it part of the game mechanic? Not that I can tell,
1:17:00like it's not like the thing happens five hours later in the game. They want you to keep coming
1:17:04back, want to send me push notifications, I was like this is not what I want from this. So this
1:17:08is, so I've seen a few games like this. If I'm into something, as someone who doesn't play mobile
1:17:15games hardly at all, I was actually into it, I want to keep going and then I couldn't for three
1:17:19hours like well forget this. That is really weird I mean I've seen some of
1:17:25this though where there are games that were clearly made for the in-app
1:17:29purchase idea that have been brought over to Apple Arcade. This may have been that. And that they are
1:17:35basically they are being retrofit so like the Frogger game was obvious right
1:17:44like I spoke about this a couple of weeks ago if you have costumes for a
1:17:47character in a game you're supposed to buy the costume yep so there is some
1:17:51stuff like this where there's like these remnants of a previous business model
1:17:55that one is particularly weird I have that game downloaded I want to see what
1:17:59is going on with that because that's very off-putting it is because why yeah if
1:18:04there was a reason like there could be a legitimate gameplay reason to do this
1:18:09where it's like they're trying to make it feel more immersive right so it's
1:18:12like oh you have to come back during these hours to complete the mission
1:18:15Right? Like there are games that do stuff like that and it can be a thing.
1:18:18But if it's just like, no, we're on looking for out why I already own you.
1:18:22Give me the levels. Exactly.
1:18:24So, yeah, all in all, I think Apple Arcade is off to a really good start.
1:18:29I really think it's going to be, but it will be popular.
1:18:33Almost by default, because it's a tab in the app store,
1:18:37which is a big deal and with a 30 day free trial and it's five dollars a month.
1:18:42and if you have iCloud family sharing turn like we do,
1:18:46my spouse and children can play it too,
1:18:49I think this is going to be a big hit. And so far,
1:18:53even as someone who doesn't play a lot of games, I'm impressed.
1:18:56And I've gone back through today looking for new things and a couple types of
1:18:59games I would like to have that aren't there yet.
1:19:02I'm excited. I did not expect to be so enthusiastic about this.
1:19:05Good, I'm pleased because that's the point, right? That's what they
1:19:09need to be doing is if they can capture people like you, it
1:19:12It will help them try and change the economics of gaming in the App Store a bit.
1:19:17Yep.
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